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Neil Rapp with more HamTalk Live. Welcome back
to HamTalk Live. Tonight, Bill Stearns in E4RD
joins us on the Orlando Amateur Radio Club and
hamcation Zoom line. Bill is the national jamboree
on the air task force chairman. He lives in Billings,
Montana with his wife and three children and
his life member of the A RL and the president
of the K2 BSA amateur radio association. He's
active in stateside contesting with the big sky
contesters and a sky Warren with Yellowstone
County Aries. And he is a software and systems
engineer, podcaster, and. Generally a nerdy guy.
You can also find him over on the Linux in the
ham shack where he's been a co -host since May
of 2016 and Also work with him on amateur radio
news line from time to time on some radio scouting
stuff So bill good to talk to you again. I think
I've seen you since The last time we talked on
the show Yeah, probably. I believe we ran into
each other at Hamvention. That was the last time.
Yeah. We've had a, we've had a brief, well, not
so brief pause on a lot of things in the last
few years. So, uh, it was good to, good to see
you at, at Dayton, but, um, it's, it's been,
I think, I think it was 2019 was the last time
we had you on. Yeah, it's probably been that
long since we had a lot to talk about. We all
know what the world went through over those few
years and the activity that we're talking about
today, of course, is Jambri on the air and Jambri
on the internet. And it's still continued through
COVID, obviously with a reduced footprint around
the world due to various restrictions and local
restrictions, depending upon where you lived
in the world. you know, you couldn't get a gathering
of people together and stuff like that. So it
really kind of, you know, especially Jamboree
on the air side really kind of, you know, kind
of took a little backseat for a few years. And
we're really hoping to see that pick up. I know
I've gotten a lot of emails kind of leading up
to this next Jamboree, which are Jamboree on
the air, which of course is taking place really,
really soon here in October the 14th through
the 16th. So it's always that, uh, I believe
it's that third weekend. I'm already going to
forget what I'm supposed to say, right? Third
full weekend. October. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, we're
real excited to see, uh, I got, uh, We allow
people to borrow the K2BSA call sign and use
that for their event portable in their areas.
And we've got pretty much everywhere except for
the Northeast. The one, twos, and threes haven't
been taken yet, but we're going to have. a K2BSA
call sign portable everywhere from four through
nine and zero, of course. And then we also have
a KL7 that will be active in Alaska. Plus we'll
have a whole bunch of other stations, because
this is the world's largest digital scout event
taking place on the internet and over the airwaves.
And the jamboree on the air, of course, is not
just a US event. It is a world event. It's organized.
by the World Organization of Scouting Movement.
And they have their own website there for Jamboree
and Jamboree on the Air and Jamboree on the Internet.
And that's that jota .info, J -O -T -A -J -O
-T -I .info. And, of course, that's where you'll
sign in and register your station and your activities
and what you're actually going to be doing during
the Jamboree on the Air event. So definitely
get over there, log in, sign up, sign in, and
they'll also collect your after action reports
for the event. And hopefully we'll get some good
reporting and good numbers out of it this year.
I know as we were just talking before the show
that we haven't been able to generate a good.
after action report for Jamboree on the air since
2019 due to some collection mechanisms and of
course, COVID going on. So hopefully this year
we'll be able to put out a nice report with some
numbers and we'll kind of see where we're at
post pandemic. Yeah, it's interesting to see
how that's going. And I know a lot of the restrictions
even outside of the US are starting to dwindle
and we'll see how that all plays out. But it's
great to hear that you'll have some groups back
on the air again. I know you could do some individuals,
but that's kind of hard to do with a whole crew
of scouts and probably not all of them licensed.
So it'll be great to get them on the air again.
Of course, it's always butted up against school
club roundup, so there'll be plenty of young
people on. that week in October so make sure
you check that out as well but you mentioned
the website there is a registration process so
for anybody out there that's wanting to get involved
with getting scouts on the air what's your recommendation?
Yeah, so definitely register what you're doing.
And we do get this question and talk back every
year about how do I make my Jamboree on the Air
event successful? And if you're just planning
it now, it probably is not going to be. On our
website, the k2bsa .net website, you can find
a whole slew of Jamboree on the Air resources.
from a countdown calendar that provides you sort
of like, you know, month by month, how you should
kind of plan your event. And this is an event
that anybody can participate in. You do not have
to have scouts there to actually participate.
