WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.940 Welcome to Leveling Up with Lindsay, the podcast 00:00:02.940 --> 00:00:05.080 where we dive into leadership, small business, 00:00:05.259 --> 00:00:07.740 and everything in between. I'm Lindsay, your 00:00:07.740 --> 00:00:10.060 host and the proud owner of White Peony Boutique, 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:13.199 a space created to empower women, build confidence, 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:15.880 and foster meaningful connections. Whether you're 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:18.620 an entrepreneur, a mom, a friend, or someone 00:00:18.620 --> 00:00:21.420 just looking for a little inspiration, This is 00:00:21.420 --> 00:00:24.539 your space to feel seen, supported, and inspired. 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:27.679 Join me as we share stories, strategies, and 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:30.059 a little bit of life's chaos while navigating 00:00:30.059 --> 00:00:32.640 what it truly means to level up in starting a 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:35.100 business, relationship, and personal growth. 00:00:35.420 --> 00:00:38.439 So grab a cup of coffee, get comfy, and let's 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:42.079 level up together. Today we're here with Megan 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:45.399 Miller, an executive coach, a self -employed 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:49.500 entrepreneur, a mom of two, a wife and a really 00:00:49.500 --> 00:00:52.159 good friend of mine. So welcome Megan. Thank 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:55.060 you so much. I'm so happy to be here. Megan plays 00:00:55.060 --> 00:00:57.500 so many roles and a little bit of what I want 00:00:57.500 --> 00:01:02.229 to talk today is juggling everything. juggling 00:01:02.229 --> 00:01:04.549 everything. When Megan and I get together, maybe 00:01:04.549 --> 00:01:07.170 with a glass of wine or two, we could sit and 00:01:07.170 --> 00:01:10.250 honestly talk to people and all the things for 00:01:10.250 --> 00:01:12.829 hours. We got kicked out of the last place we 00:01:12.829 --> 00:01:16.230 stayed. It was like a Tuesday night. We sat on 00:01:16.230 --> 00:01:18.829 the sidewalk and just kept going. We just moved 00:01:18.829 --> 00:01:21.549 the conversation from one spot to another. When 00:01:21.549 --> 00:01:24.010 you say quick dinner conversation, it's not. 00:01:24.069 --> 00:01:27.469 She's here on a lunch, probably. I am. This is 00:01:27.469 --> 00:01:30.450 my lunch break. So we got to move it. OK, Megan, 00:01:30.530 --> 00:01:33.510 tell us a little bit about yourself. Yeah. Well, 00:01:33.510 --> 00:01:35.909 you always make me feel so much fancier than 00:01:35.909 --> 00:01:37.670 I actually am. So I'll just tell you a little 00:01:37.670 --> 00:01:39.750 bit about me. I'm a revenue enablement manager 00:01:39.750 --> 00:01:42.769 at a local organization here at Instacloud. I'm 00:01:42.769 --> 00:01:46.439 a communication coach. a sales coach, a friend. 00:01:46.819 --> 00:01:48.579 How does my list keep going? I'm just like going 00:01:48.579 --> 00:01:51.120 through your list here. And honestly, when you 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:53.180 asked me to do this podcast, like what is it? 00:01:53.219 --> 00:01:58.480 Two days ago. I am so selective with my time 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:01.180 and you know, yes Yeah, and so like I go through 00:02:01.180 --> 00:02:03.459 this mental practice Am I gonna get energy from 00:02:03.459 --> 00:02:06.040 the interaction or am I gonna give energy? So 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:08.900 I'm like anytime I have with Lindsey I get energy. 00:02:08.900 --> 00:02:12.520 So I'm like carve it out. I need it I will put 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:14.639 you on a pedestal because every time I'm with 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:18.759 Megan I have hired Megan as a photographer who 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:22.370 is One of the best, and I always say whenever 00:02:22.370 --> 00:02:25.490 I leave, when I'm with you, I'm in a business 00:02:25.490 --> 00:02:27.710 where we do a lot of photography and I actually 00:02:27.710 --> 00:02:30.270 do not love being behind the camera. It's uncomfortable. 00:02:31.169 --> 00:02:35.930 Why? She loves it. Megan makes you feel so incredible. 00:02:35.949 --> 00:02:38.789 And I think that's the person you are. I also 00:02:38.789 --> 00:02:41.430 look forward to being with you because I just 00:02:41.430 --> 00:02:44.129 know we're going to laugh. You radiate energy. 00:02:44.330 --> 00:02:46.689 You make people feel so good. I would say you're 00:02:46.689 --> 00:02:49.539 also, I could set a friend coach earlier. because 00:02:49.539 --> 00:02:51.139 as we're sitting here, she's like, you can do 00:02:51.139 --> 00:02:53.319 it. I can't hold back. You know, like you've 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.360 been given this gift to coach and there's really 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:57.360 just no boundaries on where it stops. It just 00:02:57.360 --> 00:02:59.840 follows me where I go. And I believe that you 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:02.219 have been given a gift to coach. So that is something 00:03:02.219 --> 00:03:05.080 that you bring to the table. And honestly, when 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:07.539 Megan and I sit and talk about leadership and 00:03:07.539 --> 00:03:10.659 people, she gives me a list of about 20 books 00:03:10.659 --> 00:03:13.419 that I need to read. That's true. I have notes 00:03:13.419 --> 00:03:16.800 in my phone specifically for when I meet with 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:18.939 Megan because I know I'm to come out of it with 00:03:18.939 --> 00:03:21.900 takeaways. As far as people goes, let's talk 00:03:21.900 --> 00:03:24.139 a little bit about that. So if there's one thing 00:03:24.139 --> 00:03:26.620 I know that Megan brings to the table, it is 00:03:26.620 --> 00:03:29.479 definitely coaching people. You have some incredible 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:32.680 people skills. It is one topic that I could literally, 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:35.460 like I said, talk about for hours. But where 00:03:35.460 --> 00:03:37.979 Megan, along your career, along the lines, did 00:03:37.979 --> 00:03:40.840 you feel like you found kind of your niche, if 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:43.219 that's what you want to claim it? I kind of did 00:03:43.219 --> 00:03:46.620 that for you, but where along the lines would 00:03:46.620 --> 00:03:50.419 you? you started feeling very comfortable. Yeah, 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:53.199 you know, I feel like I stumbled upon both my 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:56.759 business and I stumbled upon coaching. At the 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:59.900 organization I'm currently with, I was in a recruiting 00:03:59.900 --> 00:04:03.099 role for seven years. And so my role was to talk 00:04:03.099 --> 00:04:05.500 to people day in, day out and find the best match 00:04:05.500 --> 00:04:07.939 for them. So I think I just really sharpened 00:04:07.939 --> 00:04:10.699 my skill and ability to listen. Yes. And ask 00:04:10.699 --> 00:04:13.199 the right questions and dig a little bit deeper. 