Ryan, we're usually better prepared. We're not
today. We're always better prepared. This is
the first time. It's because you sprung this
on us. Ladies and gentlemen, dear internet, welcome
to Kaleidoscope. My name is Ruby Ray Liu, and
today I'm unexpectedly joined by my co -host,
Luigi, and a friend of the podcast, Ryan. See
you guys again. I'll say it again. My name is
Ruby Ray Liu. I'm what happens when you see too
many doctors and go to too many appointments.
Savage. Yeah. My name's Luigi and I don't have
a clever thing to say today because I was caught
off guard for this podcast. I'll be brutally
honest on this podcast. But. But I can say I
feel like Ryan's gonna be on here again and again
and again Perfect just cuz I feel like we need
to we I feel like we need to uh What's the word
I don't know how to say it we need to like you
know, we got to give a more a Professionalism
that makes sense You have to come back now so
that we can be more professional next time. Ryan's
our foreign expert. I'm a foreigner to you, Gary.
Official foreign expert. That's right. Congratulations.
Ryan, we were chatting before Luigi came up,
you said you have a few months to your PhD, which
is still mitochondria. and plenary worms. I have
to say this time I feel a lot more awake than
last time. Last time I was sleepy as fuck. Like
I accidentally, I did fall asleep for a minute
or two. I cut it out of the final podcast. You
should not be saying that. I'll cut it out of
this one too. Or you should say admittedly you
were falling asleep not because what we were
talking about was boring. No, I just said because
I'm not tired. Last time I was overtired. I was
over everything. I was so stressed and yeah,
I'm much better now. What are you, Ryan? Can
you introduce yourself to our listeners? Right
now I am looking for a lab. So I haven't really...
chosen exactly which path I'm going to take for
biomedical engineering. Probably something in
systems neuroscience. We're currently working
in an olfaction lab trying to figure out how
the nose works with the brain. But yeah, my path
is undecided at this very moment, and that's
what I'm really focused on. That's what it's
all about in the Academy, just wandering. Especially
when you get into the graduate years. Yeah, I've
recently been advised. I've recently been advised
that graduate years are better than non -graduate
years. Yes, true. I said that. It was me. Yes,
it was you. In our last podcast, Ryan, if you
watch it, you'll know. Oh my gosh, I'm busy uploading
it as we speak. It is completely uploaded. It
has now been uploaded. Goodness. There's a lot
of freedom involved at the same time. Some handholding
is kind of desired, because there's way too many
options. I don't know if we're doing it right.
Yeah, I think that's the problem with kids who
love school. Not that you're a kid. I'm going
to prefer to us as kids, but when you like learning,
it's hard to choose. And you kind of worry mentally
about like... if you're doing, what you're doing
is right and you want to do something else, like
there's so much you want to cover, but you have
to get used to just, just accepting that you
can only do one finite thing. It sucks, but you
know, when you're a professor, then then you
can keep on adding stuff to your repertoire.
This is probably being adjacent to where you
want to end up. Yeah. That's the goal. Sorry,
Ruby, we cut you off. No, it's okay. I'm just
listening. Are you guys still getting an echo
from me? No. You sound fine to me. No? Okay,
good, good, good. Ryan sounds like he's in a
fishbowl, but that's okay. Whatever. I'm so used
to audio problems with this podcast. Listen,
it's getting better. It is getting better. I
mean, I have a microphone. Yeah, it is. But there's
also some phones. That's obviously no longer
needed by phones. Great. Love that. From experience,
I can tell you that microphones don't matter.
They just fuck things up more. Can confirm. Today
we are talking about UFOs and what's psycho...
Psycho what? Cryptids. No, okay cryptids, let's
bring it all the way. I'll look here. I have
it on my side. Panpsychism. What is panpsychism?
I'm into it. I did a presentation on that to
my last lab I was rotating through. They tend
to be very physicalist, very materialist, very
anthropocentric. with their views because they're
working on neurodegeneration, tracking humans
and mice as their brain gets damaged, how does
the system compensate. And I see an issue, I
take issue with that because their models are
too narrow. Like if they took a step back and
looked at how intelligence exists in all of its
embodiments, I feel like they would get more
insight into the problems they're facing. So
I gave a talk on like a more generalized view
of intelligence and how it arrived. We didn't
like it so much. We're still pretty set and humans
are special. We are. I agree we are on this planet.
We are pretty special. Until the dolphins take
over time. Until the dolphins take over. That's
right. Listen, listen, you two, if we're gonna
go into these deep subjects, we really need to
make sure we carefully lay out what they are
before we talk about them some more. But first,
I think we should just ask fun, generic questions.
Random, random, what's it called? Not like a
speed. Quickfire, that's the word. That's exactly
what I was thinking, but I couldn't articulate
it. I was thinking speed round, but quickfire
is the word. It's okay, that's why I'm here.
That's why I'm the host. Like, I'm just here
to facilitate shit, aren't I? Absolutely. I don't
know anything about anything. I'm the only one
with an undergraduate degree here. Yikes. I'm
here to make washed up comedian -like jokes.
Graduate degrees are overrated. All degrees are
overrated. What is your fondest memory of me?
Hearing you scream every morning from the other
room. That was my alarm clock. Just so everyone
knows, Ryan and I, when we were teachers, we
worked at a school and we worked in teacher dorms.
So we were at buildings. We didn't have our own
apartments. We had to live on campus. And yes,
for the most part. I was always shouting for
some reason, for one reason or another. Absolutely
true. I enjoyed visiting you, having some of
your exquisite coffee pouring. I learned how
to let it breathe. Yes, I was also a hipster
for coffee. Here's the spiel, here's a lowdown
of what's happening that week. There's always
something happening. Yep. Yep. My... Luigi, I
drink a lot of coffee and I like my coffee really
strong. But you like your coffee burnt. Like,
it's so powerful. It kicks me in the teeth. Is
that true? Yeah. I've made you coffee, but I've
made you coffee with my really low -tier espresso
machine. No, no. At your house, coffee's good.
But whenever you were making coffee at, like,
at school... Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay,
we should also tell this to viewers. Yep. Coffee,
yeah, look at that, weird. Coffee apparently
plays a big part in the social aspect of my life
as an educator. Ruby and I, when we were working
together, we were also often in our boss's office
and he had a mocha espresso pot and I was tasked
with always brewing the coffee. He said I sucked
at it. I think he was right. But anyway, I always
had to make the coffee. So yeah, I guess, yeah,
that makes sense. That trance. In my mind, when
I'm pouring, I'm like, all right, let it freeze.
Look, look, the bubbles coming up. That's what's
up. Let it bloom. You got it, baby. I'm glad.
I'm glad you remember that. I have plenty of
fond memories of Ryan and I at work. Let's see
what's won. You having cast iron pots that me...
Cast iron pan sorry and me yelling at you about
how to take care of them because you had your
ideas about like what the internet said I thought
they were just woefully inaccurate and wrong
Like how you're supposed to treat them You just
you just were refused refused to clean them and
just keep like an inch or like a centimeter worth
of oil in them. I just thought, no, that is not
how you do it. I have a seasoned pan that I haven't
washed since I bought it. It was washed once
and then seasoned. uppity about seasoning, you
know, cast iron pans or whatever. Listen, you
can wash them with soap. It makes no difference.
