WEBVTT 00:00:11.119 --> 00:00:13.859 Thanks for tuning in. HamTalk Live will be on 00:00:13.859 --> 00:00:30.940 the air shortly. Please stand by. This episode 00:00:30.940 --> 00:00:34.539 of HamTalk Live is brought to you by Tower Electronics. 00:00:34.939 --> 00:00:39.240 For connectors, cables, and more, call 920 -435 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:45.960 -2973 or visit pl -259 .com. And by ICOM, heard 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:51.200 it, worked it, logged it. Visit www .icomamerica 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:54.899 .com slash amateur for more information about 00:00:54.899 --> 00:01:07.959 ICOM radios. Welcome to Amtoply Calling Let's 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:29.420 Stop, Neil's your guy Amtoply, here we go Hey, 00:01:29.540 --> 00:01:32.140 good evening, everyone. It's time for HamTalk 00:01:32.140 --> 00:01:36.099 Live episode number 235, the new Drake radio 00:01:36.099 --> 00:01:40.439 exhibit at the Voice of America Museum of Broadcasting 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:44.420 recorded live on Thursday, November 5th, 2020. 00:01:45.260 --> 00:01:48.739 I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9's VPG. Thanks for 00:01:48.739 --> 00:01:53.079 tuning in to this episode of HamTalk Live. Tonight, 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.939 we're joined by Jay Adric, KCJY. And Lee Hite, 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:01.480 K8 CLI, and we will take your calls a little 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:05.519 later in the show. Last week, Rob Sherwood in 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:08.719 C zero B was here to talk about the performance 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:12.580 of some of the latest radios on the market. 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You're listening 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:31.319 to HamTalk Live with Neil Rapp. Welcome back 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:35.399 to ham talk live. Thanks to icon for sponsoring 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.579 the show Make sure you check out all their equipment 00:06:38.579 --> 00:06:44.560 the new 705 the new ID 92 a Check that out at 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:52.189 icon America comm slash amateur Tonight, my guests 00:06:52.189 --> 00:06:57.170 are Jay Adrick and Lee Hite. Jay Adrick, KHCJY 00:06:57.170 --> 00:07:01.069 has been active in amateur radio since 1961. 00:07:01.930 --> 00:07:05.189 He's a 56 plus year veteran of the broadcast 00:07:05.189 --> 00:07:09.370 industry. In 2013, Jay retired from Harris Corporation 00:07:09.370 --> 00:07:12.610 as their vice president of broadcast technology, 00:07:13.310 --> 00:07:16.930 but continues as an industry consultant specializing 00:07:16.930 --> 00:07:20.199 in digital television systems. television spectrum 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:25.600 issues and the television spectrum repack. He 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:29.040 has been awarded the television engineering achievement 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:32.959 award by the national association of broadcasters, 00:07:33.060 --> 00:07:36.000 a fellow in the society of motion picture and 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:39.959 television engineers, the IEEE broadcast television 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:43.800 society and the society of broadcast engineers. 00:07:44.170 --> 00:07:46.730 Jay serves as a board member of the Voice of 00:07:46.730 --> 00:07:51.329 America Museum of Broadcasting. Lee Hite, K8 00:07:51.329 --> 00:07:54.069 CLI, is one of the lead docents and a board member 00:07:54.069 --> 00:07:57.209 at the National Voice of America Museum of Broadcasting. 00:07:57.910 --> 00:08:01.029 Lee is a retired electronics engineer with a 00:08:01.029 --> 00:08:04.509 passion for investigating technical issues, occasionally 00:08:04.509 --> 00:08:07.829 surrounded with mystery and often bridging several 00:08:07.829 --> 00:08:11.860 fields of technology. Lee was first licensed 00:08:11.860 --> 00:08:16.639 in 1954 and is active with the Mason, Ohio and 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.420 Warren County cert teams and he also engineers 00:08:20.420 --> 00:08:26.860 wind chimes and biomass briquette so Lee is the 00:08:26.860 --> 00:08:30.439 jack -of -all -trades and If you get a chance 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:34.659 to visit the museum Lee is the guy you want to 00:08:34.659 --> 00:08:38.620 talk to because he has the history of everything. 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:43.480 So Jay and Lee, welcome back to the show. Thank 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:47.600 you, Neil. Good to be here tonight. Yeah. Thank 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:49.500 you, Neil. Appreciate the invitation to come 00:08:49.500 --> 00:08:51.799 back and we're looking forward to the program. 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:54.980 Well, I think if I remember right you've both 00:08:54.980 --> 00:08:57.940 been on the show but not at the same time so 00:08:57.940 --> 00:09:01.019 So we've got you both at the same time here. 00:09:01.059 --> 00:09:04.360 Well We're gonna start off talking a little bit 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:07.899 about some of the history of Drake and then we're 00:09:07.899 --> 00:09:13.860 gonna get into The new exhibit that's been revamped 00:09:13.860 --> 00:09:18.570 here. So we're gonna start off with Jay And Jay, 00:09:18.870 --> 00:09:23.730 just give us a brief history of the whole Drake 00:09:23.730 --> 00:09:28.690 thing that was in southwest Ohio and how that 00:09:28.690 --> 00:09:32.590 all got started. Okay, very good. Well, Bob Drake 00:09:32.590 --> 00:09:36.610 was a native of Cincinnati and attended the University 00:09:36.610 --> 00:09:39.450 of Cincinnati, studied electrical engineering, 00:09:39.750 --> 00:09:44.110 graduated during the Depression in the latter 00:09:44.110 --> 00:09:49.120 part of the 1930s. He went to work right away 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:55.840 for Dayton Radio, a company that built radio 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:59.500 products and was there a short time and then 00:09:59.500 --> 00:10:05.720 moved on to work with Bill Lear in Lear's aviation 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:13.320 department. And he was at Lear until 1943. Of 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:16.340 course, the war was going on and he took a leap 00:10:16.340 --> 00:10:19.820 of faith and started his own company, R .L. Drake, 00:10:20.340 --> 00:10:23.899 based in Dayton, Ohio, a very small operation. 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:28.240 But he was able to secure a number of military 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.539 contracts to build filters and some power supplies 00:10:33.539 --> 00:10:38.320 and some test equipment and even a VHF receiver. 00:10:40.100 --> 00:10:44.850 So the company flourished. under Bob during the 00:10:44.850 --> 00:10:48.029 war years. And then of course, the war is over 00:10:48.029 --> 00:10:53.250 and the military is not buying products. So he 00:10:53.250 --> 00:10:57.149 had to kind of dig in and figure out how to keep 00:10:57.149 --> 00:11:00.470 the company going. And it was a pretty tough 00:11:00.470 --> 00:11:04.269 time for the better part of almost 10 years. 00:11:05.529 --> 00:11:10.480 He resorted to spring contacts for General Electric 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:15.519 for apparently for relays and that type of electrical 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:22.259 component. Did some chokes and coils and other 00:11:22.259 --> 00:11:27.120 components for Delco. Delco of course being based 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:33.279 in Dayton, Ohio at that time. And even resorted 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:39.519 to building lamps for S .S. Kresge. I know Lee 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:42.419 would love to find one of those lamps to add 00:11:42.419 --> 00:11:45.960 to the collection, but he hasn't been able to 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:54.399 turn one up yet. So in the early 50s, Bob, being 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:59.000 a ham, came up with a couple of amateur radio 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:03.840 products. The first products were filters because 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:09.700 this new thing called television had a problem 00:12:09.700 --> 00:12:13.720 with interference from from some ham transmitters 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:18.220 and he was very good at designing filters so 00:12:18.220 --> 00:12:22.860 he designed both high pass filters for the television 00:12:22.860 --> 00:12:26.440 receivers and low pass filters to put on the 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:31.389 output of the ham transmitters and I I definitely 00:12:31.389 --> 00:12:34.850 recall having a Drake filter on the output of 00:12:34.850 --> 00:12:40.529 my rig back in the 1960s. The other products 00:12:40.529 --> 00:12:43.830 they came up with, a phone patch and Q multiplier 00:12:43.830 --> 00:12:48.889 to improve receiver performance. Along about 00:12:48.889 --> 00:12:54.649 1956, Bob was really struggling to keep the company 00:12:54.649 --> 00:12:59.230 going and it resulted in some health issues and 00:12:59.230 --> 00:13:04.100 while he was out, confined to home, he designed 00:13:04.100 --> 00:13:08.740 a receiver for single sideband. And that receiver, 00:13:09.259 --> 00:13:15.639 known as the 1A, he built a prototype, tried 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:22.139 to sell the design under a license to manufacture 00:13:22.139 --> 00:13:26.480 to a number of companies, the old standards of 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:30.159 the time, National and Hammerland and Hallacrafters. 