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And finally, I would write to the representatives

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of the journal like, hey, what's the holdup?

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I haven't seen the proofs. I haven't seen, you

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know, because normally you have to go through

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the proofs and the layout. They're not sending

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me anything. And then finally, I wrote them an

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email and I said, I suspect scientific misconduct

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and I will go public unless I get an answer.

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So I have a question for you. Ten years ago,

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would you ever foresee that you might be one

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of the most controversial people in America,

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if not if not the world? I could never have imagined

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being in this position. I mean, I you know, when

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I think about my life before covid, I was. If

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there was something wrong with me, it was a little

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bit of a workaholic. I mean, I worked a mess.

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My specialty, which is critical care, it's one

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of the most hours worked specialties out there.

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You work in a hospital. In a hospital, yeah.

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You have to be in a hospital for ICU, right?

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So we worked an immense amount of hours. And

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I really liked what I did. But I also taught.

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So I did research with fellows and residents.

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I taught them and students. And so I was always

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writing and teaching. And then I helped pioneer

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a sub -genre of my specialty, which was critical

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care ultrasound. I learned how to do ultrasound

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myself. And I learned how to make life -saving

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diagnoses at the bedside of Craig. crashing patients

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so that I could turn them around real quick.

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And I taught, I wrote and taught that for about

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10 years. And so. I was, like, well -known, well

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-respected. I kept getting recruited. I got recruited

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to one of the top research institutions in the

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country, University of Wisconsin. I was literally

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about to become full professor when I left academia.

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And so, like, I had a really good career. I was

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liked. Who wouldn't like me? I was just trying

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to help. You're not controversial. No, not controversial

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at all. So, actually, maybe started to get into

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a little of that before COVID because I became

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really interested. and a really aggressive proponent

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of high -dose IV vitamin C in septic shock, which

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just literally turns people in septic shock around.

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If you give it to them early enough, you can

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save lives like you have no idea. I started to

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run into little controversy there just but that

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was more just that was old school. It wasn't

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contrary. It was just old school differences

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of opinion. Right. So my colleagues were a little

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bit more staunch and a little bit more rigid.

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You know, just they need the rigorous, large,

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double blind, randomized control trial. We debated

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that. There was other things that I debated.

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I wouldn't say they were always friendly, but

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they were professional. There was no personal

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attacks. There was no professional sacrifices

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or harms that you suffered. You just went your

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way. So you were just kind of doing your thing,

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really caring about people, really caring about

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this global issue. it's at hand and um and then

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all of a sudden boom you're thrust into a major

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spotlight yeah would it what was that all how

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did that feel what was that all about when did

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that first happen i wish i have a little backstory

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yeah yeah what that spotlight what was going

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on i think the spotlight started maybe around

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the corticosteroid testimony because after that

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i got invited on a couple of like But this is

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small time, just like some local radio stations

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in Wisconsin. This is May of 2020, right? May

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of 2020, yeah. I certainly got attention from

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the University of Wisconsin who were coming after

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me, got into that fight and had to hire a lawyer

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to get them to back off. They tried to cancel

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you first. Yeah, yeah. Or actually more just

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keep me quiet. and not speak to the press or

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the public. In fact, they were trying to demand

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that I ask for permission before I go on and

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do any media. And that's actually a violation

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of First Amendment and also academic integrity

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and academic freedoms. Like, a professor should

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never have to ask for permission. to speak to

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the public. It should be unfettered, unobstructed.

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And my lawyer taught me that and taught them

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that too. Because after my lawyer sent that letter,

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I never heard from the leadership or administration

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of a university. I think it actually shamed them.

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because they were representing a top university

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in the world. And they were literally trying

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to infringe on the academic freedom of one of

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their professors. This is before May of 2020.

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This is May of 2020. This is right around that

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time. This is before Ivermectin. You had a smart

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lawyer. Yeah. Oh, he was great. He was great.

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But to your point about like the publicity thing,

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you know, my life changed overnight with that

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testimony on Ivermectin because I was really,

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I don't know if you guys know, know the backstory

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of why i was so impassioned during that because

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it went viral with our viewers yeah so what happened

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was i was waiting to testify and there's about

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eight of us we had varied levels of expertise

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but all of our expertise led to conclusions that

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were discordant or not in agreement with what

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was happening in the country and the consensus,

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right? Like, for instance, Jay Bhattacharya,

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who's the new NIA, he was on my panel. He testified,

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I think, right before me about the ludicrousness

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of the lockdowns. We had people talking about

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masks. We had various aspects of therapy. And

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I was there to talk about early treatment. You

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know, Peter McCall and Harvey Risch did hydroxychloroquine.

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I did ivermectin. And um what happened is as

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the hearing was november 2020 this was december

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8th 2020 close december 8th and what happened

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was and i hate to admit this and you guys have

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to forgive me for this but i used to vote democrat

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i used to vote democrat and i didn't pay much

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attention to politics i thought they were the

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good guys um i but again i was very superficial

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into politics okay What happened was at the beginning

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of the hearing, you had the majority party, which

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was the Republicans and Senator Johnson at the

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time, and then the ranking member in the party.

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And what's interesting is the Democrats didn't

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show up. The ranking member of the committee,

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this is the Homeland Security Committee, he showed

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up and he made some remarks which were so deeply

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offensive to me. basically dismissing us all,

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these experts who were fighting on the front

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lines. I was treating COVID patients. I was watching

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COVID patients die for six months. I was running

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ventilators, ICUs, working like you wouldn't

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believe. You were right there on the front lines.

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And this guy, this politician comes up and calls

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us, like, politically motivated. And I can't

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even remember what he said, but, like, I was,

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like, in a cartoon, like, when the face turns

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red. And I'm from New York. I got a temper. I

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used to get in a fair amount of street fights.

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I literally was like, are you? kidding me? This

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guy did not just say this to me. I'm the one

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out there on the front lines fighting this thing

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and he's going to tell me I'm here because I'm

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a politician. Is that video, is there public

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access to that? Yes, you can find in the Senate

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on Ron Johnson's on the Senate Homeland Security

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Committee site, you can see the whole testimony.

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Maybe Alex put a little clip of that in here.

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You've got to put that in because it'll show

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why later when it came my time to speak, I just

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went off. I was like, because i was stewing for

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an hour over what he said and thank you for uh

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holding this hearing i just want to start out

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i didn't think i'd have to say this but i want

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to register my offense at the ranking members

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opening statement i was discredited as a politician

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i am a physician and a man of science i have

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done nothing nothing but commit myself to scientific

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truth and the care of patients. And so it ended

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up leading me to be quite emotional and really,

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I don't know, maybe aggressive or passionate.

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And it turned out that... I think what I was

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saying, you know, there was anger, there was

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also expertise, and there was also solution.

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I think it resonated with a lot of people. And

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I didn't know that. So here I am, right? And

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you've heard stories from a lot of people who

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go viral for different reasons. And suddenly,

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and this wasn't really, it met the definition

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of viral, which I learned there is a definition.

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It's like a certain amount of views in a certain

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amount of hours. And it far exceeded that. But

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it's still like... like it has nothing to do

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with like what true celebrities are because i'll

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give you a very um i wouldn't say humbling moment

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but my video it was on the most watched site

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was on the fox news channel where they showed

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my video and my video got to like 8 million views

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before it got taken down i remember i was on

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youtube one day this is like A couple months

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later. And you know how you see all those clips

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like on the side that they suggest? And I noticed

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that there was an interview with some young blonde

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actress who was interviewing with like a Jimmy

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Kimmel or something. And I noticed that that

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little interview on Jimmy Kimmel's show was like

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15 million views. For an actress I didn't even

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know the name of. I was trying to put that into

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context. Some actress on a late night show gets

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15 million. Here I am trying to bring in the

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solution to the pandemic, and I got like 8 million.

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So it's not the same, you know. Still a lot of

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views. But it's still a lot of views. And the

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other interesting thing about that, and this

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isn't an ego thing. I was actually, it was really

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what, I'm not saying, not being falsely minded,

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honest it made me happy because more and more

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people are hearing the word especially the coolest

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thing that happened was after like um so what's

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interesting is while i was in the hearing room

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and as i testified i finished my phone's blowing

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up with my colleagues like paul america's like

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oh my god i love you you absolutely crushed it

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so everyone's very happy five minutes after i

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finish i get a text saying that fox news wants

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to interview me like right when i'm done Wow.

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So like someone at Fox News was like, we got

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to talk to them. I think they saw that it was

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an important thing that they just witnessed.

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And so I did my first interview walking out of

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there. It was a friendly interview? Yes, it was

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friendly. It definitely was friendly at that

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time. They were just very interested. But this

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is, I think, before they learned to be unfriendly,

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right? But no, that first one was friendly. But

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what was really cool is I started getting contact

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from little physician groups around the world,

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different countries, like in Austria, a group

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wanted me to talk to them, give lectures. So

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I was just giving Zoom lectures to various interested

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physician organizations. Just like naive and

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for the betterment of man, man, that's all you.

