Everyone gets disappointed in life. That's the
misconception that a lot of people fail to remember
is that they think that when they're going through
something, it's only happening to them. It's
only them that's going through it. Discouragement
is where it's different because discouragement
is when you refuse to be hopeful. Discouragement
is when you refuse to work through it. Discouragement
is when you just want to be negative Nancy to
every single person that you talk to. So it's
like when you're somebody that can take those
kinds of things and realize that this happens
and you try to find a way out of it, that's when
things change. What a fun show we have today.
Olympic athlete Anthony Watson. What a journey
he's had. His sport is the skeleton. It's sort
of like a bobsled. It's like this rectangular
thing a few inches off the ice, and it goes as
fast as... 84 miles an hour is your top speed?
84 miles per hour. Not my top speed, but the
top speed that's been clocked. I think the fastest
I've ever gone has been like 80, 80. That's crazy.
I saw some videos of crash compilations. I literally
had to stop watching this thing. Have you ever
been in that situation? Oh, I've lost teeth.
because of crashing like that lost teeth my helmet
flew off hit my face like on a rare patch of
like raw concrete that the ice had gotten like
broken off of and um when i got back i had a
mouthpiece in there but it felt like i was chewing
like a mouthful of crackers and i was like what
the heck and i was like and then i was like oh
That's like this whole entire side of my mouth
smashed and whatnot. So you were a serious athlete.
Oh, I was. We make fun of the bobsled and the
luge and all, you know. But you were a serious
athlete, and you had an injury, and that compelled
you to go into this sport? Is that what happened?
Yeah, so I grew up in New Jersey, so I'm an East
Coaster, you know. Love the beach and love everything
humidity, so I'm really happy to be in Miami
right now. But I grew up in... what other people
would consider like unfortunate situations, like
really humble beginnings and stuff. But I had
two really good God -fearing parents that like
refused to let me be what society was trying
to shape me into being. And so, you know, I think
that, you know, parents, you know, have a really
like hard job, but the results that you guys
get when you dedicate the time to actually being
a parent, because far too many that, you know,
like you have moms and dads everywhere. You got
baby mamas and baby dads galore with zero responsibility.
Very few people that actually want to be parents.
So that's doing the due diligence of everything
you need to do to make sure that your kids have
the values and morals instilled in them and then
grow up. And so I remember at the young age of
six, I was watching the Olympics, Michael Johnson,
Mr. Gold Cleats in the 96 games here in Atlanta
in the 90s. And I told my dad, I was like, I
want to do that someday. And he told me three
things. He said, you honor God, you make good
decisions, surround yourself with people that
make good decisions, and you'll be able to go
anywhere. Growing up, I mean, I had my rebellious
stage and whatnot, but I had a dad that wasn't
afraid to discipline me with that thing that
he called his belt every now and then. And, you
know, I stand here as somebody through hard work,
dedication is is an Olympian. OK, so you represented
Jamaica. Your dad is Jamaican. And so that allowed
you the. Yeah, my dad immigrated here from Jamaica
legally. Making sure I just specify that. But
he he came here and then I met my mother when
he was in college. They got married and then
I'm, you know, just a byproduct of that story.
But that's I'm first generation American. So,
you know, I have a deeper appreciation because
I have parents that both come from families that
were born outside of the United States. So how
long were you how long was it one time that you
were in the Olympics or how many times? I was
an alternate for Team USA in 2014, but didn't
get to compete. And then I made history as the
first ever Jamaican to compete in the 2018 Winter
Olympics for Jamaica. So I started with Team
USA, but then didn't really see my pathway getting
there. And then through politics and like there
was, I think, 33 dudes competing for three spots.
And then through everything that they had, I
was just like, yeah, realistically, I wouldn't
have had a chance had I. stuck with it until
about like three years ago to actually like try
had i stuck it out and um so i switched and a
lot of athletes normally do that so you see a
lot of athletes that start with predominantly
big countries that train them really well then
they go to smaller countries and then they just
take the training and then they do really good
and then they get a better chance at getting
in and so that's the pathway that i took and
it came with a lot of flack everyone's like you're
cheating you're taking the easy way out i'm like
listen if you had dual citizenship yeah i was
like i'm sorry that you're german and canadian
they're two powerhouses and you can't you know
go that route choose to be a girl oh oh my oh
don't even get me started on that okay we're
opening the can of worms right away i love it
come on we gotta hear the story So and then what
did you did you have an accident or how long?
When did you end that? I competed in bobsledding
and skeleton, I think, for a 12 to 13 year career.
Wow. So I had been in it for a minute and then
everything kind of came toppling over in 2019
going into 2020 when we were at the height of
like Black Lives Matter and everything else.
And I was doing an interview and then criticized
them and then said that. I think BLM is dumb.
I was getting interviewed by a Latvian reporter
overseas. And it was me, this other guy from
Ghana. We were the only two black people competing
in Skeleton, period. He was all about it. And
I wasn't. And then there was like one, two guys
in Team USA, three guys for the. brits and then
like one guy one black guy for the austrian guys
like and then and then i think two for the germans
so naturally when you see like another brother
in like a sea of like whatever but i've always
felt at home yeah and those kind of areas you
know like i went to a private school growing
up and you know where i was like one out of five
but you know to me it was just like being around
people who were caucasian like felt normal yeah
yeah so when i'd see people i wasn't doing anything
else the only time i would ever think about it
was when all these other people would be like
yeah man it's just all these white people i'm
like oh i i you didn't even know i never even
like thought about it i guess we are kind of
like outnumbered here but i was like at this
point race doesn't matter the only race that
matters is how quick you can get from this race
to the bottom of that one yeah and so i'm like
it's got nothing to do with it and i said and
besides you guys got the superior genetics so
what i said what do you what are you pouting
about And so, you know, so she did an interview
with me and her question was, so with everything
happening in the world right now, you know, like
everything happening with, you know, George Floyd
and like, so it's like as a black man, it's 2019.
