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If the government gets away with violating basic

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human rights and bodily autonomy rights, Fourth

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Amendment rights, Fifth Amendment rights to due

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process, your First Amendment right to basic

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free speech and your religious beliefs, then

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they'll be able to get away with it for the rest

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of the population. That is why I think it was

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so important for... the administration, the executive

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branch, to make sure that the government fell

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in line and had the military follow these orders

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regardless of their lawfulness. For those of

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you who love our country, you're going to love

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today's episode. In early February, Pete Hagsath,

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the head of the Department of Defense, put this

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memorandum in place in order to reinstate soldiers

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who were voluntarily or involuntarily ousted

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from the military due to... the grounds that

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they did not want to take the COVID vaccine.

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And it was very unfortunate. Today, we have two

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really special guests. We have Lieutenant Colonel

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Carolyn Rocco, who served in the Air Force, serves

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in the Air Force for a very long time, and Commander

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Robert Green, who's with the Navy for a very

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long time. And these two, not only people who

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have signed up to serve our country, they've

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been activists. And in fact, Commander Green

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has written this book, Defending the Constitution,

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Behind the Enemy Lines, A Story of Hope for...

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those who love liberty. And we're going to dig

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in and find out their story and how they fought

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for everybody and fought for our country and

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the rights behind our constitution. So I'd like

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to start off. Why were you drawn to, Carolyn,

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I can call you Carolyn. Why were you drawn to

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military service in the first place? To be honest,

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it was a job opportunity. I was 22, 23 at the

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time, and I just didn't want to wait tables anymore.

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And so the Air Force offered me an opportunity

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to serve. And I thought it was just going to

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be four years and I'd get out and continue life.

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But those four years as an enlisted C -130 aircraft

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maintainer were some of the best years of my

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life. And so I made a decision at that point

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that I wanted to make the Air Force my career

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for the next 20 plus years. So I separated from

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active duty to... fulfill my um or excuse me

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to complete my degree and uh graduate via rotc

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reserve officer training command and then i came

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back in as an officer in 2007. Well, we're very

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appreciative of your service to our country.

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And I can call you Rob, please. It was little

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boy dreams that drew you to the military. That's

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exactly right. Nobody in my family had ever been

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in the Navy. And I found a book when I was about

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eight years old called The Magnificent Mariner.

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It's a book about John Paul Jones, one of the

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founding fathers of the Navy. And I fell in love

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with the idea of combat at sea, of riding the

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waves of a ship. and leading men in combat and

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trying to do things with the Navy. And so at

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the end of the book, there's a section about

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officer training, and it mentions United States

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Naval Academy. And so that became my dream. I

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researched everything about it and did everything

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I could to get into the Naval Academy. And then,

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like Carolyn, I commissioned in 2007 and out

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of the Naval Academy. You were on the front line.

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You were defending. your people, which these

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are the stories I love. You guys are heroes.

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You were already heroes because you were willing

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to put down your life for us, for Americans.

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But now you took it a step further and you were

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willing to sacrifice everything for everybody

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around you that was in the situation that maybe

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they didn't have the strong voice that you had.

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But even with that voice, you could have been

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arrested. You could have been fired. You already

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had so many ramifications. Share with us your

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journey from the beginning, from when the shot

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was announced and when you were told that it's

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mandatory. Just go through it. What was the process?

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Just share. Whoever wants to go first. You want

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to go first? Go ahead. All right. I'll start.

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Thanks. She threw me under the bus. It wasn't

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immediate where we went into a mandate situation.

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It started off with a very soft level of coercion.

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There was significant fear. As you both know,

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as we all know, there was a heightened amount

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of fear being pushed on our populace. And so

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the same thing was happening in the Navy and

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in all the services. And so they conditioned.

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military members to these sometimes way over

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the top mitigation measures. You know, people

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were masking, people were six feet from each

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other all the time. And in the military, as you

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can imagine, if they were getting the the population

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to do this in the grocery store, the military

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was very regimented with this. And so it was

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a significant amount of coercion pushed. And

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then they started introducing, at the time, voluntary

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shots. And it was voluntary, sort of. There was

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significant pressure put on the commanders from

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the upper levels within the DoD to get their

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shot. percentages up within units. And so as

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you know, if you're graded on something, and

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they were graded on how well they're mitigating

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health risks, it ended up causing significant

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pressure to be put on junior service members.

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And so that was the environment that Carolyn

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and I found ourselves trying to protect junior

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people, make sure that they understood their

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rights. You do not have to do this. You have

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a choice. These are all... Products that have

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been introduced into the market as emergency

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use products. And so you have rights. You can

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say no. And so that was the environment leading

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up to the mandate. And so at that point, I'll

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turn it over to you, Carolyn. I was in the Washington,

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Idaho area. I was an ROTC instructor at the time.

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And Rob was. I was in Rhode Island. I was leading

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a 650 person unit and doing security details.

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So as leaders, you both instinctively jumped

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in. To basically defy your bosses, right? Not

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defy, because at that point, all the orders were

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mostly lawful. There were some masking and testing

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requirements that started to toe the line on

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lawfulness. We can get into that later in the

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show. But we identified early on the fear and

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the coercion that were occurring. Because at

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this point, there wasn't a mandate. It was serious

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pressure. Like, COVID is so bad, right? Grandma's

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dying. Like, if you really care about your wingman,

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you're going to mask, you're going to get your

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shot. Now that they're voluntary, there's no

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mandate. But, you know, just that guilt that

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they put on you. If you care about each other,

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this is what you'll do. So we're looking at like

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January 2021, thereabouts? Through 2020, most

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of this. And then the shots introduced, I think,

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December 11th is when they first hit the market

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of 2020. This was all happening before the shot

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was introduced, right? Yes. So basically, making

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it separate, make sure you mask. I mean, when

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the shot comes out, do the right thing, like

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preparing your mind for it. So where I worked,

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I worked at both Washington State University

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and University of Idaho. They're only separated

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by seven miles, but they operated completely

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different. Anybody who's familiar with Washington

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and Idaho, Idaho is very much more a conservative

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state, cares about freedoms. And so they didn't

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shut the school down, whereas Washington State

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University did shut down and it was all education

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and training was completed via. online via Zoom

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or Teams or what have you. And so even trying

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to get my commander to ask for an exemption so

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that the ROTC students, the cadets, we had about

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100 in our cadet wing, could actually come together

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and learn how to march. You know how difficult

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it is to try to teach marching and facing movements

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on Zoom? I know it sounds silly. And when you

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look back and people are like, you're kidding

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me. I'm not kidding. And unfortunately, you know,

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we recorded some of those. We do have. And so,

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again, it took I was a major at the time. And

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I said, sir, you know, we did this for one semester.

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We cannot do this for another semester. And so

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I encouraged him to apply for an exemption, which

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was granted. And so the ROTC students were able

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to be in person the spring semester of. whatever

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it was, 21. I'm going to put my tinfoil hat on

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at the moment, which I love. You know, my husband

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makes fun of it, but I think he's, he kind of

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has one too. And he just, he tries. It's on him

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as well. He doesn't embrace it as much as I do.

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But, you know, this had to be passed down from

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somewhere high, far, and it infiltrated. The

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very DNA of our country, of our leaders, of our

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government, of our medical community, everywhere.

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Where do you think this came from? There is definitely

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a spiritual aspect to all of this. But if you

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look at it from a more worldly perspective, they've

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written books about one world. order, new world

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order, this globalist society to where there

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are no sovereign borders. We're just all one

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big blob, if you will. And if we of all countries

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were to remove our borders and our sovereignty

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and most importantly, our constitutional rights,

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our God given rights protected by the Constitution,

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the first way to make those borders disappear

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is to weaken the military. And so. How do we

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weaken the military? We get rid of those who

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have a faith that's higher than a person that

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has four stars on their shoulder. We get rid

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of the critical thinkers that are saying this

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doesn't make sense and the evidence doesn't show

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that this mandate is is legit, lawful, safe,

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effective, all of the things that we were hearing.

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So to me, you know. If you lose the military,

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you lose a country. And so if we had, and at

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the time, an administration who didn't seem to

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have America's best interest at heart. So, I

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mean, I don't know President Biden. I don't know

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what their mindset was as far as going full into

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this new world order idea. But that does not

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escape me. And it lines up. pretty well if we

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were to be like every other country and become

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part of the blob that these globalists want,

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right? It's them and then it's the rest of us.

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And we're the pawns. We're the ones who would

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be enslaved forever. And I think that's a big

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part of it. i think that's a good answer and

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he also tried to i think there were some strange

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laws that were signed where he wanted to give

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the who power over if there's next pandemic so

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there you know he was really pushing towards

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removing that sovereignty and you know we our

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constitution is what makes us who we are right

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the right to bear arms right is another reason

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why It's just not going to happen. So I feel

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like, you know, one by one, it seems like they

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were really trying to just tear that to shreds.

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Why? I don't know. I don't understand it. Like,

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if you represent America, why wouldn't you try

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and keep it strong? Right. It's a million dollar

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question. We have a school, by the way, and you

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can imagine how impossible it is to teach three

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-year -olds over Zoom. Right. Right. Well, not

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much different, probably from, you know, brand

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new college students and ROTC cadets. So but

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yeah, they they try to make life as difficult

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as possible so that when the vaccine, in my opinion,

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was rolled out, it was like, oh, yeah, this will

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get us to that level of freedom that we all wish

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we had, you know, for the last year. And so people

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were eager to roll up their sleeves and get the

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shot. I wasn't. Rob wasn't. Obviously, you weren't.

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But there were many, many who were. Then they

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looked at us like, you guys are weird, right?

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You're conspiracy theorists. It's just a shot.

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You're in the military. You've taken all the

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other shots. Why are you raising a fuss over,

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well, that was post -mandate after. Yeah. It's

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my understanding when you join the military,

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you get pumped with vaccines right away. I actually

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know somebody who has an adverse injury from

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that experience. You're not opposed to that or

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you weren't at the time and now you are. There's

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regret. What do you stand on? There's definitely

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regret on my part. I never in a million years

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thought that the government or the country that

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I signed up to serve and protect would do something

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that would potentially harm me. I thought everything

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was vetted. Everything was legit. So you go on

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a deployment, you know, you get your anthrax

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shot, your smallpox shot, flu shot. And again,

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I didn't think anything of it. Thankfully, I

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haven't had any adverse effects from vaccinations.

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But that's a mentality that COVID really showed

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us we need to change. that culture of oh you're

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in the military roll up your sleeves you're just

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a pin cushion absolutely not so we're also excited

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for bobby kennedy to be the secretary of uh hhs

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yeah so are we yeah it's the blind obedience

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that they want and what i love about what you

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both seem to have is the critical thinking brain

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which is what we really want our country to have

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you know as david mentioned we have a school

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and the foundation is critical thinkers so we

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were also in A similar battle, well, different

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but similar. I mean, when the masks were mandated,

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I was like, I can't do this to my kids. I can't

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do this to my teachers who need to spend eight

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hours a day standing up in front of a class.