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doing yeah when did things go yeah at some point

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it turned right like at some point you were two

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days later it didn't take long okay so the first

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let's say the first adverse action okay And this

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just shows you how naive and how much we had

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to learn. But within 24 hours, we got a request

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from the Associated Press that they wanted to

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interview me. And we were like, this is amazing.

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It wasn't about me getting famous. It was like,

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we're going to get our message out through the

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Associated Press. You were naive at the time.

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You don't want a big Associated Press. They feed

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to every newspaper in the country. And we were

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like, we're literally going to change history

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by getting this information out. I get interviewed

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by this woman named Beatrice Dupuis. She's this

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young former fashion reporter. Interview's pretty

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straightforward. I am burying her with data and

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how much I know that ivermectin works, the people

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I've talked to around the world, the studies

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that I had in hand, how I had already seen people

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turn around. And, like, she was pretty deferential,

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a little contrarian, like asking a couple of,

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like, I wouldn't say difficult questions, but,

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like, skeptical. But I thought it went really

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well. Interview ends and 24 hours later, headline.

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is ivermectin not a miracle drug for covid and

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then it goes into me and what i said and then

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they use other doctors quoting that you know

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i am over my skis that's my term you know just

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like insufficient evidence you have to have good

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quality and then they talk they almost brought

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it up like um it's like another drug to be debunked

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like hydroxychloroquine in fact that line might

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have been in there And me and my colleagues were

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so disturbed by what that interview led to in

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terms of an article that we filed an ethics complaint

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with the Associated Press. And I got to tell

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you, it got their attention. And you know how

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we know that is because during our discussions

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with various leadership at the Associated Press,

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they did a mistaken reply all. So like the president

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or the CEO, I can't remember who it was, the

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CEO of Associated Press replied all to the colleagues.

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So the head of ethics and then like the president.

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And all he said was one line. He said, he said,

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you know, just buy some time with these guys.

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Wow. So you could tell they were a little uncomfortable

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that we were starting to make noise with an ethics

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complaint. And then like within five days, they

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came back with they reviewed the case and everything.

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They found no ethical concerns. With their reporting.

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None. None. That what she said was true. It's

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not a miracle drug. Okay, yes, of course it's

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not a miracle drug. No miracle drug. I don't

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even know what the definition of a miracle drug

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is. Even though it did win the Nobel Prize. But

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we won't call that a miracle. But to your question,

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so that was the first thing, right? And that

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was our first sobering awakening. How you felt.

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I want to go to the feelings of it because...

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You know, I was in a similar situation, and I

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want to hear, like, how did it hit you? I mean,

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you're an esteemed doctor that people would study

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under you. You were innovative, you were creative,

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and you just want to help humanity. What did

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it feel like when you read that? I'm going to

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say this, though. That article was somewhat personal,

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but it... It wasn't as mean or as judgmental

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as what would come later. I didn't feel personally

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hurt as much as severely disappointed that this

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opportunity had been missed to get really important

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information out to not only the country but the

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world. Because what I've also learned in COVID

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is the way the U .S. goes, a lot of the world

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follows, especially the FDA and the NIH. All

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of the Philippines, a lot of the South American

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countries, they follow what the FDA does. So

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tell us about the articles that hit your soul.

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I'll tell you the time when I really was, I almost

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couldn't sleep. What happened next? So the next

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adverse action against me was my review paper.

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So I had finished my review paper a few weeks

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before the testimony. Found a journal right around

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the time of my testimony, and I submitted it

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for peer review and publication. Actually, my

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editor, it was a special issue of an important

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journal, and the editor of the special issue

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was Robert Malone because he knew that it was

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really important to get information around repurposed

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drugs. So he proposed this issue on the use of

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repurposed drugs. against COVID. So there were

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numbers of other papers on repurposed drugs.

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Mine was on ivermectin. I submitted it, went

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through three rounds of peer review with top

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scientists that Robert knew from NIH, CDC, or

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NIH and FDA. And I finally passed peer review.

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and it was accepted for publication and what

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happened next is that it was an online journal

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i paid for the um open access right so you don't

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have to pay for the anybody could have gone to

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the website downloaded it um but they wouldn't

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publish it and so day after day week after week

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went by this is in the winter of 21 this is like

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late january early february of 2021 which is

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if you look at all the curves and deaths that

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was the peak of all the dying And they weren't

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publishing it. And finally, I would write to

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the representatives of the journal like, hey,

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what's the holdup? I haven't seen the proofs.

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I haven't seen, you know, because normally you

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have to go over the proofs and the layout. They're

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not sending me anything. And then finally, I

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wrote them an email and I said, I suspect. scientific

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misconduct. And I will go public unless I get

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an answer. You were censored. This was your first

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experience. This is my first censoring experience.

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So when I wrote that, within a day, Robert got

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a call from the chief editor of all the journals

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that this journal was part of the family of.

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And basically what this guy explained to Robert

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is that they weren't going to publish the paper

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for a number of reasons. Number one, they hired

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an anonymous. third -party reviewer who claimed

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that my conclusions were not supported by my

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data. This is after I passed peer review by senior

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scientists in government. They get some anonymous

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guy saying that the paper is not supported by

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the data. And then they also said that they don't

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want to work with me because of my behavior.

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And that's actually what crushed me because of

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this threatening email that I had sent to the

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journal, which is... Now I look back and almost

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laugh that I felt bad, but I really felt that

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my personal behavior, my criticizing kind of

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attack in the journal, had led to deaths because

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that is part of the reason why they retracted

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my paper from publication. I thought I played

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a personal role. My behavior somehow brought

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about what happened, and it devastated me. I

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think it devastated me. Wait, so I didn't understand

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that. So basically you're saying that... You

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thought the reason they didn't write about the

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paper was because you threatened them. Well,

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actually, I could be more clear. What happened

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was normally when anyone has a problem with what

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you're writing, what you're trying to argue.

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Yeah. you revise it so they give you corrections

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and then you do revisions and so i pleaded i

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was like what do you mean retracted yeah you

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know i just went through peer review if there's

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if your reviewer has an issue with something

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i wrote or something i interpreted i'm happy

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to do revisions and i offered yeah to do and

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i often even to mute my conclusions because remember

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my conclusion of that paper in the original peer

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reviewed and accepted was that we recommend the

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systematic deployment of ivermectin in the prevention

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and treatment of COVID worldwide. Pretty big

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conclusion. And I was willing to soften. I mean,

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I knew I was playing a game and I knew I was

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up against forces that didn't want me to say

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that. So I was trying to get something in. But

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when the answer was that, no, we're not going

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to work with him. because of his behavior and

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I'm paraphrasing what it said but it was really

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a personal they didn't like how I had behaved

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and so they weren't going to go through a revision

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process that bothered me at the time now I laugh

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that I thought that they were never going to

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publish it no matter what and but at the time

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I literally thought that I was responsible for

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blowing up the opportunity to get this thing

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I mean whenever you're canceled or We often go

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there and we think, what did I do? Yes. Some

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sense of ownership that I did something. You

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can't help but feel guilty. When somebody does

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something to tell you that they don't like you

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or they don't like you for something that you

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did, you can't help but immediately feel a little

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bit guilty. No, we went through that as well.

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I mean, I lost. I had kids crying because their

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parents were yanking them out of the school.

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And I cried thinking, like, did I do something

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wrong? Because this child is crying because they

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don't want to leave my school, but the parent

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is yanking them out. Could I have done something

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differently? It's your fault. You get to feel

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it. I felt like that. I felt like I let down

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this child so I can understand. But now I understand

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it was all an entire propaganda machine after

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me, which is what you figured out as well. That

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was really – those first few days, I remember

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feeling terrible, terrible. And I'll tell you,

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another time that I really – Did you cry? I wasn't

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crying. I couldn't sleep. I felt really like

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– you know you have like that pit in your stomach

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so i'm walking around all day just feeling crappy

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not feeling good not wanting to want to work

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because i just felt really bad and and i wanted

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that feeling to go away right probably had a

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few more drinks than i should have those days

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but like just you know i just didn't feel like

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sitting in that kind of crap and the same thing

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so yeah and so i'll tell you another um another

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time where i remember feeling really low and

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this is an interesting one so fast forward So

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what we're talking about here is we're February

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of 21. Over the next year, I keep advocating,

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working with my organization. We're putting out

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more and more information. I'm writing white

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paper, showing all the evidence around iFormact,

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and I'm doing lots of interviews in media. especially

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in other countries and so like and i was testifying

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in parliaments around the world like in different

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countries and stuff i was helping different groups

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like i was endlessly busy trying i i wouldn't

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say i was an evangelist but i literally was trying

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to promote the use of ivermectin to help people

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and then come to november of 2021 um i'm in my

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third job in covet right so my first john at

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the university i resigned because i was uh I'm

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morally and ethically objecting to how they were

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responding to COVID. This supportive care only

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nonsense. I refuse to watch. I was watching people

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die in that ventilators that were never improving.

