WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.620 This episode of HamTalk Live is brought to you 00:00:02.620 --> 00:00:06.019 by Tower Electronics. For connectors, cables, 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:12.960 and more, call 920 -435 -2973 or visit PL -259 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:17.640 .com. And by ICOM, heard it, worked it, logged 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:22.859 it. Visit www .icomamerica .com slash amateur 00:00:22.859 --> 00:00:30.370 for more information about ICOM radios. With 00:00:30.370 --> 00:00:36.909 Neorep, here we go Welcome to Hamtop Live Call 00:00:36.909 --> 00:00:59.570 in, let's talk, Neil's your guy Hamtop Live Good 00:00:59.570 --> 00:01:02.390 evening, everyone. It's time for HamTalk Live, 00:01:02.689 --> 00:01:08.250 episode number 262, Field Day Q &A 2021, recorded 00:01:08.250 --> 00:01:13.049 live on Thursday, June 24th, 2021. I'm your host, 00:01:13.150 --> 00:01:16.810 Neil Rapp, WB9VPG. Thanks for tuning in to this 00:01:16.810 --> 00:01:20.829 episode of HamTalk Live. Tonight, we're joined 00:01:20.829 --> 00:01:26.359 by Paul Bork, N1SFE. Talking field day rules 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:29.319 and field day in general. We'll take your calls 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.200 live in just a few minutes. We're going to open 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:35.019 up the phone lines a little early tonight because 00:01:35.019 --> 00:01:38.500 we want your calls. This is supposed to be a 00:01:38.500 --> 00:01:40.719 question and answer session. So we want your 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:43.700 calls. We want your tweets. So we'll give out 00:01:43.700 --> 00:01:45.620 the phone number here in a little bit and we're 00:01:45.620 --> 00:01:47.859 going to open up the phone lines a little early 00:01:47.859 --> 00:01:50.239 tonight and we've got some more stuff to talk 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:54.640 about if nobody calls. but we want to open it 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:58.540 up and get some phone calls. So that number is 00:01:58.540 --> 00:02:08.199 859 -982 -7373 and we'll give that out here again 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:11.939 in a minute or so. Last week here on the show, 00:02:12.099 --> 00:02:15.080 Joe Eisenberg, KZeroNEB, was here to talk about 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:18.879 some new kits and we talked about some choices 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:24.150 for surfaces on which to solder. And if you missed 00:02:24.150 --> 00:02:27.270 that show, you can listen anytime at HamTalkLive 00:02:27.270 --> 00:02:31.270 .com or on your favorite podcast app or on YouTube. 00:02:31.810 --> 00:02:34.569 And you can catch the rebroadcast of HamTalk 00:02:34.569 --> 00:02:40.250 Live on WTWW. That's 5085 AM, Saturday afternoons 00:02:40.250 --> 00:02:44.770 at about 330 PM Eastern Time. So get your questions 00:02:44.770 --> 00:02:47.050 ready to go for Paul if you're listening to us 00:02:47.050 --> 00:02:50.039 live on Thursday night. You can give us a call 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:53.219 in just a little bit. And again, here is the 00:02:53.219 --> 00:02:57.639 phone number so you can have it ready. It's 859 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:09.159 -982 -7373. Let me read it one more time. 859 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:17.590 -982 -7373. You can also tweet us, it's just 00:03:17.590 --> 00:03:20.969 at HamTalkLive on Twitter, and I'll be back with 00:03:20.969 --> 00:03:23.550 Paul right after this word from ICOM right here. 00:03:23.819 --> 00:03:27.240 on HamTalk Live. It's that time of year again. 00:03:27.419 --> 00:03:30.699 Field Day is from June 26th to 27th and iCom 00:03:30.699 --> 00:03:32.780 has the base station of your dreams with the 00:03:32.780 --> 00:03:38.759 IC7300 and IC9700 SDR transceivers and the portable 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:42.939 SDR transceiver, the IC705. 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Well, welcome back to ham talk 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:51.120 live tonight, Paul Bork in one SFE joins us on 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:53.779 the Orlando amateur radio club and hamcation 00:06:53.779 --> 00:06:58.579 hotline a RRL contest program manager manager 00:06:58.579 --> 00:07:02.060 Paul Bork in one SFE just Completed a second 00:07:02.060 --> 00:07:04.500 full year in that role and Paul's been licensed 00:07:04.500 --> 00:07:11.230 since 1994 and much like my story grew up listening 00:07:11.230 --> 00:07:15.149 to distant AM stations and later developed a 00:07:15.149 --> 00:07:17.970 career involving some aspects of broadcasting. 00:07:17.970 --> 00:07:20.850 And he started at a broadcast station at the 00:07:20.850 --> 00:07:23.750 university of Hartford, uh, where the station's 00:07:23.750 --> 00:07:27.250 general manager, John Ramsey, W1JNR pushed him 00:07:27.250 --> 00:07:31.500 to get his license. And, uh, so. The rest is 00:07:31.500 --> 00:07:34.180 history. He grew up in Newington and wanted the 00:07:34.180 --> 00:07:36.439 opportunity to give back to the hobby and now 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:39.839 he's He's working at Lee headquarters. So Paul, 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:42.459 welcome back to the show. I'm sorry. I can't 00:07:42.459 --> 00:07:47.660 buy you a Ted steamed cheeseburger Next time 00:07:47.660 --> 00:07:49.839 we come out we'll have to try some more local 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:53.600 cuisine out here Yeah, yeah, I need to come back 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:57.740 out and just enjoy you know, my time. When I'm 00:07:57.740 --> 00:08:00.379 there, I'm there for Teachers Institute. And 00:08:00.379 --> 00:08:05.240 so we have a full day. And it's very enjoyable, 00:08:05.339 --> 00:08:10.959 don't get me wrong, but it is a full day. So, 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:13.500 you know, I need some time to just get out there 00:08:13.500 --> 00:08:19.199 and just relax and enjoy the area. Well, it'd 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:22.259 be good to have you back. I know it's been a 00:08:22.259 --> 00:08:23.980 couple years since we've done Teachers Institute. 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:29.540 Yeah, it has and and this year is virtual so 00:08:29.540 --> 00:08:33.620 I'm interested to hear how that's going that's 00:08:33.620 --> 00:08:35.500 coming up here in about three weeks same time 00:08:35.500 --> 00:08:39.240 as Yoda camp actually so So I'm not going to 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.320 be able to check that out this year, but it'll 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:44.980 be interesting and there's a very good lineup 00:08:44.980 --> 00:08:49.240 of people for that so um another thing that the 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:53.100 league is doing um but right now we're focused 00:08:53.100 --> 00:08:57.240 on field day that it's coming up or or just two 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:02.120 days away and um when when you started planning 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.960 field day which is is like you're always planning 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:08.470 field day but When you started planning field 00:09:08.470 --> 00:09:10.330 day for this year, we were all still wearing 00:09:10.330 --> 00:09:14.389 masks and vaccines hadn't rolled out yet. And, 00:09:14.629 --> 00:09:17.450 and boy has a lot changed in the last few weeks 00:09:17.450 --> 00:09:25.350 and months. So everything was set up for, you 00:09:25.350 --> 00:09:28.629 know, okay, just operate from home, just operate 00:09:28.629 --> 00:09:31.330 from home, just operate from home. And now all 00:09:31.330 --> 00:09:35.679 of a sudden it's like, Oh, well, if you're vaccinated, 