WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.620 This episode of HamTalk Live is brought to you 00:00:02.620 --> 00:00:06.019 by Tower Electronics. For connectors, cables, 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:12.939 and more, call 920 -435 -2973 or visit pl -259 00:00:12.939 --> 00:00:17.640 .com. And by ICOM, heard it, worked it, logged 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:22.859 it. Visit www .icomamerica .com slash amateur 00:00:22.859 --> 00:00:31.890 for more information about ICOM radios. Here 00:00:31.890 --> 00:00:37.890 we go! Welcome to Hamtok Live! Calling less talk, 00:00:38.049 --> 00:00:43.429 Neil's your guy! Hamtok Live! Here we go on Hamtok 00:00:43.429 --> 00:01:01.469 Radio! Good evening everyone! It's time for HamTalk 00:01:01.469 --> 00:01:07.069 Live episode number 253, Hamset Satellite Engineering 00:01:07.069 --> 00:01:11.609 Update, recorded live on Thursday, April 1st, 00:01:11.730 --> 00:01:16.629 2021. I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG. Thanks 00:01:16.629 --> 00:01:19.469 for tuning in to this episode of HamTalk Live. 00:01:19.590 --> 00:01:23.239 Tonight we're joined by Jerry Buxton. in zero 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:27.079 j y and we'll take your calls live later on in 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:32.459 the show last week rob zarges uh k2mz was here 00:01:32.459 --> 00:01:35.879 to talk about the long island cw club youth program 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:38.340 if you missed that show you can listen anytime 00:01:38.340 --> 00:01:42.280 at hamtalklive .com or on your favorite podcast 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:46.099 app or on youtube or you can catch the rebroadcast 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:50.879 of ham talk live saturday afternoons on w t w 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:55.519 w that's uh... fifty eighty five a m again that 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:58.560 saturday afternoons about three thirty p m eastern 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:02.219 time and uh... thanks to everyone who participated 00:02:02.219 --> 00:02:05.459 in the last man standing special event this past 00:02:05.459 --> 00:02:11.139 week uh... made about eleven hundred q so's uh... 00:02:11.139 --> 00:02:15.280 with uh... k six l m s slash nine and k six m 00:02:17.430 --> 00:02:20.469 and uh... so far it looks like the totals are 00:02:20.469 --> 00:02:23.509 up around eighty five thousand turned in so far 00:02:23.509 --> 00:02:27.849 with more logs coming so uh... hang on for those 00:02:27.849 --> 00:02:29.889 certificates it's going to be a while we got 00:02:29.889 --> 00:02:34.569 a process Lou and Sally have to process I should 00:02:34.569 --> 00:02:39.789 say all of that data That we turned in for as 00:02:39.789 --> 00:02:43.930 operators and so it's gonna be a few weeks here 00:02:43.930 --> 00:02:47.550 before the certificates are ready, but They will 00:02:47.550 --> 00:02:51.530 be on their wrist assured. So Thanks to everybody 00:02:51.530 --> 00:02:54.669 who gave me a call and at the other stations 00:02:54.669 --> 00:02:58.289 and we had a had a really good time Although 00:02:58.289 --> 00:03:02.500 boy those pileups were thick Alright, well get 00:03:02.500 --> 00:03:05.280 your questions ready to go for Jerry. We're talking 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.659 satellites tonight If you're listening to us 00:03:08.659 --> 00:03:11.500 live on Thursday night, you can give us a call 00:03:11.500 --> 00:03:15.520 after the interview by Telephone and we'll give 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:17.599 out the number several times throughout the night 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:19.319 I'll go ahead and give it to you now so you can 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:24.300 have it ready. 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I had to spend my money 00:06:49.290 --> 00:06:52.949 on PL -259s. You know, those antenna projects 00:06:52.949 --> 00:06:55.730 I've been meaning to do. I had to do them before 00:06:55.730 --> 00:06:59.529 my HOA finds out I have antennas. That's too 00:06:59.529 --> 00:07:02.050 bad, Jerry. I miss seeing you and catching up 00:07:02.050 --> 00:07:05.350 over coffee. You should get your PL -259s from 00:07:05.350 --> 00:07:12.329 Tower Electronics. They have great stuff. Jerry, 00:07:12.509 --> 00:07:16.629 you're back. Oh, QRM Heterodyne Frappuccino. 00:07:16.970 --> 00:07:19.649 That's a good choice. How's it going? Did you 00:07:19.649 --> 00:07:22.449 get all those antennas up before the HOA police 00:07:22.449 --> 00:07:25.930 showed up? Yeah, I got them all done. Thanks 00:07:25.930 --> 00:07:28.470 for telling me about Tower Electronics. Now I 00:07:28.470 --> 00:07:31.370 can have my coffee. I just saved a bunch of money 00:07:31.370 --> 00:07:35.089 on my PL259s by switching to Tower Electronics. 00:07:35.410 --> 00:07:38.550 Don't get caught without PL259s. Visit Tower 00:07:38.550 --> 00:07:43.290 Electronics online at pl -259 .com or at a ham 00:07:43.290 --> 00:07:47.329 fest near you or give them a call at 920 -435 00:07:47.329 --> 00:07:50.870 -2973 and be sure to pick up some power poles, 00:07:51.009 --> 00:07:55.050 adapters and cables too. Sorry for the delay. 00:07:55.310 --> 00:07:58.470 Your host, Neil Rapp, is reading a book on anti 00:07:58.470 --> 00:08:01.730 -gravity. and he just can't put it down. Now, 00:08:01.730 --> 00:08:17.670 here's more HamTalk Live. Welcome back to HamTalk 00:08:17.670 --> 00:08:20.189 Live. Thanks to Scott and Jill at Tower Electronics 00:08:20.189 --> 00:08:23.769 for sponsoring the show every week. They will 00:08:23.769 --> 00:08:27.069 be at Sandwich, Illinois at the HamFest there 00:08:27.069 --> 00:08:31.000 May 2nd. And then coming up in summertime we 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.460 have Newberry, Michigan and Monroe, Michigan 00:08:33.460 --> 00:08:41.740 but you can visit them anytime at PL -259 .com. 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:45.039 So welcome back to HamTalk Live. Tonight, Jerry 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:48.700 Buxton, N0JY joins us on the Orlando Amateur 00:08:48.700 --> 00:08:52.320 Radio Club and Hamcation Zoom line. Jerry's been 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:56.139 a ham since 1972 and he enjoys giving to the 00:08:56.139 --> 00:08:58.980 community by sharing his God -given talents to 00:08:58.980 --> 00:09:01.539 help build ham satellites and help our communities 00:09:01.539 --> 00:09:05.840 in disaster response. Jerry says there's more 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:08.059 things to do in amateur radio than he could ever. 00:09:08.509 --> 00:09:12.350 get done, but he bounces around between satellites, 00:09:12.570 --> 00:09:16.750 HF, CW, voice and digital modes. He operates 00:09:16.750 --> 00:09:21.110 his HK5JY from Columbia when visiting his wife's 00:09:21.110 --> 00:09:28.769 family, along with his XYL, KD5FCQ, and Jerry's 00:09:28.769 --> 00:09:32.009 the vice president of AMSAT North America, in 00:09:32.009 --> 00:09:34.990 charge of engineering and is the Texas District 00:09:34.990 --> 00:09:39.370 4 radio officer for RACES and And Jerry, it's 00:09:39.370 --> 00:09:41.950 great to have you back. It's been way too long. 00:09:42.950 --> 00:09:45.809 Hello, Neil. It's good to be back. I, in looking 00:09:45.809 --> 00:09:48.409 back at the last time I was here, I didn't realize 00:09:48.409 --> 00:09:51.730 it was that long ago. It was back, uh, three, 00:09:52.029 --> 00:09:54.809 three years ago, wasn't it? So yeah, I believe 00:09:54.809 --> 00:09:59.590 it was. Well, there's been a lot happened since 00:09:59.590 --> 00:10:04.210 three years ago and, uh, there's been a lot happening 00:10:04.210 --> 00:10:09.399 recently. And so, um, for some of those people 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:13.360 who may not be aware of You know some of the 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:17.460 satellite happenings in the past year or so Let's 00:10:17.460 --> 00:10:22.080 talk a little bit about Some of the recent launches 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:25.100 and and some of the things that you've learned 00:10:25.100 --> 00:10:31.000 from launching these satellites Sure thing we 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:34.799 guess we could go right back to 2018 and and 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:39.059 catch up from there and Since then, we did have 00:10:39.059 --> 00:10:43.440 AO -95 was launched in December of 2018. That 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:48.419 was Fox 1 Cliff. It was on a Falcon 9 rocket 00:10:48.419 --> 00:10:51.820 on the SSOA mission that Spaceflight put together. 00:10:52.100 --> 00:10:57.000 And then we had Fox 1E, RATF -XAT -2, AO -109 00:10:57.000 --> 00:11:00.799 currently up, that was launched just in January 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:06.279 of this year. All right. And so, oh, go ahead. 