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episode number 204. Virtual club meetings for
social distancing for recorded live on Thursday,
March 19th, 2020. I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9
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which is what we're talking about tonight. And
my guest tonight is Matt Bonadies, KB9YOJ. He
lives in Ellitsville, Indiana and is a wireless
network engineer. for Indiana University. He
is the president and founder of the Southern
Indiana Amateur Radio Association. Matt's interests
include DX, APRS, PSK 31, Arden Mesh Networks,
VHF Digital Modes and Rag Chewing. He is the
proud father of two harmonics and an avid fisherman.
So Matt, welcome to HamTalk Live. Hi, Neil. Glad
to be here tonight. Well, this whole social distancing
thing is something that's created a lot of changes
and a lot of chaos out there and I think we're
all sick of hearing about it, but every day there's
more and more restrictions that are put on everyday
life and it's important that we find a way to
Connect with each other without spreading this
virus and ham radio is one way to do that because
The virus doesn't go through The ionosphere so
right so at least that we know of now if that
happens we're in big trouble but There's some
ways to kind of connect with each other and still
have some social interaction without the, you
know, physical connection. And that's what we're
going to talk about tonight. And you were one
of the first. I know there are many others that
are doing the same thing now. And we'll talk
about a couple of those here in a little bit,
but with the Southern Indiana Amateur Radio Association
or Sierra. You made a call to cancel all club
activities and all the get togethers and everything.
And then you came up with an idea of what could
take the place of some of that. So tell us a
little bit about that decision to cancel the
in -person meetings and doing a virtual club
meeting. Sure. Well, you know, along with everyone,
we were paying attention to what was going around
in the world and just trying to keep abreast
of the situation locally. And I get I get a lot
of feedback and information updates. through
work, you know, we're always being prompted from
emergency coordinators on the situation. And
I just felt like it was kind of escalating to
a point where I felt it was necessary to, you
know, stop the meetings face to face. But, you
know, I didn't want to just completely end the
meetings When we have powerful technology like
like Skype or what we use is zoom and You know
and try to provide a face -to -face meeting option
for members and local hams But still give it
kind of a ham radio twist In Bloomington, you
know for the last 40 years We've been able to
utilize a really great VHF Ares repeater that's
owned and operated by the Monroe County Repeater
Association. It's really the main frequency that
everyone uses around here. And my thought was
to do a Zoom meeting and give people an opportunity
to see each other, but use the repeater just
for audio and then kind of format it as a...
as a net. So this gathering online and on the
repeater is going to take the place of some of
the club meeting stuff. And so why, why did you
go to the video conferencing along with the local
repeater? Why are you, why are you tying the
video with the repeater audio. Well, you know,
it it's kind of a psychological thing as well
as being able to play with radio at the same
time. You know, so we'll be able to see each
other. However, we won't be able to be in the
same room together, but we'll still be able to
see each other on the screen, see what we look
like. Make sure you get that. Almost it's a closer
connection than just two -way radio. So we'll
have Just an opportunity to see each other when
we all feel isolated And you know Sierra in the
past we've only been a club for just under two
years now But you know since the beginning of
our club we've used this method for just regular
club meetings. We hosted Bob Heil and Ward Silver
online. It was a lot easier for those guys to
call in from wherever they were to our meetings
and then present to us. Nobody had to travel
anyway, so there was a little bit of cost savings
in it. Plus, we got a chance to talk to you.
these really great guys in the hobby, influential
guys. Plus it kind of dawned on me, I was like,
hey, this is like fast scan TV, but without the
video equipment. So put all that together, we'll
get to do something different. It'll get the
members a bit of a challenge to navigate the
technology online by using the video. along with
throwing in a VHF radio net in the mix. So just
something a little different. So what gave you
the idea of doing this? How did that happen?
Necessity. You know, I didn't want to quit. I
really didn't want to quit the meetings completely.
I felt bad about the situation. And I said, you
know, we can be flexible here. We're going to
adjust. We're going to write it out and do this
for the next few months until people do what
we need to do to take care of the COVID -19 outbreak.