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:36.240 and even took it to RCA. None of them were really 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:42.460 interested. So then he took it to Gibby up at 00:13:42.460 --> 00:13:46.240 Universal Service in Columbus, Ohio. And Gibby 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:49.000 said, well, I'll tell you what, he said, I will 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:53.720 give you an order for the first 100 pieces. And 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:58.000 he also went over to Shrupco Electronics, which 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:02.210 was based in Dayton. And the fellow that ran 00:14:02.210 --> 00:14:05.889 Shrepco, Hyde Ruble, made a similar commitment. 00:14:06.269 --> 00:14:12.929 So the first 200 units were spoken for. And he 00:14:12.929 --> 00:14:15.470 was able to deliver first product in the latter 00:14:15.470 --> 00:14:19.769 part of 1957. It was quite an advancement. First 00:14:19.769 --> 00:14:23.210 of all, all the receivers in the time, you know, 00:14:23.309 --> 00:14:27.139 starting with the big HRO receivers and of course 00:14:27.139 --> 00:14:32.399 the Collins 75A4. Most of them were not designed 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:36.940 for single sideband. 75A4 of course was, but 00:14:36.940 --> 00:14:41.259 very, very pricey and very large. Not so with 00:14:41.259 --> 00:14:46.080 the 1A. The 1A was the size of a typical rural 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:50.159 mailbox, kind of shaped like that. It was narrow, 00:14:50.220 --> 00:14:56.700 tall, and About the same depth as a mailbox It 00:14:56.700 --> 00:15:00.320 was lightweight under under 20 pounds 12 tube 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:04.120 radio and designed specifically for single sideband 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:07.120 because Bob had Picked up on the benefits of 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.460 single sideband and really thought it was a great 00:15:09.460 --> 00:15:12.980 great approach So the receiver was an instant 00:15:12.980 --> 00:15:15.940 success particularly out here in the Midwest 00:15:15.940 --> 00:15:23.190 it took off and was the start of Bob's a real 00:15:23.190 --> 00:15:26.769 venture into amateur radio products. They followed 00:15:26.769 --> 00:15:32.470 that up in 1959 with the Drake 2A and shortly 00:15:32.470 --> 00:15:37.809 thereafter in 1961 the Drake 2B. All very familiar 00:15:37.809 --> 00:15:41.110 products for those of us who were around at that 00:15:41.110 --> 00:15:48.029 time in amateur radio. The 2B of course was probably 00:15:48.029 --> 00:15:53.879 one of the best sellers of the those three products. 00:15:54.379 --> 00:15:57.279 And I personally had a 2B for a period of time 00:15:57.279 --> 00:16:04.360 in my early ham radio days. So the company moved 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:08.779 from Dayton down to Miamisburg, Ohio. Miamisburg 00:16:08.779 --> 00:16:15.559 being a smaller town located southwest of downtown 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:20.179 Dayton, Ohio. Started out in the bomb opera house. 00:16:20.409 --> 00:16:24.929 building adjacent to the Opera House where they 00:16:24.929 --> 00:16:28.629 did their manufacturing of the 1A and the 2A 00:16:28.629 --> 00:16:32.610 and so forth. And that lasted for a while, but 00:16:32.610 --> 00:16:38.509 they needed a bigger facility as the orders came 00:16:38.509 --> 00:16:43.850 in. And at the same time, they set about designing 00:16:43.850 --> 00:16:49.990 a transceiver, a transmitter -receiver package. 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:54.440 Of course, Collins was out with the KWM -1 and 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:59.120 KWM -2, but they were again very pricey and Bob 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:01.019 was looking for something that was affordable, 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:04.980 kind of like the Henry Ford of automobiles, something 00:17:04.980 --> 00:17:07.980 that would be affordable by the common man. He 00:17:07.980 --> 00:17:10.019 had an engineer by the name of Sullivan that 00:17:10.019 --> 00:17:14.420 was working for him and they set about developing 00:17:14.420 --> 00:17:19.640 what became the TR -3. And as that matured into 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:22.859 a product, it was very obvious that the space 00:17:22.859 --> 00:17:28.900 they had at the Baum Opera House was not big 00:17:28.900 --> 00:17:33.740 enough. So they found new digs over at 540 Richard 00:17:33.740 --> 00:17:37.720 Street, not too far from the Opera House, and 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.599 a very famous address in in Miamisburg where 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.059 the majority of the amateur radio products were 00:17:45.059 --> 00:17:50.339 built. So that's kind of the start of things. 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:58.460 The TR -3 came out in 1963. So the three line, 00:17:59.059 --> 00:18:03.140 strictly the TR -3, then morphed into the four 00:18:03.140 --> 00:18:08.900 line and started with the R -4 receiver. And 00:18:08.900 --> 00:18:14.619 then the T -4, which was a companion transmitting 00:18:14.619 --> 00:18:21.170 device, that slaved to the R4 receiver, and then 00:18:21.170 --> 00:18:24.470 of course the T4X, which was a standalone transmitter. 00:18:25.269 --> 00:18:30.430 So those products went through several iterations. 00:18:32.390 --> 00:18:36.789 The R4 became the R4A, eventually the R4B, and 00:18:36.789 --> 00:18:44.609 the R4C, the T4, T4A, T4B, T4C, and so forth. 00:18:45.549 --> 00:18:52.750 As the company matured and developed with those 00:18:52.750 --> 00:18:57.109 products, there were a lot of add -ons that were 00:18:57.109 --> 00:19:04.609 developed, such as the transverters, the TC6 00:19:04.609 --> 00:19:09.109 and the TC2 that did VHF transverting from 14 00:19:09.109 --> 00:19:14.460 megahertz. converter called the CC1, actually 00:19:14.460 --> 00:19:19.640 converter cabinet with plug -in modules for six 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:23.059 and two meters and a calibrator and power supply. 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:27.200 And then, of course, things like wattmeters, 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:31.660 antenna tuners, and a very unique product that 00:19:31.660 --> 00:19:37.440 they came out with in the mid -60s was the C4, 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:42.259 which was a station control The C4 was a highly 00:19:42.259 --> 00:19:47.059 integrated device that had a phone patch, had 00:19:47.059 --> 00:19:55.559 the rotor controller for a high gain or a ham 00:19:55.559 --> 00:20:02.079 -ham type rotator. It had switching, power switching, 00:20:02.180 --> 00:20:04.400 so you could turn everything on and off from 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:08.079 one common point. It had audio switching, a number 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:12.799 of of features all integrated into a single box. 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:16.140 That was very, very unique. Also a wattmeter 00:20:16.140 --> 00:20:21.680 was part of it. So that was a unique item for 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:24.619 ham radio at the time. So you could build a complete 00:20:24.619 --> 00:20:30.140 station with all of the products from Drake and 00:20:30.140 --> 00:20:34.740 have a very functional 160 all the way through 00:20:34.740 --> 00:20:38.430 two meter. operation if you had all of the right 00:20:38.430 --> 00:20:44.089 boxes. Also, they developed two more transceivers, 00:20:44.309 --> 00:20:48.789 the TR4, and it came out in a number of different 00:20:48.789 --> 00:20:54.029 flavors over the period of time, TR4, TR4C, TR4CW, 00:20:54.369 --> 00:20:59.230 which was a version that incorporated a lot of 00:20:59.230 --> 00:21:02.630 CW functions. And then, of course, for six meters, 00:21:02.910 --> 00:21:08.079 the TR6. So those are all very popular products 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:13.759 that came out throughout the era of the 60s. 