00:04:13.300 --> 00:04:16.120 And then the pivot from recruiting to revenue 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:19.269 enabled. is I could bring people in the organization, 00:04:19.389 --> 00:04:21.949 but I wanted to make an impact on their experience 00:04:21.949 --> 00:04:24.610 when they were with us. This role became available 00:04:24.610 --> 00:04:28.209 and it was really about how to align some of 00:04:28.209 --> 00:04:30.170 the tools and resources we had to make sure that 00:04:30.170 --> 00:04:32.970 they were equipped to handle. And so it just 00:04:32.970 --> 00:04:35.009 was a natural fit with the relationships I had 00:04:35.009 --> 00:04:37.290 built for seven years. And so now for the last 00:04:37.290 --> 00:04:40.879 three years, my role has been coaching. over 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:44.300 70 of our managers and directors. First, it was 00:04:44.300 --> 00:04:46.139 to leverage the marketing tools that we have 00:04:46.139 --> 00:04:49.420 and now it has been more so involved to the entire 00:04:49.420 --> 00:04:52.699 sales process and how we coach, communicate and 00:04:52.699 --> 00:04:55.910 challenge and how we use questions. to help our 00:04:55.910 --> 00:04:58.430 employees self -discover for themselves. I will 00:04:58.430 --> 00:05:00.769 say like, you know, I've had the opportunity 00:05:00.769 --> 00:05:03.410 with Megan a few times and after our last photography 00:05:03.410 --> 00:05:07.290 session, we sat and had lunch and you know, you 00:05:07.290 --> 00:05:10.029 ask exactly what you're explaining. You ask the 00:05:10.029 --> 00:05:12.870 perfect questions and I can sit and see you. 00:05:13.209 --> 00:05:15.709 Your listening is incredible because I can see 00:05:15.709 --> 00:05:17.670 your brain like spinning as you're listening 00:05:17.670 --> 00:05:19.930 to every single little word I'm saying. Like 00:05:19.930 --> 00:05:22.709 you're very zoned in. Listening skills for any 00:05:22.709 --> 00:05:25.430 type of leader or professional or individual. 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:30.180 on a personal level is actually far more important 00:05:30.180 --> 00:05:32.259 than I think people give credit to. Don't you 00:05:32.259 --> 00:05:34.439 believe? Oh, I can spend our whole time talking 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:37.620 about this. Literally. I think what people often 00:05:37.620 --> 00:05:39.860 miss, like they get so caught up in what they're 00:05:39.860 --> 00:05:43.339 going to say next that they actually miss what's 00:05:43.339 --> 00:05:46.240 being said. I don't have the magic question. 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.339 So oftentimes my managers will be like, where's 00:05:48.339 --> 00:05:50.220 your list of questions? I'm like, I don't have 00:05:50.220 --> 00:05:53.360 them. I do have some go tos that help challenge, 00:05:53.500 --> 00:05:56.439 but mostly it's me listening to who I'm talking 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:59.160 to and building off of that thread until we've 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:04.100 gotten to the core. So, yeah, listening is a 00:06:04.100 --> 00:06:07.439 skill. And I highly recommend it. It's just like 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:10.040 a tiny muscle that needs to be worked over and 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:12.040 over again. People think that's, like, if you 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.319 looked at, like, your competencies, listening, 00:06:15.540 --> 00:06:17.699 you would just think it's like, okay. Easy, simple. 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.839 It's like you listen. Are you listening to respond 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:23.439 or are you listening to understand? Yeah. And 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:25.740 like, how do you wear that? How do you wear that 00:06:25.740 --> 00:06:29.220 lens? I love that. So I guess I would take that 00:06:29.220 --> 00:06:31.459 as a little bit of vice, but for anybody, what 00:06:31.459 --> 00:06:34.319 would you say, like working on that muscle, like 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:36.660 you said, or listening to understand, how do 00:06:36.660 --> 00:06:38.600 you work on that? How do you do better? Oh my 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:41.100 gosh. Well, OK, so let's actually, can we pull 00:06:41.100 --> 00:06:43.339 it back to like leadership and the mentality 00:06:43.339 --> 00:06:46.620 of leadership? So we talked about this before, 00:06:46.779 --> 00:06:50.540 but I believe leadership is a mindset. It's not 00:06:50.540 --> 00:06:54.259 a title. You don't have to manage people to lead 00:06:54.259 --> 00:06:56.259 them. That's going to be its own podcast. Just 00:06:56.259 --> 00:06:58.339 the two of us, whether you think you're a leader 00:06:58.339 --> 00:07:00.399 or don't think you're a leader. I also always 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:02.620 say this. You don't have to be in a position 00:07:02.620 --> 00:07:04.339 that says you're a manager, a leader, whatever 00:07:04.339 --> 00:07:06.480 that entails. It's actually in your life, your 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.540 personal life. But anyways, go on because I'll 00:07:09.540 --> 00:07:11.800 say it like, I mean, I say informal leader, but 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:13.860 you can be a leader in your home. So whether 00:07:13.860 --> 00:07:16.360 you are a stay at home mom, which like kudos, 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.060 it's the hardest job out there and doesn't get 00:07:19.060 --> 00:07:22.250 enough praise and recognition. your sacrifice 00:07:22.250 --> 00:07:24.589 and everything. You can be a leader in your home. 00:07:24.689 --> 00:07:26.810 You can be a leader with your friends. You can 00:07:26.810 --> 00:07:28.490 be a leader in your family. You can be a leader 00:07:28.490 --> 00:07:31.009 on your team. Just because you're a manager does 00:07:31.009 --> 00:07:33.949 not mean you are leading your people. And so 00:07:33.949 --> 00:07:36.930 people often confuse those two. I agree. I couldn't 00:07:36.930 --> 00:07:39.350 agree with you more. The number I feel like a 00:07:39.350 --> 00:07:41.370 mistake that organizations make, and this is 00:07:41.370 --> 00:07:43.230 just like going back to my recruiting days, is 00:07:43.550 --> 00:07:46.230 They often will say, this is the best performer 00:07:46.230 --> 00:07:49.269 we have. So they naturally are going to be the 00:07:49.269 --> 00:07:52.949 next manager that we have. And the problem is, 00:07:52.949 --> 00:07:55.430 when you're a leader, it shifts. It's no longer 00:07:55.430 --> 00:07:59.670 about you. Mic drop. I say that is exactly what 00:07:59.670 --> 00:08:04.470 I say. Look at us. No, honestly, that's exactly 00:08:04.470 --> 00:08:07.930 what I say every time I said, for some people, 00:08:08.389 --> 00:08:11.029 the hardest adjustment when you move into a leadership 00:08:11.029 --> 00:08:15.519 role. is it is no longer about you. Yeah. Simple 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.779 as that and I think well and that's simple. Yeah, 00:08:18.779 --> 00:08:23.259 it's big and the mentality shift of letting go 00:08:23.259 --> 00:08:27.279 of your desire to control the outcome or how 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:29.980 you get to the outcome and that's hard like going 00:08:29.980 --> 00:08:32.100 into a meeting being like I know what Lindsey 00:08:32.100 --> 00:08:34.559 means and I know what she needs to say and I 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:36.879 know what tools and I know what cadence and when 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:40.200 Letting go of that and then asking you questions. 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:42.360 That's where behavior change happens. There's 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:45.320 commitment And then there's compliance. Compliance 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:47.139 is, okay, I'm going to tell you what you need 00:08:47.139 --> 00:08:49.500 to do, Lindsay. And you're going to say, okay, 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:50.659 I'm going to do it because I'm going to get Megan 00:08:50.659 --> 00:08:55.379 off my back. Whereas commitment is where I get 00:08:55.379 --> 00:08:57.139 you to a place where you're like, this is what 00:08:57.139 --> 00:08:59.379 I need to do. And this is the why behind it. 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:01.620 And that's where you see the behavior change. 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:04.039 And that's where you get the buy in. It's like 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:07.299 buying into the process. Yeah. So. Back to listening 00:09:07.299 --> 00:09:10.240 and leadership, becoming a leader and developing 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:13.860 that leadership skillset. Listening is top one 00:09:13.860 --> 00:09:17.779 to three on the list of necessary strengths or 00:09:17.779 --> 00:09:19.580 values that you bring to the table. And there 00:09:19.580 --> 00:09:21.299 might be times we all fumble a little bit and 00:09:21.299 --> 00:09:23.679 you might leave a conversation or you might leave 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:27.139 a little interview or a meeting and think, wow, 00:09:27.139 --> 00:09:28.980 I maybe could have done a little differently. 