00:09:35.740 --> 00:09:39.000 you don't have to wear a mask. And so we can 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:44.419 get back together again. So, so how has field 00:09:44.419 --> 00:09:50.519 day changed this year after the big change last 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.860 year? Well, as far as what we're doing rules 00:09:54.860 --> 00:09:57.100 wise, we haven't really changed anything because, 00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:01.860 you know, the Early on we didn't know where we 00:10:01.860 --> 00:10:04.320 were going to be come late June and that was 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:06.240 that that was one of the things we had dealt 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:09.440 with last year and this year we decided to kind 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:14.360 of Set the the rules waivers in place early instead 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:16.559 of waiting because we again we didn't know where 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.700 we would be and there was always the option of 00:10:20.700 --> 00:10:23.320 Going back to what would be considered more of 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.879 a normal regular field day or a traditional field 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:31.879 day If things have changed and we always had, 00:10:32.220 --> 00:10:34.399 the league stance was always pay attention to 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:37.559 what your local and state and regional authorities 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:42.940 are saying as far as mask mandates, whether your 00:10:42.940 --> 00:10:46.480 group feels safe. I mean, our biggest priority 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:49.240 is to making sure that groups feel safe. So there 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:53.940 was always the option of a participant operating 00:10:53.940 --> 00:10:57.279 from home. And what we're seeing this year is 00:10:57.740 --> 00:11:02.159 A lot more groups decided to do their traditional 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:06.379 Class A field day operations. And some members 00:11:06.379 --> 00:11:09.440 of those groups were still opting to stay home 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:11.759 and contribute their scores to the club aggregate 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:16.940 score. So it's kind of, I'm seeing a lot of people 00:11:16.940 --> 00:11:19.889 are emailing me saying. I want to work Class 00:11:19.889 --> 00:11:23.169 D or Class E from home, and I want to put my 00:11:23.169 --> 00:11:26.509 club score in. How do I attribute my score to 00:11:26.509 --> 00:11:28.710 my club? How do I do it? And I'm also seeing 00:11:28.710 --> 00:11:30.669 a lot of clubs saying, we're going ahead and 00:11:30.669 --> 00:11:33.269 doing a field day. We're going to have a public 00:11:33.269 --> 00:11:34.830 information table. We're going to open it to 00:11:34.830 --> 00:11:37.769 the public, more in the traditional sense. So 00:11:37.769 --> 00:11:40.750 I'm actually seeing more of a mix. Last year 00:11:40.750 --> 00:11:46.210 was heavy on the Class D and E, and not so heavy 00:11:46.210 --> 00:11:50.480 in the Class A. And I, you know, I didn't, I 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:52.720 didn't pull up that data last year. I had that 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:58.139 data for you, but it was really 90 % or so class 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:01.340 D and E home stations. And, you know, maybe not 00:12:01.340 --> 00:12:06.419 even 10 % people running class A's. Yeah. So 00:12:06.419 --> 00:12:09.419 it's been a lot different and let's talk about 00:12:09.419 --> 00:12:12.759 this, this club aggregate score, because that's 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:14.740 something that was just introduced last year 00:12:14.740 --> 00:12:24.490 for COVID. And it's a little easy to misconstrue 00:12:24.490 --> 00:12:26.909 what's going on here with the club aggregate 00:12:26.909 --> 00:12:30.669 score. So let's talk about that. So if I am going 00:12:30.669 --> 00:12:33.169 to work from home, we can contribute to that 00:12:33.169 --> 00:12:36.690 aggregate score, but we're not just adding our 00:12:36.690 --> 00:12:41.259 points in. Right, so right, so the aggregate 00:12:41.259 --> 00:12:44.240 score is completely done by the ARRL So in other 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:46.559 words if you're operating a class D or E from 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:49.899 home You're not taking your points and bring 00:12:49.899 --> 00:12:52.100 it over to your club secretary and say here add 00:12:52.100 --> 00:12:55.039 this to our score Well, what how the aggregate 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:57.340 score works and people who are more familiar 00:12:57.340 --> 00:13:00.980 with with traditional amateur radio contesting 00:13:00.980 --> 00:13:06.799 It kind of works the same way is People people 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:09.299 attribute their score to the club and then we 00:13:09.299 --> 00:13:11.840 just add up everyone's individual scores and 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:14.019 put a club aggregate score out there. So what 00:13:14.019 --> 00:13:17.779 happens is you'll enter your club name on the 00:13:17.779 --> 00:13:20.379 entry form and we'll go by that. So in other 00:13:20.379 --> 00:13:23.899 words, if you, we see, we see, I don't know, 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:26.740 to make up a club, Southern Kansas Amateur Radio 00:13:26.740 --> 00:13:29.860 Club, we see people attributing their scores 00:13:29.860 --> 00:13:33.340 to that same club. We add them all together and 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:36.139 Really, it's important to make sure you are using 00:13:36.139 --> 00:13:40.580 A, the correct club name. In other words, Kansas 00:13:40.580 --> 00:13:44.240 City Amateur Radio Club or ARC. I mean, we were 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:46.700 kind of hip enough to realize the abbreviations, 00:13:46.740 --> 00:13:50.220 but some people get the names not even the same. 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:51.600 They're like, well, how come my score didn't 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:54.919 get attributed to my club? Well, because it's 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:57.340 all based on what your club name is in the entry. 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:00.139 So you don't send that into your club. You send 00:14:00.139 --> 00:14:03.370 it into the ARL as a separate entry. Under your 00:14:03.370 --> 00:14:06.409 own call sign and the club if they're also doing 00:14:06.409 --> 00:14:10.169 a class a or b Will operate under their call 00:14:10.169 --> 00:14:12.769 sign possibly their club sign or another call 00:14:12.769 --> 00:14:16.269 sign But it's not the same call sign. So it's 00:14:16.269 --> 00:14:21.649 based on the club name And you're just going 00:14:21.649 --> 00:14:24.049 you're not going to put that in as like at the 00:14:24.049 --> 00:14:27.210 top you're going to put that in Where it asks 00:14:27.210 --> 00:14:30.029 you for a club, right? Right. You're going to 00:14:30.029 --> 00:14:32.090 put your call sign in where it says call sign 00:14:32.090 --> 00:14:34.409 and it says club or group name, and you're gonna 00:14:34.409 --> 00:14:36.590 put the name of the club, and if you looked at 00:14:36.590 --> 00:14:38.529 how we did the results last year, you'll see 00:14:38.529 --> 00:14:41.690 there was a list of club aggregate scores right 00:14:41.690 --> 00:14:44.990 on the top of the page. Actually, it was on page 00:14:44.990 --> 00:14:47.730 72, QSP. I'm gonna actually pull the article 00:14:47.730 --> 00:14:50.250 up. So you see the club aggregate scores. This 00:14:50.250 --> 00:14:52.970 lists the name of the club, the total score of 00:14:52.970 --> 00:14:55.549 all the entries that were submitted, and then 00:14:55.549 --> 00:14:57.330 the total number of entries that were submitted. 