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it's time for HamTalk Live. It's episode number

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315, CW with CICR, recorded on Thursday, April

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6th, 2023. I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG.

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Thanks for tuning into this episode of HamTalk

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Live. Tonight, we're joined by Glenn Norman,

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W4YES, and Terry Beard, KO4WFP. to talk about

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a new way to learn how to learn CW. Last episode,

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to HamTalk Live with Neil Rapp. And welcome back

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to HamTalk Live. Tonight, Glenn Norman, W4YES

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from Decatur, Alabama, and Terry Beard, KO4WFP

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from Savannah, Georgia. Join us on the Orlando

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Amateur Radio Club and Hamcation Zoom line after

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six years of teaching CW in August of 2020. 2022,

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Glenn Norman, W4YES, began compiling an entirely

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independent CW course called the Comprehensive

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Instant Character Recognition Course or Comprehensive

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ICR course or even better just CICR and CICR

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is offered free of charge to all and Terri Beard,

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K -O for WFP, is a recent graduate of the pilot

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CICR course and is here to talk about it from

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the student's perspective. So Glenn and Terri,

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thank you for coming on the show and welcome

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to HamTalk Live. Thank you, Neil. It's good to

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be here. It's an honor. Thank you. Thank you,

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Neil. All right. Well, Glenn, let's talk a little

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bit about What is this CICR? I get this email

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in my box from Karen Eve Murray, KD2GUT, our

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editor over at Amateur Radio Newsline, and she

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says, you really need to talk to Glen about this,

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because this is a really cool CW thing. And I

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know she's just been getting into CW recently.

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So tell us a little bit about what this is, because

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a lot of people have not heard of this. Okay,

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very good. Thank you so much, Neil. That's a

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mouthful, a comprehensive, instant character

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recognition course. So yeah, CICR, it is, you

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know, after doing this for a number of years,

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I realized that typically what we do in CW courses

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is we learn and we learn and learn and learn

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with the end goal of getting on the air. So what

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I did is I took that model and flipped it upside

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down and said, if you're on the air, I don't

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care if you're sending three DITs and your buddy's

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sending three DOS, okay? There's no minimum requirement.

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But if you have the ability to get on the air

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and you are willing to do it, and you wish to

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get better and improve, then come on on board.

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And so basically we're not teaching the code.

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In other words, these are people who already

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know the code, but our slogan is learning how

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to learn Morse code. That's really important

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because along the way, I think, at least in some

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cases, maybe we practice, but we're not really

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sure how we're supposed to practice or train.

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And so what we're doing here is really focusing

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on learning how to learn the code and applying

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that on the air. So instead of learning with

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that goal in mind, we start off with that, and

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then as a person learns, they can immediately

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apply that to their own air experience. So counting

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the number of Dits and Dawes for each letter

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Probably isn't going to get your code speed up

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is what you're saying Well, it depends on what

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you mean, right? If you're doing it one word

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a minute, you probably get to two. But yeah,

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yeah Because I can I can first have firsthand

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knowledge of that I memorized Dits and Dawes

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when I learned it and And that's something that's

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held me back Well, it's what everyone has to

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do, right? In order to learn this, you really

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have to learn it at that level. But at some point,

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you reach what some people call a plateau, but

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it's really just that mechanism you're using

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to copy the code has simply expired. You simply

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can't get past that point because the brain just

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can't process those dits and dogs fast enough

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to get beyond that point. And so what we do is

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we, the smallest The smallest element of sound

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that we use in this class is a character. So

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we get the character speed up to 30 plus words

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per minute. Now we're not copying 30 plus words

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per minute, but we're listening to the code with

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a character speed of 30 plus words per minute.

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So it will sound like a single unit of sound.

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So we're kind of bending the brain away from

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the dits and does. over to that area where a

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did -da -da -da is an F, right? It doesn't decode

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to an F, it is an F. I had a student one time

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ask a question, in class, he goes, what's a question

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mark? And before I could answer, another student

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said, it's a did -da -da -da, did it? And the

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student who answered said, it sounds like a question

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mark. I said, yes, yes, that's exactly right.

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It sounds like a question mark. Now, what we're

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going, our goal now is for every character to

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sound like itself. And so as you're copying is

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less about this and does and that's about the

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sound of the characters is just as if someone

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speaking letters to you. And i would make the

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analogy of of of learning a foreign language

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for you know i learned spanish. And so I would

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think, okay, I hear this word, this is what this

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word is in English, and now I associate that.

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And if you can skip that middle part, you're

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going to be much more fluent in that language.

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And CW is a language. You're trying to skip that

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part to where you know exactly what that is,

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not have to decode it and then figure out what

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that is. Right, that's an extra step, you're

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right. We're trying to eliminate the steps between

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the code coming into your ears and you understanding

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what that was. And what we're focusing on, Neil,

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is to copy words from the beginning to the end.

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That may sound kind of sort of intuitive, but

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oftentimes we'll hear, as we're copying the code,

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we get to the end and we go, okay, I know that

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word ended in an E and there was an S in there

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somewhere. I copied every character, but I don't

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have any idea what it said. So instead, if you

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hear H and you think, okay, it starts with an

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H, O, okay, that's U, this could be house or

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Houston or something, S, okay, E, and then the

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word stops. At that split second, you have now

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copied that word because you have to have copied

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that word at the end immediately because guess

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what's about to happen? The next word is coming

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right after. So you can't wait until the end

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to try to look back and put the pieces together.

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It's too late. So that's really what we're focusing

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on. We don't have Pat Sajak around to get us

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a deal of fortune and figure out the letters,

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right? That's a little slow. Yeah, yeah, that's

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a little slow. Well, We'll get into the depth

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of this a little bit more, but if this sounds

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interesting to someone, how do they sign up and

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how do they attend this course? It's not dot

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com, it's dot net. Or you can just use my website,

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dot com, W4YES, my call sign, W4YES .com. We'll

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redirect you to the website. There's an application

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form there. You fill out the application form

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and we automatically get the results for the

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application form. You'll get a verification that

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it was received. What we do is we actually interview

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people for their readiness for the course. and

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it has worked out well because there's some who

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are ready and some who might not be, but maybe

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they're not quite ready yet and we can give them

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ideas about how to prepare for the next time

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around to get to be accepted. So that's the process,

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the website, cwinnovations .net, sign up on the

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application form and we'll take it from there.

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And as we said at the beginning, it is... Free

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of charge, so the price is right on that one.

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It's free. So why are you doing this? Why do

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this and not just copy some bulletins or something?

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Well, okay. This is going to sound a really weird

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deal. We don't copy or send code in the class.

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Okay, let's have that kind of sink in for a second.

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That has to kind of sink in for a second. We

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don't copy or send code in the classroom. And

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as odd as that might sound, think about a standard

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classroom slash homework, other kinds of classes.