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.620 Being mindful about the situation is so, so, 00:09:32.620 --> 00:09:37.000 so important, but That is one thing that you 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:40.279 absolutely excel. I don't often say that about 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:42.779 leaders that I've coached as well, that they're 00:09:42.779 --> 00:09:44.960 just fantastic listeners. Like it isn't just 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:46.820 something that's on top of my mind all the time 00:09:46.820 --> 00:09:49.340 either, but that is something that you absolutely 00:09:49.340 --> 00:09:51.480 bring to the table. Thank you. Gosh, you're just 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:54.200 making me feel so good. Is this what I do when 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:56.440 you're in front of the camera? Wait until we 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:58.980 talk photography because I will go on and on. 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:03.000 So you had talked about like leaving an interaction 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.320 and thinking, I wish I would have done that better. 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:09.919 I believe that the best communicators and the 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.179 best leaders and the best managers and honestly 00:10:12.179 --> 00:10:15.000 just the best people. leave almost every interaction 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:16.659 and think, what could I have done differently? 00:10:17.299 --> 00:10:20.399 So that next level, when you have like mastered 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:22.759 your ability to communicate, you no longer are 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:24.820 dependent on how somebody else shows up in the 00:10:24.820 --> 00:10:27.860 conversation. You set the conditions, you get 00:10:27.860 --> 00:10:30.279 ahead of problems before they become problems. 00:10:30.340 --> 00:10:33.059 And then at the end, you're reflecting. And the 00:10:33.059 --> 00:10:35.659 theme of feedback, you say what you see. So I 00:10:35.659 --> 00:10:37.899 don't know if you've read the book, this is gonna, 00:10:37.980 --> 00:10:39.340 you knew this was gonna happen. Everyone get 00:10:39.340 --> 00:10:42.399 a pen and paper out or write it in your notes 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:47.730 on your phone. Radical candor. Yes, I have. Oh 00:10:47.730 --> 00:10:49.789 my gosh. This is where my heart, I could talk 00:10:49.789 --> 00:10:52.450 leadership all freaking day long and radical 00:10:52.450 --> 00:10:55.690 cantor, I did. Did you really? Oh my gosh, we've 00:10:55.690 --> 00:10:58.250 never talked about this. So I teach radical candor 00:10:58.250 --> 00:11:00.669 often. And if I was going to teach it just like 00:11:00.669 --> 00:11:03.330 in a really simple format, it's your ability 00:11:03.330 --> 00:11:06.110 to communicate, give feedback while caring personally 00:11:06.110 --> 00:11:08.049 and challenging directly. And there's like four 00:11:08.049 --> 00:11:11.210 quadrants. So there's high caring or low caring. 00:11:11.429 --> 00:11:13.929 And then there's staying silent or challenging 00:11:13.929 --> 00:11:15.730 directly. So there's four different ways you 00:11:15.730 --> 00:11:17.629 can handle it. So if Lindsey. was going to do 00:11:17.629 --> 00:11:20.450 her very first podcast and she had spinach in 00:11:20.450 --> 00:11:24.110 her teeth if I was going to challenge directly 00:11:24.110 --> 00:11:26.470 but I forgot to care personally I might shout 00:11:26.470 --> 00:11:28.389 in front of the whole store like hey Lindsey 00:11:28.389 --> 00:11:31.009 you got spinach in your teeth The good news is 00:11:31.009 --> 00:11:33.149 Lindsay knows she has spinach in her teeth so 00:11:33.149 --> 00:11:35.789 she can get rid of it. The bad news is I didn't 00:11:35.789 --> 00:11:37.490 really care personally and it probably made her 00:11:37.490 --> 00:11:39.590 feel defensive and a little uncomfortable. The 00:11:39.590 --> 00:11:42.789 other quadrant is if I cared so much then I'm 00:11:42.789 --> 00:11:45.590 like oh my gosh if I tell Lindsay that she has 00:11:45.590 --> 00:11:48.009 spinach in her teeth she's gonna feel so embarrassed 00:11:48.009 --> 00:11:50.690 and I feel so badly that I'm not gonna say anything. 00:11:50.730 --> 00:11:53.929 Most people fall in this quadrant. This is ruinously 00:11:53.929 --> 00:11:56.909 empathetic. No change happens even though your 00:11:56.909 --> 00:11:59.049 intention was really good and that's a problem 00:11:59.049 --> 00:12:01.759 we sit there. so long that we swing into obnoxious 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.639 aggression when it's time. Then there's manipulative 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:07.039 insincerity, and that would be if I saw you and 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:10.159 I said, oh my gosh, Lindsey has spinach in her 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:11.539 teeth, and then I turn around to everyone, I'm 00:12:11.539 --> 00:12:14.090 like, did you guys just see Lindsey? And then 00:12:14.090 --> 00:12:16.649 we have radical candor, which would be, Lindsay, 00:12:16.669 --> 00:12:18.389 I know you would do this for me. You're about 00:12:18.389 --> 00:12:20.889 to step into one of the most important things 00:12:20.889 --> 00:12:23.350 that you're going to do in 2025. You have spinach 00:12:23.350 --> 00:12:25.590 in your teeth, and I wanted you to know. In private. 00:12:25.889 --> 00:12:27.769 So that means I've cared personally and challenged 00:12:27.769 --> 00:12:31.110 directly. So I use that a lot to gauge how we 00:12:31.110 --> 00:12:33.710 communicate with each other. We rate it. We say, 00:12:33.830 --> 00:12:36.509 scale of 1 to 10. How do you do in caring personally? 00:12:36.909 --> 00:12:39.830 1 to 10. How do you challenge directly when reviewing 00:12:39.830 --> 00:12:42.809 emails? And then we role play. how to change 00:12:42.809 --> 00:12:45.110 it. I think we should figure out how to put the 00:12:45.110 --> 00:12:47.870 book in a link in the show notes. We'll do that. 00:12:47.990 --> 00:12:50.789 Yeah. Kim Scott. I love her. Kim Scott. Yes. 00:12:50.809 --> 00:12:52.889 She's awesome. I should have worn orange to represent 00:12:52.889 --> 00:12:54.490 her today. You look beautiful in the blue. Thank 00:12:54.490 --> 00:12:56.470 you. Thank you. We're here representing spring. 00:12:56.970 --> 00:12:58.549 Mindfulness. Let's talk a little bit about that. 00:12:58.710 --> 00:13:00.509 Everything that you're talking about right there. 00:13:00.789 --> 00:13:04.350 One thing that I've been asked many times, Lindsay, 00:13:04.470 --> 00:13:06.509 are you ever going to be satisfied? And that 00:13:06.509 --> 00:13:10.269 is a very broad question. I think sometimes I 00:13:10.269 --> 00:13:14.039 reflect in pretty much all areas. Meetings, leaving 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:16.700 this like you're just saying, interviews, interactions, 00:13:17.220 --> 00:13:19.299 employee moments, a little bit of everything. 00:13:19.379 --> 00:13:23.940 But for me, there's always a little bit of room 00:13:23.940 --> 00:13:27.000 for improvement. Now that does not mean I'm not 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.720 satisfied and incredibly grateful and loved the 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:32.820 interaction. When we have big events at White 00:13:32.820 --> 00:13:37.419 Pony Boutique, every single little moment, I 00:13:37.419 --> 00:13:39.940 reflect on that and look to see how we can kind 00:13:39.940 --> 00:13:42.500 of level up. It doesn't mean I wasn't satisfied. 00:13:42.659 --> 00:13:46.240 I was so thrilled and so happy, but I do believe 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.799 being very mindful is important because there 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:50.620 are little takeaways that you can get with an 00:13:50.620 --> 00:13:53.220 interview, with an interaction after an event. 