WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.640 This episode of HamTalk Live is brought to you 00:00:02.640 --> 00:00:06.000 by Tower Electronics. For connectors, cables, 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:12.939 and more, call 920 -435 -2973 or visit pl -259 00:00:12.939 --> 00:00:17.620 .com. And by ICOM, heard it, worked it, logged 00:00:17.620 --> 00:00:22.839 it. Visit www .icomamerica .com slash amateur 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:31.949 for more information about ICOM radios. Here 00:00:31.949 --> 00:00:37.670 we go, welcome to HamTalk Live Call in, let's 00:00:37.670 --> 00:00:41.789 talk, Neil's your guy HamTalk Live, here we go 00:00:58.700 --> 00:01:03.979 it's time for HamTalk Live episode number 244. 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:07.959 COVID research update for hams reported live 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:13.959 on Thursday January 28 2021. I'm your host Neil 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:17.879 Rapp WB9VPG. Thanks for tuning in to another 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:20.579 episode of HamTalk Live. Tonight we're joined 00:01:20.579 --> 00:01:25.340 by Dr. Scott Wright KZeroMD. And we'll take your 00:01:25.340 --> 00:01:28.340 calls later on in the show. Last week, Michael 00:01:28.340 --> 00:01:31.620 Coulter, W8CI, was here to talk about the second 00:01:31.620 --> 00:01:35.140 cancellation of the Dayton Hamvention. If you 00:01:35.140 --> 00:01:38.420 missed that show, you can listen anytime at HamTalkLive 00:01:38.420 --> 00:01:42.120 .com or on your favorite podcast app or on YouTube. 00:01:43.500 --> 00:01:46.219 You can also catch the rebroadcast of HamTalk 00:01:46.219 --> 00:01:53.879 Live. On WTWW, that's 5085 AM Saturday afternoons 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:57.379 and that usually runs about 3 .30 PM Eastern 00:01:57.379 --> 00:02:01.439 time. Lots and lots and lots of announcements 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:04.159 here before we start. We'll try to make it quick. 00:02:04.219 --> 00:02:07.620 Winter field day is this weekend. 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He worked 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:57.769 for the Mayo Clinic. teaching cardiology which 00:07:57.769 --> 00:08:00.110 often takes him abroad where ham radio can go 00:08:00.110 --> 00:08:02.730 with him he's an excellent contest or been on 00:08:02.730 --> 00:08:06.490 several de -expeditions we met when we were kids 00:08:06.490 --> 00:08:11.529 in Louisville taking our license exams and he 00:08:11.529 --> 00:08:15.370 is a graduate of the University of Kentucky and 00:08:15.370 --> 00:08:19.240 he was the co -principal investigator of the 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:22.480 COVID -19 Convalescent Plasma Research Study 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.379 at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota, which is what 00:08:26.379 --> 00:08:29.819 he's here to talk about tonight. So Scott, welcome 00:08:29.819 --> 00:08:33.860 back to the show. Neal, thank you. Always love 00:08:33.860 --> 00:08:35.940 your introductions. I remember meeting you and 00:08:35.940 --> 00:08:38.679 Louisville at the FCC testing session. We've 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:41.519 both come a long way since then, and it's just 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:43.399 nice that we've been able to renew our friendship 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:47.659 in the last 15 years. do some fun things together. 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:51.379 Thanks for inviting me on. Yeah it has been a 00:08:51.379 --> 00:08:56.039 lot of fun and I know you have been hard at work 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:59.340 with this project and it was it was a very visible 00:08:59.340 --> 00:09:04.740 project to say the least and you know you had 00:09:04.740 --> 00:09:07.299 a lot to to talk about and you've been on this 00:09:07.299 --> 00:09:11.340 show and other shows talking about All of the 00:09:11.340 --> 00:09:14.700 work that was going in and now the results are 00:09:14.700 --> 00:09:18.779 out so We wanted to make sure you were back on 00:09:18.779 --> 00:09:21.980 the show to tell us how this the story mostly 00:09:21.980 --> 00:09:24.919 ends I guess I guess it doesn't totally end but 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:29.679 but to see what the results were on this and 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:35.210 how ham radio ties into all of this so Let's 00:09:35.210 --> 00:09:38.129 see, that was April 23rd you were here talking 00:09:38.129 --> 00:09:42.490 about that research and then two weeks ago the 00:09:42.490 --> 00:09:45.669 New England Journal of Medicine, there's a journal 00:09:45.669 --> 00:09:49.909 for you, the New England Journal of Medicine 00:09:49.909 --> 00:09:54.929 publishes the results. So give us an update on 00:09:54.929 --> 00:09:57.909 what happened with the study and what the results 00:09:57.909 --> 00:10:01.090 were and then also a little bit about how HAMS 00:10:01.090 --> 00:10:06.220 came through helping on this project. Be delighted 00:10:06.220 --> 00:10:08.919 to Neil and thank you again and for having me 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:14.279 and our teams work on your show in April Let's 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:17.360 trace back to March April little almost 10 11 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:20.820 months ago now We were just in the beginnings 00:10:20.820 --> 00:10:24.259 of an incredibly scary pandemic. We didn't have 00:10:24.259 --> 00:10:28.039 really any therapies the time that we knew that 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:30.759 would work to help reduce the risks of dying 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:35.889 or progressing with kovat 19 and One of my colleagues 00:10:35.889 --> 00:10:40.230 at Mayo Clinic, Dr. Michael Joyner had been asked 00:10:40.230 --> 00:10:43.330 by the US Food and Drug Administration if he 00:10:43.330 --> 00:10:46.470 could put together a team of scientists from 00:10:46.470 --> 00:10:50.169 Mayo Clinic and other centers to test convalescent 00:10:50.169 --> 00:10:52.809 plasma. Now many people are still wondering what 00:10:52.809 --> 00:10:55.629 is convalescent plasma? Well, everyone knows 00:10:55.629 --> 00:10:58.269 about blood donations and sometimes patients 00:10:58.269 --> 00:11:00.350 get blood cells and sometimes they need plasma. 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:02.559 to help with the coagulation in their blood. 00:11:03.059 --> 00:11:05.840 But convalescent plasma is a special form of 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:08.840 the plasma that has antibodies and other viral 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:12.720 fighting substances. And we had hypothesized 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:15.659 in the early spring that using it would help 00:11:15.659 --> 00:11:19.759 patients with severely ill COVID -19. When we 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.120 started the study, Neil, we had two big issues 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:25.240 before us. One, we were expecting to enroll about 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:28.190 5 ,000 patients. And second, we didn't really 00:11:28.190 --> 00:11:31.409 have a supply of convalescent plasma. And I made 00:11:31.409 --> 00:11:34.110 a couple of media appearances on ham radio shows, 00:11:34.309 --> 00:11:38.370 yours and Ham Nation, and subsequently learned 00:11:38.370 --> 00:11:41.629 from our public affairs experts at Mayo Clinic 00:11:41.629 --> 00:11:45.210 that those appearances garnered an incredible 00:11:45.210 --> 00:11:49.149 amount of social media activity and likely resulted 00:11:49.149 --> 00:11:52.730 in a