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You learn the subject in the classroom and you

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do your homework on your own. So the students

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are expected to do their training and their on

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-air exercises themselves. Because everyone learns

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a bit differently, and we want to have a closed

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group that is a, we lock arms. The whole understanding

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behind this group is we are not going to criticize,

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there's no judgment, this is a comfortable, safe

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place for us to be. If you're having struggles,

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we want you to speak up. If you're having victories,

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we will applaud. This is a really fundamental

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piece of this. And what that does by not sending

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or copying code in the class is we can have people

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that are at 12 words a minute, we can have people

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at 15, we can have people at 20, because it's

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all the same set of tools to get from one point

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to the next. There is no variety of... Once you

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have this bag of tricks, this bag of tools, then

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you don't really need... Ain't another class

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to get faster. You have all the tools you need.

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So it opens this group up to the ubiquitous tent

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that says, it doesn't matter where you are or

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what your goals are. We're not going to get in

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there and start sending and copying code because

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I've been in that situation. I was usually the

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caboose. Okay. And I know what that feels like

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to be the, you know, the one that says, well,

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everybody else copied that, but I didn't. And

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that's not a fun place to be. We're not exposing

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anyone to that. And we don't really need to,

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because this is not where we practice. Imagine

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going into a calculus class, for instance, and

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the professor says, we're going to do the problems

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at the back of the chapter during the classroom.

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Like, well, wait a minute, when do I learn the

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subject? When do you teach me how to learn this?

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Well, that's what we are doing. And so far it

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has worked out very well. And everyone has the

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ability to find the best way that they learn

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on their own. They come back into the group,

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they describe maybe some struggles, they get

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some ideas from other people in their class,

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and we just lock arms and come alongside each

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other and share our experience. And it is a tremendous...

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tremendous camaraderie experience that we share.

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And what comes out the other side is usually

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a lot of really good friends that have experienced

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something unique. Well, speaking of friends,

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we have Terry Beard, K04WFP, also with us tonight.

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And Terry, you were the guinea pig. You were

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one of the first ones to go through this. So

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tell us what you experienced in CICR. The CICR

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class is a wonderful experience. In fact, we

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were talking about Karen. Karen, Katie2GUT is

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my code buddy, and I've gotten to know her very

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well through the class. I started the class at

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about 10 to 12 words per minute, and I would

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agree with things I've heard of. The people I

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was kind of stuck at that speed. And this class

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enabled me to go to 15 to 17. That's about where

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I'm hovering right now. I began doing head copy

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through this class. And I actually had copy here

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and there on the air when there. And as Glenn

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said, I don't need any more CW classes. I don't

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go to any more sending classes. I have all the

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tools I need to take myself to the next step.

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And the camaraderie, I would say, as well, the

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friendships that I have formed. In fact, there

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are six or seven of us who believe in this so

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much that we've actually signed on to continue

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to help be facilitators, to help team members,

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new students that are coming along. So it's a

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wonderful experience. And I encourage anyone

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who says. You know, I'd really like to do a little

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bit better in this. I'd like to excel at CW.

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I'd like to rag to, or I'd like to make whatever

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my goal is. Well, apply and see what the magic

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is all about. It's always practice. It comes

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down to practice and knowing how to practice.

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And that's what I think is really cool about

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this is It really digs down into knowing what

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to go practice and then you go practice it. You've

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said already that you're seeing instant results

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with your code speed going up and I'm sure as

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you practice more and work on that more that

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it will continue to go up. I'll jump in here

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for just a second, Neil. One of the things that

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I'm undertaking is I'm actually pursuing the

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Marathon Award for SKCC, the Strait Key Century

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Club. And that's a huge undertaking for those

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who are not familiar with the Strait Key Century

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Club. They have what's called the Marathon Award.

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It is 100 QSOs, each with a unique op. And each

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of those has to be at least 60 minutes of code.

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And I know there's people who go, oh my word,

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you would do that. It's an amazing journey, and

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this class enabled me to do that. My first marathon

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was with another class member, and that was back

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in October when the class started. And over time,

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as I gained in ICER, I gained in proficiency,

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my ability to do the marathons has definitely

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progressed. It's just a wonderful class, and

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it's given me the tools to be able to accomplish

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the goals that I want. And I'm not sure I would

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be as far along with the marathons if I had not

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taken this course. I'm up to 58 now. I'm a little

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over halfway at this point. Good job. Good job.

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By the way, real quick, Neil, we've had two speakers.

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It works well, Glenn. Well, thank you. We've

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had two people already in the class who have

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achieved the marathon award, the SKCC marathon

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award while they were taking the class. That

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hopefully says something and we just have fun.

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The main ingredient in all of this is to have

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fun. And if you're not having fun, then why are

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you here, right? So we do yuck it up, we laugh,

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but it turns into a lot of good friends that

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are just... First of all, laugh at yourself,

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right? When you get it wrong, laugh at yourself

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and then laugh with others and just have a good

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time. And we're not going to do this, we're not

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going to have fun because that is the main ingredient.

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Yep. That's a great way to... to inspire more

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learning is to have fun with it. And that's a

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great, great idea. You said something about practice

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real quick. Just real quick. I had an instructor

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on a completely different course. It wasn't even

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a CW course. But I remember saying the words,

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practice makes perfect, right? And the instructor

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said, no, perfect practice makes perfect. And

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what he was really saying was, you can practice

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wrong and never get where you want to go. But

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let me show you how to do this well and practice

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the correct way and you'll really achieve your

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goals. And so that's really an important piece

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of this. Absolutely. Couldn't say it better myself.

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Well, we're going to take a break right now and

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when we come back with Glenn and Terry, we're

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going to dig in a little bit more into the depths

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of the CICR course. and we'll learn more about

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it right after this word from tower electronics

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i haven't seen you at sunbucks in a while i used

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to see you every morning getting coffee what's

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up well i can't afford sunbucks five days a week

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anymore i had to spend my money on pl 259s you

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know those antenna projects i've been meaning

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to do I had to do them before my HOA finds out

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I have antennas. That's too bad, Jerry. I miss

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seeing you and catching up over coffee. You should

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Ham Talk Live Ham Radio Joke of the Week, the

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part of the show where Rick tells us a ham radio

00:27:30.230 --> 00:27:33.130
joke. The Ham Talk Live Ham Radio Joke of the

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Week is brought to you by QRM Labs. Now here's

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Rick Garrett in 9 GSU with today's Ham Talk Live

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Joke of the Week. My buddy and I were coming

00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:50.940
back from a parks on the air activation. It was

00:27:50.940 --> 00:27:53.380
late at night. We were exhausted and needed some

00:27:53.380 --> 00:27:56.059
caffeine So we stopped by a 24 -hour minimart

00:27:56.059 --> 00:27:58.599
to get some coffee and just as we pulled up they

00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:00.859
were locking the doors I said the sign on the

