WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.940 I'd get kicked out to the hall because I'd be 00:00:02.940 --> 00:00:05.839 too disagreeable. And I remember some of these 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:09.259 teachers, they were so nasty, they were so left 00:00:09.259 --> 00:00:12.000 -wing, they were, some of them were actual communists. 00:00:12.019 --> 00:00:14.439 I remember, I went to, again, I went to Wheeling 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:16.359 High School, which is in the suburbs of Chicago. 00:00:17.050 --> 00:00:19.109 which was a great school when I went there. Unfortunately, 00:00:19.370 --> 00:00:21.489 it's gone incredibly woke the last couple years. 00:00:21.609 --> 00:00:23.829 It's so hard to watch. I'm sure a lot of people 00:00:23.829 --> 00:00:26.769 in your audience have similar stories of a school 00:00:26.769 --> 00:00:29.350 they remember that they went to, and it was just 00:00:29.350 --> 00:00:46.600 a normal Midwest school when I went there. Charlie 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:50.320 Kirk is here today. Charlie, so good to see you. 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:53.700 How have you been, brother? Thank you. I've been 00:00:53.700 --> 00:00:55.479 great. Thank you, guys. And thank you for your 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:58.280 wonderful support of Liberty and of everything 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.200 we're doing at Turning Point USA. So great to 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:01.859 see both of you and honored to be here today. 00:01:02.060 --> 00:01:05.640 You know, you've been through a pretty big cancellation 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:08.799 journey. I mean, you've got colleges that will 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:12.260 not allow you to step foot on their campus. Can 00:01:12.260 --> 00:01:14.519 you talk to us a little bit about that? Oh, yeah. 00:01:14.620 --> 00:01:17.299 I mean, it's just kind of part of the game. You 00:01:17.299 --> 00:01:19.819 know, there's many university campuses that will 00:01:19.819 --> 00:01:22.980 not allow me or allow Turning Point USA to exist 00:01:22.980 --> 00:01:25.739 or to have any sort of presence, including a 00:01:25.739 --> 00:01:27.739 lot of the Ivy League schools and a lot of the 00:01:27.739 --> 00:01:30.000 schools in the Northeast. But, you know, we take 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.159 it in good stride. It actually makes us stronger. 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.019 It builds our character. The more that people 00:01:35.019 --> 00:01:38.340 try to push back against us or censor us or cancel 00:01:38.340 --> 00:01:42.280 us. And, you know, we understand that even even 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:44.230 though that we are in the intellectual minority, 00:01:44.530 --> 00:01:48.730 and even though we are not necessarily in control 00:01:48.730 --> 00:01:51.010 of these institutions, the more they push back 00:01:51.010 --> 00:01:54.849 against us, the stronger we become. Take us back 00:01:54.849 --> 00:01:59.109 to Twitter before it was X. It's my understanding 00:01:59.109 --> 00:02:01.469 that you were massively shadow banned, and what 00:02:01.469 --> 00:02:03.790 that means is that you might have a huge number 00:02:03.790 --> 00:02:06.170 of followers, and you post something, but it 00:02:06.170 --> 00:02:09.090 gets practically no reach. When did that happen, 00:02:09.169 --> 00:02:15.229 and how bad was it? Yeah, it was bad. I mean, 00:02:15.250 --> 00:02:17.069 look, I'll tell you that not only that, I lost 00:02:17.069 --> 00:02:20.509 access to my Twitter account before Elon actually 00:02:20.509 --> 00:02:23.129 purchased it. I was not only shadow banned, but 00:02:23.129 --> 00:02:26.409 I said something about Rachel Levine or whatever, 00:02:26.610 --> 00:02:32.949 Mr. Levine, the rear admiral who was in the military, 00:02:33.030 --> 00:02:34.990 in the Navy, and it was a man who thought he 00:02:34.990 --> 00:02:37.669 was a woman, that whole kind of ridiculous situation 00:02:37.669 --> 00:02:46.150 that we saw. Yes, that's right. The embodiment 00:02:46.150 --> 00:02:48.729 of American health, right, in one picture. And 00:02:48.729 --> 00:02:52.229 so I made it. sent out a tweet saying, this is 00:02:52.229 --> 00:02:55.150 a man who's pretending he is a woman, and I lost 00:02:55.150 --> 00:02:57.050 my Twitter account. And so it was actually one 00:02:57.050 --> 00:02:58.610 of the best things that ever happened to me, 00:02:58.689 --> 00:03:01.110 because while I was kind of in the wilderness 00:03:01.110 --> 00:03:03.289 and I was kind of without a Twitter account, 00:03:03.370 --> 00:03:05.849 which, by the way, prior to that, you know, five, 00:03:06.069 --> 00:03:08.870 six, seven, eight years prior, I had one of the 00:03:08.870 --> 00:03:11.569 most successful Twitter accounts during the Trump 00:03:11.569 --> 00:03:14.550 era, very well followed, very engaged, you know, 00:03:14.550 --> 00:03:19.449 a lot of social media, let's just say, success 00:03:19.449 --> 00:03:22.360 that we enjoyed. And so all of a sudden I was 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:23.580 without a Twitter account. Like, how am I going 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:25.240 to get my message out? Well, we really had to 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:28.219 develop other platforms, other mediums to be 00:03:28.219 --> 00:03:30.960 able to spread our message, to be able to kind 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:32.599 of communicate. And that's where we discovered 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:35.460 Rumble. We discovered Getter. We built an even 00:03:35.460 --> 00:03:38.419 greater Instagram portfolio. We even expanded 00:03:38.419 --> 00:03:40.159 to TikTok. We expanded all sorts of different 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:42.419 platforms. Eventually, by the time Elon bought 00:03:42.419 --> 00:03:45.039 Twitter, it only made us even more popular and 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:48.599 more viral. Was there ever a point where. I mean, 00:03:48.659 --> 00:03:50.139 I know you, and I probably know the answer to 00:03:50.139 --> 00:03:54.159 this, where you were bummed out or dejected or 00:03:54.159 --> 00:04:00.699 felt a little bit helpless or hopeless. A little 00:04:00.699 --> 00:04:03.060 bit, yeah. I could tell you that there was definitely 00:04:03.060 --> 00:04:06.319 a time where when I was kicked off of X, it was 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:08.919 like directionless, right? It was trying to find 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:11.000 my place or trying to find how we were going 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.000 to get our voice out. And I wasn't necessarily 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.500 worried about... you know are we are we going 00:04:16.500 --> 00:04:19.300 to make a difference it was more just about the 00:04:19.300 --> 00:04:21.480 audience that we had built there would no longer 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:24.079 be able to hear us and the kind of be able to 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:27.439 nurture you know that kind of um you know that 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:30.519 kind of community and that kind of uh engagement 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.980 and so there was definitely a moment after i 00:04:33.980 --> 00:04:36.180 lost access to my twitter account and that was 00:04:36.180 --> 00:04:39.439 a quite you know long period of time and understand 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:41.519 that you know we we even we knew that we were 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:43.839 being shadow banned we knew that we were being 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.459 censored we knew that we were being treated poorly 00:04:46.459 --> 00:04:48.939 uh but of course everyone called us conspiracy 00:04:48.939 --> 00:04:51.639 theorists at the time and as we joke around just 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:53.699 wait three years every conspiracy theory becomes 00:04:53.699 --> 00:04:56.879 true um and so you know this one in particular 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:00.279 we knew that there was some real dark stuff going 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.360 on that there was some real nonsense and there 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.939 was some real um under the table type of dealings. 00:05:05.939 --> 00:05:07.959 Turns out we were right when Elon Musk, and he 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:10.279 deserves such great credit for this, bought Twitter 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:12.800 and liberated the speech in the West and all 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.160 the Twitter files, the X files were released. 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.180 It turned out that yes, my account was singled 00:05:18.180 --> 00:05:21.850 out. for specific censorship and shadow banning. 00:05:21.889 --> 00:05:24.730 And we were put on a Twitter blacklist. And so 00:05:24.730 --> 00:05:27.509 but again, it only made us have to be more creative, 00:05:27.629 --> 00:05:32.370 more entrepreneurial. It required us to be to 00:05:32.370 --> 00:05:36.490 not like bend the knee and to. you know because 00:05:36.490 --> 00:05:38.509 here's the thing is when i lost access to my 00:05:38.509 --> 00:05:41.089 twitter account there was an opportunity that 00:05:41.089 --> 00:05:43.629 was presented to us where i could have deleted 00:05:43.629 --> 00:05:46.129 the tweet and i could have got my twitter account 00:05:46.129 --> 00:05:49.149 back but i refused to do that i said i'm not 00:05:49.149 --> 00:05:51.769 going to delete my tweet i'm not going to pander 00:05:51.769 --> 00:05:56.350 i'm not going to um you know say something i 00:05:56.350 --> 00:05:58.689 don't believe and i'm not going to surrender 00:05:58.689 --> 00:06:01.189 just so i can get access to my twitter account 00:06:01.189 --> 00:06:03.670 back I think that's the right thing to do. I 00:06:03.670 --> 00:06:06.810 mean, we have to stand our ground. If you think 00:06:06.810 --> 00:06:09.449 about what has happened to us, I mean, it really 00:06:09.449 --> 00:06:15.509 is communism. To cancel a voice of one side of 00:06:15.509 --> 00:06:18.050 the equation is the definition of communism. 