00:14:58.570 --> 00:15:00.389 For example, I'm just looking at the top of the 00:15:00.389 --> 00:15:03.730 list. We had an aardvark wireless group, had 00:15:03.730 --> 00:15:09.029 an aggregate score of 1200, 354, or 12 ,354 rather, 00:15:09.570 --> 00:15:12.309 and 10 entries. So that was the all 10 entries 00:15:12.309 --> 00:15:14.289 that had attributed their names to that club. 00:15:15.169 --> 00:15:19.009 That's how we added up the score. And if there 00:15:19.009 --> 00:15:22.090 was a class A in there under that same club, 00:15:22.190 --> 00:15:26.570 they're added in there as well. Okay, so hopefully 00:15:26.570 --> 00:15:30.500 everybody can get that figured out. Yeah, don't 00:15:30.500 --> 00:15:32.659 just hand off your points to the club secretary. 00:15:34.179 --> 00:15:38.639 I spent a lot of time, so how I get the scores 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:44.120 is when this is done, we have our website is 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.299 graciously and wonderfully programmed by Bruce 00:15:46.299 --> 00:15:53.340 Horn. He hands me off an Excel file, or it's 00:15:53.340 --> 00:15:56.690 a kind of separated file. So I have to work from 00:15:56.690 --> 00:15:58.950 this master spreadsheet of every single entry 00:15:58.950 --> 00:16:01.110 at every single club name. And we had to go and 00:16:01.110 --> 00:16:03.490 vet every single club name and make sure they 00:16:03.490 --> 00:16:05.529 were spelled right and edited. And, you know, 00:16:05.570 --> 00:16:07.730 when we went and published these results, we 00:16:07.730 --> 00:16:10.570 had over 10 ,000 entries in quite a few clubs 00:16:10.570 --> 00:16:14.350 that we, that me and the editors at QST had a 00:16:14.350 --> 00:16:20.629 painstakingly and, and, and really. Really carefully 00:16:20.629 --> 00:16:23.029 make sure we got it right and I'm sure we missed 00:16:23.029 --> 00:16:32.190 a few and it also took a lot of chocolate I have 00:16:32.190 --> 00:16:36.210 to say I really think Jen and the editors at 00:16:36.210 --> 00:16:41.029 QST and and Becky Schoenfeld and and all the 00:16:41.029 --> 00:16:44.070 QST people for their support and their their 00:16:44.070 --> 00:16:46.690 help in this because it was really it was it 00:16:46.690 --> 00:16:49.570 was Quite a month getting that December issue 00:16:49.570 --> 00:16:52.870 together and I really really want to send a shout 00:16:52.870 --> 00:16:56.610 out to Jody Moran Who does the layout for QST? 00:16:57.289 --> 00:16:59.629 She and I went over that time and time again, 00:16:59.649 --> 00:17:02.009 and it was really it was painstaking and it was 00:17:02.009 --> 00:17:05.049 it was getting stressful She has a love for Reese's 00:17:05.049 --> 00:17:06.849 peanut butter cup, so I kept feeding her pieces 00:17:06.849 --> 00:17:11.690 peanut butter cups other times As I was going 00:17:11.690 --> 00:17:13.670 to say, it sounds like you may need to call Ted's 00:17:13.670 --> 00:17:15.470 and bring in some of those steamed cheeseburgers 00:17:15.470 --> 00:17:20.789 for those late night tallying sessions. There 00:17:20.789 --> 00:17:24.430 was a lot of work that went into that. You know, 00:17:24.490 --> 00:17:27.490 I feel bad when we miss one. Occasionally we 00:17:27.490 --> 00:17:29.690 had one club. There's like, you know, you listed 00:17:29.690 --> 00:17:31.650 us in two different entries. It's like, okay, 00:17:31.769 --> 00:17:33.829 we'll change it in the online edition, but what's 00:17:33.829 --> 00:17:37.130 in print is already out. So we tried as much 00:17:37.130 --> 00:17:39.089 as we could to get them accurate, but it was 00:17:39.089 --> 00:17:41.250 tough, because we had a lot of club names that 00:17:41.250 --> 00:17:44.569 are similar. Like here, I'll pick some more, 00:17:46.069 --> 00:17:48.970 I'm trying to find some more examples here, but 00:17:48.970 --> 00:17:54.970 we had like Central Oregon Coast ARC, and Central 00:17:54.970 --> 00:17:58.569 Oregon DX Club, and the people on the west coast, 00:17:59.009 --> 00:18:02.650 notice how I pronounced the name, the state correctly. 00:18:03.910 --> 00:18:06.569 You don't pronounce it Oregon. That's an East 00:18:06.569 --> 00:18:09.049 Coast thing. Anyway, so you want to make sure 00:18:09.049 --> 00:18:11.109 that, yes, they're both central Oregon, but you 00:18:11.109 --> 00:18:14.150 want to make sure that you're selecting the right 00:18:14.150 --> 00:18:17.049 club that you put in there, that you're entering 00:18:17.049 --> 00:18:20.450 the right club name. Like another example here, 00:18:21.670 --> 00:18:24.269 Charlotte ARC, Amateur Radio Club, Charlotte 00:18:24.269 --> 00:18:27.210 ARS, Amateur Radio Society, two different clubs, 00:18:27.910 --> 00:18:29.609 similar name. They may not even be in the same 00:18:29.609 --> 00:18:32.089 state. I'm assuming they're in North Carolina, 00:18:32.109 --> 00:18:36.000 but they may not be. Yeah, and then you've got 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:40.099 you've even got Deers you've got Deers the Dresden 00:18:40.099 --> 00:18:44.019 Elementary Amateur radio society and then you've 00:18:44.019 --> 00:18:48.440 got the Disney emergency amateur radio society 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:52.920 Those acronyms get you every time I'm glad you 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:56.440 brought that up aside from acronyms like ARC 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:01.359 and ARS We understand those if you if your club 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:05.710 is using an acronym, please do not use the acronym 00:19:05.710 --> 00:19:08.309 when you enter your club score. It really made 00:19:08.309 --> 00:19:13.990 it tough. It really made it tough. There's several 00:19:13.990 --> 00:19:16.950 of them. There's one, Bears, V -E -A -R -S, and 00:19:16.950 --> 00:19:19.069 there's also a Connecticut club, Bears of Manchester. 00:19:21.170 --> 00:19:24.369 You just put in Bears. Well, a lot of times I'd 00:19:24.369 --> 00:19:29.039 see what section they'd be in. And then you assume 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:32.380 okay, this guy's Associating it to Bears and 00:19:32.380 --> 00:19:34.640 he's in Connecticut. Well, I think he means Bears 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:37.900 of Manchester Because of where they're located, 00:19:38.059 --> 00:19:41.460 but that doesn't necessarily mean there are no 00:19:41.460 --> 00:19:44.220 Restrictions and field day since it's not a contest. 00:19:44.380 --> 00:19:46.200 There's no restriction. You don't have to be 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:49.819 in a club territory So in traditional contests, 00:19:49.819 --> 00:19:51.859 you have to be within a defined territory to 00:19:51.859 --> 00:19:54.880 contribute to your club and if you're not you 00:19:54.940 --> 00:19:57.200 You have to be on an eligibility list. There's 00:19:57.200 --> 00:19:59.740 none of that. You can attribute your score to 00:19:59.740 --> 00:20:01.380 any club. You could be in Florida, attribute 00:20:01.380 --> 00:20:03.980 one to that up in Alaska if you wanted to. If 00:20:03.980 --> 00:20:05.519 you felt like setting your points their way, 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:11.880 you could. So it really is up to you. And again, 00:20:12.019 --> 00:20:16.920 you really want to avoid acronyms and make sure 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:20.200 you have the club, the correct club you're attributing 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:23.509 your score to. Yeah, I think there's a Bears 00:20:23.509 --> 00:20:27.109 in Chicago, too. The broadcast employees amateur 00:20:27.109 --> 00:20:32.190 radio. I think that's right. One time there was. 00:20:32.869 --> 00:20:36.750 And don't forget the Bears. The Bears. Yes, the 00:20:36.750 --> 00:20:39.789 Bears are in Chicago. Well, hey, if you have 00:20:39.789 --> 00:20:42.609 a question, give us a call. We're going to open 00:20:42.609 --> 00:20:49.000 up the lives right now at 859 -988 - I'll give 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.319 you the number again in a minute. But go ahead 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:53.940 and call right now if you have a field day question 00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:58.440 for Paul Bork in 1SFE. He is the contest manager 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:07.740 at ARRL. So go ahead and give us call 859 -982. 