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for HamTalk Live episode number 255, Yoda Contest,
recorded live on Thursday, April 15th, 2021.
I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG. Thanks for
tuning in to this episode of HamTalk Live. Tonight
we're joined by Philip Springer, DK6SP, Marcus
Robert. DL8GM and Tommy Varro HA8RT from Youngsters
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Springer, DK6SP, Marcus Grossa, DLHGM, and Tommy
Varro, HA8RT. Join us on the Orlando Amateur
Radio Club and Hamcation Zoom line. Philip, the
K6SB, is the IARU Region 1 Youth Working Group
Chair that operates youngsters on the air in
Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and Northern
Asia. Philip is also a director of the Worldwide
Radio Operators Foundation. Philip is from Bavaria,
Germany, and became licensed at age 10. He is
an accomplished contestor at 23 years old and
is studying logistics and digitalization at the
master's level. Marcus Grossa, the L8GM, is the
vice chair of the IARU Region 1 youth working
group, also from Germany, and has been licensed
since 2011. He's been active within youth work
in the local club since then. Furthermore, he
is a master's graduate in computer science and
he is one of the programmers for the Charlie
25 SDR project by Smart Radio Concepts, which
some people may know from Hamvention. He's more
interested in the technical side of the hobby
and generally leaves the station up for others
to use as soon as that's going and Marcus is
25 years old. And finally, Tommy Varro HA8RT
is a 22 year old from Hungary and is also an
accomplished contester and was partnered with
Philip in WRTC 2018. He's the award manager for
December Yoda month and has been licensed since
age 14. Tommy is currently studying information
technology engineering and he is the liaison
to the Hungarian amateur radio society that is
cooperating with Yoda to sponsor this new Yoda
contest and all three are members of the contest
committee. So guys, thanks so much for being
up early, early, early in the morning over in
Germany and Hungary to be with us tonight to
talk about this. Thanks for having us. Thanks.
Thanks, Neil. It really depends if it's early
or late. Yes, yeah, we're not sure if it's really
late or really early. Probably for you all, knowing
you all and knowing when we usually end up talking
on Telegram, it's probably late. Yeah, I think
I'll stay up late. Especially Philip. I get telegram
messages from Philip at like midnight eastern
time and it's like, wait a minute, isn't it like
4 in the morning? That's true somehow. That would
be 6 in the morning. I'm not sure if that makes
it better. Knowing Philip is a raid right now,
that's probably still written before he goes
to bed. Well, we want to talk about this new
contest and the idea of some youth organized
contest. It's been floating around for a long
time, but a week ago you made the big announcement
that Yoda is going to launch the contest. So
tell us a little bit about the reasons that Yoda
decided to do this contest. I'll take up the
question, Neil. So I can give you a little insight
on how things developed regarding this contest.
As we as the Team Yoda in Region 1 are already
a big initiative, we established already the
Youth Contest Program some years ago. to give
youngsters the possibility to experience the
contest world itself from one of Europe's big
gun stations, such as LX -7i from Luxembourg,
amongst others of course. This already created
some activity besides the annual December Yoda
month activity. We're also a Yoda region too,
so in North and South America very active nowadays.
We have also... the activity throughout our sub
-regional and summer camps, of course, where
camp stations are set up. There is some activity,
but within these difficult times at the moment,
most of these events had to be canceled following
the COVID guidelines. So we started to think
within the IIU Region 1 Youth Working Group to
think a bit ahead and search for a way to still
have some activity amongst the Yoda community
itself. That's when EmRush, the Hungarian Amateur
Radio Society contacted us as the youth working
group with some idea. So we thought, yeah, why
not having such an idea? And that, yeah, was
perfectly fitting and could create some activity
throughout the year when there are no other events
around. So we negotiated a bit with them how
to implement such a Yoda contest. That's how
the idea gathered. And Tommy. who is with us
tonight, also told me that he had already developed
a customizable contest log upload, which he would
offer for Team Yoda to use. And yeah, so this
is where the idea came up. And meanwhile, we
also had one of our regular meetings with the
Region 2 Yoda staff in the US and presented this
kind of idea of a new contest. and you have been
with us Neil and I think you really like the
idea and you also gave great input to us to make
this whole thing a great success and two long
months later approximately we put a lot of time
and energy into the preparation of the project
we have launched it to the public and now we
are really looking forward to the first event
to be held on Saturday the 22nd of May from 8
to 20 UTC yeah that's about it some some insights
on how it all developed well guys tell us how
this contest is going to work uh do the and and
before i before i get the comments because i
know i'll get the comments they're using the
term youngster And and one of the things that
we changed over here when we put together the
camp and some of the activities was we changed
the word to youth because the meanings are very
different Over here youngster is is usually like
a little kid and usually it's a really old person
using that term and so we used youth but but
over there they youth is kind of a Has a negative
connotation to it. So, so yeah, I know it's it's
it's youth over here. It's youngsters over there.