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Can you imagine standing up trying to teach these

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little kids? That's hard enough. I wasn't going

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to mandate it. But you went deep on the learning

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and she brought in experts to really understand

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the masks and the effectiveness. She brought

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in OSHA experts and really doctors. And before

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she made those kinds of very controversial decisions.

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Bobby Kennedy spoke at our school in January

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2021. We were way ahead of the curve. So, OK,

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so tell us the mandate came around. You were

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holding your ground. You were giving the advice

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to your junior people. That, hey, you don't have

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to do this. It's a choice. Did you persuade them

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one way or the other or did you just let them

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figure it out for themselves? In the beginning,

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they were telling them to. So it was about rights

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for us. It's about the law. And so, you know,

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we get to the mandate and we've already been

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trying to make sure that the people that we lead

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understand. You know, their obligations to follow

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lawful orders, their obligations to disobey and

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resist unlawful orders. And we get to the mandate

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and it doesn't take long for us to do some research

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and find out in the first couple of weeks. They

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don't have any of the fully authorized FDA products.

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out on the shelves anywhere. By that point, we

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had been networking. And this is part of how

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Carolyn and I and hundreds of other service members

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who were really leaning into this fight and leading

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first met each other. We began networking. They

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were trying to isolate us. And we broke through

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that. And we developed an incredible network

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across all the services, all the ranks. And we

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had plans. We worked together. We got... service

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members into every one of the military, or I

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say everyone, every military treatment facility

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that we could get people into and get access

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to, to ask, hey, where is this FDA authorized

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product that the order from Secretary Lloyd Austin

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says that you have to have in order to mandate

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it? So that order, yes, we can get into that

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order. The legal portion of this is all based

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on the label. What is on the label, whether they're

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the same formula or not. If you don't have a

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label that says fully FDA approved, the Comirnaty,

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I'm sorry, it is not a fully approved vaccine.

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And so therefore, we cannot fulfill this order

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because... the fully FDA -approved vaccine did

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not exist. Yeah, bait and switch. Is it safe

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to say that what rubs both of you the wrong way

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is more the constitutional rights or the body

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autonomy? All of it. I mean, and even from a

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common sense perspective, I was sharing earlier

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that in the past, I had gotten waivers, exemptions

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for other vaccines. If you show in your blood

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positive titers, right, from previous vaccinations

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or infection, you can get exempt. And I had COVID

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naturally, I had the titers, and even my medical

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exemption was denied. So everything that applied

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to us before COVID did not apply to this particular

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situation. And that was probably, you know, you

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add that to denied religious accommodations.

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Just the absence of common sense is what kind

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of sparked my frustration. Yeah. Like, this doesn't

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make sense. Can you read? Like, we're not making

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this. This isn't our opinion. And to come out

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with the shot that fast. Right. And to make the

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most important group. So that's a really good

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point. I talk about that in the book. There is

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a Navy commander. He's since retired. He ran

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for Congress in Texas. His name's Jay Furman.

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He put out some research in an article where

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he talked about. There's a better plan. He did

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it about maybe a month before the mandate came

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out. And he said, hey, we should only allow half

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of the force to take the shot for readiness sake

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because we don't know. There's a reason emergency

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use authorized. products exist it's because you

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throw out a lot of the safety requirements and

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so you know we want to make sure that the force

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stays healthy here's a great plan allow people

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to voluntarily take it maybe up to half the force

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and then you have a control group and another

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group and that's how we make sure if something

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bad happens that you still have a ready force

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and they They went after him. They didn't like

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that. And he ended up being on Tucker Carlson.

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Tucker invited him on the show to talk about

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this. Do you know where these shells were manufactured?

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We were told France, I think. But we're trying

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to do some... I don't think it's possible at

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this point. The whistleblower report, we actually

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had a service member reach out to Pfizer. We

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got a recording of it and we discussed that.

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We gave it to Congress and Senator Ron Johnson

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actually turned around in a day and sent a request

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to the DOD, says, hey, you know, service members

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are reporting that. That Pfizer hasn't produced

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the right thing, that there's label bait and

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switch stuff going on. Like, let's get to the

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bottom of this. And the DOD at the time, under

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that leadership, did what they have been doing

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throughout that administration. They ignored

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Congress's request for information. Now, what

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I find interesting, so you wrote an incredible

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whistleblower letter. We can put these documents.

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Could we put these documents on the links? Absolutely.

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Alice, if you can put this document on the link

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below, the memorandum for all members of Congress.

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And I think it's fascinating that only one or

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two Congress members read this document and didn't,

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they didn't all jump up and say, stop this immediately.

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And, you know, it's a sad situation in our country

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right now because They are supposed to be here

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for the people. Our service members are here

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for the people. Yet everyone turned their back

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on everyone. And the congressmen who, as we all

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know, get very big checks from pharma. You know,

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I'm hoping that over the next four years, there's

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more laws that go into place that stop this because

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we need to get back to where we were a long time

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ago, which is for the people, we the people.

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What do you think is really going on here? Is

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it just the pursuit of profits by the big pharmaceutical

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companies, or is it just group -controlled? As

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a civilian, we're thinking that it's just profits

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and getting people to comply with orders. What

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was happening? I'd like to take that one, if

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I may, just because I think I can hit it pretty

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quick. But I think the issue is, and we've talked

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about this in many of our strategy sessions with

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other service members. If the military goes,

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the rest of the country goes. That's the group,

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the small, narrow group of the population that

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the government thinks they have the most control

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over. That's the group who have voluntarily suspended

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the exercise of some of their rights. They never

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lose their rights, but we suspend. For example,

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we wear the same uniform. That's part of the

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agreement when we sign on. We wear the uniform

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of that service. We don't show up in our Van

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Halen t -shirt or something at formation. We

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suspend some of those First Amendment rights.

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When we speak in an event like this, we need

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to make sure we're following statutory law, Uniform

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Code of Military Justice. However, if the government

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gets away with violating Basic human rights and

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bodily autonomy rights, Fourth Amendment rights,

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Fifth Amendment rights to due process, your First

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Amendment right to basic free speech and your

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religious beliefs, then they'll be able to get

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away with it for the rest of the population.

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That is why I think it was so important for the

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administration, the executive branch, to make

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sure that the government fell in line. And had

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the military follow these orders regardless of

00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:47.880
their lawfulness or not. And so when we challenged

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the lawfulness, as we identified a number of

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laws that were broken that we can get into, and

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we will name names. I certainly don't mind naming

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names. The moment there was a constitutional

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challenge, our admirals and generals should have

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put an all -stop on this. They should have...

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They should have challenged the executive branch

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and said, hey, we have a constitutional question

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here. We have a legal question under this order.

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We need to stop it and study this and make sure

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that we're doing this right. Instead, they leaned

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in and they said, we don't care. They dismissed

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thousands of challenges. thousands of challenges

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that we wrote and submitted up our chain of command

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to say that this is breaking the law, the way

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you're implementing this mandate. Like we talked

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about before, the original order from the Secretary

00:23:42.309 --> 00:23:45.609
of Defense, that was lawful. The service secretaries,

00:23:45.609 --> 00:23:48.170
at least the Navy service secretary, that was

00:23:48.170 --> 00:23:50.049
a lawful order. The CNOs was a lawful order.

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It gets down to Admiral Christopher Grady was

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the first person that I was able to see who issued

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an unlawful order disregarding the FDA approval.

00:24:04.579 --> 00:24:07.759
authority of the product. And he said, basically,

00:24:07.779 --> 00:24:10.220
the order was, you're going to take this anyway,

00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:13.440
regardless of the emergency use of the product.

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So that was the first unlawful order. That's

00:24:15.900 --> 00:24:18.039
how I think we get at this thing in the future.

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Because, you know, we're not going to sit there.

00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:24.519
I don't think it's good for Secretary Hegseth

00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:27.039
to just declare the entire thing unlawful, because

00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.400
that's not true. It doesn't do justice to how

00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:34.640
complicated this was. It was a lawful order originally,

00:24:34.819 --> 00:24:37.660
but it was implemented. That was lawful was if

00:24:37.660 --> 00:24:41.019
it was an FDA approved drug. Exactly. That's

00:24:41.019 --> 00:24:42.880
the part that was lawful. The implementation,

00:24:42.980 --> 00:24:45.099
and then at the three and the four star level,

00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:47.259
that implementation is where it started to go

00:24:47.259 --> 00:24:49.900
unlawful. And then the religious accommodation

00:24:49.900 --> 00:24:53.180
processes were unlawful. And there was other

00:24:53.180 --> 00:24:55.440
unlawful coercion that we can talk about. Because

00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:59.119
even though, even if it was FDA approved, you're

00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:02.089
still allowed your religious exemption. No matter

00:25:02.089 --> 00:25:04.650
what. Right. Exactly. And the government then,

00:25:04.829 --> 00:25:07.869
as the statutes declare, the government then

00:25:07.869 --> 00:25:12.430
has to prove that the compelling government interest

00:25:12.430 --> 00:25:17.470
outweighs the the religious rights of the individual.

00:25:17.569 --> 00:25:20.049
And that never happened. The government just

00:25:20.049 --> 00:25:22.960
said health. Because of health. And they're like,

00:25:22.980 --> 00:25:25.759
no, that doesn't meet what is actually in the

00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:27.740
statute. You have to prove beyond a reasonable

00:25:27.740 --> 00:25:31.339
doubt that this outweighs. So the courts were

00:25:31.339 --> 00:25:35.420
against your religious exemption, but then some

00:25:35.420 --> 00:25:38.450
things changed and flipped. And you were actually

00:25:38.450 --> 00:25:41.049
having some wins. So would you share, either

00:25:41.049 --> 00:25:43.230
of you, both of you share what happened there?

00:25:43.390 --> 00:25:45.809
Well, I know the Air Force injunction came only

00:25:45.809 --> 00:25:48.430
because of the Navy injunction. And there is

00:25:48.430 --> 00:25:50.230
a really important part that Rob is going to

00:25:50.230 --> 00:25:53.329
share of why the Navy got a win to set the precedent.

00:25:53.789 --> 00:25:56.849
Maybe somewhere between 75 and 90 percent of

00:25:56.849 --> 00:26:01.650
the SEALs ended up getting. fake cards and basically

00:26:01.650 --> 00:26:04.410
doing what the leadership needed so they could

00:26:04.410 --> 00:26:06.650
check a box and say, okay, as people were vaccinated,

00:26:06.910 --> 00:26:09.009
they truly weren't. Well, there were a few Navy

00:26:09.009 --> 00:26:11.930
SEALs who had a deep level of integrity and said,

00:26:11.950 --> 00:26:14.430
we're not going to lie. And those were the Navy

00:26:14.430 --> 00:26:16.769
SEALs that stood up and many of them filed a

00:26:16.769 --> 00:26:20.450
lawsuit. At one point, it was reported to me

00:26:20.450 --> 00:26:23.490
that the judge told some of these lawyers, there's

00:26:23.490 --> 00:26:25.730
nothing I can do. There's no real evidence here

00:26:25.730 --> 00:26:29.720
that that the Navy's breaking the law and they

00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.259
are claiming that they're going through all the

00:26:32.259 --> 00:26:34.240
right processes in accordance with the statute.

