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Here we go and welcome to... Good evening, everyone.

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It's HamTalk Live, episode number 217, Field

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Day Q &A 2020, recorded live on Thursday, June

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18th, 2020. I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG.

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Thanks for tuning in to this episode of HamTalk

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Live. Tonight, we're joined by Paul Bork N1SFE

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and we'll be talking about field day and he's

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going to take your field day questions and we'll

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give you a chance to call in in just a few minutes.

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Last week it was Sterling N0SSC and Jocelyn KD8VRX

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here to talk about the summer youth on the air

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events. If you missed that show you can listen

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anytime at HamTalkLive .com or on your favorite

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podcast or over on YouTube. And don't forget,

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you can catch the rebroadcast of HamTalk Live

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each week, Saturday afternoons about 3 .30 PM

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Eastern time on WTWW 5085 AM. So tonight we want

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to get your field day questions in and we are

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a week earlier than normal we usually do the

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last -minute ones, but there's a lot of questions

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this year just because there are some rule changes

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and we're gonna start off with that and Then

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we'll get into some other things and your calls

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and questions. So let me tell you how you can

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do that If you're listening to us live on Thursday

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night, you can call us. The phone number is 859

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-982 -7373. Again, it's 859 -982 -7373. You can

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call in when we get to that part of the show.

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We won't take calls just yet. But when I let

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you know, that's the number to call. It's 859

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9 p .m. Eastern Time at hamtalklive .com. Tonight

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my guest is ARRL contest program manager Paul

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Bork in one SFE. Paul has just completed his

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first full year in that role. He's been licensed

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since 1994 and, like me, he listened for distant

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AM stations quite a bit and later developed a

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career involving various aspects of broadcasting.

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And he started at a broadcast station at the

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University of Parkford. where the station's general

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manager John Ramsey W1JNR pushed him to get his

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license. He grew up in Newington and wanted the

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opportunity to give back to this hobby and he

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likes to find ways to get newer hams into contest

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and dispel the idea you need tons and tons and

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tons of equipment to participate. So Paul, welcome

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back to the show from that location for the last

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time. Yeah, I think thanks for it. Thanks for

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having me Neil. Yeah, it's very exciting I just

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bought a house so I'm in the process of moving

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so of course, you know moving over field day

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weekend That's the best time to move right? especially

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if you're you're like It's time to taking care

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of field day It's The timing couldn't be any

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better Yeah, oh my goodness well It's been an

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absolute crazy year. Life has been turned upside

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down on so many different levels. And even in

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April, you know, when people said, Oh, well,

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what's going to happen with field day? What are

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we going to do with? with field day we're still

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gonna do it and and wasn't long and then all

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of a sudden is like oh we're still having field

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day it just may look a little different and then

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some rule changes happened and that seems to

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be a lot of the questions I'm getting and talking

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with you before the show it seems to be a lot

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of the questions you're getting so let's start

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off right off the bat with these new changes

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that are just for this year because of the pandemic.

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Well, I just want to say early on, we weren't

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quite sure where this was going because when

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we first started getting the stuff ready for

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field day, that was back in February. And early

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on, we weren't quite sure what was going to happen

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with everything. And stuff had to get published

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in QSC. Of course, we had publication deadlines,

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which are set out quite far. So we weren't quite

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sure exactly how everything was going to pan

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out. early on we went with the adapts and uh...

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that battle battle messaging uh... very early

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on but back in late may the programs and services

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committee had uh... agreed to uh... to make a

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couple of changes which you just reference and

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uh... one of those was uh... the big one was

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since we're encouraging participants to uh...

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uh... participate from home if they can't get

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together due to social social distancing they

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would be operating from home as either a Class

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D Delta or Class E Echo stations. And Class D

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normally cannot count contacts for field day

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with other Class D stations. In other words,

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that would be two home stations working on commercial

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power. It'd be like your normal ham shack at

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home. It'd be like just a normal home -to -home

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contact. Normally those don't count for field

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day point credit. This year, this year only we

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are allowing those contacts to count for field

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day points. So there's going to be a lot more

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class D operations we would expect. Because a

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lot of people are going to be operating from

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home and they're going to be running class D

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and so normally you could only work Other classes

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you couldn't work the class D because it was

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we didn't want a home -to -home thing But but

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this year is different. We're trying to really

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kind of differentiate, you know field day of

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course is not a contest where we're trying to

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differentiate it from a normal event where people

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just get off of their homes and work each other

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and you know really field days is a slightly

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different animal than you know, then most amateur

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radio contests seeing as it is a not a contest

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there are points i think you know the points

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really me one of the questions i get a lot of

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you know is well if it's not a contest why are

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there points it encourages participation and

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also some groups like you know some groups have

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a little friendly competitions with their neighboring

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clubs or you know clubs across the country even

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uh... you know so some of them do do make it

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into a competition a little like a friendly competition

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or even It could be something to gauge your performance

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from year to year. So that's really the only,

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you know, that's really the only reason why there

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are points. Now there was a common saying around

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the teaching field whenever, you know, the pandemic

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was going on that it was kind of like, whose

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line is it anyway? You know, the points are made

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up and they don't matter. So anyway, so class

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D to class D contacts can count for credit. And

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you're right, there will probably be a lot more

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just all around entries to field aid this year.

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Because last year we had about 3 ,100 distinct

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field day entries that were submitted. And with

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all the class D to class D, we were expecting

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that number to be a bit higher. Because a lot

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of the participants that would have gotten together

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in a you know a class a or a class f you know

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a big group will all be getting together separately

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well not getting together but they'll be separate

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but they'll they'll be able to participate individually

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from their own homes so that's going to drive

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the numbers up i i would expect so and so to

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kind of simplify this let me make sure i'm i'm

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correct here in saying this so if i'm not correct

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me if i'm wrong But there are no restrictions

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on who you work during field day this year, no

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matter what class you are. Exactly. That is 100

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% correct. All right. Well, then there's the

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club thing. So why don't you go ahead and address

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the club situation. OK. So what they decide to

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do is instead of, you know, people can't get

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together as a big club, what we're allowing is

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Individual participants, like if you or I participated

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using our own call signs from our homes, we can

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declare a club name in the entry form. This is

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on the online entry form. And our score would

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be attributed to what they call an aggregate

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club score. It's not going to go towards a field

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day entry under the club call sign. It's going

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to go, there will be a list of club names. And

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if anyone's familiar with the way we do club

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scoring for contests, basically what happens

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is individual participant scores all the participants

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will get counted towards the club score and it

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will just add up a club score so we're doing

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something very similar to that so what you will

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see is you will see like like say neil you and

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i were both participating in the same as the

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same club from our homes you'd see a listing

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for my call sign under whatever class i operated

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like say i operated mobile so i was a class c

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and you operate as a class D because you were

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home. Your score would show up under your call

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sign as class D with the club name that you that

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you entered into the field day form. My score

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would show up under the class C scores because

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I was class C mobile with the club name and then

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there will be a listing under the club with the

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scores of Mine in yours and if the club did a

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100 club call sign from it did a class a or a

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Class F or even a class B if it was a small group

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Those scores will all be tallied together and

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show up under a different section with the club

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total all together So it's kind of like there's

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two different scoring so there's the club scoring

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and then there's the station scoring Right, so

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you see the station scoring, right, so in other

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words, if your club got together, and this is

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one of the questions I'm getting a lot. A question

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would be similar, like, well, my club is doing

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a Class A this year, and I just, you know, they're

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using the club call sign, I don't feel that I

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really wanna head out and get together socially

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like that, so I'm gonna participate from home.

