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Radio Good evening, everyone. It's time for Ham

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Talk Live episode number 296. It's another Hamvention

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kit building and shopping recorded on May 12.

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2022. I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG. Thanks

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for tuning into this episode of HamTalk Live.

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And in just a little bit, we'll be joined by

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Joe Eisenberg, K0NEB, the kit building editor

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at CQ Magazine. And he'll be telling us what

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Preview here on HamTalk Live. Welcome back to

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HamTalk Live. Tonight, Joe Eisenberg, K -Zero,

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N -E -B, joins us on the Orlando Amateur Radio

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Club and Hamcation Zoom line. Joe is from Lincoln,

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Nebraska, is well known for his kit building

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expertise. Joe is also well known for his picture

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shows of Hamvention. So if you've been following

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the Facebook group, the Dayton Hamvention Fanatics,

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they do these countdowns of of all those picture

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shows so those are pretty cool. He is the long

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time kit building editor at CQ Magazine and often

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makes his presentations and offers kit builds

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at ham fest, conventions, and club meetings.

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Joe is also known at Dayton at least for his

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famous Dr. Seuss hat. So if you're at Dayton

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make sure you are watching for the guy the Dr.

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Seuss hat. Well Joe welcome back to the show

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great to talk to you again and and we'll talk

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a little bit about Dayton and talk a little bit

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about some kids All right, Neil and it's always

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a great time to be with you on ham talk live

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well, I appreciate you your time tonight because

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People that weren't listening before don't know

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this but we just spent I don't know what an hour

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Yeah, at least an hour. Yeah, at least an hour.

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I put together a new desktop computer for the

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show to try to get rid of some of these audio

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glitches, and we had audio glitches. So we spent

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the last hour or so troubleshooting audio glitches,

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but we finally, I think, got it all straightened

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out. So hopefully the new gear here will make

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an improvement to the show. Well, anyway, it's

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almost date and time. I am scurrying around now

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that the semester has ended. I am scurrying around

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trying to make all of my preparations for the

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booth space that Yoda is doing and we're doing

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a collaboration with HamSci. uh... on some some

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booth talk so we're trying to get all that stuff

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ready to go and so you know as as ham vincente

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comes closer we we gotta get prepared and uh...

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you know you always do a great job of capturing

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uh... all the happenings at ham vincente with

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your your slide shows and everything but also

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kinda want to talk a little bit about uh... what

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to do for kit building. And first of all, I know

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there's the four days in May. So tell us a little

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bit about four days in May and how that kit building

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goes right before Hamvention. Well, actually

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it's on Friday Friday afternoon and Because the

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FDIM seminars are all day on Thursday and they

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move the kit building to Friday so that Rex who

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does the kit build would have a chance to actually

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sell some kits of his own in the Vendor night

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which we have on Thursday night there at about

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eight o 'clock And RECS kit this year is a CW

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transmitter that's made out of I think it's TTL

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type logic or something like that. I can't remember.

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It's like four logic chips and somehow he makes

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a CW signal out of it. And so that's what's going

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to be the kit build. I'm not sure if I'll be

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able to make that one. There will be a lot of

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kits for sale especially at vendor night at Four

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Days in May and of course in the flea market

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and all over Hamvention you'll be able to find

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some kits and there's some some real good ones

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like Hobby PCB makes a really nice 50 watt amplifier

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that goes from qrp power levels to 50 watts And

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now they have a automatic antenna tuner module

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that goes in there as well. So there's lots of

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neat kits out there. Now, you know, we mentioned

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the four days in May, that's a kit build. What

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are you doing specifically? You have your kit

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building forum, a session. What's going on with

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you this year? Yeah, I have the kit building

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forum. It's just me this year. And because the

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guy that's usually with me is in charge of FDIM,

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so he's going to be kind of tied up. But what

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I'll be doing is the forum, which will be at

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1145 on Friday morning. Yeah, we schedule it

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so that I only go about an hour and I'll be mentioning

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a lot of kits that will be available or things

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you might want to look for in the flea market,

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which is right nearby. We're in the 4H building,

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which is forms room four, which is kind of over

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by the grandstand. And so it is a little bit

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of a walk over there, but it's air conditioned

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and very comfortable in there. There's exhibitors

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like EAE sales, which is basically right out

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the front door, and they're probably the biggest

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sales of soldering stations, soldering irons,

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solder, desoldering tools, surface mount tools,

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all the kind of stuff that you really want. Yeah,

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that's very convenient, Joe, that you can go

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shopping right after the forum. But I know you've

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got some kits to talk about. But before we get

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into those, what kinds of things should you be

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looking for to do all that shopping? You've got

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kits, but you've got supplies and all these other

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things, accessories. What's on the shopping list

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for the ham this year for kit building? Well,

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if you're a beginner or an experienced kit builder,

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you're going to want to look like at EAE sales

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and a few other places for a good soldering station.

