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They put me through two and a half years of hell.

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I mean, my wife and I lost everything we owned.

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Our home, our savings, our insurance, my car,

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my electric guitar. That really killed me. I

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had to sell everything I had to pay for lawyers.

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And I was also gagged unconstitutional. So I

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couldn't come out of a program like this. I couldn't

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even defend myself. It was a very dark period.

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for today's guest the irrepressible indefatigable

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roger stone um i think that a lot of people don't

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know they know the name but they don't know his

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contribution to society where we how we are today

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and He's actually a very important person, I

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believe, in the history of certainly Americana.

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And he's the author of this bestseller book,

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Stone's Rules, How to Win at Politics, Business,

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and Style, which arguably should be required

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reading for all MBA students as they emerge into

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society. But Roger Stone, it's amazing to see

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you again. Thank you for joining us. I'll start

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off. You're a bit of a savant, a political savant

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in a way, I think. When you were a little kid,

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you were super into politics, and that doesn't

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happen very often. Share with us a little bit

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about where you come from, your upbringing, why

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you got into politics in the first place, and

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then let's dig into all the highs and lows of

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your journey to where you are today. Sure. First

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of all, thank you for having me, and congratulations

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on the launch of your new show. It's very exciting.

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David, Layla, great to be with you. I grew up

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in a very rural area in Connecticut. There were

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no kids my age for about 25 miles, which means

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you never developed any aptitude for things like

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football or baseball or basketball or any kind

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of team sports. So you kind of have to learn

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how to do things that you can do by yourself.

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I became a long -distance runner. Ultimately

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became a weightlifter because those are activities

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you can do by yourself. But I also became a very

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voracious reader. And I really liked history

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and biography. And at that point in my life,

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I wanted to be an actor. That was my aspiration.

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My parents thought I would starve to death. They

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wanted me to become an electrician or a plumber

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or a drywall man or some trade. My parents went

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to high school, but they didn't go to college.

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They were not at all political. My mother was

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a very devout Catholic. And, you know, we certainly

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were brought up pretty strictly. But the woman

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who lived next door to us, the closest house,

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was very active in the Women's Republican Club.

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And she gave me a book by Barry Goldwater. entitled

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Conscience of a Conservative. And I devoured

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this book and I immediately understood that I

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was a conservative, meaning I was for maximum

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personal freedom. I wanted small, inobtrusive

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government out of my private life, out of my

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business life, what would become my business

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life. I wanted a strong national defense. But

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I didn't think the country should go around the

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world looking for trouble, looking for wars to

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get in. I wanted low taxation. And above all,

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I became a very fierce anti -communist because

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I'm half Hungarian and half Italian. I say I'm

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Italian from the waist down. How old were you

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then at this time? I was probably... Well, I

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was 12 years old when I went to the Republican

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National Convention in San Francisco because

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the lady next door was an alternate delegate.

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And she was driving all the way across the country

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to San Francisco. And I persuaded my parents

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to let me go with her, not only so she didn't

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have to drive alone, but also because I was a

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Goldwater fanatic. I wanted to go to the convention.

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I drove all the way across the convention to

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the Cow Palace. I watched the nomination of Barry

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Goldwater. She arranged to get me a gallery pass.

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So I was in the stands. It was a very famous

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convention because the party was very split.

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And Goldwater triumphed. And you're 12 years

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old. What do you know? I thought Goldwater would

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win. I had no idea that he was about to get crushed.

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When I returned home, I started studying the

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1960 election, the election between John Kennedy

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and Richard Nixon. And I concluded just based

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on my reading that Nixon had been robbed. I thought

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that he actually won that election. So I wrote

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him a letter. He was practicing law in New York

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City, kind of in exile. And I wrote him a letter

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saying that. I thought that he had had the election

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stolen from him and that he should run again.

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And if he did run again, I wanted in. Now, he

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didn't know at that point, I guess I was about

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16 years old. He didn't know that I was just

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a kid. He thought, I guess, that I was an adult.

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So I got a nice letter back. I still have it.

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She said, yeah, I think I'm finished with politics.

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course he wasn't and he knew he wasn't uh but

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if we if i do decide to to uh run again i'll

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be in touch and then two years later i was about

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uh i guess i i was probably about 17 then actually

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um these are the days when the phone was on the

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wall in your house you know my mother came in

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and said uh there's a man named john whitaker

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on the phone for you he says he works for vice

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president nixon he'd like to speak to you of

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course i was very excited and he said we have

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your letter on file are you still interested

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in working the campaign i said yes he said well

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could you come into new york city for an interview

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i lived in suburban connecticut so i took the

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train into new york city i polished my shoes

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i wore my sunday best boy they were really surprised

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when i walked in because they were expecting

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somebody much older anyway I talked them into

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giving me a job essentially as a gopher, as in,

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hey, kid, go get coffee. Hey, kid, go take this

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package to Governor Dewey's law office across

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town. Hey, kid, go to Grand Central Station and

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meet Senator Dirksen and bring him back to the

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office. So and these are the days before the

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cell phone, of course. So I'm sitting outside

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the office of John Mitchell, who would later

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become attorney general. Nixon's campaign manager,

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who would, I think, wrongly go to prison in Watergate.

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I saw all of these celebrities of the day, Billy

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Graham and Nelson Rockefeller, Everett Dirksen,

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Barry Goldwater, my hero, Ronald Reagan, all

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of the giants of the party. It was very heady

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stuff for a kid. I went to the 1968 convention

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to work for John Mitchell. essentially in the

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same position, just like an assistant. And I

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ultimately went to college, George Washington

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University in Washington, D .C. But after my

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first year, I had an opportunity to either work

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in the president's reelection campaign, 1972,

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or to continue studying political science in

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a classroom. And I decided to kind of go for

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the real thing, as opposed to reading about it,

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and went to work for the president's reelection

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campaign. The relationships that I made there,

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since Nixon and Reagan were both from the same

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Southern California milieu, I parlayed into a

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job in Ronald Reagan's 1976 campaign when we

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challenged Gerald Ford for the nomination. We

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lost very narrowly. After that, I went on to

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found the National Conservative Political Action

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Committee, the first kind of national political

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action committee. We pioneered what today they

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call negative advertising, which I still call

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comparative advertising. Came back and reprised

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that role in 1980, handling the Northeastern

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states for Ronald Reagan's campaign. And that's

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where I met Donald Trump. He was referred to

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me by... the lawyer Roy Cohn, who had represented

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Trump. And I pitched him on joining Reagan's

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campaign finance committee, which he and his

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father both did in 1980. We became very good

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friends after Reagan was elected. Since I was

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interested in politics, not government, you really

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want to go into government. I opened my own political

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consulting firm, my own public affairs firm.

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My very first client was, well, Donald Trump.

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We became very good friends. By 1988, it occurred

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to me that Trump himself could be not just a

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great presidential candidate, but potentially

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a very great president. You knew in 1988 there

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was a possibility that he could be president.

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Yeah, we actually made a trip to New Hampshire

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just to kind of test the thesis. The first time

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I saw the Trump electricity, the first time I

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saw him in a political context, more people showed

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up to see his helicopter land than showed up

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to see Vice President George Bush the month previously.

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So I arranged for him to speak to a chamber of

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commerce, and it was electric. You know what

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he talked about? How come our NATO allies don't

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pay their fair share for their protection? How

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come we've let our military strength atrophy

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and we don't win anything anymore? Why are we

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signing these funky trade deals that are great

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for our trading partners but costing us jobs?

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This was all the way back in 1988. So he's been

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amazingly consistent. He's always been a common

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sense guy then. I think so. And the irony, of

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course, is that I tried to get again in 2000

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to get him to run for president. And the time

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was just not right. I mean, he thought about

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it. He was very good friends with Ross Perot,

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the billionaire who had run as an independent.

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He was very good friends with Jesse Ventura,

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the former wrestler who had gotten himself elected

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governor of Minnesota. And they both wanted him

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to run. he correctly saw two things. One, that

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you had to either be a Republican or a Democrat

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to get elected in America. I still think that's

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true. And two, that the time was not yet right.

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Remember, all of our presidents have either been

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generals or governors or senators or congressmen.

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Donald Trump's the first business person to be

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president. What year was it? When he ran for

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the Reform Party, that was kind of part of your

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strategic plan. That was 2000. Now, if he heard

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us say this, he would point out, I never ran.

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And it's true. He never ran. We came right up

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to the edge of it. Then he decided not to run.

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He announced he would not be a candidate. And

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then, interestingly enough, it was too late to

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get his name off the ballot. He won the Reform

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Party primaries. in both California and Michigan,

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despite the fact that he had waged no campaign

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and that he had withdrawn almost a month beforehand.

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So anyway, I never gave up on this. I tried yet

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again to get him to run in 2012. He came this

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close. People kept saying, oh, this is just a

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publicity stunt. It wasn't a publicity stunt.

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He was always serious about his love of the country

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and his, and he hated seeing what was happening

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to the country. And then by 2016, you know, the

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times and the man came together. We talked about

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it. Interestingly enough, he endorsed Mitt Romney

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in 2012. But he regretted that. He realized it

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was a mistake. He had, he really had seller's

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remorse. And I called him on New Year's day.