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:18.019 And the four line actually continued into the 00:21:18.019 --> 00:21:22.619 early 70s, 1974 I think was pretty much the end 00:21:22.619 --> 00:21:27.839 of the four line. And at that point in time, 00:21:27.940 --> 00:21:32.059 it was seeing quite a bit of competition from 00:21:32.059 --> 00:21:37.920 the Japanese products, which were solid -state. 00:21:39.220 --> 00:21:42.720 All the four -line products were primarily tube, 00:21:42.980 --> 00:21:45.859 but as they progressed through towards the C 00:21:45.859 --> 00:21:49.579 version, there were a number of solid -state 00:21:49.579 --> 00:21:58.400 additions, such as the PTO and other parts of 00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:01.319 the receiver, and for that matter, in the transmitter. 00:22:01.740 --> 00:22:06.460 but it was not a really a solid state rig. It 00:22:06.460 --> 00:22:13.319 was just a few additions of solid state. So the 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:17.299 progress from there was to go to a solid state 00:22:17.299 --> 00:22:24.140 radio and that work was the TR -5 and eventually 00:22:24.140 --> 00:22:29.460 the seven line, the TR -7 and that was an R -7. 00:22:32.059 --> 00:22:36.400 that also went with it. And of course, for the 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:39.440 four line, they also developed an amplifier, 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:46.160 the L4, L4B, which I would point out that we 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:51.059 have virtually all of those components on display 00:22:51.059 --> 00:22:56.019 as part of the Drake display out at the museum. 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:00.700 We'll talk more about that as we move through 00:23:00.700 --> 00:23:04.900 the evening. Lee's done a fabulous job of pulling 00:23:04.900 --> 00:23:11.339 everything together. So, unfortunately, Bob, 00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:16.059 well, first of all, fortunately, Bob pulled in 00:23:16.059 --> 00:23:18.880 some great engineers to work with the company. 00:23:19.940 --> 00:23:22.259 One of the young engineers who started actually 00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:25.480 as a high school student was Steve Kugler. And 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:28.380 Steve went on eventually to own part of the company 00:23:28.380 --> 00:23:37.980 long after Bob had passed away. So Bob was quite 00:23:37.980 --> 00:23:41.140 a boss, the kind of boss I think that you'd want 00:23:41.140 --> 00:23:45.819 to work for. He was very personable and a fellow 00:23:45.819 --> 00:23:51.599 that cared about his employees and really supported 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:57.210 their their work and their activities. And if 00:23:57.210 --> 00:24:00.869 they had problems, he was a guy that was there 00:24:00.869 --> 00:24:11.569 to help them. So Bob developed prostate cancer 00:24:11.569 --> 00:24:18.670 in the latter part of the 1970s and passed away 00:24:18.670 --> 00:24:24.859 I believe in 1978. Might have been a little bit 00:24:24.859 --> 00:24:28.339 earlier than that. Anyway, so the company was 00:24:28.339 --> 00:24:34.460 left to his wife. His wife, Bob and his wife 00:24:34.460 --> 00:24:38.539 had three sons and a daughter. One of the sons, 00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:43.880 Peter, took over the company. The daughter, Nancy, 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:51.720 also joined the company and they... carried on 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:57.339 the operation. But the amateur radio activities 00:24:57.339 --> 00:25:04.140 kind of started winding down in the latter part 00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:09.619 of the 70s. First of all, there were a lot of 00:25:09.619 --> 00:25:15.740 things going on in the electronic world. The 00:25:15.740 --> 00:25:18.480 satellite, home satellite business was beginning 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:23.339 to take off. and they developed some products 00:25:23.339 --> 00:25:27.960 for that area. They had also developed some commercial 00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:36.000 gear for shipboard radio stations, shipboard 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:40.460 maritime operations, where at that point in time, 00:25:41.259 --> 00:25:49.319 every ship, ocean going vessel had to have an 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:54.640 HF communications link. This was obviously pre 00:25:54.640 --> 00:26:00.940 -satellite communications days. So the company 00:26:00.940 --> 00:26:09.240 started to outgrow the Richard Street plant and 00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:12.599 Peter purchased some land over in Franklin, Ohio 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:18.630 and built a new plant to house the operation, 00:26:18.630 --> 00:26:22.829 particularly because of the satellite work that 00:26:22.829 --> 00:26:26.190 they were getting into. I'd point out, by the 00:26:26.190 --> 00:26:32.309 way, that as they were developing the TR -7, 00:26:32.910 --> 00:26:39.130 there were two guys that went on to fame in another 00:26:39.130 --> 00:26:42.650 electronic area, both being hams, by the way. 00:26:43.089 --> 00:26:47.430 One is Jim Jager. Jim was a very talented, and 00:26:47.430 --> 00:26:50.309 still is, a very talented design engineer who 00:26:50.309 --> 00:26:54.069 worked on the TR -7, and then Mike Valentine. 00:26:55.450 --> 00:27:03.450 Mike is a very active ham today. He has his own 00:27:03.450 --> 00:27:06.369 company, Valentine Research, which builds radar 00:27:06.369 --> 00:27:12.190 detectors. But Mike and Jim left Drake and started 00:27:12.190 --> 00:27:14.869 Cincinnati Microwave, which made the escort radar 00:27:14.869 --> 00:27:18.250 detector. So there were a lot of folks that came 00:27:18.250 --> 00:27:21.470 out of the Drake operation, as well as those 00:27:21.470 --> 00:27:25.549 that were there for a lengthy period of time. 00:27:27.329 --> 00:27:31.390 So the amateur radio products wound down. The 00:27:31.390 --> 00:27:37.609 satellite products became the mainstay. And another 00:27:37.609 --> 00:27:44.440 area that they went into was to develop cable 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:49.299 TV products, but not for the big MSOs, the multiple 00:27:49.299 --> 00:27:53.059 system operators, but rather for the smaller 00:27:53.059 --> 00:27:55.240 cable systems. Like, for example, if you lived 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:58.460 in an apartment building and the apartment complex 00:27:58.460 --> 00:28:02.039 put their own satellite antennas in and their 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:06.000 own cable distribution and modulators for channels 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.740 as well as channel converters to bring in the 00:28:09.740 --> 00:28:16.160 local stations. The correct name for that type 00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:21.099 of product is SMA TV, small market antenna TV. 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:27.579 And they developed a whole series of those products, 00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:30.640 both in the analog world and later as television 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:35.000 went digital, they developed a series of digital 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:40.410 cable products. And that's kind of how Drake 00:28:40.410 --> 00:28:46.829 ended up being sold eventually to a company called 00:28:46.829 --> 00:28:51.569 Blondertong. Blondertong is a company out of 00:28:51.569 --> 00:28:59.250 New Jersey that made modulators and channel converters 00:28:59.250 --> 00:29:02.630 and demodulators and a lot of other products 00:29:02.630 --> 00:29:05.589 that are used in the cable television industry. 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:09.920 and they ended up acquiring RL Drake in 2012, 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:18.460 which is kind of the lead -in to where the Drake 00:29:18.460 --> 00:29:24.200 collection at the VOA came about. Bob Drake was 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:29.880 very proud of the products. we need to we need 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.099 to take a break we're already uh... over time 00:29:33.099 --> 00:29:36.119 for a break so we're going to come back and we're 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:40.619 going to take a look at uh... the exhibit itself 00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:43.839 and where where that came from and take your 00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:46.960 calls right after this word from tower electronics 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:52.369 right here on ham talk live I'm sorry to bother 00:29:52.369 --> 00:29:54.750 you, but I'm having an antenna party and I ran 00:29:54.750 --> 00:29:58.609 out of PL -259s. Oh, come in. Thank you. Would 00:29:58.609 --> 00:30:02.250 silver -plated PL -259s from Tower Electronics 00:30:02.250 --> 00:30:05.289 be too good for your guests? Those will be fine, 00:30:05.490 --> 00:30:08.769 thank you. You saved my life the other night. 