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And you want one that has digital temperature

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control, if you can get that, because that way

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you can more precisely set the temperature. Now,

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there are some good analog ones. There are some

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wellers, and there is the... Edson loaner, which

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is what I have and it is analog but it's very

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precise about it. You want a temperature -controlled,

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not just variable heat, but temperature -controlled

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soldering station and you want to get yourself

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some 6337 solder, rosin core, no clean is the

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best. And there's all sorts of other things like

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wire cutters and strippers, some really good

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quality flush cutters. And you're not going to

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spend more than $6 to $8 for a pair of flush

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cutters and some needle nose pliers, screwdrivers

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and things like that that you're going to want

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to have when you're building a kit. Okay, so

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some great stuff to look for while you're at

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Hamvention. Now let's let's get into some of

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these kits I know you've got a new one that you

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were you're showing me before We started recording

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here that that you're excited about so tell us

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about the cricket okay, the cricket is the fourth

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in a series that the four -state QRP group has

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come out with the 20 meter cricket was asked

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for because 20 meters is a good DX band for QRP

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And this is no exception. It puts out about 8

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tenths of a watt from a single 9 -volt battery

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on it. There are no toroids to wind. They are

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spiral -wound in the circuit board. This particular

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one was redesigned by the developer, NM0S, teamed

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up with NV5F. That's Virginia. And they came

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up with the idea and she helped work out the

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parameters to make this thing work on 20. And

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I've gotten lots of reports on reverse beacon

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network from this one. And it hears quite well.

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As long as you're not near a high power broadcast

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station, you'd be all right. And the straight

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key is part of the kit. It goes right on the

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main circuit board. And all in all, a real fun

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little kit to play with. The lower band ones,

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which are on 30, 40, and 80 meters, put out about

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a solid watt. So the efficiency isn't quite as

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much on 20. But 0 .8 watts is plenty of signal

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when you're talking about QRP. And it comes with

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material to make a socket. So you can interchange

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crystals and put them on different frequencies

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within the CW part of 20 meters. There's another

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kit that is coming out. And by the way, the designer

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of that kit is also NM0S, David Kripe. He is

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the chairman of FDIM this year and this is a

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dummy load kit which is good for working with

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kits like the cricket when you're first testing

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it out. The unique thing about this kit is that

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it's all surface mount resistors and then there's

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four LEDs which are conventional and then a conventional

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diode and a disc capacitor and a BNC connector.

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Now before you get Upset about surface mount

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parts and by the way, this is a dummy load and

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it shows How much power the first LED that lights

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up says a half a watt then there's a 1 watt 2

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watt and 5 watt LED To give you a rough idea

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how much power you're putting out from that little

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QRP kit a Lot of people get really nervous when

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they see that it's got surface mount parts But

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these chip resistors are bigger than eighth watt

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Regular through hole resistors, so they're they're

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plenty big and actually relatively easy to install

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now when I did this one I did it to document

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two different methods of doing surface mount

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and so the five resistors across the front by

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the Diodes I did by putting a tiny dab of solder

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on one of the two pads on each one and then I

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took a tweezers and I brought that resistor right

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up to that one soldered pad and just heat it

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up slightly use the tweezers to make it nice

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and neat and straight and then let the soldering

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iron off let it cool and now you have one side

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soldered and then I soldered the other side and

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then I can go back to the first pad in case there's

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too much or too little solder and I can clean

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that up The other ten I did all at once with

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the heat and solder paste method Where you squirt

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a syringe of solder paste onto the pads and it

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looks awful when you do it I mean it looks pretty

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sloppy and you think well, this is not going

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to work, but it does and so the magic happens

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when you put a heat tool and what you're going

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to use it's not the same thing as a paint stripper

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gun because that'll blow the surface mount parts

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into the next county but these parts are actually

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pretty big so they don't seem to want to move

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as much and the pace does help kind of keep them

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relatively straight but you're never ever going

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to get them exactly straight when you lay them

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down with the tweezers. And they're not hard

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to do, so working with the tweezers is no more

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difficult than working with a needle nose or

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anything else that we do with kit building. And

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so you have the solder paste squirted on and

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kind of near each of these pads, and you say,

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well, that's just too much. The paste is sloppy

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and all over the place. And I'm writing about

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that in an upcoming issue of CQ. And what I do

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is I take this heat tool that's used for melting

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like wax, ink and stuff for scrapbooking and

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you can get those at Michael's or Hobby Lobby.