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It would have been New Year's Day 2013, as I

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call him every New Year's Day since I've known

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him, which is now almost 50 years. And he said

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to me, you know, I should have run. I could have

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beaten Obama. I made a big mistake. I should

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have run. I'm going to run next time. 2016 is

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my year. I said, well, sir, with all due respect,

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I've heard that before. He said, no, I've actually.

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already applied to the Patent and Trademark Office

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to trademark the phrase, make America great again,

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which, by the way, he owns. So I knew then that

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he was serious about what he said. Reagan said

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that first, right? He did. But what happened

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was we had so many changes of leadership in Reagan's

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campaign in 1980 that he had three different

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slogans. The first slogan was. make america great

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again then the campaign abandoned it and our

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slogan became the time is now i preferred make

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america great myself roger i want to i want to

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talk about you the purpose of the show is to

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put all the attention on you and um uh i start

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off by saying i i think you're a bit of a political

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savant you can kind of see things that nobody

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else can see at what point did you see that um

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It might be beneficial for a client that you're

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representing to do. It wasn't negative politics.

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What did you call the phrase that you called

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it that you prefer? Comparative. Comparative

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politics. When did you first realize this might

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be a really effective strategy for getting your

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client elected? The 1970s. If you agree, and

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I think you do, that we have a biased media,

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which has only gotten worse. pre -internet particularly,

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you only had one source of information. We had

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three television networks. We had two or three

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national news magazines that are long gone, by

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the way, Newsweek, Time, they no longer exist.

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By the way, the Newsweek that you see online,

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that's not Newsweek magazine. They sold that

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name. They sold that logo to the people who run

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the Daily Beast. So there's nothing newsworthy

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about Newsweek. That's not news. That's not a

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journalistic enterprise. That's not journalism.

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That's just propaganda. But in those days when

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you had more limited news coverage, then you

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had to buy advertising to make your point. And

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you had to buy advertising that compared your

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client with your opponent. And I always believed

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this had to be issue oriented, whether the issue

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was taxes or spending or war. It didn't matter

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what it was that this kind of comparative advertising

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had to be 100 percent accurate, had to be documented

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to the extent that you could show on the screen

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your sourcing. I always thought that was a positive

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negative advertising that was either false or

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too nasty. would almost always backfire. Facts

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had to be presented in a factual, but a very

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calm and concise way. And remember, you have

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to do all of this in 30 seconds or for radio,

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60 seconds. It's not quite as easy as it seems.

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I have to write ads this afternoon for one of

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my clients who's running in a special election

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in upstate New York. and getting everything you

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want to say into 30 seconds, much more difficult

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than you might think. So do you think where we

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are today, I mean, I see, I in a way see that

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where we are today with this massive polarization

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and people being canceled because they've gotten

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an uprising, an emotional uprising out of a large

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percentage of the population, I sort of see a

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dotted line directly back to maybe your efforts,

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where you maybe... perhaps started this intentional

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polarization to the point of winning at all costs

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and um by by creating an uprising against somebody

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else or a strong negative reaction towards somebody

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else do you see the dots connected like i do

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or not necessarily well i i probably see the

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same thing but i see it slightly different you

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see i think that the the divide in the country

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today is not between Republicans and Democrats.

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It's not even between liberals and conservatives.

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It is between those who believe in peace, those

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who believe in free speech, those who believe

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that we ought to take a hard look at the drugs

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that we're giving our families, the food that

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we are feeding our families, and those who believe

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in war because it's profitable. and those who

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believe in censorship because they fear the truth.

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And those who think, well, big pharma and big

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food, they should be able to do whatever they

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want as long as they're profitable. So I see

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a political realignment in the country. A Republican

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Democrat doesn't mean anything anymore. You're

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either a globalist or you're a nationalist. And

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to me, nationalism is not a dirty word. It means

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that you love your country. That's why I think

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that the the movement of common sense Democrats

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like Robert Kennedy, like Tulsi Gabbard, like

00:19:19.380 --> 00:19:24.819
Rob Blagojevich into the Trump movement, the

00:19:24.819 --> 00:19:29.079
MAGA movement, and the rise of the Make America

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Healthy movement, this is the beginning of a

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complete and total realignment. And the old terms

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don't mean that much to me anymore. People don't

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vote on the basis of party anymore. People are

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voting for the individual. People are voting

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for the principle. And on that basis, I'm very

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optimistic about where the country is headed,

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because I think we have a new majority. People

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need to forget these old labels. It's not about

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labels. It's about a commitment to free speech

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and peace and so on. I want to take us back a

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little to 2020 because, you know, we created

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this show called Erased because I'm sure you

00:20:12.450 --> 00:20:15.569
remember when we first met, I was speaking at

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an event talking about how the media tried to

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completely cancel us because we stood up against

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the COVID shot in the schools. you know we we

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put this show on because they really tried to

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cancel us erase us just squash us i mean i had

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cnn msnbc they were all parked outside our school

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really trying to cancel us and so you have your

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own cancellation journey so i want to talk about

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that you you actually have a long journey i mean

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it you know it goes back from the uh watergate

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you know i saw a little clip when you were talking

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about you were actually like yeah that you're

00:21:01.329 --> 00:21:04.450
19 your name's in the paper you know they've

00:21:04.450 --> 00:21:07.029
tried to cancel you many many times but let's

00:21:07.029 --> 00:21:13.589
focus on 2020 when you were indicted i mean i

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don't even understand when it when i read online

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and it says because you lied to congress tell

00:21:18.670 --> 00:21:23.089
us that story like what happened yeah First of

00:21:23.089 --> 00:21:25.309
all, the cancellation part of it happens first.

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So in 2017, I had about 980 ,000 followers on

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Twitter, almost a million. I had 300 plus followers

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on Facebook. I had, I think, about 85 ,000 followers

00:21:42.390 --> 00:21:47.589
on Instagram. And then suddenly, one day... And

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YouTube? And YouTube as well? Yes, I had about

00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:57.019
58 ,000 on YouTube. I actually had two channels

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on YouTube. And one day, suddenly, I was canceled

00:22:02.819 --> 00:22:06.220
on all of them. No notification, by the way.

00:22:06.259 --> 00:22:09.740
No email telling you you violated their non -existing

00:22:09.740 --> 00:22:14.599
community standard. Same day. One day, you're

00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:19.950
just completely gone. You're silenced. You're

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a non -person. And there is no appeal. They're

00:22:24.130 --> 00:22:26.130
private companies. They can do whatever they

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want. And because I was a supporter of Donald

00:22:33.869 --> 00:22:40.130
Trump, I had followed WikiLeaks. It was very

00:22:40.130 --> 00:22:43.430
simple. I did was set a Google alert for Julian

00:22:43.430 --> 00:22:48.000
Assange and repost. things that I saw him say

00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:52.539
in various interviews. And he spoke to a lot

00:22:52.539 --> 00:23:00.279
of less popular, more arcane media outlets. But

00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.799
all I really did was post what he was saying.

00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:08.480
They later came back and decided that when I

00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.640
went to the House Intelligence Committee voluntarily

00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:18.980
that I had that I had lied to Congress. Now,

00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:22.839
they went to two federal judges and they said

00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.940
that they had probable cause to charge me with

00:23:26.940 --> 00:23:30.480
treason, conspiracy against the United States,

00:23:30.740 --> 00:23:36.599
counterfeiting, money laundering, unauthorized

00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:41.660
access to a government computer, mail fraud,

00:23:41.859 --> 00:23:44.880
wire fraud. aiding and abetting a conspiracy

00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:48.680
before and after the fact. The judge let them

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have free reign. They got one million emails

00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:54.960
from me. They got all my text messages. They

00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:56.819
got records of all my phone calls. You know what

00:23:56.819 --> 00:24:00.240
they found? Nothing. That's what they found.

00:24:00.500 --> 00:24:03.700
Nothing. There was no Russian collusion. There

00:24:03.700 --> 00:24:07.359
was no collaboration with WikiLeaks. So they

00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:11.880
concocted this indictment. And to violate the

00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:14.000
False Statements Act, which is what I was charged

00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:17.259
with, your false statement has to be willful

00:24:17.259 --> 00:24:23.619
and has to hide some underlying crime. The false

00:24:23.619 --> 00:24:25.500
statements I was charged with were completely

00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:28.680
immaterial. There was no Russian collusion to

00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:32.079
hide. There was no WikiLeaks collaboration to

00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:34.519
hide. The government never produced any evidence

00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:38.980
of it. Now, I was, you know, put into this pressure

00:24:38.980 --> 00:24:44.940
cooker. where for months prior to the FBI storming

00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:49.059
my home at 6 o 'clock in the morning, where 29

00:24:49.059 --> 00:24:54.359
fully SWAT -clad FBI agents wearing night goggles

00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:58.980
surround and then storm my home, when all they

00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:01.900
had to do was call my lawyer and say, hey, we're

00:25:01.900 --> 00:25:05.339
charging your client with a nonviolent process

00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:10.380
crime. But instead they... they staged this this

00:25:10.380 --> 00:25:12.740
takedown like i was some kind of drug lord or

00:25:12.740 --> 00:25:16.539
something i guess to try to intimidate me and

00:25:16.539 --> 00:25:20.359
uh there was no crime there uh it's interesting

00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:24.579
that the president saw that i was being correctly

00:25:24.579 --> 00:25:27.660
pressured just to testify against him the whole

00:25:27.660 --> 00:25:30.180
point of my indictment was not because i did

00:25:30.180 --> 00:25:36.160
something wrong january 20 january 2019 is when

00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:39.339
i'm arrested By July, they've gone through all

00:25:39.339 --> 00:25:42.460
my emails. They realize they have nothing. By

00:25:42.460 --> 00:25:45.680
the way, they stormed my studio in Florida, my

00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:49.180
home, my apartment in New York. They trash all

00:25:49.180 --> 00:25:51.440
three places. I mean, they just they're there

00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:54.799
for 13 hours. They destroy. Did you know you

00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:56.940
were going to be arrested? Did you see it coming?

