WEBVTT 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:13.279 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Good News York. 00:00:13.419 --> 00:00:15.599 My name is Noah Chrysler. Today we are here with 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:18.780 Michelle D. Shenandoah. Hi, Michelle. Hello. 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:22.160 Hi. Michelle is a Syracuse based founder, storyteller 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:24.960 and educator. She's built a platform that uplifts 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:27.859 indigenous women's voices and brings Haudenosaunee 00:00:27.859 --> 00:00:30.160 knowledge to public conversation through community 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:32.939 work, education and public media. She's the founder 00:00:32.939 --> 00:00:37.320 of Remetriation and host of the PBS series Remetriated 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:40.490 Voices with Michelle Shenandoah. How's it going? 00:00:40.869 --> 00:00:44.049 It's going really well. Yeah, it's going great 00:00:44.049 --> 00:00:46.170 today. Wonderful. Michelle, in your own words, 00:00:46.250 --> 00:00:47.570 can you please introduce yourself and kind of 00:00:47.570 --> 00:00:54.770 tell us what you do? My name is Michelle Shenandoah. 00:00:54.909 --> 00:01:00.729 I am called in my culture by my people. which 00:01:00.729 --> 00:01:04.730 means that she's fond of the sky. I am a member 00:01:04.730 --> 00:01:09.090 of the Oneida Nation Wolf Clan, and I am the 00:01:09.090 --> 00:01:12.489 founder of Rematriation, a non -profit organization 00:01:12.489 --> 00:01:17.750 based here in Syracuse. And we're just now actually 00:01:17.750 --> 00:01:21.569 celebrating our 10th year at putting this work 00:01:21.569 --> 00:01:27.549 out into the world. Wonderful. Your your name 00:01:27.549 --> 00:01:29.549 there was that given at birth or is that something 00:01:29.549 --> 00:01:31.530 that you choose? What is the process of that 00:01:31.530 --> 00:01:33.209 was very interesting? Can you tell me more about 00:01:33.209 --> 00:01:38.409 that? Yeah. So within our way, we receive a name. 00:01:38.469 --> 00:01:40.450 And it's not actually given to you at birth. 00:01:40.489 --> 00:01:44.030 It's given a little bit later on. And it can 00:01:44.030 --> 00:01:48.290 vary in age. But generally, when you are either 00:01:48.290 --> 00:01:51.569 a baby or you're young, you can change them as 00:01:51.569 --> 00:01:53.890 you get older. But it's given to you from your 00:01:53.890 --> 00:01:58.790 clan family. And so only one person can hold 00:01:58.790 --> 00:02:01.230 that name while they're alive. And then it kind 00:02:01.230 --> 00:02:05.599 of goes back. into a collection of names that 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.860 can be drawn from in the future for others to 00:02:08.860 --> 00:02:11.219 carry on that name. Very cool. That's awesome. 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:16.009 Cool. What is rematriation? What is rematriation? 00:02:16.189 --> 00:02:19.830 And can you tell us more about it? So rematriation 00:02:19.830 --> 00:02:24.090 actually has its roots in indigenous midwifery. 00:02:25.050 --> 00:02:28.229 And so rematriation now, if you look out into 00:02:28.229 --> 00:02:30.610 the world, you look at on the Internet, you can 00:02:30.610 --> 00:02:33.710 find it in quite a few places. It's growing. 00:02:33.930 --> 00:02:38.389 It's a movement. And but when it first started 00:02:38.389 --> 00:02:42.050 really emerging and being used, it was within 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.560 our community and one of our clan mothers who 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:49.039 we call mama bear who we'll probably talk about 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:52.710 today. She was starting to use this in a new 00:02:52.710 --> 00:02:56.409 context in relation to items that were being 00:02:56.409 --> 00:03:00.969 returned from museums back to our people. And 00:03:00.969 --> 00:03:04.289 then with her being a person within the political 00:03:04.289 --> 00:03:06.030 sphere of the Haudenosaunee was also starting 00:03:06.030 --> 00:03:09.030 to use it in other contexts in relation to our 00:03:09.030 --> 00:03:11.629 governance. And so now you can see rematriation 00:03:11.629 --> 00:03:14.409 has moved in the spaces of food sovereignty, 00:03:14.870 --> 00:03:18.930 cultural revitalization. It's in governance. 00:03:19.180 --> 00:03:21.419 It's still within this process of what people 00:03:21.419 --> 00:03:24.159 would sometimes call repatriation. So I worked 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:28.889 with Mama Bear to create a definition from our 00:03:28.889 --> 00:03:32.509 Haudenosaunee women's perspective. And we came 00:03:32.509 --> 00:03:36.330 up with returning the sacred to the mother. And 00:03:36.330 --> 00:03:39.550 it really creates an opportunity for others to 00:03:39.550 --> 00:03:43.449 be able to live into it as a practice, as a movement. 00:03:44.389 --> 00:03:48.469 And so mother as in mother earth, as in mothers, 00:03:49.069 --> 00:03:52.889 as in the mother tongue. and the mother language 00:03:52.889 --> 00:03:56.629 that we all learn, looking at language revitalization, 00:03:56.949 --> 00:04:00.770 looking at seed, heirloom seeds of our people 00:04:00.770 --> 00:04:02.969 and using those to feed our people, centered 00:04:02.969 --> 00:04:06.009 around food sovereignty. So it really can grow 00:04:06.009 --> 00:04:10.310 in context. And so rematriation as our organization 00:04:10.310 --> 00:04:14.550 is... You know helping to uplift all of that 00:04:14.550 --> 00:04:17.290 movement and telling the stories so turning the 00:04:17.290 --> 00:04:20.689 cameras on turning on You know the audio and 00:04:20.689 --> 00:04:23.389 you know being able to share that out and really 00:04:23.389 --> 00:04:26.750 helping the the movement to grow Very cool. Can 00:04:26.750 --> 00:04:28.970 we zoom in on certain aspects of that? So it's 00:04:28.970 --> 00:04:31.970 particularly around like food. Uh, can you tell 00:04:31.970 --> 00:04:35.069 me more about uh, like Let's zoom in there right 00:04:35.069 --> 00:04:36.750 because I think that that's everybody understands 00:04:36.750 --> 00:04:39.170 food to a certain extent. But uh, so when you 00:04:39.170 --> 00:04:42.110 talk about used a certain phrase that I don't 00:04:42.110 --> 00:04:44.529 exactly remember, but basically... Can you tell 00:04:44.529 --> 00:04:47.949 me more about like this idea of food? Food sovereignty. 