The important thing is when you're done washing
them or rinsing them or whatever, you have to
like heat them again and smoke them. You should
wipe all that oil out because if you don't, they
will rust. And Ryan never did that and they were
always rusty. There's no rust. We just wipe it.
We wash it with like boiling water. We pour boiling
water over it. Yeah. Or like really hot water.
You can scrub it. Scrub the stuff off. Like use
a sponge. Then we have like a scrubber and we
scrub over it. And then you take a paper towel
and you wipe it clean. And then you spray new
oil. Exactly. And then you heat it again, right?
Until it like smokes. You should do that. You
do that before you cook. Oh my word. No. Just
leave cold oil in there a little bit. Disagree.
Disagree. You should heat it again and then let
it smoke and then just wipe all that new oil
off and then leave it for the next time. Okay.
Fine. That's just what I... I think that's right.
That's like the first thing we put together as
foreigners entering China. We all had our tetanus
shots, so I know you can eat that rest. You should
be trying my hit screen. Tetanus shots, yeah.
Hiding up that history, making that, ooh, niggling
flavor. Yeah. Brian and I had a lot of fun. We
did a lot of fun stuff. A little bit of lockdown.
Okay. What's the worst thing you've ever had
a tetanus shot for? And how many have you had?
One tetanus shot in like grade three or four.
I got into an argument with a student while playing
football and he came at me and then I put him
in a headlock. Mind you like nine or ten and
then he bit my leg and hits like teeth marks
or in my leg. Oh Like that's how hard he bit.
So I had to get I had to get a tetanus shot Because
they're like, oh, we don't know. Do you still
have the scar? No, I don't disappointed Well,
I guess it wasn't that bad but that's like a
Little extreme a tetanus shot. That's my worst.
Yeah didn't walk on a nail or anything, got bit
by another human being. Not rabid, though. So
you'd think the doctors would be like, no, it's
fine, whatever. I'm not a doctor. What about
you, Ryan? COVID shots, it's kind of required
three just to keep it going. And then coming
back to the United States, they're like, no,
none of those count. Here, have two more. Just
so I could travel to South America. Plus the
yellow thing at the same time. I mean, yeah.
I remember those COVID shots, yep. Yeah, if I
recall, we had to get COVID shots in our city
and then they ran out of the shop. So then we
had to go to another hospital and get a totally
new shot. Yep. My worst tetanus shot was inflicted
on me by an e -bike late at night. Really? Yeah,
you know about it. It was when I left school
early every single day because my foot was literally
cut open. I don't remember that. Okay, anyway,
I'll tell the story. There's a little kickstand
on an e -bike. I'm sure you're aware. We all
know. Yeah, you all know. For the listeners,
there's a little kickstand. And when I say e
-bike, it looks like it's an electric moped.
And this little kickstand makes contact with
the ground, regularly. It doesn't start sharp.
But eventually, over a couple of years, it will
sharpen itself against the tar of the road or
wherever you put it, the concrete. Like, uh,
I never, okay. Yeah, okay. It was, um, it was
a hot summer's night and I was wearing like the
Plastic Birkenstocks. Because it had to rain
the previous day. Okay. But the reason I'm saying
this is they are not porous and they have like
a bathtub of a shape. Right? Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
I don't mean... Yeah. So the e -bike is stuck
because when I parked it, the front wheel had
like gone into the bedding of a tree. And it's
late at night. I've had a couple of drinks and
I'm... pulling this e -bike out, it won't budge,
right? So I put like, I really put all my weight
behind it and I pull it out and it goes over
this like root or whatever. And as it does that,
that little kickstand is like one centimeter
into my toe and just slices through my toe. Um,
and I didn't realize it because you know, when
you get hurt, you don't, you don't feel anything.
So I'm like walking, I get on the e -bike. I'm
like, why the hell is my foot wet? And then I'm
like, why, why does my toe itch? Oh my God, that's
painful. I look down, I can't see anything cause
it's dark. Put my flashlight on my, on my, on
my phone and. The whole like bathtub shape of
this Birkenstock is just filled with blood Yeah,
I It's it's like 1130 at night. So I ride back
home Stop limp upstairs Blood is like starting
to pour out of this Birkenstock get back in get
in the house and just staunch the blood, right?
I'm so tired. I Take acetone. Yeah, like Dettol
and just pour it over there. Stick a shot with
like a Band -Aid and sleep. The next morning
I go and get four stitches, yeah. It was super
painful. And the doctor's like, why didn't you
come here last night? I'm like, dude, I was,
yeah, it was not a good time. I was really sleeping.
Really that happened when we worked together?
Yeah. Wow. I don't even remember. I feel like
a bat. We hadn't kindled our friendship yet.
No way. Uh -uh. I refuse to leave that. It was
a little bit before. It was like really early
on. Okay. Really early on. Fine. Fair. Okay.
That, I believe. All right. Ryan, any tennis
story? Oh yeah, COVID, right. Okay. No. His was
so unremarkable. He said his tennis stories were...
All right. Fair enough. Ryan, you need to ask
us one rapid -fire question, then they will dive
into UFOs. They don't have to be smart. You just
ask us anything. How was your day? What did you
do? I'm serious, but everyone would have me planting
these. I've got a bunch of hydroponic systems
and I'm just planting every random vegetable
or fruit. What would you guys put there? I'm
so jealous. Ryan, do you remember when we found
that kind of plant that we shall not name on
this podcast right before we stopped working
together? Why shall we not name it on this podcast?
Because I don't want to get in trouble. Was it
a mushroom? No, a mushroom is not a plant. Did
it want to give you a high five or a high seven?
Grows on the wild out in China, but people don't
recognize for what it is. Yeah, they don't recognize
it at all Yeah, speaking of plants. I mean, I'm
always growing plants But you know, it was the
job I was at We can't say the name you guys gonna
get sworn by agents right away. That's right
It was just like a plant anyway That's not a
couple of times. Really? Yeah, I've been near
Mongolia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody knew what
it was. Yeah, I mean, that goes without saying.
But yeah, I mean, I'm a plant aficionado. I wouldn't
say that, but because like the job you and I
worked at, that's when I discovered my love of
houseplants. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, our boss, the principal.
Yeah, I was taking care of the principal's plants.
And I sucked at it. I think I killed all of them.
I just didn't know how to do plants. And then
we lived in these tiny cramped dorms, so I thought,
oh, the air in here is not clean. I hear if you
have a lot of plants, it'll clean the air. So
then I started an obsession with houseplants.
And then now I just love growing plants for other
reasons. So I've got I don't know It's like 40
house plants as you know Ruby Yeah, I heard that's
the thing. I don't have that many in my room
I do they do get killed every year some of my
plants die most of my plants die and I have to
spend the year saving them because The people
I asked to take care of them They can't take
care of plants, and they don't care to, but they
agreed to help me. Just imagine what your principal
felt like when you killed all of their pets.