00:25:57.019 --> 00:26:01.819
I had a pretty good idea because a CNN reporter.

00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.359
contacted me the day before and said that she

00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:09.200
wanted my address because she wanted to mail

00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.880
me something. I thought that was very suspicious.

00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:15.839
At 6 .06, I was arrested in the morning. At 6

00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:20.220
.11, somebody from CNN contacts my lawyer and

00:26:20.220 --> 00:26:23.420
says, your client has been arrested. He says,

00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:25.880
arrested for what? Because I'd done nothing wrong.

00:26:26.299 --> 00:26:30.079
She sent him a copy of my sealed indictment.

00:26:30.829 --> 00:26:33.430
wasn't unsealed until 11 .30 that morning by

00:26:33.430 --> 00:26:37.170
a magistrate in D .C. So how does CNN have my

00:26:37.170 --> 00:26:41.569
sealed indictment at 6 .11 in the morning? Well,

00:26:41.670 --> 00:26:46.390
the answer is that it had been leaked to them

00:26:46.390 --> 00:26:51.410
by the man whose initials were in the metadata

00:26:51.410 --> 00:26:55.190
tags of that document, Andrew Weissman, who was

00:26:55.190 --> 00:27:01.369
essentially running the the entire Mueller investigation.

00:27:01.890 --> 00:27:03.809
So the whole point of this was... Do you think

00:27:03.809 --> 00:27:07.829
this was done because you were an important part

00:27:07.829 --> 00:27:11.369
in helping get Trump elected for 2016? Do you

00:27:11.369 --> 00:27:13.609
think they were just mad and wanting to shut

00:27:13.609 --> 00:27:19.250
you down and stop you? I think it was done for

00:27:19.250 --> 00:27:23.890
two reasons. One, because I was and am a friend

00:27:23.890 --> 00:27:26.970
of Donald Trump's and because we were in regular

00:27:26.970 --> 00:27:30.500
communication. But I think the real reason it

00:27:30.500 --> 00:27:32.960
was done is because they believed that if they

00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:37.779
threatened me with jail, that they could get

00:27:37.779 --> 00:27:41.359
me to lie. They could get me to bear false witness

00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:44.839
against Trump, which I refused to do. It was

00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:48.460
that simple. And they put me through two and

00:27:48.460 --> 00:27:51.079
a half years of hell. I mean, my wife and I lost

00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:54.339
everything we owned, our home, our savings, our

00:27:54.339 --> 00:27:58.230
insurance, my car. My electric guitar, that really

00:27:58.230 --> 00:28:00.670
killed me. I had to sell everything I had to

00:28:00.670 --> 00:28:04.849
pay for lawyers. And I was also gagged unconstitutionally.

00:28:04.930 --> 00:28:07.589
So I couldn't come on a program like this. I

00:28:07.589 --> 00:28:10.730
couldn't even defend myself. It was a very dark

00:28:10.730 --> 00:28:15.869
period. It is one in, frankly, only returning

00:28:15.869 --> 00:28:18.450
to the church, returning to my faith, allowed

00:28:18.450 --> 00:28:20.690
me to get through that, allowed me and my family

00:28:20.690 --> 00:28:26.099
to get through that. It is a... It's scary because

00:28:26.099 --> 00:28:28.519
if you can do it to me, well, you can do it to

00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:32.380
you. You can do it to anyone. We had a weaponized

00:28:32.380 --> 00:28:36.420
criminal justice system. It is only through the

00:28:36.420 --> 00:28:40.420
power of prayer and the support of tens of thousands

00:28:40.420 --> 00:28:44.460
of people who contributed both to my legal defense

00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:47.940
and also a family support fund because I had

00:28:47.940 --> 00:28:49.839
no way to make a living. I make my living by

00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:53.039
writing and speaking, but I was barred from doing

00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:56.329
either one. And didn't your wife suffer some

00:28:56.329 --> 00:28:59.349
health consequences because of it, right? She

00:28:59.349 --> 00:29:02.269
did. Immediately after, first of all, she was

00:29:02.269 --> 00:29:04.750
my rock through this entire period. She was the

00:29:04.750 --> 00:29:07.009
one who said, don't say what they want you to.

00:29:07.250 --> 00:29:10.089
Don't even think about it. You have to stay true

00:29:10.089 --> 00:29:13.049
to yourself. Not that I considered it, but it

00:29:13.049 --> 00:29:15.930
was a very stressful period. But then almost

00:29:15.930 --> 00:29:19.109
immediately after I was pardoned, my wife was

00:29:19.109 --> 00:29:22.630
diagnosed with a very aggressive stage four cancer.

00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:27.900
thanks to the fact that she chose her own treatment

00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:33.559
therapies. She is now almost four years cancer

00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:36.339
-free and in great health, doing extraordinarily

00:29:36.339 --> 00:29:40.759
well. Things got worse for you. You were at the

00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:44.720
precipice of prison time, no? Yeah, they wanted

00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:46.920
to give me seven to nine years in prison for

00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.640
allegedly lying to Congress. But if you read

00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:54.990
their sentencing memo, Once again, even though

00:29:54.990 --> 00:29:57.230
I wasn't convicted of this, they accused me of

00:29:57.230 --> 00:29:59.650
being involved in foreign interference in our

00:29:59.650 --> 00:30:01.710
election. They didn't bring any charge of any

00:30:01.710 --> 00:30:06.089
kind like that. Now, interestingly enough, BuzzFeed

00:30:06.089 --> 00:30:11.109
sued the Justice Department. This was after I

00:30:11.109 --> 00:30:14.230
was pardoned by the president. And they got full

00:30:14.230 --> 00:30:18.049
release of Robert Mueller's completely unredacted

00:30:18.049 --> 00:30:20.779
report. because they hid all the sections about

00:30:20.779 --> 00:30:23.640
me. Even he admitted that he found no evidence

00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.400
of Russian collusion or WikiLeaks collaboration

00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.539
or any other crime on my part. So it became absolutely

00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:33.460
clear that they had run this campaign to destroy

00:30:33.460 --> 00:30:38.019
me and my family. And they said they would tell

00:30:38.019 --> 00:30:40.920
the judge to give me no jail time if I would

00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.579
just agree to testify falsely against Trump.

00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:48.140
I refused to do that. So that was really what

00:30:48.140 --> 00:30:51.259
it was all about. Why do you think Trump didn't

00:30:51.259 --> 00:30:54.299
come in sooner to pardon you? Couldn't he have

00:30:54.299 --> 00:30:57.180
stopped the whole thing? I don't know how pardons

00:30:57.180 --> 00:31:00.500
work, but from what I saw, what Biden did, basically

00:31:00.500 --> 00:31:04.940
pardoning everybody and their grandma, would

00:31:04.940 --> 00:31:07.440
it have been a possibility for him to stop it

00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:09.500
in the beginning and just pardon you from the

00:31:09.500 --> 00:31:12.920
get -go? He could have given me a preemptive

00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:17.519
pardon. However, had he done so, then I could

00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:21.559
have conceivably been subjected to being re -indicted

00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:25.819
later for the same crime, or I could have been

00:31:25.819 --> 00:31:30.180
re -indicted by a state, by a state government.

00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.619
So because I went to trial and was pardoned after

00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:37.940
conviction, I cannot be recharged with the same

00:31:37.940 --> 00:31:40.640
crimes. That would constitute double jeopardy.

00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:44.099
But also politically, remember, You had half

00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:47.000
the Republican Party saying, oh, just let Mueller

00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:50.599
do his work. I mean, they did a great job of

00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:53.160
convincing the American people that there was

00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.079
some kind of Russian collusion that we needed

00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.160
to get to the bottom of. So politically, I think

00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.259
an early pardon for me was unpalatable. But in

00:32:04.259 --> 00:32:07.279
the end of the day, what they did to me, the

00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.839
railroading in which I wasn't even allowed to

00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:14.529
put on a defense in which. the judge ruled that

00:32:14.529 --> 00:32:17.109
I not only had to be gagged, that I couldn't

00:32:17.109 --> 00:32:21.269
defend myself, and I couldn't disprove that there

00:32:21.269 --> 00:32:23.809
was any hack of the Democrat National Committee.