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:55.120 There's always a little bit of adjustment. There 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:57.799 is a space to celebrate. We should be celebrating 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.940 when things go well. I could not agree more. 00:14:01.059 --> 00:14:03.360 I have a coach and I have had a coach. He lives 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.200 in Scotland. So it's... I forgot about a Scotland 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.919 coach. Chris Mar, another shout out authoritative 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:12.110 coach by the book. need it. He's been coaching 00:14:12.110 --> 00:14:15.690 me for the past three years and for me I'll tell 00:14:15.690 --> 00:14:18.169 him about a celebration or a compliment and it 00:14:18.169 --> 00:14:21.190 always ends with okay so what's your takeaway 00:14:21.190 --> 00:14:23.490 from that or what's one thing you would change 00:14:23.490 --> 00:14:26.570 or yes or when someone compliments him he like 00:14:26.570 --> 00:14:29.230 never just takes us as a compliment if I'm like 00:14:29.230 --> 00:14:31.429 Chris you've changed my life he's like tell me 00:14:31.429 --> 00:14:34.580 the one thing that stood out the most. Why? Yeah, 00:14:34.659 --> 00:14:36.440 tell me that. And he's so good at it. And I feel 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:38.039 like there's some good and there is a little 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:40.059 bit of bad. I think sometimes we do just need 00:14:40.059 --> 00:14:43.259 to take a compliment, celebrate a win. And I 00:14:43.259 --> 00:14:46.120 am guilty that I need to take a moment and get 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.340 excited. And it's not that I'm not, but I might 00:14:48.340 --> 00:14:51.200 need to shout out loud to others a little bit 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:54.340 more, like deep reflect. So I get like even. 00:14:55.150 --> 00:14:57.690 I'm not sobbing in the car ride, but there are 00:14:57.690 --> 00:14:59.669 times where I'm like, the sun is shining and 00:14:59.669 --> 00:15:02.250 my whole body is full of gratitude. I love that 00:15:02.250 --> 00:15:04.669 so much. Like I take these moments, but it doesn't 00:15:04.669 --> 00:15:06.750 mean I say them out loud all the time. A friend 00:15:06.750 --> 00:15:08.149 of mine is like, do you ever shut that little 00:15:08.149 --> 00:15:10.129 hamster wheel off of yours? Because you're like, 00:15:10.529 --> 00:15:14.009 next. No. Next. But I don't want to discredit 00:15:14.009 --> 00:15:18.009 gratitude and taking the moments and celebrating 00:15:18.009 --> 00:15:23.580 the wins. being mindful and reflecting is a really 00:15:23.580 --> 00:15:27.019 powerful tool as a leader. Do you think, now 00:15:27.019 --> 00:15:29.159 I'm gonna ask you questions. Okay. Do you think 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:31.919 that is just a trait that shows up when you are 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:35.240 like about yourself? So when you're talking about 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:37.899 like... leave an event because when I look at 00:15:37.899 --> 00:15:41.259 you and I review your post and you are just like 00:15:41.259 --> 00:15:43.840 pouring and oozing out gratitude for everyone 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.840 and the community and the people that work here. 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:49.440 Do you think that is maybe just something you 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:51.840 put on yourself? It might be. You know, that 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:53.700 is funny. Some people I'm like, God, I don't 00:15:53.700 --> 00:15:55.720 want to be too cheesy or whatever, but this is 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:59.480 me. Like, it's literally it is authentic. And 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:02.899 when you see a social media post or I want to 00:16:02.899 --> 00:16:06.159 jump on and do a quick little video. It's who 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:10.980 I am. I think I've been put in positions to really 00:16:10.980 --> 00:16:14.679 make you appreciate the small thing. I grew up 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:18.759 from the most incredible family who loved me 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:21.600 with their whole hearts. You see it! I love her 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:25.840 mom! So I'm such a number one fan. I just, there's 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:27.779 just been, I think she actually is part of the 00:16:27.779 --> 00:16:30.679 reason why I love heart. Like our love and I 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.000 am very passionate about what I do. I'm passionate 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:36.220 about my circle. I would do anything for you. 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:39.279 I have so much gratitude, but I've also had moments 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:45.519 of anxiety, of fumbling, of... of some Hard times, 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:47.740 you know losing my father -in -law unexpectedly 00:16:47.740 --> 00:16:50.440 that I've really changed a perspective even more 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:53.440 I think I've always been a very passionate person 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:57.320 I've always loved very hard, but I think some 00:16:57.320 --> 00:16:59.080 of those moments really make you look at life 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:00.980 a little differently Everything could always 00:17:00.980 --> 00:17:03.360 be worse when I talk about things like that because 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:05.400 you know being part of the Indy Foundation You 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:08.079 see different perspectives that really make you 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:10.619 channel gratitude speaking of gratitude or talk 00:17:10.619 --> 00:17:13.420 about how cold it was and I'm like I know everyone's 00:17:13.420 --> 00:17:16.210 saying that But we've had so much sunshine. Yeah. 00:17:16.930 --> 00:17:19.269 See, look at you. I know. But it's like legit. 00:17:19.789 --> 00:17:22.990 I am not all the time, but I'm like, I just drive 00:17:22.990 --> 00:17:25.369 in a couple of winters where I'm like, I need 00:17:25.369 --> 00:17:28.890 sun or I'm going to lose my biscuits. Yes. Lose 00:17:28.890 --> 00:17:32.470 my biscuits. Don't do that. I love saying that 00:17:32.470 --> 00:17:35.069 was such a lose my biscuits. We talked about 00:17:35.069 --> 00:17:37.190 listening, mindfulness, Megan and I could talk 00:17:37.190 --> 00:17:39.650 for hours. I think naturally we just talk about 00:17:39.650 --> 00:17:42.390 leadership and I just want to make sure and reiterate, 00:17:42.609 --> 00:17:44.269 it's not about leadership in a career setting 00:17:44.269 --> 00:17:47.450 all the time. It's in your personal life as well. 00:17:48.009 --> 00:17:50.890 There is one thing that I know with Megan and 00:17:50.890 --> 00:17:53.950 I really try on my own is leading with authenticity 00:17:53.950 --> 00:17:58.490 and being very genuine about your message. I've 00:17:58.490 --> 00:18:00.829 had a few things in my life where my mom is like, 00:18:00.849 --> 00:18:03.859 Lindsay. just be you it's okay and it's kind 00:18:03.859 --> 00:18:06.140 of shown me that little birdie in the back of 00:18:06.140 --> 00:18:08.759 my head and my mom which I'm so grateful for 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:11.400 but I have had to channel that at times where 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:13.819 I question myself or think too much into something 00:18:13.819 --> 00:18:16.859 and I'm like nope just be me just be me you know 00:18:17.069 --> 00:18:19.390 I'm not for everyone, but I'm okay with it. And 00:18:19.390 --> 00:18:20.890 sometimes that comes with a little bit of age, 00:18:21.450 --> 00:18:23.589 a little bit of background, a little bit of career, 00:18:23.829 --> 00:18:26.069 a little bit of everything. Authenticity is, 00:18:26.069 --> 00:18:27.890 this is what you're going to get. I love that 00:18:27.890 --> 00:18:30.569 about you. You send me the goofiest snaps sometimes. 00:18:30.690 --> 00:18:32.589 You're like, this is just what I'm feeling in 00:18:32.589 --> 00:18:34.720 this moment right now. And I love it. I think 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:37.579 that as leaders, authenticity is so important 00:18:37.579 --> 00:18:40.460 for connection and vulnerability. Vulnerability. 