Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Good News York.
My name is Noah Chrysler. Today we are here with
Michelle D. Shenandoah. Hi, Michelle. Hello.
Hi. Michelle is a Syracuse based founder, storyteller
and educator. She's built a platform that uplifts
indigenous women's voices and brings Haudenosaunee
knowledge to public conversation through community
work, education and public media. She's the founder
of Remetriation and host of the PBS series Remetriated
Voices with Michelle Shenandoah. How's it going?
It's going really well. Yeah, it's going great
today. Wonderful. Michelle, in your own words,
can you please introduce yourself and kind of
tell us what you do? My name is Michelle Shenandoah.
I am called in my culture by my people. which
means that she's fond of the sky. I am a member
of the Oneida Nation Wolf Clan, and I am the
founder of Rematriation, a non -profit organization
based here in Syracuse. And we're just now actually
celebrating our 10th year at putting this work
out into the world. Wonderful. Your your name
there was that given at birth or is that something
that you choose? What is the process of that
was very interesting? Can you tell me more about
that? Yeah. So within our way, we receive a name.
And it's not actually given to you at birth.
It's given a little bit later on. And it can
vary in age. But generally, when you are either
a baby or you're young, you can change them as
you get older. But it's given to you from your
clan family. And so only one person can hold
that name while they're alive. And then it kind
of goes back. into a collection of names that
can be drawn from in the future for others to
carry on that name. Very cool. That's awesome.
Cool. What is rematriation? What is rematriation?
And can you tell us more about it? So rematriation
actually has its roots in indigenous midwifery.
And so rematriation now, if you look out into
the world, you look at on the Internet, you can
find it in quite a few places. It's growing.
It's a movement. And but when it first started
really emerging and being used, it was within
our community and one of our clan mothers who
we call mama bear who we'll probably talk about
today. She was starting to use this in a new
context in relation to items that were being
returned from museums back to our people. And
then with her being a person within the political
sphere of the Haudenosaunee was also starting
to use it in other contexts in relation to our
governance. And so now you can see rematriation
has moved in the spaces of food sovereignty,
cultural revitalization. It's in governance.
It's still within this process of what people
would sometimes call repatriation. So I worked
with Mama Bear to create a definition from our
Haudenosaunee women's perspective. And we came
up with returning the sacred to the mother. And
it really creates an opportunity for others to
be able to live into it as a practice, as a movement.
And so mother as in mother earth, as in mothers,
as in the mother tongue. and the mother language
that we all learn, looking at language revitalization,
looking at seed, heirloom seeds of our people
and using those to feed our people, centered
around food sovereignty. So it really can grow
in context. And so rematriation as our organization
is... You know helping to uplift all of that
movement and telling the stories so turning the
cameras on turning on You know the audio and
you know being able to share that out and really
helping the the movement to grow Very cool. Can
we zoom in on certain aspects of that? So it's
particularly around like food. Uh, can you tell
me more about uh, like Let's zoom in there right
because I think that that's everybody understands
food to a certain extent. But uh, so when you
talk about used a certain phrase that I don't
exactly remember, but basically... Can you tell
me more about like this idea of food? Food sovereignty.
Food sovereignty was the term. Yeah. Tell me
about that. Well, you know, so being here in
Syracuse, I will say, you know, it's important
for folks to know, which I think most people
here in Syracuse know that the Onondaga Nation
is located directly south of Syracuse. And so,
you know, when you look at food sovereignty,
I'm going to, you know, bring up one of the community
members there. Her name is Angela Ferguson. And
so she does a lot centered around food sovereignty
as part of a bigger movement that's happening
across Turtle Island. And that's what we call
North America. And so Angela has been very much
invested in really helping to create a connection
between the original seeds of people from across
the Americas with seeds that they have not had
for who knows, generations, hundreds of years.