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What do I do, and how does the score count? Some

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parts of this, one is, Do I use the club call

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sign? And the answer is no. The club call sign

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can only be used in one location, and any of

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those transmitters needs to be within that 1

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,000 foot diameter circle. That is the rule under

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class. It's listed under class A, but it's true

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for every class with the exception of class C

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mobile. So you'll use your own station call sign

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from your own individual location. and then when

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you submit the field day entry separately you're

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going to submit your own field day entry and

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you will put the name of the club in the club

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name field on the on the entry form which normally

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we don't even publish club names for class D

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and E stations but not only are we going to publish

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them then there will be another list that will

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combine not only your club's class A score but

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also your class D scored or any other individuals

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that chose to attribute their score to the club.

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Does that make sense? Absolutely, it makes perfect

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sense to me. And I had actually talked to you

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before because we planned something for Youth

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on the Air and I wanted to confirm it with you

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before we started letting everybody know about

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it and that was You can put any club in there

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you want it's not a set list so contesters may

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be familiar with this like set list of contest

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clubs and those are fine, but you can type anything

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in there so Trying to spell it the same and you

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know capitalize the same and that kind of thing

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would be really helpful So yes, so really what

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needs what needs to happen is we were really

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trying to discourage clubs from using a straight

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acronym like an organization might be called

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M .A .R .S. and there could be a million of them

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depending on where they're from. I would really

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recommend spelling out the name of the club,

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common abbreviations and acronyms like amateur

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radio society and putting in M .A .R .S. is middle

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sex in Connecticut. What if you were to put in

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middle sex A .R .S.? I would understand what

00:18:02.130 --> 00:18:04.730
that means because ARS is amateur radio society,

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but you need to stay away from common acronyms

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that could be used by other groups all throughout

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the country. It'd be very hard to determine which

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club they're actually meeting. So what we're

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working on is on the field day form, when you

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start typing, it's going to pre -populate suggestions

00:18:22.230 --> 00:18:25.930
of club names that will seem to fit. Now again,

00:18:26.130 --> 00:18:30.079
as you mentioned, you can put any buddy's You

00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:32.339
can put any name in there, like a class B Bravo

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entry is a one or two person club. If you and

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I were doing it, we can put Paul and Neil's field

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back. And that would be perfectly acceptable.

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You'll see that if you ever looked in the class

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B scores, you'll see things like that that aren't

00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:47.759
even a club name. So you don't have to be an

00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:52.980
ARRL affiliated club. You don't need to be registered

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as a contest club. I get a lot of questions about

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that too, because in the contest, you have to

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register as a contest club and there's your set

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rules about who can participate where you need

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to be located and none of that's applying for

00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:08.519
field day we're really kind of keeping this as

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simplified as possible just to help individuals

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who don't want to or can't participate in the

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group because of COVID -19 that they can still

00:19:22.579 --> 00:19:27.369
at least make their their efforts count towards

00:19:27.369 --> 00:19:32.690
the club as a whole. And if you can standardize

00:19:32.690 --> 00:19:36.970
your club's official name, that would make Paul's

00:19:36.970 --> 00:19:40.730
life much easier. Right. So I would probably

00:19:40.730 --> 00:19:44.890
recommend if you are a ARRL club or if you are

00:19:44.890 --> 00:19:50.150
even any club, I would recommend using your official

00:19:50.150 --> 00:19:55.079
club name. That would probably make the compilation

00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:57.480
of the results online and not that I just want

00:19:57.480 --> 00:19:59.420
to make my life easier, but what's going to happen

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is I'm going to have thousands of entries and

00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.079
this is not an automated process at all. This

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is something that I will get a spreadsheet of

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results and I'll have to figure out what club

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everybody meant to attribute their scores to.

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So it's going to be an interesting task when

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it comes time to compile the results for the

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December QST. Now I'll give an example and that

00:20:20.900 --> 00:20:23.509
gives me another way to. sneak in another plug

00:20:23.509 --> 00:20:27.289
for youth on the air but youth on the air we're

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going to do a compilation club score so we're

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trying to get everybody that's 25 or under in

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age we're trying to get everybody if you don't

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have a club that you want to go ahead and assign

00:20:43.789 --> 00:20:48.630
yours to to put in youth on the air and not yoda

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but youth on the air So, you know anybody 25

00:20:54.569 --> 00:20:58.309
or under that You don't have another club to

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put it under Put it under youth on the air and

00:21:01.410 --> 00:21:03.990
we'd like to kind of see how the young people

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can can Compile a score and again that you're

00:21:07.430 --> 00:21:10.430
still going to get your individual score But

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we'd kind of like to see how that would would

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go So so I'll put in the plug for the youth on

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the air thing, but that's for ages 25 and below

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so Now that we've we've addressed the big things

00:21:24.349 --> 00:21:27.049
that you're getting a ton of questions about

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Let's talk just a little bit about planning because

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there are some groups that are still going to

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go And they're still going to social distance,

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but they're still going to have a club Activity

00:21:41.690 --> 00:21:44.430
so let's talk a little bit about some of these

00:21:44.430 --> 00:21:47.930
changes that were recommended to to maintain

00:21:49.339 --> 00:21:52.960
social distancing, whether that be operate from

00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.839
home or whether that be, you know, come up with

00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:59.380
a way to separate everybody. Sure. Well, I mean,

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really what the with the ARL stance is really

00:22:04.460 --> 00:22:07.299
first and foremost, pay attention to the guidance

00:22:07.299 --> 00:22:10.980
from your local and regional state health health

00:22:10.980 --> 00:22:14.359
authorities. You know, we don't know what the

00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:17.200
situation is like from, you know, from New Hampshire

00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:21.119
to California could be totally different. So

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the first and foremost is really pay attention

00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:28.240
to that guidance, decide whether you A, can gather

00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:30.880
in any large group and if you can gather in some

00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:33.140
sort of group, either you need to limit the amount

00:22:33.140 --> 00:22:36.839
of people that can be there or keep the different

00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:39.579
field day stations so far apart and using sanitization

00:22:39.579 --> 00:22:42.279
protocols. I mean, there's just so many different

00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:45.559
things that can come into play here. So there's

00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.539
really no one size fits all. First of all, there's

00:22:48.539 --> 00:22:50.259
so many different situations throughout the whole

00:22:50.259 --> 00:22:52.859
country, which is really kind of hard to set

00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:58.220
one set rule for everyone given as the country

00:22:58.220 --> 00:23:03.640
is so spread out. Okay, some good ideas there.