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:42.180 Yes. It goes hand in hand. You're right. We can 00:18:42.180 --> 00:18:44.420 just keep going down these hurdles. But I think 00:18:44.420 --> 00:18:46.779 that in terms of authenticity, it doesn't give 00:18:46.779 --> 00:18:50.980 you the permission to just show up with the wrong 00:18:50.980 --> 00:18:53.900 energy. And what I mean by that is I actually 00:18:53.900 --> 00:18:56.799 asked a question. So if you have... there's a 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.900 performative nature to being a leader or a coach. 00:18:59.960 --> 00:19:03.220 If you've had the longest day ever here and then 00:19:03.220 --> 00:19:05.519 you had an event and maybe some things went wrong 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:07.819 and your kids FaceTimed you, you get a FaceTime 00:19:07.819 --> 00:19:09.940 from Tenley, how are you going to show up on 00:19:09.940 --> 00:19:13.240 that call? Right. No, I'm just kidding. This 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:15.319 is not rhetorical. I'm coaching. You're actually 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.480 asking me. OK, so I get that. There are times 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:21.299 I'm exhausted and I get on the call with Tenley 00:19:21.299 --> 00:19:23.319 and you kind of have to trigger that. You kind 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:25.579 of have to dig deep. Sometimes it's a little 00:19:25.579 --> 00:19:27.859 fakey to make it. Why? Why would you show up 00:19:27.859 --> 00:19:30.440 that way for her? Well, first of all, energy 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.980 is very contagious. Step one. And I don't want 00:19:33.980 --> 00:19:37.339 to like take my exhaustion and lay it out on 00:19:37.339 --> 00:19:40.559 her. Sometimes fakey to make it is OK. Being 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.700 authentic is absolutely one thing. And sometimes 00:19:42.700 --> 00:19:44.799 I have to be honest with my kiddos, too. You 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:48.579 know, mom is tired. I'm tired. Yes, I can't. 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:50.759 listen to you reading that book out loud for 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:53.960 another 30 minutes. You know, we need to, but 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:56.380 at the end of the day, like a little bit of fake 00:19:56.380 --> 00:19:58.720 it to make it because energy is contagious. And 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:02.000 what I want, if I can help her or someone else 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:04.640 turn their day around as a leader, I walked in, 00:20:04.700 --> 00:20:06.319 I don't know if this is the right direction going 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:08.599 with this, but as a leader and my previous career 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.559 was so good at it there, you could feel the room, 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:14.450 the atmosphere kind of culture go down a little 00:20:14.450 --> 00:20:16.430 bit. And I was like, not today. If I have to 00:20:16.430 --> 00:20:18.190 get through this day too, we're all going to 00:20:18.190 --> 00:20:20.390 be brought up. So I would walk in and like, how 00:20:20.390 --> 00:20:22.890 do you like mourning so much? And I was like, 00:20:22.930 --> 00:20:25.789 it's a mindset. Either do or you don't. So there's 00:20:25.789 --> 00:20:27.269 a little bit of fake it till you make it, but 00:20:27.269 --> 00:20:30.430 authentically is where I think personally, I 00:20:30.430 --> 00:20:32.410 just channel the gratitude a little bit. And 00:20:32.410 --> 00:20:34.289 then when I see that little face, it's like, 00:20:34.309 --> 00:20:36.789 mom. And I'm like, how's your day? You remember 00:20:36.789 --> 00:20:39.009 your whys, you remember what gives you the gratitude. 00:20:39.150 --> 00:20:41.829 So what I'm hearing is that you showed up the 00:20:41.829 --> 00:20:45.119 way that. They needed you to show up. Yes. There's 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:47.420 a like you said there is a little bit of fake 00:20:47.420 --> 00:20:49.720 it till you make it But that's you like pouring 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:52.380 the energy that your people need. Yes in order 00:20:52.380 --> 00:20:55.940 to make calls that day or get ready for school 00:20:55.940 --> 00:20:58.940 and it's negative 44 degrees outside. So like, 00:20:59.259 --> 00:21:02.660 although authenticity is so important and I will 00:21:02.660 --> 00:21:04.700 shut down if I don't have a role where I'm allowed 00:21:04.700 --> 00:21:07.920 to be authentic, it does not give permission 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:11.380 to not show up with the right energy. Yeah, I 00:21:11.380 --> 00:21:13.700 agree with that. I think it is important to be 00:21:13.700 --> 00:21:16.460 yourself. It's important to be silly. It's important 00:21:16.460 --> 00:21:19.279 to laugh and to like bring that. Sometimes you 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:22.869 have to put yourself in a position to bring it 00:21:22.869 --> 00:21:25.190 back to who you are, if that makes sense. So 00:21:25.190 --> 00:21:29.630 like you leading that many leaders, that can 00:21:29.630 --> 00:21:32.869 be difficult. Managing managers or leading managers 00:21:32.869 --> 00:21:34.650 can be very difficult. I love you guys if you're 00:21:34.650 --> 00:21:37.630 watching. No, I love you. I do. No, I know you 00:21:37.630 --> 00:21:39.670 do actually. And I know you love what you do. 00:21:39.930 --> 00:21:42.650 But like for myself, that's what I did for years. 00:21:42.730 --> 00:21:44.970 And it can be difficult. But what I think is 00:21:44.970 --> 00:21:46.730 sometimes you have to put yourself in a position 00:21:46.730 --> 00:21:50.230 to Remember what makes you the way you are. Like 00:21:50.230 --> 00:21:52.710 I love laughing. So sometimes like if we're having 00:21:52.710 --> 00:21:55.170 a rough day, not that long ago, we had a moment 00:21:55.170 --> 00:21:57.970 at even the boutique and it was kind of a rough 00:21:57.970 --> 00:22:00.329 week. I swear it was a full moon. We were running 00:22:00.329 --> 00:22:02.529 around rampant, all on empty. And I was like, 00:22:02.529 --> 00:22:07.289 that's it. I need to laugh. No joke. Do you know 00:22:07.289 --> 00:22:12.650 what I did? I went and put on a freaking blow 00:22:12.650 --> 00:22:15.470 up. Halloween costume. I love that. Because it 00:22:15.470 --> 00:22:18.710 was getting close to Halloween and I came out 00:22:18.710 --> 00:22:21.589 and the girls were like, what in the? And we 00:22:21.589 --> 00:22:23.430 laughed. It was a dinosaur, right? It was like 00:22:23.430 --> 00:22:26.589 a big panda or... I think I saw a snap. Probably. 00:22:26.809 --> 00:22:29.289 I love that. We laughed so hard and it was this... 00:22:29.289 --> 00:22:32.759 but I was like, that's what... so... You do show 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:35.099 up for your people. Leading leaders can be hard 00:22:35.099 --> 00:22:37.980 because I'm not letting them be, you know, you 00:22:37.980 --> 00:22:39.259 can be tired and all of that. That's not what 00:22:39.259 --> 00:22:41.140 I'm saying, but I'm not letting the culture and 00:22:41.140 --> 00:22:44.380 the momentum slow or emotions waiver. I am going 00:22:44.380 --> 00:22:46.839 to do something that I love and I love to laugh. 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.859 So I just grabbed that and I walked around like 00:22:49.859 --> 00:22:52.319 a big, you know what? It looks like a dummy, 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:56.279 but like it was the best. I mean, it really is. 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:59.980 I love that. I'd love to hear. that there's awareness 00:22:59.980 --> 00:23:03.339 too, like self -awareness. I think, gosh, there's 00:23:03.339 --> 00:23:05.500 so many different, there's so many different 00:23:05.500 --> 00:23:07.559 threads that I feel like we can go into, but 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:09.839 you talked about how you felt like listening 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:12.619 was one of the top three skills. One of the most 00:23:12.619 --> 00:23:16.640 important is your belief in the person that you're 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:20.200 coaching. Because the moment you stop believing, 00:23:20.859 --> 00:23:24.519 they feel it. Right? And when I say I love my 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:28.099 managers, I mean it. I know you do. I get that. 