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And it costs about $20 for the tool. And so you

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heat it up and the very first thing that happens

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is this gray paste gets glossy. then after a

00:17:31.380 --> 00:17:34.880
while it'll start bubbling up and suddenly that

00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:37.740
glossy appearance kind of disappears and it gets

00:17:37.740 --> 00:17:41.119
silvery and it looks like solder but yet it spreads

00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:43.460
out and you think oh it's gonna make a mess and

00:17:43.460 --> 00:17:47.680
then after a while it contracts and it gels right

00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:52.380
to that pad and the magic happens and that magic

00:17:52.380 --> 00:17:58.960
is when it contracts on both sides and that Surface

00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:02.279
mount part these resistors will suddenly straighten

00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:05.500
themselves out and that's because of the surface

00:18:05.500 --> 00:18:09.740
tension of the solder and flux mix and Then you'll

00:18:09.740 --> 00:18:12.839
see it all nice and shiny and you just work the

00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:17.740
heat tool down the row of these Resistors and

00:18:17.740 --> 00:18:19.799
because the adjacent ones are starting to get

00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:23.779
heated up from where you're working It goes pretty

00:18:23.779 --> 00:18:26.779
quick after a while then when you finally got

00:18:26.779 --> 00:18:30.019
the last one you simply lift the tool away and

00:18:30.019 --> 00:18:32.940
you'll see yeah there's flux kind of all over

00:18:32.940 --> 00:18:37.039
but the solder looks real nice and the little

00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:40.880
chip resistors are nice and straight all by themselves

00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.059
and then what I do is I take some 91 % alcohol

00:18:45.059 --> 00:18:47.519
you get the bottles like at Walmart for a couple

00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:52.970
of bucks and a shop cloth or something and I

00:18:52.970 --> 00:18:56.490
put the alcohol on it and then I wipe it clean

00:18:56.490 --> 00:19:00.769
and that lifts up all the flux from this, from

00:19:00.769 --> 00:19:03.809
the solder paste and then you have all of the

00:19:03.809 --> 00:19:06.589
surface mount parts done. Once they're done,

00:19:06.630 --> 00:19:09.650
I put in the four LEDs and they all go the same

00:19:09.650 --> 00:19:12.569
direction. Then I put in the diode, the capacitor

00:19:12.569 --> 00:19:15.490
and then last but not least, the BNC connector.

00:19:15.490 --> 00:19:18.670
Now you have a 50 ohm dummy load and you can

00:19:18.670 --> 00:19:21.720
check it by taking a Ohm meter from the center

00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:24.920
to the outside of the BNC and it comes out exactly

00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:30.779
51 ohms so that's how you put one of these things

00:19:30.779 --> 00:19:33.539
together and For me, of course, I'm a little

00:19:33.539 --> 00:19:37.079
more experienced. It took me more time to photograph

00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:40.009
it under different stages than it did to assemble

00:19:40.009 --> 00:19:45.049
it. But it's really an easy kit and it's probably

00:19:45.049 --> 00:19:48.250
the best introduction to surface mount that you

00:19:48.250 --> 00:19:50.549
could have because these are the largest surface

00:19:50.549 --> 00:19:55.829
mount parts they make. And they go together real

00:19:55.829 --> 00:19:58.589
nicely and it's easy to do. You can use any of

00:19:58.589 --> 00:20:03.410
the methods. Just dab the solder and stick it

00:20:03.410 --> 00:20:06.599
to it. Kind of a thing and then solder the other

00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:09.720
pad method that works fine. It looks just as

00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:16.400
nice and neat so That's that kit there are other

00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:20.140
kits coming down the pike for four states and

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We'll be making announcements on those as they

00:20:23.220 --> 00:20:26.920
come available The other kit that I put together

00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:31.680
this year One of them is in fact one that's in

00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:34.700
progress right now. I'm not done with is the

00:20:34.700 --> 00:20:39.400
SW40 Plus and this is from Midway Electronics

00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:45.019
and he is reproducing the kits from K1SWL, Small

00:20:45.019 --> 00:20:50.359
Wonder Labs and when Small Wonder Labs quit making

00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:54.359
the RockMites and the SW series kits, the RockMites

00:20:54.359 --> 00:21:00.839
went to REX, W1REX and the SW series kits went

00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:04.700
to Midway Electronics. And so I'm putting it

00:21:04.700 --> 00:21:07.700
together and he kind of hews faithfully to the

00:21:07.700 --> 00:21:11.140
original circuit and only made minor changes

00:21:11.140 --> 00:21:13.880
to accommodate parts that are not available anymore.

00:21:15.180 --> 00:21:18.400
And so I'm about halfway done with that kit.

