WEBVTT 00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:02.990 Welcome to Leveling Up with Lindsay, the podcast 00:00:02.990 --> 00:00:05.150 where we dive into leadership, small business, 00:00:05.349 --> 00:00:07.809 and everything in between. I'm Lindsay, your 00:00:07.809 --> 00:00:10.189 host and the proud owner of White Puny Boutique, 00:00:10.490 --> 00:00:13.250 a space created to empower women, build confidence, 00:00:13.470 --> 00:00:15.949 and foster meaningful connections. Whether you're 00:00:15.949 --> 00:00:18.690 an entrepreneur, a mom, a friend, or someone 00:00:18.690 --> 00:00:21.469 just looking for a little inspiration, This is 00:00:21.469 --> 00:00:24.589 your space to feel seen, supported, and inspired. 00:00:24.829 --> 00:00:27.730 Join me as we share stories, strategies, and 00:00:27.730 --> 00:00:30.109 a little bit of life's chaos while navigating 00:00:30.109 --> 00:00:32.689 what it truly means to level up in starting a 00:00:32.689 --> 00:00:35.170 business, relationship, and personal growth. 00:00:35.490 --> 00:00:38.490 So grab a cup of coffee, get comfy, and let's 00:00:38.490 --> 00:00:42.729 level up together. Today's guest is someone I've 00:00:42.729 --> 00:00:45.090 admired for a long time, not because she demands 00:00:45.090 --> 00:00:47.250 attention, but because of how powerfully she 00:00:47.250 --> 00:00:50.130 leads without ever needing the spotlight. Danny 00:00:50.130 --> 00:00:52.030 Protovinsky is a kind of woman whose presence 00:00:52.030 --> 00:00:54.409 makes you feel steadier, whose words make you 00:00:54.409 --> 00:00:57.020 think deeper, and whose leadership though quiet 00:00:57.020 --> 00:01:00.960 is absolutely undeniable. With a doctorate experiencing 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.539 teaching at three different colleges and years 00:01:03.539 --> 00:01:05.939 of leading at the highest level within Centricure, 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:09.000 Dani's career is one marked by excellence, humility, 00:01:09.219 --> 00:01:11.879 and service. But what many don't see is the strength 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:14.739 behind the scenes. She's been consulting, coaching, 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:17.420 and guiding others quietly for years. And now 00:01:17.420 --> 00:01:19.420 she's stepping into a brand new chapter. After 00:01:19.420 --> 00:01:21.340 recently making the courageous decision to leave 00:01:21.340 --> 00:01:23.840 her leadership role, Dani is taking a leap of 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.879 faith into what's next. One that's rooted not 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:29.299 in certainty, but in calling. In this episode, 00:01:29.340 --> 00:01:31.920 we're talking about quiet leadership, the power 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:34.540 of customizing your leadership style, connection, 00:01:34.700 --> 00:01:36.640 the messy middle, and the courage it takes to 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:38.760 move forward when the path is still unfolding. 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:41.540 Dani is a naturally gifted leader, not just because 00:01:41.540 --> 00:01:43.799 of what she's accomplished, but because of who 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:46.239 she is. I'm so honored to share this conversation 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:48.980 with you and to finally put the spotlight on 00:01:48.980 --> 00:01:51.040 a woman who's been elevating others behind the 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:54.379 scenes for far too long. Let's dive in. You are 00:01:54.379 --> 00:01:56.680 so kind, Lindsey. And I think, too, you know, 00:01:56.739 --> 00:01:58.439 we were talking a little bit about how we've 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:00.299 been connected for so many years. I'm like, how 00:02:00.299 --> 00:02:02.079 has it been that long? It's been a long time. 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:07.540 So Dani and I actually met at the Woman of Influence 00:02:07.540 --> 00:02:11.000 Summit. So White Pioni Boutique did a runway. 00:02:11.379 --> 00:02:13.979 And you were a speaker. Yep. What was your topic 00:02:13.979 --> 00:02:16.780 again? So I've always talked about that you can 00:02:16.780 --> 00:02:18.860 be the maker of your own magic. And I did talk 00:02:18.860 --> 00:02:21.560 about the messy middle and what that looks like. 00:02:21.819 --> 00:02:23.680 So this has come full circle and it's something 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:25.879 that just is embedded and kind of filtered into 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:28.580 my daily life and my practice. So I love that. 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:31.020 Danny and I out a week and a half ago. Was it 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:33.280 longer? I'm not sure days go by so fast, but 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:35.919 we met for coffee and I think we were there for 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:39.120 two hours or longer. I know when I got in the 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:41.319 car and looked at my phone, it was like, wow, 00:02:41.419 --> 00:02:44.539 we could talk. about business and leadership 00:02:44.539 --> 00:02:47.819 and connecting with people and education, honestly, 00:02:47.939 --> 00:02:50.800 for a really, really long time. So you're a natural 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.680 leader, obviously a very strong leader. I think 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:55.639 this, we talked a little bit when we had coffee 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:58.759 about this being something that I think we were 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:01.099 both kind of born naturally with. Tell me about 00:03:01.099 --> 00:03:04.439 your earliest stages of leadership. You as a 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:07.319 little girl, did you know, like, did you carry 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:10.349 those qualities then? and like tell me about 00:03:10.349 --> 00:03:13.409 little leader Dany. Well if you can imagine just 00:03:13.409 --> 00:03:15.870 a little girl with like fiery curly red hair 00:03:15.870 --> 00:03:17.789 running around right telling people what to do 00:03:17.789 --> 00:03:20.949 more so advising rather than bossing right. I 00:03:20.949 --> 00:03:22.949 was the bossy little girl my mom always said. 00:03:23.310 --> 00:03:26.069 Yeah but also just the quiet style of leadership 00:03:26.069 --> 00:03:29.150 right the essential qualities to like listen 00:03:29.150 --> 00:03:31.610 and observe but also provide some of that constructive 00:03:31.610 --> 00:03:33.569 feedback. I was very good at that when I was 00:03:33.569 --> 00:03:35.430 younger. Can you imagine a little five -year 00:03:35.430 --> 00:03:37.870 -old I'm gonna give you some constructive feedback. 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:40.759 Yes, yes. Whether it was taken good or bad, that 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:42.780 could be, you know, up for discussion. But yeah, 00:03:42.860 --> 00:03:44.840 I think, you know, part of that, and these were 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:46.800 qualities that I think in my younger years I 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.000 didn't even see, right? So, you know, listening, 00:03:50.259 --> 00:03:52.620 empathy, a lot of those compassionate components 00:03:52.620 --> 00:03:54.919 when we think about connecting with people. But 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:57.219 really, I was a multi -sport athlete, you know, 00:03:57.219 --> 00:04:01.000 I was in school, always yearning for excellence, 00:04:01.180 --> 00:04:04.060 not necessarily perfection, right? In sports, 00:04:04.060 --> 00:04:06.240 you know, I was a captain for multiple years 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:08.210 and that transcended into my... college years. 00:04:08.610 --> 00:04:11.490 I had so much fun and really still stay connected 00:04:11.490 --> 00:04:15.099 with many of those people still today. think 00:04:15.099 --> 00:04:17.220 about is even the wonderful coaches and leaders 00:04:17.220 --> 00:04:19.800 that I had and how they made an impact on me. 00:04:19.939 --> 00:04:22.540 Man our stories are very similar in that regard 00:04:22.540 --> 00:04:24.639 when I'm listening to my mom always jokes about 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:26.319 being the bossy little one because she had a 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:28.939 daycare and I would you know wrangle all her 00:04:28.939 --> 00:04:31.699 children and we would sing songs together and 00:04:31.699 --> 00:04:33.620 put on plays together and I was coordinating 00:04:33.620 --> 00:04:36.680 everything and then also a sports. I think you 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.220 learn so much and there are coaches that I've 00:04:39.220 --> 00:04:42.180 had that really stuck with me and then as my 00:04:42.180 --> 00:04:44.329 career has moved on in different ways or my journey 00:04:44.329 --> 00:04:46.829 in life. There has been different managers that 00:04:46.829 --> 00:04:49.149 will forever be indebted in my heart and just 00:04:49.149 --> 00:04:52.149 people who led differently. And I think when 00:04:52.149 --> 00:04:54.310 you have that experience and you're mindful of 00:04:54.310 --> 00:04:56.410 it it's something that's in your blood because 00:04:56.410 --> 00:04:58.509 I think it is for you and I. You look at things 00:04:58.509 --> 00:05:00.410 a little bit differently and you don't take for 00:05:00.410 --> 00:05:02.949 granted some of that or learn to not take for 00:05:02.949 --> 00:05:05.949 granted, right? I learned so much about you while 00:05:05.949 --> 00:05:08.110 we're sitting there. So much more about you which 00:05:08.110 --> 00:05:11.569 is so awesome. Tell me about your home life. 00:05:11.910 --> 00:05:13.910 I learned that you have a doctorate and you're 00:05:13.910 --> 00:05:16.750 also, she does. She's a woman of many, many trades. 