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And it had just been shortly before that, that

00:26:38.019 --> 00:26:41.000
a whistleblower leaked a document to me. It was

00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.920
called a standard operating procedure that they

00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:46.319
had written out of the chief of naval personnel's

00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:49.480
office. to deny all religious accommodations

00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:52.819
that were requested in the Navy. And this document,

00:26:53.259 --> 00:26:55.539
actually, there was one section of it that said,

00:26:55.579 --> 00:26:58.160
hey, it's really important. to protect the admiral,

00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:02.539
the chief of naval personnel, and in this case,

00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:06.599
Admiral Waters, the leader of the section of

00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:08.759
this team that dealt with religious accommodations.

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It's really important that we make this well

00:27:13.259 --> 00:27:15.579
-documented so that if we're ever audited or

00:27:15.579 --> 00:27:18.019
if there's ever a lawsuit, that we can defend

00:27:18.019 --> 00:27:19.960
it and say that what we were doing is lawful.

00:27:20.299 --> 00:27:23.839
And what the religious accommodation... standard

00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:26.940
operating procedure actually does is it tells

00:27:26.940 --> 00:27:30.000
the staffer in that office when you get an accommodation

00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.960
in One of the very first things you do is you

00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:36.480
open the template denial and you put the name

00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:40.279
of the requester in the top of the denial template

00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:42.819
and then you route that for review. And then

00:27:42.819 --> 00:27:46.019
once that template for denial is written, it

00:27:46.019 --> 00:27:48.599
has the name, the right name at the top. You

00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.119
route that for review for all the offices, including

00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:55.470
the JAG office, by the way. And and then. So

00:27:55.470 --> 00:27:58.170
only after that has all happened and it's ready

00:27:58.170 --> 00:28:00.650
for the three -star admiral's final signature,

00:28:00.849 --> 00:28:03.710
at that point, the staffer is then told to open

00:28:03.710 --> 00:28:06.529
up the document of the actual religious accommodation

00:28:06.529 --> 00:28:08.890
and then make sure you put into a spreadsheet

00:28:08.890 --> 00:28:13.130
his reasons for doing the accommodation so that

00:28:13.130 --> 00:28:16.069
if we ever have a lawsuit, if we're ever audited,

00:28:16.150 --> 00:28:19.440
we can show that we opened the document. So that

00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:21.920
got to court, and then within a couple days,

00:28:22.059 --> 00:28:25.819
the very first injunction for the 35 Navy SEALs

00:28:25.819 --> 00:28:28.769
and special operators. um came through the ruling

00:28:28.769 --> 00:28:30.509
from the judge saying you can't kick these people

00:28:30.509 --> 00:28:32.450
out and then it was shortly after that maybe

00:28:32.450 --> 00:28:35.289
a month or two after that that they expanded

00:28:35.289 --> 00:28:38.450
that case from just the 35 seals into entire

00:28:38.450 --> 00:28:41.190
class -wide injunction that stopped the navy

00:28:41.190 --> 00:28:44.170
from kicking out any navy service members and

00:28:44.170 --> 00:28:46.130
then the air force followed suit shortly after

00:28:46.130 --> 00:28:48.509
that so for the air force it was right around

00:28:48.509 --> 00:28:51.809
9 700 who had submitted a religious combination

00:28:51.809 --> 00:28:55.819
and they were all denied with the same the same

00:28:55.819 --> 00:28:58.700
process right you literally just swap out the

00:28:58.700 --> 00:29:02.079
name swap out the location but the meat of that

00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:04.559
memo of that denial memo read the exact same

00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.700
and it was all just hubbub it there was nothing

00:29:07.700 --> 00:29:11.220
meaty to there was nothing tangible to their

00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:14.099
denial there's no there's no reason for them

00:29:14.099 --> 00:29:16.240
to deny our religious accommodation for health

00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:18.460
of the force health of the force right just very

00:29:18.460 --> 00:29:21.440
generic this the same words right good order

00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.900
and discipline and like nothing that if you asked

00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:28.279
explain to me how this will how this will play

00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.799
out there are no examples because they were just

00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:34.180
words that i'm sure they were told yeah that

00:29:34.180 --> 00:29:37.259
their lawyers said this is how we can make this

00:29:37.259 --> 00:29:40.180
thing look legal educated people with multiple

00:29:40.180 --> 00:29:45.940
phds just blindly following she was standing

00:29:45.940 --> 00:29:50.579
in line to get your third fourth fifth shot just

00:29:50.579 --> 00:29:54.319
okay two masks while i'm jogging in the car like

00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:58.000
like what happens right here's where that is

00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:02.200
deeply concerning to us in the military The three

00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:04.240
and the four star leaders that are supposed to

00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.700
be making sure that we're defending our nation,

00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:09.599
they took that mindset, too. We're going to blindly

00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:12.380
follow this order, even though our subordinates

00:30:12.380 --> 00:30:15.180
are reporting that this might be illegal and

00:30:15.180 --> 00:30:17.079
this might be unconstitutional. They blindly

00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:20.490
followed and dismissed. All legitimate claims,

00:30:20.690 --> 00:30:23.490
both medical claims that it wasn't effective,

00:30:23.849 --> 00:30:28.109
medical evidence that it wasn't safe, and legal

00:30:28.109 --> 00:30:31.869
reasons to not take it and constitutional basis

00:30:31.869 --> 00:30:34.970
for people to refuse. They ignored all of that.

00:30:35.049 --> 00:30:37.950
And what you end up having are senior leaders

00:30:37.950 --> 00:30:41.390
who you cannot trust to properly defend the nation.

00:30:42.190 --> 00:30:44.609
If we have an actual war, these are not the critical

00:30:44.609 --> 00:30:47.549
thinkers that I want telling us where to put

00:30:47.549 --> 00:30:50.609
our assets, how to defend our nation. If they

00:30:50.609 --> 00:30:53.009
are unable to critically think through this problem

00:30:53.009 --> 00:30:55.630
and make the right decisions, I don't want them

00:30:55.630 --> 00:30:58.579
leading us in war. And is the guy that overruled

00:30:58.579 --> 00:31:00.559
this and did this unlawful order, is he still

00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:05.220
there today? So I was able to identify the elements

00:31:05.220 --> 00:31:07.980
for Article 94 under the UCMJ that's mutiny.

00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.539
And there are three elements that are required

00:31:10.539 --> 00:31:15.019
to charge somebody with mutiny. So what Admiral

00:31:15.019 --> 00:31:18.380
Christopher Grady did apparently met each one

00:31:18.380 --> 00:31:22.069
of those elements of the law required. to charge

00:31:22.069 --> 00:31:24.569
somebody with mutiny. So I filed a complaint

00:31:24.569 --> 00:31:27.990
up my chain of command against then Fleet Forces

00:31:27.990 --> 00:31:31.470
Commander Admiral Christopher Grady for violation

00:31:31.470 --> 00:31:34.829
of Article 94 mutiny. And, of course, that was

00:31:34.829 --> 00:31:37.930
dismissed very quickly. I love Grady. I know.

00:31:38.049 --> 00:31:41.470
I'm sorry. Career suicide. I love his head. Well,

00:31:41.549 --> 00:31:44.650
they fired me shortly after that. But then they

00:31:44.650 --> 00:31:49.609
dismissed that complaint. And three weeks later,

00:31:49.730 --> 00:31:52.670
he was promoted to be the vice chairman of the

00:31:52.670 --> 00:31:56.029
Joint Chiefs of Staff under General Milley. And

00:31:56.029 --> 00:31:59.769
he remains in that position to this day. Wow.

00:31:59.890 --> 00:32:03.390
So they fired you? So they relieved me of my

00:32:03.390 --> 00:32:06.890
duties shortly after that for refusing to take

00:32:06.890 --> 00:32:11.690
emergency use products. And then so they sent

00:32:11.690 --> 00:32:13.750
me home. Actually, they banned me from my building

00:32:13.750 --> 00:32:16.549
first. I wasn't allowed to enter. And so my team,

00:32:16.690 --> 00:32:20.809
I'm leading a 650 person unit. It was snowy.

00:32:20.809 --> 00:32:23.529
It was snowy in Rhode Island. And and so I would

00:32:23.529 --> 00:32:25.990
drive in and work out of my car. And it was unfortunate

00:32:25.990 --> 00:32:28.109
for my team members. They'd have to come out

00:32:28.109 --> 00:32:30.250
to me to do paperwork or business or whatever.

00:32:31.750 --> 00:32:33.930
But that lasted a couple of weeks before they

00:32:33.930 --> 00:32:36.569
finally said, hey, you know, you can't enter

00:32:36.569 --> 00:32:40.500
the building. And so you're fired. OK, I mean,

00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.380
it's your order that said I can't enter the building.

00:32:42.500 --> 00:32:47.319
I'm being effective from my car. So the order

00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:50.980
the order was go home and call in every day and

00:32:50.980 --> 00:32:53.619
you're done. And at that point, I'm you know,

00:32:53.619 --> 00:32:56.319
I think they were trying to find ways to involuntarily

00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:58.220
separate me or court martial me or whatever.

00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.180
And then it was only a few months later. that

00:33:01.180 --> 00:33:03.359
we started winning in court, and then they couldn't

00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.880
go through with firing me. So I was still making

00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.559
a paycheck, luckily, because I have seven kids.

00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.980
So how did it feel? Wait, you just passed that

00:33:10.980 --> 00:33:15.819
one. He has seven kids. So I'll tell you how

00:33:15.819 --> 00:33:21.880
it felt. It felt significantly risky. But for

00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:26.160
a very brief period, I had a lot of fear about

00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:28.000
what to do. I'm going to lose my job. I could

00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.930
go to prison. Because they were challenging or

00:33:31.930 --> 00:33:36.069
they were telling us, hey, you could be court

00:33:36.069 --> 00:33:38.549
-martialed for a violation of a lawful order.

00:33:38.650 --> 00:33:40.390
We told them it was not lawful. We showed them

00:33:40.390 --> 00:33:44.069
how it was not lawful in the statutes. But they

00:33:44.069 --> 00:33:47.869
were essentially saying we don't care and we

00:33:47.869 --> 00:33:50.490
could file charges and take you to court -martial.

00:33:50.589 --> 00:33:53.690
And it was for a commission of a serious offense.