00:04:48.009 --> 00:04:49.589 Food sovereignty was the term. Yeah. Tell me 00:04:49.589 --> 00:04:51.589 about that. Well, you know, so being here in 00:04:51.589 --> 00:04:54.170 Syracuse, I will say, you know, it's important 00:04:54.170 --> 00:04:56.449 for folks to know, which I think most people 00:04:56.449 --> 00:04:58.430 here in Syracuse know that the Onondaga Nation 00:04:58.430 --> 00:05:02.790 is located directly south of Syracuse. And so, 00:05:02.790 --> 00:05:05.209 you know, when you look at food sovereignty, 00:05:05.449 --> 00:05:08.829 I'm going to, you know, bring up one of the community 00:05:08.829 --> 00:05:12.389 members there. Her name is Angela Ferguson. And 00:05:12.389 --> 00:05:15.649 so she does a lot centered around food sovereignty 00:05:15.649 --> 00:05:19.149 as part of a bigger movement that's happening 00:05:19.149 --> 00:05:22.089 across Turtle Island. And that's what we call 00:05:22.089 --> 00:05:26.629 North America. And so Angela has been very much 00:05:26.629 --> 00:05:31.810 invested in really helping to create a connection 00:05:31.810 --> 00:05:36.290 between the original seeds of people from across 00:05:36.290 --> 00:05:39.970 the Americas with seeds that they have not had 00:05:39.970 --> 00:05:44.120 for who knows, generations, hundreds of years. 00:05:45.660 --> 00:05:49.220 And so in a collection of seeds that she had 00:05:49.220 --> 00:05:52.970 come to become a caretaker for. included all 00:05:52.970 --> 00:05:56.629 these seeds from people that even some who the 00:05:56.629 --> 00:05:59.769 people aren't even here anymore. So imagine, 00:05:59.910 --> 00:06:03.370 think about it this way, imagine wherever you're 00:06:03.370 --> 00:06:06.730 from, your homelands, and think about seeds that 00:06:06.730 --> 00:06:10.269 were cultivated and cared for by your ancestors, 00:06:10.490 --> 00:06:13.959 your great, great, great grandmothers. and then 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:16.660 there was some something happened you know and 00:06:16.660 --> 00:06:19.279 then you were separated from those original foods 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:23.259 and so you know coming back to them and and being 00:06:23.259 --> 00:06:26.779 able to grow them in your own soil in your homeland 00:06:26.779 --> 00:06:29.680 and to eat those foods that your ancestors ate 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.019 like that's kind of really like you know a part 00:06:33.019 --> 00:06:35.339 of food sovereignty or at least with the work 00:06:35.339 --> 00:06:38.930 that she's been doing But it is those original 00:06:38.930 --> 00:06:41.709 seeds. It is those foods that your ancestors 00:06:41.709 --> 00:06:45.269 ate, and it speaks to your DNA, right? And it 00:06:45.269 --> 00:06:47.529 speaks to the soil from where those seeds are 00:06:47.529 --> 00:06:51.850 from, because they've learned how to adapt to 00:06:51.850 --> 00:06:55.649 the conditions of that land, right? You can take 00:06:55.649 --> 00:06:58.610 seeds from here and try to plant them somewhere 00:06:58.610 --> 00:07:02.949 else in the world, and they may not grow from 00:07:02.949 --> 00:07:05.420 there, because it... Doesn't speak the same language 00:07:05.420 --> 00:07:08.279 in nature, right? So and it's you know, also 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:10.519 related to our bodies like when you think about 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:14.160 you know, um You know different things related 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.459 to epigenetics or i'm trying to remember all 00:07:16.459 --> 00:07:18.519 those fancy names for those diets, right? Where 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.860 you eat like your ancestral diet and it it speaks 00:07:21.860 --> 00:07:24.319 to your body and that's that's basically You 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:26.360 know what that is and to be able to feed your 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:30.160 own people With your original foods. So yeah, 00:07:30.180 --> 00:07:33.560 no, that's I think that that is a very fascinating 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:36.300 concepts, especially with all of the, you know, 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:38.319 processed foods that we eat nowadays and all 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:41.389 of the mass -grown plants and things that come 00:07:41.389 --> 00:07:43.410 out of these like factory farms and that sort 00:07:43.410 --> 00:07:46.569 of things. Seeds that actually are created today 00:07:46.569 --> 00:07:49.730 that do not reproduce. So if you were to save 00:07:49.730 --> 00:07:53.189 the seeds from certain foods that we buy from 00:07:53.189 --> 00:07:55.670 the grocery store today, a lot of them will not 00:07:55.670 --> 00:07:58.709 reproduce. They will not grow because it's forcing 00:07:58.709 --> 00:08:02.209 people to have to go buy seeds from a company 00:08:02.209 --> 00:08:05.189 to produce foods that are, you know, grown one 00:08:05.189 --> 00:08:09.050 time. And then so the cycle continues. But imagine 00:08:09.050 --> 00:08:11.509 seed that you know do what seeds are supposed 00:08:11.509 --> 00:08:15.110 to do right and so you know that that really 00:08:15.110 --> 00:08:19.529 is rematriation helping to you know preserve 00:08:19.529 --> 00:08:22.009 and cultivate those original seeds that are people 00:08:22.009 --> 00:08:25.069 from all around the world you know have been 00:08:25.069 --> 00:08:29.029 planting since time immemorial beautiful yeah 00:08:29.029 --> 00:08:32.049 um and rematriation so basically that's one example 00:08:32.049 --> 00:08:34.029 that's a zoomed in example but rematriation is 00:08:34.029 --> 00:08:36.980 basically doing all of that with basically all 00:08:36.980 --> 00:08:38.919 aspects of indigenous culture, is that correct? 00:08:39.309 --> 00:08:42.190 You know essentially in a way. Yeah, you know 00:08:42.190 --> 00:08:45.470 because when you think about like language original 00:08:45.470 --> 00:08:49.049 languages, you know speaks to something Ancestrally 00:08:49.049 --> 00:08:53.370 to you And and with your cultural practices as 00:08:53.370 --> 00:08:56.789 well, right? So for anyone if you find that, 00:08:56.889 --> 00:08:59.950 you know You trace those that lineage and those 00:08:59.950 --> 00:09:02.429 roots back to your homelands and those original 00:09:02.429 --> 00:09:05.429 songs and practices and language It's really 00:09:05.429 --> 00:09:07.809 gonna speak to your spirit. You know, your soul 00:09:07.809 --> 00:09:11.000 is going to feel that and so you know essentially 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:13.500 yeah that's that's what it is but I think even 00:09:13.500 --> 00:09:17.879 on a bigger level is taking that even a step 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:21.220 further and thinking about our relationship with 00:09:21.220 --> 00:09:23.679 the earth right because that's something that 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:28.039 all humans had at one point right is that real 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:30.840 deep connection with the understanding that you 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.779 know This is how we live. This is what allows 00:09:33.779 --> 00:09:37.480 us to live. So being able to be in relationship 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.240 with the Earth, with Mother Earth, because right 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:44.080 now she really truly is pushing on everybody 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:47.899 to say, hey, you have to change how you're doing 00:09:47.899 --> 00:09:50.480 what you're doing, especially if you want to 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:53.080 survive. where you