And so in a collection of seeds that she had
come to become a caretaker for. included all
these seeds from people that even some who the
people aren't even here anymore. So imagine,
think about it this way, imagine wherever you're
from, your homelands, and think about seeds that
were cultivated and cared for by your ancestors,
your great, great, great grandmothers. and then
there was some something happened you know and
then you were separated from those original foods
and so you know coming back to them and and being
able to grow them in your own soil in your homeland
and to eat those foods that your ancestors ate
like that's kind of really like you know a part
of food sovereignty or at least with the work
that she's been doing But it is those original
seeds. It is those foods that your ancestors
ate, and it speaks to your DNA, right? And it
speaks to the soil from where those seeds are
from, because they've learned how to adapt to
the conditions of that land, right? You can take
seeds from here and try to plant them somewhere
else in the world, and they may not grow from
there, because it... Doesn't speak the same language
in nature, right? So and it's you know, also
related to our bodies like when you think about
you know, um You know different things related
to epigenetics or i'm trying to remember all
those fancy names for those diets, right? Where
you eat like your ancestral diet and it it speaks
to your body and that's that's basically You
know what that is and to be able to feed your
own people With your original foods. So yeah,
no, that's I think that that is a very fascinating
concepts, especially with all of the, you know,
processed foods that we eat nowadays and all
of the mass -grown plants and things that come
out of these like factory farms and that sort
of things. Seeds that actually are created today
that do not reproduce. So if you were to save
the seeds from certain foods that we buy from
the grocery store today, a lot of them will not
reproduce. They will not grow because it's forcing
people to have to go buy seeds from a company
to produce foods that are, you know, grown one
time. And then so the cycle continues. But imagine
seed that you know do what seeds are supposed
to do right and so you know that that really
is rematriation helping to you know preserve
and cultivate those original seeds that are people
from all around the world you know have been
planting since time immemorial beautiful yeah
um and rematriation so basically that's one example
that's a zoomed in example but rematriation is
basically doing all of that with basically all
aspects of indigenous culture, is that correct?
You know essentially in a way. Yeah, you know
because when you think about like language original
languages, you know speaks to something Ancestrally
to you And and with your cultural practices as
well, right? So for anyone if you find that,
you know You trace those that lineage and those
roots back to your homelands and those original
songs and practices and language It's really
gonna speak to your spirit. You know, your soul
is going to feel that and so you know essentially
yeah that's that's what it is but I think even
on a bigger level is taking that even a step
further and thinking about our relationship with
the earth right because that's something that
all humans had at one point right is that real
deep connection with the understanding that you
know This is how we live. This is what allows
us to live. So being able to be in relationship
with the Earth, with Mother Earth, because right
now she really truly is pushing on everybody
to say, hey, you have to change how you're doing
what you're doing, especially if you want to
survive. where you want to make sure that your
future generations of your grandkids' grandkids
will be able to survive. And so that's why we
do what we do at rematriation, is to tell those
stories, to give pathways and shape new ways
of thinking by all people with bringing in that
indigenous knowledge that has always thought
that way, thinking about seven generations into
the future. Wow. Yeah. From that specific lens,
what are some of the ways that you see Mother
Earth objecting to what's currently going on?
I think we all can see it, right? From climate
change to, you know, there's just, when you say
climate change, it just is one thing. But when
you look at it on the local level, you know,
we can feel that in the differences and from
the weather patterns to then how that can be
devastating, right? To how we live our lives
and, you know, the safety of our own homes and
our communities. Right, so I think we can all
acknowledge that, you know, to species, you know,
that are disappearing or that are struggling
to be able to live in their natural habitats,
right? To the air that we breathe, right? Like,
is it clean? Is it pure? Is the water that we
drink is that clean and is that pure? And will
it be able to sustain, you know, some level of
purity that future generations will be able to
drink the water or to breathe the air and be
healthy, right? I think that's the important
thing. Yeah, absolutely. No, that is absolutely
fascinating We should probably get back on track
because I know I sent you these questions before
so but no That's that's very fascinating and
as someone who you know hopes to have children
someday like, you know I think about those things
all the time, right? It's like so I want to bring
future generations into this world when they
might not have clean water to drink or I mean
that is a That is a very top of mind relevant
conversation to have so Absolutely cool. Um,
will there be another season of rematriated voices?
So yes Well, let's talk about the first season
of rematriated voices. Yeah. So this first season
that has been released was aired on our local
PBS station WCNY. And so folks can actually go
and access the episodes now by, you know, typing
in Bermatriated Voices, WCNY, they'll pop up.
There's five episodes that are there. And it
really takes people through. a landscape of Haudenosaunee
and Indigenous perspectives, and also coupled
with work that allies are doing alongside us
to also be able to uplift this important knowledge.