00:06:18.689 --> 00:06:20.870 You know, you've been called all sorts of names, 00:06:21.110 --> 00:06:26.240 fascist, racist. How do you deal with that? To 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:28.420 our viewers out there that have been canceled 00:06:28.420 --> 00:06:30.779 and have been called these sort of names online, 00:06:31.259 --> 00:06:34.699 how do you combat that? What do you do, especially 00:06:34.699 --> 00:06:36.759 when you're on campus and you get this extreme 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:42.980 hate thrown at you? Yeah, so there's a really 00:06:42.980 --> 00:06:45.220 good quote from my dear friend Dennis Prager, 00:06:45.339 --> 00:06:46.980 and we should all pray for Dennis Prager because 00:06:46.980 --> 00:06:48.980 he's not in a great place right now. He's going 00:06:48.980 --> 00:06:51.800 through a very difficult recovery after a terrible 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:55.860 fall. But Dennis Prager, who's a great friend 00:06:55.860 --> 00:06:58.560 and mentor, used to say, if you're in public 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:01.620 life and you are fighting for truth, you do not 00:07:01.620 --> 00:07:04.540 allow the compliments to go to your head or the 00:07:04.540 --> 00:07:06.939 insults to go to your heart. And it is a beautiful 00:07:06.939 --> 00:07:10.399 quote because, honestly, when people insult me, 00:07:10.459 --> 00:07:12.620 it means... absolutely nothing like literally 00:07:12.620 --> 00:07:18.420 it has no bearing whatsoever on my um on my direction 00:07:18.420 --> 00:07:21.240 on my sense of purpose or my sense of identity 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.060 is kind of a badge of honor in a lot of different 00:07:24.060 --> 00:07:27.160 ways i i just don't care uh what people call 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:30.100 me it means really next to nothing so you know 00:07:30.100 --> 00:07:33.339 they call you uh you know six herb which is sexist 00:07:33.339 --> 00:07:37.000 intolerant xenophobic you know um you know kind 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:41.579 of the the the acronym of all the different accusations 00:07:41.579 --> 00:07:45.399 they could call you and it's just it is a thought 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:48.240 terminating cliche when they throw that at you 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:51.180 they want you to try to shut up it is a form 00:07:51.180 --> 00:07:54.319 of censorship and it really is inherently totalitarian 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:58.819 you're loving this I know you she's she's wired 00:07:58.819 --> 00:08:02.060 just like you when all this was going down you 00:08:02.060 --> 00:08:03.860 if I did my math is correct you must have been 00:08:03.860 --> 00:08:07.620 like 22 or 23 with a growing organization how 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:11.019 Were you always like this as a kid, trying to 00:08:11.019 --> 00:08:13.339 brush things off? Or did you have to develop 00:08:13.339 --> 00:08:16.439 this skill, develop a thick skin? Tell us a little 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.019 bit about that. Yeah, it's a good question. I 00:08:20.019 --> 00:08:22.660 definitely had to develop. That, you know, when 00:08:22.660 --> 00:08:24.500 you're young, you definitely want to be liked 00:08:24.500 --> 00:08:27.079 by your friends and you want to be liked by your 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:29.160 community. But there were definitely many moments 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.620 as I was growing up where there was conscious 00:08:31.620 --> 00:08:35.139 decisions that I made where I decided to take 00:08:35.139 --> 00:08:39.019 the road less traveled or the harder path or 00:08:39.019 --> 00:08:42.870 the more difficult path regardless of. the kind 00:08:42.870 --> 00:08:46.169 of societal or the kind of cost or the price 00:08:46.169 --> 00:08:49.470 associated with that. You know, growing up in 00:08:49.470 --> 00:08:51.889 high school, I was definitely very outspoken. 00:08:52.029 --> 00:08:54.269 I would get in a lot of debates with my teachers. 00:08:54.429 --> 00:08:57.470 I'd get kicked out to the hall because I'd be 00:08:57.470 --> 00:09:00.370 too disagreeable. And I remember some of these 00:09:00.370 --> 00:09:03.769 teachers, they were so nasty. They were so left 00:09:03.769 --> 00:09:06.529 wing. They were some of them were actual communists. 00:09:06.549 --> 00:09:08.929 I remember I went to again, I went to Wheeling 00:09:08.929 --> 00:09:10.929 High School, which is in the suburbs of Chicago. 00:09:11.580 --> 00:09:13.639 which was a great school when I went there. Unfortunately, 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.039 it's gone incredibly woke the last couple years. 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.379 It's so hard to watch. I'm sure a lot of people 00:09:18.379 --> 00:09:21.299 in your audience have similar stories of a school 00:09:21.299 --> 00:09:23.919 they remember that they went to, and it was just 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:26.500 a normal Midwest school when I went there. A 00:09:26.500 --> 00:09:28.419 lot of kids from different backgrounds, a lot 00:09:28.419 --> 00:09:31.399 of kids that had diverse views and different 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:34.419 races. I was actually a minority when I went 00:09:34.419 --> 00:09:36.120 to my high school. It was a majority Hispanic 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:38.700 high school, but nobody really cared. It was 00:09:38.700 --> 00:09:42.850 not a race -obsessed type high school. But growing 00:09:42.850 --> 00:09:45.669 up in that environment, despite some of the great 00:09:45.669 --> 00:09:48.190 teachers, I learned very quickly that there were 00:09:48.190 --> 00:09:53.009 some very, very left -wing teachers, like incredibly, 00:09:53.009 --> 00:09:57.190 almost like violent to their views, where they 00:09:57.190 --> 00:09:59.870 would do everything they possibly could to prevent 00:09:59.870 --> 00:10:02.090 you from speaking, to prevent free speech and 00:10:02.090 --> 00:10:06.049 dialogue. And I really developed a sense of not 00:10:06.049 --> 00:10:08.529 just purpose, but fortitude to stand up against 00:10:08.529 --> 00:10:13.590 them. So censorship is still, you know, going 00:10:13.590 --> 00:10:17.309 crazy. I mean, we try and post certain videos, 00:10:17.350 --> 00:10:21.590 and now AI basically completely scans, especially 00:10:21.590 --> 00:10:24.769 YouTube. You know, and there was one video we 00:10:24.769 --> 00:10:27.190 tried to post. Yeah, one of our early episodes. 00:10:27.289 --> 00:10:31.750 We posted it, and YouTube gobbled it up and evaluated 00:10:31.750 --> 00:10:35.149 it, I'm sure summarized it, decided there was 00:10:35.149 --> 00:10:37.350 offending content in there. Would you remember 00:10:37.350 --> 00:10:40.279 what it was? So it was very basic, too. It wasn't 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:43.259 even anything... No, I don't remember the episode, 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:45.340 but it set the timestamps of where the offending 00:10:45.340 --> 00:10:47.860 continent was and then gave us a strike, all 00:10:47.860 --> 00:10:50.899 without human intervention. So cancellation is 00:10:50.899 --> 00:10:52.980 going to another level now. When they talk about 00:10:52.980 --> 00:10:55.899 the robots controlling us, I think that this 00:10:55.899 --> 00:10:58.259 might be one of the first that the robots are 00:10:58.259 --> 00:11:01.519 making decisions about what... our voice what 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:03.679 can be heard and what and what can not be heard 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:06.919 so scary and my question is what can we do about 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:09.399 this i want you to can you educate our audience 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:15.840 what how could we fight back what can we do yeah 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.240 i mean as far as the youtube question is very 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.480 hard i mean we're very popular on youtube we 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:23.139 have millions of subscribers we get over a billion 00:11:23.139 --> 00:11:26.240 views on youtube but we have to play the game 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.340 i'm very honest with everybody like i mean we 00:11:28.340 --> 00:11:31.220 post content that is within their quote unquote 00:11:31.220 --> 00:11:33.559 guidelines and we do so intentionally because 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.600 we believe the upside of being able to reach 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:39.419 the audience um is greater than the downside 00:11:39.419 --> 00:11:43.240 of you know having no channel whatsoever So every 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:45.659 channel, we're posting different types of content, 00:11:45.779 --> 00:11:48.779 and we try to funnel it. Look, Google is very 00:11:48.779 --> 00:11:51.539 influential. They could do whatever they want. 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.059 And look, there have been attempts to try to 00:11:54.059 --> 00:11:56.519 build Rumble, and I've been very involved in 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:58.639 trying to get Rumble off the ground and trying 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.500 to get Rumble created. We still have a long way 00:12:01.500 --> 00:12:04.620 to go there. But look, as far as how we're going 00:12:04.620 --> 00:12:07.600 to navigate YouTube, it is a very, very difficult 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.419 task. I think the government definitely has some 00:12:11.419 --> 00:12:13.340 form of a role. I'm working with the Trump administration 00:12:13.340 --> 00:12:18.129 on some of the tech side of that to try to. you 00:12:18.129 --> 00:12:20.549 know balance the speech on some of these platforms 00:12:20.549 --> 00:12:23.509 and make sure that accounts are being restored 00:12:23.509 --> 00:12:26.110 but look it is a problem i hear from a lot of 00:12:26.110 --> 00:12:28.850 different people the way we navigate it is that 00:12:28.850 --> 00:12:32.789 we just post kind of our more agreeable non -controversial 00:12:32.789 --> 00:12:35.570 content on youtube it's not a perfect solution 00:12:35.570 --> 00:12:38.049 but if we were to just post everything we would 00:12:38.049 --> 00:12:39.750 get three strikes you're out and we'd have no 00:12:39.750 --> 00:12:42.830 impact on youtube and that's probably a bad move 00:12:42.830 --> 00:12:45.250 given that we're reaching over a billion people 00:12:45.250 --> 00:12:48.059 a year and helping change young minds And, you 00:12:48.059 --> 00:12:50.899 know, we're very viral. I don't like it. It's 00:12:50.899 --> 00:12:53.299 a form of, unfortunately, of self -censorship. 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:57.379 And it is totalitarian in nature. But I will 00:12:57.379 --> 00:13:00.139 say, though, that we could say whatever we want 00:13:00.139 --> 00:13:03.919 on X. Instagram has improved a lot. Rumble, you 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:06.480 could say whatever you want. And I think that's 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:08.320 a very important thing, that we have to go to 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:10.879 the platforms that reward us and really emphasize 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:14.360 them and make them pinnacles of free speech. 00:13:15.259 --> 00:13:18.639 You know, but the government granted special 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:21.159 rights to social media companies. What was it, 00:13:21.179 --> 00:13:24.960 the Section 230 or something like that? 230. 00:13:25.259 --> 00:13:30.419 Why can't they make it where if they are censoring 00:13:30.419 --> 00:13:32.899 people this way, they get that right taken away? 00:13:35.500 --> 00:13:38.080 Yeah, they can. They could take away Section 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:40.720 230 protections from the Communication Decency 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:43.399 Act. So just so your audience understands it, 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.940 there's two different types of mass communication 00:13:46.940 --> 00:13:50.600 companies. You could be a platform or you could 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.769 be a publisher. And so a publisher is like the 00:13:53.769 --> 00:13:56.789 New York Times or Fox News, which means that 00:13:56.789 --> 00:13:59.509 they are liable. They could be held liable and 00:13:59.509 --> 00:14:02.350 they are responsible for what is said on their 00:14:02.350 --> 00:14:06.899 airwaves. So, for example, if Fox News. or if, 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.379 let's just say the New York Times, a great example. 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:12.399 So when the New York Times and CNN went after 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:14.879 that young man from Kentucky, Nicholas Sandman, 00:14:14.980 --> 00:14:16.519 and called him all those, do you remember that 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.519 whole story with the guy who was banging the 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:20.740 drum in his face and he was wearing the MAGA 00:14:20.740 --> 00:14:23.960 hat? The Covington Catholic story, right? That 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:28.100 was like six years ago. And he won a major financial 00:14:28.100 --> 00:14:31.200 settlement, right? A significant financial settlement. 