00:11:06.860 --> 00:11:11.240 Oh, that's all right. You mentioned what has 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:14.159 been learned from those and as anybody who's 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:17.080 familiar following with the satellites what we 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:20.620 do, AO95 experienced a problem right from the 00:11:20.620 --> 00:11:25.720 get -go that it was basically, to put it the 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:28.960 easiest way, it's deaf. So we were unable to 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:32.679 get any commands through or to be able to do 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:35.120 anything to activate the satellite and unfortunately 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:39.360 that includes uh turning the beacon on for for 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:42.620 uh more different data more and different data 00:11:42.620 --> 00:11:47.360 so through all that we tried several different 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:50.559 techniques and all sorts of power levels and 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:53.059 it appears that that's just going to be the way 00:11:53.059 --> 00:11:55.899 that is until perhaps something shakes loose 00:11:55.899 --> 00:11:58.639 from you know being old age in orbit who knows 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.480 what might happen the uh yeah you could have 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.840 another a07 on your hands and You know what, 00:12:05.860 --> 00:12:09.019 that would be cool. The trick is these days that 00:12:09.019 --> 00:12:12.019 none of the orbits, with the exception of AO 00:12:12.019 --> 00:12:14.399 -85 actually, was up high enough that it could 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:18.360 last over a decade. But most of the satellites 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.399 these days, even the LEO rocket launches that 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:24.500 we get on, are only going to be up there maybe 00:12:24.500 --> 00:12:27.940 five years or so. So it would take a pretty quick 00:12:27.940 --> 00:12:29.539 turnaround to get them working, but you never 00:12:29.539 --> 00:12:32.080 know what might happen. The thing with AO -95 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:36.669 is that it It does still provide us with a very 00:12:36.669 --> 00:12:40.750 good set of data from the telemetry because it 00:12:40.750 --> 00:12:44.669 is giving us good indications of what the environment 00:12:44.669 --> 00:12:46.789 and what the satellite, the Fox One type satellite, 00:12:46.850 --> 00:12:51.309 is like when it's not being used. The transponder, 00:12:51.330 --> 00:12:54.149 of course, gets heavy use, which is what they're 00:12:54.149 --> 00:12:56.789 for and what everybody likes them for. But with 00:12:56.789 --> 00:13:00.149 the lack of that and just the transmitted beacon 00:13:00.149 --> 00:13:02.929 every two minutes, especially the batteries, 00:13:03.049 --> 00:13:04.870 which if you look back to the previous ones I'll 00:13:04.870 --> 00:13:07.330 talk about in just a little bit, but that helps 00:13:07.330 --> 00:13:09.830 us get some data on what the battery life is 00:13:09.830 --> 00:13:16.389 like in the different conditions. The baseline 00:13:16.389 --> 00:13:19.350 cause for that that we have best determined is 00:13:19.350 --> 00:13:22.909 that there was a component probably in the receiver. 00:13:23.950 --> 00:13:26.389 The receiver and transmitter are separate PC 00:13:26.389 --> 00:13:31.269 boards in the satellite. Likely it appears that 00:13:31.269 --> 00:13:33.529 perhaps something in the front end of the receiver 00:13:33.529 --> 00:13:37.389 had a solder problem, solder connection problem, 00:13:37.409 --> 00:13:40.549 so it came loose or became a bad connection and 00:13:40.549 --> 00:13:42.950 that's what causes the deafness. There's really 00:13:42.950 --> 00:13:46.269 not any other device that we can say that would 00:13:46.269 --> 00:13:50.230 cause it to be that deaf any other path. So the 00:13:50.230 --> 00:13:52.909 things go on undergo quite a bit of quite a bit 00:13:52.909 --> 00:13:55.830 of shaking when they go into orbit and of course 00:13:55.830 --> 00:14:00.470 we test them for that prior to it. It is it's 00:14:00.470 --> 00:14:03.350 much beyond what your typical ham radio experiences 00:14:03.350 --> 00:14:06.330 or is usually You know tested for even for that 00:14:06.330 --> 00:14:09.490 matter So there are can't just run up there and 00:14:09.490 --> 00:14:11.610 grab it and bring it back and fix it and put 00:14:11.610 --> 00:14:14.690 it back You know, it's it's it's not like a trip 00:14:14.690 --> 00:14:18.090 to the repeater site That's the truth. It is. 00:14:18.230 --> 00:14:21.049 Yeah, even a remote repeater site. You can eventually 00:14:21.049 --> 00:14:24.149 get there, right? So it is that's that's the 00:14:24.149 --> 00:14:28.299 most Confounding part to deal with I guess is 00:14:28.299 --> 00:14:32.600 that it's all done in the dark if you will and 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:35.840 We did have early on Bob Davis our Mechanical 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:37.860 engineer was the first one to step up and say 00:14:37.860 --> 00:14:40.379 that if we ever did have a problem He wouldn't 00:14:40.379 --> 00:14:42.279 mind volunteering to make the trip if we could 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:46.720 do it. So But that's a little bit out of our 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:51.470 budget I think Yeah, probably so. Probably so. 00:14:51.750 --> 00:14:54.149 Well, you know, it was disappointing because 00:14:54.149 --> 00:14:57.750 I use, you know, a lot of the FM satellites and 00:14:57.750 --> 00:15:01.730 the LEO satellites and I have some equipment 00:15:01.730 --> 00:15:07.029 now to start allowing me to get on linears and 00:15:07.029 --> 00:15:10.830 I'll be starting to work on that soon, as soon 00:15:10.830 --> 00:15:14.149 as the move takes place. But now that I've got 00:15:14.149 --> 00:15:18.710 actually two rigs that'll do it. When two weeks 00:15:18.710 --> 00:15:22.889 ago I had none so I'm looking forward to that, 00:15:22.909 --> 00:15:27.409 but I was really hoping you know that These new 00:15:27.409 --> 00:15:29.730 ones would the transponders would be working 00:15:29.730 --> 00:15:34.470 because the the FM Leos are just overwhelmed 00:15:34.470 --> 00:15:36.809 sometimes with the amount of traffic that's on 00:15:36.809 --> 00:15:40.230 them, but You know what you're talking about 00:15:40.230 --> 00:15:44.919 here is is That you can still get something out 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:48.000 of this even though yeah, we're all disappointed 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:51.299 That the transponder is not working. We can't 00:15:51.299 --> 00:15:55.320 talk through it You're gonna be able to use this 00:15:55.320 --> 00:16:01.440 data to improve on things In the future it's 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:05.960 not all a lost cause No, it's definitely not 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:09.539 I am I completely understand we completely understand 00:16:09.539 --> 00:16:12.509 that The fact that the transponder isn't there 00:16:12.509 --> 00:16:17.789 is a big loss, and that's something that is very 00:16:17.789 --> 00:16:21.809 evident. It's part of the fun also to hear people 00:16:21.809 --> 00:16:23.970 using it, especially the first contacts or something. 00:16:24.450 --> 00:16:26.350 That's what I always say. That's my paycheck 00:16:26.350 --> 00:16:28.389 when somebody, especially a kid, says, hey, I 00:16:28.389 --> 00:16:29.970 just talked to somebody through a satellite. 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.759 For our point of view, yeah, we're not sitting 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:36.440 idle going, well, that didn't work. Let's do 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:38.639 something else. We're taking all that stuff with 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:43.019 us. It is hard to quantify in a mass way because 00:16:43.019 --> 00:16:45.759 it is a lot of data and a lot of discussion that 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:49.059 is ongoing, actually, as we engage it in different 00:16:49.059 --> 00:16:54.620 types of projects. So that one is, well, at least 00:16:54.620 --> 00:16:56.679 we've got something going with that. Like I said, 00:16:56.779 --> 00:16:59.240 we'll go. help back with the battery situation. 00:16:59.940 --> 00:17:02.919 And AO109 then, the most recent one, of course, 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:07.220 double disappointment for transponder fans, or 00:17:07.220 --> 00:17:09.440 repeater fans, transponder fans in this case. 00:17:09.900 --> 00:17:14.500 The transponder is working. It's very weak. And 00:17:14.500 --> 00:17:18.180 we've been, obviously, been a couple months just 00:17:18.180 --> 00:17:20.799 working all sorts of angles to understand what's 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:23.980 going on and to try to command it or be able 00:17:23.980 --> 00:17:26.119 to put it in a state where we could either get 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:29.039 some telemetry to understand more or get it in 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:31.740 a state where we can say okay this is this is 00:17:31.740 --> 00:17:35.900 what we've got go for it and that weak transponder 00:17:35.900 --> 00:17:39.460 may likely be what that's going to be but until 00:17:39.460 --> 00:17:42.539 as far as i can hold out so to speak against 00:17:42.539 --> 00:17:46.259 the operations guys until we have tried a lot 00:17:46.259 --> 00:17:48.599 of things so that we can help understand what 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:52.680 is wrong with it and we're about run out of ideas 00:17:53.349 --> 00:17:58.130 It appears that the most likely cause is that 00:17:58.130 --> 00:18:01.490 the IHU, which is the computer, the MCU that 00:18:01.490 --> 00:18:06.769 runs the whole system, it is not operating or 00:18:06.769 --> 00:18:12.250 it is degraded quite a bit. The IHU, when the 00:18:12.250 --> 00:18:14.710 spacecraft is first deployed from the launcher, 00:18:15.930 --> 00:18:18.930 it turns on and it starts a timer that is required 00:18:18.930 --> 00:18:22.509 by the launch vehicle's providers. to make sure 00:18:22.509 --> 00:18:25.529 that you're far enough away from the launch vehicle 00:18:25.529 --> 00:18:27.569 before you start deploying antennas and such 00:18:27.569 --> 00:18:32.950 like that and transmitting. So the IHU it appears 00:18:32.950 --> 00:18:36.670 did not survive or did not operate for the entire 00:18:36.670 --> 00:18:40.490 50 minute countdown and that the antennas did 00:18:40.490 --> 00:18:43.009 not deploy. Now we can't prove that but that 00:18:43.009 --> 00:18:46.029 would be a good reason for the weak signal on 00:18:46.029 --> 00:18:48.650 the transponder and the fact that the transponder 00:18:48.650 --> 00:18:52.779 is there is And also an indication, the way the 00:18:52.779 --> 00:18:56.359 operation appears to be, that the IHU is not 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:59.900 operating because the failover, in case of the 00:18:59.900 --> 00:19:02.799 IHU failure, and this was true on all the Foxes, 00:19:02.819 --> 00:19:07.039 and will end the Golf too, is that if the IHU 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:09.819 can't control things and do the different modes 00:19:09.819 --> 00:19:13.579 and the telemetry and such like that, the transponder 00:19:13.579 --> 00:19:15.859 will just operate on its own. So that's what 00:19:15.859 --> 00:19:18.609 it appears to be doing. we would like to be able 00:19:18.609 --> 00:19:21.930 to recover the IHU to the extent we can if we 00:19:21.930 --> 00:19:25.950 can manage to get it to release the antennas. 