00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:56.220
If you put those two things together, it could

00:33:56.220 --> 00:33:58.819
come with jail time. So my wife, Mary Claire,

00:33:58.940 --> 00:34:01.299
and I had to make a tough decision. How far are

00:34:01.299 --> 00:34:04.440
we willing to go for what's right? And it only

00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.319
took an evening of talking through it. I said,

00:34:07.339 --> 00:34:08.920
we're going to go all the way. We don't care.

00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.099
And that was what gave me the courage to file

00:34:12.099 --> 00:34:14.099
that mutiny complaint, to go all the way. Let's

00:34:14.099 --> 00:34:16.340
give your wife some props. Oh, yes. You must

00:34:16.340 --> 00:34:18.739
have an amazing wife. She's the real hero. So

00:34:18.739 --> 00:34:21.199
I called my dad, and I told him, hey, here's

00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:25.510
our plan. If I go to prison, Please take my wife

00:34:25.510 --> 00:34:28.550
in and my kids in. I'll serve my time. I'll come

00:34:28.550 --> 00:34:30.449
out. I'll swing hammers. I'll dig ditches, whatever

00:34:30.449 --> 00:34:33.010
it takes. Put food on the table. But this is

00:34:33.010 --> 00:34:35.670
our plan. And the moment I did that, talk about

00:34:35.670 --> 00:34:38.289
how it felt. The moment I did that, I had such

00:34:38.289 --> 00:34:42.289
peace. I had such joy. I never had so much fun

00:34:42.289 --> 00:34:44.989
in my life fighting the government. And that's

00:34:44.989 --> 00:34:49.349
the energy that helped bring it, total giving

00:34:49.349 --> 00:34:53.599
it to God. And I was able to just have a blast.

00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:55.679
And I've never had so much fun in my life fighting

00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:57.199
back because I don't care about the outcome.

00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:02.360
Seven kids. I love it. I'll be like, give me

00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:06.320
the jab. No, I'm with you because I told him

00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:08.599
the same thing. Like, honey, if I get arrested.

00:35:09.869 --> 00:35:12.429
I just ask you to bail me out as fast as you

00:35:12.429 --> 00:35:15.409
can. She's on the handcuff to the front door.

00:35:15.449 --> 00:35:17.489
I said, no, I'm not doing it. You know, I'm not

00:35:17.489 --> 00:35:19.849
mandating these shots. I'm not mandating these

00:35:19.849 --> 00:35:23.190
masks. So I get it. We were shitting a brick,

00:35:23.210 --> 00:35:25.670
pardon the expression, when it went all the way

00:35:25.670 --> 00:35:28.150
to the Supreme Court. Any employer that has 100

00:35:28.150 --> 00:35:30.710
or more employees. We were tracking that case.

00:35:30.869 --> 00:35:33.530
That's right. Very close. Yes. And the only reason

00:35:33.530 --> 00:35:37.909
why it was disallowed was because the vaccine

00:35:37.909 --> 00:35:40.809
wasn't performing as effectively at that moment

00:35:40.809 --> 00:35:43.869
as they thought it would. It had just been released.

00:35:44.530 --> 00:35:50.010
More people were fighting, like you guys, like

00:35:50.010 --> 00:35:53.440
us. This would have been over way soon. Yeah,

00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:56.179
absolutely. This is why I tell people like, yeah,

00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:59.300
it's risky at the moment. But if in your heart

00:35:59.300 --> 00:36:02.099
and soul, you're doing the right thing, God is

00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:04.380
going to come back in and you are going to be

00:36:04.380 --> 00:36:07.539
fine, even though it feels really bad at the

00:36:07.539 --> 00:36:10.300
moment. But I love I love that you do. Yeah,

00:36:10.300 --> 00:36:14.409
I know. And so you met through this group that

00:36:14.409 --> 00:36:16.289
you created. Was it a little WhatsApp group or

00:36:16.289 --> 00:36:18.030
something like that? How did you... I don't even

00:36:18.030 --> 00:36:21.690
remember what platform we were using. No. No

00:36:21.690 --> 00:36:24.150
name. We're just a bunch of patriots trying to

00:36:24.150 --> 00:36:25.590
do the right thing. Like, oh, did you hear about

00:36:25.590 --> 00:36:28.469
this guy or that guy? So, you know, he talked

00:36:28.469 --> 00:36:32.309
about filing charges of mutiny against this commander.

00:36:32.929 --> 00:36:36.010
His documents were leaked. I say leaked. They

00:36:36.010 --> 00:36:40.079
were... And internally share in our grief. Right.

00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:42.239
So as I was going right on the other side of

00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.400
the country, when others of us were fighting

00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:48.619
this battle in our own, you know, individual

00:36:48.619 --> 00:36:51.780
capacity, we were using each other's documents.

00:36:51.940 --> 00:36:54.400
And what research did Rob do? What research did

00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.480
I do? And like, hey, did you look at this or

00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:57.840
did you look at that? And maybe if you include

00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:02.179
this, it'll help your cause. And I remember seeing

00:37:02.179 --> 00:37:05.059
Rob's using, seeing and using mostly, mostly

00:37:05.059 --> 00:37:09.489
Rob's. Because he's so thorough and he references

00:37:09.489 --> 00:37:12.670
every, you know, whether it's an article in the

00:37:12.670 --> 00:37:17.110
Constitution, a law, a DOD policy. And so eventually

00:37:17.110 --> 00:37:21.010
we met, but it was all virtual for at least a

00:37:21.010 --> 00:37:24.349
year and a half or so. You have to tell the story

00:37:24.349 --> 00:37:26.750
of the first time we met at Mark Bashaw's court

00:37:26.750 --> 00:37:29.530
-martial, the only court -martial that we knew

00:37:29.530 --> 00:37:32.329
of at the time for a service member not taking

00:37:32.329 --> 00:37:37.059
an emergency use product. a friend, Mark Bashaw.

00:37:37.179 --> 00:37:39.599
Again, I was in Idaho and there was a lot of

00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:43.179
activity happening on the East Coast. And I heard

00:37:43.179 --> 00:37:46.159
that there was a prior enlisted Air Force member

00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:48.800
who had cross -serviced into the Army. He was

00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:51.539
a first lieutenant. So in officer rank, that's

00:37:51.539 --> 00:37:54.219
very low ranking. So first lieutenant. But when

00:37:54.219 --> 00:37:56.539
you look at this 15 plus years of experience

00:37:56.539 --> 00:38:00.380
he had as enlisted, he was actually a well -trained

00:38:00.380 --> 00:38:04.639
and knowledgeable serviceman. And he refused

00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.880
the testing. And the masking. As was his right

00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:10.980
under the law. Right. Because even the masks,

00:38:11.019 --> 00:38:14.159
if you look at the box that the masks, it says

00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.539
EUA, right? And that federal statute doesn't

00:38:16.539 --> 00:38:19.780
say just EUA vaccines. It says EUA products.

00:38:19.820 --> 00:38:23.119
That includes the masks. That includes the test.

00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.820
And so he had every right. He was also a public

00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:29.849
health affairs. officer, like a medical officer,

00:38:30.010 --> 00:38:33.389
not a doctor seeing patients, but he had all

00:38:33.389 --> 00:38:36.750
of this data. He had filed protective communication

00:38:36.750 --> 00:38:39.789
up his chain of command, warning them of all

00:38:39.789 --> 00:38:41.949
the adverse events that he was seeing with this

00:38:41.949 --> 00:38:45.909
data, and they ignored it. And so he unfortunately

00:38:45.909 --> 00:38:49.380
was court -martialed. I was, again, in Idaho,

00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:52.260
and I'm like, I don't know if he has any friends

00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:54.719
or family on the East Coast. So there was just

00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:56.460
something stirring in my soul. I'm like, I have

00:38:56.460 --> 00:38:59.679
to fly out there and support him. A lot of us

00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.440
descended upon that town in Maryland to be there

00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:04.300
at the court -martial. That's the first place

00:39:04.300 --> 00:39:06.980
most of us met. There were about 15 of us, I

00:39:06.980 --> 00:39:09.719
think, in total. All there to protect this guy.

00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:12.760
Maybe 20. Could have been more. We have pictures,

00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:16.199
so we'll have to find them. And so that was when

00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:18.679
I, so Rob showed up in his uniform and he wasn't

00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:21.079
wearing a name tag, but I was introduced to him.

00:39:21.500 --> 00:39:24.840
And our other friend JJ said, this is Rob Green.

00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:28.400
And I'm like, wait, what? This is Rob Green.

00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:32.619
And literally starstruck. Like this, these are

00:39:32.619 --> 00:39:36.079
my heroes. Rob is my hero. JJ is my hero. Liv

00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:40.239
is my hero. Yeah. We had a really tight network

00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.139
of people helping lead this and share with our

00:39:44.139 --> 00:39:48.239
junior people how to fight back against unlawfulness

00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:51.920
in the military, how to use law to protect your

00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:55.440
rights and make sure that our leaders are held

00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:57.079
accountable to do the right thing. We swore an

00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.099
oath to do it. You had quite the battle, too.

00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.159
So I was, again, an ROTC instructor in the Pacific

00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:08.500
Northwest. And about 18 years in, I tried again

00:40:08.500 --> 00:40:12.300
for a medical exemption denied for I even tried

00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:15.059
to get on a clinical trial. Right. Because surely

00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:17.420
they're going to need the unvaccinated. and that

00:40:17.420 --> 00:40:20.880
was denied as well and so the order came down

00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:23.900
to get the shot or apply for separation and i

00:40:23.900 --> 00:40:25.280
said well i'm going to submit that a religious

00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.280
accommodation knowing that it was going to be

00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:28.820
denied but again that was just going to give

00:40:28.820 --> 00:40:31.139
me additional time to figure out what i'm going

00:40:31.139 --> 00:40:34.099
to do as a civilian if i did get kicked out and

00:40:34.099 --> 00:40:38.480
so So again, my religious accommodation was denied.

