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portions of this show are recorded strap in and

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be prepared. Room for error is much slimmer in

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basketball. You lose one player and it changes

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your entire team. It's not like that in football.

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It's just not. It's not. Interesting guests.

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Kelly Graves, Mike Parker, Coach Mark Waskowski,

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Noah Eagle, Melissa Lombardi, Kenyon Barnard,

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Jonathan Stewart. Sharp opinions. Dana Altman

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probably earned a pass for a down year after

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almost 20 years. of what he's done for Oregon

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basketball. And some smiles. Guys, I was stuck

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in a car wash. Sounds like an R. Kelly song.

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It's not an R. Kelly song. It's Danny Havel.

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I can't remember, and I've been doing this for

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longer than you've been alive. which is really

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horrible that I have to say that, but it's the

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truth. Justin Grossweiner. It's like the saying

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in Alaska, that you don't have to be faster than

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the bear. The berries have to be faster than

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your friend. Danny and Justin starts now on Fox

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Sports Eugene and Fox Sports Newport. Sitting

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in for Danny today, it's Goose, Steve Mims. Welcome

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in to the Danny and Justin show on Fox Sports

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Eugene, Fox Sports Newport. Yes, Danny is back

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on the road as the voice of OSA basketball. So

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we got another three -day run to sit in, although

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it's actually going to be two because I'm busy

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tomorrow. But either way, Justin, you don't have

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Danny for three days, but thanks for welcoming

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me in today. Of course, you are always welcome.

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You look very, very relaxed today, as I said

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to you earlier. Had some career changes. I just

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had some stuff going on lately. So I'm a little

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bit more relaxed and dressed down. So I'm in

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a good mood. Good place to go. That's good to

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be. I am. More and more of that to come someday,

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maybe. So, yeah. So today we have Travis Demers.

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Travis is going to be joining us at the next

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segment. We'll be talking about the Blazers coming

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off a tough loss. We'll talk about them as they

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make their run for likely the play -in game.

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Might ask him a little bit about Bam Adebayo's

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83 -point game. and get into that. And Oregon

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State has a new high -tip basketball coach. The

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Wayne Tinkle replacement was announced today,

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and he has some Oregon ties. I didn't know this,

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actually. His wife is the Oregon soccer coach.

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Oh, well, there you go. Yeah, it's pretty amazing.

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Justin Joyner is the new Oregon head coach, Oregon

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State head coach, as he comes from... Michigan,

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where he was an assistant and former WCC assistant.

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And so he is going to be taking over Oregon State.

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And his wife, Tracy, is the soccer coach at Oregon.

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Of course, yeah. So as I joked on Twitter this

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week, the Junction City real estate market is

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about to be booming. Somewhere right in the middle.

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So before we get into... the Oregon State basketball.

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We have to first put a wrap on the Oregon basketball

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season, which went down in flames yesterday,

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in part during your and Danny's show. As you

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guys were discussing, they fell behind 33 -12

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in the first half against Maryland in the Big

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Ten Conference first round, and that was in Chicago.

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And Yeoman's effort to get back into it, they

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actually... They quadrupled their points from

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the first half in the second half. After scoring

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12 in the first half, they scored 48 in the second

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half, but that just led to a 70 -60 loss, and

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the season comes to a crashing finish at 12 -20

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and 5 -15 in the Big Ten. Yeah. It was not good.

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How did that even happen, first of all? You score

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12 points in the first quarter and then 48. They

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couldn't hit a bucket. I mean, they had two,

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I think. It was, I think, the second lowest I

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saw. Yeah. Tyson Alger had some great coverage

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there on site. He did. Our friend Tyson Alger

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was the lone representative. Props to look out

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for sending Tyson. As I told him, though, they

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might call him in and say, wait a minute here.

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Next time you're looking to travel, our budget

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might not be ready for a one -night. game. I'm

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thinking that Tyson probably had the idea in

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mind. Hey, they should beat Maryland. Maybe they

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beat Iowa and at least make a little run and

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we can get kind of some coverage out of it. But

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no, that did not happen. And our friend Tyson

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was looked like the only person on press row

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and the only one in the postgame. Well, he did.

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Well, when I saw there was somebody, in fact,

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it was Pat Forty, the famous sports writer who

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put a photo of the halftime score 33 to 12 up

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and said, is Dana Altman quiet quitting? haha

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and somebody who another reporter went on had

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a great point he said this is A team from Maryland

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and a team from Oregon playing in Chicago in

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a tournament that neither has any historical

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relevance for. So that can maybe explain why

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there's a couple hundred people in the stands.

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But for Oregon, just to put a wrap on it, the

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final, you know, Nate Biddle was playing hard

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down to the end. Biddle in his final game for

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the Ducks has 16 points, six rebounds. Kwame

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Evans Jr. comes up with 14 points and nine rebounds.

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And Oregon got 10 points from Takai Simpkins.

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Like I say, the season ends at 12 -20, 5 -15

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overall. And now we move on to the question of

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what does this team look like next year? I think

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we've settled the fact that if there are people

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out there who don't want Dane Altman back, that

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Dane Altman's not one of those people, and I

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don't believe Rob Mullins is one of those people.

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So I think Dane Altman comes back. The question

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there for me becomes, does he... make changes

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to his staff or additions to his staff? Does

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he want to bring in a general manager or some

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sort of a player personnel recruiting type director

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to maybe boost up some of the recruiting, which

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seems like it's fallen off in recent times? Some

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of his staff have been with him for a long time.

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Does he want to bring in some new blood? I'll

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be interested to see a little bit of that. But

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I think that's the question. If anybody has any

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question on what the coaching staff is going

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to look like next year, it doesn't and shouldn't

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have anything to do with Dane Altman, who certainly

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is. has earned himself a down year to come back

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from. But next year is going to be a critical

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one as they try to put together a roster because

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some interest in this program certainly waned

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this year. And one year you can live with, two

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years in a row becomes pretty tough for the program.

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Yeah, it's the type of year that no matter how

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good of a coach you are and how good your process

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has been, you have to reevaluate after a season

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like this. You just have to. Coming into the

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year, I don't think we saw this coming. We thought

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the Brock Bat... Brock Bat is top three guys.

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Exactly. And then there was some depth around

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it. You didn't know how good Waylon was going

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to be. He was kind of this wild card. And I think

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that pretty much every scenario was the worst

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case scenario. And by the middle of the season,

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the roster just... You could look at it and go,

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man, I don't know how many games we're going

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to win. And they didn't win games for a long

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time. So do I think that he probably, as in Dane

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Altman, needs to bring in some new blood in the

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staff? Probably. That seems like the most realistic

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way to improve your team and improve your program

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and your system and the way you're doing things

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without obviously getting rid of Dane Altman.

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And I think that Dane Altman deserves another

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year. And I think that he should be able to determine

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whenever he wants to leave. as a coach of University

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of Oregon. And he's going to have to do something

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with this roster, obviously. So Tyson reported

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as being the lone – in fact, Tyson texted me

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and said it was a great day because they have

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open locker rooms at conference tournaments,

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and so he got to go talk to whoever he wanted,

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and he was the only one there, so he got all

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the info. He did say that he asked Kwame Evans

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Jr. about coming back next year, and Kwame said

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it was too soon to decide. Not a surprise. Not

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a surprise and probably means no, because typically

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if you're coming back, you know it. I mean, most

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of these guys, quite honestly, and not just not

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a Kwame Evans thing. Most players come back in

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college, their agent has already discussed with

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the current school and with other schools what

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the offers look like. So most of these guys know

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by now what they would be offered to come back

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and whatnot. And so typically they would commit

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to coming back. And Kwame will also have professional

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options. Would he get drafted? I don't know.

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But he would certainly be able to play professionally

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for a few years. And he might decide that. Again,

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like a lot of five -stars, hey, three years of

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college was enough. I'm ready to go try this

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out in the pros. So whether it would be a transfer

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or that, we could see. Tyson also did say that

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he has Sean Stewart, and Sean Stewart said he

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was coming back. Okay, there's at least one guy.

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So there's one who's coming back. And as we've

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talked about before, this roster is going to

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be interesting next year. Shelstad's another

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one. Does he come back? Obviously, we know Biddle's

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gone. Takai Simpson's gone. So, you know, you've

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got the freshman coming in, the five -star freshman,

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Trevor Ariza's kid. You've got another freshman

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who are a high school recruit that we had talked

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about that could be coming. Right, the Illinois

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target. The Illinois target as well. But, you

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know, either way, they're going to have to add

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some depth to this team. I mean, right now, you

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know, with Dedrick Lindsey, Wei Lin, Jamari Phillips,

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one of the problems that they had this year was

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when injuries hit. They just didn't have the

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resources to replace those guys. You know, when

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Shelstead went out, there wasn't a point guard

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who could step right in and be ready to go. When

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Biddle was out, there wasn't another big who

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could do what he did. So the big part of this

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offseason for Dana Altman, I think, is going

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to be to rebuild this roster right away. And

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it's going to have to be done. threw some freshmen,

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but he's got to hit the transfer portal and hit

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on it this time because he had some misses last

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time. I think he's got to hit, and that's an

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NIL question too, what their budget is. I don't

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know, but I think Dana's going to need some money

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to go out into there as well. And again, does

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he look to bring in a recruiting guy or another

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assistant coach to do as well? So that said,

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there's a lot of work to be done there. But again,

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a lot of this stuff is already, the backroom

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meetings have already started. I'm sure that

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most transfers have already made it clear that

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what they're going to be doing. It'll be interesting

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to see how quickly Dana can rebuild this roster

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because, like I say, it's got to look better

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than this year. There's no reason to expect the

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results to be any better. For some reason, I

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feel like Jackson isn't going to be back. I don't

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know what it is. I mean, he hasn't said anything.