00:28:00.859 --> 00:28:03.559
door says open 24 hours and the clerk said yeah,

00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:07.480
but it doesn't say in a row This has been the

00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.559
ham talk live ham radio joke of the week with

00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:14.279
Rick Garrett in nine GSU Tune in again next week

00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:20.950
for another joke from Rick And we're back here

00:28:20.950 --> 00:28:26.589
with Glenn Norman W4YES and Terry Beard KO4WFP

00:28:26.589 --> 00:28:31.829
We're talking about the CICR course the comprehensive

00:28:31.829 --> 00:28:36.910
instant character recognition course for CW and

00:28:36.910 --> 00:28:41.589
it's for CW operators to improve speed and efficiency

00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:46.359
uh... once you have learned the actual characters

00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:48.579
and so we're going to talk a little bit more

00:28:48.579 --> 00:28:51.460
about some of the components of the class so

00:28:51.460 --> 00:28:53.900
glenn tell us a little more about the different

00:28:53.900 --> 00:28:58.980
parts of this class what makes it CICR okay thank

00:28:58.980 --> 00:29:02.980
you Neil first of all Well, having gone through

00:29:02.980 --> 00:29:08.720
this before in the opposite direction, I found

00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:12.220
a propensity oftentimes of someone jumping ahead

00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:14.259
and thinking, oh, I don't need the character

00:29:14.259 --> 00:29:16.779
recognition sorts of things. I know the characters

00:29:16.779 --> 00:29:20.240
and they sort of just leap over that piece. So

00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.460
I've modularized the class. So there's nine modules.

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When you begin the class, you are allowed You

00:29:28.029 --> 00:29:30.569
have the privilege of seeing Module 1, and then

00:29:30.569 --> 00:29:33.009
when you progress we go to Module 2 as a group,

00:29:33.490 --> 00:29:37.009
then Module 3. In other words, we focus on pieces

00:29:37.009 --> 00:29:39.710
of this. You don't have access to the material

00:29:39.710 --> 00:29:42.410
afterwards. So this is the modularization and

00:29:42.410 --> 00:29:46.450
the reason why it's done that way. To give you

00:29:46.450 --> 00:29:48.690
some idea, the modules are composed of things

00:29:48.690 --> 00:29:50.809
like what I call thought sending or head sending,

00:29:51.029 --> 00:29:53.589
which means you're not looking at a piece of

00:29:53.589 --> 00:29:55.509
paper or sending what's on that paper, but you're

00:29:55.509 --> 00:29:58.009
really thinking about what you're sending. Close

00:29:58.009 --> 00:30:00.250
your eyes and just have a conversation with yourself,

00:30:00.390 --> 00:30:02.769
sort of like a rag chew. By the way, we're not

00:30:02.769 --> 00:30:04.509
looking to make rag chewers out of everyone.

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The idea behind this is when we get to module

00:30:07.910 --> 00:30:10.289
three, for instance, is the instant character

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recognition component. And this is the hub of

00:30:13.410 --> 00:30:15.890
the wheel. Everything, this is like pouring the

00:30:15.890 --> 00:30:18.670
foundation of the house. This is what everything

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rests upon, is the instant character recognition

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piece. And you think about spoken letters, for

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instance, like the letter W. If I say W, you

00:30:28.529 --> 00:30:30.190
don't really think about all the things that

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I just did with my vocal cords, tongue, teeth

00:30:33.029 --> 00:30:37.269
and lips. You just see a W in your mind. And

00:30:37.269 --> 00:30:39.710
so every character in Morse code, of course,

00:30:39.789 --> 00:30:43.130
is made up of Dits and Dots, but like the spoken

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letter, we tend to hear it as a single sound.

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So that's what we focus on on that particular

00:30:48.630 --> 00:30:56.220
module. Mistakes is a big piece of this. As odd

00:30:56.220 --> 00:30:58.779
as it sounds, we want people to make mistakes.

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The brain is focused on getting everything right,

00:31:01.660 --> 00:31:03.559
and oftentimes if we don't get everything right,

00:31:03.779 --> 00:31:06.240
we dial it back, we slow it down, we grip that

00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.259
pencil a little tighter, and we just really do

00:31:08.259 --> 00:31:11.140
whatever it takes to copy what comes in, because

00:31:11.140 --> 00:31:14.319
making a mistake is just unforgivable. but it's

00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:16.720
when the mind makes a mistake that it changes,

00:31:16.900 --> 00:31:20.079
that it learns. And so we actually ask people

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to, once you get to about a 70%, 65 % -ish copy

00:31:25.579 --> 00:31:29.579
rate, that's a good spot to stay, at least for

00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:31.619
right now, because we need you to make these

00:31:31.619 --> 00:31:34.599
mistakes. We need you to get things wrong. And

00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:37.519
that is a really difficult thing, oftentimes,

00:31:37.660 --> 00:31:39.000
for people to kind of get their head wrapped

00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:42.250
around because we've all been so ... focus on

00:31:42.250 --> 00:31:44.089
getting everything right. And getting everything

00:31:44.089 --> 00:31:47.509
right is not a bad thing, of course, but there

00:31:47.509 --> 00:31:50.829
is sort of a mind shift that happens that gets

00:31:50.829 --> 00:31:53.210
from a fixed mindset to what we call a growth

00:31:53.210 --> 00:31:58.109
mindset. The fixed mindset says, I can't do that.

00:31:58.650 --> 00:32:01.750
Our growth mindset says, I can't do that yet.

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And the yet is such an important piece of this.

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Speaking of getting things wrong is what we call

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missing fast. So we all, as we copy the code,

00:32:12.779 --> 00:32:15.640
we miss things, right? But we all know what it

00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.720
feels like when we miss, and you hear a da -da

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-da -da, and you go J, you're thinking J, or

00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:23.940
maybe that was a one. All these characters are

00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:25.599
coming after, and you're still stuck back there

00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:27.440
going, no, that was a J, no, that was a one,

00:32:27.500 --> 00:32:30.759
which was that? Well, of course, you may have

00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:32.900
succeeded in finally figuring out what that one

00:32:32.900 --> 00:32:35.180
character is, but you have lost everything after

00:32:35.180 --> 00:32:38.220
that. So we really focus on a skill called missing

00:32:38.220 --> 00:32:41.440
fast. And that means if it doesn't snap in your

00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:43.200
head, you throw it over your shoulder, you have

00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.539
no rear view mirror, you keep looking forward

00:32:45.539 --> 00:32:48.849
to what's coming next. And that's a really big

00:32:48.849 --> 00:32:50.390
piece of it. The other thing is like we talked

00:32:50.390 --> 00:32:52.369
about word building from the beginning to the

00:32:52.369 --> 00:32:54.829
end. That is a huge piece of what we're doing

00:32:54.829 --> 00:33:01.250
because if you can't create those words or call

00:33:01.250 --> 00:33:03.529
signs as they come in, trying to look back and

00:33:03.529 --> 00:33:05.309
trying to figure those out, you just simply don't

00:33:05.309 --> 00:33:08.509
have time. So those are some of the fundamental

00:33:08.509 --> 00:33:11.650
pieces of modules we get from that stage to words,

00:33:11.750 --> 00:33:15.180
to phrases, to... stories, that sort of thing.