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They were just slowly deteriorating to death

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and they weren't treating. I said, I'm out. My

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second job, I lost the day after my ivermectin

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testimony, and that's an interesting, somewhat

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funny in hindsight, reason why I lost. But when

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I gave the testimony, the chevron at the bottom

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or whatever, is that what you call it, like the

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little thing at the bottom of the screen? I think

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it's a checker. Yeah, whatever the banner thing

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is. What is it called, Alex? Chiron. Chiron,

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that's it, chiron. So the chiron or the banner

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at the bottom of the screen said, the institution

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I worked for at the time, which was in Milwaukee.

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And so basically the institution I worked for,

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they were like, what the hell? You just went

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in front of the country and started talking about

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ivermectin and made it sound like you were a

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spokesman for our institution. I never said I

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was a spokesman for them. In fact, in my speech,

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I talked about how I was representing my nonprofit,

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but it didn't say my nonprofit at the bottom.

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It said my institution. And so they flipped because

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the next day, in the next few days, Their phones

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were ringing off the hook. Everyone in the country

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wanted to see Dr. Corey or get ivermectin. So

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they were calling Milwaukee. And so the leadership

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there were so pissed. And I'm sure they're controlled

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by the government because they're getting a lot

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of government funding, and you jeopardize that.

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I'm sure it's all of the above. And so what they

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told me, they called me like a day and a half

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later. They said, we need to meet. Do not talk

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to the press. And until we meet, we're meeting

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tonight, your boss and then the chief medical

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officer and someone else were going to meet with

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me. And I remember I was fairly prescient at

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the time already. And I said to them, I said,

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they said, you know, we're going to revise the

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terms of your contract. So they weren't firing

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me, but they were offering a new contract. And

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I told them in that first phone call, I said,

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I'm just going to let you know, if you put. any

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restrictions on my ability to speak publicly

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in that contract, we don't have to have the meeting.

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And sure enough, six hours later, we have the

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meeting. What do they do? While we're meeting,

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they email me the contract. And so I'm opening,

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they asked me to open it up on my computer, open

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it up. There's literally like six restrictions

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to me being able to speak publicly. And I said,

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I told you, we don't really need to meet. It

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was a pretty short meeting. And so I lost my

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second job there. So they canceled you? They

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canceled me. And again, Was that out of self

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-preservation that I was a loudmouth and they

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didn't want a loudmouth doctor? I think there

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is some of that. I think they had their own reasons

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to not want somebody behind the scenes. You were

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stating the other side, which everybody should

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hear both sides so they can make a decision.

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I gave a professional opinion that somehow they

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perceived it was going to be attached to their

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institution that they didn't necessarily believe

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in. They didn't do the research. They didn't

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know that Ivermectin was— The Board of Trustees

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might be composed of some influential—some people

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that are influenced by outside parties. It's

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also the Midwest. Wisconsin is not known for

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its swashbuckling, you know, cowboy risk -taking

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culture. I mean, these are rule followers. They

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drive 20 miles an hour. in a 20 mile an hour

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speed limit. Now I'm like a loud New Yorker.

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So there's some other aspects there too. But

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the point of what I want to say is the other

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time that I felt really, I actually didn't feel

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that terrible. I actually felt bad for my boss

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because I liked him and he spent a long time

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recruiting me. And I know he was disappointed

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in me. And I feel like he probably got some crap

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for hiring me and not knowing that I was going

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to testify in the Senate. So I kind of felt bad

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just on a personal level with him. But what happened

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was my next job, I was out of the ICU for a few

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months just doing my nonprofit work. And then

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I missed being a doctor. I wanted to go back

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to bedside. So then I became an independent contractor.

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And I worked in South Carolina in Greenville

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for a few months running ICUs there. And then

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I went back to central Wisconsin. And I was really

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happy at that last job. I was making really good

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money because as a contractor, you make good

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money. And I loved my partners. They were so

00:25:40.849 --> 00:25:43.470
happy to have me join them because they knew

00:25:43.470 --> 00:25:46.910
my work prior to COVID. They owned my book, like

00:25:46.910 --> 00:25:49.309
my ultrasound textbook. So they knew they were

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getting like this master ultrasound expert and

00:25:51.450 --> 00:25:53.049
a COVID expert. You were famous before you were

00:25:53.049 --> 00:25:55.750
infamous. So I came. I taught them my protocols,

00:25:55.970 --> 00:25:57.750
how I was teaching. And like we were getting

00:25:57.750 --> 00:26:00.710
along great. The nurses loved me. But what happened

00:26:00.710 --> 00:26:04.430
was. The chief medical officer was sending my

00:26:04.430 --> 00:26:07.750
partners emails, basically telling them to get

00:26:07.750 --> 00:26:10.289
rid of Corey. And he would send articles like

00:26:10.289 --> 00:26:12.970
hit job articles, you know, and about fringe

00:26:12.970 --> 00:26:16.029
quack, radical, whatever, anti -vaxxer. And he

00:26:16.029 --> 00:26:18.490
was just saying, get rid of Corey. And they said,

00:26:18.549 --> 00:26:21.410
if Corey goes, we go. And it was very hard to

00:26:21.410 --> 00:26:23.230
recruit there. So they were protecting me. They

00:26:23.230 --> 00:26:27.319
protected me for six months until one day. I

00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.319
got home after a long weekend and I woke up.

00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:31.960
I was supposed to go back into work. It was like

00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:34.319
a Monday or Tuesday. And the chief of the ICU,

00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:36.819
the guy who had hired me, he just called me up

00:26:36.819 --> 00:26:39.339
and he said, hey, Pierre, we don't need you anymore,

00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:42.720
man. And I was like, what? He's like, I'm really

00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:45.240
sorry. He's like, we don't need you anymore.

00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:49.579
And then he told me why. Apparently, this is

00:26:49.579 --> 00:26:53.180
what's called a sham peer review. That's the

00:26:53.180 --> 00:26:55.309
term in medicine. When they want to get rid of

00:26:55.309 --> 00:26:57.490
a doctor, they make up stuff about the doctor,

00:26:57.690 --> 00:26:59.930
put it in the record, and then get rid of the

00:26:59.930 --> 00:27:01.750
doctor. Now, they didn't have to fire me. I was

00:27:01.750 --> 00:27:03.490
a contractor, right? So it was literally a phone

00:27:03.490 --> 00:27:05.250
call. We don't need you anymore. That's how it

00:27:05.250 --> 00:27:07.609
ended. Normally, when you're employed and on

00:27:07.609 --> 00:27:09.990
staff, it's a much more arduous. Like, that's

00:27:09.990 --> 00:27:12.490
what happened to Paul Merrick. They ran the Shampere

00:27:12.490 --> 00:27:14.230
review of a Shampere. Because Paul had been there

00:27:14.230 --> 00:27:15.930
for 30 years, never had one patient complain.

00:27:16.369 --> 00:27:19.029
They devised nine different complaints on him,

00:27:19.190 --> 00:27:21.849
put him before what I will call a tribunal, and

00:27:21.849 --> 00:27:24.750
they took his privileges. career ended so his

00:27:24.750 --> 00:27:28.269
was psychologically so damaging what happened

00:27:28.269 --> 00:27:30.750
to Paul for me it was a phone call but I was

00:27:30.750 --> 00:27:32.950
really I was really upset because I liked that

00:27:32.950 --> 00:27:36.210
job and I was doing a good job at that job and

00:27:36.210 --> 00:27:38.329
he told me what the complaint was that I had

00:27:38.329 --> 00:27:40.569
apparently told somebody in the ER to not get

00:27:40.569 --> 00:27:44.130
vaccinated and what was interesting is I hadn't

00:27:44.130 --> 00:27:46.190
been in because remember I'm ICU I hadn't been

00:27:46.190 --> 00:27:49.210
in the emergency room for two weeks I thought

00:27:49.210 --> 00:27:50.549
it was really interesting that they called me

00:27:50.549 --> 00:27:52.630
on that day to tell me about this event that

00:27:52.630 --> 00:27:55.160
I had apparently done. The only time I could

00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:57.240
have done two weeks prior. But you know what

00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:00.019
that firing was timed with? It was timed with

00:28:00.019 --> 00:28:02.759
the mandates. So they knew I wasn't vaccinated.

00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.420
So this is November of 21, and the CMO was calling

00:28:07.420 --> 00:28:10.059
me. Hey, we have to prepare for holidays. We

00:28:10.059 --> 00:28:12.500
need contingency planning for the schedule. We

00:28:12.500 --> 00:28:13.680
want to know if you're getting vaccinated. I

00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:15.200
was like, let me think about it. The only thing

00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:16.299
I had to think about was whether I was going

00:28:16.299 --> 00:28:18.460
to do the fake card or just say no thank you.

00:28:18.500 --> 00:28:21.400
So there was no thinking about vaccination. And

00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:27.119
I decided to get a fake card. And so he called

00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:29.319
me on Wednesday, and I said, I need some time

00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:30.519
to think about it. He's like, I'll call you tomorrow.