00:30:09.190 --> 00:30:13.009 Oh, the PL -259s from Tower Electronics? Yes, 00:30:13.029 --> 00:30:15.349 they were very successful at the antenna party. 00:30:15.670 --> 00:30:19.029 My antenna works like a charm. Then how can you 00:30:19.029 --> 00:30:21.470 ever thank me? I'll try to think of something. 00:30:21.869 --> 00:30:25.049 Don't be caught without PL259's. Visit Tower 00:30:25.049 --> 00:30:27.910 Electronics at a ham fest near you or visit them 00:30:27.910 --> 00:30:33.369 online anytime at PL -259 .com or call 920 -435 00:30:33.369 --> 00:30:37.230 -2973. They have adapters, cables, antennas, 00:30:37.529 --> 00:30:40.509 soldering supplies, and meters too. Join the 00:30:40.509 --> 00:30:46.890 conversation. Give us a call at 859 -982 -7373. 00:30:47.170 --> 00:30:52.690 Again, the number to call is 859 -982 -7373. 00:30:52.930 --> 00:30:56.150 Or if you'd rather type than talk, tweet us at 00:30:56.150 --> 00:30:59.789 HamTalk Live. Now, here's Neil Rapp with more 00:30:59.789 --> 00:31:04.049 HamTalk Live. You're listening to HamTalk Live, 00:31:04.170 --> 00:31:06.609 the most popular podcast with the words ham, 00:31:06.890 --> 00:31:09.740 talk, and live in the title. Here's your host, 00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:42.119 Neil Rapp. Tower electronics is gonna be in Bedford, 00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:46.200 Indiana this weekend and actually had had dinner 00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.319 with Scott and Jill today. It's great to see 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.220 them from tower electronics. They're just down 00:31:52.220 --> 00:31:57.680 the road here and Bedford, Indiana hamfest Mitchell 00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:03.539 Indiana November 7th, that's Saturday and and 00:32:03.539 --> 00:32:08.990 by the way, I I just Just found out today, you 00:32:08.990 --> 00:32:11.509 know We were we were having dinner and and we 00:32:11.509 --> 00:32:14.329 talked about a lot of things and caught up on 00:32:14.329 --> 00:32:17.769 a lot of things But but I was able to talk Scott 00:32:17.769 --> 00:32:21.250 into a free bag with every purchase at Bedford 00:32:21.250 --> 00:32:26.210 this weekend. So So there you go No, seriously, 00:32:26.210 --> 00:32:30.569 he said If you say you heard this on HamTalk 00:32:30.569 --> 00:32:34.490 Live tonight, you will get a free gift at the 00:32:34.490 --> 00:32:37.769 Medford HamFest. 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Be sure to check us out on Facebook, Twitter, 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.160 and Instagram. And before we get back to Lee 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:30.079 and Jay talking about the Exhibit it is time 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.920 for the ham talk live ham radio joke the week 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.460 within nine Gsu now it's time for the ham talk 00:33:37.460 --> 00:33:40.680 live ham radio joke of the week the part of the 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.720 show where rick tells us a ham radio joke the 00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.559 ham talk live ham radio joke of the week is brought 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:50.599 to you by qrm labs now here's rick garrett in 00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:54.759 nine gsu with today's ham talk live joke of the 00:33:54.759 --> 00:34:02.990 week I inadvertently offended a fellow ham so 00:34:02.990 --> 00:34:06.849 I sent him an apology in CW. It was in remorse 00:34:06.849 --> 00:34:11.630 code. This has been the ham talk live ham radio 00:34:11.630 --> 00:34:15.650 joke of the week with Rick Garrett in 9GSU. Tune 00:34:15.650 --> 00:34:18.530 in again next week for another joke from Rick. 00:34:21.730 --> 00:34:27.579 Okay there we go. Oh my goodness. Remorse. code. 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.780 Well, there it is. Thank you, Rick. You'll be 00:34:30.780 --> 00:34:34.860 back again next week for another joke of the 00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:37.780 week. So we'll take your calls here in just a 00:34:37.780 --> 00:34:42.639 little bit, but we still have a ton of stuff 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:46.059 to talk about here. So we're going to try to 00:34:46.059 --> 00:34:48.139 move through this quickly. So we have some time 00:34:48.139 --> 00:34:51.940 to get some calls here, but Jay, you were leading 00:34:51.940 --> 00:34:55.639 right into, and this is a tremendous story of 00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:01.099 how all this got started and what happened to 00:35:01.099 --> 00:35:05.420 the business, but that really leads into the 00:35:05.420 --> 00:35:09.880 origins of this collection that's now at the 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:14.500 Voice of America Museum in Westchester, Cincinnati, 00:35:14.739 --> 00:35:18.119 Ohio, if you will. So tell us a little bit about 00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:22.880 how all of that transitions into the exhibit. 00:35:24.890 --> 00:35:30.170 So, in 2012, when the company was sold, a lot 00:35:30.170 --> 00:35:33.469 of people recognized the fact that the collection 00:35:33.469 --> 00:35:36.969 that was on display in the lobby at the Franklin 00:35:36.969 --> 00:35:41.150 facility, which really started with Bob squirming 00:35:41.150 --> 00:35:44.130 away one of everything that came off the line 00:35:44.130 --> 00:35:49.809 in the closet. It was beautifully displayed in 00:35:49.809 --> 00:35:54.260 the lobby of the company. I realized that Blondertongue 00:35:54.260 --> 00:35:57.760 really had no interest in that collection and 00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.000 it really needed to remain in southwestern Ohio 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:06.940 to memorialize the great company that Bob Drake 00:36:06.940 --> 00:36:13.480 started. So we made a pitch to Blondertongue 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:17.219 and it had a lot of help from Steve Kubler and 00:36:17.219 --> 00:36:22.239 Bill Frost to former employees. of R .L. Drake 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:28.139 and we were able to strike a deal for a permanent 00:36:28.139 --> 00:36:34.139 loan of the collection to the museum and actually 00:36:34.139 --> 00:36:39.179 Steve and Bob brought it down and helped initially 00:36:39.179 --> 00:36:41.800 get it on to display. Now it sat there for a 00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:45.380 number of years without a lot of guidance and 00:36:45.380 --> 00:36:47.539 then along comes this guy by the name of Lee 00:36:47.539 --> 00:36:50.480 Hite. And I think he should pick up and tell 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:53.260 us a little bit more about what he's done. Yeah, 00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.639 Lee, you put this together, but recently you 00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.659 really did a nice revamp on this. So tell us 00:36:59.659 --> 00:37:02.980 about the changes that you've made to this exhibit. 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.639 Yeah, sure. We'll do here, Neil. And thanks, 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:10.619 Jay. As Jay mentioned, when it came down from 00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:13.900 Miamisburg out of the lobby for R .L. Drake, 00:37:14.170 --> 00:37:17.969 It was an enormous collection. We were somewhat 00:37:17.969 --> 00:37:21.949 space limited. And so everything in that collection 00:37:21.949 --> 00:37:26.650 got pushed into three display cabinets. And when 00:37:26.650 --> 00:37:29.889 you see the pictures from the R .L. Drake lobby, 00:37:30.469 --> 00:37:33.730 they had very large display cabinets. They had 00:37:33.730 --> 00:37:36.969 room for all of this. Unfortunately, in our display 00:37:36.969 --> 00:37:39.289 cabinets, they were, it was very crowded. Things 00:37:39.289 --> 00:37:42.530 were just pushed in there. You could see them. 00:37:43.289 --> 00:37:46.630 But it was it was awfully crowded. So we took 00:37:46.630 --> 00:37:49.449 on the project of taking everything out of the 00:37:49.449 --> 00:37:52.090 cabinets. And I got rid. I didn't get rid of 00:37:52.090 --> 00:37:54.610 I put up in our archives all the duplicates. 