00:21:19.059 --> 00:21:22.119
And so I've written about that in the magazine

00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:25.039
and I'll be finishing that one up shortly. And

00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:29.150
finally, There's one called the Pentek TR35 and

00:21:29.150 --> 00:21:33.730
it's a four band CW transceiver and it has variable

00:21:35.049 --> 00:21:39.589
receive bandwidth, CW narrow and CW wide, and

00:21:39.589 --> 00:21:44.349
then you can go into the SSB mode. It also has

00:21:44.349 --> 00:21:48.509
RIT, and the newer version has a way of activating

00:21:48.509 --> 00:21:52.130
a memory keyer within the thing, and it is all

00:21:52.130 --> 00:21:56.329
digitally synthesized with an OLED display, and

00:21:56.329 --> 00:22:00.470
there's no real menus. It's all knobs and switches.

00:22:00.910 --> 00:22:05.000
It's got a volume control, RF gain control, TX

00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:09.059
power output and a key or speed control mode

00:22:09.059 --> 00:22:15.660
switch It's got a dial lock You can change the

00:22:15.660 --> 00:22:18.180
steps by pushing down on the tuning knob. It

00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:24.079
is an encoder type synthesizer and I Activated

00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:29.140
this doing my first soda expedition and that

00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:34.359
was in conjunction with the uh, forced AQRP annual

00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:37.960
convention in Branson, Missouri in early April.

00:22:38.619 --> 00:22:41.140
So we'll go into that a little bit more if you're

00:22:41.140 --> 00:22:43.900
interested. And, uh, it was quite an adventure.

00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:46.680
I now have a great appreciation for what the

00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:49.140
people do when they activate these mountains.

00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:53.240
Oh, I imagine. Yeah. We'll, uh, we'll definitely

00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:56.940
talk about that and some more kits and, and I

00:22:56.940 --> 00:23:00.880
like the, the, uh, You know the solder magic

00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:04.140
thing, you know ever every radio is is just a

00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:08.299
big Magic box, right? So that's the magic in

00:23:08.299 --> 00:23:11.140
the in the kit Yes, especially when you're just

00:23:11.140 --> 00:23:13.779
heating up a pace and it's solders it for you.

00:23:13.779 --> 00:23:18.059
It's just yeah That's cool. All right. Well,

00:23:18.059 --> 00:23:21.759
we'll talk about The soda bit and we'll talk

00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:24.440
about some more kits when we come back with Joe

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that But before we get back to Joe, it's time

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my habit and they had an opening I took a job

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week with Rick Garrett in nine GSU Tune in again

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next week for another joke from Rick Joe Eisenberg

00:28:33.369 --> 00:28:37.670
k0neb the kit building editor from CQ magazine

00:28:37.670 --> 00:28:41.750
and contributor to ham nation by the way Is with

00:28:41.750 --> 00:28:45.289
us again tonight to talk about some some kit

00:28:45.289 --> 00:28:48.289
building stuff and and you were just mentioning

00:28:48.289 --> 00:28:53.430
You know your first soda activation at the Four

00:28:53.430 --> 00:28:58.890
Days in May convention out in Branson, Missouri.

00:28:59.750 --> 00:29:02.269
So talk a little bit about your experience with

00:29:02.269 --> 00:29:06.329
the Summits on the Air. Well actually it was

00:29:06.329 --> 00:29:12.309
Ozarkon from the four state QRP group and I went

00:29:12.309 --> 00:29:22.809
along with Gary W0MNA and his wife Martha. W0ERI

00:29:22.809 --> 00:29:26.910
and they are working on their mountain goat award

00:29:26.910 --> 00:29:31.230
and that is for activating so many summits and

00:29:31.230 --> 00:29:33.869
they get different points for difficulty and

00:29:33.869 --> 00:29:38.230
things like that. We did two summits, one was

00:29:38.230 --> 00:29:42.569
in Arkansas and it was kind of near Bentonville

00:29:42.569 --> 00:29:45.470
about 10 miles from there and it overlooked Beaver

00:29:45.470 --> 00:29:48.619
Lake. And it was a tough climb. You just drive

00:29:48.619 --> 00:29:51.240
up and pull into a parking lot and string your

00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:55.299
wires in the trees. And it had just a tremendous

00:29:55.299 --> 00:30:01.900
view of the lake. And they were using a Yesu

00:30:01.900 --> 00:30:06.299
897. And so you don't have to go QRP on these

00:30:06.299 --> 00:30:09.880
things, but you'll see in a minute why it helps.

