If the government gets away with violating basic
human rights and bodily autonomy rights, Fourth
Amendment rights, Fifth Amendment rights to due
process, your First Amendment right to basic
free speech and your religious beliefs, then
they'll be able to get away with it for the rest
of the population. That is why I think it was
so important for... the administration, the executive
branch, to make sure that the government fell
in line and had the military follow these orders
regardless of their lawfulness. For those of
you who love our country, you're going to love
today's episode. In early February, Pete Hagsath,
the head of the Department of Defense, put this
memorandum in place in order to reinstate soldiers
who were voluntarily or involuntarily ousted
from the military due to... the grounds that
they did not want to take the COVID vaccine.
And it was very unfortunate. Today, we have two
really special guests. We have Lieutenant Colonel
Carolyn Rocco, who served in the Air Force, serves
in the Air Force for a very long time, and Commander
Robert Green, who's with the Navy for a very
long time. And these two, not only people who
have signed up to serve our country, they've
been activists. And in fact, Commander Green
has written this book, Defending the Constitution,
Behind the Enemy Lines, A Story of Hope for...
those who love liberty. And we're going to dig
in and find out their story and how they fought
for everybody and fought for our country and
the rights behind our constitution. So I'd like
to start off. Why were you drawn to, Carolyn,
I can call you Carolyn. Why were you drawn to
military service in the first place? To be honest,
it was a job opportunity. I was 22, 23 at the
time, and I just didn't want to wait tables anymore.
And so the Air Force offered me an opportunity
to serve. And I thought it was just going to
be four years and I'd get out and continue life.
But those four years as an enlisted C -130 aircraft
maintainer were some of the best years of my
life. And so I made a decision at that point
that I wanted to make the Air Force my career
for the next 20 plus years. So I separated from
active duty to... fulfill my um or excuse me
to complete my degree and uh graduate via rotc
reserve officer training command and then i came
back in as an officer in 2007. Well, we're very
appreciative of your service to our country.
And I can call you Rob, please. It was little
boy dreams that drew you to the military. That's
exactly right. Nobody in my family had ever been
in the Navy. And I found a book when I was about
eight years old called The Magnificent Mariner.
It's a book about John Paul Jones, one of the
founding fathers of the Navy. And I fell in love
with the idea of combat at sea, of riding the
waves of a ship. and leading men in combat and
trying to do things with the Navy. And so at
the end of the book, there's a section about
officer training, and it mentions United States
Naval Academy. And so that became my dream. I
researched everything about it and did everything
I could to get into the Naval Academy. And then,
like Carolyn, I commissioned in 2007 and out
of the Naval Academy. You were on the front line.
You were defending. your people, which these
are the stories I love. You guys are heroes.
You were already heroes because you were willing
to put down your life for us, for Americans.
But now you took it a step further and you were
willing to sacrifice everything for everybody
around you that was in the situation that maybe
they didn't have the strong voice that you had.
But even with that voice, you could have been
arrested. You could have been fired. You already
had so many ramifications. Share with us your
journey from the beginning, from when the shot
was announced and when you were told that it's
mandatory. Just go through it. What was the process?
Just share. Whoever wants to go first. You want
to go first? Go ahead. All right. I'll start.
Thanks. She threw me under the bus. It wasn't
immediate where we went into a mandate situation.
It started off with a very soft level of coercion.
There was significant fear. As you both know,
as we all know, there was a heightened amount
of fear being pushed on our populace. And so
the same thing was happening in the Navy and
in all the services. And so they conditioned.
military members to these sometimes way over
the top mitigation measures. You know, people
were masking, people were six feet from each
other all the time. And in the military, as you
can imagine, if they were getting the the population
to do this in the grocery store, the military
was very regimented with this. And so it was
a significant amount of coercion pushed. And
then they started introducing, at the time, voluntary
shots. And it was voluntary, sort of. There was
significant pressure put on the commanders from
the upper levels within the DoD to get their
shot. percentages up within units. And so as
you know, if you're graded on something, and
they were graded on how well they're mitigating
health risks, it ended up causing significant
pressure to be put on junior service members.
And so that was the environment that Carolyn
and I found ourselves trying to protect junior
people, make sure that they understood their
rights. You do not have to do this. You have
a choice. These are all... Products that have
been introduced into the market as emergency
use products. And so you have rights. You can
say no. And so that was the environment leading
up to the mandate. And so at that point, I'll
turn it over to you, Carolyn. I was in the Washington,
Idaho area. I was an ROTC instructor at the time.
And Rob was. I was in Rhode Island. I was leading
a 650 person unit and doing security details.
So as leaders, you both instinctively jumped
in. To basically defy your bosses, right? Not
defy, because at that point, all the orders were
mostly lawful. There were some masking and testing
requirements that started to toe the line on
lawfulness. We can get into that later in the
show. But we identified early on the fear and
the coercion that were occurring. Because at
this point, there wasn't a mandate. It was serious
pressure. Like, COVID is so bad, right? Grandma's
dying. Like, if you really care about your wingman,
you're going to mask, you're going to get your
shot. Now that they're voluntary, there's no
mandate. But, you know, just that guilt that
they put on you. If you care about each other,
this is what you'll do. So we're looking at like
January 2021, thereabouts? Through 2020, most
of this. And then the shots introduced, I think,
December 11th is when they first hit the market
of 2020. This was all happening before the shot
was introduced, right? Yes. So basically, making
it separate, make sure you mask. I mean, when
the shot comes out, do the right thing, like
preparing your mind for it. So where I worked,
I worked at both Washington State University
and University of Idaho. They're only separated
by seven miles, but they operated completely
different. Anybody who's familiar with Washington
and Idaho, Idaho is very much more a conservative
state, cares about freedoms. And so they didn't
shut the school down, whereas Washington State
University did shut down and it was all education
and training was completed via. online via Zoom
or Teams or what have you. And so even trying
to get my commander to ask for an exemption so
that the ROTC students, the cadets, we had about
100 in our cadet wing, could actually come together
and learn how to march. You know how difficult
it is to try to teach marching and facing movements
on Zoom? I know it sounds silly. And when you
look back and people are like, you're kidding
me. I'm not kidding. And unfortunately, you know,
we recorded some of those. We do have. And so,
again, it took I was a major at the time. And
I said, sir, you know, we did this for one semester.
We cannot do this for another semester. And so
I encouraged him to apply for an exemption, which
was granted. And so the ROTC students were able
to be in person the spring semester of. whatever
it was, 21. I'm going to put my tinfoil hat on
at the moment, which I love. You know, my husband
makes fun of it, but I think he's, he kind of
has one too. And he just, he tries. It's on him
as well. He doesn't embrace it as much as I do.