00:37:54.610 --> 00:37:58.690 We had a lot of duplicates. And so I wanted to 00:37:58.690 --> 00:38:01.969 keep just individual items that were representative 00:38:01.969 --> 00:38:05.030 of when they were introduced. And so they've 00:38:05.030 --> 00:38:08.929 all been staged chronologically. from the time 00:38:08.929 --> 00:38:11.690 the A1 well actually from the time of the filters 00:38:11.690 --> 00:38:14.769 we have I think one of every filter that Bob 00:38:14.769 --> 00:38:20.250 designed. So we have the filters and then beginning 00:38:20.250 --> 00:38:23.389 with the A1 receiver all the way through the 00:38:23.389 --> 00:38:29.269 digital phase spread out and the unusual thing 00:38:29.269 --> 00:38:32.630 I did here that I have not done anywhere else 00:38:32.630 --> 00:38:38.059 in the museum There's signage on each piece of 00:38:38.059 --> 00:38:40.159 equipment, the model number, and the year that 00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:44.039 it was introduced. The unusual thing is I also 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.480 include the weight of the device, and that's 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:50.300 for a very specific reason. One of the things 00:38:50.300 --> 00:38:53.980 that Drake became very famous for was solving 00:38:53.980 --> 00:38:59.000 the weight problem that was deliberately designed 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:04.030 by Hammerlin, National, and Helicopters. to provide 00:39:04.030 --> 00:39:08.349 stability for their receivers. Their local oscillator 00:39:08.349 --> 00:39:11.590 in the receiver was the traditional resonant 00:39:11.590 --> 00:39:15.170 circuit that you would tune through to do the 00:39:15.170 --> 00:39:21.409 band pass tuning. And if you would bump the case, 00:39:22.050 --> 00:39:24.409 I think anyone that's used an old receiver would 00:39:24.409 --> 00:39:27.369 kind of get familiar with the wobbling sound 00:39:27.369 --> 00:39:32.150 that could occur. as an instability in the receiver, 00:39:32.309 --> 00:39:36.570 just because the physical coil or capacitor was 00:39:36.570 --> 00:39:39.429 moving a little bit. Bob Drake did something 00:39:39.429 --> 00:39:43.309 highly innovative, and he came up with this phase 00:39:43.309 --> 00:39:48.530 -lock loop, and that reduced... Hamelin and Helicrafters 00:39:48.530 --> 00:39:50.510 and National deliberately made their receivers 00:39:50.510 --> 00:39:54.269 heavy. Just as an example... When you see the 00:39:54.269 --> 00:39:57.849 collection, I have at one end, I have a Helicrafters 00:39:57.849 --> 00:40:01.230 receiver that weighs 85 pounds. At the other 00:40:01.230 --> 00:40:04.289 end, I have a National that weighs 95 pounds. 00:40:05.030 --> 00:40:09.809 And Bob Drake, when he did the A1 receiver, as 00:40:09.809 --> 00:40:12.570 Jay mentioned, it's lightweight, it's 19 pounds. 00:40:14.090 --> 00:40:17.690 And technically, specification -wise and performance 00:40:17.690 --> 00:40:21.510 -wise far exceeded the performance of those three 00:40:21.510 --> 00:40:24.820 receivers in stability. and performance also. 00:40:25.460 --> 00:40:28.579 So one of the reasons for putting weight on all 00:40:28.579 --> 00:40:30.559 this stuff was weight was a really big deal. 00:40:30.980 --> 00:40:35.559 And it's nice to see these smaller products perform 00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.460 as well or better than the great big heavy ones. 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:45.519 So it's nice to see the spread of products and 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:48.239 innovativeness that was going on at RL Drake 00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:54.179 at the time. When you come to the museum, You'll 00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:56.119 see a lot of other things. We have a lot of other 00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:59.099 amateur. We have a Collins collection and a collection 00:40:59.099 --> 00:41:02.639 of other items. You'll see those, but one of 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:06.139 the things you might consider doing is when you 00:41:06.139 --> 00:41:09.900 look at all of this Drake equipment that's produced, 00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:14.119 they had a linear that they could produce a kilowatt, 00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:18.179 is then step into the other room and see what 00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:21.480 it takes to produce 250 ,000 watts. We have opened 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:25.480 up the Collins transmitter, and you can literally 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:28.440 walk through that. And it's an interesting tour. 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:33.019 Just getting B+. How do you get 17 ,000 volts 00:41:33.019 --> 00:41:38.199 to the plate on a final amplifier tube? So look 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:40.619 at the Drake, and then go over and look at the 00:41:40.619 --> 00:41:44.320 Collins, and you'll get a real education on the 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:49.199 evolution of power in the business. So that's 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:53.010 kind of a snapshot, Neil. Yeah, and one thing 00:41:53.010 --> 00:41:56.449 I really like about the Collins, the big one, 00:41:57.389 --> 00:42:02.130 which was in use at the Voice of America facility, 00:42:02.849 --> 00:42:07.090 is that you've gone through and just labeled 00:42:07.090 --> 00:42:09.530 everything and pinpointed everything to where 00:42:09.530 --> 00:42:17.070 you can see every part and it really makes that 00:42:18.299 --> 00:42:21.880 transmitter a lot more interesting when you can 00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:27.679 see just exactly where everything goes and it's 00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.300 it's something you need to see if you can if 00:42:30.300 --> 00:42:36.090 you can get there well Jay I know that that Collection 00:42:36.090 --> 00:42:42.610 from from Drake Was not a Totally complete collection. 00:42:42.610 --> 00:42:45.670 I know that most of those were like, you know 00:42:45.670 --> 00:42:49.650 the first one off of the line, but But it wasn't 00:42:49.650 --> 00:42:53.670 complete and there are some pretty rare Items 00:42:53.670 --> 00:42:57.269 in there and some of those are yours So tell 00:42:57.269 --> 00:42:59.690 us about some of the items that people are going 00:42:59.690 --> 00:43:02.289 to see in this exhibit that they may not be able 00:43:02.289 --> 00:43:06.050 to see anywhere else Well, first of all, we've 00:43:06.050 --> 00:43:08.530 got some of the World War two products so we've 00:43:08.530 --> 00:43:14.590 got a power supply we've got filters and I think 00:43:14.590 --> 00:43:18.909 a piece of test equipment products that That 00:43:18.909 --> 00:43:21.530 you would not find in the typical amateur radio 00:43:21.530 --> 00:43:24.110 collection again Lee's looking very hard for 00:43:24.110 --> 00:43:32.929 that Kresge lamp But I I have a fairly decent 00:43:32.929 --> 00:43:40.989 collection of C -line, 4C line gear, and an L4B, 00:43:41.389 --> 00:43:45.630 and of course the TC6, TC2, and I have a TR6 00:43:45.630 --> 00:43:48.949 and a TR4 and so forth. But Lee who twisted my 00:43:48.949 --> 00:43:51.610 arm real hard one day at a board meeting and 00:43:51.610 --> 00:43:57.210 I turned my L4B over, which was beautifully restored, 00:43:57.989 --> 00:44:02.849 over to the museum. for display. That's not really 00:44:02.849 --> 00:44:07.070 that rare. But I do also have, I would say, almost 00:44:07.070 --> 00:44:11.630 a mint condition C4 station control with all 00:44:11.630 --> 00:44:16.210 of the peripherals. And Lee was able to talk 00:44:16.210 --> 00:44:21.989 that out of me, too. Those are blank spots in 00:44:21.989 --> 00:44:26.989 the ham shack here, and they're on display at 00:44:26.989 --> 00:44:31.739 the museum. happily sharing those with the Ham 00:44:31.739 --> 00:44:34.400 community. And we very much appreciate that, 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.159 Jay. They are an important part of the collection. 00:44:39.699 --> 00:44:43.840 I didn't even remember the rotor control and 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.920 phone patch and everything integrated. I do not 00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:50.480 even remember that. I remember using the four 00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:55.949 -line at Field Day growing up. But I just I don't 00:44:55.949 --> 00:44:58.949 even remember that one so and I and phone patches 00:44:58.949 --> 00:45:02.949 just fascinated me at that point so I'm surprised. 00:45:02.989 --> 00:45:06.670 I don't remember that one well We have two or 00:45:06.670 --> 00:45:10.170 three phone patches on display. Oh That's cool. 00:45:10.409 --> 00:45:12.710 Well if somebody wants to come and see the exhibit 00:45:12.710 --> 00:45:16.769 Lee How how would they do that and and find out 00:45:16.769 --> 00:45:20.250 more information about the museum and and if 00:45:20.250 --> 00:45:23.809 you want to operate? at the museum. How do you 00:45:23.809 --> 00:45:29.630 do that? We are open every weekend Saturday and 00:45:29.630 --> 00:45:33.349 Sunday 1 to 4 p .m. and with the current COVID 00:45:33.349 --> 00:45:38.949 -19 situation we do require a mask and all of 00:45:38.949 --> 00:45:42.710 the personnel on duty at the time, the docents, 00:45:43.130 --> 00:45:46.190 also wear a mask. So we are trying to be very 00:45:46.190 --> 00:45:50.599 cautious and careful about the virus. And the 00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:54.400 other good thing is that over the last several 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:57.260 years, I've put signage on almost everything 00:45:57.260 --> 00:46:00.780 in that museum. So you can very much do a self 00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:03.780 -guided tour. We're not so much doing docent 00:46:03.780 --> 00:46:07.820 guided tours because of the virus. They will 00:46:07.820 --> 00:46:11.360 be available to answer questions, but you can 00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:14.699 go through the Collins, the 250 KW transmitter, 00:46:14.699 --> 00:46:19.739 the control room. the Drake exhibit and what 00:46:19.739 --> 00:46:22.039 we call the great history of wireless which are 00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:27.079 two rooms full of antique wireless. So Saturday 00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:31.500 and Sunday 1 to 4 p .m. come see us and I think 00:46:31.500 --> 00:46:34.559 you will be quite amazed at what's in that building. 