WEBVTT 00:00:02.550 --> 00:00:05.309 Yay! Welcome back everyone to the SoapWire Podcast. 00:00:05.389 --> 00:00:08.009 I'm so excited because we have a special guest. 00:00:08.230 --> 00:00:10.330 We have Ben Gavin from Beyond the Gates. Hey! 00:00:10.849 --> 00:00:13.789 Hello, how's it going? Good, how are you? I'm 00:00:13.789 --> 00:00:16.010 doing great, great to be here. Oh my god, you 00:00:16.010 --> 00:00:17.250 were talking about your daughter earlier and 00:00:17.250 --> 00:00:19.160 how old is your daughter? So she's going to be 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:22.699 two on Friday. So very excited. Yeah. Yeah. Happy 00:00:22.699 --> 00:00:25.160 birthday. Yeah. It's a crazy stage right now. 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:27.640 She's just like talking like crazy, running around, 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:29.519 swimming. Now it's like, man, I can't believe 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:32.159 it. Oh my God. It's such a good time. My daughter's 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:34.820 15, so she'll be 16 in February. So yeah. Wow. 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:38.490 Yeah. I'm like, Not ready for that yet. No, we're 00:00:38.490 --> 00:00:41.710 close. You're right. I remember those days. I 00:00:41.710 --> 00:00:46.090 don't want to go back. For sure. Oh, my God. 00:00:46.149 --> 00:00:48.289 So we put on our social media that, like, you 00:00:48.289 --> 00:00:49.670 know, we were going to be talking to you soon. 00:00:49.909 --> 00:00:53.969 And so we're coming in. They were flooding in. 00:00:53.969 --> 00:00:57.109 Cool. Actually, though, I want to say I recognize 00:00:57.109 --> 00:01:00.609 you, though, from my favorite. I was at Lifetime 00:01:00.609 --> 00:01:04.129 TV movies, Killer Reality. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, 00:01:04.129 --> 00:01:07.349 yeah. Yeah. And that stars another soap opera 00:01:07.349 --> 00:01:10.409 vet. She played Maya on Geron Hospital, the lead 00:01:10.409 --> 00:01:12.730 in that movie. So I was like... Oh, yeah, for 00:01:12.730 --> 00:01:15.489 sure. She's great. Oh, and I had the little phone 00:01:15.489 --> 00:01:17.810 call with her, pitching her the job, right? Yeah, 00:01:17.829 --> 00:01:20.790 that's great. That was actually directed by one 00:01:20.790 --> 00:01:22.810 of my favorite people in the world. His name's 00:01:22.810 --> 00:01:25.750 Jeff Fisher. And that was the first of, I think, 00:01:25.989 --> 00:01:28.349 three movies that I've done with him. We did 00:01:28.349 --> 00:01:30.629 a Hallmark movie called My Christmas Love as 00:01:30.629 --> 00:01:33.109 well. And then we did another... Christmas movie 00:01:33.109 --> 00:01:36.769 called Christmas Camp. And he is just my favorite. 00:01:37.810 --> 00:01:41.290 He's such a sweetheart and so sensitive and passionate. 00:01:42.329 --> 00:01:44.609 And sometimes with those movies, you don't get 00:01:44.609 --> 00:01:47.390 someone like him to work with you. So I absolutely 00:01:47.390 --> 00:01:49.469 love working on Killer Reality. And that movie 00:01:49.469 --> 00:01:52.849 turned out so good. I loved it so much. So I 00:01:52.849 --> 00:01:56.750 was just like, anything he does, I'm in. Yeah. 00:01:57.450 --> 00:02:00.049 So this is your first Oprah, right? So how has 00:02:00.049 --> 00:02:02.879 it been? It's it this is definitely my first 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:06.280 opera it is but it was it was an adjustment i'm 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:09.580 not gonna lie because the pace was so fast and 00:02:09.580 --> 00:02:12.939 coming into you know sets that are all pre made 00:02:12.939 --> 00:02:14.719 and everything like that and you're coming in 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:17.340 and shooting the scenes one two and we're out 00:02:17.340 --> 00:02:19.060 moving on and then we're doing the next scene 00:02:19.060 --> 00:02:21.060 right away so that was like an adjustment i was 00:02:21.060 --> 00:02:23.879 kinda like. Oh, deer in the headlights at first, 00:02:24.020 --> 00:02:26.400 but you know, once, once it kind of started to 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:28.020 set in a little bit and I'm like, oh, okay, I 00:02:28.020 --> 00:02:30.360 get the, I get the, I get the nature of how we're 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.539 doing it. I get, you know, the pace of what you're 00:02:32.539 --> 00:02:35.099 going. And now it's like, now, now I'm, I feel 00:02:35.099 --> 00:02:36.979 in the group, you know, and I love it so much. 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:40.879 I mean, It's like yesterday, I shot seven scenes. 