00:14:31.850 --> 00:14:35.809 because they are liable for what happens on their 00:14:35.809 --> 00:14:39.509 communication pathways what a public what a platform 00:14:39.509 --> 00:14:41.710 is though is what the communications decency 00:14:41.710 --> 00:14:45.070 act did in section 230 is it carved out a separate 00:14:45.620 --> 00:14:48.480 caveat, which is that they're not responsible 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:51.840 for what happens on their platform. So Facebook 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:55.500 and Instagram are not responsible for the posts 00:14:55.500 --> 00:14:57.419 that are made or the comments that are made. 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:00.340 In some ways, I see that argument. I have some 00:15:00.340 --> 00:15:02.320 sympathy for it because there's a lot of lunatics 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:05.019 out there on like comment boards and you don't 00:15:05.019 --> 00:15:08.360 want. uh in some ways it would actually be less 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:11.460 pro -free speech however here is what is correct 00:15:11.460 --> 00:15:13.740 and this is where you guys are spot on is that 00:15:13.740 --> 00:15:16.279 the government has afforded them special privileges 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.879 that have allowed them to become multi -trillion 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.460 dollar companies and in so far like a great example 00:15:22.460 --> 00:15:26.740 is this and is that during covid this was the 00:15:26.740 --> 00:15:30.059 most like let's just say easy example because 00:15:30.059 --> 00:15:32.000 everyone says oh you know it's not free speech 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:35.850 but no no during covid where there were robust 00:15:35.850 --> 00:15:41.009 alternative narratives that were popping up on 00:15:41.009 --> 00:15:43.909 how to treat COVID early, on how to intervene. 00:15:44.090 --> 00:15:45.570 I mean, you guys know this. You've done wonderful 00:15:45.570 --> 00:15:47.710 work, and your school is incredible, and I love 00:15:47.710 --> 00:15:50.250 visiting it, and you guys are very health -focused. 00:15:50.490 --> 00:15:52.950 But during COVID, and I would make this argument 00:15:52.950 --> 00:15:56.570 repeatedly, and I mean this, is that I believe, 00:15:56.789 --> 00:15:59.070 I want to make sure, yeah, I would say millions 00:15:59.070 --> 00:16:02.450 of people in the world unnecessarily died because 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:05.120 of the lack of free speech how many people's 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:08.279 lives could have been saved with vitamin d supplementation 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.379 with an understanding that obesity was leaked 00:16:11.379 --> 00:16:15.000 linked to covid with hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.659 or quercetin or intravenous therapies or understanding 00:16:18.659 --> 00:16:21.080 that a little bit of steroid supplementation 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:24.460 could have helped or that uh that if ventilators 00:16:24.460 --> 00:16:26.679 actually were not very good for you and that 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:29.200 early intervention with covet is key all that 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:31.799 stuff right or that actually we shouldn't have 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:35.000 had masks go ahead yeah so that content that 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:37.940 we that we just recorded is that something we 00:16:37.940 --> 00:16:41.080 need to remove from our upload to youtube and 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:42.580 what is what is their algorithm going to say 00:16:42.580 --> 00:16:45.980 about the stuff you just said uh no but it's 00:16:45.980 --> 00:16:49.100 fine so yeah what i just said is back then during 00:16:49.100 --> 00:16:52.200 the emergency they literally would not allow 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:56.440 the other side to be to to go out there because 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.299 they wanted to direct everybody in one direction 00:17:00.069 --> 00:17:03.710 Yeah, but he's saying that if that voice was 00:17:03.710 --> 00:17:07.109 heard, then millions of people might have lived. 00:17:07.349 --> 00:17:09.250 And so I don't know what the algorithm is going 00:17:09.250 --> 00:17:11.450 to say. Like, wow, he just made an allegation 00:17:11.450 --> 00:17:13.309 that if this content was on, then... No, no, 00:17:13.349 --> 00:17:16.869 no. I'm just curious his thoughts. Well, it depends. 00:17:17.549 --> 00:17:21.589 So, no, no, you're not wrong. So I don't know 00:17:21.589 --> 00:17:23.410 if you guys plan to post this on YouTube or not, 00:17:23.509 --> 00:17:25.589 but I don't seek to try to get you a strike. 00:17:26.089 --> 00:17:28.170 But I'm speaking as if this won't be posted on 00:17:28.170 --> 00:17:30.890 YouTube. There are some like no -go things on 00:17:30.890 --> 00:17:33.750 YouTube. Anything regarding like transgenderism 00:17:33.750 --> 00:17:36.589 or like there's some topics that they'll just 00:17:36.589 --> 00:17:40.390 give you a strike. The vaccine stuff, they've 00:17:40.390 --> 00:17:43.309 actually relaxed a lot in the last year and a 00:17:43.309 --> 00:17:47.309 half. I mean, it was totalitarian. It was authoritarian 00:17:47.309 --> 00:17:51.089 during COVID. Now it's a little murky. I encourage 00:17:51.089 --> 00:17:52.950 your team should just read the community guideline 00:17:52.950 --> 00:17:55.829 policy now. But think about during COVID how 00:17:55.829 --> 00:17:59.269 immoral it was where you have real doctors, board 00:17:59.269 --> 00:18:01.589 certified doctors that are seeing real patients 00:18:01.589 --> 00:18:04.109 that are seeing real results. They're saying, 00:18:04.190 --> 00:18:06.150 hey, I'm giving hydroxychloroquine. I'm giving 00:18:06.150 --> 00:18:09.150 zinc. I'm giving vitamin D. I'm doing all these 00:18:09.150 --> 00:18:11.130 different things. And the outcomes are really 00:18:11.130 --> 00:18:13.549 good. And you are not allowed to get that message 00:18:13.549 --> 00:18:15.730 out. Here's a question for you. Who's writing 00:18:15.730 --> 00:18:18.529 your story? 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Your future self will 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:55.240 thank you. That is immoral. Now the intent of 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:57.819 the social media companies were, well, if we 00:18:57.819 --> 00:19:00.400 allow these other theories, then a lot of people 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:02.680 are going to die. Ironically, a lot of people 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:05.420 died because they didn't allow all these other 00:19:05.420 --> 00:19:09.039 theories. And so this is, I still believe that 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:12.079 one of the great... injustices from these social 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:14.920 media companies is the fact of what they did 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:17.039 during COVID and what we allowed them to do to 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:21.140 us. It's one of the great injustices that we've 00:19:21.140 --> 00:19:23.539 still allowed us to stand, unfortunately. Well, 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:27.279 even with the vaccines today, you know, like 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:29.920 I have my own show and my own show is only going 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:33.240 to be able to be on Rumble. Why? Because I've 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:36.039 got doctors on my show that I'm interviewing 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:39.319 them and they're going over data. They're going 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:43.130 over Actual facts about you know, and I won't 00:19:43.130 --> 00:19:44.950 go to get into it too much because Dave is looking 00:19:44.950 --> 00:19:48.589 at me like I want to have an episode on YouTube. 00:19:48.950 --> 00:19:54.549 Yeah All of my shows have to go on rumble and 00:19:54.549 --> 00:19:57.069 it's it's sad because we need to allow people 00:19:57.069 --> 00:20:01.119 to have the information and we need to let them 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:04.539 be adults and make the decision that they want 00:20:04.539 --> 00:20:07.619 to make. We cannot force them to listen to one 00:20:07.619 --> 00:20:10.700 side of the equation. It's not right. Meanwhile, 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:15.400 on Instagram, there's like pornography. You know, 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:19.000 there's people that are naked. So why are they 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:22.750 the judge and jury? over what gets said. It's 00:20:22.750 --> 00:20:25.710 not right. I'm not buying it that they, you know, 00:20:25.710 --> 00:20:28.369 they're concerned about, you know, it goes against 00:20:28.369 --> 00:20:32.230 the CDC. I think that they're very politically 00:20:32.230 --> 00:20:35.960 oriented. They didn't bop. Their biggest client 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:38.240 is far. And I'm not buying, like, you know, Mark 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:41.160 Zuckerberg recently is saying stuff like, well, 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:43.700 you know, it was wrong, and I didn't really agree 00:20:43.700 --> 00:20:46.619 with it, but I sort of had to do it. No, he should 00:20:46.619 --> 00:20:48.980 have grown a set, you know, at the right time. 00:20:48.980 --> 00:20:51.559 It would have done wonders for humanity. Do you 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:56.000 have any thoughts on that? Yeah, look, there's 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:58.059 a lot of differences in where the platforms stand 00:20:58.059 --> 00:21:00.660 now. On a spectrum... To Instagram's credit, 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.900 which is under Mark's jurisdiction, we could 00:21:03.900 --> 00:21:06.059 say a lot more on Instagram than I can say on 00:21:06.059 --> 00:21:10.880 YouTube. I want this episode to be posted on 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:13.680 YouTube, so I'll be careful what I say. I don't 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:17.180 want to totally mess with you guys here. Here's 00:21:17.180 --> 00:21:19.759 the argument that J .D. Vance especially would 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:21.779 make, and I am sympathetic to it to some regard. 