But, you know, this had to be passed down from
somewhere high, far, and it infiltrated. The
very DNA of our country, of our leaders, of our
government, of our medical community, everywhere.
Where do you think this came from? There is definitely
a spiritual aspect to all of this. But if you
look at it from a more worldly perspective, they've
written books about one world. order, new world
order, this globalist society to where there
are no sovereign borders. We're just all one
big blob, if you will. And if we of all countries
were to remove our borders and our sovereignty
and most importantly, our constitutional rights,
our God given rights protected by the Constitution,
the first way to make those borders disappear
is to weaken the military. And so. How do we
weaken the military? We get rid of those who
have a faith that's higher than a person that
has four stars on their shoulder. We get rid
of the critical thinkers that are saying this
doesn't make sense and the evidence doesn't show
that this mandate is is legit, lawful, safe,
effective, all of the things that we were hearing.
So to me, you know. If you lose the military,
you lose a country. And so if we had, and at
the time, an administration who didn't seem to
have America's best interest at heart. So, I
mean, I don't know President Biden. I don't know
what their mindset was as far as going full into
this new world order idea. But that does not
escape me. And it lines up. pretty well if we
were to be like every other country and become
part of the blob that these globalists want,
right? It's them and then it's the rest of us.
And we're the pawns. We're the ones who would
be enslaved forever. And I think that's a big
part of it. i think that's a good answer and
he also tried to i think there were some strange
laws that were signed where he wanted to give
the who power over if there's next pandemic so
there you know he was really pushing towards
removing that sovereignty and you know we our
constitution is what makes us who we are right
the right to bear arms right is another reason
why It's just not going to happen. So I feel
like, you know, one by one, it seems like they
were really trying to just tear that to shreds.
Why? I don't know. I don't understand it. Like,
if you represent America, why wouldn't you try
and keep it strong? Right. It's a million dollar
question. We have a school, by the way, and you
can imagine how impossible it is to teach three
-year -olds over Zoom. Right. Right. Well, not
much different, probably from, you know, brand
new college students and ROTC cadets. So but
yeah, they they try to make life as difficult
as possible so that when the vaccine, in my opinion,
was rolled out, it was like, oh, yeah, this will
get us to that level of freedom that we all wish
we had, you know, for the last year. And so people
were eager to roll up their sleeves and get the
shot. I wasn't. Rob wasn't. Obviously, you weren't.
But there were many, many who were. Then they
looked at us like, you guys are weird, right?
You're conspiracy theorists. It's just a shot.
You're in the military. You've taken all the
other shots. Why are you raising a fuss over,
well, that was post -mandate after. Yeah. It's
my understanding when you join the military,
you get pumped with vaccines right away. I actually
know somebody who has an adverse injury from
that experience. You're not opposed to that or
you weren't at the time and now you are. There's
regret. What do you stand on? There's definitely
regret on my part. I never in a million years
thought that the government or the country that
I signed up to serve and protect would do something
that would potentially harm me. I thought everything
was vetted. Everything was legit. So you go on
a deployment, you know, you get your anthrax
shot, your smallpox shot, flu shot. And again,
I didn't think anything of it. Thankfully, I
haven't had any adverse effects from vaccinations.
But that's a mentality that COVID really showed
us we need to change. that culture of oh you're
in the military roll up your sleeves you're just
a pin cushion absolutely not so we're also excited
for bobby kennedy to be the secretary of uh hhs
yeah so are we yeah it's the blind obedience
that they want and what i love about what you
both seem to have is the critical thinking brain
which is what we really want our country to have
you know as david mentioned we have a school
and the foundation is critical thinkers so we
were also in A similar battle, well, different
but similar. I mean, when the masks were mandated,
I was like, I can't do this to my kids. I can't
do this to my teachers who need to spend eight
hours a day standing up in front of a class.
Can you imagine standing up trying to teach these
little kids? That's hard enough. I wasn't going
to mandate it. But you went deep on the learning
and she brought in experts to really understand
the masks and the effectiveness. She brought
in OSHA experts and really doctors. And before
she made those kinds of very controversial decisions.
Bobby Kennedy spoke at our school in January
2021. We were way ahead of the curve. So, OK,
so tell us the mandate came around. You were
holding your ground. You were giving the advice
to your junior people. That, hey, you don't have
to do this. It's a choice. Did you persuade them
one way or the other or did you just let them
figure it out for themselves? In the beginning,
they were telling them to. So it was about rights
for us. It's about the law. And so, you know,
we get to the mandate and we've already been
trying to make sure that the people that we lead
understand. You know, their obligations to follow
lawful orders, their obligations to disobey and
resist unlawful orders. And we get to the mandate
and it doesn't take long for us to do some research
and find out in the first couple of weeks. They
don't have any of the fully authorized FDA products.
out on the shelves anywhere. By that point, we
had been networking. And this is part of how
Carolyn and I and hundreds of other service members
who were really leaning into this fight and leading
first met each other. We began networking. They
were trying to isolate us. And we broke through
that. And we developed an incredible network
across all the services, all the ranks. And we
had plans. We worked together. We got... service
members into every one of the military, or I
say everyone, every military treatment facility
that we could get people into and get access
to, to ask, hey, where is this FDA authorized
product that the order from Secretary Lloyd Austin
says that you have to have in order to mandate
it? So that order, yes, we can get into that
order. The legal portion of this is all based
on the label. What is on the label, whether they're
the same formula or not. If you don't have a
label that says fully FDA approved, the Comirnaty,
I'm sorry, it is not a fully approved vaccine.
And so therefore, we cannot fulfill this order
because... the fully FDA -approved vaccine did
not exist. Yeah, bait and switch. Is it safe
to say that what rubs both of you the wrong way
is more the constitutional rights or the body
autonomy? All of it. I mean, and even from a
common sense perspective, I was sharing earlier
that in the past, I had gotten waivers, exemptions
for other vaccines. If you show in your blood
positive titers, right, from previous vaccinations
or infection, you can get exempt. And I had COVID
naturally, I had the titers, and even my medical
exemption was denied. So everything that applied
to us before COVID did not apply to this particular
situation. And that was probably, you know, you
add that to denied religious accommodations.
Just the absence of common sense is what kind
of sparked my frustration. Yeah. Like, this doesn't
make sense. Can you read? Like, we're not making
this. This isn't our opinion. And to come out
with the shot that fast. Right. And to make the
most important group. So that's a really good
point. I talk about that in the book. There is
a Navy commander. He's since retired. He ran
for Congress in Texas. His name's Jay Furman.
