WEBVTT 00:00:08.970 --> 00:00:13.890 Guys, welcome back to Good News York. We are 00:00:13.890 --> 00:00:16.329 live and in person at the Syracuse Winter Fair. 00:00:16.489 --> 00:00:19.969 Mike's fixing his teeth. I just ate. Delicious. 00:00:20.670 --> 00:00:23.449 Yeah, what'd you have? I remember I had it last 00:00:23.449 --> 00:00:25.390 year. Oh god, I'm going to screw it up. Is it 00:00:25.390 --> 00:00:31.449 Jiwoo's? I had a Korean ramen bowl. Nice. Unbelievable. 00:00:31.949 --> 00:00:33.289 That's what I had last year when I was here. 00:00:33.289 --> 00:00:37.170 So good. So good. I've had so far three quarters 00:00:37.170 --> 00:00:40.869 of a beef on wick. Why only three quarters? Because 00:00:40.869 --> 00:00:44.329 we had the interview with Mike. Fair. I think 00:00:44.329 --> 00:00:46.670 that's my spot right after we're done. To be 00:00:46.670 --> 00:00:48.950 fair, I was trying real hard not to eat it in 00:00:48.950 --> 00:00:52.350 one, you know. Mike, you're more important to 00:00:52.350 --> 00:00:54.969 us than beef on whack. I hope that means a lot. 00:00:55.130 --> 00:00:57.149 I like knowing where I rank. Yeah, yeah. Well, 00:00:57.289 --> 00:00:59.270 you rank way above beef on whack. For those following 00:00:59.270 --> 00:01:02.270 along, I'm Matt Major, that's Mike Rindisi, and 00:01:02.270 --> 00:01:04.730 this is one of our returning champions, Mike 00:01:04.730 --> 00:01:07.030 Lisi. Who was also one of our first guests last 00:01:07.030 --> 00:01:10.189 year, correct? It's been a year. It is. And it's 00:01:10.189 --> 00:01:14.069 very different now being behind the mic now versus 00:01:14.069 --> 00:01:16.829 a year ago where I was just like, you know, losing 00:01:16.829 --> 00:01:19.629 my mind and my head. You know what, Mark O'Donnell, 00:01:20.069 --> 00:01:21.709 who was here earlier, we were talking about the 00:01:21.709 --> 00:01:23.769 same thing and Mike was commenting on just the 00:01:23.769 --> 00:01:26.650 progression now of all of our creators, really. 00:01:26.709 --> 00:01:30.030 You've got that under your belt. Even, you know, 00:01:30.150 --> 00:01:32.349 folks like yourself who really just took to it 00:01:32.349 --> 00:01:34.650 like nothing from the beginning. But still, you 00:01:34.650 --> 00:01:36.150 just get that progression. You figure things 00:01:36.150 --> 00:01:39.049 out and it becomes easier and less stressful. 00:01:39.209 --> 00:01:40.510 I think it's the biggest thing, right? You don't 00:01:40.510 --> 00:01:42.310 overthink it as much. Exactly. You just kind 00:01:42.310 --> 00:01:45.430 of go with it and just let it go. Just see what 00:01:45.430 --> 00:01:47.549 happens. What's the worst that's going to happen, 00:01:47.629 --> 00:01:49.370 right? You're going to piss your ass off for 00:01:49.370 --> 00:01:51.209 a few minutes and everybody's going to forget 00:01:51.209 --> 00:01:53.409 it when they scroll to the next video. Exactly. 00:01:54.450 --> 00:01:56.489 100%. That's the right mindset, man. I appreciate 00:01:56.489 --> 00:01:58.730 that you got that. For those who don't know, 00:01:58.810 --> 00:02:01.390 Mike is the host of the Hack Dissection podcast 00:02:01.390 --> 00:02:04.829 that we make here at Clickstream Studios. One 00:02:04.829 --> 00:02:07.290 of our most, I want to say, kind of our breakout 00:02:07.290 --> 00:02:10.990 success. And I think a lot of it just lends itself 00:02:10.990 --> 00:02:14.069 because, you know, the cyber security topics 00:02:14.069 --> 00:02:16.689 that you talk about, the pen testing, things 00:02:16.689 --> 00:02:19.349 like that, are really just home base for the 00:02:19.349 --> 00:02:21.189 internet. So I think the second we put that out 00:02:21.189 --> 00:02:24.530 there, people have jumped on it. But people from 00:02:24.530 --> 00:02:26.750 all over, people in your networks all over the 00:02:26.750 --> 00:02:30.900 world have seen your content. Yeah, yeah, it 00:02:30.900 --> 00:02:33.139 was really weird the first time that I had somebody 00:02:33.139 --> 00:02:37.180 just Send me a message on X or on discord or 00:02:37.180 --> 00:02:39.479 wherever be like hey, you're you're showing up 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:41.860 on my feet Just out of nowhere like what the 00:02:41.860 --> 00:02:43.699 heck's going on and that was a weird feeling 00:02:43.699 --> 00:02:46.620 because I had never really done a lot of content 00:02:46.620 --> 00:02:50.280 recording anything like that and Yeah, now it's 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:52.319 been great to reach out to more