00:21:09.600 --> 00:21:13.880 73 73 is the number and you can tweet us it's 00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:16.599 at ham talk live and if you're on speaker you 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:19.660 can type in the comments and I'll check those 00:21:19.660 --> 00:21:24.279 as we go on this evening so well we always do 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:27.619 this show each year at kind of the last minute 00:21:27.619 --> 00:21:31.240 here to to kind of get through some of these 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:36.200 tricky little rule things and and You see those 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:40.220 mistakes you go through the whole painstaking 00:21:40.220 --> 00:21:46.339 process of going through those CSV files what 00:21:46.339 --> 00:21:51.319 are some of the Common mistakes you saw last 00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:54.619 year and and and how did that that aggregate 00:21:54.619 --> 00:21:58.079 group scoring go? Well, I mean, I think I kind 00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:02.180 of touched on that before One of the most common 00:22:02.180 --> 00:22:04.960 things is just not attributing to the correct 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:08.359 club another you know an AR ARS instead of an 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:11.839 ARC or Spelling the name of the club wrong because 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:14.160 you know I see as a different club now Spelling 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:16.500 errors are sometimes easy because they'll show 00:22:16.500 --> 00:22:19.299 up next to each other alphabetically So there 00:22:19.299 --> 00:22:21.440 was a lot of that and spelling errors where that 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:26.900 was more of an editing thing So and I think I 00:22:26.900 --> 00:22:30.029 did see a couple scores where they added in their 00:22:30.029 --> 00:22:35.009 scores to the main club's call side, and they 00:22:35.009 --> 00:22:39.529 may not have even had an operation. Really, it 00:22:39.529 --> 00:22:45.869 was more of just making sure that the club was 00:22:45.869 --> 00:22:49.450 spelled and formatted similarly. Now, we tried 00:22:49.450 --> 00:22:53.910 to program the web uploader for them to kind 00:22:53.910 --> 00:22:57.660 of give you a suggestion of your club name. And 00:22:57.660 --> 00:22:59.980 it won't cover all of them. It will only give 00:22:59.980 --> 00:23:02.759 you suggestions based on what was previously 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:05.240 entered. And we went from the list from last 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:07.599 year to try to clean up the bad club names. So 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:10.779 if you start typing the word Manchester, for 00:23:10.779 --> 00:23:12.880 example, and there's more than one Manchester 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:15.359 club, it'll give you a list of names. But if 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.339 your club name isn't on there for some reason, 00:23:17.380 --> 00:23:23.039 because we're not limiting it to just ARRL affiliated 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:26.950 clubs or contest clubs, It will allow you to 00:23:26.950 --> 00:23:29.190 type in the full name. So if you started to type 00:23:29.190 --> 00:23:30.849 something in and spelled it wrong, that's going 00:23:30.849 --> 00:23:33.289 to show up as a valid club name. But we did try 00:23:33.289 --> 00:23:37.309 to help by having a drop -down list to try to 00:23:37.309 --> 00:23:39.369 steer the clubs from entering the correct name. 00:23:39.410 --> 00:23:42.349 So basically what happens is if the club's name 00:23:42.349 --> 00:23:44.769 is not on the list, the first person that enters 00:23:44.769 --> 00:23:48.390 it, it's going to show up as that. If that was 00:23:48.390 --> 00:23:50.650 entered wrong, then somebody's going to go enter 00:23:50.650 --> 00:23:53.009 it correctly. Then there will be two, one spelled 00:23:53.009 --> 00:23:56.349 incorrectly or maybe with the wrong, something 00:23:56.349 --> 00:23:58.750 different in the name, like, you know, county 00:23:58.750 --> 00:24:02.789 instead of area, or, you know, there's a different 00:24:02.789 --> 00:24:04.869 word in there, like, you know, northern county 00:24:04.869 --> 00:24:07.329 this, instead of northern area this, there's 00:24:07.329 --> 00:24:10.029 going to be both there. So we, it's really kind 00:24:10.029 --> 00:24:12.970 of important to make sure, I think really what 00:24:12.970 --> 00:24:17.309 I emphasized. was that club secretaries and the 00:24:17.309 --> 00:24:18.890 people who were coordinating the field day with 00:24:18.890 --> 00:24:21.910 people operating from home is that they let their 00:24:21.910 --> 00:24:25.109 club know exactly how they wanted that name formatted 00:24:25.109 --> 00:24:29.809 and really try to stick to as close to the official 00:24:29.809 --> 00:24:32.349 club name as you can. I mean, sometimes you're 00:24:32.349 --> 00:24:34.950 too long and you get edited when it goes to QSD 00:24:34.950 --> 00:24:38.150 because of space limitations. So we do have that 00:24:38.150 --> 00:24:40.670 too. So a lot of times you'll see counting will 00:24:40.670 --> 00:24:46.359 be abbreviated to CO, ARC, radio club. A lot 00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:49.000 of that happens on the QST ad, but that's more 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:52.559 for space limitations than for the entry form. 00:24:54.259 --> 00:24:56.539 All right. Very good. Well, we're getting ready 00:24:56.539 --> 00:24:59.059 to take a break, but we have a call on the line 00:24:59.059 --> 00:25:01.619 and I don't want to miss it. So let's take the 00:25:01.619 --> 00:25:03.880 call. Good evening. Welcome to HamTalk Live. 00:25:05.500 --> 00:25:08.339 Good evening. Thanks for doing this. Hey, good 00:25:08.339 --> 00:25:10.359 evening. Oh, you're very welcome. Who do we have 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:14.779 here? Yeah, my name is Robin. It's call sign 00:25:14.779 --> 00:25:19.779 November 6th, Romeo Lima Sierra. And I'm in the 00:25:19.779 --> 00:25:24.740 East Bay in California. And our club this year, 00:25:24.859 --> 00:25:28.140 which normally does the 24 -hour field day and 00:25:28.140 --> 00:25:32.099 sets up at a site and the people come by and 00:25:32.099 --> 00:25:35.119 we do the whole shebang, this year we're teaming 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:37.960 up with another club and they're only doing part 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.190 of a day. And I think all we're doing uh... we're 00:25:41.190 --> 00:25:43.690 helping them out and we're running the uh... 00:25:43.690 --> 00:25:47.069 get on the air temp uh... and you know doing 00:25:47.069 --> 00:25:48.890 what we can i don't think we're operating under 00:25:48.890 --> 00:25:51.710 our normal club call five to be uh... helping 00:25:51.710 --> 00:25:53.630 this other club but they're running under their 00:25:53.630 --> 00:25:59.609 callsign my question is as a member of the uh... 00:25:59.609 --> 00:26:01.490 first club the one that's helping the other one 00:26:01.490 --> 00:26:06.950 out uh... if i eight want to assign uh... that 00:26:06.950 --> 00:26:11.599 club As my club when I'm turning in my at -home 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.279 Scoring do they get the points even if they are 00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:16.720 not actually doing it or should I use the other 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:20.259 clubs? Call sign or does any of that matter? 