This is redemption. I would talk, you could look
at it that way, I would talk to her every day
and be like, oh, what's happened? This plant's
doing this, blah, blah. And she'd be like, I
don't worry about it. But I think wherever she
is in the world, Ryan, I think you visited her,
but I think a big part of her life is like a
coffee shop and plants. Yeah, her whole house
is just surrounded by gardens. She just has a
little cabin on her property that people come
in and buy food directly through them there.
And it's awesome. Look at that. What a dream.
Living the dream. Let's dress in sin while I
put you there. Listen, here we go on about, you
know, the faults of all of these kinds of schools,
but you know, that's Charter Schools for you.
All around the world, you know? Can't be helped.
That's right. What can you do? Alright, Ruby,
let's get into it. What are we talking about
today? Do you have any perspectives, Ruby? I
can... Okay, I have a perspective. Yeah. UFO
sightings only happen around technologically
advanced countries because... UFO, whatever is
flying the UFO understands that that is where
the risk is coming from. But that being said,
so there have been, and I just searched this
in South Africa. There is a history of UFO sightings.
notable events including a 1995 flap I don't
know what it that's that's what the incident
is called it's called the flap incident and then
okay in 1914 there was a monoplane scare so like
in 1914 people saw a plane in South Africa yeah
okay and then there's an aerial school incident
in 1994 where 60 children reported seeing a UFO
and aliens. Wait a minute. That's in Zimbabwe.
That's like Rua or whatever it's called. Let
me look it up. That is one of my favorite spooky
UFO stories. I like that story. I've never heard
of it. Really? Really? So, more direct, I don't
know. He did, you know, E .T., Spielberg. That's
exactly like the Napster mummies, if you compare
their anatomy. So, it seems like he knew what
those mummies were going to look like 20 years
ahead of time. The thing I like about the aerial
school in Rua is that it's one of the most credible
UFO scenarios recorded. Rua, okay. How do I define
credibility? How do I define credibility? I guess
in the instance of UFOs, not easily disproven,
not explainable. But the one problem I have with
that is, why it tracks is because you have all
of these children reporting this story. And how
do you get all of these children? get them to
opt in to tell this story about this experience.
The only thing I could think of is that they
were tricked. So, you know, for the viewers,
if they don't know this story, a school in the
country of Zimbabwe, in the continent of Africa,
in a city of Rua, maybe? Okay, there was a school
and a UFO landed and I believe an alien came
out and all of these kids met the aliens. And
after that, some, I don't know, some professional
came and interviewed all the kids and made a
documentary. And the adults never saw the alien.
And then, oh, I think maybe a psychologist came
and made a documentary, maybe. And... interviewed
all the kids and they were all, they all experienced
it. So how do you get all of these kids to opt
into this story? The only explanation I could
think of is that they're really clever and they're
like, yeah, let's do it. And someone incentivized
them like, you'll get a bunch of candy if you
do this. I mean, I could probably get my whole
class of nine -year -olds to lie if I rewarded
them with something. But I just feel like that
wouldn't happen. there were some adults behind
it and they dressed up as aliens and then they
pretended. And it's a really good hoax. But I
don't know. So the reason I asked about credibility,
well, two things. One about credibility, also
about John Mack, the pattern I'll point out when
I give my spiel. But credibility, yeah, there
was a lot of people. all saying the same thing,
which does lend weight to it. But again, it's
just human testimony. So as I said, it could
be in some way. I find when there's human visuals
and radar or some other kind of sensor both corroborating
the same event, that seems more compelling to
me. So like the event where UFOs flew over the
White House in 1952 on two consecutive weekends,
there were radar domes on either side of Washington.
tracking these things along with the human eyes.
So for me, that's like, that definitely was a
flying object that everyone was looking at, land
or hover over the white house. Depends on how
many, how many independent points are validating
the hypothesis you're looking at. Back to that
psychologist, I believe he worked at Harvard.
And I went to go interview all the students at
Ariel. Um, you'll see time and time again that
scientists who take this subject seriously, or
at least consider the non prosaic physical, physicalist
hypothesis are often ridiculed by the community.
They have character assassinations throw at them.
So the guy that went and interviewed, the reason
we have all these testimonies from these children,
um, he was lambasted when he came back to the
States. Like he, people are asking to have him
fired. You shouldn't be taking this subject seriously.
And it wasn't until there was a campaign to say,
like, hey, let this guy do science, that he was
reinstated and had his medical license given
back. What's up with that? Why can't we consider
all the hypotheses? That's what science does.
You're right. We should consider all the hypotheses,
every single one. I agree with you. I guess the
question would be, why doesn't the scientific
community create a field of I don't know, extraterrestrial
or like UFO study. Does it not exist? It started.
There was the conference. There's one that takes
it seriously, you know, like it exists but in
the realm of like ghost hunting. And it's informal.
It's kind of like chiropractic. Isn't like the
set tea. Maybe there'll be some listeners who
will be like, how dare you. Isn't the, like,
SETI satellite array specifically designed just
to find extraterrestrials? But he's compromised.
It's compromised. Oh, no. Why? So, they will
not comment on any corroborated event. They're
still under the impression that everything's
explainable by humans just misattributing planets.
Oh, you just saw Venus. Yeah, Venus is flying
through the sky at supersonic speed. Sure. Uh,
like they, they give the same bullshit explanations
that anyone who like Mick West uses to just hand
wave away everything as human psychological issues.
It's not, none of it's real. It's all a trick
of the mind. Right. If you're searching for extraterrestrial
intelligence, look here, we have plenty of evidence
to troll through. So there's groups called like
MUFON. MUFON's an old one. They've been around
for a long time. Um, but now, nowadays for the
past three years, uh, there's a, an annual conference
called the Seoul conference. Uh, they met at
Stanford. You see like Abby Logue and, uh, military,
top military officials, top university professors
all meeting and discussing how can we actually
approach this from a scientific standpoint? So
the ball's rolling. Um, the conference is still
meeting every year. Uh, people are actually doing
science, um, NASA just had a really interesting
podcast. They have a, they fund a podcast where
private industry workers can come in and talk
about how their space related field is doing
like the state of the art. And one of their most
recent podcasts was people who work in the UFO
space, but from a private industry standpoint.
So they're the ones that are reverse engineering
tech and doing stuff with it. Definitely check
out episode 69 of the Future Economic Forecast
podcast by NASA. I have to name exactly. But
it's interesting because it's now getting so
commonplace to talk about these things and now
people who legitimately their job is to reverse
engineer these craft in private industry are
just speaking openly about it. Like, yeah, this
is what I do. Thoughts, Ruby? I don't know enough,
but I like it. Like, I'm definitely, like, I
love, I love this kind of stuff. And I believe,
unlike you, I lean towards UFOs and not towards
cryptids, even though the non -existence of cryptids
makes me sad. I know you're going to bring that
up. It's still fresh. Man, the Markman's real!
I love cryptids too. Um, Ryan, what's your, what,
what are your thoughts on cryptids? Real or not?