lot of donation of people, of plasma from 00:11:52.730 --> 00:11:56.220 people who had recovered from COVID -19. And 00:11:56.220 --> 00:11:58.940 so the ham community really stepped up as they 00:11:58.940 --> 00:12:01.759 always do during a time of crisis and donated 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.340 not just their time but their plasma, those who 00:12:05.340 --> 00:12:09.600 had recovered from COVID. It turns out that one 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:11.919 of the individuals, one of the leaders at the 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:14.120 US Food and Drug Administration, Dr. Peter Marks 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:17.240 is also a ham operator. And we figured that out 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:20.360 right about the time I went on Ham Nation. And 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.620 we had a special bond after that and talked about 00:12:23.769 --> 00:12:26.009 How Ham Radio helped us both to sort of relax 00:12:26.009 --> 00:12:27.750 in our free time from the very stressful things 00:12:27.750 --> 00:12:31.110 we were working on. Peter largely uses his radio 00:12:31.110 --> 00:12:33.450 on his boat that he sails in the Chesapeake Bay 00:12:33.450 --> 00:12:35.730 and was telling me about a QSO with a station 00:12:35.730 --> 00:12:38.269 in Saudi Arabia on sideband and how impressed 00:12:38.269 --> 00:12:40.490 he was with his vertical working on saltwater. 00:12:41.549 --> 00:12:44.049 And I, of course, shared how I was up in the 00:12:44.049 --> 00:12:46.809 black hole of southern Minnesota, north central 00:12:46.809 --> 00:12:49.309 US, where propagation was not always strong. 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.559 I like to work Saudi Arabia, too, but it took 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.419 a lot more power than 100 watts in a vertical 00:12:54.419 --> 00:12:57.419 for me to work Saudi Arabia. But I think the 00:12:57.419 --> 00:12:59.320 flexibility that being a ham operator teaches 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:02.379 you, the problem -solving skills, the creative 00:13:02.379 --> 00:13:04.700 way of thinking all contributed to how we worked 00:13:04.700 --> 00:13:06.860 collectively together and collaboratively together 00:13:06.860 --> 00:13:10.600 to solve this shortage of convalescent plasma, 00:13:11.059 --> 00:13:14.460 to test the convalescent plasma. And then as 00:13:14.460 --> 00:13:18.529 sort of the final you know, act of getting a 00:13:18.529 --> 00:13:21.149 sub -study published from it. So like I said, 00:13:21.250 --> 00:13:23.669 we were expecting about 5 ,000 patients over 00:13:23.669 --> 00:13:27.649 the ensuing six months, but Neil, honestly, by 00:13:27.649 --> 00:13:29.710 the end of April, we'd enrolled 5 ,000 patients 00:13:29.710 --> 00:13:32.649 and we were shocked. at how the study just took 00:13:32.649 --> 00:13:35.769 off like a Saturn V rocket launches. And it turns 00:13:35.769 --> 00:13:37.870 out by the end of August, when the Food and Drug 00:13:37.870 --> 00:13:40.070 Administration made their decision to issue an 00:13:40.070 --> 00:13:42.269 emergency use authorization for convalescent 00:13:42.269 --> 00:13:45.629 plasma, we'd enrolled a little over 105 ,700 00:13:45.629 --> 00:13:50.070 patients. Yeah, it was just one of the largest 00:13:50.070 --> 00:13:52.330 clinical studies done in history of medicine, 00:13:52.370 --> 00:13:55.309 frankly. probably not the largest, but one of 00:13:55.309 --> 00:13:58.850 the largest. We did it with a group at Mayo Clinic. 00:13:58.889 --> 00:14:02.409 We assembled the first week of April. And I credit 00:14:02.409 --> 00:14:05.950 the collaboration model of Mayo Clinic, the support 00:14:05.950 --> 00:14:08.409 of our senior leadership, the dean of research, 00:14:09.250 --> 00:14:12.230 our chief physician, who is our CEO, and others 00:14:12.230 --> 00:14:16.169 who gave us the support and the access to IT 00:14:16.169 --> 00:14:20.490 resources, website resources, and just personnel 00:14:20.490 --> 00:14:23.799 who were temporarily furloughed. taken off work 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:26.500 but just didn't have the usual busy schedule 00:14:26.500 --> 00:14:28.240 because we had to close our clinical practice 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:30.779 for a couple of weeks as we anticipated a huge 00:14:30.779 --> 00:14:32.879 surge so that we didn't run out of personal protective 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:36.759 equipment or ICU bed space. And so we were able 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:39.120 to recruit a lot of talent who quickly helped 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.720 us and got everything going. And many of them 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:43.639 stayed with us through the duration of the study. 00:14:44.620 --> 00:14:47.059 And I would love to give you a list of names. 00:14:47.139 --> 00:14:48.820 Many of them are authors on the New England Journal 00:14:48.820 --> 00:14:51.590 paper. But I would forget someone, and I don't 00:14:51.590 --> 00:14:55.269 want to offend anyone. But let's just say that 00:14:55.269 --> 00:14:57.490 it was a team effort. I'm here on your show tonight, 00:14:57.490 --> 00:14:59.889 but I'm just one of several people. It's sort 00:14:59.889 --> 00:15:01.649 of like Michael Coulter last week. He may be 00:15:01.649 --> 00:15:03.649 the spokesperson of the Dayton Hamvention, but 00:15:03.649 --> 00:15:06.090 there's a whole crew of people behind him. So, 00:15:06.090 --> 00:15:09.350 you know, let me tell you what we found. So the 00:15:09.350 --> 00:15:12.029 study was an observational pragmatic design, 00:15:12.029 --> 00:15:15.870 but we knew that the plasma would likely contain 00:15:15.870 --> 00:15:19.360 varying amounts of what we call neutralizing 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:22.580 antibodies to kill the COVID virus or weaken 00:15:22.580 --> 00:15:24.860 it or to enhance your own immune action against 00:15:24.860 --> 00:15:28.360 it. But we didn't know which units of plasma 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:30.460 would have high levels of neutralizing antibody, 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.080 which units of plasma would have medium levels 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:37.340 or low levels. In fact, the test to test for 00:15:37.340 --> 00:15:39.299 those hadn't even been designed by the time we 00:15:39.299 --> 00:15:41.559 were on your show. So our laboratory medicine 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:45.940 group, Dr. John Mills and Dr. Ellie Thielen, 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:48.980 at Mayo Clinic devised and designed these tests 00:15:48.980 --> 00:15:51.539 in May and June so that we could actually test 00:15:51.539 --> 00:15:56.139 a sample, not the entire 105 ,000 units, but 00:15:56.139 --> 00:15:58.600 a sample of about 3 ,000, which we thought statistically 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:01.559 would give us sufficient power to see if the 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:04.179 use of high titer convalescent plasma resulted 00:16:04.179 --> 00:16:08.279 in a reduction in mortality. So we gave the convalescent 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:12.279 plasma. We worked through 10 ,000 hospital sites 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:15.559 and 3 ,000 physicians. I'm sorry, I reversed 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.820 that. 3 ,000 hospital sites and 10 ,000 physician 00:16:18.820 --> 00:16:21.659 PIs. So we had every hospital area in the United 00:16:21.659 --> 00:16:23.460 States with the exception of five, one being 00:16:23.460 --> 00:16:25.179 Bloomington, Illinois, and I forget where the 00:16:25.179 --> 00:16:28.019 other four are, and including every US territory. 