Okay. And then after I did this, after I did
this interview, like they scrubbed it. You can't
find it anywhere because I guess the IBSF and
like everybody else were like, oh, we don't want
any record of that. So, so I simply said that
they were just like, so what do you think? Do
you feel like, do you feel like that's impacted
you as an athlete here to give you a better chance
to succeed? And I said, I think BLM is the dumbest
scam out there. And I said it before Candace
did. So I want my props. You should trademark
that. With her. You should trademark BLM. And
she was like dumbfounded. Didn't know what to
do. Didn't know what to say. And then out of
everything came out and was just like, do you
care to explain? And I was like, you have to
be an idiot to hire strangers that don't live
in your neighborhood to bust them and fly them
in to come and destroy everything that you own
to then. They get to go home and then you get
to, you have to go back and now live in this
mess that you created. And I was like, if BLM
really cleared about black people, I said. What
community have they cleaned up after they destroyed
it? I said, what black business have they invested
in that got destroyed in the mayhem and in the
crossfire? Because I said, the news captured
a lot of people who were black business owners
being like, I put all of my life savings into
this. I don't have any insurance. Like, I'm not
going to recover from this. This thing really
like took me out heartbroken and crying. I said,
they haven't put any kid through school. They
haven't fixed any community. They haven't donated
to break broken families whole again. And I said,
the same people that they were criticizing, you
know, are now their next door neighbors. Because
now they'd want an easier life for themselves
because all they did was criticize everybody
else. And I said, you got to be dumb to think
that that's actually something that you could
support. And then a week later, all of my sponsors,
they dropped me. Okay, so here we go. But you
missed one thing, though. They did use the money
to buy some mansions. Well, yeah, that's what
BLM stands for. I buy a lot of real estate. So
Olympic athletes don't make any money. Let's
clarify that in the first place. So I don't know,
you get a stipend or something. Somehow you're
able to keep your head above water all these
years. You're pursuing your sport. Finally, you
start to get some sponsorships. If you can, who
are these sponsors? How much money were you making?
When times are at your best in this area, what
did that look like? Well, when it was at the
worst, it was literally my parents and my siblings
were like all working part -time jobs. I remember
my dad got himself this expensive watch as a
gift, and he almost went out to pawn it. to give
me money to go and help me stay supported. While
you're pursuing your sport. While I'm pursuing
my sport. It's not the aftermath. No, no. It's
on the way up. This is on the come up. This is
like how much of a struggle it is. As an Olympian,
you have to cover all of your training costs,
all of your travel, all of your race fees, your
training fees. Anytime you want to go work out,
you have to pay for it. Your meals. I was like
your flights, your hotels, your rental cars.
You have to cover and pay for all of that. And
then if you have a coach full time, like if you
were my coach and you were traveling with me,
I had to accommodate everything. I had to pay
for your flight. I had to pay your yearly salary.
I had to pay for your hotel, your food, and everything
else, plus the fees that you would have to charge
on top of coaching. And you have to retain your
amateurship, too. You can't take money from anybody,
right? Are you allowed to? You were allowed to,
but it was when Olympians, like athletes, would
qualify and get to the Olympics, we... legally
weren't allowed to promote our sponsors on the
olympic level it wasn't until 2022 that the olympic
committee finally abolished that and they're
just like fine if you have sponsors that help
you get here you can promote them and do all
this other stuff so that's what started changing
but that was after i was already gone okay and
so like i was sponsored by a couple of really
really big predominant sports clubs and everything
else and then um you know a couple of very private
um very wealthy uh groups that were like oh my
gosh we love what you're doing and everything
else and so i went from sports clubs what do
you like what like uh it's like sports brands
you know like okay Oh, can I? Yeah. I was like,
you can just bleep it out. So I was sponsored
by Nike. I was sponsored by Gatorade. I was sponsored
by, you know, like Mercedes. Big names. You know,
and so like. Biggest. These things would like,
you know, but Mercedes, like I wouldn't like
get a car. But like when I was in another country,
I would give them like a card that would let
me have a free rental if they had a Mercedes
on site. Wow. So like things like that, you know,
then I would get like partnerships with like
hotels to like have free stays and like Airbnbs
to have like free stays here and there to kind
of help me because, you know, when you're expensive
and like these are some of the most expensive
places in the world that you could go to because
they're historic, they're Olympic sites and,
you know, people have to upkeep everything. I
think the most expensive place that I had ever
stayed in was a town called St. Moritz, Switzerland.
And so and everyone's like, where's that? And
I was like, well, let me just give you an example
of how wealthy it is. I was like Ashton Martins.
I was like. like McLarens, let's see, Rolls Royces,
luxury line, top luxury line, Mercedes, Benzes,
Audis. I'm talking like super G Audis and stuff
where the taxis of the town. And if you wanted
to go just down. Taxis. Yeah, the taxis. So if
you wanted to go down the street, it was a minimum,
like to go anywhere was a minimum of 250 Swiss
francs. So, I mean, like you get out of the track,
like you turn right. There's a Rolex store right
here at the entrance of the track. There's a
Rolls Royce dealership like right here. And then
just like fur coats and everything else. And
then all these other high end things in the middle
of the Swiss Alps was where this race took place.
So you can imagine how expensive everything is.
I remember we went to go get lunch. I got like
a chicken cordon bleu and it was like really
big. I couldn't finish it. So I was like, can
I have a box to take it? And the waiter was like.
No, we don't give boxes. You don't take it. You
either eat it or we throw it away. And I was
like, and that cost me $120. Oh, wow. So I sat
there for 45 minutes and I stuffed myself until
it was all gone. Because I'm like, I'm not throwing
this away. I might as well just go throw money
in the streets right now. So then when all of
that was happening, before I got there, I was
somebody when it was training and it was a regular
season, like it was coming down to decisions
of whether or not I was going to eat. that day
or whether or not I was going to train. And the
very little money that came in, I was like, I
just got to go train. Like I can always like
get something later. And so my body like was
really, really bad. And so. It entered like a
really severe stage of starvation mode where
like the smell of food would like make me full.
But I was losing weight at like record weights
and stuff. And, you know, it was there was a
lot that I went through to like just keep it
together. But I had a good family that helped
me through it. And then even afterwards, you
know, I think the most heart wrenching thing
was hearing what my federation when they heard
the stance that I took, you know, and then everybody
else. So you say this to the reporter. It gets
completely scrubbed. Yet somehow it goes to all
your sponsors. Well, it's scrubbed now because
like a couple of months later when they like,
because I was like looking for it and they're
just like, oh yeah, like they got it. And then
all of my friends who had started this Olympic
journey with, they knew who I was, had many conversations
with me like this, had the same feelings about
things that I did, but wouldn't say anything.