00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:23.500 Alright, so let me see if I understand this correctly 00:26:23.500 --> 00:26:25.740 because I'm kind of not so you're going to help 00:26:25.740 --> 00:26:28.640 participate in the the other club, but you want 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:32.019 to work from home as well and contribute to Like 00:26:32.019 --> 00:26:34.039 a class of the year he stations with different 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:36.720 clubs. Is that what I'm understanding? Yeah, 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:39.480 I did that last year with my own club of my own 00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:42.579 club I believe turned in a report even though 00:26:42.579 --> 00:26:45.180 we weren't well actually we did set up at somebody's 00:26:45.180 --> 00:26:50.640 house and operated under the club's call sign 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:59.009 Okay, I think I understand so In other words, 00:26:59.309 --> 00:27:02.109 if you submit a score under your club's name 00:27:02.109 --> 00:27:04.410 and your club does not submit an entry, will 00:27:04.410 --> 00:27:06.130 that still get attributed? Is that what you're 00:27:06.130 --> 00:27:09.890 asking? Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah, it will. 00:27:09.930 --> 00:27:12.289 So if you put the name of your home club and 00:27:12.289 --> 00:27:15.970 they're not running a club station, your score 00:27:15.970 --> 00:27:18.210 will still show up as being attributed to their 00:27:18.210 --> 00:27:21.609 club score. Your Class D or E station from home 00:27:21.609 --> 00:27:24.890 will show up as whatever club you attribute it 00:27:24.890 --> 00:27:28.079 to. regardless of whether they have a Class A 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:32.059 or B. Okay, now I've got another fine point question. 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:34.940 I actually tweeted this in, so I don't know if 00:27:34.940 --> 00:27:37.460 it's going to overlap or something, but I got 00:27:37.460 --> 00:27:42.140 to wondering, some stuff like, you know, picking 00:27:42.140 --> 00:27:46.619 up and getting the ARRL message, you know, that 00:27:46.619 --> 00:27:48.960 you send out several times during field day, 00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:53.059 that's worth a hundred points. Now with me and 00:27:53.130 --> 00:27:56.670 Can other people in the club do the same thing? 00:27:56.710 --> 00:27:59.650 We all send in the message because I don't know 00:27:59.650 --> 00:28:02.529 precisely what everybody else is doing. Do those 00:28:02.529 --> 00:28:05.230 scores add up or does the club just get one of 00:28:05.230 --> 00:28:08.450 those 100 points? Okay, so what we're doing for 00:28:08.450 --> 00:28:12.490 the aggregate scores is we're just taking the 00:28:12.490 --> 00:28:15.190 sum of all the individual entries. So whatever 00:28:15.190 --> 00:28:17.990 bonus points each station earns on their own 00:28:17.990 --> 00:28:20.569 or whatever QSO points they earn on their own, 00:28:20.769 --> 00:28:22.849 they're all going to get added up. So if 10 did, 00:28:23.049 --> 00:28:26.829 the aggregate score would show 1 ,000 points 00:28:26.829 --> 00:28:32.750 as being attributed to the club. So since everyone's 00:28:32.750 --> 00:28:35.349 operating under their own call signs, we're treating 00:28:35.349 --> 00:28:37.589 them as separate entries. We're just combining 00:28:37.589 --> 00:28:39.650 the individual scores as an aggregate score. 00:28:40.069 --> 00:28:43.630 So we're not cross -checking. If you work somebody 00:28:43.630 --> 00:28:46.230 on 20 meters phone and somebody else worked the 00:28:46.230 --> 00:28:48.349 same guy on 20 meters phone, we don't consider 00:28:48.349 --> 00:28:51.430 it a dupe like you would if you were both working 00:28:51.430 --> 00:28:54.940 at the club. under the club call sign. So it's, 00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:58.000 you know, so you all work the same stations, 00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:03.700 you get the same bonus points. And so the other 00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:06.299 question I had while I got you on the phone here 00:29:06.299 --> 00:29:10.319 was I also run the Twitter page for our club 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.359 and we've tweeted out that we're gonna be doing 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:18.000 this and we use the ARRLFD hashtag. Is that worth 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:25.259 pointing? So there are, I'm trying to find the 00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:28.799 actual wording of it here in the rules Social 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:31.940 media 100 points for promoting your field day 00:29:31.940 --> 00:29:34.339 activation to the general public by an active 00:29:34.339 --> 00:29:37.539 recognized and utilized social media platform 00:29:37.539 --> 00:29:42.259 now And it says Facebook Twitter Instagram, etc 00:29:42.259 --> 00:29:45.460 This bonus is available only to amateur radio 00:29:45.460 --> 00:29:47.900 clubs and field day groups that welcome visitors 00:29:47.900 --> 00:29:51.759 to their operation. So it says Individual participants 00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:54.599 do not qualify for this bonus. So you should 00:29:54.599 --> 00:30:00.440 really be more of a club that is, you know, promoting 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.279 your social media activation like at a club, 00:30:03.579 --> 00:30:09.559 like a public site. Okay, okay. Fine print department. 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:15.460 Here's the details on this. My club Twitter account 00:30:15.460 --> 00:30:19.150 that I happen to be the one who runs it. put 00:30:19.150 --> 00:30:21.450 out a notice that we are working with this other 00:30:21.450 --> 00:30:26.289 club who is at a park where people can show up 00:30:26.289 --> 00:30:29.450 and we gave the details of that and the operating 00:30:29.450 --> 00:30:31.789 hours so people could come by and visit and so 00:30:31.789 --> 00:30:35.069 forth. So we are helping the other club out. 00:30:35.190 --> 00:30:39.029 The other club has some of our members there. 00:30:42.849 --> 00:30:45.490 Is the other club claiming that bonus as well? 00:30:48.089 --> 00:30:50.150 I would imagine they would be if they do it. 00:30:50.829 --> 00:30:53.029 Yeah Yeah, so I mean that's kind of that's kind 00:30:53.029 --> 00:30:55.410 of it. That's kind of a sticky point because 00:30:55.410 --> 00:31:01.289 it you know You wouldn't want to have every member 00:31:01.289 --> 00:31:06.609 of your club be be Be claiming that bonus if 00:31:06.609 --> 00:31:09.230 you know no no no no no no no I'm just saying 00:31:09.230 --> 00:31:12.730 that Well, yeah, I guess one person would have 00:31:12.730 --> 00:31:16.150 to Send a photograph of the tweet in or something, 00:31:16.170 --> 00:31:20.549 right? Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's I mean 00:31:20.549 --> 00:31:23.549 if you want to you can always just you know If 00:31:23.549 --> 00:31:25.589 you want to discuss it more detail, you can always 00:31:25.589 --> 00:31:28.069 send me an email on my call sign There's no remember 00:31:28.069 --> 00:31:31.349 once Sierra Fox Trot Echo SFV and I'm the end 00:31:31.349 --> 00:31:34.869 one SFV at a RRL org. This is shooting email 00:31:34.869 --> 00:31:38.049 You know, we could we could discuss that too 00:31:38.049 --> 00:31:41.269 because it never really is It's a gray area. 00:31:42.049 --> 00:31:43.930 I Guess the worst that would happen is it would 00:31:43.930 --> 00:31:48.420 get rejected Yeah, and we really really it's 00:31:48.420 --> 00:31:52.259 it's really it's really about the honor system 00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:56.220 and you know and Really what the intent of the 00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:57.759 rule is you know you're getting you're getting 00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.680 the message out And we're working out. We're 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:02.539 not we're not gonna. We're not gonna nitpick 00:32:02.539 --> 00:32:05.599 over little things like that You know really 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.220 it's about it's about it's about presenting amateur 00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:11.920 radio to the public and promoting it right and 00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:13.887 Getting out of here and having fun. I mean it's 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:16.400 That's one of the biggest things about field 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:20.299 day is really, I think, especially with the changes 00:32:20.299 --> 00:32:22.380 the last couple of years, a lot of participants 00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:25.779 got kind of hung up on the fine details of the 00:32:25.779 --> 00:32:28.240 roles and kind of lost sight of the fact that 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:32.480 what is field day really all about? And it really 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.519 is about showcasing amateur radio to the public. 00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:36.839 So I think you're kind of going in the right 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:41.599 direction with that. Okay, great. And by the 00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.500 way, thanks for putting that insert into the 00:32:44.500 --> 00:32:48.500 field day issue of QST, the guide for field day. 00:32:48.579 --> 00:32:52.079 That was a great touch. And 73, thanks for doing 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.579 the show. All right, 73. And yeah, that was our 00:32:55.579 --> 00:32:57.380 marketing department who came up with that one, 00:32:57.380 --> 00:33:00.819 and that was a wonderful idea. So I believe that 00:33:00.819 --> 00:33:02.880 was sponsored by somebody. I can't remember who 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:07.960 sponsored it off the top of my head. Some store 00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.400 that sells ham radio equipment, I think was a 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:14.680 sponsor of that Who recently closed down their 00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:27.180 Bay Area location by the way Robin thank you 00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:30.079 so much for the call. We appreciate it It's always 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.880 a lot more fun when people call. So thank you 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.440 so much for calling and some good questions All 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.660 right, thank you. What's a call -in show with 00:33:40.660 --> 00:33:46.220 no callers? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It'd be like 00:33:46.220 --> 00:33:48.059 a Frasier Crane, didn't have anybody calling 00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:53.519 us. Sometimes I feel like I'm a psychiatrist. 00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.240 Or at least play one on TV. Well anyway, all 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.579 right. 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Now it's time for 00:36:48.929 --> 00:36:52.070 the HamTalk Live Ham Radio Joke of the Week, 00:36:52.289 --> 00:36:54.710 the part of the show where Rick tells us a ham 00:36:54.710 --> 00:36:57.969 radio joke. The HamTalk Live Ham Radio Joke of 00:36:57.969 --> 00:37:01.389 the Week is brought to you by QRM Labs. Now, 00:37:01.530 --> 00:37:05.469 here's Rick Garrett, N9GSU, with today's HamTalk 00:37:05.469 --> 00:37:13.599 Live Joke of the Week. I had an antenna -raising 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.239 party last Saturday. We worked all morning and 00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:18.380 then it was time to break for lunch, so I ordered 00:37:18.380 --> 00:37:21.139 pizza. Everybody came in but Gary, he was still 00:37:21.139 --> 00:37:23.239 up on the roof. So I walked outside and yelled 00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:25.500 up, Gary, why are you still on the roof? He said, 00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:29.519 well, you said pizza was on the house. This has 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:32.519 been the HamTalk Live, ham radio joke of the 00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:36.219 week with Rick Garrett, N9 GSU. Tune in again 00:37:36.219 --> 00:37:42.219 next week for another joke from Rick. Oh boy. 00:37:43.300 --> 00:37:46.800 Pizza is on the house. I just have to say one 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:52.219 thing that's blah blah blah blah. So maybe that's 00:37:52.219 --> 00:37:56.619 some of that some of that field day pizza. Yeah. 00:37:56.619 --> 00:37:59.550 It's on the house. There we go. All right the 00:37:59.550 --> 00:38:02.869 phone number eight five nine nine eight two seventy 00:38:02.869 --> 00:38:06.090 three seventy three or tweet us at ham talk live 00:38:06.090 --> 00:38:09.389 if you're on Spreaker you can type in the comments 00:38:09.389 --> 00:38:13.429 and if you're listening to us on WTWW or on the 00:38:13.429 --> 00:38:15.670 podcast edition you won't be able to reach us 00:38:15.670 --> 00:38:19.550 live since we're doing this Thursday night and 00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:24.699 Hopefully, we will hear you on this weekend at 00:38:24.699 --> 00:38:27.840 field day. I'm going to be visiting a couple 00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:31.860 of field days. I'll be at the Northern Kentucky 00:38:31.860 --> 00:38:35.699 Amateur Radio Club. Let's see, is that K4CN? 00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:39.940 I think it is. Before I head up to the Voice 00:38:39.940 --> 00:38:43.079 of America Museum at the Westchester Amateur 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:47.519 Radio Association, WC8VOA. So that's where I 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:50.170 will be on the air. You're doing a bit of driving 00:38:50.170 --> 00:38:52.090 there, huh? You're doing a bit of driving there, 00:38:52.090 --> 00:38:56.469 huh? Yes, I will be driving there. Oh, I mean, 00:38:56.530 --> 00:38:59.090 I would say, you know, is Westchester from Kentucky 00:38:59.090 --> 00:39:02.789 quite a hall? Eh, it's about an hour. Not quite 00:39:02.789 --> 00:39:06.349 an hour, depending on traffic. It just seems 00:39:06.349 --> 00:39:08.050 to wander, because there are two different states. 00:39:09.010 --> 00:39:12.489 Yeah, yeah, but when the state line is 20 minutes 00:39:12.489 --> 00:39:15.309 away, you know, that's the way it goes. That's 00:39:15.309 --> 00:39:17.170 right, because you're down by Cincinnati, right? 