00:19:26.230 --> 00:19:28.589 If it has gone through the full 50 -minute cycle, 00:19:29.069 --> 00:19:31.430 then it should be able to cut the antennas loose. 00:19:31.670 --> 00:19:34.710 And it does seem to be that it might have made 00:19:34.710 --> 00:19:36.509 it that far because the transponder is working. 00:19:37.710 --> 00:19:40.589 But I guess you get the picture maybe that it's 00:19:40.589 --> 00:19:43.410 kind of just speculating even as I think it out 00:19:43.410 --> 00:19:48.380 here. The telemetry is a key factor because this 00:19:48.380 --> 00:19:50.740 is one of our partnerships with Vanderbilt University 00:19:50.740 --> 00:19:54.480 and actually they wrote and submitted the CSLI 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:58.660 for this launch so they have a mission of their 00:19:58.660 --> 00:20:02.359 radiation detection with experiments on board 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:05.440 and different components that flew on the earlier 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:08.559 Fox ones as they as they look at different components 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:14.119 in the radiation levels in in Leo. So it would 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:16.660 be nice if we could get at least some of the 00:20:16.660 --> 00:20:19.200 telemetry and some of the science for them. So 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:21.519 that is also a reason that we're working hard 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:23.539 to try to keep it going rather than just saying, 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:26.759 okay, we'll just go with the, you know, the weak 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:29.440 transponder and everybody will be happy because 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:31.500 not quite everybody would be happy with that. 00:20:31.740 --> 00:20:33.480 But we learned we're taking a lot away with this. 00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:35.759 We've already had discussions about how, you 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:37.500 know, what we're going to do with that in golf 00:20:37.500 --> 00:20:40.730 because we are in course in the course of constructing 00:20:40.730 --> 00:20:44.769 golf tee. So we want to take those opportunities 00:20:44.769 --> 00:20:48.230 to make those changes and take things into account 00:20:48.230 --> 00:20:50.490 as soon as we can rather than thinking about 00:20:50.490 --> 00:20:56.690 them later. Well let's talk about some of the 00:20:56.690 --> 00:21:05.349 lessons that could be helpful in the future by 00:21:05.349 --> 00:21:11.539 looking back at little bit in the past so you 00:21:11.539 --> 00:21:17.279 know it was kind of a perfect storm these new 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:22.160 satellites aren't repeating and operating you 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.539 know as far as our radio transmissions are concerned 00:21:26.539 --> 00:21:29.160 and the way we'd like and then all of a sudden 00:21:31.069 --> 00:21:36.369 91 and 92 are both having battery issues and 00:21:36.369 --> 00:21:40.430 and and 85 and so talk a little bit about AO 00:21:40.430 --> 00:21:45.069 85 and 91 and 92 and and what's happened and 00:21:45.069 --> 00:21:50.109 how maybe this this telemetry from 95 and 109 00:21:50.109 --> 00:21:54.490 can actually help with that problem in the future 00:21:54.490 --> 00:22:01.029 yeah the especially AO 95 because 109 doesn't 00:22:01.029 --> 00:22:02.970 actually even have any telemetry, although it 00:22:02.970 --> 00:22:07.829 does work on the very same bus that the previous 00:22:07.829 --> 00:22:11.549 ones did, so with the same batteries. AO -85, 00:22:12.049 --> 00:22:14.410 first of all, all the Fox satellites, when they 00:22:14.410 --> 00:22:17.029 were initially designed, the initial design was 00:22:17.029 --> 00:22:21.329 made back in around 2009 -2010. The batteries 00:22:21.329 --> 00:22:23.470 that were chosen for them were NiCad, and the 00:22:23.470 --> 00:22:27.609 NiCad were chosen because at that time they were 00:22:27.609 --> 00:22:34.079 the most space proven of battery cells that are 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:36.640 easily available, consumer available if you will, 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:40.759 and small enough to fit into a CubeSat. So the 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:43.299 cells that were chosen though by the time everything 00:22:43.299 --> 00:22:47.059 was developed, they were actually out of production 00:22:47.059 --> 00:22:50.900 either at that time or very shortly after as 00:22:50.900 --> 00:22:53.220 the industry was switching consumer -wise to 00:22:53.220 --> 00:22:57.579 different battery chemistries and so that stock 00:22:59.699 --> 00:23:04.339 was the capacity of those batteries was degrading 00:23:04.339 --> 00:23:05.980 as they sat on the shelf. Even though they have 00:23:05.980 --> 00:23:08.579 a fairly long shelf life, you know, the capacity, 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.920 the ability to hold that charge and the current, 00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:15.160 the output for as long as they can diminishes. 00:23:15.779 --> 00:23:18.359 So it really came about to when we were ready 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:20.240 to get the batteries for the Fox satellites, 00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:26.089 which was after I had become BPE. Batteries America, 00:23:26.470 --> 00:23:28.690 Everett Yost put them together for us, the match 00:23:28.690 --> 00:23:33.390 sets. He found that the KR1400, which is versus 00:23:33.390 --> 00:23:36.109 the 1700, which we had originally planned, had 00:23:36.109 --> 00:23:37.869 more capacity left in them because they were 00:23:37.869 --> 00:23:39.990 a little bit newer and that's what we went with. 00:23:40.329 --> 00:23:43.329 Nonetheless, they were all, as I said, outdated 00:23:43.329 --> 00:23:47.009 and then you wind up also sitting around for 00:23:47.009 --> 00:23:50.049 some years waiting for the launch. Now that can 00:23:50.049 --> 00:23:55.309 be mitigated or dealt with to an extent if with 00:23:55.309 --> 00:23:57.650 proper care and conditioning of the batteries. 00:23:58.890 --> 00:24:02.230 Unfortunately the Fox One design and you have 00:24:02.230 --> 00:24:06.069 to bear in mind that with Fox One A as soon as 00:24:06.069 --> 00:24:10.809 that was in the works or completed the rest of 00:24:10.809 --> 00:24:12.990 the Foxes started having to be built. There was 00:24:12.990 --> 00:24:15.670 no time in between like we had hoped to have 00:24:15.670 --> 00:24:17.829 to where we could learn from the first one because 00:24:17.829 --> 00:24:20.349 the demand was so high. The ability to carry 00:24:20.349 --> 00:24:24.009 the experiments, the EZSAT FM transponder or 00:24:24.009 --> 00:24:27.309 repeater and all, that was just something that 00:24:27.309 --> 00:24:31.029 had the opportunity both to get launches and 00:24:31.029 --> 00:24:32.809 such like that, to get them to space. Launch 00:24:32.809 --> 00:24:35.670 delays aside, we can't really speak to those, 00:24:35.730 --> 00:24:39.329 but we didn't have a way to condition the batteries. 00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:42.059 We didn't have the type of connection to be able 00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:44.220 to do anything through that other than to keep 00:24:44.220 --> 00:24:47.720 them charged. And it was never intended, as I 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:49.740 said, to be doing that for years, essentially. 