00:05:16.769 --> 00:05:18.569 So just give me a little bit of background about 00:05:18.569 --> 00:05:21.870 you personally. Yeah. Well, I am a wife, a mom, 00:05:21.930 --> 00:05:25.069 a friend, a colleague, a leader, and I've had 00:05:25.069 --> 00:05:27.490 so many wonderful privileges to lead in many 00:05:27.490 --> 00:05:30.490 spaces. And I think part of that natural progression 00:05:30.490 --> 00:05:32.629 or that natural leadership is really also being 00:05:32.629 --> 00:05:34.930 a high performer, right? And you know, when you 00:05:34.930 --> 00:05:36.610 strive for excellence, you're not necessarily 00:05:36.610 --> 00:05:39.980 doing it for someone else or the show. of that 00:05:39.980 --> 00:05:42.259 is really just getting to do the things you love, 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.899 right? And so I... packed my car and I was the 00:05:45.899 --> 00:05:48.420 first in my family to go off to college and seek 00:05:48.420 --> 00:05:50.879 higher education just knowing that I wanted something 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:54.040 a little bit different and in that space right 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:56.019 I got involved and I you know started to build 00:05:56.019 --> 00:05:58.139 connection and community but then out of that 00:05:58.139 --> 00:06:00.100 I was still leading and influencing and that 00:06:00.100 --> 00:06:02.319 was really what was bringing me the most joy 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:05.079 I was recruited out of college for my first job 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:08.040 and I just built wonderful connections and for 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:10.279 that I'm so grateful and I just kind of kept 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:12.199 going right so I never really took a break I 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:14.199 did my masters while I was working full and I 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:16.420 was, you know, coaching dance and teaching fitness 00:06:16.420 --> 00:06:18.480 classes and then I did my doctorate. I just never, 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:20.139 you know, really took a break. Never slowed down 00:06:20.139 --> 00:06:22.819 once. Yeah. It makes me kind of tired hearing 00:06:22.819 --> 00:06:25.839 that. I know, right? Yeah, but in that is kind 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:27.839 of the messy middle, right? Because it does start 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.240 to bubble up in those times of challenge, those 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:32.060 times of, you know, you don't see the lower part 00:06:32.060 --> 00:06:34.579 of the iceberg, right? Yes. But also so grateful 00:06:34.579 --> 00:06:36.560 for the opportunities. My doctorate is actually 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:39.100 in epidemiology, which is the study of chronic 00:06:39.100 --> 00:06:41.759 and infectious diseases. Oh, wow. And so I have 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.259 worked in the health field for the last 17 years 00:06:44.259 --> 00:06:46.639 going on 18 years. You know I think as you talk 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:48.500 about just showing up in the quiet leadership, 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.639 I also reflect it back to like the evidence -based 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:52.920 practice of consistency. It's like the magic 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:56.379 happens in those small pieces of showing up and 00:06:56.379 --> 00:06:58.500 doing the things that you love because the byproduct 00:06:58.500 --> 00:07:01.980 of that is getting to do so many things. like 00:07:01.980 --> 00:07:05.639 drop right there. Consistency and doing what 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:07.259 you know doing what you love and what you're 00:07:07.259 --> 00:07:10.139 passionate about. You have been a leader for 00:07:10.139 --> 00:07:13.540 a very very long time. You have a long history 00:07:13.540 --> 00:07:15.800 of leadership and I would love to talk because 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.759 when I think of you and what I've learned about 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:20.459 you even in this short period of time even in 00:07:20.459 --> 00:07:22.899 addition to what I you know us meeting before. 00:07:23.310 --> 00:07:25.870 Quiet leadership is something very prevalent. 00:07:26.009 --> 00:07:27.949 When I think of you, I think of a quiet, very, 00:07:27.990 --> 00:07:30.709 very strong leader. What would you say? This 00:07:30.709 --> 00:07:32.930 was a really fun topic that we started with over 00:07:32.930 --> 00:07:35.370 coffee. What does quiet leadership mean to you? 00:07:35.470 --> 00:07:37.269 And that's very generalized, but I know you're 00:07:37.269 --> 00:07:39.370 going to answer this like a rock star because 00:07:39.370 --> 00:07:42.250 our conversation went very long. So I would love 00:07:42.250 --> 00:07:43.769 like quiet leadership to you. What does that 00:07:43.769 --> 00:07:46.550 mean? Gosh, you know, I think leadership looks 00:07:46.550 --> 00:07:49.670 so different for everyone, but for me, leadership 00:07:49.670 --> 00:07:52.769 has never been about the title or chasing a dog. 00:07:52.620 --> 00:07:56.240 or specifically chasing some sort of outcome. 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:59.199 Really it's been about the people and the impact 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:02.139 and the work. I think that really has sparked 00:08:02.139 --> 00:08:04.620 my passion. But what I love about quiet leadership, 00:08:04.939 --> 00:08:06.639 and many actually don't know this, but I love 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:10.699 growing people. I really love the connection 00:08:10.699 --> 00:08:13.319 and I think just the wonderful relationships 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.120 that I've built over the years and seeing them, 00:08:16.139 --> 00:08:18.759 right? It's like I've seen individuals grow in 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:21.300 their career or in their parenthood in their 00:08:21.300 --> 00:08:24.079 relationships and that I think is the most rewarding 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:26.040 part because leadership to me has been such a 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.939 privilege. But the other factor too is I typically 00:08:28.939 --> 00:08:32.000 don't share, right? You know, I actually had 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:35.360 my daughter so transitioning into this season 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:37.580 I was working in local public health. as many 00:08:37.580 --> 00:08:39.500 know for quite some time, which I absolutely 00:08:39.500 --> 00:08:41.639 love. And, you know, through COVID, the pandemic, 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:44.299 that was like... kind of my jam, right, as we 00:08:44.299 --> 00:08:45.980 think about chronic and infectious diseases. 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:48.679 And, you know, a part of that is really a calling 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:50.840 for more, right, to lead and to be able to show 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:52.820 up in a different space. And actually, I was 00:08:52.820 --> 00:08:56.080 pregnant with my daughter. So in 2020 into 2021, 00:08:56.379 --> 00:08:58.120 when we started, actually, the Women of Influence, 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:00.860 I was not showing at all. Right. And so third 00:09:00.860 --> 00:09:02.940 trimester comes along, which is, you know, fall. 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:05.379 I was poppin'. So she was in my belly at the 00:09:05.379 --> 00:09:07.179 Women of Influence Summit, which was so special. 00:09:07.340 --> 00:09:09.820 I worked and I hustled and I did the things that 00:09:09.820 --> 00:09:12.179 I loved all the way up, actually, until the day 00:09:12.179 --> 00:09:14.149 that I got induced. I worked a regular day. I 00:09:14.149 --> 00:09:16.529 connected with people and yeah, we just kind 00:09:16.529 --> 00:09:18.490 of transitioned. I had my daughter. I started 00:09:18.490 --> 00:09:21.370 actually in my new role as a leader with Central 00:09:21.370 --> 00:09:24.009 Care the following week. So I did not take a 00:09:24.009 --> 00:09:26.570 leave and I just have been kind of in those spaces. 00:09:26.809 --> 00:09:29.990 But it's been quiet because part of it is I just 00:09:29.990 --> 00:09:32.090 do the things that I love, right? I'm consistent. 00:09:32.129 --> 00:09:34.250 I show up and I really think that you also have 00:09:34.250 --> 00:09:36.210 to lead yourself too, right? I agree with that. 00:09:36.289 --> 00:09:39.259 You said it best when we were together. And you 00:09:39.259 --> 00:09:41.919 said, we're just, you and I are people helping 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:44.480 other people. Oh yeah. And one thing that this 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:47.440 generated, the best conversation and this, I 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:49.580 could get me on another soap box. So hopefully 00:09:49.580 --> 00:09:51.320 you won't have to sit and listen to us for another, 00:09:51.539 --> 00:09:55.279 an additional hour, three hours later, but is 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:58.120 customized leadership. So quiet leadership to 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:01.759 me is something so powerful. I think you know, 00:10:01.940 --> 00:10:04.120 okay, this is very generalized, but you know, 00:10:04.220 --> 00:10:06.620 you're meant to lead or you're a great leader. 00:10:07.340 --> 00:10:10.159 when there is quiet leadership. It's best at 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:11.960 times when it's not put on a pedestal. You're 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:14.139 not screaming from the rooftops. You're not putting 00:10:14.139 --> 00:10:17.259 a thing on a sign saying, this is what I'm doing. 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:19.100 This is what I need you to do. I kind of look 00:10:19.100 --> 00:10:21.019 at that as like a management type style. Yeah, 00:10:21.179 --> 00:10:24.379 like a boss. Yeah, like a boss. But then it got 00:10:24.379 --> 00:10:27.460 us talking about what makes us good leaders. 00:10:27.980 --> 00:10:31.509 Yes. And it is the customizing per person. It 00:10:31.509 --> 00:10:34.830 is never going to be the same leading one person 00:10:34.830 --> 00:10:37.690 from the next. And I think the secret sauce, 00:10:37.809 --> 00:10:39.750 and you can kind of dive into this a little bit, 00:10:40.330 --> 00:10:45.210 is really diving into the individual you're leading. 00:10:46.110 --> 00:10:48.929 So customizing, no one person is going to probably 00:10:48.929 --> 00:10:51.269 need the same thing. What motivates everybody 00:10:51.269 --> 00:10:54.720 is a little bit different. What fuels the passion 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:56.460 behind what you do? Everything is going to be 00:10:56.460 --> 00:10:58.600 a little bit different depending on the individual. 