00:28:30.660 --> 00:28:33.180
I'm like, no, give me two days. Friday, he calls

00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:35.619
me. And I said, you know, I thought about it.

00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:37.059
I was like, no big deal, whatever. I'll just

00:28:37.059 --> 00:28:39.799
get vaccinated. And we hung up the phone. That's

00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:42.339
Friday. And when do I get fired? Monday morning.

00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.440
You think they were related? They were thinking

00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.480
that I was gone over the van mandate. But once

00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.099
I told them I was getting vaccinated, they fired

00:28:50.099 --> 00:28:52.380
me. But here's the point to that story, though.

00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:55.420
I got to tell you, it was weird. At that point,

00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:57.839
I was pretty wise. I'd learned a lot about the

00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.339
world. I understood somewhat what I was up against.

00:29:00.500 --> 00:29:02.220
I knew what these people were capable of. When

00:29:02.220 --> 00:29:04.240
I say these people, people way beyond these,

00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:08.799
you know, the CMO of this hospital. But it didn't

00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.940
take away the feeling of feeling really bad.

00:29:12.250 --> 00:29:14.789
I felt like a really bad doctor. I'd never been

00:29:14.789 --> 00:29:17.109
fired before. I just got fired. You know what

00:29:17.109 --> 00:29:18.730
it feels like to get fired? Even though when

00:29:18.730 --> 00:29:21.569
you know that it's unjust and illegitimate, I

00:29:21.569 --> 00:29:25.210
felt... I remember just feeling bad. I just felt

00:29:25.210 --> 00:29:28.819
bad. I felt icky. I felt like I... could have

00:29:28.819 --> 00:29:30.480
and should and then i was thinking about because

00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.720
i probably said something to someone in the depths

00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:35.819
of the er like yeah i wouldn't get vaccinated

00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:37.599
either i'm sure i said something like this i

00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.400
was thinking like is that what i got fired but

00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:41.319
then i i knew it wasn't that because i remember

00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:44.319
i reviewed the timing and everything but i just

00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:46.339
to answer your question david like that that

00:29:46.339 --> 00:29:48.880
that actually getting fired like that really

00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.160
bothered me getting my paper retracted really

00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:54.309
emotionally bothered me I got to tell you, I

00:29:54.309 --> 00:29:57.650
got pretty used to the media hit jobs. Those

00:29:57.650 --> 00:30:01.609
almost became funny because they were so predictable.

00:30:01.750 --> 00:30:07.549
Yeah, the media hit jobs of fringe quack and

00:30:07.549 --> 00:30:10.369
they would use pictures of me like really angry

00:30:10.369 --> 00:30:12.849
or like, it's just like whatever. Memes, yeah.

00:30:14.210 --> 00:30:17.069
But when they called to say you're fired, were

00:30:17.069 --> 00:30:19.980
you like... it hits your ego a little bit as

00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:23.599
well right it that's the thing it was it did

00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.240
make me feel bad i felt less than that i wasn't

00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.180
good enough that like why would they fire you

00:30:29.180 --> 00:30:31.440
know we all have a high opinion over like why

00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:33.619
would they fire such a good guy you know like

00:30:33.619 --> 00:30:35.420
and i mean i'm just trying to make a joke there

00:30:35.420 --> 00:30:37.519
but like i just it didn't compute and i didn't

00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:40.539
like it and it led to a really bad um you know

00:30:40.539 --> 00:30:43.119
conclusion but i gotta tell you one other thing

00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:46.220
that my friend the chief of the ICU, told me

00:30:46.220 --> 00:30:49.019
in that conversation is right before we hung

00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:52.420
up, he said, hey, Pierre, he said, listen, man,

00:30:52.420 --> 00:30:55.220
the way I see all this is like, this is a war

00:30:55.220 --> 00:31:00.599
and you're a casualty. That's how he, and I said,

00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:02.700
you know what? I appreciate that, Chris. And

00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:04.799
I remember saying this to him because I really

00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.180
wanted my job. I liked that job. I remember saying

00:31:07.180 --> 00:31:09.819
that. I was like, hey, Chris, if things ever

00:31:09.819 --> 00:31:12.480
calm down again and we're out of this nonsense.

00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.059
I was like, if you ever wanted me to come back

00:31:15.059 --> 00:31:17.039
and work, I would. He said, I'll definitely call

00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.400
you. Now, I don't know if he was just saying

00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.160
that. Sure, I'll call you, Pierre. Like if he

00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.660
was like winking on the other line. But I'd like

00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:26.799
to believe that he was sincere because he's the

00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:28.640
one who volunteered that statement. He said,

00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.740
you know, this is a war and you're a casualty.

00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.119
It was a war, though. November of 21. It was

00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.400
a war. And did you get depressed? Did it take

00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.859
you a while to come out of it? That's a really

00:31:40.859 --> 00:31:43.220
good question because it actually only lasted

00:31:43.220 --> 00:31:45.500
two or three days. I remember three days later,

00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.460
I think I had kind of right -sized it in my perception.

00:31:49.579 --> 00:31:52.849
I think I'd come, I probably spent... A few days

00:31:52.849 --> 00:31:55.349
ruminating and maybe out of self -preservation,

00:31:55.410 --> 00:31:57.130
I came to the conclusion that I actually was

00:31:57.130 --> 00:31:59.869
a good guy and I didn't do anything wrong and

00:31:59.869 --> 00:32:03.750
I'm just fine. And what got you out? Was it praying,

00:32:04.049 --> 00:32:07.829
God, your wife? I can't. What pulled you out?

00:32:08.829 --> 00:32:12.670
Probably, I would say the support of my newfound

00:32:12.670 --> 00:32:15.130
friends and colleagues and my family. I think

00:32:15.130 --> 00:32:19.009
they understood. My parents understood. My ex

00:32:19.009 --> 00:32:22.650
-wife understood at the time. Did you lose friends

00:32:22.650 --> 00:32:24.910
and family along the way as these things were

00:32:24.910 --> 00:32:28.950
unfolding? I would say, this is a really cool

00:32:28.950 --> 00:32:30.950
question, because I'm going to say I gained so

00:32:30.950 --> 00:32:34.539
many. I got to meet. and interact and build this

00:32:34.539 --> 00:32:37.180
huge social and professional network of the best

00:32:37.180 --> 00:32:39.460
people in the world and i hate to say like this

00:32:39.460 --> 00:32:41.220
but these are the people who got this stuff right

00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:43.720
that navigated this right figured it out the

00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:46.779
right way fought on the right side and so that's

00:32:46.779 --> 00:32:50.660
the positive now what did i lose here's the thing

00:32:50.660 --> 00:32:52.799
right i've been an educator for so long i used

00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.700
to run a training program for a doctor's training

00:32:55.700 --> 00:33:00.579
in my specialty and so i have i have like years

00:33:00.579 --> 00:33:04.559
and years of residents fellows students who really

00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.539
liked me and and and they would reach out even

00:33:07.539 --> 00:33:09.960
difficult cases or just every few months three

00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.240
six months like an old fellow would who's now

00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.359
like his own big boss attending somewhere he's

00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:15.779
just like hey pierre how you doing what are you

00:33:15.779 --> 00:33:18.039
up to you know or they'll send me like a cool

00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:20.980
ultrasound clip like we had like this kind of

00:33:20.980 --> 00:33:24.880
you know collegial relationship and i'll answer

00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.039
your question there by saying my my phone got

00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:31.039
real quiet with the old guys like most of my

00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.299
old colleagues with a couple of exceptions like

00:33:33.299 --> 00:33:37.079
there's this one fellow uh ravi nalamatu who's

00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.220
actually in florida um i'm gonna call him out

00:33:39.220 --> 00:33:40.859
by name because he was just so lovely because

00:33:40.859 --> 00:33:45.539
he um he's a special guy he was a psychiatry

00:33:45.539 --> 00:33:48.640
resident doing a rotation in internal medicine

00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:51.230
and i was his resident After working with me

00:33:51.230 --> 00:33:53.369
for a month, he switched into internal medicine.

00:33:53.890 --> 00:33:56.829
Then when I became a fellow in pulmonary critical

00:33:56.829 --> 00:33:59.769
care, he did a rotation with me. And then he

00:33:59.769 --> 00:34:01.309
went into pulmonary critical care. So he's like

00:34:01.309 --> 00:34:03.549
literally the definition of like my protege.

00:34:03.890 --> 00:34:07.109
And he never wavered. He would like throughout

00:34:07.109 --> 00:34:09.710
the pandemic, he'd be like, keep going, man.

00:34:09.750 --> 00:34:12.110
You're on it. And he would give me a little information

00:34:12.110 --> 00:34:14.730
of what he was saying. And so there was a couple

00:34:14.730 --> 00:34:17.500
of exceptions. But most went quiet, especially

00:34:17.500 --> 00:34:20.059
my former, like, close colleagues that I ran

00:34:20.059 --> 00:34:23.579
ICUs and ran departments with. They went real

00:34:23.579 --> 00:34:26.039
quiet on me. It's a lonely feeling when you're

00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:28.119
going through the cancellation journey. Yeah.