want to make sure that your 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:56.580 future generations of your grandkids' grandkids 00:09:56.580 --> 00:09:59.399 will be able to survive. And so that's why we 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.240 do what we do at rematriation, is to tell those 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:07.519 stories, to give pathways and shape new ways 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:10.480 of thinking by all people with bringing in that 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:12.620 indigenous knowledge that has always thought 00:10:12.620 --> 00:10:15.259 that way, thinking about seven generations into 00:10:15.259 --> 00:10:18.860 the future. Wow. Yeah. From that specific lens, 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:20.960 what are some of the ways that you see Mother 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.360 Earth objecting to what's currently going on? 00:10:25.890 --> 00:10:29.909 I think we all can see it, right? From climate 00:10:29.909 --> 00:10:34.830 change to, you know, there's just, when you say 00:10:34.830 --> 00:10:38.389 climate change, it just is one thing. But when 00:10:38.389 --> 00:10:42.090 you look at it on the local level, you know, 00:10:42.090 --> 00:10:44.529 we can feel that in the differences and from 00:10:44.529 --> 00:10:47.250 the weather patterns to then how that can be 00:10:47.250 --> 00:10:50.730 devastating, right? To how we live our lives 00:10:50.730 --> 00:10:54.210 and, you know, the safety of our own homes and 00:10:54.210 --> 00:10:58.409 our communities. Right, so I think we can all 00:10:58.409 --> 00:11:01.049 acknowledge that, you know, to species, you know, 00:11:01.149 --> 00:11:03.529 that are disappearing or that are struggling 00:11:03.529 --> 00:11:05.889 to be able to live in their natural habitats, 00:11:05.889 --> 00:11:10.450 right? To the air that we breathe, right? Like, 00:11:10.570 --> 00:11:13.629 is it clean? Is it pure? Is the water that we 00:11:13.629 --> 00:11:17.809 drink is that clean and is that pure? And will 00:11:17.809 --> 00:11:22.850 it be able to sustain, you know, some level of 00:11:22.850 --> 00:11:25.490 purity that future generations will be able to 00:11:25.490 --> 00:11:29.129 drink the water or to breathe the air and be 00:11:29.129 --> 00:11:31.149 healthy, right? I think that's the important 00:11:31.149 --> 00:11:36.340 thing. Yeah, absolutely. No, that is absolutely 00:11:36.340 --> 00:11:38.000 fascinating We should probably get back on track 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:39.659 because I know I sent you these questions before 00:11:39.659 --> 00:11:41.779 so but no That's that's very fascinating and 00:11:41.779 --> 00:11:44.019 as someone who you know hopes to have children 00:11:44.019 --> 00:11:46.100 someday like, you know I think about those things 00:11:46.100 --> 00:11:48.179 all the time, right? It's like so I want to bring 00:11:48.179 --> 00:11:50.879 future generations into this world when they 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:53.480 might not have clean water to drink or I mean 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:57.740 that is a That is a very top of mind relevant 00:11:57.740 --> 00:12:01.190 conversation to have so Absolutely cool. Um, 00:12:01.330 --> 00:12:04.250 will there be another season of rematriated voices? 00:12:04.490 --> 00:12:06.950 So yes Well, let's talk about the first season 00:12:06.950 --> 00:12:10.470 of rematriated voices. Yeah. So this first season 00:12:10.470 --> 00:12:16.809 that has been released was aired on our local 00:12:16.809 --> 00:12:20.710 PBS station WCNY. And so folks can actually go 00:12:20.710 --> 00:12:23.950 and access the episodes now by, you know, typing 00:12:23.950 --> 00:12:26.669 in Bermatriated Voices, WCNY, they'll pop up. 00:12:26.830 --> 00:12:28.909 There's five episodes that are there. And it 00:12:28.909 --> 00:12:34.070 really takes people through. a landscape of Haudenosaunee 00:12:34.070 --> 00:12:38.049 and Indigenous perspectives, and also coupled 00:12:38.049 --> 00:12:41.289 with work that allies are doing alongside us 00:12:41.289 --> 00:12:44.129 to also be able to uplift this important knowledge. 00:12:44.710 --> 00:12:48.190 And so those five episodes are there. They, you 00:12:48.190 --> 00:12:51.610 know, center around different components of history 00:12:51.610 --> 00:12:56.330 or of cultural teaching, also looking at the 00:12:56.330 --> 00:12:59.389 roots of the U .S. Constitution, which are Indigenous 00:12:59.389 --> 00:13:04.059 and actually from right here in hometown Syracuse 00:13:04.059 --> 00:13:07.419 for folks who are from here. People don't recognize 00:13:07.419 --> 00:13:10.559 that this is the birthplace of modern democracy. 00:13:11.980 --> 00:13:14.820 That should be mind -blowing for some who've 00:13:14.820 --> 00:13:17.460 never heard that before. Like, what does that 00:13:17.460 --> 00:13:21.080 mean, really? And so, okay, so if the roots of 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:23.139 the Constitution are indigenous, what did we 00:13:23.139 --> 00:13:26.039 miss out on? What was maybe left out? Why is 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:29.919 it not working today? What are maybe some things 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:32.000 that we can learn and bring into the space of 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.679 today? And that's what we explore in Rematriated 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.080 Voices, in the episode that's called Hidden Roots 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:40.759 of Democracy. We have another episode that's 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:43.879 called Eve Meets Sky Woman. And that is focused 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:48.460 in on the Haudenosaunee influence on women's 00:13:48.460 --> 00:13:51.779 suffrage, on the early suffragists. And again, 00:13:51.779 --> 00:13:54.120 taking a look at what was left out or taking 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:57.320 a look at, you know, to the, you know, origin 00:13:57.320 --> 00:14:00.580 stories of Eve, you know, of the story of Adam 00:14:00.580 --> 00:14:03.899 and Eve. And then, you know, comparing that and 00:14:03.899 --> 00:14:06.460 contrasting that to the story of Sky Woman, which 00:14:06.460 --> 00:14:09.220 is, you know, the origin creation story for the 00:14:09.220 --> 00:14:12.340 Haudenosaunee. And so It's really beautiful. 