We're still going to be able to be social. So
that's the main part is still getting on the
radio to use our frequencies, which are always
under threat. and utilize the technology that
we have at our fingertips. I mean, we can do
this on our iPhone if we want to. The app is
free. You just need an internet connection to
download it and boom, you're on. So, you know,
the flexibility, doing something useful, helping
each other out if we can. and just taking our
mind off of the incredible situation that's unfolding
right now. The social distance thing is no stranger
to AM radio operators because a lot of times
we're talking to people around the world that
we'll never meet and never see and so the zoom
video kind of adds that visual component. It's
not the same as in person, but it does make a
closer connection. I agree. It should just help
to do something different. That's really what
I want to stress. Doing something different,
something that hasn't been done yet in this area
at least. And maybe this is how we do ham radio
meetings from now on. I don't know. We'll see.
This is kind of an experiment for us right now,
just to try it for fun, see how we like it, make
adjustments, and do something a little bit different
than, you know, rather than the classic ham radio
meeting. So this is an idea that any ham radio
club out there, any local club, any, or, or regional
or national for that matter, uh, can, can do.
So any, I know the first one is actually tomorrow.
So, uh, we'll give it a shot tomorrow, but, but
any advice for, for setting this up, um, and
having other clubs around the country or the
world do this? Uh, I guess, um, I guess the advice
I could give, however I haven't done the net
yet, is to just give it a shot. See what you
like about it, what you don't like about it.
If it's not what the club wants to do, let them
decide on the format. Or just do it totally online
or just take your meeting to a VHF repeater.
It can be a simplex net, you know Meeting in
person is is part of the fun of ham radio, but
using the radio is why we do the hobby so You
know just give it a shot try it out and see if
See if it works for you if it doesn't Adjust
and make it so it's fun I think anything that
we can do to Not feel quite so isolated while
we're in isolation is a good thing and I think
that's something that a lot of clubs are gonna
have to look at and and You know you work at
Indiana University. I'm a high school teacher.
We both know that you know, suddenly the education
world has had to be totally online and online
education is not something that's new but it's
new for a majority of full -time teachers and
professors and it's really upended the way classes
are held and and there's even discussion you
know within the ham radio world of of testing
and will there be remote testing opportunities
and you know how are we going to deal with that
and that's a whole other subject for a whole
other night but there's all of a sudden this
big switch over to having to do things virtually
or not at all and like you said it was out of
necessity. Necessity often inspires all kinds
of creative solutions, and this is one of them.
Necessity, trying to be positive about it. I
keep saying, when life gives you lemons, make
lemonade. So this is our lemonade moment, I guess,
for the Ham Radio Club leadership. around the
country and the world. This is a world issue
right now. So, you know, and we can take advice
as ham radio club leaders from educators, you
know, who have been doing this, maybe more practiced
at it, how to get groups together to pay attention,
to be interactive. and try to continue on with
a club that is all of a sudden virtual. Now,
Zoom has a is a free membership. You can you
can sign up for free to host. You do have to
have a paid account if you have more than three
people and it goes over 40 minutes. So There
is that time limit there that is imposed, but
you can still do a typical net is supposed to
be 15 minutes. This will probably be longer than
that because it's more of a meeting than an official
net, but you can do that if you don't have the...
the facilities do that. I had hoped to have a
little more information tonight, but in the news
line chat today, Karen Eve Murray, our editor,
Katie to GT was talking about her club at Gray
South Bay amateur radio club in New York was
having their club meetings totally on zoom. and
that ARRL had some kind of provision for affiliated
clubs to to get the zoom membership so i did
not have a chance yeah i didn't either and i
have not had a chance and let me let me totally
emphasize this before thousands of people start
calling up a double rl headquarters and saying
hey can we get the uh i have not had a chance
to uh get all the details on that and verify
everything Um, so, you know, you may want to
be on the lookout for that. Uh, please don't,
don't flood a double RL with phone calls and
emails saying, Hey, I heard that you have this.