folks and they 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:53.939 love sharing those stories Well, it's one of 00:02:53.939 --> 00:02:55.620 those things also that I think speaks to the 00:02:55.620 --> 00:02:58.099 fact that not only you but your guests your team 00:02:58.099 --> 00:03:00.080 members that you bring on You guys really know 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.379 your stuff. Yeah, and this isn't this isn't one 00:03:02.379 --> 00:03:05.520 of those, you know fluff shows you guys really 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.740 get into the weeds of your profession and The 00:03:08.740 --> 00:03:10.639 profession seems to really respect it. You actually 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.379 got ranked in a industry publication, right? 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.520 Yeah, we got ranked in the top cyber security 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:19.379 podcast So we're number five out of the top ten, 00:03:19.539 --> 00:03:21.620 which is great It's awesome and a really close 00:03:21.620 --> 00:03:23.340 friend of mine had the number one and number 00:03:23.340 --> 00:03:26.610 three spots. So Wow I'm bringing them on one 00:03:26.610 --> 00:03:30.430 of the upcoming episodes maybe to help us 100%. 00:03:30.430 --> 00:03:32.590 Edge up a little bit more. That's great. Mike, 00:03:32.610 --> 00:03:34.590 for those who don't know, can you just talk a 00:03:34.590 --> 00:03:36.590 little bit about your business and the topics 00:03:36.590 --> 00:03:40.150 that are also in the podcast? Yeah, we specialize 00:03:40.150 --> 00:03:43.330 in cybersecurity. So our whole mission is to 00:03:43.330 --> 00:03:49.009 help organizations identify their risks, physical, 00:03:49.129 --> 00:03:52.129 digital, whatever it may be, and just try and 00:03:52.129 --> 00:03:56.189 help them. become a little bit more secure because 00:03:56.189 --> 00:03:57.669 it affects everybody no matter what you're doing 00:03:57.669 --> 00:04:02.069 these days the cyber security realm is impacting 00:04:02.069 --> 00:04:05.330 you professionally personally just across the 00:04:05.330 --> 00:04:07.810 board so there's there's a lot of opportunity 00:04:07.810 --> 00:04:09.750 to help people and that's what we like there 00:04:09.750 --> 00:04:11.650 is and it's it's so interesting and that's one 00:04:11.650 --> 00:04:13.330 of the things I think is why your podcast is 00:04:13.330 --> 00:04:16.490 so interesting is because you and your guys get 00:04:16.490 --> 00:04:19.589 on there and tell us some of the real real life 00:04:19.589 --> 00:04:22.889 in the trenches stories of and vulnerabilities 00:04:22.889 --> 00:04:24.910 that you've discovered that companies were kind 00:04:24.910 --> 00:04:28.089 of living with, and all kinds of things like 00:04:28.089 --> 00:04:31.029 that. What's interesting to me is always, for 00:04:31.029 --> 00:04:32.529 those who don't know, I've got a background in 00:04:32.529 --> 00:04:38.029 IT. We kind of act as that general practitioner, 00:04:38.290 --> 00:04:40.670 right? When you think about it in the medical 00:04:40.670 --> 00:04:43.069 model, we're the first people you see. We know 00:04:43.069 --> 00:04:44.769 the guidelines. We know how to keep people safe 00:04:44.769 --> 00:04:46.649 from basic things and make sure you're doing 00:04:46.649 --> 00:04:49.879 basic things. But it gets so much more in depth. 00:04:50.139 --> 00:04:52.139 And I always look at it like you guys are the 00:04:52.139 --> 00:04:55.360 heart surgeons. It's time to refer somebody who 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:57.600 specializes in this. That's what Mike and his 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:01.199 team do. Talk a little bit about that penetration 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:02.660 testing piece, because I think that's something 00:05:02.660 --> 00:05:06.540 that people don't necessarily understand in cybersecurity. 