He put out some research in an article where
he talked about. There's a better plan. He did
it about maybe a month before the mandate came
out. And he said, hey, we should only allow half
of the force to take the shot for readiness sake
because we don't know. There's a reason emergency
use authorized. products exist it's because you
throw out a lot of the safety requirements and
so you know we want to make sure that the force
stays healthy here's a great plan allow people
to voluntarily take it maybe up to half the force
and then you have a control group and another
group and that's how we make sure if something
bad happens that you still have a ready force
and they They went after him. They didn't like
that. And he ended up being on Tucker Carlson.
Tucker invited him on the show to talk about
this. Do you know where these shells were manufactured?
We were told France, I think. But we're trying
to do some... I don't think it's possible at
this point. The whistleblower report, we actually
had a service member reach out to Pfizer. We
got a recording of it and we discussed that.
We gave it to Congress and Senator Ron Johnson
actually turned around in a day and sent a request
to the DOD, says, hey, you know, service members
are reporting that. That Pfizer hasn't produced
the right thing, that there's label bait and
switch stuff going on. Like, let's get to the
bottom of this. And the DOD at the time, under
that leadership, did what they have been doing
throughout that administration. They ignored
Congress's request for information. Now, what
I find interesting, so you wrote an incredible
whistleblower letter. We can put these documents.
Could we put these documents on the links? Absolutely.
Alice, if you can put this document on the link
below, the memorandum for all members of Congress.
And I think it's fascinating that only one or
two Congress members read this document and didn't,
they didn't all jump up and say, stop this immediately.
And, you know, it's a sad situation in our country
right now because They are supposed to be here
for the people. Our service members are here
for the people. Yet everyone turned their back
on everyone. And the congressmen who, as we all
know, get very big checks from pharma. You know,
I'm hoping that over the next four years, there's
more laws that go into place that stop this because
we need to get back to where we were a long time
ago, which is for the people, we the people.
What do you think is really going on here? Is
it just the pursuit of profits by the big pharmaceutical
companies, or is it just group -controlled? As
a civilian, we're thinking that it's just profits
and getting people to comply with orders. What
was happening? I'd like to take that one, if
I may, just because I think I can hit it pretty
quick. But I think the issue is, and we've talked
about this in many of our strategy sessions with
other service members. If the military goes,
the rest of the country goes. That's the group,
the small, narrow group of the population that
the government thinks they have the most control
over. That's the group who have voluntarily suspended
the exercise of some of their rights. They never
lose their rights, but we suspend. For example,
we wear the same uniform. That's part of the
agreement when we sign on. We wear the uniform
of that service. We don't show up in our Van
Halen t -shirt or something at formation. We
suspend some of those First Amendment rights.
When we speak in an event like this, we need
to make sure we're following statutory law, Uniform
Code of Military Justice. However, if the government
gets away with violating Basic human rights and
bodily autonomy rights, Fourth Amendment rights,
Fifth Amendment rights to due process, your First
Amendment right to basic free speech and your
religious beliefs, then they'll be able to get
away with it for the rest of the population.
That is why I think it was so important for the
administration, the executive branch, to make
sure that the government fell in line. And had
the military follow these orders regardless of
their lawfulness or not. And so when we challenged
the lawfulness, as we identified a number of
laws that were broken that we can get into, and
we will name names. I certainly don't mind naming
names. The moment there was a constitutional
challenge, our admirals and generals should have
put an all -stop on this. They should have...
They should have challenged the executive branch
and said, hey, we have a constitutional question
here. We have a legal question under this order.
We need to stop it and study this and make sure
that we're doing this right. Instead, they leaned
in and they said, we don't care. They dismissed
thousands of challenges. thousands of challenges
that we wrote and submitted up our chain of command
to say that this is breaking the law, the way
you're implementing this mandate. Like we talked
about before, the original order from the Secretary
of Defense, that was lawful. The service secretaries,
at least the Navy service secretary, that was
a lawful order. The CNOs was a lawful order.
It gets down to Admiral Christopher Grady was
the first person that I was able to see who issued
an unlawful order disregarding the FDA approval.
authority of the product. And he said, basically,
the order was, you're going to take this anyway,
regardless of the emergency use of the product.
So that was the first unlawful order. That's
how I think we get at this thing in the future.
Because, you know, we're not going to sit there.
I don't think it's good for Secretary Hegseth
to just declare the entire thing unlawful, because
that's not true. It doesn't do justice to how
complicated this was. It was a lawful order originally,
but it was implemented. That was lawful was if
it was an FDA approved drug. Exactly. That's
the part that was lawful. The implementation,
and then at the three and the four star level,
that implementation is where it started to go
unlawful. And then the religious accommodation
processes were unlawful. And there was other
unlawful coercion that we can talk about. Because
even though, even if it was FDA approved, you're
still allowed your religious exemption. No matter
what. Right. Exactly. And the government then,
as the statutes declare, the government then
has to prove that the compelling government interest
outweighs the the religious rights of the individual.
And that never happened. The government just
said health. Because of health. And they're like,
no, that doesn't meet what is actually in the
statute. You have to prove beyond a reasonable
doubt that this outweighs. So the courts were
against your religious exemption, but then some
things changed and flipped. And you were actually
having some wins. So would you share, either
of you, both of you share what happened there?
Well, I know the Air Force injunction came only
because of the Navy injunction. And there is
a really important part that Rob is going to
share of why the Navy got a win to set the precedent.
Maybe somewhere between 75 and 90 percent of
the SEALs ended up getting. fake cards and basically
doing what the leadership needed so they could
check a box and say, okay, as people were vaccinated,
they truly weren't. Well, there were a few Navy
SEALs who had a deep level of integrity and said,
we're not going to lie. And those were the Navy
SEALs that stood up and many of them filed a
lawsuit. At one point, it was reported to me
that the judge told some of these lawyers, there's
nothing I can do. There's no real evidence here
that that the Navy's breaking the law and they
are claiming that they're going through all the
right processes in accordance with the statute.
And it had just been shortly before that, that
a whistleblower leaked a document to me. It was
called a standard operating procedure that they
had written out of the chief of naval personnel's
office. to deny all religious accommodations
that were requested in the Navy. And this document,
actually, there was one section of it that said,
hey, it's really important. to protect the admiral,
the chief of naval personnel, and in this case,
Admiral Waters, the leader of the section of
this team that dealt with religious accommodations.
It's really important that we make this well
-documented so that if we're ever audited or
if there's ever a lawsuit, that we can defend
it and say that what we were doing is lawful.