00:40:38.699 --> 00:40:41.900
I appealed it. The appeal was denied. And I had

00:40:41.900 --> 00:40:44.320
many friends and mentors saying, Carolyn, you're

00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:46.460
at 18 years in. Like, if you get kicked out,

00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:50.480
that's your retirement. It's gone. I said, do

00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.599
you not understand that none of us are going

00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:56.059
to have a retirement? if this type of behavior

00:40:56.059 --> 00:40:58.480
continues if they're willing and able to invade

00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.699
my body they're going to have no problem invading

00:41:01.699 --> 00:41:05.079
my bank account to take my retirement so and

00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.619
money is not what drives me doing the right thing

00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:11.500
is what drives me and so um again i was prepared

00:41:11.500 --> 00:41:14.039
to get kicked out and thankfully there was a

00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:17.699
judge mcfarland from ohio that granted an injunction

00:41:17.699 --> 00:41:21.739
in the summer of 2022 that basically said okay

00:41:21.739 --> 00:41:24.820
air force you need to stop giving letters of

00:41:24.820 --> 00:41:28.480
reprimand, administratively separating service

00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:32.019
members. And that is what basically saved my

00:41:32.019 --> 00:41:33.780
career and the only reason why I'm still serving

00:41:33.780 --> 00:41:38.579
today. Were you culturally ostracized? By your

00:41:38.579 --> 00:41:41.539
peers or anything like that happen? So in an

00:41:41.539 --> 00:41:43.980
ROTC unit for the instructors, there were only

00:41:43.980 --> 00:41:46.800
six or seven of us. I did have a coworker who

00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.760
was on my side. So we had each other. But there

00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.659
were cadets, right? The hundred cadets that we

00:41:51.659 --> 00:41:54.260
were leading to do the right thing. And there

00:41:54.260 --> 00:41:56.619
were some of them who, again, looked at us like,

00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:59.019
you guys are just like weird. Like, just get

00:41:59.019 --> 00:42:01.579
the shot. Even my commander just, he didn't understand

00:42:01.579 --> 00:42:05.219
why we were willing to potentially throw our

00:42:05.219 --> 00:42:09.210
18 years away. so i didn't feel it as much as

00:42:09.210 --> 00:42:12.090
maybe a bigger a bigger unit just because we

00:42:12.090 --> 00:42:15.010
were so small and again in idaho i mean everybody

00:42:15.010 --> 00:42:18.710
were in my community they were of the same mindset

00:42:18.710 --> 00:42:21.909
so it was somewhat easy for me but i have family

00:42:21.909 --> 00:42:24.730
members and friends who just they didn't understand

00:42:24.730 --> 00:42:29.230
my my train of thought and um you know unfortunately

00:42:29.230 --> 00:42:32.510
that put a strain on those relationships so you

00:42:32.510 --> 00:42:35.130
had some family or family members that stopped

00:42:35.130 --> 00:42:37.289
talking to you because of your stance i would

00:42:37.289 --> 00:42:40.849
say not completely but paused significantly yeah

00:42:40.849 --> 00:42:43.090
and i will also say we talked about fitness earlier

00:42:43.090 --> 00:42:46.170
you know come back come from a pretty competitive

00:42:46.170 --> 00:42:48.489
fitness background i mean i'm not winning any

00:42:48.489 --> 00:42:50.670
world champions or anything like that championships

00:42:50.670 --> 00:42:54.289
but used to do ironman triathlons and love to

00:42:54.289 --> 00:42:58.309
lift didn't hike in camp and when this happened

00:42:58.309 --> 00:43:01.449
all of that stopped because every free minute

00:43:01.449 --> 00:43:05.440
i had was reading documents that Rob was pushing,

00:43:05.619 --> 00:43:07.980
reading FDA documents, reading CDC documents.

00:43:08.219 --> 00:43:12.420
And yeah, it didn't hit me how much it affected

00:43:12.420 --> 00:43:15.900
my physical well -being until things started

00:43:15.900 --> 00:43:18.219
happening in our favor. And I'm like, oh, yeah,

00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:21.719
that's what it's like to work out five days a

00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:26.159
week, you know? Yeah. Now, can you guys, either

00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:29.760
of you share any stories of your juniors, things

00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:33.199
that hit them really hard? I mean, They obviously,

00:43:33.380 --> 00:43:36.420
you know, they didn't have necessarily your strength

00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:39.880
or bravery. I think many of them had a lot more

00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:44.119
strength and bravery than some of us. In many

00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:49.340
ways, we had rank behind us. And, you know, me

00:43:49.340 --> 00:43:52.739
personally, I decided to go on the offense. I

00:43:52.739 --> 00:43:56.360
was aggressive, and I went after admirals for

00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.880
breaking the law. And so, you know, they put

00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.059
me on the back burner. And they didn't come after

00:44:01.059 --> 00:44:03.039
me as hard because I was a problem to deal with

00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:05.380
later. And they went after junior people. I'm

00:44:05.380 --> 00:44:07.880
going to tell a story about Danny, Navy SEAL.

00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:15.239
And this is very emotional. And it's unbelievably

00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:20.019
tragic. But this, I hope for your audience to

00:44:20.019 --> 00:44:22.000
understand from this story, this was happening

00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.260
all over the place, everywhere. They would isolate

00:44:25.260 --> 00:44:27.760
service members who did not go along. In this

00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.900
particular case. Danny, Navy SEAL, had just come

00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:35.900
back from a deployment. He was a very young SEAL.

00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.159
He had come back and said, hey, I'm done. His

00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:42.539
experience over there, he did not have a good

00:44:42.539 --> 00:44:44.659
experience during his deployment. And he told

00:44:44.659 --> 00:44:46.480
his leadership, I want to get out of the military.

00:44:47.059 --> 00:44:50.519
Well, then the mandate dropped right before he

00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:51.760
was able to get out. And he's like, well, I'm

00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:53.280
already getting out. I'm not going to take this

00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:57.360
shot either. And so he got isolated with. A bunch

00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.119
of the other Navy SEALs who stood up and said,

00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:00.900
we're not going to go along with this. Many of

00:45:00.900 --> 00:45:03.380
them for their religious beliefs. Many of them

00:45:03.380 --> 00:45:06.320
because they had common sense and integrity not

00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:10.920
to get a fake shot or to get a fake card. And

00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:15.420
so they would isolate these individuals. They

00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:19.440
denied them training opportunities. They locked

00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:21.139
them out of their building, took their badges.

00:45:22.010 --> 00:45:24.650
They would still make them do basic administrative

00:45:24.650 --> 00:45:26.929
requirements, like every once in a while you

00:45:26.929 --> 00:45:29.010
come in, you take a urinalysis test, make sure

00:45:29.010 --> 00:45:32.030
there's no drugs or performance -enhancing mineral

00:45:32.030 --> 00:45:34.269
products in your body. They would have to wait

00:45:34.269 --> 00:45:37.289
outside their building and be escorted around

00:45:37.289 --> 00:45:39.590
like they were some foreign visitor. These are

00:45:39.590 --> 00:45:44.369
absolute heroes, the bloody, pointy edge of the

00:45:44.369 --> 00:45:49.440
spear for us. We spent millions of dollars making

00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.699
their bodies and minds some of the best weapon

00:45:53.699 --> 00:45:56.679
systems that we have. And they're treating these

00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:59.420
people like they're criminals for exercising

00:45:59.420 --> 00:46:04.320
what is an absolute right for them constitutionally

00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.519
and what is a right under statutory law for them

00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:11.639
to exercise. Danny the Navy SEAL and many of

00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:14.719
these other individuals in this particular group

00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:18.219
was Team 4, and they were isolated and put aside.

00:46:18.860 --> 00:46:22.320
They were given menial labor to do, like they

00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.059
were given yard work and raking leaves and things

00:46:25.059 --> 00:46:28.769
like that, right? Well, I got a call. This was

00:46:28.769 --> 00:46:32.230
in September, I believe it was September of 2022,

00:46:32.449 --> 00:46:35.010
and I got a call from a Master Chief Navy SEAL

00:46:35.010 --> 00:46:37.110
that I had gotten close to over the course of

00:46:37.110 --> 00:46:38.989
fighting the mandate. He said, hey, I really

00:46:38.989 --> 00:46:41.369
need you to talk to a couple of my team guys.

00:46:42.170 --> 00:46:45.670
And so a couple of the more junior SEALs got

00:46:45.670 --> 00:46:47.510
on a call with me, and one of them was the LPO

00:46:47.510 --> 00:46:51.010
to Danny, the leading petty officer. He said,

00:46:51.130 --> 00:46:52.730
hey, I want to let you know that Danny committed

00:46:52.730 --> 00:46:56.340
suicide. And, you know, they were telling me

00:46:56.340 --> 00:47:00.099
the story of how tragic this was and how he didn't

00:47:00.099 --> 00:47:03.500
have anybody. The leadership ignored them and

00:47:03.500 --> 00:47:06.639
didn't let them exercise their training, didn't

00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:08.460
let them exercise their bodies, didn't let them

00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:11.139
exercise their minds. And in the course of the

00:47:11.139 --> 00:47:14.440
isolation, it ended up being too much for Danny.

00:47:14.619 --> 00:47:17.000
And it was reported to me that the very last

00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:21.260
duty that Danny performed for his country was

00:47:21.260 --> 00:47:23.809
doing the yard work. Outside the building, he

00:47:23.809 --> 00:47:27.030
was no longer allowed to enter. There needs to

00:47:27.030 --> 00:47:29.610
be accountability for that from the senior leaders

00:47:29.610 --> 00:47:32.309
of our military who have done this to service

00:47:32.309 --> 00:47:35.130
members like Danny. And his case was not an isolated

00:47:35.130 --> 00:47:39.769
incident? I'll tell you this. There were 1 ,460

00:47:39.769 --> 00:47:41.929
suicides during the course of the three -year

00:47:41.929 --> 00:47:44.329
mandate. We're going to get to the bottom of

00:47:44.329 --> 00:47:47.010
this data. But during that same period, they

00:47:47.010 --> 00:47:50.010
alleged that there were 96 deaths due to the

00:47:50.010 --> 00:47:53.590
COVID infection. 96. Yet they isolated people,

00:47:53.769 --> 00:47:56.210
they separated them, they abused them, they coerced

00:47:56.210 --> 00:48:00.170
them. And there were 1 ,460 suicides during that

00:48:00.170 --> 00:48:03.349
same time period. You tell me, which is the greater

00:48:03.349 --> 00:48:05.570
pandemic? At the top of the show, he said that

00:48:05.570 --> 00:48:10.670
Secretary Haystaff's orders doesn't go quite

00:48:10.670 --> 00:48:14.289
far enough. Where is it lacking? When do we need

00:48:14.289 --> 00:48:19.269
to see? So again, based on President Trump's

00:48:19.269 --> 00:48:23.369
executive order, There is a process now for those

00:48:23.369 --> 00:48:26.929
who were kicked out, 8 ,600, 8 ,700 service members,

00:48:27.010 --> 00:48:30.650
to apply to come back in. That's problem number

00:48:30.650 --> 00:48:34.789
one. The DOD caused this issue. We should not

00:48:34.789 --> 00:48:37.449
put the onus on those service members that suffered

00:48:37.449 --> 00:48:41.070
from the DOD's decision to now apply to come

00:48:41.070 --> 00:48:43.150
back in. It's a step in the right direction.