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.679 It also... has one of our clan mothers in there, 00:14:16.860 --> 00:14:20.580 Mama Bear, who's in a few of the episodes. And 00:14:20.580 --> 00:14:24.000 also the late Dr. Sally Roche Wagner, who was 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.320 a really good friend to the Haudenosaunee and 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:30.080 was one of the very first scholars to actually 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:33.220 write about the Haudenosaunee influence on women's 00:14:33.220 --> 00:14:37.059 suffrage. So that is, you know, part of what 00:14:37.059 --> 00:14:39.720 people can see in there. And then in addition 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.159 to an episode about matrilineal men and what 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.590 is it like for men to to grow up in a matrilineal 00:14:45.590 --> 00:14:48.210 culture, and it's probably surprising for most, 00:14:48.230 --> 00:14:51.210 you know, because you have these men who are 00:14:51.210 --> 00:14:54.330 just, you know, really strong and grounded in 00:14:54.330 --> 00:14:56.950 who they are, who are chiefs and, you know, they're 00:14:56.950 --> 00:15:01.169 leaders of our nations, and people might not 00:15:01.169 --> 00:15:05.610 expect that, right? And so, yeah, I really encourage 00:15:05.610 --> 00:15:09.110 folks to check out those episodes, but let's 00:15:09.110 --> 00:15:10.929 go back to your original question, because you'll 00:15:10.929 --> 00:15:14.519 have to remind me what it was. You're fine. With 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:16.159 the next season will there be next season and 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.659 so I would love for us to have a season two Yes, 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:23.360 so I'm I'm thinking about it and right now. We're 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:27.240 still in the process of really getting season 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:31.480 one out there into the world and so actually 00:15:31.980 --> 00:15:36.659 This coming Tuesday, March 31st, we are hosting 00:15:36.659 --> 00:15:41.559 a public event at the WCNY studios in downtown. 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.980 And so there's tickets are selling out really 00:15:45.980 --> 00:15:48.379 fast. There is a capacity. So I would encourage 00:15:48.379 --> 00:15:51.659 folks to take a look on Eventbrite. And so if 00:15:51.659 --> 00:15:54.120 you go to Eventbrite .com and you put in roommate 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:59.360 -traded voices, you can get. A ticket to come, 00:15:59.580 --> 00:16:02.960 it's next week. And so there we're going to be 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:05.879 exploring this new screening series. It's like 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:08.240 a campaign that we're putting out into the world 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:12.820 and asking folks to join us by creating their 00:16:12.820 --> 00:16:16.519 own DIY hosting. And so this will give people 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:20.279 an opportunity to be able to screen an episode 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:23.559 or all five of the episodes, whatever is their 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:26.500 comfort level. And they can do this in their 00:16:26.500 --> 00:16:29.659 home with a few other friends. They can do it 00:16:29.659 --> 00:16:33.080 in a community setting, whether it's a community 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:36.659 organization, a congregation, or if you're a 00:16:36.659 --> 00:16:38.779 teacher and you want to bring it into your classroom. 00:16:40.500 --> 00:16:43.580 It's really kind of at the level each person 00:16:43.580 --> 00:16:46.799 is interested in participating. But we'd like 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:50.240 to get folks to do a screening, and then we're 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:52.539 going to provide everyone with a hosting kit. 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.120 And that will kind of help them to facilitate 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:58.639 and walk them through a screening but then also 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:03.299 to be able to have a meaningful dialogue after 00:17:03.299 --> 00:17:06.500 the event and to be able to talk about it right 00:17:06.500 --> 00:17:08.619 because there's so much content in there that 00:17:08.619 --> 00:17:11.920 folks say I don't, I never knew this. Like what 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:13.900 do I do with this information now? So it gives 00:17:13.900 --> 00:17:17.140 people an opportunity to talk together about 00:17:17.140 --> 00:17:20.579 it. And that's one thing that we find is a really 00:17:20.579 --> 00:17:24.359 great value of what we're creating. And I don't 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:28.220 mean value and monetary perspective, but value 00:17:28.220 --> 00:17:31.319 in terms of how it can enrich our lives. Very 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:33.960 cool. Yeah. Of the episodes that you've released, 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.579 which episode do you think is one of the more 00:17:37.579 --> 00:17:39.539 important ones for the current cultural conversation? 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:43.000 Oh, that's really hard to answer. So the reason 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:45.500 that it's difficult to answer, I think it really 00:17:45.500 --> 00:17:49.640 depends on... where people's perspective is, 00:17:49.779 --> 00:17:51.839 right? I mean, there's, you know, such a diverse 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:54.940 community here in Syracuse, but even just in 00:17:54.940 --> 00:17:57.240 general, like human beings, we all have different 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:59.839 interests. So, you know, for instance, Hidden 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:03.000 Roots of Democracy is focused in on, you know, 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:06.039 the U .S. governance, on democracy, what was 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.980 left out, then the Eve, you know, and meets Sky 00:18:09.980 --> 00:18:12.660 Woman, focused in on women's suffrage. Then we 00:18:12.660 --> 00:18:14.500 have another one that's called First Environment. 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:18.569 And, you know, that is one of our indigenous 00:18:18.569 --> 00:18:22.430 midwives who's an elder, Gudgey Cook, and Robin 00:18:22.430 --> 00:18:25.349 Wall Kimmerer, who some of you may know. She 00:18:25.349 --> 00:18:31.130 is not only a professor at SUNY ESF, she is Potawatomi, 00:18:31.450 --> 00:18:33.710 but she's also a New York Times bestseller of 00:18:33.710 --> 00:18:36.690 the book Braiding Sweetgrass. a lot of people 00:18:36.690 --> 00:18:39.670 love. So she brings science together and the 00:18:39.670 --> 00:18:41.990 two of them talk about like our relationship 00:18:41.990 --> 00:18:44.650 with Mother Earth, right? So then we have another 00:18:44.650 --> 00:18:48.029 one that's centered on, you know, the doctrine 00:18:48.029 --> 00:18:53.670 of discovery and it's taking a look at how this 00:18:53.670 --> 00:18:56.970 doctrine of discovery has embedded in U .S. law. 00:18:57.150 --> 00:19:01.549 and even in Canadian law. And what are the impacts 00:19:01.549 --> 00:19:04.849 upon Indigenous people today? And how has that 00:19:04.849 --> 00:19:10.490 caused an erasure of Indigenous history, culture, 00:19:10.789 --> 00:19:15.200 and identity over the last 500 plus years? In 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.619 the americas and so what are those impacts today? 