00:02:41.099 --> 00:02:44.419 I think my call time was at 7 .30 in the morning, 00:02:44.620 --> 00:02:48.439 and I was out the door by 11 .30, 11 .30 in the 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:51.240 morning. And that on a film set is absolutely 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:54.319 unheard of. You might get seven scenes done in 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:58.039 the whole day. But it's great. I mean, the cast 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:01.000 is incredible. Just being around those people, 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:03.400 some of those vets, and then some of, you know, 00:03:03.460 --> 00:03:06.610 I mean... And just working with everybody and 00:03:06.610 --> 00:03:09.069 everybody who they brought on department heads 00:03:09.069 --> 00:03:12.849 from from Teresa with the with the costumes and 00:03:12.849 --> 00:03:16.469 and Stevie with the makeup and my guy Wayne who 00:03:16.469 --> 00:03:19.090 does my hair and my beard and lines me up every 00:03:19.090 --> 00:03:21.569 day. I mean, I just I love it so much. It's it's 00:03:21.569 --> 00:03:24.409 been an absolute dream come true. So I'm really 00:03:24.409 --> 00:03:26.909 diving in digging in get sinking my teeth in 00:03:26.909 --> 00:03:29.250 and now that Derek is starting to progress a 00:03:29.250 --> 00:03:30.870 little bit more, a little bit more interesting 00:03:30.870 --> 00:03:32.990 storylines. It's been, it's been a lot of fun. 00:03:33.210 --> 00:03:34.669 Yeah. We got to talk about that. But I do love 00:03:34.669 --> 00:03:36.569 how you guys are all on like TikTok and you guys 00:03:36.569 --> 00:03:37.990 are interacting with the fans. So it's really 00:03:37.990 --> 00:03:40.810 great. It's fun. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cause that's 00:03:40.810 --> 00:03:42.729 like the number one question we got from the 00:03:42.729 --> 00:03:45.849 fans is like, okay, so this whole switcheroo 00:03:45.849 --> 00:03:50.039 with the love. I know you can't, of course. Of 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:51.639 course you cannot spoil it. But like, what can 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:54.580 you tell us about what's going on with Derek 00:03:54.580 --> 00:03:56.860 and Ashley and now the little, the little gossipy 00:03:56.860 --> 00:04:00.520 nurse Shanice? Yeah, Shanice, you know, um. You 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:02.879 know, Shanice has been dropping little hints 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:05.599 throughout the early part of the season, being 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:07.099 kind of like, well, if you don't keep hold of 00:04:07.099 --> 00:04:09.719 that man, I'm gonna, you know, and I definitely 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:12.879 was picking up on people being like, well, if 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.039 Ashley keeps, you know, messing around, Shanice 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:17.100 is hanging in the, hanging, lurking in the corner, 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:19.540 waiting to, and she definitely did. She pounced 00:04:19.540 --> 00:04:23.019 on it quickly. And I think Shanice and Derek 00:04:23.019 --> 00:04:27.560 have really. great chemistry together. They clearly 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:30.279 really like each other. Derek kind of feels a 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:33.639 little like freed up from maybe what was kind 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:36.459 of a tumultuous relationship with Ashley. But 00:04:36.459 --> 00:04:40.139 at the end of the day, if you were to give Derek 00:04:40.139 --> 00:04:42.160 some truth serum and you ask him who does he 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:44.500 want to be with, I truly believe it's Ashley. 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:48.240 And that might materialize here going forward. 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:49.939 It might not. We'll have to see. You know what 00:04:49.939 --> 00:04:53.870 I mean? But yeah, in his heart of hearts, he 00:04:53.870 --> 00:04:58.850 really just wants the happily ever after. He 00:04:58.850 --> 00:05:02.810 wants that family life. He wants that one woman 00:05:02.810 --> 00:05:05.290 and he wants to have a family. He wants to have 00:05:05.290 --> 00:05:08.110 his job. and he wants to keep all that stuff. 