And so those five episodes are there. They, you
know, center around different components of history
or of cultural teaching, also looking at the
roots of the U .S. Constitution, which are Indigenous
and actually from right here in hometown Syracuse
for folks who are from here. People don't recognize
that this is the birthplace of modern democracy.
That should be mind -blowing for some who've
never heard that before. Like, what does that
mean, really? And so, okay, so if the roots of
the Constitution are indigenous, what did we
miss out on? What was maybe left out? Why is
it not working today? What are maybe some things
that we can learn and bring into the space of
today? And that's what we explore in Rematriated
Voices, in the episode that's called Hidden Roots
of Democracy. We have another episode that's
called Eve Meets Sky Woman. And that is focused
in on the Haudenosaunee influence on women's
suffrage, on the early suffragists. And again,
taking a look at what was left out or taking
a look at, you know, to the, you know, origin
stories of Eve, you know, of the story of Adam
and Eve. And then, you know, comparing that and
contrasting that to the story of Sky Woman, which
is, you know, the origin creation story for the
Haudenosaunee. And so It's really beautiful.
It also... has one of our clan mothers in there,
Mama Bear, who's in a few of the episodes. And
also the late Dr. Sally Roche Wagner, who was
a really good friend to the Haudenosaunee and
was one of the very first scholars to actually
write about the Haudenosaunee influence on women's
suffrage. So that is, you know, part of what
people can see in there. And then in addition
to an episode about matrilineal men and what
is it like for men to to grow up in a matrilineal
culture, and it's probably surprising for most,
you know, because you have these men who are
just, you know, really strong and grounded in
who they are, who are chiefs and, you know, they're
leaders of our nations, and people might not
expect that, right? And so, yeah, I really encourage
folks to check out those episodes, but let's
go back to your original question, because you'll
have to remind me what it was. You're fine. With
the next season will there be next season and
so I would love for us to have a season two Yes,
so I'm I'm thinking about it and right now. We're
still in the process of really getting season
one out there into the world and so actually
This coming Tuesday, March 31st, we are hosting
a public event at the WCNY studios in downtown.
And so there's tickets are selling out really
fast. There is a capacity. So I would encourage
folks to take a look on Eventbrite. And so if
you go to Eventbrite .com and you put in roommate
-traded voices, you can get. A ticket to come,
it's next week. And so there we're going to be
exploring this new screening series. It's like
a campaign that we're putting out into the world
and asking folks to join us by creating their
own DIY hosting. And so this will give people
an opportunity to be able to screen an episode
or all five of the episodes, whatever is their
comfort level. And they can do this in their
home with a few other friends. They can do it
in a community setting, whether it's a community
organization, a congregation, or if you're a
teacher and you want to bring it into your classroom.
It's really kind of at the level each person
is interested in participating. But we'd like
to get folks to do a screening, and then we're
going to provide everyone with a hosting kit.
And that will kind of help them to facilitate
and walk them through a screening but then also
to be able to have a meaningful dialogue after
the event and to be able to talk about it right
because there's so much content in there that
folks say I don't, I never knew this. Like what
do I do with this information now? So it gives
people an opportunity to talk together about
it. And that's one thing that we find is a really
great value of what we're creating. And I don't
mean value and monetary perspective, but value
in terms of how it can enrich our lives. Very
cool. Yeah. Of the episodes that you've released,
which episode do you think is one of the more
important ones for the current cultural conversation?
Oh, that's really hard to answer. So the reason
that it's difficult to answer, I think it really
depends on... where people's perspective is,
right? I mean, there's, you know, such a diverse
community here in Syracuse, but even just in
general, like human beings, we all have different
interests. So, you know, for instance, Hidden
Roots of Democracy is focused in on, you know,
the U .S. governance, on democracy, what was
left out, then the Eve, you know, and meets Sky
Woman, focused in on women's suffrage. Then we
have another one that's called First Environment.
And, you know, that is one of our indigenous
midwives who's an elder, Gudgey Cook, and Robin
Wall Kimmerer, who some of you may know. She
is not only a professor at SUNY ESF, she is Potawatomi,
but she's also a New York Times bestseller of
the book Braiding Sweetgrass. a lot of people
love. So she brings science together and the
two of them talk about like our relationship
with Mother Earth, right? So then we have another
one that's centered on, you know, the doctrine
of discovery and it's taking a look at how this
doctrine of discovery has embedded in U .S. law.
and even in Canadian law. And what are the impacts
upon Indigenous people today? And how has that
caused an erasure of Indigenous history, culture,
and identity over the last 500 plus years? In
the americas and so what are those impacts today?