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:08.100 And also, I think it's kind of one of the most 00:05:08.100 --> 00:05:10.259 interesting parts. Yeah, and think of it like 00:05:10.259 --> 00:05:13.540 this. When you're looking to secure something, 00:05:13.620 --> 00:05:15.720 say your house, one of the things that you might 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:18.019 do is just figure out hey what's what's the best 00:05:18.019 --> 00:05:20.860 practices that I should take into consideration 00:05:20.860 --> 00:05:23.600 so maybe it's like a door locks or door alarms 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:26.279 or whatever and that's where most organizations 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:28.439 start they they implement these things and they 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:32.199 say hey like we're we're doing good but then 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:35.040 the next step is how do we know those alarms 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:38.060 never go off those locks are never tested are 00:05:38.060 --> 00:05:40.240 they actually working for you so one of the things 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:43.000 that we do is once those organizations have those 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.660 foundational elements in place We'll come in 00:05:45.660 --> 00:05:47.680 and basically say like, hey, we're going to try 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:49.540 and break in. We're going to see what trips, 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:54.379 what works, what doesn't work. And if we notice 00:05:54.379 --> 00:05:56.959 anything, we're going to identify that, help 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.220 point that out, and give you some ideas on what 00:05:59.220 --> 00:06:02.439 you can do to recommend improving that and closing 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:04.139 off those gaps. That's incredible. So we get 00:06:04.139 --> 00:06:06.459 to be the bad guys without going to jail. Yeah. 00:06:06.899 --> 00:06:09.060 To me, that's the most fun part. Oh, that's great. 00:06:10.060 --> 00:06:11.800 Especially when you talk about, so we did an 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:13.980 episode or two of your show where we talked about 00:06:13.980 --> 00:06:16.620 physical. because a lot of we talk about cyber 00:06:16.620 --> 00:06:18.699 security we're thinking programs and the internet 00:06:18.699 --> 00:06:21.259 things of that nature but you get into testing 00:06:21.259 --> 00:06:23.579 the security system of the building even right? 00:06:23.699 --> 00:06:26.259 Sure yeah because it all kind of overlaps in 00:06:26.259 --> 00:06:30.579 different ways so the physical space is just 00:06:30.579 --> 00:06:34.300 as important as the digital space if you are 00:06:34.300 --> 00:06:38.040 expecting people to stay out or to have processes 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:41.620 or procedures or whatever to make sure that only 00:06:41.620 --> 00:06:44.910 the people that should be there are there That's 00:06:44.910 --> 00:06:47.610 another area where you could get some evaluation 00:06:47.610 --> 00:06:51.389 done and it overlaps with our realm because you 00:06:51.389 --> 00:06:53.449 have those things like physical locks, digital 00:06:53.449 --> 00:06:58.310 locks, just the spaces themselves, cameras, readers, 00:06:58.490 --> 00:07:01.990 all that stuff and we can actually help evaluate 00:07:01.990 --> 00:07:05.290 those things and come up with some ideas that 00:07:05.290 --> 00:07:08.509 you might not have thought of. That's so much 00:07:08.509 --> 00:07:10.230 fun. I always think back, and this might be dating 00:07:10.230 --> 00:07:13.110 myself, but the old original MacGyver show. Hell 00:07:13.110 --> 00:07:15.189 yeah! There was more than one episode where that 00:07:15.189 --> 00:07:17.810 was kind of MacGyver's task, was to test this 00:07:17.810 --> 00:07:21.029 very high -tech system. You got a paperclip and 00:07:21.029 --> 00:07:22.829 a pen, get out of here! I always thought that 00:07:22.829 --> 00:07:24.829 was the coolest part. You guys get to do that 00:07:24.829 --> 00:07:28.779 stuff for a living. I will say, you know... Danny 00:07:28.779 --> 00:07:31.300 Tripodi, one of the members of our team who's 00:07:31.300 --> 00:07:34.019 running the board right now, we produce the podcast 00:07:34.019 --> 00:07:36.300 at Clickstream Studios, including yours. And 00:07:36.300 --> 00:07:38.600 I am genuine when I say I have to catch myself 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:40.420 sometimes. Because I'm supposed to be switching 00:07:40.420 --> 00:07:42.939 cameras, where I am so into what you guys, and 00:07:42.939 --> 00:07:44.100 I have no idea what you're talking, it sounds 00:07:44.100 --> 00:07:46.560 like a foreign language sometimes, but it's so 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:48.860 interesting that I'm like, oh right, I gotta 00:07:48.860 --> 00:07:52.720 