We're now the ones that are like. Yeah, we don't
know that guy. We don't want anything a part
of him. So, I mean, like, a whole community that
embraced me at one point just turned their back
on me. This is after the Olympics are over. So
this is glory time. This is time to bask in your
glory, get your sponsorships, live a little bit
better, and so on. So how much thereafter did
this interview take place? from the end of the
Olympics? This was the year after World Championships.
A year after the World Championships? Yeah, yeah,
yeah. So 2018 was my last Olympics. Okay. And
2019 was the year that I was trying to, like,
go back again. Okay. And just qualify for World
Champs. And then after that, I haven't touched
ice or been around anything Olympic since then.
Oh, wow. It's been a minute. So it's just in
a moment, your life took a different trajectory.
Yeah, yeah. Out of the blue. And it was one of
those things that no matter how much you tried
to fight against it, there was nothing you could
do to like stop it where it was going. So you
had a whirlwind of the media that attacked you
as well. I had a lot of people like from Jamaican
reporters that were just like, oh, Anthony was
never a real Jamaican anyway. He's American.
And we reserve the right to now hold these opportunities
for real Jamaicans. I'm like, so not only like.
saying that I wasn't a good athlete but now even
saying that I've got no I've got no ties to the
heritage that I was born with and so that's cancellation
you know and really having everybody and then
like all people that I've talked to now you know
come back and be like we just like you know we
don't appreciate this and you know we just got
to keep our hands off and then the people that
still agree they're like hey man Props to you.
It's just like, I just, I just can't really say
anything. I just want to let you know that you're
doing good, but I just don't tell anyone that
we talk. I'm like, yeah, like that's, there's
nothing like being beat up is bad, but then having
someone when you've been kicked down and like,
you're bleeding out that kind of thing. Be like,
Hey. I'm sorry that that happened to you, but
don't tell anyone that I was feeling sympathetic
for you. Wow. And then it's kind of. Yeah. In
particular? Mm -hmm. A good old buddy? Mm -hmm.
A couple of them. Yeah. So tell us about that.
Who did you lose along the way? I lost everybody.
You know, the only people that I didn't lose
were my parents and my siblings. You know, but
everyone back then, like I said, people that
I had grown up with since. kindergarten grade
school that knew who I was, saw me having Olympic
aspirations at the young age of like 11, you
know, doing sports all throughout high school
and college. And now being able to say that I've
been to an Olympic games and got to compete at
the highest level of athletics. Cause I tell
everyone, I was like, Olympians train hard, just
as hard, if not harder than these athletes that
get paid $120 million a year in their contracts.
You see people like Steph Curry and LeBron James,
they spend more time. God bless you. Thank you.
Those guys spend more time. Okay. Okay, good.
Say it again. The staff. No, I was saying you
have athletes like we as Olympians train just
as hard, if not harder. Is another one coming?
Is it my cologne? I always sneeze in this room
for some reason. In this room, I sneeze and cough.
Okay, good. So I don't have to take that personally.
It's me. I was like, I'm so sorry. Okay, sorry.
Go ahead. No, I was saying that Olympians have
to train hard, if not harder. Then athletes that
get paid these millions of these multimillion
dollar contracts because you see people like
LeBron James and Steph Curry half of the season.
They're just dressed nice with their chains,
watches and sunglasses sitting on the bench because
they're hurt. We've I've been hurt. I've had
two broken wrists. I've had like a dislocated
hip multiple times. Both of them dislocated shoulders,
you know, broken bones in my foot and that kind
of thing. And I've still had to go out there
and I've had to go do it. Whatever, because at
the end of the day, it's just like I'm paying
all this money. And if I leave, there's like.
Nothing I get out of it except like a big headache.
So all of these people don't realize the kind
of work and dedication, which is why when you
watch the Olympic trials from here on out and
you see somebody that was this close to making
it and don't make it, that's why they're so devastated.
It's the years and the time because 13 years,
13 years of traveling as a winter athlete. So
I was gone from September until April. So May,
June, July, and August were the only months that
I was home. And so that's 13 years where I miss
Christmas, 13 years where I miss Thanksgiving.
13 years where I missed, like, you know, the
birth of my nieces and my nephews and whatnot.
I wasn't able to be home for that. And I'm on
the road, you know, most times feeling like I'm
chasing something that ain't going to happen.
And they're invoicing you. You're paying your
ways. I didn't know that you had to pay so much
money to be in the Olympics. I mean, they make
a ton of money. The Olympics make billions. It's
a multi -billion dollar. What do they do with
the money they make? Most of it goes to the countries.
There are some. We can get into that. Most of
it goes to help countries fund in some ways,
because not all of it goes there. It goes to
help fund where this next city and next country
is going to host the Olympics. But when you look
at it now, most countries that host an Olympic
Games, it bankrupts their country. They have
to spend almost trillions of dollars. Clearing
sites, building venues, and then for one thing
in history, and then it's just monuments that
just sit there. It happens a lot. So it's just
like Beijing is the only country that's ever
hosted an Olympic Games, I think, twice and two
different types of events multiple times. But
I mean, when you're the biggest scam artists
in the world, I guess it kind of works in your
favor. But I guess what it does for Olympic athletes,
and when you do win medals, then you become...
you people sponsor you for other stuff so it
sounds like that's the payoff i was never a medalist
and um i was never somebody that most people
banked on winning but i mean like i could i gave
people hell from the start and then throughout
the race was where people started to slide and
push away but i mean like like physically fit
and fast that's what i was and i was a threat
to a lot of people there because i remember when
i first joined and like started coming in everyone
was like oh man we got another black guy here
it's just like go back to track and field go
to basketball stick to your people sports and
let us at least have this one i'm like what like
you get to tell me that so jamaican yeah so all
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self will thank you. So things happened pretty
on a dime. Your life changed. Sponsors pulled
out right away. All of them? Everybody? Every
single one of them. Gone. And so then you're
like, what were you feeling like at that time?
I was depressed. Like, I'm not someone that really,
I'm not an anxious person. I'm a rare person
that believes that anxiety and depression are
choices. You know, because everyone battles with
the temptation of giving into it. But, you know,
I've never been someone to ever tell anybody
that, oh, I have this kind of anxiety. I was
like, I hate that. To me, like as an athlete,
you have to find a way to push through regardless
of what you're dealing with. And, you know, you
learn a lot of life lessons in sports. You learn
how to be dedicated. You learn how to be committed.