And what are indigenous women and allies doing
about that, right? So there's you know, it really
just kind of depends on where somebody would
like to jump in but given that this country is
now celebrating its 250th year of You know declaring
independence, you know, the hidden roots of democracy
could be a good place to start Yeah, cool. That
actually is a great segue into my next question,
which is why do you think these perspectives
have been left out of the mainstream conversation
so much? What do you think led to that happening?
Well, OK. So I really love looking at systems
and what's sort of like the root cause. And so
the Doctrine of Discovery, which I have just
mentioned, was created by the Vatican. It's a
series of papal bulls that began to be called
this Doctrine of Discovery. What it really is
essentially is it's what gave the legal right
to early European explorers like Columbus and
all those who came over here to put their flag
into the soil and claim the land and the resources
in the name of the crowns of Europe. With that,
It was basically stating that the indigenous
people, you know, were not Christians and therefore,
you know, were basically of the flora and fauna,
you know, without having a soul. And so, therefore,
the European explorers could do whatever they
liked with, you know, removing indigenous peoples
from the land. So that essentially has led to
genocide over, you know, the last 500 years.
Now, but what's interesting is that has made
its way into US law, which is still valid law
to this day. So when you look at early case law,
the United States created, used the Doctrine
of Discovery to claim all the lands in its, you
know, that it ever, you know, acquired or took
or however it came into land. And then You see
it again in 2005 in a case against the Oneidas,
against my nation. And it was cited by Ruth Bader
Ginsburg, of all things, right? So it really
has some really devastating effects, because
when you think about it, law really shapes policy.
And policy shapes education and curriculum. and
education then shapes how we get to know one
another and how we treat one another and what
we value. And so if you think about it, if the
doctrine of discovery is embedded in the law,
right, which invisibilizes and erases indigenous
people from the land, and it's still valid to
this day, like all the way up to 2005, you see
it still continuing to exist. It's still on the
books. So that really Right there if you look
at root cause kind of explains why there is an
invisibilization and lack of indigenous history
in Curriculums or even understanding of people
today that exist. Absolutely. Yeah, what do you
think changes when? Those things that have been
made invisible when they're not invisible when
they're reintroduced to the conversation Well,
I will say that What I have discovered for folks
who, you know, come to learn about Indigenous
histories, people, value, thinking, and being
able to even apply it in today, what I always
see is that there is a deeper understanding and
an appreciation, number one, for the people,
but also this other thing that happens where
people say, I didn't know this. I never knew
this. Why did I not know this? Why was this never
taught to me in school? Right? So I always find
that to be such a moment. But then when people
who have like, you know, developed relationship
or gotten closer to, you know, these teachings
and understandings, they have much more of a
heart opening right to say wow like this has
so much meaning to it that i can bring even to
my own life yeah absolutely from my own experience
i was i was educated locally i went to you know
middle school high school uh very close to here
and um I think they did a great job honestly
of it of educating us about indigenous peoples
and indigenous values and I don't know but as
I've talked to more people who you know went
to different high schools and different districts
and things I also have realized that like oh
this was not the things that we were taught were
not taught to everybody so I don't know I hear
what you're saying yeah you know it might have
a lot to do with who your teacher was right because
I think each teacher gets to decide for themselves
like how they're going to teach, you know, this
curriculum and usually it's taught in the fourth
grade. And so if you have somebody who may, you
know, perhaps have been more connected to one
of our nations and spent time studying the history
will invest more time teaching the kids. But
I also like to ask people like, you know, what
do you remember from the fourth grade? Right?
And how does that become relevant to understanding
your political landscape that you live in today,
right? Or legal landscape that you live in today.
And so, you know, I just like to think about
when we think about all the voices at the table,
right? So who have been the primary, you know,
voices at the table and how could it be different,
perhaps if there were more, you know, perspectives
to really think about? you know, how we live
in relation to the land or each other. Absolutely.
I mean, I have personal answers to those questions,
but I don't know. Mrs. Brady did a pretty good
job. Mrs. Wanovich did a pretty good job, I think.