00:48:43.250 --> 00:48:44.989
Don't get me wrong. We're glad that they acknowledged

00:48:44.989 --> 00:48:47.929
that they were wrongfully discharged and offering

00:48:47.929 --> 00:48:52.469
an opportunity to come back. Those were considered

00:48:52.469 --> 00:48:56.809
involuntary service members. They kicked out

00:48:56.809 --> 00:49:00.530
without a choice. Unfortunately, there were many

00:49:00.530 --> 00:49:04.849
who left service voluntarily, but in reality,

00:49:04.929 --> 00:49:07.829
it wasn't on a volunteer basis. When a service

00:49:07.829 --> 00:49:10.809
member is told, you either apply for separation

00:49:10.809 --> 00:49:15.510
on your own, and if you don't, you will be discharged

00:49:15.510 --> 00:49:18.980
dishonorably. You will suffer. you know letters

00:49:18.980 --> 00:49:21.179
of reprimand you might even go to a court -martial

00:49:21.179 --> 00:49:25.800
that is not that is coercion and that is a threat

00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:29.699
and so we have many many who have suffered in

00:49:29.699 --> 00:49:32.699
that capacity and then folks like rob and i who

00:49:32.699 --> 00:49:35.559
you know we missed out on training opportunities

00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:39.280
on job opportunities some many missed promotions

00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:41.980
our records it didn't matter if you were like

00:49:41.980 --> 00:49:45.480
the number one on track to be an admiral or general

00:49:46.269 --> 00:49:48.590
all of our records most of us i shouldn't say

00:49:48.590 --> 00:49:51.809
all most of our records then reflected because

00:49:51.809 --> 00:49:54.090
we're standing up for what's right and the law

00:49:54.090 --> 00:49:57.590
it reflected in our annual performance report

00:49:57.590 --> 00:49:59.769
so you could have been number one of this number

00:49:59.769 --> 00:50:02.269
one of that and now all of a sudden you don't

00:50:02.269 --> 00:50:04.750
get any stratification and so everybody in the

00:50:04.750 --> 00:50:08.010
military knows it's your paperwork that gets

00:50:08.010 --> 00:50:10.630
you promoted and if you don't have strong paperwork

00:50:10.630 --> 00:50:15.280
showing what a outstanding person you are the

00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:19.480
chances of you getting promoted are nil so that

00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:21.900
in and of itself has ruined careers people who

00:50:21.900 --> 00:50:25.760
plan to stay in for 20 or 25 30 years might not

00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.340
have that opportunity now because of the paperwork

00:50:29.340 --> 00:50:33.300
that was a result of them standing up for for

00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:37.639
the right thing how how many people were how

00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:41.139
many how many servicemen quit but It wasn't voluntary,

00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:44.079
but on paper, it looks voluntary. What's the

00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:48.579
number, do you guess? I mean, I don't think there

00:50:48.579 --> 00:50:50.019
is an exact number. I don't think we're going

00:50:50.019 --> 00:50:54.219
to find that until we dig deeper. We can guesstimate

00:50:54.219 --> 00:50:56.739
there were about 95 ,000 who were affected in

00:50:56.739 --> 00:51:00.420
some capacity. Dwarfs the number that were involuntary.

00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:04.219
Right. So, and again, grateful for Pete Hegsack,

00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.670
the Secretary of Defense, to... move forward

00:51:06.670 --> 00:51:11.650
with this offer to reinstate those $8 ,700, people

00:51:11.650 --> 00:51:14.489
are not going to come back just for the money.

00:51:14.809 --> 00:51:18.389
We almost got kicked out because of something

00:51:18.389 --> 00:51:22.010
bigger than profit. It's called integrity. It's

00:51:22.010 --> 00:51:24.610
called standing up for your constitutional right.

00:51:25.949 --> 00:51:28.670
And so, yeah, we're going to need that level

00:51:28.670 --> 00:51:31.429
of seriousness if we're really wanting to get

00:51:31.429 --> 00:51:34.090
the true patriots to come back in. It's about

00:51:34.090 --> 00:51:37.940
rebuilding trust. Do you think there's a possibility

00:51:37.940 --> 00:51:44.099
where the 90 ,000 people can be, you know, they

00:51:44.099 --> 00:51:47.519
can be evaluated to figure out how can we give

00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:49.960
them an opportunity to come back? I hear they

00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.539
might not want to come back because for me, it

00:51:52.539 --> 00:51:55.480
would be a major trust issue. Like, are you kidding

00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:58.380
me? Like, you defy everything that we represent.

00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:02.000
I never want to be back in this group. It's almost

00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:05.530
like coming out of the Matrix, right? They thought

00:52:05.530 --> 00:52:09.969
and believed their country had their backs. But

00:52:09.969 --> 00:52:14.030
then they turned their backs on them for an illegal

00:52:14.030 --> 00:52:17.269
mandate and didn't care about the laws. Yet everything

00:52:17.269 --> 00:52:21.210
in your bones are about the laws, the Constitution.

00:52:21.369 --> 00:52:23.670
That's why you're here. You know, this is why

00:52:23.670 --> 00:52:31.909
we have our service mandate. How could the government...

00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.219
Earn the trust back from other people to want

00:52:36.219 --> 00:52:38.300
to even come back. You know, have any of you

00:52:38.300 --> 00:52:43.920
put any thought into that? We have. So we have

00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.519
helped as a group. We've drafted some, you know,

00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:49.760
what originally we had hoped to be an executive

00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:55.340
order, which we may recraft into a guidance for

00:52:55.340 --> 00:52:59.239
the secretary of defense or the undersecretary

00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:00.940
of defense for personnel and readiness to put

00:53:00.940 --> 00:53:04.980
out. But the idea from our perspective is we

00:53:04.980 --> 00:53:08.159
stand up a commission that has authority over

00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.659
the Bureau for the Correction of Military Records

00:53:10.659 --> 00:53:12.760
and the Bureau for the Correction of Naval Records

00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:17.099
that can direct all of the actions. We don't

00:53:17.099 --> 00:53:20.059
make service members go hat in hand to the institution

00:53:20.059 --> 00:53:26.159
that betrayed them to request things. We go top

00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:30.300
down and we direct the corrections. and then

00:53:30.300 --> 00:53:33.300
make the offers. And then they can accept it

00:53:33.300 --> 00:53:36.320
or choose not to. Start with an apology letter.

00:53:36.460 --> 00:53:39.420
Oh, yes. That is huge. Start with inviting them

00:53:39.420 --> 00:53:42.800
to Shindig with you, a couple of them together,

00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:46.400
announcing, again, a formal apology and how much

00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:48.519
we would love to have you back. And we were so

00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:51.019
sorry for all of these things that may be even

00:53:51.019 --> 00:53:54.949
terminating the admiral who did this. Yeah. So,

00:53:55.010 --> 00:53:56.989
I mean, it's not just one admiral. There are

00:53:56.989 --> 00:53:59.809
admirals and generals throughout the force that

00:53:59.809 --> 00:54:02.690
made these decisions. And I wrote a document

00:54:02.690 --> 00:54:05.510
or I wrote an article with a vice admiral, Dean

00:54:05.510 --> 00:54:08.150
Lee, incredible leader. He got out several years

00:54:08.150 --> 00:54:10.329
before this, but he's been a great mentor of

00:54:10.329 --> 00:54:11.789
mine. And he and I wrote an article together.

00:54:12.190 --> 00:54:16.730
Is it the Constitution or the institution? And

00:54:16.730 --> 00:54:20.760
we lay out how over the last few decades. Our

00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.539
leaders have put the institution first. If there's

00:54:23.539 --> 00:54:27.599
ever a conflict, they circle the wagons to protect

00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.400
the institution and they do not protect constitutional

00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:33.159
rights. And so with that habit in place over

00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:36.039
the last several decades, we need accountability.

00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:38.579
We need a few. It doesn't need to be every one

00:54:38.579 --> 00:54:40.219
of them because that would be a lot of the force.

00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:43.260
But it needs to be a few of the three and the

00:54:43.260 --> 00:54:46.539
four star level leaders, a few of the SCS leaders

00:54:46.539 --> 00:54:50.159
who... broke the law to be held accountable in

00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:53.539
some level. Maybe people don't need to go to

00:54:53.539 --> 00:54:56.380
prison, but we need to do grade determinations

00:54:56.380 --> 00:54:58.599
on some of these leaders. That means let's find

00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:00.800
out the last rank at which they served honorably,

00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:03.099
and their retirement check needs to be reduced

00:55:03.099 --> 00:55:05.400
to that level. Though there are things that we

00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.219
can do to make sure that an example is set so

00:55:08.219 --> 00:55:11.059
it's a constitutional deterrence in the future.

00:55:11.260 --> 00:55:15.219
I imagine your fight continues still. Tell us

00:55:15.219 --> 00:55:16.960
about the book. What was the inspiration for

00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:19.980
the book? When did you start writing this? Yeah,

00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:24.539
thank you for that question. So I have been writing

00:55:24.539 --> 00:55:29.059
furiously since about September, October of 2021.

00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:33.059
It was my weapon of choice in going and fighting

00:55:33.059 --> 00:55:36.219
my own leaders for our constitutional rights.

00:55:36.860 --> 00:55:41.900
And I realized at some point, especially as they

00:55:43.530 --> 00:55:46.929
The messaging within Congress was, hey, we're

00:55:46.929 --> 00:55:48.989
going to do everything we can to repeal this

00:55:48.989 --> 00:55:51.030
mandate. I realized they're going to probably

00:55:51.030 --> 00:55:53.210
repeal this thing and then try to pretend nothing

00:55:53.210 --> 00:55:56.530
ever happened. I said, absolutely not. And so

00:55:56.530 --> 00:56:00.739
the book. was birthed out of the idea that we

00:56:00.739 --> 00:56:03.639
have to document this for posterity's sake so

00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:05.920
that we do not lose these stories. And I try

00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:09.039
to tell as little of my personal story in the

00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:12.380
book as possible. And I tell the stories of Danny.

00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:14.539
I tell the stories of the service members who

00:56:14.539 --> 00:56:16.659
were harmed in different ways. I give the legal

00:56:16.659 --> 00:56:20.579
analysis required to understand the law. And

00:56:20.579 --> 00:56:22.760
I start with the founding fathers. Every opening

00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:25.769
to each... Each chapter of the book is a founding

00:56:25.769 --> 00:56:28.969
father who dealt with a similar situation. And

00:56:28.969 --> 00:56:32.130
I try to tie in that quote from that founding

00:56:32.130 --> 00:56:35.050
father into that particular part of the book

00:56:35.050 --> 00:56:38.570
in that chapter. And so the idea was making sure

00:56:38.570 --> 00:56:40.449
that we never forget this. We tell all these

00:56:40.449 --> 00:56:43.769
stories and then we make sure we name the names

00:56:43.769 --> 00:56:48.320
because truth. matters here and we're not going

00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:50.739
to have accountability if we don't speak the

00:56:50.739 --> 00:56:53.000
truth boldly. Also got to give a massive shout

00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:57.719
out to Skyhorse, to CHD, Skyhorse Publishing

00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:00.679
for being behind the book. Tony Lyons and team

00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:04.619
did a great job. Mary Holland was huge in helping

00:57:04.619 --> 00:57:07.860
make this happen. So to all those who helped

00:57:07.860 --> 00:57:11.780
make the book happen, just a massive thank you.

