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slash amateur. Tonight, Rob Zarges, K2MZ joins
us on the Orlando Amateur Radio Club and hamcation
Zoom line. Rob is from Wista, Massachusetts,
and he is a relatively new ham licensed In late
2019, he immediately caught the CW bug and has
become very active in both CW Ops and the Long
Island CW Club. Now he is paying it forward by
teaching young people just as he learned CW with
the Long Island CW Club. Rob is working to rebuild
areas in western Massachusetts and is the executive
director of a kasa program if you're not familiar
with that that's court appointed special advocate
program uh... that represents uh... young children
who need that in the court system and as a professor
at clark university so rob welcome to the show
well thanks for having me neil we're going to
talk a lot about learning cw tonight we're going
to focus on the youth some but uh... but we'll
get into a little bit of that with with every
angle of CW and Howard Bernstein WB2UZE was here
a couple of years ago to talk about the then
new Long Island CW club and since then it's really
taken off and you've got a large youth program
that you're leading yourself And with the pandemic,
I know that there's been a big push for classes
for young people, and it's really taken off.
So tell us about the growth of the youth branch
of the Long Island CW club. Yeah, okay. So the
youth club at the Long Island CW club started
really back in March of 2020 when pretty much
everything was shutting down and there were starting
to be, you know, restrictions and kids were being
sent home from school and they were now being
learning school, you know, learning from home
and, you know, parents were at home learning,
you know, working from home and I said to Howard,
I said we should teach some classes for kids
and see, you know, that will give them something
to do during the day. And he thought it was a
great idea. And I really thought it was only
going to be Maybe a dozen kids from members of
our club, which was about, you know, 400 people
at that point, maybe 500 people at that point.
And I figured maybe we get a dozen kids that
grandkids or kids of the members that were interested
in it. Well, they got promoted on Facebook and
all over the place. And that first round in March,
late March of 2020, we had 75 kids sign up for
our first round of classes. What I thought was
going to be a half an hour class three times
a week ended up being every day. We ran three
different age groups and it's taken off since
then. We're going to cross the 300 number of
kids that have taken CW classes and learned CW
Morse code with this coming class that starts
on April 5th this next month. So it's been really
incredible to see the growth and the kids are
amazing and they pick it up so quick. And it's
really been a pleasure. I really get a lot of
joy out of teaching the kids classes. Well, congratulations
on the numbers. That's absolutely fabulous that
you've been able to get that many people through.
And I know in teaching kids CW in school, I've
done that a few times when we've had requests
for it. And they really get into it. They like
to take it on. Um, sometimes it's kind of challenging
when the letters start piling up, you know, they're
doing great for the first few. And then when
they, when they pile up, then it kind of thins
out a little bit, but, uh, we keep working on
it and they've done really well. And they really
like having this, this, this secret code that
they can communicate with. That's not necessarily
all that secret, but. But most other teachers
don't know it. Right, exactly. Well, you know,
I always ask the kids why they want to learn
Morse code and about half of them say that they
have a grandparent or a parent that's into CW
and they want to be able to communicate with
them on air or they want to be able to talk to
their grandpa. I live in Illinois. My grandfather
lives in Florida. I want to be able to have a
conversation in CW with him on the air. 25 %
of the kids do want that secret code they like
the idea of spies and You know what what happened
in World War two and things on those lines So
we have some history buff kids and then we have
some that are just their parents are making them
take it and that's okay, too I mean, let's be
real. Sometimes they're gonna you're gonna take
this class because I don't know what to do with
you for this half hour So but you know, it's
been really incredible. We've had very little
attrition in the classes. Kids who start classes
tend to finish them and then move on to intermediate
and advanced classes as well. We have kids that
are sending upwards of 20 -25 words a minute.
I was working with my advanced class tonight
right before this and I was sending it 25 words
a minute and I had one boy in there that was
100 % copy. So these kids are amazing. They really
are and it's something that is been pretty predominant
among the youth community. I work with Yoda and
I look at the modes that they choose to use during
Yoda month and many, many times it's CW. There's
just a lot of really good CW operators out there
in the youth community, and sometimes we don't
always recognize that, but they are out there,
and as you're seeing, obviously, it is growing
by no stretch of the imagination. Yeah, I was
really shocked. I mean to be honest with you
in a digital age Why would why would kids be
interested in and you know, really something
that's pretty antiquated and other than hand
operators at this point in the world There's
really nobody else using it But you know, they
really get into it and I love the keys and they
like to you know They like they like to be able
to you know, try to increase their speed and
and you know The learning process has been awesome.