00:46:36.350 --> 00:46:39.369 It really is a treat and and you know bring your 00:46:39.369 --> 00:46:42.969 license along and you can Get on some of the 00:46:42.969 --> 00:46:45.449 modern equipment and a little bit of vintage 00:46:45.449 --> 00:46:47.769 equipment But there's there's all kinds of modern 00:46:47.769 --> 00:46:52.210 icon stuff in there and some others That you 00:46:52.210 --> 00:46:56.690 can operate from the museum as well. So if you 00:46:56.690 --> 00:47:00.550 get a chance Westchester, Ohio Northside of Cincinnati 00:47:00.550 --> 00:47:06.210 Saturdays and Sundays one to four Eastern time 00:47:06.210 --> 00:47:10.969 and check them out at voamuseum .org and it's 00:47:10.969 --> 00:47:13.750 time for your phone calls right now so if you 00:47:13.750 --> 00:47:16.769 have a question for Jay or for Lee give us a 00:47:16.769 --> 00:47:27.639 call at 859 -982 -7373 again it's 859 -982 73 00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:30.460 73 or you can tweet us at ham talk live and if 00:47:30.460 --> 00:47:34.320 you're listening to us on WTWW or on the podcast 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.739 edition You're you're not gonna reach us because 00:47:36.739 --> 00:47:41.820 we're doing this on Thursday night here and We're 00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:44.639 gonna go over time here a little bit and and 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:48.539 answer some questions So we already have a call 00:47:48.539 --> 00:47:52.000 on the line. So let's go to the phones. Welcome 00:47:52.000 --> 00:48:04.119 to ham talk live Hello? Oh, hello. Yes, you're 00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:13.739 on. My name is... Okay. My name is David, W -5XU. 00:48:14.780 --> 00:48:17.599 I'm in Covington, Louisiana, just north of New 00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:23.400 Orleans. I enjoyed the program. Hi, David. Well, 00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:26.380 welcome. Do you have a question here for Jay 00:48:26.380 --> 00:48:30.690 or for Lee? Well, I have a comment. One, the 00:48:30.690 --> 00:48:35.250 TR5 was actually manufactured after the introduction 00:48:35.250 --> 00:48:38.489 of the TR7. That's correct. Yes, you're right. 00:48:40.309 --> 00:48:45.530 TR7 came out and was very expensive and they 00:48:45.530 --> 00:48:52.050 basically made a solid state TR4. Oh, I hear 00:48:52.050 --> 00:48:54.230 myself on the computer. Let me turn that down. 00:48:55.230 --> 00:49:01.289 And also they were investigating a new radio 00:49:01.289 --> 00:49:08.050 which would have taken the place of the TR7. 00:49:08.489 --> 00:49:14.250 They had a preliminary nomenclature of TR8. I 00:49:14.250 --> 00:49:20.690 know of two of the prototypes of that TR8. I 00:49:20.690 --> 00:49:25.860 have one of them. and the other is that they 00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:30.860 also made a prototype of a new amplifier called 00:49:30.860 --> 00:49:42.900 the L85 and also they had a kind of a modified 00:49:42.900 --> 00:49:48.380 TR7 that was I believe used as the testbed for 00:49:48.380 --> 00:49:52.820 the TR8 and I have that as well. All these are 00:49:52.820 --> 00:49:58.500 functional. However, there's no documentation. 00:49:58.619 --> 00:50:02.300 I have tried all over the world to see if I can 00:50:02.300 --> 00:50:07.420 find documentation on those radios and they're 00:50:07.420 --> 00:50:11.760 none to be had. So I just wanted to point it 00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:15.000 out. I enjoyed the talk and I was hoping that 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.599 if anyone had any of that documentation, I could 00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:19.260 get a hold of them and see if I could get some 00:50:19.260 --> 00:50:22.909 of that. It's our understanding that the documentation 00:50:22.909 --> 00:50:27.110 for all of that was destroyed. And I'm surprised 00:50:27.110 --> 00:50:33.949 to even hear that the TR -8 was out there. I 00:50:33.949 --> 00:50:35.989 understand that there was one that was actually 00:50:35.989 --> 00:50:41.510 destroyed when they cleaned out all of the amateur 00:50:41.510 --> 00:50:43.670 radio stuff a couple years after they ceased 00:50:43.670 --> 00:50:47.210 operations. I really appreciate you calling. 00:50:48.579 --> 00:50:52.239 Yeah, let's say here Lee may have some kind of 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:54.780 lead on so if anybody has a lead on it, it's 00:50:54.780 --> 00:50:57.500 Lee. So yeah, I appreciate you calling in. I've 00:50:57.500 --> 00:50:59.800 been looking for a TRA and I realize they're 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:02.159 rare and I'm probably not going to find it, but 00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.019 I appreciate you calling in and identifying that 00:51:05.019 --> 00:51:10.079 you have one. I think that's really great. Is 00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:12.019 it possible you could share a picture of that 00:51:12.019 --> 00:51:15.340 with us at some point in time? Well, remember 00:51:15.340 --> 00:51:18.920 I can I can if you give me the the link I will 00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:22.599 send you some photographs of these radios They're 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.659 not finished there. They're obviously in a in 00:51:25.659 --> 00:51:28.840 a You know, let's see if this will work mode 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:33.280 if you recall sure if you recall the TR7 was 00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:38.960 supposed to come out with a with a encoder based 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:46.559 PTO Correct. But they couldn't develop, according 00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:49.000 to what I have been told, they couldn't develop 00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:55.519 that encoder -based PTO in time to put it into 00:51:55.519 --> 00:52:00.239 the TR7. So the TR7 basically used the same PTO 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:08.239 as the TR4 line. Then when it was eventually 00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:13.429 perfected and made available, They use that in 00:52:13.429 --> 00:52:18.349 the TR5. So the TR5, although it's an earlier 00:52:18.349 --> 00:52:21.269 number, it's actually a later radio that came 00:52:21.269 --> 00:52:26.809 out after the TR7, and the TR5 has that solid 00:52:26.809 --> 00:52:31.010 state encoder. I have a TR5 as well, and it's 00:52:31.010 --> 00:52:35.550 very, very stable. There aren't too many of those 00:52:35.550 --> 00:52:42.010 TR5s left, because I understand Closing the factory 00:52:42.010 --> 00:52:46.730 down and in a big accident Where TR5s were scattered 00:52:46.730 --> 00:52:49.530 all over the road there's only a couple of hundred 00:52:49.530 --> 00:52:53.210 of those radios left You're very much correct, 00:52:53.349 --> 00:52:55.630 and that's one of the ones I'm looking for for 00:52:55.630 --> 00:53:02.010 the collection. We do not have a TR5 Well every 00:53:02.010 --> 00:53:05.690 once in a while that can't they come up for sale 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.739 If you send me your link, I will send you one 00:53:10.739 --> 00:53:16.639 that's on for sale right now. However, the performance 00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:23.059 of the TR -5, except for the PTO, is not as convenient 00:53:23.059 --> 00:53:30.820 as the TR -7. TR -7 is a very easy, intuitive 00:53:30.820 --> 00:53:35.400 radio to use, and there's still many, many of 00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:39.329 those out and being used. So anyway, I just thought 00:53:39.329 --> 00:53:43.909 you may wish to know that there was a step beyond 00:53:43.909 --> 00:53:48.969 that that apparently still exists. I understand 00:53:48.969 --> 00:53:52.170 that there are actually two of the prototype 00:53:52.170 --> 00:53:56.389 of the TR8s. I've only seen one, the one that 00:53:56.389 --> 00:53:59.590 I have, but I understand that there's another 00:53:59.590 --> 00:54:02.710 one out there which I've never been able to identify 00:54:02.710 --> 00:54:06.719 where it is. But appreciate your show, sir. thank 