At the time I was 27 and most of my self -worth
was attached to just being a jack dude who's
a trainer but I knew I had way more inside of
me like all of this potential that I felt was
not yet tapped into and I wanted to explore what
is that potential what is it that I'm actually
put on this planet to do because there's so much
more than just the physical body. This is going
to be so much fun. Jeremy Abramson, huge influencer
online. Good friend. Just for the audience, I
need everybody to know you are a friend. We know
you super well. How do we know you? We drank
medicine together years ago. Yes. And I remember
the moment that we really connected, that we
bonded. You have a tattoo on your arm that says
Ahava in Hebrew. That means love. And that's
Leila's Hebrew name. So I felt a... We really
connected at that point, and we've become really
good friends. Welcome to our show, Jeremy. It's
great to have you. I'm really grateful to be
here. That's funny that you remember it like
that. Why? The way that we met, because the way
that I remember it was... We met before that,
but that's when we bonded. It was like we hadn't
spoken really the first four or five days of
that retreat, and then it was the last ceremony,
and it was the daytime ceremony. And I remember
waking up, and you guys were sitting directly
across from me. In the ceremony. Yes. Yeah. And
you guys were just like holding on to each other
in the most loving way possible. It literally
looked like you guys were high school sweethearts.
We still are. And after the ceremony, I just...
We're retirement home sweethearts now. I came
to you guys. I came to you guys and I was like...
I know we haven't spoken much, but I just want
to acknowledge you because I witnessed the love
that you guys have. And it was so beautiful.
Guys, this is guys, by the way, this content
is going to be on their exclusive erased OnlyFans
channel. All right. But this podcast, we're going
to keep it PG 13. Okay. So anyways, I witnessed
you guys across from me sitting in ceremony,
just expressing so much. authentic love for each
other and it was beautiful because there's not
that many people to look up to in the world who
have like a very beautiful sacred union and just
witnessing you guys i acknowledge dave i was
like i just want to let you know man it's beautiful
to witness that and see that so yeah thank you
guys for just leading by example you guys are
incredible you're so unique individually and
so different how are we different jeremy You
know how different we are. We have excellent
arguments about conspiracy theories. But he's
finally come closer into my direction versus
when we met, he was further away. I was more
of the conspiracy tin hat. Now he wears a half
of a tin hat. I've suspended all my beliefs in
life. He's way closer. You know what I actually
think it is? I might be wrong. You definitely
know better. I don't think it was... David not
being a conspiracy theorist. I think it was him
just being so uncomfortable around conflict.
Like, David's like a very nice, kind, gentle
man. Right? But like... Unless you piss him off.
Well, that's what I'm saying. I feel like there's
been things... Once you piss him off, then there's
no more nice guys. Well, I feel like especially
the last couple of years, there's been things
that have happened that have forced him to like
activate that fire inside of him. Yeah. You know
what I mean? For sure. Hence this show. That's
why we created this show in the first place.
Yeah, and even when we had our whole cancellation
journey, in the beginning, it was very uncomfortable
for David. And then once he stepped into it,
he was just like, all right, let's fight. You
want to go to war? It's time for war. I mean,
I've had a lot of fights growing up. You know?
A lot of fisticuffs. And I never wanted them.
I never looked for them. But if you're going
to mess with me, I'm going to... I'm going to
take you out if I have to. He's going to peacefully
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self will thank you. That's another thing too
is you guys always are doing the inner work because
it's very easy to achieve like external and material
success. Yeah. And kind of just coached. Oh,
it's a lot of work. Exactly. It's been work from
the beginning of our relationship. Six months
into it, I hired a relationship coach. He thought
I was crazy in the beginning. And then we realized
it was the best thing we could have done. But
it was still unconscious coaching, right? Because
we didn't know about all this stuff. So once
we went to India, we moved from unconscious coaching
to conscious coaching. What's the difference,
you might want to ask? Instead of blaming the
other and learning how to communicate with the
other, it's learning how to communicate with
yourself. Who are you and why are you so pissed
off? Right. Right. Big difference. Like, I'm
enraged right now. The old Layla would have been
like, and you did this to me and you did that
to me. The new version after India is OK and
Kabbalah, which. They're both very similar in
principles that they teach is, okay, why am I
so mad right now? Why? What is I? No, it can't
be him. Yes, maybe what he did was not cool,
but do I have to be enraged? Yeah. Do I have
to like want to break a couple glasses, you know,
and throw something at the wall? Or could I like
breathe through this, dig within and go, okay,
I'm just going to recognize the fact that I am
pissed right now. Deal with that first. And then
come back and say, honey, can we have a conversation
about, you know, that girl you asked to sit on
your lap? I'm just kidding. That never happened.
I know, just kidding. That's not even a good
example. I feel like this is. That's not even
a good example. Just kidding. I know. Guys, welcome
to. Joke. Welcome to Jeremy. Springer but I'm
just saying you know they're bringing up an extreme
situation right all the true I mean every anything
that triggers us that forces us to be reactive
is something that we just need to examine within
ourselves a little deeper so we want to we want
you to share your story that's why that's why
you're here you have a great story You do great
things for humanity. Wonderful work. But it hasn't
been an even line from then to now. You are very
outspoken about the use of plant medicines. And
we're proponents. I'm a proponent as well. And
the powers that be, the media, social media,
don't really want these things to be heard or
vocalized. And things got a little hairy for
you. You had great reach. On social media and
elsewhere, and then you didn't. Bring us back
to sort of the beginning of your journey. Share
the journey. Oh, my gosh. All right. And it's
okay to cry if you want. Thank you for setting
that precedent. Now I'm going to feel like I
didn't reach your expectations if I don't cry.
It's okay. Now I almost feel an obligation. Just
feel it. Feel it in your soul. Whatever comes
out. Go to those dark, dark places. I think the
best place to start in terms of... the erased
aspect of things would be pretty early on in
COVID. Actually, I guess July, 2018 is when I
first sat with ayahuasca in Peru. So that was
my first experience with plant medicine in a
very intentional way. And I had a transformational
experience and I was like, okay, I want to explore
this deeper because I see not only how it opened
up things for me, but it's. helping a lot of
people. Everyone that I witnessed in my journey
had massive shifts in their life transpire after
they sat with the medicine. What year was this?
This was late 2018. Who was Jeremy at that time?