We learned about like the Longhouse. We learned
about, you know, I remember we were, you know,
told about things like Manifest Destiny and,
you know, that one image. I don't know if you
know the name of that painting, but But, you
know, how it was basically essentially like propaganda
that was early, you know, an early form of propaganda.
I like your teachers. Yeah, they're pretty cool.
They're pretty cool people. Cool. OK, in your
10 years of doing this, what are some things
that you've learned, which we've talked a lot
about? So maybe how about any stories that you've
got from these last 10 years of doing this? You
know, anything stand out? Yeah. Well, I think
I've kind of touched upon it just a little bit.
But, you know, let's put it this way. When I
was growing up, I, you know, grew up you know,
within our traditional homelands and our territory.
You know, I have family who is leadership, you
know, grew up within our traditional culture.
And so that's what I learned. Right. That's like
the the foundation of of how I understood myself
to be in the world. And so, you know, then I
go off to school and it's kind of a bit of a
different reality every day. OK, it's fine, you
know, going through this. And then seventh grade,
I remember. getting a very big, thick U .S. history
textbook. And I was like, oh great, okay, well
now we're gonna get to hear stories about how
the Haudenosaunee interacted with Ben Franklin
and George Washington and what were those exchanges?
And none of that was in there for starters. But
I do remember at some point, I got excited because
I was like, oh, OK, yay. Now we're going to learn
about natives in US history. And it literally
was just a page, a front and a back page. There
was black and white photos and this idea of disappearing
indigenous people. And it said nothing about
Haudenosaunee people. And I'm sure it probably
talked about the Lakota nation, but I'm sure
it referred to them as the Sioux. Indians right
more than anything if it said it I don't remember
because it was it was a little it was a lot was
a few years ago sure yeah But I remember that
was it and I was like thinking to myself that
was so disappointing because here I was sitting
in a classroom of You know all other non -native
students and they missed out on the opportunity
to learn something that could have been super
impactful to their understanding of even just
being in relation to Haudenosaunee people, to
the Oneida people, who they interacted with on
a daily basis, and they didn't have the opportunity
to learn this history, right? So, you know, I
flash forward, you know, and I went to Cornell.
I was at an Ivy League Institute, and here I
am, and again, I'm sitting in a US history class,
and for whatever reason, The day that we were
covering the US Constitution, we had a guest
lecturer who was also a professor at Cornell
and talked about all these great things about
the Founding Fathers and da -da -da -da. Then
at the very end of the class says, oh yes, okay,
and let's talk about blacks and Indians. and
sent some really horrible things and just you
know quickly wrapped it all up and you know well
why do Indians get reservations and why can they
you know sell cigarettes, you know, whatever.
I can't remember what he said. And he says, oh,
because they were shooting arrows at us. And
so we had to give them something. Right. And
I'm at Cornell University. Right. And I thought,
wow, you know, so myself and a lot of other students
in the class were like pretty incensed at some
of the things that he said, you know, and about,
you know, other. you know, people and how the
Constitution was created. So at the end of the
class, everybody went down to talk to him and
he said, no, I'm not doing this. I know what
this is, you know, like as if somehow he's, you
know, being pinned in a corner to look like the
bad guy or something. And and he left, you know,
and and I thought, wow, like, that's it. There
was no opportunity for a conversation, dialogue,
decompressed like what just happened. So, you
know, flash forward, I go to law school. I went
to New York Law School. I have to. law degrees
and you know in that process I had to create
my own form of study because there wasn't anything
centered around you know indigenous you know
law and and you know I had to create it on my
own for myself um so you know it's of no surprise
that most people you know US citizens in this
country don't really have this history, right?
And in law school, I remember studying the Johnson
v. McIntosh case that has the Doctrine of Discovery
in it. And sitting in that class, and the conversation
as the professor, you know, tried to introduce
this concept, you know, the conversation just
kind of quickly like, you know, just fell into
this really awful place where all of a sudden
students in the classroom are talking about Did
the Indians teach the white people to scalp,
or did the white people teach the Indians to
scalp? And I just watched this unfolding, and
I thought, wow, I'm in law school. And this is
the same case that Harvard students, or Stanford
students, or whatever law school you're from,
this is the case that all students are introduced
to. And this is what happened in my law school.