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:29.980 So every hospital in Puerto Rico, every hospital 00:16:29.980 --> 00:16:33.240 in the Mariana Islands, in Guam, all the military 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:35.639 bases overseas were all part of this. The VA 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:38.980 system was part of it. Big consortiums like Hospital 00:16:38.980 --> 00:16:41.519 Corporation of America joined and put all of 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:44.610 their hospitals into it. Almost all the major 00:16:44.610 --> 00:16:46.769 academic hospitals did, but the study was largely 00:16:46.769 --> 00:16:49.029 done at the small town hospitals across the US. 00:16:50.309 --> 00:16:52.830 And we found, we gave the plasma to people who 00:16:52.830 --> 00:16:54.990 were critically ill either in the ICU or thought 00:16:54.990 --> 00:16:57.350 at risk to be needing to go to the ICU within 00:16:57.350 --> 00:17:01.129 a few days. And of course we found that the people 00:17:01.129 --> 00:17:04.029 who got the low titer plasma had about a 30 % 00:17:04.029 --> 00:17:06.430 in hospital mortality, sorry, 30 % mortality 00:17:06.430 --> 00:17:09.890 at 30 days, not in hospital, but 30 days. And 00:17:09.890 --> 00:17:12.240 the group who got the... high titer plasma had 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:15.660 a 22 % mortality. So technically it was a 7 .3 00:17:15.660 --> 00:17:19.000 % absolute risk reduction. And for people who 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:21.140 have background in epidemiology, like one of 00:17:21.140 --> 00:17:24.220 your prior guests, Dr. Frank Howell or others 00:17:24.220 --> 00:17:26.240 who may be listening, the number needed to treat 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:29.940 their 14 .5 or so, which is incredibly good in 00:17:29.940 --> 00:17:31.380 medicine. We think if the number needed to treat 00:17:31.380 --> 00:17:35.579 is 33 or lower, the drugs very effective or the 00:17:35.579 --> 00:17:37.000 treatment doesn't have to be a drug. And what 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:40.200 we also found Neil was that Patients who were 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:44.980 not on a ventilator had a 36 % relative risk 00:17:44.980 --> 00:17:48.140 reduction in their mortality. And patients on 00:17:48.140 --> 00:17:49.940 a ventilator did not seem to benefit. There was 00:17:49.940 --> 00:17:52.799 maybe a 5 % reduction, but it wasn't statistically 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:56.059 significant, but the 36 % was. So the overall 00:17:56.059 --> 00:17:59.299 results showed a 25 % risk reduction, but it 00:17:59.299 --> 00:18:02.950 was favoring the non -ventilated patients. Now, 00:18:02.950 --> 00:18:05.690 we didn't test plasma in patients in the emergency 00:18:05.690 --> 00:18:07.549 room or people at home, and those studies are 00:18:07.549 --> 00:18:10.130 being done. They're led by the NIH, and we think 00:18:10.130 --> 00:18:12.950 the answers will be out shortly. The UK just 00:18:12.950 --> 00:18:15.690 finished their convalescent plasma study in critically 00:18:15.690 --> 00:18:18.029 ill patients in the ICU, many of them on ventilators, 00:18:18.490 --> 00:18:20.490 and basically replicated the same results we 00:18:20.490 --> 00:18:22.650 did, that being on the ventilator doesn't help. 00:18:23.569 --> 00:18:25.809 But I think the best way to summarize this is 00:18:25.809 --> 00:18:28.170 to share a story I had from my own practice two 00:18:28.170 --> 00:18:29.910 weeks ago. I was seeing a patient who needed 00:18:29.910 --> 00:18:32.980 heart valve surgery. And I said to him, have 00:18:32.980 --> 00:18:34.640 you had COVID? And he said, no. But he said, 00:18:34.700 --> 00:18:39.319 my wife has. And my alerts went up because we 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:41.420 screen everyone for COVID infections, including 00:18:41.420 --> 00:18:43.099 spouses, before we let them into our clinic. 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:45.119 And I said, when were you diagnosed with COVID? 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:46.980 She said, oh, it was in early December. And this 00:18:46.980 --> 00:18:49.529 was, of course, just two weeks ago. And I said, 00:18:49.630 --> 00:18:51.309 tell me more. And she said, I was really ill, 00:18:51.309 --> 00:18:54.009 doctor. She said, I was in a hospital, and she 00:18:54.009 --> 00:18:56.230 named a central Minnesota town. And she said, 00:18:56.230 --> 00:18:58.250 I was in the ICU. And she said, my husband was 00:18:58.250 --> 00:19:00.029 prohibited from visiting me. And he said, that's 00:19:00.029 --> 00:19:01.650 right. I would call every day, or she would call 00:19:01.650 --> 00:19:04.029 me. And she said, they told me one day, they 00:19:04.029 --> 00:19:06.670 said, look, if you don't turn the corner soon, 00:19:06.710 --> 00:19:08.890 you're not going to make it. And she said, but 00:19:08.890 --> 00:19:10.710 you know, they gave me this thing. And you maybe 00:19:10.710 --> 00:19:12.970 haven't heard of it, doctor. But she said, it's 00:19:12.970 --> 00:19:14.789 plasma. And it has antibodies. And they gave 00:19:14.789 --> 00:19:16.490 it to me. And two days later, I was out of the 00:19:16.490 --> 00:19:20.819 ICU at home a few days later. And while we don't 00:19:20.819 --> 00:19:23.539 make much of single stories, that summarizes 00:19:23.539 --> 00:19:25.819 sort of our findings. And we kept hearing stories 00:19:25.819 --> 00:19:28.519 and stories like that all through the study. 00:19:28.539 --> 00:19:30.640 So we thought we might be onto something. And 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:32.579 we were absolutely relieved when the statistical 00:19:32.579 --> 00:19:34.759 data and the peer review process of the New England 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.460 Journal, which is tough, you know, it's the world's 00:19:37.460 --> 00:19:38.740 leading medical journal. They put you through 00:19:38.740 --> 00:19:41.079 a very solid and appropriately hard peer review 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:46.799 and looked at our data. Of course did some revisions 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:48.440 as they would have requested and then they decided 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:51.019 to publish it and they pushed it out early online 00:19:51.019 --> 00:19:52.779 so that the world could see it and start using 00:19:52.779 --> 00:19:58.180 it. So that's the story and many things in life 00:19:58.180 --> 00:20:01.180 contribute to giving us skills that help us to 00:20:01.180 --> 00:20:03.759 do the important tasks that we're called upon 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:06.359 to do from time to time. And I have to say that 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:08.119 ham radio was very helpful for me and I think 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:11.319 Dr. Marks at FDA would agree it was helpful with 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:17.450 him as well. Well, I've had some great stories 00:20:17.450 --> 00:20:21.750 to relate from all of this and I know that I've 00:20:21.750 --> 00:20:25.390 talked to a few hams who donated plasma to this 00:20:25.390 --> 00:20:31.230 project and tried to help out and it sounds like 00:20:31.230 --> 00:20:36.390 it was very beneficial to the study and was saving 00:20:36.390 --> 00:20:41.460 some lives and so we've got to love that. Well, 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:45.299 how do you see this treatment being used and 00:20:45.299 --> 00:20:50.740 where do you think this is going to be used as 00:20:50.740 --> 00:20:55.299 this goes on for a while longer? If I could just 00:20:55.299 --> 00:20:57.960 give a shout out to everyone who's donated, they 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:00.740 are the true heroes and the