00:33:16.180 --> 00:33:19.559
I try to make a ramp out of it instead of a stepping

00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:21.299
stone because if you think if you're traveling

00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:23.079
on a stepping stone, you're going to get a bloody

00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.740
nose when you run into that next step and we're

00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:28.180
trying to make sort of a ramp out of it and make

00:33:28.180 --> 00:33:31.740
the transition as smooth as possible. By the

00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:33.380
way, it's a 10 -week program. Didn't mention

00:33:33.380 --> 00:33:37.319
that. We meet twice a week in the evening. Generally,

00:33:37.579 --> 00:33:39.640
but we have a class coming up starting on the

00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:42.200
24th of this month of April that is going to

00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:44.619
meet in the early afternoon So it's actually

00:33:44.619 --> 00:33:47.779
going to cater to the European crowd We have

00:33:47.779 --> 00:33:49.779
someone in the UK and someone in Italy who's

00:33:49.779 --> 00:33:51.420
going to be part of the class and we also have

00:33:51.420 --> 00:33:53.359
someone in Colombia in Bogota That's going to

00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:55.140
be joining the next class. So this is turning

00:33:55.140 --> 00:33:57.619
into something besides just here in the States

00:33:57.619 --> 00:34:01.599
So that's that's how the class sequences through

00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:05.759
is through the modules Now another important

00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:11.440
component of this is the code buddy So you want

00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.940
to say a few words? Yeah The first go -around

00:34:14.940 --> 00:34:17.800
when Terry was in the class we encouraged code

00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.239
buddies the code buddy meaning you're going to

00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.760
be on the air so find someone who you can schedule

00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:27.079
a couple at least a couple of times a week and

00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:29.539
I have sort of some accountability that says

00:34:29.539 --> 00:34:32.349
I'm going to meet this person that this time

00:34:32.349 --> 00:34:34.750
and this is going to be something regular because

00:34:34.750 --> 00:34:37.989
a regular presence on the air is a very, very

00:34:37.989 --> 00:34:40.329
important piece of this is to take what you've

00:34:40.329 --> 00:34:44.449
learned and to apply that on air. And so it was

00:34:44.449 --> 00:34:47.369
such success between Terry and her code buddy

00:34:47.369 --> 00:34:49.429
that we decided the next go around, let's just

00:34:49.429 --> 00:34:52.409
say this is what we need you to do is to have

00:34:52.409 --> 00:34:54.949
a code buddy. And so it has worked out well and

00:34:54.949 --> 00:34:58.010
I'll let Terry kind of speak to her experience

00:34:58.010 --> 00:35:01.219
with that please, Terry. Companies are important

00:35:01.219 --> 00:35:05.219
because why do we get on the air? We get on the

00:35:05.219 --> 00:35:07.739
air because we're talking to somebody else, right?

00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:10.260
And relationships are what get us on the air

00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:12.340
and relationships are what keep us on the air.

00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.219
At least that is for me. I enjoy all the different

00:35:15.219 --> 00:35:17.619
ops that I get a chance to meet and converse

00:35:17.619 --> 00:35:20.699
with and learn from. So a code buddy is a safe

00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:22.860
place, just like we talked in the class. The

00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:26.280
class is closed so that we can share our successes,

00:35:26.380 --> 00:35:28.460
but we can also talk about our struggles and

00:35:28.460 --> 00:35:30.539
our difficulties and help each other out and

00:35:30.539 --> 00:35:34.010
realize, oh, yeah. I'm normal. Okay, somebody

00:35:34.010 --> 00:35:36.289
else has that problem, just like I do, and help

00:35:36.289 --> 00:35:38.570
us talk this off the ledge and get through it.

00:35:38.929 --> 00:35:42.210
And a code buddy is a part of that safety net,

00:35:42.409 --> 00:35:45.690
somebody that you can work through. And I am

00:35:45.690 --> 00:35:47.730
so blessed to have met Karen. She has been a

00:35:47.730 --> 00:35:50.730
wonderful code buddy. We started about the same

00:35:50.730 --> 00:35:52.389
speed, just like Glenn said, you want someone

00:35:52.389 --> 00:35:54.570
who's about the same speed as you. And we're

00:35:54.570 --> 00:35:57.150
about 10 to 12 words per minute. And over the

00:35:57.150 --> 00:36:00.980
course of the class, Now we're about 15 to 17,

00:36:01.099 --> 00:36:04.440
we're evenly matched. And it was Karen who actually

00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:06.880
was the first to suggest head copy between the

00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.619
two of us. And I thought, oh my God, head copy,

00:36:09.820 --> 00:36:11.579
really? Am I ready for this? This was probably

00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:13.380
about halfway through the course. We hadn't even

00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:15.920
reached the head copy module. And I was like...

00:36:15.980 --> 00:36:18.500
OK, well, she's going to do it. I got to do it,

00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:21.739
too. And we did it. And it was so exciting. It

00:36:21.739 --> 00:36:24.440
was like, oh, my God, I actually had copy. This

00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:27.599
is so amazing. And so a code buddy is somebody

00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:32.039
who can help you, push you to achieve new things.

00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:34.719
But there are also been times that she and I

00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:38.099
are like, oh, I forgot it. I can't do this anymore.

00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:40.360
I've lost the code. I mean, forget it. And the

00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:42.000
other person says, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:43.920
no, no. You're just having a bad day. It's OK.

00:36:44.619 --> 00:36:46.960
Talk you off the ledge. Let's get back on again.

00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:50.079
So a code buddy is a wonderful thing to have,

00:36:50.340 --> 00:36:53.480
and I agree with Glenn. It needs to be a part

00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:56.639
of this class. We have a new class that's going

00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:00.860
on right now, 11 guys, and it's been interesting

00:37:00.860 --> 00:37:03.500
to watch them work out their code buddies, and

00:37:03.500 --> 00:37:06.000
they talk about, you know, QSOs that they've

00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.639
had. So it's a wonderful opportunity to form

00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.460
a relationship with somebody that can help you

00:37:12.460 --> 00:37:15.219
achieve your goals and also be a safety net in

00:37:15.219 --> 00:37:20.079
the process. And knowing Karen, as I do, you

00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.880
also learn a lot about horses, squirrels, and

00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:28.099
prairie dogs. That is true. There was also a

00:37:28.099 --> 00:37:30.840
lizard somewhere in there, I think. Oh, yes.

00:37:31.579 --> 00:37:33.980
Oh, my goodness. Oh, there is. I have to tell

00:37:33.980 --> 00:37:36.519
that quick story. So in the class, I'm glad Glenn

00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.699
reminded me about that. This was early on in

00:37:39.699 --> 00:37:41.599
the journey. I think we were only a couple weeks.