You learn how to be disciplined. You learn how,
you know, like to be oriented despite what's
against you because you have no other choice.
It's either succeed or fail. And, you know, there
is no in between. It's either one or the other.
Here, so many people like living in the middle
where it's like they try enough to say that they
tried. And if they fail, then it's because of
this reason. Were you always clear on this or
did you arrive at this? No, I was always clear.
That's how I was raised. You know, my dad always
told me he was just like, you have a lot of people
that depend on a lot of things, but he's like
anxiety, depression. He's like, that's a choice
because he's like, even in your anxiety and depression,
I said, you still have choices to make. The choices
in those seasons are, do I take my medication?
Do I seek help? Do I do all these other things?
Do I talk about it? Do I keep it concealed? He's
like, you always have a choice to do in any of
these circumstances. He's like, why not just
make the choice to just not deal with it? And
now that's not me saying that I don't deal with
it at all. Like I get hit with a lot of things
that make me want to panic and go into a whirlwind,
but you know, I just got to be like, okay, like.
just take a take a couple of seconds to be like
okay now what can i prioritize and what can i
take out first that's going to make this not
so stressful um i get stressed out a lot because
of the things that like hit me in the moment
last minute but i mean like i've learned how
to push through it i mean like when you've been
in the situations that i've had where you've
literally had nothing and you've had to like
find a way to make life continue um Tell us about
that. When did that happen? Well, I mean, like
for me, what happened in that was when everybody
left and when I had nothing, when I was left
with nothing, I for about two and a half months.
Oh, man, it's hard. For about two and a half
months, I was very, very suicidal. And so I think
for me. I think I don't think I know in that
time. I didn't want to be that way. I just didn't
know what else to do. And I had put so much time
and I'm talking in that entire season. I'm going
through every single childhood memory. I'm going
through every single time when I turned down
doing something because I wanted to go train
to now sit here and be like, it wasn't worth
it at all. And thinking that the world would
have been better without me because. Felt like
I failed everybody and I think the biggest thing
that contributed to that was what I saw what
my family went through To help me get there watching
my sisters my parents like work extra jobs Take
all the money out of their grocery fund their
car insurance and everything else to help me
just get to one more race Now because things
were harder for them. I felt responsible for
it I felt like I put them in this position that
I was the one who made things harder for them.
And everyone's now in a more uncomfortable position
because I spoke up and said something. Now I've
lost everything. And now life is harder for everyone
that I care about. And so to me, it felt like
the best solution at the time was to just like
not exist anymore. And I remember having a phone
conversation with my dad. And at the time, I
think I had called him because that's when I
was really contemplating. And I was just like,
I'm just going to say goodbye. And I come from
a Christian household. And I remember my dad
answering the phone and his first question wasn't
hello. It was, what's the matter? And I was like,
what? He was just like, I don't know why, but
he's like, I put you on my heart and he told
me that you're in trouble. So he's like, what's
going on? And I just, yeah, I broke down and
I told him everything. And so I do think that
there is a mental health thing that people need
to address. But outside of the mental aspect,
there's a spiritual. crisis that other people
are doing because a lot of people are putting
all of their physical strength and the things
that don't last you know and um it it took it
took a lot so your dad called you you break down
like when he oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah i'm about
to break down now man i'm trying i'm trying my
hardest to keep it together so you can let it
out so i'm not the only one crying um monica
can i have a tissue Are you messing with my makeup?
I'm sorry. Let me take an awkward sip of water.
Tell us. Was your dad able to talk you out of
it? Did you tell him what you were contemplating?
I didn't tell him in that moment. You didn't?
I told him, I think, a year later. Wow. A year
later when... As a son, you know, because I'm
the only boy in my family, I got three sisters.
And, you know, the only approval that I've ever
lived for was my father's. And in that moment,
I felt like by telling him that it would have
been like the real. And when I ended up telling
him later on, I was like, you do know that in
that moment I said I was contemplating like ending
my life. And he's like, I know. And I was like,
I was like, why didn't you say anything? He was
like, why didn't you say anything? I was like,
I was nervous that you were going to hate me.
He's like, I don't hate you. I love you. And
then I broke down again. I was like, why are
you so amazing? So I think that, you know, I
learned a lot. But was that conversation what
talked you out of it? That conversation, yeah.
It was where I turned. And, like, the journey
to, like, get out of that was hard. Was it just
his loving presence? Yeah, what were some of
the things he said to help turn you around? Because
it sounds like that moment. for the world or
the other people that need to speak to others
who might be going through a similar situation
what can we say or do like my my dad told me
because i i told him i said you know i'm dealing
with all of this garbage all of these bad things
are happening is this like god's sign that i'm
doing the wrong thing and then you know oh man
oh wow he you know you know he he told me he's
like you can be at the center of where you're
supposed to be when all hell breaks loose And
he's like, and it's like that intentionally because
you have a lot of people who are watching you
to see what you do next. And he's like, what
you do next is either going to hurt you and other
people or it's going to help you and everybody
else that's watching. And that to me was when,
oh man, you sure it's okay to like just get emotional
here? Yeah, you would not be the first. He cried
when I interviewed him. I like to cry every now
and then. You know, so I, you know, that's what,
that's what shifted. And then that's when everything
that became a negative that I was thinking of,
I started to try and see like what I was supposed
to be learning in those moments. And in that
moment, what I learned here was how to fight
for myself in that moment. So that because now
when I share that story with all the high schools
and schools that I've gone to, I've had students
that have reached out to me. I think one of the
most touching stories I've had was when I shared
that story, there was a girl. who DM me afterwards.
And she said, you're the best speaker that's
come to the school that I ever wanted to pay
attention to. She's like, I just want to say
thank you because I was going to go home and
kill myself today. And she was like, and you
made me change my mind. And like, what do you
say to somebody like that? Thank you. Like, you
know, and then weeks later she was starting to
spiral again. And so she had like and like it's
a story of like a lot of students everywhere.
I've had students like send me pictures of them
literally slitting their wrists. I've had students
like reach out to me and like show me messages
of like, you know, abusive things that people
send to them. And they're just like, I don't
know what to do. I think I just need to end things.