true people who've 00:21:00.740 --> 00:21:03.240 made a difference. We just designed the study 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.359 and did the science. We are deeply indebted to 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:09.559 the patients, the recovered patients who donated 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:12.380 plasma, who were selfless and altruistic and 00:21:12.380 --> 00:21:15.980 kind. You know, we talk sometimes about American 00:21:15.980 --> 00:21:18.859 exceptionalism and I look at how Americans donated 00:21:18.859 --> 00:21:21.519 the plasma with no reimbursement. They asked 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:23.559 no questions. They put up with the hassles of 00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:26.700 the donation and it just rekindles my faith in 00:21:26.700 --> 00:21:28.420 this great country and what people can do when 00:21:28.420 --> 00:21:33.109 we work together. Let me say this. We have treatments 00:21:33.109 --> 00:21:35.109 today for COVID that we didn't have in April 00:21:35.109 --> 00:21:37.910 and May. We, of course, have the vaccines now, 00:21:37.910 --> 00:21:39.950 and I hope everyone will get vaccinated. I have. 00:21:40.130 --> 00:21:46.329 I've taken both doses of a vaccine, had really 00:21:46.329 --> 00:21:48.269 no side effects from it. And I hope anyone who 00:21:48.269 --> 00:21:50.789 has the opportunity to get vaccinated will. The 00:21:50.789 --> 00:21:52.890 myths about the vaccine are just that, myths. 00:21:54.109 --> 00:21:57.779 And COVID is often a disease that leaves you 00:21:57.779 --> 00:22:00.839 feeling pretty weak and exhausted, but it's not 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:02.759 lethal, but for a small percent of people it 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:05.240 is, and the vaccine can really protect you against 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:07.940 both severe COVID and lethal COVID, I think. 00:22:08.619 --> 00:22:10.779 So let me just encourage all of the HamTalk Live 00:22:10.779 --> 00:22:12.579 listeners to get vaccinated when they have a 00:22:12.579 --> 00:22:16.140 chance. In the United States, we today have at 00:22:16.140 --> 00:22:20.039 least three therapies for COVID -19 besides convalescent 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:22.799 plasma. We have remdesivir, which has now become 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.119 the standard. There are other antivirals that 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:28.059 are being used in combinations as a cocktail 00:22:28.059 --> 00:22:30.079 with ermdesivir that I don't really know the 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.319 names of right now, but they're being used. We 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:37.480 have steroids, either corticosteroids or dexamethasone. 00:22:37.819 --> 00:22:40.660 And then we have monoclonal antibodies, one being 00:22:40.660 --> 00:22:43.200 made right near where you are at Eli Lilly in 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:46.359 Indiana. Now the monoclonal antibodies are really 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:48.839 like... They take the very best parts of plasma 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:51.660 and they take the antibodies that kill the COVID 00:22:51.660 --> 00:22:54.619 virus against the spike protein and they enrich 00:22:54.619 --> 00:22:57.000 it thousands fold so that you get a really good 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:00.359 dose. And this therapy is life -saving. It keeps 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:02.380 90 % or so of people out of the hospital. They 00:23:02.380 --> 00:23:05.920 get it before they go in. And we have tremendous 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:08.839 access in the United States to this. So the need 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:11.019 for plasma in the U .S. is less today than it 00:23:11.019 --> 00:23:12.640 was three or four months ago because we have 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:15.819 FDA approval of the monoclonal antibodies. And 00:23:15.819 --> 00:23:18.299 that's why patients who get COVID can recover 00:23:18.299 --> 00:23:22.799 so quickly. So I see convalescent plasma being 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:25.380 used in the patients for whom the monoclonals 00:23:25.380 --> 00:23:28.279 are not available, especially if it's used early 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:30.279 in their hospital course, like the first couple 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:33.259 of days, or even before they get in the hospital 00:23:33.259 --> 00:23:35.859 before they deteriorate. So it's worth talking 00:23:35.859 --> 00:23:37.759 to your health care provider if you get COVID 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:39.759 and you think you're deteriorating. If monoclonal 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:42.680 antibodies are an option, it should be on remdesivir 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:45.750 and steroids and maybe plasma. But what we feel, 00:23:45.849 --> 00:23:48.089 Neil, is that many, many countries and many places 00:23:48.089 --> 00:23:51.309 in the world do not have access to the monoclonals 00:23:51.309 --> 00:23:55.109 for a number of reasons, including financial 00:23:55.109 --> 00:23:57.369 barriers, right? Because we have a wealthy country 00:23:57.369 --> 00:23:59.309 in the US, so we can afford the doses. They're 00:23:59.309 --> 00:24:01.509 probably $1 ,000 or $2 ,000 a dose. I don't really 00:24:01.509 --> 00:24:03.809 know, but I'm guessing. But many countries just 00:24:03.809 --> 00:24:05.670 don't have the kind of budgets to support that. 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:09.140 So plasma is a very inexpensive treatment that 00:24:09.140 --> 00:24:11.319 those countries can generate because you just 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:13.319 collect blood from recovered COVID patients and 00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:15.359 then you spin the plasma out, you test it for 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:17.940 a level of antibody, and then you save the plasma 00:24:17.940 --> 00:24:19.799 that's got the highest levels of neutralizing 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.519 antibodies and use that. So you can treat about 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:25.019 three people for every donor you get. And so 00:24:25.019 --> 00:24:27.160 as COVID evolves, if we get a new variant or 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:29.039 new strain that our current therapies don't work, 00:24:29.259 --> 00:24:31.839 monoclonal plasma, I'm sorry, convalescent plasma 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:35.369 will emerge. That should be able to fight the 00:24:35.369 --> 00:24:37.130 new strain as we get people who recover from 00:24:37.130 --> 00:24:39.809 it. So it's a public health issue. We believe 00:24:39.809 --> 00:24:42.349 that its greatest use will be outside the United 00:24:42.349 --> 00:24:44.670 States and many countries where they have a blood 00:24:44.670 --> 00:24:46.269 bank system, but they don't have the resources 00:24:46.269 --> 00:24:49.130 for monoclonals. So at a high level view, that's 00:24:49.130 --> 00:24:52.549 kind of where we see it being used now. All right, 00:24:52.569 --> 00:24:54.450 very good. Well, one more question here and then 00:24:54.450 --> 00:24:58.009 we're going to take a break. and take some uh... 00:24:58.009 --> 00:25:01.029 questions uh... on the phone here date five nine 00:25:01.029 --> 00:25:03.849 nine eight two seventy three seventy three and 00:25:03.849 --> 00:25:06.289 uh... twitter and all that but uh... are there 00:25:06.289 --> 00:25:08.589 still you mentioned a couple other actually