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Thanks for tuning in to this episode 00:01:18.060 --> 00:01:21.579 of HamTalk Live. Tonight we're joined by Dr. 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:25.760 Nathaniel Vercell, W2NAF. And we'll take your 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:28.560 calls live in a few minutes. Uh, last week I 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:31.719 had to reschedule the show kind of a last last 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:35.480 minute notice here. Um, we had, uh, Keith KR 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:39.599 seven RK from the 10 10 international net scheduled 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:42.480 for that. And he was gracious enough to, uh, 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:45.859 reschedule that for next Thursday night. Uh, 00:01:45.980 --> 00:01:51.109 but you can listen to episodes anytime at HamTalkLive 00:01:51.109 --> 00:01:55.590 .com or on your favorite podcast app or on YouTube 00:01:55.590 --> 00:01:58.629 and you can catch the rebroadcast of HamTalk 00:01:58.629 --> 00:02:02.489 Live every Saturday afternoon at about 3 30 p 00:02:02.489 --> 00:02:08.810 .m. 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Other features include 00:03:56.259 --> 00:03:58.879 wideband receiver with a guaranteed range of 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:03.759 144 to 148 and 440 to 450 megahertz, VHF on both 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:07.199 sides, UHF on both sides, one on each side and 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:10.740 dual DV mode, integrated GPS, including grid 00:04:10.740 --> 00:04:30.519 square location, a micro Your host, Neil Rapp, 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.300 would tell you a chemistry joke, but he probably 00:04:33.300 --> 00:04:36.779 wouldn't get a reaction. Now, more HamTalk Live! 00:04:51.529 --> 00:04:56.670 Welcome back to HamTalk Live tonight. Dr. Nathaniel 00:04:56.670 --> 00:05:00.430 Frisell, W2NAF, joins us on the Orlando Amateur 00:05:00.430 --> 00:05:04.949 Radio Club and Hamcation Zoom line. Nathaniel 00:05:04.949 --> 00:05:07.870 is an assistant professor at the University of 00:05:07.870 --> 00:05:11.250 Scranton in physics where he teaches digital 00:05:11.250 --> 00:05:14.829 signal processing, fundamental physics, and electromagnetics. 00:05:15.329 --> 00:05:19.050 He is the lead organizer of HamSci, a project 00:05:19.050 --> 00:05:22.540 that explores how amateur radio can help us understand 00:05:22.540 --> 00:05:25.959 more about the physics of the ionosphere. He 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:28.699 completed his PhD in electrical engineering in 00:05:28.699 --> 00:05:33.600 2016 over at Virginia Tech, where he worked at 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:39.899 the super darn HF Radar Lab and was the 2019 00:05:39.899 --> 00:05:44.199 Dayton Hamvention amateur of the year. And he's 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.360 been gracious enough to be with us several times 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:51.970 as things happen and You've got more happening 00:05:51.970 --> 00:05:57.649 again, Nathaniel. I do, Neil. Thank you. So you've 00:05:57.649 --> 00:06:01.550 got another workshop coming up. We'll talk about 00:06:01.550 --> 00:06:05.250 that here in just a second. But first, for those 00:06:05.250 --> 00:06:08.250 who may not be familiar with HamSci or forgot 00:06:08.250 --> 00:06:11.949 what HamSci is all about, won't you just remind 00:06:11.949 --> 00:06:14.509 everybody what it's about and how it all got 00:06:14.509 --> 00:06:19.160 started? Sure, Neil. So HamSci is the Ham Radio 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:23.740 Science Citizen Investigation. And we're a group, 00:06:23.740 --> 00:06:27.600 organization, and a collective of both amateur 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:31.740 radio operators and space scientists. And our 00:06:31.740 --> 00:06:35.879 goal is to both make improved amateur radio and 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:39.399 further ionospheric science by working together. 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.420 And so we try to advance scientific research 00:06:42.420 --> 00:06:44.519 and understanding through amateur radio activities. 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:47.540 We look to encourage the development of new technologies 00:06:47.540 --> 00:06:50.160 to support this research and we look to provide 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:52.839 educational opportunities for the amateur community 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:56.839 and the general public. And so it got started 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:01.740 back when I was in graduate school around 2015. 00:07:01.740 --> 00:07:05.600 I was at Virginia Tech and I saw some other students 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:10.079 who were working on, they were planning on studying 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:16.860 the 2017 solar eclipse. I saw that I said I bet 00:07:16.860 --> 00:07:19.600 we can use amateur radio techniques to do this 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:22.839 as well because I had started working with some 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:26.139 reverse speaking network data and I said I bet 00:07:26.139 --> 00:07:28.899 we can see the eclipse in the reverse speaking 00:07:28.899 --> 00:07:30.980 network data and whispernet data and things like 00:07:30.980 --> 00:07:36.360 that. So we created HamSci, we set the 2017 solar 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:39.500 eclipse QSO party and we're still going today. 