And it's just like, you know, going through what
I went through. I know what it's like. And. Being
able to help other people out of that, I feel
like is what that season was for. I mean, I know
you're a man of God, you know, and there's no
mistakes. And it's quite possible that all the
hardships that you've been through has been for
this purpose right here. I'm sure this has crossed
your mind. No, for sure. And I think the reason
why conservatives are always behind is because
we entertain the hypotheticals too much. What
do you mean? come out and they say something
that we know is false they say as a definite
they say we know facts shows science proves all
these definite responses that we're just like
we're left most of the time being like well what
i think because we come from an opinion place
but I'm tired of coming from that place. I know
that there are only two genders. I know that
boys can't compete with girls. I know these things
because of this is how the outcome is. This is
the result of everything. So now when I do things,
I always come from a place that's definite. And
I tell everyone, I know that isolation is where
you start to. Self mutilate where you start to
emotionally break yourself down where you start
to separate yourself from everybody else because
you think it's better for everyone else that
you're not weighing them down with these other
kinds of things and But I said the biggest thing
that a lot of people fail to realize is that
we need community here So for myself going through
all of these seasons and dealing with what I
went through I didn't know what it was going
to lead to I didn't even know what the end looked
like I still don't even know if what's happening
now is a byproduct of this or if it's just chance.
But the opportunities that I've been presented
with that come up, I'm not afraid to tell people
where I've been because I'm not there anymore.
And I tell everybody the same thing that my dad
always told me because I love my dad and everything
that he's meant to me. You can't motivate, inspire,
encourage, or help anyone from a place that you
haven't been. And the only place that you can
tell anybody anything about is your past. Because
your future is uncertain. Because it all depends
on what you do now, where you're going to end
up later on. So that's why when we say things
that socialism sucks because it doesn't work
or communism doesn't cure anything, the only
thing we have to reference is our history, where
it's never worked. So you can try to rebrand
it, try and do all these things, but the heart
of greed and vigilance to make people feel terrible,
to get more for yourself, is still very prominent
because that's what it was built on. The one
thing that I try to add in everything, every
conversation, every school, every person that
I interact with is an element of my faith because
it works, you know, and I've seen that through
my past. That's been the only thing that's gotten
me here. You know, our country was founded on
those principles, which is why it's lasted so
long. You know, and when we are people that try
to drift and go away from where our beginning
was, that's when things get a little chaotic
because we started doing that. We got a glimpse
of that this past administration where we almost
lost our country and everyone who sits there
and thinks that, oh, well, it's just it's no
big deal. I mean, like America is going to be
America. But I tell everyone, I'm like, listen,
if you don't learn how to fight for your country
now, if you don't learn how to fight for yourself
now, I said, well, you guys and I tell kids,
I said, you're in high school now. You don't
learn how to stand up against your peers. Now,
what are you going to do when you're a freshman
in college and you got to take on your professor
in the school board? I said, when you graduate
college, then it's you as a rookie in your career
against all these seasoned, tenured people that
no matter what they say and do, they can't get
fired, but they can give you hell for it. You
know, I said your actions. are what define the
type of people you want to be. And I said those
are the only things that you can control because
the two things in life that you are 100 % in
control over are two absolutes. And I said out
of everything that you know from your past until
your present moment today, you're only in charge
of what you say and do to people and how you
respond to what's said and done to you. Outside
of what you say and do and how you respond to
what's said and done, you can't control the weather.
You can't control opinions. You can't control
circumstances, outcomes, results, beginnings,
opinions, everything else. The only thing you
can do is respond to all of those situations
because I said people's response is actually
what catches people's attention. When people
expect you to react a certain way and then you
respond in kind, that's what actually starts
shifting people's opinions to actually start
supporting what you're doing. And so now. Through
everything, through all the BLM protests, through
all of the cancellation, the issues of the black
community that I stood up and said were stupid
are still happening. And BLM is nowhere to be
found. The issues that are fighting that feminists
fought for this entire time. Exactly. I said
are still happening, but very few people are
actually doing anything about it because of what
it costs them. And I'm just like sacrifice and
leadership always comes with sacrifice and compromise.
Because I said you have to compromise on the
things that you believe. to actually know what
it is to go through something so that you know
what it is to fight for something. So I kind
of have a theory around this because we had a
similar thing where we spoke out. Well, mainly
I spoke out. My husband was extremely supportive.
And they tried to completely cancel me and flatline
me. And in the moment, it's hard. But I really
felt in my body and my soul that God was... basically
strengthening my soul. He was preparing me for
something bigger. He was teaching me how to be
a warrior by basically real life. I'm going to
throw you into the fire, girl. Let's see how
you roll. And there was a lot of prayers. There
was a lot of meditation. There was a lot of calming
my mind because there was so much noise around
me. And you know, it just bombarded after bombarded
after bombarded. And the hate. You know, when
I'm like, I'm just trying to help. You know,
I just don't want people to get an experimental
you know what. And so I believe the same thing
with you. You said the words, they came out of
your mouth because you're connected to God. And
you were supposed to say that. You were supposed
to go through what you went through. Because
going as low as you went. You needed to experience
that because in the job that you're in now, meeting
all these young people who are at the low, low,
you wouldn't really be able to relate to them
if you hadn't experienced that. And so that strengthened
your soul really strong to where now you're out
there inspiring and motivating. other young people.
So maybe could we talk a little bit about that?
Sure. How did Charlie Kirk find you? When did
you start working for Turning Point? And where
did that turnaround happen? Where did it, where
did you go from, you know, on the phone, crying
with your dad and then realizing, no, you know,
God chose me to be here. He has a purpose for
me and I'm going to, and something great is going
to come around the corner. I just need to be
strong and learn. Anything that I need to learn
so my soul is stronger. What happened after that
point? Well, I'll be honest. In that transition
period, it was still difficult for me to see
this as a good thing. It takes time. I was bitter,
resentful, and very angry for a long time. And
when I first joined the conservative space, I
was everything. I was the poster child of what
a conservative was not. I was someone that came
in and was like, well, I made it to the Olympics.
I got canceled. And now I just deserve all this
fame and attention and everything else because
I need to get my I need to get my lick back,
you know, in a sense, or I just need to get back
to where I was. And I, you know, God has a very
good way of just humbling you in a way that just
like makes you never want to go down that road
again. So Charlie didn't find me. I found him.
