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everyone, it's time for HamTalk Live. It's episode
number 208, the story of a tour of the Begali
Key Factory, recorded live on Thursday, April
16th, 2020. I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG.
Thanks for tuning in to this episode of HamTalk
Live. Tonight we're joined by Dr. Jim Mara. N5HZ
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started with Jim tonight, talking about the Begali
Keys, I want to remind you that the Apollo 13
50th anniversary special event from the NASA
amateur radio clubs is ending tomorrow. And the
NASA clubs have been on the air since Saturday
and tomorrow is the last day. So if you want
to work them, you've got one more day. If you
work in one KSC from Kennedy Space Center, it's
likely to be on a satellite. And a shout out
to Kevin Zari, KK4YEL. who is operating in one
KSC from home with the pandemic going on. And
he's got this neat little box rigged up that
makes the Quindar tones. Now that's the little
that you always heard at the end. It's kind of
like a courtesy beep, but it's Not duplex, it's
simplex. But we used to hear that so much on
the Space Shuttle audio and the Apollo missions
and all that kind of thing. So I had a chance
to work him on AO -91 yesterday, actually, and
here is what it sounded like. I'm amazed how
there's all that static at the beginning and
you can hear that little Quindar tone. You can
hear it right through the static. A good example
of how CW gets through the static a whole lot
better than voices. So thanks to Kevin for that
and glad to get him in the log for the Apollo
13 50th anniversary special event. And again,
one more day. Get out there and work those NASA
clubs. Check the spotting clusters. They'll be
listed there. So get on and work that special
event. All right. Well, we're going to talk some
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Dr. Jim Mara, N5HZ, and he lives in Meadoway,
Louisiana and was first licensed in 1952 as WN3UEY,
and he was a Naval Reserve radio man in 1955.
Jim attended Penn State University and the Tulane
University School of Medicine. He was on active
duty with the US Navy Medical Corps from 1965
to 1967. He did his residency and fellowship
at the Tulane Charity Hospital in New Orleans
from 1967 to 1971. Then he was in private practice
of internal medicine, rheumatology, and rehabilitation
until his retirement in 2008. He's also a retired
captain of the U .S. Naval Reserve Medical Corps
and took a trip a few months ago to Italy and
toured the Begali Morse code key factory and
has some updates about how they're dealing with
the pandemic. And for some pictures, you can
see those on an episode of Ham Nation. It's number
429 back on November 20th. 2019 was when Jim
was on there and you can see some of the things
that we're going to talk about here on HamTalk
Live tonight. So Jim, welcome to the show. Thank
you, Neil. I appreciate being here. Yeah, you
had a very interesting picture show on there.
And since this is radio, we can't see all the
pictures. So We told everybody how to find those,
but we've got a lot of things to talk about tonight
in addition to what was on the Ham Nation show.
So you can get your visuals over there and we'll
get to answer some of the listeners' questions
and that kind of thing over here and we'll do
that. So first, just tell us about your trip
to Italy and your impressions of the Bagali factory.
Okay, okay. Well, in August of 2019, Lynn and
I did a trip to Northern Italy, six cities. And
our first stop was in Lake Garda, which happened
to be about 30 minutes from Brescia or Salatica,
where the Vigali factory is. And I thought, hmm,
this has got to happen. So it's a 30 minute drive.
So we took a couple of buses and a taxi and we
got there. So just as an orientation, the Lombardy
region is the cradle of Italian industry and
factories, Beretta gun company, fashions, weaving
materials, wines, other types of guns. It's also
the epicenter for this virus thing that's been
going on now. But as far as its productivity,
it's always been very productive and it's really
the breadbasket, at least for taxes, for Italy.
So we did our little trip there and got to the
outside of the factory and it was kind of underwhelming
looking at it. And then I realized it was for
safety reasons. And then there were dogs greeting
us, guard dogs. And so once we were recognized
and invited in, it was a totally different picture
inside their factory. It is just a wealth of
hobbies and construction work, family and social
life, food and wine. It's kind of like a second
home to them. And that's how we started our visit.