00:19:18.619 --> 00:19:21.640 And what are indigenous women and allies doing 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:25.059 about that, right? So there's you know, it really 00:19:25.059 --> 00:19:27.759 just kind of depends on where somebody would 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:31.400 like to jump in but given that this country is 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:35.859 now celebrating its 250th year of You know declaring 00:19:35.859 --> 00:19:38.559 independence, you know, the hidden roots of democracy 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:41.259 could be a good place to start Yeah, cool. That 00:19:41.259 --> 00:19:43.500 actually is a great segue into my next question, 00:19:43.500 --> 00:19:45.000 which is why do you think these perspectives 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:47.160 have been left out of the mainstream conversation 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:50.279 so much? What do you think led to that happening? 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:55.259 Well, OK. So I really love looking at systems 00:19:55.259 --> 00:19:59.619 and what's sort of like the root cause. And so 00:19:59.619 --> 00:20:03.019 the Doctrine of Discovery, which I have just 00:20:03.019 --> 00:20:07.380 mentioned, was created by the Vatican. It's a 00:20:07.380 --> 00:20:11.380 series of papal bulls that began to be called 00:20:11.380 --> 00:20:14.559 this Doctrine of Discovery. What it really is 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:18.579 essentially is it's what gave the legal right 00:20:18.579 --> 00:20:23.200 to early European explorers like Columbus and 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:26.660 all those who came over here to put their flag 00:20:26.660 --> 00:20:30.099 into the soil and claim the land and the resources 00:20:30.099 --> 00:20:34.599 in the name of the crowns of Europe. With that, 00:20:34.890 --> 00:20:37.569 It was basically stating that the indigenous 00:20:37.569 --> 00:20:41.210 people, you know, were not Christians and therefore, 00:20:41.589 --> 00:20:44.470 you know, were basically of the flora and fauna, 00:20:44.470 --> 00:20:48.509 you know, without having a soul. And so, therefore, 00:20:48.809 --> 00:20:51.230 the European explorers could do whatever they 00:20:51.230 --> 00:20:54.130 liked with, you know, removing indigenous peoples 00:20:54.130 --> 00:20:57.890 from the land. So that essentially has led to 00:20:57.890 --> 00:21:00.650 genocide over, you know, the last 500 years. 00:21:01.069 --> 00:21:03.950 Now, but what's interesting is that has made 00:21:03.950 --> 00:21:07.250 its way into US law, which is still valid law 00:21:07.250 --> 00:21:10.750 to this day. So when you look at early case law, 00:21:11.190 --> 00:21:15.750 the United States created, used the Doctrine 00:21:15.750 --> 00:21:19.230 of Discovery to claim all the lands in its, you 00:21:19.230 --> 00:21:22.569 know, that it ever, you know, acquired or took 00:21:22.569 --> 00:21:26.710 or however it came into land. And then You see 00:21:26.710 --> 00:21:30.990 it again in 2005 in a case against the Oneidas, 00:21:31.210 --> 00:21:34.569 against my nation. And it was cited by Ruth Bader 00:21:34.569 --> 00:21:37.450 Ginsburg, of all things, right? So it really 00:21:37.450 --> 00:21:39.710 has some really devastating effects, because 00:21:39.710 --> 00:21:43.910 when you think about it, law really shapes policy. 00:21:44.750 --> 00:21:50.289 And policy shapes education and curriculum. and 00:21:50.289 --> 00:21:52.589 education then shapes how we get to know one 00:21:52.589 --> 00:21:55.509 another and how we treat one another and what 00:21:55.509 --> 00:21:58.210 we value. And so if you think about it, if the 00:21:58.210 --> 00:22:01.069 doctrine of discovery is embedded in the law, 00:22:01.069 --> 00:22:05.369 right, which invisibilizes and erases indigenous 00:22:05.369 --> 00:22:09.009 people from the land, and it's still valid to 00:22:09.009 --> 00:22:12.289 this day, like all the way up to 2005, you see 00:22:12.289 --> 00:22:14.809 it still continuing to exist. It's still on the 00:22:14.809 --> 00:22:18.430 books. So that really Right there if you look 00:22:18.430 --> 00:22:22.349 at root cause kind of explains why there is an 00:22:22.349 --> 00:22:25.730 invisibilization and lack of indigenous history 00:22:25.730 --> 00:22:30.269 in Curriculums or even understanding of people 00:22:30.269 --> 00:22:33.009 today that exist. Absolutely. Yeah, what do you 00:22:33.009 --> 00:22:35.670 think changes when? Those things that have been 00:22:35.670 --> 00:22:37.490 made invisible when they're not invisible when 00:22:37.490 --> 00:22:39.950 they're reintroduced to the conversation Well, 00:22:39.950 --> 00:22:44.440 I will say that What I have discovered for folks 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:48.920 who, you know, come to learn about Indigenous 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:53.720 histories, people, value, thinking, and being 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:56.839 able to even apply it in today, what I always 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:01.339 see is that there is a deeper understanding and 00:23:01.339 --> 00:23:04.700 an appreciation, number one, for the people, 00:23:05.059 --> 00:23:08.309 but also this other thing that happens where 00:23:08.309 --> 00:23:11.390 people say, I didn't know this. I never knew 00:23:11.390 --> 00:23:15.390 this. Why did I not know this? Why was this never 00:23:15.390 --> 00:23:19.410 taught to me in school? Right? So I always find 00:23:19.410 --> 00:23:23.710 that to be such a moment. But then when people 00:23:23.710 --> 00:23:27.369 who have like, you know, developed relationship 00:23:27.369 --> 00:23:31.450 or gotten closer to, you know, these teachings 00:23:31.450 --> 00:23:35.970 and understandings, they have much more of a 00:23:35.970 --> 00:23:39.470 heart opening right to say wow like this has 00:23:39.470 --> 00:23:42.289 so much meaning to it that i can bring even to 00:23:42.289 --> 00:23:46.769 my own life yeah absolutely from my own experience 00:23:46.769 --> 00:23:49.609 i was i was educated locally i went to you know 00:23:49.609 --> 00:23:53.430 middle school high school uh very close to here 00:23:53.430 --> 00:23:56.900 and um I think they did a great job honestly 00:23:56.900 --> 00:23:59.900 of it of educating us about indigenous peoples 00:23:59.900 --> 00:24:02.720 and indigenous values and I don't know but as 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:04.640 I've talked to more people who you know went 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.039 to different high schools and different districts 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:08.559 and things I also have realized that like oh 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:10.599 this was not the things that we were taught were 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:13.680 not taught to everybody so I don't know I hear 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:16.059 what you're saying yeah you know it might have 00:24:16.059 --> 00:24:20.019 a lot to do with who your teacher was right because 00:24:20.019 --> 00:24:23.880 I think each teacher gets to decide for themselves 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:28.480 like how they're going to teach, you know, this 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:30.359 curriculum and usually it's taught in the fourth 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:34.779 grade. And so if you have somebody who may, you 00:24:34.779 --> 00:24:37.019 know, perhaps have been more connected to one 00:24:37.019 --> 00:24:39.279 of our nations and spent time studying the history 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:42.420 will invest more time teaching the kids. But 00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:44.920 I also like to ask people like, you know, what 00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:47.150 do you remember from the fourth grade? Right? 