Cause I haven't been able to verify it, but,
um, but, um, she was mentioning that, that, um,
you know, she thought that, that they had some
kind of. uh, zoom account that was being able
to be used for some club meetings or at least
for theirs. So, um, again, again, please don't
take that and run with it and go, Oh my gosh,
this is, this is absolutely true because I have
not verified that. And normally before I would
introduce something like that, I would want to
go out and verify it and make sure that everything
is there. So please don't, uh, don't take that
as absolute truth. But if that's the case, I
mean, that that's another way that you can do
this and and get past the the 40 minutes, but
you can get 40 minutes for free. So sure. That
is that's another option. Yeah. And, you know,
Zoom is just one option. There's there's other
there's other ways to you could you could do
a podcast of a meeting sort of like the old news
line, which It's still going, but I remember
you listening to Newsline on repeaters 20 years
ago. You know, there's ways that you could do
a pre -recorded meeting. You could just keep
the meetings to the board, and then the members
can tune in online or get an email about it.
So there's many, many ways to do this. This is
just my... version of trying to adjust as we
start navigating through what we need to do in
the next couple months. And I've actually heard
from a couple of people who have already participated
in a couple of these kinds of things. I don't
know that it was quite the way that Sierra is
doing it. But they said, oh, you know, we didn't,
we didn't have some of these problems that we
normally have in our in -person meetings. And
so they were all on board. They kind of liked
the, the change up and felt like that they were
a little more efficient and didn't have some
of the issues that they normally do. So There
are pros and cons to this. Obviously, you know,
it's not going to have the connection that an
in -person meeting would have, but for the time
being, you know, when we're supposed to maintain
our social distance, which by the way, Julie
and I have decided that that's probably going
to be the the phrase of the year for 2020 social
distancing course. Um, but when you have to do
that, um, it, you know, it creates a way to try
something new and try something different and,
and, and give it a shot. And so, you know, I
would encourage clubs out there to give this
a try because, um, this is a way that you can
do it. And the way Sierra is doing it is, you
know, you're still using ham radio. It's just,
you're adding a video component to it that maybe,
you know, not everyone has fast scan television.
Uh, but more people have a webcam. So, um, it
will facilitate it. Right. So that's, that's
some, um, some good stuff. And one other thing
I want to mention is because of all this virus
and social distancing stuff, the HamSci workshop
that was supposed to be at the University of
Scranton this weekend, in fact tomorrow and Saturday,
had to be cancelled because of all of this. And
quickly Nathaniel and his bunch came up with
a virtual option. So you can register and you
can actually attend this conference on zoom Tomorrow
Friday and Saturday and you can you can attend
virtually to the hamsai conference and that's
Kind of the cross between ham radio and citizen
science So there will be a lot of scientific
talks uh... that involve ham radio so if you
want to check that out go over to hamsai that's
h -a -m -s -c -i dot o -r -g hamsai dot org and
uh... you can register you do need to to register
still but it's free and uh... you can participate
in that uh... from the university of scranton
and dr nathaniel forsell w two n -a -f is hosting
that. So another way that you can get some interaction
with some hams while you're cooped up at home.
So just another way to do that. So what we want
to do is we want to get your input and your questions
and comments. So we're going to open up the phone
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Matt, um, while we're waiting to see if we have
some, some questions and comments here from the
peanut gallery, uh, let's let's, uh, Let's talk
about the role of ham radio clubs a little bit
and I know that in you know in founding the Southern
Indiana amateur radio association There were
some some real goals that you had and and the
group had to really improve the club member experience
Can you talk a little bit about? about the role
of Ham Radio Clubs and ways that we can make
those better? Sure. Boy. Yeah, well, when we
were founding the club, we really wanted to try
to bring back the old hands -on feel to the Ham
Radio Club, where, you know, there are hands
-on projects, getting out and putting up antennas,
the classic sense of the Elmer, the person who
guides you through the hobby. If you've got questions
or a specific challenge that we might be able
to help you out with, to try to be less of a
social group and more of a techie nerdy group.