I mean, it is compelling the fact that there's
the same mythos on both sides of America's of
some hairy, very tall beast walking around. There
was a, the name escapes me, but there was a town
back when, during the gold rush when people were
rushing over here to the West side. There was
a town in the panhandle of Alaska right near
the Canadian border, um, that everyone, the whole
town got abandoned because apparently there was
a giant hairy man that was killing, killing them
off one by one. Anyone who ran into - That's
fantastic. Yeah. The whole, enough people, they
even sent the military to try and figure it out.
But eventually the military fled and the town
was abandoned because it's like, no, this ain't
working. What are the chances that that big hairy
anthropomorphic man thing is a UFO? What? Zero.
Because UFOs are unidentified flying objects.
An alien is my point. Comes from a UFO that crashed
long ago. See, that's an interesting question
because aliens in pop culture are not big hairy
things. They are, if anything, hairless. And
we make an association between like the thing
that is primitive and inhuman or like unevolved
as being like a hairy beast. But aliens, you
know, the little green men, grays, whatever you
want to call, are effectively hairless. And it
represents... you know, something from the future
or something more evolved. And I think that's
a really interesting point for why cryptids are
not really real and maybe aliens are not really
real, not the aliens as we know them because
they are they are explanations or mirrors for
our like fears or anxieties or curiosities of
Human nature or being human, you know, like what
what does the Yeti represent? really who is the
Group that believes in the story of the you know,
let's say the Yeti. I mean Like Ryan said the
Yetis from all over the world. There's stories
of the Yeti in most cultures I think you know
in Native Americans. It's the Wendigo in China
It's the Yiren, which is a wild man in the Americas.
It's Sasquatch. Sam Squatch in the Yetis also,
you know, in the Himalayas. So, I mean, we, I
think Native American lore, let's say, and like
the Wendigo is a good example of a legend that,
you know, expresses a culture's... Kind of anxieties
about something not that the Yetis particularly
real not that any of them are real But I think
really that's that's the thing behind it. I mean,
okay, I don't I don't refuse to believe that
there is not life beyond Earth, but I Don't think
if there is life beyond Earth they care to come
and interact because if there's also another
kind of like what's Ryan you probably know this
there's some kind of hypothesis or theory about
if aliens existed or exist and if they come to
Earth or the reason why they won't come to Earth
because if they come and interact with us it
will be like inevitable death and destruction
like they'll have to kill us because they don't
want because we'll be a potential threat They
have no choice. Dark Forest Hypothesis. The Dark
Forest, that's what it is. Yes, the Dark Forest
Hypothesis, yes. Three body problems. Fascinating
count. Yeah. Was that created by the three -body
problem that was made up in the three -body problem?
Nice to address it. Yeah, people apply game theory
to everything. Yeah, the best idea is to just
never... Put your voice out there in the space.
It's like, too late, we're already sending signals.
Right, okay. So, yeah, let me explain for the
audience real quick. So, the dark force hypothesis
is a theory from, or something made up, I guess,
that tries to explain something called... I have
the answer to this. It's a proposed solution
to the Fermi paradox. What is the Fermi paradox,
though? What's the Fermi paradox, please? The
Fermi paradox is the question of why we haven't
heard from any alien civilizations despite the
vastness of the universe. Exactly, like theoretically
the universe is filled with life, statistically
it is. Yeah, and the Dark Forest hypothesis comes
from the novel, the science fiction novel written
by Chinese author Liu, oh just like Ruby Wright,
Liu Cixin. from who wrote the book, The Three
-Body Problem, or the trilogy Three -Body Problem.
And it means that, or rather, he compares the
universe to a dark forest in that every civilization
is a silent hunter in the forest. So we're all,
you know, ready to kill. Forest is dark because
nobody knows who else is what out there. No one
knows who or what is. out there, and like, that's
like the universe. We don't know what's out there,
but we assume something's out there. And, or,
that everybody's hiding from each other, because
if we make noise, we could attract attention
from others who might destroy us. That would
be the most scary first contact signal, is, be
quiet, they're out there. Yeah. You got to be
too loud. Yeah. Be quiet, shut the fuck up. Well,
yeah. We are too close to you for comfort. You
need to be quiet. I think it's more likely, I
want to believe that it's more likely that they
have basically a non -interference clause. If
they are spacefaring, they allow us to evolve
just like in Star Trek. And the reason I think
that we have this dark forest hypothesis is because
it's a reflection on human history. Because everywhere
we colonize, we rape and pillage. And the second
one is fear is just hardwired programmed into
our system, and it's just way louder than compassion.
But compassion... tends to win the day in the
end. I really hope that's where we go. It's a
nice sentiment. It's not going to as well. But
I believe the reason we haven't heard from anyone
yet is because we have and the public's not allowed
to know it. So there's a long history of leaks.
It's like the worst kept secret in human history.
Yes, aliens have contacted us already and every
time anyone talks about you, you're like, oh,
call us to that guy. Don't be like John Mack
and interview these people. Don't even take it
seriously. Relax, guy, relax. No, take it seriously.
Just consider it. I'm not saying it's 100 % true,
but consider it. You'll be amazed at how many
times and in so many different ways this secret
has leaked. Well, maybe that's what makes the
Fermi paradox more believable because It's being
kept hidden because maybe governments don't want
the attention. Because maybe governments think,
if someone contacted us from far away, then clearly
their technology is better than ours, and therefore
they are more of a danger. Yeah, any any spacecraft
that could get to our solar system would be a
weapon in and of itself that's capable of killing
us like that kind of rocket The kind of energy
required to move whatever that is here and stop
insane Equal amount just You're looking at like
what a Dyson sphere level power Hopefully they
stop somewhere away from Earth and not like just
land. I remember hearing some prototypes of how
we could get to the nearest star and they were
talking about, yeah, but like everything within
like a one AU bubble around where we stop would
pretty much be destroyed. So we should stop far
away from any planet we want to look at. What
do you think is the, in your opinion, what Let's
talk about the Alcubierre Drive. And what is
the closest thing we have to FTL capabilities,
like, hypothetically? Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
You're using too much fancy words. You have to
tell everyone what this means. Like, what is
the... What did you say, Ruby? The what drive?
The Alcubierre Drive is very interesting. Okay,
what is that? So there are two drives hypothesized
now that could in theory get us up to like or
close to light speed. The one, I don't know what
it's called, but it's like a closed system and
it's basically kind of perpetual in terms of
energy because it uses electrons within itself
to somehow overcome Newton's What is it Newton's
first law? For every action, there is an equal
and opposite reaction. So something can't push
itself forward without expelling something, right?