I was a personal trainer here in Miami. Emotionally
evolutionary. I was still stunningly attractive
and very jacked. But most of my, at the time
I was a trainer, right? 27 years old. Conscious
level, consciousness. Exactly. So pretty much
at that time, I was starting to go deeper with
things like Wim Hof breath work and like ice
baths and like holistic health. But at the time,
most of my self -worth and identity was still
attached to being a jacked dude with a six pack
and a trainer. right and it's like any videos
that i posted at that time was like me working
out shirtless like yeah i'm like jacked right
but really yeah it's good is that a bad thing
have you seen his instagram is that is that mostly
david's got that that's mostly showing his sexy
nipples i hope i hope to be at david's stage
of life like looking as jacked and as physically
strong um Stay away from that region. The nipples
are sensitive. Okay, anyways. Wait, time it one
second. Alex, will you reset the timer, please?
Yeah, yeah, I got it. So... Oh, hold on. This
thing's drunk. This thing. It's strong? This
thing's drunk. Oh. Seconds. No, it's minutes,
hours. Okay. Okay, cool. All right. So at the
time I was 27 and most of my self -worth was
attached to just being a jack dude who was a
trainer. But I knew I had way more inside of
me. Like all of this potential that I felt was
not yet tapped into. And I wanted to explore
what is that potential? What is it that I'm actually
put on this planet to do? Because there's so
much more than just the physical body. So that
experience. I mean, I don't know if I'd share
this experience with you guys, but literally
the first night of ayahuasca, I'm in the ceremony.
There's probably 12 other people I've never met
before. It's their first time doing the medicine
too. And I just get this tap on my shoulder in
the ceremony and it's Nicki Minaj, the rapper.
Wow. Yeah. For reals or you were imagining? No,
this is part of my journey. It was imagination.
Exactly. But it was, as you know, there's a very
thin line. We should caveat that we are not endorsing
our... promoting or of course the use of plant
medicine anybody who's interested in that that's
that's on their own journey if they feel like
it or not this is not the forum to tell people
that they should of course i'm just sharing my
experience and you know the medicine i think
has been a big part of my life and other people
that are close to me but by no means is it everyone's
path you know there's many different paths to
elevate your consciousness and become more self
-aware and pursue a life of fulfillment. For
me, it's just been an instrumental tool. But
anyways, Nicki Minaj taps on my shoulder and
she's like, hey, Jeremy, you know, I've been
watching you and you're pretty dope. And I'm
like, really, Nicki? Like, how the hell do you
know who I am? She's like, listen, we're going
to go on my Instagram live for 30 minutes and
I just want you to share whatever you want to
my fans. I'm like, for real? Like, we're going
to do this? She's like, yeah, whatever you want
to say. I'm like. Okay. So literally in the ceremony,
I start just speaking, which you're not really
supposed to do, right? Because that can affect
other people's experience. You were that pain
in the ass, huh? You were that guy. But I wasn't
like screaming. That people next to you were
like, shut him up. I was probably speaking like
in this type of voice. Okay, but still. I know.
So a couple of the people on the medicine team
came over to check in, like, hey, are you okay?
And then the shaman came over and waved them
off. He's like, shut up, I'm live streaming right
now. So anyways, I'm just channeling, right?
I'm just channeling, speaking whatever I am,
thinking that I'm in this experience on Nicki
Minaj's Instagram Live. I'm like, this is a once
in a lifetime opportunity to impact tens of thousands
of people. So anyways, the experience ends a
couple hours later. You spoke for a couple hours?
No, no, no. But the ceremony ended a couple hours.
And we're all just getting soup after the ceremony
before we go to sleep. And like six of the guys
came up to me separately and they're like, yo,
man, are you like some sort of motivational speaker?
I'm like, no. you have no idea how much your
words helped me in my journey like they were
so transformational chills and i'm like are you
sure they weren't thinking i was trying to focus
and you wouldn't shut the hell up did you imagine
them as well and the things that they said no
no no that was real this was real so they came
up to me and they're just showing me all like
it was six of them like individually you were
that loud that six people heard i was that amazing
There was only 10 in the room. Anyways, so that
experience was like, oh, wow, my voice is powerful.
Great. Yeah. Because before I was like insecure
to speak because, you know, I was too scared
about what the opinions of other people were
or I just didn't have the confidence to express
myself authentically. So that was my first experience.
And then the next night, it was all this stuff
that I'd been holding on to regarding my older
brother. who went down the path of drugs and
alcohol and stuff like that. So the next night,
the next journey, you did the same thing. You
spoke nonstop. No, no, I didn't speak. I had
an experience with my brother, and it was crazy.
So anyways, that was my first experience with
plant medicine. That's what opened up my portal
to, like, I want to explore this more. About
a year later, I tried microdosing mushrooms for
the first time, and I literally was in Miami.
And I was just going through like anxiety, nothing
like crazy bad, but I just didn't feel like myself.
My friend gave me like a little cap of a mushroom.
And I decided one day after work to like just
go on a bike ride and watch the sunset. And I
literally felt so at peace. I was like tuned
into the birds chirping. And I was like, everything
just felt, I just felt that oneness and connection
that oftentimes these compounds help you achieve.
And it really got me out of my own head. and
i was like oh wow like i'm not even really struggling
that much in my life imagine if someone's really
going through like with anxiety with treatment
resistant depression or ptsd whatever they're
going through like what if we could just return
back to nature and actually return back to our
breath and return back to the present moment
to actually find the healing that we need so
After I did that for a couple months and experimented
with it once or twice a week, I shared it with
a couple clients I was working with one -on -one.
One of them was an executive from Google, and
he had a heroin addiction. So he was this really
highly functional guy. And then every two or
three months, he would go on a bender where he
would just be up all night shooting heroin, stuff
like that. And he had tried everything. He had
tried everything to— Young guy? He was probably
in, he was like 44, 45. And he tried everything.
And again, this guy was like, on the outside
you would have no idea. Like he had a very, like
aesthetically his life looked pretty damn good.
But he would go in these periods of self -destruction
every two or three months. And like in that 18
hours, he would cause. more destruction than
most people are capable of causing in a year.