You know, Hammer Radio was the original king
of hobbies, right? And they were back in the
early 1900s figuring all this stuff out. I wasn't
trying to get that nostalgic about it, but we
really felt that it was important to try to do
more hands -on activities. And then link them
in with all the newer stuff today like Raspberry
Pis, lots of computer programming and newer applications
that are online or something that you wouldn't
have seen 30 years ago. And there's ARIs and
emergency communications as well. And then, you
know, bringing in computer networking along with
some of the interests that I have. Of course,
I'm a, you know, my profession is networking.
But, you know, with one of the things that really
kind of got me excited was Arden and mesh networking
and being able to bring computer applications
to a network that's on ham radio allocations.
and the 2 .4 gigahertz band that we can just
play with and have fun with. So that was one
of the main goals. And then how do we attract
younger members? And we're still trying to figure
that stuff out. Like I say to the guys, well,
we're still new. We're a new club. We're only
almost two years old. And we had a lot of lofty
goals. We've got a pretty long list and I think
we're doing pretty good. We started out with
Field Day. That was our first official kind of
club get together in 2018. Yeah. And boy, it
was a lot of fun and we just all had a great
time. So, you know, to try to bring the all the
activities together with getting people together
who are techie and nerdy rather than just You
know cooking out on the grill or whatever and
all that stuff has its place You know, we like
to do that too. We like to be social too, but
we wanted to be more technical than anything
Yeah, I think that you know, there's a competitive
aspect and I know Um, you know, I'll get slammed
for saying it's not a contest. Um, but you know,
there is a competitive nature to it just because
there's a score. And so, um, you know, making
sure that, you know, the technical side is functioning
and working well and, and that you're able to,
you know, try to run the score up a little bit,
you know, is a good option there. It definitely
is. is a bit of an open house and a social thing
as the good folks at ARRL will tell you and we
are planning by the way our annual field day
question and answer session with Paul Bork and
the crew at ARRL. It's going to be a week earlier
this year because we have something else planned
for the Thursday before field day, hopefully,
if the virus thing settles down. But we will
have that here on HamTalk Live so you can ask
your questions about it. But, you know, it was
a chance to emphasize a little more about you
know the technical side of things and putting
those antennas up in the event of an emergency
and and how to get them not interfering with
each other and and how you can link the the logging
computers together so that you can communicate
between the different stations and all of those
things. It was a different take on that and it
was also a shared thing with the local school
radio clubs and just turned out to be a great
event. Well, if you have a question or a comment,
give us a call at 859 -982 -7373. We do have
a tweet. You can tweet us as well. It's at HamTalk
Live on Twitter. And Jacob KG7EQN has been a
frequent tweeter of late and he has some questions
for you, Matt. He says, have your meeting times
changed? How did you determine virtual meetings?
Are you using the existing in -person time that
you would normally have, you know, for your meeting
time? And wondered that with more people working
from home, would it be better to change the time
up a little bit? So can you address Jacob here?
Yeah. Okay, Jacob. Thanks for the question. You
know normally we we would meet the third Friday
in person at 6 p .m. Right after work and I got
to thinking about that. I'm like, you know, we're
all gonna be at home relaxing It's probably a
little bit better to push it out a couple more
hours. So yeah, we did I did change the time
to 8 o 'clock in the evening when everybody's
relaxed and maybe done with dinner and got off
the air with another scheduled QSO or something.
So we did change the meeting times. It was more
my decision than anyone else's. I just thought
8 o 'clock was a better time to do an evening
net. And you know the other nets in our local
area here they they they go Anywhere from 7 to
8 o 'clock in the evening when we do them here
So it it's about the same time for other nets.