00:10:58.779 --> 00:11:02.220 And what's so powerful is when you can quietly 00:11:02.220 --> 00:11:04.940 kind of take a step back and invest in that in 00:11:04.940 --> 00:11:08.379 person. And when I say person, Danny has led 00:11:08.379 --> 00:11:12.580 many, many people, a large team. And I have as 00:11:12.580 --> 00:11:15.440 well, not as big, but I mean... a good amount 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.820 of people. And when you become a really great 00:11:17.820 --> 00:11:19.559 leader, I think it's when you take that large 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:21.919 group number out of it and you invest in individually. 00:11:22.139 --> 00:11:24.879 Oh, so true. I could not agree more. And I think 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.039 that's spot on. You know, everyone's rise to 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:30.779 success through resiliency looks so different. 00:11:30.820 --> 00:11:33.259 And what I've realized over the years is I get 00:11:33.259 --> 00:11:35.960 so much out of asking the right questions, whether 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:38.100 it's to other leaders that are looking to grow 00:11:38.100 --> 00:11:39.940 their own leadership, individuals that I'm working 00:11:39.940 --> 00:11:42.519 with, individuals on my team. And from that, 00:11:42.580 --> 00:11:44.519 it really pushes them into a different space 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:47.159 of accountability right thinking and identifying 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:49.759 what that looks like everybody has a different 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:52.220 season and so I think it's so important to identify 00:11:52.220 --> 00:11:55.100 and evaluate really like what does that look 00:11:55.100 --> 00:11:57.720 like for success for you in this season, right? 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:00.200 Have had the privilege of kind of asking individuals 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:01.960 like, you know, what are your thoughts on this? 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:04.259 How can we push you into this space? Because 00:12:04.259 --> 00:12:06.879 I see their strengths that they don't even see. 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.639 And I think that's an important call out because 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:11.559 sometimes people are either comfortable, which 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:14.200 is totally okay, behind the scenes, right? In 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:16.000 their mind, they might have that imposter syndrome 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:17.740 that pops up, or they might have some of those 00:12:17.740 --> 00:12:19.879 things that say, I'm not going to do this because 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:21.820 other people have done it before me, or I'm not 00:12:21.820 --> 00:12:23.759 going to dive into it because I wouldn't be good 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:26.139 enough. or the fear of failure right so it's 00:12:26.139 --> 00:12:29.600 like failing forward is absolutely okay and encouraged 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:32.200 in that space of resiliency but if you don't 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:35.220 do that it's the what -ifs it's the oh I should 00:12:35.220 --> 00:12:37.620 have done that that almost like hit a little 00:12:37.620 --> 00:12:40.580 harder. I agree with that so connecting building 00:12:40.580 --> 00:12:43.399 trust is what I'm hearing as far as your approach 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.019 that makes you such an incredibly strong leader 00:12:46.019 --> 00:12:48.759 but these are connection pieces tidbits that 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.100 literally could be used in any part of your life 00:12:52.100 --> 00:12:54.769 truly. I think it's wonderful when you take this 00:12:54.769 --> 00:12:57.029 on a personal level or if you own a business 00:12:57.029 --> 00:12:59.950 just to understand the power of connecting with 00:12:59.950 --> 00:13:02.870 people and what that looks like. But the most 00:13:02.870 --> 00:13:05.990 beautiful thing, if you're a leader in any capacity, 00:13:06.429 --> 00:13:09.190 and I mean any, and I even mean coach, a coach 00:13:09.190 --> 00:13:11.710 to a sports team, it's crazy how many times that's 00:13:11.710 --> 00:13:14.590 been brought up in this podcast so much. I was 00:13:14.590 --> 00:13:17.669 a true athlete growing up and these things just, 00:13:17.789 --> 00:13:19.590 they do stick with you. But now as my daughters 00:13:19.590 --> 00:13:22.149 get older, listening and hearing and watching 00:13:22.149 --> 00:13:25.009 the volunteers that coach, it's a special kind 00:13:25.009 --> 00:13:27.820 of leadership. Yeah, and I think people do it 00:13:27.820 --> 00:13:29.720 for the right reasons, right? I'll just throw 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:31.139 it out there that coaches don't make a lot of 00:13:31.139 --> 00:13:33.000 money. It's like pennies, right? Or volunteer, 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:36.539 right? Like I mean for when you're not on like 00:13:36.539 --> 00:13:39.000 a varsity level or collegiate level, so I have 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.299 a lot of respect for sure. Yeah, I think it's 00:13:41.299 --> 00:13:45.039 also important to like... remain, you know, coachable 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:47.080 and adaptable, but also to throughout, you know, 00:13:47.179 --> 00:13:49.240 my professional journey. And just probably over 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:53.179 the last 20 years, I too have hired coaches in 00:13:53.179 --> 00:13:55.899 the professional space and the personal space, 00:13:55.899 --> 00:13:58.299 because sometimes there is the space where you 00:13:58.299 --> 00:14:00.220 need someone that is totally removed from your 00:14:00.220 --> 00:14:02.559 circle to give you that perspective and that 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:04.519 encouragement, but to also have your back in 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:07.379 a way that maybe a family member wouldn't or, 00:14:07.659 --> 00:14:09.000 you know, they just care for you so much that 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:10.799 they don't want to provide you with that constructive 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:13.600 feedback. So really, really. great leaders I 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:15.759 think are always seeking education or to kind 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.259 of betterment of what they give what they you 00:14:18.259 --> 00:14:21.240 know take in and that is something I also have 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:24.019 a mentor business coach and I think it's because 00:14:24.019 --> 00:14:30.000 I'm yearning you're yearning to be a better human. 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:32.019 It's that excellence gene that you have. Yeah, 00:14:32.019 --> 00:14:34.940 on a personal and professional level to validate. 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:37.240 So I love that. Now you talked about, you know, 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:39.200 with leadership, personal and professionally, 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:41.799 there is that messy middle. You know, there's 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:45.000 imposter syndrome. There is times where you think 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:47.519 you're not good enough and everything else in 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:50.059 between the seasons, the seasons, that is going 00:14:50.059 --> 00:14:52.279 to be a podcast episode itself. I love it. You 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:55.759 know, yes. However, Tell me a little bit about 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:57.799 what you speak to with a messy middle what that 00:14:57.799 --> 00:14:59.940 looked like kind of for you I know that you do 00:14:59.940 --> 00:15:01.860 a little bit of coaching on the side as well 00:15:01.860 --> 00:15:05.740 as far as mentoring others And I'm sure that's 00:15:05.740 --> 00:15:08.399 a hot topic because we all have a messy middle 00:15:09.139 --> 00:15:12.039 Absolutely. Yeah, you know, when I think about 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:14.759 the messy middle, for me, I think about that 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:18.600 in stages of my life, right? So leaving out of 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:20.539 high school, I did seek a full -time job and 00:15:20.539 --> 00:15:23.419 I left that job and I had individuals say, oh 00:15:23.419 --> 00:15:25.539 my gosh, you're crazy to go to college and spend 00:15:25.539 --> 00:15:27.399 hundreds of thousands of dollars. You have a 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:29.659 full -time job and insurance, great. But that 00:15:29.659 --> 00:15:31.960 to me was an excellence, right? And so I was 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:34.580 defying what the perception of others. thought 00:15:34.580 --> 00:15:37.799 of me and then in that moment going through college 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:40.779 is also trying to figure out like okay what is 00:15:40.779 --> 00:15:43.159 this next season what do I want all of those 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.080 things and I was always an overachiever too and 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:49.759 a high performer because I again hold myself 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:53.519 to no less but then I continued on and I jumped 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:57.480 into my professional role. So in that space I 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:00.340 think the messy middle was one sometimes you 00:16:00.340 --> 00:16:02.080 can feel like you don't know what you're doing 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.870 and so it's holding on to those characteristics 00:16:04.870 --> 00:16:06.789 of leadership. I think it's getting back to the 00:16:06.789 --> 00:16:08.870 roots and saying, okay, what am I good at? What 00:16:08.870 --> 00:16:11.389 are my strengths? And then figuring out what 00:16:11.389 --> 00:16:13.929 does the evaluation look like? Are you checking 00:16:13.929 --> 00:16:15.870 in with yourself? Are you checking in with others? 