And what the religious accommodation... standard
operating procedure actually does is it tells
the staffer in that office when you get an accommodation
in One of the very first things you do is you
open the template denial and you put the name
of the requester in the top of the denial template
and then you route that for review. And then
once that template for denial is written, it
has the name, the right name at the top. You
route that for review for all the offices, including
the JAG office, by the way. And and then. So
only after that has all happened and it's ready
for the three -star admiral's final signature,
at that point, the staffer is then told to open
up the document of the actual religious accommodation
and then make sure you put into a spreadsheet
his reasons for doing the accommodation so that
if we ever have a lawsuit, if we're ever audited,
we can show that we opened the document. So that
got to court, and then within a couple days,
the very first injunction for the 35 Navy SEALs
and special operators. um came through the ruling
from the judge saying you can't kick these people
out and then it was shortly after that maybe
a month or two after that that they expanded
that case from just the 35 seals into entire
class -wide injunction that stopped the navy
from kicking out any navy service members and
then the air force followed suit shortly after
that so for the air force it was right around
9 700 who had submitted a religious combination
and they were all denied with the same the same
process right you literally just swap out the
name swap out the location but the meat of that
memo of that denial memo read the exact same
and it was all just hubbub it there was nothing
meaty to there was nothing tangible to their
denial there's no there's no reason for them
to deny our religious accommodation for health
of the force health of the force right just very
generic this the same words right good order
and discipline and like nothing that if you asked
explain to me how this will how this will play
out there are no examples because they were just
words that i'm sure they were told yeah that
their lawyers said this is how we can make this
thing look legal educated people with multiple
phds just blindly following she was standing
in line to get your third fourth fifth shot just
okay two masks while i'm jogging in the car like
like what happens right here's where that is
deeply concerning to us in the military The three
and the four star leaders that are supposed to
be making sure that we're defending our nation,
they took that mindset, too. We're going to blindly
follow this order, even though our subordinates
are reporting that this might be illegal and
this might be unconstitutional. They blindly
followed and dismissed. All legitimate claims,
both medical claims that it wasn't effective,
medical evidence that it wasn't safe, and legal
reasons to not take it and constitutional basis
for people to refuse. They ignored all of that.
And what you end up having are senior leaders
who you cannot trust to properly defend the nation.
If we have an actual war, these are not the critical
thinkers that I want telling us where to put
our assets, how to defend our nation. If they
are unable to critically think through this problem
and make the right decisions, I don't want them
leading us in war. And is the guy that overruled
this and did this unlawful order, is he still
there today? So I was able to identify the elements
for Article 94 under the UCMJ that's mutiny.
And there are three elements that are required
to charge somebody with mutiny. So what Admiral
Christopher Grady did apparently met each one
of those elements of the law required. to charge
somebody with mutiny. So I filed a complaint
up my chain of command against then Fleet Forces
Commander Admiral Christopher Grady for violation
of Article 94 mutiny. And, of course, that was
dismissed very quickly. I love Grady. I know.
I'm sorry. Career suicide. I love his head. Well,
they fired me shortly after that. But then they
dismissed that complaint. And three weeks later,
he was promoted to be the vice chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff under General Milley. And
he remains in that position to this day. Wow.
So they fired you? So they relieved me of my
duties shortly after that for refusing to take
emergency use products. And then so they sent
me home. Actually, they banned me from my building
first. I wasn't allowed to enter. And so my team,
I'm leading a 650 person unit. It was snowy.
It was snowy in Rhode Island. And and so I would
drive in and work out of my car. And it was unfortunate
for my team members. They'd have to come out
to me to do paperwork or business or whatever.
But that lasted a couple of weeks before they
finally said, hey, you know, you can't enter
the building. And so you're fired. OK, I mean,
it's your order that said I can't enter the building.
I'm being effective from my car. So the order
the order was go home and call in every day and
you're done. And at that point, I'm you know,
I think they were trying to find ways to involuntarily
separate me or court martial me or whatever.
And then it was only a few months later. that
we started winning in court, and then they couldn't
go through with firing me. So I was still making
a paycheck, luckily, because I have seven kids.
So how did it feel? Wait, you just passed that
one. He has seven kids. So I'll tell you how
it felt. It felt significantly risky. But for
a very brief period, I had a lot of fear about
what to do. I'm going to lose my job. I could
go to prison. Because they were challenging or
they were telling us, hey, you could be court
-martialed for a violation of a lawful order.
We told them it was not lawful. We showed them
how it was not lawful in the statutes. But they
were essentially saying we don't care and we
could file charges and take you to court -martial.
And it was for a commission of a serious offense.
If you put those two things together, it could
come with jail time. So my wife, Mary Claire,
and I had to make a tough decision. How far are
we willing to go for what's right? And it only
took an evening of talking through it. I said,
we're going to go all the way. We don't care.
And that was what gave me the courage to file
that mutiny complaint, to go all the way. Let's
give your wife some props. Oh, yes. You must
have an amazing wife. She's the real hero. So
I called my dad, and I told him, hey, here's
our plan. If I go to prison, Please take my wife
in and my kids in. I'll serve my time. I'll come
out. I'll swing hammers. I'll dig ditches, whatever
it takes. Put food on the table. But this is
our plan. And the moment I did that, talk about
how it felt. The moment I did that, I had such
peace. I had such joy. I never had so much fun
in my life fighting the government. And that's
the energy that helped bring it, total giving
it to God. And I was able to just have a blast.
And I've never had so much fun in my life fighting
back because I don't care about the outcome.
Seven kids. I love it. I'll be like, give me
the jab. No, I'm with you because I told him
the same thing. Like, honey, if I get arrested.
I just ask you to bail me out as fast as you
can. She's on the handcuff to the front door.
I said, no, I'm not doing it. You know, I'm not
mandating these shots. I'm not mandating these
masks. So I get it. We were shitting a brick,
pardon the expression, when it went all the way
to the Supreme Court. Any employer that has 100
or more employees. We were tracking that case.
That's right. Very close. Yes. And the only reason
why it was disallowed was because the vaccine
wasn't performing as effectively at that moment
as they thought it would. It had just been released.
More people were fighting, like you guys, like
us. This would have been over way soon. Yeah,
absolutely. This is why I tell people like, yeah,
it's risky at the moment. But if in your heart
and soul, you're doing the right thing, God is
going to come back in and you are going to be
fine, even though it feels really bad at the
moment. But I love I love that you do. Yeah,
I know. And so you met through this group that
you created. Was it a little WhatsApp group or
something like that? How did you... I don't even
remember what platform we were using. No. No
name. We're just a bunch of patriots trying to
do the right thing. Like, oh, did you hear about
this guy or that guy? So, you know, he talked
about filing charges of mutiny against this commander.