work. I think that's what I love about... what 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:54.879 you do and about the podcast is that it's such 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:56.819 a niche thing and such a thing that is interesting 00:07:56.819 --> 00:08:00.339 to people that aren't in that world that I think 00:08:00.339 --> 00:08:02.300 that's why you're getting picked up by these 00:08:02.300 --> 00:08:04.920 third -party websites that are ranking them and 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:06.920 then other other people that live in that world 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:10.379 because it's such a unique niche and I'm just 00:08:10.379 --> 00:08:13.800 so impressed by it and I think that's why you 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.600 know we've had so many interesting clips because 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:18.579 you want to hear about this stuff it's it's really 00:08:18.579 --> 00:08:21.000 really interesting yeah well think about it like 00:08:21.370 --> 00:08:23.750 Like, true crime stuff. Like, that's really engaging 00:08:23.750 --> 00:08:25.870 because you're getting kind of this look into 00:08:25.870 --> 00:08:27.990 a realm that you're probably not going to really 00:08:27.990 --> 00:08:29.889 encounter or you don't want to encounter. And 00:08:29.889 --> 00:08:31.509 then you're getting to get some of those stories 00:08:31.509 --> 00:08:33.409 from somebody that's doing that. So again, we're 00:08:33.409 --> 00:08:35.409 emulating the criminals. We're getting to learn 00:08:35.409 --> 00:08:38.370 how they act and replicate some of those things. 00:08:38.629 --> 00:08:40.549 And there's some curiosity behind that, regardless 00:08:40.549 --> 00:08:42.389 of what you're doing. And I think that's really 00:08:42.389 --> 00:08:45.830 what's led to that success. We always talk about 00:08:45.830 --> 00:08:50.679 heroes, you know. military vets, or people in 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.159 the military, police officers, firemen, paramedics. 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:56.360 Honestly, if you really think about it, you guys 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:58.600 are kind of unsung heroes. You're protecting 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:01.700 us on the internet. The internet is, I mean, 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:03.539 it's the world now. So, I mean, you guys are 00:09:03.539 --> 00:09:06.899 really doing things that are so important to 00:09:06.899 --> 00:09:09.320 society, and I appreciate it. I mean, it's a 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:11.840 huge field. I'm lucky to be part of it, and just 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:14.200 happy that it's not going anywhere. It's certainly 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:17.850 not. Mike, along those lines, you know, what's 00:09:17.850 --> 00:09:20.590 very interesting is, as we both know, cybersecurity 00:09:20.590 --> 00:09:23.710 starts at like the lowest level, right? The everyday 00:09:23.710 --> 00:09:26.909 person, the everyday user at a company, or even 00:09:26.909 --> 00:09:31.570 people at home, what are a couple of the most 00:09:31.570 --> 00:09:34.649 misunderstood or the best bits of advice that 00:09:34.649 --> 00:09:36.870 you could offer just an everyday person, whether 00:09:36.870 --> 00:09:38.750 they're thinking about what they're doing at 00:09:38.750 --> 00:09:41.259 work or at home? Well, it's always important 00:09:41.259 --> 00:09:43.879 for anybody in the organization to just understand 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:45.919 some of those foundational elements, you know, 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:48.440 just knowing what the expectations are of the 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:52.120 organization. But really my philosophy on that 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:55.019 is that they should be aware of it, but they 00:09:55.019 --> 00:09:57.279 shouldn't be responsible for that necessarily. 