00:34:28.219 --> 00:34:30.420
Right? What about kids? Did you have kids? Yeah,

00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.699
I have three daughters with my ex -wife. And,

00:34:32.699 --> 00:34:38.900
yeah, they were, oh, boy. They were mostly supportive.

00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:41.239
I think they trusted their father. I think they

00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.460
very quickly understood that their father was

00:34:43.460 --> 00:34:46.139
in a unique situation and was really just putting

00:34:46.139 --> 00:34:50.960
out his expertise and study. And one daughter,

00:34:51.099 --> 00:34:54.699
I think, took a little time. She, and you're

00:34:54.699 --> 00:34:56.920
going to understand and empathize with this,

00:34:56.980 --> 00:35:01.019
because she went to a private school. And this

00:35:01.019 --> 00:35:03.739
was, I think, August of 21. What were their ages?

00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:10.320
The time right now, they're 20, 18 and 13. So

00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.219
this isn't 21 to be three years ago. So she was

00:35:13.219 --> 00:35:16.900
probably 17. But at her private school, they

00:35:16.900 --> 00:35:19.860
announced in August before school started that

00:35:19.860 --> 00:35:23.219
any unvaccinated kid would have to wear a mask

00:35:23.219 --> 00:35:27.230
all day. And again, I don't want to go into my

00:35:27.230 --> 00:35:29.750
daughters too much, but two of them had catastrophic

00:35:29.750 --> 00:35:32.789
cases of pandas and they're immunosuppressed.

00:35:32.789 --> 00:35:35.710
They have immunodeficiencies and they already

00:35:35.710 --> 00:35:37.730
have a vaccine associated disease. There's no

00:35:37.730 --> 00:35:40.090
way in hell I would ever let them get vaccinated.

00:35:40.329 --> 00:35:42.230
Now, my daughter doesn't know the harms of vaccines.

00:35:42.730 --> 00:35:46.829
She was destroyed at the idea that she was going

00:35:46.829 --> 00:35:50.929
to go to her junior year in high school. with

00:35:50.929 --> 00:35:54.530
the scarlet letter M on her face, right? You

00:35:54.530 --> 00:35:56.849
know, the small cohort of kids who didn't get

00:35:56.849 --> 00:35:59.570
vaccinated. Now, what's interesting is by the

00:35:59.570 --> 00:36:01.710
time school rolled around, they went back to

00:36:01.710 --> 00:36:03.750
masking everybody. So she didn't have to stick

00:36:03.750 --> 00:36:05.849
out like that. But I remember she was crying

00:36:05.849 --> 00:36:07.730
because she'd had COVID a couple of times and

00:36:07.730 --> 00:36:10.909
she thought it was because we weren't vaccinating

00:36:10.909 --> 00:36:12.650
her, right? She's believing all this. So she

00:36:12.650 --> 00:36:15.699
was very, very upset. But I would say that didn't

00:36:15.699 --> 00:36:18.559
last long. I think over time she realized how

00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:20.900
bad the vaccines were and what they were doing.

00:36:21.179 --> 00:36:23.860
And since then, my kids, and especially since

00:36:23.860 --> 00:36:25.780
the publication of my book. But at the time,

00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.820
though, when she's up, because, you know, we

00:36:28.820 --> 00:36:30.900
have two young girls and they can get very emotional.

00:36:31.619 --> 00:36:33.880
How are you taking it that your daughter was

00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:39.000
like mad at you because she thought. Good cop,

00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:42.719
bad cop. remove myself from my ex -wife primary

00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:47.099
reassurances. I just like, yeah, she was blaming

00:36:47.099 --> 00:36:50.239
it on me. And, uh, but the, the funny thing is,

00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.480
is my ex -wife was in full agreement that we

00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.619
wouldn't vaccinate. Yeah. But, and I think I

00:36:55.619 --> 00:36:57.840
just gave her space, you know, I wasn't going

00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.380
to try to convince her. I was going to have a

00:36:59.380 --> 00:37:02.199
data argument with her. I did try that. I tried

00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:05.820
to send her some data as to why I really didn't

00:37:05.820 --> 00:37:08.000
want her. I was, I was using VAERS at the time.

00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.980
Um, now I could probably. put a stack of data

00:37:11.980 --> 00:37:14.260
17 feet high. But at the time, I had done a VAERS

00:37:14.260 --> 00:37:16.780
analysis that was so troubling of young kids

00:37:16.780 --> 00:37:20.440
dying hours, day after the vaccine and stuff.

00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.260
But I just gave her time, and she came around.

00:37:23.380 --> 00:37:26.519
But now I think my kids really appreciate me,

00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:28.679
and I think they understand how important I am.

00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.239
Each one of my kids have been told by friends

00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:35.019
or parents of their friends how much they respect.

00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:39.780
Their father. My daughter's a freshman at University

00:37:39.780 --> 00:37:42.019
of Colorado in Boulder. And so her and her friends

00:37:42.019 --> 00:37:44.579
are looking for an apartment for next year. And

00:37:44.579 --> 00:37:48.059
they're with some broker, a realty company. And

00:37:48.059 --> 00:37:50.579
so she's going to look at apartments. And the

00:37:50.579 --> 00:37:52.860
realtor who was taking my daughter to see these

00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:56.840
apartments says to her, like, You related to

00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:59.480
Dr. Pierre Kory because she saw that her name

00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:03.760
was K -O -R -Y is a very rare name. And so my

00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:05.900
daughter's like, yeah, that's my father. And

00:38:05.900 --> 00:38:10.690
the broker freaks out. She's like, no. I followed

00:38:10.690 --> 00:38:12.969
him since the beginning. He helped me so much.

00:38:12.989 --> 00:38:15.090
And, you know, the information, I really appreciate

00:38:15.090 --> 00:38:18.590
it. And she just like was heaping praise on me

00:38:18.590 --> 00:38:21.590
to my daughter. And that's really cool. You know,

00:38:21.590 --> 00:38:24.969
when your teenage daughter is like, wow, my dad

00:38:24.969 --> 00:38:29.050
must be pretty cool. It's pretty, it's fun. It's

00:38:29.050 --> 00:38:33.199
funny because. Now we get that a lot. Oh, now

00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:35.360
you do. Now we do. But in the heat of it, you

00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.119
feel like the world is coming at you. And now

00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:39.780
it's funny when people go to Setner Wellness,

00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.019
they're like, you know, I couldn't believe you

00:38:42.019 --> 00:38:43.860
opened a wellness center. I've been following

00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:46.500
you since the school. You know what, though?

00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:49.719
Just give me one more anecdote. You guys may

00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:51.699
want to use this instead because it's even better.

00:38:51.820 --> 00:38:54.139
So actually the best anecdote in this regard

00:38:54.139 --> 00:38:57.239
with my kids was actually like two years ago.

00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:02.210
Same daughter. You know, in high school, back

00:39:02.210 --> 00:39:04.869
in Madison, and she goes to lunch with her friends.

00:39:04.909 --> 00:39:06.610
They're in the car. They all have driver's licenses.

00:39:06.670 --> 00:39:08.269
They're going in the car to Chick -fil -A, whatever

00:39:08.269 --> 00:39:10.880
they do every day. Which is terrible food, but

00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:13.920
I guess. So they're going there and apparently

00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.840
the conversation in the car is somebody mentions

00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:19.820
that Eve's dad was on Joe Rogan. And so one of

00:39:19.820 --> 00:39:24.239
her friends literally goes to them, no way, your

00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.440
father was on Joe Rogan? Get out. And they're

00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.639
all like, yeah. And then one of them's like,

00:39:30.699 --> 00:39:32.320
yeah, I watch his stuff all the time. So like

00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:35.280
literally my daughter's close friends in high

00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:39.639
school like. follow my stuff watch my stuff and

00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.739
they all like watch the joe rogan episode i mean

00:39:42.739 --> 00:39:44.900
what's cooler than having your teenage daughter's

00:39:44.900 --> 00:39:47.179
friends think you're like that's a great episode

00:39:47.179 --> 00:39:49.920
everybody should re -watch that there you go

00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.599
great episode but yeah any those those are some

00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:54.639
of the high points so i want to talk to you a

00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:57.000
little bit about the disinformation playbook

00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:02.099
because i feel like um i didn't know about this

00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:04.519
playbook first of all it was totally played on

00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:08.510
me and um I'd like for you to go over it a little

00:40:08.510 --> 00:40:11.269
bit. And we pulled it up on the screen as well.

00:40:11.909 --> 00:40:14.909
That summarizes it a little bit. What is this

00:40:14.909 --> 00:40:17.949
all about? Let me tell you how I discovered it.

00:40:18.489 --> 00:40:21.809
Let me tell you how I discovered it. So it was

00:40:21.809 --> 00:40:25.650
March of 2021. And I woke up one morning and

00:40:25.650 --> 00:40:27.849
I get this email from someone I don't know. And

00:40:27.849 --> 00:40:30.429
it's from a professor named William B. Grant.