00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:12.900
They were running only about 50 watts and they

00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:19.039
were using a BioNL. battery pack and they were

00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:23.960
on sideband it wasn't you know all on CW and

00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:28.640
he and his wife made several contacts and then

00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.559
they handed it to me and I made several contacts

00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:34.259
so people got credit again for working somebody

00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:39.559
else on the same peak and it's it's just a quick

00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:43.059
hello gotcha kind of a thing. Even the signal

00:30:43.059 --> 00:30:45.839
report is not really necessary, but we do take

00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:54.180
that. And we publish out our peak number, which

00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:58.519
tells them where the summit is, both on the air

00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:04.299
as well as on a soda watch, kind of a spotting

00:31:04.299 --> 00:31:08.869
network. And so people are watching that spotting

00:31:08.869 --> 00:31:11.470
network to see when the activator says, hey,

00:31:11.529 --> 00:31:17.230
I'm here. And so they did that. And then they

00:31:17.230 --> 00:31:20.529
handed it over to me. And I made several contacts,

00:31:20.809 --> 00:31:23.509
including, I think, as far away as France from

00:31:23.509 --> 00:31:28.680
the mountain. And then... They decided to treat

00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:33.000
me to the exact opposite of the easy one. We

00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:38.819
went to Pilot Knob Mountain in Missouri, which

00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:44.220
is kind of southwest of Branson and mostly west.

00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:50.460
And it's about a quarter of a mile hike up. And

00:31:50.460 --> 00:31:53.279
so you park your car basically on the shoulder

00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:57.559
of the road off on a dirt path. Then you walk

00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:02.720
up and it is publicly accessible The closest

00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:06.140
restroom is the porta pot at the street and there's

00:32:06.140 --> 00:32:08.720
a sign saying that this is a conservation area

00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:13.660
and you go up and Going up there. It was kind

00:32:13.660 --> 00:32:16.640
of a rocky trail and the rocks were somewhat

00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:19.400
loose in places So you had to be careful. You

00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:21.319
didn't twist your ankle or anything on the way

00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:25.109
up it will take your breath away not just because

00:32:25.109 --> 00:32:27.950
of the stress of going up but you're also going

00:32:27.950 --> 00:32:31.630
up in altitude and you get to the top and we

00:32:31.630 --> 00:32:33.809
couldn't see anything there's no view because

00:32:33.809 --> 00:32:37.410
it's a forest but that forest means guess what

00:32:37.410 --> 00:32:41.349
we have trees and so we strung up a wire antenna

00:32:41.349 --> 00:32:47.519
again and this time I also worked from the 897,

00:32:47.660 --> 00:32:51.279
but then I plugged in the Pentek TR35 and made

00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.839
a few CW contacts. And what was even more fun

00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:59.980
was looking on my phone at the RBN, the Reverse

00:32:59.980 --> 00:33:02.579
Beacon Network, and seeing reports from both

00:33:02.579 --> 00:33:07.019
coasts with very good signals. And so I was real

00:33:07.019 --> 00:33:11.019
happy with that and knowing that the about five

00:33:11.019 --> 00:33:13.440
or six watts that that radio was putting out

00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:17.240
on 20 was doing quite well. And I was running

00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:21.019
that off of a bio N .O. pack as well. Now, when,

00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:23.779
of course, when you're hiking that far, instead

00:33:23.779 --> 00:33:26.859
of only hiking a short distance from your vehicle,

00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:31.200
what you bring is got to be pretty light. So

00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:33.890
you pretty well. take just the bare minimum of

00:33:33.890 --> 00:33:39.750
what you need to do this. And so I just had a

00:33:39.750 --> 00:33:46.930
little bag that had my radio and the key and

00:33:46.930 --> 00:33:53.130
headset and so forth. And I discovered quickly

00:33:53.130 --> 00:33:57.490
that they were using Bose noise canceling headsets.

00:33:57.509 --> 00:34:00.539
And because there was a high wind, especially

00:34:00.539 --> 00:34:04.799
up there, it was noisy using earbuds, but the

00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:08.199
noise -canceling headsets are wonderful, so I'm

00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:13.960
going to dedicate one to portable HFUs. But summits

00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:17.260
on the air, as like parks on the air, kind of

00:34:17.260 --> 00:34:19.840
work similar, except that summits only require

00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.940
four contacts to be a valid activation, while

00:34:22.940 --> 00:34:27.670
parks requires 10. And parks you can operate

00:34:27.670 --> 00:34:30.369
from your vehicle, while summits you cannot.

00:34:30.550 --> 00:34:33.789
You can't have anything on or near the vehicle.

