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All right, everybody, welcome back to the deep

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dive. Today we're diving straight into the deep

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end of the pool with something that I know a

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lot of our listeners are going to be interested

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in, particularly those that have been following

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along for a while. And that's this recent action

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we've been seeing with gold and silver prices.

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Absolutely. all over the headlines and it's hard

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to miss. We figured we'd kind of take a little

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bit deeper of a dive into it today and also look

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at the idea that's kind of been floating around

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out there for years about this potential price

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suppression when it comes to gold and silver.

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You flagged a really interesting article for

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us. It's titled, Gold and Silver Break Free.

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The End of Suppression. Pretty catchy title.

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And this was published just recently, March 14th,

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2025. So we're trying to stay on top of things

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here on The Deep Drive. As always. So our goal

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today is really to get... Beyond just the headlines,

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you know, we want to really get into the historical

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context of what's been going on with absolutely

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silver Understand what's actually happening right

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now? And also take a look at what this article,

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you know suggests might be coming up on the horizon

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for these precious metals Yeah, I think a key

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thing today is to try and you know Look, we could

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talk about this for hours and hours. Oh, yeah

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and get really bogged down in all the details,

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but you know As always, we want to try and provide

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that clarity without, you know, overwhelming

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everybody with too much. Yeah, and there's a

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ton of information out there and we just want

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to try and cut to the chase. Exactly. Okay, so

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let's jump right in. The article kicks off by

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taking a look back and the first thing that caught

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my eye was this thing called the London Gold

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Pool back in the 1960s. Right. And this was something,

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I'll admit, you know, I had heard about it before,

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but I never really understood exactly what it

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was. So for those of you out there who maybe

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haven't heard about the London Gold Pool or don't

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really have a grasp on it, can you just give

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us a quick overview of what exactly the idea

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was there? Yeah. So the London Gold Pool essentially

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was a cooperative effort by a group of central

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banks. OK. And the idea was they were trying

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to fix the price of gold. at $35 an ounce. Wow.

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So can you imagine? Yeah, back then. That's crazy.

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Yeah. It is crazy when you think about what gold's

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trading at now. Yeah. So how are they trying

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to pull that off? So they did this by pooling

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their gold reserves. OK. And then. Basically,

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they would actively intervene in the market by

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either buying or selling gold to keep it at that

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$35 level. So almost like trying to just put

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a ceiling on it. A lid on it, yeah. Trying to

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keep it contained. So it sounds to me like you're

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almost trying to hold back something really powerful

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with that. A powerful force, exactly. And so

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what ultimately happened with that? I mean, you

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can't just hold back the tide forever, right?

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You can't hold back the tide forever, and that's

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exactly right. as you can imagine, this demand

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for gold, particularly at that time, there was

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a lot of concerns about the US dollar. And as

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faith in the dollar started to waver, that put

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a lot of pressure on gold. So they were having

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to use more and more of their reserves to try

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and keep it at that level. And eventually it

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just became too much. And in 1968, the whole

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thing collapsed. Wow. So it couldn't be sustained.

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They couldn't hold it back. They couldn't hold

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it back. And that kind of shows you that, you

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know, you can try and manipulate things, but

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ultimately, the market's going to do what it's

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going to do. I think that's a really interesting

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takeaway from this historical example, because

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it shows you that, you know, markets, and we

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talk about supply and demand. Right. You know,

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it's not just a theory. Like, actually, when

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you try and, you know, sort of put artificial

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controls in place, ultimately. Supply and demand.

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Supply and demand went out. Went out. Yeah. And

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what happened after the gold pool collapsed was

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really interesting, because as you can imagine,

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once that control mechanism's gone, the price

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just exploded. So by January 1980, gold had reached

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something like $850 an ounce. Oh, wow. So it's

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this huge... Yeah, it's a big... Percentage increase

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in a relatively short period of time. Yeah, huge

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move. Huge move. Okay. So it kind of shows you

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what can happen when these kind of mechanisms

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break down. Yeah. Okay, so fast forward quite

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a few years. The article brings up these allegations

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by Andrew McGuire back in 2010. Right. And this

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is something that... a lot of our listeners,

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I think, will remember. And it seems much more

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recent. It seems more relevant to the whole discussion

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of potential suppression that's going on. Exactly.

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So what exactly did McGuire claim was happening

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back then? So McGuire, he'd been working as a

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commodities trader. OK. And he... basically came

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forward very publicly and made some really serious

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allegations of manipulation in the gold and silver

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markets. His main point was that - What did he

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say they were doing specifically? He was saying

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that major banks were using these huge quantities

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of paper contracts. So things like futures and

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options to artificially depress the price of

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physical gold and silver. So instead of reflecting

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true supply and demand, they were just... Exactly.