No different, right? So I thought, wow, this
is just crazy. It's very perplexing. I thought
it was then, but as I've spent time continuing
to just pull apart what's happening here and
understand how this doctrine of discovery really
impacts people, I can understand why those attitudes
have been shaped. So now with the work that we
do at Rematriation, I have encountered so many
people who are just really grateful because they're
now learning pieces of history that help them
to have like these aha moments to say, oh, that
makes sense. I can see that. And I really appreciate
what is being shared with me. And I want to learn
more. I want to know more. You know, people have
attended our events and, you know, people have
like been in tears and said my life really feels
changed. Like I feel now like something has clicked
for me and you know, I'm more hopeful and, you
know, what can we do to change this? How can
we set something new? And I feel like that's
what continues to drive me at rematriation. It's
like the more that, you know, we can share with
the public, you know, for folks to say, well,
what can we do to change? Well. Change laws you
can change what's taught in your classroom, you
know, you can change, you know different dynamics
and and how we Manufacture or how we have a relationship
with the earth, right? It can be at a very granular
level or at a much bigger, you know level as
well awesome Yeah, I that is a That is a shocking,
those are shocking stories to sit in Cornell
into a, in a Cornell classroom and hear your
professor like kind of boil things down to something
so, you know, blunt and like low resolution.
I think that the term that was in my brain as
I was listening to your response is like, like
low resolution, right? That is a characterization,
like a mischaracterization of reality I feel
like. And I also, I think that it's really powerful
that instead of I think that in order to actually
create change, there's probably a lot of work
that needs to be done. And so the fact that you
are creating these educational materials around
these things, that is work, that is hard work
to do, right? Instead of, you know, Squabbling
with people instead saying hey, you know if you
are open to learning here are some interesting
things that you can can learn I think that that's
a very powerful way to help affect change. Yeah,
absolutely And now you know, I will say what
I think you know, some of the changes that I
see happening and I definitely encourage, you
know, continued support is, you know, I love
hearing the story about your teachers, you know,
who I'm sure might be engaged with different
community groups. Like I know here in Syracuse,
there's the neighbors of the Onondaga Nation.
you know, which, you know, develops a relationship
on a continual basis, you know, with the Onondaga
Nation and helping to bring those values here
into the city of Syracuse. So the values and
teachings on history, you know, Cornell and many
other, you know, institutes, institutions are
bringing more indigenous professors, you know,
as faculty to be able to sort of, you know, be
in a space to teach these histories and contemporary
issues. And I think it's always great. to hear
firsthand from the people, because it's very,
very different, right? That's not to say that
people can't teach the history. Certainly they
can. But I think that's what Rematurated Voices
does, is it brings you into conversation to be
in a space firsthand with hearing from leaders
and scholars who are in the space of sharing
this information. Creates kind of a unique opportunity
for people who are watching or listening to rematriated
voices Because it's also on podcast version I
said to say that but it just it allows you to
hear perspectives you you would maybe not normally
hear in your everyday life. Absolutely. Really
quick, I have to say also, Miss LaRose, she did
a great job. Now, Mrs. Stevens. Thank you, Miss
LaRose. She did awesome. And then also, I think
scouting also helped a lot. You know, I was in
Boy Scouts. And so, you know, we were always
at national parks and going to museums and things
and learning about the history of the of the
land and everything. So that I think also had
an impact on me. Yeah. I think that My last question
we kind of covered so I don't know Michelle.
Thank you very much This was a fantastic conversation
anything that you want to plug anything that
we did not talk about that you want to talk about
Well, I definitely say, you know come to our
event on the 31st If you can't make it check
out the series online, but also make sure to
visit us at rematriation org and so REMATRIATION
A lot of folks are like, how do you spell that?
So think about the word repatriation. Take out
the P for the patriarchy, and you put in the
matrilineality with the M. So rematriation. We'll
also have rematriativevoices .org up very soon.
And there folks can learn about how to also be
supportive of the work. So we're a charitable
501c3. So people can make tax deductible contributions
to help support our work. And we really are looking
to create a season two. So those, you know, those
contributions definitely really help in terms
of, you know. putting this media out that we
put out for free for the public. And so we encourage
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and engage with them and with our organization.
So thank you. Absolutely. Thank you. This is
Good News York. My name is Noah Chrysler. Thanks
so much for watching. Have a great day.