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:21.159 Yes, yeah, we're just on the Kentucky side of 00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:24.940 Cincinnati now so So I'm going to visit the club 00:39:24.940 --> 00:39:27.519 here and then I got a bunch of projects going 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:32.360 on up north so we'll get up to the The Westchester 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:35.320 Club for the evening. So that'll be that'll be 00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.559 a lot of fun Well again, if you have a question, 00:39:38.739 --> 00:39:41.559 give us a call. This is your your chance to get 00:39:42.500 --> 00:39:45.380 a question from the expert it's eight or an answer 00:39:45.380 --> 00:39:51.860 from the expert it's 859 -982 -7373 and let me 00:39:51.860 --> 00:39:55.360 check the the tweets here and make sure we're 00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:58.019 not missing anything i see robin's tweet but 00:39:58.019 --> 00:40:02.260 we got to that one so i think we're i think we're 00:40:02.260 --> 00:40:04.840 in good shape now one other thing and i know 00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.860 we talked about this with with a couple of My 00:40:07.860 --> 00:40:10.820 friends from the Westchester amateur radio association 00:40:10.820 --> 00:40:14.099 here. I think it was earlier today actually with 00:40:14.099 --> 00:40:20.760 Jocelyn Talking about the battery from home And 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.099 which class it is and I know we talked about 00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:28.079 it on the show last year. So Let's let's straighten 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.280 out the difference between the bonus points and 00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:36.210 and the class for that battery Okay, so first 00:40:36.210 --> 00:40:40.150 off we have the two home, the quote unquote home 00:40:40.150 --> 00:40:43.949 station classes. Now I have people question me 00:40:43.949 --> 00:40:46.230 on this too. A home station doesn't necessarily 00:40:46.230 --> 00:40:50.130 mean someone's home. It means a permanent licensed 00:40:50.130 --> 00:40:55.110 location. That could be a club, a club field 00:40:55.110 --> 00:40:56.829 house where it's a permanent, where they have 00:40:56.829 --> 00:40:59.110 a station set up. That technically, if you're 00:40:59.110 --> 00:41:03.969 running on commercial power, is a class D, Delta. 00:41:04.230 --> 00:41:06.710 Is that a station operating from permanent or 00:41:06.710 --> 00:41:09.889 licensed station locations using commercial power? 00:41:10.289 --> 00:41:13.250 So it's a class D Delta. No, it's just, we'll 00:41:13.250 --> 00:41:15.670 just strip that down just to the class first. 00:41:16.050 --> 00:41:20.010 Class E, Echo, is home stations on emergency 00:41:20.010 --> 00:41:24.050 power. Again, same as class D, but using emergency 00:41:24.050 --> 00:41:28.630 power for transmitters and receivers. So if you're 00:41:28.630 --> 00:41:33.699 operating entirely on battery from home, You 00:41:33.699 --> 00:41:36.179 would be a class E echo, because that would be 00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:39.980 emergency power. The same thing would apply if 00:41:39.980 --> 00:41:44.260 you were autogenerator on class E. You'd be class 00:41:44.260 --> 00:41:51.239 E, but you wouldn't be running on battery. So 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.440 you'd still be class E. But if you're a home 00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:58.480 station on battery, you also qualify for bonus 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:02.039 points. You qualify for the 100 % emergency power 00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:04.179 if you're on emergency power the whole time, 00:42:04.460 --> 00:42:07.380 regardless of whether that's a battery or a generator. 00:42:08.500 --> 00:42:14.820 But if you're running on battery and, again, 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:18.940 no motor generator and your QRP, power level 00:42:18.940 --> 00:42:21.980 of less than five watts, you also qualify for 00:42:21.980 --> 00:42:25.320 the five -time power multiplier. So there's the 00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:28.139 power multiplier. which multiplies your points, 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:32.380 your eqsos, by a different factor depending on 00:42:32.380 --> 00:42:35.059 whether you're on emergency power or not. If 00:42:35.059 --> 00:42:39.280 you're odd, if you look at the, if you look at 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.440 that bonus point, it is you have to be running 00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:46.119 five watts or less and you're powered from something 00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:49.079 other than a motor -driven generator or commercial 00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:53.079 power. That can be batteries charged by solar 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.239 wind, whatever, or solar wind. So in other words, 00:42:56.300 --> 00:42:59.800 you have to be qrp and you're running and you're 00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:02.380 running less than less than a five watch or less 00:43:02.380 --> 00:43:07.300 runner does that make any sense yeah it does 00:43:07.300 --> 00:43:12.079 it does well yeah don't confuse don't confuse 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:16.300 the class with the um don't confuse the class 00:43:16.300 --> 00:43:20.000 with the with the power multiplier so for home 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.639 stations you have you have a home station on 00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.539 Battery power, but if you're under five watts 00:43:26.539 --> 00:43:29.380 you get a different power multiplier now that 00:43:29.380 --> 00:43:31.980 could be they could be confusing household class 00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:35.039 Bravo be battery Which is a field day station 00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.599 set up operated by no more than two persons, 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:42.199 right? But they are not at a permanently licensed 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.440 station location. There is a class Bravo battery, 00:43:45.820 --> 00:43:48.480 which is Has that same thing you feel they should 00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:50.800 set up and operated by no more than two persons 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.280 All contacts must be made with an output power 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:55.820 of five watts or less and the power source must 00:43:55.820 --> 00:43:58.579 be something other than commercial needs or a 00:43:58.579 --> 00:44:01.920 generator So that is where the where the five 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:08.380 um, the five time Power multiplier comes in Well, 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:13.579 let's open it up one last time here 8 5 9 9 8 00:44:13.579 --> 00:44:18.340 2 73 73 if you have a question, this is your 00:44:18.340 --> 00:44:26.739 last call here 8 5 9 9 8 2 73 73 and We'll finish 00:44:26.739 --> 00:44:29.960 things up here. So so what what are you doing 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.559 for field day? We talked about what I'm doing. 00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:35.500 What are you doing? Well, we have that mighty 00:44:35.500 --> 00:44:39.159 w1aw being activated for the weekend, so I was 00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:41.559 hoping to get over there for a little bit but 00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:44.820 We've got it. We got a busy weekend here at home 00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:47.000 So I'm hoping to be able to get over there at 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:49.719 some point I'm not quite sure whether that's 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.300 gonna personally happen for me I would love to 00:44:52.300 --> 00:44:56.019 get on it and be one of the w1aw operators because 00:44:56.019 --> 00:44:59.860 it's it's always a thrill to be the recipient 00:44:59.860 --> 00:45:04.989 of the pileup than being the other side I tell 00:45:04.989 --> 00:45:06.949 you though, as I was telling you before the show, 00:45:07.210 --> 00:45:10.150 Neil, I may be the contest manager, but I play 00:45:10.150 --> 00:45:13.449 when I'm on TV. Oh no, Bob. I may be the contest 00:45:13.449 --> 00:45:16.130 manager, but I'm not really, I'm not a die -hard 00:45:16.130 --> 00:45:21.750 contest. I'm more of a casual contestor. I get 00:45:21.750 --> 00:45:24.650 overwhelmed by pile -ups. The first time I did 00:45:24.650 --> 00:45:28.449 