00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.079 you very good thank you thank you for calling 00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:12.539 and yeah if you can send us uh jay if you've 00:54:12.539 --> 00:54:14.420 got some place or if you want to show them to 00:54:14.420 --> 00:54:16.760 me i can forward them to you guys what whatever 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:20.679 you want to do very simple it's k8cjy at a double 00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:31.659 rl dot org is that org cjy k8cjy right k8cjy 00:54:31.659 --> 00:54:35.940 at a double rl dot net All right, I'll send you 00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:40.460 some information Good. Thank you very much Very 00:54:40.460 --> 00:54:44.099 good. Thank you so much You're welcome. Thank 00:54:44.099 --> 00:54:46.139 you. Appreciate your show. All right. Have a 00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:50.760 good night. Thank you Good night. Good night 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:55.019 Thanks for no guys We can, we can add to it. 00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:58.860 So, all right. Well, we've got another call. 00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.039 So let's see if we can take another call. Good 00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:06.219 evening. Welcome to am talk live. Hi, good evening. 00:55:06.659 --> 00:55:11.960 My name is Peter seven Papa Sierra in Grand Forks, 00:55:11.980 --> 00:55:14.179 British Columbia, right on the U S border, both 00:55:14.179 --> 00:55:19.159 halfway across the problem. And thanks for calling. 00:55:21.420 --> 00:55:24.739 Well, it's been entertaining. Drake has been 00:55:24.739 --> 00:55:28.320 part of my life since 1970, February of 1970 00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:32.159 when I got my first Drake 2C. And unfortunately, 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:35.860 it's gone a bit haywire since then, but that's 00:55:35.860 --> 00:55:38.559 fine. It's been a great love over the years. 00:55:39.739 --> 00:55:42.159 Lee and Jay, I want to thank you for giving this 00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:46.320 presentation tonight. Very informative. I have 00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:50.460 not been to the museum yet in Cincinnati, and 00:55:50.460 --> 00:55:52.280 I look forward to doing that. I've been to Dayton 00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:54.980 many, many times, been involved with the forum, 00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:58.780 the Drake Forum there for many years, but have 00:55:58.780 --> 00:56:01.099 never made it down to the museum, the VOA Museum. 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:05.780 And next time we make it back to Virginia, count 00:56:05.780 --> 00:56:09.460 on it, I'll be there. So I do look forward to 00:56:09.460 --> 00:56:12.300 visiting. A couple of things I just wanted to 00:56:12.300 --> 00:56:16.900 mention. Sorry, go ahead. Very good, Peter. I 00:56:16.900 --> 00:56:20.539 was going to mention that we have quite a bit 00:56:20.539 --> 00:56:25.579 of open house time starting on Thursday all the 00:56:25.579 --> 00:56:28.739 way through Sunday afternoon at the museum for 00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:31.940 the hams. And we even have some special tours 00:56:31.940 --> 00:56:38.360 of the 500 kilowatt transmitter at WLW. So the 00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:42.369 hams have have a great time at the museum over 00:56:42.369 --> 00:56:47.690 the Hamvention weekend. And I'll add, Peter, 00:56:48.309 --> 00:56:51.730 when you do come down, make sure you let me know 00:56:51.730 --> 00:56:54.929 and I will make sure I'm there and will personally 00:56:54.929 --> 00:56:59.070 give you a tour. You can get my email off of 00:56:59.070 --> 00:57:04.210 QRZ. The call is K8 CLI Kilo 8 Charlie Lima India 00:57:04.210 --> 00:57:10.340 and just use the email in there. Thanks, guys. 00:57:11.059 --> 00:57:14.440 And Lee, I think we've probably already contacted 00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:18.780 through Facebook. And I will do that for sure. 00:57:19.380 --> 00:57:21.079 That would be really nice. There's a couple other 00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:23.800 things. I'm also have been in the past part of 00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.800 the CCA group as well. And I would love to see 00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:28.800 that Collins transmitter that you moved down 00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:32.039 there as well. Just a couple of things. Jay, 00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:35.380 you mentioned that the... Foreline kind of wound 00:57:35.380 --> 00:57:40.280 up in 1974. Actually it went through to 1979. 00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:45.519 So another five years after that the last of 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:49.099 the R4Cs came out in 1979 according to the serial 00:57:49.099 --> 00:57:54.619 number database that WB4HFN publishes. And I 00:57:54.619 --> 00:57:58.539 personally went with a friend of mine in December 00:57:58.539 --> 00:58:04.019 of 1978 to pick up his brand new R4C and FS4. 00:58:04.659 --> 00:58:08.840 He has one of the very latest ones. So I just 00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:12.960 wanted to throw that by there. Also, I've got 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:17.380 a question. I visited the factory many years 00:58:17.380 --> 00:58:20.840 ago. It's probably close to 20 years ago now. 00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:27.639 and was able to get a very quick tour. Not sure 00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:31.840 it was sanctioned, but was able to get through 00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:35.940 the tour. We actually saw the prototype L6 amplifier 00:58:35.940 --> 00:58:40.880 that I believe has ended up in Sindre's hands, 00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:47.619 Sindre Torp, L6OP over in Norway. The interesting 00:58:47.619 --> 00:58:50.639 part was that when I went there, saw something 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:55.659 in the display that appeared to be one of the 00:58:55.659 --> 00:58:58.659 product detectors that was made for the Colin 00:58:58.659 --> 00:59:04.679 7582 and 7583 receiver. I had already picked 00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:08.440 up one of those because it just looks so much 00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:11.340 like a Drake to me. I thought this has got to 00:59:11.340 --> 00:59:14.159 be made by the Drake factory. I got it for next 00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:17.320 to nothing at a ham fest one day. It's got to 00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:23.300 be 25 years ago now. And I thought that was confirmed 00:59:23.300 --> 00:59:27.599 when it showed up, when I visited the display 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.320 in the lobby at the factory and saw it there. 00:59:30.340 --> 00:59:33.380 I thought that confirmed it, but I guess memory's 00:59:33.380 --> 00:59:36.059 fuzzy. I'm just wondering if you guys have seen 00:59:36.059 --> 00:59:40.280 that there by any chance. So many of, I had a 00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:44.800 75A2 with a product detector and many of those 00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.360 came from Universal Electronics up in Columbus, 00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:51.050 Ohio. And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Gibby 00:59:51.050 --> 00:59:56.690 didn't have Bob Drake build those for him, but 00:59:56.690 --> 00:59:59.329 they actually, I believe, sold them under their 00:59:59.329 --> 01:00:05.909 universal brand. Yeah, I understand they were 01:00:05.909 --> 01:00:09.730 sold under the universal brand, but I highly 01:00:09.730 --> 01:00:13.050 suspect they were made by Drake. Yeah, I have 01:00:13.050 --> 01:00:15.769 no proof of that, but you're probably quite correct 01:00:15.769 --> 01:00:18.389 because there was a strong relationship between 01:00:18.389 --> 01:00:25.869 Bob and Gibby. Okay. Well, if that product detector 01:00:25.869 --> 01:00:28.469 shows up in the displays there, the equipment 01:00:28.469 --> 01:00:30.690 that you have at the display someday, maybe that 01:00:30.690 --> 01:00:33.510 will confirm that. I'm pretty sure I saw one 01:00:33.510 --> 01:00:38.210 there when I visited in 2000 or 2001 or 2002, 01:00:38.210 --> 01:00:43.500 somewhere back around then. And that's a question 01:00:43.500 --> 01:00:45.260 that's been bugging me for years. I still have 01:00:45.260 --> 01:00:47.340 the product detector. For what I don't know, 01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:49.980 I don't have a 75A2 or three. I've got a one 01:00:49.980 --> 01:00:54.000 and a four, actually three of the 75A4s. Interestingly 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:59.000 enough, my 75A4s and the KWS1 sit very proudly 01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:07.929 next to my little 1A, number 457. which outperforms 01:01:07.929 --> 01:01:10.750 the 75A4s. I know a lot of the CTA guys are going 01:01:10.750 --> 01:01:14.889 to kill me, but I'm sorry for a 20 -pound box. 01:01:16.929 --> 01:01:20.389 It's just unbelievable. It's an amazing little 01:01:20.389 --> 01:01:24.650 receiver. Yes, it was. Peter, I can confirm that 01:01:24.650 --> 01:01:27.789 product detector. I was reading a document written 01:01:27.789 --> 01:01:33.730 by Bill Frost a couple days ago, and in his history, 01:01:34.380 --> 01:01:38.659 with Drake. He does talk about the product detectors 01:01:38.659 --> 01:01:44.219 they made for Collins. So it's in the documentation. 