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Like, there's no indication to that based on

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just conjecture for me. But I just don't have

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a feeling he's going to be back, whether that

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is going pro or – I kind of have a feeling he's

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going to transfer. Like, that's just my lean.

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Yeah, and there's a lot of – this is a very point

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guard heavy draft, which means to you that a

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lot of really good teams are – you know, Houston's

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got the Kingston Flemings. Arizona's got Jayden

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Bradley, who's a senior. There's a lot of – you

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know, Kansas has Darren Peterson, although he's

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not really playing point guard now. Melvin Cancel,

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though, is their point guard. There are a lot

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of really high -quality programs that are going

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to – going to need a point guard. And some of

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those are some of the bigger colleges in terms

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of NIL budget. So if you're a Jackson -Shelstad,

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there's probably going to be a pretty robust

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market. I wouldn't blame him at all for shopping

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himself around, especially if he looks and sees

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and says, boy, this Oregon team might not have

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a lot around me. Am I going to have to do it

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all? Whereas I could go to an Arizona or a Kansas

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and feel like the parts might be around me. So

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I think there will be a robust transfer market

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for him. I'm like you. I think he'll be in college

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next year. I think it just comes down to what

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can Oregon match. both opportunity and money

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that he might be offered elsewhere. Yeah, and

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I think that if he does transfer away, that could

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lead to some uncomfortable conversations for

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Oregon fans and maybe the Oregon program, because

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this is a guy that's a... for lack of a better

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term a local kid yeah you know he's an in -state

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guy so you know it just does show how college

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basketball has changed even over the matter of

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jackson's career let alone the last five years

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or so yeah i don't think the in -state part is

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i mean again these days you you go where the

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money is oh it doesn't matter anymore right there

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you know um But the question then would be, who

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are you going to get a point guard? Because you've

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got to have somebody who can run this offense

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because, again, we saw when it wasn't Jackson

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-Salestead this year, it didn't run very smoothly,

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and you don't want to have another season because

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another 10 -20 season, that is when the people

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will come in and say, hey, maybe there needs

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to be a change that's made. Yeah, well, and we

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thought it was going to be Waylon, and I would

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be absolutely floored, shocked, jaw on the floor

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if he's back. I can't see it. I just can't see

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it. Dana Elton doesn't like him. He doesn't have

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good body language when responding to Dane Altman.

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I just think that it's not a good fit. Maybe

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I'll be surprised and he'll be back. But I don't

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think you can rely on him coming into next season.

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Not as your starting point guard. No, because

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this year. I think the only reason Drew Carter's

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playing is because they thought Waylon was going

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to be better than this, and then he just couldn't

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play defense at times, and he was shooting too

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many shots, and he'd turnovers. The talent's

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clearly there with Waylon. I think Waylon's a

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good player and will be a good player at some

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point, whether it's in college or maybe it's

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international. I don't know. But I think that

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the problem is, like you said, you're going to

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have to go to the transfer portal and get guys

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that are win -now guys. It hasn't been like that

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for Dana Altman over the recent couple of years.

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She's been good at times, though. Yep, and he's

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got to have the budget, too, because these guys

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are now in the $2 million to $3 million to get

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some of these guys. And I don't know what their

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NIL budget is. I know that Kentucky this year

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was reportedly $22 million, and Kansas was reportedly

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$15 million, and Oregon, I've heard, was closer

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to $7 million, $7 .5 million. But you also can't

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tell him, hey, we're going to have you on a tight

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budget, but you've got to go get a good team

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because these days you've got to have the budget

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to go get them. It does seem like you, if you're

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the athletic program, at Oregon, you're going

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to want to invest more in this team this year

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after the way it went this year, especially if

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you're going to keep Dane Altman. You can't say,

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well, it's a transition year or something like

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that. They're clearly going to be giving him

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the resources to be able to compete at some level.

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In the Big Ten, I'm not sure what that level

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is, but I think that they have to commit to him

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at some point. Well, I'll say this. As somebody

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who covered Oregon basketball in the Pac -12

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for seven or eight years, The march from the

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bottom of the Big Ten to the top is going to

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be much more difficult was in the Pac -12. Just

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quite honestly, A, there are more teams. There's

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18 teams. There's 17 teams to jump instead of

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11 other teams to jump. But in the Pac -12, you

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had not just where there were 12 teams, but you

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had built in kind of USC usually wasn't very

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good. Washington State wasn't very good. Oregon

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State, you didn't have, you know, you could put

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together kind of an average group. and you were

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able to be kind of up there with Arizona, maybe

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UCLA, you could be top four type thing. Top four

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in the Big Ten is top ten in the country. I mean,

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we're talking Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin,

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Purdue, Michigan State. There were times in the

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Pac -12 where the number four team was completely

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unranked. Yeah. So the idea of moving up that,

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hey, Dana's done this before, and he's going

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to be able to get us right back up in contention.

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He did that before in the Pac -12, which, again,

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had Arizona pretty much every year, UCLA most

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years, and then you'd get a random Colorado year

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or USC or this and that. But if you were Oregon

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and you were consistent, you were in that three

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to four and contending for titles. It's a long

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road to go from five and 15 in the Big Ten to

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15 and five. the Big Ten. The other part of this

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is Oregon has no home court advantage right now.

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You were there at the end of the year. It's pretty

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stale. It's a pretty stale arena except when

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Oregon's really winning. So you're playing at

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sold -out arenas in Michigan State, sold -out

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arenas at Michigan, sold -out arenas at Illinois.

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These are tough venues to play in, and you've

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got to go there. And when these teams come here,

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it's not a tough venue for them to play in. Not

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only do they have more talent than you, your

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crowd, one -third of the crowd is cheering for

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the other team because these fan bases are so

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glad to have them come out here. And the other

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two -thirds are sitting down and watching because

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they're not very interested in your team. And

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you're getting 5 ,000 to 6 ,000 people instead

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of the 15 ,000. these other places are getting.

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So it's a huge disadvantage for Oregon to have

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to go on the road and play in these great classic

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basketball atmospheres. And then when these teams

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come here, they don't have to as well. And then

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the last thing is the Big Ten tournament. Oregon

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had it really nice in Las Vegas. That was a nice,

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easy trip to get down there. Their fans, other

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than maybe Arizona and Utah, you'd have Oregon

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fans filling that place down there. It's Las

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Vegas in March. Who doesn't want to go to Las

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Vegas in March? You'd have Oregon fans before

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they even knew what their seed was in the tournament

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who were planning to go just because you knew

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Oregon was going to be in it because every team's

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in it, and you figured you were going to get

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a couple days in Vegas. So your tournament, it

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was not a home crowd, but it was certainly not

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a neutral site, and you were going to have your

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fans down there. Yesterday, they played in front

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of... from all implications and comments and

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pictures I've seen and playing from about 500

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people yesterday. And I guarantee you, there

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weren't too many of them that were Oregon fans,

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unless maybe there were some parents that live

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in the Midwest because nobody, I didn't have

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any friend this year who was like, dude, we're

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going to Chicago for the big 10 tournament. This

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is going to be great this year. The way that

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my friends used to say, Hey, we're going to Vegas

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for the big 10 for the PAC 12 tournament. So

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all these, my point is all these things, look,

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they went to the big 10 for football and that's

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great. And the big 10 is a basketball conference,

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but Oregon basketball. was in a pretty good spot

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in the Pac -12 as being maybe the third best

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job, third best program overall, and some years

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even higher than that. I think they're middle

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of the Pac, eighth, ninth best program in the

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Big Ten. Their fan base is probably on the lower

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half of that. Their travel is taking them to

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places that it makes it more difficult. Just

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the whole idea of getting a team that can compete

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at the top of the Big 12 is going to be a way

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bigger challenge than it ever was in the Pac

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-12. This is why we bring you in, Goose. This

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is why we bring you in, to read between the lines

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and to lay it all out like this. I mean, I can't

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help but think that you're right. It does seem

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like it's a long road, and it has been rough

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going to Matthew Knight Arena and literally having

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opposing teams' fan bases' chants. Boiler up,

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boiler up. It's very apparent. You can't hide

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behind this. I think that it's something that

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the Oregon program... I've just been baffled

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by how they're so ahead of the game in football

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and with marketing the team. And, of course,

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this is money and all this. Never been good marketing

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at basketball. I don't get it. I just don't understand

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it. How can you be so good at marketing one program

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and then the other program? It's just like it's

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almost nonexistent. I don't understand. Part

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of it is the coach doesn't do it. Dana's not

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going to be the one marketing and pumping his

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fist and doing hype videos, and Dan Lanning does

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some of those things. But Dana's thing has always

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been, hey, I'm not the hype guy. I'm just going

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to put the great product on the court, and that'll

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bring the fans out, which it did during glory

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days. But if you're not winning and you're not

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marketing it very well, that's when you hit the

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problem. It's kind of the old Chip Kelly thing

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when he didn't want to have to shake hands with

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the boosters. Go 46 -7. You don't have to shake