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:44.800 Yeah and you've been able to to study some more 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:48.639 phenomenon, and that's pretty cool, and you can 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:53.220 do it all by radio, so that's even better. So 00:07:53.220 --> 00:07:57.540 tell us about these workshops. You've had a few 00:07:57.540 --> 00:08:00.459 of those already, and the next one is coming 00:08:00.459 --> 00:08:04.540 up in March, and it's down in Rocket City, down 00:08:04.540 --> 00:08:09.019 in Huntsville, Alabama, so what's coming up in 00:08:09.019 --> 00:08:12.699 the next workshop? Oh, that's great. Yes, so 00:08:12.699 --> 00:08:15.839 this is going to be the fifth annual HamSci workshop. 00:08:16.139 --> 00:08:18.300 So far we've had two that have been in person. 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:21.459 In the last two years they've been virtual. And 00:08:21.459 --> 00:08:23.540 this year we're going to try to make a hybrid 00:08:23.540 --> 00:08:28.220 workshop. And it's going to be in person at the 00:08:28.220 --> 00:08:31.379 U .S. Space and Rocket Center down in Huntsville, 00:08:31.379 --> 00:08:35.980 Alabama. And we're going to have a theme called 00:08:35.980 --> 00:08:39.820 the weather connection. So a connection of radio 00:08:39.820 --> 00:08:43.340 propagation to both space weather and to terrestrial 00:08:43.340 --> 00:08:46.480 weather. And we're also going to have some presence 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:49.279 from many of the NASA people down there too. 00:08:49.299 --> 00:08:52.460 So we're actually working with many of the physicists 00:08:52.460 --> 00:08:55.340 at the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center to help 00:08:55.340 --> 00:09:01.559 make the workshop a success. I've been able to 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:05.059 meet a couple of those people and one took me 00:09:05.059 --> 00:09:11.129 back to see their lunar observation or lunar 00:09:11.129 --> 00:09:14.450 let's see lunar impact observatories is the name 00:09:14.450 --> 00:09:18.129 of it and And the ham radio shack which which 00:09:18.129 --> 00:09:20.450 which is pretty cool. By the way, if you haven't 00:09:20.450 --> 00:09:23.210 been there Nathaniel, you got to check it out 00:09:23.210 --> 00:09:29.350 and I I understand it's a former Hydrogen explosion 00:09:29.350 --> 00:09:38.820 testing building Wow, it's built like it You 00:09:38.820 --> 00:09:43.840 hide out in there, you're safe. There's some 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:46.879 cool stuff down there and and and you know, you'll 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:49.059 be able to find it really easily because just 00:09:49.059 --> 00:09:52.620 look for the rocket garden You know look up at 00:09:52.620 --> 00:09:54.779 the sky. You'll see this big rocket. That's where 00:09:54.779 --> 00:09:56.919 they're at at the space and rocket center used 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:00.879 to take Classes there for field trips. It's it's 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:04.279 a very cool place and and yeah, there's a lot 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:08.240 of hams You know that work at NASA at NASA's 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:12.850 Marshall Space Flight Center And so I figured 00:10:12.850 --> 00:10:16.629 there was a connection there and some overlap 00:10:16.629 --> 00:10:20.610 of some of the things that they're doing. So 00:10:20.610 --> 00:10:23.009 explain to people how they can attend. So it 00:10:23.009 --> 00:10:25.590 sounds like you can either go down there or you 00:10:25.590 --> 00:10:29.009 can be online. So explain how people can attend 00:10:29.009 --> 00:10:32.690 the workshop this time. All right. So yes, there 00:10:32.690 --> 00:10:36.629 are two options. So both in -person and virtual. 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.340 So either way, what you're going to do is you 00:10:40.340 --> 00:10:44.000 go to HamSci .org, and there's a big banner right 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.679 on the front page there that says HamSci Workshop 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:50.720 2022. You can click on that. And that page will 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:53.720 give you all of the information you need. So 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:56.320 we don't quite have the registration open yet. 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:59.000 That will be opening very soon. But when that 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:02.980 opens, if you want to attend in person, you can 00:11:02.980 --> 00:11:06.779 register through the website. If you're local, 00:11:07.100 --> 00:11:09.779 you can just register. If you're from far away, 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:12.740 you can register and then you can book the hotel. 