00:16:15.970 --> 00:16:18.529 Are you surrounding yourself honestly with the 00:16:18.529 --> 00:16:21.190 right group of people who are interested in excellence 00:16:21.190 --> 00:16:24.309 or growth? Because that can make such a difference 00:16:24.309 --> 00:16:28.590 as well. Yeah, and I think too not even I would 00:16:28.590 --> 00:16:30.309 say getting comfortable. That was a messy middle 00:16:30.309 --> 00:16:32.919 for me. We're kind of coming up into the pandemic, 00:16:33.139 --> 00:16:36.340 I had recognized that I did my schooling. I had 00:16:36.340 --> 00:16:38.860 a great career. I was leading people and loving 00:16:38.860 --> 00:16:41.879 what I was doing. But I never actually took the 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:44.000 time to turn around and be like, oh my gosh, 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:45.659 look at all these wonderful things that you've 00:16:45.659 --> 00:16:48.320 gotten to do. And that was a messy middle for 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:51.039 me. And I had people share with me, oh my gosh, 00:16:51.139 --> 00:16:53.379 you're so lucky and all these things. But what 00:16:53.379 --> 00:16:57.179 they didn't see is. the late nights or the prep 00:16:57.179 --> 00:16:59.320 work or some of the extras that I was doing. 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:01.940 I mean, part of why I love higher education is 00:17:01.940 --> 00:17:04.440 not that I have to do it, but I might hire these 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.140 individuals one day. Right. And so for me, it's 00:17:07.140 --> 00:17:09.519 like shaping the minds and the people and all 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:11.680 that they can bring to the field of health. Right. 00:17:11.740 --> 00:17:13.500 Or the field of whatever they are interested 00:17:13.500 --> 00:17:16.700 in. And then, you know, I think diving into relationships, 00:17:16.980 --> 00:17:18.720 parenthood, all of what that looks like in the 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:20.440 next season. As I mentioned, I didn't take a 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:23.460 maternity leave. So my messy middle was also 00:17:23.460 --> 00:17:26.000 having a child. And what most people don't know 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.359 is we had, you know, a great pregnancy. We had 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:30.799 tried a long time and just had gone through some, 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:33.519 you know, undiagnosed infertility. But upon delivery, 00:17:33.859 --> 00:17:35.819 really resulting in some life -saving procedures 00:17:35.819 --> 00:17:37.859 for both my daughter and I. And I never really, 00:17:37.859 --> 00:17:40.740 like, processed that. And so jumping in, right, 00:17:40.779 --> 00:17:42.940 I'm trying to, like, be the best mom, the best 00:17:42.940 --> 00:17:45.200 wife. I'm trying to heal, right? But I'm also 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:47.299 trying to, like, dive into a new role and lead 00:17:47.299 --> 00:17:49.640 others and, you know, seek to understand, like, 00:17:49.700 --> 00:17:52.200 what are the goals? And I'm, like, pumping, you 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:54.849 know, 10 times a day, too, right? and just like 00:17:54.849 --> 00:17:56.849 up in the middle of the night and eating. But 00:17:56.849 --> 00:17:59.289 that was a messy middle for me because I was 00:17:59.289 --> 00:18:00.990 working like I didn't have a child, right? And 00:18:00.990 --> 00:18:02.609 then I was momming like I didn't have to work. 00:18:02.690 --> 00:18:05.069 And so I was doing both. And so fast forward, 00:18:05.190 --> 00:18:08.509 my daughter will be four in November, which is 00:18:08.509 --> 00:18:11.630 crazy to me. And for those that know her, I mean, 00:18:11.789 --> 00:18:14.970 she is just magic, right? It's like, yes, when 00:18:14.970 --> 00:18:18.049 she enters a room, it is like so honest and pure 00:18:18.049 --> 00:18:21.410 and powerful. It is like... amazing. But also 00:18:21.410 --> 00:18:24.049 too, it's like she needs me in different seasons 00:18:24.049 --> 00:18:27.339 as well. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. You said, I kind of, 00:18:27.500 --> 00:18:29.140 I know where this is going to go and I want to 00:18:29.140 --> 00:18:31.259 share kind of like the next step in the why. 00:18:31.420 --> 00:18:33.140 Being in the messy middle can be really lonely 00:18:33.140 --> 00:18:35.400 is something that we talked about. It can truly 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:39.480 be lonely because as a leader, you know, we do 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:41.460 naturally and unnaturally, just sometimes you 00:18:41.460 --> 00:18:44.200 have to put on game face, you know, and walk 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.599 into a room. A friend of mine this actually weekend 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:50.380 had quoted Zig Ziglar like said, don't kick the 00:18:50.380 --> 00:18:51.839 cat. And he's like, have you heard of that? And 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:53.900 I do love Zig Ziglar, but I hadn't heard of that. 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:57.240 And what he's referencing is, as a leader, it 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:00.400 can be really difficult because you walk in a 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:03.170 room. OK, let's just say. Danny walks in a room. 00:19:03.769 --> 00:19:06.910 Danny walks in a room after getting into, let's 00:19:06.910 --> 00:19:10.089 say, a car accident. Your car is messed up. You 00:19:10.089 --> 00:19:11.950 know, you're kind of frazzled. You're whatever. 00:19:12.190 --> 00:19:14.930 You come into the door at work, push the door 00:19:14.930 --> 00:19:17.910 open, you're stomping through. You say, is the 00:19:17.910 --> 00:19:20.690 coffee not done? To like an employer or coworker. 00:19:20.829 --> 00:19:23.789 You go in your office and then that person is 00:19:23.789 --> 00:19:26.190 frantic. That person goes to the coffee. Why 00:19:26.190 --> 00:19:28.349 isn't it done? And well, he or she is making 00:19:28.349 --> 00:19:30.589 coffee. They're flustered and mad. All of a sudden, 00:19:30.609 --> 00:19:32.549 they took it the wrong way. And then they're 00:19:32.549 --> 00:19:36.690 like, I don't have paper in the printer. I'm 00:19:36.690 --> 00:19:39.329 making coffee, but I need to go print this. And 00:19:39.329 --> 00:19:41.269 then will you print this for me to the next person 00:19:41.269 --> 00:19:43.210 in the break room? And then that person goes 00:19:43.210 --> 00:19:46.529 off, goes to the printer. And that's where there's 00:19:46.529 --> 00:19:48.589 no paper in the copier. And then it's one thing. 00:19:48.670 --> 00:19:50.630 And then the last person, I guess, kicks the 00:19:50.630 --> 00:19:54.470 cat. And it's like, it is. What that message 00:19:54.470 --> 00:19:56.869 is, is the first, you're the person. You are 00:19:56.869 --> 00:19:58.069 the person, whether you're a business owner, 00:19:58.130 --> 00:20:00.390 a leader, a mom, you know, at times you walk 00:20:00.390 --> 00:20:03.210 into the room and you put the front on. And so 00:20:03.210 --> 00:20:06.069 that can be difficult. It can be difficult. It 00:20:06.069 --> 00:20:09.109 can be challenging, very challenging. You might 00:20:09.109 --> 00:20:11.890 be the one running through the door, but if you're 00:20:11.890 --> 00:20:13.589 a great leader, you're mindful of what that looks 00:20:13.589 --> 00:20:16.210 like. And sometimes that can be lonely. So when 00:20:16.210 --> 00:20:17.930 you surround yourself or give yourself a mentor 00:20:17.930 --> 00:20:19.930 or someone, or surround yourself with the right 00:20:19.930 --> 00:20:23.240 people who will elevate you in your circle, That 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:25.559 was something that we talked about for quite 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:28.420 a while that I really, really loved. And I think 00:20:28.420 --> 00:20:32.119 this could be... Something for anybody listening 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:35.079 truly, you know, we have the friends we have 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:36.880 a little many many different friends Talk about 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:39.319 that a little bit you had talked about surround 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:42.180 yourself with that circle that will elevate you 00:20:42.180 --> 00:20:46.799 and maybe Allow you to on your heart. Mm -hmm. 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.220 Yeah as I think about that It's it's not that 00:20:49.220 --> 00:20:51.460 you're like withholding information, right? I 00:20:51.460 --> 00:20:52.819 think sometimes people like oh my gosh Why don't 00:20:52.819 --> 00:20:54.539 you tell me or why don't you say anything or 00:20:54.539 --> 00:20:57.059 why didn't you know and a part of it is? Leadership 00:20:57.059 --> 00:20:59.519 can be lonely if you let it right and so it's 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:01.650 connecting with leaders that either have different 00:21:01.650 --> 00:21:03.470 strengths or characteristics than you do that 00:21:03.470 --> 00:21:05.410 you can learn from and that they'll continue 00:21:05.410 --> 00:21:07.630 to guide you, or it's individuals that you can 00:21:07.630 --> 00:21:09.970 lean into knowing confidently, hey, I need to 00:21:09.970 --> 00:21:12.769 just talk about this and I need to, you know. 00:21:12.990 --> 00:21:15.450 run it by somebody and seek some constructive 00:21:15.450 --> 00:21:18.130 feedback. I think feedback is such a powerful 00:21:18.130 --> 00:21:20.970 tool as well. But on the other side, it's the 00:21:20.970 --> 00:21:23.390 circle that will elevate you. It's the circle 00:21:23.390 --> 00:21:26.289 that they're also striving for excellence. And 00:21:26.289 --> 00:21:28.190 somebody that's like, oh my gosh, if you could 00:21:28.190 --> 00:21:30.349 just see you, I think that is a powerful tool. 00:21:30.529 --> 00:21:32.589 And actually, probably a little over 10 years 00:21:32.589 --> 00:21:34.589 ago, I started telling people that. I started 00:21:34.589 --> 00:21:37.589 being really intentional, whoever I connected 00:21:37.589 --> 00:21:42.440 with. your impact on me is this or here's what 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:45.200 I appreciate about you because part of that gratitude 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:48.039 is so magical when you think about just growth 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:50.500 and development and these people that are showing 00:21:50.500 --> 00:21:53.160 up in these spaces consistently right they don't 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:55.000 even know that they're bringing the magic the 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.480 influence and that impact in the professional 00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:59.599 world we talk about like being high reliable 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.359 right and so define that is performance as intended 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:05.740 consistently over time right and so if you do 00:22:05.740 --> 00:22:08.579 that that will get you the outcome but it's the 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:10.539 journey and the outcome, that is the growth. 