00:24:50.059 --> 00:24:53.019 So they were somewhat degraded when they made 00:24:53.019 --> 00:24:57.700 it to orbit. The other thing that is a major 00:24:57.700 --> 00:25:04.160 player is the depth of discharge, the amount 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:08.279 of power that you take out of them during a given 00:25:08.490 --> 00:25:14.490 orbit in this case and that exceeded the 20 percent 00:25:14.490 --> 00:25:17.710 which is preferred for those batteries because 00:25:17.710 --> 00:25:21.470 we had engineered into it as much as we could 00:25:21.470 --> 00:25:25.289 as far as running experiments and doing the transponder 00:25:25.289 --> 00:25:27.930 and data mode pictures and such like that so 00:25:27.930 --> 00:25:31.849 the power budget was really a lot higher than 00:25:31.849 --> 00:25:34.619 would have been Proper to try to keep it at the 00:25:34.619 --> 00:25:37.059 20 % the 20 % though might have led to things 00:25:37.059 --> 00:25:41.079 such as a Scheduled operation kind of like a 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:45.359 027. I'm not that that brief I guess you'd say 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:49.359 but so that might have Been something that would 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:52.099 have been yeah, not not agreed to by some people 00:25:52.099 --> 00:25:55.819 as well But they went with what they had we had 00:25:55.819 --> 00:25:59.759 the experiments to go with them and that Excessive 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:01.700 use of the power if you will just wore them out 00:26:01.700 --> 00:26:05.819 faster essentially. AO -85 also had the added 00:26:05.819 --> 00:26:10.039 fun of being launched in an orbit that wound 00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:12.759 up with it being in full sun a lot of time. And 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.579 that brought the internal temperatures up to 00:26:15.579 --> 00:26:18.980 50, 60 degrees Celsius or so, even maybe a little 00:26:18.980 --> 00:26:23.839 bit more. And that was way more than was originally 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.240 determined to be what the case would be for the 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:29.539 thermal environment. when they were being built. 00:26:29.900 --> 00:26:32.299 So it was built to try to keep itself warm and 00:26:32.299 --> 00:26:35.500 it wound up being warmer and therefore kept itself 00:26:35.500 --> 00:26:38.440 even warmer, if you will, on that. When you charge 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.299 and discharge, especially charge the NICAD up 00:26:41.299 --> 00:26:44.240 around 60C, then you're damaging them as you 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:46.799 do it. So there's no way to turn that off in 00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.339 orbit, of course. When it's in the sun, it's 00:26:48.339 --> 00:26:51.660 going to charge. So there were several factors 00:26:51.660 --> 00:26:54.619 that just led up to the reason that they expired 00:26:54.619 --> 00:27:01.569 early. How you determine what's early? Well, 00:27:01.609 --> 00:27:06.410 they expire before the orbit decay, which would 00:27:06.410 --> 00:27:09.150 obviously be what we would ultimately shoot for. 00:27:09.569 --> 00:27:12.289 And the requirements did say designed for five 00:27:12.289 --> 00:27:15.650 years on orbit, and they didn't last five years. 00:27:17.170 --> 00:27:22.910 So in that view, then yes, they failed to meet 00:27:22.910 --> 00:27:25.730 the mission. But being the first CubeSat ever 00:27:25.730 --> 00:27:27.809 built and being the conditions that those ran 00:27:27.809 --> 00:27:30.809 through to get there, yes, they didn't meet the 00:27:30.809 --> 00:27:33.509 expectations, but they also, as I said, brought 00:27:33.509 --> 00:27:36.450 lots of opportunity to learn about that. And 00:27:36.450 --> 00:27:38.450 that's another major thing going into golf. Like 00:27:38.450 --> 00:27:40.289 I said, the Foxes couldn't change because it 00:27:40.289 --> 00:27:43.569 was too late. The design was set. They were already 00:27:43.569 --> 00:27:46.750 being submitted for CSLIs and such like that. 00:27:47.430 --> 00:27:50.950 So you have to go with what you have. and learn 00:27:50.950 --> 00:27:52.970 from that and take it to the future stuff. And 00:27:52.970 --> 00:27:55.309 of course we're going to go to lithium ion in 00:27:55.309 --> 00:27:58.170 the golf because that now has been proven to 00:27:58.170 --> 00:28:01.730 be something that is also worthy of being able 00:28:01.730 --> 00:28:06.289 to provide several years of use on orbit. Battery 00:28:06.289 --> 00:28:12.190 technology in the advent of the cell phone has 00:28:12.190 --> 00:28:18.960 changed exponentially. lithium ion, I teach about 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:23.339 this in chemistry, lithium is all the way up 00:28:23.339 --> 00:28:28.180 there on the end of the electromotive series 00:28:28.180 --> 00:28:32.700 and it's like... that's got some serious safety 00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:37.839 concerns and the engineering that went into making 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:42.859 these lithium -ion batteries safe to use except 00:28:42.859 --> 00:28:45.099 for a few laptops here and there that catch on 00:28:45.099 --> 00:28:51.400 fire you know it's it's worked pretty well the 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:56.500 changes have just been so rapid in that It's 00:28:56.500 --> 00:28:58.660 true, and that's something that I hadn't even 00:28:58.660 --> 00:29:01.299 thought of, but you look at the decade or so 00:29:01.299 --> 00:29:05.240 that it's been since Fox has started, and in 00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:08.279 terms of technology, that can be a lot of change. 00:29:08.859 --> 00:29:12.220 So the fact that things became outdated that 00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:16.569 quickly, we saw it with components. Secured the 00:29:16.569 --> 00:29:19.450 components for the Fox's that they became defunct 00:29:19.450 --> 00:29:20.869 and that's one of the reasons we didn't build 00:29:20.869 --> 00:29:22.589 the Fox ones anymore because we would have had 00:29:22.589 --> 00:29:25.250 to redesign a lot of the systems inside you couldn't 00:29:25.250 --> 00:29:27.730 get those components anymore as well as the battery 00:29:27.730 --> 00:29:31.150 so it's it's an interesting combination in that 00:29:31.150 --> 00:29:34.269 and one other thing to Add to that even with 00:29:34.269 --> 00:29:38.529 your lithium in the golf you still Have a narrow 00:29:38.529 --> 00:29:41.109 range of discharge depth of discharge that you 00:29:41.109 --> 00:29:44.819 want to keep within and in order to make sure 00:29:44.819 --> 00:29:46.500 that you get the longest life out of the battery 00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:48.700 so that's always something that you have to be 00:29:48.700 --> 00:29:51.680 careful with and that that makes a uh can make 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:53.940 a tricky dividing line for ham satellites because 00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:56.519 we like to get every bit of performance out of 00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.660 them that we can but it's uh walking a fine line 00:30:00.660 --> 00:30:04.819 if you're trying to push it too much yeah all 00:30:04.819 --> 00:30:07.740 right well we're going to take a break here uh 00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:09.859 we're going to come back we may talk a little 00:30:09.859 --> 00:30:13.329 uh golf tee here and uh Kind of look into the 00:30:13.329 --> 00:30:15.589 future a little bit and we'll take your phone 00:30:15.589 --> 00:30:18.630 calls and your tweets and everything right after 00:30:18.630 --> 00:30:22.950 this word from ICOM America right here on HamTalk 00:30:22.950 --> 00:30:26.490 Live. 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Now it's time for the 00:34:34.869 --> 00:34:38.130 HamTalk Live Ham Radio Joke of the Week, the 00:34:38.130 --> 00:34:40.889 part of the show where Rick tells us a ham radio 00:34:40.889 --> 00:34:43.789 joke. The HamTalk Live Ham Radio Joke of the 00:34:43.789 --> 00:34:47.530 Week is brought to you by QRM Labs. Now, here's 00:34:47.530 --> 00:34:51.829 Rick Garrett in 9GSU with today's HamTalk Live 00:34:51.829 --> 00:34:59.610 Joke of the Week. In honor of tonight's AMSAT 00:34:59.610 --> 00:35:02.429 edition of HamTalk Live, here's a little poem 00:35:02.429 --> 00:35:07.250 I wrote. Star light, star bright. First star 00:35:07.250 --> 00:35:11.570 I've seen tonight. I wish I may, I wish I might, 00:35:11.969 --> 00:35:15.989 make contact through that satellite. This has 00:35:15.989 --> 00:35:18.989 been the HamTalk Live, ham radio joke of the 00:35:18.989 --> 00:35:22.690 week with Rick Garrett in 9GSU. Tune in again 00:35:22.690 --> 00:35:28.099 next week for another joke from Rick. Well, there 00:35:28.099 --> 00:35:32.579 you go Jerry if you had any AMSAT poems before 00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:35.340 Yeah, I've had some that maybe I shouldn't repeat 00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:43.659 here though Yeah, it's Yeah, there's there's 00:35:43.659 --> 00:35:45.719 some discussion that goes on when something doesn't 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:49.860 work quite right the first time that's just Yeah, 00:35:49.940 --> 00:35:51.980 good thing that it's not recorded but you're 00:35:51.980 --> 00:35:55.739 not recorded it I like that pollen though, because 00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:58.639 it makes me think of two things. One, the kids 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:02.539 that get involved with it, and two, also the 00:36:02.539 --> 00:36:04.639 guys, and when I say guys, I mean guys, gals, 00:36:04.780 --> 00:36:09.239 everybody, who like to try to work, especially 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:12.179 A07, to work Europe or such like that, where 00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:15.159 it's just kind of a skim in the horizon or something. 