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:17.720 The hotel is right next to where the workshop 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:22.100 is going to be. So that's one way. And if you 00:11:22.100 --> 00:11:27.059 want to attend virtually, we will have a place 00:11:27.059 --> 00:11:29.980 online where you'll be able to on the website 00:11:29.980 --> 00:11:32.120 as well where you'll be able to enter in your 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:34.340 email address and you'll be able to get a zoom 00:11:34.340 --> 00:11:36.980 link and then on the day of the workshop you'll 00:11:36.980 --> 00:11:39.639 be able to watch all the talks and there will 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:41.500 be some interaction that you'll be able to do 00:11:41.500 --> 00:11:44.279 as well ask questions through the chat similar 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:49.620 to our virtual workshop from last year okay well 00:11:49.620 --> 00:11:53.259 that's uh that's great you're offering both options 00:11:53.259 --> 00:11:55.899 uh and then that's a safe way to make sure that 00:11:55.899 --> 00:12:00.580 it It does go through because, you know, the 00:12:00.580 --> 00:12:04.259 numbers are all crazy right now. Yeah, I have 00:12:04.259 --> 00:12:07.460 to tell you, it is extremely stressful. It is. 00:12:07.620 --> 00:12:09.820 It's extremely stressful trying to plan one of 00:12:09.820 --> 00:12:16.620 these things these days. Yeah, and you know, 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:20.120 even even a month or two ago, it was like, well, 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:23.240 you know, we should be OK as long as we do a 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:26.879 few things and then it all breaks loose again. 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:29.960 So I think it will work out all right. I think 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:31.960 it will work out just fine, though. And I am 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:34.480 I am glad we're doing the hybrid option because, 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:38.559 you know, it will be I am so looking forward 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:42.179 to being in person and. Being able to say hello 00:12:42.179 --> 00:12:44.860 to people and see people face to face and all 00:12:44.860 --> 00:12:47.620 all of that But I do understand that there are 00:12:47.620 --> 00:12:51.919 people who just can't make it You know for whatever 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:54.700 reason and so it is really nice that they'll 00:12:54.700 --> 00:12:57.379 be able to watch and participate that way as 00:12:57.379 --> 00:13:00.340 well Yeah, and I like that you're keeping the 00:13:00.340 --> 00:13:04.379 participation part in that That's not always 00:13:04.379 --> 00:13:07.159 easy to do when you've got both things going 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:10.370 on at once. So that'll That'll be a challenge, 00:13:10.450 --> 00:13:14.009 I'm sure. That's great. Yeah, I've thought a 00:13:14.009 --> 00:13:18.710 lot about how to do that. When we had the virtual 00:13:18.710 --> 00:13:22.049 conference in the past, we've always had people 00:13:22.049 --> 00:13:25.389 designated to watch the Zoom chat and ask the 00:13:25.389 --> 00:13:28.289 questions. So I think what I'll do for the... 00:13:28.299 --> 00:13:31.600 for this hybrid one is I'll actually have students 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:34.879 with me or other volunteers that will be designated 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:37.600 as Zoom monitors and they'll actually be sitting 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.360 in the workshop room watching the Zoom chat and 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:44.120 they'll be able to be the voice of the people 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:48.259 online and ask the questions for them. Yeah, 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:54.399 good plan. I remember taking a class or two online 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:57.940 before online classes were a thing and so they 00:13:57.940 --> 00:14:01.100 just you know threw me up on the on the projector 00:14:01.100 --> 00:14:04.419 screen and and Yeah, I would type to somebody 00:14:04.419 --> 00:14:08.500 in the class and they would say Whatever it was 00:14:08.500 --> 00:14:13.600 that but I needed to say and It worked it worked. 