His documents were leaked. I say leaked. They
were... And internally share in our grief. Right.
So as I was going right on the other side of
the country, when others of us were fighting
this battle in our own, you know, individual
capacity, we were using each other's documents.
And what research did Rob do? What research did
I do? And like, hey, did you look at this or
did you look at that? And maybe if you include
this, it'll help your cause. And I remember seeing
Rob's using, seeing and using mostly, mostly
Rob's. Because he's so thorough and he references
every, you know, whether it's an article in the
Constitution, a law, a DOD policy. And so eventually
we met, but it was all virtual for at least a
year and a half or so. You have to tell the story
of the first time we met at Mark Bashaw's court
-martial, the only court -martial that we knew
of at the time for a service member not taking
an emergency use product. a friend, Mark Bashaw.
Again, I was in Idaho and there was a lot of
activity happening on the East Coast. And I heard
that there was a prior enlisted Air Force member
who had cross -serviced into the Army. He was
a first lieutenant. So in officer rank, that's
very low ranking. So first lieutenant. But when
you look at this 15 plus years of experience
he had as enlisted, he was actually a well -trained
and knowledgeable serviceman. And he refused
the testing. And the masking. As was his right
under the law. Right. Because even the masks,
if you look at the box that the masks, it says
EUA, right? And that federal statute doesn't
say just EUA vaccines. It says EUA products.
That includes the masks. That includes the test.
And so he had every right. He was also a public
health affairs. officer, like a medical officer,
not a doctor seeing patients, but he had all
of this data. He had filed protective communication
up his chain of command, warning them of all
the adverse events that he was seeing with this
data, and they ignored it. And so he unfortunately
was court -martialed. I was, again, in Idaho,
and I'm like, I don't know if he has any friends
or family on the East Coast. So there was just
something stirring in my soul. I'm like, I have
to fly out there and support him. A lot of us
descended upon that town in Maryland to be there
at the court -martial. That's the first place
most of us met. There were about 15 of us, I
think, in total. All there to protect this guy.
Maybe 20. Could have been more. We have pictures,
so we'll have to find them. And so that was when
I, so Rob showed up in his uniform and he wasn't
wearing a name tag, but I was introduced to him.
And our other friend JJ said, this is Rob Green.
And I'm like, wait, what? This is Rob Green.
And literally starstruck. Like this, these are
my heroes. Rob is my hero. JJ is my hero. Liv
is my hero. Yeah. We had a really tight network
of people helping lead this and share with our
junior people how to fight back against unlawfulness
in the military, how to use law to protect your
rights and make sure that our leaders are held
accountable to do the right thing. We swore an
oath to do it. You had quite the battle, too.
So I was, again, an ROTC instructor in the Pacific
Northwest. And about 18 years in, I tried again
for a medical exemption denied for I even tried
to get on a clinical trial. Right. Because surely
they're going to need the unvaccinated. and that
was denied as well and so the order came down
to get the shot or apply for separation and i
said well i'm going to submit that a religious
accommodation knowing that it was going to be
denied but again that was just going to give
me additional time to figure out what i'm going
to do as a civilian if i did get kicked out and
so So again, my religious accommodation was denied.
I appealed it. The appeal was denied. And I had
many friends and mentors saying, Carolyn, you're
at 18 years in. Like, if you get kicked out,
that's your retirement. It's gone. I said, do
you not understand that none of us are going
to have a retirement? if this type of behavior
continues if they're willing and able to invade
my body they're going to have no problem invading
my bank account to take my retirement so and
money is not what drives me doing the right thing
is what drives me and so um again i was prepared
to get kicked out and thankfully there was a
judge mcfarland from ohio that granted an injunction
in the summer of 2022 that basically said okay
air force you need to stop giving letters of
reprimand, administratively separating service
members. And that is what basically saved my
career and the only reason why I'm still serving
today. Were you culturally ostracized? By your
peers or anything like that happen? So in an
ROTC unit for the instructors, there were only
six or seven of us. I did have a coworker who
was on my side. So we had each other. But there
were cadets, right? The hundred cadets that we
were leading to do the right thing. And there
were some of them who, again, looked at us like,
you guys are just like weird. Like, just get
the shot. Even my commander just, he didn't understand
why we were willing to potentially throw our
18 years away. so i didn't feel it as much as
maybe a bigger a bigger unit just because we
were so small and again in idaho i mean everybody
were in my community they were of the same mindset
so it was somewhat easy for me but i have family
members and friends who just they didn't understand
my my train of thought and um you know unfortunately
that put a strain on those relationships so you
had some family or family members that stopped
talking to you because of your stance i would
say not completely but paused significantly yeah
and i will also say we talked about fitness earlier
you know come back come from a pretty competitive
fitness background i mean i'm not winning any
world champions or anything like that championships
but used to do ironman triathlons and love to
lift didn't hike in camp and when this happened
all of that stopped because every free minute
i had was reading documents that Rob was pushing,
reading FDA documents, reading CDC documents.
And yeah, it didn't hit me how much it affected
my physical well -being until things started
happening in our favor. And I'm like, oh, yeah,
that's what it's like to work out five days a
week, you know? Yeah. Now, can you guys, either
of you share any stories of your juniors, things
that hit them really hard? I mean, They obviously,
you know, they didn't have necessarily your strength
or bravery. I think many of them had a lot more
strength and bravery than some of us. In many
ways, we had rank behind us. And, you know, me
personally, I decided to go on the offense. I
was aggressive, and I went after admirals for
breaking the law. And so, you know, they put
me on the back burner. And they didn't come after
me as hard because I was a problem to deal with
later. And they went after junior people. I'm
going to tell a story about Danny, Navy SEAL.
And this is very emotional. And it's unbelievably
tragic. But this, I hope for your audience to
understand from this story, this was happening
all over the place, everywhere. They would isolate
service members who did not go along. In this
particular case. Danny, Navy SEAL, had just come
back from a deployment. He was a very young SEAL.
He had come back and said, hey, I'm done. His
experience over there, he did not have a good
experience during his deployment. And he told
his leadership, I want to get out of the military.
Well, then the mandate dropped right before he
was able to get out. And he's like, well, I'm
already getting out. I'm not going to take this
shot either. And so he got isolated with. A bunch
of the other Navy SEALs who stood up and said,
we're not going to go along with this. Many of
them for their religious beliefs. Many of them
because they had common sense and integrity not
to get a fake shot or to get a fake card. And
so they would isolate these individuals. They
denied them training opportunities. They locked
them out of their building, took their badges.