This was when he had started speaking up and
saying all these things. And that was when Turning
Point had like a smaller following. What year
was this? This was 2019. The same year. Found
him in the same year. Okay. And then 2020. was
when I joined as an ambassador. So that was just,
I was a special guest. I would post some of their
content and reshare, and then I would show up
to their events, and they were able to provide
me a way to get there at no charge as to just
enjoy being around like -minded people. I have
never spoken at a Turning Point event yet. Okay,
all right. Not yet. I was like, maybe one day.
But like I said, my mindset's changed. And so...
It was like a breath of fresh air because I'm
sure when you guys were going through all of
this, when you found other people that were in
public settings saying the exact same thing,
you're like, yes, I found my people. So we have
a school and her stance on what's made many of
the parent community run for the hills, but the
global, literally global media attention that
came to our school with the media camped out
every single day brought... People from all over
the world, literally Australia, England. No way.
Yeah. They didn't know where they were going
to live. They didn't know what they were going
to do. But they knew this was the school that
they must put their kids into. And so these are
our brothers and sisters. Yes, we found each
other. Man, brothers in arms, you know? So I
started going to events regularly. I had met
like some really good people. Like one of my
best friends that I consider a brother now, his
name is Taylor Winston. He was a mass shooting
survivor from the Route 91 concert that happened
in Vegas. And his story was he drove, he stole
a car because the rules of like when an active
shooter is going, like emergency responders can't
go in there. They have to wait for the shooting
to stop. And at that point. it could go on for
however long and more people could die. So he
said his story is, you know, he was there. Then
people heard shots ringing out, but they thought
it was fireworks or something to go with the
event. Then when people started screaming and
you started seeing people drop, he's like some
guy dropped right next to me because he had gotten
hit. I was screaming, telling everybody to get
down. People were running for the fence, trying
to get over the fence. And as they're trying
to get over the fence, they're getting caught
in the barbed wire. People are getting shot on
the fence. People are there. And he's like, he
just, but he's a Marine. And, you know, he got
he stole a car that was there because he says
he knows at festivals a lot of people are prone
to like leaving keys in there. So he went and
did, I think, three or four trips where he saved
over a dozen people, just grabbed critically
injured people, threw them in the bed of the
truck, drove them to the hospital, went back
into the active shooting zone, grabbed more people
and did all of that. I met him at my very first
event in 2020. And that was down here when everything
was shut down. Attendance was cut in half and
no. Person would let you go anywhere unless you
were, you know, or wearing a mask. And so he
was somebody that when I first met him, we didn't
say anything about who we were and where we like
what our past was. So, you know, it wasn't until
we were at the airport in West Palm. He was like,
I want to go speak at some schools. He's like,
would you be down to do that? And I was like,
sure, I don't know how to do it. But I said,
let's just figure it out. And I was like. You
never told me. I was like, what's your story?
He's like, oh, I'm a mass shooting survivor.
And I like rescued like over a dozen people and
like help save them and whatnot. And I was like,
why didn't you tell me that when I first met
you? He was just like, he's like, well, because
he's like, that's what I did. It's not who I
am. And he was like, what's your story? And I
was like, well, I'm an Olympian that got canceled
because I said that BLM was dumb. He's like,
why didn't you tell me that when I first met
you? I was like, it's because it's what I did.
It's not who I am. So, you know, that was back
in the time when everything was. demonize all
white people white privilege and white guilt
and all this oppression that all these people
who are just in all honesty too lazy to do anything
just want to cling on to something that a lot
of people had to endure so that they didn't have
to and it's just like now they want to desperately
put these chains on just so that they have an
excuse to like not try so when i was there at
these events i met people like him i started
meeting other people and me and him myself, Taylor,
and our other friend, Aria, who is a pageant
contestant who got canceled for, you know, speaking
out on certain topics and whatnot in her pageantry
world. And so all three of us combined, you know,
we tackled a lot of issues. You know, I talked
about black stuff. Taylor talked about, you know,
gun rights. And, you know, Aria was talking about
feminism and nobody could touch us because they
couldn't call them racist because they had me
there. And nobody could say that, you know, like
I was being oppressed because I'm like, no, they've
had. beginnings that were just as humble, if
not worse than mine. So all of that was going
on and happening. And that's how I kind of got
started there. Now, throughout time, Taylor's
an entrepreneur. He has a really successful gun
business now. Ari is a really successful reporter
and journalist. Did he try and cancel Taylor,
even though he rescued all those people? uh later
on they did because of his stance on gun rights
because after surviving something like that everyone's
just like yeah we need to get rid of guns he's
like actually no we need more of them yeah he's
like we need more of them because he's like when
bad people have that like so you need do we need
to like monitor and do all this he's like no
he's like he's like it's our constitutional right
he's like he's like if someone has this it's
up to the people who care about them to make
sure that they get help but he's like we need
to have this right protected because you know,
you take all guns away. He's like, people are
going to resort to knives. He's like, then if
you take knives away, he's like, people are going
to resort to anything else to hurt somebody because
he's like, it's a heart condition. He's like,
it's not a legislative one. And I was like, that's
a really good point. So we did all of that. And
then through time, you know, like we stopped
touring together and I continued. And this was
before I started working for Turning Point. So
I was going to schools paying out of my own pocket.
I'd buy my flight. I'd pay for my hotel. And
I would just go and I would just hang out with
students, you know, because everyone's just like,
you know, the next generation needs to know they
need to be this. They need to be that. And I
mean, like with information overload, people
have phones, they have laptops, iPads, you know,
like you've got TVs galore. places of houses
that I didn't even know existed. Like in my hotel,
there's a, there's a TV in the mirror in the
bathroom. I'm like, well, this is new. So there's
always places for you to find entertainment and
information. I use heavy air quotes with information.