You can participate, you know, fully on your
own as an amateur. You can contact scouts, talk
about your scouting history if you have any,
and just talk about amateur radio and goodwill
like we're supposed to do during the event. But
let's say you do are planning an event where
you're going to have scouts. Of course, you have
to follow all the youth protection guidelines
of too deep leadership and all that other stuff
that is required for the safety of minors. And
how do you make it successful? Well, a lot of
people think if they have a club and we have
a club station and we just set up in a park or
maybe at the clubhouse that that's going to be
successful. We just invite scouts to come to
us. And if they don't show up, we don't know
what we did wrong. But the way you really make
it successful is you go to where the scouts are
going to be. And that's the part of the planning
that we really talk with people about is that
you need to be aware of the local scout calendar,
whether that means your local troop, your local
district, or your local council, depending upon
how big you are, because some councils are, you
know, small in a geographical area, like the
Tampa, Florida area, even though I don't live
there, it just comes to mind. There's multiple,
multiple councils. But in the state of Montana,
there's one council here. So, you know, depending
upon where you're at geographically, the size
of those different structures of the hierarchy
of scouting will be different. So you'll want
to be able to contact whatever group is closest
or local to whatever you're trying to do and
get their calendar. Find out what they're doing
the weekend of the third weekend of October.
Maybe they're at a camperee and they're having
a camp out or maybe they're doing popcorn sales,
which normally happens really close to the same
time, which kind of does interfere with stuff.
But if they're planning on having like an ice
cream social on a big sale weekend, you know,
a lot of times I see that happening and you can
literally put a pop -up ham radio station at
those events, you know, of course talk to them
and get permission and show up. And normally
if you bring the radio to the scouts, it's always
a success, no matter what. That's the key to
having an event work is going to where the scouts
already are. So you can show amateur radio, build
antennas, do all kinds of different activities,
whatever you're planning. We have one group down
in Texas that is telling me they're going to
be launching a balloon with the K2BSA call sign
on it. So I'm kind of excited to see that. So
we have given them permission to do that. And
they're also going to run a station down there
as K2BSA Portable 5 in Houston, Texas. We had
a lot of interest this year out of Texas for
that five call sign. But we do assign it in order
of the reservations coming in. So the earlier
you reserve that K2BSA call sign for your calling
area, the better. And if you're in the calling
areas of one, two, or three, It's still available
for Jamboree on the air and Jamboree on the internet.
Ah, there you go. So if you're out there in New
England, get in there and do it, but you're going
to have to hurry. Yeah. So one thing that they
do with the world registration over there on
the jota .jodi .info site, it's always so hard
to say, they do give you a Jam Puzz ID. And this
has been the same for several years now. And
it's an identifier that other groups are collecting.
And so that's the key to getting the sign -ins
over there and signing up because that registers
you to receive that Jam Puzz ID that others are
collecting. So it's kind of like a little mini
game that's going on during, you know, Jambri
on the air, Jambri on the internet. Because some
groups won't be on the air at all. Some groups
will just be on the internet doing things on,
you know, Minecraft, IRC, Zoom and, you know,
Skype and a whole bunch of other things. and
then other groups will just be solely on the
air. But the one thing that threads them all
together is this little mini game that you can
collect the IDs and then, yeah, if you go over
to the national or the international site, you
can find all that information out on their virtual
camping ground there that they have, and they
have all kinds of information and resources.
uh, for you for those various, uh, items that
they're doing, including promotional information.
If you're looking for logos and stuff like that,
you can find all kinds of stuff there. And, uh,
yeah, yeah. Lots. It's always lots of stuff going
on for Joe to Jody. It's just a huge event. It
is. And you know, it's funny, the more I work
with Yoda, the more I hear about Joda because.
It's like, Oh yeah, we will get the, you know,
we get these scouts on the air and we, we, we
go out and set up and put them on the air. And
I'm like, Oh, that's, that's great. And then,
then once you get them going, then the, then
we'll keep them. Uh, we'll keep them in ham radio.
So it's a, it's a great recruiting thing. It's
a great exposure to get people on the air. And,
and, uh, you know, like, like so many people
say, you know, you never know when, you know,
even if they don't get a. license if they grow
up and end up being president of your HOA that
can't hurt. Yeah. And a lot of people's first
experience, you know, as scouts, uh, with amateur
radio is, is Jamboree on the air. So, uh, I do
find it, uh, fascinating that so many people,
even in the ham radio community that, you know,
just happened to be scouts, you know, they, the
first time they remember being on the air was
at Jamboree on the air. So, and, uh, this is
the, uh, 64th. If I'm doing my math correctly,
I believe they started in 1958. So this has been
going on for quite a while and it's touched a
lot of people's lives over the years. And even
if you're not a scouter, you can still participate
in Jamboree on the air, because you're going
to hear people up there in the general portion
of the bands talking and saying CQ Jota, CQ Jota.