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:17.879 Well, so yeah sounds like a like a good plan 00:14:18.460 --> 00:14:22.480 Well, in addition to having people there and 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:27.480 watch and participate in the workshop, you're 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:32.519 also calling out for presentations and papers 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:36.159 for consideration. So tell us a little bit about 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:40.240 that and the process of doing that. Right. So 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:44.279 one of the very important parts of HamSci is 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:48.620 to get the amateur radio community and the professional 00:14:48.620 --> 00:14:51.740 science community talking to each other and trying 00:14:51.740 --> 00:14:54.279 to share ideas. And one of the ways we do that 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:58.559 is we invite people from both sides, both communities, 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:04.580 to give presentations about research that they've 00:15:04.580 --> 00:15:07.830 done. And so I know there are many amateurs out 00:15:07.830 --> 00:15:11.110 there who do, say, their own propagation research 00:15:11.110 --> 00:15:15.210 or their own research projects. Maybe even their 00:15:15.210 --> 00:15:17.710 own engineering projects that could be used for 00:15:17.710 --> 00:15:22.529 science. And if you have a presentation that 00:15:22.529 --> 00:15:25.049 you are interested in giving at the HamSci workshop, 00:15:25.450 --> 00:15:28.210 again, you can go to HamSci .org. You can click 00:15:28.210 --> 00:15:31.049 on that big meeting banner right on the front 00:15:31.049 --> 00:15:34.740 page there. on the meeting page there's a big 00:15:34.740 --> 00:15:37.360 blue button that says Submit Abstract to HamSci 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:40.259 Workshop. You just click that button and then 00:15:40.259 --> 00:15:44.059 you fill out the information. And if you can 00:15:44.059 --> 00:15:48.820 do that by say like February 1st, then myself 00:15:48.820 --> 00:15:51.320 and our program committee, I have a few people 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:53.919 that I'm working with, we will go through the 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:57.000 abstracts and we will figure out which ones will 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.259 be oral presentations, we'll figure out which 00:16:00.259 --> 00:16:04.460 ones are going to uh... be maybe poster presentations 00:16:04.460 --> 00:16:08.519 and we'll put the whole program together all 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:11.480 right sounds great so again and side dot org 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:13.960 and uh... you know if you've got something to 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:17.340 present wide but since then send in the abstract 00:16:17.340 --> 00:16:21.320 and uh... they'll be intended and i should say 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:24.840 to forum you know for for really good presentations 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:28.340 arm there there is a certain amount of funding 00:16:28.340 --> 00:16:32.789 available to actually bring presenters to come 00:16:32.789 --> 00:16:36.950 in person to Alabama. So if your presentation 00:16:36.950 --> 00:16:41.269 is selected by the committee, we might be able 00:16:41.269 --> 00:16:45.049 to provide flights, hotels, and food for the 00:16:45.049 --> 00:16:49.649 whole workshop. Oh, wow. So even more reason 00:16:49.649 --> 00:16:56.049 to submit your abstract. You can go and not have 00:16:56.049 --> 00:17:04.130 to pay the whole bill. Yeah, we got some NSF 00:17:04.130 --> 00:17:07.009 funding National Science Foundation funding to 00:17:07.009 --> 00:17:10.089 support that and so we are we are using that 00:17:10.089 --> 00:17:13.650 funding to try and Bring in, you know presenters 00:17:13.650 --> 00:17:15.690 from both the science side and from the amateur 00:17:15.690 --> 00:17:20.650 side and and to support that dialogue Yeah, and 00:17:20.650 --> 00:17:23.990 and those NFS NSF grants if you're not in the 00:17:23.990 --> 00:17:29.480 science community like us Those NSF grants are 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:34.039 kind of like the lifeblood of research. Yeah, 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:37.859 they keep things going. They definitely do. So 00:17:37.859 --> 00:17:40.460 that's great that you were able to score another 00:17:40.460 --> 00:17:44.420 one to keep this going. All right. Well, we're 00:17:44.420 --> 00:17:48.799 going to go ahead. Oh, yeah. And I don't know 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:50.460 if we want to talk about now, but we should also 00:17:50.460 --> 00:17:53.339 say that we have some invited speakers, some 00:17:53.339 --> 00:17:56.079 of whom are very well known. uh... more should 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:58.099 be well known to the amateur community so we 00:17:58.099 --> 00:18:01.019 should talk about them as well yeah go right 00:18:01.019 --> 00:18:03.940 ahead let's see let's hear who you have coming 00:18:03.940 --> 00:18:07.660 already so we have we've got three invited speakers 00:18:07.660 --> 00:18:11.500 i do have to say some of them will probably be 00:18:11.500 --> 00:18:14.000 virtual i think some of them will be in person 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.079 but we'll have to see as we get closer but um... 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:20.700 we have thought dr tamitha scov who many of the 00:18:20.700 --> 00:18:22.599 people in this audience i'm sure will be familiar 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:27.279 with She's WX6SWW and she's going to be talking 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.500 about the ionospheric impacts of space weather. 