00:24:47.390 --> 00:24:51.089 And how does that become relevant to understanding 00:24:51.089 --> 00:24:53.970 your political landscape that you live in today, 00:24:54.130 --> 00:24:56.230 right? Or legal landscape that you live in today. 00:24:56.670 --> 00:24:59.670 And so, you know, I just like to think about 00:24:59.670 --> 00:25:01.750 when we think about all the voices at the table, 00:25:02.329 --> 00:25:04.990 right? So who have been the primary, you know, 00:25:05.109 --> 00:25:07.710 voices at the table and how could it be different, 00:25:08.049 --> 00:25:11.450 perhaps if there were more, you know, perspectives 00:25:11.450 --> 00:25:14.170 to really think about? you know, how we live 00:25:14.170 --> 00:25:17.829 in relation to the land or each other. Absolutely. 00:25:18.990 --> 00:25:21.190 I mean, I have personal answers to those questions, 00:25:21.490 --> 00:25:23.289 but I don't know. Mrs. Brady did a pretty good 00:25:23.289 --> 00:25:25.750 job. Mrs. Wanovich did a pretty good job, I think. 00:25:25.970 --> 00:25:28.910 We learned about like the Longhouse. We learned 00:25:28.910 --> 00:25:33.170 about, you know, I remember we were, you know, 00:25:33.250 --> 00:25:35.250 told about things like Manifest Destiny and, 00:25:35.250 --> 00:25:37.910 you know, that one image. I don't know if you 00:25:37.910 --> 00:25:40.599 know the name of that painting, but But, you 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:42.779 know, how it was basically essentially like propaganda 00:25:42.779 --> 00:25:46.059 that was early, you know, an early form of propaganda. 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.480 I like your teachers. Yeah, they're pretty cool. 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.579 They're pretty cool people. Cool. OK, in your 00:25:51.579 --> 00:25:53.400 10 years of doing this, what are some things 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:54.720 that you've learned, which we've talked a lot 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:56.599 about? So maybe how about any stories that you've 00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:58.779 got from these last 10 years of doing this? You 00:25:58.779 --> 00:26:01.259 know, anything stand out? Yeah. Well, I think 00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:03.279 I've kind of touched upon it just a little bit. 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:06.619 But, you know, let's put it this way. When I 00:26:06.619 --> 00:26:09.420 was growing up, I, you know, grew up you know, 00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:12.720 within our traditional homelands and our territory. 00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.740 You know, I have family who is leadership, you 00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:18.900 know, grew up within our traditional culture. 00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:23.440 And so that's what I learned. Right. That's like 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:26.759 the the foundation of of how I understood myself 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:29.000 to be in the world. And so, you know, then I 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.700 go off to school and it's kind of a bit of a 00:26:31.700 --> 00:26:34.240 different reality every day. OK, it's fine, you 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.119 know, going through this. And then seventh grade, 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:42.769 I remember. getting a very big, thick U .S. history 00:26:42.769 --> 00:26:46.269 textbook. And I was like, oh great, okay, well 00:26:46.269 --> 00:26:49.430 now we're gonna get to hear stories about how 00:26:49.430 --> 00:26:52.109 the Haudenosaunee interacted with Ben Franklin 00:26:52.109 --> 00:26:57.369 and George Washington and what were those exchanges? 00:26:57.710 --> 00:27:00.789 And none of that was in there for starters. But 00:27:00.789 --> 00:27:03.769 I do remember at some point, I got excited because 00:27:03.769 --> 00:27:06.009 I was like, oh, OK, yay. Now we're going to learn 00:27:06.009 --> 00:27:09.349 about natives in US history. And it literally 00:27:09.349 --> 00:27:11.910 was just a page, a front and a back page. There 00:27:11.910 --> 00:27:16.630 was black and white photos and this idea of disappearing 00:27:16.630 --> 00:27:20.509 indigenous people. And it said nothing about 00:27:20.509 --> 00:27:23.150 Haudenosaunee people. And I'm sure it probably 00:27:23.150 --> 00:27:25.970 talked about the Lakota nation, but I'm sure 00:27:25.970 --> 00:27:28.809 it referred to them as the Sioux. Indians right 00:27:28.809 --> 00:27:31.049 more than anything if it said it I don't remember 00:27:31.049 --> 00:27:33.109 because it was it was a little it was a lot was 00:27:33.109 --> 00:27:37.069 a few years ago sure yeah But I remember that 00:27:37.069 --> 00:27:39.549 was it and I was like thinking to myself that 00:27:39.549 --> 00:27:42.170 was so disappointing because here I was sitting 00:27:42.170 --> 00:27:46.950 in a classroom of You know all other non -native 00:27:46.950 --> 00:27:50.589 students and they missed out on the opportunity 00:27:50.589 --> 00:27:53.329 to learn something that could have been super 00:27:53.329 --> 00:27:57.109 impactful to their understanding of even just 00:27:57.109 --> 00:28:00.349 being in relation to Haudenosaunee people, to 00:28:00.349 --> 00:28:03.210 the Oneida people, who they interacted with on 00:28:03.210 --> 00:28:06.470 a daily basis, and they didn't have the opportunity 00:28:06.470 --> 00:28:09.829 to learn this history, right? So, you know, I 00:28:09.829 --> 00:28:12.509 flash forward, you know, and I went to Cornell. 