00:05:08.589 --> 00:05:11.689 And, you know, that's something to be said for 00:05:11.689 --> 00:05:13.889 a character on a soap opera, because typically, 00:05:13.970 --> 00:05:15.689 you know, they're kind of, you know, you got 00:05:15.689 --> 00:05:18.189 eyes turning this way, who's next? You know, 00:05:18.389 --> 00:05:21.790 Derek is very singularly focused. I don't think 00:05:21.790 --> 00:05:23.990 he makes always the best decisions, but none 00:05:23.990 --> 00:05:26.709 of us do. So, you know, having to kind of navigate 00:05:26.709 --> 00:05:32.600 those decisions. But, yeah, I mean... acting 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:36.420 off Ernestine has been a real treat, as well 00:05:36.420 --> 00:05:39.839 with Jen Jacob, who plays Ashley. And now that 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.600 we have a little bit more tension growing between 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:45.199 us, it becomes a little bit more interesting 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:48.240 for everybody, including the fans watching. Oh, 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:50.899 I'm not going to lie, too. I mean, Ashley was 00:05:50.899 --> 00:05:54.639 blatantly flirting. I mean, I would kind of be 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:58.139 like... Tell me about it. Tell me about it. It 00:05:58.139 --> 00:06:01.339 was funny. I was talking with Sean, who plays 00:06:01.339 --> 00:06:04.220 Andre, and we're just kind of going back and 00:06:04.220 --> 00:06:09.000 forth. And we were talking about, like, is there 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:12.199 going to be any, like, fight sequence here? Because 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:15.079 someone was like, because at this point, Derek 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:17.920 would have thrown down with Andre. You know what 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:21.660 I mean? I'm just like, I think so too. But yeah, 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:24.100 there's definitely, I mean, You know, there's 00:06:24.100 --> 00:06:28.060 there's stuff that Derek knows and doesn't know. 00:06:28.180 --> 00:06:30.680 You know, there are conversations that Ashley's 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:34.019 having with Andre that, you know, it's like it's 00:06:34.019 --> 00:06:36.379 like that, like you kind of sense it in the back 00:06:36.379 --> 00:06:38.540 of your mind. Like this is happening. But Derek 00:06:38.540 --> 00:06:40.959 doesn't have anything tangible to hold on to 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:44.300 to say, hey, what is happening here? Why are 00:06:44.300 --> 00:06:46.639 you having these conversations? So it's it's 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:49.060 just kind of like this burning little little 00:06:49.060 --> 00:06:51.339 little thing in the back of his head that he's 00:06:51.339 --> 00:06:54.430 that he's trying to to understand what it is. 00:06:54.709 --> 00:06:57.829 What is this disconnect that we're having here? 00:06:58.629 --> 00:07:02.389 Is it in my own head? Is it my own insecurities? 00:07:02.490 --> 00:07:04.029 Is it something that's really happening or is 00:07:04.029 --> 00:07:09.370 it a combination of both? And you're absolutely 00:07:09.370 --> 00:07:12.250 going to find out soon. It can't be because I 00:07:12.250 --> 00:07:15.430 drank the orange juice off the potato. It can't 00:07:15.430 --> 00:07:18.170 just be that, right? You know what I mean? That's 00:07:18.170 --> 00:07:21.730 no big deal. I'm trying to save the glass. That 00:07:21.730 --> 00:07:24.269 whole sequence was kind of amusing. But yeah, 00:07:24.329 --> 00:07:25.970 I mean, I would get so frustrated. I'm like, 00:07:26.050 --> 00:07:27.610 OK, y 'all delivered a baby. Like, all right, 00:07:27.670 --> 00:07:30.889 OK. Yeah, that's right. We got it. We got it. 00:07:30.990 --> 00:07:33.329 We got it. They keep bringing up that baby in 00:07:33.329 --> 00:07:38.180 the elevator. I'm like, OK. We get it. It's not 00:07:38.180 --> 00:07:43.839 that serious. So funny. Yeah. So the show's been 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:45.220 renewed for season two. We're so happy about 00:07:45.220 --> 00:07:47.740 that. So what do you want to see for your character 00:07:47.740 --> 00:07:50.680 going into season two? Man, I just want to see 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:56.920 growth. I want to see more action when it comes 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.199 to him being a firefighter. You know what I mean? 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:02.860 There's a lot of talk about him being a firefighter. 