00:34:34.010 --> 00:34:39.030
You have to hike away from it. And the drive

00:34:39.030 --> 00:34:41.690
up one, yeah, we still walked away from the vehicle,

00:34:41.769 --> 00:34:47.750
but we weren't climbing. And so the neat part

00:34:47.750 --> 00:34:51.230
about it is that it puts your kit radios and

00:34:51.230 --> 00:34:58.699
your regular radios to the test. He used a small

00:34:58.699 --> 00:35:01.659
piece of like six inch piece of PVC pipe with

00:35:01.659 --> 00:35:05.400
a screw eye and some fishing shot or whatever

00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:09.139
in it and he would sling that into a tree and

00:35:09.139 --> 00:35:11.219
would fall down and pull the string and then

00:35:11.219 --> 00:35:14.300
he'd just tie the end insulator to that and that

00:35:14.300 --> 00:35:19.039
ties things up and I think once we used a 40

00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:26.130
-20 dipole and The other one we used a multiband

00:35:26.130 --> 00:35:30.130
and fed and either works really good and they're

00:35:30.130 --> 00:35:34.789
only using RG 174 for the feed line. The loss

00:35:34.789 --> 00:35:40.630
isn't as great as you think on the lower HF bands

00:35:40.630 --> 00:35:45.130
like 40 and 20 that we mostly use and it sure

00:35:45.130 --> 00:35:49.250
saves a lot of weight going up and down that

00:35:49.250 --> 00:35:54.099
hill. So you know when you're doing it where

00:35:54.099 --> 00:35:57.039
you got to hike up the mountain. That was a difficult

00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.039
one. And they told me, they said, well, they

00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.920
picked those so that I would get both experiences.

00:36:02.260 --> 00:36:05.380
And we certainly did. And I got some pictures,

00:36:05.860 --> 00:36:11.199
and those are in the June issue of CQ Magazine.

00:36:11.300 --> 00:36:15.480
You can see me sitting there on a camp stool

00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:21.519
operating the Pentek TR35. And it worked wonderful

00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:27.550
for this. So, I hope to do that again at some

00:36:27.550 --> 00:36:31.650
point. The closest summit to me is about 400

00:36:31.650 --> 00:36:36.110
miles from where I live because I'm in southeastern

00:36:36.110 --> 00:36:39.929
Nebraska where it's pretty well flat. The people

00:36:39.929 --> 00:36:43.230
in Colorado, they do the 14k mountains and things

00:36:43.230 --> 00:36:45.889
like that and other states have a lot of them.

00:36:46.219 --> 00:36:49.960
We do not in Nebraska, so I have to take advantage

00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:52.739
of times when I'm in those kind of areas to do

00:36:52.739 --> 00:36:56.039
that. Probably the closest thing you have to

00:36:56.039 --> 00:37:00.719
a summit in Nebraska is the press box at the

00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.820
University of Nebraska Stadium. That's probably

00:37:04.820 --> 00:37:08.820
your summit. Yeah, that or the top of the state

00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:16.340
capitol. Unfortunately, they don't count, but

00:37:16.340 --> 00:37:20.539
it's very interesting and you learn a lot like

00:37:20.539 --> 00:37:24.820
you can get dehydrated real easily up there and

00:37:24.820 --> 00:37:28.019
you've got to just be prepared to do some hiking.

00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.820
and lighten up your load but make sure you have

00:37:31.820 --> 00:37:34.440
spares of certain things so that when you make

00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:36.239
your way all the way up there that if something

00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.780
fails you can still find a way to get back on

00:37:38.780 --> 00:37:41.980
the air and make it all worthwhile and the chasers

00:37:41.980 --> 00:37:44.820
are out there they're looking for those activators

00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:48.059
and you don't want to go oh my gosh I forgot

00:37:48.059 --> 00:37:52.710
that RF adapter Yep, exactly because it's a long

00:37:52.710 --> 00:37:59.269
way back long ways back to the car and So I have

00:37:59.269 --> 00:38:03.090
different like go boxes and stuff the TR 35 was

00:38:03.090 --> 00:38:11.119
in its own box and I have earbuds and I have

00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:16.119
the power cord adapters and I have antenna adapters

00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:19.000
and things like that. So whatever they throw

00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:24.519
at me, I can plug into and away I go. But Soda

00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:27.360
is a challenge, especially the ones that you

00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:31.139
got to hike up. The drive -ups are pretty pleasant.

00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:34.519
Some are drive and hike. Where you drive up and

00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:37.400
then you got to hike up a hundred yards or something

00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:42.920
but it does vary each one is different and It's

00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:46.800
just a lot of fun to use the soda watch app which

00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:51.599
you can get for Android or iOS or go to the soda

00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:56.599
watch webpage and you can see when people activate

00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:59.760
and then you get on there and and work them make

00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.659
sure you log them and and everybody gets credit,

00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.719
because the activators get credit for how many

00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.460
they make and where they're at and so forth,

00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:16.260
as does the chasers that are sitting there waiting

00:39:16.260 --> 00:39:19.820
to catch soda operators, and it's just a lot

00:39:19.820 --> 00:39:24.599
of fun. Well, sounds like you had a great time

00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:28.840
there and got to try out something new, so that's

00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.920
always cool. Well, Joe, before we go, we said

00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:35.699
we were going to talk a little bit more about

00:39:35.699 --> 00:39:39.679
kits and everything with Hamvention coming up

00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:45.320
here soon. And I didn't mention the Hamvention

00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:50.420
countdown to the slideshows. So you got a plan

00:39:50.420 --> 00:39:55.039
for this year's slideshow? Yes, I do. In the

00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:57.780
past couple of years, I would do two slideshows.