a pile -up was actually field day in 2019, and 00:45:28.449 --> 00:45:34.170 I was so overwhelmed. I had to step away and 00:45:34.170 --> 00:45:37.730 Bart, W9JJ, stepped in and ran it like a season 00:45:37.730 --> 00:45:41.869 pro. Well, the season pro that he is. It's always 00:45:41.869 --> 00:45:45.829 a thrill to get behind and get on the RW1AW. 00:45:46.090 --> 00:45:49.210 Because of COVID, it hasn't even been open up 00:45:49.210 --> 00:45:51.929 to staff, let alone visitors. So I haven't had 00:45:51.929 --> 00:45:55.869 an opportunity to even operate there. I did... 00:45:55.869 --> 00:45:58.809 I did record a presentation for the ARL Learning 00:45:58.809 --> 00:46:00.510 Network over there, so it was probably one of 00:46:00.510 --> 00:46:03.829 the first times I've been in there since the 00:46:03.829 --> 00:46:07.489 pandemic hit. So it's always really... I can 00:46:07.489 --> 00:46:11.210 attest that anytime you get on W1AW, you will 00:46:11.210 --> 00:46:14.909 get a pile up, even if it's Tuesday afternoon 00:46:14.909 --> 00:46:18.269 at one o 'clock, you'll get a pile up. So I can 00:46:18.269 --> 00:46:20.309 only imagine what they are during field day. 00:46:20.619 --> 00:46:24.460 You know, the first time I operated at W1AW is 00:46:24.460 --> 00:46:26.320 when I went to the league for my job interview 00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.179 and after the end of my interview I interviewed 00:46:28.179 --> 00:46:31.079 Bart and he says, well, do you want to go see 00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:35.360 W1AW? So we walked over and Joe, I had J1Q, said, 00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:39.199 hey, do you want to operate? Well, yeah. And 00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:41.739 the bands were dead. He put me on 20, it was 00:46:41.739 --> 00:46:43.719 the middle of the day. and the bands were dead, 00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:46.539 so I didn't even call CQ, I was actually just 00:46:46.539 --> 00:46:49.460 scanning around the dial and I caught two CUSOs 00:46:49.460 --> 00:46:52.719 in progress and I caught them both at the end 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:54.900 and I jump in after the guys are clearing each 00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:57.000 other, I get on and say, you know, whiskey one, 00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:59.659 alpha whiskey, there's this long silence and 00:46:59.659 --> 00:47:03.130 then... Did you just say and then they were both 00:47:03.130 --> 00:47:04.869 like they're both stations. It was the same thing 00:47:04.869 --> 00:47:08.030 You were like, oh my god, I've never worked w1aw. 00:47:08.030 --> 00:47:12.670 This is so awesome It really you know, it really 00:47:12.670 --> 00:47:14.570 makes it really makes you feel good I remember 00:47:14.570 --> 00:47:18.210 field day that field day in 2019. I Worked the 00:47:18.210 --> 00:47:21.030 station and they said this is my first hf contact 00:47:21.750 --> 00:47:25.130 And I wish I had remembered the call sign because 00:47:25.130 --> 00:47:27.070 I again I was running a pile up so I didn't have 00:47:27.070 --> 00:47:29.190 time to even write that call sign down because 00:47:29.190 --> 00:47:31.769 I really would have loved to have included that 00:47:31.769 --> 00:47:34.389 in the field day article that you know, you know 00:47:34.389 --> 00:47:36.809 this this station making their first HF contact 00:47:36.809 --> 00:47:39.210 as a field day participant and it worked W1AW 00:47:39.210 --> 00:47:43.369 and they were thrilled as their first HF. Always 00:47:43.369 --> 00:47:46.650 a thrill. I remember the first time I operated 00:47:46.650 --> 00:47:51.699 W1AW on lunch break while I was over there. I 00:47:51.699 --> 00:47:57.780 got South Africa twice. It's like, wait a minute, 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.699 you know? And I didn't even really think about 00:48:01.699 --> 00:48:03.960 it. I just logged it and kept on going. And then 00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:06.480 I was like, wait a minute, that was South Africa 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:12.280 and twice. Yeah, Joe Karcher says that W1AW automatically 00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:14.420 adds, just the call sign automatically adds like 00:48:14.420 --> 00:48:17.519 10 dB to your signal. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. 00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:23.219 Now if you put a YL on it W1 AW then that extra 00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:33.320 3 DB there, so yeah Well Paul we are out of time 00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:35.679 and I think we've we've hit all the questions 00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:40.059 so we'll wish everyone a great field day whether 00:48:40.059 --> 00:48:44.440 you're operating at home or with a group and 00:48:44.969 --> 00:48:49.230 Things are starting to get back to whatever normal 00:48:49.230 --> 00:48:54.369 is. And so maybe next year, it'll all be back 00:48:54.369 --> 00:48:58.530 to normal. We'll wait and see. But whatever you 00:48:58.530 --> 00:49:01.829 do this weekend, we wish you well. And Paul, 00:49:01.869 --> 00:49:04.289 any closing comments here before we shut things 00:49:04.289 --> 00:49:07.170 down tonight? Yeah, I'm going to repeat what 00:49:07.170 --> 00:49:10.510 I said earlier. Get out there and get on the 00:49:10.510 --> 00:49:12.889 air and have fun. Really, the key is to have 00:49:12.889 --> 00:49:19.690 fun. Hopefully maybe we'll introduce some new 00:49:19.690 --> 00:49:23.090 people to amateur radio or maybe even inspire 00:49:23.090 --> 00:49:27.130 the next generation of amateur operators. Just 00:49:27.130 --> 00:49:31.130 get out there and show everyone what the best 00:49:31.130 --> 00:49:34.130 amateur radio can be. and demonstrate there's 00:49:34.130 --> 00:49:37.389 so many different facets. Field day is really 00:49:37.389 --> 00:49:39.429 what you make of it, whether it's an emergency 00:49:39.429 --> 00:49:42.170 preparedness exercise, whether you do consider 00:49:42.170 --> 00:49:43.889 it a contest, even though we don't officially 00:49:43.889 --> 00:49:47.230 consider it a contest. Just get out there and 00:49:47.230 --> 00:49:51.969 really take from it what part of it you want 00:49:51.969 --> 00:49:58.690 and have fun. Yeah, it is a fun time. Make the 00:49:58.690 --> 00:50:00.849 most of it. Well, thanks, Paul, for coming on 00:50:00.849 --> 00:50:04.829 the show again. We do this every year and I appreciate 00:50:04.829 --> 00:50:08.269 you continuing the tradition and answering the 00:50:08.269 --> 00:50:11.389 questions and you got a couple of stumpers tonight. 00:50:11.789 --> 00:50:15.369 So good job with that. Thanks for having me on. 00:50:15.489 --> 00:50:17.409 It's always great talking to you and hopefully 00:50:17.409 --> 00:50:19.269 we'll see you out here in the East Coast again. 00:50:20.090 --> 00:50:22.849 Yeah, that would be great. I'm looking forward 00:50:22.849 --> 00:50:28.099 to getting away. That is a wrap for this week's 00:50:28.099 --> 00:50:30.960 edition of HamTalk Live. Thanks to my guest Paul 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:35.300 Bork, N1SFE, and everybody out there in cyberspace 00:50:35.300 --> 00:50:38.539 for listening and calling in and typing in and 00:50:38.539 --> 00:50:41.280 invite you back next Thursday night at 9 p .m. 00:50:41.619 --> 00:50:44.420 Eastern Time. For a list of all of our upcoming 00:50:44.420 --> 00:50:48.940 guests, visit HamTalkLive .com. And if you like 00:50:48.940 --> 00:50:51.119 the show, please leave us a review. That helps 00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:54.360 others. find us faster. So for now, this is Neil 00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:59.679 Rapp, WB9VPG, saying 7 -3, 7 -5, have a great 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:23.239 field day and may the good DX be yours. And I 00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:23.739 didn't