00:37:41.949 --> 00:37:45.610
the class and we had done some ICR and it was

00:37:45.610 --> 00:37:48.769
cold outside and my husband actually had was

00:37:48.769 --> 00:37:50.469
starting up the wood stove from the beginning

00:37:50.469 --> 00:37:53.610
of the season and he found a lizard in there.

00:37:53.769 --> 00:37:55.590
I don't know why a lizard was living in the wood

00:37:55.590 --> 00:37:58.690
stove but he was and so he came in and told me

00:37:58.690 --> 00:38:00.590
and Karen and I were having our code buddy and

00:38:00.590 --> 00:38:03.570
I cue so and so I sent the word lizard and at

00:38:03.570 --> 00:38:08.690
first she was like what there's a lizard in the

00:38:08.690 --> 00:38:13.119
wood stove. And then afterwards, when we talked

00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:17.000
about it, she was like, I copied the word lizard,

00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.880
you know, I mean, I actually got it. And so it

00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.380
became a standing joke in the class about lizards.

00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:24.320
But yeah, you just never know what's going to

00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.969
come up in your code buddy conversations. In

00:38:26.969 --> 00:38:28.989
fact, Karen was convinced that she had copied

00:38:28.989 --> 00:38:30.869
it wrong. She said, I could not have copied the

00:38:30.869 --> 00:38:32.610
word lizard because she would not have sent the

00:38:32.610 --> 00:38:35.449
word lizard. But once she found out that she

00:38:35.449 --> 00:38:37.630
has, she was so excited, right? I mean, it's

00:38:37.630 --> 00:38:39.710
a six letter word. And to think that we just

00:38:39.710 --> 00:38:42.469
started head copying and I copied the word lizard.

00:38:42.510 --> 00:38:45.030
And it's very encouraging to just come across

00:38:45.030 --> 00:38:48.329
those moments like that. So this wasn't a repeat

00:38:48.329 --> 00:38:52.400
of the the WKRP in Cincinnati show where the

00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.480
bee was out on the teletype, and so they were

00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.619
talking about the monster lizard that was hitting

00:38:58.619 --> 00:39:04.940
Cincinnati. It was really the blizzard. It's

00:39:04.940 --> 00:39:06.980
fun too, right? And a code buddy, by the way,

00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:09.900
needs to be someone kind of... I remember someone

00:39:09.900 --> 00:39:11.480
saying one time, he said, yeah, I have a code

00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:14.460
buddy, but he's like at 40 words per minute,

00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.539
and I'm afraid I'll embarrass myself. And I said,

00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:18.119
well, then that person's not your code buddy.

00:39:18.869 --> 00:39:20.869
Your code buddy is someone that you can feel

00:39:20.869 --> 00:39:23.730
safe with and you can make mistakes and not feel

00:39:23.730 --> 00:39:25.409
like, oh, what are they going to think of me

00:39:25.409 --> 00:39:27.210
and that sort of thing. It just needs to be a

00:39:27.210 --> 00:39:31.329
safe person too. Like Terry said, there will

00:39:31.329 --> 00:39:33.210
be days when the code is just not clicking in

00:39:33.210 --> 00:39:35.190
your brain and the other person that's just kind

00:39:35.190 --> 00:39:37.230
of encouraged them is like, we'll just set it

00:39:37.230 --> 00:39:39.110
down for right now and you'll be okay tomorrow.

00:39:39.889 --> 00:39:42.860
Just take it easy. And you can ask for repeats.

00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.079
That's another thing. You know, I think as a

00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:48.940
newer op, I was always scared to say a question

00:39:48.940 --> 00:39:50.659
mark. Like I didn't, like, oh, I'm admitting

00:39:50.659 --> 00:39:53.420
I didn't get something. I made a mistake. And

00:39:53.420 --> 00:39:55.320
you do that with your code buddy. I've had times

00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:57.460
where I didn't get something either because of

00:39:57.460 --> 00:40:00.579
QSB or my brain just wasn't working. And I've

00:40:00.579 --> 00:40:02.880
asked her like three times. And by the third

00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:05.059
time I got it, but your code buddy doesn't care.

00:40:05.179 --> 00:40:07.039
It's like, that's okay. They're not judging you.

00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.539
They're helping you try to achieve what you want

00:40:09.539 --> 00:40:15.940
to achieve. Always important to have those relationships.

00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:19.880
When you have that and you're working together,

00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.300
you challenge each other and learn from each

00:40:22.300 --> 00:40:25.840
other. Go ahead, Glenn. It's just a magical thing

00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:29.500
to watch these kinds of things happen. It's not

00:40:29.500 --> 00:40:34.300
something that I could ever orchestrate. It happens

00:40:34.300 --> 00:40:38.079
because the people want to improve. We just try

00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.559
to hand them the tools and say, You know, if

00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:45.920
we're here, you can contact us anytime. And like

00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:49.500
Terry said, the amazing part was after the pilot

00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:52.820
class, at the end of one of the, toward the end

00:40:52.820 --> 00:40:55.800
of the course, I asked anyone and said, hey,

00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.400
we're going to be carrying this on to another

00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:01.219
version. And so anyone who'd like to join us

00:41:01.219 --> 00:41:05.260
in that effort, welcome to stick around after

00:41:05.260 --> 00:41:08.840
this class is finished. And so some people dropped

00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:12.579
off and Some people didn't and I was waiting

00:41:12.579 --> 00:41:14.920
for more to drop off and I finally just paused

00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.659
and said really There's six of you who want to

00:41:17.659 --> 00:41:21.179
join us going forward and they were like, yes

00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:24.519
Six out of ten six out of ten and by the way,

00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.679
we didn't have any dropouts so far We had any

00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:31.739
dropouts but but that was a huge piece that Informed

00:41:31.739 --> 00:41:34.239
me that that we're really doing something that

00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.150
people are enjoying This isn't something that

00:41:37.150 --> 00:41:39.909
they dread having to go through, that they really

00:41:39.909 --> 00:41:41.849
are enjoying this process. And like you say,

00:41:41.869 --> 00:41:44.489
when it's fun, that's when the learning really,

00:41:44.489 --> 00:41:47.570
really happens. And that was very encouraging.

00:41:47.650 --> 00:41:49.969
So we have several people working with us now

00:41:49.969 --> 00:41:52.389
on the coaching side that have experienced this.

00:41:52.969 --> 00:41:55.630
I learned the code when I was a teenager. I cannot

00:41:55.630 --> 00:41:58.489
experience what Terry is talking about, no matter

00:41:58.489 --> 00:42:01.909
how hard I try. But what I can do is I can listen

00:42:01.909 --> 00:42:04.909
to Terry and the others and learn from them.