Sorry? And then say Alcubierre drive. I mentioned
this before to you. It treats time and space
like a travelator treats... people in an airport
or an escalator treats people going up. It shrinks
the space in front of you and stretches it out
behind you. So if you walk on a travelator, you
go relatively, you go much faster, but from your
own perspective, you're traveling the same speed,
right? So with an Alcubierre drive, a ship can
gain any Any amount of forward motion will initiate
this relative speed boost, right? So let's say
hypothetically, I can shrink space in front of
me and stretch it out behind me. I have the energy,
the power to do that. If I am not moving forward,
nothing will happen. I will remain where I am
relative to everything else. But... The moment
I start walking forward at any speed, I will
walk forward at the speed that I am walking forward,
plus the speed at which I am shrinking space
in front of me. Yes. Beautiful explanation. So
to add on to that, that was my understanding
of our best chances of getting to the stars in
an FTL manner, faster than light matter. Up until
about a year ago when I started really diving
into what's being discussed at the Sol conference
and what some of these whistleblowers are saying.
And they've actually like, they're getting into
the nitty gritty of how these UFOs fly. And they're
explaining an effect that's actually been known
for about 70 years called the Bifield -Brown
Effect. I highly recommend anyone look that up,
but basically you have a capacitor. What a capacitor
is, is a positive and a negative terminal. separated
by some space that's an insulator. And as you
charge it up, you get a lot of positive charge
on one side, a lot of negative charge on the
other side, and you have this really strong voltage
that's being blocked from flowing by the insulator.
And all you got to do to get this space shrinking
effect is have an asymmetrical capacitor where
the negative end is much smaller than the positive
end. So you have kind of like a positive encapsulation
of this negative side and charge it up to hundreds
of thousands, millions of volts. And then you
will get warping of space time around that. And
that's the Byfield Brown effect. So you can get
it with just simple electricity, simple, but
high amounts. It's possible. How much electricity?
Like, let's say we get a fusion reactor running.
Can we make enough? I am not a scientist. I do
not know. It's hard to put numbers on this thing,
but I can tell you that. So off the coast of
California, we have the infamous Tic Tac event
where for weeks you're seeing, I mean, this happens
often where craft come from space down to ocean
level in just under one second. So we're talking
really fast, slower than light, but still incredibly
fast and stopping on a dime. Right at sea level.
So they've calculated, there's a paper put out
there that calculates the exact amount of energy
required to make this maneuver. And it's equivalent
to about a day or two of the total energy output
of the United States. So it takes a lot to make
these maneuvers. They have something special
going on at their core. I've heard swirling mercury,
I've heard fusion, I've heard element 115. There's
a couple. a couple of explanations I've heard.
It's hard to parse which one's true, but it's
an amount that we do work with. Okay, so the
TikTok event, TikTok, the TikTok, God, I just
sound like an old person. See, I told you, Ruby,
I'm old. I call it TikTok, but it's TikTok. During
the public hearings, the congressmen were interviewing
the whistleblowers. So at the TikTok event, I'm
like... I should run for Congress. More than
that. I'm going to read what I found in it. Because
I think that's really, listen, the coolness of
that name made me really interested. So in November
2004 off the coast of Southern California, Navy
pilots saw a white smooth object shaped like
a tic tac mint. So oblong. an oblong little white
thing. And it appeared suddenly at 80 ,000 feet,
then dropped to sea level in less than a second,
then hovered with no visible propulsion. So it
just floated there. And then they sent two fighter
jets to go and investigate it. And then all of
a sudden, this thing, like a ping pong ball,
bounced off an invisible wall. So I guess it
went like, and then just disappeared. In 2020,
the Pentagon officially released a video of it.
I saw that. So. 2017. I have not seen it, but
I'm going to check it out because that sounds
pretty cool. On the front page of the New York
Times, 2017. Really? Yep, front page, talking
about the Black Budget Reverse Engineering Program.
As early as 2017. See, when it comes to stuff
like that, like I don't, this. Maybe I mentioned
this before in the last podcast. I don't know.
Or the one, you know, last time Ryan was on.
But I don't think UFOs are not real. I just think
they're not from space. And I think we're looking
at the technology of some other, you know, country
or government trolling some other country or
government. Not a human government, but they're
also not from space. So this tic -tac. When,
when the fighter pilots were flying over it,
they saw that underneath the water was, it looked
like a 747 shaped object that it was hovering
above. There are these underwater objects, they
call them bases, that produce the UFOs and the
UFOs launch and return to these things. There's
about five or six of them, one off the coast
of the Caribbean, one off the coast near Mexico.
Yeah, they're really resistant to being tracked.
They only really resist. release a heat signature
when they're at the surface releasing a UFO.
Um, but this is what some of the whistleblowers
are talking about. Um, one really infamous story
off the coast of Jamaica, we were testing Tomahawk
cruise missiles, a dummy warhead. We're just
seeing the capabilities of these missiles. Um,
and it was a, there was a frog man, basically
a guy who hangs from a rope. They helicopter
him out and collect the missile after it's done
with his test. Um, they dropped this guy down
and he's hooking it onto the missile when suddenly
the water starts getting dark. Big island -sized
dark circle appears at the center of the warhead
and the water starts turning like it's boiling.
And this guy freaks out and starts climbing up
the rope as fast as he can. And then just the
missile goes under water and then the whole thing
disappears. What is it? So the idea is it's the
Kraken beating the venue. No, are you saying,
but, okay, but like, I mean, I hear what you're
saying, but are you also saying, underneath the
water, there's some unknown civilization sending
up UFOs? What congressmen are saying, this is
what whistleblowers are saying, there was a larp
on 4chan, maybe a larp, maybe a fruit seller,
there was like 20 June, we posted a really long...
detail account of what's going on. And that his
last sentence was, you'll keep coming back to
this post as whistleblowers say what's happening.
Cause this will become truer and truer. And it's
true over the last three years. I keep going
back to that post. I'm like, Oh yeah, that got
released. That got released. So at the very least,
this guy knew what the whistleblowers were going
to say. The whistleblowers are lying. He's in
on the lie. If the whistleblowers are telling
on the truth, he is in on the truth. But what
he said on 4chan. has this rung truer and truer
every time something new leaks. And he says there
are these platforms that exist under the ocean
and they're the source of these UFOs we see.
It was a movie about this, wasn't there? I mean,
these platforms could exist, but who do they
belong to is the bigger question. How how can
the world not know how can you know, I don't
know Let's say the u .s. How can how can you
not find out? What's under the water already?
Is there another country who's more technologically
advanced? You hear so many people say oh the
ocean's not been mapped. We've only mapped 30
% of the ocean Yeah, fair enough. Don't think
satellites bi -tech that we're not even allowed
to know about circling the earth and we haven't
mapped That just sounds like such huge conspiracy
though. We have submarines with patrolling every
corner of the ocean constantly in case we want
to nuke somebody. We haven't mapped the ocean.
We haven't mapped the ocean, okay, fair enough.
But if one country, one government has some secret
base in the ocean, how could they? not be so
technologically advanced or more technologically
advanced than other nations. How could you not
see or suspect that if there's some kind of secret
base or whatever under the ocean, oh, it must
belong to this country because they're the most
advanced. I just don't see that kind of, I can't
see with all of the countries in the world fighting
for whatever resources. not being able to, you
know, sniff out that there's some kind of secret
base under the ocean. It's been here. It's been
here. It's like Illuminati -level stuff. 1897
Aurora, Texas incident. We already had a UFO
crash into a church and the newspapers reported
some stellar astronaut that they recovered. This
is 1897. Did I say 19? 1897. He said, yeah. Wait,
what is it called? Tell me again. What's it called?