00:22:11.140 --> 00:22:12.559 And, you know, there are things that, you know, 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.339 for me, I lean into friends, mentors, coaches, 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:17.420 individuals in different spaces, because a part 00:22:17.420 --> 00:22:20.240 of that is, for example, my husband, fantastic, 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:22.619 he is my biggest cheerleader, right? When I throw 00:22:22.619 --> 00:22:25.579 out an idea, right, his mind is like, oh, we 00:22:25.579 --> 00:22:26.839 could do this, we could do this, and then we 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:28.160 could do this, you know, and he's already got 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:29.900 the business plan in his mind. And I'm like, 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:32.960 hold on, this is just an idea that I'm like, 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:34.700 spitting out of my mouth for the first time ever, 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:36.519 right? And so some of those things I do need 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:39.319 to hold on to, He's so, so supportive, which 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:42.220 obviously love him for that. But it's also. you 00:22:42.220 --> 00:22:44.559 know lonely and it can be isolating. So in leadership 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:46.079 roles I think you know you have to make some 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:47.859 really tough decisions about people that you 00:22:47.859 --> 00:22:50.200 really care about and that's the hard part. That's 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:51.960 what people like don't see under the iceberg 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:54.480 and at the end of the day we are all humans just 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:56.880 trying to do the best that we can. Amen to that. 00:22:57.200 --> 00:22:59.640 We are all human. Self -development is really 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:05.460 critical and this is on like you said on a career 00:23:05.460 --> 00:23:08.140 side but also on a personal level. Yeah I think 00:23:08.140 --> 00:23:10.099 the last thing that I think of in that space 00:23:10.099 --> 00:23:11.920 is like you know Simon's that it talks about 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:14.180 like, what a privilege it is to lead people. 00:23:14.259 --> 00:23:16.740 And in my mind, I would flip that and I say, 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:19.920 what a privilege it is to care for people, right? 00:23:20.180 --> 00:23:22.279 And guide them and push them because they're 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:24.480 probably not even seeing the opportunities of 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.079 how they can show up. That is something diving 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:29.740 into someone's strengths and seeing them to their 00:23:29.740 --> 00:23:33.220 core is actually a superpower. Love that about 00:23:33.220 --> 00:23:35.599 you, Danny. I did I got that from when we first 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:38.359 talked and I think that connected me deeper with 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:42.019 you Because that is a gift, you know It's hard 00:23:42.019 --> 00:23:44.519 to tell you know to your own horn and say but 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:46.619 that is something that is a gift for you And 00:23:46.619 --> 00:23:48.799 I think you're myself that when you are able 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:51.259 to see people to the core and on a surface level 00:23:51.259 --> 00:23:53.160 But what they bring to the table, that's it's 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:55.259 kind of little movement. I've been working on 00:23:55.259 --> 00:23:59.099 online too because It's powerful. It seems a 00:23:59.099 --> 00:24:01.380 little cheesy on social media But honestly if 00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:03.859 you really think about when someone were to post 00:24:03.859 --> 00:24:07.559 a picture of themselves a that's hard be putting 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.619 your strengths and your core values Just sitting 00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:12.839 down and writing those out and then tying it 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:15.640 to you and your photo is a really powerful thing. 00:24:15.940 --> 00:24:19.119 So Anyways, I also think when I saw that and 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:21.400 I love that I'm just seeing people share their 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:23.950 own as I'm like Moving into this next chapter, 00:24:23.970 --> 00:24:25.710 I have more time for that, which I'm very excited 00:24:25.710 --> 00:24:28.589 about. But I also think that sometimes individuals 00:24:28.589 --> 00:24:31.369 don't even see themselves in that, right? Like 00:24:31.369 --> 00:24:33.369 I could say, oh my gosh, how I see you, Lindsay. 00:24:33.529 --> 00:24:35.269 I know like over the years I've dropped you notes. 00:24:35.349 --> 00:24:37.269 I'm like, gosh, what you're building, what you're 00:24:37.269 --> 00:24:39.390 creating, here's what I see, you know? And it's 00:24:39.390 --> 00:24:41.769 important to share that, but also to believe 00:24:41.769 --> 00:24:45.109 it, right, to your core. And that is tricky sometimes. 00:24:45.329 --> 00:24:48.190 I have a business mentor that at one point said 00:24:48.190 --> 00:24:50.269 to me, because I said one of the things I want 00:24:50.269 --> 00:24:52.559 to work on for this year is stepping into my 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:54.839 confidence. I'm a bit of a pushover, is what 00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:58.640 I meant, as far as sometimes in leadership. And 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.480 I know where we need to go. I know what I want 00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:05.720 to do. But I feel like pushover. When you lead 00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:08.420 in your own business, rather than when I was 00:25:08.420 --> 00:25:11.559 at my previous career, it is a little bit more 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:14.819 difficult to stand in your confidence. At times, 00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:16.940 I know what I want done. I know what I want the 00:25:16.940 --> 00:25:20.339 outcome, but to stand in your values and everything 00:25:20.339 --> 00:25:22.480 is that's a little bit easier. It's like the 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:25.460 day to day. So I said, what I would like to do 00:25:25.460 --> 00:25:27.980 for this year is write it down and I'm going 00:25:27.980 --> 00:25:30.700 to stand in my confidence. And he said to me, 00:25:30.890 --> 00:25:33.309 What do you mean? I don't know where you're getting 00:25:33.309 --> 00:25:35.690 that from. He goes, from what I'm seeing, you 00:25:35.690 --> 00:25:39.009 are confident. You are moving forward. You are 00:25:39.009 --> 00:25:42.029 getting things done and your voice a reason in 00:25:42.029 --> 00:25:45.170 a good way. And so I'm not sure what's triggering 00:25:45.170 --> 00:25:48.230 that for you, but it was a really powerful conversation. 00:25:48.829 --> 00:25:52.049 I guess moral of this story is it's a really 00:25:52.049 --> 00:25:54.339 wonderful to. surround yourself with the right 00:25:54.339 --> 00:25:57.339 people but also do not hesitate on a personal 00:25:57.339 --> 00:25:59.799 or career to reach out to someone just to have 00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:02.220 this conversation to talk to on a personal or 00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:03.200 professional level. I think that can lead a lot 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.819 of people to burn out too right if they're isolating 00:26:05.819 --> 00:26:08.160 and they're lonely and this can differ whether 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.000 individuals are enjoying things or not right 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.759 that's a totally separate conversation but I'm 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:14.799 glad he said that to you I know I'm glad he said 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:17.319 that to you it was actually I've had a few people 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:21.059 there are certain things with mentors that I've 00:26:21.059 --> 00:26:23.359 met with over the years that have stuck with 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:25.680 me to my core and actually that was one of them 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:28.819 because you know for me I have dealt with imposter 00:26:28.819 --> 00:26:31.220 syndrome over the years. We all have, yeah. you 00:26:31.220 --> 00:26:33.140 know and there are times where you're afraid 00:26:33.140 --> 00:26:35.359 to fail or you're maybe second guessing yourself 00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:38.839 or you want to be people pleaser to everyone 00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:41.759 and that's okay but in the moment that we had 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:44.160 this conversation and i had to sit back and really 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.359 reflect on what had occurred in the last like 00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:48.599 month six months a year and i was like you know 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:51.720 that was a valid question and it did it that 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:53.980 alone made me stand a little bit more confidently 00:26:53.980 --> 00:26:56.960 so i was painting Can I ask you a question? Just 00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.859 in thinking about that, I think as leaders, it 00:26:59.859 --> 00:27:02.779 can also be challenging because we are failing 00:27:02.779 --> 00:27:05.640 openly. We're not failing behind the scenes. 