00:32:23.970 --> 00:32:27.529
See, the premise of my indictment was that the

00:32:27.529 --> 00:32:30.529
Russian intelligence had hacked the Democrat

00:32:30.529 --> 00:32:34.450
National Committee. I had expert witnesses and

00:32:34.450 --> 00:32:36.609
forensic evidence that would have disproved that.

00:32:36.769 --> 00:32:39.789
The judge would not allow me to present it in

00:32:39.789 --> 00:32:43.779
court. One of the weird uh uh things that one

00:32:43.779 --> 00:32:47.440
of the specific charges was i lied when i said

00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:53.019
uh that a guy i knew who was a tv radio talk

00:32:53.019 --> 00:32:57.039
show host in new york told me that he had heard

00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.299
from a woman lawyer who worked for wikileaks

00:32:59.299 --> 00:33:02.980
that they had this devastating uh material on

00:33:02.980 --> 00:33:05.099
hillary clinton and that it would be released

00:33:05.099 --> 00:33:07.539
in october they said that i lied when i said

00:33:07.539 --> 00:33:10.920
that I had a text message from him saying all

00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:13.859
of that in black and white. The judge did not

00:33:13.859 --> 00:33:16.740
allow it to be introduced into evidence. It sounds

00:33:16.740 --> 00:33:21.079
like a horrible, surreal nightmare. And I know

00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:23.940
you were on the verge of, you got sentenced.

00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:28.079
Did you, what went through your head? Like, holy

00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.380
shit, I'm about to go to prison. Like my balls

00:33:31.380 --> 00:33:34.549
would be in my throat. I just continued to pray

00:33:34.549 --> 00:33:37.690
that the president would see that this was a

00:33:37.690 --> 00:33:40.750
complete injustice. First of all, I was not guilty

00:33:40.750 --> 00:33:43.490
of any crime. There was no Russian collusion

00:33:43.490 --> 00:33:46.990
to lie about. That it was all about pressuring

00:33:46.990 --> 00:33:50.009
me to testify against him. And I prayed for a

00:33:50.009 --> 00:33:53.829
pardon. And first he commuted my sentence about

00:33:53.829 --> 00:33:57.690
48 hours before I was to be taken into prison.

00:33:58.150 --> 00:34:01.309
And then... He commuted your sentence. What does

00:34:01.309 --> 00:34:03.759
that mean? That means you don't have to go to

00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.960
prison. Okay. Just two days prior. So you were

00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.420
prepared. How does one prepare to go to prison

00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:13.380
for a bunch of years? How does that work? Well,

00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.760
first of all, you're not allowed to bring anything

00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:18.980
with you but a Bible. Nothing at all. Not even

00:34:18.980 --> 00:34:23.059
a toothbrush. And it's hard to mentally prepare

00:34:23.059 --> 00:34:26.739
for it. But I also had faith that it wouldn't

00:34:26.739 --> 00:34:31.840
happen. So he stepped in. I was ultimately commuted

00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:34.840
my sentence. And then that Christmas, that was

00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:39.380
in July, that Christmas, I got a full and unconditional

00:34:39.380 --> 00:34:43.340
pardon. Now, go online and try to find that.

00:34:43.699 --> 00:34:47.059
It virtually does not exist. Stories continue

00:34:47.059 --> 00:34:50.619
to get written saying Stone was convicted. Trump

00:34:50.619 --> 00:34:55.199
commuted his sentence. Very often I have to have

00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:57.219
my lawyers contact them and say, well, point

00:34:57.219 --> 00:35:00.079
out that he was also unconditionally pardoned.

00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:03.920
So they buried that. You can find it, but it's

00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:09.179
hard to find. You know, it is scary that the

00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:14.360
government can prosecute people for no evidence

00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:16.559
whatsoever. I don't know if I've ever shared

00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:19.039
this with you, but the federal government came

00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:25.360
after us too. The EEOC threatened to indict me

00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.809
specifically. because of my stance against wanting

00:35:28.809 --> 00:35:32.489
the teachers to get the COVID shot. Mind you,

00:35:32.530 --> 00:35:37.510
not one teacher was fired. Mind you, all I was

00:35:37.510 --> 00:35:40.769
doing was basically saying, teachers, if you

00:35:40.769 --> 00:35:42.889
want to get the shot, don't do it until school

00:35:42.889 --> 00:35:46.170
is over. Mind you, this was the time that over

00:35:46.170 --> 00:35:50.070
10 ,000 teachers had been fired because they

00:35:50.070 --> 00:35:52.469
didn't want to get the shot. This was all over

00:35:52.469 --> 00:35:55.940
the country. They're actually being fired in

00:35:55.940 --> 00:36:00.440
all the other schools besides mine. And I'll

00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.820
never forget the lawyer was a Chinese guy and

00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:07.039
we're on Zoom. And he's basically offering me

00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:12.900
an insane settlement. You pay us $85 ,000 and

00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:15.420
for five years you're on probation and we get

00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:17.820
to follow everything you do, come into your school,

00:36:17.900 --> 00:36:21.260
whatever you want. And I just thought to myself,

00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:25.440
you know what? The system is so horribly broken.

00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:30.960
And I looked at the guy and I said, at this moment,

00:36:31.019 --> 00:36:35.039
we are still not a communist country. And I'm

00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:38.679
allowed to share information with my people.

00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:41.800
And the fact that you're coming after me and

00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:44.320
you're not coming after any of the other schools

00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.619
out there who actually fired people who didn't

00:36:47.619 --> 00:36:50.420
want to take an experimental drug, something

00:36:50.420 --> 00:36:54.489
is really wrong here. And I basically told the

00:36:54.489 --> 00:36:57.969
guy to pound sand, no deal. But they could have

00:36:57.969 --> 00:37:01.150
indicted me. They could have. And they didn't

00:37:01.150 --> 00:37:02.630
come back. That was the last we heard of him.

00:37:03.170 --> 00:37:06.590
She told him pound sand. I did, but when I hear

00:37:06.590 --> 00:37:08.949
stories like yours and what happened to President

00:37:08.949 --> 00:37:11.570
Trump and all these other people that have been

00:37:11.570 --> 00:37:18.070
improperly crucified, I just realized that...

00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:21.519
you know it's so broken but we do have to stand

00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:26.719
up against them we cannot allow them to bend

00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.260
us over and slap us in the ass we can't allow

00:37:30.260 --> 00:37:33.159
it it's not america right more of us need to

00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:35.579
stand up and i like that you stand up because

00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:38.780
even though at the time you were what 67 you

00:37:38.780 --> 00:37:40.880
could have you could be literally in prison right

00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:43.380
right now today i think it's the right thing

00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:46.420
that you did to stand up and say i'm not lying

00:37:47.210 --> 00:37:50.130
And I'm and I'm going to pray and I believe God

00:37:50.130 --> 00:37:52.690
is going to have my back because I know I did

00:37:52.690 --> 00:37:55.730
nothing wrong. Not to mention, let's just talk

00:37:55.730 --> 00:37:58.090
about all the people in Congress who have lied.

00:37:58.550 --> 00:38:02.030
Fauci. How come nothing happened to him? Hillary

00:38:02.030 --> 00:38:07.050
Clinton, James Comey, John Brennan, Andrew. These

00:38:07.050 --> 00:38:09.849
people lied about material things, things that

00:38:09.849 --> 00:38:13.420
matter. So General James Clapper. He said there's

00:38:13.420 --> 00:38:16.940
no metadata collection program on Americans.

00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:20.940
That was a lie. Edward Snowden proved that was

00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:24.099
a lie. Where is he today? He's teaching ethics

00:38:24.099 --> 00:38:28.480
at Vermont College, and he has a well -paying

00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:32.079
gig at CNN. No, it's a broken system. I admire

00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:34.639
so much what you've done with your school and

00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.579
the fact that you refuse to fold under pressure.

00:38:38.569 --> 00:38:40.929
It takes a special kind of person. There's no

00:38:40.929 --> 00:38:46.469
question about it. It's a broken system. So what

00:38:46.469 --> 00:38:49.170
does it feel like when you get this reprieve?

00:38:49.190 --> 00:38:51.989
First your sentence is commuted and then ultimately

00:38:51.989 --> 00:38:54.010
pardoned. It's got to be just, I don't know,

00:38:54.030 --> 00:38:56.230
the emotions. Describe what that feels like.

00:38:56.969 --> 00:39:01.210
I fell to my knees and I thanked God. And I embraced

00:39:01.210 --> 00:39:06.139
my daughter and my wife. And then I started thinking

00:39:06.139 --> 00:39:08.019
about how I was going to remake my life because

00:39:08.019 --> 00:39:12.280
I was completely broke. I had to start from scratch.

00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.880
By the way, I'm still banned for life on Facebook.

00:39:16.460 --> 00:39:19.539
I'm still banned for life on Instagram. You can

00:39:19.539 --> 00:39:22.000
go to Facebook right now. There are probably

00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.079
five Roger Stones, maybe 10. Who knows? I was

00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:26.679
in a restaurant the other night and a guy came

00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.559
up to me and said, hey, Stone, where's that crypto

00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.760
I bought from you? I said, what? The crypto I

00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:34.920
bought from you on Facebook, when do I get it?

00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:38.079
I said, I don't sell crypto and I'm not on Facebook.