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:30.900 Because talking with other people in our community 00:23:30.900 --> 00:23:34.019 or in my previous career, I see and I feel and 00:23:34.019 --> 00:23:36.299 hear that from you. Sometimes my managers are 00:23:36.299 --> 00:23:38.880 like, spill the tea. Who do you hate? I'm like, 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:41.460 no one. I really don't. I'm really fortunate 00:23:41.460 --> 00:23:43.039 for that. But there's a belief. So if you're 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:44.819 like, I don't think this person can do this, 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.119 it's like, whoa. Check it. I mean, that's being 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:49.579 a mom, too. Like, be a mom and a friend. We've 00:23:49.579 --> 00:23:51.759 talked about listening. We've talked about mindfulness. 00:23:51.980 --> 00:23:53.819 We've talked about authenticity. You know what's 00:23:53.819 --> 00:23:57.480 so crazy is leading how many people in the organization 00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:59.720 that you're at right now. Megan's a pretty awesome 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:03.160 deal here. You're like... You always overdo it 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:05.740 for me. I'm not that big of a deal. Lizzie's 00:24:05.740 --> 00:24:09.279 a big deal. No. Okay, but what is freaking cool 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:13.000 is... as Megan is a photographer, Bertrand Honey. 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:16.819 Not only is she so incredibly skilled, but I'll 00:24:16.819 --> 00:24:18.640 never forget seeing your work on social media. 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:20.660 I think is maybe why I reached out, but having 00:24:20.660 --> 00:24:24.000 you in person in the beginning of this boutique, 00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:26.180 there was a lot of insecurities drumming up. 00:24:26.259 --> 00:24:27.779 Sure. Right. Sure. Going through emotionally, 00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:30.500 like just, you know, whatever that looked like 00:24:30.500 --> 00:24:34.140 I could. That's another podcast. Yeah. But I'll 00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:36.920 never forget, like any time leaving with you. 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:40.000 It was like, I did have to be a perfectionist, 00:24:40.019 --> 00:24:42.859 I just had to be me. Like you bring out the authenticity 00:24:42.859 --> 00:24:45.940 in people, which makes you automatically feel 00:24:45.940 --> 00:24:48.019 more beautiful. When you can channel, one of 00:24:48.019 --> 00:24:49.700 the things, I was actually gonna get a tattoo 00:24:49.700 --> 00:24:51.900 of my grandma's writing on, I don't have any 00:24:51.900 --> 00:24:53.940 tattoos, but I was like gonna go for it. I'm 00:24:53.940 --> 00:24:56.000 an over thinker when it comes to that. I know. 00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:59.220 Tiny tat, here we go. I was gonna put on my wrist, 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:03.019 be beautiful. It sounds cheesy, but at the end 00:25:03.019 --> 00:25:04.880 of the day, there are moments where I'm like 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:08.119 behind a camera or a perfectionist shines through. 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.500 And I was like, no, be beautiful. Because to 00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:13.200 me, what that means is like everything from within, 00:25:14.019 --> 00:25:17.660 authenticity, and so on. And so when I'm with 00:25:17.660 --> 00:25:21.259 you as a photographer... I literally feel like 00:25:21.259 --> 00:25:24.740 I can be myself. I'm myself, and it is so fun, 00:25:24.740 --> 00:25:26.980 and you're so good at channeling that with people. 00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:29.000 So I think that is part of the reason that makes 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:31.279 you a really fantastic leader as well. You're 00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:33.160 gonna make me cry. It's the best compliment. 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:36.140 I would love to keep seeing her photography business 00:25:36.140 --> 00:25:38.119 on here, but I actually don't want her to get 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:42.839 too booked up, so... Lindsay, anytime I try to 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:44.940 like say I'm gonna slow down, I get a text from 00:25:44.940 --> 00:25:46.799 Lindsay that says that you better not be talking 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:50.849 about me, which I never am. I love it so much. 00:25:50.970 --> 00:25:53.829 And actually, I see that in my kids and my family 00:25:53.829 --> 00:25:58.910 too. I have two girls and my husband. And you 00:25:58.910 --> 00:26:00.430 think girls would be like, it's fine. No, they 00:26:00.430 --> 00:26:03.730 actually equally do not take pictures like my 00:26:03.730 --> 00:26:05.730 husband. They're getting much better. And they've 00:26:05.730 --> 00:26:08.349 grown up so much. But anyways, I just think it's 00:26:08.349 --> 00:26:09.789 pretty cool. Believe it or not, there's very 00:26:09.789 --> 00:26:11.690 few clients that are like, I just want you to 00:26:11.690 --> 00:26:15.180 know, I am so photogenic. And this is going to 00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:17.119 be the easiest session you've ever had. Usually 00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:19.480 people are like, I hate my arm, and I hate my 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:22.599 profile, and I hate like, and so I start with, 00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:24.559 we're going to not highlight your insecurities, 00:26:24.619 --> 00:26:26.519 but I want to know what they are. And then what 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:28.460 are the things that you feel really good about? 00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:30.819 And there's synergy. I know that you're getting 00:26:30.819 --> 00:26:33.599 here. There's synergy between my role as a coach 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:35.480 and what I do in photography. And it actually 00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:38.539 took me a long time to see it. My role... as 00:26:38.539 --> 00:26:41.819 a photographer is to see the best in the beauty 00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:45.180 in someone and pull it out. But the coaching 00:26:45.180 --> 00:26:48.119 component is getting them to see that themselves. 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.240 Right? Like it's like full circle. Mic drop. 00:26:51.460 --> 00:26:54.279 That's a mic drop. That is so full circle. It's 00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:56.519 so full circle. Oh, I was going to sit here and 00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:58.299 say we were saying that I was like, and you're 00:26:58.299 --> 00:27:00.180 like listening even as a photographer. But what 00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:02.359 you just said there is so key is getting someone 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:04.519 else to believe in it. Getting someone to believe 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:06.680 in themselves. And I think that like sometimes 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:09.119 even just from and this is like being a mom and 00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:11.920 everything is like we have this death by comparison. 