00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:33.559
Turns out he's like one of the most published

00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:36.579
researchers on vitamin D in the world. And he

00:40:36.579 --> 00:40:38.980
writes me a two line email. It says, dear Dr.

00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:43.260
Corey, what they're doing to ivermectin, they've

00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:46.519
been doing to vitamin D for decades. And he includes

00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.639
a link to that article. I'm like, who is this?

00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.400
What is he talking about? You know, I click on

00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:54.079
the link and that's when like literally like

00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:56.059
my, you know, light, whatever the metaphors,

00:40:56.059 --> 00:40:59.000
light bulbs are exploding. And like suddenly

00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.559
I can see the world clearly because. What that

00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:04.139
article shows, it basically, it's called the

00:41:04.139 --> 00:41:06.260
disinformation playbook. We have it mapped out

00:41:06.260 --> 00:41:10.260
on the screen. It outlines the tactics that industries

00:41:10.260 --> 00:41:13.119
deploy when science emerges that's inconvenient

00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.760
to their, let's be honest, financial interests,

00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.019
right? Ivermectin science is highly inconvenient

00:41:19.019 --> 00:41:21.539
to pharma, right, with all the profits from the

00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:25.360
vaccines, Paxlovid, Remdesivir, Molipiravir.

00:41:26.809 --> 00:41:29.409
I'm reading this article and these tactics were

00:41:29.409 --> 00:41:32.630
actually developed by a PR firm hired by the

00:41:32.630 --> 00:41:35.730
tobacco industry in the 1950s after Babe Ruth

00:41:35.730 --> 00:41:38.750
got jaw cancer. They had a problem on there.

00:41:38.809 --> 00:41:42.090
Babe Ruth was like one of the biggest ad salesmen

00:41:42.090 --> 00:41:44.469
for cigarettes at the time. And he was like always

00:41:44.469 --> 00:41:46.809
smoking and probably on the field smoking while

00:41:46.809 --> 00:41:49.230
he's swinging a bat. Then he gets jaw cancer

00:41:49.230 --> 00:41:52.230
and more and more reports are coming out that

00:41:52.230 --> 00:41:54.429
smokers are getting cancer. And so they develop

00:41:54.429 --> 00:41:57.639
these tactics to try. to suppress and distort

00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:02.099
the evidence of harm of cigarettes. And since

00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:05.000
that time, they've perfected those, and they've

00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.559
become even more powerful because of their levers

00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:11.420
which control media agencies. And they weren't

00:42:11.420 --> 00:42:13.980
always in control of the media. No. Because at

00:42:13.980 --> 00:42:17.059
some point, they weren't allowed to market. You're

00:42:17.059 --> 00:42:19.539
right. No, you had independent media, right?

00:42:19.579 --> 00:42:22.119
And you couldn't advertise cigarettes on TV,

00:42:22.219 --> 00:42:23.900
right? So they didn't have as much control over

00:42:23.900 --> 00:42:26.659
television stations, whereas Pharma runs almost

00:42:26.659 --> 00:42:28.920
all major media because it's the single biggest

00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.340
source of advertising revenue. It's new, too.

00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.519
That is new. Yeah. So you can see how disinformation,

00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:36.960
their ability to do disinformation campaigns

00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.820
has gotten even more. So anyway, I read the article

00:42:39.820 --> 00:42:43.119
and I was just shocked because I had just flooded

00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:45.679
with examples coming to my mind of each tactic.

00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.500
Right. And you got fake the science. The fake

00:42:48.500 --> 00:42:51.599
is the that is the most powerful. That is the

00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:54.420
foundation of everything they do. So there's

00:42:54.420 --> 00:42:56.860
a chapter on a book called The Big Six. It's

00:42:56.860 --> 00:42:59.789
actually should be called The Big Seven. Basically,

00:42:59.789 --> 00:43:03.750
what they did is they ignored all of the studies

00:43:03.750 --> 00:43:06.389
that I brought forth from all the black and brown

00:43:06.389 --> 00:43:09.210
countries, the observational trials, the epidemiologic

00:43:09.210 --> 00:43:11.929
studies, even the randomized control trials done

00:43:11.929 --> 00:43:14.849
from all the positive trials they ignored. And

00:43:14.849 --> 00:43:16.889
they actually designed and conducted what I call

00:43:16.889 --> 00:43:19.909
the big six. These were large, purportedly high

00:43:19.909 --> 00:43:22.590
quality, rigorous, double blind, placebo controlled

00:43:22.590 --> 00:43:27.139
trials. And they were so manipulated and so designed

00:43:27.139 --> 00:43:29.940
to show that ivermectin didn't work. Didn't they

00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:33.179
overdose people too? Hydroxychloroquine. Yeah.

00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:34.780
Because that's what they did in hydroxychloroquine.

00:43:34.780 --> 00:43:36.960
They gave them way too much. But this is what

00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:41.010
I was saying to you before is that. I wrote the

00:43:41.010 --> 00:43:43.110
book The War on Ivermectin. One of my colleagues

00:43:43.110 --> 00:43:45.849
could have written the book The War on Hydroxychloroquine

00:43:45.849 --> 00:43:47.989
because it's literally the same tactic, same

00:43:47.989 --> 00:43:51.389
results. But too much too late. What I like about

00:43:51.389 --> 00:43:53.369
your question about didn't they overdose, and

00:43:53.369 --> 00:43:56.590
I'd like to make this point because hydroxychloroquine

00:43:56.590 --> 00:43:58.969
does have a lethal dose. And in one of their

00:43:58.969 --> 00:44:02.329
big trials, they used a dose just under the lethal

00:44:02.329 --> 00:44:04.530
dose, which no one has explained and I think

00:44:04.530 --> 00:44:06.829
is actually a crime that should be prosecuted.

00:44:07.750 --> 00:44:10.710
With ivermectin, you can't do that. You can take

00:44:10.710 --> 00:44:13.510
100 times normal dose and be fine, or at least

00:44:13.510 --> 00:44:16.349
50 times. So what they did with ivermectin is

00:44:16.349 --> 00:44:19.929
the opposite. They gave as low a dose for as

00:44:19.929 --> 00:44:23.250
short a time as possible. These tactics that

00:44:23.250 --> 00:44:25.489
they did in these trials are so brazen. But here's

00:44:25.489 --> 00:44:28.050
the thing. They would manipulate and conduct

00:44:28.050 --> 00:44:30.909
these trials, show that ivermectin didn't work.

00:44:31.530 --> 00:44:34.269
Publish it in the highest impact medical journal

00:44:34.269 --> 00:44:37.650
in the world. And then it would launch a media

00:44:37.650 --> 00:44:40.909
frenzy across all the newspapers and TVs. Not

00:44:40.909 --> 00:44:43.550
only in the country. You know, ivermectin found

00:44:43.550 --> 00:44:46.329
ineffective in COVID. Latest high quality rigorous

00:44:46.329 --> 00:44:49.250
trial says. And you see it plastered everywhere.

00:44:49.429 --> 00:44:51.969
And I would wake up on those mornings and I'd

00:44:51.969 --> 00:44:55.000
be like. It was like a PR nightmare. And then

00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:56.519
I would get attacked in the media and all that

00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:58.800
because for saying for so long that it worked,

00:44:58.940 --> 00:45:02.099
but yet this beautifully done rigorous study

00:45:02.099 --> 00:45:05.480
from the heights of academia found that stupid

00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.800
Dr. Corey, it doesn't work. So not only did it

00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:10.420
make me look like a fool. They won't talk about

00:45:10.420 --> 00:45:13.039
all the previous studies. They will never mention.

00:45:13.059 --> 00:45:16.460
They ignore the positives. They won't say any

00:45:16.460 --> 00:45:19.650
of this. No, that's just that's the fake. And

00:45:19.650 --> 00:45:21.590
then the blitz is what we've actually remember.

00:45:21.750 --> 00:45:23.809
This is your guy's show. This is kind of the

00:45:23.809 --> 00:45:26.289
topic. Right. So the blitz is where they harass

00:45:26.289 --> 00:45:28.510
scientists. Right. And they've been doing this

00:45:28.510 --> 00:45:31.469
for a long time. So some of the great case examples

00:45:31.469 --> 00:45:34.210
like in that article is the one of Dr. Bennett

00:45:34.210 --> 00:45:37.949
Amalu, who first described chronic traumatic

00:45:37.949 --> 00:45:40.769
encephalopathy, which is the micro hemorrhages

00:45:40.769 --> 00:45:44.150
that befall the NFL football players. There's

00:45:44.150 --> 00:45:47.139
a movie about Will Smith plays Amalu in. that

00:45:47.139 --> 00:45:49.820
movie i think it's called uh concussion it's

00:45:49.820 --> 00:45:51.900
a major motion picture but it talks about the

00:45:51.900 --> 00:45:55.360
persecution that amala went under via the nfl

00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:58.679
for talking about this brain disease that happens

00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.000
for getting your head hit too hard on that right

00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:05.199
by the way the nfl is a nine billion dollar industry

00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:09.719
pharmaceutical industry is $1 trillion. So when

00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.559
you do something to piss off pharma, you're up

00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.940
against a pretty formal vote. Although the NFL

00:46:14.940 --> 00:46:17.480
was not kind to Amalu. But here's the other thing

00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:20.579
is that, remember the Vioxx scandal? Yeah. There's

00:46:20.579 --> 00:46:23.400
a really interesting article that when Vioxx,

00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:25.860
when doctors started to know how toxic Vioxx

00:46:25.860 --> 00:46:27.719
were and started to speak publicly about it,

00:46:28.059 --> 00:46:32.320
Merck created a hit list of doctors who were...