I'm gonna look it up. Aurora Texas UFO. Whatever,
we'll find it. Very well known. Let's check out
the newspaper, something on Wikipedia. April
17th, 1897, you're right. 50 years before the
Roswell incident. Okay. Cigar -shaped airship.
The country would have that technology back in
the 1800s. Yeah, I mean there's actually a series
of papers coming out there one just came out
last week that was looking at astronomy plate
from the early 1900s to like 1940 before Sputnik
basically and they found that Earth had satellites
before Sputnik And so it's been they're working
really hard to classify What are these things
they found? Yes, they exhibit a shadow first
shadow goes over them. So they're definitely
not stars They're definitely objects going around
Earth, and then they're looking at correlations.
When do these objects appear and disappear? They're
heavily correlated when there's nuclear tests,
heavily correlated with some of the events like
the Washington, T .C. UFO event. These things
appear and disappear, but they're definitely
orbiting Earth. The Earth had satellites before
space. That is confusing. What are we? Yeah.
Fair. I go the other way. I think when these
things happen in history, you know, we have to
question where they're happening and who they're
happening to. And, you know, obviously, well,
we could say when they're happening. But like,
is it possible that whatever this town was, what,
back in the day, how well known was this town?
How big was it? And, you know, were there motivations
of this town to draw attention to it. We cut
for whatever reason. Maybe it was failing and
they wanted attention for whatever reason. So
they created this big story so everyone would
come and see. Maybe it was a dying town. It's
possible because they were slated to have a train
stop there, one of the intercontinental railroad
train stops and then that got cancelled. So they
were really expecting a boom when they got a
bus around that. So that has been one explanation
of why they would do that. But then again, where
did they get the story? Why was the idea of flying
saucers or dirgeables existing back then? How
famous were, like, how popular were UFOs in,
like, the American zeitgeist, I guess, at the
time? Was it a big part of popular culture? UFO
sightings. That was right around the airship
wave time. Apparently there were dirgeables flying
everywhere around the United States for about
10 years leading up to that event. Okay. Well,
there you go. That's something. Talk to my grandma
about it. She said back in the 30s, she saw some
saucers flying around New York. Have we talked
about our experiences with flying saucers? Did
we talk about that in the last one? Have you
had experience? Nope. Yeah, I actually do. I
still don't believe it in like, I can say I remember
an experience of when I was young. I know. Me
of all people. But I do remember one and I don't
you know I don't know if this is it now that
I the more I think about it the more I think
was I dreaming because I haven't I haven't Spoken
about it for so long or remembered it, but I
can say when I was young Like really young maybe
Between 10 and 12 years old in my neighborhood
my friend and I we went outside one day and This
is the mid -afternoon in the summertime. We went
outside and we had left his house and we just
looked up in the sky and we saw, imagine three
triangles joined together. No, it would be four
triangles. So there's the head and the body and
then the two triangles to the side. The way it
moved was it was in the sky and it was gray and
it was like bending and swerving. And it looked
mechanical to us, and we were fascinated by it.
We were like, whoa, what's that in the sky? Look
at it, wow, amazing. Now, we saw that, and then
we went in to go tell his mother, and then we
went back outside and it was gone. Now, that's
what I remember from my childhood. Now, I don't
remember, but what I don't remember is, was it
a dream? I don't remember it being a dream, but
I do remember the experience. So that was the
one experience I had in my life with a UFO. I
don't think it was a dream. But for some reason,
the older I get and the more I remember it, I
think it seems really absurd. So it must have
been a dream when I was a kid, but it's so vivid.
The only way I would remember, the only way I
could verify it is if I spoke to that friend,
but I have no idea where he is in the world.
You got men in black flashed. That's what happened.
Yeah, maybe. But I do remember that. I still,
I'm like, you know, that's my childhood neighborhood.
I still, when I go back home, you know, that's
where my mom lives. So I know the exact house.
I could stand in the exact same spot and look
in the exact same direction. That's how well
I remember it. So that's why I don't suspect
it was a dream. And then I suspect it was a real
experience. But still, I don't know. What was
it? Hard to say. A very strange shaped thing.
Yeah, it was hard to say. It really, it's a very
blurry line between UFOs and crystals. Like if
you look at Kinwalker Ranch, facing UFOs all
the time, but they also see people walking around.
So it comes in a very broad spectrum of observables.
And only now have we begun to actually classify
them. There's a group. private company called
sky watchers that, um, has been trying to group
them based on category, like the five, the four,
five observables, no sound, instantaneous acceleration,
bright lights, forget the other ones. Oh, ability
to cloak, I think was one. But yeah, there's
like nine, 10 categories, um, based on shapes.
So you got the triangular shaped ones. Triangles
seem to be really common. I always liken it to
a. Three points of contact is the most stable.
You can't balance on two or one. But once you
have three points, you're able to balance. Seems
to be the simplest, ideal way of moving. I hope
it was real, Luigi, because you'll finally be
able to... I am a believer. I believe in UFOs.
I just don't think aliens from other countries
have come to visit us. Not other countries, Luigi,
other planets. Oh, did I say other countries?
Yeah. Are you an alien? Well, yeah, other planets.
You think planets are... This is why you're just
trying to perpetuate the... Watch a little Star
Trek, where the future is very civilized. Who
watches more Star Trek? You do, Ruby. You nerd.
Ruby, do you have any UFO experiences? None.
But that's because I already believe. I don't
need to be convinced, I'm sure. So you're saying
because you believe, you don't need to be convinced.
It's not about that. It's just about experiencing
something. I'm not trying to convince myself.
Yeah, that's not how belief works right now,
of course. Now, I wish I have seen UFOs, but
I have not seen a UFO. I think I'm always looking
at my phone. That's the problem. They're all
around me. Yeah, UFO sightings are fewer and
fewer nowadays. Yeah, why? I don't believe we
finally saw something unidentified last year.
Right in the middle of the New Jersey drones.
Did you guys hear about the New Jersey drone
incident? No? No. Explain. November last year
till about January last year was when the Everyone
was going crazy. But basically there are these
objects coming out of the ocean, flying over
homes in New Jersey, United States, and flying
back into the ocean. But sometimes they'd go
land on airports. They'd fly over military bases
and everyone's complaining like, why aren't we
doing anything? What are these things? FAA said
we have no idea what they are. The government
at the time said they're probably some foreign
actor, but we can't confirm that. And we just...
allowed them to land at airports, shut down the
airports and they just could go over our military
bases. We wouldn't attack them. So like we wanted
an explanation. Trump said, Oh, for sure. When
I get in in January, February, I'll tell you
what it is. And then he came in and said, Oh,
they're all just drones. Don't worry about it.