So, but so they are youngsters. Yes. And it still
spells the same. It still spells Yoda. So Do
youngsters, youth, earn more points? Are they
worth more points? Are the older hams welcome
to participate in the contest? How's this going
to work and who participates? Well, by far and
large, to some degree, let's say, if you're just
listening it on the radio, like stumble upon
the contest, it's going to sound like all Asia.
contest if anybody has participated there so
exchange is RSC and age but there are more points
for youngsters so that's the like limit is at
25 so at 25 you're still a youngster so I am
still a youngster for this year no longer for
next year Well, actually for next year as well,
because we count the age beginning of at first
of January, which I missed by a few days. So
I can do that next year as well. So more points
for youngsters and slightly more points for people
like even younger youngsters. And then otherwise
multipliers are the different ages you work per
band. So it's like older hams. are basically
going to be multiplier because obviously their
age is more spread out between 26 and, I don't
know, 85 or so. But the youngsters are obviously
compressed and effectively like 10 to 25. But
youngsters are worth a lot more points. So one
point for a non DX station on the same continent,
three points for a DX station. And then regardless
of same continent or the X youngsters over the
10 to 13 points depending on age. There are a
few categories. Mostly single operator, there's
three band mixed. So you can work wherever but
like that category, your three best bands are
only gonna be counted. So that's great for people
having like compromised antennas or similar,
because single band can often turn into a chore.
try for half an hour, but everybody's on the
different band. So that way you have three bands
mixed like compromise between having like a huge
elaborate antenna farm that works on all bands
versus the single band category that gets boring
quickly. That category has both an old age and
a youngster category. So those two are like scored
separately. There's of course all bands once
again split between open and youngsters. There's
some mixed category, all bands for six hours
only, but that's also only for youngsters. I
guess this has probably got to be more popular
with the younger operators, like people still
in school or so, not students that don't have
anything else to do either. Then there's multi
-operator. but we require youngsters at the station
as well. So two youngsters for one non -youngster
operator. And other than that, it's mostly standard
and multi -operation category as well. So yeah,
that's pretty much how it works. After that,
it's a standard contest. Everybody works, everybody.
So it's not like work goal Germany or... where
it's like only US and elsewhere. So everybody
works everybody. Doesn't matter if like same
country, different country, different continent.
That's all the same. The rest should be fairly
normal. The full rules can of course be found
at ham -youta .com slash contest. That also has
links to like log upload and rules and a bazillion
other languages once we get the translation sorted
out. So most of them are going to be still coming
soon, but some are there. So should for some
reason you eat the rules in German or Hungarian
or Swedish, those are there as well. The rest
is going to come soon, including Japanese, for
example, and a few others. So that's where you
find hopefully everything. Yes. All right. Well,
that sounds like a neat, neat idea to. count
you know the ages differently but keep everybody
involved and encourage you know youth participation
but but we're still keeping us oldsters who used
to be youngsters on the air involved as well
and keep keep the bands busy for everybody so
Tell us when the contest is. Now I know that
this is not like, you know, a lot of them is
once a year. There's a little difference. So,
uh, when is the contest and then how can people
participate? What should they do to, uh, to just
participate in the contest? So basically we have
three rounds, Neil. The first round, as I already
told you, is the 22nd of May, from 8 to 19 .59
UTC. We also have a second round planned for
Saturday, the 17th of July, from 10 to 21 .59
UTC. And the third round on Thursday, the 30th
of December, from 1200 to 23 .59 UTC. And as
you already see, we have varying times where
the contest takes place. That's because we want
to cover the whole world and give every youngster
the same possibility to participate within this
new Jota contest. So we are varying every round
for two hours. And how can you participate? Just
get your HF station set up. or visit your neighbor
or your Elma around the corner and get on the
bands and work everybody you can hear in CW as
well as SSP. As Marcus told us already, it's
a mixed contest. So Morse code as well as phone
will be available. And yeah, just get on the
air and have fun during the contest. And let's
talk a little bit too about this. You all are
putting this on, but it is a worldwide Yoda event.