Um, but very few people that actually want to
put the work in to be in front of people. And
I feel like that's, what's missing more than
anything because virality things that are on
the internet, people forget that it's one thing
it's temporary. Because people will scroll past
it after a while. It'll lose its steam. And then
the only way that people stay relevant is by
getting more extreme or by pushing the envelope
to where they start putting themselves and the
people they care about in danger. But nobody
will ever forget a moment where they experienced
you in person and the kind of experience that
you gave them when they encountered you. And
that's what I live for every single day. Because
when I look at students and I tell them, listen,
I was at a place where I literally felt like
the best solution for my own self. was to just
not be here anymore. I thought it was going to
make my family happier and wealthier. I thought
it was going to make my friends that hated me
feel some sort of vindication. I said, and to
me, I thought it was the best escape from dealing
with all of this stuff. But then I said, I looked
and I said, every single person who we have looked
up through throughout history has all had to
go through something where they've all been in
the same position that I was. And I said, our
forefathers, I said, died in warfare. for the
freedom of a country that most of them didn't
even get to live in after the war was over. And
I said, no, we stand here on that sacrifice.
And for everybody that goes through all of these
things and doesn't want to be a part of it, I'm
like, they don't know because they don't know
what it is. They have a generation that went
before them to make sure that they didn't have
to. And I said, but when you don't talk about
it and you try to do everything you can to keep
it silent, that's when people pick up the trend
of like, it's just so hard. And it's because
I'm a black person. I don't look at myself as
a black person. I just consider myself someone
that's got a slightly better tan than the rest
of the world. And you don't need to work for
it. No, no. And I mean, like, but I mean, like,
it took a work to get me there. You know, as
a person of faith, I look at every single person
that I've looked up to. You know, David was a
great king, but he had to go through the life.
You know, Daniel was a great philosopher who
was there to be an advisor to the kings that
helped shape. the old ancient world where he
was, but that didn't take the lines then away.
Jonah had to go through the well. Esther almost
had to go through extinction and extermination
of her people and herself in the process. Christ
himself had to come down and endure the cross.
You know, every single person that has wanted
to do anything, you with your school, the benefits
that you have now came because you were somebody
that was saying something that a lot of other
people were hoping somebody had the bravery to
say. So let's talk about those benefits. So you
lost. Everybody is what you said. Who have you
gained? I gained Charlie. I mean, we're not like
friends, friends like that, but he's my boss
and I have a great deal of respect for him because
seeing what started as a vision for him to build
something for the next generation of young people
and I get to be a part of that is something that's
monumental to me. I met some of my forever friends
now through Turning Point at all of our conferences
that we've had. I've had the chance to travel
all over the United States to some of the nooks
and crannies of this great country that make
it, to me, still an unexplored like map where
it's like oh this is the only place that this
exists like we're known for this and like you
won't find this any other place in the United
States let alone the world you know there's a
rich history that's here that I have had the
privilege you know and it's a privilege because
in the beginning I used to think it was a right
But I tell everybody else doing what's right
doesn't come with a reward. Doing what's right
is supposed to be done simply for that because
it's the right thing to do. And the sad thing
for me is when I see a lot of people in our conservative
space that won't speak, they won't show up, they
won't talk unless they're getting paid, unless
they're getting featured, and unless they're
having their name put in some place for people
to like recognize them. But at the end of the
day, it's just like you take that away. The mission
is still here. It's like we were talking about
earlier. You know, Christ said to himself, he
said, the work's plenty. The workers are few.
As in, there's still going to be a lot for us
to do. There's still going to be a lot of areas
for us to get involved. There's still going to
be a lot of areas where we need people to step
up, but very few people are actually going to
because they lack the integrity and they lack
the courage. And integrity and courage are byproducts
of people who are grounded in truth. And it's
not the subjective thing that changes. It's the
objective person of Jesus Christ himself because
he calls himself that. He's the way, the truth,
and the life. You follow him, he'll guide you.
I was like, you get life through him because
his way leads to longevity. And I was like, and
he gives you the truth because he's. got the
answer for every circumstance and situation that
we find ourselves in today and so that's why
he was ingrained in every part of our government
because he was always supposed to be the beacon
that we look to at the end of the day to rule
justly I was like to provide and to also give
guidance and peace Because in Psalms, it says,
blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.
And we have a rich history of seeing when Israel
turned away what happened. But we also see when
people turn to God what he did for them. And
we're in a critical place right now where we
are in a position to either go back to where
we were, a country on the verge of collapse,
where we weren't able to recognize ourselves
and it was going to be bad, or to finally do
what we've known all along, which is to do what's
right by our creator first. Because we have these
rights because of our creator. You know, this
is. just the byproduct of all of that and how
did your dad feel about you now uh he passed
so yeah i'm sorry so i'm um but he did he get
to at least see you step into this role yeah
everything that you're doing how did he feel
when he saw that i told him that i'm you know
tell me that he was proud of me and you know
that's the only thing that anyone can that anyone
can hope for you know and um i'm sorry you passed
no i mean like he's He's been a big part in my
life and stuff. And, you know, I tell everybody,
it's just like, you know, you as parents, it's
just like, even though you don't see it right
away, the things that you keep repeating over
your kids, they'll get it eventually. I was like,
that's instilling things in them. You know, making
sure that over time, because, you know. It sounds
like, though, he taught you great things. Well,
I mean, like, trust me, I gave him and every
other person that knows me a headache. You know,
but I'm a work in progress. And the only time
I'm ever going to be complete is when I go to
meet my maker someday. And on my tombstone, the
only thing it's going to say, project complete.
Thank you for your patience. Your sisters and
your mom. I love my sisters and everything else.
And so all of them have been a pivotal part in
what I'm doing now. They're all proud of me.
They all support everything that I've been doing.
And they're the people that I look to whenever
I still find myself questioning a lot of things.
And so there's community and family, which is
why it's important. That nucleus, that nuclear
family, it's really life -saving. Where do they
live? Do they live in Arizona? No, everyone is
in New Jersey. I'm the only one that is in Arizona.
Okay. And, you know, for anybody watching this
right now, what advice would you give them if
they're going through a cancellation journey?
If they're experiencing, you know, just that
beat down that the media gives you where you
just feel like everything you've done feels like
it's for nothing. What advice would you give
them? If it's not you, it's going to be somebody
else. So stick it through so that you're the
one that actually. gets the benefit of it you
know because any anybody that's been at the precipice
of giving up and whatnot when we've seen people
that we look up to and aspire to be like quit
and give up we lose so much respect for them
you know and a lot of people put it on um subjective
things that really don't matter much, superficial
things like, oh, I don't have the following.