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:24.980 You guys are a trillion -dollar company. You 00:21:24.980 --> 00:21:27.759 guys get a lot of government contracts, a lot 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:30.119 of favors from the government. You guys get special 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.920 treatment. You should exemplify our birthright 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:37.440 as Americans, which is free speech, period. Now, 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:39.319 their fear is that, oh, there's going to be mass 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:42.519 misinformation. We've had mass misinformation 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:45.700 when you guys have been doing this. Hunter Biden 00:21:45.700 --> 00:21:48.279 laptop was mass misinformation, what they said. 00:21:48.700 --> 00:21:51.440 Six feet to slow the spread, masks in schools, 00:21:51.619 --> 00:21:55.349 shutting down schools. Instead, what we need 00:21:55.349 --> 00:21:58.450 is a robust marketplace of speech where the best 00:21:58.450 --> 00:22:02.559 ideas can win. I have no idea. I have no problem 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:05.660 with what Elon developed on X, which is like 00:22:05.660 --> 00:22:09.099 a community note process where you can have some 00:22:09.099 --> 00:22:11.420 feedback based on the post. I actually think 00:22:11.420 --> 00:22:13.819 that's pretty healthy. Therefore, if somebody 00:22:13.819 --> 00:22:16.380 posts something that is patently wrong, that 00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:18.900 is totally off the mark, then you can have like 00:22:18.900 --> 00:22:21.420 a factual response to it. The video still stays 00:22:21.420 --> 00:22:24.140 up, but at least there's a factual response with 00:22:24.140 --> 00:22:26.480 the links. I have no problem with that. Actually, 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:28.099 I don't think that's against free speech. I think 00:22:28.099 --> 00:22:30.140 that's more information than people can determine. 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.500 But to your astute point, treat us like adults. 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:36.359 Treat us like citizens, not like serfs, not like 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:39.839 slaves, not like servants. And allow us to consume 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:42.900 the information that we so choose. But in the 00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:47.039 end, this is the truth. YouTube, Meta, TikTok, 00:22:47.339 --> 00:22:49.960 X, these are private companies. And even though 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:52.079 they were given government handouts, they still 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:55.059 are afforded. um private opportunities and so 00:22:55.059 --> 00:22:57.539 it's a toughie but i will say though that free 00:22:57.539 --> 00:22:59.960 speech is in a far better place on these social 00:22:59.960 --> 00:23:02.039 media platforms than it was a couple years ago 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:05.460 yeah i think uh if i owned a social media platform 00:23:05.460 --> 00:23:08.420 which i don't i might be like you know what it's 00:23:08.420 --> 00:23:10.619 my social media platform and i'm i get to decide 00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:13.519 what content i want on it whether it's but at 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:16.099 the end of the day the government is giving you 00:23:16.099 --> 00:23:19.759 privileges And so if you've got privileges, you 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:20.759 should also be... Because of the Communications 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:23.440 Decency Act. Yeah, you should also be accountable 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:26.720 to allow both sides to be spoken. I think so. 00:23:26.859 --> 00:23:30.319 Yeah, you can't hide behind it. Yeah, it's a 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:33.240 complex issue. I agree. I want to go back a little 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:36.900 bit because... I agree. We do have viewers that 00:23:36.900 --> 00:23:39.160 are watching this that have been banned. We actually 00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:41.160 have a lot of people on our show that have been 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.539 censored. They've been banned. Can you go into 00:23:43.539 --> 00:23:47.359 more depth about... what you did. I know you 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.980 said you got creative and you went on Rumble 00:23:49.980 --> 00:23:52.960 and you went on different platforms, but you're 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.700 stronger than ever. You are stronger than you 00:23:55.700 --> 00:23:58.839 were even, you know, four years ago. So censorship 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:01.799 didn't stop you at all. So I want to talk about 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:04.779 what you did for mindset and what you did for 00:24:04.779 --> 00:24:07.819 resilience and what actions you actually took. 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:10.740 to not stop because i do hear a lot of people 00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:13.599 get discouraged and then they don't want to do 00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:15.900 anything about it but you were like no you were 00:24:15.900 --> 00:24:17.440 a lion you said you know what you're going to 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:20.599 try and censor me i don't think so so share share 00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:23.059 with us more details what you did how you did 00:24:23.059 --> 00:24:27.859 it well i love that question thank you it's it's 00:24:27.859 --> 00:24:31.500 it's very insightful so what during kind of when 00:24:31.500 --> 00:24:33.119 we were in the wilderness that's what we call 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:36.410 it i'm a big christian and you know there's the 00:24:36.410 --> 00:24:38.829 book of numbers which actually means in the wilderness 00:24:38.829 --> 00:24:41.769 so that phrase in the wilderness is uh is very 00:24:41.769 --> 00:24:44.349 important um for many ways but we were in the 00:24:44.349 --> 00:24:46.849 wilderness for a couple years i remember in the 00:24:46.849 --> 00:24:50.720 spring of 2023 It was very difficult. We were 00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:52.960 being censored on a lot of platforms. It was 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:55.960 hard to get any traction. I stood firmly by President 00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:57.980 Trump. That was when his stock was probably at 00:24:57.980 --> 00:24:59.799 its lowest, right? Nobody thought Trump could 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:03.400 win. It was all this nonsense. But I still kept 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:07.059 a very creative and firm mindset. And I remember 00:25:07.059 --> 00:25:09.779 I brought my team into a room and I said, we're 00:25:09.779 --> 00:25:12.369 not going to complain. Even though we're banned 00:25:12.369 --> 00:25:14.269 on all these platforms and even though Elon is 00:25:14.269 --> 00:25:17.150 fixing stuff, we've got, not banned, but heavily 00:25:17.150 --> 00:25:19.170 censored. We've got to figure something out. 00:25:19.230 --> 00:25:22.890 We have to be too big to censor. Kind of like 00:25:22.890 --> 00:25:25.630 too big to rig, right? We have to create content 00:25:25.630 --> 00:25:29.130 that will be so interesting, that will be so 00:25:29.130 --> 00:25:32.410 compelling, that it will matriculate through 00:25:32.410 --> 00:25:35.089 the entire internet and people will share it 00:25:35.089 --> 00:25:37.349 for us and no matter what the tech titans do, 00:25:37.549 --> 00:25:40.519 it's going to penetrate. So I remember I sat 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:43.579 with my team and I asked them I said of all the 00:25:43.579 --> 00:25:46.319 stuff that I do and I do a lot I do over 200 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.400 public speeches a year. I do two hours of radio 00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:52.759 a day. I do I travel the country I do all this 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:55.380 stuff. I asked them I said of all the stuff that 00:25:55.380 --> 00:25:58.119 we do. What is the stuff that is most likely 00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:01.000 to go viral? and they said well charlie honestly 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.900 going back to your roots and not just doing these 00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:06.319 campus events where you give a speech but go 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.500 with your card table and just take questions 00:26:08.500 --> 00:26:11.740 from these students for hours on end and i said 00:26:11.740 --> 00:26:15.460 you're right so so basically what we did starting 00:26:15.460 --> 00:26:19.200 in the fall of 2023 all the way to today, is 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:23.220 I visited well over 110 college campuses. I've 00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:26.319 done well over, I did over like 400 hours of 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:28.740 campus debates. And we would just post these 00:26:28.740 --> 00:26:32.359 things online. And it was so overwhelming. And 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:34.279 you guys have probably seen the videos or your 00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:37.440 audience has. I mean, well, thank you. They're 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:40.339 hard to get away, right? So the strategy that 00:26:40.339 --> 00:26:43.619 we embraced. is we're going to outwork everybody, 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.299 we're going to have so much content, we're going 00:26:46.299 --> 00:26:48.559 to put it all up on the internet, and everyone 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:51.480 will do the work for us. Everyone will edit it, 00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:53.359 they'll splice it, they'll talk about it, they'll 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:55.299 text it, they'll message it, they'll comment 00:26:55.299 --> 00:26:59.359 on it. And so actually the censorship was a forcing 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:04.700 function for me and for us to get even more creative, 00:27:04.819 --> 00:27:08.450 to push more boundaries. Prior, we were really 00:27:08.450 --> 00:27:10.809 relying on traditional communication methods, 00:27:11.049 --> 00:27:13.450 just sitting in a studio and talking. I said, 00:27:13.470 --> 00:27:15.670 no, we've got to get out into the streets. Let's 00:27:15.670 --> 00:27:20.869 make it interesting. Let's make it very provocative. 00:27:21.190 --> 00:27:23.849 Let's have the most insane college questions 00:27:23.849 --> 00:27:25.589 go to the front of the line. And I was doing 00:27:25.589 --> 00:27:29.269 that prior, but nothing at that scale, nothing 00:27:29.269 --> 00:27:33.390 at that magnitude, nothing at that kind of infrastructure. 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:36.380 You know, it's very interesting. All of a sudden, 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:38.599 we were doing that. Then we stumbled a year ago, 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:42.920 spring of 2024. We stumbled into, you know, it 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:44.880 was kind of the election was heating up. And 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:46.980 I was used to doing these campus events, and 00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:49.420 like 30 kids would show up at lunch, and I would 00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:50.980 debate a couple of them, and they would go, you 00:27:50.980 --> 00:27:53.079 know. All of a sudden, I'd start showing up at 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:55.039 university campuses last spring, and like 100 00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:58.539 kids would show up, and like 200 kids would show 00:27:58.539 --> 00:28:01.900 up. And then the fall came during Trump's election, 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:05.089 and like 1 ,000 kids would show up. and then 00:28:05.089 --> 00:28:08.150 2 ,000 kids would show up. And then this last 00:28:08.150 --> 00:28:11.470 spring, as you guys might have seen, 3 ,000 kids 00:28:11.470 --> 00:28:15.450 are showing up and 4 ,000 kids. I mean, no exaggeration, 00:28:15.450 --> 00:28:19.690 billions of views. And so, again, as a Christian, 00:28:19.730 --> 00:28:22.650 one of my favorite verses is Genesis 50, 20, 00:28:22.769 --> 00:28:25.390 which is what the enemy meant for evil God will 00:28:25.390 --> 00:28:28.150 use for good. So the enemy meant to censor us 00:28:28.150 --> 00:28:31.309 and to intimidate us and to just try to suffocate 00:28:31.309 --> 00:28:33.630 us, and it ended up being a tremendous blessing. 