So we have, you know, the youth on the air that
started over here. You know, we started planning
our camp and doing some of those activities with
Yoda month and that kind of thing over here.
And then down in region three in Oceania, there's
a lot of activity down there too. So talk a little
bit about them. Sure, so we also have our friends
in region 3 which is When they are just developed
developing a yeah a yoda program there as well.
So we already had guests from from for example,
Japan from New Zealand's during our region one
summer camps. So they get impressions how Yoda
is working over here in Europe, Africa, Middle
East, and Northern Asia. So yeah, they have been
really impressed and therefore there was already
a camp held in New Zealand recently, where about
25 people met, 25 youth, youngsters. Yeah, they
have been having a camp station as well. They
are also participating within the December Yoda
month where 31 days of activity take place around
the world and you can work the Yoda special event
stations. Yeah, so Region 3 is developing. We
are in great contact with the IAU youth working
group from Region 3. and try to help them as
good as possible so they will be successful in
the future and get everything solved. Yeah, so
that's the current state with Region 3 and as
we are with Region 2, we try to assist and get
input and stuff and we are helping out each other
all over. I would say we benefit from each other,
Region 1, 2 and 3. Yeah, well, we sure appreciate
you know you all taking the lead on on this one
and and the December Yoda month and then you
know, we were we're trying to invite you know
some of the region one people we've got one scheduled
to come over from Iceland if if the borders are
open we'll see how that goes, but But we're trying
to you know when we try to to donate and give
back for Yoda month and that kind of thing too.
So that's important that we give back some too,
but we're developing here as well and we made
the announcement today that plans for our summer
camp are still on. We are good to go unless things
take a terrible turn which we don't anticipate.
We don't know what kind of restrictions we're
going to have, but, uh, you know, we, we obviously
will have some, um, but, um, we're looking like,
um, you know, things are pretty good over here.
So, uh, we're hoping to, uh, have that happen
in, in July without any issues. So, uh, that
announcement came out today. So we'll share that
as well. So, We'll talk a little bit more about
the contest and we'll open up the phone lines
here at 859 -982 -7373. So we'll take some phone
calls, we'll take some tweets. Comments, if you're
on Spreaker, just type in the comments there
and that'll pop up on the screen as well. And
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was going to tell me jokes during the commercial
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this on Thursday night, so Tommy talk a little
bit about All the cool computer stuff here. Talk
about some of the uploading of the logs and the
processing of the data here for this contest.
Yeah, okay. So it's been basically three or four
years from now already when our team of IT guys
have been at by mass to develop something like
a contest evaluator software and they haven't
thought that it's gonna be like so worldwide
it was basically for the first time for small
regional contests or Hungarian contests like
national championships and similar but since
then we have also taken up the AJDX contest and
I had already some inquiries from other international
contests to include them and to evaluate the
contest for them. It's basically like a site,
like a normal log upload site which you can see
in many contests. It's differences is right now
it's containing many many Hungarian and international
contests already and it's developing and Yeah,
of course I can go on about the latest technology
stuff and everything, but I'm not sure if everybody's
interested in that Well the nice thing is though
that you can get in there and look up stuff that
that's that's always cool Yeah When the idea
came up to do a Yota contest, we have been thinking
that, okay, so we can basically make some small
changes, some improvements in place, and we can
do a Yota contest on this one. Which means that,
of course, we don't have to evaluate the logs
in an Excel or something like this. It's a more
professional way. with algorithms that are already
tried out in international contests with more
than 2000 logs each. So, yeah, it's working and
it's constantly developing, getting the new ideas
always from the, I would say from the mistakes
of the operators. We are trying to eliminate
those mistakes made by the operators by making
it more straightforward. easy to use and responsive.