00:28:12.650 --> 00:28:16.089 I was at an Ivy League Institute, and here I 00:28:16.089 --> 00:28:20.210 am, and again, I'm sitting in a US history class, 00:28:20.529 --> 00:28:25.839 and for whatever reason, The day that we were 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:29.240 covering the US Constitution, we had a guest 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:31.960 lecturer who was also a professor at Cornell 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:35.200 and talked about all these great things about 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:38.039 the Founding Fathers and da -da -da -da. Then 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.740 at the very end of the class says, oh yes, okay, 00:28:41.859 --> 00:28:45.710 and let's talk about blacks and Indians. and 00:28:45.710 --> 00:28:49.230 sent some really horrible things and just you 00:28:49.230 --> 00:28:51.190 know quickly wrapped it all up and you know well 00:28:51.190 --> 00:28:54.130 why do Indians get reservations and why can they 00:28:54.130 --> 00:28:57.079 you know sell cigarettes, you know, whatever. 00:28:57.299 --> 00:28:59.420 I can't remember what he said. And he says, oh, 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:01.720 because they were shooting arrows at us. And 00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:04.480 so we had to give them something. Right. And 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:07.539 I'm at Cornell University. Right. And I thought, 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.000 wow, you know, so myself and a lot of other students 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.000 in the class were like pretty incensed at some 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:15.920 of the things that he said, you know, and about, 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:19.490 you know, other. you know, people and how the 00:29:19.490 --> 00:29:21.329 Constitution was created. So at the end of the 00:29:21.329 --> 00:29:23.410 class, everybody went down to talk to him and 00:29:23.410 --> 00:29:25.250 he said, no, I'm not doing this. I know what 00:29:25.250 --> 00:29:27.730 this is, you know, like as if somehow he's, you 00:29:27.730 --> 00:29:29.829 know, being pinned in a corner to look like the 00:29:29.829 --> 00:29:33.170 bad guy or something. And and he left, you know, 00:29:33.170 --> 00:29:35.450 and and I thought, wow, like, that's it. There 00:29:35.450 --> 00:29:38.769 was no opportunity for a conversation, dialogue, 00:29:38.890 --> 00:29:42.470 decompressed like what just happened. So, you 00:29:42.470 --> 00:29:45.609 know, flash forward, I go to law school. I went 00:29:45.609 --> 00:29:48.299 to New York Law School. I have to. law degrees 00:29:48.299 --> 00:29:51.519 and you know in that process I had to create 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:54.019 my own form of study because there wasn't anything 00:29:54.019 --> 00:29:57.079 centered around you know indigenous you know 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:01.140 law and and you know I had to create it on my 00:30:01.140 --> 00:30:05.819 own for myself um so you know it's of no surprise 00:30:05.819 --> 00:30:08.680 that most people you know US citizens in this 00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:12.619 country don't really have this history, right? 00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:16.920 And in law school, I remember studying the Johnson 00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.619 v. McIntosh case that has the Doctrine of Discovery 00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:23.460 in it. And sitting in that class, and the conversation 00:30:23.460 --> 00:30:25.599 as the professor, you know, tried to introduce 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:28.599 this concept, you know, the conversation just 00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:31.339 kind of quickly like, you know, just fell into 00:30:31.339 --> 00:30:33.660 this really awful place where all of a sudden 00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:36.659 students in the classroom are talking about Did 00:30:36.659 --> 00:30:38.980 the Indians teach the white people to scalp, 00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:40.920 or did the white people teach the Indians to 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:42.859 scalp? And I just watched this unfolding, and 00:30:42.859 --> 00:30:46.460 I thought, wow, I'm in law school. And this is 00:30:46.460 --> 00:30:51.480 the same case that Harvard students, or Stanford 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.420 students, or whatever law school you're from, 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.039 this is the case that all students are introduced 00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:58.279 to. And this is what happened in my law school. 00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:00.500 No different, right? So I thought, wow, this 00:31:00.500 --> 00:31:04.859 is just crazy. It's very perplexing. I thought 00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:09.700 it was then, but as I've spent time continuing 00:31:09.700 --> 00:31:13.640 to just pull apart what's happening here and 00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:16.460 understand how this doctrine of discovery really 00:31:16.460 --> 00:31:19.859 impacts people, I can understand why those attitudes 00:31:19.859 --> 00:31:23.420 have been shaped. So now with the work that we 00:31:23.420 --> 00:31:27.200 do at Rematriation, I have encountered so many 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.299 people who are just really grateful because they're 00:31:30.299 --> 00:31:34.549 now learning pieces of history that help them 00:31:34.549 --> 00:31:38.269 to have like these aha moments to say, oh, that 00:31:38.269 --> 00:31:42.529 makes sense. I can see that. And I really appreciate 00:31:42.529 --> 00:31:46.589 what is being shared with me. And I want to learn 00:31:46.589 --> 00:31:49.970 more. I want to know more. You know, people have 00:31:49.970 --> 00:31:52.650 attended our events and, you know, people have 00:31:52.650 --> 00:31:55.549 like been in tears and said my life really feels 00:31:55.549 --> 00:31:58.769 changed. Like I feel now like something has clicked 00:31:58.769 --> 00:32:04.119 for me and you know, I'm more hopeful and, you 00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:09.000 know, what can we do to change this? How can 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:12.059 we set something new? And I feel like that's 00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:15.099 what continues to drive me at rematriation. It's 00:32:15.099 --> 00:32:18.279 like the more that, you know, we can share with 00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:20.680 the public, you know, for folks to say, well, 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.819 what can we do to change? Well. Change laws you 00:32:23.819 --> 00:32:25.920 can change what's taught in your classroom, you 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:28.900 know, you can change, you know different dynamics 00:32:28.900 --> 00:32:33.900 and and how we Manufacture or how we have a relationship 00:32:33.900 --> 00:32:37.160 with the earth, right? It can be at a very granular 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:40.339 level or at a much bigger, you know level as 00:32:40.339 --> 00:32:47.839 well awesome Yeah, I that is a That is a shocking, 00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:50.740 those are shocking stories to sit in Cornell 00:32:50.740 --> 00:32:53.160 into a, in a Cornell classroom and hear your 00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:55.940 professor like kind of boil things down to something 00:32:55.940 --> 00:33:00.059 so, you know, blunt and like low resolution. 