00:09:57.720 --> 00:09:59.639 Like there's other people in the organization 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:03.039 that are really in charge of enforcing that security 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:04.820 and making sure that it's working. So like putting 00:10:04.820 --> 00:10:07.779 all that pressure onto like HR or the finance 00:10:07.779 --> 00:10:10.919 people is really... because they're trying to 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:12.659 get through their day they're trying to just 00:10:12.659 --> 00:10:15.700 get their jobs done and if they miss click on 00:10:15.700 --> 00:10:18.000 something like that shouldn't be that should 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:21.600 be allowed and then the safeguard should be in 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:24.759 place to take action when that happens because 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:27.659 you can't expect everybody to be 100 % diligent 00:10:27.659 --> 00:10:29.919 all the time so that's what we try and help with 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:32.700 it's just like hey you know don't yell it at 00:10:32.700 --> 00:10:35.019 the HR person that doesn't understand cell phones 00:10:35.019 --> 00:10:37.250 or anything like that because They're gonna mess 00:10:37.250 --> 00:10:40.389 up. It's just human nature. I mess up. Everybody 00:10:40.389 --> 00:10:43.429 does. So the action is, okay, let's assume that 00:10:43.429 --> 00:10:46.509 they're gonna mess up. What's the fallout that's 00:10:46.509 --> 00:10:48.490 gonna come from that? And what can you do to 00:10:48.490 --> 00:10:50.210 prevent that or at least mitigate it as much 00:10:50.210 --> 00:10:54.779 as possible? And how can we help? added another 00:10:54.779 --> 00:10:59.980 layer of danger now in your field. Is it something 00:10:59.980 --> 00:11:01.840 that you guys were always prepared for? You knew 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:03.259 it was kind of coming. I mean, it's been around 00:11:03.259 --> 00:11:05.559 longer than people think. Or is it now you guys 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.059 are trying to train and keep up with that? Because 00:11:08.059 --> 00:11:10.860 now all these new scams are happening using AI. 00:11:11.659 --> 00:11:16.320 It's both, right? So on the attacker's side, 00:11:16.340 --> 00:11:18.320 on the actual criminal side, what we're seeing 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:22.990 is fully or almost fully AI -driven ransomware 00:11:22.990 --> 00:11:26.909 campaigns and compromises and just things that 00:11:26.909 --> 00:11:29.429 are running autonomously with very minimal human 00:11:29.429 --> 00:11:31.669 interaction. So that's problematic because now 00:11:31.669 --> 00:11:35.009 you have less resources that are needed from 00:11:35.009 --> 00:11:37.210 a threat actor's perspective to compromise an 00:11:37.210 --> 00:11:39.649 organization. Now at the same time, we're using 00:11:39.649 --> 00:11:42.190 it on our benefit too, right? So I just had an 00:11:42.190 --> 00:11:44.629 engagement this past week where I was able to 00:11:44.629 --> 00:11:47.450 identify and compromise a web application in 00:11:47.450 --> 00:11:50.009 less than an hour and fully take it over with 00:11:50.009 --> 00:11:53.090 the assistance of AI. So As much as it's helping 00:11:53.090 --> 00:11:55.210 the criminals, it's helping us too. And it's 00:11:55.210 --> 00:11:58.029 just going to be that constant game of who's 00:11:58.029 --> 00:12:01.289 taking better advantage of it. Well said. Mike, 00:12:01.330 --> 00:12:03.850 what are you seeing most commonly? You know, 00:12:04.029 --> 00:12:07.129 people for years you worry about, I'm going to 00:12:07.129 --> 00:12:08.830 get hacked and people are going to break in and 00:12:08.830 --> 00:12:11.049 things like that. What is the intention of these 00:12:11.049 --> 00:12:13.230 folks when they come after these American companies 00:12:13.230 --> 00:12:17.330 in reality these days? It really depends on the 00:12:17.330 --> 00:12:20.879 organization itself. so in some cases they're 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:25.419 just going after essentially the systems on the 00:12:25.419 --> 00:12:27.460 network themselves just locking them up completely 00:12:27.460 --> 00:12:30.379 and basically holding them hostage and saying 00:12:30.379 --> 00:12:32.940 like hey we locked all this down if you want 00:12:32.940 --> 00:12:36.200 it back you got to pay us and there's two options 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:38.539 that you can take from that point you can pay 00:12:38.539 --> 00:12:40.480 them and hopefully they're legitimate and they're 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:44.029 going to unlock all your stuff or you have plans 00:12:44.029 --> 00:12:45.909 and procedures