00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:40.679
I don't know what you're talking about. Even

00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.159
though I am back on X and I think I just passed

00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:50.380
800 some odd thousand followers, I'd written

00:39:50.380 --> 00:39:52.699
a book in 2013 about the Kennedy assassination,

00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:55.920
the man who killed Kennedy, the case against

00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.920
LBJ, in which I make a case that, yes, there

00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.409
was a plot. that involved the Central Intelligence

00:40:01.409 --> 00:40:07.829
Agency and organized crime, Big Texas Oil. But

00:40:07.829 --> 00:40:11.449
it was Lyndon Johnson at the helm. It's a very

00:40:11.449 --> 00:40:15.030
compelling argument. And I'm not a lawyer, but

00:40:15.030 --> 00:40:16.829
you read my book and see if I didn't nail it.

00:40:17.690 --> 00:40:22.670
So a number of my posts recently, because I know

00:40:22.670 --> 00:40:24.590
a lot about this subject, have done extraordinarily

00:40:24.590 --> 00:40:29.150
well. But even on... Even on X, formerly known

00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:32.989
as Twitter, every two days is a new Roger Stone

00:40:32.989 --> 00:40:39.090
who pops up. And they copy your profile. They

00:40:39.090 --> 00:40:42.929
copy your graphics. But it'll be instead of Roger

00:40:42.929 --> 00:40:45.989
J. Stone Jr., which is what I am, Roger J. Stone

00:40:45.989 --> 00:40:50.389
Jr., they'll put Roger J .J. Stone Jr. Otherwise,

00:40:50.469 --> 00:40:53.309
it looks exactly the same. And I complain about

00:40:53.309 --> 00:40:56.130
it. It takes a long time for them to take it

00:40:56.130 --> 00:40:59.019
down. And then it pops back up three days later

00:40:59.019 --> 00:41:03.099
with some other derivative. And, of course, it

00:41:03.099 --> 00:41:05.559
doesn't matter how many times I complain to Facebook,

00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:09.280
the fake Roger Stones there never come down.

00:41:09.820 --> 00:41:12.340
So people come up to me. It's not just crypto.

00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.079
People say, you offered me a job and then I never

00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.639
heard back from you. So, folks, I'm not on Facebook.

00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:19.699
Don't look for me there. I'll probably never

00:41:19.699 --> 00:41:22.179
be there. Well, we'll post your handle and where

00:41:22.179 --> 00:41:24.619
you're at on the notes of the show. Sure. But

00:41:24.619 --> 00:41:28.900
I want to know. Did your family ever waver? I

00:41:28.900 --> 00:41:32.500
know your wife was a rock. She was by your side.

00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.800
But did any of your kids or your grandkids, did

00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:38.199
they ever waver? Did they ever give you pressure

00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:42.500
to say, just give them what they need? No. No,

00:41:42.539 --> 00:41:48.139
actually, my daughter. was very active in defending

00:41:48.139 --> 00:41:50.860
me. She went on with Tucker Carlson, and she

00:41:50.860 --> 00:41:53.840
defended me. She did a number of interviews and

00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:57.960
defended me, as did my wife. My family was 100

00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:02.239
% in my corner. It had to be very stressful to

00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:06.039
live with me at that point. It's very hard to

00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:09.400
hold it all together when you're under that kind

00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:13.650
of pressure. Now, after I was pardoned, Yes,

00:42:13.690 --> 00:42:15.789
my children, my grandchildren both said to me,

00:42:15.849 --> 00:42:19.070
maybe you should just, you know, maybe you should

00:42:19.070 --> 00:42:22.050
just kind of retire, write historical books,

00:42:22.170 --> 00:42:25.570
get out of the fight, stop talking about. I was,

00:42:25.610 --> 00:42:30.630
like you, a major critic of the COVID -19 vaccination,

00:42:31.070 --> 00:42:34.409
which I think was both unsafe and ineffective.

00:42:35.230 --> 00:42:37.269
But they kept saying, maybe you should just shut

00:42:37.269 --> 00:42:40.889
up and stay out of trouble. I'm sorry, I cannot

00:42:40.889 --> 00:42:45.000
do that. I can't do that. I just can't do that.

00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:50.159
This country is so great. I'm prepared to compete

00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:52.340
fighting for it. I will continue to say what

00:42:52.340 --> 00:42:55.300
I really think. And we'll see what happens. I

00:42:55.300 --> 00:42:58.400
mean, I'm very excited about the political realignment

00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.500
in the country. I'm very excited about what the

00:43:00.500 --> 00:43:04.159
president is trying to do. But I also don't think

00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.360
the fight is anywhere near over. And when I see

00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:09.239
these crazy people saying, you know, go burn

00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:13.119
down Tesla facilities. attack people driving

00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:17.460
Teslas. It's so funny because after January 6th,

00:43:17.460 --> 00:43:20.539
if you use the word fight in a speech, if you

00:43:20.539 --> 00:43:23.360
said, we need to stand up and fight for America,

00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:25.880
they would accuse you of advocating violence,

00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.539
even though there's nothing violent about that.

00:43:27.860 --> 00:43:31.019
But now you have members of Congress saying,

00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.179
go burn down the Tesla plant. Nobody complains

00:43:34.179 --> 00:43:37.619
about that. Didn't they try and frame you for

00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:42.809
January 6th? Didn't they try and? Yes, even though

00:43:42.809 --> 00:43:45.449
I wasn't there, even though I wasn't there. So

00:43:45.449 --> 00:43:48.389
I was in Washington, D .C. I gave a speech on

00:43:48.389 --> 00:43:51.449
the night of the 5th. You can't see it on YouTube

00:43:51.449 --> 00:43:54.769
anymore because it's been taken down, but I didn't

00:43:54.769 --> 00:43:59.010
say anything inappropriate. Anybody who claims

00:43:59.010 --> 00:44:03.769
that I knew in advance about, participated in,

00:44:03.889 --> 00:44:09.489
or condoned violence on January 6th, that's categorically

00:44:09.489 --> 00:44:14.469
false. First of all, I'm not sure who in their

00:44:14.469 --> 00:44:17.909
right mind thinks breaking into the Capitol would

00:44:17.909 --> 00:44:21.230
be politically advantageous to Donald Trump or

00:44:21.230 --> 00:44:24.949
how that would in some way help him. I mean,

00:44:24.969 --> 00:44:27.510
I'm a lot of things, but stupid is not one of

00:44:27.510 --> 00:44:31.750
them. And yeah, in fact, I did. It's a perfect

00:44:31.750 --> 00:44:36.510
example. They said that I that I left Washington

00:44:36.510 --> 00:44:39.769
quickly because I feared being arrested. No.

00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:43.260
I left Washington quickly because you offered

00:44:43.260 --> 00:44:46.719
me a ride back to Miami on your plane. I didn't

00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:48.420
want to have to go through the airport and be

00:44:48.420 --> 00:44:54.860
harassed by morons. We had a lovely ride home.

00:44:55.099 --> 00:44:58.179
We didn't know what was going on, frankly. Were

00:44:58.179 --> 00:45:01.920
there some kind of side? No, it was for the Dope

00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.860
Big Treat event, right? Some side kind of presentation.

00:45:05.420 --> 00:45:08.940
The energy on the streets changed dramatically.

00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:11.039
It's like, what is going on? It got really weird.

00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:13.420
And we were like, we got to get out of here.

00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.559
My husband called me and was like, we're coming

00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:19.460
home now. We don't know what's going on. We were

00:45:19.460 --> 00:45:22.599
asked to swing by your hotel. pick you up and

00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:26.340
your lovely assistant. And off we went. But didn't

00:45:26.340 --> 00:45:31.320
the FBI or CIA call you and say, hey, come down

00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:33.460
to the Capitol? Weren't they trying to pull you

00:45:33.460 --> 00:45:36.719
there? Something weird? What happened was I had

00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.559
never had any plan to go to the Capitol. And

00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:43.320
when I was in my room, I never really left the

00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:46.199
hotel grounds on January 6th. I came out in front

00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:48.820
of the hotel in the morning, really just kind

00:45:48.820 --> 00:45:52.849
of stretched my legs. And I posed for many, many,

00:45:52.869 --> 00:45:56.510
many selfies with people. So then the first thing

00:45:56.510 --> 00:45:58.789
they do is they try his guilt association. Well,

00:45:58.809 --> 00:46:01.429
here's Roger Stone taking his pictures being

00:46:01.429 --> 00:46:04.630
taken with somebody who later gets charged with

00:46:04.630 --> 00:46:07.750
a crime. I've had my picture taken with thousands

00:46:07.750 --> 00:46:10.969
of people, not responsible for everything that

00:46:10.969 --> 00:46:15.409
they do. And then I watched the president's speech

00:46:15.409 --> 00:46:19.510
on the ellipse. And then the telephone in my

00:46:19.510 --> 00:46:23.210
room in the hotel rings. And there are two Secret

00:46:23.210 --> 00:46:26.409
Service agents in the lobby. And they say, we've

00:46:26.409 --> 00:46:30.010
been sent to escort you to the Capitol. I said,

00:46:30.030 --> 00:46:32.150
well, that's funny because I'm not going to the

00:46:32.150 --> 00:46:34.469
Capitol. No, no, we think you should go to the

00:46:34.469 --> 00:46:36.909
Capitol. I said, no, I'm not. I'm not going to

00:46:36.909 --> 00:46:39.809
the Capitol. Sorry. No, thank you. So, yeah,

00:46:39.929 --> 00:46:42.949
I think it was most definitely a setup. Had I

00:46:42.949 --> 00:46:46.239
left at that exact moment. I would have arrived

00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:49.880
at precisely the time that some people broke