00:23:03.980 --> 00:23:09.160
And then aside from all of this, aside from all

00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:12.599
of the club entries and all that kind of stuff

00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:17.400
that we're doing this year, In past field day

00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:21.240
submissions, what are the most common mistakes

00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.720
that you notice on those entry forms that people

00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:26.940
should watch out for? So one of the things I

00:23:26.940 --> 00:23:29.539
notice if you're claiming bonus points, there

00:23:29.539 --> 00:23:33.259
are certain bonus points that require a supporting

00:23:33.259 --> 00:23:37.279
documentation to either be uploaded in the field

00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:41.470
day entry. Or you can send it in as independent

00:23:41.470 --> 00:23:43.369
documentation. I have some people that will email,

00:23:43.529 --> 00:23:49.509
say, hey, this is for this entry's bonus point

00:23:49.509 --> 00:23:52.670
documentation. So when you're uploading the documentation,

00:23:52.869 --> 00:23:54.869
one of the things we notice is if the file is

00:23:54.869 --> 00:23:58.150
very large, or if you have several very large

00:23:58.150 --> 00:24:01.230
files, you may have to split them up and do them

00:24:01.230 --> 00:24:04.690
as more than one upload. When you upload an entry,

00:24:04.990 --> 00:24:08.650
you're allowed to go back and and either make

00:24:08.650 --> 00:24:11.089
changes or add more documentation. Either you

00:24:11.089 --> 00:24:14.670
don't have everything at one time or if they're,

00:24:14.809 --> 00:24:17.849
we set a file limit of six megabytes last year

00:24:17.849 --> 00:24:20.569
and sometimes what was going on last year and

00:24:20.569 --> 00:24:23.650
we were working on this because there was a little

00:24:23.650 --> 00:24:25.970
computer glitch where it wouldn't give you a

00:24:25.970 --> 00:24:28.670
confirmation page when you upload it. If it was

00:24:28.670 --> 00:24:31.009
too big, it would go right back to the entry

00:24:31.009 --> 00:24:34.230
form and it would be blank. So one thing you

00:24:34.230 --> 00:24:36.109
wanna make sure, especially when you have large

00:24:36.109 --> 00:24:39.490
files, is to make sure that you get a confirmation

00:24:39.490 --> 00:24:43.210
page and a confirmation email. A properly submitted

00:24:43.210 --> 00:24:45.750
field day entry through the web app, which is

00:24:45.750 --> 00:24:50.869
at field -day .arrl .org. If you click on the

00:24:50.869 --> 00:24:53.390
top of the page where it says entry form, it

00:24:53.390 --> 00:24:56.789
will bring you to the entry form. It will give

00:24:56.789 --> 00:25:00.190
you, you'll be able to submit your email address

00:25:00.190 --> 00:25:02.950
and it will give you a confirmation email but

00:25:02.950 --> 00:25:06.180
also the computer screen will display a page

00:25:06.180 --> 00:25:10.259
that has a confirmation number and a confirmation

00:25:10.259 --> 00:25:12.779
that was submitted. So it's important to make

00:25:12.779 --> 00:25:16.200
sure that you receive your confirmation number.

00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:20.000
If you don't, either give us a call at the contest

00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:23.579
program manager's office, which is me, or send

00:25:23.579 --> 00:25:27.779
an email and we'll help you step you through

00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:31.079
it. So I really think that the two things were

00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:34.619
the missing bonus point documentation, which

00:25:34.619 --> 00:25:36.720
means you would not get that bonus point. In

00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.339
other words, if you claim bonus points for, say,

00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:43.079
media publicity, and you did not upload supporting

00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:46.200
documents for it, you would not get that bonus

00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:49.339
point. And it will tell you that when you submit

00:25:49.339 --> 00:25:51.799
it. It will tell you that you are missing certain

00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:55.880
ones. All right, very good. Well, we're going

00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:57.759
to take a break because we want to get to some

00:25:57.759 --> 00:26:00.059
questions and we do have a couple of questions

00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:03.339
that have rolled in already. So we want to give

00:26:03.339 --> 00:26:07.160
everybody a chance to ask those so we can we

00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.900
can talk more if if not, but I know we've got

00:26:10.900 --> 00:26:12.980
some coming in. So we're going to take a break

00:26:12.980 --> 00:26:15.539
and do that. And we'll be back to do that right

00:26:15.539 --> 00:26:18.380
after this word from Tower Electronics right

00:26:18.380 --> 00:26:23.819
here on HamTalk Live. Jerry, what's up, man?

00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:26.980
I haven't seen you at Sunbucks in a while. I

00:26:26.980 --> 00:26:28.859
used to see you every morning getting coffee.

00:26:28.940 --> 00:26:32.680
What's up? Well, I can't afford Sunbucks five

00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:35.359
days a week anymore. I had to spend my money

00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:39.039
on PL -259s. You know, those antenna projects

00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:41.819
I've been meaning to do. I had to do them before

00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:45.619
my HOA finds out I have antennas. That's too

00:26:45.619 --> 00:26:48.160
bad, Jerry. I miss seeing you and catching up

00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:51.440
over coffee. You should get your PL -259s from

00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:58.420
Tower Electronics. They have great stuff. Jerry,

00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:02.740
you're back. Oh, QRM Heterodyne Frappuccino.

00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:05.720
That's a good choice. How's it going? Did you

00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:08.539
get all those antennas up before the HOA police

00:27:08.539 --> 00:27:12.019
showed up? Yeah, I got them all done. Thanks

00:27:12.019 --> 00:27:14.559
for telling me about Tower Electronics. Now I

00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:17.450
can have my coffee. I just saved a bunch of money

00:27:17.450 --> 00:27:21.150
on my PL259s by switching to Tower Electronics.

00:27:21.569 --> 00:27:24.650
Don't get caught without PL259s. Visit Tower

00:27:24.650 --> 00:27:29.369
Electronics online at pl -259 .com or at a ham

00:27:29.369 --> 00:27:33.390
fest near you. Or give them a call at 920 -435

00:27:33.390 --> 00:27:36.950
-2973 and be sure to pick up some power poles,

00:27:37.190 --> 00:27:40.609
adapters and cables too. Join the conversation.

00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:47.220
give us a call at 859 -982 -7373. Again, the

00:27:47.220 --> 00:27:53.440
number to call is 859 -982 -7373. Or if you'd

00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.720
rather type than talk, tweet us at HamTalk Live.

00:27:57.099 --> 00:28:00.740
Now, here's Neil Rapp with more HamTalk Live.

00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:09.690
CQ Field Day. CQ Field Day. This is HamTalk Live

00:28:09.690 --> 00:28:38.039
with Neil Rapp. Welcome back to ham talk live

00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.180
Ham talk lives on the air every Thursday night

00:28:41.180 --> 00:28:44.940
9 p .m. Eastern time Right here at ham talk live

00:28:44.940 --> 00:28:47.480
comm and be sure to check us out on Facebook

00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:49.619
Twitter and Instagram and it's time for your

00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:52.660
calls now So if you have a question for Paul,

00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:57.180
give us a call at eight five nine nine eight

00:28:57.180 --> 00:29:00.299
two seventy three seventy three or you can tweet

00:29:01.220 --> 00:29:04.160
at HamTalk Live, and if you're listening to us

00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:09.079
on WTWW or on the podcast edition, you won't

00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:11.920
be able to reach us live since the show's on

00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:14.579
Thursday, and we have a call. Let me see if we

00:29:14.579 --> 00:29:17.380
can take the call here. Good evening, welcome

00:29:17.380 --> 00:29:21.359
to HamTalk Live. Hey, my name is Jerry, KI4IO

00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.980
here in Fireway, Warrenton, Virginia. I was just

00:29:23.980 --> 00:29:26.039
gonna go set up in my yard in the tent, throw

00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:29.349
up a new antenna, and operate Class B. but according

00:29:29.349 --> 00:29:31.910
to their questions i've seen i can't do that

00:29:31.910 --> 00:29:36.230
this year is that true well so what class are

00:29:36.230 --> 00:29:39.750
you yours you're saying class of the uh... uh...