00:27:06.380 --> 00:27:08.859 How does that show up for you in that space? 00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:12.420 I love this question. Just curious. I actually, 00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:16.119 so failing openly. tell everyone in my team included 00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:18.940 I'm pretty much an open book. There are a lot 00:27:18.940 --> 00:27:22.980 of things you know over let's say 2024 as a business 00:27:22.980 --> 00:27:25.539 owner that was difficult it was really challenging. 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:29.839 And I had to navigate emotions and navigate, 00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:33.799 you know, my outlets and whatnot. But I'm an 00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:37.859 open book to just speak the truth. I'm not here 00:27:37.859 --> 00:27:39.660 to sugarcoat if I don't need to. If you want 00:27:39.660 --> 00:27:41.799 me to tell you, you know, I remember someone 00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:44.059 saying, how's business? Oh my gosh, you guys 00:27:44.059 --> 00:27:46.440 are doing so good. And it was so hard for me. 00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:49.799 I have nothing to complain about as far as my 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.400 staff, the people, our customers are incredible. 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:54.720 But it was an emotional rollercoaster every year, 00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:56.980 you know, economy -wise. and whatnot. And I remember 00:27:56.980 --> 00:28:00.940 just being like, you know, like what do you say? 00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:03.839 Cause I can't, I'm not really good at just faking. 00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:06.980 Yeah. Which I said, you know what I said, we're 00:28:06.980 --> 00:28:10.200 having a slower year, but our team is incredibly 00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:12.799 busy and we're creating and we're doing, and 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.680 which is the a hundred percent truth. And so 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:20.920 feeling on the outside to me, Guess that's a 00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.019 catch -22 question and maybe this is we're going 00:28:23.019 --> 00:28:25.640 with because I'm an open book at them my ups 00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:27.960 and downs and I would tell anyone I would lay 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:30.940 my books out there for anyone to see I'm not 00:28:30.940 --> 00:28:32.559 afraid of telling you what I'm good at or what 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:35.940 I'm not good at However on days where it is hard 00:28:35.940 --> 00:28:39.490 and it is challenging as a leader I sometimes 00:28:39.490 --> 00:28:43.670 do put a pretty strong wall up when I want to 00:28:43.670 --> 00:28:45.890 protect everybody else. So there's where if you 00:28:45.890 --> 00:28:47.329 hold it in too long, it gets a little bit lonely. 00:28:47.750 --> 00:28:49.609 But that was a very powerful question. But how 00:28:49.609 --> 00:28:51.369 about for you? I'm going to ask you that same. 00:28:51.650 --> 00:28:54.750 Yeah. I think I realized this kind of when I 00:28:54.750 --> 00:28:56.950 was about halfway through my career. I'm a stuffer, 00:28:57.049 --> 00:28:59.289 right? So like, one challenge is hard, right? 00:28:59.289 --> 00:29:02.029 I face it head on. And I think one of the qualities 00:29:02.029 --> 00:29:04.529 that I possess and that I love about myself is 00:29:04.529 --> 00:29:07.490 my resilience, right? And I think that is essential. 00:29:08.269 --> 00:29:12.009 But in that, it is the showing up for the others 00:29:12.009 --> 00:29:13.990 and really, again, laying yourself on the line, 00:29:14.069 --> 00:29:15.769 right? You know, I've said, I will die on this 00:29:15.769 --> 00:29:18.509 hill, you know? And for those that know me, right? 00:29:18.529 --> 00:29:20.829 In my leadership roles, I don't take no BS. I 00:29:20.829 --> 00:29:22.109 don't know if I can swear on here, but anyway. 00:29:22.089 --> 00:29:24.869 Part of that is also sticking up for them and 00:29:24.869 --> 00:29:27.069 really making sure that you're leading with grace 00:29:27.069 --> 00:29:28.769 and kindness. Hopefully that's what your team 00:29:28.769 --> 00:29:32.190 would provide back to you. But I think too it 00:29:32.190 --> 00:29:34.849 is being open to that vulnerability and that 00:29:34.849 --> 00:29:37.049 is something as a leader I do struggle with to 00:29:37.049 --> 00:29:39.049 be honest. That was challenging for me in the 00:29:39.049 --> 00:29:40.940 Women of Influence Summit. you know just sharing 00:29:40.940 --> 00:29:44.559 yeah sharing my story and um kind of sharing 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.599 a little bit of who i am aside from work right 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.220 because that can consume us if you let it but 00:29:50.220 --> 00:29:53.400 for me i want to be a person a mom a wife a leader 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:56.559 i want to be all of those things and it is sometimes 00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.279 hard to do it well i think it's a work in progress 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:01.299 yeah it's like a harmony it is because there's 00:30:01.299 --> 00:30:03.720 been different seasons for me with this and what 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.140 that looks like i remember at my previous credit 00:30:06.140 --> 00:30:09.240 union career man did we have some up and down 00:30:09.259 --> 00:30:12.319 I led a team and a couple of different teams. 00:30:13.850 --> 00:30:16.809 Don't know we connected deeper when you are vulnerable 00:30:16.809 --> 00:30:20.049 and you just you know speak the truth and and 00:30:20.049 --> 00:30:23.109 work together in moving forward in whatever that 00:30:23.109 --> 00:30:26.950 capacity is and I think the same for the boutique 00:30:26.950 --> 00:30:29.869 the people that I'm so fortunate to work alongside 00:30:29.869 --> 00:30:32.369 I always say they're like my family Yeah, my 00:30:32.369 --> 00:30:34.950 ride or dies like I will when you have given 00:30:34.950 --> 00:30:37.710 your time here and believe in the bigger mission 00:30:37.710 --> 00:30:40.470 and purpose I will bend over backwards for you. 00:30:40.470 --> 00:30:42.859 Yeah There are still the day -to -day. There's 00:30:42.859 --> 00:30:45.420 still, you know, the keeping the lights on. There's 00:30:45.420 --> 00:30:48.339 still the tasks, the late nights. That's your 00:30:48.339 --> 00:30:50.339 messy middle, right? Yeah, the messy middle when 00:30:50.339 --> 00:30:52.920 we have events and we're running a million miles 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.579 an hour. So I believe that from the beginning, 00:30:57.059 --> 00:31:02.210 they've been invested in the real. I think 2024 00:31:02.210 --> 00:31:05.569 took a little bit for me to kind of get vulnerable 00:31:05.569 --> 00:31:08.710 and really come to terms with like how to handle 00:31:08.710 --> 00:31:11.950 that on a personal level, owning my own business 00:31:11.950 --> 00:31:14.329 type thing. That was different, very different. 00:31:14.410 --> 00:31:17.289 So I say that's a different season. So I'm super 00:31:17.289 --> 00:31:20.089 grateful for this team. I'm grateful for my ulits. 00:31:20.150 --> 00:31:23.289 I'm grateful for my mentor. And I'm grateful 00:31:23.289 --> 00:31:26.430 for my friends who just have like in the best 00:31:26.430 --> 00:31:31.359 timing ever make you. laugh so silly and make 00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:33.579 memories when you need them the most. So it's 00:31:33.579 --> 00:31:35.259 pretty awesome. Yeah, they're showing up for 00:31:35.259 --> 00:31:37.559 you. Yeah, absolutely. So, okay, we're gonna 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:40.119 take it back to your little cute daughter. Yes. 00:31:40.380 --> 00:31:44.059 So you have played a very strong leadership role 00:31:44.059 --> 00:31:47.619 for so long and this part of our conversation 00:31:47.619 --> 00:31:49.779 over coffee got a little bit vulnerable. When 00:31:49.779 --> 00:31:52.019 you told me a little bit about your next step 00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:55.579 and your daughter and your why. So tell me a 00:31:55.579 --> 00:31:58.869 little bit about your why. in that conversation, 00:31:58.910 --> 00:32:00.710 what your daughter said before going downstairs. 00:32:01.609 --> 00:32:04.150 I'm never going to forget that because I completely 00:32:04.150 --> 00:32:07.930 understand. Completely. Yeah. So what I said 00:32:07.930 --> 00:32:10.390 to you about like kids also need you differently 00:32:10.390 --> 00:32:13.509 in different seasons. And, you know, I didn't 00:32:13.509 --> 00:32:15.789 take a maternity leave. I was hustling. And I 00:32:15.789 --> 00:32:17.910 think the hard part is really loving and liking 00:32:17.910 --> 00:32:20.829 what you do. Right. It makes it harder to step 00:32:20.829 --> 00:32:23.109 away because you want to continue leading and 00:32:23.109 --> 00:32:25.150 striving for that excellence. But as a business, 00:32:25.230 --> 00:32:27.779 right, there will always be an hour. a bottom 00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:29.599 line right that you're striving for and you can 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.359 always be better but in that moment you know 00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:34.779 my messy middle as I've transitioned over the 00:32:34.779 --> 00:32:38.319 last you know four years is I you know put in 00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:40.400 the time on weekends late nights you know working 00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.380 seven days a week and and I don't regret it yeah 00:32:43.380 --> 00:32:47.019 but I think a part of that is having the flexibility 00:32:47.019 --> 00:32:49.799 and adjusting to be at everything which I have 00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.059 absolutely loved so I have not felt like I've 00:32:52.059 --> 00:32:56.390 missed out at all but also not being able to 00:32:56.390 --> 00:32:59.170 lead myself first, right? So whether we, in our 00:32:59.170 --> 00:33:01.009 household, we talk about not necessarily self 00:33:01.009 --> 00:33:02.769 -esteem, but we talk about health -esteem. So 00:33:02.769 --> 00:33:04.369 like, how do you feel? How do you feel? Like, 00:33:04.829 --> 00:33:06.410 yeah, are you taking care of yourself? Are you 00:33:06.410 --> 00:33:08.970 feeling well? And that's really important as 00:33:08.970 --> 00:33:11.910 you grow young minds and young people. Addison, 00:33:11.950 --> 00:33:14.529 certainly at a younger age, she doesn't see how. 00:33:14.970 --> 00:33:17.549 much I'm working, right? And even in her younger 00:33:17.549 --> 00:33:19.589 spaces, she's come to the classroom with me when 00:33:19.589 --> 00:33:22.349 I was in person more often if she was sick or 00:33:22.349 --> 00:33:24.089 something like that. And she's been coming to 00:33:24.089 --> 00:33:25.609 board meetings with me since she's been four 00:33:25.609 --> 00:33:28.369 months old. That's crazy. And she comes to work 00:33:28.369 --> 00:33:30.230 with me before I drop her off at school sometimes. 