So, you know I'll trying to keep trying to gather
other people's attention when they might be on
the air and You know after dinner, so I Hope
that answers your question. Yeah, so, you know,
I'm sure there's advantages to keeping it at
the same time to keep people remembering you
know and on the on the schedule but you know
I do think you know that that later is probably
better you know given the circumstances so I
think that's just something you may have to pull
your your members and pull your officers and
see what you think would work and And part of
this is adjusting and trying something new and,
and, and, you know, make some adjustments, um,
to the norm. Cause, uh, we are definitely not
in the norm right now. I've got, uh, two or three,
uh, major events that are, that are hanging by
a thread right now, because we don't know if
we're going to be able to have those in May and
in June. And it's, it's scary to be quite honest.
There's some major stuff going on and Hamvention
just, you know, announced this week finally that,
that they're not going to be able to meet. And,
and that's, you know, that's something I've looked
forward to and attended for. Oh my goodness 25
years straight now, I think and probably 30 or
35 total and and you know It's it's a shame because
that's where you you get to see a lot of the
people that you talk to and work with In ham
radio and it's not going to be there and and
some people have mentioned, you know Maybe we
ought to you know, get Dayton the Dayton bunch,
you know the idea of doing these virtual things
some of the forums and that kind of thing that
we could we could still do that weekend or whenever
you know To kind of get people together Yeah,
and you know with the role of eBay and other
the sites that allow you to sell things online,
maybe they could Maybe they could spin up a special
hamvention site for all the people that like
to scrounge around in the piles of stuff outside.
There's got to be a way to do it. The time is
now to think about what we can do to keep going,
but yet still stay safe. Yeah, and Troy w9kvr
says for the first time I didn't have a track
meet that weekend and Yeah, Troy we're gonna
get you there one of these days I'm telling you
well eight five nine nine eight two seven three
seven three is the number go ahead Matt I I was
just gonna mention I had the same sort of experience
with a cancellation I was scheduled to go to
the largest one of the largest international
wireless network engineer conventions In Las
Vegas at the end of next week, and I've been
wanting to go ever since I started wireless engineering
It's been like seven years and I had I finally
had the opportunity and then I got canceled Yeah
So maybe maybe next year Lot up in the air right
now, and I heard, you know, being the chemist,
as soon as I heard about chloroquine today, I
was like, oh, I know that. That could work. So
I'm holding out some hope that maybe that's going
to be a big game changer. we will see before
too long but that could could turn things around
here so hopefully this this won't keep going
on and on so 859 -982 -7373 we're gonna make
this the final call so if you want to give us
a call now is the time 859 -982 -7373 let me
check the tweet machine here again and see if
we have anything else and and I Guess we'll go
ahead and go through some of these and Matt's
probably already groaning that When I was when
I was on Twitter a while ago getting ready for
the show. I saw one of the the trending Hashtags
on Twitter was about social distancing and it
was with social distancing pickup lines. So here's
your, here's your social distancing humor for
the day. If you're tired about hearing about
all the. closures and cancellations and everything.
Maybe this will bring a smile to you. So here's
some social distancing pickup lines I saw. I
wash my hands even when there's no pandemic.
That might work. Baby, do you need toilet paper?
Because I can be your Prince Charmin. Want to
make plans we have to cancel? You smell so good,
is that Purell you're wearing? Alright, I want
one more. Without you in my life is as empty
as the toilet paper shelf at the supermarket.
There you go, social distancing. Pick up lines.
I'm not sure those will work on the local repeater
though. Yeah. Maybe we'll probably not. Yeah.
We won't get those on the air. We'll keep those
over here on the internet and then WTWW. So well,
Matt, thank you so much for coming on and talking
about this because I'm sure there's a lot of
clubs out there that really, uh, you know, they've
had to suddenly cancel everything and, and really
looking for a way to keep their members connected
and, and offering some, some things about radio.
And again, radio, you know, is, is, um, social
distancing, um, 24 seven. And it's a way to connect
people and Without the risk and so i thank you
for coming on and talking about it and sharing
a problem and good luck with with the net tomorrow
night yeah thank you and will keep you up to
date. Okay well thank you so much that is a wrap.
for this week's edition of HamTalk Live. I'd
like to thank my guest, Matt Bonadies, KB9YOJ
from the Southern Indiana Amateur Radio Association,
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