00:36:15.460 --> 00:36:18.139 I wish I may, I wish I might, and then nobody's 00:36:18.139 --> 00:36:25.139 there that night. Well, thank you Rick for that 00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:31.380 and On last -minute notice here with the AMSAT 00:36:31.380 --> 00:36:34.800 theme so So thanks for that. All right. Well, 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.679 it's time for your calls now So if you want to 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.900 give us a call now's the time to do it. It's 00:36:40.900 --> 00:36:46.960 eight five nine nine eight two 73 73 I'll give 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.679 that number again here in just a second. You 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.820 can also tweet us. It's at ham talk live Over 00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:56.860 on Twitter and if you're listening to us on WTWW 00:36:56.860 --> 00:37:01.260 or on the podcast edition of the show You're 00:37:01.260 --> 00:37:02.920 not going to get anybody names for the phone 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.840 because we're not here. It's Thursday night right 00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:10.840 now. So Again, give us a call at eight five nine 00:37:14.779 --> 00:37:19.940 9827373. And we'll check the messages here and 00:37:19.940 --> 00:37:23.880 see what we have. And let's talk a little bit 00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:28.940 about about Golf T. So you've got, you know, 00:37:28.940 --> 00:37:32.360 the next generation of satellites coming in. 00:37:32.380 --> 00:37:35.599 And so let's talk a little bit about the future 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:41.880 launches. Okay, Golf T is The whole golf series 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:49.139 is a 3U satellite. So in terms of CubeSats, 1U, 00:37:49.179 --> 00:37:53.039 that's the first ones that we built with the 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:56.219 Fox 1, and those are the smallest, basically. 00:37:56.860 --> 00:38:02.139 1U being about 10 centimeters cubed. And the 00:38:02.139 --> 00:38:06.019 Golf T goes into 3, which is basically 3 1U stacked 00:38:06.019 --> 00:38:11.230 up. Knowledge that we got with the first one 00:38:11.230 --> 00:38:13.489 the Fox ones and the fact that there was more 00:38:13.489 --> 00:38:15.530 than one Even though we could not make changes 00:38:15.530 --> 00:38:19.849 to them as we went along we were able to make 00:38:19.849 --> 00:38:23.570 Considerations for for the next and and a lot 00:38:23.570 --> 00:38:25.789 of that can be incorporated into going to the 00:38:25.789 --> 00:38:29.550 3u because the 3u allows us more volume to be 00:38:29.550 --> 00:38:33.010 able to put more experiments more radios and 00:38:33.010 --> 00:38:35.750 such like that as well as some bigger solar panels 00:38:35.750 --> 00:38:39.929 and provide more power More room for batteries 00:38:39.929 --> 00:38:44.070 and such although it's really not a big Leap 00:38:44.070 --> 00:38:47.050 as far as how big as you might you might think 00:38:47.050 --> 00:38:51.309 it is it's you know, it's about the size of a 00:38:51.309 --> 00:38:55.130 shoebox maybe or something, you know, and So 00:38:55.130 --> 00:38:58.489 we take that and what we've gone with is the 00:38:58.489 --> 00:39:01.730 golf series is the intention to continue this 00:39:01.730 --> 00:39:05.349 learning and to be able to Build on what we know 00:39:05.349 --> 00:39:09.159 and to build newer technology with it that will 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:14.880 help us to learn and be able to master as well 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:18.380 as build in -house to the extent we can to save 00:39:18.380 --> 00:39:20.599 money because that's the way they always do that. 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:23.219 The type of technology is going to be needed 00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:26.380 to return to HEO and HEO of course is the highly 00:39:26.380 --> 00:39:31.159 elliptical orbit that AO10, AO13, AO40 if you're 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:34.699 familiar with them. where your apogee is up around 00:39:34.699 --> 00:39:38.199 40 ,000 kilometers or so perhaps and a perigee 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:42.000 of somewhere around 600 maybe kilometers. So 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.480 it's up high in the sky for several hours per 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:49.219 day and provides a hemisphere of communications 00:39:49.219 --> 00:39:52.179 that way. It's in a much harsher environment 00:39:52.179 --> 00:39:55.639 and things are just a lot more, they're hotter, 00:39:55.699 --> 00:39:58.019 they're colder, they're a lot more radiation 00:39:58.019 --> 00:40:01.900 and all sorts of things that there's nothing 00:40:01.900 --> 00:40:04.480 near what's in the in the low -earth orbit so 00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:06.960 the golf program and golf tee is the initial 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.019 kickoff to be able to develop things that will 00:40:10.019 --> 00:40:14.599 need like attitude control systems as well as 00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:18.880 the solar panels deployable in order to get more 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:23.119 more power into it and SDR radio radios that 00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:27.050 are interested in being flown. They're very power 00:40:27.050 --> 00:40:29.269 hungry, but they can provide a lot of modes that 00:40:29.269 --> 00:40:31.769 can be switched through programming and such. 00:40:32.530 --> 00:40:35.989 So those have a benefit. As well as taking us 00:40:35.989 --> 00:40:39.269 to microwave. Microwave, the benefit there is 00:40:39.269 --> 00:40:42.670 wider bandwidth as well as smaller antennas. 00:40:43.010 --> 00:40:45.090 And smaller antennas, as you can imagine with 00:40:45.090 --> 00:40:47.590 a CubeSat, are important because if you tried 00:40:47.590 --> 00:40:51.190 to put an aero antenna on a 3U CubeSat, you could... 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:54.300 put about three 3U CubeSats together and just 00:40:54.300 --> 00:40:57.659 barely make the length of the arrow. So the microwave 00:40:57.659 --> 00:40:59.840 antennas then can be pointed and have a lot more 00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:03.260 gain back to Earth. And so Golf T is the first 00:41:03.260 --> 00:41:06.119 of those to do that and to break the ground with 00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.420 the attitude, determination and control, the 00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:14.599 solar panels, SDR, higher speed telemetry and 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:18.460 such through the 10 gigahertz downlinked SDR. 00:41:19.980 --> 00:41:24.039 and Golf I then and successive Golfs intended 00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:27.039 to go to higher orbits to be able to learn to 00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:30.760 deal with radiation. One, oh yeah, one I forgot 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.860 was the RT -IHU radiation -tolerant IHU that 00:41:34.860 --> 00:41:37.719 will be flying on Golf T that was developed by 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:42.000 a group in our Ascent Skunk Works and that's 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.800 intended to be able to be a commercial off -the 00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:50.150 -shelf type of IHU that will deal with radiation 00:41:50.150 --> 00:41:54.389 upsets better than what we have on the Fox 1 00:41:54.389 --> 00:41:57.349 series satellites. With the Fox 1, if we had 00:41:57.349 --> 00:41:59.590 an upset, we essentially just rebooted and started 00:41:59.590 --> 00:42:01.969 over. It was fairly simple programming. There 00:42:01.969 --> 00:42:04.849 was not a lot of critical programming going on 00:42:04.849 --> 00:42:07.570 there, and hence the ability to also, if the 00:42:07.570 --> 00:42:09.869 IHU is not functioning, to still have a radio. 00:42:10.210 --> 00:42:13.909 But the RTIHU can offer, up to some higher altitudes, 00:42:14.909 --> 00:42:16.949 the ability to withstand the radiation better, 00:42:17.030 --> 00:42:20.420 we hope, and we want to test that. We have hit 00:42:20.420 --> 00:42:24.300 a problem with going higher, though, because 00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:28.840 as orbital debris concerns and regulations have 00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:33.860 grown quite quickly, really, over the last three 00:42:33.860 --> 00:42:38.940 or four years, it is right now, in order to go 00:42:38.940 --> 00:42:42.019 higher than an orbit where we would free fall 00:42:42.019 --> 00:42:45.780 back and re -enter, basically within 25 years, 00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:49.820 we have to have approved devices for propulsion 00:42:49.820 --> 00:42:54.380 for attitude control for reentry and such in 00:42:54.380 --> 00:42:56.420 order to get a license in order to get launched 00:42:56.420 --> 00:43:01.139 and that just puts a big you know puts a big 00:43:01.139 --> 00:43:05.780 stop a doorstop in the ability to build our own 00:43:05.780 --> 00:43:12.940 for that so we we're looking at the possibilities 00:43:12.940 --> 00:43:17.610 of finding commercial alternatives for that. 00:43:17.969 --> 00:43:21.150 We're also working with and following some of 00:43:21.150 --> 00:43:25.250 the enterprises that are creating things. Not 00:43:25.250 --> 00:43:28.349 much has been created for CubeSats so far, because 00:43:28.349 --> 00:43:31.829 most CubeSats are happy with being in a low Earth 00:43:31.829 --> 00:43:35.110 orbit. Nobody is, other than perhaps government 00:43:35.110 --> 00:43:39.710 and such, are things that are otherwise funded. 