They learn it so fast and I think you know what
I'm finding is that That eight to 11, 13 -year
-old brain, boy, they pick it up quick. And they
are fast learners, and they can quickly increase
speed. And I know for a lot of adults who are
either getting back into CW or learning CW for
the first time, increasing speed is a real difficulty.
But it's been amazing to watch these kids just
really kind of crank through it. We've had kids
as young as five. I had one young boy who was
five years old. He couldn't even read yet. He
was just learning sight words in kindergarten.
and he would copy 100 % and he would say the
letter out loud and his parent would write it
down the letters as he said them and then he
wouldn't even be able to read the word that I
sent and he would say mom what does that say
and she would say the word he would say the word
and I said that's exactly right so right I mean
it's just amazing how their brains can just absorb
this and we know that from language acquisition
anyway right it's easier to learn a language
when you're a child than it is maybe when you're
54 years old like I am Well, you're talking to
another very similar example of that five years
old. That's when I learned CW and got my license
and took the CW exam back when they had the novice
license. of all these people and and no one believes
that a five -year -old could do this and uh...
you know i got twenty three letters in a row
you needed twenty five uh... the first time around
the next time i got a hundred and four and so
they passed the the sheet around the the room
and had everybody sign it because they knew no
one would believe know, a five -year -old could
do this, and I did, and, you know, worked my
way up to 20, but it's a really cool thing. And
yeah, you know, I knew my alphabet at that point,
but I was just starting to read and just starting
to put words together, and it worked out just
great. There's a lot of opportunity there for
kids to learn CW early on and I'm very grateful
that you're taking the time to do it the right
way and to work with them on a daily basis now
to keep everything going and it's just great.
For those that are out there to learn CW, whether
they're youth or not, what are your recommendations
for that? What do you do with the club to help
them to learn? And is it any different for the
youth than the other groups? Yeah, it's really
not any different than what we're doing with
the youth classes. We do do them separately.
We don't have adults with with youth learning
CW. But the only thing, you know, the only thing
is different is we do more characters in a setting
with kids than we do with adults. Adults, we
tend to do two characters at a time. We have
a beginner's one class which covers the first
20 characters. There's 40 characters in Morris
code. And then we have a beginner's two that
covers the next 20 characters and and kind of
accumulates the number of characters that you're
learning and also having to retain. In the kids
classes we do that four at a time and so we in
three and a half weeks meeting one Monday, Wednesdays
and Fridays we go through the whole they learn
the whole alphabet and then we spend a couple
of weeks just reviewing and we're sending words
and sending questions and sending all kinds of
stuff back and forth to kind of start to get
them to see how they put these random characters
that they've learned in this random order now
that their words, as soon as they have vowels,
I start sending words so that kids can see how
this is going to be used. And so it's the same
process. You break down the, you know, CW is
an auditory language, so you'd want to hear a
sound and know what that sound is as a letter
in your brain, right? And so we don't want kids
or adults looking at the sheets that have the
A and the We don't want to see those dits and
dahs. We want them to hear a sound. As soon as
they hear a sound, they know what that letter
is. And then we just keep practicing and practicing
and practicing until it becomes second nature
for you. Whether you're an adult or a child,
that's the same process. It's just a little speedier
for the kids. And we move them on to start learning
how to decrease the spaces between the letters.
So that's called Farnsworth. It's a methodology
where we... set a certain amount of time between
sent letters, so that gives the brain an opportunity
to process that. And then we use the Koch method,
which is a certain order of letters. I don't
think the Koch method really makes a difference.
I think you can learn it, and there's several...
sets of letters that you can learn in different
orders. CW Ops, for example, uses a different
methodology where they learn the most frequent
letters first and then kind of build from there.
I don't think it really matters. I think ultimately
as you pick one methodology and you commit yourself
to it, it takes practice and it takes listening
and it takes sending practice, both of them,
listening and sending. Very good. Um, well you
have those, uh, classes available and you know,
it's called the Long Island CW club. And I know
Howard said, you know, if he knew the, the, um,
the outpouring that was going to take place,
they might've picked a different name because
it sounds like it's just for Long Island, but
it's really not. So talk a little bit about that.
Yeah so Long Island CW club right now we have
members in every state and I think we're up to
like almost 40 countries and you know all of
our classes are done over zoom so you know wherever
you are in the world you can log into zoom at
those different times that our class and right
now I think we're running close to 70 classes
a week so there's always a class going on at
some point at the Long Island CW club even if
you're in the UK west coast east coast doesn't
matter and you know, we have people from all
over the world. And same with the kids club.
I expected it to be mostly kids in the Northeast.