00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:51.840
into the Capitol. Then I imagine they would have

00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.519
tried to blame the whole thing on me, but I know

00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.320
nothing about it. I can show you all kinds of

00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.739
headlines that say that my arrest is imminent

00:46:59.739 --> 00:47:03.679
and I'm the mastermind of the whole thing. No,

00:47:03.780 --> 00:47:05.900
I don't know a thing about it. I think it was

00:47:05.900 --> 00:47:09.059
counterproductive, to say the least. I also was

00:47:09.059 --> 00:47:12.800
not involved in the effort to delay the certification

00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.809
of the Electoral College. even though I think

00:47:15.809 --> 00:47:18.429
such an effort, I'm not a lawyer, but I think

00:47:18.429 --> 00:47:21.849
such an effort is legal. Also, by the way, there's

00:47:21.849 --> 00:47:24.349
no such thing as a fake elector. There is no

00:47:24.349 --> 00:47:28.849
such thing. John Kennedy filed a slate of alternative

00:47:28.849 --> 00:47:32.550
electors in Hawaii in 1960. It's a good thing

00:47:32.550 --> 00:47:34.730
for him that he did because when they counted

00:47:34.730 --> 00:47:39.079
the absentee ballots, he won. They had to decertify

00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:41.079
the electors who had pledged to Richard Nixon

00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:43.960
and certify the electors who were the alternative

00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:48.019
electors who had formed an alternative elector

00:47:48.019 --> 00:47:50.579
slate for John Kennedy. There is no such thing

00:47:50.579 --> 00:47:53.239
as a fake elector, even though there are still

00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:57.460
trials going on in Nevada and other states. Did

00:47:57.460 --> 00:48:00.000
you ever get the names of the two Secret Service

00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:03.059
men that were in the lobby? Unfortunately, I

00:48:03.059 --> 00:48:04.719
did not, because, of course, at that point, you

00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.420
don't really realize what was going on. Even

00:48:07.420 --> 00:48:10.679
when somebody said to me, oh, someone broke into

00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:13.559
the Capitol. In my mind, I pictured one person.

00:48:13.739 --> 00:48:17.480
I didn't realize this was going to be a fedsurrection

00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:20.900
and that this was going to turn into a full -fledged

00:48:20.900 --> 00:48:23.480
riot. Did they say, wear this hat with these

00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:28.219
horns on it? Well, you had a good alibi. That's

00:48:28.219 --> 00:48:32.820
the thing. You were with the most sweetest, humblest

00:48:32.820 --> 00:48:37.900
man I know. He is not the troublemaker. Now,

00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.119
if it was me, on the other hand, if you were

00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:43.800
with me, then you know there would be a lot of

00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:45.539
question about what trouble we might have been

00:48:45.539 --> 00:48:49.239
up to. You're a free spirit, but I still don't

00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:50.539
think you would have broken into the Capitol.

00:48:50.579 --> 00:48:52.739
I wouldn't have either, but I'm just saying the

00:48:52.739 --> 00:48:55.760
media would have been able to put more of a dramatic

00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:00.920
story together. I mean, anybody can be accused

00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:03.340
of anything. They can make up anything, really.

00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.519
It's not America. This is not the America that

00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:11.820
we were taught. Did you get a pardon for January

00:49:11.820 --> 00:49:14.179
6th as well? Did you need to get one even though

00:49:14.179 --> 00:49:16.820
you were nowhere near it? This is another example

00:49:16.820 --> 00:49:22.579
of how the media distorts things. So I wrote

00:49:22.579 --> 00:49:25.539
a letter to the president after January 6th,

00:49:25.539 --> 00:49:29.599
and I said, they're going to criminalize any

00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.360
objection to the election. They're going to say

00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:36.500
that. that questioning the outcome of the election

00:49:36.500 --> 00:49:40.900
is a crime. And therefore, you should preemptively

00:49:40.900 --> 00:49:45.460
pardon every Republican member of Congress who's

00:49:45.460 --> 00:49:47.780
questioned the election, every member of your

00:49:47.780 --> 00:49:52.159
staff who's questioned the election, every supporter

00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:55.500
of yours who's spoken publicly and questioned

00:49:55.500 --> 00:49:57.400
the outcome of the election, because they're

00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:01.820
going to try to criminalize that. Stone seeks

00:50:01.820 --> 00:50:04.619
a second pardon for his activities on January

00:50:04.619 --> 00:50:07.360
6th. That's not what I said. By the way, it turned

00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:09.820
out to be right, didn't I? They charged people

00:50:09.820 --> 00:50:12.880
in multiple states on their crime, questioning

00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:15.139
the outcome of the election, that they tried

00:50:15.139 --> 00:50:18.619
to make a crime. It's not a crime. So, no, I

00:50:18.619 --> 00:50:21.239
didn't require a pardon for anything I did on

00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.039
January 6th because I wasn't involved in any

00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.539
activity, either a legal activity or an illegal

00:50:27.539 --> 00:50:30.809
activity. Even though you weren't involved, we

00:50:30.809 --> 00:50:34.590
know they can charge people for garbage. That's

00:50:34.590 --> 00:50:39.389
just what they do. True. Did you lose any friends

00:50:39.389 --> 00:50:43.469
along the way? Just simply to turn their back

00:50:43.469 --> 00:50:47.170
on you that was buying into the narrative? Anything

00:50:47.170 --> 00:50:49.389
like that? Or gain any friends along the way?

00:50:49.690 --> 00:50:53.309
I gained many, many, many friends. And I look

00:50:53.309 --> 00:50:57.780
ahead over, I think. Almost 40 ,000 individual

00:50:57.780 --> 00:51:01.179
people give contributions to my legal defense

00:51:01.179 --> 00:51:03.980
fund and to my family support fund, particularly

00:51:03.980 --> 00:51:07.659
since we lost our insurance, supporting my wife

00:51:07.659 --> 00:51:10.280
and my family through her cancer treatments and

00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:13.940
so on. I lost a few friends in the sense that

00:51:13.940 --> 00:51:17.860
when I was made it very clear publicly that I

00:51:17.860 --> 00:51:21.780
wanted clemency, that I was seeking a pardon

00:51:21.780 --> 00:51:24.340
through prayer because I never got a chance to

00:51:24.340 --> 00:51:27.079
speak to the president about it. There were people

00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:30.159
who did nothing to help me. Those are the same

00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:32.739
people who were the first ones to call you when

00:51:32.739 --> 00:51:36.239
you got pardoned and take huge credit for something

00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.780
they never did. I know who those people are.

00:51:39.420 --> 00:51:43.659
But generally speaking, if there's any good that

00:51:43.659 --> 00:51:46.519
comes out of this, you get to know who your real

00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:49.480
friends are and you get to find out who your

00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:54.699
real friends are not. It's similar to us. I mean,

00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:57.760
many of David's family members pretty much cut

00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.920
us off, stopped talking to us. We're like, you

00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.000
guys are doing bad with your money. Like, how

00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:07.599
dare you support President Trump? Like, just

00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:12.199
how dare you stand against this beautiful vaccine

00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:15.139
that's here to save the world? You know, like,

00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:18.300
they really went after us hard. We lost a ton

00:52:18.300 --> 00:52:22.369
of people at school, but later we got... even

00:52:22.369 --> 00:52:27.449
more amazing I have a question you know you've

00:52:27.449 --> 00:52:30.889
you've had a lot of different controversy starting

00:52:30.889 --> 00:52:33.989
with when you were 19 you know and then there

00:52:33.989 --> 00:52:36.510
was other things that they've they've been trying

00:52:36.510 --> 00:52:40.010
to take you down for a while and you've always

00:52:40.010 --> 00:52:43.389
seemed to bounce back stronger is there anything

00:52:43.389 --> 00:52:48.550
that you would do differently is there anything

00:52:48.550 --> 00:52:51.750
that from what you've learned about what you've

00:52:51.750 --> 00:52:55.489
been through, you know, the last 50 -some years,

00:52:55.630 --> 00:53:00.030
what lessons did you learn from this? What would

00:53:00.030 --> 00:53:01.809
you do differently? What would you tell someone

00:53:01.809 --> 00:53:06.170
else who is in your similar shoes, being falsely

00:53:06.170 --> 00:53:10.409
accused, being canceled, being completely ripped

00:53:10.409 --> 00:53:14.690
apart in the media? Give us some advice. Very

00:53:14.690 --> 00:53:20.340
hard to say. It's very hard to look back and

00:53:20.340 --> 00:53:22.559
see if there's any one thing that I regretted.