I don't have like the influence. I'm like, neither
did half of the people that did this. They were
people that when the mic was hot and it was open
for anyone to come and say something, they stood
up and they took it and then they just ran with
it. You know, so it's be like living the truth
every single day so that when truth is challenged,
you're someone that's ready to step up and actually
defend it. You know, because you have so many
people that. talk a good game but then when it
comes time to actually stand for something it's
like they got nothing to say because if they
do then they know all the skeletons that they've
tried to bury are going to come out and what
would you say to anybody that's feeling depressed
feeling down what words of encouragement could
you give them to get out of that feeling down
and depression is like it's seasonal it really
is it it comes and goes you know And the journey
to get out of it is hard, but it's a journey
that once you're out is worth it. You know, I
know it's difficult, but anything that's worth
having always is. Because if it were easy, everyone
would be doing it. You know, everyone gets disappointed
in life. That's the misconception that a lot
of people fail to remember is that they think
that when they're going through something, it's
only happening to them. It's only them that's
going through it. It's, you know, like all of
these things that are happening. they feel like
the only way to like get through it is to isolate
and kind of separate themselves. You know, that's
the temptation. But everyone goes through it.
Everyone has a story of when they wanted something,
worked for something, and like they didn't get
the result or like people got rude or like all
this other stuff. That's disappointment. That's
what connects us all. Discouragement is where
it's different because discouragement is when
you refuse to be hopeful. Discouragement is when
you refuse to work through it. Discouragement
is when you just want to be negative Nancy to
every single person that you talk to and every
group and every social setting that you walk
into. You just want to be bringing everybody
down so that they're on the same level as you
because the saying is true. Misery loves company.
You know, so it's like. When you're somebody
that can take those kinds of things and realize
that this happens and you try to find a way out
of it, that's when things change. Now, I mean,
like I say that and it sounds stereotypical,
but it's true. If you've heard it a lot of times,
it's because there's truth to it. The only way
that you work through these kinds of situations
is simply that by working through them, sitting
there and letting it just beat you down and wear
on you is only going to lead to the inevitable
outcome that we all know is coming next. I was
like people that look for any type of direction,
because if you really want it that bad, you're
not going to let anybody, you're not going to
let any circumstance, you're not going to let
anything that one doesn't know who you are, doesn't
even know your name, could care less about your
schedule, your family, your background or your
past. Now try to come in here and tell you that
this is the best that you got to have for yourself.
You know, if you don't believe that you're worth
fighting for, you're never going to convince
anybody to hop on board with anything that you're
doing. You know, at the end of the day, people
who see your story and look and see it just like,
what was it like? We are we like how many schools
I go to where the students are just like, look
here, the school board and the parents are just
like, what do you think I should do with my kid?
I'm like, listen, I am not a parent yet. I want
to be a father and I want to be a husband someday.
But that's the next goal that I have for myself.
You know, but I'm in these schools to learn now
how to fight for my kids when I do have them.
And I tell parents, I'm just like, if this is
the truth, you got to look for a way to say it.
Because I said, the only reason it's happening
is because people who know otherwise are being
quiet. And remember the saying in the early in
like 2020, that's like silence is violence. I'm
like, no, it's not. It's consent. Because when
you don't step up and voice your opinion. to
actually call out evil when you see it, then
you give everybody else permission to now push
the envelope even further, which is why when
it went from, oh, love is love and just love
whoever you want, now it's just like you have
teachers that are more concerned with showing
their students how gay they are rather than teaching
them work that's actually going to make them
better citizens for the world where people swear
there are no good people anymore. You know, that's
why you have so many people now that are so disoriented
in this illusion, because a lot of people have
been quiet. And if more people were to, if more
men were to tell these boys, you're not, you're
not a girl. God made you a boy. There'd be more
men out there wearing socks and shorts instead
of skirts and stockings, you know? All of these
kinds of things. There'd be less guys that are
out there trying to take advantage of women in
vulnerable positions if there were more strong
men to actually be the barrier around them to
be like, this is not how men act. And if we as
men see that. Of course. You know, and it all
starts there. It starts with adults knowing that
this is what you want and doing it in your own
space because you can't talk to people on a national
and a global level in a place that you're not
doing privately because you can't practice it
in that moment because you're not seasoned and
ready for it. So you're just going to make a
bigger disaster and mess out of it. So to anyone
who's here and anyone who's listening, my message
to you is Jesus loves you very much. He created
you. because he has a purpose and plan for it.
And the only way for you to figure that out is
to know him. And everyone thinks that, ah, I
just don't want to, it's this and that. It's
just like, regardless of where you fall and where
you fail. All of these things are designed because
a lot of people are showing their true colors
in the world we live in now. You have so many
people that started good, but when the money
wasn't there, they stopped showing up. You had
a lot of people that said all the good things,
but it's just like when they had opportunities
to actually go and do more and know what it was
going to require and what they got in exchange,
they took a step back. There's never going to
be a shortage of people that we need for the
things that are coming up because we're on the
precipice of winning just a battle. The last
four years was a battle. It wasn't the war. That's
not the end goal. We have everything that we
still need to fight for now. We got the territory
back. Now we need to continue to push all the
nonsense out and then establish a barrier so
that whatever is out there knows that if you
come here, this is what's going to happen to
you. Mr. Anthony Watson, I'm so happy that you
came on our show. I'm so happy that you are who
you are, who you became. You're a powerful man,
and you have a lot to say, and I love your opinions.
And those of you out there. God loves you. There's
no question. We love you. The purpose of our
show is to give a mouthpiece for those who don't
feel they've been able to share their stories.
I hope you feel a little bit lighter even today
being on our show. No, I really do. Thank you,
guys. How do you feel being on our show? I feel
good. I was really tired these past couple weeks
because I'm on the road a lot. You know, it's
like giving, giving, it drains you. And this
was actually nice to actually just like sit back
and just like have a conversation. I can't tell
you the last time I've actually done that. It's
a little therapeutic, right? Yeah, just sitting
and having a conversation with people. I know
there are cameras on us and whatnot, but just
like to be sit here and it's like, you know,
it's just like, so tell us about yourself. I'm
like, oh, wow. I was like, I don't know the last
time someone asked me that. You're an awesome
guest, awesome human being. Thank you for your
time. Thank you so much for letting me be here.
Very generous, generous soul. Appreciate you
very much. Appreciate you guys. Thank you. Thank
you for being strong. Always.