They would still make them do basic administrative
requirements, like every once in a while you
come in, you take a urinalysis test, make sure
there's no drugs or performance -enhancing mineral
products in your body. They would have to wait
outside their building and be escorted around
like they were some foreign visitor. These are
absolute heroes, the bloody, pointy edge of the
spear for us. We spent millions of dollars making
their bodies and minds some of the best weapon
systems that we have. And they're treating these
people like they're criminals for exercising
what is an absolute right for them constitutionally
and what is a right under statutory law for them
to exercise. Danny the Navy SEAL and many of
these other individuals in this particular group
was Team 4, and they were isolated and put aside.
They were given menial labor to do, like they
were given yard work and raking leaves and things
like that, right? Well, I got a call. This was
in September, I believe it was September of 2022,
and I got a call from a Master Chief Navy SEAL
that I had gotten close to over the course of
fighting the mandate. He said, hey, I really
need you to talk to a couple of my team guys.
And so a couple of the more junior SEALs got
on a call with me, and one of them was the LPO
to Danny, the leading petty officer. He said,
hey, I want to let you know that Danny committed
suicide. And, you know, they were telling me
the story of how tragic this was and how he didn't
have anybody. The leadership ignored them and
didn't let them exercise their training, didn't
let them exercise their bodies, didn't let them
exercise their minds. And in the course of the
isolation, it ended up being too much for Danny.
And it was reported to me that the very last
duty that Danny performed for his country was
doing the yard work. Outside the building, he
was no longer allowed to enter. There needs to
be accountability for that from the senior leaders
of our military who have done this to service
members like Danny. And his case was not an isolated
incident? I'll tell you this. There were 1 ,460
suicides during the course of the three -year
mandate. We're going to get to the bottom of
this data. But during that same period, they
alleged that there were 96 deaths due to the
COVID infection. 96. Yet they isolated people,
they separated them, they abused them, they coerced
them. And there were 1 ,460 suicides during that
same time period. You tell me, which is the greater
pandemic? At the top of the show, he said that
Secretary Haystaff's orders doesn't go quite
far enough. Where is it lacking? When do we need
to see? So again, based on President Trump's
executive order, There is a process now for those
who were kicked out, 8 ,600, 8 ,700 service members,
to apply to come back in. That's problem number
one. The DOD caused this issue. We should not
put the onus on those service members that suffered
from the DOD's decision to now apply to come
back in. It's a step in the right direction.
Don't get me wrong. We're glad that they acknowledged
that they were wrongfully discharged and offering
an opportunity to come back. Those were considered
involuntary service members. They kicked out
without a choice. Unfortunately, there were many
who left service voluntarily, but in reality,
it wasn't on a volunteer basis. When a service
member is told, you either apply for separation
on your own, and if you don't, you will be discharged
dishonorably. You will suffer. you know letters
of reprimand you might even go to a court -martial
that is not that is coercion and that is a threat
and so we have many many who have suffered in
that capacity and then folks like rob and i who
you know we missed out on training opportunities
on job opportunities some many missed promotions
our records it didn't matter if you were like
the number one on track to be an admiral or general
all of our records most of us i shouldn't say
all most of our records then reflected because
we're standing up for what's right and the law
it reflected in our annual performance report
so you could have been number one of this number
one of that and now all of a sudden you don't
get any stratification and so everybody in the
military knows it's your paperwork that gets
you promoted and if you don't have strong paperwork
showing what a outstanding person you are the
chances of you getting promoted are nil so that
in and of itself has ruined careers people who
plan to stay in for 20 or 25 30 years might not
have that opportunity now because of the paperwork
that was a result of them standing up for for
the right thing how how many people were how
many how many servicemen quit but It wasn't voluntary,
but on paper, it looks voluntary. What's the
number, do you guess? I mean, I don't think there
is an exact number. I don't think we're going
to find that until we dig deeper. We can guesstimate
there were about 95 ,000 who were affected in
some capacity. Dwarfs the number that were involuntary.
Right. So, and again, grateful for Pete Hegsack,
the Secretary of Defense, to... move forward
with this offer to reinstate those $8 ,700, people
are not going to come back just for the money.
We almost got kicked out because of something
bigger than profit. It's called integrity. It's
called standing up for your constitutional right.
And so, yeah, we're going to need that level
of seriousness if we're really wanting to get
the true patriots to come back in. It's about
rebuilding trust. Do you think there's a possibility
where the 90 ,000 people can be, you know, they
can be evaluated to figure out how can we give
them an opportunity to come back? I hear they
might not want to come back because for me, it
would be a major trust issue. Like, are you kidding
me? Like, you defy everything that we represent.
I never want to be back in this group. It's almost
like coming out of the Matrix, right? They thought
and believed their country had their backs. But
then they turned their backs on them for an illegal
mandate and didn't care about the laws. Yet everything
in your bones are about the laws, the Constitution.
That's why you're here. You know, this is why
we have our service mandate. How could the government...
Earn the trust back from other people to want
to even come back. You know, have any of you
put any thought into that? We have. So we have
helped as a group. We've drafted some, you know,
what originally we had hoped to be an executive
order, which we may recraft into a guidance for
the secretary of defense or the undersecretary
of defense for personnel and readiness to put
out. But the idea from our perspective is we
stand up a commission that has authority over
the Bureau for the Correction of Military Records
and the Bureau for the Correction of Naval Records
that can direct all of the actions. We don't
make service members go hat in hand to the institution
that betrayed them to request things. We go top
down and we direct the corrections. and then
make the offers. And then they can accept it
or choose not to. Start with an apology letter.
Oh, yes. That is huge. Start with inviting them
to Shindig with you, a couple of them together,
announcing, again, a formal apology and how much
we would love to have you back. And we were so
sorry for all of these things that may be even
terminating the admiral who did this. Yeah. So,
I mean, it's not just one admiral. There are
admirals and generals throughout the force that
made these decisions. And I wrote a document
or I wrote an article with a vice admiral, Dean
Lee, incredible leader. He got out several years
before this, but he's been a great mentor of
mine. And he and I wrote an article together.
Is it the Constitution or the institution? And
we lay out how over the last few decades. Our
leaders have put the institution first. If there's
ever a conflict, they circle the wagons to protect
the institution and they do not protect constitutional
rights. And so with that habit in place over
the last several decades, we need accountability.
We need a few. It doesn't need to be every one
of them because that would be a lot of the force.