00:29:39.750 --> 00:29:42.650
uh... battery i was going to operate just battery

00:29:42.650 --> 00:29:46.150
and then throw up and then not use my not use

00:29:46.150 --> 00:29:50.130
my uh... home antenna so so so normally a class

00:29:50.130 --> 00:29:52.910
b and this is this is actually for a for a for

00:29:52.910 --> 00:29:54.690
every year not just for this year but normally

00:29:54.690 --> 00:29:59.039
class b is really kind of portable where you

00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.839
actually move away from your normal QTH now I

00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:05.420
don't know what your setup is but I'm thinking

00:30:05.420 --> 00:30:07.779
that if you know you were to go set up an attack

00:30:07.779 --> 00:30:12.079
out and out away from the house and you're Really

00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:14.359
making an effort to really be like a portable,

00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:16.480
you know Think to think of a portable operation

00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.099
as if you were backpacking somewhere or something

00:30:19.099 --> 00:30:21.720
like that So, you know again, normally we're

00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.299
trying to encourage class B to be groups that

00:30:24.299 --> 00:30:27.660
are not using their normal stations, not using

00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:31.660
any of their normal station antennas and running

00:30:31.660 --> 00:30:34.500
completely off the grid and on portable power

00:30:34.500 --> 00:30:39.660
sources. I'd be out in my front yard and not

00:30:39.660 --> 00:30:42.380
that far from the house and most of the state

00:30:42.380 --> 00:30:44.339
parks around here probably don't even have the

00:30:44.339 --> 00:30:47.180
toilets opened up yet so that's why I'm opting

00:30:47.180 --> 00:30:50.039
for something like this. If you are operating

00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.789
on a fully fully portable power source that's

00:30:52.789 --> 00:30:56.710
not on the commercial power grid, you would probably

00:30:56.710 --> 00:31:05.069
be more like a class E echo. So really the intent

00:31:05.069 --> 00:31:08.890
of that rule is to really encourage people from

00:31:08.890 --> 00:31:11.289
operating in, like if you were to go to a park

00:31:11.289 --> 00:31:14.250
down the street or something, or a farmer's field,

00:31:14.609 --> 00:31:17.390
or you got somebody at a big piece of property

00:31:17.390 --> 00:31:19.880
that says, hey, you can set up over here. Certainly

00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:23.779
go ahead and then get class B So that is not

00:31:23.779 --> 00:31:26.980
just a for this year thing that is normally the

00:31:26.980 --> 00:31:30.339
that is normally the intent of a class B is to

00:31:30.339 --> 00:31:32.460
really Really make an effort to be a portable

00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:35.940
station away from your from your home station

00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:38.660
at home facilities Yeah, no last couple years.

00:31:38.660 --> 00:31:40.839
We've been you know 50 miles from home So out

00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.759
in the Shenandoah National Park, but can't do

00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:45.720
it this year. Okay. Thank you very much for your

00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.579
response All right, you're welcome. Jerry. Thanks,

00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:55.220
right? Thanks for calling Jerry. 859 -982 -7373

00:31:55.220 --> 00:31:58.519
is the number and we do have some that have come

00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:03.440
in on Twitter here. Brett wy7bg says I'm thinking

00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:07.079
of putting one of my rigs on zoom perhaps with

00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:11.500
a temporary field day antenna and allowing members

00:32:11.500 --> 00:32:14.880
of my local club to join the zoom meeting and

00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:18.319
remote control the rig. Which, by the way, will

00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:23.980
be set up for FT4 and FT8. What class would that

00:32:23.980 --> 00:32:27.500
setup be? Well, there's a lot going on there.

00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.640
Yes, there's a lot going on there. One is FT4

00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:34.420
and FT8 are allowed modes. Any digital mode is

00:32:34.420 --> 00:32:36.339
allowed as long as it supports the field day

00:32:36.339 --> 00:32:39.539
exchange. The real question about what class

00:32:39.539 --> 00:32:43.920
it would be is, is he at home? Is he running

00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:49.190
on commercial power? think about all the stations,

00:32:49.210 --> 00:32:51.829
he said one of his rigs. So if he has one of

00:32:51.829 --> 00:32:54.730
his rigs, like his main rig at home running on,

00:32:55.130 --> 00:32:57.490
it's his regular station rig, he's on commercial

00:32:57.490 --> 00:33:02.809
power, that would be a class D home station.

00:33:03.809 --> 00:33:10.230
So the Zoom remote controlled rig would not be

00:33:10.230 --> 00:33:18.019
considered a different class. So I'm not sure

00:33:18.019 --> 00:33:20.480
whether he's doing that as a club. Is he using

00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.160
the club call sign? There's a lot of variables

00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:28.500
there. I would really recommend sending in an

00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:34.700
email to us or giving us a call and discuss those

00:33:34.700 --> 00:33:37.019
particulars because there's a lot going on there.

00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.640
What class? It depends on a lot of variables.

00:33:41.299 --> 00:33:43.200
How many total participants are there? There's

00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:47.589
another one too. So if he had more than three

00:33:47.589 --> 00:33:49.650
people participating, even though it was set

00:33:49.650 --> 00:33:52.089
up at his home, that would be back in as a Class

00:33:52.089 --> 00:33:56.750
A again. So there's a lot of different variables.

00:33:57.410 --> 00:33:59.809
So really, I would recommend kind of contacting

00:33:59.809 --> 00:34:03.309
us with your specifics, and we can help you out

00:34:03.309 --> 00:34:07.329
there. Okay, yeah, remote, you know, it's come

00:34:07.329 --> 00:34:09.869
up, and like for youth on the air, we're going

00:34:09.869 --> 00:34:12.550
to have a remote station. So kids, you know,

00:34:12.590 --> 00:34:16.570
that are uh... uh... and and there is no i don't

00:34:16.570 --> 00:34:19.130
have a regular home and get on and do that but

00:34:19.130 --> 00:34:22.250
it's gonna it's going to be in the same location

00:34:22.250 --> 00:34:25.590
you know every time that way nothing in the field

00:34:25.590 --> 00:34:27.849
day rules that prohibits you know it's somebody

00:34:27.849 --> 00:34:31.170
from act is from from getting in in remotely

00:34:31.170 --> 00:34:34.769
accessing a field day transmitter so uh... you

00:34:34.769 --> 00:34:36.750
know you know a lot of clubs are even doing that

00:34:36.750 --> 00:34:38.750
in their class a say hey we have this one transfer

00:34:38.750 --> 00:34:41.389
set up a lot of people are rolling access we

00:34:41.389 --> 00:34:44.219
just have to get others there's certain FCC rules

00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:46.760
they got to make sure as to which you know which

00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:48.460
part of the bands you're transmitting out whether

00:34:48.460 --> 00:34:50.860
there's a control operator it has the correct

00:34:50.860 --> 00:34:54.320
the correct privileges and all that stuff too

00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:56.579
so there's there's those concerns as well with

00:34:56.579 --> 00:35:00.900
the remote operation sure so so where where was

00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:04.380
the line then between making that a D or an A

00:35:04.380 --> 00:35:09.380
on commercial Well, it really is the class the

00:35:09.380 --> 00:35:12.980
class a is a club or non club group of three

00:35:12.980 --> 00:35:15.699
or more persons So it depends on how many told

00:35:15.699 --> 00:35:20.940
you three there are So if it was just I again

00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:23.679
how many participants are there? So, you know,

00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.280
you have to look at the scene and that is Participants

00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:28.840
are people that help set up people who are in

00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:30.960
and not only not only licensed teams But non

00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:33.460
licensed hands or not even there are non licensed