Well, tell us a little bit about how all this
production happens there at the factory. That
everything is just engineered to perfection.
Yes, it is. You know, I keep thinking about this.
And, you know, the bottom line that makes these
keys so special is Mr. Magali himself. He's such
an artisan and he just is a constant perfectionist
in everything that he does. He showed us our
first step when we walked in, he opened these
drawers up and there was all these designs and
drawings and prototypes of keys and they just
reworked these things and reworked them until
the mechanics is perfect. and it also has to
work under different conditions perfectly. For
example, we know the parts are like a heavy base,
it has levers, bearings, magnets, gold contacts,
and the outside is polished finished. So, and
even the magnets have to be matched to go into
the individual keys. And the beauty part of this
whole thing, the arty part of the whole thing,
in addition to on the outside, are these polished
finishes that I think some of the Sloan contractors
for some of the gun companies actually make these
and they fit them in there. The machinery is
very heavy duty in their rooms. When the drill
starts drilling, nothing moves but the drill.
The machines are just very, very heavy. I'm not
used to seeing that kind of thing. And they're
constantly recalibrated by Mr. Biggally, down
to the microns. He also has, we saw, a large
inventory of parts, so that there's also an inventory
of keys, but also parts. So everything is just
beautiful in these little cabinets and everything.
The Begali hands are on every step, right down
to the cardboard box that they send the keys
out to you and they're signed by Mr. Begali.
I mean, he's just a very credible man. He was
also the winner of the 2019 Hamvention Technical
Achievement Award, which sort of tells you how
other people think of him as well. Yeah and they
always make the trip to Hamvention and you can
check out some of the keys there and visit with
them and that's always an attraction over at
Hamvention. This year we won't have that luxury
but you had a chance to spend pretty much the
whole day there. Tell us a little bit about some
of the hospitality you were able to enjoy while
you were there as well. Oh my gosh, yes, I mean,
it was just, it was a wonderful day. We probably
got there around 10 .30 in the morning and like
I said, inside was just total Italian warmth
and congeniality. We sort of casually walked
around and saw a few things and then suddenly
the table was set. for aperitivo, which is wine,
cheese, bread. And so we sat down and had some
of that. And I'm not used to drinking wine at
10th or 11 o 'clock in the morning, but I did
it. Gratefully, I did it. And then his friend
Fabrizio came over, who's a high -speed telegrapher,
IK2 UIQ. And he was interesting to talk to. And
we thought, actually, we thought the aperitivo
was going to be our lunch. And we saw a few more
things as we walked around, the inventory, the
big machines that I just discussed and everything.
And so we saw his ham stations. He has a ham
station in there. And we saw his collection of
books and the book he wrote. And he showed us
some of the toys he makes, electronic. He likes
to build things. So we thought, well, we had
lunch now. I wonder what we're going to do next.
And then I wonder what we're doing next. And
suddenly, we were shuffled off to this wonderful
Italian restaurant for actually to have lunch.
And it was filled with industrial workers. The
food was delicious. I tried not to drink my wine
at the lunch and so then they wisely they said
well we're gonna drive you back to your hotel
and then we're gonna come pick you up I didn't
know whether the visit was over or not so he
said we're gonna drive you back to your hotel
now so that's nice okay we're ready to go but
we're coming back to pick you up so we went back
to our hotel and about, I don't know, six o 'clock
or so. They came back and picked us up, and we
went back to the factory. And Fabrizio, the friend
that I mentioned, his wife, Anna, was cooking
the whole time we were sleeping, I guess. And
she prepared dinner for us. And this was all
outside on tables under an umbrella. And we talked
all through the night. Mr. Mr. Begali started
reciting poetry. He writes poetry Recites poetry.
He does it in a Brescia accent so Lynn and I
can speak a little bit of Italian and I leaned
over here and I said, do you understand what
he's saying? And she said no Actually, we could
pick a little bit of So The hospitality was just
absolutely wonderful and I think it's something
that they share with anybody that's a ham radio
operator and that loves Morse code CW and keys.