already 00:25:08.589 --> 00:25:11.369 uh... other studies that are still going on with 00:25:11.369 --> 00:25:14.529 this and then uh... are there any ways that hams 00:25:14.529 --> 00:25:19.250 can jump in and help here again yes uh... there 00:25:19.250 --> 00:25:21.109 are at least two other studies i'm aware of going 00:25:21.109 --> 00:25:24.410 on leeson praski from One of the New York City 00:25:24.410 --> 00:25:28.009 hospitals and Schmem Schmoll at Hopkins are leading 00:25:28.009 --> 00:25:30.309 studies with convalescent plasma as randomized 00:25:30.309 --> 00:25:32.549 clinical trials. I believe their enrollments 00:25:32.549 --> 00:25:35.029 are done, but if not, and you have an opportunity 00:25:35.029 --> 00:25:36.630 to be in one of their studies, I would recommend 00:25:36.630 --> 00:25:39.349 you consider participating. We also think that 00:25:39.349 --> 00:25:41.569 it's worth still donating convalescent plasma 00:25:41.569 --> 00:25:45.130 because we need it. We don't think that the demand 00:25:45.130 --> 00:25:47.130 for it is predictable, meaning we've seen, I 00:25:47.130 --> 00:25:50.609 think, 50 ,000 units used since we first had 00:25:50.609 --> 00:25:53.660 the FDA -EUA. So that's a huge use of plasma. 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:56.619 And so there appears to be a strong demand for 00:25:56.619 --> 00:25:58.319 it, even with the newer therapies. So we still 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:01.180 need lots of donors. And so I think hams can 00:26:01.180 --> 00:26:03.619 donate plasma if they've had COVID and recovered, 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:06.140 or if they have a family member or a friend who 00:26:06.140 --> 00:26:08.220 has had COVID, they can encourage them to donate. 00:26:09.740 --> 00:26:11.579 And let's stay tuned. We're not out of the woods 00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:13.859 yet with COVID. It's a terrible disease. It's 00:26:13.859 --> 00:26:16.579 a huge pandemic. I believe that we're near the 00:26:16.579 --> 00:26:18.339 end of the beginning of COVID and I think we're 00:26:18.339 --> 00:26:19.960 going to turn the corner. I've seen modeling 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:22.660 data, Neil, that if we can get a million people 00:26:22.660 --> 00:26:26.079 a day vaccinated through May. the number of deaths 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:30.299 should fall substantially. I mean, 99 .5 % reduction 00:26:30.299 --> 00:26:32.960 by the summertime. And if that happens, and if 00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:34.940 those models are true, and again, this is all 00:26:34.940 --> 00:26:37.859 speculation, but if those models are true, then 00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:39.839 it'll be a new day in the United States and in 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:41.900 the world when we can start doing that. So I 00:26:41.900 --> 00:26:43.599 think what hams should do is get vaccinated, 00:26:43.940 --> 00:26:45.940 continue to socially distance as they can, wear 00:26:45.940 --> 00:26:50.599 a mask, be religious about it. You know, you 00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:54.089 would never... operate on your transmitter, work 00:26:54.089 --> 00:26:56.369 on your transmitter or your amplifier, or tune 00:26:56.369 --> 00:26:58.769 your antenna with the RF on and the power on. 00:26:58.809 --> 00:27:01.829 So with COVID, don't be out without a mask. It's 00:27:01.829 --> 00:27:03.710 not a political statement. It's a public health 00:27:03.710 --> 00:27:06.170 gesture that's there to save your life as much 00:27:06.170 --> 00:27:09.650 as it is anyone else's life. Spend your life 00:27:09.650 --> 00:27:12.410 wisely. You only get one, so to speak. So don't 00:27:12.410 --> 00:27:15.769 take unnecessary chances. You know, be cautious 00:27:15.769 --> 00:27:17.569 until this whole thing resolves. The pandemic 00:27:17.569 --> 00:27:20.809 will go away. It'll follow the 1918 flu pandemic 00:27:20.809 --> 00:27:22.849 pattern probably and be gone in another six to 00:27:22.849 --> 00:27:25.410 18 months. I don't know how long, but we will 00:27:25.410 --> 00:27:28.150 get through it. Let's just continue to support 00:27:28.150 --> 00:27:32.069 one another, be on the air, have QSOs, socially 00:27:32.069 --> 00:27:35.869 isolate, but operate. How's that? Hey, there 00:27:35.869 --> 00:27:38.710 we go. And a public service announcement from 00:27:38.710 --> 00:27:41.950 HamTalk Live. Do not open up the cage of your 00:27:41.950 --> 00:27:45.500 amplifier and stick your hand in there. We both 00:27:45.500 --> 00:27:48.440 know that from, we both know that, don't we? 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:51.500 Something about being licensed before you were 00:27:51.500 --> 00:27:54.480 a teenager that helps you learn that. Yes, exactly. 00:27:57.140 --> 00:27:59.559 All right, well, we're going to take a break 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.140 here. We're going to come back with Scott and 00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:04.160 talk a little more about this and maybe some 00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:07.960 other things too. We'll take your questions and 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.000 comments after this word from Tower Electronics 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:16.119 right here on HamTalk Live. Jerry, what's up, 00:28:16.299 --> 00:28:19.019 man? I haven't seen you at Sunbucks in a while. 00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:21.519 I used to see you every morning getting coffee. 00:28:21.619 --> 00:28:25.319 What's up? Well, I can't afford Sunbucks five 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.019 days a week anymore. I had to spend my money 00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:31.700 on PL -259s. You know, those antenna projects 00:28:31.700 --> 00:28:34.480 I've been meaning to do. I had to do them before 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:38.279 my HOA finds out I have antennas. That's too 00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:40.799 bad, Jerry. I miss seeing you and catching up 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.099 over coffee. You should get your PL -259s from 00:28:44.099 --> 00:28:51.079 Tower Electronics. They have great stuff. Jerry, 00:28:51.259 --> 00:28:55.400 you're back. Oh, QRM Heterodyne Frappuccino. 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.400 That's a good choice. How's it going? Did you 00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.200 get all those antennas up before the HOA police 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:04.680 showed up? Yeah, I got them all done. Thanks 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.220 for telling me about Tower Electronics. 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You can find ham talk live 00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:46.400 at ham talk live .com every Thursday night at 00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.839 nine PM Eastern time. And be sure to check us 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.079 out on. Facebook Twitter and Instagram and before 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.400 we get back to Scott and our phone calls It's 00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.839 time for the ham talk live ham radio joke of 00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:27.990 the week with Rick A radio wave walks into the 00:31:27.990 --> 00:31:30.650 bar and asks for a beer. The bartender says, 00:31:30.829 --> 00:31:35.660 here. But why the long phase? This has been the 00:31:35.660 --> 00:31:38.680 Ham Talk Live Ham Radio Joke of the Week with 00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:42.420 Rick Garrett in 9GSU. Tune in again next week 00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:48.380 for another joke from Rick. Oh Scott, there he 00:31:48.380 --> 00:31:52.319 goes. The long phase. I don't know how Rick comes 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:54.380 up with these jokes, but he's very talented. 