00:53:22.820 --> 00:53:26.760
I misjudged certain things, so I had no idea

00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:32.760
that reading something off of Google and reposting

00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:34.980
it would be constituted as a crime. I thought

00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:37.780
that was fairly ridiculous. I knew there was

00:53:37.780 --> 00:53:40.000
no Russian collusion. It was absurd from the

00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:43.280
beginning. I guess I can't honestly tell you

00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.840
that I have any regrets. I may have some regrets

00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:49.409
in my personal life, but... They're not something

00:53:49.409 --> 00:53:52.250
I would get into here. But in my public life,

00:53:52.329 --> 00:53:55.329
in my political activity, no, I admire people

00:53:55.329 --> 00:53:58.630
who get in the arena. Not the people who stand

00:53:58.630 --> 00:54:01.730
on the sidelines and criticize those who are

00:54:01.730 --> 00:54:04.849
in the fight, but those who actually get in the

00:54:04.849 --> 00:54:08.929
fight. Because life is about supporting a cause

00:54:08.929 --> 00:54:12.750
bigger than yourself. If you don't have a purpose

00:54:12.750 --> 00:54:16.090
in life that is bigger than just yourself, meaning...

00:54:16.460 --> 00:54:18.820
making money, being successful, having a great

00:54:18.820 --> 00:54:23.820
life. I think these people have to be tremendously

00:54:23.820 --> 00:54:28.400
bored. If you are not in the fight for something

00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.420
larger than yourself, then life would not be

00:54:31.420 --> 00:54:35.940
worth living. What is your cause? Has it evolved

00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:39.619
over time? Where are you at today? My cause is

00:54:39.619 --> 00:54:43.440
personal freedom, the freedom to say what you

00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:47.670
want, the freedom to to make your own health

00:54:47.670 --> 00:54:53.289
choices, your freedom to express yourself. I

00:54:53.289 --> 00:54:57.269
mean, it all boils down to individual freedom,

00:54:57.489 --> 00:55:02.590
freedom from the tyranny of big government, freedom

00:55:02.590 --> 00:55:08.570
to not be spied on, not be surveilled by the

00:55:08.570 --> 00:55:11.070
government, not because they have some probable

00:55:11.070 --> 00:55:13.469
cause, but because they just don't like your

00:55:13.469 --> 00:55:18.119
politics. So I guess my cause is freedom, is

00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:20.420
liberty. We're super aligned. I think that's

00:55:20.420 --> 00:55:22.619
why when we met a few years ago, we clicked right

00:55:22.619 --> 00:55:26.119
away because I'm right there with you. Like we,

00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:29.599
you know, this country was built on freedom and

00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:34.579
to have it taken away. I remember 10 years ago,

00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.639
David was talking to me about all these things

00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.239
that were in China, like people weren't allowed

00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:43.380
to freely. surf the internet. People weren't

00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:45.659
allowed to have social media. And I used to look

00:55:45.659 --> 00:55:48.900
at him and go, gosh, that's so sad. And then

00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:52.059
when all this hit, I'm like, honey, that's not

00:55:52.059 --> 00:55:54.360
just happening in China. It's happening in this

00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:59.380
free country. Like it's a tragedy. But I see

00:55:59.380 --> 00:56:01.099
it in a backhanded way. Like everything that

00:56:01.099 --> 00:56:04.340
happened during COVID actually started a bit

00:56:04.340 --> 00:56:07.440
of a revolution. A lot of people were blindly

00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:09.739
following whatever. And now there's a lot more

00:56:09.739 --> 00:56:11.690
people that are critically thinking, their eyes

00:56:11.690 --> 00:56:13.489
are opening, they're discarding their beliefs.

00:56:13.670 --> 00:56:17.110
And I think I'm one of them. I don't hang on

00:56:17.110 --> 00:56:19.369
to my beliefs so tightly that I used to before.

00:56:19.590 --> 00:56:22.369
And those beliefs were just derived because I

00:56:22.369 --> 00:56:24.190
was told to believe these things. So I think

00:56:24.190 --> 00:56:26.429
there's a backhanded benefit to everything that

00:56:26.429 --> 00:56:28.710
we've gone through the past few years. How do

00:56:28.710 --> 00:56:34.010
you feel about that? What amazes me is the number

00:56:34.010 --> 00:56:36.949
of people who remain just completely uneducated.

00:56:37.690 --> 00:56:42.239
The people who... who they just blindly watch

00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:47.920
you know cnn or msnbc or or any of the the the

00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:52.659
legacy media and they don't uh they either don't

00:56:52.659 --> 00:56:56.860
take advantage of social media or they or they

00:56:56.860 --> 00:57:00.420
or they just don't they're uninclusive maybe

00:57:00.420 --> 00:57:03.579
it's because they're so busy in their private

00:57:03.579 --> 00:57:08.000
lives but there are still As you know, millions

00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:10.460
of people who think that the COVID -19 vaccination

00:57:10.460 --> 00:57:13.659
shot was safe and effective, they actually believe

00:57:13.659 --> 00:57:15.980
this. Nobody died from it. What are you talking

00:57:15.980 --> 00:57:18.199
about? Nobody died from this. I've had people

00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:20.320
say this to me. I'm like, are you out of your

00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:23.420
mind? Can you not read? Do you not have eyes?

00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:27.480
But members of my, not my immediate family, but

00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:30.440
members of my extended family, they have no clue

00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:34.739
because they don't go and look. So it still amazes

00:57:34.739 --> 00:57:38.030
me how, I mean. 47 % of the people voted for

00:57:38.030 --> 00:57:41.809
Kamala Harris. How could anyone think that she

00:57:41.809 --> 00:57:44.909
was qualified to be president? How could anybody

00:57:44.909 --> 00:57:47.750
think she stood for anything other than more

00:57:47.750 --> 00:57:51.269
of the same? That in itself is a little scary,

00:57:51.289 --> 00:57:53.849
if you ask me. If we had to listen to that laugh

00:57:53.849 --> 00:57:57.510
for four years, I was just going to just leave

00:57:57.510 --> 00:57:59.949
the country or something. I have a question.

00:58:00.539 --> 00:58:05.059
So did they cancel your health insurance, like

00:58:05.059 --> 00:58:08.039
you mentioned? I could just no longer pay the

00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.820
premiums. When you can't pay the premiums, you

00:58:10.820 --> 00:58:15.340
lose everything. I mean, we had to sell our house.

00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:20.320
We had to move to a much smaller place. I mean,

00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:25.380
we were out of cash. And then after I was pardoned,

00:58:25.380 --> 00:58:33.780
the government sued me. over my 2006 taxes. Wow.

00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:37.360
Just to be clear, I'm up to date for every year

00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:41.860
since 2006. I owe the IRS about $2 million in

00:58:41.860 --> 00:58:45.920
taxes, but it's not as bad as it sounds. 75 %

00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:48.599
of that is interest and penalties. Oh, my God.

00:58:48.940 --> 00:58:53.440
And I had to talk about not being guilty of tax

00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:57.079
evasion. I paid monthly payments every year for

00:58:57.079 --> 00:58:59.849
eight years without ever missing a payment. So

00:58:59.849 --> 00:59:03.369
I consistently paid my tax debt down and I wouldn't

00:59:03.369 --> 00:59:06.090
continue to pay until they bankrupted me. Once

00:59:06.090 --> 00:59:08.710
you run out of money, he's trying to get part

00:59:08.710 --> 00:59:11.070
of the expression, trying to get blood out of

00:59:11.070 --> 00:59:14.230
a stone. There was no more money. So they bankrupt

00:59:14.230 --> 00:59:17.610
you and then they sue you because you can't pay.

00:59:17.769 --> 00:59:20.050
How much sense does that make? Whereas if they

00:59:20.050 --> 00:59:22.309
had never harassed me, they'd be paid off by

00:59:22.309 --> 00:59:27.579
now. And people say. Stone and his wife evaded

00:59:27.579 --> 00:59:30.679
taxes, but he didn't get prosecuted like Hunter

00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:34.599
Biden. No, he failed to report $10 million worth

00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:37.719
of income. We never failed to report a single

00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:41.559
penny. We reported every penny of income, and

00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:45.119
we accurately reported our rather meager assets.

00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:49.400
So apples and oranges, not even remotely similar.

00:59:49.659 --> 00:59:52.639
But you wouldn't know that from some of the trolls

00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.699
on the... on social media who claim otherwise.

00:59:56.059 --> 00:59:59.000
And, you know, a lot of people were canceled

00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:03.099
by banks. Chase and Bank of America are on a

01:00:03.099 --> 01:00:07.400
rampage canceling conservatives. Did you experience

01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:10.679
any of that as well? We had some bank accounts

01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:13.159
that were closed without explanation. And when

01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:16.920
we asked for an explanation, we were never given

01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:22.250
one. As a general speaking, any time The FBI

01:00:22.250 --> 01:00:25.610
delivers a subpoena to your bank wanting to look

01:00:25.610 --> 01:00:27.650
at your bank accounts. The first thing the bank

01:00:27.650 --> 01:00:30.369
wants to do is close your account. I hope there's

01:00:30.369 --> 01:00:33.510
some sort of law. The media has said you've done

01:00:33.510 --> 01:00:35.210
something. It's on the allegation. Yeah, I hope

01:00:35.210 --> 01:00:37.949
there's some sort of executive order that stops

01:00:37.949 --> 01:00:41.010
this from happening because I know so many good

01:00:41.010 --> 01:00:43.349
people that have been kicked off the bank just

01:00:43.349 --> 01:00:47.050
for an accusation in the media. And we all know

01:00:47.050 --> 01:00:50.130
the media can accuse people of anything they

01:00:50.130 --> 01:00:52.639
want. I just want to talk about one last thing.