00:57:13.260 --> 00:57:16.719
We blasted through a lot of censorship, and it's

00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:20.480
been something that service members have found

00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:23.039
really motivating. I've had some people contact

00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:27.219
me and say, hey, I got PTSD again, going through

00:57:27.219 --> 00:57:30.300
these stories, reliving this experience. But

00:57:30.300 --> 00:57:32.360
it's what the American people need to understand

00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:35.960
what's happened to so many of us. So to Skyhorse

00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:38.840
Publishing, Tony Lyons, Mary Hahn, and the whole

00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:43.389
team. Thank you very much. You can get it on

00:57:43.389 --> 00:57:46.329
Amazon and Barnes & Noble. It's also on Audible.

00:57:46.510 --> 00:57:49.210
So if you have time or you're trying to multitask

00:57:49.210 --> 00:57:51.989
and listen to a book. John Pruden did a great

00:57:51.989 --> 00:57:54.409
job reading it. It wasn't me. And that was a

00:57:54.409 --> 00:57:59.440
great Rob's book. basically what drove the Children's

00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:01.420
Health Defense to create a military chapter,

00:58:01.659 --> 00:58:05.659
knowing that so many military members were suffering

00:58:05.659 --> 00:58:09.559
from the vaccine mandate, whether they were harmed

00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:12.960
after having been injected in their bodies or

00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.300
they were harmed professionally. Moral injury

00:58:15.300 --> 00:58:19.320
is probably our biggest concern right now. But

00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:21.579
we also know that there are harms such as the

00:58:21.579 --> 00:58:24.880
Red Hill fuel disaster that happened in Hawaii.

00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:26.340
I don't know if you're tracking that. Unfortunately,

00:58:26.739 --> 00:58:30.820
it's another Navy incident where fuel was leaked

00:58:30.820 --> 00:58:34.139
into the water supply of those who lived on and

00:58:34.139 --> 00:58:39.800
near the Navy base out in Hawaii. And so we've

00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:42.440
got mold in dorms and houses like these are all

00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:45.039
toxic exposures that are affecting physically

00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:47.260
affecting our service members. We are poisoning.

00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:50.369
We are harming our service members. And so. Children's

00:58:50.369 --> 00:58:52.849
Health Defense in October 2023, we created a

00:58:52.849 --> 00:58:55.750
military chapter. We had our first conference

00:58:55.750 --> 00:58:58.110
in August of 2023. And now we're in the process

00:58:58.110 --> 00:59:01.570
of creating a documentary to showcase many of

00:59:01.570 --> 00:59:03.530
the stories that Rob talks about in his book.

00:59:03.610 --> 00:59:06.090
And Rob has agreed to be part of that documentary.

00:59:06.349 --> 00:59:08.969
So we are excited. We meet the board the end

00:59:08.969 --> 00:59:11.230
of this month to see if they will agree to move

00:59:11.230 --> 00:59:12.929
forward with this documentary. We think they

00:59:12.929 --> 00:59:15.150
will because Mary Holland, that's how we connected.

00:59:15.590 --> 00:59:18.190
She actually attended our conference back in

00:59:18.190 --> 00:59:21.849
August last year. and she loved it. And so we're

00:59:21.849 --> 00:59:23.789
pretty confident that the documentary will get

00:59:23.789 --> 00:59:26.309
a thumbs up. And so then the next step is, you

00:59:26.309 --> 00:59:28.309
know, obviously the fundraising and all that

00:59:28.309 --> 00:59:31.010
good stuff. But we are excited because like a

00:59:31.010 --> 00:59:33.289
book, we also think a documentary is going to

00:59:33.289 --> 00:59:36.349
be pretty powerful to share the story. We love

00:59:36.349 --> 00:59:40.650
CHD. Yeah. Good. Good. And they did great work.

00:59:40.710 --> 00:59:43.030
Yeah. They do. And it's important to have that

00:59:43.030 --> 00:59:45.570
voice and to be able to share with others everything.

00:59:45.909 --> 00:59:49.849
Tell us real fast a few minutes about your open

00:59:49.849 --> 00:59:53.349
letter to the American people. Maybe Alex, you

00:59:53.349 --> 00:59:57.610
can also put this as a link below. Will you share

00:59:57.610 --> 00:59:59.829
a little bit of that? Signatures on the back.

00:59:59.849 --> 01:00:04.789
So that's only page one of several pages. There's

01:00:04.789 --> 01:00:08.539
231 and we use that number. quite regularly,

01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:12.699
231 wet signatures of either current service

01:00:12.699 --> 01:00:15.340
members or former service members who signed

01:00:15.340 --> 01:00:19.119
on to, again, Rob's brilliant words on paper.

01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:21.219
It reads very much like the Declaration of Independence,

01:00:21.619 --> 01:00:26.760
but it talks about how we're going to hold the

01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:29.380
military accountable. So, Rob, it's your read.

01:00:29.380 --> 01:00:32.300
Yeah. So, like the book. So, we talked about

01:00:32.300 --> 01:00:35.780
the book. They ignored the book. I was expecting

01:00:35.780 --> 01:00:38.260
like when I filed the mutiny complaint and I

01:00:38.260 --> 01:00:40.340
was like scared that I was going to get, you

01:00:40.340 --> 01:00:43.719
know, federal agents at the door. And then, you

01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:45.619
know, I filed the whistleblower report after

01:00:45.619 --> 01:00:48.860
that and was expecting some response from my

01:00:48.860 --> 01:00:51.460
leaders. The book, I was expecting some response

01:00:51.460 --> 01:00:55.639
from them. You know, we we mailed books to like

01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:58.639
like almost every three and four star admiral

01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:01.360
in general. It felt like, please read this. This

01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:04.400
is important for you to understand. Completely

01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:06.860
ignored. And so this document you're talking

01:01:06.860 --> 01:01:09.039
about is the Declaration of Military Accountability.

01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:14.119
The idea sprung up because we had been ignored

01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:16.980
and no one was paying attention to this. And

01:01:16.980 --> 01:01:21.500
we realized, you know, the cases were being thrown

01:01:21.500 --> 01:01:25.699
out in court. Congress. Only a couple individuals

01:01:25.699 --> 01:01:27.900
in Congress paid any attention to the military

01:01:27.900 --> 01:01:30.519
issues with the mandate, and the executive branch

01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:32.679
was the one causing these problems, right? So

01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:34.800
our three branches of government are not responding.

01:01:34.900 --> 01:01:38.699
Who else can we go to? Well, the ultimate authority

01:01:38.699 --> 01:01:42.519
over all those branches is we the people. So

01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:44.280
this is an open letter to the we the people.

01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:47.739
We're not, as the 231 and then the now almost

01:01:47.739 --> 01:01:51.329
40 ,000 people who have signed a petition. supporting

01:01:51.329 --> 01:01:56.030
this, it's not requesting anybody else make sure

01:01:56.030 --> 01:01:58.769
accountability happens. It's a pledge that we

01:01:58.769 --> 01:02:02.219
have taken ourselves that... No matter what happens,

01:02:02.420 --> 01:02:04.739
we are going to pledge to hold our own leaders

01:02:04.739 --> 01:02:06.840
accountable. We're going to get members of our

01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:10.920
networks into positions in Congress. If we ever

01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:13.340
have the lawful authority to do so in the executive

01:02:13.340 --> 01:02:15.400
branch at the secretary of defense level or the

01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:17.900
service secretaries, we're going to recall for

01:02:17.900 --> 01:02:19.880
court marshals, if we're able, some of these

01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:23.159
retired leaders to bring them back on to do full

01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:25.980
investigations and then hold them accountable.

01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:30.179
You know, if the investigations determined that

01:02:30.179 --> 01:02:32.300
they have broken the law, which all evidence

01:02:32.300 --> 01:02:34.599
indicates that they have, as we have demonstrated.

01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:39.000
And so the idea is that we're going to do this

01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.920
ourselves. We're part of we the people. We don't

01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:45.559
like like George Washington said, you when you

01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:50.340
when you take up the the arms as as a soldier,

01:02:50.420 --> 01:02:53.840
you don't lay down the citizen. And that's what

01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:56.760
we're here to do. We are still citizens of the

01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:59.519
United States. We are still members of we the

01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:01.360
people. And we're going to stand for our rights

01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:06.360
and make sure that our government serves us and

01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:08.500
not the other way around. Did you ever think

01:03:08.500 --> 01:03:11.960
that you'd become a massive activist? No, I know.

01:03:12.940 --> 01:03:14.980
We joke, I'm like, every day it's like, are we

01:03:14.980 --> 01:03:16.760
getting punked? Like, when are the cameras going

01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:20.059
to come out? This is not real. Never in a million

01:03:20.059 --> 01:03:25.039
years. Never. And by activists, like we're just

01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:28.900
asking for truth and law and order to return

01:03:28.900 --> 01:03:32.280
to our beloved Department of Defense. Like we're

01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:35.460
not asking for anything over the top, right?

01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:40.420
Just get it back to the basics. I mean, my personal

01:03:40.420 --> 01:03:43.260
opinion is I think you were chosen. I look at

01:03:43.260 --> 01:03:46.760
everybody that really stood up and fought back

01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:49.980
and they were chosen. And it's like God knew

01:03:49.980 --> 01:03:53.599
who to tap on the shoulder. And when you heard

01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:55.940
that voice, you knew that you couldn't do anything

01:03:55.940 --> 01:03:58.980
else. And I could feel that in both your souls.

01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:03.639
You knew there was no other choice. Even though

01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:06.260
it meant potentially being fired, potentially

01:04:06.260 --> 01:04:08.320
being court -martialed, potentially being in

01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:12.360
handcuffs, your soul knew the direction you needed

01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:16.239
to go in. you know once you get your children's

01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:18.400
health defense you know i don't know if you're

01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:20.460
gonna have a website or what you're gonna have

01:04:20.460 --> 01:04:22.940
up make sure you send us the link as well so

01:04:22.940 --> 01:04:25.039
we can post it and share it and help you guys

01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:27.420
raise some money yeah thank you i i really think

01:04:27.420 --> 01:04:30.260
it's incredible what you've done and i really

01:04:30.260 --> 01:04:33.119
really hope and pray that anybody watching this

01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:36.019
reading your book watching your future documentary

01:04:36.019 --> 01:04:40.869
says wait a minute Next time something like this

01:04:40.869 --> 01:04:43.670
comes around, let's all just come together as

01:04:43.670 --> 01:04:46.170
one. Whenever somebody is canceled, they don't

01:04:46.170 --> 01:04:48.929
just take their foot off the pedal to you. And

01:04:48.929 --> 01:04:51.269
I presume you still have some sort of examination

01:04:51.269 --> 01:04:53.190
going on. Is there anything that's happening

01:04:53.190 --> 01:04:56.230
right now that you feel like your cancellation

01:04:56.230 --> 01:05:01.449
journey has not completely ended quite yet? So

01:05:01.449 --> 01:05:04.909
for me, I mean, I know that this happens to so

01:05:04.909 --> 01:05:10.550
many service members. The bad side of your leaders,

01:05:10.690 --> 01:05:15.230
they keep that microscope on you. And so I have

01:05:15.230 --> 01:05:17.269
gotten information. This is not even COVID related,

01:05:17.449 --> 01:05:20.269
but I've been given information from whistleblowers

01:05:20.269 --> 01:05:22.309
who have been harmed in other ways, criminal

01:05:22.309 --> 01:05:24.989
actions taken against them. And in this case,

01:05:24.989 --> 01:05:28.150
it was allegedly committed by some very senior.