I think they are really into a lot of pride in
their work and the appreciation that the public
gives them for their product. And they're equally
proud and happy to do all the service things
that are required. Well, it sounds like a great
trip and it's probably a good that you're not
there right now. So tell us what's going on right
now and how they're doing and what the status
of the factory is and all of that. Well, we've
stayed in touch mostly with emails and texts
and little holiday greetings and so forth and
I was concerned for them When this virus hit
because that pandemic is right in that Right
in their area the last thing that Bruna said
to me was That they've had no really life change
and they haven't gotten sick. That's the bottom
line of everything but The problems are that
they can't evaluate the damage to business at
this point in time and also the future of Taxes
are they going to be taxed more a business cost
going to be more they can only know that going
forward But they are going forward according
to what the government has told them May 3rd
Things are going to open up again in their in
their city So they will begin accepting orders
again, and they're open for production. They
will have the same quality goals as before. And
when I was there, and I think they keep a large
stock of parts, so they'll be able to hit the
ground running producing keys for any orders
that come in. The only thing that she did mention
was that maybe the engraving of the models the
deliveries might be a little slower but that
all remains to be seen. Okay well we're glad
that they are feeling well and safe and hopefully
this will all end soon and they can get back
to some sort of normal. It's just a rough time
in a lot of places and that is is one of the
rougher ones. So thank you for that update from
them. Well we're going to take a break here and
we're going to come back with Jim. We're going
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good evening. Welcome to am talk live Good evening,
Neil. Good evening. Jim. This is Brian kg5 gJT.
I Had a feeling that was you Brian. How are you?
I'm doing good Good, Jim. You're doing well.
I've got a couple of questions, though. Uh -oh.
Could you tell... You mentioned something earlier
about there were a lot of hobbies at the factory.
What were they? Did they have anything to do
with the factory or making things? Brian, you're
stealing my material, man. Oh, go ahead, Jim.
I told you. I told you it was a hard charger.
Well, Brian, at the factory, we saw some of his
books. He has a very large collection of books.
Somebody said 10 ,000. I'm not sure, but he used
to be an avid reader. And he showed us the one
book, which was the one of the Marconi operating
manuals that their CW operators used. It's a
rare edition. You can see a lot of editions that
look like this, but he showed us that one. It
was interesting because they used five -letter
code groups to replace phrases so they didn't
have to type as much or send as much. That was
one interesting book that we saw. Then he also
wrote a book. It's called the story and stories
of radio and it's a little bit of history and
a little bit of basic electronics but it's all
written in Italian and in particular in the Brescia
dialect. It's never been translated into English
and if there's anybody listening that would ever
be interested in doing that I think it would
be a great thing. He also Like I say, he has
a large library. He experiments with stuff. He
makes stuff. He had like a spark gap transmitter
and receiver he showed us. And then he had a
little steam engine that he made and he explained
it to Lynn how it goes back and forth and everything.
And then he has two radio stations in there.
One's on the first floor. We saw that one and
he has a bug. Because he liked CW, obviously.
So he had a bug sitting there. And I don't know
what he had on the other floor. We didn't see
that. But yeah, those were the main hobbies of
interest that we saw. All right, interesting.
All right, Neil, I won't ask any more questions.
I don't want to steal any more material from
you. No, go ahead, because you already stole
my material. All right, well, I got to ask. Did
you buy a key and was that a special kind of
thing to buy one there or you didn't get to or
how did that work out? Well we were we were traveling
and those keys are very heavy and we had six
more cities to go and for example like the the
the bug key it weighs six pounds and I was afraid
to buy one and And it lug it all around and break
it. So I waited till I came home and I just ordered
it directly the way you would order a key from
them. And I got the sculpture. Sculpture one.
And I got the single paddle. And that was my
first choice. I liked the signature too, which
was kind of like gold and had red. had like red
paddle things on it. I kind of like that one
a lot too. That was a dual paddle. And yeah,
but so far I'm very happy with what I got. And
it's, it's really smooth to use. Awesome. All
right. Well, I appreciate it. All right, Brian,
thanks for calling. Good to hear from you. All
right, Neil. Good to talk to you all both and
73. And by the way, Brian, you're still the captain.
I am. My wife will tell you. All right, Neo,
take care. All right, 73, Brian. Bye bye. 759
-982 -7373 is how you can join the discussion.