00:31:54.700 --> 00:31:56.759 Neil, you must be paying him exceptionally well. 00:31:58.009 --> 00:32:00.650 he's getting paid twice what you're getting paid 00:32:00.650 --> 00:32:04.329 to be on this show so oh no and i know what he's 00:32:04.329 --> 00:32:09.410 getting let you know well it's time for your 00:32:09.410 --> 00:32:12.170 phone calls oh go ahead no two times zero is 00:32:12.170 --> 00:32:16.640 still zero right yes it is it is absolutely Well, 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:18.680 it's time for your calls right now. So if you 00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:20.579 have a question or comment for Scott, give us 00:32:20.579 --> 00:32:26.960 a call at 859 -982 -7373. I'll give you the number 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.380 here again in just a second. Or you can tweet 00:32:29.380 --> 00:32:33.119 us. It's at HamTalk Live. And if you're on Spreaker, 00:32:33.180 --> 00:32:35.619 you can type in the chat here. And if you're 00:32:35.619 --> 00:32:39.819 listening to us on WTWW right now or on the podcast 00:32:39.819 --> 00:32:43.700 edition or not here right now, it's not live. 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:48.430 So we're not. There. So, uh, we're taking the 00:32:48.430 --> 00:32:52.130 live calls here and we already have one on the 00:32:52.130 --> 00:32:55.029 line. Good evening. Welcome to hand talk live, 00:32:55.029 --> 00:33:00.170 Andy. How are you fellas doing Scott and, uh, 00:33:00.250 --> 00:33:03.470 Neil, it's good to hear you all on there. Uh, 00:33:03.470 --> 00:33:06.049 Scott, I'm doing what I can. I just donated Tuesday 00:33:06.049 --> 00:33:09.089 again. I think this is my last go around. Hopefully, 00:33:09.089 --> 00:33:13.029 uh, you guys can get a handle on it and, uh, 00:33:13.029 --> 00:33:15.839 uh, donated what? Oh, Seven months ago, I guess 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.539 we started this program and here I am still donating. 00:33:18.940 --> 00:33:21.599 So this one goes toward the Fort Mead, I guess, 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.359 and they deviate out from there and see what 00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.819 develops. My name's Andy, Alpha Alpha Zero Whiskey 00:33:26.819 --> 00:33:29.720 X -ray. But hopefully we're doing the right thing. 00:33:29.779 --> 00:33:34.039 What say ye? Andy, you are doing the right thing. 00:33:34.779 --> 00:33:36.759 And on behalf of all the medical community, let 00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:40.319 me thank you for being such a... kind and caring 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:43.039 person to donate. Your altruism is wonderful, 00:33:43.460 --> 00:33:47.099 and I know this is so common among hams, and 00:33:47.099 --> 00:33:49.779 you've really helped a lot of people. Two to 00:33:49.779 --> 00:33:52.059 three people will benefit from each time you 00:33:52.059 --> 00:33:55.279 donate, so thank you for all you're doing. And 00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:57.140 I like your call. You must have been in the zero 00:33:57.140 --> 00:33:59.640 land at one point and enjoyed our great propagation 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.839 and our best season of the year winner. Yeah, 00:34:03.859 --> 00:34:06.039 it was pretty good over in Colorado. I was over 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.679 there with Amanda and all that crew. uh... at 00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.739 that time i was kill echo zero alpha yankee juliette 00:34:11.739 --> 00:34:14.380 and then uh... a hurricane took me away to puerto 00:34:14.380 --> 00:34:17.440 rico with val and we ended up over there and 00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:20.860 i became kp for alfalfa november and now i'm 00:34:20.860 --> 00:34:23.960 back stateside i'm alfalfa zero whiskey x -ray 00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.559 and uh... of course it stands for andy anderson 00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.320 and the last two is uh... weather i'm always 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.300 involved with the weather some i said don't blame 00:34:31.300 --> 00:34:33.260 me for the cold weather up there you chose where 00:34:33.260 --> 00:34:36.530 you live and i i'm where i'm at But yeah, I've 00:34:36.530 --> 00:34:38.630 done just about all the donations I could just 00:34:38.630 --> 00:34:41.110 about do this last batch. I went over to Kankakee 00:34:41.110 --> 00:34:44.030 and did plasma there. And then I got to do a 00:34:44.030 --> 00:34:47.769 blood draw in two weeks down in Florida that 00:34:47.769 --> 00:34:49.409 goes to Fort Meade. And they're going to look 00:34:49.409 --> 00:34:51.269 at that, see what's going on with my system, 00:34:51.429 --> 00:34:56.170 why I still have high antibodies, but no infection. 00:34:56.469 --> 00:34:59.869 So we'll see what develops with that. That's 00:34:59.869 --> 00:35:02.670 great. Well, congratulations on having a good 00:35:02.670 --> 00:35:07.340 immune response. Yeah, well I have to admit Andy 00:35:07.340 --> 00:35:10.159 is one of those people that I said I know I know 00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:14.500 some people have donated Andy was telling me 00:35:14.500 --> 00:35:16.639 about it. We were gonna try to get get together 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:20.239 He's back over here in the Indiana area and we 00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.960 just kept missing each other. But one of these 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:27.059 days we're gonna catch up Andy Yeah, we can do 00:35:27.059 --> 00:35:29.599 that that lemon custard sounding better all time 00:35:33.389 --> 00:35:35.809 Let's see, is that chocolate mousse? Has that 00:35:35.809 --> 00:35:40.030 lemon custard? Is that where that was? I don't 00:35:40.030 --> 00:35:41.710 know. It was downtown Bloomington there and I 00:35:41.710 --> 00:35:43.389 can't remember if that place is still there. 00:35:46.510 --> 00:35:49.590 I believe that chocolate mousse. So they've got 00:35:49.590 --> 00:35:52.789 a new building, but they're still there. So we'll 00:35:52.789 --> 00:35:56.570 have to do that sometime. Well, Andy, thank you 00:35:56.570 --> 00:35:59.550 so much for calling in and thank you for your 00:35:59.550 --> 00:36:04.900 contribution to this effort too. Well, like Scott's 00:36:04.900 --> 00:36:07.599 saying, we can win this thing. We can beat it. 00:36:08.139 --> 00:36:11.739 And just take everybody to believe that and stay 00:36:11.739 --> 00:36:15.380 on the wagon with us and just remember it. You 00:36:15.380 --> 00:36:20.139 know, we're going to do it. We are. And thank 00:36:20.139 --> 00:36:23.199 you also for all of your help down in the Puerto 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:26.699 Rico disaster. And you're just helping everybody 00:36:26.699 --> 00:36:30.269 out. We really appreciate all that you've done 00:36:30.269 --> 00:36:35.269 and it's that ham radio spirit and I applaud 00:36:35.269 --> 00:36:39.769 everything that you've been doing here, especially 00:36:39.769 --> 00:36:43.550 these last few years that has been a little more 00:36:43.550 --> 00:36:48.900 public, but we really appreciate it. Okay, we'll 00:36:48.900 --> 00:36:51.440 say seven three to you both and let somebody 00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.139 else get in there and talk a little bit and a 00:36:54.139 --> 00:36:56.260 little bit of education a little bit storytelling 00:36:56.260 --> 00:36:59.199 and Everything gets settled up that way. Appreciate 00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:03.139 you being on We'll take it easy seven three. 