Wow. Right. So, so he's like, listen, he reached
out to me on LinkedIn actually. And he was like,
listen, man, I've tried everything. Like, do
you really think this can help? I'm like, yeah,
let's give it a shot. Like three months in, he's
feeling good. Obviously I'm helping him with
his whole morning routine, his nutrition, all
of these other things too. But he's like, I haven't
felt any temptation or desire to use. And then
that was the same story. for like 18 to 20 months
he didn't use it all and he felt no desire to
it he felt almost like repulsed by it and i think
the reason for that is because like we helped
connect him to his highest self and he was able
to look at that other version of himself and
be like that's just not me you know and he was
able to see that fresh perspective um so that's
when i really became bought in about micro dosing
and i was like okay i want to start sharing this
with more people and when you say micro dosing
was it just like a little piece of mushroom every
day or what what's explained to people listening
to this what does that mean at this point i had
worked on creating my own formulation so it was
in a capsule and there's 250 milligrams so micro
dosing is a quarter gram yeah micro dosing is
considered a sub perceptual dose a quarter of
gram that's right This guy is a mathematician
over here. And what, is that every day? So we
were doing it every other day. Okay. Yeah, we
were microdosing with capsules, which we still
do. Monday, Wednesday, Friday mornings, they
were mixed with lion's mane and cordyceps. Which
is good for your brain. Exactly. Will you explain
to our viewers what it does to your brain? Yeah,
lion's mane is amazing for neurogenesis, creating
new neural connections in the brain. And also
it's amazing. It's probably the most researched.
compound for actually helping prevent things
like dementia and Alzheimer's. And then cordyceps
is called the Olympic mushroom. It's really amazing
at improving something called oxygen utilization.
Basically your endurance. It's why a lot of athletes
use it. And those are both legal. They're functional
mushrooms, right? Which is again, going back
to the whole, and we'll talk about this in a
minute, but like when you start to zoom out and
you start to wake up and you become aware and
You start to look at, for instance, everything
that was going on during the pandemic, right?
Especially the first year, first couple years
in other parts of the country. And you see, okay,
they're closing down the beach. They're closing
down the park. They're closing down the gym.
But they're leaving liquor stores open because
that's essential business, right? And then we're
demonizing things like mushrooms and other plant
medicines that have literally been around for
millennia, right? that come from nature, that
have no proven negative side effects, that are
actually helping people heal and elevate their
consciousness, what's the real agenda at play
right now? Yeah. And that's kind of what started
the journey of a race was really the whole COVID
stuff. You got a race in what year, though? 2020,
you realized this was a big scam. And then at
what point did... Because your YouTube channel
had a lot, right? When were you censored? What's
the growth of the... Yeah, where did you get
to? And then when were you cut off? So... Were
you monetizing at this point? So you were making...
It was your livelihood, right? So 2020... 2020,
obviously March COVID happens. I remember May
1st, 2020 is when I made my first post on TikTok,
right? And, you know, I was just posting anything
there. I was posting like dance videos. I was
posting like just mindset stuff, hopefully to
elevate people's mood and vibe during these lockdowns.
And then I was really just talking about health,
like not even talking, hey guys, don't get the
jab. Like it was before the jab even became available,
actually. I was like, guys, Everything's locked
down right now. Please do your best to just like,
if you have a balcony, get outside. Feel the
sun kiss your face. Get some movement. And these
are the things that are actually naturally going
to boost your immunity. These posts were getting
flagged for misinformation. Wow. That's crazy.
On TikTok? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just TikTok. This
is TikTok. Well, because TikTok's owned by China.
They don't want you outside your house. They
wanted you trapped in your house. Yeah, it was
crazy. And then I was like, and that just kind
of like put, It's not another perspective that
they might say? No, no, no, because you said
this. No, no, no. Literally health -oriented
content. Yeah, like, listen, early on with the
whole jab stuff, because there's so much money
behind that with Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer
and all of the different government agencies
that are in cahoots, like, I understand those
posts getting flagged for misinformation, even
though they're actually, as we know now, Extremely
truthful. Yeah. Right. But no, these were like
basic health things. It would even be me in a
supermarket. Posting viral videos in the supermarket,
getting millions of views. Guys, avoid these
ingredients. Right. I've seen your content. Even
that was being flagged? So maybe one out of every
ten. Wow. That's so crazy. But what happens is...
when that happens like on a somewhat consistent
basis they basically like they call it like shadow
ban slow you down right they like shadow ban
and they make sure that your page isn't getting
visibility yeah and all of that so i probably
went through three or four cycles where like
you know they would shadow ban me and stuff would
kind of get shut down and then like we would
work it back up and it would get back to a normal
space so anyways fast forward a couple years
Okay, fast forward a couple of years. At this
point, I'm at like 1 .2 million followers on
TikTok. Wow. Right? That's a lot. And then I
wake up one day and I open the app and it says
your account has been suspended. Like it's been
deleted. Wow. And I'm like, I don't even recall
honestly what the post was. I know that feeling,
but I only had 10 ,000 followers. Yeah. So anyways,
it was crazy. And it was one of those things
where I was like. It was almost like, in an unfortunate
way, I was almost like expecting it. I was like,
like when I saw it, I was like, oh, okay. All
right. When was this exactly? This was early
2023. Wow. Yeah. I was surprised you lasted that
long. This was end of 2022, early 2023. It was
after we met. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We met before
probably. Yeah. So anyways, so fast forward today.
I have the TikTok account back. It has 1 .4 million
followers, but we've never been, we haven't been
able to get it to a point where it was. Where
like every video I posted. Because you're there,
but you're shadow banned now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we might be able to do something with it.
I'm going to like put some energy into trying
like to restore it back to maybe some of its,
how we could get some of the visibility back
that we used to. That's one. okay that's one
what about instagram because you have a lot of
followers on instagram so instagram instagram
there's never been something super big that's
happened like instagram has been probably the
best platform but there's the biggest one the
the the most heartbreaking time of getting erased
is 100 this tedx talk that i delivered at the
beginning of 2020 Wow, that's crazy. It was beginning
of 2023. And I never even got to see the talk
that I delivered. This is the most effed up story.
Wow. And honestly, it even came up in this ayahuasca
journey I was just doing. They didn't even give
it to you? They recorded your TED Talk and you
didn't even get it? Exactly. This is what happened.
I hired. I was like, this was on my vision board
for a while. I was like, I want to give a TEDx
talk. We talked about this a lot. Was it on mushrooms?
You put your heart and soul into this. You worked
so hard on this. Yeah, it was about mushrooms
and mental health. So this is before COVID. Before
COVID even happened, I was talking to this guy
who coaches people on helping them form their
TEDx talk. And I actually hired this guy. His
name's Tucker. And anyways, so he's helping me
apply to these different talks. I was like, I
don't care where it is. I'll fly wherever. I
just want to give this talk. Okay. So long story
short, we're applying to probably, we probably
applied to over a hundred talks. Okay. Then the
pandemic happens. All these talks get canceled.
Right. So after about a year and a half, the
talks start coming back and we start reapplying.
We basically get denied from, I think the number
was 114 talks. Literally every single one. Okay.