00:35:33.460 --> 00:35:36.789
people It could be anyone a participant is anyone

00:35:36.789 --> 00:35:38.630
who comes to your field aid and it helps set

00:35:38.630 --> 00:35:41.769
up an antenna You know, you know does anything

00:35:41.769 --> 00:35:43.510
if they're considered a participant. They don't

00:35:43.510 --> 00:35:46.409
have to be a licensed ham So again, it all depends

00:35:46.409 --> 00:35:50.570
on how your specific setup is As to which class

00:35:50.570 --> 00:35:54.849
it is. So just the remote operation itself wouldn't

00:35:54.849 --> 00:35:59.170
really drive what class it is Okay, very good

00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.079
Alright well we've got another call on the line

00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:04.739
so let's see who we have here even though I know

00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:10.139
who it is. Welcome to HamTalk Live. Hi Neil,

00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:14.760
hi Paul, this is Jocelyn KD8 VRX and I have questions

00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.860
like everybody else. First I think Neil said

00:36:17.860 --> 00:36:21.039
it already but Paul nobody I think envies your

00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:24.579
position because of the whole situation. Normally,

00:36:24.659 --> 00:36:26.659
I think it's easy. We all show up at the club

00:36:26.659 --> 00:36:29.019
and, hey, we're a 3 alpha, and that's what I

00:36:29.019 --> 00:36:32.340
am. Since a lot of us are operating from home,

00:36:32.500 --> 00:36:35.500
we have lots of questions that you can understand.

00:36:35.940 --> 00:36:38.719
I have the same question that Jerry from Virginia

00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.940
had. I thought I could be a B operate from my

00:36:41.940 --> 00:36:45.260
backyard because I looked at an E station as

00:36:45.260 --> 00:36:47.599
operating on battery power from my shack in the

00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:51.800
basement, not being outside. I think maybe I

00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.119
know it's clear for you, but it wasn't for me.

00:36:54.179 --> 00:36:57.239
It wasn't for Jerry So, you know, I will say

00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:01.239
maybe we clarify that in in future in the future

00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.880
Say, you know portable is this many feet or miles

00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.239
away from home or something similar. I Really

00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:11.679
think it's really about really whether you made

00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:14.440
a significant effort to release. You know really

00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:18.869
to really Not just sit up set up on the deck

00:37:18.869 --> 00:37:23.210
five steps from your kitchen sliding door and

00:37:23.210 --> 00:37:26.630
You know the deck there and you're right right

00:37:26.630 --> 00:37:29.809
right outside the door to me that that is not

00:37:29.809 --> 00:37:32.489
really in the intent of the class B is I mean

00:37:32.489 --> 00:37:35.170
if you if you have a yard that's deep and you're

00:37:35.170 --> 00:37:37.969
out in your Bush watch your way out to the back

00:37:37.969 --> 00:37:41.590
40 and you set up antennas, you know, think about

00:37:41.590 --> 00:37:44.679
really what is Think about what the intent of

00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:48.280
the rule is and really did you satisfy? I mean

00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:50.159
if you were if you were just doing to say well

00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.820
I'm doing this just so I can be class B and you

00:37:52.820 --> 00:37:54.960
set up portable, you know Yes, they're portable

00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:56.980
antennas, but you're right outside your kitchen

00:37:56.980 --> 00:37:59.940
door. Is that really is that really portable?

00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.340
I mean, yeah, it's portable because it's not

00:38:02.340 --> 00:38:07.420
hooked up to anything but Yeah, and that's what

00:38:07.420 --> 00:38:10.460
I mean like the rule is and again normally in

00:38:10.460 --> 00:38:13.389
the past we've not had this We've not had really

00:38:13.389 --> 00:38:15.570
to worry about it because, like I said, we normally

00:38:15.570 --> 00:38:18.789
go at a club or something and, you know, we do

00:38:18.789 --> 00:38:21.550
the same thing similar every year. So we kind

00:38:21.550 --> 00:38:23.730
of know. But this year, like I said, everything's

00:38:23.730 --> 00:38:25.530
been flipped on its head. So everybody's got

00:38:25.530 --> 00:38:28.449
questions. So like I said, I did not intervene.

00:38:29.630 --> 00:38:33.269
And usually what we see, I'm sorry, usually what

00:38:33.269 --> 00:38:35.809
we see for Class B entries is you'll see, like

00:38:35.809 --> 00:38:38.320
last year there was a couple guys. that went

00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:41.480
up to a hilltop up in California and the two

00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:45.739
of them backpacked in and set up batteries and

00:38:45.739 --> 00:38:47.659
solar up on top of the hill and camped out there

00:38:47.659 --> 00:38:49.639
on top of the hill and ran all weekend as a Class

00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.320
B. I mean that's normally what we see as a Class

00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:58.619
B. Things like that and just a couple guys setting

00:38:58.619 --> 00:39:01.719
up in a small park down the street in their town

00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.079
or something that's not a normal station location

00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.599
is really kind of the keywords there, and I'm

00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:11.820
sorry I keep interrupting you, Jonathan. No,

00:39:11.980 --> 00:39:15.300
no, I appreciate the clarification, and I'm sure

00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:18.019
all the other people listening, you know, other

00:39:18.019 --> 00:39:20.579
operators listening on the show also appreciate

00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:24.340
it. I had a question regarding points, so let's

00:39:24.340 --> 00:39:26.800
say I'm going to be a home station running on

00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.579
emergency power, and I'm going to be running

00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:34.059
150 watts. Is my point multiplier 2? Or because

00:39:34.059 --> 00:39:36.340
as soon as you throw in battery, it seems like

00:39:36.340 --> 00:39:38.460
it throws you, it wants to throw you into different

00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:44.019
categories. Right, so if you're looking at class

00:39:44.019 --> 00:39:50.460
B, I'm sorry, class D, I'm sorry, I stay corrected.

00:39:51.139 --> 00:39:53.260
So yeah, there is the power multiplier thing,

00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.780
so that is, and I'm scrolling to that section

00:39:56.780 --> 00:39:59.300
of the rules right now, I apologize. That's okay,

00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:04.420
that's okay. Power multiplier, where are you?

00:40:10.420 --> 00:40:15.820
Power multiplier, there we go. So the power multiplier

00:40:15.820 --> 00:40:19.320
is determined by the highest power output of

00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.500
any of the transmitters used during field day.

00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:26.699
If all contacts need using 5 watts or less, you

00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:30.829
said you're going to be 150 watts? I'll be running

00:40:30.829 --> 00:40:33.630
100 watts or QRP, but obviously I have to go

00:40:33.630 --> 00:40:36.050
with a higher one, so we'll go with 100 watts.

00:40:36.889 --> 00:40:40.650
Right, so if you were running 5 watts or higher,

00:40:41.469 --> 00:40:44.309
and you were under 150 watts, your power multiplier

00:40:44.309 --> 00:40:48.909
would be 2. Okay, and that's what I read, but

00:40:48.909 --> 00:40:52.250
since I had a chance to get in touch with you,

00:40:52.510 --> 00:40:55.349
I thought I'd take the moment to clarify that.

00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.539
Right, so that would be a power multiplier of

00:40:58.539 --> 00:41:02.380
two, because basically it's between five and

00:41:02.380 --> 00:41:06.820
between QRP at 150 watts would be two. And then

00:41:06.820 --> 00:41:10.440
if you were great at 150, like if you were running

00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:12.659
an amp or something, your power multiplier is

00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:15.239
one. So what happens is the power multipliers

00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:20.119
go up as you use lower power. And then if you're

00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:23.110
using five watts or less, but the source is from

00:41:23.110 --> 00:41:25.710
commercial main or a motor driven generator.