Um, and meanwhile, ever since then the drones
have never stopped. They're still flying over
New Jersey. And I was up just north of New Jersey
at the time. And I saw. Um, from the, I mean,
I'm kind of looking up at the sky at night, but
I see an orange streak go from the top of my
vision all the way down to ground level, um,
over about a second. I don't know what it was,
but it wasn't fiery. It was just a nice orange
homogenous line. It was very linear, very fast,
hard to, hard to give a prosaic explanation to
it. But like, meanwhile, these drones. Maybe
you've heard about the drones over in Europe
right now? You hear about those guys? So over
the last two weeks, there have been drones flying
out of the ocean again onto airports in Denmark,
France, Germany, Netherlands, Amsterdam. I'm
missing another country. There's Latvia, Latvia.
Again, we're having these drones fly out of the
ocean, land on airports, shutting down the airports.
Lights get delayed. People take pictures. I saw
one picture from the UK. It looks like just an
orb hovering about a few feet off the runway,
just sitting there. Just menacingly. But the
Danish authorities originally said they're drones
and then retracted that statement. And so you
can watch an interview live. They said they're
just observers. That's what they are. They originally
blamed Russia, but Russia's Putin got on is like,
okay, I'll stop sending the UFOs Yeah, it's not
Russia We're getting saying their drones like
that. Don't worry. There's some hobbyists flying
over airport. We're not gonna attack them We'll
let them fly back into the ocean It's happening
all around the world and people don't get to
hear about they're here. They're interacting
with us We just don't get to hear about it. We
pay attention to the news and then you can tell
us what to think. Here's what I think. Now, I
take a more pragmatic approach. Governments are
saying, oh, they're just drones. But I think
the government's doing that because they want
to avoid panic. So there's a good possibility,
not that they're visitors from another planet,
but that they are. you know, technology sent
to do whatever, spy on other countries, you know,
practice some kind of military whatever. And
governments know this, but they know if they
tell people, it'll cause a whole bunch of other
problems. So, I mean, you know, when you're in
the government, what do you want to do? Do you
want your citizenry to panic, or do you want
to make up a lie? to keep them calm. Because
if you can... Well, it sounds like a more reasonable
conspiracy. Even like the drones in... Was it
New Jersey? Was that it? Was that what you said,
New Jersey? Trying to check my notes. Anyway,
the point is, it's the same sentiment. Like,
there's this technology that is from an enemy.
They don't want the country to know. Because
then what happens? It'll just cause panic. Uh
-oh, what happened? Am I cut off? Are you guys
hearing me? No, no, no. I'm trying to think about
how to respond. Where is Ryan? It's more believable.
He's stuck. He's been abducted! He's gone! Oh,
no! I figure he's... They took him away. They
said, they said, Ryan, you know the secret. I
hope we didn't lose his. Oh, there we go. You're
back. Ah, they couldn't stand him. I just got
completely removed and it said upload complete.
It's the government. It said upload complete,
did it? Yeah. Okay, good. I didn't push any buttons.
It just said, all right, he's broken enough.
We don't want to let them know. You've been on
99 competition rates all the way, so that's good.
That's why we have a government, to ensure social
stability, so that would be their job. It still
doesn't explain why we don't attack them for
flying over our military bases. If it's Russia,
then we should be defending ourselves. If it's
ours, why the hell are we shutting down our own
airports? We're just causing panic. Because it's
kind of like, I mean, governments are good at
playing dumb to other governments. They don't
want them to let on, so, you know, they'll play
stupid. They have to be more cunning. I find
that's usually how people, or rather, espionage
works. So, yes, it's happening to most of Europe
and the United States, so you could point the
finger at Russia, but that doesn't explain why
we're not attacking them. Well, I think... Okay,
so... There could be governments, but I think
maybe in that instance, it could also be just
like a bunch of people with drones. They're coming
out of the ocean. You can see them coming out
of the ocean. How do we know they're coming out
of the ocean? Nobody sees them come out of the
ocean. They might like look. So we have a lot
of, a lot of your photos have been seen along
the east coast too. Okay. They literally see
them come out of the water. They come out of
the water, go fly over airports. They like airports
or something. And then go back into the water.
Then in that place in that case, I do believe
it is like other governments testing their military
technology Don't you think it's it's a better
don't you think it's a better idea for governments
to say yeah Let's make them believe that we're
dumb enough to think they're UFOs and then they're
good and then our enemies are gonna think they've
got You know the advantage That's another angle
that aliens did visit us in the past, but now
they're just being used by government to explain
their tech. Aliens don't really want anything
to do with the same work. Here's what I think.
Again, yes, life does exist outside in space,
but in the past, UFOs or whatever had to do with
places wanting to grab attention for whatever
reason, and then it became... people wanting
to grab attention for whatever reason, because
they're bored maybe, and then the possibility
of governments wanting to have a, you know, one
-up on other governments testing military technology.
That's what I think. But. There's probably a
lot of all of those, right? It would be advantageous
for a government to utilize the fact that aliens
exist. or their own cover. So yeah, the answer
is probably all of you. So how about 3i Atlas?
Have you ever heard of 3i Atlas? No. 3i Atlas,
comet flying through our solar system right now,
interstellar. Is there an interstellar comet
flying through our solar system right now? I'm
not sure. Third interstellar object that we've
ever detected, supposedly. It's interesting.
I say comet, but like as a scientist, we deal
with uncertainty. We lay all the hypotheses on
the table and we assign percentages to each of
them. So we see an object flying in space. 99
.999 % chance it's a comet or an asteroid because
that's what the rest of the objects we observe
are. But then as we collect more data, we refine
our percentages and this comet really weird.
It's displaying none of the properties that comets
normally display. For example, it's interstellar.
So we've only seen three objects ever enter our
solar system from outside of our solar system.
It's entering at a really interesting angle because
you got your solar system. I'm going to draw
it this way. We're all orbiting the sun at the
center. But we travel this way through this way,
through the Milky Way. So the object actually
entered from the center to our planetary orbit.
So it's like it's got shot straight from the
center of the Milky Way to our solar system instead
of being in the path of us flying. Wow, that's
very interesting. Somehow, not only did it have
this really interesting path, But it also has
the perfect path to pass, pass by three of our
planets. So it passed by Mars already. It's going
to pass by Jupiter. It's also going to pass.
Oh no, shoot. Keep talking. It's okay. And it's
going to pass by, you know, so it seems to be
on a cruise, a tour of the solar system. Really
low, really low probability that an object from
outside of our solar system happens to be in
a path. that's within our orbital plane, basically,
so that it can actually check out our planets
by flyby. So that's another interesting thing.
You've probably seen comets with tails as the
sun, as something flies past the sun, you'll
have a tail pointed away from the sun at all
times, because the solar waves are blasting stuff
off of the comet. for some reason Comet and keep
calling it Comet because it's still probably
a comet. Had a tail pointed at the Sun. So it's
as though a flag is billowing into the wind instead
of with the wind. There's no wind in space. There's
solar wind. The Sun is constantly shutting stuff
off. So that's blasting stuff off the comet and
making a tail. But this thing has an even bigger
anti -tail. It starts just flying off of it towards
the sun. How is it injecting stuff like that
against the wind? I don't know, but it just recently
stopped doing that. It's right now just flying
behind the sun out of our view. And of course
that's right when the government shutdown is
happening. So we're not getting any data from
NASA or ESA. Really graining pictures. Apparently
Congress Got an emergency update about this when
it was first discovered. I don't know why they
had to have a meeting about a comment with the
Congress. Um, but there's other properties that
make this comment. Interesting for one is green.