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hands with the boosters. We'll leave you on your

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own. You go 4 -8 one of those years, you would

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have had to probably come out and suck up a little

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bit to those people, but he got out before he

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had one of those years. But if you're Dane Altman

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and you say, hey, I'm not the guy to get out

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there and shake hands with everybody and pump

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this thing up, that's fine as long as you're

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winning year after year. But when it goes down,

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then that suddenly becomes a more difficult thing

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because, like I say, there's just no energy in

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that arena, and they haven't done anything this

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year to... you know, give fans a reason to stand

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up each year. Well, one of the problems is that

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I think it's hard to get there. And that's for

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somebody that like, I live, I live in like walking

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distance, 20 ish minutes walking distance. And

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I would rather do that 25 minutes. Maybe I would

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rather do that than go park over there. So that

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is one thing. I think the other thing is that

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this goes back to what your point is earlier

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about potentially bringing in some coaches. If

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Dana Altman is not going to be the one that can

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bring that sort of energy to the team, that's

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where you need to have at least somebody else

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around you that I don't know. can be an assistant

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coach that like can really do that but at least

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bring in somebody that can kind of see that vision

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because clearly dan altman i don't know if he

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doesn't care but it hasn't been a priority for

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him yeah and dane altman has never allowed his

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assistant coaches to speak with the media they

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have to at tournament things but he's never been

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one who would let somebody do that so that was

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if you're saying hey but i don't know what the

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assistant coaches are and they're not out here

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doing either that's goes back onto dana and that's

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his choice but he's always been one that didn't

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want his assistant coaches made available to

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the media well even if you're not going to have

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it be like a media thing i just think that you

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need somebody around that's going to be like

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hey i was at let's just call it illinois this

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is how they ran things there this is the guys

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that they went after and this is what you have

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to do in modern college day basketball i think

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it'd probably be good if you're going to get

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some new blood to probably get somebody from

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the big 10 yeah that's in one of those top teams

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and programs we talked about because you need

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to have a little bit more of a blueprint i think

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than what they have right now That's what Oregon

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State just did. That's a great tease. But we'll

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get to that in the last segment. When we come

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back in the next segment, it's going to be Travis

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Demers, your voice of the Portland Trailblazers.

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We'll catch up on the Zers as they make a run

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for the play -in and maybe the playoffs. Playoffs!

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And we will have that when we come back with

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Travis Demers. This is Steve Bemis filling in

00:20:05.750 --> 00:20:06.970
for Danny. You're listening to The Danny and

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Justin Show on Fox Sports Eugene and Fox Sports

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Newport. Welcome back into the Danny and Justin

00:20:15.990 --> 00:20:18.869
show. This is Steve Mims filling in for Danny.

00:20:18.930 --> 00:20:23.869
Danny is up in McMinnville as the OSA voice.

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And he's doing, I think it's Crater versus somebody

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right now. And then Thurston will be playing

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at 3 o 'clock. But Danny is on the air right

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now calling the 5A tournament. Speaking of high

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school announcers, our next guest is a former

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great. Hillsborough, Portland area high school

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announcer who turned that experience into a job

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on the NBA beat. He is Travis Demers joining

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us now. Travis, thanks for coming on, man. How

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are you? Good. How are you guys doing? We're

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doing good. You ever do any of those OSA state

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tournaments out in McMinnville or around when

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I think Danny's doing like three, four games

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a day. You ever have a tournament or an experience

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like that where you had to do a bunch of games

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in one day? Oh, yeah. For years I did the 6A

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tournament. A lot of it was at the Child's Center,

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and it was usually me and one other guy, Ryan

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Goff, who still does it, and we would split all

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the games between the boys' and girls' tournaments

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between Wednesday and Saturday. So, I mean, I

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would do like 11, 12, 13 games in a couple of

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days. And then they've had it down in Eugene

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and Corvallis and at Moda Center before. So I've

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done a lot of those. But at the Child Center

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is where I really ended up doing, you know, double

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-digit games over a couple -day span. Okay. All

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right. Well, now you have, like I say, parlayed

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that into the Blazer beat. Blazers coming off

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a tough one last night, Charlotte 103 -101 in

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the midst of a kind of a shorter homestand, but

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they get Indiana to start it. I want to start

00:21:53.019 --> 00:21:54.920
with that Indiana win. That was one of the better

00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:56.759
games we've seen from Scoot Henderson, and I

00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:58.920
know we've talked a lot about him in the times

00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:01.000
that we've been on here since he's been coming

00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:03.140
back. What do you see in not just that game,

00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:04.759
but what kind of growth are you seeing now that

00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:06.599
Scoot's maybe getting his legs under him after

00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:09.789
the late start to the season? Yeah, you know,

00:22:09.789 --> 00:22:11.769
for Scoot, it's been tough. Because the first

00:22:11.769 --> 00:22:13.309
couple of games, he looked pretty good. And then

00:22:13.309 --> 00:22:16.329
that road trip, let's just call it what it is.

00:22:16.349 --> 00:22:18.950
It was ugly. He did not look good on the road

00:22:18.950 --> 00:22:20.750
trip. The shooting was terrible. I think he went

00:22:20.750 --> 00:22:23.029
through a stretch where he was 5 of 34 from 3.

00:22:24.089 --> 00:22:26.349
Turned the ball over a bit. It was rough. And

00:22:26.349 --> 00:22:29.329
then he comes out against Indiana. Game high

00:22:29.329 --> 00:22:34.009
28 points. No turnovers in that game. And he

00:22:34.009 --> 00:22:36.539
took over and dominated at times. and that's

00:22:36.539 --> 00:22:38.920
a lot closer to the Scoot that I think he is

00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:41.079
going to be than what we saw on that five -game

00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:43.740
road trip. And then the follow -up last night,

00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:45.900
you know, 17 points. He did turn it over a few

00:22:45.900 --> 00:22:47.759
times, but he was five of eight from three, made

00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:51.160
some key plays. And it's just a matter of stringing

00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:53.880
together the better performances. And, you know,

00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:55.259
I think I've been – I don't want to use the word

00:22:55.259 --> 00:22:57.160
apologist because I don't think that's fair,

00:22:57.299 --> 00:22:59.299
but I think I've been championing the cause for

00:22:59.299 --> 00:23:02.220
Scoot maybe more than anybody else over the last

00:23:02.220 --> 00:23:04.839
couple of years. I think some of the perception

00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:08.319
of him is a bit unfair. And eventually he's going

00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:09.920
to show that. You just hope that it's sooner

00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:12.819
rather than later. Yeah. This is Travis Demers.

00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:15.619
You will hear him on Friday night when Utah comes

00:23:15.619 --> 00:23:19.039
to Portland here on Fox Sports. Eugene, you know,

00:23:19.059 --> 00:23:21.460
we know that they are in the play -in. They have

00:23:21.460 --> 00:23:24.039
an eight -game lead on Memphis with 16 to go.

00:23:24.099 --> 00:23:25.940
I like their chances of getting to the play -in.

00:23:26.019 --> 00:23:28.420
Yeah. But still a lot to play for there because

00:23:28.420 --> 00:23:30.960
they probably can't get to seven. The Clippers

00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:32.960
and Golden State both one game ahead of them

00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:35.539
in the win column. And that's interesting because

00:23:35.539 --> 00:23:37.920
if you can just get to nine, at least your first

00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:40.420
game's a home game. And so, you know, you'd win

00:23:40.420 --> 00:23:42.380
one, you could get one at home. If you can get

00:23:42.380 --> 00:23:45.000
to eight, then you're on the road, but you only

00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.539
have to win one of two. So a lot to play for

00:23:47.539 --> 00:23:49.720
them. And both that eight and nine, if they could

00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:52.700
get there, gives them a little bit of an advantage

00:23:52.700 --> 00:23:55.660
over what they'd have at 10. Yeah, you know,

00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:57.660
that's a really good point about that because

00:23:57.660 --> 00:24:00.460
right now sitting at 10, You know, 8, 9, and

00:24:00.460 --> 00:24:02.420
10, it's going to be the Clippers, Blazers, and

00:24:02.420 --> 00:24:04.640
Warriors in some combination. Nobody's catching

00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:07.660
Phoenix. Nobody's dropping down to where Memphis

00:24:07.660 --> 00:24:09.519
is, right? So 8, 9, and 10 is going to be the

00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:11.759
Clippers, Warriors, and Blazers, but how are

00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:13.759
they going to shake out? The Blazers have the

00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:16.279
tiebreaker over the Warriors, so they only have

00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:18.279
to win one more game than Golden State does the

00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:19.960
rest of the season, and the Blazers do still

00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:22.839
have the easiest schedule left in the NBA. The

00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.299
Clippers, I think, is going to be real challenging

00:24:25.299 --> 00:24:27.740
to pass them. They're playing really good basketball

00:24:27.740 --> 00:24:30.369
right now. They're playing Minnesota at home

00:24:30.369 --> 00:24:32.190
tonight. Minnesota is coming off of a bad loss

00:24:32.190 --> 00:24:34.329
the other night. They do still play the Clippers

00:24:34.329 --> 00:24:36.450
two more times this year, but I think there is

00:24:36.450 --> 00:24:39.769
a very good chance if they do their job that

00:24:39.769 --> 00:24:41.869
they are hosting that first game against Golden

00:24:41.869 --> 00:24:43.630
State, and then if they win, we'll go on the

00:24:43.630 --> 00:24:46.369
road to either Phoenix or the Clippers. Who knows?