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:38.619 We also have Mr. Jim Bacon G3YLA and he is a 00:18:38.619 --> 00:18:40.980 well -known retired meteorologist from the United 00:18:40.980 --> 00:18:45.200 Kingdom. He was a recent recipient of the Radio 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.180 Society of Great Britain Les Barkley Memorial 00:18:48.180 --> 00:18:51.589 Award and he's going to be talking about influences 00:18:51.589 --> 00:18:54.730 of terrestrial weather on radio propagation in 00:18:54.730 --> 00:18:58.349 the atmosphere. And finally, we have a keynote 00:18:58.349 --> 00:19:01.329 speaker for the banquet on Friday night, Dr. 00:19:01.490 --> 00:19:05.109 Chen Peng Yang. He's a professor up at the University 00:19:05.109 --> 00:19:10.250 of Toronto, and he's actually a science historian. 00:19:10.710 --> 00:19:14.529 And he wrote a book called Probing the Sky with 00:19:14.529 --> 00:19:18.329 the Radio Waves from Wireless Technology to the 00:19:18.329 --> 00:19:21.200 Development of Atmospheric Science. And it's 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:23.400 a very interesting book. I'm reading it right 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:27.920 now. And it really talks about how we learned 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:32.819 about ionospheric propagation and how that all 00:19:32.819 --> 00:19:37.759 turned into this whole field of radio science 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.279 as we know it today. And he includes in his book 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:44.859 the important roles that the amateur radio community 00:19:44.859 --> 00:19:47.460 has played in that development. This is very 00:19:47.460 --> 00:19:51.869 fascinating. Oh, it sounds like some speakers 00:19:51.869 --> 00:19:54.470 that definitely line up with the theme here. 00:19:55.490 --> 00:19:58.130 So, um, sounds like some, some, some great stuff. 00:19:58.299 --> 00:20:00.299 All right, well we're going to take a break here 00:20:00.299 --> 00:20:03.799 for a minute or two. But when we come back, we'll 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:06.220 open up the phone lines and we'll check the tweets 00:20:06.220 --> 00:20:12.839 and comments and all that stuff with Dr. Nathaniel 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:16.599 Frisell, W2NAF, right after this word from Tower 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:22.079 Electronics right here on HamTalk Live. Jerry, 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:25.099 what's up, man? I haven't seen you at SunBucks 00:20:25.099 --> 00:20:27.859 in a while. I used to see you every morning getting 00:20:27.859 --> 00:20:31.619 coffee. What's up? Well, I can't afford Sunbucks 00:20:31.619 --> 00:20:34.680 five days a week anymore. I had to spend my money 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:38.619 on PL259s. You know, those antenna projects I've 00:20:38.619 --> 00:20:41.559 been meaning to do. I had to do them before my 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.140 HOA finds out I have antennas. That's too bad, 00:20:45.339 --> 00:20:47.740 Jerry. I miss seeing you and catching up over 00:20:47.740 --> 00:20:51.180 coffee. You should get your PL259s from Tower 00:20:51.180 --> 00:20:58.200 Electronics. They have great stuff. Jerry, you're 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:02.640 back! Oh, QRM Heterodyne Frappuccino. That's 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:05.380 a good choice. How's it going? Did you get all 00:21:05.380 --> 00:21:08.160 those antennas up before the HOA police showed 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.720 up? Yeah, I got them all done. Thanks for telling 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.579 me about Tower Electronics. Now I can have my 00:21:14.579 --> 00:21:18.410 coffee. I just saved a bunch of money on my PL259s 00:21:18.410 --> 00:21:21.289 by switching to Tower Electronics. Don't get 00:21:21.289 --> 00:21:24.569 caught without PL259s. Visit Tower Electronics 00:21:24.569 --> 00:21:29.089 online at pl -259 .com or at a ham fest near 00:21:29.089 --> 00:21:34.650 you. Or give them a call at 920 -435 -2973. And 00:21:34.650 --> 00:21:36.849 be sure to pick up some power poles, adapters, 00:21:37.109 --> 00:21:41.069 and cables too. Join the conversation. Give us 00:21:41.069 --> 00:21:47.269 a call at 859 -982 -7373. Again, the number to 00:21:47.269 --> 00:21:53.750 call is 859 -982 -7373. Or if you'd rather type 00:21:53.750 --> 00:21:57.529 than talk, tweet us at HamTalk Live. Now, here's 00:21:57.529 --> 00:22:02.549 Neil Rapp with more HamTalk Live. HamTalk Live 00:22:02.549 --> 00:22:05.089 is on your side, with traffic and weather together 00:22:05.089 --> 00:22:20.410 on the 8s. Well, maybe for this show that should 00:22:20.410 --> 00:22:25.710 be space weather on the eight. Welcome back to 00:22:25.710 --> 00:22:31.289 Hamtalk Live. And let's see, what do we have 00:22:31.289 --> 00:22:33.569 here on the tower electronic schedule? We have 00:22:33.569 --> 00:22:38.250 Fort Myers, Florida coming up this weekend, the 00:22:38.250 --> 00:22:42.670 21st and 22nd, January 29th, Arcadia, Florida, 00:22:43.250 --> 00:22:46.269 and then February 11th, 12th and 13th, Orlando, 00:22:46.369 --> 00:22:49.039 Hamcation. Then they'll be in Dalton, Georgia 