And in our first round, we had kids from Ireland,
from Great Britain, from about 22 different states
in that first round. And now, you know, we have
like two or three states that we still don't
have kids from, but we're at 47 states, I think,
at this point. But, you know, the technology,
which is so regular to us now, I mean, a lot
of people weren't using Zoom before COVID hit.
Long Island CW Club's been using it for three
and a half years now. So it was pretty innovative
back then, but now it's every day. I'm so sick
of Zoom that in my real world job, I'm happy
to not ever log on to Zoom again. But if it wasn't
for the kids and the other classes, I sign on
every day. But it's really... Anyone who's interested
in learning CW, we want to welcome into a very
low -key, learn at your own pace kind of environment
where you can start with a beginner's class,
go to a beginner's too. We have intermediate
classes. We have increasing speed classes. We
have advanced classes. We have classes for people
that want to be able to send and receive at 40
words a minute. And then we have a whole bunch
of other classes that are just what would it
be in a typical radio club? We have presentations
and we have different kinds of things and forums
that people can attend. And really there's any
time of day you can click into our Zoom rooms
and you would be in a class that would give you
some interest. All right, well we're going to
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on Twitter I've seen that are coming in and we'll
open up the phone lines. and take your questions
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uh... in general the long island c w club where
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youth program K to Mike Zulu is his call and
Talking about CW tonight. So let's see Rob. We
have a few things that have come in on Twitter
here. So We'll take a few of these Let's see,
the first one that came in was from Ki5MIT and
wants to know, did anyone use the Koch method
to learn CW and is it recommended? So I did.
I took my first classes with the Long Island
CW club, even before I had my license. I actually
was about 10 characters in before I took my test
and got my call sign, my original call sign.
But the contra method, you know, it's just one
method, right? So there's nothing magical about
it. It's just what we chose as a club. It's basically
a German The psychologist had designed a random
order of letters to learn so that you weren't
supposed to be able to memorize the order. Now,
I've taught enough kids the order of Koch order
that I haven't memorized. I could tell you the
whole thing probably off the top of my head.
But, you know, the idea is that you're not anticipating
what the next letter is that you're learning,
that you're actually listening to the sound and
that sound is being translated in your brain
to a letter. Again, it's all about listening,
hearing a sound and knowing what that sound is
as a letter, as a character. And so, do I recommend
it? Sure, I do, because that's what we use in
the club. But there's other methodologies out
there that you could definitely learn. There's
some online tools that could use a different
methodology, a different order of letters, but
Koch is just one that you can choose from. All
right, very good. Thank you for sending that
in. That was from KI5MIT. And we have another
one here from Jacob KG7EQN and Long Island CW
number 633, by the way, wants to know some suggestions
for getting young children interested in ham
radio or CW. I don't want to force them. So I
get this question a ton because I do all the
school stuff, but everybody has their own answer.
So let's hear yours. Yeah, I mean, I've found
just in my short experience in ham radio is if
you put some of the technology in their hands
and let them play with it. and then and then
they want to know more about it right and so
when it comes to CW allowing them to to manipulate
a straight key with a side tone so they can hear
the beeps and the debts and the dashes and and
the beeping and all that kind of stuff you know
i have a i have a 23 year old daughter who you
know every time i come down to my shack she's
like what are you going down there to do be deep
be deep be deep be deep right so like she just
kind of hears that here's what i'm doing down
here and has that kind of uh... interest in it
just from the sound of it but i think for kids
i think Putting that technology, putting a hand
talkie in their hand or letting them sit down
at your rig and hearing people from all over
the world either talk or send CW over the air,
that can really help. But I also don't think
that there's anything about, like I said earlier,
about 25 % of the kids that start with us in
our CW club are there because their parents are
making them take the class. And they do very
well. They get very interested. We keep it really
fun and active. It's a 30 -minute class. We learn
four characters. They come back with homework
to send something based on the previous class
and then we crank through the letters and then
we're done in 30 minutes. So it's not a long
drawn -out process in our classes and we make
it really fun for them to attend. But I think
the more you can put the technology in their
hands, you know, the more interested they get.
And I will totally agree that that's pretty much
my response to that question. I got my start
in ham radio at five years old because dad got
a code oscillator out of the closet and Started
fixing it and it started making noises right
and that streak key was there and I was instantly
drawn to it that you know, I could push this
button and this thing would beep Yeah, all kinds
of cool noises Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think
CW is very closely related to some of the video
games that kids play because they are manipulating
a paddle or something in their video game and
they're hearing sounds and all that kind of action.