00:08:02.939 --> 00:08:06.839 There's not much other than like, getting injured 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:10.959 with that concussion early on. And then I'd like 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:12.600 to see a little bit more of that, a little bit 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:17.860 more of what makes him tick in that regard. I 00:08:17.860 --> 00:08:21.660 want him to be able to kind of spread his wings 00:08:21.660 --> 00:08:25.680 a little bit in terms of... in terms of his romance 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:29.379 life, you know, what, like, be, like, kind of 00:08:29.379 --> 00:08:31.259 hold solid ground a little bit more and kind 00:08:31.259 --> 00:08:33.740 of, you know, draw a line, like, hey, this is 00:08:33.740 --> 00:08:36.820 what I want, this is who I am and this is what 00:08:36.820 --> 00:08:40.799 I want and I want him to set the standard, you 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:43.230 know what I mean, and be able to. be able to 00:08:43.230 --> 00:08:46.730 kind of command what is best for him. And hopefully 00:08:46.730 --> 00:08:50.629 he can do that. There's some stuff that's coming 00:08:50.629 --> 00:08:54.649 up that definitely will put a hitch in that. 00:08:55.490 --> 00:09:00.049 But he definitely starts making his way and being 00:09:00.049 --> 00:09:03.870 more committed to what he truly wants. And it's 00:09:03.870 --> 00:09:07.990 not going to kind of cow tail to anyone else 00:09:07.990 --> 00:09:11.800 who might not be on the same page as him. Oh, 00:09:11.800 --> 00:09:13.460 interesting. Yeah, that was so cool to see him 00:09:13.460 --> 00:09:15.860 at his job and to see, and to see, you know, 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:18.120 like kind of an everyday life. Cause we see the 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:19.940 hospital a lot. So yeah, it'd be kind of cool 00:09:19.940 --> 00:09:21.740 to see. Right. Nurse hospital. And then there's 00:09:21.740 --> 00:09:24.100 the, uh, there's the, the police station, but 00:09:24.100 --> 00:09:25.679 there's not, there's no fire station. You know 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:27.580 what I mean? Um, they do, they have brought in 00:09:27.580 --> 00:09:30.279 some, some more of the firefighters. I will say 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:32.259 that. Um, I don't think that's breaking any rules. 00:09:32.580 --> 00:09:37.259 So I am interacting with some more of my my co 00:09:37.259 --> 00:09:39.440 -workers who, you know, truly to him, they're 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:43.000 his family. That's before, you know, before Ashley, 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:47.240 that his whole life was at the station working 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:49.759 with his firefighters, like these guys, they 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:53.039 risked their lives together. You know, they really 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:56.100 poured all out on the line and there's a connection 00:09:56.100 --> 00:09:58.240 and a bond there. And I think season two, there's 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:01.220 a lot of room for that to be discovered. Yeah, 00:10:01.220 --> 00:10:03.200 there is. I mean, we could do a whole arson story 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.480 or something. I've seen that. I saw someone, 00:10:06.820 --> 00:10:10.360 some fan theory saying that like Derek's going 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:13.799 to burn Ashley's house down and then come in 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:15.980 and try to save her. And I was like, whew, that 00:10:15.980 --> 00:10:19.740 is a stretch. That would be very soapy. That 00:10:19.740 --> 00:10:22.360 would be soapy, right? You never know. I don't 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:25.470 think anything's off the table. Right. Explore 00:10:25.470 --> 00:10:27.450 his bad side a little bit or maybe throw him 00:10:27.450 --> 00:10:29.049 in with some of the Dupris. I mean, he's like 00:10:29.049 --> 00:10:33.149 Dupris adjacent. Yeah, very adjacent, very adjacent. 