00:37:03.139 --> 00:37:09.280 We'll talk at you later Thank you 73 Thank You 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:16.070 Andy seven three 8 5 9 9 8 2 73 73 is the phone 00:37:16.070 --> 00:37:18.829 number to give us a call We have a few minutes 00:37:18.829 --> 00:37:21.610 here to take some calls. So give us a ring at 00:37:21.610 --> 00:37:27.510 8 5 9 9 8 2 73 73 Over in the chat and and my 00:37:27.510 --> 00:37:30.250 and my text on my cell phone which which would 00:37:30.460 --> 00:37:32.480 don't normally give that number out, but this 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:37.179 person has it. Ryan, KD9DAB says loves to hear 00:37:37.179 --> 00:37:39.920 numbers like that and love and listen to the 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:44.440 show tonight. And thanks to Dr. Scott Wright, 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:48.480 KZ0MD. So thanks for listening, Ryan. I hope 00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:54.059 you enjoy it. And Chris, AA4CB is tuning in again 00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:56.320 tonight. So thank you, Chris, for always being 00:37:56.320 --> 00:38:00.630 there. Appreciate you listening and let's see 00:38:00.630 --> 00:38:05.409 if we have anything over here on on Twitter Jim 00:38:05.409 --> 00:38:10.230 Wilson K5 ND says Congratulations to Scott on 00:38:10.230 --> 00:38:12.590 his very successful three -year tenures editor 00:38:12.590 --> 00:38:14.610 of the National Contest Journal. That's actually 00:38:14.610 --> 00:38:19.150 on my list to Impressive to squeeze that in amidst 00:38:19.150 --> 00:38:24.340 all of this work. So So thank you also for that. 00:38:24.460 --> 00:38:26.760 And we have another call on the line. So let's 00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:31.360 go to the phones. Bloomington, Indiana. Hello. 00:38:33.139 --> 00:38:37.900 Hey, Neil. It's Ryan, KD9DAB. Long time no talk. 00:38:38.860 --> 00:38:42.119 Yeah, it's been a long time. I saw the caller 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.320 ID. I thought I'd do my tribute to Larry King 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:48.960 there. And, you know, Bloomington, Indiana. Hello. 00:38:53.019 --> 00:38:56.900 Well, go ahead, Ryan. Yeah. Yeah, I just wanted 00:38:56.900 --> 00:39:02.539 to say thank you to Dr. Scott. I didn't even 00:39:02.539 --> 00:39:05.619 I knew that you had been involved with some of 00:39:05.619 --> 00:39:09.659 the studies with COVID and stuff like that. I've 00:39:09.659 --> 00:39:12.860 seen that around on Twitter, read the paper and 00:39:12.860 --> 00:39:15.679 then saw your name on it. That was really cool 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:20.630 to see. I've been keeping up on it. I'm not sure 00:39:20.630 --> 00:39:23.670 we haven't caught up in a while, but I'm actually 00:39:23.670 --> 00:39:26.590 studying epidemiology during this crazy time. 00:39:27.750 --> 00:39:30.909 So that was really cool to see the connect and 00:39:30.909 --> 00:39:35.050 it's great to hear Ham's helping out during this 00:39:35.050 --> 00:39:39.730 unprecedented time. Thanks, Ryan. It just seems 00:39:39.730 --> 00:39:41.610 like the other day we saw each other at Dayton 00:39:41.610 --> 00:39:44.250 and you were getting awards and leading the K 00:39:44.250 --> 00:39:49.730 -9 SOU, Neil told me during break that you are 00:39:49.730 --> 00:39:52.670 a grad student now at IU, so congratulations 00:39:52.670 --> 00:39:55.690 on all you're doing. I have to say, what an exciting 00:39:55.690 --> 00:39:58.869 time to be studying epidemiology. It really brings 00:39:58.869 --> 00:40:01.849 it home, right? Bill Gates in his letter, he 00:40:01.849 --> 00:40:03.829 and Melinda Gates to the letter to their foundation 00:40:03.829 --> 00:40:07.269 and the community writ large said this past week 00:40:07.269 --> 00:40:09.210 that this is the year that global health became 00:40:09.210 --> 00:40:12.570 global. So how exciting, Ryan, and hopefully 00:40:12.570 --> 00:40:15.110 you can get involved in some studies and do some 00:40:15.110 --> 00:40:17.449 things while the pandemic is going on to help 00:40:17.449 --> 00:40:25.119 with your education. Yeah, I was also Thinking 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.699 about this, this semester I'm taking two classes 00:40:28.699 --> 00:40:32.239 that are perfect for this time. I'm taking infectious 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:35.300 epidemiology and then public health informatics. 00:40:35.340 --> 00:40:38.519 So all this data wrangling with contact tracing 00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.559 and stuff like that. We got to figure out the 00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:44.119 backbone of it. That's my plan this semester. 00:40:45.099 --> 00:40:48.840 So yeah, I really appreciate all that you've 00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:54.030 done. I also read your paper about the heart 00:40:54.030 --> 00:40:56.710 attack risk with homeless populations. That was 00:40:56.710 --> 00:41:01.269 really awesome to read. IU were really kind of 00:41:01.269 --> 00:41:03.210 pounding in social determinants of health and 00:41:03.210 --> 00:41:05.090 stuff like that. So that's fantastic to hear. 00:41:06.090 --> 00:41:09.449 Oh, thank you. Yes, that's a very sobering set 00:41:09.449 --> 00:41:12.510 of data for those who are listening to Neil's 00:41:12.510 --> 00:41:15.460 show tonight. We published a paper in the Mayo 00:41:15.460 --> 00:41:17.760 Clinic Proceedings showing that if you are homeless 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.139 and have a heart attack, your risk of dying is 00:41:20.139 --> 00:41:22.239 probably double what someone who's not homeless 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.659 is. So it's an important group of patients to 00:41:25.659 --> 00:41:28.570 pay special attention to. You know, Ryan, I want 00:41:28.570 --> 00:41:30.070 to give a little shout out right now, if I may, 00:41:30.170 --> 00:41:32.610 to the dean at the Ohio State University Medical 00:41:32.610 --> 00:41:34.530 Center. They actually have mobile units that 00:41:34.530 --> 00:41:37.550 go out and try to treat homeless people and to 00:41:37.550 --> 00:41:40.650 do follow -up care. And I wish all of the major 00:41:40.650 --> 00:41:43.010 hospitals would do what we're seeing that the 00:41:43.010 --> 00:41:45.210 chancellor has started at Ohio State. Excuse 00:41:45.210 --> 00:41:48.030 me, the Ohio State University Medical Center. 00:41:48.349 --> 00:41:53.039 Yes, yes. I realize that both the IU alumnus 00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:56.559 on this call and the UK alumnus on the call have 00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:58.920 probably had painful memories watching our teams 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.820 lose to the Ohio State. But when it comes to 00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:04.659 public health and global health, we put all that 00:42:04.659 --> 00:42:12.519 aside and work together. Absolutely, 100%. Ryan, 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:14.880 thank you so much for giving a call tonight. 00:42:16.170 --> 00:42:19.590 Good luck with the studies and keep on working 00:42:19.590 --> 00:42:23.449 on all that epidemiology. That's a fabulous time 00:42:23.449 --> 00:42:28.650 to be studying that. It should hit right home. 00:42:30.570 --> 00:42:33.510 Right on. Well, thanks for having me, Neil. Both 00:42:33.510 --> 00:42:37.869 of you guys stay safe and I'll catch you sometime 00:42:37.869 --> 00:42:40.929 later. Thank you, Ryan. Nice to hear from you. 00:42:40.929 --> 00:42:46.710 73. 