00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:35.739
talking smack about Vioxx, right? And so they

00:46:35.739 --> 00:46:38.239
were targeting doctors, trying to discredit them

00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:40.800
and ruin their reputation so that no one would

00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:42.159
listen. And shame them in front of everyone to

00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.519
show the others to not speak out. Yeah, and I

00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:48.039
have these lectures. I have this one slide where

00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:50.039
I try to give examples of the Blitz. And all

00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:53.179
I do is I show the faces of me and the five people

00:46:53.179 --> 00:46:56.420
that formed the FLCCC and what happened to us.

00:46:56.659 --> 00:47:00.869
So in terms of me, I've lost three jobs. I had

00:47:00.869 --> 00:47:03.789
11 complaints to the medical board, which luckily

00:47:03.789 --> 00:47:07.190
I survived and I still have my license. But the

00:47:07.190 --> 00:47:09.550
worst thing that's happened to me is that my

00:47:09.550 --> 00:47:12.730
board, my specialty board certifications were

00:47:12.730 --> 00:47:15.429
revoked. And what a board certification is, it's

00:47:15.429 --> 00:47:19.400
when you have a specialty. you can take this

00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:22.019
higher level exam. And when you pass that, you

00:47:22.019 --> 00:47:24.079
can call yourself board certified. So you spend

00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:25.780
a lot of money, you take this exam, and then

00:47:25.780 --> 00:47:28.760
you can puff out your chest. And board certifications

00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.300
used to denote like a higher level of knowledge

00:47:31.300 --> 00:47:35.039
or skill. That's all it was. And so patients

00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:36.739
would get impressed that when you gave a lecture,

00:47:36.780 --> 00:47:38.679
you could say I'm board certified and this and

00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:40.739
that. So I actually have three board certifications,

00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:43.320
had internal medicine, pulmonary disease, and

00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.809
critical care medicine. And the boards came after

00:47:46.809 --> 00:47:49.710
me and Paul Merrick especially. They enacted

00:47:49.710 --> 00:47:53.449
this new misinformation policy. Peter McCullough,

00:47:53.469 --> 00:47:55.570
same thing. The three of us got the letters on

00:47:55.570 --> 00:47:59.369
the same day from the same committee. And we

00:47:59.369 --> 00:48:01.590
fought for a year and a half. We defended every

00:48:01.590 --> 00:48:04.389
public statement we had made with reams of data.

00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.480
I think at one point, one of my reports was 67

00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:11.699
pages with like 270 references. Wow. Didn't matter.

00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:14.219
They just rebutted saying that you say the vaccines

00:48:14.219 --> 00:48:16.559
are dangerous. The WHO says they're safe. This

00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:19.650
is the level of defense that I was getting. Oh,

00:48:19.690 --> 00:48:22.010
you guys are citing the WHO saying they're safe

00:48:22.010 --> 00:48:24.730
and effective, but no granular data, no data

00:48:24.730 --> 00:48:28.730
to rebut the data. But the fix is in. But ultimately

00:48:28.730 --> 00:48:31.989
about, I can't remember when it was, it's sometime

00:48:31.989 --> 00:48:35.630
in the last three or four months, they came to

00:48:35.630 --> 00:48:38.610
their final decision and they revoked my specialty

00:48:38.610 --> 00:48:41.110
board certification. So I'm no longer board certified.

00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:47.360
If I was still in the medical system with a career,

00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:50.960
my career would end. Because although it used

00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.639
to be a badge of distinction, they weaponized

00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.159
board certifications to the point where now to

00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:59.380
get on staff at a major institution, you have

00:48:59.380 --> 00:49:01.840
to be board certified. To be on an insurance

00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:05.780
panel, you have to be board certified. So what's

00:49:05.780 --> 00:49:07.519
lucky for me is... So they were trying to...

00:49:07.820 --> 00:49:09.280
Yeah, they're trying to get me gone. But here's

00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.019
the thing. It doesn't actually have any material

00:49:12.019 --> 00:49:15.980
implications for my career now because I'm in

00:49:15.980 --> 00:49:18.820
private practice and I'm fee based. That's one

00:49:18.820 --> 00:49:22.960
other reason why. I can't take insurance is because

00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.079
I don't have board certifications. No insurance

00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.039
panel will pick me up. I can't get a job in the

00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.099
system, which is just fine with me because I

00:49:30.099 --> 00:49:32.280
love my private practice. I love the autonomy.

00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:35.079
I love what I'm learning. I'm learning about

00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:37.059
all sorts of different therapies they don't teach

00:49:37.059 --> 00:49:39.320
you in medical school, which I find really helpful.

00:49:39.380 --> 00:49:41.599
And I find this to be one of the most stimulating

00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:44.039
and inspiring times of my life, my professional

00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:47.000
life, to be honest. A little lucky in a way.

00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.719
Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I do feel like... Like,

00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:54.280
here's what I like to say is that the course

00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:56.780
and the journey in COVID was really difficult.

00:49:56.900 --> 00:49:59.280
I talked about some of the low points. There

00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.280
were definitely some high points in support and

00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.039
praise. The fame and notoriety or the whatever,

00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.599
that's nice. It doesn't really give me dopamine

00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:09.519
rushes, to be honest. I don't really care about

00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:14.280
that stuff. But the journey was rough. But where

00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.480
I landed, I never would have landed here otherwise,

00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:20.000
and I'm so happy I'm here. I'm so happy I'm living

00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.059
the life I'm living now. It never would have

00:50:22.059 --> 00:50:23.679
happened otherwise. You're free. You're free.

00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:26.619
Let me quickly go over these other sections.

00:50:26.699 --> 00:50:29.780
You've got the diversion. So we did the blitz.

00:50:29.780 --> 00:50:33.440
We did the fake. The diversion is when they just

00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:36.719
basically inject doubt to anything you say. So

00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:38.480
if I'm out there talking about how I've reacted,

00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:42.659
they will just plant articles. citing people

00:50:42.659 --> 00:50:46.019
with pedigrees behind them who then talk differently

00:50:46.019 --> 00:50:48.719
about what they'll say oh you know the safety

00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:51.440
hasn't been proven um you know the qualities

00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:55.599
that he's citing are small underpowered low quality

00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:59.219
poorly designed um you know all sorts of fancy

00:50:59.219 --> 00:51:01.820
things that they just they just want to inject

00:51:01.820 --> 00:51:05.219
doubt into the reader that don't listen to dr

00:51:05.219 --> 00:51:07.340
cory right so first they attack your credibility

00:51:07.340 --> 00:51:09.199
which is like they've done that to bobby kennedy

00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:11.639
for forever right because If you can hit him

00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:13.820
as a man, whatever he says, you don't listen

00:51:13.820 --> 00:51:15.460
to because you already know he's uncredible.

00:51:15.500 --> 00:51:19.739
Right. So but here they just try to counter anything

00:51:19.739 --> 00:51:22.619
you say. And they plant these articles all over

00:51:22.619 --> 00:51:26.039
the place. And, you know, let's remind ourselves

00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:28.980
what the definition of propaganda is. Right.

00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:30.380
Because I think it's really important that we

00:51:30.380 --> 00:51:34.400
remember. I think the best definition is it's

00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:38.110
a story. or a message that gets you to think

00:51:38.110 --> 00:51:42.190
or act in a certain way just stories and messages

00:51:42.190 --> 00:51:46.150
right so when they put in like these anti -ivermectin

00:51:46.150 --> 00:51:48.610
newspaper pieces they're just sending you a little

00:51:48.610 --> 00:51:51.769
story in a message that like be careful that's

00:51:51.769 --> 00:51:55.110
a horse dewormer only really weird fringe quack

00:51:55.110 --> 00:51:57.989
doctors think it works and most of the authorities

00:51:57.989 --> 00:52:01.949
from the big institutions They cite studies showing

00:52:01.949 --> 00:52:04.230
that it definitely doesn't work, right? So little

00:52:04.230 --> 00:52:07.969
stories and messages to get you to not use ivermectin.