00:10:33.570 --> 00:10:36.009 It would be nice to interact with some of the 00:10:36.009 --> 00:10:39.049 Dupris, too, for sure, because they got some 00:10:39.049 --> 00:10:42.269 meaty stuff going on in their life. That's the 00:10:42.269 --> 00:10:46.929 truth. Right. Has anything been filming about 00:10:46.929 --> 00:10:50.110 or challenging about filming? And if so, what? 00:10:53.580 --> 00:11:00.100 You know, for me it was, my background in acting 00:11:00.100 --> 00:11:03.460 before getting on Beyond the Gates has been mostly 00:11:03.460 --> 00:11:07.179 films. So, you know, there's a single camera 00:11:07.179 --> 00:11:10.940 and, you know, we set up your coverage and we 00:11:10.940 --> 00:11:13.179 shoot it like three or four times and then we 00:11:13.179 --> 00:11:15.419 set up my coverage and we shoot it three or four 00:11:15.419 --> 00:11:17.299 times and then we do a master and we shoot it 00:11:17.299 --> 00:11:19.620 three or four times. I had to definitely get 00:11:19.620 --> 00:11:22.620 used to, we have four cameras going on all at 00:11:22.620 --> 00:11:26.039 once. So everything's happening all at once. 00:11:26.059 --> 00:11:28.899 So we get in there and we shoot that. And it's 00:11:28.899 --> 00:11:31.259 a lot of times one take. That was definitely 00:11:31.259 --> 00:11:33.379 the most challenging thing for me because I had 00:11:33.379 --> 00:11:36.659 to kind of adjust being like, oh, OK, I'm not 00:11:36.659 --> 00:11:40.700 going to get four, five, six times to do this 00:11:40.700 --> 00:11:43.620 scene. I'm going to get one, maybe two times 00:11:43.620 --> 00:11:46.409 to do this scene. And then we're moving on. So 00:11:46.409 --> 00:11:50.409 that was an adjustment because when I'm doing 00:11:50.409 --> 00:11:53.870 a film, I'm kind of navigating when I'm what 00:11:53.870 --> 00:11:57.509 I call dropping in. Like when I drop in and I 00:11:57.509 --> 00:12:02.169 go all out for that one take. And I'm not going 00:12:02.169 --> 00:12:04.090 to do it when the camera's not on me. I'm going 00:12:04.090 --> 00:12:05.789 to do it when the camera's on me. And that was 00:12:05.789 --> 00:12:07.389 something I had to learn early on in my film 00:12:07.389 --> 00:12:11.529 career. So being like, OK. We got to be ready 00:12:11.529 --> 00:12:14.509 to drop in take one. Here's your close -up go 00:12:14.509 --> 00:12:17.049 That was definitely a challenge, but but that 00:12:17.049 --> 00:12:19.490 was early on I think I adjusted to that after 00:12:19.490 --> 00:12:23.429 after the first few weeks of the show You know 00:12:23.429 --> 00:12:26.309 some of the the amount of dialogue that we get 00:12:26.309 --> 00:12:29.929 Like that that that's never been an issue for 00:12:29.929 --> 00:12:32.970 me That's always been kind of one of my strong, 00:12:33.210 --> 00:12:36.570 my superpowers is my memorization, but boy, we 00:12:36.570 --> 00:12:39.330 got a lot, and it comes in and we're doing it 00:12:39.330 --> 00:12:41.370 all the time. So I'm like, just the other day 00:12:41.370 --> 00:12:46.169 I had a really heavy day of some high emotional 00:12:46.169 --> 00:12:48.470 stuff that was like pages and pages and like 00:12:48.470 --> 00:12:53.649 I had monologues. And then I got off the set 00:12:53.649 --> 00:12:56.090 late and then was like, okay, I got to get in 00:12:56.090 --> 00:12:59.610 tomorrow early at 7 .45 and I'm... looking at 00:12:59.610 --> 00:13:03.909 my pages for tomorrow and I'm like, oh boy, there's 00:13:03.909 --> 00:13:06.350 another long day. Like, and I had to just like, 00:13:06.350 --> 00:13:08.990 you know, stay up late and get, so that is definitely, 00:13:09.330 --> 00:13:13.610 I think any soap actor can agree with that. Like 00:13:13.610 --> 00:13:16.309 the amount of dialogue that we have and it's 00:13:16.309 --> 00:13:20.210 as fast as we do it. That's a challenge, but 00:13:20.210 --> 00:13:26.259 really it's a dream job, honestly. You get I 00:13:26.259 --> 00:13:28.159 get in there. You're not for the most part. You're 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:30.820 not spending all day on set Which is what you 00:13:30.820 --> 00:13:34.379 know on films or or or probably? Primetime television 00:13:34.379 --> 00:13:36.360 shows you might be doing if you have that many 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:39.080 scenes They come in they knock them out and then 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:41.399 you're and then you're off You know doing something 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:42.799 else for yesterday or getting ready for your 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:49.460 next day It's a it's a dream scenario And the 00:13:49.460 --> 00:13:53.500 best part of the whole process for me is when 00:13:53.500 --> 00:13:56.240 I get the email of a new script. And I'm like, 00:13:56.580 --> 00:14:01.460 OK, where are we going now? Where's my life taking 00:14:01.460 --> 00:14:04.039 me now? Because it's totally out of my hands. 