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:52.720 in Cave City, HamFest, but you can visit them 00:22:52.720 --> 00:23:00.279 online at PL -259 .com. HamTalk Live is on the 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.220 air every Thursday night, 9 p .m. Eastern Time, 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:06.079 right here at HamTalkLive .com, and be sure to 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:08.720 check us out on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:11.759 And before we get back to Nathaniel, it's time 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:14.779 for the Joke of the Week. Now it's time for the 00:23:14.779 --> 00:23:18.039 HamTalk Live Ham Radio Joke of the Week, the 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:20.799 part of the show where Rick tells us a ham radio 00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:23.720 joke. The HamTalk Live Ham Radio Joke of the 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:27.440 Week is brought to you by QRM Labs. Now here's 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:31.720 Rick Garrett in 9GSU with today's HamTalk Live 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:39.079 Joke of the Week. My wife said I was spending 00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:41.660 far too much time inside on the radios and wanted 00:23:41.660 --> 00:23:44.299 me to take up a new hobby. So she thought of 00:23:44.299 --> 00:23:47.319 astronomy and bought me a telescope. I told her 00:23:47.319 --> 00:24:15.789 I'd look into it. Because they make up everything 00:24:15.789 --> 00:24:26.890 so All right, well yeah, it's time for your call 00:24:26.890 --> 00:24:29.910 So get us out of this if you have a question 00:24:29.910 --> 00:24:35.109 for Nathaniel W to NAF give us a call at eight 00:24:35.109 --> 00:24:39.809 five nine nine eight two seventy three seventy 00:24:39.809 --> 00:24:43.809 three again call right now eight five nine nine 00:24:43.809 --> 00:24:46.130 eight two seventy three seventy three you can 00:24:46.130 --> 00:24:49.829 also tweet us at ham talk live and again if you're 00:24:49.829 --> 00:24:52.569 uh... logged into speaker you can type in the 00:24:52.569 --> 00:24:54.549 comments uh... but if you're listening to us 00:24:54.549 --> 00:24:57.809 on w t w w or on the podcast edition uh... you 00:24:57.809 --> 00:25:00.380 won't be able to reach us We're doing this live 00:25:00.380 --> 00:25:04.920 on Thursday night. So let's see, we were just 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.460 talking about, you know, the lifeblood of science, 00:25:08.579 --> 00:25:12.559 the National Science Foundation grants. Let's 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:14.400 talk a little bit about the grant that you had 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:17.200 for the workshop. And then, of course, you got 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:22.279 a big one for your for your research. Yeah, thanks. 00:25:23.179 --> 00:25:28.019 So, yeah, we got almost a $50 ,000 grant for 00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:30.960 the Hamside Workshop and that all goes towards 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:37.980 supporting the facilities and helps to bring 00:25:37.980 --> 00:25:41.680 in speakers. So, as I said, when we get all the 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:44.279 abstracts and we look at those and we try to 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:49.259 pick out some of the best abstracts and we are 00:25:49.259 --> 00:25:53.400 able to use that funding to... Ask those people 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:55.660 to actually come in person and present at the 00:25:55.660 --> 00:25:58.380 hams I workshop and it's worked out really great 00:25:58.380 --> 00:26:04.680 for For the past few years And let's let's talk 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:07.579 a little bit about your ongoing research here 00:26:07.579 --> 00:26:11.720 that you know, because this all ties into Your 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:15.099 normal research day, so talk a little bit about 00:26:15.099 --> 00:26:18.059 that one, too Right. So we've got I have a number 00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:20.970 of different research projects going on The one 00:26:20.970 --> 00:26:23.390 that we've been doing at HamSci for a couple 00:26:23.390 --> 00:26:26.670 of years now is the Personal Space Weather Station. 00:26:27.670 --> 00:26:31.089 And that's a project where we're actually designing 00:26:31.089 --> 00:26:34.529 new instrumentation to measure things that happen 00:26:34.529 --> 00:26:39.230 out in space and how it affects the atmosphere. 00:26:39.769 --> 00:26:42.710 And that project itself has a number of different 00:26:42.710 --> 00:26:46.049 sub -projects to it. So we have one part of the 00:26:46.049 --> 00:26:49.750 project where we're having the TAPR organization 00:26:50.470 --> 00:26:53.890 develop a new software -defined radio that meets 00:26:53.890 --> 00:26:58.289 certain science, certain specifications and requirements 00:26:58.289 --> 00:27:01.690 that are needed for science. We have the Case 00:27:01.690 --> 00:27:05.930 Western Group. They're developing what's a low 00:27:05.930 --> 00:27:08.609 -cost version of the Personal Space Weather Station, 00:27:09.029 --> 00:27:12.029 where they call that the GRAPE. And its job is 00:27:12.029 --> 00:27:16.869 just to monitor WWV and CHU. But it doesn't monitor 00:27:16.869 --> 00:27:19.660 those stations the way you wouldn't listen to 00:27:19.660 --> 00:27:21.859 them with a normal radio, it's actually looking 00:27:21.859 --> 00:27:24.220 for Doppler shifts in the carrier frequency. 