00:33:30.369 --> 00:33:32.269 For me, it's the harmony, right? I wouldn't necessarily 00:33:32.269 --> 00:33:35.069 call it balance, but she loves that and I'm showing 00:33:35.069 --> 00:33:37.829 her how I want to show up, how I want to do things 00:33:37.829 --> 00:33:40.730 and influencing her in such a way. Fast forward 00:33:40.730 --> 00:33:42.769 as she gets older and more outspoken and she 00:33:42.769 --> 00:33:45.710 is totally a leader as well. She was on a break 00:33:45.710 --> 00:33:47.789 and my in -laws love them, certainly help us 00:33:47.789 --> 00:33:49.809 out. I was working from home a portion of the 00:33:49.809 --> 00:33:51.950 day and I came up to get a cup of coffee in my 00:33:51.950 --> 00:33:53.549 like two minutes, right? Because I'm deciding 00:33:53.549 --> 00:33:54.950 I'm like, hey, do I have to go to the bathroom 00:33:54.950 --> 00:33:56.670 or like do I grab another cup of coffee? Before 00:33:56.670 --> 00:33:59.869 you're on the next Zoom call. Yes, yes. And I 00:33:59.869 --> 00:34:02.450 will just remember her so vividly being like, 00:34:02.470 --> 00:34:04.470 mom, are you done? And I'm like, no, I just have 00:34:04.470 --> 00:34:06.170 a couple more meetings. And by that I mean like 00:34:06.170 --> 00:34:07.930 five, right, as we think about like stacked. 00:34:08.670 --> 00:34:10.809 And all really great work and wonderful people, 00:34:10.949 --> 00:34:12.789 right? But it was in that moment that she was 00:34:12.789 --> 00:34:15.309 like, mom, just... don't go don't jump on the 00:34:15.309 --> 00:34:20.110 meeting just don't go downstairs yeah and her 00:34:20.110 --> 00:34:24.730 recognizing that and i was like huh okay and 00:34:24.730 --> 00:34:26.550 in that moment i didn't have the opportunity 00:34:26.550 --> 00:34:28.329 to be like no i'm just not going to do that but 00:34:28.329 --> 00:34:30.969 i'm like okay it hit you hard oh my gosh really 00:34:30.969 --> 00:34:34.369 yes yes and it hit me hard when you said she 00:34:34.369 --> 00:34:36.630 said mommy please don't go downstairs and i was 00:34:36.630 --> 00:34:39.869 like oh i we both got teary -eyed because i've 00:34:39.869 --> 00:34:43.090 been in a position just similar. And I think 00:34:43.090 --> 00:34:44.949 that's what actually, not to cut you off, but 00:34:44.949 --> 00:34:47.550 that's what led me to move forward and taking 00:34:47.550 --> 00:34:49.809 the leap of faith and leaving my previous career 00:34:49.809 --> 00:34:52.309 to go all in. And it was important. The timing 00:34:52.309 --> 00:34:54.170 of it was very important. And we also talked 00:34:54.170 --> 00:34:57.530 about that a little bit. We did. Yeah. And I'll 00:34:57.530 --> 00:34:59.829 just, I'll never forget her voice, right? And 00:34:59.829 --> 00:35:02.030 a part of leading yourself first is also listening 00:35:02.030 --> 00:35:05.769 and I'm listening to that. And I've loved the 00:35:05.769 --> 00:35:08.090 work that I've done and the teams that I've led. 00:35:08.090 --> 00:35:11.099 And it has been so powerful and empowering. and 00:35:11.099 --> 00:35:13.920 part of that is like to the bigger collective 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.920 impact when you think about health and community. 00:35:16.179 --> 00:35:18.739 But I also love being a mom more. That's amazing. 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:24.079 Yeah. That's amazing. Well... So now you're onto 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.800 kind of a new journey. And from the first time 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:29.539 we met for coffee till now, you've actually transitioned 00:35:29.539 --> 00:35:32.639 pretty, kind of taken a huge leap. So tell me 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.840 a little bit about what's next for you. What 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.519 does that transition look like? And now what? 00:35:39.699 --> 00:35:43.059 Yeah. So in all areas of my work, I've always 00:35:43.059 --> 00:35:45.780 said the number one thing is being intentional, 00:35:45.780 --> 00:35:48.500 like how you show up, what you do, how you connect 00:35:48.500 --> 00:35:50.780 with people. And I'm just being really intentional. 00:35:50.699 --> 00:35:53.780 like with my time with you know how I connect 00:35:53.780 --> 00:35:57.340 with my daughter and it was funny because I didn't 00:35:57.340 --> 00:35:59.360 openly like broadcast like hey oh my gosh I'm 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.260 moving on you know because I did have people 00:36:01.260 --> 00:36:03.840 when I provided my notice say like oh my gosh 00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:06.260 where are you going which is yeah so kind and 00:36:06.260 --> 00:36:08.699 thoughtful I've loved it which makes it bittersweet 00:36:08.699 --> 00:36:11.599 of course I'm really taking a step back and being 00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:15.429 intentional and reevaluating like what does success 00:36:15.429 --> 00:36:18.869 look like for me in this season. And when my 00:36:18.869 --> 00:36:21.110 daughter wakes up and says, mom, do we get to 00:36:21.110 --> 00:36:23.969 stay home today? I can say yes. And so in this 00:36:23.969 --> 00:36:26.570 last Monday, it was actually just such a wonderful 00:36:26.570 --> 00:36:28.949 day. We eased into the weekend, kind of transitioning, 00:36:29.010 --> 00:36:30.650 and it was bittersweet, right? Just a roller 00:36:30.650 --> 00:36:32.510 coaster. Because on Friday, you said was your 00:36:32.510 --> 00:36:35.550 last day. Oh, well, by the time this airs, I 00:36:35.550 --> 00:36:37.349 think it'll be about two weeks. But nonetheless, 00:36:37.530 --> 00:36:40.429 on Friday was your last day of your career of 00:36:40.429 --> 00:36:43.969 how many years again? 17. 17 years. Yeah. and 00:36:43.969 --> 00:36:45.949 I think that's the hard part right because you 00:36:45.949 --> 00:36:48.550 know you work and you hustle and you really enjoy 00:36:48.550 --> 00:36:51.670 the work and I love the organization and so I 00:36:51.670 --> 00:36:53.449 tell people I'm like if I'm ready or when I'm 00:36:53.449 --> 00:36:55.809 ready like I would totally go back you know but 00:36:55.809 --> 00:36:57.949 in this season I'm just being so intentional 00:36:57.949 --> 00:37:01.730 with time and I'm also giving myself space to 00:37:01.730 --> 00:37:04.329 rest. I have not rested in such a period. I can't 00:37:04.329 --> 00:37:06.969 imagine how you feel when you get that rest and 00:37:06.969 --> 00:37:09.630 you're just completely and fully it'll be it's 00:37:09.630 --> 00:37:12.090 a different season I bet it's gonna look and 00:37:12.090 --> 00:37:13.559 feel a little different. maybe than what you'd 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.599 imagine and I bet you it's gonna be even better 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.920 than you could ever imagined also. I agree. But 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.360 you said that you eased into the weekend though. 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.860 Yes. And then you said on Monday you had a really 00:37:23.860 --> 00:37:25.880 incredible day with your daughter. Yeah we just 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.920 woke up and we were just able to be and so for 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.039 high achievers and high performers right it's 00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.380 like always one thing to the next right so it's 00:37:33.380 --> 00:37:35.320 like bringing her to work with me or you know 00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:38.139 taking a call beforehand or again adjusting and 00:37:38.139 --> 00:37:41.039 it's like I don't want that for her. I want to 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:43.119 take it at her pace, right? And so just leaning 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:45.800 in and listening in, we have had such an incredible 00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:49.380 week or in this time frame with the transition. 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.599 slowing things down. We're actually working on 00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:54.739 a couple of projects which have just been really 00:37:54.739 --> 00:37:57.739 fun like leaning into doing other things just 00:37:57.739 --> 00:37:59.960 before she you know goes back to school in the 00:37:59.960 --> 00:38:03.019 fall which seems crazy. It does. But yeah and 00:38:03.019 --> 00:38:05.039 a part of it is also leaning into the unknowing 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.739 which I really love. There have been some things 00:38:07.739 --> 00:38:09.380 on my heart and just really things that I've 00:38:09.380 --> 00:38:12.539 been wanting to work on over the years but I've 00:38:12.539 --> 00:38:14.739 really been leaning into other things right and 00:38:14.739 --> 00:38:16.960 other people which have you know certainly served 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:21.809 me. So yeah I'm just kind of letting my be in 00:38:21.809 --> 00:38:24.269 the season. That's for someone who is a high 00:38:24.269 --> 00:38:27.559 achiever. Yeah, it's hard. That is incredibly 00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.559 hard. This is actually probably even for like 00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:33.440 your, you know, if coaching is still something 00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:36.000 that you'll do on the side or in your future 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:39.360 as a leader and now as leader, you know, but 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:42.559 this is gonna like elevate your entire leadership 00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:46.000 with this moment right here to give back to others 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.360 to get out of that messy middle I think. And 00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.800 I think too partly is having the courage and 00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.360 being brave enough to actually act on that, you 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:56.840 know. On that day when Edison was like, Mom, 00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.780 just don't get on the meeting. Don't go downstairs. 