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:14.779 Yeah. Where we will look at social media and 00:27:14.779 --> 00:27:16.380 we'll look at somebody else's pictures or we'll 00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:18.039 look at whatever. And we're like, they have got 00:27:18.059 --> 00:27:21.980 it together and the reality is every session 00:27:21.980 --> 00:27:24.099 I have kids they're like I would be surprised 00:27:24.099 --> 00:27:25.980 if you got one picture and then they get it and 00:27:25.980 --> 00:27:28.119 they're like oh my gosh I'm like believe it or 00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:30.259 not you are so beautiful your kids are beautiful 00:27:30.259 --> 00:27:33.160 and there's beauty in the chaos and so it's not 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:35.400 about like these manufactured moments it's about 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:38.059 orchestrating and and like having the organic 00:27:38.059 --> 00:27:40.279 that's where the honey comes in like the organic 00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:43.119 and sweet sweetness and I think you're talking 00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:46.589 life right there like honestly Cause I'm thinking 00:27:46.589 --> 00:27:48.829 what you just spoke to there coaching and everything. 00:27:49.069 --> 00:27:51.269 I think of my career life, rolling that into 00:27:51.269 --> 00:27:53.369 the boutique and every like being a mom and all 00:27:53.369 --> 00:27:55.569 of that. It isn't picture perfect. And that's, 00:27:55.569 --> 00:27:57.809 that's cool. I love that you share that though, 00:27:57.970 --> 00:28:00.670 because boy is it the imposter syndrome. We've 00:28:00.670 --> 00:28:02.670 talked about this. This could be a whole episode. 00:28:02.750 --> 00:28:06.049 This is just like a teaser. Oh, I actually have 00:28:06.049 --> 00:28:09.390 perfect segue. Gosh. So we won't spend too much 00:28:09.390 --> 00:28:11.569 time on that. I don't know anybody that's in 00:28:11.569 --> 00:28:13.829 their role doing it being like, how on earth 00:28:13.829 --> 00:28:16.730 am I being trusted? to do this. Yeah and if you 00:28:16.730 --> 00:28:19.630 are great that's amazing but truly it's a it's 00:28:19.630 --> 00:28:22.369 a thing but I don't know being authentic is so 00:28:22.369 --> 00:28:25.130 great because it just shows like there are imperfections 00:28:25.130 --> 00:28:28.650 there's hiccups along the way you're goofy and 00:28:28.650 --> 00:28:31.309 not absolutely how someone wants you to be or 00:28:31.309 --> 00:28:33.210 thinks you should be I don't know it's a pretty 00:28:33.210 --> 00:28:37.640 awesome Well, we just have this fundamental need 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.619 as human beings to feel accepted. Yes. But not 00:28:40.619 --> 00:28:42.839 just to feel accepted, like this happens to our 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:44.519 young kids too, like they feel like they need 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:45.880 to be accepted, so they change who they are. 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.160 We have a fundamental need to be accepted for 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:50.720 who we are. Yeah. And so like your people, which 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.900 you found here. Yep. At YPONIA, like where you 00:28:53.900 --> 00:28:56.819 are like running around in a ladybug costume 00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:59.079 or whatever it is that you had. And like you 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:01.640 just get to be yourself. You can hop in and out 00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:04.859 of being goofy and being inspiring. challenging 00:29:04.859 --> 00:29:07.039 and having a hard conversation. Like it all comes 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:08.599 together. It does all come together at White 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.059 Pony. I always said it's not just about clothing. 00:29:11.259 --> 00:29:13.839 I want to create a space where everyone feels 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:16.140 welcome to come and be themselves. It's so true. 00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:19.619 But leave a little bit more empowered. Yes. I 00:29:19.619 --> 00:29:21.599 love when we do photo shoots with your girls. 00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:24.539 It's like we have fun. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It is 00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:27.559 a blast. They're just hyping each other up like, 00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.299 girl. You look so good. That's everybody's job 00:29:30.299 --> 00:29:33.440 is to fuel each other. I agree. OK, so let's 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:35.740 wrap this up because we're going to have to do 00:29:35.740 --> 00:29:37.759 another podcast. I know. I'm like, we're going 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.420 to have to do this again. I do want to just ask 00:29:40.420 --> 00:29:43.119 a couple of really quick question takeaways just 00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.720 to leave anyone listening with a few things. 00:29:45.819 --> 00:29:48.599 Yeah. I know you have a whole long list of books 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:50.240 that you would recommend. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.059 Canter is one of them. But what would you say 00:29:52.059 --> 00:29:56.400 if there was a podcast or a top book? that you 00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.680 would really recommend for someone looking to 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.140 fine tune their authenticity or leadership skills. 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.079 Oh my gosh. I wish you had given me this beforehand 00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.480 so I could just go through my list. But you have 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.039 so many good ones. Fine tune your authenticity 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.119 or leadership. So I mean this is really biased 00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.539 because it's my coach but the authoritative coach 00:30:16.539 --> 00:30:19.559 is a really short read and it's meant to break 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:21.519 you out of your people pleasing habits. Love 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.740 that. Because naturally we want people to like 00:30:23.740 --> 00:30:26.579 us whether we say it or not. Sometimes that can 00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:29.880 get in the way of challenging and showing up 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.359 in the way that your clients, your employees, 00:30:33.980 --> 00:30:36.720 your family needs you to show up to pull out 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.980 the best version of them. I've gotten some really 00:30:38.980 --> 00:30:41.660 great frameworks. It's kind of a well, I just 00:30:41.660 --> 00:30:44.759 keep going back to revisit it because we just, 00:30:44.980 --> 00:30:48.059 under pressure, go back to what we know. Okay, 00:30:48.140 --> 00:30:51.559 now juggling all of the things that you do literally. 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.079 What is, and I've seen a little bit of this side 00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.880 of you lately and I love every second of it because 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:00.380 as leaders and moms juggle things, I have done 00:31:00.380 --> 00:31:04.119 the same thing. What is a major stress reliever 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.269 for you? That you have to like do for yourself. 00:31:07.569 --> 00:31:11.829 Yeah. Okay. So I used to get stuck in these habits 00:31:11.829 --> 00:31:14.269 of like where you turn your brain off at night. 00:31:14.470 --> 00:31:16.670 I would sit and watch a Netflix series until 00:31:16.670 --> 00:31:18.410 it got too late and then fall asleep while I 00:31:18.410 --> 00:31:20.609 was editing or something. But I've been really 00:31:20.609 --> 00:31:23.230 intentional about I go to bed at nine o 'clock. 00:31:23.390 --> 00:31:26.730 I put the phone down. I turn off my TV. My alarm 00:31:26.730 --> 00:31:30.980 goes off. At 3 .50 in the morning, I get up. 00:31:31.220 --> 00:31:33.380 I know this sounds so crazy and don't be like, 00:31:33.420 --> 00:31:35.740 oh, she's getting up in the morning. This is 00:31:35.740 --> 00:31:38.319 honestly the only time that I can find for myself. 