00:24:46.609 --> 00:24:49.789
Minnesota or Denver could potentially drop down

00:24:49.789 --> 00:24:52.369
to seven, or even the Lakers. You look at the

00:24:52.369 --> 00:24:55.410
West right now, and two and a half games separate

00:24:55.410 --> 00:24:59.029
three and seven. Two games separate four and

00:24:59.029 --> 00:25:01.329
seven. So there's a lot that could happen there

00:25:01.329 --> 00:25:03.130
with teams trying to stay out of the play and

00:25:03.130 --> 00:25:07.609
in the top six. So obviously they'll be eight,

00:25:07.670 --> 00:25:09.890
nine, or ten. I think there's a great chance

00:25:09.890 --> 00:25:12.630
they jump up to nine, and there is a possibility

00:25:12.630 --> 00:25:15.349
they get up to eight. So Hornets last night,

00:25:15.390 --> 00:25:18.410
that was a tough one, 103 to 101. Say that. Yeah,

00:25:18.430 --> 00:25:20.769
and so one of those games you hate to lose were.

00:25:21.210 --> 00:25:23.849
Portland's up 34 -20 after the first quarter,

00:25:23.950 --> 00:25:26.150
and they just slightly lose every single other

00:25:26.150 --> 00:25:27.529
quarter. It feels like they had the lead the

00:25:27.529 --> 00:25:29.430
entire game, and then they give it up at the

00:25:29.430 --> 00:25:32.329
very end. But, man, Charlotte, it's one of those

00:25:32.329 --> 00:25:33.869
teams, I think, that you just sort of find with

00:25:33.869 --> 00:25:35.829
not playing at this point in the season because

00:25:35.829 --> 00:25:38.450
they've just turned it on so much. And over the

00:25:38.450 --> 00:25:40.170
last, I can't even say how many games it is,

00:25:40.210 --> 00:25:42.349
but maybe it's like 20, 30 games, something like

00:25:42.349 --> 00:25:43.750
that. They've been one of the best teams. January

00:25:43.750 --> 00:25:45.690
1st, basically. January 1st, yeah. So they've

00:25:45.690 --> 00:25:47.289
been one of the best teams in the NBA since then.

00:25:47.509 --> 00:25:49.980
I guess my question would be, Do you think there's

00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:52.380
any lessons that a team like the Blazers could

00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:54.859
learn from the way that the Hornets have developed

00:25:54.859 --> 00:25:57.960
their team? And they have a guy in now, Conn

00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:00.059
Knipple, which is hilarious because it seemed

00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:02.200
like maybe Melo Ball was going to be their kind

00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:04.299
of main guy. And then Conn comes in there and

00:26:04.299 --> 00:26:06.160
he's just like this amazing addition to this

00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:09.039
team. Are there lessons other teams can learn

00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:10.900
from the way the Hornets have built their roster

00:26:10.900 --> 00:26:12.799
and the way they've developed their team? Or

00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:15.920
is this just one of those rare situations? I

00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.299
hope it's not a lesson that anybody else takes.

00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.839
Because this franchise, since they came into

00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.500
the NBA, has been a total disaster. Like, it's

00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:27.779
been bad basketball. And you look at the records

00:26:27.779 --> 00:26:30.079
of the Hornets and the Bobcats since they came

00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:32.059
back to the NBA after the original Hornets left

00:26:32.059 --> 00:26:34.279
for New Orleans, and it's been a total dumpster

00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:37.880
fire in every possible way down there. And the

00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:41.140
buzz, and I know this is kind of a, you know,

00:26:41.180 --> 00:26:43.079
not to use the pun here, but the buzz around

00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:45.299
the Hornets right now in Charlotte, it's the

00:26:45.299 --> 00:26:47.279
strongest that it's been since the original franchise

00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:51.029
left. because they have been that bad. And they

00:26:51.029 --> 00:26:53.289
haven't won a playoff series in the 20 -plus

00:26:53.289 --> 00:26:55.450
years since that franchise has been there. And

00:26:55.450 --> 00:26:57.509
over the last couple of seasons, you look at

00:26:57.509 --> 00:27:01.009
it, and, yeah, Brandon Miller is a really good

00:27:01.009 --> 00:27:04.589
young player. LaMelo Ball is a good young player.

00:27:04.789 --> 00:27:07.470
Concanipple has really turned out to be a terrific

00:27:07.470 --> 00:27:10.130
player. I think he should be the rookie of the

00:27:10.130 --> 00:27:13.009
year. They've found some gems at other positions

00:27:13.009 --> 00:27:15.289
and things like that. But, really, for them,

00:27:15.309 --> 00:27:17.359
it's been hell. You look at the last couple of

00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:19.500
years, and LaMelo Ball has missed a lot of games

00:27:19.500 --> 00:27:22.059
due to injury. Brandon Miller last year missed

00:27:22.059 --> 00:27:24.880
a chunk of games due to injury. And this year

00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.099
they've been really healthy. And then you add

00:27:27.099 --> 00:27:29.160
Connick Nipple to that group that is already

00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:34.019
a good young mix of players, and they're starting

00:27:34.019 --> 00:27:36.119
to put it together. After the win over the Blazers

00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:37.839
last night, they've won 11 out of their last

00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.980
12 on the road, and that includes a 30 -point

00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:44.500
blowout in Boston over the Celtics. What they're

00:27:44.500 --> 00:27:47.099
doing is not a fluke. They're just putting it

00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:48.660
all together. They haven't really been able to

00:27:48.660 --> 00:27:50.400
climb too much up the standings because they

00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:53.539
started so poorly. But I think a lot of it is

00:27:53.539 --> 00:27:57.059
health and finding the right pieces to come together.

00:27:57.259 --> 00:28:00.700
They're a well -coached team. But I would never

00:28:00.700 --> 00:28:02.660
say to anybody, hey, look at what the Hornets

00:28:02.660 --> 00:28:05.519
have done. Follow that plan because that's a

00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:10.600
sure way to really turn off your fan base. Yeah.

00:28:10.600 --> 00:28:12.460
Travis, I want to switch over for a minute to

00:28:12.460 --> 00:28:14.640
Donovan Kling, and not only is he averaging 11

00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:18.859
-8 and 11 -5, but also it's interesting, you

00:28:18.859 --> 00:28:21.720
know, we love to look back on drafts, and sometimes

00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:23.660
in the past Blazer history, it's been like, hey,

00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:24.900
they should have taken this person instead of

00:28:24.900 --> 00:28:27.299
this person. Donovan Klingin's become now, like,

00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:29.079
you look back at that draft two years ago, if

00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:30.880
you did a redraft of it now, he'd probably be

00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:32.700
the number one pick. He's been as good as anybody

00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:34.839
who was in that draft. Obviously, they get him

00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.380
down at 5 '6", but this is great to get a cornerstone

00:28:38.380 --> 00:28:40.140
like that and to be able to, like I say, look

00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:42.359
and say, hey, of everybody who came out of that

00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:44.880
draft, if we had to do over again at one, we

00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.799
would take Donovan Klingin. Yeah, Klingin has

00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:51.220
been terrific. And to your point, there was a

00:28:51.220 --> 00:28:53.240
lot of talk going into the draft that Klingin

00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:55.819
was going to be the number one pick. I don't

00:28:55.819 --> 00:28:58.099
know how serious it was, but there was some talk

00:28:58.099 --> 00:29:01.039
that the Blazers would try and trade up to number

00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:04.299
one to go get him. And, you know, seeing the

00:29:04.299 --> 00:29:06.660
way that that unfolded and, you know, we saw

00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:08.740
Shea go as number one. You know, maybe they're

00:29:08.740 --> 00:29:10.200
rethinking that now, but again, he's only in

00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:13.099
year two. Sar went number two. He's been really

00:29:13.099 --> 00:29:16.660
good. Reed Shepard has become a great three -point

00:29:16.660 --> 00:29:19.700
shooter for Houston. Stephon Castle is a really

00:29:19.700 --> 00:29:21.460
good young player, one rookie of the year. And

00:29:21.460 --> 00:29:23.420
then you have Ron Holland at number five to Detroit.

00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:25.470
He's been up and down a little bit. And then

00:29:25.470 --> 00:29:28.049
here comes six and Chad doing, and I were doing

00:29:28.049 --> 00:29:30.509
the draft show that night and we're, we're waiting

00:29:30.509 --> 00:29:32.829
for the sixth pick to come in, which was the

00:29:32.829 --> 00:29:36.670
Hornets. And they draft to Jean Salon, the, the

00:29:36.670 --> 00:29:39.549
kid from France. And we just got up and started

00:29:39.549 --> 00:29:41.849
cheering because that was going to be available

00:29:41.849 --> 00:29:44.190
at number seven. And that's the guy we wanted

00:29:44.190 --> 00:29:46.049
the Blazers to take. And I think if you do a

00:29:46.049 --> 00:29:48.829
redraft, yeah, you're looking at it that. You

00:29:48.829 --> 00:29:52.109
know, Sar, Castle, Klingin, those are probably

00:29:52.109 --> 00:29:54.069
the guys that are in the conversation for number

00:29:54.069 --> 00:29:57.049
one. And I know after last year there was a lot

00:29:57.049 --> 00:29:59.009
of, well, look at what Zach Eady did in his rookie

00:29:59.009 --> 00:30:00.569
year. The Blazers should have drafted him. No,

00:30:00.630 --> 00:30:02.130
they shouldn't have. I think they did exactly

00:30:02.130 --> 00:30:04.430
what they should have done. Some of the other

00:30:04.430 --> 00:30:06.869
guys around there, you know, Chicago has been

00:30:06.869 --> 00:30:09.490
really good. But, you know, you can absolutely

00:30:09.490 --> 00:30:11.710
make the case that Donovan Klingin has been the

00:30:11.710 --> 00:30:15.619
best player out of that class. Both this, I mentioned

00:30:15.619 --> 00:30:17.420
this for you, Travis, and in terms of players,

00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:19.859
like I say, there's 16 games to go. Every one

00:30:19.859 --> 00:30:21.700
of them matters. They're going to, because no

00:30:21.700 --> 00:30:23.000
matter what, they're going to be in that play.