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.500 I think that the term that was in my brain as 00:33:02.500 --> 00:33:04.599 I was listening to your response is like, like 00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:07.140 low resolution, right? That is a characterization, 00:33:07.539 --> 00:33:10.240 like a mischaracterization of reality I feel 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:14.059 like. And I also, I think that it's really powerful 00:33:14.059 --> 00:33:18.599 that instead of I think that in order to actually 00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.700 create change, there's probably a lot of work 00:33:21.700 --> 00:33:24.039 that needs to be done. And so the fact that you 00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:26.420 are creating these educational materials around 00:33:26.420 --> 00:33:29.299 these things, that is work, that is hard work 00:33:29.299 --> 00:33:33.450 to do, right? Instead of, you know, Squabbling 00:33:33.450 --> 00:33:36.289 with people instead saying hey, you know if you 00:33:36.289 --> 00:33:38.529 are open to learning here are some interesting 00:33:38.529 --> 00:33:41.130 things that you can can learn I think that that's 00:33:41.130 --> 00:33:44.130 a very powerful way to help affect change. Yeah, 00:33:44.410 --> 00:33:46.730 absolutely And now you know, I will say what 00:33:46.730 --> 00:33:49.059 I think you know, some of the changes that I 00:33:49.059 --> 00:33:52.039 see happening and I definitely encourage, you 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.880 know, continued support is, you know, I love 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.059 hearing the story about your teachers, you know, 00:33:57.259 --> 00:34:00.759 who I'm sure might be engaged with different 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:03.000 community groups. Like I know here in Syracuse, 00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:04.960 there's the neighbors of the Onondaga Nation. 00:34:05.470 --> 00:34:09.429 you know, which, you know, develops a relationship 00:34:09.429 --> 00:34:11.750 on a continual basis, you know, with the Onondaga 00:34:11.750 --> 00:34:14.389 Nation and helping to bring those values here 00:34:14.389 --> 00:34:17.949 into the city of Syracuse. So the values and 00:34:17.949 --> 00:34:20.909 teachings on history, you know, Cornell and many 00:34:20.909 --> 00:34:24.050 other, you know, institutes, institutions are 00:34:24.050 --> 00:34:26.989 bringing more indigenous professors, you know, 00:34:27.090 --> 00:34:29.809 as faculty to be able to sort of, you know, be 00:34:29.809 --> 00:34:32.610 in a space to teach these histories and contemporary 00:34:32.610 --> 00:34:35.760 issues. And I think it's always great. to hear 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:41.460 firsthand from the people, because it's very, 00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:43.239 very different, right? That's not to say that 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.239 people can't teach the history. Certainly they 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.780 can. But I think that's what Rematurated Voices 00:34:47.780 --> 00:34:51.400 does, is it brings you into conversation to be 00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:55.900 in a space firsthand with hearing from leaders 00:34:55.900 --> 00:34:59.800 and scholars who are in the space of sharing 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:03.530 this information. Creates kind of a unique opportunity 00:35:03.530 --> 00:35:06.210 for people who are watching or listening to rematriated 00:35:06.210 --> 00:35:10.510 voices Because it's also on podcast version I 00:35:10.510 --> 00:35:13.809 said to say that but it just it allows you to 00:35:13.809 --> 00:35:16.750 hear perspectives you you would maybe not normally 00:35:16.750 --> 00:35:20.380 hear in your everyday life. Absolutely. Really 00:35:20.380 --> 00:35:22.920 quick, I have to say also, Miss LaRose, she did 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:24.719 a great job. Now, Mrs. Stevens. Thank you, Miss 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:26.760 LaRose. She did awesome. And then also, I think 00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:28.840 scouting also helped a lot. You know, I was in 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:30.519 Boy Scouts. And so, you know, we were always 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:32.480 at national parks and going to museums and things 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:34.780 and learning about the history of the of the 00:35:34.780 --> 00:35:36.599 land and everything. So that I think also had 00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:42.090 an impact on me. Yeah. I think that My last question 00:35:42.090 --> 00:35:43.429 we kind of covered so I don't know Michelle. 00:35:43.630 --> 00:35:45.610 Thank you very much This was a fantastic conversation 00:35:45.610 --> 00:35:47.329 anything that you want to plug anything that 00:35:47.329 --> 00:35:48.750 we did not talk about that you want to talk about 00:35:48.750 --> 00:35:51.769 Well, I definitely say, you know come to our 00:35:51.769 --> 00:35:55.070 event on the 31st If you can't make it check 00:35:55.070 --> 00:35:57.630 out the series online, but also make sure to 00:35:57.630 --> 00:36:04.190 visit us at rematriation org and so REMATRIATION 00:36:05.150 --> 00:36:06.989 A lot of folks are like, how do you spell that? 00:36:07.269 --> 00:36:09.949 So think about the word repatriation. Take out 00:36:09.949 --> 00:36:11.949 the P for the patriarchy, and you put in the 00:36:11.949 --> 00:36:15.650 matrilineality with the M. So rematriation. We'll 00:36:15.650 --> 00:36:18.510 also have rematriativevoices .org up very soon. 00:36:19.659 --> 00:36:22.619 And there folks can learn about how to also be 00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:24.920 supportive of the work. So we're a charitable 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:29.039 501c3. So people can make tax deductible contributions 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.280 to help support our work. And we really are looking 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:36.019 to create a season two. So those, you know, those 00:36:36.019 --> 00:36:38.639 contributions definitely really help in terms 00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:40.880 of, you know. putting this media out that we 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:44.619 put out for free for the public. And so we encourage 00:36:44.619 --> 00:36:48.059 folks to definitely please come watch the materials 00:36:48.059 --> 00:36:51.280 and engage with them and with our organization. 00:36:51.699 --> 00:36:54.619 So thank you. Absolutely. Thank you. This is 00:36:54.619 --> 00:36:56.300 Good News York. My name is Noah Chrysler. Thanks 00:36:56.300 --> 00:36:57.699 so much for watching. Have a great day.