Then. we finally get word that we got accepted,
okay? Which one? Monroe, Louisiana. Wow. West
Monroe, Louisiana, all right? January 2023. I
believe it was 2023. That seems a long time ago,
like two and something. No, that sounds about
right. Yeah, okay. So anyways, I'm so excited.
This is like six months before. I'm like... this
i honestly have never been more committed to
something in my life like i would i literally
had the whole talk like on poster boards i would
literally spend the first 90 minutes of my day
like wouldn't touch my phone i was just in a
pure flow state making sure that i would deliver
the best talk in my life wow okay 13 minutes
14 minutes um so feeling really good about everything
and uh the the talk right not once in the talk
right i'm following I have a coach for this who's
helped people with, he's helped many people with
talks. So we're following all the guidelines.
I'm not once saying like, you guys should do
mushrooms or anything like that. I'm literally
sharing factual research stuff from John Hopkins,
anecdotal stuff, talking about my brother's story
with depression and all of the medications he's
been on. Like everything that I said was factually
correct. And it was also. I ran through it four
people at TEDx and they basically gave me the
green light that everything was good. Okay. I
fly my parents out to freaking Louisiana because
I want them to be there for this moment. All
right. So we're at West Monroe, Louisiana and
there's 12 other people in my group who are giving
talks. I absolutely destroyed the talk. Crushed
it. It was incredible. It was unbelievable. At
least did your parents record it on their phone
or anything? No, there's no phones recorded.
Oh, man. You're not allowed? You're not allowed?
No, you're not allowed. Yeah, so anyways, the
talk ends. Literally, I had like three or four
medical doctors come up to me who were in the
audience after the talk, and they're like, I've
never heard anyone break down the science. of
psilocybin and talk about like antidepressants
in as eloquent of a way as you did in such an
efficient time it was like 12 or 13 minutes anyways
two months later three months later other people
from my group their talks start to get published
on youtube i'm like okay all right mine's gonna
happen any day now right so i get notified by
the guy tucker hey um they wanna they're just
gonna um put put yours through like another uh
like trial because there's like sensitive topics
talked about and there's two other people i think
that had the same thing just to make sure that
it didn't go against any violations or that didn't
violate any protocols it's like okay that's not
completely unexpected we're talking about a somewhat
sensitive subject um but then i see their talks
get published like okay what's going on It's
probably four or five months after the fact now,
after the talk. I then get a voice note from
the guy, from TEDx, basically saying, listen,
man, we're not going to publish your talk. Like
your talk's not going to get published. And I
was about to go on this Summit at Sea cruise
thing, like literally the day after. So I didn't
really fully process. everything that was happening
i was like okay i'm gonna make sure i get this
talk published you know what i mean but uh after
a couple months i was like listen man like this
is insane like at least give me my talk the file
so i can post it on my platforms he's like oh
no we can't do that because actually the talk
owns is belonged belongs to ted wow they own
the talk and i'm like you're joking right like
this is absolutely criminal like literally years
went into this experience and um fast forward
we're recording at the end of may 2025 i still
have never seen the talk i've tried to like email
people from ted it's been probably one of the
more painful experiences i've ever navigated
because literally if that talk would have gone
it would have done so much like it would have
moved the needle in a massive way so why don't
you recreate the talk with the same powerpoints
on your own show and just do it yeah no i know
i still have the powerpoints right yeah like
it's not even do it i know i've i've a couple
people have mentioned that i don't know i it
was because you have a pretty big platform Would
it be flagged if you did that presentation and
posted it? No, probably not. Literally, I've
said way more. There's literally nothing. The
thing that was most disappointing, honestly,
was just the lack of accountability by grown
-ass men. These guys are in their 50s. This guy
paid to coach me and make sure this stuff didn't
happen. And it was like he completely ghosted
me after the fact. And there's just. You paying
a lot of money? I mean, yeah, for me it was a
lot of money. I mean, it was, yeah, like, but
that's not even the point. It was literally like
three years of my life. Yeah. And so this was
one of the things, like, I was holding on to
a lot of anger and resentment about this. So
during my ayahuasca experience, most recently,
last week, I was like, man, please, just, I want
to release any. weight that I'm holding on to
that's preventing me from... In general. Yeah.
In general. Yeah. Yeah. Because if you're holding
on to that resentment and anger, you're not going
to allow, you're not going to, you're not going
to bring in better opportunities until you clear
that up. Yeah. Yeah. So... You need to be completely
free of everything. Yeah. So you can soar. Yeah.
It's not easy, but... So what happened? So I
mean... So you sat with the medicine last week.
Yes. And this came up. You put it out there,
God, higher power, please show me what I need
to see that's getting in the way of being the
best version of myself. And this came up. Just,
yeah, this experience came up. Some of the other
instances, because I'm like, yo, I've been just...
I'm working relentlessly nonstop. I'm like, there's
times where I'm like, I should be further along
in certain areas, right? And then I look back
at some of these obstacles and challenges. I'm
like, this is crazy. I feel like so many things
have just happened to me. So the medicine was
telling me, bro, you've got to get out. You can't
play the victim. You can't. Yeah, these things
are pretty fucked up that happened. So it's it's
it's finding this balance between like, OK, this
happened. It's really shitty. I'm going to have
grace for myself. And if I continue to just relive
the past. That's not going to serve me or anyone
else in a positive way. So, yeah, there's there's
and there's the people, too. There's the people
like if I told you I. You can feel the emotion.
If I said I was completely released of resent
towards those people, resentment towards those
people from TEDx, I would be lying. It's not
completely gone. Because I think... I could just
never imagine myself doing something like that.
It's just horrific. Some people... Some people
are just operating at such a low level of integrity.
You haven't found compassion for them. At some
point you'll find compassion for them, and then
maybe that'll help. But you have to also think
that they might be somehow controlled by pharma.
Pharma doesn't want people to know that there
is a very cheap substance out there that won't
make you addicted. it will actually help strengthen
your brain and allow you to come out of the depression
because the pharmaceutical industry for depression
medication is huge. Of course. Huge. And it is
not reversing depression. It's just turning people
into zombies. Yeah. This actually connects them
to their higher self. This actually brings them
out and uplifted, not needing pharma because
you become more conscious and alert. Exactly.
So it's not like you had, you know, a couple
of dopes who was trying to stop you. They probably
received a phone call that said, you're not going
to let that show air. That's probably more likely
what happened. And these people probably have
a family, and they're living paycheck to paycheck,
right, on a very expensive salary, and they probably
can't, you know, find a job somewhere else. So
they're not going to stand their ground and say
the truth. Think about... So many other situations
where this has happened, where intelligent people
know what they're doing is wrong, but because
they're afraid to lose their job, they're not
going to say anything. We're in the minority
that we're willing to say something no matter
what because we want to stand in integrity at
all times. Unfortunately, the majority of the
population is not like that. At the end of the
day, it's a process anyway. She can tell you,
I can tell you until we're blue in the face.