00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:24.039
And then we're going to have, so we're probably

00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:26.839
looking at 17, 18 and maybe more games left for

00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:28.880
you after years where this was the time of year

00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.210
when players were resting and it wasn't. Is it

00:30:31.210 --> 00:30:32.910
just a little more exciting for you calling these

00:30:32.910 --> 00:30:34.890
games? And at the same time, do you see out of

00:30:34.890 --> 00:30:36.230
some of these players, maybe some of the guys

00:30:36.230 --> 00:30:38.089
who've been around? I mean, Jeremy Grant hasn't

00:30:38.089 --> 00:30:39.930
finished a season because he hasn't really needed

00:30:39.930 --> 00:30:42.049
to. You see guys like that. Is there a feeling

00:30:42.049 --> 00:30:43.569
like, hey, this is pretty sweet having something

00:30:43.569 --> 00:30:45.569
to play for? Let's kind of make a run at this,

00:30:45.630 --> 00:30:48.289
see how far we can take it. Yeah, for me personally,

00:30:48.450 --> 00:30:51.569
it's nice because, you know, looking at our team,

00:30:51.750 --> 00:30:53.630
there's something to play for every single night.

00:30:53.710 --> 00:30:56.690
And the games matter. And the players who are

00:30:56.690 --> 00:30:58.410
healthy and supposed to be out there are out

00:30:58.410 --> 00:31:01.359
there. And they're playing to win. And, yeah,

00:31:01.460 --> 00:31:03.500
of course, draft position does matter for a team

00:31:03.500 --> 00:31:04.980
that, if they make the playoffs, aren't going

00:31:04.980 --> 00:31:06.420
to have their first -round pick and a team that

00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:08.039
needs to have more talent. So, of course, that

00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:09.700
matters. But having things to play for, it's

00:31:09.700 --> 00:31:12.559
great. I mean, you have, you know, Drew Holiday,

00:31:12.700 --> 00:31:14.599
who has won a couple of championships, and Jeremy

00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.000
Grant, who has, you know, made deep playoff runs,

00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:21.140
a coach who has won a championship. You know,

00:31:21.140 --> 00:31:23.220
other players, you know, Robert Williams III

00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:26.339
has played in an NBA Finals. You have a number

00:31:26.339 --> 00:31:29.140
of guys who have been through that and know how

00:31:29.140 --> 00:31:32.079
to win. So to have that along with the young

00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:35.059
players like Scoot and Donovan Kling and even

00:31:35.059 --> 00:31:37.599
Denny Obvia, Tumani Kamara, these guys have never

00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:39.940
played in games that matter in the month of March

00:31:39.940 --> 00:31:42.079
and April. And now they're getting an opportunity

00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:45.279
to do that. And even if they don't get to where

00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:46.900
they want to be at the end of the season, at

00:31:46.900 --> 00:31:50.720
least going through this at 22, 23, 24, 25 years

00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.319
old, like those are experiences that matter.

00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.690
It's not the 80s. and you don't have to lose

00:31:56.690 --> 00:31:59.369
a playoff series to go win a playoff series the

00:31:59.369 --> 00:32:02.650
next year. It's not the Pistons against the Celtics

00:32:02.650 --> 00:32:04.509
who learned from it and then the Bulls who lost

00:32:04.509 --> 00:32:07.410
to the Pistons, etc. It's not that, but you do

00:32:07.410 --> 00:32:09.210
have to get that experience, and I think all

00:32:09.210 --> 00:32:11.609
of that is really important. A few years ago,

00:32:11.670 --> 00:32:15.509
we saw Damian Lillard make a run at Kobe's 81

00:32:15.509 --> 00:32:18.289
points. He got 71, and I think it was an interesting

00:32:18.289 --> 00:32:20.640
game because... They didn't necessarily force

00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:22.539
it to him the entire time. There was a part of

00:32:22.539 --> 00:32:24.119
that game where Dame was a little bit deferential,

00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.400
but he got his big scoring outburst. We've seen

00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:30.859
Luka Doncic, Joel Embiid get in the 70s over

00:32:30.859 --> 00:32:32.579
the last few years. And Donovan Mitchell. Donovan

00:32:32.579 --> 00:32:34.259
Mitchell, yep, against the Bulls. Don't even

00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:36.880
get me started about that game. But last night

00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:41.759
we saw 83 points from... bam out of bio who i

00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:43.180
had friends telling me that if you would guess

00:32:43.180 --> 00:32:45.140
how many if you could basically take a guess

00:32:45.140 --> 00:32:47.240
at who scored 83 points they said that bam out

00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:49.480
of bio might have been like the 50th player they

00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:50.720
might have guessed which i think is probably

00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.740
fair i have a take that i think that now that

00:32:54.740 --> 00:32:56.579
this seal has been broken and i'd love to hear

00:32:56.579 --> 00:32:58.160
your thoughts on just this game in general but

00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.680
do you think we might start to see more players

00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.740
start to push for the 81 or possibly 100 because

00:33:04.740 --> 00:33:07.539
quite honestly if bam shoots Another six threes

00:33:07.539 --> 00:33:10.519
hits another six threes. He hits 100, which is

00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:12.880
amazing to say. But first, your just general

00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.240
thoughts on that game and the way that it went

00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.420
down and the fouls and all that stuff. And just

00:33:17.420 --> 00:33:19.440
do you think we're going to start to see other

00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.099
players push for this now that I think the seal

00:33:22.099 --> 00:33:26.279
maybe has been broken by Bam? You know, I haven't

00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:29.640
seen any of I've seen some highlights. I've gone

00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:31.779
through the play by play at the end of the game.

00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:34.240
I've heard what some other people have said about

00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:38.680
it. So. My opinion on it is not completely based

00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:42.079
on a firsthand experience. But the fact that

00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.460
he was still in the game when they're up 25,

00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:50.119
30 points in the fourth quarter, yeah, I'm not

00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:55.900
totally cool with that. You saw it. I didn't.

00:33:55.940 --> 00:34:00.240
So if they were fouling to extend the game to

00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:04.019
give him more possessions, that's... That's embarrassing

00:34:04.019 --> 00:34:07.140
to the state of the NBA. He should be ashamed

00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:09.500
of himself. Eric Spolster should be ashamed of

00:34:09.500 --> 00:34:10.980
himself. The Miami Heat should be ashamed of

00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:13.139
themselves. That's terrible. You shouldn't be

00:34:13.139 --> 00:34:14.760
doing that. Now, again, I'm not saying that that

00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.900
is the case because I didn't see it with my own

00:34:16.900 --> 00:34:20.900
eyes. But if it is, I have a big problem with

00:34:20.900 --> 00:34:23.219
that. And, yeah, of course, you could say, well,

00:34:23.340 --> 00:34:26.039
let the other team stop him. You don't do that

00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:29.420
for a lot of reasons. But, you know, he scored

00:34:29.420 --> 00:34:32.909
83, and that's great. destroyed the record of

00:34:32.909 --> 00:34:36.110
free throws taken. He took 43 free throws by

00:34:36.110 --> 00:34:38.570
himself. Miami took 59 free throws last night.

00:34:39.750 --> 00:34:43.050
That's not a game I would have wanted to call

00:34:43.050 --> 00:34:45.369
because it would have taken forever, first of

00:34:45.369 --> 00:34:47.510
all. And I looked, and it said it was a two -and

00:34:47.510 --> 00:34:49.510
-a -half -hour game. I don't know about that.