And yeah, don't be afraid to answer them back.
I realize there's some contests going on. I think
there's even a couple of QSO parties that goes
on the same weekend. But yeah, don't be afraid
to work them and give the Scouts a chat and you
can tell them about your ham radio experience.
And that's normally they find that kind of stuff
interesting. It's always a big eye opening and
big smile moment when these Scouts get on the
air. put the microphone in front of them and
say, here, have fun. I have a script, you know,
you might get silly questions like, you know,
what's your favorite color and stuff like that.
But sometimes, yeah, you get somebody that's
interested in it. And then maybe they want to
take that next step and get a license and become
part of the community. So it's always an opportunity
to open up our ham radio community. To the youth
which obviously I mean you're directly involved
in with youth on the air and we all know that
it is a vital vital portion of the survivability
of the hobby Yeah, absolutely and it's it's something
that I found, you know and working with youth
and just in general is Having that script so
that they have something to go off of and and
so, you know You should be prepared to get those
questions like what's your favorite color or
what's your school's mascot or those kinds of
things and maybe even have some questions for
the scouts thought up ahead of time. uh... you
know they like to talk about what they're doing
that school what they're what uh... other curricular
extracurricular things that they're involved
in uh... what uh... maybe what merit badges or
what class they're working on in in scouting
and so those might be some things that you can
kinda prepare to to to ask uh... that they'll
be able to answer a little easier Yeah, absolutely.
And you could kind of get that idea from, again,
the K2BSA website because we have some of those
scripts available for Scouts. It's definitely
in the guidelines for amateur radio operators
and the JOTA guidelines for Scout leaders. You
can find some real good information in both of
those areas on how you can make your event successful,
how to kind of get over the mic fright. We do
this, you know, this is like an annual practice
for a lot of us guys that are in the K -2 BSA
that do the national jamboree where we, you know,
have thousands and thousands of scouts come through
the amateur radio tent and we get them, every
single one of them on the air. And yeah, it's
definitely interesting at scale to see these
demonstration stations and how they work. And
some events are really small, you know, I've
set up in as small as a little canopy here in
town in Billings and, you know, just a little
park and had, you know, dozens of Scouts come
over and that was a lot of fun. And, you know,
your event could have hundreds of Scouts if you
go to a camperee or even, you know, 500 or a
thousand. So, yeah, it all depends on how you
set up and where you set up. how big your event
will be, but the thing is it's just fun. That's
what we always ask our scouts when they come
to the meeting for the first time and ask them
what's the purpose of scouting? It's to have
fun. And that's basically what we want to share
as part of this Jamboree on the Air event as
well, is we want to have fun and use amateur
radio to do it and show people. how to talk on
the radio and, and you know, hey, you could show
them FTA if you want, but I don't think you'll
get a lot of interest in clicking buttons and
stuff like that. So definitely, you know, dust
off the microphone. I know some of you I'm, you
know, crossing me, you know, wiggling, wiggling
my fingers at you. You can plug in the microphone
just this one weekend and, and talk. It's fine.
It won't hurt you either. It's kind of like getting
on a Zoom meeting and turning on your camera.
Exactly. Well, I love the suggestion of going
to the Scouts and not just, you know, oh, hey,
let's go set up a park and we'll, you know, tell
everybody, you know, we're inviting Scouts. That,
you know, some coordination definitely helps.
That's a great suggestion. So, all right. Well,
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on the Air and Jamboree on the Internet 2022
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Week. I think we'd all agree that ham radio is
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for the joke of the week and we're here with
Bill Stearns any for RD with the K to BSA amateur
radio association and the upcoming Jamboree on
the air and Jamboree on the internet, the third
weekend of October. And, and I saw the new patch.
It looks pretty sharp. Tell us about this year's
patch. Yeah. So a national put together the patch,
uh, this year as they have for the last couple
of years. And, uh, yeah, it's, it's a really
nice, uh, um, Sort of like a square with a rounded
edge, one rounded corner. It's a very interesting
shape and has all the symbols that you would
normally see, a microphone, a mouse, an antenna
tower, and a wifi symbol, but that's okay. We
know how ham radio works. We're gonna use that
tower and put some signal up in the air. But
yeah, you can find the patch. It's available
from the Scout Shop. That's scoutshop .org. and
that's the national scout shop for the Scouts
BSA. You can find it if you just search for Jota
2022 emblem. I believe they are running $3 .49
a piece, and they are still in stock, which at
this point, that's pretty much a miracle, because
normally they sell out pretty fast. They just
came out, I believe, about a month ago. So availability
was a was then so yeah, if you want some patches
for your group and you haven't ordered them yet
So go right in and and order those patches because
yeah, they do look sharp this year Yeah, they
kind of look like Missouri So there you go. So,
uh, so, so bill, I'm going to, I'm going to get
my, my scout group on the air and I'm going to
get on 14 .2 90, right? Oh, no, not 14 to 90.