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He was saying this is not about genuine hedging.

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Right. You know, this is about basically keeping

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the price artificially low so that they could

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profit from that. OK. And so this all led to

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a CFTC investigation, right? It did. The Commodity

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Futures Trading Commission. Right. They launched

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an investigation. And what came of that? I mean,

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obviously, these things are kind of complex,

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right? They are complex. And, you know, often

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you don't get a huge amount of transparency on

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these investigations. Yeah. You know, what we

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have seen is that financial institutions have

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faced penalties for manipulating commodity markets

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in the past. OK. But not necessarily directly

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admitting to, you know. You don't often see a

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direct admission of, you know, this kind of widespread

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conspiracy to suppress gold and silver prices.

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Right. But certainly, Maguire's allegations.

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I think really added fuel to the fire. Yeah,

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for those who already suspected that something.

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Exactly, for those who already had those suspicions.

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Was going on. Yeah. And it makes you wonder,

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right? Makes you question. If it's even possible

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to manipulate things. You know how transparent

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and fair are these markets? Yeah, it's a big

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question. Big questions. Yeah. Okay, so that

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gives us some really good background and historical

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context. Yeah. Now let's kind of shift to what's

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happening in the here and now. And the article

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mentions some pretty significant price jumps,

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both for gold and silver. It does. So can you

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kind of walk us through what we've been seeing

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lately in terms of the price movements? Sure.

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So the article says that gold recently hit an

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all -time high. It's broken above $2 ,900 an

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ounce. Wow. Yeah, that's pretty remarkable. That's

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a huge milestone. Yeah. And what's really interesting

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is that the technical analysis that they talk

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about suggests that once gold broke through these

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key resistance levels... Okay, you can kind of

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think of those as those price ceiling price ceilings

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Yeah levels that it's struggled to break above

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right in the past and once it breaks through

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that once it breaks through that There's not

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really a lot. Yeah, you know technically speaking.

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Yeah, stopping it from going even higher Wow,

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so potentially even beyond $3 ,000 so $3 ,000

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is kind of a you know, it's a big big psychological

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level psychological barrier Yeah, yeah. Okay.

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So gold's been on the move gold's been on the

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move and silver hasn't been slouching either.

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Okay It's seen some pretty big moves as well.

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Yeah. Yeah. So what about silver? What's been

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going on there? So silver's climbed above $33

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an ounce. OK. And the article points out that

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analysts are seeing a lot of upside potential

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for silver. So it could keep. Yeah, especially

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if you buy into this whole suppression area that

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we've been talking about. OK. Because the thinking

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is that silver has kind of lagged behind gold.

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You know, gold's had these huge moves. Right.

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Silver's kind of been playing catch up. So they

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think there's still room for silver to run. Potentially

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a lot of ground that it could make up. Okay.

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Yeah. The article also brings up this gold to

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silver ratio. Yeah. And it says that it's currently

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around 88 .9 to one. That's right. What does

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that number actually tell us? So the gold to

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silver ratio is basically saying, you know, how

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many ounces of silver does it take to buy one

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ounce of gold at the current prices? So right

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now, you'd need almost 89 ounces of silver to

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buy one ounce of gold. Now, historically, that

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ratio has been a lot closer to around 65 to one.

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So what that suggests... It's a little out of

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whack. It's a little out of whack, yeah. And

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it suggests that potentially... Silver is undervalued.

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Silver is undervalued relative to gold. Interesting.

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Based on their historical relationship. So if

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that historical balance were to... come back

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into play, then that could mean that silver has

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a much bigger percentage increase potentially

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than gold. Okay, so here's where I think things

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get really interesting. The article then goes

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on to talk about some of the real shifts that

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are happening within the financial system itself

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that might be contributing to all of this price

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action we've been seeing. The first thing that

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it mentions is this surge in demand. for physical

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gold. It's not just on paper anymore. It's not

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just people trading contracts. It's people actually

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wanting to hold the metal. Yeah, they want the

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real thing. You want the real thing. Yeah. So

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what do you make of that? Well, I think it's

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really interesting because the article highlights

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this big increase in investors, particularly

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in places like New York, big financial centers.

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They're actually wanting to hold physical gold.

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OK. So, you know, that could mean a couple of

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things. I mean, maybe there's a lack of trust.

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Yeah, a lack of trust in the system. In the system,

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yeah. Maybe they're just worried about what's

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happening in the economy and they want something

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tangible, something they can actually hold. Makes

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sense. And when people actually want to hold

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the physical commodity instead of just a derivative

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of it. That's going to put upward pressure on

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the price. Right. Yeah. And it's not just individual

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investors either, right? No, it's not. I mean,

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the article talks about central banks. Central

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banks are buying a lot of gold. They're buying

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a lot of gold, like a lot. Yeah. I think the

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article says it's one of the strongest periods

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of gold buying we've seen in recent history.