00:43:40.210 --> 00:43:42.150 Nobody else is interested in going that much 00:43:42.150 --> 00:43:44.369 higher So we're we're stuck trying to look for 00:43:44.369 --> 00:43:47.849 a cheap way to get higher or to be able to Raise 00:43:47.849 --> 00:43:50.309 the money to get what is necessary to go higher 00:43:50.309 --> 00:43:54.230 So until we overcome that golf one will probably 00:43:54.230 --> 00:43:56.889 wind up in Leo as well Originally we were looking 00:43:56.889 --> 00:44:00.070 at going up to 1200 kilometers or so to be able 00:44:00.070 --> 00:44:06.070 to be up there with a07 and fo29 as Just you 00:44:06.070 --> 00:44:09.590 know to complement what is up there and perhaps 00:44:10.030 --> 00:44:13.670 Last a lot longer up to the 25 years at least 00:44:13.670 --> 00:44:16.769 that the orbit is allowed at this point in time 00:44:16.769 --> 00:44:19.570 There's a lot of work so much stuff up there 00:44:19.570 --> 00:44:23.409 in the skies these days that it's you know, it 00:44:23.409 --> 00:44:26.369 becomes an issue when you've got stuff, you know 00:44:26.369 --> 00:44:30.650 flying through there and You know, you've got 00:44:30.650 --> 00:44:34.670 starships coming through and everything else 00:44:34.670 --> 00:44:40.119 and it's a lot to keep track of and there's not 00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:44.760 a real good way to clean it up. It's true. It 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.900 is something that was, well, I think it kind 00:44:47.900 --> 00:44:53.179 of goes along with the sudden availability of 00:44:53.179 --> 00:44:56.019 cheap ways to get to orbit, if you will. You 00:44:56.019 --> 00:45:01.480 know, we started out as being ballast on, on 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:03.539 test rockets and such like that to find cheap 00:45:03.539 --> 00:45:05.480 launches. And we got some great satellites up 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:11.849 there that way. And as that became more commercial. 00:45:12.489 --> 00:45:16.769 Whereas now, the launch companies, they can basically 00:45:16.769 --> 00:45:19.570 say, and this is just kind of an MSRP, but they 00:45:19.570 --> 00:45:21.630 can basically say, well, you know, if you want 00:45:21.630 --> 00:45:26.849 to fly to a low Earth orbit, fly a kilogram up 00:45:26.849 --> 00:45:30.590 there, then that'll be 100 ,000 bucks. So when 00:45:30.590 --> 00:45:32.690 there's money to be made by it, it's a little 00:45:32.690 --> 00:45:35.210 bit different. That means they also provide more 00:45:35.210 --> 00:45:39.670 launch opportunities and more opportunities for 00:45:39.670 --> 00:45:42.309 small satellites, if you will, to be able to 00:45:42.309 --> 00:45:45.030 get to orbit. It created a lot more stuff in 00:45:45.030 --> 00:45:49.650 orbit that wasn't perhaps considered that it 00:45:49.650 --> 00:45:51.409 would last there a lot longer than the actual 00:45:51.409 --> 00:45:55.909 mission for the satellite. And now they're trying 00:45:55.909 --> 00:46:00.289 to dial that back down with lower orbits to start 00:46:00.289 --> 00:46:02.889 with, which suits a lot of it because they're 00:46:02.889 --> 00:46:05.829 wanting to do a mission of some months or maybe 00:46:05.829 --> 00:46:10.460 a year. so if they reenter in year and a half 00:46:10.460 --> 00:46:14.139 two years that that's Fine with them and it's 00:46:14.139 --> 00:46:16.739 good for getting rid of the orbital debris if 00:46:16.739 --> 00:46:19.300 you will but But we of course are bucking the 00:46:19.300 --> 00:46:20.860 trend on that. We want to go the other way in 00:46:20.860 --> 00:46:25.480 that and that's That raises a few eyebrows in 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:27.099 the first place like why the heck would you want 00:46:27.099 --> 00:46:34.489 to do that? Anyway, right, right? This is totally 00:46:34.489 --> 00:46:37.809 off script and totally, uh, totally out there, 00:46:37.829 --> 00:46:44.230 but, uh, is, is there any chance of getting some 00:46:44.230 --> 00:46:47.090 kind of an arrangement like QO 100 where you're 00:46:47.090 --> 00:46:52.929 on a big, you know, telecom satellite kind of 00:46:52.929 --> 00:46:57.030 ride along. Well, that you can't say there's 00:46:57.030 --> 00:46:59.630 no chance. And that's something that has been 00:46:59.630 --> 00:47:02.739 pursued for years. uh... by my predecessors if 00:47:02.739 --> 00:47:05.739 you will and even even recently after i had become 00:47:05.739 --> 00:47:09.739 dvd with the virginia tech who had a lead to 00:47:09.739 --> 00:47:13.139 an opportunity for that so it was not a bit a 00:47:13.139 --> 00:47:15.559 commercial telecom that was actually something 00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:17.980 that was a government satellite but nonetheless 00:47:17.980 --> 00:47:23.880 it was an opportunity the commercial ones i see 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:29.230 as being uh... somewhat difficult because In 00:47:29.230 --> 00:47:32.230 the case of Qo -100, there were hams that were 00:47:32.230 --> 00:47:34.769 in high places that were able to help facilitate 00:47:34.769 --> 00:47:41.489 that. In our part of the world, for one thing, 00:47:41.510 --> 00:47:43.010 they've got a lot of money invested in their 00:47:43.010 --> 00:47:47.269 satellite. Even back with Fox 1A, when it was 00:47:47.269 --> 00:47:49.909 first launched, with that mission, I remember 00:47:49.909 --> 00:47:54.590 how painful it was or painstaking it was to be 00:47:54.590 --> 00:47:59.460 able to convince the... primary payload, which 00:47:59.460 --> 00:48:02.500 was an NRO satellite, that we were not going 00:48:02.500 --> 00:48:05.539 to do harm. Everybody had to be so in line with 00:48:05.539 --> 00:48:08.679 that that otherwise, you know, that could be 00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:11.059 a pretty bad thing for the whole CubeSat program. 00:48:11.300 --> 00:48:15.320 So there's a lot of concern about what us amateurs 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:19.179 or a university or such builds and puts on a 00:48:19.179 --> 00:48:22.380 rocket not being anywhere near, of course, as 00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:25.039 safe and capable as that multi -million dollar 00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:28.900 satellite. And if If something doesn't go right, 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.579 well, they're going to be a little upset if they 00:48:31.579 --> 00:48:36.179 lose that satellite. They certainly have opportunities 00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:38.360 to be able to provide power and such, and that's 00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:40.880 the great thing about it. There's at least two 00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:43.039 things. One is you got a lot of power. Second 00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:44.699 is you don't have to do station keeping because 00:48:44.699 --> 00:48:47.820 you're riding with them. So those are great opportunities. 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:51.780 It's just not quite as easy as it may seem from 00:48:51.780 --> 00:48:56.860 what QO100 did. But we're still talking and looking, 00:48:56.860 --> 00:49:04.579 you know. Sure, sure. I'd love to work QO100 00:49:04.579 --> 00:49:07.780 at some point because I keep hearing these people 00:49:07.780 --> 00:49:11.519 in the Youngsters on the Air programs, oh yeah, 00:49:11.619 --> 00:49:14.440 I'll just meet you on QO100 like it's their local 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.380 repeater. Whenever they want, they just get on 00:49:17.380 --> 00:49:20.369 there and it's like... That is just so foreign 00:49:20.369 --> 00:49:24.829 to me that I think it'd be a cool experience. 00:49:25.150 --> 00:49:29.610 But yeah, they had a special set of circumstances 00:49:29.610 --> 00:49:34.789 and it worked. It's an interesting outcome as 00:49:34.789 --> 00:49:38.070 well because in looking at, as I mentioned, microwave 00:49:38.070 --> 00:49:44.909 bands and such and HEAL, they have and are using 00:49:44.909 --> 00:49:50.639 2 .5 GHz and 10 GHz equipment. and making progress 00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:56.539 with kits and there is ways to do that that will 00:49:56.539 --> 00:49:59.260 complement what we do when we put something up 00:49:59.260 --> 00:50:02.480 that is using those bands because they're ready 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:05.400 for it and that just helps also to attract other 00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:08.519 people and make the equipment available cheaper 00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:12.139 generally as well as learning even more as you 00:50:12.139 --> 00:50:16.440 go along. So it all fits together nicely and 00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:22.119 I don't think that Qo100 is going to impact having 00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.280 a HEO satellite because one thing that the HEO 00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:27.980 did nicely was because the orbit was not fixed, 00:50:28.500 --> 00:50:31.360 it would, you know, every few days it would be 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.039 at apogee over a different part of the Earth. 00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:36.659 So over a week or two, you know, every country 00:50:36.659 --> 00:50:39.599 got the opportunity to have hemisphere -wide 00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:43.940 communications for essentially, you know, to... 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:47.280 two -thirds of the hemisphere, well that's not 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:48.800 right, but two -thirds of the way around the 00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:50.980 globe, depending on whether it was low to your 00:50:50.980 --> 00:50:53.659 east or low to your west. So that's a lot of 00:50:53.659 --> 00:50:55.239 interesting coverage from a single satellite. 00:50:56.699 --> 00:51:01.079 Yeah, sure is. Well Jerry, we're already over 00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:04.039 time, so I'm not going to keep you any longer. 