00:42:05.050 --> 00:42:07.030
So I always tell them, I'm learning more than

00:42:07.030 --> 00:42:11.110
you are from me. And that's all I do is just

00:42:11.110 --> 00:42:13.630
listen and try to formulate what we do based

00:42:13.630 --> 00:42:15.630
on the feedback that we get. Because the feedback

00:42:15.630 --> 00:42:18.789
is everything as far as what we do and how we

00:42:18.789 --> 00:42:23.269
do it. It's their experience, not mine. Very

00:42:23.269 --> 00:42:27.789
good. Very good. Well, we need to finish things

00:42:27.789 --> 00:42:32.510
up here. So Glenn, Terry, anything else that

00:42:32.510 --> 00:42:35.179
you've thought of that we need to just... speak

00:42:35.179 --> 00:42:40.900
about with the CRCR before we adjourn here. We're

00:42:40.900 --> 00:42:44.639
just having fun, Neil. We're just having a good

00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:50.099
time. cwinnovations .net. Come sign up and we'll

00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:56.940
talk and join the fun. And I really appreciate

00:42:56.940 --> 00:43:00.599
Terry joining me tonight on this because one

00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.800
of the reasons I asked her to join us was for

00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:06.099
that reason I just said I cannot describe the

00:43:06.099 --> 00:43:13.500
experience of what Terry can describe. Terry,

00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:19.219
any final words? See what you want to accomplish

00:43:19.219 --> 00:43:22.710
and come join us. and be ready for, as Glen said,

00:43:23.130 --> 00:43:26.570
fun, but also being able to have the tools to

00:43:26.570 --> 00:43:30.530
achieve whatever you want and know that what

00:43:30.530 --> 00:43:33.070
you own your success, the effort that you put

00:43:33.070 --> 00:43:35.170
in is what you're going to get out. If you put

00:43:35.170 --> 00:43:38.110
in the time and you put in the effort and you

00:43:38.110 --> 00:43:40.869
trust the methodology, you will have success

00:43:40.869 --> 00:43:46.710
with this method. Neil, as we don't have set

00:43:46.710 --> 00:43:50.250
semesters, we are going to, we have the capacity

00:43:50.250 --> 00:43:54.429
to lead classes with people like Terry and as

00:43:54.429 --> 00:43:57.329
we get people who sign up and we formulate a

00:43:57.329 --> 00:44:00.730
group, we'll start a class. And so we're trying

00:44:00.730 --> 00:44:06.630
to kind of keep it flexible and not something

00:44:06.630 --> 00:44:11.369
that we have set. And if a certain semester doesn't

00:44:11.369 --> 00:44:13.389
work for somebody or class didn't work, then

00:44:13.389 --> 00:44:15.429
they can come in the next time perhaps and that

00:44:15.429 --> 00:44:19.170
sort of thing. So we're just sort of a ragtag

00:44:19.170 --> 00:44:23.989
team just having fun. So that's kind of it. Well,

00:44:24.190 --> 00:44:27.610
that's what it's all about. So thank you so much

00:44:27.610 --> 00:44:31.150
for doing this and taking the time to, you know,

00:44:31.269 --> 00:44:36.269
to put all the thought into the process. the

00:44:36.269 --> 00:44:41.929
learning process of getting this to be an automatic

00:44:41.929 --> 00:44:46.889
recognition, something that you're not translating

00:44:46.889 --> 00:44:51.570
in between and you're figuring out exactly what

00:44:51.570 --> 00:44:57.840
is there right away. If I have time, I will be

00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:02.219
signing up because it's been a long time since

00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:08.019
I have rag chewed on CW. I do work a few de -expeditions

00:45:08.019 --> 00:45:12.380
and that kind of thing on CW, but rag chew, yeah,

00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:16.079
that's been a long time away. What I like to

00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:19.300
say, Neil, is don't get proficient so you can

00:45:19.300 --> 00:45:22.579
get on the air. Get on the air so you can get

00:45:22.579 --> 00:45:25.880
proficient. Yeah. It really is that important

00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.059
to switch that around. You're welcome anytime,

00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:33.780
Neil. Well, thank you. Well, that's going to

00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:37.800
do it for this episode of HamTalk Live. Thanks

00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:42.000
to my guests, Glenn Norman, W4YES. and Terry

00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:46.440
Beard K04WFP and everybody out there in cyberspace

00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:49.340
for listening invite you back next time and we've

00:45:49.340 --> 00:45:52.239
got a lot of Dayton Hamvention episodes coming

00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:56.460
up soon so make sure you tune in for those and

00:45:56.460 --> 00:45:59.860
we actually have several shows coming up here

00:45:59.860 --> 00:46:03.599
soon so you can check those out over at our website

00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:09.039
HamTalkLive .com So for now, this is Neil Rapp,

00:46:09.139 --> 00:46:14.579
WB9VPG, saying 7 -3, 7 -5, may the good DX be

00:46:14.579 --> 00:46:39.510
yours. You sound just like a local up here But

00:46:39.510 --> 00:46:43.429
why don't those whistling Mediterranean's check

00:46:43.429 --> 00:46:47.769
it when the records is clear? We're warm and

00:46:47.769 --> 00:46:51.949
cozy in our shacks And we have talked about thousands

00:46:51.949 --> 00:46:56.750
of things About shoes, about ships, about sealing

00:46:56.750 --> 00:47:03.250
wax About cabbages and kings So 73's, to you

00:47:03.250 --> 00:47:15.940
and me It's really made from QRM labs to help

00:47:15.940 --> 00:47:25.960
make your hand radio life better. In these challenging

00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:29.099
times, now more than ever, we're all in this

00:47:29.099 --> 00:47:33.210
together. So here at QRM Labs, we created a new

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00:47:36.190 --> 00:47:39.809
novel coronavirus that passes through the ionosphere,

00:47:40.369 --> 00:47:43.030
especially during those explosive coronal mass

00:47:43.030 --> 00:47:46.869
ejections and into your radio. Hand sanitizer

00:47:46.869 --> 00:47:49.489
might be great for your hands, but to protect

00:47:49.489 --> 00:47:52.250
you from viruses that pass through your radio,

00:47:52.630 --> 00:48:00.900
you need ham sanitizer. Just put some ham sanitizer

00:48:00.900 --> 00:48:03.679
anywhere you come into contact with your radio

00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:07.360
to break down those nasty viruses. The higher

00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.420
the frequency, the faster those viruses travel.