00:28:34.329 --> 00:28:38.450 Did you have a plan B? I mean, it wasn't the 00:28:38.450 --> 00:28:42.829 only idea you put on the whiteboard. No, I mean, 00:28:42.849 --> 00:28:44.670 part of it also was, you know, hey, let's do 00:28:44.670 --> 00:28:46.670 long -form interviews like Joe Rogan. And we 00:28:46.670 --> 00:28:48.890 did all of it. But the thing that just worked 00:28:48.890 --> 00:28:52.910 the best was like the good old gritty, grassrootsy 00:28:52.910 --> 00:28:55.789 Charlie out there. And it kind of fits my whole 00:28:55.789 --> 00:28:58.549 brand because it's the truth. I didn't go to 00:28:58.549 --> 00:29:01.670 college. I'm not an overly pretentious guy, right? 00:29:02.170 --> 00:29:05.450 i'm not i i i try to be very well read i am an 00:29:05.450 --> 00:29:08.589 autodidact right but i'm not really big into 00:29:08.589 --> 00:29:12.390 titles or formalities i'm kind of just a tell 00:29:12.390 --> 00:29:14.829 it like it is let's get into the essence of the 00:29:14.829 --> 00:29:18.589 thing and i kind of embodied that and look the 00:29:18.589 --> 00:29:21.759 other thing is that People found it very compelling 00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:25.259 because, and they still do, one of the hardest 00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:28.400 things you can do is go into an environment with 00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:31.000 no notes, no idea what they're going to say, 00:29:31.140 --> 00:29:32.819 and a lot of the people in the audience are there 00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:37.319 against you. And so it created, yeah, very hostile 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:43.009 with remarkable entertainment value. So, you 00:29:43.009 --> 00:29:45.589 know, it's it's fun to watch these. Sometimes 00:29:45.589 --> 00:29:48.390 you're like in suspense, like, oh, thank you. 00:29:48.450 --> 00:29:50.529 That was a crazy question. What's Charlie going 00:29:50.529 --> 00:29:53.269 to say? Right. You know. So do you think that 00:29:53.269 --> 00:29:56.569 I love it? So do you think that it became almost 00:29:56.569 --> 00:29:59.170 like a sport? You know, like, you know, you're 00:29:59.170 --> 00:30:02.869 watching the MMA fighters. You know, is the audience, 00:30:02.990 --> 00:30:06.150 is it a good mix of like people against you and 00:30:06.150 --> 00:30:08.970 people for you? So is it almost like, do they 00:30:08.970 --> 00:30:11.630 feel like they're going to watch a good verbal 00:30:11.630 --> 00:30:14.089 fight? Is that what it is? Like, give me some 00:30:14.089 --> 00:30:19.549 psychology behind it. No, that's exactly right. 00:30:19.690 --> 00:30:22.529 And I didn't quite recognize this until about 00:30:22.529 --> 00:30:25.690 eight months ago where when people started to 00:30:25.690 --> 00:30:28.849 show up, you know, they wanted to see, you know, 00:30:28.869 --> 00:30:31.369 the rumble in the jungle. They wanted to see 00:30:31.369 --> 00:30:34.710 Frazier versus Muhammad Ali, right? They wanted 00:30:34.710 --> 00:30:38.609 to go see the great heavyweights of UFC kind 00:30:38.609 --> 00:30:42.500 of fight it out verbally. and to try to get into 00:30:42.500 --> 00:30:46.559 the arena. And it's really fun because, look, 00:30:46.619 --> 00:30:48.859 I love it. It's my favorite part of my job. Out 00:30:48.859 --> 00:30:51.460 of everything that I do, my favorite thing I 00:30:51.460 --> 00:30:53.240 get to do, and I do a lot of stuff. I get to 00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:54.920 hang out with the president. I go to the Oval 00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:58.019 Office. I'm very blessed, right? But the thing 00:30:58.019 --> 00:31:00.180 that if you said, Charlie, what's the one thing 00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:02.400 that you hope you never gets taken away from 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.240 you is the unpredictable kind of gladiatorial 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:10.059 match that happens when I enter into the Coliseum. 00:31:10.349 --> 00:31:13.109 Right. You know, you never know what they're 00:31:13.109 --> 00:31:16.029 going to send you. You never know what's going 00:31:16.029 --> 00:31:18.769 to come of it. I don't know why anybody would 00:31:18.769 --> 00:31:21.109 even want to go up in front of Charlie. That's 00:31:21.109 --> 00:31:23.670 like a suicide. But I think that's part of the 00:31:23.670 --> 00:31:27.069 excitement for them, you know, is that Charlie's 00:31:27.069 --> 00:31:29.369 here. And I know my question is going to be the 00:31:29.369 --> 00:31:31.950 question that stops you. Right. Is that what 00:31:31.950 --> 00:31:36.569 it is? That's right. yes that's right and and 00:31:36.569 --> 00:31:38.890 and part and by the way the audience is so overwhelming 00:31:38.890 --> 00:31:41.670 in our favor unless i i did go to cambridge and 00:31:41.670 --> 00:31:43.789 everyone was against me in cambridge england 00:31:43.789 --> 00:31:45.990 but that's okay that's a separate issue but everybody 00:31:45.990 --> 00:31:48.269 was for i go to these campuses and thousands 00:31:48.269 --> 00:31:51.329 and thousands of kids are in favor of me um and 00:31:51.329 --> 00:31:53.349 it's just it's really overwhelming and very humbling 00:31:53.349 --> 00:31:56.410 but yes it's really interesting so if you're 00:31:56.410 --> 00:31:58.690 a liberal why do they keep on coming up to the 00:31:58.690 --> 00:32:02.029 mic and they do and i it's amazing part of it 00:32:02.029 --> 00:32:04.900 is that they part of it Is that they want to 00:32:04.900 --> 00:32:06.519 be famous because they know that the video is 00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.559 going to be seen by a lot of people. And number 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:11.140 two, they want to be the guy that proved me wrong. 00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:14.180 And it really is advantage them. Even though 00:32:14.180 --> 00:32:19.670 I come with no notes. And, you know, on the appearance, 00:32:19.710 --> 00:32:21.430 it looks like Charlie has the advantage, right? 00:32:21.529 --> 00:32:24.109 He's been doing this for 13 years. I do it professionally. 00:32:24.450 --> 00:32:27.390 I'm a good debater. I know my stuff. I've debated 00:32:27.390 --> 00:32:30.789 professors at Oxford, Cambridge. I've debated 00:32:30.789 --> 00:32:33.390 Gavin Newsom. I've debated Bill Maher. I've debated 00:32:33.390 --> 00:32:35.829 professors at Florida State, University of Florida, 00:32:35.950 --> 00:32:38.349 Washington State. I've debated the whole gambit, 00:32:38.349 --> 00:32:41.230 right? However, it's actually advantage student 00:32:41.230 --> 00:32:43.630 in one way. I don't know what they're going to 00:32:43.630 --> 00:32:46.529 bring up. They have unlimited preparation time 00:32:46.529 --> 00:32:48.509 and they can have a phone in front of them. They 00:32:48.509 --> 00:32:51.509 can bring notes. They could bring a friend. So 00:32:51.509 --> 00:32:54.730 it really is in some ways advantage them more 00:32:54.730 --> 00:32:57.190 so than people realize. I like that. They could 00:32:57.190 --> 00:33:01.089 phone a friend, huh? I like that. I tell them 00:33:01.089 --> 00:33:03.809 you could bring up a whole group of people if 00:33:03.809 --> 00:33:06.329 you want. That's right. So the moral of this 00:33:06.329 --> 00:33:09.549 story is when you're on the ropes. You've got 00:33:09.549 --> 00:33:12.170 to go to your war room with your leaders and 00:33:12.170 --> 00:33:13.730 figure out, all right, what are we going to do? 00:33:13.769 --> 00:33:15.150 How are we going to turn lemons into lemonade? 00:33:15.329 --> 00:33:17.609 And come up with all kinds of ideas and work 00:33:17.609 --> 00:33:21.549 the system somehow. Find the angles. We had a 00:33:21.549 --> 00:33:25.690 guy on the show recently. You might know him. 00:33:26.289 --> 00:33:30.200 He owned a gym in California. And he was shut 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.240 down during COVID and arrested. The next day, 00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:36.839 he shows up, and he started accumulating all 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.039 these fines and violations. And he was a lawyer 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:42.660 by training, and he looked into all the new regulations 00:33:42.660 --> 00:33:46.599 that the state had issued, and he saw that physical 00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:49.839 training places were not limited to the number 00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:54.420 of physical. Physical therapy. Physical therapy. 00:33:55.019 --> 00:33:57.460 Establishments were not limited in terms of the 00:33:57.460 --> 00:33:59.240 number of people that were there and mask requirements 00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:02.059 and all that. So one of his members, he was a 00:34:02.059 --> 00:34:04.180 doctor, and he got him to sign prescriptions 00:34:04.180 --> 00:34:06.019 for every single one of the members that you 00:34:06.019 --> 00:34:08.480 need physical therapy. And he became an overnight 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:10.099 physical therapy establishment. And he stayed 00:34:10.099 --> 00:34:14.500 open. Very clever. He refused to shut down. And 00:34:14.500 --> 00:34:17.159 so I think the moral of the story for anybody 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:22.260 that... is successful in whatever cancellation 00:34:22.260 --> 00:34:25.519 journey because literally the government was 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.480 canceling businesses, not allowing them to open 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:33.760 because of, you know, the scandemic that was 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:35.980 going around. And this was happening mainly in 00:34:35.980 --> 00:34:39.780 blue states, right? Only, yeah. Mainly. I mean, 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.099 the, you know, red states, we were fine. We're 00:34:42.099 --> 00:34:44.940 lucky enough to be in Florida. And so, you know, 00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:48.690 it's really that. Is the desire to, okay, you 00:34:48.690 --> 00:34:51.230 want to shut me down? I'm going to fight harder 00:34:51.230 --> 00:34:54.250 and I'm going to get creative and I'm not going 00:34:54.250 --> 00:34:57.110 to bow down to you just because you said you 00:34:57.110 --> 00:35:00.130 can't do this or do that. And I think that's 00:35:00.130 --> 00:35:02.250 a very valuable lesson. That's exactly right. 00:35:03.150 --> 00:35:05.230 Is that something you share? I think that's right. 00:35:05.369 --> 00:35:08.389 And go ahead. No, go ahead. No, please finish 00:35:08.389 --> 00:35:09.610 the question. I'm sorry. No, no, no, go ahead. 