00:51:04.570 --> 00:51:09.050 And we're actually going to end the show. We're 00:51:09.050 --> 00:51:12.250 going to let the April Fool compilation run here 00:51:12.250 --> 00:51:15.750 from previous years. So for those of you who 00:51:15.750 --> 00:51:19.289 are listening, there's still more coming your 00:51:19.289 --> 00:51:24.429 way if you want to listen. But we're going to 00:51:24.429 --> 00:51:29.449 wrap up the discussion here tonight. And I want 00:51:29.449 --> 00:51:31.969 to thank you so much for coming on and explaining. 00:51:32.590 --> 00:51:36.329 Uh, what's happening with these satellites and 00:51:36.329 --> 00:51:39.550 you know, so many of them just, just kind of 00:51:39.550 --> 00:51:43.090 disappeared and went away all at once. It's from 00:51:43.090 --> 00:51:47.429 a, from an operator standpoint. Uh, but you know, 00:51:47.429 --> 00:51:51.309 thank you for helping us understand, um, you 00:51:51.309 --> 00:51:54.550 know, what is still going on and a lot of the 00:51:54.550 --> 00:51:59.030 activity and learning and preparing for those 00:51:59.030 --> 00:52:02.699 future ones like golf and, uh, We appreciate 00:52:02.699 --> 00:52:05.860 everything you do. But you know, I had a lot 00:52:05.860 --> 00:52:08.659 of fun too. I appreciate it. And I would, the 00:52:08.659 --> 00:52:13.059 three years since I was here last, it goes fast. 00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:15.300 And that's something that's a different perspective 00:52:15.300 --> 00:52:18.320 from where I sit, where we sit. And that is that 00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:21.380 the three years to get to a launch is too fast 00:52:21.380 --> 00:52:24.940 a lot of times. And the three or four years or 00:52:24.940 --> 00:52:28.599 five years since the, you know, Fox 1A was launched 00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:31.389 is a long time. So. There's a lot of interesting 00:52:31.389 --> 00:52:33.570 perspectives there, but if you want to keep talking, 00:52:33.650 --> 00:52:36.010 that's fine. Cause if I leave here, I got to 00:52:36.010 --> 00:52:38.170 go back to work and I don't want to go to work. 00:52:41.230 --> 00:52:43.050 Yeah. I got to keep working on these things. 00:52:43.110 --> 00:52:44.570 You know, I can't spell. Well, I guess you could, 00:52:44.570 --> 00:52:47.050 you can hang around and listen to the April fools 00:52:47.050 --> 00:52:50.510 ad. So there you go. Thank you much. No, I'd 00:52:50.510 --> 00:52:52.650 like to come back and I appreciate it and everybody 00:52:52.650 --> 00:52:56.610 who listened and thank you. Yeah, oh, yeah, well 00:52:56.610 --> 00:52:58.949 we'll have you back and we were not gonna we're 00:52:58.949 --> 00:53:01.309 not gonna make that three years We're gonna do 00:53:01.309 --> 00:53:04.590 that sooner. So we appreciate you being here 00:53:04.590 --> 00:53:08.230 and talking about it's fascinating to hear about 00:53:08.230 --> 00:53:14.309 all those space technologies and Am sats Working 00:53:14.309 --> 00:53:18.210 away at it. So thank you so much and we'll talk 00:53:18.210 --> 00:53:22.869 to you soon Good evening. Thanks. All right. 00:53:22.909 --> 00:53:26.280 Well, that's a wrap for this week's HamTalk Live. 00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:29.840 Thanks to my guest, Jerry Buxton in Zero JY and 00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.360 everybody out there in cyberspace for listening 00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:34.719 tonight and invite you back next Thursday night, 00:53:34.739 --> 00:53:38.260 9 p .m. Eastern time. And for a list of our upcoming 00:53:38.260 --> 00:53:42.159 guests, visit hamtalklive .com. And if you like 00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:45.119 the show, please leave us a review on Apple podcasts 00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.320 or wherever you listen. That helps other people 00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:50.989 find us faster. And like I said, we're going 00:53:50.989 --> 00:53:54.949 to run all the old April Fool's Day ads just 00:53:54.949 --> 00:53:57.769 because that's what we've been doing on April 00:53:57.769 --> 00:54:01.969 Fool's Day for a few years now. So I'll let this 00:54:01.969 --> 00:54:06.929 run. And so I will say good evening to you now. 00:54:07.389 --> 00:54:10.570 And if you want to hang around and listen to 00:54:10.570 --> 00:54:13.889 the and you're more than welcome to. So for now, 00:54:14.090 --> 00:54:19.210 this is Neil Rapp, WB9VPG, saying 73, 75, and 00:54:19.210 --> 00:54:23.730 may the good DX be yours. Hi folks, Billy Hayes 00:54:23.730 --> 00:54:26.449 back again here to help all of you hams out who 00:54:26.449 --> 00:54:28.849 just can't get rid of that annoying guy who keeps 00:54:28.849 --> 00:54:31.289 making trouble. You know who I'm talking about, 00:54:31.510 --> 00:54:34.429 right? That guy named Murphy. He keeps showing 00:54:34.429 --> 00:54:37.449 up in all of your antennas, towers, rotors, and 00:54:37.449 --> 00:54:40.210 even your computer. He just keeps messing things 00:54:40.210 --> 00:54:42.849 up so they don't work like they should. Well, 00:54:42.969 --> 00:54:45.510 now thanks to the folks at As Seen on Radio, 00:54:45.750 --> 00:54:48.030 there's a solution for that. Kick Murphy out 00:54:48.030 --> 00:54:51.230 of your shack for good. It's the Murphy Repeller. 00:54:51.530 --> 00:54:55.139 Just plug it in and your worries are gone. Murphy 00:54:55.139 --> 00:54:58.260 repeller sends out a sub audible tone every five 00:54:58.260 --> 00:55:01.440 seconds that you can't hear, but Mr. Murphy can. 00:55:01.699 --> 00:55:04.500 He can't stand to hear it. So whenever he hears 00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:07.300 the tone, he runs away to that annoying neighbor's 00:55:07.300 --> 00:55:09.619 house across the street that raised all the fuss 00:55:09.619 --> 00:55:12.659 about your antenna at the last homeowners association 00:55:12.659 --> 00:55:15.739 meeting. It's the Murphy Repeller. Get yours 00:55:15.739 --> 00:55:18.980 today. It's available from most ham radio stores 00:55:18.980 --> 00:55:24.579 and a ham fest near you. Or call 985 -655 -2500. 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:30.739 That's 985 -655 -2500. Order your Murphy Repeller 00:55:30.739 --> 00:55:34.639 today. Hello, Willie Mays here for Spray -A -Way, 00:55:34.739 --> 00:55:38.519 the SWR reducer in a can. Are you annoyed by 00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:41.980 that pesky SWR that keeps getting in your antennas? 00:55:42.380 --> 00:55:45.219 Well, you can get rid of that in one easy step. 00:55:45.579 --> 00:55:47.900 Just spray some Spray -A -Way on your antenna 00:55:47.900 --> 00:55:52.059 and the SWR disappears like magic. Use it on 00:55:52.059 --> 00:55:55.260 all your antennas. Dipoles, Verticals and even 00:55:55.260 --> 00:55:58.539 Yoggies are no match for Spray -A -Way. Want 00:55:58.539 --> 00:56:02.440 that tough SWR to go away? Spray it away. But 00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:05.519 wait, there's more. Order in the next 30 seconds 00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:07.980 and you can get two cans of Spray Away for the 00:56:07.980 --> 00:56:11.219 price of one. And we're not stopping there. Order 00:56:11.219 --> 00:56:14.280 now and we'll throw in a can of Zap Free. Protect 00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:16.980 your antenna from lightning. Coat it in Zap Free 00:56:16.980 --> 00:56:20.019 and your worries are gone. Spray it and forget 00:56:20.019 --> 00:56:22.500 it. Lightning strikes will never bother your 00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:25.909 rig again. Here's how to order. To order Spray 00:56:25.909 --> 00:56:30.829 Away for just $19 .99, call 985 -655 -2500. That's 00:56:30.829 --> 00:56:45.170 985 -655 -2500. Call now, 985 -655 -2500. Hello! 00:56:45.670 --> 00:56:48.769 Willie Mays back again to help you make your 00:56:48.769 --> 00:56:52.289 ham shack better. One time or another, it's probably 00:56:52.289 --> 00:56:55.219 happened to you. You let the magic smoke out 00:56:55.219 --> 00:56:58.960 of something in your shaft. Maybe it was a power 00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:02.000 supply, a radio, or a project you were building. 00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:05.099 You plug it in, and the magic smoke that makes 00:57:05.099 --> 00:57:08.380 it all work somehow escapes. Well, we have the 00:57:08.380 --> 00:57:12.059 solution just for you. It's the Magic Smoke Replacement 00:57:12.059 --> 00:57:15.280 System. Fix that favorite rig, accessory, or 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:19.059 project by putting the magic smoke back in. The 00:57:19.059 --> 00:57:22.260 Magic Smoke Replacement System comes with 7 .5 00:57:22.260 --> 00:57:25.820 ounces of magic smoke, a syringe with a tiny 00:57:25.820 --> 00:57:28.639 needle, and a table to measure how much magic 00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:32.139 smoke you need for each part. Just fill the syringe 00:57:32.139 --> 00:57:35.699 to the right amount, inject it back in, and PRESTO! 00:57:36.699 --> 00:57:41.070 It all works again. But wait, there's more! Order 00:57:41.070 --> 00:57:43.849 in the next 30 seconds and you can get two bottles 00:57:43.849 --> 00:57:47.070 of Magic Smoke for the price of one. To order 00:57:47.070 --> 00:57:50.130 the Magic Smoke Replacement System for just $39 00:57:50.130 --> 00:57:56.510 .73, call 985 -655 -2500. That's 985 -655 -2500. 