But it needs to be a few of the three and the
four star level leaders, a few of the SCS leaders
who... broke the law to be held accountable in
some level. Maybe people don't need to go to
prison, but we need to do grade determinations
on some of these leaders. That means let's find
out the last rank at which they served honorably,
and their retirement check needs to be reduced
to that level. Though there are things that we
can do to make sure that an example is set so
it's a constitutional deterrence in the future.
I imagine your fight continues still. Tell us
about the book. What was the inspiration for
the book? When did you start writing this? Yeah,
thank you for that question. So I have been writing
furiously since about September, October of 2021.
It was my weapon of choice in going and fighting
my own leaders for our constitutional rights.
And I realized at some point, especially as they
The messaging within Congress was, hey, we're
going to do everything we can to repeal this
mandate. I realized they're going to probably
repeal this thing and then try to pretend nothing
ever happened. I said, absolutely not. And so
the book. was birthed out of the idea that we
have to document this for posterity's sake so
that we do not lose these stories. And I try
to tell as little of my personal story in the
book as possible. And I tell the stories of Danny.
I tell the stories of the service members who
were harmed in different ways. I give the legal
analysis required to understand the law. And
I start with the founding fathers. Every opening
to each... Each chapter of the book is a founding
father who dealt with a similar situation. And
I try to tie in that quote from that founding
father into that particular part of the book
in that chapter. And so the idea was making sure
that we never forget this. We tell all these
stories and then we make sure we name the names
because truth. matters here and we're not going
to have accountability if we don't speak the
truth boldly. Also got to give a massive shout
out to Skyhorse, to CHD, Skyhorse Publishing
for being behind the book. Tony Lyons and team
did a great job. Mary Holland was huge in helping
make this happen. So to all those who helped
make the book happen, just a massive thank you.
We blasted through a lot of censorship, and it's
been something that service members have found
really motivating. I've had some people contact
me and say, hey, I got PTSD again, going through
these stories, reliving this experience. But
it's what the American people need to understand
what's happened to so many of us. So to Skyhorse
Publishing, Tony Lyons, Mary Hahn, and the whole
team. Thank you very much. You can get it on
Amazon and Barnes & Noble. It's also on Audible.
So if you have time or you're trying to multitask
and listen to a book. John Pruden did a great
job reading it. It wasn't me. And that was a
great Rob's book. basically what drove the Children's
Health Defense to create a military chapter,
knowing that so many military members were suffering
from the vaccine mandate, whether they were harmed
after having been injected in their bodies or
they were harmed professionally. Moral injury
is probably our biggest concern right now. But
we also know that there are harms such as the
Red Hill fuel disaster that happened in Hawaii.
I don't know if you're tracking that. Unfortunately,
it's another Navy incident where fuel was leaked
into the water supply of those who lived on and
near the Navy base out in Hawaii. And so we've
got mold in dorms and houses like these are all
toxic exposures that are affecting physically
affecting our service members. We are poisoning.
We are harming our service members. And so. Children's
Health Defense in October 2023, we created a
military chapter. We had our first conference
in August of 2023. And now we're in the process
of creating a documentary to showcase many of
the stories that Rob talks about in his book.
And Rob has agreed to be part of that documentary.
So we are excited. We meet the board the end
of this month to see if they will agree to move
forward with this documentary. We think they
will because Mary Holland, that's how we connected.
She actually attended our conference back in
August last year. and she loved it. And so we're
pretty confident that the documentary will get
a thumbs up. And so then the next step is, you
know, obviously the fundraising and all that
good stuff. But we are excited because like a
book, we also think a documentary is going to
be pretty powerful to share the story. We love
CHD. Yeah. Good. Good. And they did great work.
Yeah. They do. And it's important to have that
voice and to be able to share with others everything.
Tell us real fast a few minutes about your open
letter to the American people. Maybe Alex, you
can also put this as a link below. Will you share
a little bit of that? Signatures on the back.
So that's only page one of several pages. There's
231 and we use that number. quite regularly,
231 wet signatures of either current service
members or former service members who signed
on to, again, Rob's brilliant words on paper.
It reads very much like the Declaration of Independence,
but it talks about how we're going to hold the
military accountable. So, Rob, it's your read.
Yeah. So, like the book. So, we talked about
the book. They ignored the book. I was expecting
like when I filed the mutiny complaint and I
was like scared that I was going to get, you
know, federal agents at the door. And then, you
know, I filed the whistleblower report after
that and was expecting some response from my
leaders. The book, I was expecting some response
from them. You know, we we mailed books to like
like almost every three and four star admiral
in general. It felt like, please read this. This
is important for you to understand. Completely
ignored. And so this document you're talking
about is the Declaration of Military Accountability.
The idea sprung up because we had been ignored
and no one was paying attention to this. And
we realized, you know, the cases were being thrown
out in court. Congress. Only a couple individuals
in Congress paid any attention to the military
issues with the mandate, and the executive branch
was the one causing these problems, right? So
our three branches of government are not responding.
Who else can we go to? Well, the ultimate authority
over all those branches is we the people. So
this is an open letter to the we the people.
We're not, as the 231 and then the now almost
40 ,000 people who have signed a petition. supporting
this, it's not requesting anybody else make sure
accountability happens. It's a pledge that we
have taken ourselves that... No matter what happens,
we are going to pledge to hold our own leaders
accountable. We're going to get members of our
networks into positions in Congress. If we ever
have the lawful authority to do so in the executive
branch at the secretary of defense level or the
service secretaries, we're going to recall for
court marshals, if we're able, some of these
retired leaders to bring them back on to do full
investigations and then hold them accountable.
You know, if the investigations determined that
they have broken the law, which all evidence
indicates that they have, as we have demonstrated.
And so the idea is that we're going to do this
ourselves. We're part of we the people. We don't
like like George Washington said, you when you
when you take up the the arms as as a soldier,
you don't lay down the citizen. And that's what
we're here to do. We are still citizens of the
United States. We are still members of we the
people. And we're going to stand for our rights
and make sure that our government serves us and
not the other way around. Did you ever think
that you'd become a massive activist? No, I know.
We joke, I'm like, every day it's like, are we
getting punked? Like, when are the cameras going
to come out? This is not real. Never in a million
years. Never. And by activists, like we're just
asking for truth and law and order to return
to our beloved Department of Defense. Like we're
not asking for anything over the top, right?
Just get it back to the basics. I mean, my personal
opinion is I think you were chosen. I look at
everybody that really stood up and fought back
and they were chosen. And it's like God knew
who to tap on the shoulder. And when you heard
that voice, you knew that you couldn't do anything
else. And I could feel that in both your souls.