00:34:50.230 --> 00:34:52.429
Somebody must have fast -forwarded the tape in

00:34:52.429 --> 00:34:54.090
live action or something because that probably

00:34:54.090 --> 00:34:55.630
should have taken three hours, that many free

00:34:55.630 --> 00:34:59.019
throws. Absolutely. Are players going to try

00:34:59.019 --> 00:35:01.460
and do that and try and beat that record or try

00:35:01.460 --> 00:35:07.340
and go for 100? Maybe, but I can't really see

00:35:07.340 --> 00:35:09.860
too many scenarios where players are going to

00:35:09.860 --> 00:35:13.260
be in a position to do that and they will be

00:35:13.260 --> 00:35:16.340
allowed to go for that. Because what we saw last

00:35:16.340 --> 00:35:19.059
night, again, in theory, what is the fact is

00:35:19.059 --> 00:35:20.840
that they're up by 30 and Bam Adebayo is still

00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.980
in the game doing whatever he wants. You don't

00:35:23.980 --> 00:35:27.070
see that a lot. Because it's disrespectful to

00:35:27.070 --> 00:35:29.030
the game. Maybe that's an old -school way of

00:35:29.030 --> 00:35:32.590
looking at it. You know, the running out the

00:35:32.590 --> 00:35:34.750
clock and getting a dunk and things like that

00:35:34.750 --> 00:35:36.889
at the end of a game that bothers people, I don't

00:35:36.889 --> 00:35:38.449
really have an issue with that. If you're going

00:35:38.449 --> 00:35:40.969
to play, play. Stop the other team. But I do

00:35:40.969 --> 00:35:42.969
have an issue with this, again, if that's what

00:35:42.969 --> 00:35:45.570
happens. So I really don't see a scenario where

00:35:45.570 --> 00:35:48.070
now that that has been broken that other players

00:35:48.070 --> 00:35:49.570
are going to try and go for it. Because if you

00:35:49.570 --> 00:35:51.309
look at what other players and coaches have said

00:35:51.309 --> 00:35:53.969
around the league last night, whether it be,

00:35:54.889 --> 00:35:58.030
You know, J .J. Redick or Ime Udoka after their

00:35:58.030 --> 00:36:00.769
games. Somebody asked, you know, Colin Gillespie

00:36:00.769 --> 00:36:02.469
in Denver after the game last night what he thought,

00:36:02.550 --> 00:36:06.170
and his response was, I don't care. You know,

00:36:06.210 --> 00:36:10.409
I don't think – I think the way that he got those

00:36:10.409 --> 00:36:14.329
points around the league is not respected. Maybe

00:36:14.329 --> 00:36:16.469
somebody goes for that and says, okay, that's

00:36:16.469 --> 00:36:19.150
a disrespectful way of breaking, you know, Kobe's

00:36:19.150 --> 00:36:21.110
record for the second most points in league history.

00:36:21.269 --> 00:36:23.929
I'm going to put a little more respect on that

00:36:23.929 --> 00:36:26.989
record. I can see that happening, but I don't

00:36:26.989 --> 00:36:29.969
think they would chase it because, you know,

00:36:29.969 --> 00:36:33.250
like, oh, like in the sword and the stone. Well,

00:36:33.269 --> 00:36:35.610
once it's been pulled, anybody can pull it. No,

00:36:35.750 --> 00:36:38.730
I don't see it being that way. And back in the

00:36:38.730 --> 00:36:41.409
days of Charles Oakley, Rick Mahorn, and Anthony

00:36:41.409 --> 00:36:44.750
Mason, I would say to say Bam might not be able

00:36:44.750 --> 00:36:46.409
to shoot those last two free throws because they

00:36:46.409 --> 00:36:47.969
would have probably made sure that those fouls

00:36:47.969 --> 00:36:50.309
were a little harder to make sure if he's going

00:36:50.309 --> 00:36:52.510
to try to run up the score on him. Yeah, if he

00:36:52.510 --> 00:36:53.929
was going to do that, he would have had cotton

00:36:53.929 --> 00:36:59.010
shoved up his nose. There it is. All right. We're

00:36:59.010 --> 00:37:00.809
going to pull that clip right there. That's the

00:37:00.809 --> 00:37:02.389
best part of the whole one right there. All right.

00:37:02.510 --> 00:37:05.449
We have Travis Demers, Friday night against Utah.

00:37:05.550 --> 00:37:07.110
You can hear him here on Forks Sports. Eugene,

00:37:07.389 --> 00:37:09.309
if you get bored, go over to McMinnville, listen

00:37:09.309 --> 00:37:12.050
to Danny, and critique his call on the 5A tournament.

00:37:12.210 --> 00:37:13.650
But thanks so much for coming on, as always,

00:37:13.710 --> 00:37:15.550
Travis. Look forward to listening to you on Friday.

00:37:15.650 --> 00:37:18.300
Thanks a lot, bud. Always, guys. Thank you. All

00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:20.739
right. Travis Demers, voice of the Portland Trailblazers.

00:37:20.739 --> 00:37:22.639
All right. When we come back, we are going to

00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.500
chat about the new Oregon State head men's basketball

00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:29.760
coach, Justin Joyner. And we will get into that

00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.179
hire, give you some of his background as we wrap

00:37:32.179 --> 00:37:34.940
up the Wednesday edition of the Danny and Justin

00:37:34.940 --> 00:37:38.340
show on Fox Sports Eugene and Fox Sports Newport.

00:37:40.590 --> 00:37:42.829
All right, welcome back into the Danny and Justin

00:37:42.829 --> 00:37:44.829
show. This is Steve Bims building it for Danny.

00:37:44.949 --> 00:37:47.289
Danny is at McMindle at the 5A tournament. He

00:37:47.289 --> 00:37:50.489
is on the air right now calling Crook County

00:37:50.489 --> 00:37:54.150
has a 64 -36 lead over Crater in the first round

00:37:54.150 --> 00:37:56.449
of the 5A tournament. The important part of that

00:37:56.449 --> 00:38:00.239
is... The next game is Thurston versus Summit.

00:38:00.460 --> 00:38:02.519
You guys had a great interview yesterday with

00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:07.260
Boomer. Yes. Boomer, my boy Blaine Libitor, Boomer.

00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:11.679
And so he is coaching Thurston. Go Colts. I'm

00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:13.340
not even going to pretend to be unbiased. I love

00:38:13.340 --> 00:38:15.599
Blaine Libitor, Doug Paquette, Eric Wharton,

00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:17.500
three good friends of mine. So they play the

00:38:17.500 --> 00:38:19.699
next game, and if they can win that. They would

00:38:19.699 --> 00:38:23.239
advance to face Crook County in the semifinals.

00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:25.280
Unfortunately, if they lose, then they've got

00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:27.420
a league rematch against Crater. So go Colts

00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:30.099
in the 3 o 'clock game and go North Eugene tonight.

00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:31.940
I think North Eugene is the 8 -15 game. So I'd

00:38:31.940 --> 00:38:34.300
love to have a North Eugene -Thurston championship

00:38:34.300 --> 00:38:37.389
game for the Midwestern League. All right. Oregon

00:38:37.389 --> 00:38:40.590
State has announced its new head coach, and it

00:38:40.590 --> 00:38:45.050
is Justin Joyner. Justin Joyner has been on the

00:38:45.050 --> 00:38:47.769
Michigan staff for the last two years. I would

00:38:47.769 --> 00:38:49.409
say those teams have turned out to be pretty

00:38:49.409 --> 00:38:52.110
good. Yeah, they're good. What I like about him,

00:38:52.110 --> 00:38:55.550
he's 38 years old. What I like is he spent seven

00:38:55.550 --> 00:38:58.289
seasons as an assistant under Randy Bennett at

00:38:58.289 --> 00:39:00.409
St. Mary's. So, A, that tells – and he's from

00:39:00.409 --> 00:39:03.949
UCSB, which I know intern Blaze enjoys. So what

00:39:03.949 --> 00:39:06.099
that tells me is West Coast – Recruiting tries,

00:39:06.340 --> 00:39:10.920
West Coast recruiting ties, and I know that Oregon's

00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:12.380
not, you know, they're coming out of the WCC,

00:39:12.500 --> 00:39:15.239
going to the Pac -12, but his top rival at St.

00:39:15.340 --> 00:39:17.639
Mary's was Gonzaga, who's now in there. So if

00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:19.599
Oregon State can get itself to a point to where

00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.519
they can be... You know, Gonzaga's going to need

00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:24.380
a new rival. They're not taking St. Mary's. It

00:39:24.380 --> 00:39:26.000
doesn't go in there. So that's Gonzaga's new

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:27.619
rival. If that can become Oregon State, if they

00:39:27.619 --> 00:39:29.260
can emerge as sort of that second -best team

00:39:29.260 --> 00:39:31.519
in the conference, there's a guy who scouted

00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:33.840
Mark Few and played it before. But initial thoughts

00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:35.980
on the hire of Justin Joyner. I'm going to give

00:39:35.980 --> 00:39:38.420
it a thumbs -up because of the West Coast ties

00:39:38.420 --> 00:39:40.619
and the fact he spent the last two years at maybe

00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:42.679
the best program in the country. Haven't heard

00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:44.539
him talk, so I would love to hear him just in

00:39:44.539 --> 00:39:46.280
an interview or something like that. But I do

00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:48.639
think that it's the same sort of formula as the

00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:50.400
Jamarcus Shepard, is it not? You're getting a...

00:39:50.730 --> 00:39:53.329
First time coach. A first time coach from a really

00:39:53.329 --> 00:39:55.670
good program that's having current success right

00:39:55.670 --> 00:39:58.789
then. And they have ties to the area relatively

00:39:58.789 --> 00:40:02.090
at the very least. So sounds good. I think the

00:40:02.090 --> 00:40:05.190
timing of it is, again, really interesting the

00:40:05.190 --> 00:40:07.090
way this has all gone down. And we're talking

00:40:07.090 --> 00:40:09.050
about, I think, literally yesterday with Danny

00:40:09.050 --> 00:40:11.909
about, hey, Scott Barnes clearly has somebody

00:40:11.909 --> 00:40:14.329
in mind or he must have somebody in mind if you're

00:40:14.329 --> 00:40:16.230
going to go ahead and get rid of Wayne Tinkle

00:40:16.230 --> 00:40:18.130
when he did. Because I thought the timing of

00:40:18.130 --> 00:40:21.980
that was so weird to do it. But doing it before

00:40:21.980 --> 00:40:23.579
the season was over instead of just waiting for

00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:25.539
the season to be done and putting yourself in

00:40:25.539 --> 00:40:27.500
a position where if you're Scott Barnes, if the

00:40:27.500 --> 00:40:29.539
team continues to win, it makes you look worse.