00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:14.559
Don't forget the first half of your handheld

00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.659
is hand. And until radio manufacturers start

00:48:17.659 --> 00:48:21.219
making gloves, you'll need to sanitize your HTs

00:48:21.219 --> 00:48:25.440
too. What your DSP can't filter out, Ham Sanitizer

00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:29.309
can. Ham sanitizer is also compatible with all

00:48:29.309 --> 00:48:32.329
digital modes and is known to work very, very

00:48:32.329 --> 00:48:39.889
quickly with FT8. But wait, there's more! Not

00:48:39.889 --> 00:48:43.150
only does ham sanitizer keep your radios virus

00:48:43.150 --> 00:48:46.489
free, it also automatically skips past a few

00:48:46.489 --> 00:48:51.559
certain 75 meter frequencies. Spray it on and

00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:54.079
once you hear it identify itself audibly ten

00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:57.239
minutes later, you're ready for your next socially

00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:01.380
distant QSO. If you aren't using Vox, you should

00:49:01.380 --> 00:49:06.019
be using ham sanitizer. Order yours today. To

00:49:06.019 --> 00:49:08.960
order four ounces of ham sanitizer from QRM Labs

00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:15.179
for just $49 .73, call 760 -706 -7425. That's

00:49:15.179 --> 00:49:31.650
760 -706 -7425. Call now. Hi folks, Billy Hayes

00:49:31.650 --> 00:49:34.349
back again here to help all of you hams out who

00:49:34.349 --> 00:49:36.769
just can't get rid of that annoying guy who keeps

00:49:36.769 --> 00:49:39.210
making trouble. You know who I'm talking about

00:49:39.210 --> 00:49:42.360
right? That guy named Murphy. He keeps showing

00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.380
up in all of your antennas, towers, rotors, and

00:49:45.380 --> 00:49:48.139
even your computer. He just keeps messing things

00:49:48.139 --> 00:49:50.760
up so they don't work like they should. Well,

00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.420
now thanks to the folks at As Seen on Radio,

00:49:53.619 --> 00:49:55.940
there's a solution for that. Kick Murphy out

00:49:55.940 --> 00:49:59.159
of your shack for good. It's the Murphy Repeller.

00:49:59.460 --> 00:50:03.059
Just plug it in and your worries are gone. Murphy

00:50:03.059 --> 00:50:06.179
repeller sends out a sub audible tone every five

00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:09.380
seconds that you can't hear, but Mr. Murphy can.

00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:12.400
He can't stand to hear it. So whenever he hears

00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.219
the tone, he runs away to that annoying neighbor's

00:50:15.219 --> 00:50:17.539
house across the street that raised all the fuss

00:50:17.539 --> 00:50:20.579
about your antenna at the last homeowners association

00:50:20.579 --> 00:50:23.639
meeting. It's the Murphy Repeller. Get yours

00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:26.880
today. It's available from most ham radio stores

00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:32.500
and a ham fest near you. Or call 985 -655 -2500.

00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:38.659
That's 985 -655 -2500. Order your Murphy Repeller

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today. Hello, Willie Mays here for Spray -A -Way,

00:50:42.659 --> 00:50:46.440
the SWR reducer in a can. Are you annoyed by

00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.900
that pesky SWR that keeps getting in your antennas?

00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.139
Well, you can get rid of that in one easy step.

00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:55.800
Just spray some Spray -A -Way on your antenna

00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:59.980
and the SWR disappears like magic. Use it on

00:50:59.980 --> 00:51:03.199
all your antennas. Dipoles, verticals, and even

00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:06.460
Yoggies are no match for Spray -A -Way. Want

00:51:06.460 --> 00:51:10.360
that tough SWR to go away? Spray it away. But

00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:13.420
wait, there's more. Order in the next 30 seconds

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and you can get two cans of spray away for the

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now and we'll throw in a can of Zapfree. Protect

00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:24.880
your antenna from lightning. Coat it in Zapfree

00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:27.940
and your worries are gone. Spray it and forget

00:51:27.940 --> 00:51:30.420
it. Lightning strikes will never bother your

00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:33.769
rig again. Here's how to order. To order spray

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away for just $19 .99 call 985 -655 -2500. That's

00:51:38.750 --> 00:51:53.289
985 -655 -2500. Call now 985 -655 -2500. Hello!

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Willie Mays back again to help you make your

00:51:56.690 --> 00:52:00.230
ham shack better. One time or another it's probably

00:52:00.230 --> 00:52:03.139
happened to you. You let the magic smoke out

00:52:03.139 --> 00:52:06.880
of something in your shaft. Maybe it was a power

00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.940
supply, a radio, or a project you were building.

00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.019
You plug it in and the magic smoke that makes

00:52:13.019 --> 00:52:16.300
it all work somehow escape. Well, we have the

00:52:16.300 --> 00:52:19.960
solution just for you. It's the magic smoke replacement

00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:23.199
system. Fix that favorite rig, accessory, or

00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:26.980
project by putting the magic smoke back in. The

00:52:26.980 --> 00:52:30.179
Magic Smoke Replacement System comes with 7 .5

00:52:30.179 --> 00:52:33.760
ounces of magic smoke, a syringe with a tiny

00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.559
needle, and a table to measure how much magic

00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:40.079
smoke you need for each part. Just fill the syringe

00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:43.599
to the right amount, inject it back in, and presto!

00:52:44.329 --> 00:52:48.969
It all works again. But wait, there's more. Order

00:52:48.969 --> 00:52:51.789
in the next 30 seconds and you can get two bottles

00:52:51.789 --> 00:52:54.969
of Magic Smoke for the price of one. To order

00:52:54.969 --> 00:52:57.989
the Magic Smoke replacement system for just $39

00:52:57.989 --> 00:53:04.389
.73, call 985 -655 -2500. That's 985 -655 -2500.

00:53:04.610 --> 00:53:16.739
Call now, 985 -655 -2500. Hello, Willie Mays

00:53:16.739 --> 00:53:20.280
from QRM Labs back again to help you make your

00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:23.719
ham radio experience better. Are you tired of

00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.059
all the work of having to find sounds to use

00:53:26.059 --> 00:53:29.800
to create QRM? You hear that annoying guy on

00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:33.219
80 meters and you feel this uncontrollable urge

00:53:33.219 --> 00:53:36.289
to illegally jam his signal. But you don't have

00:53:36.289 --> 00:53:40.070
the right sounds to use? Well, QRM Labs has the

00:53:40.070 --> 00:53:44.170
perfect app for you. It's the Jammer Generator.

00:53:44.630 --> 00:53:47.769
Jammer Generator is an app for both iPhone and

00:53:47.769 --> 00:53:51.250
Android that has all you need to illegally transmit

00:53:51.250 --> 00:53:55.170
over the top of anyone. Just hold the phone up

00:53:55.170 --> 00:53:58.250
to the mic and tap the sound you want. There's

00:53:58.250 --> 00:54:11.389
the famous number station generator. Some music,

00:54:11.630 --> 00:54:18.530
like one of Michael Jackson's songs. The Russian

00:54:18.530 --> 00:54:27.070
woodpecker. Just acting stupid. Hey, you're friggin'

00:54:27.429 --> 00:54:30.769
fine, Brian. Hey, you're fine, you psychopath.