That's the biggest issue always, to be more easy
to use and responsive. I think we are starting
to make a good job at it. I think you all have
done an excellent job with the the December Yoda
month and I'm sure that This will be Equally
as good And you know, I just kind of sit back
here and and think about this, you know, we've
got we've got Philip that's 23 we've got Marcus
that's 25 and we've got Tommy that's that's 22
and these guys are are Doing the work they're
putting together the contest. They're putting
together the rules. They're doing the IT work
to make all the logging and all the calculations
and checking the logs and making all of that
work and that's what what's unique about Yoda
is that the young people are the ones that are
doing things Mostly for themselves, of course
with some some help but it it's really a big
change and I think that's one of the things that
I kind of fight a little bit over here is you
know We got to make sure that that we keep the
youth doing The planning and doing the work and
and we're trying to get it the Infrastructure
set up So that can happen and and so I look forward
to when when we're a little more structured and
and that can happen more but we have a lot of
that happening already and I'm just You know
amazed even even you know, the graphic design
is and publicity and and all these things are
done are done by the youth I just wanted to say,
Neil, that, yeah, we have a big team. It's not
only us three. There's also AJ6PX, a Java from
Hungary within the contest committee. And there's
a big PR group behind our back and getting our
bags free with doing all the work, graphic designs,
getting text done. writing press releases and
stuff. This is really great support also within
the youth working group. So big kudos to them.
They are doing an excellent job with what they
are doing. And as you said, they are not older
than 22. They are all our age, all the same age
level, and all are under Even our IT with the
Yota homepage and stuff, they are all under 26
and this is fascinating. It's just great to have
them aboard the team. Yeah, even the translations
for the rules are made by youngsters into different
languages, I hope. Yeah, our community is just
insane They are contacting us. Can we translate?
Can we translate? We are really we really want
to do this Contribute to the other program. That's
that's amazing. Yeah, so thanks also to these
guys Well, it's it's been really neat to see
all of this develop and you know 40 let's see.
What is it now 45 46 years ago when I became
a ham at five years old it was you know, none
of this existed and So it's just so cool to see
all of this and then I think that's some of the
motivation for me to To do this is to provide
that that you know, I wasn't able to take advantage
of it at that point In my life and you know,
it's growing. I think our youth are growing There
as as one of your slogans is there is youth in
amateur radio But we're working to you know,
get them more involved and and take ownership
of things a lot more and It's it's starting to
move things Definitely. Yeah We have so many
active young people, not only over here in Europe.
As you said, Neil, we have so many young people
we don't even know yet about. So with the whole
Yoda initiative, we try to find those young people
around the world and get them involved into amateur
radio to not let this great common hobby die.
So we have a future. And yeah, this is probably
the most important. We as the youth are kind
of part of the future of amateur radio. So that's
why we try to get as many events started as possible
and also have the other contest now. So let's
see. And probably we'll find some more youth
and youngsters on the air during that. yeah,
during that new contest and yeah, hopefully we'll
get them involved into future projects and stuff
within the Yoda program. 8 5 9 9 8 2 73 73 is
the number if you'd like to chime in or shoot
us a tweet on at ham talk live or Type in the
comments on Spreaker here and just checking those
to see what we have Let's talk a little bit about
Yoda online because that's been One of the big
things for you all from the last year and we've
had a little crossover with that in the other
regions as well, but Talk a little bit about
the Yoda online program and there's another one
coming up here pretty soon Yes, so y 'all don't
mind came up in early 2020 as what Well, we've
mostly been doing around that time was writing
very sad blog posts and use updates about cancellations
of way too many events. So it's like, the thing
we had to do like our graphics team was mostly
busy with like taking the logos from all the
events that we have planned and then like putting
a red cross over them and then handing it over
to be published and it was like, I think it was
six events that were canceled or so. It was pretty
absurd and pretty sad to see. So we tried to
come up with something, some way to have Yota
stay alive in any way while all our in -person
events were getting canceled. And that led us
to Yota Online, which is, well, let's just say
some sort of like online format that's usually
about an hour. live stream on YouTube, Twitch
and Facebook. Run by youngsters with youngsters
as guests coming in presenting various topics.