00:35:09.710 --> 00:35:15.039 No, no, go. No. Yes. And so. The greatest form 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:19.179 of cancellation is self -cancellation. When you 00:35:19.179 --> 00:35:21.400 decide you're done, when you surrender. No one 00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.900 can actually cancel you unless they kill you 00:35:23.900 --> 00:35:26.639 or they put you in jail or something totally 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.480 extreme. But, I mean, you look at, again, I have 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:32.739 great, I'm very close with the president. and 00:35:32.739 --> 00:35:35.179 i think he's amazing and honored to call him 00:35:35.179 --> 00:35:37.559 a friend and you think of what he's been through 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.099 they try to take his business empire from him 00:35:40.099 --> 00:35:43.519 facing 700 years in federal prison smeared slandered 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.340 shot almost shot again the only way that he was 00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:50.679 going to lose was if he gave up and i just i 00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:53.980 think that is so inspiring uh because that is 00:35:53.980 --> 00:35:55.800 ultimately what the enemy wants from you they 00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:58.699 want they want the white flag they want surrender 00:35:58.699 --> 00:36:02.699 and it's incumbent on us to never give up One 00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:05.039 of my dreams is to have President Trump on this 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.880 show because he has probably the most canceled 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:11.460 story in the history of mankind. And Bobby Kennedy, 00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:14.300 who is a friend who has said he'll be on, so 00:36:14.300 --> 00:36:16.440 we're trying to get him on relatively soon. These 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.699 guys are an inspiration to me because they've 00:36:18.699 --> 00:36:21.980 been through the ringer like crazy and rose from 00:36:21.980 --> 00:36:25.519 the ashes. Their stories are remarkable. Yeah, 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:28.000 and, you know, I think, you know, if you think 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.500 about all the shows that we've done, the same 00:36:30.500 --> 00:36:35.460 theme has been to fight, fight, fight. It was 00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:37.659 just recently I was watching the Queen Esther 00:36:37.659 --> 00:36:41.380 story with my girls. And if you think about her 00:36:41.380 --> 00:36:45.099 story, right, she had to stand up. Share the 00:36:45.099 --> 00:36:48.460 story. Queen Esther is the story of, you know, 00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:53.460 where they tried to eradicate the Jews because 00:36:53.460 --> 00:36:57.489 of one guy. who didn't like the jews haman haman 00:36:57.489 --> 00:37:02.550 and um you know queen esther was jewish but her 00:37:02.550 --> 00:37:05.050 husband the king had no idea because she was 00:37:05.050 --> 00:37:09.730 an orphan and she had an opportunity to make 00:37:09.730 --> 00:37:13.349 a change to do something big and she knew if 00:37:13.349 --> 00:37:16.489 she were to speak to the king without permission 00:37:16.489 --> 00:37:19.590 she could have been killed he could have basically 00:37:19.590 --> 00:37:23.409 banished her and killed her But because of her 00:37:23.409 --> 00:37:25.889 saying, no, I'm going to fight and I'm going 00:37:25.889 --> 00:37:28.889 to say something, she literally saved the Jews. 00:37:29.630 --> 00:37:33.269 She saved them with her voice, with her commitment 00:37:33.269 --> 00:37:39.010 to fight. And for such a time as this, as it 00:37:39.010 --> 00:37:40.949 says in the book of Esther, that's exactly right. 00:37:41.170 --> 00:37:44.210 Exactly. And that's what her cousin said. If 00:37:44.210 --> 00:37:46.510 you're not going to fight now, you were born 00:37:46.510 --> 00:37:50.210 for this. And so the message I try and give people. 00:37:50.619 --> 00:37:53.800 is we were born for this the time to fight is 00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:58.300 now not tomorrow not yesterday now and if we 00:37:58.300 --> 00:38:02.119 allow them to continue to do what they're doing 00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:05.599 they will do more and more and more the jews 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.559 could have been completely obliterated if she 00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.840 did not stand up and fight back that's right 00:38:13.260 --> 00:38:16.599 You know, this conversation is very United States 00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:19.280 of America -centric. I think that people living 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.179 in other countries don't even have a choice to 00:38:22.179 --> 00:38:24.960 fight, or it's so socialist. Do you have any 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.500 thoughts on that? Let's say you're living in, 00:38:27.659 --> 00:38:30.059 I don't know, France, for example, just to pick 00:38:30.059 --> 00:38:33.159 on France. What would you do there if you were 00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:37.280 just a citizen who lost his voice? It's such 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:41.170 a good question. So, yeah, again, I just recently 00:38:41.170 --> 00:38:43.909 traveled to the United Kingdom, which is a husk 00:38:43.909 --> 00:38:46.010 of its former self. It's very hard to see what 00:38:46.010 --> 00:38:48.409 the UK has become. Do you know the United Kingdom 00:38:48.409 --> 00:38:52.510 arrests 30 people a day for offensive social 00:38:52.510 --> 00:38:54.869 media posts? You guys would both be in prison 00:38:54.869 --> 00:38:58.989 by now. That's true. Yours are offensive. My 00:38:58.989 --> 00:39:02.869 posts are not that offensive. You're the offensive 00:39:02.869 --> 00:39:07.849 one. 30 people. That's right. 30 people a day. 00:39:08.739 --> 00:39:13.900 30 people a day that are arrested for offensive 00:39:13.900 --> 00:39:18.000 social media posts. So what do you do about that? 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:21.980 I don't have a great answer other than you have 00:39:21.980 --> 00:39:24.659 to try to win elections and then change that. 00:39:24.940 --> 00:39:26.860 And I want to also just speak to the American 00:39:26.860 --> 00:39:28.079 audience, and I'll go back to international. 00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:30.639 Everybody watching, do you know how lucky you 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:34.079 are, how blessed we are to have the speech protections 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.820 that we have? Yes. We might be censored on social 00:39:37.820 --> 00:39:39.980 media at times, but we have it so much better, 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.260 everybody, than these other countries because 00:39:42.260 --> 00:39:45.340 it creates demoralization. It creates dissension. 00:39:45.579 --> 00:39:52.260 It creates division. And so, yes, the only solution 00:39:52.260 --> 00:39:54.159 that I've come up with, which is a very radical 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:56.480 one, and I did my best to get arrested when I 00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.519 went to the UK and I failed, but which is to 00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:02.980 try and get, you need to get a mass movement. 00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:06.880 of millions of people in France or the UK and 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.199 you basically just say you can't arrest us all. 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:12.400 And you just need to just push the law to its 00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:16.000 logical extreme and you have to overwhelm the 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:18.679 system. It's the only solution that I have, but 00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:22.320 they are the thought police. It's happened all 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.579 across continental Europe. Look at the convoy 00:40:25.579 --> 00:40:27.980 truckers in Canada. I'm sure you're familiar 00:40:27.980 --> 00:40:31.110 with that. Correct. I loved it. It was great 00:40:31.110 --> 00:40:33.710 entertainment. We supported them. They got all 00:40:33.710 --> 00:40:35.769 the way to, I don't know where it was, Ottawa 00:40:35.769 --> 00:40:39.110 or something like that. And man, they got shut 00:40:39.110 --> 00:40:43.909 down so harsh, so fast. They locked up their 00:40:43.909 --> 00:40:46.590 bank accounts. They froze the funding. And then 00:40:46.590 --> 00:40:49.909 that was it. It fizzled. It went away. And that 00:40:49.909 --> 00:40:55.010 was a mass movement. But yes, and this is where 00:40:55.010 --> 00:40:57.469 we are different. And that's why, look, there's 00:40:57.469 --> 00:40:59.369 something special. There's something divine. 00:40:59.909 --> 00:41:02.590 There's something inexplicable about the United 00:41:02.590 --> 00:41:07.449 States of America, which is that there's something 00:41:07.449 --> 00:41:10.070 where we dig deep. You understand how miraculous 00:41:10.070 --> 00:41:11.989 it is that Trump became president. I hope everyone 00:41:11.989 --> 00:41:14.050 understands that. In Canada, they go after the 00:41:14.050 --> 00:41:15.730 truckers. The country just kind of takes it. 00:41:16.050 --> 00:41:18.630 France, in the United Kingdom, they do Brexit, 00:41:18.730 --> 00:41:20.449 and now they're repealing it, and nobody cares. 00:41:20.769 --> 00:41:23.699 Like, okay, fine. In America, we don't put up 00:41:23.699 --> 00:41:25.980 with that. And Trump was our symbol that we don't 00:41:25.980 --> 00:41:28.380 put up with it. More than anything else, it was 00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:31.380 just a symbol that, no, the people are still 00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:33.559 in charge and not you, and you're going to have 00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:38.920 to take it. And so pretty awesome stuff. I don't 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:42.119 lie, so I'm not going to lie to your audience. 00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:44.920 It's really dark right now in other Western countries 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:48.239 when it comes to freedom of speech. Yeah, I mean, 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:53.900 I never imagined Canada. To resemble China as 00:41:53.900 --> 00:41:56.019 close as it does. I thought they were like us. 00:41:56.360 --> 00:42:00.719 And I'm not alone. Yeah. Yeah. We thought. We 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:02.559 thought for sure. Yeah, it showed their true 00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:04.000 color. All these countries showed their true 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.380 colors. Australia, they had no clue that Australia 00:42:07.380 --> 00:42:11.119 was wired like that. You know, you came to our 00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:13.039 school, so you know a little bit about our cancellation 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:16.429 journey. I stood up. Very impressive. against 00:42:16.429 --> 00:42:19.050 the covet shot and i did not want my teachers 00:42:19.050 --> 00:42:21.650 to get it i did not want our kids to get it and 00:42:21.650 --> 00:42:23.590 they really tried to cancel me from here what 00:42:23.590 --> 00:42:25.670 you say by the way i've found a youtube video 00:42:25.670 --> 00:42:29.570 so just edit yourself but they tried to cancel 00:42:29.570 --> 00:42:32.889 us from from here to literally russia i mean 00:42:32.889 --> 00:42:35.750 they were camped outside our door the media they 00:42:35.750 --> 00:42:39.150 were they were they were grueling they were absolutely 00:42:39.150 --> 00:42:42.880 monsters But I don't know if you know this, and 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:46.579 this is what's even crazier, is the federal government 00:42:46.579 --> 00:42:50.780 called me up. There are lawyers. Part of the 00:42:50.780 --> 00:42:54.880 Disabilities Act. It was the F something. I don't 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:58.559 even remember the name of the branch. And basically 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.960 said to me, we're considering indicting you, 00:43:02.019 --> 00:43:06.619 me, basically for not wanting the teachers to 00:43:06.619 --> 00:43:08.619 get the shot. And I go, what do you mean? I never 00:43:08.619 --> 00:43:12.349 fired anybody. They quit on their own. Yeah, 00:43:12.369 --> 00:43:14.849 yeah, but it doesn't matter, they say to me. 00:43:14.909 --> 00:43:18.550 It doesn't matter. We have teachers that quit 00:43:18.550 --> 00:43:20.690 that are very upset that you didn't want them 00:43:20.690 --> 00:43:23.929 to get the shot. I go, but I didn't fire them. 00:43:24.610 --> 00:43:26.710 Do you understand what I'm saying? You cannot 00:43:26.710 --> 00:43:30.530 find one teacher that I actually fired. I did 00:43:30.530 --> 00:43:33.590 quarantine one. I did. And she still works for 00:43:33.590 --> 00:43:39.130 me today, you know. But I go, but, but. schools 00:43:39.130 --> 00:43:42.389 all over the country were firing teachers if 00:43:42.389 --> 00:43:46.090 they didn't get it. They were firing them. So 00:43:46.090 --> 00:43:48.630 you're going to go after me and you're not going 00:43:48.630 --> 00:43:53.570 after any of them? So anyways, I had my attorney 00:43:53.570 --> 00:43:56.590 sitting there. Her attorney advising her to handle 00:43:56.590 --> 00:43:58.489 it in a certain way, which... My attorney was 00:43:58.489 --> 00:44:01.030 kicking me under the foot because the lawyer 00:44:01.030 --> 00:44:03.050 that was on the other side of the camera was 00:44:03.050 --> 00:44:05.989 a Chinese guy, a Chinese lawyer working for the 00:44:05.989 --> 00:44:08.690 federal government. And I looked him on the eyes 00:44:08.690 --> 00:44:11.309 in Zoom and I said, the last time I checked, 00:44:11.510 --> 00:44:14.670 we are not officially a communist country. So 00:44:14.670 --> 00:44:17.710 you cannot tell me what to say to my teachers. 