The same thing with CW. They can press the key
and they can hear something and I think a lot
of kids like that. One of the most sentimental
pieces of ham radio gear I have is a code oscillator
that's in a little jewelry box that was a commemorative
version of the one Carol Perry WB2MGP used in
her classrooms in Long Island to teach CW. And
it was just this cheap little little beeper thing
um and it fit into that and and she would always
you know tell the story of you know she had to
force the kids to put these things away because
they just kept sending cw they loved sending
cw and they really got into it and it was it
was like a reward that they got to do cw uh and
i have that um that signed by carol and I keep
that that sealed up because That's very memorable
to me because I know that she's kind of forged
the way on that and And here we are in Long Island
again or so, you know Staten Island that area
where all of this has happened. So It's pretty
cool. Let's see And then the other you know with
the older kids when I'm doing this at high school
I find again, you know, you put the technology
in front of them. They want to do it, but then
they want to do it themselves right and that's
the motivation is they don't want to have to
have a control operator and And you know, that's
the motivation like you like you said, you know,
you put the technology in front of them and let
it go Yeah, we had out of our first 75 kids,
we had 26 of them then go on and take their license
and pass it. So we were really excited about
that. They were getting some new Hammy operators.
For those of you who operate SKCC, the weekend
sprint, Long Island CW Club is going to be Peter
Rabbit. And we'll have one of our kids who will
actually be one of the operators on the Peter
Rabbit with our club call sign. So that's a pretty
cool thing. Oh, yeah. Definitely cool. All right,
let's see what else we have here. First of all,
Chris W4NRG says, good evening. He recognized
my voice earlier and couldn't believe it. I worked
him on The Last Man Standing. Thing here about
an hour ago. So Chris, thanks for the call. Appreciate
it and Also have a message from dr. Scott right
k0md says do you need to live on Long Island
to be a member of the CW club? And so I guess
I got to that one before he had I had a chance
to read it. So So we got that one in but thanks
for listening Scott. We appreciate you being
there All right, let's see. Oh, yes. And then
Chris, AA4CB says, did it, did it, did it, did
it on it, did on it, da, da, da, da, da, da,
da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da,
da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. So yes,
thank you for listening from Florida, Chris.
We appreciate it. that was it for those of you
don't know code that was high from florida so
uh... alright so let's see what else do we have
here uh... Think we are caught up. So if you
have a question, give us a call eight five nine
nine eight two seven three seven three and you
know, you mentioned something and and I know
they've got these morse code calculator things
which When I did a thing with the Boy Scouts,
they liked the visual and having the white and
black and everything but but if you're learning
this for speed The visual really isn't the best
way to go if you can help it. Is that accurate?
Yeah, I would definitely say if you have one
of those little cheat sheets, throw it in the
garbage and learn it by hearing it. That's how
you're going to learn it. The quickest way is
auditory. And then also, I think going forward,
once you want to increase speed, you don't have
time to look at the dits and dashes. You only
have time to hear and write that letter or type
that letter. And then at some point, around 18
words a minute, you're going to need to start
doing it in your head. because you can't write
that fast. So, you know, I really recommend that
you don't use those visual aids, but that you
do it all by hearing a sound, saying a sound,
and sending a sound, right? That's kind of my
mantra in the kids class. Hear a sound, say the
sound. Hear a letter, say a letter, send a letter,
right? Yeah, I totally agree because I did a
little bit of that translation thing. I didn't
use the visuals, but I would like count dits
and does. And that was fine until, you know,
I got past 13 words a minute when I went there,
you know, Oh, that didn't work. So had to kind
of change that around a little bit. All right.
Well, let's see. We have a call on the line.
So let's go to the phones. Welcome to ham talk
live. Well, I couldn't resist saying hello to
you Neil and also to Rob this is Howard WB to
use Eddie Howard great to hear from you Yeah,
nice show and thank you very much for having
Rob on today. Oh No problem. Thanks for recommending
him Anything with you, but it how's everything
with you Neil it's been a while since we talked
Yeah, things are good doing the last man standing
special event here this week Things at school
are a little slow because of kovat. So we haven't
done ham radio in like a year now But I think
we may get our chance here in a few weeks so
looking forward to that and been working on all
this Yoda camp stuff and got married and and
Got a move planned here in a couple of months,
so it's been busy. Well, congratulations. Where
are you going to be moving to? It's going to
be over in the northern Kentucky area, over by
Cincinnati, so we're still working out the final
details on that, but looks like that's going
to be it. Okay. Well, best of luck on everything.