00:40:29.780 --> 00:40:32.619
And so they win a couple games and then obviously

00:40:32.619 --> 00:40:36.239
didn't make it to the final. But I think it sounds

00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.920
good. I mean, you're coming from a place where

00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:41.340
obviously Michigan's had a lot of success. over

00:40:41.340 --> 00:40:43.880
the last however many years. Even obviously over

00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:45.599
the last few years, they've been a top team in

00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:47.960
the country. So I think that it does sound good.

00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.579
I'd love to hear him kind of talk and know what

00:40:50.579 --> 00:40:52.980
his philosophies are about things. But in terms

00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:55.360
of where you're getting him from and the ties,

00:40:55.539 --> 00:40:57.860
I think that it does make sense as a fit. And

00:40:57.860 --> 00:41:00.320
he is going to stay at Michigan through the tournament

00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.239
run, I did see. So he's going to stay with Michigan

00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:04.710
for... But I'm guessing it'll certainly be. I

00:41:04.710 --> 00:41:06.030
think they get through the first weekend for

00:41:06.030 --> 00:41:07.710
sure. They got final four capabilities, but we'll

00:41:07.710 --> 00:41:08.929
see. But it'll probably be a couple weeks until

00:41:08.929 --> 00:41:11.309
he comes. The interesting point then, his wife,

00:41:11.389 --> 00:41:13.829
Tracy Joyner, is the Oregon women's soccer coach.

00:41:14.150 --> 00:41:16.150
This is going to be the stuff that feature stories

00:41:16.150 --> 00:41:18.829
are made of. You're going to see every national.

00:41:20.029 --> 00:41:22.070
Every national publication is going to be coming

00:41:22.070 --> 00:41:24.010
and doing the women's soccer coach from Oregon

00:41:24.010 --> 00:41:25.989
somehow married to the men's basketball coach

00:41:25.989 --> 00:41:27.329
from Oregon State. How does it work? Who do they

00:41:27.329 --> 00:41:29.769
root for? In the Civil War soccer, is he rooting

00:41:29.769 --> 00:41:31.570
for his Oregon State team? Is he rooting for

00:41:31.570 --> 00:41:33.630
his wife's team? The same thing. You're going

00:41:33.630 --> 00:41:35.230
to see a lot of human interest stories there.

00:41:35.650 --> 00:41:37.570
But I think it's great, and it's fascinating.

00:41:38.250 --> 00:41:40.510
I remember seeing when they hired Tracy Joyner

00:41:40.510 --> 00:41:42.570
that it said her husband's the assistant at Michigan,

00:41:42.610 --> 00:41:44.380
and I just remember thinking. That'd be tough

00:41:44.380 --> 00:41:47.219
to live that far apart, and you're both in businesses

00:41:47.219 --> 00:41:49.480
to where you're working a lot and working your

00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:50.960
own house, and you get to really see each other.

00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.179
So for him, it's pretty cool that the job that

00:41:53.179 --> 00:41:55.440
opens up is one that's this close, and he can

00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.559
come out here. Might be a boost for Oregon State.

00:41:57.599 --> 00:41:59.559
Maybe this is a guy who traditionally might have

00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:01.840
waited for a bigger job than Oregon State, but

00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.039
Oregon State gives him a chance to be close to

00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:06.139
his wife again, which is pretty important, you

00:42:06.139 --> 00:42:08.900
would think, in the grand scheme of things. So

00:42:08.900 --> 00:42:11.320
it gives him a chance, and it might also, you

00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:14.300
know, I think if you're... Scott Barnes or whoever

00:42:14.300 --> 00:42:16.019
the AD is going to be in the next few years.

00:42:16.139 --> 00:42:17.980
But if you're the Oregon State AD, you're now

00:42:17.980 --> 00:42:20.119
really rooting for Oregon women's soccer to do

00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.579
well because you don't want her to lose her job

00:42:22.579 --> 00:42:24.760
because you want to keep your guy here. And it's

00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:26.860
kind of tied. It's interesting some of the ties.

00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.420
There's going to be some back and forths. But

00:42:28.420 --> 00:42:30.519
I think it's a great – I think it's a really

00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:32.699
cool story that he gets to now come back out

00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:35.420
here and be with his wife and that you're going

00:42:35.420 --> 00:42:38.000
to have an Oregon State. We've had some transfers

00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.960
between schools. We saw the Atticus Sappington,

00:42:41.019 --> 00:42:43.510
the transfers from Oregon. State to Oregon. Of

00:42:43.510 --> 00:42:45.769
course, legendary before your time, but Rich

00:42:45.769 --> 00:42:47.550
Brooks, the old Oregon football coach, had played

00:42:47.550 --> 00:42:49.889
at Oregon State and Nick Aglioti had coached

00:42:49.889 --> 00:42:51.369
at Oregon State. So there have been kind of some

00:42:51.369 --> 00:42:54.510
crossing of the lines type things. Mike Parker.

00:42:54.590 --> 00:42:56.889
Mike Parker. Mike Parker absolutely was the old

00:42:56.889 --> 00:42:58.869
Oregon and went through. And I'm sure that there

00:42:58.869 --> 00:43:00.849
are people in this world. I'm sure there's a

00:43:00.849 --> 00:43:02.889
U of O employee who is married to an Oregon State

00:43:02.889 --> 00:43:04.730
employee. I'm not saying that, but I don't think

00:43:04.730 --> 00:43:07.070
we've ever had two high profile people like this

00:43:07.070 --> 00:43:09.309
married with one at the other. So I think it's

00:43:09.309 --> 00:43:11.880
going to be a great story for media. and radio

00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:15.019
throughout, and I think it's cool. Completely

00:43:15.019 --> 00:43:18.119
agree. I also can't help but think, we talked

00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.820
about this with Danny, is that I think that the

00:43:20.820 --> 00:43:22.679
number that Wayne Tinkle said going into the

00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.119
Pac -12 that they needed in terms of INIL funds

00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:26.519
was like $4 million, and they were going to get

00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:29.920
two. So we talk about having a rival with Gonzaga,

00:43:30.019 --> 00:43:33.300
who is a really good team every year and does

00:43:33.300 --> 00:43:35.460
make your conference better, especially with,

00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.139
obviously, what the Beavers are in now, the WCC.

00:43:39.449 --> 00:43:41.469
I just don't know if they will be able to be

00:43:41.469 --> 00:43:44.210
competitive based on those things and the money

00:43:44.210 --> 00:43:46.030
that you're getting because so much of what it

00:43:46.030 --> 00:43:48.250
is nowadays isn't just, hey, this guy's a really

00:43:48.250 --> 00:43:50.070
good developer and I'm going to be able to go

00:43:50.070 --> 00:43:52.090
to this place and get drafted or whatever. It's

00:43:52.090 --> 00:43:54.309
like, hey, what dollar amount am I getting? And

00:43:54.309 --> 00:43:58.610
so I think that it sounds like a good hire in

00:43:58.610 --> 00:44:02.269
theory, but I do have concerns about where this

00:44:02.269 --> 00:44:04.570
program is and what their standing will be in

00:44:04.570 --> 00:44:06.929
the new Pac -12 or remade Pac -12, whatever you

00:44:06.929 --> 00:44:09.579
want to call it, because of the money. To put

00:44:09.579 --> 00:44:12.039
it in perspective, Yaxel Lindenborg, the best

00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:14.579
player from Michigan, reportedly received $3

00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:17.619
.5 million this year to skip the draft because

00:44:17.619 --> 00:44:19.380
he was considered to be a potential late first

00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:21.820
rounder. He was at UAB last year, skipped the

00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:23.719
draft, transferred to Michigan reportedly for

00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:26.510
$3 .5 million. That would be $1 .5 million more

00:44:26.510 --> 00:44:28.869
than Oregon State's entire roster if the Wayne

00:44:28.869 --> 00:44:30.690
Tinkle number throws out there. So you're right.

00:44:30.710 --> 00:44:32.349
It's the same thing I thought with Jamarcus Shepard.

00:44:32.949 --> 00:44:35.010
He's coming from Alabama where they have a decent

00:44:35.010 --> 00:44:37.309
amount, and he knows what it takes. I'd be curious.