And that has worked out reasonably well. We had
on some events, we have lots of views. And as
you said, there's another one coming up very
soon. Two weeks pretty much exactly well a few
hours less than two weeks because we're scheduling
after European time So that's gonna be our 12th
one then and it's also gonna be the last one
of the current format As we've as nice as it
was it was a lot of work and viewership has unfortunately
been going down All the time so we're trying
we're gonna be trying out and use stuff after
that so the current format is gonna be done after
one year then but we're gonna try out something
new see if we can make something more engaging
because right now it's like the team the youth
working group it's a few guests and then people
in youtube chats or twitch chat or similar which
is of course great to see all the people but
we'll see if we can maybe Try something where
you can get people even more involved make something
more interactive So that might be coming up Very
soon, even though they like current delta online
format is gonna end after this 12th session in
two weeks Okay, so to find out more about that
low go over to ham dash Yoda calm We also post
that on youth on the air org so you can check
it out there as well and And see what's going
on with the program. Well, we're just about out
of time here So, let me check again and make
sure we didn't miss any questions as we said
Last week we did such a great job that nobody
had any questions. So So I think we've got everything
covered here. But Philip, just recap for us the
contest, when it is, how people can participate,
and where they can find all the rules and information.
Sure, Neil. No problem. So again, the first round
will be coming up on the 22nd of May. So roughly
in about five weeks, the 22nd of May from 8 to
19 .59 UTC. We will have a second round on the
17th of July from 10 to 21 .59 UTC. And the third
round end of the year on the 30th of December,
Thursday 30th of December from 12 to 23 .59 UTC.
Who can participate? Every amateur radio operator
in the world. doesn't need to be a youngster
or a youth. Everybody can participate. You can
see all the contest rules exactly on ham -yoda
.com slash contest. Then it will take place on
80 meters, on 3 .5 megahertz, on 40 meters, seven
megahertz. on 20 meters, 40 megahertz, 15 meters,
21 megahertz, and 10 meters, 28 megahertz. Modes
used will be Morse code as well as phone, CW
and SSB. We have different categories also, especially
for youth. We have special categories for oldsters,
to say like this. We have a multi -operator,
single transmitter, all bands mixed category
with the limitation that one non -youngster has
to be fit by two youngster operators. We have
also an SWL short -wave listener category and
furthermore we have some, yeah, it's uncommon
but for us a really important category, we have
the station sponsors. where station owners invite
youngsters and then may apply to a separate category
with photos submitted to contest at ham -yoda
.com to our official email address. So also if
you have any questions regarding the rules, if
you read through them on ham -yoda .com slash
contest, if you don't understand what's written
there, just drop us an email at contest at ham
-yoda .com. The station sponsors needs to Yeah,
submit a photo of the youth operating from their
station and also the youth has to provide the
call sign in the operator list that they can
apply for this category. The exchange will be
a normal report, so RS or RST plus H on the 1st
of January each year. Multi -operators will have
the same. but it has always to be less than 25.
So 25 is the maximum age for a multi -operator.
How does the scoring work? So if you have a QSO
with your own continent, it's... a station aged
over 25, so it's a non -youngster, it's worth
one point. If you have a QSO with another continent,
so it's a DX station with a station aged over
25, it's also non -youngster, it's worth three
points, so same continent, one point, DX, three
points. If you work a youngster or a youth, regardless
of any continent, under the age of 12, it's 13
points. From 12 to 16 years, it's worth 12 points.
From 17 to 21 years, it's 11 points. And from
22 to 25 years, it's worth 10 points. So you
see, if you work the youngsters on the air or
the youth on the air, you will get a lot of points.