This is why it happened and get over it. It doesn't
matter. You have to get to that place yourself
at some point. And everybody on the show who
comes on the show has experienced a period of
cancellation, has gone through everything that
you felt. The anger, resentment, sadness, whatever
it is. It sounds like all those emotions bubbled
up for you. So how bad did it get? I mean, were
you walking around with low -level anger all
the time or did it arise at certain... instances
i think no definitely not at all times but i
i think it was it was one of those things too
it's like it's kind of hard to fully process
something like that because it's like okay it
happened i'm angry i'm upset about it all right
like let's move on but then there's those times
where out of nowhere you just start thinking
about it Right. And then you talk to a friend
and they're like prepping for their TEDx talk.
And it's like, oh, I remember the days. I remember
the days. So there's just these little things
that like trigger the conversation again. So,
yeah, there's that. And then and then there's
I would say the most recent instance when I got
erased. It wasn't necessarily from a platform,
but it was after October 7th. Gaza and Israel.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was a very interesting
time as well. What happened? Basically, I had
never shared anything about my Judaism or anything
like that on social media, really. It was just
not like a... I was always proud of being Jewish,
but it just wasn't like a big... You didn't wear
your nice gold chain over here. Yeah, I got this
after. I got this after. But it wasn't like a
big part of my identity. You know what I mean?
And then after that happened, and seeing the
response from people all over the world, like
the next day, people are like celebrating in
the streets. And I was like, this is so messed
up. Like what? 1 ,200 people just got absolutely...
ransacked and raped and murdered at a music festival
like if I was living in Israel I would have been
at that festival you know and it just hit me
very hard and I started you know a couple days
after I was like I couldn't I would wake up at
3 34 in the morning and I was like it was basically
just messages from God like yo bro you need to
speak the truth you need to speak the truth because
so many people were just it was all anti anti
-israel this is before even israel started going
into gaza wow you know and i was like you know
this is absolutely insane people are saying things
like um israel is an apartheid state i mean i've
lived in israel for a year so i know i i mean
all these people who are just spitting nonsense
like i can actually pretty much just prove them
wrong with the facts Because most of these people
have never actually been there or talked to anyone
who's lived there. It was regurgitating. Exactly.
So that was crazy. It was something that I didn't
even choose to do, honestly. It just felt like
I would wake up and I was like, I have to talk
about this. And I was like, everything else feels
insignificant to me right now. I'm talking about
this ingredient. I'm like, yo, it doesn't even
seem important anymore. You know, I actually
learned this recently. That when that happens
and you're not feeling something else, you're
tapped into feeling this direction, that's God
talking to you. That's your angels talking to
you. Because it wants you to do that thing that
actually feels right. It no longer wants you
to do that thing that doesn't feel good. And
I'm actually tapping into this a lot more. Because
in business, sometimes you need to make a decision
whether you go left or right. And just recently,
even, I was in a situation where, you know, something
has been coming up. And I just, I felt something
in my stomach that was like no longer wanting
to go in this direction. But then I felt guilty
about that direction. Can't really share what
that is. You know, yeah. Can't share with it
right now. But then the other direction that
I want to go in, I would get butterflies of excitement.
And then I learned that's because that's your
message. That's your messaging from God and your
angels to help guide you. So the more you tap
into that and the more you listen to that, you'll
know what direction you always need to be in
and what you need to talk about. And so not talking
about ingredients isn't lighting that fire in
your soul, isn't exciting your soul. It means...
that you're done with that you need to move on
to the thing that is because that's your voice
listen to it that's your message it's great advice
honestly and david i would love you can you can
chime in as well because I feel like you're pretty
connected as well to your intuition. Yeah, I
mean, I think God and the angels speaks more
directly to Leila. They speak to you. You just
don't listen as much. Because, you know, there's
one big thing. When you're tapped into God and
your angels, you cannot be in a state of anxiety.
You cannot be in a state of fear. Any of these
states that are in your lower part of your brain,
you cannot hear. And you meditate a lot. God
speaks to me, since we're on the subject, in
a different way than I think God speaks with
her. When I meditate, when I get my brainwaves
to slow down to the place where I really want
it to be, I have an epiphany. And that is God
speaking to me. What's a recent example of that?
Oh, gosh. You put me on the spot. I think, I
don't know. There's a guy that we met who we
think is cheating on his wife, and I just really
connected with him, you know, his feelings. I
don't know what's going on with him. And I felt
I need to distance myself, you know, because
I think it's not an energy that I want to be
around. I just want to, you know, I love what
we have, you know. So I think that was an epiphany
for me. And I felt really close to you. And then
I sent you that text, you know. I sent you, I
was way. I sent her a text saying how much I
appreciate her. What did I say? How much I love
her. It must be tough, too, because you guys
are managing a lot of energy. I know it's mostly
you at the school, but you said you're getting
more involved. He's very busy. He has, you know,
he's got the farm. He's got a race. He's got
a lot of things, you know, and he's the leader
of the brotherhood at our school. So he's got
a lot of things going on. Yeah. But, you know,
I'll tell you, for me, it happened very recently
in the wellness center. You know, just like I
feel like God putting a fragile soul on our lap.
who the medical industry sent her home to die.
She had literally 14 days to live. They massively
radiated her body four different times, burned
her with chemo, and on the last round of chemo
was like, your body's not going to take any more
of what we're throwing at you, so we're going
to send you home to hospice. get everything in
order, young 36 -year -old girl, beautiful girl,
65 pounds, and told the parents to basically
just say your goodbyes. Two weeks. So you had
two weeks to live. This was March 1st. And God
orchestrated putting her on our lap, and we are
now over two months later. Her cancer markers
are going down, and she's far from on death's
door. And I feel like... God has been talking
to me about her and just kind of refocusing my
inspiration, which is really getting people to
understand that there is an alternative way.
Focus on cleaning your body, getting the toxins
out. Don't wait until you have cancer. Take care
of yourself now. But God forbid you do get cancer,
it doesn't mean you need to radiate and poison
yourself. Go explore alternatives first, right?