in place that are like hey we've 00:12:45.909 --> 00:12:47.710 prepared for this like screw off we're just going 00:12:47.710 --> 00:12:49.629 to restore all of our things we're back up and 00:12:49.629 --> 00:12:51.929 running and then we'll look into this and see 00:12:51.929 --> 00:12:56.110 how we can take further steps to prevent that 00:12:56.110 --> 00:12:58.830 in the future but for like the general public 00:12:58.830 --> 00:13:01.669 you're looking at typical invoice scams right 00:13:01.669 --> 00:13:04.389 they want your money in some form whether that's 00:13:04.389 --> 00:13:08.649 gift cards whether that's like crypto of some 00:13:08.649 --> 00:13:10.490 sort just whatever the case may be they'll take 00:13:10.490 --> 00:13:12.289 the money however they can get it so you'll see 00:13:12.289 --> 00:13:16.049 a lot of fake invoices, a lot of, hey, we're 00:13:16.049 --> 00:13:17.490 gonna make this, you know, you made this purchase 00:13:17.490 --> 00:13:20.070 from Apple, if you didn't do this, call us at 00:13:20.070 --> 00:13:22.690 this number. And it's never a number that's actually 00:13:22.690 --> 00:13:25.370 Apple or actually PayPal. So those are the things 00:13:25.370 --> 00:13:28.210 to really work out for and think about it a little 00:13:28.210 --> 00:13:32.289 bit more closely before diving in. That's incredible. 00:13:33.950 --> 00:13:37.590 I had a buddy, he's a mechanic. He was a professional 00:13:37.590 --> 00:13:40.730 motocross driver, for lack of a better term. 00:13:41.820 --> 00:13:43.480 He used to tell me stories where he would go 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:45.740 and get his car worked on, and they'd try to 00:13:45.740 --> 00:13:49.279 scam him, and he'd be like, guys, nice try. You're 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:50.940 the wrong guy. Has that ever happened to you 00:13:50.940 --> 00:13:53.019 where someone tried to hack you or take advantage 00:13:53.019 --> 00:13:56.220 of you in the digital world, and you're like, 00:13:56.700 --> 00:13:59.559 buddy? And you got any cool stories like that? 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:02.500 Oh, let me see which ones I could talk about. 00:14:02.500 --> 00:14:05.860 Oh, so there's, which ones? Which ones? I like 00:14:05.860 --> 00:14:08.659 having fun with that from time to time. I don't 00:14:08.659 --> 00:14:11.389 take it too far. There's actually a... some people 00:14:11.389 --> 00:14:13.490 out there that have content, and they just call 00:14:13.490 --> 00:14:16.490 up the scammers, and just try to wait as much 00:14:16.490 --> 00:14:18.929 time as possible. So I do that from time to time. 00:14:19.070 --> 00:14:22.350 I'll just message them back. What I see lately 00:14:22.350 --> 00:14:24.730 is people reaching out for job opportunities. 00:14:24.929 --> 00:14:27.129 They're like, oh, message me on WhatsApp, and 00:14:27.129 --> 00:14:29.169 we'll talk about the app, and I'll do that. We'll 00:14:29.169 --> 00:14:31.210 chat, and they'll send me through all these loops, 00:14:31.409 --> 00:14:33.350 and I'll just essentially waste their time with 00:14:33.350 --> 00:14:36.549 it. So I just have fun with that, but I don't 00:14:36.549 --> 00:14:38.470 actually attack back or do any of those things. 00:14:40.299 --> 00:14:42.820 Are there red flags you can tell, like Matt said, 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:46.279 the everyday people? I know it's a very broad 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:48.220 question because there's so many different scams, 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.960 but like, for example, I know that once they 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:53.259 start asking you, can you go down and buy some 00:14:53.259 --> 00:14:55.860 gift cards, that's a red flag. Are there some 00:14:55.860 --> 00:14:57.659 more that maybe are off the radar that people 00:14:57.659 --> 00:15:01.200 should listen for? Largely, if they're trying 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:04.360 to redirect you from one communication channel 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:06.580 to another, that's a big red flag, right? They're 00:15:06.580 --> 00:15:08.769 saying like, hey, here's something through email 00:15:08.769 --> 00:15:11.570 now call me or here's something through email 00:15:11.570 --> 00:15:13.889 and and text this number like they're trying 00:15:13.889 --> 00:15:16.370 to get from from one channel to another and that's 00:15:16.370 --> 00:15:19.549 always great something to be aware of if they're 00:15:19.549 --> 00:15:21.509 trying to do that because if you're like when 00:15:21.509 --> 00:15:23.769 i work with matt right he does a lot of it stuff 00:15:23.769 --> 00:15:26.830 for us he's communicating with them it's always 00:15:26.830 --> 00:15:28.909 the same thing i hit them up on the ticket they 00:15:28.909 --> 00:15:30.850 hit me up on email it's a back and forth in that 00:15:30.850 --> 00:15:33.590 same medium they're never like hey Well, text 00:15:33.590 --> 00:15:36.710 me on this other platform that nobody can monitor, 00:15:36.990 --> 00:15:38.690 and then we'll look into your security issue. 