Well, I kind of said 7 ,200, but there is the
myth and I call it the myth because I don't know,
we've published it so many times that yes, there
are the world organization for scout movement.
calling frequencies. And as we all know, as amateurs
with the two meter calling frequency, it means
you don't necessarily have to be on it, but you
can establish your communication and move off
of it. But what we do is we recommend that you
kind of start in the general portion of the band,
and that's where you move your nice big dial
in front of that beautiful rig that you're going
to show to the scouts here. Yeah, 14290, you're
going to have some stations probably hammering
each other, calling a CQ Jota on top of each
other. So I highly recommend that you, you know,
move the dial. That's what the dial is made for.
You just kind of just jog it off to the right,
you know, even just do a quick little spin and,
you know, put yourself up there, you know, you
know, in the 300 range, the 320 to 340 is a really
good range too, especially for low power and
portable operations and stuff like that. So don't
be afraid to kind of tune around and look for
a clear spot and just call CQ. That's the best
way to do it. If you stay on 290, you will run
into some QRM from other groups that are possibly
having some inexperienced hams on HF. It's not
uncommon. We do a lot of training every year
for every four years for the National Jamboree
to get our HF operators up to speed on how to
kind of really control the frequency and stuff
like that. But when it comes to Jamboree on the
air, all bets are off because you're going to
have every skill level of HF operator out there,
especially in the HF areas. Now there are some
other alternatives besides HF. A lot of people
just get on EchoLink. EchoLink's a great option
to try out if you still want to do voice. And
obviously you can do that with the internet.
So you don't even need RF, but you could go RF
and connect up to the conference node called
star JOTA -365 star. So that's the conference
node. I don't have the number, but everybody
looks it up by name anyways. So yeah, it's JOTA
-365. You can find that available. And normally
that's a lot of people who would connect from
all over the world on that. But you do have to
take your turn when you're on that. Another option
is over on D -Star, Reflector 033A. So Reflector
033A is a very popular radio scouting D -Star
reflector. We have had lots of success using
that over the years. Let's see, what else we
have? There's many talk groups over on the DMR
Brandmeister. I don't know. I don't know many
of them offhand thinking like 907 comes to mind.
So there are some talk groups over there. You
can search it up, I believe, through the through
the website for Brandmeister. You can just search
for Jota and you'll probably find a bunch of
them there. A lot of people have been having
some success using that because there's just
obviously so many people participating in that.
Let's see, what else? Think about using some
modes where if you want to do digital, and we
do get the people that want to do digital. You
remember this thing called BPSK? Back when we
used to just type and hit the transmit button,
or maybe even ready. I've worked a few BPSK 31.
during Jota and have had some really fun conversations,
just typing conversations. I don't really recommend
it, but if you want to try it, it is kind of
nostalgic now because hardly anybody is on there.
So it might be something interesting to show
if you wanted to show live typing as opposed
to FT8. I mean, you can always show FT8 as kind
of like an ancillary thing. A lot of people get
kicks out of the mapping thing, the grid tracker
and stuff like that, all the bells and whistles
and stuff like that. I think it's mostly us as
ham radio people, we like that stuff. The kids
probably don't really get it so much. Not going
to carry on much of a conversation there. Yeah,
exactly. So, and, you know, if you do get on
HF and you're working some DX and let's hope
that these band conditions improve and we're
not totally wiped out by solar storms or stuff
like that, you know, have a conversation with
them, you know, and they say, oh, you know, you
talk to, you know, Europe or something like that.
Well, I can do that on my phone. You know, what
I always tell them to do is, you know, Put your
phone in airplane mode and try to do it. Because
you can't do it without the trillions of dollars
of infrastructure between you and Europe. But
like that little piece of wire, that vertical
antenna that somebody has here on your station
is doing it without anything else in between.
It's the magic of ham radio and the magic of
wireless communications. And that's what we're
showing. Well, absolutely. Well said. And if
you're on HF, you don't Have to be even on 20
meters. Oh, yeah, there's all kinds of bands.