01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:51.000 Great. That was Jay, right? Is that Jay? No, 01:01:51.039 --> 01:02:01.969 that's Lee. go online and Google or search for 01:02:01.969 --> 01:02:05.210 Bill Frost. He's the service manager, was the 01:02:05.210 --> 01:02:09.969 service manager. I know Bill. Okay, well Bill 01:02:09.969 --> 01:02:13.690 wrote a very nice history of Drake and you can 01:02:13.690 --> 01:02:17.130 download it. It shows up very quickly on a search. 01:02:17.610 --> 01:02:19.949 Download that and you'll see that he talks about 01:02:19.949 --> 01:02:22.829 that product detector in his history document. 01:02:25.610 --> 01:02:27.969 I think I have seen that, but I don't remember 01:02:27.969 --> 01:02:29.650 reading about that. I'll have to take a look 01:02:29.650 --> 01:02:34.070 at that again. I appreciate that. Well, okay, 01:02:34.070 --> 01:02:36.269 that's about all I've got, guys. I want to thank 01:02:36.269 --> 01:02:39.809 you for doing this. It's always exciting seeing 01:02:39.809 --> 01:02:41.849 something like this presented with the RL Drake 01:02:41.849 --> 01:02:46.550 Company. I appreciate being a part of it. Thanks, 01:02:46.570 --> 01:02:49.789 everyone. Thanks for stopping by, Peter. Yeah, 01:02:49.889 --> 01:02:53.329 thanks for calling. Yeah, thanks for calling 01:02:53.329 --> 01:02:57.690 in. Yeah, and if you get to if you get down to 01:02:57.690 --> 01:03:02.170 Ham Finch and by all means Go to the museum. 01:03:02.170 --> 01:03:07.769 I go every year on Saturday night and and really 01:03:07.769 --> 01:03:12.769 enjoy it and kind of help Move some people in 01:03:12.769 --> 01:03:15.849 and out of there. So if you get a chance make 01:03:15.849 --> 01:03:22.099 sure you stop by and and Lee Lee I think you 01:03:22.099 --> 01:03:24.420 were able to confirm right that that this is 01:03:24.420 --> 01:03:29.039 the largest single collection Yes, it's it's 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.059 the largest physical collection in the world 01:03:31.059 --> 01:03:38.599 for RL Drake equipment. No question about it 01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:41.500 All right, well thanks for so much for the call 01:03:41.500 --> 01:03:47.400 we appreciate it Thank you all right you two 01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:52.309 seven three All right, well We'll see if we have 01:03:52.309 --> 01:03:57.449 more calls. I'm not Not seeing any tweets here 01:03:57.449 --> 01:04:01.030 So, let's see if we have anybody else lined up 01:04:01.030 --> 01:04:05.530 in the phone bank here And if not, we're going 01:04:05.530 --> 01:04:10.130 to finish things up Although I will say Jocelyn 01:04:10.130 --> 01:04:15.670 KD8 VRX says hello by text so We'll throw that 01:04:15.670 --> 01:04:20.539 in Okay, guys, I think we're through everything 01:04:20.539 --> 01:04:25.159 and we're way over time. So let's take some final 01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:28.260 comments. Go ahead, Lee. I'll make a final comment. 01:04:28.460 --> 01:04:32.539 The gentleman that just called, Bill Frost's 01:04:32.539 --> 01:04:35.619 history paper, it's on page two. So download 01:04:35.619 --> 01:04:38.519 that document by Bill Frost and then the product 01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:41.119 detector that they made for Collins is on page 01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:43.679 two. But other than that, thanks for having us 01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:45.800 on, Neil. Appreciate it. Been a great program. 01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:49.480 Okay, we'll remind everybody remind everybody 01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:53.380 how they can check out the museum Yep, like come 01:04:53.380 --> 01:04:57.239 on down every Saturday and Sunday 1 to 4 p .m 01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:00.440 And if you plan to come in if you're out of town, 01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:04.420 particularly look me up on qrz the k8 cli My 01:05:04.420 --> 01:05:07.719 email is accurate and let me know and I will 01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:10.420 for sure be there to give you a personal tour 01:05:10.420 --> 01:05:15.400 And it's voamuseum .org and Jay go right ahead 01:05:15.710 --> 01:05:18.809 Okay, I would just point out if you want to learn 01:05:18.809 --> 01:05:21.610 a little bit more about Drake, there's a great 01:05:21.610 --> 01:05:24.309 book out called A Family Affair, The R .L. Drake 01:05:24.309 --> 01:05:27.309 Story. It's written by a fellow that I worked 01:05:27.309 --> 01:05:31.130 with for many years, John Lockmiller, KB9AT. 01:05:31.929 --> 01:05:35.610 John came out of the broadcast industry and we 01:05:35.610 --> 01:05:38.650 worked together at Midwest Communications many 01:05:38.650 --> 01:05:41.969 years back, but he has done a... great job of 01:05:41.969 --> 01:05:44.889 documenting some of the history and pulling together 01:05:44.889 --> 01:05:47.010 some other notes about the various products, 01:05:47.030 --> 01:05:52.269 including some tips on that. And I'd also point 01:05:52.269 --> 01:05:56.130 out you had Rob Sherwood on last week. Rob and 01:05:56.130 --> 01:05:59.349 I grew up together. He's originally from the 01:05:59.349 --> 01:06:03.889 Cincinnati area and he has done a great job of 01:06:03.889 --> 01:06:07.670 providing some upgrades for the particularly 01:06:07.670 --> 01:06:14.250 the R4. sea -line receivers. One of the R4s that 01:06:14.250 --> 01:06:18.369 I have has been fully upgraded with all of his 01:06:18.369 --> 01:06:21.809 mods and kits. So there's a lot of folks out 01:06:21.809 --> 01:06:26.010 there that support the, if you will, the refurbishment 01:06:26.010 --> 01:06:30.429 of some of the four -line gear and it's a great 01:06:30.429 --> 01:06:35.289 hobby. I got into refurbishing some of this stuff 01:06:35.289 --> 01:06:40.650 shortly after I retired and did a lot of work, 01:06:40.849 --> 01:06:45.090 not only on my own gear, but equipment for other 01:06:45.090 --> 01:06:49.230 hams. I don't do that anymore, but it was a lot 01:06:49.230 --> 01:06:53.510 of fun for a number of years. And Lee, thanks 01:06:53.510 --> 01:06:56.989 for your great input. And Neil, I appreciate 01:06:56.989 --> 01:07:01.070 having us on board tonight. All right, guys. 01:07:01.170 --> 01:07:06.119 Well, thank you so much for being here. Found 01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:08.900 out all kinds of things tonight. So we really 01:07:08.900 --> 01:07:12.699 appreciate you being here. And of course We feature 01:07:12.699 --> 01:07:15.519 the voice of American Museum every chance we 01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:22.000 get again. It's voa museum org and If you get 01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:25.300 a chance come visit would love to see you there 01:07:25.300 --> 01:07:29.340 and Hamvention is always a good time to do that 01:07:29.340 --> 01:07:33.320 just a little drive in the evening and and the 01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:37.250 doors are open so Come on down to the to the 01:07:37.250 --> 01:07:40.250 voice of American Museum of Broadcasting in Westchester 01:07:40.250 --> 01:07:43.909 Well, that is a wrap for this week's edition 01:07:43.909 --> 01:07:46.670 of ham talk live. Thanks to my guests jadric 01:07:46.670 --> 01:07:51.630 k8 cjy and leigh height k8 cli and everyone out 01:07:51.630 --> 01:07:54.409 there in cyberspace for listening and Calling 01:07:54.409 --> 01:07:57.889 in and invite you back next Thursday night 9 01:07:57.889 --> 01:08:01.730 p .m Eastern time when Marcel Strieber ai6ms 01:08:01.730 --> 01:08:05.889 will be here to talk about Remote license testing 01:08:05.889 --> 01:08:08.510 and for a list of all of our upcoming guests 01:08:08.510 --> 01:08:11.829 just go to ham talk live Dot -com and if you 01:08:11.829 --> 01:08:14.710 like ham talk live, please consider leaving us 01:08:14.710 --> 01:08:16.869 a review on iTunes or wherever you listen it 01:08:16.869 --> 01:08:20.449 helps others find us faster and and now we may 01:08:20.449 --> 01:08:24.970 have to To do equal time here. We may have to 01:08:24.970 --> 01:08:27.930 do a Collins show. I don't know. We'll see how 01:08:27.930 --> 01:08:32.229 that goes So for now, this is Neil rap WB 9 VPG 01:08:32.229 --> 01:08:35.550 saying seven three seven five and made the good 01:08:35.550 --> 01:08:37.510 DX be yours