00:15:38.830 --> 00:15:41.169 Like, that's not a thing. At least that's not 00:15:41.169 --> 00:15:43.129 a legitimate thing that you should be more conscious 00:15:43.129 --> 00:15:48.809 of. That's wild. Great answer. Mike Lisi, Hack 00:15:48.809 --> 00:15:52.570 Dissection podcast. Really a great one to listen 00:15:52.570 --> 00:15:56.490 to. Such a cool thing. Before we let you go and 00:15:56.490 --> 00:15:59.460 let you enjoy the fair here, I want to talk about 00:15:59.460 --> 00:16:01.700 a little bit because we're growing, we're expanding, 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:03.860 we're opening a new place downtown. And so are 00:16:03.860 --> 00:16:06.039 you. Yeah. Tell us a little bit about your new 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.059 office space. Yeah. So we're coming up on five 00:16:08.059 --> 00:16:10.580 years of being in business. So hitting that, 00:16:10.580 --> 00:16:12.820 you know, that big, I don't know, milestone, 00:16:12.820 --> 00:16:16.399 I guess, from a business perspective. And through 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:19.320 the networking that we've done, we got an opportunity 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:21.720 to join the folks over at the Inspire Innovation 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.500 Hub. Nice. And we opened up an office over there 00:16:24.500 --> 00:16:27.360 to... help all the startups there and just kind 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.580 of have some presence downtown. So yeah, we're 00:16:30.580 --> 00:16:32.019 loving it. It's getting me out of the basement 00:16:32.019 --> 00:16:34.840 a little bit here. Even though our teams, you 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:37.139 know, all around the country, it's nice to have, 00:16:37.139 --> 00:16:38.539 you know, something a little bit more legitimate 00:16:38.539 --> 00:16:41.740 for the business operations. I think that's very 00:16:41.740 --> 00:16:44.440 interesting because a lot of people, you know, 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:46.299 go back and forth and especially in your industry. 00:16:46.820 --> 00:16:48.559 We talk about long before the pandemic or any 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:50.580 of that. I've always said as technical guys, 00:16:50.779 --> 00:16:53.480 programmers, IT, cybersecurity, we were the remote 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:57.230 workers. 20 years ago. That's right. Nobody even 00:16:57.230 --> 00:17:00.610 thrashed that concept, right? So that's always 00:17:00.610 --> 00:17:02.549 kind of been the way a lot of these professionals 00:17:02.549 --> 00:17:06.150 work, especially in your industry. So to see 00:17:06.150 --> 00:17:08.970 you kind of go, hey, let me get a commercial 00:17:08.970 --> 00:17:10.809 space, a little more traditional thing, I think 00:17:10.809 --> 00:17:16.210 is interesting. I see it more as just adding 00:17:16.210 --> 00:17:18.009 some legitimacy to the operations, right? If 00:17:18.009 --> 00:17:20.430 somebody's looking up. The company, they're like, 00:17:20.509 --> 00:17:22.269 oh, where are these guys located? Anything like 00:17:22.269 --> 00:17:23.950 that. It's like going to a residential address. 00:17:24.029 --> 00:17:26.950 That's kind of weird. So it's more just of, hey, 00:17:26.990 --> 00:17:29.750 we have an establishment. We have this place 00:17:29.750 --> 00:17:33.650 downtown. We're with all these other organizations. 00:17:33.890 --> 00:17:35.589 It also helps a lot in the networking side, right? 