00:41:25.730 --> 00:41:29.150
In other words, either an alternator from a car

00:41:29.150 --> 00:41:30.889
is actually considered motor driven generator

00:41:30.889 --> 00:41:34.389
because that's driven out the motor, or a gasoline

00:41:34.389 --> 00:41:38.230
power generator, you're still would be a power

00:41:38.230 --> 00:41:41.250
multiplier of two. When it jumps up to five,

00:41:41.650 --> 00:41:44.110
is you're using a power source other than commercially

00:41:44.110 --> 00:41:47.389
supplied power or a motor driven generator. In

00:41:47.389 --> 00:41:54.340
other words, batteries, solar cells. Squirrel

00:41:54.340 --> 00:42:01.380
on a little wheel. Yeah, we're gonna need a couple

00:42:01.380 --> 00:42:05.139
of squirrels. We've actually seen some people

00:42:05.139 --> 00:42:10.920
doing it on a bicycle power generator. I do remember

00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.820
seeing that at Hamvention. I think somebody had

00:42:13.820 --> 00:42:15.880
like the army style where you don't do it with

00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:18.059
your feet, but you do it with your hands. And

00:42:18.059 --> 00:42:20.500
just thinking, you know, you got to be committed

00:42:20.500 --> 00:42:25.159
at that point. But I wanted to make one more

00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:28.460
comment, and this is, and Neil's aware of this,

00:42:28.780 --> 00:42:32.980
because I passed it by him earlier. But our club,

00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.019
and I encourage other clubs to be doing the same

00:42:35.019 --> 00:42:38.340
thing. Because there's going to be so many stations

00:42:38.340 --> 00:42:41.380
running from home, we're having a Zoom session

00:42:41.380 --> 00:42:43.960
with our club to show people how to set up their

00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:47.519
logging software ahead of time. And, you know,

00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:49.940
if there's any questions and things, so that

00:42:49.940 --> 00:42:51.760
part at least, you know, most people know how

00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.619
to set up their radios portable. That's, you

00:42:54.619 --> 00:42:56.239
know, they know how to do that. We're trying

00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:59.739
to backfill where the computer logging will be

00:42:59.739 --> 00:43:01.960
done, so we're gonna have a quick session on

00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:03.840
doing that, and then we'll have another session

00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.239
after field day to show them how to use your

00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:09.880
website to post their entries and how to do it

00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:14.250
effectively. And as far as the... As far as the

00:43:14.250 --> 00:43:19.309
club name, we have the same thing. What do we

00:43:19.309 --> 00:43:21.550
put in the acronym, the full thing? And I think

00:43:21.550 --> 00:43:23.670
what we've decided, we're just gonna put the

00:43:23.670 --> 00:43:26.530
club call sign, because that's probably a unique

00:43:26.530 --> 00:43:29.690
and very easy thing for everybody to know. So

00:43:29.690 --> 00:43:34.389
I didn't know if that was okay or not. A club

00:43:34.389 --> 00:43:37.250
call sign is an easy thing to identify, but what's

00:43:37.250 --> 00:43:39.170
gonna happen is in the results, it'll just show

00:43:39.170 --> 00:43:41.130
the club call sign. So if you wanna have your

00:43:41.130 --> 00:43:43.320
club name, If you want to have your club name

00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:48.760
in the results, I would suggest using just the

00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:50.980
official club name. And what we're going to do

00:43:50.980 --> 00:43:53.880
on the field day entry form, as I mentioned this

00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:56.739
earlier, we're going to have an autocomplete

00:43:56.739 --> 00:44:00.039
thing set up. So when you start typing in the

00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:01.960
name of a club, it's going to give you a list

00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:04.320
of suggestions. Because again, you can put in

00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:08.699
any name. We're really trying to I mean I mean

00:44:08.699 --> 00:44:11.260
call signs for some for some groups probably

00:44:11.260 --> 00:44:12.420
they're going to be they're going to do that

00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:15.239
But I would probably recommend putting in the

00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:17.079
the name of the club because that way that it

00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:19.840
will appear as the name of your club in the results

00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.739
But the one sounds good. The one thing is to

00:44:23.739 --> 00:44:26.980
be to be consistent. So if you What's the name

00:44:26.980 --> 00:44:31.380
of your club? Westchester amateur radio association

00:44:32.300 --> 00:44:35.519
Alright, so if you were to put Westchester A

00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:40.199
.R .A. and everybody did that, I would probably

00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:41.820
know who you were unless there was more than

00:44:41.820 --> 00:44:44.780
one Westchester. If that's the official name

00:44:44.780 --> 00:44:47.219
of the club and there's only one Westchester

00:44:47.219 --> 00:44:49.940
Amateur Radio Association, using a common acronym

00:44:49.940 --> 00:44:52.300
like A .R .A. on the end or A .R .S. for Amateur

00:44:52.300 --> 00:44:56.139
Radio Society or A .R .C. for Amateur Radio Club,

00:44:56.579 --> 00:45:01.579
those are pretty common. And a lot of times in

00:45:01.579 --> 00:45:05.179
the field, they write an article in QST. We abbreviate

00:45:05.179 --> 00:45:07.079
those back down to them for space limitations

00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:12.780
as well. Yeah, and we may just even tag in, like

00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:14.699
I said, the call sign at the end, put the name

00:45:14.699 --> 00:45:16.880
in the call sign just to make it absolutely unique.

00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:19.460
Anyways, thank you very much, Paul, for answering

00:45:19.460 --> 00:45:21.940
all those questions. I'm sure there's other people

00:45:21.940 --> 00:45:23.539
that have tons of questions that want to get

00:45:23.539 --> 00:45:26.079
on. So I will let you guys go. And thank you

00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:28.260
very much for being on the show. And Neil, thank

00:45:28.260 --> 00:45:30.929
you for having the show. It's a hot topic this

00:45:30.929 --> 00:45:34.170
year. So I'll say 73 for now. All right. Thanks

00:45:34.170 --> 00:45:37.170
73. Thanks for calling. Thanks Jocelyn for calling.

00:45:37.909 --> 00:45:42.510
Talk to you soon. Bye. Yeah. Yeah. It is a, it

00:45:42.510 --> 00:45:45.130
is a hot topic this year. Sometimes we're sitting

00:45:45.130 --> 00:45:49.449
around going, are there going to be any questions?

00:45:50.030 --> 00:45:53.849
Yeah, not this year. So. Let's see what else

00:45:53.849 --> 00:46:00.289
we have here. 859 -982 -7373 is the phone number

00:46:00.289 --> 00:46:03.530
if you'd like to call in. Let's see, you haven't

00:46:03.530 --> 00:46:07.989
gotten to the speaker comments yet. So, Troy

00:46:07.989 --> 00:46:11.690
W9KVR wants to know any significant changes in

00:46:11.690 --> 00:46:15.690
acceptable modes or bands that we need to know.

00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:22.840
Modes or bands? Pretty much no changes. It's

00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:27.460
still the amateur bands excluding the work bands.

00:46:28.500 --> 00:46:34.480
So basically bands are 160, 80, 40, 20, 15 and

00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:38.360
10 on HF as well as all bands 6 meters and up.