You knew there was no other choice. Even though
it meant potentially being fired, potentially
being court -martialed, potentially being in
handcuffs, your soul knew the direction you needed
to go in. you know once you get your children's
health defense you know i don't know if you're
gonna have a website or what you're gonna have
up make sure you send us the link as well so
we can post it and share it and help you guys
raise some money yeah thank you i i really think
it's incredible what you've done and i really
really hope and pray that anybody watching this
reading your book watching your future documentary
says wait a minute Next time something like this
comes around, let's all just come together as
one. Whenever somebody is canceled, they don't
just take their foot off the pedal to you. And
I presume you still have some sort of examination
going on. Is there anything that's happening
right now that you feel like your cancellation
journey has not completely ended quite yet? So
for me, I mean, I know that this happens to so
many service members. The bad side of your leaders,
they keep that microscope on you. And so I have
gotten information. This is not even COVID related,
but I've been given information from whistleblowers
who have been harmed in other ways, criminal
actions taken against them. And in this case,
it was allegedly committed by some very senior.
Flag officers, I mean, that means admirals, flag
officer, judge, advocate general, so lawyers
in the Navy. And so I helped get this information
to our senior leaders. We've verified some of
this information was not frivolous. We've got
audio recordings. These were crimes committed
against service members and against alleged crimes
committed against the government. Some of it
corruption related. And so it's very serious
stuff. It's not COVID related. And so but because
of how public we have been, whistleblowers are
starting to come out of the woodwork and seeing
this and saying, hey, we want to take our government
back. Help us get this information out. Some
of them want to be anonymous. They want to be
protected. And so. In this particular case, after
vetting the information that it is real, there
is physical evidence that this happened. There's
audio recordings. I made sure to get this to
senior leaders in the Navy, made sure to get
it to the FBI. There has been NCIS investigations
opened. And people don't like this kind of thing.
And so they keep the microscope on you. And I
was informed by an insider that there was a prosecution
review done on me. I might have been just a week
or two ago to try to see if they could get anything
on me and prosecute me for something. And so
this is for helping a whistleblower. who had
crimes committed against them, that NCIS is treating
as a victim. And so it goes to show you that
the people who put the institution first, they're
going to continue to do that until we have accountability
for these things. And so I offer that it's not
even... COVID related, but I offer that for your
audience to know that if you stand up and if
you go public and you stand for the truth, other
people will follow. Other people will get courage
and they will join us in the fight and we'll
have more people winning our nation back. Yeah.
I love that. Yeah. Courage is contagious. I have
hope that we are winning our nation back one
day at a time. What about you, Chandler? Are
you going through anything? I will say not at
the magnitude Rob is. As I mentioned, Rob is
leading the effort on all of our activities,
fighting corruption within the DOD. Thankfully,
I have not been under the microscope. I will
also say I don't have as big of a platform on
social media. But things have not been good to
the point where I have decided to retire this
year. now granted we have a new administration
right i submitted my retirement i july of 2024,
not knowing that President Trump was going to
win, not knowing that Pete Hegseth was going
to be our Secretary of Defense. And so now I'm
actually excited. We talked earlier when we opened
up the show how great it is that we have a true
patriot as our Secretary of Defense. And so if
there is an opportunity to continue serving,
to retract my retirement, stay in uniform, to
lead, right, be a leader of honor and integrity
and courage, I would be honored to do that. But
if that opportunity does not exist. I personally
cannot continue in the Air Force anymore. It's
unrecognizable from when I joined over 20 years
ago. I'll tell you where we need her serving.
She's with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations.
We need her somewhere in the Inspector General's
apparatus. We need her leading the Department
of Defense and getting to the bottom of this.
She's the expert we need doing that. So if we're
unable to get her back on the fast track towards
flag, then we need her leading at the highest
levels. But we have faith. I mean, none of us
predicted today was going to happen four years
ago. So not knowing that we actually would have
an opportunity to right some of these wrongs,
it didn't stop us from fighting. So with or without
an offer, we're not going to stop fighting. That's
the bottom line. Keep fighting. Keep fighting.
This was truly a silent war. It's a spiritual
war that's happening. 100%. Do you think that
there's a way to, you know, you said everything
was about the records and the papers and your
papers are not what they were. Is there a way
for that to be cleaned up? Is there a way for
you to be put back to where as if like... Let's
go rewind. This is who you are. You dedicated
your life, 21 years, 20 years. Like, is there
a plan? That is part of. To clean this up so
you can get back to where you were and continue
servicing our country. So that goes back to the
proposed. We drafted it like an executive order
because. We did take into consideration all of
these nuances that happened. And so we have a
game plan on what that would look like, special
boards for folks who didn't get promoted solely
because they refused to take the COVID shot.
And it's going to take logistical planning to
make that happen. But we have many smart people
who know how to make it become a thing. And so
we're just waiting for our message to get out
there and connections to be made so that we can
share our ideas with top leadership. Recently,
you were at Mar -a -Lago. If maybe you could
share with us what happened, what was the experience,
what was the purpose? Yeah. So it was hosted
by America's Future. It's an organization that's
been around for several decades, maybe even longer.
And they wanted to highlight folks who demonstrated
American exceptionalism. And so they had famous
people like Mike Tyson, Russell Brandt. And during
the planning for this event, one of our friends
who's on the board. suggested, we need to highlight
and recognize the veterans, whether still serving
or past served. And everybody thought that was
a great idea. And so they put their heads together
and they figured out who from each branch was
going to get the journalism award. And so that
is how Rob and I were represented or nominated
for this special occasion. There were five of
us that were honored as service members. Matt
Lohmeyer, me, Carolyn, Stu Scheller, and Teresa
Long. So one of us from each service. It was
a great honor. It was incredible being there.
I think we were pretty blown away. First time
I've ever been. We don't do events like that.
But to see the hope, to see the change that's
coming, to see the patriots that were there.
It gave us a lot of hope for the future. That's
amazing. Well, congratulations. Thank you. I
think anybody who's gone through a cancellation
journey, that's the purpose of the show, to get
the story out, has been selected in some way
for the leveling up of your soul or a closer
connection with the divine or for whatever reason
that's beyond our comprehension. God. Yeah. And
I'm not surprised by the stance that you took
because you're in the military and you are taught
integrity and authenticity and standing up for
what you believe in. And I'm really grateful
that you came on the show and shared your story.
And you're a great role model for your families.
And you should be very proud of yourself. And
on behalf of the American people, we the people,
we really appreciate you. Thank you so much.