Well, thank you, Howard. Rob, anything here for
Howard? Well, I don't know if you noticed, Howard's
got a little bit of a Long Island accent and
that's actually what drew me into CW to be honest
with you. I got involved, started looking into
ham radio because I was interested in preparedness
and I was going through, Ham radio crash course
videos and I heard this guy with this accent
and my my mom grew up on the island or in Brooklyn
actually I had the same similar accent. I said,
oh that sounds like a warm cup of coffee I got
to check out that club and that's how I got involved
a lion CW club Well, I'll tell you Neil Rob has
done fantastic in in CW he I know this story
by heart because it's a wonderful thing to report
He came into the club, I think, like October
6th of 2019 and wasn't licensed yet. And by March
of the next year during the COVID lockdown, he
had under his belt about 2 ,500 QSOs already,
and he was ready to teach kids. So from not having
a license in October of 2019 to come the COVID
lockdown, he's teaching kids. and he's very active
in the club and he's very active in our slow
-speed net class and he's getting involved in
traffic up in New England and he's always on
the air offering his time and he teaches. How
many classes are you teaching for us a week now,
Rob? I think it's 11. 11. This is what I call
CW on steroids, Neil. We don't expect this from
everybody, but it's very nice to get it once
in a while, isn't it, huh? Absolutely. Absolutely.
It's a challenge to learn something. It's another
challenge to teach something, and it's another
challenge to teach it to youth. So I'm very proud
of all of Rob's accomplishments and to keep up
with 11 classes. That's amazing. Well, it brings
me a lot of joy. Speaking about the number 11,
it's amazing. The 11 -year -olds that Rob has
taught are incredible. I can tell you a story
about one of them, a young girl up in New England.
We have a number of live QSO classes, Neil, where
we get people on the air while we're all on Zoom.
So if the CW is too fast for the person who's
in the class, I'll do the decoding to take the
pressure off them, and they can practice on their
sending and their protocol. Well, there was an
11 -year -old girl that I think was studying
with Rob for two or three months, and she just
got her general. You know, there's a German station
that we're all working and it was her turn. And
I say, okay, you know, send now and do this and
do that. And I happen to notice that she wasn't
paying attention to me. And I said, what's this
all about? Well, she had the volume down on Zoom
because she was ready to do it all herself. And
she did the entire QSO herself, including the
decoding without any help. Eleven year old general.
And this young girl was taught by Rob. Very cool.
Very cool. Well Howard, thank you so much for
calling in and we appreciate all that you've
done with the club and getting things rolling
and it's been a wild success so congratulations.
Well thank you very much. It's always a pleasure
to... Be on your show Neil you have a great podcast.
I love your voice and all the acoustics that
you have on a very professionally done so You
know, thank you for everything you do for ham
radio, too All right. I'll let you guys finish
up and just wanted to pop in and say hello. So
good night everybody Good night Howard. Good
night Howard. Thanks 73 So Neil I'd be remiss
if I didn't tell you tell the folks how to have
their child sign up for classes Is that right?
Oh, yeah, absolutely Yeah, so if you want to
just send if you send me an email k2mz at yahoo
.com and send me the child's name age state I'm
missing one thing name age State grade And then
I need the parents email phone and name as well
if you send that to me in an email I'll get them
signed up. We have a class starting in about
ten days April 5th. We have about 28 kids signed
up from all over the country We have also another
class that's at 6 30 p .m Eastern time Monday
Wednesdays and Fridays, and then we also have
a class we're doing for the UK Kids as well and
homeschool kids that knew at 1230 Monday, Wednesdays,
and Fridays as well. So if you're interested
in being in one of those classes, that starts
in about 10 days and we can get you all ready
to get learning CW. But just send me an email,
k2mz at yahoo .com. All right. Very good. Well,
we just have a couple of things here to finish
up. And first of all, Dr. Scott Wright, KZOMD
informs me that I busted one of the letters.
I sent an S instead of an L, because I couldn't
read the screen. And he says, are you sure you
need not be a Long Island native or relative
to get involved? Because this whole accent, I
think he's talking about the accent thing here.
Right, right. No, you don't. So anybody from
anywhere in the world can join. All right, so
once again Thank you so much for being here.
And yes, let's recap here how to Sign up for
the Long Island CW club and how to get the youth
signed up Yeah, so if you want to join the adult
club go to long island CW club org a long island
CW club all one word dot org Hit the membership
tab and fill out that form and you'll be signed
up within a couple of days If you want to get
your child involved anywhere from five years
old to all the way up to 18 You can send me an
email Rob I'm sorry k2mz at yahoo .com All right,
well Rob, thank you so much for being here and
great job with the youth and all the 11 classes
and and best of luck on this new one starting
up I appreciate it thanks a lot Neil all right
well that's a wrap for this week's edition of
ham talk live thanks to my guest Rob Zargas K2MZ
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