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What does that tell you? I mean, to me, that's

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a pretty big deal. These are the institutions

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that are supposed to be managing our national

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reserves and making sure everything's stable.

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And they're basically saying, you know what,

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we want gold. We want real assets. We want real

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assets. Yeah. Yeah, maybe we're not so sure about

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these fiat currencies anymore. Makes sense. So

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you've got individuals wanting to hold the actual

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metal. You've got central banks loading up their

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vaults. I mean, that seems like a pretty The

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shift in... Fundamental shift in demand. In demand,

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yeah. Yeah. It really is. Okay, so then the article

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goes on to talk about what some of the major

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financial institutions are saying about all of

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this, and it specifically mentions Goldman Sachs

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and JP Morgan. Yeah. So these are, you know...

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pretty influential players. They're big players

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in the market. Yeah, they can definitely move

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markets. They move markets. So what are they

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saying? So what's really interesting is that

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they've actually, you know, they've revised their

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outlook on gold clicks. It's bullish. Yeah, and

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they've increased their price targets. Wow. So

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they're saying... Yeah, so they're basically

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saying, you know, we think gold's going to go

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higher. Higher. Yeah. Interesting. So I think

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that's a pretty big deal. Because they're basically

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admitting that they might have been wrong before.

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It's possible, yeah. Or that maybe the game has

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changed. Or that the game has changed. Maybe

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they're seeing something that wasn't there before.

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Yeah. OK, so it seems like the article is making

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this case that maybe this isn't just short -term

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volatility. These breakouts in gold and silver

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prices that we've been seeing, maybe this is

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the start. of something bigger. Maybe they're

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finally starting to move towards a price level

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that reflects their true value. Would you say

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that's a fair assessment? I think that's a really

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good summary of what the article's saying. They're

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saying, look, we've got all this historical precedent.

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We've seen how hard it is to actually control

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these markets. We've got this current price action.

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gold and silver on the move. You've got this

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huge demand for physical gold. You've got the

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central banks buying it up. Right. And you've

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got these major institutions changing their tune.

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Yeah. So you put it all together. It does seem

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like we could be at a turning point. OK. And

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specifically for silver, the article reiterates

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this historical pattern of silver really kind

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of taking off once it starts a sustained move

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higher. Yeah. So. historically silver has tended

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to outperform gold in terms of percentage gains

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when you have a bull market. So if gold really

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is entering this bull market. If gold really

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is taking off, silver could potentially see some

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really big gains. Yeah, and it's interesting

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to note that even some of the analysts and investors

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who have been vocal in the past about this whole

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suppression narrative, They're viewing this as

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kind of a yeah, like it's confirming validation

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of what they've been saying what they've been

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saying all along Yeah, so it's interesting to

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see how you know how the narratives evolving

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right? Yeah, you know you have these guys who've

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been saying for years Yeah, gold and silver are

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undervalued. Yeah, because of all this manipulation

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now. They're saying they're being proven right

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well. This could be it yeah This could be the

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moment. OK. So as we wrap things up here, let's

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just kind of recap some of the key takeaways

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from this article. Gold and silver break free.

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The end of suppression. Really? So we've looked

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at the history of attempts to control gold prices.

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We looked at some of the allegations of manipulation

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in the markets. We looked at these huge price

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surges we're seeing right now in both gold and

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silver. The fact that people actually want to

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hold the metal, the physical gold, that central

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banks are loading up their vaults and that these

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big institutions are changing their tune. It's

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a lot to digest. It is a lot to digest. But I

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think the article does a good job of laying out

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this argument that potentially we are coming

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to the end of this period where gold and silver

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have been artificially suppressed and that they're

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going to start to move towards their true value.

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And it makes you wonder, right? if all of this

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is happening. It's a big if. Yeah, it's a big

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if. But if it is, what does that mean for the

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bigger picture? What does that mean for our understanding

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of value? What is value? What is value? What

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is money? What is money? What does it mean for

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the stability of the entire system? I mean, are

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we seeing this kind of reassessment of the role

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of precious metals? A shift. Yeah. It's something

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to think about. It is something to think about.

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So I want to thank everybody for tuning in. Yeah.

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To this Dipe Dive. As always. You know, we've

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just kind of given you a snapshot here of what

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this article is saying. Just a taste. Just a

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taste. Yeah. But there's a lot more to explore.

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There's a lot more out there. There's a lot more

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out there. So keep digging. Digging. Keep asking

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questions. Do your own research. Yeah, and you

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know. Yeah. Let us know what you find. Let us

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know what you find. All right, everybody, we'll

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see you next time. See you next time. On the

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deep dive.