00:39:58.030 --> 00:40:01.610
each kind of with a different theme and a different

00:40:01.610 --> 00:40:05.769
song. This time I'm using a medley of three songs

00:40:05.769 --> 00:40:09.230
that have been already mixed and edited together

00:40:09.230 --> 00:40:14.329
to make a one long slideshow. So it's going to

00:40:14.329 --> 00:40:17.210
take me a while longer before I release it because

00:40:17.210 --> 00:40:19.210
of how long it takes to put all that together.

00:40:19.349 --> 00:40:21.929
The soundtrack is done and actually the first

00:40:21.929 --> 00:40:24.989
minute and 40 seconds is already done as well.

00:40:25.700 --> 00:40:29.199
And what it is, is I'm going to kind of depict

00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:33.400
in the first minute and a half the pandemic and

00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:36.239
one of the things that I did during the pandemic.

00:40:37.019 --> 00:40:41.760
And it'll show things like people getting vaccinated

00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:49.400
and I made clear face shields for our first responders

00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.519
here. I made over 300 of those on the 3D printer.

00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:56.320
And that was a 24 -7 project for about three

00:40:56.320 --> 00:41:02.940
months. And so I wanted to kind of show that

00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:07.639
and then kind of fade into the normal Hamvention

00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:11.519
show, which is another song. Now, the first song,

00:41:11.539 --> 00:41:16.489
I'm using Enya's Only Time. And then I go to

00:41:16.489 --> 00:41:19.210
Hall and Oates, you make my dreams come true,

00:41:19.289 --> 00:41:22.530
which is so appropriate for coming back to Hamvention.

00:41:23.349 --> 00:41:27.929
And then at the end, it fades into staying alive

00:41:27.929 --> 00:41:30.769
by the Bee Gees, which I picked because obviously

00:41:30.769 --> 00:41:33.070
we're staying alive. We're getting through this

00:41:33.070 --> 00:41:36.670
pandemic and we're getting to see each other

00:41:36.670 --> 00:41:41.130
again. So if you're listening to this podcast,

00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:45.340
and you see me in that hat and with that big

00:41:45.340 --> 00:41:48.360
camera with me, I'm going to want a picture of

00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:54.579
you in a disco pose. Now think of Saturday Night

00:41:54.579 --> 00:41:58.920
Fever and John Travolta. That's kind of what

00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:04.340
I want. So by yourself or as a couple or whatever

00:42:04.340 --> 00:42:07.869
or as a group of friends. I'm gonna want people

00:42:07.869 --> 00:42:11.250
in disco poses for the last part of the slideshow

00:42:11.250 --> 00:42:13.849
because it's just gonna be a lot of fun and you're

00:42:13.849 --> 00:42:16.190
gonna get to see a whole lot of people in that

00:42:16.190 --> 00:42:20.550
last segment of the slideshow and So the whole

00:42:20.550 --> 00:42:24.630
thing I'm hoping comes in at about seven to eight

00:42:24.630 --> 00:42:28.059
minutes long. It can be as long as mine To see

00:42:28.059 --> 00:42:31.780
how many people we get posing but I'm guessing

00:42:31.780 --> 00:42:34.400
seven and a half to eight at the most Which is

00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:37.719
about the same as my slideshows when I do two

00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:42.360
of them. So It's it's quite a project I've never

00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.840
done a medley like this for a ham -vention slideshow

00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.900
and I'm really looking forward to it and getting

00:42:48.900 --> 00:42:53.980
lots of smiles and disco poses all put together

00:42:53.980 --> 00:42:58.460
and I just hope that everybody remembers that

00:42:58.460 --> 00:43:01.159
and comes up to me and says are you ready for

00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:04.380
the pose and I'll say you bet and I will aim

00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:07.940
and shoot and I do have a new camera this year

00:43:07.940 --> 00:43:12.659
by the way and so we're hopeful that the improvement

00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:15.500
in photos that people have already seen in the

00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:18.840
magazine will translate to the slideshow as well.