00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:04.139 That was so hard for me. And I'm like, OK, I'm 00:39:04.139 --> 00:39:06.280 listening. I'm done. But also wanting my teams, 00:39:06.300 --> 00:39:08.699 obviously, to be very successful in this transition. 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:13.019 The other thing is like. As I think about what 00:39:13.019 --> 00:39:15.199 is next, I'll still connect with the same people. 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:16.940 I told people, I'm not dying. I'm not moving 00:39:16.940 --> 00:39:19.159 away. I'm still here. And certainly for those 00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.400 areas that bring you so much joy, you do still 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:23.519 naturally stay connected. You cannot want to 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:25.960 be connected. Absolutely. Yeah. I love that. 00:39:26.179 --> 00:39:28.159 Okay. So let's kind of wrap it up with a couple 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.280 of general questions that you would give to someone 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.500 else. What would you say to someone who is successful 00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:37.619 in paper, maybe a higher achiever, but quietly 00:39:37.619 --> 00:39:41.599 craving change? Yes. Such a good one. I probably 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.840 would ask the question of what of right now is 00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:47.599 bringing you joy? Is bringing you or filling 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:50.239 you with gratitude? So what are you doing now? 00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:51.980 Because it's likely that that person has gotten 00:39:51.980 --> 00:39:54.460 to a stage for some reason or another, right? 00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:59.239 Yes, yep. Secondarily to that, what has changed 00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.860 since? if you're imagining this, right? It's 00:40:02.860 --> 00:40:05.159 like you can look at the same image and different 00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:06.679 people will have different interpretations of 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:08.440 that. But I think in different seasons, you look 00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:11.000 at one image, fast forward, you look at the same 00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:13.420 image, the image hasn't changed, you have, right? 00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:15.719 And so you just look at it so differently in 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:18.159 just pushing that reevaluation, you know, asking 00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:20.780 your questions. And so my friend Amanda, who 00:40:20.780 --> 00:40:22.840 she has written a book and she also does a podcast 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.159 and she's phenomenal, but she talks about accountability, 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:28.420 which I love so much because you can be accountable 00:40:28.420 --> 00:40:30.440 to others, but you also have to be accountable 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.199 to... Right. Love that. Absolutely. That's huge. 00:40:33.219 --> 00:40:36.360 Yeah, and and and difficult. It's hard to do. 00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:39.500 It is hard. Yeah. All right. Next question. What's 00:40:39.500 --> 00:40:41.719 one leadership belief you want to pass on to 00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:45.260 the next generation? Oh, you know this is deep 00:40:45.260 --> 00:40:47.139 and I feel like we could talk about this. Yes, 00:40:47.139 --> 00:40:49.539 we could. In many directions. You know at a high 00:40:49.539 --> 00:40:52.650 level. I will say, and I don't know if this is 00:40:52.650 --> 00:40:54.429 a word or not, everything is figure -outable. 00:40:55.010 --> 00:40:57.530 Amen to that. Everything is figure -outable. 00:40:57.590 --> 00:41:00.530 A mic drop. Yes. Yeah. Yep. It is. There's a 00:41:00.530 --> 00:41:02.909 lot of pressure. I think for the different generations, 00:41:03.150 --> 00:41:05.829 one can have their belief in how it's good or 00:41:05.829 --> 00:41:08.630 bad, you know, or whatever that looks like, I 00:41:08.630 --> 00:41:10.710 guess. But I think there is a lot of pressure 00:41:10.710 --> 00:41:14.130 regardless. Yep. I say that actually a lot for 00:41:14.130 --> 00:41:16.949 those even I'm training in. It's pretty incredible 00:41:16.949 --> 00:41:19.809 that we have new people coming in to White Pony 00:41:19.809 --> 00:41:23.030 Boutique and they want to just do so well. And 00:41:23.030 --> 00:41:25.329 they're like, I'll get a phone call with something 00:41:25.329 --> 00:41:28.210 didn't work maybe perfectly, which is fantastic. 00:41:28.289 --> 00:41:30.469 Like as someone owning a business, that's what 00:41:30.469 --> 00:41:32.489 you'd pray for. But I just said, you know what? 00:41:32.489 --> 00:41:35.230 It's okay. Like I'm here to give grace through 00:41:35.230 --> 00:41:37.469 and through and through, because I remember being 00:41:37.469 --> 00:41:41.010 in certain situations as I grew up where I, you 00:41:41.010 --> 00:41:43.530 know, you think life's over and this and that, 00:41:43.690 --> 00:41:45.010 because you don't want to get in trouble or. 00:41:45.190 --> 00:41:48.070 You want to be perfect. I had perfectionism. 00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:50.579 my whole entire life and that was a struggle. 00:41:50.860 --> 00:41:53.860 So just I kind of have taken that in and tried 00:41:53.860 --> 00:41:57.500 to give grace where I can. So generationally 00:41:57.500 --> 00:41:59.019 I think to take a little bit of pressure off 00:41:59.019 --> 00:42:01.000 to say it's all figure -outable. I literally 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.099 say that. Also as a leader, right, you're creating 00:42:03.099 --> 00:42:05.840 such an environment for them to feel safe in 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.079 failing and I think that is also essential. Whereas 00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:11.219 again some people will say I can't fail, I can't 00:42:11.219 --> 00:42:14.260 fail, but failing can be so good, right? And 00:42:14.260 --> 00:42:16.539 it doesn't mean that it's diminished you. I mean 00:42:16.539 --> 00:42:18.599 if you learned something and and really took 00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:21.440 something out of that moment to apply, that's 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.800 the magic. Exactly what you took from that moment 00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:26.980 and how you move forward is what is gonna make 00:42:26.980 --> 00:42:31.619 or break. So yes, absolutely. Okay, now I know 00:42:31.619 --> 00:42:34.500 you're gonna be in a season of being present, 00:42:34.739 --> 00:42:36.960 being with your daughter, being with your family, 00:42:37.699 --> 00:42:43.039 but if listeners, because you have such an incredible... 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.800 style of leadership. You are so incredibly like 00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.179 passionate about talking leadership and giving 00:42:50.179 --> 00:42:53.599 back even to the schools and whatnot. If somebody 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:56.639 here listening would like to follow you in any 00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.559 capacity, support or connect with you, how should 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.460 they do that? I would say probably Instagram 00:43:02.460 --> 00:43:05.219 is easiest, right? Instagram I mean for those 00:43:05.219 --> 00:43:07.059 most people are connected with me in some way, 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.179 right? So it's either you know phone phone number 00:43:09.179 --> 00:43:12.000 or email but I am definitely going to stay connected 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.900 to a couple of passion projects that I'll be 00:43:14.900 --> 00:43:17.920 sharing along the way. I will be waiting in the 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.539 wind. Yes, and leaning in, right? Because it's 00:43:20.539 --> 00:43:22.239 really leaning into those people that are in 00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.300 your circle to say, hey, here's this piece of 00:43:25.300 --> 00:43:28.539 you or yourself. And that is so important. So 00:43:28.539 --> 00:43:31.119 that's really what I'll be doing and taking it 00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.480 more in short spurts. Because the seasonality 00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:35.420 will change, but I'm just going to enjoy it, 00:43:35.420 --> 00:43:37.760 honestly. Oh, that is so good. Well, Dani, thank 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.400 you for showing us that leadership doesn't have 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.860 to be. allowed to be impactful. It just has to 00:43:41.860 --> 00:43:44.199 be true. Your story reminds us that there is 00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:46.960 a deep strength in stillness, boldness, and letting 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.860 go, and power in choosing purpose over comfort. 00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.119 Whether you're in a season of leading, shifting, 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.659 or simply searching for what's next, I hope this 00:43:55.659 --> 00:43:57.619 conversation encouraged you to trust your voice, 00:43:58.019 --> 00:44:01.059 honor your own pace, and believe that quiet courage 00:44:01.059 --> 00:44:03.260 can take you exactly where you're meant to go. 00:44:03.690 --> 00:44:06.590 I'm so grateful to have had this conversation 00:44:06.590 --> 00:44:10.170 with Danny, and I know without a doubt her next 00:44:10.170 --> 00:44:12.429 chapter will be just as impactful as everything 00:44:12.429 --> 00:44:14.690 she's already built. Thank you Danny and friends 00:44:14.690 --> 00:44:17.550 for listening. 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