00:44:18.030 --> 00:44:21.030 And I'm not a public company. I'm a private school. 00:44:21.789 --> 00:44:24.530 Okay. So he says to me after this, okay, well, 00:44:24.630 --> 00:44:26.389 we're going to get back to you and we're going 00:44:26.389 --> 00:44:28.170 to let you know what we decide to do. I'm like, 00:44:28.230 --> 00:44:31.010 you can get back to me all you want. I will spend 00:44:31.010 --> 00:44:33.789 millions of dollars in legal fees if I have to. 00:44:33.929 --> 00:44:37.400 I will not comply. I am not going to allow you 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.840 to bully me, right? Okay, so fast forward, fast 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:43.960 forward. He calls me back with an offer, you 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.360 know, I don't know, months later, weeks later, 00:44:46.460 --> 00:44:48.260 whatever it was. You want to know what the offer 00:44:48.260 --> 00:44:55.519 was? For us to pay $80 ,000 in fines, okay, and 00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:57.760 for five years we're on probation and they get 00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.820 to watch our every move. I was like, what? Wow. 00:45:02.779 --> 00:45:05.219 Tell me the crime that I've committed, first 00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:09.019 of all, because you still haven't told me. Okay? 00:45:09.099 --> 00:45:12.340 So anyways, I told them. Unbelievable. I told 00:45:12.340 --> 00:45:15.559 them if I have to go to jail, if I have to do 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:18.239 whatever it takes to show the world that I'm 00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:20.519 not going to stand down and you will not bully 00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:24.519 me, I'll do it. And I'm not paying the $80 ,000. 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:27.320 So if you want to indict me, let's go. She told 00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.619 him to pounce in, basically. Incredible. Six 00:45:30.619 --> 00:45:32.760 weeks later, they dropped the charges. Good for 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.340 you. Good for her. But more people need to do 00:45:37.340 --> 00:45:39.900 that. More people need to stand up to these bullies. 00:45:39.940 --> 00:45:42.960 And you know what? You might get arrested. You 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:46.079 know what? You might serve time. But at the end 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.219 of the day, what are we alive for if not to stand 00:45:50.219 --> 00:45:53.420 up for our rights? You know, I love our country. 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:55.519 I still believe that we live in the best country 00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:58.150 on earth. By the grace of God, we're just lucky 00:45:58.150 --> 00:46:00.909 to be here. And the streets are still paved with 00:46:00.909 --> 00:46:03.070 gold, so I have very little patience for people 00:46:03.070 --> 00:46:09.110 who feel entitled. And, you know, your life's 00:46:09.110 --> 00:46:13.110 journey can change in a moment's notice. And 00:46:13.110 --> 00:46:14.929 we have to stand in our truth, whatever that 00:46:14.929 --> 00:46:18.030 may be. And people need to grow a spine. This 00:46:18.030 --> 00:46:20.170 does not come naturally to me, like maybe to 00:46:20.170 --> 00:46:23.440 you, Charlie, or her. I had to learn. to live 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:25.679 in my truth. And the next time something comes 00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:29.659 along, I am going to stand firmly knowing that 00:46:29.659 --> 00:46:33.480 my life might get pretty difficult. Maybe my 00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:35.539 assets will be taken away. I have no idea, but 00:46:35.539 --> 00:46:38.320 I know I have to live in my truth. I have to 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:41.559 do what's right. Why? Because if I don't, it's 00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:43.440 a terrible example for my kids, a terrible example 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.000 for everybody else, and then the bullies will 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.610 have their way. We have to stand up for ourselves. 00:46:47.809 --> 00:46:49.690 We have to. So my question for you, Charlie, 00:46:49.789 --> 00:46:52.130 is for people listening to this show who are 00:46:52.130 --> 00:46:56.090 scared to speak their mind, who are scared to 00:46:56.090 --> 00:46:58.869 do something, what advice do you have for them? 00:47:00.750 --> 00:47:04.389 It's a great question. The cool thing about courage 00:47:04.389 --> 00:47:07.570 is that it actually doesn't require any talent. 00:47:08.250 --> 00:47:11.820 It is just a choice. That's it. you have to choose 00:47:11.820 --> 00:47:14.820 to be courageous. It's a very unusual thing where 00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:17.239 almost every, a lot of things in life have to 00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.360 do with, well, I don't have enough money. I don't 00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:21.300 have enough. Nope. Courage is different. You 00:47:21.300 --> 00:47:22.980 could just choose to be courageous. You could 00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:25.639 say today I'm going to be courageous and everyone 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.380 knows what courage is. Courage is doing the right 00:47:29.380 --> 00:47:32.039 thing when you don't know how it's going to work 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:34.519 out. That is courage. So you do the right thing 00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:38.960 when there is some aura and some element of unpredictability. 00:47:39.059 --> 00:47:42.360 For example, There's nothing courageous with 00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:44.739 us doing this podcast right now. It's pretty 00:47:44.739 --> 00:47:46.880 awesome, right? It's fun, but there's really 00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.400 not like a ton of downside. But you know what 00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:51.860 would be courageous? Courageous is what your 00:47:51.860 --> 00:47:54.159 story is about potentially going to jail. You 00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:55.980 don't know how that one's going to work out. 00:47:56.460 --> 00:47:58.159 Courageous is showing up on a college campus 00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:01.699 where they might shoot us or they might scream 00:48:01.699 --> 00:48:05.719 at us. So when there is risk, when there is uncertainty, 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:10.400 that is when courage comes in. i would so so 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:12.659 it's a great question you ask and i don't quite 00:48:12.659 --> 00:48:14.260 know the answer so i'm still trying to figure 00:48:14.260 --> 00:48:18.719 it out how do you create more courage in a generation 00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:22.719 that is so lacking it the best answer that i 00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:27.710 can give is that We must find other role models 00:48:27.710 --> 00:48:30.489 and find other stories of the past of courageous 00:48:30.489 --> 00:48:33.389 people and raise our children in those stories. 00:48:33.469 --> 00:48:34.989 One of the reasons why I think we have a lack 00:48:34.989 --> 00:48:37.110 of courage is we've gotten rid of some of the 00:48:37.110 --> 00:48:40.670 stories that built the West from King David to 00:48:40.670 --> 00:48:44.090 Abraham to Winston Churchill to Abraham Lincoln 00:48:44.090 --> 00:48:47.429 and from Donald Trump. Some of the great heroes 00:48:47.429 --> 00:48:50.349 that have built our civilization, men and women 00:48:50.349 --> 00:48:52.809 full of courage. We need to teach our young people 00:48:52.809 --> 00:48:55.150 about that. You bring up a great point, just 00:48:55.150 --> 00:48:56.670 that my wheels are spinning as you're talking. 00:48:56.730 --> 00:48:58.510 I think we need to introduce some curriculum 00:48:58.510 --> 00:49:01.170 into our school center academy. We teach them 00:49:01.170 --> 00:49:04.289 grit and determination, but I don't think we're 00:49:04.289 --> 00:49:06.750 teaching them courage. Courage, that's a good 00:49:06.750 --> 00:49:08.889 one. Right? And that's the reason why I was reading 00:49:08.889 --> 00:49:11.590 the story of Queen Esther to our kids. I wanted 00:49:11.590 --> 00:49:14.710 to teach them what a role model of courage looks 00:49:14.710 --> 00:49:17.409 like, the definition of courage. It was literally 00:49:17.409 --> 00:49:21.230 a decision that could have meant death, and she 00:49:21.230 --> 00:49:25.510 still chose to speak up. I have another question 00:49:25.510 --> 00:49:28.250 for you. And courage is what? Yeah, go ahead. 00:49:28.269 --> 00:49:30.449 Go ahead. No, no, you go ahead. Tell me. Courage 00:49:30.449 --> 00:49:32.150 is what? No, I was going to say courage is one 00:49:32.150 --> 00:49:34.170 of the highest. It's one of the highest of all 00:49:34.170 --> 00:49:36.489 the virtues. Aristotle said courage is the greatest 00:49:36.489 --> 00:49:38.369 of all the virtues. Without courage, there are 00:49:38.369 --> 00:49:40.190 no other virtues. It makes a lot of sense. If 00:49:40.190 --> 00:49:42.489 you're not courageous, then you cannot have temperance. 00:49:42.489 --> 00:49:44.110 You cannot have prudence. You cannot have honesty. 00:49:44.809 --> 00:49:46.570 Courage is the virtue that begets the other. 00:49:46.650 --> 00:49:49.030 But please, your question. My question is for 00:49:49.030 --> 00:49:52.190 you. What have been the blessings in disguise? 