00:43:19.740 --> 00:43:22.440
Alright, so if you see a guy walking around and

00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:26.440
the Dr. Seuss at that's what you do. You do your

00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:31.519
disco pose and get your picture possibly in the

00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:37.139
next big slideshow. So take a look around for

00:43:37.139 --> 00:43:40.199
some kits and of course our friends at Tower

00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:44.559
Electronics will have a lot of the parts and

00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.139
cables and accessories that you need to do all

00:43:47.139 --> 00:43:51.539
that. Yes, definitely. In fact, they're my primary

00:43:51.539 --> 00:43:55.199
source for plugs, jacks, connectors, and especially

00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:58.820
adapters that we need. Things like BNC to SO

00:43:58.820 --> 00:44:02.679
-239 and things like that and SMA and so forth

00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:06.019
for all these kits. Tower electronics is my go

00:44:06.019 --> 00:44:09.699
-to. Well, so make sure you stop by and see them.

00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:13.719
And we have breaking news here. Let me play the

00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:23.300
breaking news music. Because I just found out

00:44:23.300 --> 00:44:29.079
today for sure that Hammy the ham talk live mascot

00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:33.400
will be present At Hamvention this year to get

00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.480
your picture taken with Hammy. Oh That's great.

00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:40.440
I'll get some pictures. We'll have to get Hammy

00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.559
to do a disco pose. There we go. That'll work.

00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.760
So yeah Sounds like it's gonna be around noon

00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:52.679
on Friday and Saturday, so You can look for the

00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.639
big pink pig walking around in the HamTalk Live

00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:59.059
shirt and get your picture taken with Hammy and

00:44:59.059 --> 00:45:02.239
say hello. And we're going to give away some

00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:07.639
t -shirts and some stuff. So just got that verified

00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:11.820
this afternoon. So there we go. Hammy will be

00:45:11.820 --> 00:45:14.960
there too. So you've got your kits, you've got

00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:18.639
your kit building workshop, you've got Joe taking

00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:22.480
disco pictures and what more could you ask for?

00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.320
Well, I'll tell you what. The theme is the reunion.

00:45:27.219 --> 00:45:30.320
And when I thought of staying alive, I also thought

00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:33.599
of my 50th high school reunion is coming up.

00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:36.079
And a lot of people tell me their high school

00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.260
reunions, what do they do? They play disco music.

00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:43.619
Yeah, that's right. And so I thought, well, this

00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:47.199
is really reunion music, and this is going to

00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:52.019
be a lot of fun. So only time you make my dreams

00:45:52.019 --> 00:45:55.440
come true and staying alive is going to be the

00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:58.940
slideshows this year. Well, can't wait to see

00:45:58.940 --> 00:46:02.920
them, Joe. And I can't wait to see you. Just

00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:05.380
about a week and a half here, we'll be headed

00:46:05.380 --> 00:46:08.820
to Dayton. I've got a little shorter drive than

00:46:08.820 --> 00:46:12.980
you do, but we'll see you there, I'm sure. Yeah,

00:46:13.099 --> 00:46:18.659
I'm guessing, yeah, I have. It's about 12 hours.

00:46:19.300 --> 00:46:22.519
Yeah, I think the hour and a half I have beats,

00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:26.000
you know. I think we'll see you there, but that'll

00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:29.440
be good. Well, it'll be great to see you, and

00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.380
thanks for coming on the show and telling us

00:46:31.380 --> 00:46:35.519
about these kits and your soda stuff and all

00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:40.579
that. And we'll see you then. You bet. And once

00:46:40.579 --> 00:46:44.099
again, I want to thank Gary and Martha, WZeroMNA

00:46:44.099 --> 00:46:48.659
and WZeroERI for taking me along on the wonderful

00:46:48.659 --> 00:46:52.960
adventure. All right. Well, thank you for doing

00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:57.199
that as well. And that's a wrap for this edition

00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:00.519
of HamTalk Live. Thanks to my guest, Joe Eisenberg,

00:47:00.579 --> 00:47:03.800
KZeroNEB, and everybody out there in cyberspace

00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:08.010
for listening. And come back next time and we

00:47:08.010 --> 00:47:11.289
will do the live show the night before Hamvention

00:47:11.289 --> 00:47:14.909
on Thursday night. Tune in live. We'll be back

00:47:14.909 --> 00:47:20.489
live again for that. So tune in. Just watch the

00:47:20.489 --> 00:47:23.429
post on Twitter immediately and some of the other

00:47:23.429 --> 00:47:26.650
social media platforms. So be sure to check that

00:47:26.650 --> 00:47:30.019
out Thursday evening. And for all of our upcoming

00:47:30.019 --> 00:47:33.599
guests, just go to HamTalkLive .com and you can

00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.679
see all that information. So for now, this is

00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:41.820
Neil Rapp, a WeBe9 VPG, saying 73, 75, and may

00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:58.409
the good DX be yours. I'll be seeing you further

00:47:58.409 --> 00:47:59.329
down the law.