859 -982 -7373 and yeah we were going to talk
about the other interests and we've got a couple
other things that we can talk about but first
by text, Dr. Scott Wright, KZeroMD, who, by the
way, is going to be on next week's HamTalk Live.
We'll talk about that in a little bit. But he
would like to know about the engraving process
for the keys. So are you able to, Jim, are you
able to describe the engraving process? Not too,
too well. I didn't have my key engraved. The
engraving process is usually simply with your
call sign on the side of the key, or depending
on which key you order, I think they can put
it on the top. But that's the only thing that
I recall seeing that was engraved, the call sign
on your key. Now, do they do that? You said something
about that may be a slowdown. Do they do that
there in the factory too? Or do they outsource
that or what? It might be an outsource thing
and it would depend on what the condition was
of the outsource place. When I spoke to Bruna
today, She said there might be a slight delay
in those kinds of orders. But she wasn't sure
yet because May 4th is the day when things are
supposed to be opening up. And that's a couple
of weeks away. And I would bet that those people
are anxious, anxious to get their businesses
going. So within the next two weeks, that whole
thought. May not even apply Well Scott would
also like to know and I think you may have already
hit all of this but maybe you can elaborate a
little more the differences between The keys
like the sculpture and the signature That would
probably be difficult for me to do I think they
both I just don't think I can, I would refer
them to the Magali website where they have a
catalog of something like 20 different keys and
it's easy to negotiate, you just click on it
and it will come up with the key, the signature
if you want to look at the signature. And the
other thing is that Bruna is readily available
to email and she will give you a lot of description
of what one key has over another. I stick to
the, some people like to order their spring version
with the springs and I prefer the more skillful.
skillfully made key that uses the magnets and
the levers and the ball bearings and not the
springs. It just is a little different feel.
It's a little smoother. It's not totally necessary,
but if you're giving yourself a gift, this is
the gift you want to give yourself. All right,
well said. And you mentioned that one had the
single paddle where they also have dual paddles
and so there's a wide variety there. Yeah there
really is and they make so many of them and they're
all just slight variations that they're almost
custom made for what you want. And it's hard
to know that when you're first ordering because
you have no idea. That's one of the reasons why
I didn't get my engraved. If I wanted to add,
trade it off or something and get a different
model, you couldn't do that easily if you were
engraved. So yeah, I thought about ordering their
bug, which is, that thing weighs six pounds.
and it works beautifully and even thought about
the straight key but I just haven't gotten around
to those yet. I'm still playing with the one
I have. 859 -982 -7373 is how you can call and
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we can talk about some other things while we're
waiting here. The Begali Key Factory has an interesting
history, Jim, in that you know, it started off
really making machine guns. Tell us about that
a little bit. Yes, that is interesting. Mr. Begali's
father apparently was into that and Mr. Begali
himself then studied under his father as well
as several other master machinists and he went
to school for that and everything. They all made
these precision mechanical parts for guns. And
then after Mr. Vigali's father died, he went
into the knitting machine industry. It's surprising
how that works in that all that knitting has
to be thread. The threads have to be all knitted
some way. very precisely to make cloth. And that
area of Italy, close to Milan, which is one of
the three fashion capitals of the world, Milan,
Paris, and New York City. So there's a large
demand for cloth. And so machinery in that area
was part of that whole chain of events. and they
made cloth for Italy, Germany, and the United
States. Some of the earliest immigrants from
Italy came from Northern Italy to set up a lot
of these machines in the United States. And then
the issues of China, India, and Turkey came into
substituting the machinery that these masters
were making. And a lot of that business began
to disappear. So Mr. Bigale had to find a use
for his factory. And so he began to reinvent
himself by thinking about doing keys. He's been
an amateur all his life starting in like 1964,
I2R. TF and so it was natural for him to want
to go in this build something very unique with
all of his skills So they they they began very
slowly in 2005 Like all businesses that was disappointing
at first but his goal was to Totally build something
that knew it was new and artistic and create
a family legacy that he could share with the
whole amateur radio community. Their sales are
mostly United States, Great Britain, Canada,
I believe it was. Yeah, but they sell all over
the world. And it's a total family -run business.