And it's interesting because I've been spending
a lot of time with this young lady and she's
really, that's her passion now. She wants to
share with the world. Of course. That there are
options. And even if your medical team does send
you home to die, like they did with her in a
traditional hospital, that doesn't mean you need
to accept it. Yeah. You can say, kiss my ass,
you're not God. You don't get to tell me to go
home and die. That's, I mean, that's, we've talked
about it before, but that's like, that's really,
That's the definition, I think, of hero's journey
is like you go through a massive challenge or
obstacle in your life. You survive it. And now,
of course, you're going to want to help others
overcome the same. Same with you when you were
struggling with Lyme. And then that's what led
you to find. I mean, there's no one. It's not
like you chose to do all of these things just
because your life and your health was amazing.
You were going through your own struggles. And
then you are kind of forced to be your own healer.
And now it's like you're opening up these centers
so others can access the same things. And it's
like David, I think, is similar with all the
stuff that he does. When I met David, he was
growing tomatoes in his apartment. Huge tomatoes
like this big in one of the bedrooms of his apartment.
This is in New York. This was 13 years ago, 14
years ago. He was growing tomatoes in his apartment.
So it kind of makes sense we own a regenerative
farm, right? Were you always interested in that?
I was super interested in that stuff, growing
food. I love that stuff. I still haven't been
to the farm, by the way. You need to come. It's
amazing. It's a really special place. For the
audience, it's a regenerative agriculture farm
in South Miami, about 34 acres. We grow everything
you can imagine there. Plus, we grow food hydroponically.
We grow fish and shrimp aquaponically. We have
600 egg layers of chickens. We have honey from
our bees. And we just started our mushroom production.
And we also own an 800 -acre ranch in Oklahoma
where we're producing all of our poultry. And
what I'm really excited about. And we feed the
kids in schools. It's literally farm to cafeteria,
regenerative agriculture food. But we're opening
our first cafe. In September, right in the middle
of the city of Miami, Farm to Table Regenerative
Agriculture. What's it called? Well, the farm
is called Regenerate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The cafe
is going to be called Regenerate Cafe. And where
is it going to be? 34th and Northwest 2nd Avenue.
Oh, my. You guys got to involve me in that. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. We're going to do a huge open house.
Please. Put in your calendar. It's going to be
beginning of September. That's going to be sick.
Right around the corner. It's going to be beautiful.
So those are my pet projects. I get a lot of
joy out of that. So back to you. Do you feel,
you've been through a lot of stuff, a lot of
downs, a lot of ups, but a lot of downs as well.
Have you been able to realize there's a purpose,
grand purpose to all of this? And if so, what
do you think that purpose is? Yeah, yeah. That's
a good question. So pretty much, With this most
recent journey I had in Costa Rica, I sat with
medicine four nights in a row and I made the
commitment when I went there, I was like, I'm
going all in. I'm going to push myself through
the discomfort. If I'm feeling like, oh, I'm
good right now, I'm actually going to get up
and have another cup. That was my mindset. And
the reason I wanted to do that is because I realized
like the first, basically the first, Rhythmia
has this beautiful, I won't go through it all,
but they have this beautiful kind of like journey
they take you through where there's three core
intentions for the week. The first one is show
me who I've become through all my past traumas
and events. Like how am I showing up in the world
now? So like I even journaled like who have I
become, right? And, you know, I realized that
through all of these experiences, the person
I became, and this isn't who I was like a majority
of the time, right? Still, if you were to see
me, it's like, oh, like Jeremy, he's just like,
he's the guy. He's like doing great. But I became
avoidant, passive aggressive, holding grudges
and resentful. being impatient, short -term focused,
hurting people from an unhealed heart. And it
was all a projection of all these things that
happened. It was like this, almost like a lack
of, like a feeling of betrayal and a lack of
trust. And when there's those feelings, it impacts
everything, even when you're not even conscious
of it. So the first thing that I had to do was
seeing how all of these things impacted my behavior.
And then once I have the awareness of that, I
can recognize like, that's not me. That's not
me. And then it's like, okay. So as the journey
continues, it was basically like God, the medicine
saying, listen, man, you are here for a reason,
a big reason, a bigger reason than most people.
You're here to make a massive impact. So you're
going to have to be put through more challenges
than most people. and i was like i and i remember
getting that like i remember like getting that
in the ceremony and i just started laughing i'm
like oh like it makes sense and i'm like oh like
okay i get it i get it but like how much more
of this is gonna happen i feel like you know
i'm good right now so um that's good yeah so
so it was it was good and it was also like listen
i mean it's all It's all part of the story. It's
all part of the story and it's all part of the
movie. It's all part of the book. And at the
end of the day also, I feel like even this last
experience I had, I went through a lot of pain.
Like it was very uncomfortable. And I think the
reason I had to experience all of this was to
cultivate more compassion for humanity as a whole,
for people that I work with. For people that
I'm helping, it's like if I haven't gone through
any real adversity in my life, then how am I
supposed to actually be able to hold space and
sit with someone who's going through a lot of
really difficult things? So the cancellation,
basically all of your life's challenges, you
think, are a grand design to set you up so you
can really move the needle on humanity. That's
sort of like the grand purpose of maybe all of
the struggles that you've been through. Yeah,
and... But you know, what I've read actually
says, we all, before we were born, our purpose
was been written, right? By God, before we were
born. We all have free will, right? So as we
go through life and we experience these challenges
that are meant to level up our soul, that are
meant to help us go closer towards our purpose,
everybody has one. It's just who has decided
to make the decision to go towards that. You
know what I'm saying? So it's like you look at
all these people that are in prison or homeless
people. It doesn't mean they didn't have a purpose.
They just free will chose to not go in that direction.
I mean, I was 13 and my best friends were pregnant.
We lived in a horrible neighborhood, you know,
drug infested, gang infested. But I made different
choices. I had we all had free will. Right. And
so. You know, it's just a matter of listening
and tuning in, and that's what you're doing.
You're listening and you're tuning in, so you're
following your purpose, your grand purpose to
here make this world a better place, which we
all have that. It's just most people don't listen
to it. You know, I think one thing that we have
in common that I think you would agree on is
we have a tremendous amount of courage. Why do
you think you have so much courage? Where did
that come from? Were you born with it? Where
does courage come from? Because a lot of people
can't go down the path that you've gone down.
They just can't and they won't. Their entire
life. That's interesting. First of all, I love
all of your Kabbalah teachings. By the way, I'm
really good friends with Raheli and I think her
dad, Eitan, right? Yeah, he's my teacher. That's
amazing. That's an interesting question, David.