The multipliers are different exchanges. So the
ages. So everybody gives the age, 59, 599 plus
age. Work per band, regardless of the mode. And
the final result will be the sum of points earned
per band's end mode multiplied by the sum of
multipliers worked per band. You can easily send
us the log, Cabrillo format, V2 .0 or higher,
to contest .ham -jura .com. So you will find
that all in the rules again as well. And the
log submission deadline will be seven days after
the end of the contest. You will also get an
email confirmation once you've uploaded your
logbook. And as Tommy said before, this is really
straightforward. You just drop the Cabrillo Formats
log file. You will just enter the category with
a drop -down. You will see what you've operated
and then everything is okay. You will get the
confirmation email. Then the Yotakantas committee
will be doing the log check afterwards. We will
have special wooden plaques for winners of each
category. And yeah, that's about it. So if you
want to participate, just do it. We have on our
YouTube channel, at Ham Yota, we have already
prepared two supporting videos from... well -known
worldwide contester. So if you fancy, just have
a look there who will be on the air. We will
be having stations from Thailand, from Australia,
from New Zealand, from the US, Canada, all over
Europe, Africa even. We will be having, as I
said, stations worldwide. So hopefully also youngsters
will be getting the chance to work some new countries
during the contest. And this is probably the
thrill. for each of us participating and we are
really looking forward to get you down our logbook
and hopefully there will be some great pileups
to be run by Yoda people, Neil. Yep, that's definitely
a goal so we're looking forward to that and again
that's May 22nd for the first one. And the one
in July is going to be the day after our our
Yoda camp here in the Americas over here in Westchester,
Ohio. It'll be the following day and then then
the end of the year during December Yoda month.
So it's going to be a lot of fun and really looking
forward to it. Not only you. Well guys, thank
you so much for staying up so late and being
on we'll call it late instead of early and We
we appreciate all that you're doing to support
ham radio and youth and ham radio and Being on
the show tonight to share some of that with us
Thanks for having us Neil was a great pleasure
being with you on the show tonight and Yeah,
good luck with your camp in region two. We'll
be looking forward and happy to distribute any
news we get from you. And yeah, good luck. Thanks
for having us and see you soon. Yeah, thanks
for the opportunity, Neil. Good night. Yes, good
night and good morning. Good luck. Good luck
with the camp. Hope it works out the way you
plan to. Yeah, we've got a good plan. So if we
can follow it, we're in great shape. So Thank
you, Marcus. Thank you, Tommy. Thank you Philip
for being here and I'm sure we'll be we'll be
talking on telegram again soon. Probably no Like
I said knowing Philip it'll it'll be in a few
hours. So Most probably. Yeah Sam is the same
way though. I mean, I'm talking to Sam over here
and it's like midnight, 1230. You know, we are
all avid contest, contesters and the night shift
has never stopped us from texting. Yes. All right.
Yeah. I just wanted to say, or the pilot never
stopped you from testing. Yeah, that's, that's
probably something that that's a, that should
count. Is that SO2R? If you're, if you're, if
you're testing while you're contesting, yeah,
you can never have too much monitors. So Yes,
exactly. I've been trying to convince my wife
of that as we're moving into a new house this
weekend, or at least she is, and then I'm following
in a couple of months and I'm trying to convince
her that, you know, there's no such thing as
too many monitors, but I'm not sure that's really...
It might be about as hard to explain as the number
of antennas. The one you need is always four,
at least one more than you have. The same with
radios. I think they all share the same problem
of trying to achieve the appropriate wife approval
factor. Exactly. The problem with anything. See
these young people have it all figured out. They
know what's going on. I mean, I've been at Hamvention
presenting like a Hobart radio and I've had the
discussion with many hams about whether one needs
more radios or not. And it always, always falls
down to the same thing. Yep. It's always one
more. Absolutely. All right. Well, that's a wrap
for this week's edition of ham talk live. Thanks
to my guests, Philip Springer, DK six SP Marcus
grocer DL eight GM and Tommy Varo H a eight RT
and everybody out in cyberspace for listening
and invite you back next Thursday night, 9 p
.m. Eastern time. Michael Coulter, WHCI will
be here to talk about the Dayton Hamvention 2021
virtual and on -air activities, since we won't
have live in -person Hamvention this year once
again. So we'll be talking about what's happening
during Hamvention weekend. So make sure to tune
in for that. And for a list of all of our upcoming
guests, go to hamtalklive .com. And if you like
the show, please leave us a review. That'll help
others find the show faster. So for now, this
is Neil Rapp, WB9VPG, saying 7375. And may the
good DX be yours. Thanks for watching!