00:17:35.609 --> 00:17:37.470 I'm not interacting with a lot of business owners 00:17:37.470 --> 00:17:40.690 out of my basement day to day. So opportunities 00:17:40.690 --> 00:17:43.269 there that I really didn't think about before 00:17:43.269 --> 00:17:45.869 I was a business owner, right? No, I think that's 00:17:45.869 --> 00:17:48.539 great. And I think that's a great point. I did 00:17:48.539 --> 00:17:50.720 the same thing when I started. The IT business, 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:53.119 we could very well operate out of our respective 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:55.960 homes very easily, but for the same reason, for 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:58.619 that legitimacy of we were a real business and 00:17:58.619 --> 00:18:01.839 you could come meet me in an office. And that 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:03.519 was huge for our business, honestly. I think 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.160 it was well worth the money that I maybe didn't 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.720 need this back at the time, but definitely paid 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:11.960 off. Glad to see you do that. And a little programming 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:14.700 note, Good News York will be touring the Inspire 00:18:14.700 --> 00:18:16.819 Innovation Hub coming up this week. So pay attention 00:18:16.819 --> 00:18:18.519 for those episodes. We'll pop in. We'll give 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:22.160 you the full layout. It's a pretty neat space 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:24.160 from what was formerly the Tech Garden years 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:25.980 ago. Yeah, they did a lot of great work there. 00:18:26.259 --> 00:18:28.559 What day are you guys going to be there? I want 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:31.099 to say Tuesday. Tuesday? OK. I can look if you 00:18:31.099 --> 00:18:33.160 want. But yeah, we'll hunt you around. I'm just 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:35.079 curious so I can try and be there and say hi 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:35.940 when you guys are out. Yeah, no, that would be 00:18:35.940 --> 00:18:38.619 great. It is Tuesday, yeah. All right, perfect. 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:44.380 So, Mike, before we let you go, give us the plugs, 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:45.819 the website, stuff like that where people can 00:18:45.819 --> 00:18:47.720 find you. Yeah, so a couple things that we have 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:49.799 going on. Obviously, the podcast, if you're interested 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.380 in some of those stories, some things from the 00:18:52.380 --> 00:18:55.539 industry, that's hacked a section. You can find 00:18:55.539 --> 00:18:57.400 it across all the platforms. These guys take 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:01.160 care of it for me, so I love that. Meltek Solutions 00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:03.039 for all your cybersecurity needs. MeltekSolutions 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:06.400 .com. And then we have some additional services 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:08.279 for like dark web monitoring, that type of thing. 00:19:08.299 --> 00:19:10.759 And that's a service called Breach Monitor. That's 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.859 at breachmonitor .app. And yeah, you can find 00:19:13.859 --> 00:19:17.400 us at any of those things. Awesome. Or downtown. 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:22.279 Mike Lisi, super cybersecurity expert based right 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:24.380 here in town. You don't have to go to Austin 00:19:24.380 --> 00:19:27.440 or Silicon Valley to get real technical professionals, 00:19:27.460 --> 00:19:29.180 which I think is something that's pretty awesome. 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:32.039 And Mike, thanks for joining us. Thanks for everything. 00:19:32.220 --> 00:19:34.630 Thank you. We love you. Hey, guys. I appreciate 00:19:34.630 --> 00:19:36.750 being back, you know, a year later. It's just 00:19:36.750 --> 00:19:39.210 really cool to have that come first full circle 00:19:39.210 --> 00:19:42.049 again and do this again. So I'm hoping next year 00:19:42.049 --> 00:19:44.609 we'll do back here at the fair. Bigger and better 00:19:44.609 --> 00:19:47.690 yet. So let's see what's going on. And with that, 00:19:47.750 --> 00:19:49.369 we'll take a break, but we'll be back with more 00:19:49.369 --> 00:19:51.410 from the Syracuse Winter Fair in just a moment.