00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:41.900
So anything 50 megahertz and above. All bands

00:46:41.900 --> 00:46:46.440
are acceptable there. So it's the HF bands that

00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:51.719
I mentioned, again, 160, 80, 40, 20, 15, and

00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.320
10. And then as far as modes, any amateur radio

00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:57.760
mode that's authorized and legal is accepted

00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.599
as long as it supports the field day exchange.

00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:04.920
And the only other rule that was changed, and

00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.440
this is actually a rule change, not just a temporary

00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.579
waiver, is that the limit of the Gota stations

00:47:10.909 --> 00:47:13.710
uh... contacts you used to live for a go to station

00:47:13.710 --> 00:47:15.909
which is a get on the air station that class

00:47:15.909 --> 00:47:21.769
a can uh... can operate with class a at actually

00:47:21.769 --> 00:47:24.610
uh... anyway anyone who can be in the world and

00:47:24.610 --> 00:47:26.909
who could use a get on the air station you were

00:47:26.909 --> 00:47:29.269
limited to five hundred quesos for the go to

00:47:29.269 --> 00:47:32.110
station now it's limited to a thousand quesos

00:47:32.110 --> 00:47:36.130
that really is the only uh... the only significant

00:47:36.130 --> 00:47:40.380
rule change aside from the the temporary 2020

00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:46.239
waivers. All right. Chris, AA4CB says the only

00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:48.179
major change we're going to have this year is

00:47:48.179 --> 00:47:50.880
pulled pork and chicken. No dominoes this year.

00:47:51.980 --> 00:48:00.079
So there we go. No dominoes. Troy says they're

00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.199
having Iroquois County Pork Producers Association

00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:06.679
pork burgers on the grill. So there we go. And

00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:08.659
it sounds like the food is still going to be

00:48:08.659 --> 00:48:13.159
good for field day. Lisa says she's going to

00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:17.559
be running the Gota station this year. So that's

00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:20.699
a great thing. So thank you, Lisa, for doing

00:48:20.699 --> 00:48:23.400
that. That's something that I've been doing for

00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:27.409
many field days in a row now. No, I want to operate

00:48:27.409 --> 00:48:30.510
but I guess this year's my chance to operate

00:48:30.510 --> 00:48:39.190
now Let's see Skeeter Nash in five a sh says

00:48:39.190 --> 00:48:42.050
at our last meeting some of our members proposed

00:48:42.050 --> 00:48:45.309
Smoking the Boston butts before bringing them

00:48:45.309 --> 00:48:47.929
to field day Others want to wait and smoke them

00:48:47.929 --> 00:48:50.050
on Friday night into Saturday morning has been

00:48:50.050 --> 00:48:54.250
done in the past. What would you suggest? well

00:48:54.250 --> 00:48:58.860
as long as You gotta go low and slow. I recommend

00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:00.739
low and slow. If you're smoking something, it's

00:49:00.739 --> 00:49:03.519
always low and slow. And what kind of wood are

00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:10.579
you using? That's really the question. All right,

00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:14.320
Carl, KD9HQT asks, can you operate under class

00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:18.179
D and E under the same call? Like if you want

00:49:18.179 --> 00:49:21.260
to operate some bands on commercial and others

00:49:21.260 --> 00:49:26.820
on emergency. well basically the answer is no

00:49:26.820 --> 00:49:30.340
so you're going to so if you're on commercial

00:49:30.340 --> 00:49:33.099
power that is going to override if you were working

00:49:33.099 --> 00:49:37.340
anything on the non -commercial power so in other

00:49:37.340 --> 00:49:40.440
words it's almost like the higher power source

00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:42.980
will win so if there's any contact was made on

00:49:42.980 --> 00:49:45.360
commercial power that would that would automatically

00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:50.929
push your entry into class D instead of D Okay,

00:49:50.929 --> 00:49:56.269
very good. Well, I think we're here It's almost

00:49:56.269 --> 00:49:58.929
like kind of like with the power The power multiplier

00:49:58.929 --> 00:50:01.349
if you made a whole bunch of contacts on five

00:50:01.349 --> 00:50:06.730
blocks, but me too on 150 You're just all the

00:50:06.730 --> 00:50:09.269
five watt ones basically are everything is gonna

00:50:09.269 --> 00:50:11.869
be 150 because it's it's the maximum of what

00:50:11.869 --> 00:50:14.090
you What you did throughout the whole field day

00:50:14.090 --> 00:50:23.409
period? Very good 859 -982 -7373 is the phone

00:50:23.409 --> 00:50:25.650
number and we're going to make that the last

00:50:25.650 --> 00:50:32.750
call for questions here tonight. 859 -982 -7373

00:50:32.750 --> 00:50:36.889
or tweet us at HamTalk Live, but we'll take one

00:50:36.889 --> 00:50:41.710
more look here in just a minute. So besides moving,

00:50:41.969 --> 00:50:48.190
what are your field day plans this year? well

00:50:48.190 --> 00:50:51.190
let me put you this way i took my last antenna

00:50:51.190 --> 00:50:54.150
down at my old at my old qth yesterday so that

00:50:54.150 --> 00:50:57.969
that is uh... that was a uh... that was a uh...

00:50:57.969 --> 00:51:01.050
uh... a four -band fan dipole which is now out

00:51:01.050 --> 00:51:04.150
of my garage hopefully it won't be tangled up

00:51:04.150 --> 00:51:06.789
while i don't do this i tried at my best not

00:51:06.789 --> 00:51:10.250
to tell us about but you know how that goes so

00:51:10.250 --> 00:51:13.670
i i also have a uh... just a couple of model

00:51:13.670 --> 00:51:18.289
band i post i'd be set up at the new QTH with

00:51:18.289 --> 00:51:22.570
one of my little portable radios and just throw

00:51:22.570 --> 00:51:25.329
a dipole up and see if it can make some contacts.

00:51:25.610 --> 00:51:28.750
It all depends on how much painting I get done.

00:51:32.050 --> 00:51:34.349
Now there's something you probably never heard

00:51:34.349 --> 00:51:37.429
of for field day before. It all depends on how

00:51:37.429 --> 00:51:41.389
much painting I get done. It's kind of like the

00:51:41.389 --> 00:51:52.599
honeydew list too. You have that. Well, you've

00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.000
been on the job for a year now, so what are your

00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.610
thoughts after the first year? uh... well i i

00:52:00.610 --> 00:52:03.329
did my first thought is i'm glad that that this

00:52:03.329 --> 00:52:05.949
this was at my first year and having field day

00:52:05.949 --> 00:52:08.650
i because i was i was hired in june third of

00:52:08.650 --> 00:52:11.090
our first start those are start date so last

00:52:11.090 --> 00:52:12.949
year's field day was kind of like a trial by

00:52:12.949 --> 00:52:16.449
fire i got i got i got thrown in feet first uh...