00:14:04.259 --> 00:14:06.419 You know what I mean? It's in the writers who 00:14:06.419 --> 00:14:09.820 are amazing. Michelle Van Gene, she's just obviously 00:14:09.820 --> 00:14:15.370 so. elevated at her craft, the storylines and 00:14:15.370 --> 00:14:17.309 the arcs for all the characters. But I mean, 00:14:17.470 --> 00:14:19.870 I've been really grateful to see what they've 00:14:19.870 --> 00:14:22.549 done with Derek and the different obstacles that 00:14:22.549 --> 00:14:24.649 they've put forth in front of him that make it 00:14:24.649 --> 00:14:29.610 very interesting to shoot and try to overcome. 00:14:30.089 --> 00:14:31.870 Yeah. Well, speaking of the script, I mean, you 00:14:31.870 --> 00:14:34.210 could BCC me. I won't tell anyone, but no. Oh, 00:14:34.309 --> 00:14:36.509 yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'll send them over. We 00:14:36.509 --> 00:14:38.490 got the script that they were breaking up your 00:14:38.490 --> 00:14:40.549 character and his girlfriend, Ashley. How did 00:14:40.549 --> 00:14:43.549 you what was your initial reaction? I remember 00:14:43.549 --> 00:14:46.970 when I first read this, it was like when they 00:14:46.970 --> 00:14:50.090 first kind of started dropping the seeds of breakup, 00:14:50.909 --> 00:14:54.009 when Derek came in and started bringing all his 00:14:54.009 --> 00:14:55.730 stuff in and was like, yeah, we're gonna get 00:14:55.730 --> 00:14:57.889 rid of this, we're gonna do this. And I was like, 00:14:58.009 --> 00:15:00.750 boy, what are you doing? I'm like, what are you 00:15:00.750 --> 00:15:04.399 doing, man? But then that was kind of like. You 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:07.059 know, there was sadness too, because I didn't 00:15:07.059 --> 00:15:09.240 want them to break up. But then there was also 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:11.759 kind of a sense of being invigorated, because 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:14.659 those are exciting and intense scenes. Those 00:15:14.659 --> 00:15:17.519 are interesting. People latch onto those. I latch 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:20.860 onto that kind of. heartache you know that it's 00:15:20.860 --> 00:15:22.799 something people everyone's gone through everyone's 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:24.639 felt that you know everyone's felt the sense 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:27.179 of loss or losing someone and trying to keep 00:15:27.179 --> 00:15:30.039 it together and and just not being able to so 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:32.519 um so i you know it was also i was very excited 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:34.860 you know i was like okay now we got something 00:15:34.860 --> 00:15:37.700 to kind of now we got some issues because um 00:15:37.700 --> 00:15:40.340 you know there's there's no good story if everything's 00:15:40.340 --> 00:15:45.820 just Good to go. I was excited to see what that 00:15:45.820 --> 00:15:48.419 was going to look like and how it was going to 00:15:48.419 --> 00:15:51.240 play out with Jen. I think Jen has done an amazing 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:58.659 job. After we did that scene at Uptown where 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:02.259 where I proposed and, you know, it seemed like 00:16:02.259 --> 00:16:04.500 maybe she was going to say yes, but it's kind 00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:06.519 of everyone kind of knew she not going to say 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.519 yes. This is hasty. You're not. You didn't really 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:14.039 think this through. Those things we both kind 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:17.899 of left to set and. And we both started crying 00:16:17.899 --> 00:16:20.179 like personally, you know what I mean? It was 00:16:20.179 --> 00:16:23.120 it was like I was fighting it so much in the 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:25.600 scene because, you know, you're public. I'm the 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:27.179 man. I don't want to cry in front of you this. 00:16:27.299 --> 00:16:28.899 I got to keep this. But this my heart's breaking. 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:30.740 And then we walked out and I was like, it all 00:16:30.740 --> 00:16:33.639 just came down and all. And then I see her and 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:36.159 she's the same way. So it's like that kind of 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:39.419 that's what that's what I love about what we 00:16:39.419 --> 00:16:41.519 do. You know, I love that, you know, being able 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:46.399 to. to challenge our emotional maturity here. 