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:26.640 We're able to relate that back to changes in 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:32.380 the ionosphere. Then another Tapper project in 00:27:32.380 --> 00:27:34.299 the New Jersey Institute of Technology project 00:27:34.299 --> 00:27:41.220 is developing a ground magnetometer. So measuring 00:27:41.220 --> 00:27:44.420 the Earth's magnetic field is important for radio 00:27:44.420 --> 00:27:46.980 science as well because those changes in the 00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:48.940 earth's magnetic field, they come about because 00:27:48.940 --> 00:27:52.420 there are currents flowing overhead in the ionosphere. 00:27:53.339 --> 00:27:55.920 And many of your listeners have probably heard 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.759 of the KP index. Well, that KP index is actually 00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:02.619 a measurement made from ground magnetometers. 00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:04.759 So that's why we have that in the personal space 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.579 weather station. And then my friend Jonathan 00:28:07.579 --> 00:28:12.529 Rizzo, KC3. EEY, he wants to do a VLF receiver, 00:28:12.670 --> 00:28:15.450 very low frequency, our receiver. So we're putting 00:28:15.450 --> 00:28:18.170 that into the personal space weather station 00:28:18.170 --> 00:28:21.650 as well now too. So we're continuing to work 00:28:21.650 --> 00:28:24.170 on that development. We have a number of prototypes 00:28:24.170 --> 00:28:28.069 of the different instruments running now that 00:28:28.069 --> 00:28:29.730 people have built and they're starting to collect 00:28:29.730 --> 00:28:32.430 data. And so actually at the Hampstead Workshop, 00:28:32.650 --> 00:28:34.569 one of the purposes of the Hampstead Workshop 00:28:34.569 --> 00:28:37.670 is to serve as a team meeting. Or the people 00:28:37.670 --> 00:28:39.910 who do develop the personal space weather station 00:28:39.910 --> 00:28:42.390 So we can expect to see a lot of personal space 00:28:42.390 --> 00:28:44.930 weather station presentations at the hamsite 00:28:44.930 --> 00:28:49.750 workshop Wow, that sounds sounds really cool 00:28:49.750 --> 00:28:52.769 If you have a question, give us a call right 00:28:52.769 --> 00:28:55.630 now eight five nine nine eight two seventy three 00:28:55.630 --> 00:29:00.390 seventy three or tweet us at ham talk live and 00:29:00.390 --> 00:29:03.789 you've Talked about the solar eclipse thing and 00:29:03.789 --> 00:29:06.109 we've got another one of those coming up here, 00:29:06.190 --> 00:29:10.910 you know locally soon And you've had the frequency 00:29:10.910 --> 00:29:14.269 measurement festival you were on with one of 00:29:14.269 --> 00:29:17.829 the students from Case Western Reserve Not long 00:29:17.829 --> 00:29:20.369 ago talking about that. So have you have you 00:29:20.369 --> 00:29:23.670 seen anything out of that yet? And and and what 00:29:23.670 --> 00:29:27.069 are the kinds of things that you're you're? observing 00:29:27.069 --> 00:29:31.369 with this frequency measurement festival idea? 00:29:32.789 --> 00:29:36.490 Well, one of the big things we see with the frequency 00:29:36.490 --> 00:29:40.109 measurement festival is we see these traveling 00:29:40.109 --> 00:29:43.450 ionospheric disturbances all the time. And these 00:29:43.450 --> 00:29:47.250 are like wave -like structures, wave -like variations 00:29:47.250 --> 00:29:51.809 in the Doppler data. And we can pretty much see 00:29:51.809 --> 00:29:55.339 them in almost all the data that we get. So we're 00:29:55.339 --> 00:29:59.279 trying to do that sort of analysis right now. 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:02.460 Now what's interesting about traveling asterisk 00:30:02.460 --> 00:30:05.619 disturbances, why would an amateur radio operator 00:30:05.619 --> 00:30:09.440 care? Well, if you're talking on HF radio and 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.910 you experience QSB, you experience fading. So 00:30:12.910 --> 00:30:15.029 you're talking to someone, they're strong for 00:30:15.029 --> 00:30:17.069 like 15 minutes and then they fade out for another 00:30:17.069 --> 00:30:19.150 15 minutes and they come back. That could be 00:30:19.150 --> 00:30:21.170 a traveling atmospheric disturbance overhead. 