00:44:37.369 --> 00:44:40.710
I assume these days if you're Jamarcus Shepard,

00:44:40.769 --> 00:44:44.070
if you're Justin Joyner, I assume that money

00:44:44.070 --> 00:44:46.269
is not your salary. It used to be your salary

00:44:46.269 --> 00:44:47.829
was the money you were concerned about. Now you're

00:44:47.829 --> 00:44:50.050
worried about the roster money. I assume that

00:44:50.050 --> 00:44:52.429
you, in the course of those negotiations, are

00:44:52.429 --> 00:44:55.030
able to say, hey, I'm not taking this job if

00:44:55.030 --> 00:44:57.489
you're funding me at $2 million. Hey, if $4 million

00:44:57.489 --> 00:44:59.530
is the average for this conference and you're

00:44:59.530 --> 00:45:00.989
giving us $2 million, you're not giving us a

00:45:00.989 --> 00:45:03.469
chance. So I assume you can bargain in that to

00:45:03.469 --> 00:45:05.070
where Scott Barnes is going to have to say, hey,

00:45:05.090 --> 00:45:07.110
look, we'll bump you up to $4 million. I assume

00:45:07.110 --> 00:45:08.610
Jamarcus Shepard is going to have more money

00:45:08.610 --> 00:45:10.690
available than Trent Bray just because he had

00:45:10.690 --> 00:45:12.250
some bargaining power as well. So it would be

00:45:12.250 --> 00:45:14.369
interesting to see. And again, like I talked

00:45:14.369 --> 00:45:18.250
about. These transfers are already, I mean, players

00:45:18.250 --> 00:45:19.829
who are transferring have already told their

00:45:19.829 --> 00:45:21.750
teams or their agents have already put them out

00:45:21.750 --> 00:45:23.710
there. So if you're Justin Joyner coming in,

00:45:23.829 --> 00:45:26.070
you probably know from people who've been reaching

00:45:26.070 --> 00:45:27.949
out to Michigan, you know kind of who's out there,

00:45:28.030 --> 00:45:29.969
and you've got to know what your budget is. I

00:45:29.969 --> 00:45:31.550
mean, if somebody comes up and is worth a million,

00:45:31.710 --> 00:45:33.949
you can't go asking Scott Barnes, like, do I

00:45:33.949 --> 00:45:35.429
have enough to pay for this? I would assume with

00:45:35.429 --> 00:45:37.030
the hire, Barnes has to tell him right away,

00:45:37.170 --> 00:45:38.989
here's what we can get you for next year, and

00:45:38.989 --> 00:45:40.969
then he can start budgeting that. But it will

00:45:40.969 --> 00:45:42.510
be interesting to see because, you know, anytime

00:45:42.510 --> 00:45:44.329
a coach leaves, I assume most of those guys are

00:45:44.329 --> 00:45:46.780
going to leave. Lake, who's been their best player

00:45:46.780 --> 00:45:48.880
and whose dad played at Oregon State, might be

00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:50.719
the most likely to stay. He's from Oregon. His

00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.260
dad played there. Maybe that's call one for Justin

00:45:53.260 --> 00:45:54.860
Joyner. Hey, let's keep the all -league guy here.

00:45:55.219 --> 00:45:56.980
Boost him up to whatever it's going to take there.

00:45:57.460 --> 00:45:59.000
But it'll be interesting to see how he can build

00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.079
a roster. I mean, we've seen some coaches can

00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:03.199
do it pretty quickly. For a first -year head

00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:05.159
coach who's also still going to be working his

00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.360
job for the next couple weeks, this is going

00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.280
to be a pretty key time to be burning the candle

00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:10.980
at both ends. But I'll be interested to see what

00:46:10.980 --> 00:46:12.480
kind of a roster he can put together in year

00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:14.239
one. And like you say, what kind of a budget

00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:15.440
Scott Barnes... is getting him to do it. Because

00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.079
again, if you give him $2 million, he's not going

00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:19.159
to put much together, whether he's Dusty May

00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.619
or Justin Joyner. Dusty May, because Michigan's

00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:24.920
got about $10 million to spend. And I do think,

00:46:24.980 --> 00:46:26.719
like we were talking about with Dana Altman,

00:46:26.900 --> 00:46:30.719
and this is a year for Dana Altman, hey, if you're

00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:32.019
keeping Dana Altman, you've got to really just

00:46:32.019 --> 00:46:34.199
try to, you have to win, right? And I think that

00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:35.920
maybe it's a little bit different in the situation

00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.099
where you want to have the budget, obviously,

00:46:38.219 --> 00:46:40.340
but I think at the very least, you want to see

00:46:40.340 --> 00:46:43.400
yourself set up over the next few years where,

00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:45.820
hey, This is a little bit transitioning now.

00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:47.360
You're going to a new conference. You have a

00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:49.639
new head coach. I just want to see them compete,

00:46:49.780 --> 00:46:51.340
and it look like they're on the right track,

00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.300
where this season it just felt like, you know,

00:46:54.300 --> 00:46:56.039
they just had like a ceiling. And they did really

00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:57.539
well at the end of the year. They kind of surpassed,

00:46:57.539 --> 00:46:59.519
I guess, my expectations of where they did in

00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:01.699
a tournament. But sometimes that comes down to

00:47:01.699 --> 00:47:03.460
a team that's playing for their head coach, and

00:47:03.460 --> 00:47:05.420
there's just sort of these real -life emotional

00:47:05.420 --> 00:47:07.360
circumstances that I think were there for this

00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.099
team, and they're playing for Coach Tinkle. I

00:47:10.099 --> 00:47:11.260
do think it's going to be interesting to see

00:47:11.260 --> 00:47:13.559
how they transition into this new era, both in

00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:15.320
the Pac -12 and with this new head coach. And

00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:16.920
I don't necessarily know if that will directly

00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:19.059
lead to wins right away. But I don't know if

00:47:19.059 --> 00:47:21.780
you have to as much as I would say like Ducks.

00:47:21.820 --> 00:47:23.159
I think you have a little bit more of a runway

00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.079
here. And the Pac -12 is going to be good in

00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:27.320
men's basketball. You know, Gonzaga is good.

00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.320
You know, San Diego State's been good most years.

00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.380
Utah State traditionally is pretty good. So,

00:47:32.380 --> 00:47:34.579
you know, if you're not keeping up with them

00:47:34.579 --> 00:47:37.440
in terms of NIL and your roster. Don't think

00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.619
that, hey, we're one of the old Pac -12s. We

00:47:39.619 --> 00:47:41.360
were the Power Five coming down. We're just going

00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:43.400
to instantly be one of the top ones because we

00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:45.820
were one of those. Some of the other ones are

00:47:45.820 --> 00:47:48.260
going to be there as well. So there's no guarantee

00:47:48.260 --> 00:47:50.679
that, hey, we were Pac -12 before, and when this

00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:52.639
thing rebuilds, we're the ones who are coming

00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.000
back and going to be up there. And particularly

00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.000
football, the conference isn't going to be as

00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:57.519
good. Baseball, we've discussed, particularly

00:47:57.519 --> 00:47:58.980
for Oregon State, it's not going to be as good

00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:00.659
of a conference. But men's basketball, it's going

00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:03.500
to be a good conference. They need it, quite

00:48:03.500 --> 00:48:05.599
honestly, because I don't know how good of a

00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:07.059
football conference it's going to be. I think

00:48:07.059 --> 00:48:08.340
it's going to be a worse football conference

00:48:08.340 --> 00:48:10.340
than it will be a basketball conference. So I

00:48:10.340 --> 00:48:12.139
agree. It'll be interesting. Yeah, and we'll

00:48:12.139 --> 00:48:14.719
see on that one there. So it was official for

00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:18.750
those who are just tuning in. Justin. Justin?

00:48:18.750 --> 00:48:21.309
Joyner. Joyner, thank you. Justin Joyner is the

00:48:21.309 --> 00:48:24.150
new head coach of Oregon State men's basketball

00:48:24.150 --> 00:48:28.349
and will be arriving in Corvallis once Michigan's

00:48:28.349 --> 00:48:30.829
done with its NCAA tournament run, wherever that

00:48:30.829 --> 00:48:34.909
may be. Big Ten tournament, though, is this week,

00:48:34.949 --> 00:48:36.210
and that's for Michigan. I think Michigan's got

00:48:36.210 --> 00:48:37.849
a double bye, so they don't play for a couple

00:48:37.849 --> 00:48:41.269
days. But Oregon season's over, as we discussed.

00:48:41.269 --> 00:48:42.969
It is. It'll be interesting to see what happens

00:48:42.969 --> 00:48:45.750
now. Absolutely. All right. Appreciate everybody

00:48:45.750 --> 00:48:49.010
for tuning in. Justin, tomorrow it's going to

00:48:49.010 --> 00:48:51.469
be Just Justin. It'll be the Just Justin Show.

00:48:51.869 --> 00:48:55.030
So tune in there. I will be back Friday, and

00:48:55.030 --> 00:48:57.969
we will have big bets going there. I'm on a terrible

00:48:57.969 --> 00:49:00.230
slump. I'm coming up with the games. You are,

00:49:00.230 --> 00:49:01.849
yeah. But this is going to be a brutal week because

00:49:01.849 --> 00:49:03.670
the Saturday games aren't going to be determined

00:49:03.670 --> 00:49:05.429
until Friday because it's all conference tournaments.

00:49:05.869 --> 00:49:07.329
So we're not going to know Saturday games until

00:49:07.329 --> 00:49:08.969
Friday. So I was talking about this with Danny

00:49:08.969 --> 00:49:10.469
yesterday. I'm going to have to do some NBA or

00:49:10.469 --> 00:49:12.110
something. We'll see. We'll figure it out. We

00:49:12.110 --> 00:49:14.230
will figure it out, as always. All right. Tomorrow

00:49:14.230 --> 00:49:16.309
is Justin. I'm back on Friday. This is Steve

00:49:16.309 --> 00:49:17.690
Mims filling in for Danny. You're listening to

00:49:17.690 --> 00:49:19.610
The Danny and Justin Show on Fox Sports Eugene

00:49:19.610 --> 00:49:21.690
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