73, Ryan. We have a very interesting story 00:42:46.710 --> 00:42:50.389 during the COVID study in New Hampshire. We had 00:42:50.389 --> 00:42:52.869 a couple of patients who wanted to receive convalescent 00:42:52.869 --> 00:42:56.550 plasma, but they were unable to take it because 00:42:56.550 --> 00:42:58.630 they were both critically ill and unable to give 00:42:58.630 --> 00:43:01.550 informed consent. And we had two other mechanisms 00:43:01.550 --> 00:43:04.409 for patients, for their families or others to 00:43:04.409 --> 00:43:06.369 provide the informed consent, but the laws in 00:43:06.369 --> 00:43:09.050 New Hampshire blocked it. But the families really 00:43:09.050 --> 00:43:12.050 were asking if we couldn't do something. So we 00:43:12.050 --> 00:43:15.579 actually harnessed our connections and use social 00:43:15.579 --> 00:43:17.460 media to get in touch with the governor's office 00:43:17.460 --> 00:43:21.960 and they were able to pass either waive a requirement 00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:25.300 or pass a law to allow during pandemics for patients 00:43:25.300 --> 00:43:28.199 to have access to experimental therapies without 00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:30.460 specifically having to do written informed consent 00:43:30.460 --> 00:43:32.360 if they could give other acceptable means of 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:36.440 consent. So it was a very interesting troubleshooting 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.500 experience that we had that you don't hear about 00:43:39.500 --> 00:43:45.079 very often. Very very interesting. Well Scott, 00:43:45.139 --> 00:43:48.320 I'm looking at the clock and it's it's already 00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:52.500 over time So I do want to mention one last thing 00:43:52.500 --> 00:43:54.719 here before you go because we just haven't had 00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:56.699 had you on here Because you've been so busy with 00:43:56.699 --> 00:44:01.099 all this But Jim Wilson mentioned it, you know, 00:44:01.099 --> 00:44:03.519 congratulations on on the three -year run as 00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:05.639 the editor of the National Contest Journal I 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:10.559 know that you had to Kind of get some relief 00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:15.119 on that throughout the last little bit of your 00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.800 term because of all the research going on but 00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:21.840 but thank you for all of that support and thank 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.920 you for bringing me on there and starting to 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:28.559 Contribute and you've got a new editor that's 00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:34.480 taken over for you Yes, Lee Finkel ky7m a longtime 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:38.400 contest or very experienced writer, attorney 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:40.840 by training, and academic by training has taken 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:44.099 over and is doing a wonderful job. Neil, I just 00:44:44.099 --> 00:44:47.420 have to say that two of the best decisions I 00:44:47.420 --> 00:44:49.820 made as editor were to recruit you and Jim Wilson 00:44:49.820 --> 00:44:53.159 as authors. And both of you touched audiences 00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:56.599 and brought material that no one else had ever 00:44:56.599 --> 00:44:58.579 done before and made the journal much better. 00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.519 So thank you for the kind words, but really like 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.400 this study. The credit belongs largely to those 00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:07.199 who did the writing and the hard work. And so 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.460 thank you, Neil, for putting up with us every 00:45:09.460 --> 00:45:11.800 two months. It seemed always at a challenging 00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:16.219 time from our schedules to get the articles in. 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:18.920 But you did it. And you did some great interviews. 00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:20.960 And almost every issue that I was editor, we 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:24.199 had someone who was a younger person, a youth 00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:27.800 contestor on the cover, which was great. And 00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:31.159 we did our part to help grow a ham radio. among 00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:34.760 younger operators and Jim helped us with explaining 00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.960 a lot of VHF and UHF contesting tips and tricks 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:40.840 and techniques and it was just you know both 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:43.960 of you just brought tremendous value to the journal 00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:45.760 I hope that you'll both continue writing for 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:48.679 it for the long time and i want to say you know 00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:50.760 i'm working right now on a series of articles 00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:54.619 for ncj about uh... what we call gateways uh... 00:45:54.619 --> 00:45:57.300 events to contesting so i'm looking forward frank 00:45:57.300 --> 00:46:00.340 allen i have some exclusive data from the a double 00:46:00.340 --> 00:46:03.250 r l the were analyzing and uh... looking forward 00:46:03.250 --> 00:46:05.489 to submitting that later this year to NCJ and 00:46:05.489 --> 00:46:09.010 also to QST. So even though I'm no longer editor, 00:46:09.670 --> 00:46:12.070 I carry the title past editor with great pride 00:46:12.070 --> 00:46:15.489 and the passion for writing hasn't left. So you'll 00:46:15.489 --> 00:46:17.030 probably see works from me from time to time 00:46:17.030 --> 00:46:20.409 being submitted. Well, we look forward to it. 00:46:20.429 --> 00:46:23.389 Thank you so much for all of that and thank you 00:46:23.389 --> 00:46:26.309 for being on the show tonight again to fill us 00:46:26.309 --> 00:46:30.139 in on the next chapter of this whole study and 00:46:30.139 --> 00:46:35.460 really appreciate all that you do and I appreciate 00:46:35.460 --> 00:46:38.039 your friendship and your willingness to come 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:41.880 on here and talk about all this stuff. So thank 00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.719 you so much and we'll do it again soon, I'm sure. 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:49.139 Thank you, Neil, and give my best to Julie, your 00:46:49.139 --> 00:46:51.420 lovely bride, and congratulations again on your 00:46:51.420 --> 00:46:55.800 wedding earlier in 2020. Well, thank you so much. 00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:58.059 All right, well, we're going to finish things 00:46:58.059 --> 00:47:01.719 up here tonight. That is a wrap for this week's 00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.039 edition of HamTalk Live. Thanks to my guests, 00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:07.300 Dr. Scott Wright, KZeroMD and everybody out there 00:47:07.300 --> 00:47:10.400 in cyberspace for listening and calling in, typing 00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:13.039 in and invite you back next Thursday night, 9 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:16.340 p .m. Eastern Time. And for a list of our upcoming 00:47:16.340 --> 00:47:19.179 guests, visit HamTalkLive .com. 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So for now, this 00:48:45.489 --> 00:48:49.889 is Neil Rapp, WB9VPG, saying 7 to 3, 7 to 5, 00:48:49.929 --> 00:48:52.750 and may the good DX be yours.