It's funny because I don't even think I've ever
really considered myself to be, courageous until
actually this past week and it came it actually
came up because it was like the universe and
god always rewards bravery so like doing hard
things usually gets rewarded at some point right
um and man i just feel like like i just have
i i genuinely have so much gratitude for my parents
I have so much gratitude for my grandparents
who are all deceased I have so much gratitude
for honestly all of the people who are part of
my lineage that I never had the chance to meet
and that sacrificed so much to give me this opportunity
so I feel like an obligation to just make the
most of this life that I've been gifted and yeah
like I just don't want to, I don't want to ask
myself later in life, like, what if, like, what
if I would have, you know, really just gone all
in on myself and pursued my path. So, you know,
I think especially the last couple of years,
I could feel some of these different things were
weighing down on me. And I didn't want that to
continue. So I needed to make a change, you know,
like. insanity is doing the same thing over and
over again and expecting a different result.
So it was like, okay, I haven't sat with the
medicine in like two and a half years. Rhythmia
contacted me because they want to be partners
with me as we're building something, a really
cool program together. And I was like, okay,
they're flying me out there. This is amazing.
I'm definitely going to say yes to this and just
surrender completely. I think that, first of
all, I disagree with you. I think you've been
a very courageous person for a really long time.
It's inherently in you. And it might be inherently
within us. We might have been born with it and
put into specific circumstances that were very
challenging and that courage needed to come into
play at some point as those situations arose.
And we rose up to the occasion. I think that's
what happened. Some people, and I'm sure you
meet people all the time in your line of work
trying to get people to maybe, lean into microdosing
or whatever it is many people are not up for
it yeah right they're just not up for it and
they're not going to never will well that that's
that's a good point and i think they're afraid
to see the truth exactly and i think and i think
that that's really what comes down to it it's
i'm at this point i'm so committed another thing
that came through for me is last week was just
living a life fully aligned with the truth yeah
in every in every aspect of the word so like
not being even a little bit dishonest about anything
you know because it's very easy it's very easy
you know like to be 90 % honest and then like
when there's little inconvenient moments like
you can kind of bend around things and the medicine
was telling me like bro keep going all in on
the truth the truth will set you free and we're
living in a world right now where people don't
know what's real, what's AI, the real thing that's
going to separate, in my opinion, the real thing
that's going to separate people for the next
couple decades is who is actually courageous
enough to be authentic? Who is courageous enough
to be themselves? That's why I'm so... You've
been doing this for a while, but I'm so happy
that David is doing this because I think I've
been saying it for a couple years. I'm like...
Obviously, this man has so much wisdom and knowledge
to share based on your whole human experience.
And now, like, the world gets to be blessed with
some of that knowledge. And you get to share
some of your truth because I think it's so important
for you. His episode has been, you know, high
up there. Yeah. They like his words. They want
to hear more from you, honey. I will. I am. And
I'm more comfortable doing it. I'm sort of like
you at the beginning of your journey, you know,
where you're like, do people really want to hear
what I have to say? You know. camera shy a little
bit but I'm feeling I'm plowing through that
and I'm feeling better yeah I'm fine well I think
also I think also for you guys as a as a unit
it's like I've told you guys both too there's
very few people in the world that someone like
me has to look up to not only from like a business
and success point of view, because there's tons
of successful people, right? But it's like, who
has actually replicated that success in other
areas of life? Who's actually using their success
and their abundance for making the world a better
place, for giving back to the community, right?
Who's showing up as a powerful, present husband,
wife, mom, dad? There's very few people in the
world who are actually embodying all of those.
You know, we were broken. We've come from very
broken backgrounds. But when we first met...
We were broke with no money and broken. So when
we first met, literally our second date, she
started talking about self -improvement and Tony
Robbins tapes and all that. I'm like, this is
great. Because I'm into self -improvement as
well. And anybody asks me for relationship advice,
I always tell them, you know, find somebody who's
into improving themselves because that is super
sustainable. If you're into improving yourself
and your partner is not, it's not going to work.
It's not going to work. And we can look back
now after all the work that we've done on ourselves.
Oh, my God. It's amazing we're still together
because at the beginning we were, you know, coming
from a lot of rough. It was rough. There were
challenges. If he didn't work on himself individually,
I didn't work on myself individually, and we
didn't work on our relationship, it wouldn't
have lasted. That's why divorces have such a
high percentage right now. I've heard people
say, I am who I am, so deal with it. I'm sorry,
but that's bullshit. What you're saying is you
are who you are. You're not willing to grow and
evolve your soul. You're going to stay here and
live on this planet and stay the same person
that you were? Even no matter if it's whatever
it is, we always, as I look at it this way, just
like in business, every day is an opportunity
to be better than the previous day. Continuous
improvement. Your soul is the same way. Every
day is an opportunity to level up your soul.
And so the day you die. So that's the advice
that we both give people looking for a relationship
or new couples. focus on your soul focus on leveling
up your soul and do it separately and do it together
we've done things separately you know we do things
together but i will tell you our relationship
wouldn't have lasted if one of us was like i
am who i am deal with it yeah yeah the other
would be like all right well i'm out of here
was there ever a point where it got Close to
that or not? Never. That was one of the beautiful
things that we have in our relationship. Actually,
it's the opposite. When one of us goes somewhere
and levels up, the other person's like, I want
some of that. Oh, shit, they're ahead. Yeah,
well, there's also like the notion of, there's
also like, you know. It's almost like a spiritual
competitive game where it's like, oh, my God,
that guy. You know, he went to this and he came
back even calmer. Well, how can I go to that?
Like, sign me up. Like, that's how a relationship
is. That's what happened with the first India
trip, right? You came back and then you wanted
to go. Exactly. Yeah. Like, I want some of that.
Yeah. And then he'll go do something and I'm
like, honey, wow, you came back super calm. I
need to go to that. When's the last thing that
he went to and he came back and you're like,
I need to do that? I think it was probably karma.
You went to karma with our Indian ashram. Yeah.
It was about karma. He did a karma thing. He
came back, like, super peaceful and calm. And
I was like, I'm signing up for the next one.
And did that already happen? Did you go? Of course.
Yeah. When are you guys next doing that? Don't
you guys do one a year? Yeah. I do maybe one
or two a year. But now we're doing, you know,
he's doing some different things. Yeah, I just
love the modalities that I'm doing. Yeah. There's
a lot of ways to skin a cat. You know, for anybody
in the audience, you know, if you want to level
up your soul, there's really so many things to
lean on to. Well, there's also... Wait, sorry,
hold on one second. Monica, are you saying it's
time? What was the sign? I said wrap. How many
minutes do we have left? It's 520. Yeah? It's
520, and your next one is at 545. I'll give you
another one. Me and David, or just me? Just you.
520? Okay, so we have a good five minutes. Yeah,
we're good. Monica, can you get a little B -roll?