01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:31.320
Flag officers, I mean, that means admirals, flag

01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.039
officer, judge, advocate general, so lawyers

01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:37.360
in the Navy. And so I helped get this information

01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:41.380
to our senior leaders. We've verified some of

01:05:41.380 --> 01:05:43.820
this information was not frivolous. We've got

01:05:43.820 --> 01:05:46.360
audio recordings. These were crimes committed

01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:49.480
against service members and against alleged crimes

01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:52.960
committed against the government. Some of it

01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:55.860
corruption related. And so it's very serious

01:05:55.860 --> 01:05:59.119
stuff. It's not COVID related. And so but because

01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:03.099
of how public we have been, whistleblowers are

01:06:03.099 --> 01:06:05.059
starting to come out of the woodwork and seeing

01:06:05.059 --> 01:06:06.920
this and saying, hey, we want to take our government

01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:09.440
back. Help us get this information out. Some

01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:11.019
of them want to be anonymous. They want to be

01:06:11.019 --> 01:06:15.019
protected. And so. In this particular case, after

01:06:15.019 --> 01:06:17.559
vetting the information that it is real, there

01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:21.219
is physical evidence that this happened. There's

01:06:21.219 --> 01:06:24.210
audio recordings. I made sure to get this to

01:06:24.210 --> 01:06:26.530
senior leaders in the Navy, made sure to get

01:06:26.530 --> 01:06:29.650
it to the FBI. There has been NCIS investigations

01:06:29.650 --> 01:06:32.809
opened. And people don't like this kind of thing.

01:06:32.889 --> 01:06:35.269
And so they keep the microscope on you. And I

01:06:35.269 --> 01:06:38.489
was informed by an insider that there was a prosecution

01:06:38.489 --> 01:06:41.650
review done on me. I might have been just a week

01:06:41.650 --> 01:06:44.889
or two ago to try to see if they could get anything

01:06:44.889 --> 01:06:47.489
on me and prosecute me for something. And so

01:06:47.489 --> 01:06:49.989
this is for helping a whistleblower. who had

01:06:49.989 --> 01:06:52.670
crimes committed against them, that NCIS is treating

01:06:52.670 --> 01:06:56.230
as a victim. And so it goes to show you that

01:06:56.230 --> 01:07:01.269
the people who put the institution first, they're

01:07:01.269 --> 01:07:04.389
going to continue to do that until we have accountability

01:07:04.389 --> 01:07:07.530
for these things. And so I offer that it's not

01:07:07.530 --> 01:07:09.980
even... COVID related, but I offer that for your

01:07:09.980 --> 01:07:12.539
audience to know that if you stand up and if

01:07:12.539 --> 01:07:15.280
you go public and you stand for the truth, other

01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:17.760
people will follow. Other people will get courage

01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:19.820
and they will join us in the fight and we'll

01:07:19.820 --> 01:07:22.679
have more people winning our nation back. Yeah.

01:07:22.739 --> 01:07:26.039
I love that. Yeah. Courage is contagious. I have

01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:28.579
hope that we are winning our nation back one

01:07:28.579 --> 01:07:31.170
day at a time. What about you, Chandler? Are

01:07:31.170 --> 01:07:33.469
you going through anything? I will say not at

01:07:33.469 --> 01:07:36.510
the magnitude Rob is. As I mentioned, Rob is

01:07:36.510 --> 01:07:39.610
leading the effort on all of our activities,

01:07:39.730 --> 01:07:43.750
fighting corruption within the DOD. Thankfully,

01:07:43.849 --> 01:07:46.650
I have not been under the microscope. I will

01:07:46.650 --> 01:07:48.849
also say I don't have as big of a platform on

01:07:48.849 --> 01:07:53.449
social media. But things have not been good to

01:07:53.449 --> 01:07:56.690
the point where I have decided to retire this

01:07:56.690 --> 01:07:59.860
year. now granted we have a new administration

01:07:59.860 --> 01:08:03.500
right i submitted my retirement i july of 2024,

01:08:03.940 --> 01:08:06.400
not knowing that President Trump was going to

01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:08.139
win, not knowing that Pete Hegseth was going

01:08:08.139 --> 01:08:10.619
to be our Secretary of Defense. And so now I'm

01:08:10.619 --> 01:08:12.900
actually excited. We talked earlier when we opened

01:08:12.900 --> 01:08:16.340
up the show how great it is that we have a true

01:08:16.340 --> 01:08:19.199
patriot as our Secretary of Defense. And so if

01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:21.199
there is an opportunity to continue serving,

01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:25.079
to retract my retirement, stay in uniform, to

01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:28.399
lead, right, be a leader of honor and integrity

01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:31.920
and courage, I would be honored to do that. But

01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:36.770
if that opportunity does not exist. I personally

01:08:36.770 --> 01:08:40.569
cannot continue in the Air Force anymore. It's

01:08:40.569 --> 01:08:43.869
unrecognizable from when I joined over 20 years

01:08:43.869 --> 01:08:46.050
ago. I'll tell you where we need her serving.

01:08:46.890 --> 01:08:50.090
She's with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations.

01:08:50.250 --> 01:08:53.029
We need her somewhere in the Inspector General's

01:08:53.029 --> 01:08:55.090
apparatus. We need her leading the Department

01:08:55.090 --> 01:08:56.989
of Defense and getting to the bottom of this.

01:08:58.090 --> 01:09:01.229
She's the expert we need doing that. So if we're

01:09:01.229 --> 01:09:04.569
unable to get her back on the fast track towards

01:09:04.569 --> 01:09:08.609
flag, then we need her leading at the highest

01:09:08.609 --> 01:09:11.750
levels. But we have faith. I mean, none of us

01:09:11.750 --> 01:09:14.829
predicted today was going to happen four years

01:09:14.829 --> 01:09:19.010
ago. So not knowing that we actually would have

01:09:19.010 --> 01:09:21.789
an opportunity to right some of these wrongs,

01:09:21.789 --> 01:09:24.590
it didn't stop us from fighting. So with or without

01:09:24.590 --> 01:09:29.199
an offer, we're not going to stop fighting. That's

01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:31.199
the bottom line. Keep fighting. Keep fighting.

01:09:31.300 --> 01:09:34.159
This was truly a silent war. It's a spiritual

01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:37.420
war that's happening. 100%. Do you think that

01:09:37.420 --> 01:09:41.359
there's a way to, you know, you said everything

01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:43.720
was about the records and the papers and your

01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:47.699
papers are not what they were. Is there a way

01:09:47.699 --> 01:09:50.460
for that to be cleaned up? Is there a way for

01:09:50.460 --> 01:09:53.819
you to be put back to where as if like... Let's

01:09:53.819 --> 01:09:57.060
go rewind. This is who you are. You dedicated

01:09:57.060 --> 01:10:02.380
your life, 21 years, 20 years. Like, is there

01:10:02.380 --> 01:10:05.479
a plan? That is part of. To clean this up so

01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:07.420
you can get back to where you were and continue

01:10:07.420 --> 01:10:12.039
servicing our country. So that goes back to the

01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:15.020
proposed. We drafted it like an executive order

01:10:15.020 --> 01:10:18.340
because. We did take into consideration all of

01:10:18.340 --> 01:10:21.319
these nuances that happened. And so we have a

01:10:21.319 --> 01:10:24.039
game plan on what that would look like, special

01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:27.159
boards for folks who didn't get promoted solely

01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:29.060
because they refused to take the COVID shot.

01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:32.020
And it's going to take logistical planning to

01:10:32.020 --> 01:10:34.899
make that happen. But we have many smart people

01:10:34.899 --> 01:10:38.420
who know how to make it become a thing. And so

01:10:38.420 --> 01:10:41.439
we're just waiting for our message to get out

01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:43.859
there and connections to be made so that we can

01:10:43.859 --> 01:10:47.100
share our ideas with top leadership. Recently,

01:10:47.180 --> 01:10:49.520
you were at Mar -a -Lago. If maybe you could

01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:52.220
share with us what happened, what was the experience,

01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:54.939
what was the purpose? Yeah. So it was hosted

01:10:54.939 --> 01:10:57.819
by America's Future. It's an organization that's

01:10:57.819 --> 01:11:00.479
been around for several decades, maybe even longer.

01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:03.579
And they wanted to highlight folks who demonstrated

01:11:03.579 --> 01:11:06.659
American exceptionalism. And so they had famous

01:11:06.659 --> 01:11:10.279
people like Mike Tyson, Russell Brandt. And during

01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:13.699
the planning for this event, one of our friends

01:11:13.699 --> 01:11:18.350
who's on the board. suggested, we need to highlight

01:11:18.350 --> 01:11:22.329
and recognize the veterans, whether still serving

01:11:22.329 --> 01:11:26.850
or past served. And everybody thought that was

01:11:26.850 --> 01:11:30.029
a great idea. And so they put their heads together

01:11:30.029 --> 01:11:32.529
and they figured out who from each branch was

01:11:32.529 --> 01:11:35.550
going to get the journalism award. And so that

01:11:35.550 --> 01:11:39.430
is how Rob and I were represented or nominated

01:11:39.430 --> 01:11:42.819
for this special occasion. There were five of

01:11:42.819 --> 01:11:45.880
us that were honored as service members. Matt

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Lohmeyer, me, Carolyn, Stu Scheller, and Teresa

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Long. So one of us from each service. It was

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a great honor. It was incredible being there.

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I think we were pretty blown away. First time

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I've ever been. We don't do events like that.

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But to see the hope, to see the change that's

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coming, to see the patriots that were there.

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It gave us a lot of hope for the future. That's

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amazing. Well, congratulations. Thank you. I

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think anybody who's gone through a cancellation

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journey, that's the purpose of the show, to get

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the story out, has been selected in some way

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for the leveling up of your soul or a closer

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connection with the divine or for whatever reason

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that's beyond our comprehension. God. Yeah. And

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I'm not surprised by the stance that you took

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because you're in the military and you are taught

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integrity and authenticity and standing up for

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what you believe in. And I'm really grateful

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that you came on the show and shared your story.

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And you're a great role model for your families.

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And you should be very proud of yourself. And

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on behalf of the American people, we the people,

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we really appreciate you. Thank you so much.