00:57:56.710 --> 00:58:08.840 Call now, 985 -655 -2500. Hello, Willie Mays 00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:12.360 from QRM Labs, back again to help you make your 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.800 ham radio experience better. Are you tired of 00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:18.159 all the work of having to find sounds to use 00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:21.900 to create QRM? You hear that annoying guy on 00:58:21.900 --> 00:58:25.280 80 meters and you feel this uncontrollable urge 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:28.320 to illegally jam his signal. But you don't have 00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:32.179 the right sounds to use? Well, QRM Labs has the 00:58:32.179 --> 00:58:36.199 perfect app for you. It's the Jammer Generator. 00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.820 Jammer Generator is an app for both iPhone and 00:58:39.820 --> 00:58:43.300 Android that has all you need to illegally transmit 00:58:43.300 --> 00:58:47.280 over the top of anyone. Just hold the phone up 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:50.300 to the mic and tap the sound you want. There's 00:58:50.300 --> 00:59:03.460 the famous number station generator. Some music, 00:59:03.579 --> 00:59:10.630 like one of Michael Jackson's songs. The Russian 00:59:10.630 --> 00:59:19.130 woodpecker. Just acting stupid. Hey, you're friggin' 00:59:19.550 --> 00:59:22.849 fine, Brian. Hey, you're fine, you psychopath. 00:59:24.050 --> 00:59:28.070 I'm just fine, doing what I love to do. I ain't 00:59:28.070 --> 00:59:32.090 paying no fine. I take a poo on you. Tuning the 00:59:32.090 --> 00:59:44.039 rig with your mic. or the classic tune -up tone. 00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:50.119 It's so good you'll get your license taken away 00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:54.039 and find both sooner and more often. But wait, 00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:57.840 there's more! Order now and we'll add a quick 00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:00.699 tune button that will tune any radio within one 01:00:00.699 --> 01:00:05.050 square mile immediately to 7200 kilohertz. The 01:00:05.050 --> 01:00:08.170 Jammer Generator, available for just $49 .99 01:00:08.170 --> 01:00:11.309 from the App Store. And for technical support, 01:00:11.630 --> 01:00:18.429 call 985 -655 -2500. That's 985 -655 -2500. And 01:00:18.429 --> 01:00:22.429 don't forget to speak as loudly as you can. QRM 01:00:22.429 --> 01:00:24.750 Labs looks forward to hearing your complaints, 01:00:25.050 --> 01:00:27.630 but we probably won't hear a thing because there's 01:00:27.630 --> 01:00:31.590 too much noise on the line. The Jammer Generator. 01:00:31.789 --> 01:00:47.349 Download your copy today. Hello, Willie Mays 01:00:47.349 --> 01:00:50.329 back again to help make your ham radio experience 01:00:50.329 --> 01:00:53.690 better. Maybe you have problems with your neighborhood 01:00:53.690 --> 01:00:57.090 homeowners association or the wife just doesn't 01:00:57.090 --> 01:01:00.349 think a huge 40 meter beam looks great in the 01:01:00.349 --> 01:01:04.070 backyard. Well, HamTalk Systems has just what 01:01:04.070 --> 01:01:08.030 you need. It's the Invisitena. Invisitena is 01:01:08.030 --> 01:01:11.409 a three element yogi that is completely invisible. 01:01:11.630 --> 01:01:14.409 Just inflate the antenna, mount it, and you'll 01:01:14.409 --> 01:01:17.449 never see it again. Invisi -Tenna is available 01:01:17.449 --> 01:01:21.409 for 40 meters or a tri -bander for 20, 15, and 01:01:21.409 --> 01:01:24.949 10. No one will ever know it's there. But wait, 01:01:25.130 --> 01:01:28.230 there's more. For a limited time only, order 01:01:28.230 --> 01:01:32.909 now and you can get a free Invisi -Tower. Mount 01:01:32.909 --> 01:01:35.809 your Invisi -Tenna to your Invisi -Tower and 01:01:35.809 --> 01:01:39.230 no one will know you have antennas at all. Not 01:01:39.230 --> 01:01:42.280 even you. To order the Invisi -Tenna with your 01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:47.179 free Invisi -Tower for just 38 .23 and 73 cents, 01:01:47.659 --> 01:01:53.179 call 985 -655 -2500. That's 985 -655 -2500. Call 01:01:53.179 --> 01:01:57.139 now, 985 -655 -2500 and appreciate the true meaning 01:01:57.139 --> 01:02:11.730 of having a stealth antenna. Mays Hayes here 01:02:11.730 --> 01:02:15.829 back again from QRM Labs for Formula 5 and 9, 01:02:16.269 --> 01:02:18.750 the rocket that creates your own band opening. 01:02:19.309 --> 01:02:22.070 Are you tired of those lousy conditions because 01:02:22.070 --> 01:02:26.210 of the solar cycle? Well, be sad no more. Make 01:02:26.210 --> 01:02:30.369 your own band opening with Formula 5 and 9. Formula 01:02:30.369 --> 01:02:33.409 5 and 9 is a model rocket that you can launch 01:02:33.409 --> 01:02:37.460 from your backyard. Once it gets to the ionosphere, 01:02:37.940 --> 01:02:40.860 it opens up the payload doors and releases a 01:02:40.860 --> 01:02:44.860 special, patented formula that ionizes the atmosphere. 01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:51.780 It works for D, E, and even F layers. Simply 01:02:51.780 --> 01:02:54.420 add the right amount of fuel for the layer of 01:02:54.420 --> 01:02:57.880 the atmosphere you want to reach. Pour the formula 01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:02.460 in the rocket, fuel it up, and launch it! Launch 01:03:02.460 --> 01:03:05.199 it! Launch it! Keep an eye on the band to be 01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:11.719 ionized and within 15 minutes, presto! An instant 01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:15.260 band opening. You can even get to Bouvet Island. 01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:20.920 But wait, there's more. Order in the next 30 01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:23.579 seconds and you can get a free bottle of our 01:03:23.579 --> 01:03:27.039 first product, the Magic Smoke Replacement System 01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:31.420 and a can of Spray -A -Way, the SWR reducer in 01:03:31.420 --> 01:03:35.300 a can. Here's how to order. To order Formula 01:03:35.300 --> 01:03:40.699 5 and 9 from QRM Labs for just $49 .73, call 01:03:40.699 --> 01:03:50.110 760 -706 -7425. That's 760 -706 -7425. Call now, 01:03:50.449 --> 01:03:55.670 760 -706 -7425. Be sure to register your launch 01:03:55.670 --> 01:03:57.630 with the FAA. Offer void where prohibited. If 01:03:57.630 --> 01:03:58.869 the manned opening lasts longer than four hours, 01:03:59.050 --> 01:04:01.070 consult your physician. QRM Labs is not responsible 01:04:01.070 --> 01:04:02.769 for accidents that may occur not for use near 01:04:02.769 --> 01:04:17.530 North Korea. Hello, Willie Mays from QRM Labs, 01:04:17.849 --> 01:04:20.869 back again to make your life with Ham Radio better. 01:04:21.730 --> 01:04:24.769 Are you tired of putting together all those kits? 01:04:25.550 --> 01:04:28.369 Minutes of sorting out parts, dropping them on 01:04:28.369 --> 01:04:31.690 the floor, picking them up again, just to drop 01:04:31.690 --> 01:04:35.530 them on the floor again, and then all that soldering. 01:04:36.730 --> 01:04:41.670 Well, we have the kits for you at QRM Labs. Our 01:04:41.670 --> 01:04:45.530 new line of kits only come pre -assembled. No 01:04:45.530 --> 01:04:48.829 more putting them together. Build a tuner kit, 01:04:49.230 --> 01:04:53.289 a power supply kit, or even an HF radio kit that's 01:04:53.289 --> 01:04:56.730 pre -assembled. We put it together for you and 01:04:56.730 --> 01:04:59.650 you save all the trouble of building it yourself. 01:05:00.289 --> 01:05:03.349 Don't believe it? Just listen to what one famed 01:05:03.349 --> 01:05:07.380 expert kit builder has to say. Hi, I'm Joe Eisenberg, 01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:13.019 kit building editor from CQ Magazine and frequent 01:05:13.019 --> 01:05:16.219 Hamfest speaker and kit building leader. These 01:05:16.219 --> 01:05:20.340 pre -assembled kits from QRM Labs have made kit 01:05:20.340 --> 01:05:23.619 building so easy. You can build a kit without 01:05:23.619 --> 01:05:26.860 all of the hassle of stuffing the board, soldering, 01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:31.019 and figuring out all those little tiny part numbers. 01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.619 When I do group kit builds, these pre -assembled 01:05:34.619 --> 01:05:38.559 QRM QRM Labs kits work so much better. It takes 01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:41.760 so much less time for everyone to build and keeps 01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:45.219 me from dealing with that guy. You know, the 01:05:45.219 --> 01:05:48.519 guy that brings a roll of thick acid core solder 01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:52.619 and a weller soldering gun. QRM Labs makes kit 01:05:52.619 --> 01:05:56.519 building a great experience. Just plug and pray. 01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:01.159 But wait! There's more! Order in the next 30 01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:05.000 seconds and you can get two pre -assembled kits 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:08.539 for the price of one. To order your pre -assembled 01:06:08.539 --> 01:06:18.340 kit, call 760 -706 -7425. That's 760 -706 -7425. 01:06:18.780 --> 01:06:33.610 Call now! 760 -706 -7425. Well you came right 01:06:33.610 --> 01:06:37.769 back to my security call Your readability five 01:06:37.769 --> 01:06:42.210 and strength nine You never once mentioned your 01:06:42.210 --> 01:06:48.190 weather at all And I didn't mention mine We talked 01:06:48.190 --> 01:06:52.530 and talked for hours and hours I completely forgot 01:06:52.530 --> 01:06:57.429 you're a ham I don't know your power or the height 01:06:57.429 --> 01:07:02.280 of your tower Frankly I don't give a damn So 01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:07.360 73, to you and your family, I'll be seeing you 01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:12.480 further down the line. 73, to you and your family, 01:07:13.940 --> 01:07:15.920 I'll be seeing you further down the line.