01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:56.280
You were pretty instrumental in helping Bobby

01:00:56.280 --> 01:01:00.400
and President Trump come together to form this

01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:02.800
union. Can we just spend a few minutes before

01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:05.840
we have to wrap up talking about that? I love

01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:07.739
that you're super involved with this movement.

01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:12.000
Sure. First of all, I had the privilege of meeting

01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:16.920
Bobby Kennedy at a health freedom conference

01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:21.039
some time ago. I had admired him for a long time.

01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:24.519
Also was a great admirer of his father, who was

01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:30.019
a fierce anti -communist and a great man. And

01:01:30.019 --> 01:01:34.980
I did think that when he was running as a independent,

01:01:35.340 --> 01:01:38.440
when he was running as a Democrat, I realized

01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:40.960
that they were going to do to him what they did

01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:43.340
to Bernie Sanders. They were just going to kneecap

01:01:43.340 --> 01:01:45.440
him. They were never going to let him compete

01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:49.860
fairly for the nomination. Then having supported

01:01:49.860 --> 01:01:53.920
the Libertarian Party candidate myself in 2012

01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:57.199
and helped him get on the ballot, that was Governor

01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.699
Gary Johnson, because I couldn't stomach Mitt

01:01:59.699 --> 01:02:03.300
Romney, I realized how difficult it was. And

01:02:03.300 --> 01:02:06.300
that was with a party apparatus to get on the

01:02:06.300 --> 01:02:09.360
ballot as an independent. I also had a concern

01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:14.579
that in some states, not all, but in some states,

01:02:14.659 --> 01:02:18.340
that Bobby Kennedy would take more votes. from

01:02:18.340 --> 01:02:20.980
Trump than he would from then we thought it would

01:02:20.980 --> 01:02:26.480
be Biden. And in the end, I realized that we

01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:30.139
had more in common than apart. So yes, I did

01:02:30.139 --> 01:02:34.440
encourage this grand coalition. He's somebody

01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:38.280
that I admire enormously for his integrity and

01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:41.599
for his courage. And I think it is the wave of

01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:44.989
the future, this new this new realignment. I

01:02:44.989 --> 01:02:47.650
think Susie Wiles, the president's campaign manager,

01:02:47.750 --> 01:02:50.829
and later his current chief of staff, probably

01:02:50.829 --> 01:02:53.889
deserves more credit for forging this alliance

01:02:53.889 --> 01:02:57.550
than any other single person. She's an amazing

01:02:57.550 --> 01:03:00.610
person in her own right, and she's doing an amazing

01:03:00.610 --> 01:03:04.429
job. But she saw the great value of the alliance.

01:03:04.869 --> 01:03:10.010
I'm also a huge admirer of Tulsi Gabbard. She's

01:03:10.010 --> 01:03:12.090
going to be the first woman president. I have

01:03:12.090 --> 01:03:15.349
no doubt about that. I think she was also a very

01:03:15.349 --> 01:03:19.829
important element in this new coalition. I think

01:03:19.829 --> 01:03:22.630
it's the wave of the future. Yeah, I'm excited.

01:03:22.750 --> 01:03:27.210
I think we have a very, a lot of changes are

01:03:27.210 --> 01:03:29.090
going to happen in the next four years. And I'm

01:03:29.090 --> 01:03:32.929
hoping that Bobby Kennedy shines the light around

01:03:32.929 --> 01:03:36.769
childhood vaccines and everything else that's

01:03:36.769 --> 01:03:40.860
impacting. our bodies. You know, I'm not sure

01:03:40.860 --> 01:03:42.980
if I told you this, but we opened a wellness

01:03:42.980 --> 01:03:46.340
center, Settner Wellness. So I would love to

01:03:46.340 --> 01:03:49.340
have you and your wife come visit us. It's all

01:03:49.340 --> 01:03:53.760
about longevity. It's all about detoxing, strengthening

01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:56.400
the immune system. And, you know, since your

01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:58.719
wife has gone through what she's been through,

01:03:58.780 --> 01:04:01.940
it'd be great to just keep her. continuing to

01:04:01.940 --> 01:04:04.460
strengthen her immune system so that way she

01:04:04.460 --> 01:04:06.679
can stay ahead of this. So I'd love to invite

01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:08.340
you to set in her wellness when you're in town,

01:04:08.420 --> 01:04:11.139
when you're in Miami. That'd be great. I appreciate

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it. So I'll leave you with this one last question,

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Mr. Roger Stone. If your mission and purpose

01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:21.699
in life is to... fight and uh and liberate people

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and help people find a voice do you think you

01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:26.780
are have been successful in that cause do you

01:04:26.780 --> 01:04:29.880
have still work to be done and are you um have

01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:33.139
you made the world a better place uh first of

01:04:33.139 --> 01:04:36.260
all i'm just warming up to be very clear anybody

01:04:36.260 --> 01:04:38.500
thinks at the end of my career i'm just starting

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uh yes i'm going to continue to speak out for

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what i believe in i'm going to continue working

01:04:43.059 --> 01:04:47.690
for what i believe in I guess that is the, after

01:04:47.690 --> 01:04:49.329
I'm gone, that's what I would like people to

01:04:49.329 --> 01:04:51.269
say. He made a difference. That's what I really

01:04:51.269 --> 01:04:53.889
care about, making a difference. I'm not going

01:04:53.889 --> 01:04:56.630
to shut up. You can forget that idea right now.

01:04:56.730 --> 01:05:00.170
Not you, but anyone. And I'm going to continue

01:05:00.170 --> 01:05:02.909
to correct the record. I have been subjected

01:05:02.909 --> 01:05:06.690
to an enormous amount of smears, an enormous

01:05:06.690 --> 01:05:10.309
amount of disinformation. I'm still, I'm working

01:05:10.309 --> 01:05:12.869
on two books right now. Working on a book on

01:05:12.869 --> 01:05:15.780
the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan,

01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.699
because that story has not been told. It's a

01:05:18.699 --> 01:05:21.659
shocking story. And I won't get into it now.

01:05:21.860 --> 01:05:24.860
But that book is easy to write. And I'm working

01:05:24.860 --> 01:05:27.699
on a book about my own experience of fighting

01:05:27.699 --> 01:05:30.440
for two and a half years for my own life. That

01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:32.639
book, you would think it would be cathartic to

01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:35.760
write that. It's not cathartic. It's extraordinarily

01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:39.239
difficult. It's wrenching. It makes me physically

01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:42.380
ill at some points. But I will finish it and

01:05:42.380 --> 01:05:45.079
I will publish it. Because people need to understand

01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:49.119
that what happened to me can happen to you. Absolutely.

01:05:49.340 --> 01:05:52.619
I think that's also why this show is so important.

01:05:52.780 --> 01:05:56.619
Because we want to give people a voice like yours

01:05:56.619 --> 01:06:00.119
to share your story, to share your journey, to

01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:04.360
share the ups and downs. And I like to hear the

01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:06.539
things that you said. What got you through it?

01:06:06.619 --> 01:06:08.840
God got you through it. Prayer got you through

01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:10.579
it. For everybody, it was something different.

01:06:11.340 --> 01:06:15.829
And to really... inspire others that you can

01:06:15.829 --> 01:06:18.550
fight back. You don't have to shut up and take

01:06:18.550 --> 01:06:22.730
it. And there is a platform where you can share

01:06:22.730 --> 01:06:26.550
your story and be heard and continue doing what

01:06:26.550 --> 01:06:28.550
you're meant to do and what your mission is.

01:06:28.989 --> 01:06:30.789
So when you're ready, when this book is ready

01:06:30.789 --> 01:06:33.650
to be discussed and shared with the world, we

01:06:33.650 --> 01:06:36.070
welcome you back on our show. This is the best

01:06:36.070 --> 01:06:40.340
place for you. I appreciate that. i'd love to

01:06:40.340 --> 01:06:43.559
have you on the leila show that's my show uh

01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:46.380
just to talk about politics because i think you're

01:06:46.380 --> 01:06:49.920
super interesting and every time we're you know

01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:52.820
you know in an event together we always have

01:06:52.820 --> 01:06:55.400
great conversations so i would love to have you

01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.900
on my show just to talk about politics politics

01:06:58.900 --> 01:07:01.880
i i'd be happy to do that and then one other

01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:04.519
key thing leila Please say hello to your mother

01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:07.800
because I love your mother. I will. She actually

01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:10.519
really wanted to be here to watch this episode,

01:07:10.579 --> 01:07:13.139
but she just got laser on her face, so she's

01:07:13.139 --> 01:07:17.000
all red right now. Give her my regards. All right,

01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:19.000
I will. Thank you, Roger. Appreciate it. Thanks

01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:20.340
for coming on our show. Thank you for coming

01:07:20.340 --> 01:07:21.440
on our show. Good luck with everything. Thank

01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:22.539
you. Thank you. Bye -bye.