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:50.220 Maybe this is not how I would act, but have I 00:16:50.220 --> 00:16:52.240 ever acted this way before? Have I ever felt 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:57.179 this way before? What would I do in this situation? 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.419 And how would it feel to go through something 00:17:00.419 --> 00:17:02.559 like this? Because getting down on your knee 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:07.630 and proposing is... and a massively vulnerable 00:17:07.630 --> 00:17:11.349 place to be. You know what I mean? And to do 00:17:11.349 --> 00:17:14.170 it to someone that you care about so much and 00:17:14.170 --> 00:17:17.049 her be so impassioned about, hey, now's not the 00:17:17.049 --> 00:17:21.750 time. It's hard to wrap your head around that. 00:17:22.690 --> 00:17:25.789 To make that be okay. You know what? It's hard 00:17:25.789 --> 00:17:27.670 to just be a mature person about it and be like, 00:17:27.910 --> 00:17:29.819 you're right, it's not the right time. Let's 00:17:29.819 --> 00:17:32.400 pause. It's like, no, most people take stuff 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:34.299 like that personally. You know what I mean? They 00:17:34.299 --> 00:17:38.079 take that as a hit. Well, why? Why? Why not now? 00:17:38.180 --> 00:17:41.039 Why not me? What is it? Is it someone else? Is 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:44.000 it me? Is it really just because I was kind of 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.359 a slob? You know what I mean? Because me personally, 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:50.460 I do relate to Derek and Nat. My wife is amazing. 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.279 She's very together and neat. You know what I 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:58.430 mean? And I haven't always been. Um, but that 00:17:58.430 --> 00:18:00.750 was something that she had to adjust and we had 00:18:00.750 --> 00:18:02.250 to adjust and kind of met in the middle. You 00:18:02.250 --> 00:18:05.690 know what I mean? Um, so it's, it's, uh, it's 00:18:05.690 --> 00:18:07.569 something that I can relate to, but, uh, but 00:18:07.569 --> 00:18:09.289 like I said, getting down on your knee and asking 00:18:09.289 --> 00:18:13.190 someone to marry you, um, in my opinion, you 00:18:13.190 --> 00:18:16.309 should be sure. You should be sure before you 00:18:16.309 --> 00:18:18.109 get down what's going to happen. But you know, 00:18:18.230 --> 00:18:20.130 Derek really wanted to push the envelope here. 00:18:20.150 --> 00:18:22.750 He really wanted to say, Hey, look, you know, 00:18:22.829 --> 00:18:26.420 let's, let's make this official or, or not. You 00:18:26.420 --> 00:18:28.240 know what I mean? And then soon as it was not, 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:31.799 I think he really kind of like relaxed a little 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:34.799 bit, being like, okay, this is not happening. 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:40.329 But let's see what else is out there. And Lord 00:18:40.329 --> 00:18:42.390 knows Shanice is right there to jump on top of 00:18:42.390 --> 00:18:45.130 it and make sure Derek is taken care of, which 00:18:45.130 --> 00:18:47.109 I think people are really enjoying seeing that. 00:18:47.130 --> 00:18:49.630 So I'm happy. I'm happy about it. Yeah, we're 00:18:49.630 --> 00:18:51.910 loving it. She's like, here I am. Yeah. Yeah. 00:18:51.910 --> 00:18:53.869 Yeah. That scene when they walked into uptown 00:18:53.869 --> 00:18:55.529 and where I'm just there, I'm like, I ain't going. 00:18:58.089 --> 00:19:00.730 So my last question for you, if you can really 00:19:00.730 --> 00:19:03.109 quickly for what's upcoming for your character 00:19:03.109 --> 00:19:22.299 is three words. Give me a second. OK. I always 00:19:22.299 --> 00:19:28.099 stump people with this one. Yeah. Love, pain, 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:33.920 and triumph. Oh, in that order. Yeah. Okay. Sounds 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.940 so good. I'm so excited for that. Thank you again 00:19:36.940 --> 00:19:40.339 so much for joining us. Hey, absolutely my pleasure. 00:19:40.500 --> 00:19:42.460 Thank you so much for having me. Guys, we're 00:19:42.460 --> 00:19:45.680 going to have you back when he chooses a girl 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:48.880 or the girl chooses him. You'll have a few things. 00:19:49.740 --> 00:19:53.079 Don't hesitate to hit me up. Thank you so much. 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:55.160 Thank you so much. Have a good one. You too.