00:54:31.769 --> 00:54:35.989
I'm just fine doing what I love to do. I ain't

00:54:35.989 --> 00:54:40.010
paying no fine. I take a poo on you. Tuning the

00:54:40.010 --> 00:54:51.969
rig with your mic. Or the classic tune -up tone.

00:54:55.429 --> 00:54:58.050
It's so good, you'll get your license taken away

00:54:58.050 --> 00:55:02.090
and find both sooner and more often. But wait,

00:55:02.190 --> 00:55:05.760
there's more! Order now and we'll add a quick

00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.639
tune button that will tune any radio within one

00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:12.960
square mile immediately to 7200 kilohertz. The

00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:16.039
Jammer Generator, available for just $49 .99

00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:19.159
from the App Store. And for technical support,

00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:26.400
call 985 -655 -2500. That's 985 -655 -2500. And

00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:30.360
don't forget to speak as loudly as you can! QRM

00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:32.659
Labs looks forward to hearing your complaints,

00:55:33.059 --> 00:55:35.559
but we probably won't hear a thing because there's

00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:39.480
too much noise on the line. The Jammer Generator.

00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:55.510
Download your copy today. So Willie Mays back

00:55:55.510 --> 00:55:58.190
again to help make your ham radio experience

00:55:58.190 --> 00:56:01.610
better. Maybe you have problems with your neighborhood

00:56:01.610 --> 00:56:05.050
homeowners association, or the wife just doesn't

00:56:05.050 --> 00:56:08.250
think a huge 40 meter beam looks great in the

00:56:08.250 --> 00:56:11.989
backyard. Well, HamTalk Systems has just what

00:56:11.989 --> 00:56:15.949
you need. It's the Invisitena. Invisitenna is

00:56:15.949 --> 00:56:19.329
a three -element yogi that is completely invisible.

00:56:19.710 --> 00:56:22.349
Just inflate the antenna, mount it, and you'll

00:56:22.349 --> 00:56:25.369
never see it again. Invisitenna is available

00:56:25.369 --> 00:56:29.309
for 40 meters or a tri -bander for 20, 15, and

00:56:29.309 --> 00:56:32.889
10. No one will ever know it's there. But wait,

00:56:33.050 --> 00:56:36.150
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00:56:40.829 --> 00:56:43.710
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00:56:43.710 --> 00:56:47.090
no one will know you have antennas at all, not

00:56:47.090 --> 00:56:50.190
even you. To order the Invisi -Tenna with your

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985 -655 -2500 and appreciate the true meaning

00:57:05.050 --> 00:57:19.429
of having a stealth antenna. Willie Mays Hayes

00:57:19.429 --> 00:57:23.429
here back again from QRM Labs for Formula 5 and

00:57:23.429 --> 00:57:26.670
9, the rocket that creates your own band opening.

00:57:27.250 --> 00:57:30.010
Are you tired of those lousy conditions because

00:57:30.010 --> 00:57:34.130
of the solar cycle? Well, be sad no more. Make

00:57:34.130 --> 00:57:38.309
your own band opening with Formula 5 and 9. Formula

00:57:38.309 --> 00:57:41.329
5 and 9 is a model rocket that you can launch

00:57:41.329 --> 00:57:45.389
from your backyard. Once it gets to the ionosphere,

00:57:45.849 --> 00:57:48.769
it opens up the payload doors and releases a

00:57:48.769 --> 00:57:52.789
special patented formula that ionizes the atmosphere.

00:57:55.130 --> 00:57:59.710
It works for D, E, and even F layers. Simply

00:57:59.710 --> 00:58:02.329
add the right amount of fuel for the layer of

00:58:02.329 --> 00:58:05.789
the atmosphere you want to reach. Pour the formula

00:58:05.789 --> 00:58:10.380
in the rocket, fuel it up, And launch it, launch

00:58:10.380 --> 00:58:13.119
it, launch it. Keep an eye on the band to be

00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:17.460
ionized and within 15 minutes, presto, presto,

00:58:17.579 --> 00:58:21.760
presto, and instant band opening. You can even

00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:26.460
get to Bouvet Island. But wait, there's more.

00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.219
Order in the next 30 seconds and you can get

00:58:30.219 --> 00:58:33.360
a free bottle of our first product, the Magic

00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:37.000
Smoke Replacement System and a can of Spray Away.

00:58:37.210 --> 00:58:41.590
the SWR reducer in a can. Here's how to order.

00:58:42.170 --> 00:58:46.510
To order Formula 5 and 9 from QRM Labs for just

00:58:46.510 --> 00:58:55.510
$49 .73, call 760 -706 -7425. That's 760 -706

00:58:55.510 --> 00:59:03.230
-7425. Call now, 760 -706 -7425. Be sure to register

00:59:03.230 --> 00:59:05.250
your launch with the FAA. Offer void where prohibited.

00:59:05.449 --> 00:59:06.789
If demand opening lasts longer than four hours,

00:59:06.989 --> 00:59:08.989
consult your physician. QRM Labs is not responsible

00:59:08.989 --> 00:59:10.690
for accidents that may occur not for use near

00:59:10.690 --> 00:59:25.440
North Korea. Hello, Willie Mays from QRM Labs,

00:59:25.780 --> 00:59:28.780
back again to make your life with Ham Radio better.

00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:32.739
Are you tired of putting together all those kits?

00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:36.300
Minutes of sorting out parts, dropping them on

00:59:36.300 --> 00:59:39.619
the floor, picking them up again, just to drop

00:59:39.619 --> 00:59:43.400
them on the floor again, and then all that soldering.

00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:49.059
Well, we have the kits for you. At QRM Labs,

00:59:49.500 --> 00:59:52.519
our new line of kits only come pre -assembled.

00:59:53.099 --> 00:59:56.480
No more putting them together. Build a tuner

00:59:56.480 --> 01:00:00.300
kit, a power supply kit, or even an HF radio

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kit that's pre -assembled. We put it together

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for you, and you save all the trouble of building

01:00:06.619 --> 01:00:10.099
it yourself. Don't believe it? Just listen to

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what one famed expert kit builder has to say.

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Hi, I'm Joe Eisenberg, kit building editor from

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CQ Magazine and frequent Hamfest speaker and

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kit building leader. These pre -assembled kits

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from QRM Labs have made kit building so easy.

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You can build a kit without all of the hassle

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of stuffing the board, soldering, and figuring

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out all those little tiny part numbers. When

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I do group kit builds, these pre -assembled QRM

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QRM Labs kits work so much better. It takes so

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much less time for everyone to build and keeps

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me from dealing with that guy. You know, the

01:00:53.130 --> 01:00:56.449
guy that brings a roll of thick acid core solder

01:00:56.449 --> 01:01:00.530
and a weller soldering gun. QRM Labs makes kit

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building a great experience. Just plug and pray.

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But wait, there's more. More. More. Order in

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To order your pre -assembled kit, call 760 -706

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