They're very appreciative of their... of their
of their sales and their people who buy their
products and they go to the to the nth degree
to Just to make everything satisfactory and perfect
Well, it's a really interesting story that you
know, you just reinvent themselves and comes
up with uses of the skills that you know were
machine guns and knitting and now it becomes
you know useful in ham radio and there's always
you know some kind of connection there and it's
always good to hear those stories. Well, Jim,
I think we've got everybody's questions covered
and everything caught up. So we're going to let
you go here. We're just about out of time. So
any final thoughts here or anything you forgot
about that you want to mention? Oh, hang on,
hang on. Before I do that, Mickey has a question
here. Is it possible that if I buy a Begali key
that it will magically help me learn CW? I think
I know the answer to that. Once you make that
investment, you will learn the curve. You'll
be doing 50 words a minute by year. I can't guarantee
that. I think it is very motivating though. I
think if you buy a new transceiver, you're very
motivated. to operate more and play with it.
And I think it's the same thing with the, with
a Magale key. If you buy a Magale key, uh, you
want to possess it. You want to, uh, make it
part of your hand. So I think that, uh, yeah,
I think it would, it's, it's motivating. Motivating,
but it won't magically all of a sudden make you
a great CW up. Okay. All right. So, final thoughts,
Jim? I think we've covered an awful lot. I appreciate
the time. I hope I haven't missed a few points
that could be of interest to other people. I
just find that I had a wonderful trip there and
it was very congenial and I think anybody who
goes to Italy is in that area. They should go
visit the big alleys. They're very, very social
and I think the ham radio is the only introduction
you need. Sounds like a great little trip if
you're in Italy. Check them out and maybe you
can do the tour as well. Mickey says they're
beautiful and tempting and I would totally agree.
We will end it on that note, but Jim, thanks
so much for being here tonight, and we'll even
thank Brian at KG5GJT, better known as the pot
stirrer or the captain on Twitter, for suggesting
that you come on the show tonight. So he's kind
of the reason we connected, so we'll thank Brian,
too. But thanks to you for sharing your experiences
here on HamTalk Live and taking questions tonight.
Well, it was very enjoyable, Neil. Thank you
for asking me. As you said, I'm happy that Brian
introduced us. All right. Well, we're going to
finish things up here tonight. So that is a wrap.
for this week's edition of HamTalk Live. Thanks
to my guest, Dr. Jim Mara, in 5HZ, and everybody
out in cyberspace for listening and calling in
and typing in. And I invite you back next Thursday
night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time. This is late breaking
news. We just put this together right before
the show. We're going to have two topics next
week. As I mentioned, Dr. Scott Wright, KZeroMD,
who texted in some questions. He's going to be
here for a brief time to talk about a project
that he is working on. And also Sam Rose. KC2LRC
will be here and and the theme next week is going
to be a very scientific one and and of course,
you know, if you've been listening and know about
me I'm a chemistry teacher and so I get into
the to the the science of some of this stuff
and We're going to talk a little science next
week, but we're tying it into ham radio So we're
going to talk about how ham radio operators can
actually contribute to COVID -19 research. So
Scott will be here to talk about his COVID plasma
project that's going on at Mayo Clinic that he
is overseeing and spending just about all day
and all night there working on that. Sam and
I are going to talk about a program that you
can put on your computer that helps fold proteins,
the models of those, and it'll help figure things
out. So it's the connection between ham radio
and COVID -19 research next week on HamTalk Live.
So be sure to tune in for that. And for all of
our upcoming guests, just go to HamTalkLive .com.
There's a list there. You can check that out.
And if you like the show, please leave us a review.
That helps others find us faster. And Troy says
it's time for me to get a Pagali. There we go.
You made a sale there, Jim. So for now, this
is Neil Rapp, WB9VPG, saying 7375, and may the
good DX be yours. Thanks for watching!