00:49:52.469 --> 00:49:54.889 First, of course, besides the one you gave us 00:49:54.889 --> 00:49:57.690 already, which was being canceled off X, that 00:49:57.690 --> 00:49:59.969 was a major blessing in disguise because it allowed 00:49:59.969 --> 00:50:02.789 you to, forced you to be creative, forced you 00:50:02.789 --> 00:50:05.610 to think outside the box. It forced you to open 00:50:05.610 --> 00:50:09.070 more channels. Any other blessings in disguise 00:50:09.070 --> 00:50:11.929 that you have from what you've been experiencing 00:50:11.929 --> 00:50:15.679 over the last couple of years? Yeah, I mean, 00:50:15.699 --> 00:50:18.619 I'll give you a big one that at the time it felt 00:50:18.619 --> 00:50:21.059 like the world was falling apart, but it turned 00:50:21.059 --> 00:50:23.300 out to be a great blessing for me and amazingly 00:50:23.300 --> 00:50:27.119 the country, which was when Donald Trump didn't 00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.340 win. I didn't win. Whatever you want to say back 00:50:29.340 --> 00:50:32.420 in 2020. Right. It was it was messy, but he did 00:50:32.420 --> 00:50:34.320 not remain as president. Let's put it that way. 00:50:35.019 --> 00:50:37.280 And that ended up being a great blessing and 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.659 made our movement stronger and made us really 00:50:39.659 --> 00:50:42.420 understand why we're fighting for and what we're 00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:46.610 fighting for it. It was a blessing in disguise 00:50:46.610 --> 00:50:49.630 that made Turning Point USA a better organization. 00:50:49.929 --> 00:50:53.610 It made me a better leader. And it really made 00:50:53.610 --> 00:50:56.889 us dig out of an immense hole and bring us all 00:50:56.889 --> 00:50:59.050 the way back to the White House. That's a great 00:50:59.050 --> 00:51:01.809 answer. Why don't you do a little shameless plug 00:51:01.809 --> 00:51:04.309 for Turning Point. Turning Point was a tremendous 00:51:04.309 --> 00:51:07.929 factor in Trump winning the election. Maybe give 00:51:07.929 --> 00:51:10.190 us a couple data points on how that actually 00:51:10.190 --> 00:51:12.210 played out, Turning Point's contribution to that. 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:16.659 Do you understand the question? Yeah, sorry, 00:51:16.739 --> 00:51:18.719 you cut out just, yeah, you just cut out for 00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:20.400 one second. Can you repeat that? I'm not sure 00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.739 what happened. I'll say the question again. Why 00:51:22.739 --> 00:51:24.980 don't you do a little shameless plug for Turning 00:51:24.980 --> 00:51:28.139 Point? Turning Point was very influential in 00:51:28.139 --> 00:51:30.320 President Trump winning the recent election. 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:33.159 Give us maybe some data points or anecdotes of 00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.699 Turning Point's influence and how that came to 00:51:35.699 --> 00:51:38.139 be. Yeah, and the fact that you were out there 00:51:38.139 --> 00:51:43.579 on the ground. Yeah, so we had well over 1 ,000 00:51:43.579 --> 00:51:45.539 ballot chasers in the key battleground states. 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:48.320 We chased hundreds of thousands of ballots in 00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:50.659 Arizona, Wisconsin. Arizona, where I am right 00:51:50.659 --> 00:51:52.860 now and where I live, was the best performing 00:51:52.860 --> 00:51:55.380 swing state for Donald Trump. Nearly a seven 00:51:55.380 --> 00:51:58.920 point victory, nearly 200 ,000 vote victory for 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:01.360 Donald Trump. And so what we did on the ballot 00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:04.099 chasing side was enormous and historic. Also, 00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:06.500 though, what we did with young people, we believe 00:52:06.500 --> 00:52:08.340 made the difference. If young people would have 00:52:08.340 --> 00:52:12.619 voted the same way that they did in 2000, then 00:52:12.619 --> 00:52:14.780 Donald Trump would not have been president. Let 00:52:14.780 --> 00:52:16.219 me say that again. If young people would have 00:52:16.219 --> 00:52:19.500 voted the same way that they did in 2020, Kamala 00:52:19.500 --> 00:52:21.519 Harris would have become president. We went to 00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.079 college campuses. We organized them. Young people 00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:26.920 moved in a dramatic 20 -point swing. President 00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:29.320 Trump won the youth vote in Michigan, largely 00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:32.239 thanks to our outreach and what we were doing, 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:34.079 but also the president deserves the enormous 00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.460 credit. We were able to play a small role, and 00:52:36.460 --> 00:52:38.880 the whole world was against us, and all the odds 00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.420 were stacked against us. and we were able to 00:52:41.420 --> 00:52:44.860 accomplish something historic and vast of great 00:52:44.860 --> 00:52:47.639 magnitude. And again, so if anyone wants to get 00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:50.280 involved with Turning Point USA, we believe we 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:53.000 are the most effective, the greatest culture 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.840 transformation organization in the country from 00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:57.699 a high school standpoint, a college standpoint, 00:52:57.900 --> 00:53:00.519 and from a political action standpoint. And a 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.300 lot of people say that Turning Point played one 00:53:03.300 --> 00:53:06.139 of the most decisive roles back in this last 00:53:06.139 --> 00:53:08.949 election, and the data proves it. And where can 00:53:08.949 --> 00:53:14.670 our viewers find you? TPUSA .com or also Turning 00:53:14.670 --> 00:53:16.949 Point. We'll put it in the show notes, but go 00:53:16.949 --> 00:53:21.030 ahead and give us some. Yeah, no, TPUSA .com 00:53:21.030 --> 00:53:23.710 or Turning Point Actions, tpaction .com. They 00:53:23.710 --> 00:53:26.690 can also check out my website, charliekirk .com, 00:53:26.809 --> 00:53:29.170 also the Charlie Kirk Show podcast. We do two 00:53:29.170 --> 00:53:31.809 hours live every day at 12 Eastern. People are 00:53:31.809 --> 00:53:34.929 welcome to support and follow us. So I have another 00:53:34.929 --> 00:53:38.280 question for you. What are your thoughts on what 00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:40.820 in the world is going on with this Elon Musk, 00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:43.960 President Trump debacle? I need to hear what 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:45.340 your thoughts are. I bet you know both, I'm sure. 00:53:47.369 --> 00:53:49.550 I know them both very well, and I like them both. 00:53:49.650 --> 00:53:51.849 I hope that they find some remedy and reconciliation. 00:53:52.349 --> 00:53:54.869 I'm actually bullish that they will. I first 00:53:54.869 --> 00:53:57.070 just have to say I'm so glad Elon bought Twitter 00:53:57.070 --> 00:53:59.230 and bought X. You just deserve such credit for 00:53:59.230 --> 00:54:01.289 that. Some of the accusations he's been throwing 00:54:01.289 --> 00:54:03.769 towards Trump are unfounded, and I don't like 00:54:03.769 --> 00:54:05.269 what he's been saying. The Epstein thing is just 00:54:05.269 --> 00:54:07.349 outrageous and ridiculous. I don't want to get 00:54:07.349 --> 00:54:10.349 into that, but it's not good. I will say, though, 00:54:10.409 --> 00:54:12.530 it's a war of words. I think things are going 00:54:12.530 --> 00:54:14.210 to calm down. I don't think there's actually 00:54:14.210 --> 00:54:17.590 the schism that people think. And look, President 00:54:17.590 --> 00:54:20.269 Donald Trump, he's created such an amazing movement. 00:54:20.429 --> 00:54:23.230 Elon certainly helped. But President Trump deserves 00:54:23.230 --> 00:54:27.110 the credit when all chips are down. But the left 00:54:27.110 --> 00:54:29.349 would like nothing more than from a big war of 00:54:29.349 --> 00:54:31.030 the world's wealthiest man and the world's most 00:54:31.030 --> 00:54:33.010 powerful man. So I think things are going to 00:54:33.010 --> 00:54:35.610 simmer down a little bit. And I think that these 00:54:35.610 --> 00:54:37.809 two titans are going to make peace soon. Maybe 00:54:37.809 --> 00:54:41.130 you can be the mediator in a room to get them 00:54:41.130 --> 00:54:45.090 to, you know, hug and make up. Since you know 00:54:45.090 --> 00:54:48.269 both of them, maybe you can help make that happen. 00:54:48.389 --> 00:54:52.730 You think? Well, I don't know if I'm that powerful, 00:54:52.849 --> 00:54:54.670 but I do know both of them. I have a good relationship 00:54:54.670 --> 00:54:56.769 with both of them. I've spent a good amount of 00:54:56.769 --> 00:54:59.050 time with both of them. Look, men are funny. 00:54:59.550 --> 00:55:02.989 Men don't hold grudges quite like women. Men 00:55:02.989 --> 00:55:05.210 can fight one day and insult another, and then 00:55:05.210 --> 00:55:06.889 they'll go get a beer the next day. That's true. 00:55:09.420 --> 00:55:11.460 Women will remember something negative said about 00:55:11.460 --> 00:55:16.079 them 25 years ago and hold that grudge for another 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:19.239 decade. I can agree with that. You're an amazing 00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:21.880 guest. I really enjoyed our time with you. I 00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:24.659 do want to be clear. This is not a right -leaning 00:55:24.659 --> 00:55:26.579 show. It doesn't matter what our perspectives 00:55:26.579 --> 00:55:28.000 are. There's people that are being canceled. 00:55:28.489 --> 00:55:31.269 all across the spectrum, falsely accused of sexual 00:55:31.269 --> 00:55:33.969 misconduct, or we had a guest on here who went 00:55:33.969 --> 00:55:36.730 to prison for 28 years for a murder he didn't 00:55:36.730 --> 00:55:38.949 do. I mean, that's like one of the ultimate cancellations. 00:55:39.349 --> 00:55:42.329 So for our audience members out there, we intend 00:55:42.329 --> 00:55:44.630 on bringing in all kinds of people, all flavors 00:55:44.630 --> 00:55:47.369 of cancellation. Of course. I just want to put 00:55:47.369 --> 00:55:49.190 that out there. Yeah, definitely. Well, thank 00:55:49.190 --> 00:55:51.909 you guys. And thank you. We appreciate that. 00:55:52.110 --> 00:55:55.130 And you guys are great patriots. And I love the 00:55:55.130 --> 00:55:57.050 Centenar Academy. Want to visit again soon. And 00:55:57.050 --> 00:55:58.769 this is a great honor. Thank you both. Thank 00:55:58.769 --> 00:56:00.769 you so much, Charlie. You're the best. We really 00:56:00.769 --> 00:56:03.070 appreciate having you on our show. And you've 00:56:03.070 --> 00:56:05.570 been amazing. And thank you for all that you 00:56:05.570 --> 00:56:08.489 are doing for our youth. And thank you for being 00:56:08.489 --> 00:56:10.829 so bold and brave and sharing some incredible 00:56:10.829 --> 00:56:13.780 insights with our viewers. And you have a quick 00:56:13.780 --> 00:56:15.840 question for him? Absolutely. Thank you. So what 00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:20.579 do you think of this show, Charlie? Oh, this 00:56:20.579 --> 00:56:22.719 is for Instagram, right? Okay. Got it. No, not 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:24.860 yet. This is not for Instagram. I love a race. 00:56:25.059 --> 00:56:26.559 This one's not for Instagram. This is just for 00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:28.559 the show. Let me ask it again. Ready? Go. Yeah. 00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:32.460 So what do you think of the show, Charlie? I 00:56:32.460 --> 00:56:34.980 love it. People should watch it. It's fun. It's 00:56:34.980 --> 00:56:37.239 provocative. And it's principled. You should 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.659 check out Erased. I love it. And you guys will 00:56:39.659 --> 00:56:41.500 really enjoy it. Thank you Charlie. Have a great 00:56:41.500 --> 00:56:41.719 evening.