00:52:16.449 --> 00:52:19.369
just inside all by the way here's field day you

00:52:19.369 --> 00:52:21.349
know of course i had a lot of support from from

00:52:21.349 --> 00:52:24.090
part of the night jay jay and and i don't know

00:52:24.090 --> 00:52:26.489
all the staff but again henderson and you know

00:52:26.489 --> 00:52:29.619
all of it all the art that the Ghost of Field

00:52:29.619 --> 00:52:35.840
Day passed. But I'm just glad that this year

00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:38.019
was not my first year doing this and having the

00:52:38.019 --> 00:52:40.380
COVID thing hit at the same time. But there was

00:52:40.380 --> 00:52:44.679
definitely was a lot of learning and I'm really

00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:49.099
starting to get into the groove of everything

00:52:49.099 --> 00:52:52.829
that goes on. There's so many little cogs. and

00:52:52.829 --> 00:52:55.170
different years that all have to turn between,

00:52:55.170 --> 00:52:57.190
you know, log checking your contests and the

00:52:57.190 --> 00:52:59.650
results of publication. And there's a lot of

00:52:59.650 --> 00:53:02.070
people involved and, you know, definitely I think

00:53:02.070 --> 00:53:06.489
the first year is really making the contacts

00:53:06.489 --> 00:53:08.789
with those people and getting a good rapport

00:53:08.789 --> 00:53:12.130
with them and, you know, it makes life a lot

00:53:12.130 --> 00:53:17.510
easier. Well, very good. Well, okay, I've checked

00:53:17.510 --> 00:53:21.119
the... The tweets or through those, I've checked

00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:23.199
the comments, we're through those. The phone

00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:27.099
isn't ringing. So I'm going to get the last question

00:53:27.099 --> 00:53:29.920
in for the night. And this may be the most important

00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:36.219
one of them all. Are you going to include a Ted's

00:53:36.219 --> 00:53:40.000
steamed cheeseburger in the field day? Oh, oh,

00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:43.239
geez. The Ted's steamed cheeseburger. Well, as

00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:45.539
you know, I got to watch my diet and the last

00:53:45.539 --> 00:53:50.530
Ted's I had. Was when I was with you so my goodness

00:53:50.530 --> 00:53:57.389
That was that was July Yeah, and and I and I

00:53:57.389 --> 00:54:03.230
moved further from Ted's. Oh No, oh my you don't

00:54:03.230 --> 00:54:06.469
know a steamed cheeseburger is a very central

00:54:06.469 --> 00:54:09.869
Connecticut thing So basically they literally

00:54:09.869 --> 00:54:12.349
steamed the meat and then they steamed this chunk

00:54:12.349 --> 00:54:16.090
of cheese and they pour over the top and it is

00:54:15.869 --> 00:54:18.929
Some people love them, I kind of tend to, but

00:54:18.929 --> 00:54:21.590
some people are like, eh, I don't know. But it's

00:54:21.590 --> 00:54:24.809
totally a Central Connecticut thing. So if you're

00:54:24.809 --> 00:54:32.510
ever coming up to visit HQ, ask for Paul and

00:54:32.510 --> 00:54:35.510
on SFV and he'll tell you where to find a good

00:54:35.510 --> 00:54:39.340
steamed cheeseburger. Yeah, there you go. I enjoyed

00:54:39.340 --> 00:54:42.340
my trip to Ted's with you and it's good that

00:54:42.340 --> 00:54:45.539
we could get away and do that one evening while

00:54:45.539 --> 00:54:50.920
I was up Newington Way. So I think that's going

00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:53.980
to do it, Paul. So we've got another week for

00:54:53.980 --> 00:54:57.460
questions. If people want to ask questions in

00:54:57.460 --> 00:55:01.300
this last week, tell them how to do it. All right.

00:55:01.300 --> 00:55:03.559
So you can send us an email and what is that

00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:07.519
email address? You can either send it to contests

00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:13.320
plural at a r l dot org uh... yet or or you can

00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:16.940
send it to uh... f d info field day info at a

00:55:16.940 --> 00:55:20.780
r r l dot o r g uh... you know is that or or

00:55:20.780 --> 00:55:23.480
my call sign uh... michael's i'll get to me direct

00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:27.579
the other ones are a uh... my uh... inbox monitored

00:55:27.579 --> 00:55:30.639
by more than one person so if i just happen and

00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.340
i want to know be moving or something uh... uh...

00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:36.960
But I usually do tend to get back to the emails,

00:55:37.099 --> 00:55:40.179
even the ones in my inbox, even though I am between

00:55:40.179 --> 00:55:42.280
two houses and we're working remotely from home,

00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:45.559
I usually try to check that mailbox at least

00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:51.099
several times a day, even when I'm off moving.

00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:55.820
Well, very good. We appreciate all of your work

00:55:55.820 --> 00:55:59.320
on field day and making this work and giving

00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:04.079
some options here for Doing this in the middle

00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:07.280
of a pandemic, it's a first for everybody, so

00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.619
we thank you ahead of time for all those hours

00:56:10.619 --> 00:56:14.019
you're going to have to put in extra to get all

00:56:14.019 --> 00:56:17.099
this scoring going, too. And I thank you for

00:56:17.099 --> 00:56:21.500
not using the term unprecedented times. Oh, yes.

00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:24.239
Well, you know, in these unprecedented times,

00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:28.099
we're all in this together. I was, you know,

00:56:28.219 --> 00:56:33.019
so buy our car. I think I tried to write for

00:56:33.019 --> 00:56:35.780
any of the, you know, the website or QST. I've

00:56:35.780 --> 00:56:39.519
been purposely, I understand this is unprecedented,

00:56:40.059 --> 00:56:42.719
but the term is just like, I gotta stop using

00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:47.519
that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got a whole big

00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:49.480
spiel on that. You probably don't want to hear

00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:55.639
it, but yeah. I think really, Neil, the whole

00:56:55.639 --> 00:57:01.500
crux of it is really be safe and really pay attention

00:57:01.500 --> 00:57:04.880
to what your local authorities are telling you

00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:06.579
to do. I think the biggest thing is to be safe.

00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:10.039
We want us all to be healthy. We want us all

00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:14.440
to see fuel day 2021. So again, I think safety

00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:18.159
is our first priority. And that is the perfect

00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:21.139
place to leave it. I think that's a very good

00:57:21.139 --> 00:57:23.260
place to end. So thank you, Paul, for being on

00:57:23.260 --> 00:57:26.579
the show. We appreciate it and enjoy the move.

00:57:28.610 --> 00:57:32.510
And I look forward to hearing more and seeing

00:57:32.510 --> 00:57:35.130
the place after the painting's done. All right,

00:57:35.190 --> 00:57:36.650
well, hey, thanks for having me on, Neil. It's

00:57:36.650 --> 00:57:39.909
always a pleasure. All right, thanks, Paul. Well,

00:57:40.010 --> 00:57:43.670
that is a wrap for this week's edition of HamTalk

00:57:43.670 --> 00:57:47.730
Live. Thanks to my guest, Paul Bork, N1SFE, and

00:57:47.730 --> 00:57:49.849
everybody out there in cyberspace for listening,

00:57:50.110 --> 00:57:52.929
calling in, typing in. And I invite you back

00:57:52.929 --> 00:57:55.750
next Thursday night, 9 p .m. Eastern Time. Kevin

00:57:55.750 --> 00:58:00.989
Zari, KK4YEL, and Robert Bankston, KE4AL, will

00:58:00.989 --> 00:58:05.030
be here to talk about satellite courtesy and

00:58:05.030 --> 00:58:08.190
running a special event. So you don't want to

00:58:08.190 --> 00:58:10.789
miss that. For a list of all of our upcoming

00:58:10.789 --> 00:58:13.329
guests, go to HamTalkLive .com. And if you like

00:58:13.329 --> 00:58:15.349
the show, please leave us a review. That's all

00:58:15.349 --> 00:58:19.829
we ask. So for now, this is Neil, WB9VPG, saying

00:58:19.829 --> 00:58:25.909
73. 7 -5 and may the good DX be yours.