You just press the band button up and down. It's
amazing. It works. It works. It does. This up
-down band thing. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. What about,
okay, I got to ask because, you know, my latest
mode is satellite. Any satellite activity? Well,
there normally is, you know, you know how satellites
work. It is a little bit faster pace. So it's
not really an appropriate area for maybe a scout
to actually make the contact, but it's a great
demonstration. I've seen, you know, handheld,
you know, satellite operations kind of go through
just watching going through the motions. um and
discussing exactly how this whole process works
with the you know the satellite is is normally
tumbling and that's what causes a lot of the
the the warbliness of the signal and then you
also have the the Doppler shifting you can talk
about how the frequency changes as it's you know
down low and then moves across and you know it's
always kind of cool to show that you know handheld
arrow or elk antenna or whatever you're using
and maybe you have somebody demoing and holding
the antenna and just pointing at the bird as
it flies by. I think it's such a cool thing to
watch, but it's not necessarily a cool thing
to participate in, unless you're a radio guy.
It's not real interactive with that, getting
the scales on the air and maybe the repeater
ones, you could probably get away with it because
there's not as much that the user has to do.
We're like the linear birds are more, you know,
temperamental, even though we have all kinds
of software and everything else to do all that
stuff these days. I just, I don't think it's
a great, you know, this is my only mode of satellite
mode. It wouldn't be my go -to, but it's a beautiful
thing to demonstrate. Same thing with balloons
and amateur radio direction finding. It's a great
opportunity to build some antennas. There's just
so many activities you can kind of rope into
it. Think about keeping it simple and making
sure that you can actually deliver on everything
that you put together. Because sometimes you
just don't have enough volunteers to do everything.
That's generally the case when you're planning
events. You really have to staff up and have
people around to do all these wonderful things
that you want to do. But yeah, just do what you
can do and execute and have fun. All right, so
it's J -O -T -A J -O -T -I dot info and that's
coming up October 14 15 and 16 on a radio and
a Wifi node near you. So make sure you check
out the Wifi, right? Yeah, plenty of Wifis. You
know, it's 2 .4 and 5 gigahertz. That counts.
Yeah, it does. All right. And the patches are
there. So if you want those, order soon. Uh,
don't forget registration, um, is on, uh, Joda
Jodi dot info. And, um, you know, I know we,
we talked a little bit before the show, you know,
getting those numbers are, uh, have been a little
tricky with the, um, with, uh, COVID and, uh,
not having everybody together. Uh, but, uh, You
know if people can register on there at least
you're gonna get some kind of feedback for this
year Yeah, and generally you can they normally
have a list of Participants and stuff like that
so you can kind of search through with with some
success It's more geared towards international
community so for us us people that you know care
about city and everything else and Location it's
not terribly useful for that Maybe next year
we'll get back to doing the local registration
on that and then maybe partnering again with
our good friends at ICOM America to give out
a handheld for some lucky after action report.
reporter. So not this year. Sorry. Sorry. You
didn't, uh, didn't put everything together to
do that this year, but, uh, definitely participate.
Definitely. Uh, as soon as you register on the
Joda Jodi info site, they're gonna, they'll send
you an email. They'll also send you your jam
puzzle ID, and then they'll follow up after the
event with, uh, an after action report. So you
can report back and also feel free to, uh, email
us at ktubsa .net. Uh, you can email us at info.
info at ktbsa .net and we'll take your report
and we'll get it up and available for people.
If you want to share pictures and what you had
for success, we would love that information.
But don't expect an end of action report from
us specifically this year. I'm going to shoot
for that next year. But yeah, definitely participate
and have fun. All right. That's the big thing
is have fun. So Get on the air, work some of
these scouts. If you get a chance to put something
together with the scouts, it'd be great to get
them on the air, but they need people to talk
to just like everybody else. get on the air and
give them a call. Well, Bill, thanks so much
for being on the show today. Appreciate it. And
it's great to talk to you again about this and
looking forward to a lot of activity here in
just a couple of weeks. Yeah, great talking to
you again. And thanks for having me. That is
a wrap for this edition of HamTalk Live. Thanks
to my guest Bill Stearns, N -E -4 -R -D, and
everybody out there in cyberspace for listening
and invite you back next time. For a list of
all of our upcoming guests, visit HamTalkLive
.com. So for now, this is Neil Rapp, WB9VPG,
saying 7 -3, 7 -5, and may the good DX be yours.
To you and your family I'll be seeing you further
down the law You're 73's To you and your family
I'll be seeing you further down the law