00:52:08.110 --> 00:52:10.690
What's the screen? And the screen is where they

00:52:10.690 --> 00:52:14.389
buy alliances with professional societies. So

00:52:14.389 --> 00:52:17.510
that's just money, right? So the best example,

00:52:17.690 --> 00:52:22.710
we talked about in a prior conversation, we talked

00:52:22.710 --> 00:52:27.079
about the horse dewormer PR campaign. That's

00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:29.260
where the FDA sent out their tweet, the CDC sent

00:52:29.260 --> 00:52:31.639
out a memo, the NIH went on television, you know,

00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:34.260
and then the horse dewormer appeared everywhere

00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:36.860
in the media. But two days after the third action

00:52:36.860 --> 00:52:39.179
that they took, which was Fauci going on television,

00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:42.400
the American Medical Association, the American

00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:44.800
Pharmacists Association, the American Association

00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:46.760
of Hospital Pharmacists, the three of them put

00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:50.300
out a joint statement, publicized all through

00:52:50.300 --> 00:52:53.619
the media, where they said the AMA, APHA, AHA.

00:52:54.409 --> 00:52:58.190
Call for the immediate cessation of prescribing

00:52:58.190 --> 00:53:01.530
of ivermectin for COVID in big block letters.

00:53:01.570 --> 00:53:03.789
So you had these three professional societies

00:53:03.789 --> 00:53:07.989
suddenly put out a public call for immediately

00:53:07.989 --> 00:53:10.670
telling everyone to stop prescribing. That's

00:53:10.670 --> 00:53:12.670
how desperate they were. Do you guys remember

00:53:12.670 --> 00:53:15.809
them doing that for fentanyl? Or oxycodone? No.

00:53:15.929 --> 00:53:18.429
They never did that for oxycodone, right? Because

00:53:18.429 --> 00:53:21.050
when I see that kind of bold block letter, like

00:53:21.050 --> 00:53:25.309
literally screaming all caps to stop, to the

00:53:25.309 --> 00:53:28.369
doctors to stop prescribing it, I was like, that

00:53:28.369 --> 00:53:30.570
must be a really dangerous drug that they're

00:53:30.570 --> 00:53:32.869
calling this a public health medicine, right?

00:53:32.869 --> 00:53:36.070
And so that would be an example of, what was

00:53:36.070 --> 00:53:38.449
that? Screen. Or the screen, yeah. Where they

00:53:38.449 --> 00:53:40.889
literally, and then the last one is when they

00:53:40.889 --> 00:53:44.960
go after officials. That, I used to be collegial

00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:50.119
and friendly with the top WHO researcher on ivermectin

00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.340
in the world, a guy named Professor Andrew Hill

00:53:52.340 --> 00:53:55.539
from Liverpool. And when we first learned about

00:53:55.539 --> 00:53:57.579
each other, we were very collegial. We were shared

00:53:57.579 --> 00:53:59.159
data with each other. And I knew what he was

00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:01.059
doing. He was collecting every randomized controlled

00:54:01.059 --> 00:54:03.159
trial in the world and he's reporting the results

00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:06.539
to WHO. And without going to the whole long story,

00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:10.559
it's well detailed in my book. They got to Andy

00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.460
and I talk about how, why, how I knew it. But

00:54:14.460 --> 00:54:18.739
he was a very much more sober than I was vocal

00:54:18.739 --> 00:54:20.860
advocate for Ivermectin. When I say sober, just

00:54:20.860 --> 00:54:22.840
more, you know, first of all, he's British. You

00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.179
know, I'm a little emotive and expressive and

00:54:25.179 --> 00:54:27.599
a little loud. Right. You know, so he was a little

00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:31.219
bit more measured, but consistently highly supportive

00:54:31.219 --> 00:54:34.420
of Ivermectin in his public lectures. And then

00:54:34.420 --> 00:54:37.250
all of a sudden. He started singing a different

00:54:37.250 --> 00:54:39.530
tune. They got to him. And, yeah, we have the

00:54:39.530 --> 00:54:42.050
evidence, and I detail it in my book. And we

00:54:42.050 --> 00:54:45.829
have him admitting on camera, and we actually

00:54:45.829 --> 00:54:47.690
released this. We have him admitting on camera

00:54:47.690 --> 00:54:50.690
to one of my colleagues that his sponsors changed

00:54:50.690 --> 00:54:52.969
his paper. So tell us about your book. What's

00:54:52.969 --> 00:54:54.710
the name of the book, and how does one get it?

00:54:54.789 --> 00:54:57.329
The War on Ivermectin, pretty much the only place

00:54:57.329 --> 00:55:00.190
to get it is Amazon because none of the bookstores

00:55:00.190 --> 00:55:03.449
will pick it up. And so I can only – luckily,

00:55:03.530 --> 00:55:06.360
at least there's Amazon. It's available now?

00:55:06.820 --> 00:55:08.340
It's available now, yeah. It's been out for a

00:55:08.340 --> 00:55:10.820
couple of years. It's done really well in a number

00:55:10.820 --> 00:55:14.940
of countries. And I found out you make literally

00:55:14.940 --> 00:55:17.199
nothing from your first book, but I'm still happy

00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:19.440
people are reading it. Well, we really appreciate

00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:23.179
your warriorhood and just following your heart

00:55:23.179 --> 00:55:26.480
and doing what you think is right. ignoring the

00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.739
slings and the arrows and rising above it all.

00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.480
And I'm really happy for you. As you guys have,

00:55:32.619 --> 00:55:36.059
too. To be honest, I'm with Auguste's company

00:55:36.059 --> 00:55:39.179
here. We love people that fight the system. They

00:55:39.179 --> 00:55:43.219
don't sit back and just get beaten into submission.

00:55:43.420 --> 00:55:46.239
I hope we are setting an example for those who

00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:50.000
come after us. One of the things that I'm on,

00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:52.300
and this is not, I'm not trying to pump myself

00:55:52.300 --> 00:55:55.599
up or you guys up, but One thing I noticed throughout

00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:59.019
all of COVID is how few whistleblowers there

00:55:59.019 --> 00:56:01.960
were. I mean, you think about all of those agents,

00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:04.559
all of the lies and the crap and the fraud and

00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.000
the stuff that they've covered up. And so few

00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.840
people came out and spoke open publicly. And

00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:12.639
those that did really got put through the ringer.

00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:16.300
But it's funny. There's a study of whistleblowers

00:56:16.300 --> 00:56:19.480
that I came across. When they looked at a whole

00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:21.300
bunch of whistleblowers from different industries,

00:56:21.460 --> 00:56:25.019
they found that the vast majority of them suffered

00:56:25.019 --> 00:56:29.000
greatly for being a whistleblower. But when asked

00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:32.480
whether they would do it again, they almost all

00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:35.059
said yes. I'd love to see that study. Yeah. Because

00:56:35.059 --> 00:56:38.199
you feel happier that you lived in integrity

00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:42.880
and you weren't silenced. I mean, I could totally

00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:45.329
see that. What's the name of it? Well, it was

00:56:45.329 --> 00:56:46.949
quoted – I don't actually have the study, but

00:56:46.949 --> 00:56:49.250
it was quoted by a man named Peter Gace who himself

00:56:49.250 --> 00:56:53.369
was canceled. He's probably the best – you guys

00:56:53.369 --> 00:56:55.750
should have him as a guest. He's really famous.

00:56:55.869 --> 00:56:57.570
I don't know him personally, but he's a very,

00:56:57.630 --> 00:57:00.570
very famous physician who actually started one

00:57:00.570 --> 00:57:02.909
of the – top journals in the world, Cochrane

00:57:02.909 --> 00:57:05.590
Library, and was later forced out because he

00:57:05.590 --> 00:57:09.090
started to comment and fight against the pharmaceutical

00:57:09.090 --> 00:57:11.909
industry influence in that journal. And they

00:57:11.909 --> 00:57:15.309
sent him on his petard. But he gives this lecture

00:57:15.309 --> 00:57:19.190
where he actually reviewed this paper of whistleblowers

00:57:19.190 --> 00:57:22.809
and what happens to them. And many of them suffered

00:57:22.809 --> 00:57:25.769
real greatly in terms of income, stature, reputation,

00:57:26.150 --> 00:57:28.849
profession. But like I said, the majority said

00:57:28.849 --> 00:57:30.940
they would do it again. And would you do it again?

00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:35.719
Of course. And the thing is, partly because of

00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:37.260
what you were just saying, David. Look where

00:57:37.260 --> 00:57:40.500
I landed. I'm so happy now. Do I want to go through

00:57:40.500 --> 00:57:42.239
it again? No, but I would do it again. And not

00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:43.519
just because of where I landed. It's because

00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.179
I didn't have a choice. When you have that kind

00:57:46.179 --> 00:57:49.340
of mindset, like, I'm going to call BS when I

00:57:49.340 --> 00:57:52.039
see BS. And I knew that these were lies. I knew

00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:53.800
this was incorrect, and I wanted to correct it.

00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:55.900
There's no way I'm not going to do that in the

00:57:55.900 --> 00:57:58.719
future. Sure. Thank you again. Thank you. Really

00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:01.619
appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you. It's great

00:58:01.619 --> 00:58:03.360
spending time with you. Definitely. Appreciate

00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:04.460
it. Thanks for having me, guys.