00:31:38.420 --> 00:31:40.259 I couldn't agree with you more, or I'm going 00:31:40.259 --> 00:31:43.599 to be up so late. There's something about, well, 00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:45.940 and I always talk about this book, The 5 AM Club. 00:31:46.180 --> 00:31:48.730 Oh, I'm not. Lindsay, I've not read this book. 00:31:49.450 --> 00:31:52.549 Okay. I have not read this book. Immediately 00:31:52.549 --> 00:31:54.369 download it. It talks about what you can get 00:31:54.369 --> 00:31:56.109 done in a day when you wake up and you're up 00:31:56.109 --> 00:31:59.549 at 5 a .m. and you're doing that. Spending you 00:31:59.549 --> 00:32:02.750 time. I get to the gym at 4 30 and then I get 00:32:02.750 --> 00:32:05.190 my workout in and then I sit in the sauna and 00:32:05.190 --> 00:32:08.990 I pray and I reflect and I just like... sat my 00:32:08.990 --> 00:32:10.950 mind for the day, softened my heart, give me 00:32:10.950 --> 00:32:12.670 the words that you need to say to these people 00:32:12.670 --> 00:32:15.089 to pour into them. And when I don't do it, like 00:32:15.089 --> 00:32:17.269 I've been sick as I'm coughing up a lung here, 00:32:17.710 --> 00:32:20.890 I've taken time off. I still wake up. I can't 00:32:20.890 --> 00:32:24.430 help it. You did. 430 a .m. I could not go back 00:32:24.430 --> 00:32:27.190 to sleep. But like the intentionality and the 00:32:27.190 --> 00:32:29.819 discipline and like. I was going to say this 00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:32.359 earlier, as a leader, you're always showing up 00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:34.720 for other people. You can't continue to pour 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.319 into people with an empty bucket. I agree. And 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.279 so like being intentional about what are you 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:42.200 feeling? What are you feeling into yourself? 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.339 Is it a audio book? Is it a podcast? Like what 00:32:45.339 --> 00:32:47.839 this right now? Yes. Like, is this your you time 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:50.400 working out or going to spa? How intentional 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.960 are you being? And so that has been a new part 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.420 of my routine for me. I love how you said the 00:32:55.420 --> 00:32:58.619 discipline to pour into you rather than. It's 00:32:58.619 --> 00:33:01.740 not easy. No, it's not. And you can come up with 00:33:01.740 --> 00:33:04.559 every excuse under the sun of what else you could 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.460 be doing or getting done. So I would say that 00:33:07.460 --> 00:33:09.980 is an absolute takeaway, whether that is in the 00:33:09.980 --> 00:33:12.700 morning or at night, but to give yourself... 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:14.880 a moment there. We're in a hustle and bustle 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.180 kind of world, you know, so give yourself time, 00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:19.420 but it's going to take a little discipline. The 00:33:19.420 --> 00:33:22.980 number one thing you can do to show up for other 00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:25.660 people as a leader is to carve out the time for 00:33:25.660 --> 00:33:27.420 yourself. Cause if you're not the best version 00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:30.019 of yourself, if you're completely, I'm talking 00:33:30.019 --> 00:33:34.119 to you a little bit too. I feel your eyes really 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.839 close to you on the side of the table. Rest is 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.799 so important for God's sake, rest, you know, 00:33:40.900 --> 00:33:43.269 maybe that'll be a different podcast. Oh my gosh. 00:33:43.349 --> 00:33:45.950 Yeah, and what that looks like and and sometimes 00:33:45.950 --> 00:33:48.470 it's productive rest It doesn't mean that you 00:33:48.470 --> 00:33:49.910 don't you're not doing anything and you're just 00:33:49.910 --> 00:33:53.670 rotting. Oh, that is an incredible hobby I would 00:33:53.670 --> 00:33:56.430 love to just rot on my couch for a day, but I 00:33:56.430 --> 00:34:00.150 have two kids. So there's no such thing No, okay. 00:34:00.410 --> 00:34:02.750 So man with all that you've got going on Are 00:34:02.750 --> 00:34:05.150 there any big things in the future that you've 00:34:05.150 --> 00:34:08.420 got planned or coming up? If I had a crystal 00:34:08.420 --> 00:34:10.159 ball that told me that right now, I'd pay a lot 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:13.039 of money. I don't know I like have this theme 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.699 in my life where things just have like I've stumbled 00:34:15.699 --> 00:34:18.079 upon an opportunity and I believe that's God's 00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:20.579 work I agree and so I'm just trusting what's 00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:23.420 to come but I'm just so great. I have the best 00:34:23.420 --> 00:34:25.619 clients So if my clients are listening to this, 00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:32.380 I love you. I love you I love you and I have 00:34:32.380 --> 00:34:34.760 I mean, I just have an incredible opportunity 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:36.550 to work with so many people in the world that 00:34:36.550 --> 00:34:38.610 I have so I don't know what's to come. No I'm 00:34:38.610 --> 00:34:41.750 scared to say this but if anyone, listeners, 00:34:42.230 --> 00:34:44.150 yes we're gonna have to have Megan on again because 00:34:44.150 --> 00:34:47.750 this is fun and so natural but if anybody could 00:34:47.750 --> 00:34:52.820 find your work. Yeah. Please don't use your schedule. 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:54.139 No, I'm just kidding. You're going to text me 00:34:54.139 --> 00:34:57.099 and be like, this is my fault. I opened her up. 00:34:57.099 --> 00:34:59.460 I'm in trouble. But where could they find you, 00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:01.260 Megan, with your photography work? I'm about 00:35:01.260 --> 00:35:04.599 to age myself as a millennial that I am. I only 00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:06.460 have a Facebook right now, because I shut down 00:35:06.460 --> 00:35:09.059 everything to balance intentionally. Sometimes 00:35:09.059 --> 00:35:11.480 you've got to do it. I'm leaning more towards 00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:14.360 doing commercial photography. So I have you, 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.179 obviously, as a client. I work with Tomline Candle 00:35:17.179 --> 00:35:19.519 and Lady Inside. And so that's the type of work 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:21.869 that I'm looking at. to do. I intentionally shut 00:35:21.869 --> 00:35:24.389 down my webpage, but you can find me on Facebook. 00:35:24.690 --> 00:35:26.809 I love it. Or you can reach out to Lindsay and 00:35:26.809 --> 00:35:30.829 she can be my gatekeeper. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Megan's 00:35:30.829 --> 00:35:36.750 busy that day. Maybe next, you know, month. I 00:35:36.750 --> 00:35:39.190 don't know. Next quarter. We'll get to it. We'll 00:35:39.190 --> 00:35:42.030 get to it. I love it. Well, thank you so much 00:35:42.030 --> 00:35:43.150 for being on here today. Thank you for having 00:35:43.150 --> 00:35:45.650 me. I love sitting with you and talking to you. 00:35:45.929 --> 00:35:48.389 And I even said, like, yeah, great. We're here 00:35:48.389 --> 00:35:50.130 talking about podcasts. But let's do dinner. 00:35:50.670 --> 00:35:52.909 Yeah. Just like ASAP. You guys, that would be 00:35:52.909 --> 00:35:55.110 an incredible episode where we're having wine. 00:35:55.570 --> 00:35:57.250 Actually, we should do that next time. That's 00:35:57.250 --> 00:36:01.030 not a bad idea. If Abby allows it. Abby. We'll 00:36:01.030 --> 00:36:03.909 give her a glass of wine. She can record it. 00:36:03.929 --> 00:36:05.929 We just said, if you just blow on your coffee 00:36:05.929 --> 00:36:08.510 or blow on your wine, people won't know that 00:36:08.510 --> 00:36:12.469 it's actually wine. Did I say that right? Yeah. 00:36:12.590 --> 00:36:15.449 You think it's coffee, but you don't know. Exactly. 00:36:16.230 --> 00:36:18.849 Life tips. All right. Well, thank you so much, 00:36:18.969 --> 00:36:21.150 everybody. And thank you, Megan. Thank you. Thanks 00:36:21.150 --> 00:36:23.579 for having me. 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