Okay. Monica, can you get a little B -roll with
my phone? Yeah. It's right here. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Thank you. Yeah, you can post and collaborate.
Yeah, yeah. So there's something interesting
about this, right? Because it's like 1 ,000 %
agree. Wait, Monica, I think he wants B -roll
here. Where'd you go? Yeah, B -roll here. Yeah,
she's going to get it there. Okay, so do it again.
Sorry, sorry. Start over, start over. Sorry,
sorry. Monica knows what's up. So there's everything
that you were just saying about like the best
way for a relationship to really thrive is both
people be on their own journey of elevating and
expanding. And then collectively you have that
mindset. And then it's like you go to places
that you can never imagine. And then there's
the notion of like, You shouldn't try to change
someone, right? You should accept people for
who they are. So where do you kind of find the
balance in that? Well, you don't try and change
the other person. You work on yourself. That
was the biggest message I got when I went to
India first without him. And it just, everything
hit me like, oh my God, like I realized. You
know, I was blaming people for everything, you
know, and I was like a victim. So I asked the
monk, I was like, listen, my husband definitely
needs to come here. He's got a lot of things.
He goes, listen, stop. You focus on you. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. You elevate your soul and if you
guys are the right fit, he's going to want to
be here. You should not even ask him to come
here. Yeah. Focus on you. Why are you focused
on him? You need to focus on you, your soul,
and you loving up your energy, your aura, everything.
And then that person will either join you to
work on themselves or they'll run away. And so
he said to me, I've seen relationships happen
both directions. I've seen partners run away
from the other person because they were too afraid
to look within. They were not ready to look within.
So the other person was climbing, climbing, climbing.
And the partner was still staying down here.
And it doesn't work. So you cannot, I could not
sit there and say, David, you have to go to India.
David, you have to level up. No, no, no, no,
no. He would resent that. No, but it's not right.
They got to do it from their own soul. They got
to do it because they want to do it. And I think
that's the biggest mistake that relationships
make is they try to change the other person.
Yeah. And there's also the concept of not just.
not accepting the other person, but holding space
for somebody. That's a fine distinction. There
could be something I don't like, something that
was said, or some behavior that I don't like,
but I can hold space like crazy for that person,
which is a great container. He's really good
at that, by the way. He's so good at that. You're
so good at that. That's my superpower. That's
a superpower. Even our kids can recognize that's
a superpower. And that's a very safe container
for the other person, for them to level up. Yeah.
You know? Yeah. Hold on. What you just said,
I don't even know if you realize how magical
what he just said. Holding space for that person
so they can have the opportunity to level up.
When somebody is in your face forcing you to
level up, demanding for you to level up, you
can't come out of your shell. You're afraid.
You're like a turtle not sure if you're about
to get your head chopped off. So you stay within
that container that's your safe container. your
partner was your safe container, then you can
come out and start to explore. And I always felt
super safe with David. And of course, I'll never
be perfect. We're not perfect. And sometimes
he has to give me a big hug and just be like,
look, I know you're super frustrated right now.
Let's just breathe together. Because no matter
how often I meditate or pray or have my one -on
-ones with Etan, my Kabbalah teacher, I go to
India, I'm never going to be perfect. It's always
an opportunity to work on your soul. So when
I hear beautiful relationships wanting to break
up because of stupid things, I'm like, you're
just going to meet the next person that's going
to have their own shit of drama and trauma. So
you want to break up because of this? The next
person is going to have just another realm of
that, right? So just try and work on yourself.
Let him work on his self and see where you go
from there. And I'm telling you, I've had about
maybe five marriages that didn't break up because
they focused on themselves. I feel like you guys
probably indirectly are also like marriage counselors
to a lot of the parents at your school. He's
a lot more than I am. Not like telling them what
to do. You also broke up people too. There's
a lot of people who have not stayed together
because they know something's inherently not
good and it's not going to... We haven't... We
didn't... We weren't... We didn't do it. No,
it's... For example, we had a doula when we were,
you know, having our baby. And the doula literally
divorced her husband because she saw the love
that we had together during the hardest part
of life, which is a woman delivering a baby.
And mine was three days. right so it was like
traumatic and we actually were getting closer
and closer by the minute she would tell us that
she would see relationships that would just fall
apart because it's really hard you know the way
she would see us continue to love each other
even though it was like you know craziness after
craziness that was happening ended up in an emergency
you know c -section situation we came even closer
and closer you know and so when she saw that
she realized you know my my relationship doesn't
have any love in it and so she got a divorce
because of what she saw so it's not because of
us because of what people witness within us and
that's that's honestly why i was saying That's
why I was saying we need more examples. We need
to normalize relationships like you, right? Because
right now, even so many of the relationships
you see on the internet or social media, and
it's like, oh, they appear to be just living
this dream life. I can't tell you how many of
those relationships I've actually witnessed in
real life, and it's complete chaos. And it's
a complete facade that they're posting online,
right? And they're almost like leveraging their
relationship and their beautiful family to like
build their business and like appear to be someone
that they're not. We've seen those. Yeah. And
there's a lot of that. We've seen a lot of that.
But yeah, I would second, like David's always
just been, you've always just been a really,
really safe space to have any conversation where
literally there feels like zero judgment. And
that's hard to find. He's a great listener. Yeah.
Again, our 10 -year -old, it's one of the things
that when we sit around the table and we'll have
a discussion, you know, what I love about mom,
what I love about dad, what I love about, you
know, each other. And his is, you know, dad is
just such a great listener. Wow. He can just
listen. With no devices, no electronics, he can
just listen. And that's definitely your superpower.
That's probably the best compliment I would say
like any parent, especially a dad, could get.
That's like emotional, bro. We have to hold space
for our kids too. She wants us to wrap up. We
have to hold space for our kids too, especially
their evolution is happening. He's my role model
in it. He's definitely my role model. I'm like
literally, you said you want, I don't know if
you, I'm like literally emotional at that because
that's like, that's incredible. Oh, we got the
tears. That's incredible. It's a good place to
end. But also, if you think about where so much
of our trauma stems from, those first seven years
of life, right? And so much of that happens from
not fully feeling safe or seen. So if you can
create a space and an environment where it's
like there's full acceptance and you can share
whatever's on your heart, you can express yourself
without being shamed or feeling guilty about
it. That's just creating an environment of healing
and health. It's a level up space. It's an incubation
for allowing a soul to level up. Yeah. That's
what I try to do. So Jeremy, you're the best,
man. Thank you for coming. This was fun. I'm
really honored to be able to be here.