00:30:21.609 --> 00:30:26.250 So we can see that in the GRAPE data. These traveling 00:30:26.250 --> 00:30:29.069 atmospheric disturbances, we see them not only 00:30:29.069 --> 00:30:31.269 in the GRAPE data, that personal space weather 00:30:31.269 --> 00:30:36.450 station data, but you can also see them in the 00:30:36.450 --> 00:30:39.349 reverse speaking network and WhisperNet PSK reporter 00:30:39.349 --> 00:30:42.740 data too. You can see these variations in how 00:30:42.740 --> 00:30:47.119 far the communications are able to go on the 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:50.720 HF bands as a function of time. And so I've actually 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:54.059 spent a lot of my time analyzing that data recently 00:30:54.059 --> 00:30:57.359 as well. I have a couple other, both NSF and 00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:01.700 NASA grants to look at that. And I just, I've 00:31:01.700 --> 00:31:05.559 been showing a reverse speaking network PSK reporter 00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:08.940 whispernet event of that at the conferences over 00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:11.660 the past year or so. And I finally just got that 00:31:11.660 --> 00:31:14.599 written up into a manuscript that I submitted 00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.220 out for publication. So hopefully that will go 00:31:18.220 --> 00:31:21.740 through the peer review process soon and we'll 00:31:21.740 --> 00:31:26.619 see some more things from that too. Yeah, that'd 00:31:26.619 --> 00:31:32.619 be great to have another article out there talking 00:31:32.619 --> 00:31:38.430 about ham radio and physics. I'm really impressed 00:31:38.430 --> 00:31:43.289 with the people that you've invited to come to 00:31:43.289 --> 00:31:47.130 Huntsville this year because there's some serious 00:31:47.130 --> 00:31:51.029 science going on there with those people. Just 00:31:51.029 --> 00:31:55.210 sounds like a really great event so Thank you 00:31:55.210 --> 00:31:58.990 best best of luck with it and on all the research 00:31:58.990 --> 00:32:01.950 and we're just so thankful that you're doing 00:32:01.950 --> 00:32:05.990 that and making the connection between science 00:32:05.990 --> 00:32:11.210 and ham radio Nathaniel any any other information 00:32:11.210 --> 00:32:14.789 you want to Give to our listeners here before 00:32:14.789 --> 00:32:18.609 we take off tonight Well, I just would like to 00:32:18.609 --> 00:32:22.160 invite everyone to participate. We have people 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.839 of all different levels. Come join us, people 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.680 who are very new to ham radio and science, to 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.339 people who have lots of experience. It's really 00:32:31.339 --> 00:32:34.519 fun to watch everyone talk together and listen 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:36.619 to each other and learn from each other. I'm 00:32:36.619 --> 00:32:39.640 looking forward to meeting everyone and I hope 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:43.799 that everyone can come join. All right. Well, 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:47.480 thanks so much for taking your time to be on 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:52.349 the program tonight. As always, we'll be talking 00:32:52.349 --> 00:32:56.369 to you about future projects and hope you can 00:32:56.369 --> 00:32:59.549 come back and tell us all about them. I would 00:32:59.549 --> 00:33:03.049 be glad to, Neil. Thank you. All right. That's 00:33:03.049 --> 00:33:07.589 Nathaniel Frisell, W2NAF from the University 00:33:07.589 --> 00:33:12.009 of Scranton. And don't forget the HamSci workshop 00:33:12.009 --> 00:33:15.470 coming up in Huntsville in March. Go to HamSci 00:33:15.470 --> 00:33:19.640 .org. And you can read all about it. And if you've 00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.660 got something to share, make sure you fill out 00:33:22.660 --> 00:33:26.980 that abstract form on there. And maybe you'll 00:33:26.980 --> 00:33:30.799 get some travel assistance there too. So you 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:35.000 can go. All right. Well, that's a wrap for this 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.579 week's edition of ham talk live I'd like to thank 00:33:37.579 --> 00:33:41.180 my guest again. Dr. Nathaniel for cell w2naf 00:33:41.180 --> 00:33:44.240 and everybody out there in cyberspace for listening 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.759 and Invite you back next Thursday night at 9 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:52.720 p .m. Eastern time when Keith Schlottman kr7rk 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:56.079 Will be here to talk about the 1010 international 00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:59.809 net and what's happening on 10 meters? And for 00:33:59.809 --> 00:34:02.349 a list of all of our upcoming guests, just go 00:34:02.349 --> 00:34:06.690 to HamTalkLive .com. So for now, this is Neil 00:34:06.690 --> 00:34:12.309 Rapp, WB9VPG, saying 7 -3, 7 -5, and may the 00:34:12.309 --> 00:34:24.760 good DX be yours. Well you came right back to 00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.860 my secure call Your readability five and strength 00:34:28.860 --> 00:34:33.820 nine You never once mentioned your weather at 00:34:33.820 --> 00:34:39.440 all And I didn't mention mine We talked and talked 00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:43.619 for hours and hours I completely forgot you're 00:34:43.619 --> 00:34:48.239 a ham I don't know your power or the height of 00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:53.219 your tower Frankly I don't give a damn It's 73 00:34:53.219 --> 00:34:58.119 to you and your family I'll be seeing you further 00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:02.679 down the line It's 73 to you and your