It's glowing bright green. Uh, normally when
we look out and say, um, if you've seen some
metals, they're always mixed, right? You don't,
you don't see like one metal and not others.
Um, in particular iron and nickel are always.
Together because they're the two most stable
atoms on the periodic table. Yeah, you're any
nickel. Yep. Yeah The furthest from radioactive
decay they are stable gonna last there until
the end of time basically And when when iron
is made nickels also made like they're made in
about equal proportion So when you see iron you
see nickel you look at a star and it's got iron
in it It also has nickel you look at a comment
has iron. It also has nickel This comet has just
nickel. Refined nickel, with very little iron.
Here's a question. You were saying the ejection,
it was doing an ejection plume? And it's got
tail. So the tail was the wrong way around, like
it was slowing down? It's got a normal comet
tail and it's got one that's pointed towards
the sun, which just disappeared a couple days
ago. Because if the plume is against the wind,
the only thing that it can mean is that the comet
is... Well, the most logical thing that it can
mean is that the comet is slowing down, that
it's an ejection plume for a reverse thrust.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It's very possible.
It is possible. Again, if it's a comet, we don't
have any explanation for this. All I hear is
going around on the internet is, oh, well, it's
an interstellar comet. So we really don't know
how other rocks behave. We only know how our
rocks behave. I mean, it's pretty cool if it's
an interstellar comet. Interstellar things sound
pretty cool. We have another object in our solar
system, don't we? The like black floating...
Well, there's one, again, we had a Harvard professor
who's going against the grain, Avi Lo, and releasing
a lot of information about it. He's studying
intently, and like a true scientist, keeping
all the hypotheses on the table, he's saying
it's pretty likely to be a comet, but there's
a non -zero chance of some mailing in the press.
Now let's look at all the hypotheses and see
what the data shows, which ones get supported
more or less. And he's getting character assassinated
left and right. We want him fired. It's the same
thing that happened to John Mapp. If you are
a scientist and even consider that Ewing might
exist, you need to be fired, removed, and disregarded.
I see people online saying, don't read his book,
don't say anything, don't consider data. That
is wrong thinking. You are wrong thinking if
you think they're good. Well, I can understand
that because I see where they're coming from.
Because if there's no like, what's the word?
If there's no real like, I don't know, faculty
of study for these things, you have this person
who is going out on their own and doing this
research and then publishing without other peers
to scrutinize it, then you do risk a lot of misinformation.
and even disinformation. So I can understand
why they'd be like, no, don't believe them, get
out of here. We're not ready to make that a field.
Like that is his job. He looks at objects in
our solar system and classifies them. He's a
comet and asteroid researcher. So his papers
lay down, what is it? What are the characteristics?
And he says it's most likely a comet. But he
also says like, this is very interesting displays.
And if it were a craft, this is how the data
would fit that hypothesis. And so it's what we
should be doing. It's, it's now that we have
these whistleblowers coming out, we should be
stepping back, looking at things holistically,
like, okay, if these whistleblowers are what
they're saying is true and aliens are real, how
does that support this hypothesis too? Like holistically,
how does all of this data come together? It's
not just, oh, we have a, we have this object
in space. Let's just look at it in isolation.
No, there's, there's a lot of. lines of evidence
all pointing to this hypothesis that we are not
alone. And so now just five days ago, NASA quietly
pushed the international asteroid protection.
I forgot the acronym, but basically it's a worldwide
group of astronomers that if there's ever an
object that has a chance of hitting Earth. They
are somebody can sound the alarm and I'll tell
it goes pointed at it Now mind you this object
3i Atlas is not going to come anywhere near earth.
It's going to fly right now Behind the Sun, so
we're just losing sight of it It's going to come
back out the other side of the Sun mid November
and we'll we'll get our closest point right on
December the winter solstice But for some reason
NASA pushed this alarm say, hey, there's a chance
this thing might hit Earth, which is... Yeah,
it's got a lot of people confused. Why would
they put this call out a couple of days ago?
I feel like there's always a comment about to
hit Earth. But it shouldn't. Unless it was doing
some kind of course correction, it shouldn't
come anywhere near Earth. But people are saying
there's a course correction happening. Now that
it's getting close to the sun, it's doing a slingshot
maneuver. This is when you could change course
for the least amount of energy. And then it's
going to wrap around and swing towards us is
what people are saying. Now, of course, that
could just be misinformation. Don't know. Um,
this is hot off the presses, but this is what
people are talking about the last few days. Well,
I didn't ask to push the button and Avi Loeb
is looking into whether it's a... Fair enough.
I mean... Keep your eyes out. But also recognize
there's a lot of fake news around it. There's
a lot of fake news around it. So many AIs. Video
thing like that is the god flying for the very
interesting I think I think we we've I think
we should move on because I'm interested in panpsychism
Is that what it is? Yeah. All right Let's do
it So philosophically, it really comes down to
where you believe the observer is as a conscious
person who experiences qualia, right? You see
the redness of red, you smell the redness of
bread. There's like the senses that you experience,
but then there's also the what it is like to
experience them. And so there's, there's camps,
there's three main camps. There's a physical,
which says it's all just. how atoms react, right?
Everything can be explained with the physical
faculty and physics that we know. Um, then there's
the dualists who say, yes, there's all these
physical atoms doing things, but then there's
also this observer that's non -physical and you
have to somehow explain how the non -physical
can interact with physical. Um, and then there's
the idealists, which say that - That's the concept
of the soul, right? The dualist would be the
soul. There's a couple, couple camps within that,
whether the soul just observes or where the soul
can actually interact. But if you're interacting,
doesn't that make you physical? Like there's,
there's problems with dualism, um, as a framework.
Uh, but there's also problems with physicalism
as a framework. Like how do we see redness? Do
we all see the same redness and stuff like that?
And then lastly, there's idealism, which is a
smaller camp, but still compelling, which is
there, there is no physical world. It's all in
our mind. We're all just like one. Right. Yeah.
Panpsychism says that, um, you know, wherever
camp you are in this, this thing that observes
this, the mechanisms that allow for observation
and experience stem from the most basal interaction.
Like even, even atoms are, are consciously aware
in some minuscule. very simplest faculty ability.
So basically I'm somewhere a little bit above
atoms, like sure you could believe atoms are
real, but at least like cells, like a bacteria
or a human cell, at least those experience some
form of intelligence. And so they must somehow
be able to process what they sense and create.
There's another explanation. Another explanation.
Yeah. Oh, what if the observer is a player and
this is a simulation? I could see that too. Um,
the simulation theory is quite compelling. You
can look at it from statistically, or you can
look at it from what the physics is telling us.
It does seem like reality follows an optimization
protocol called the principle of stationary action.
The universe is always finding the most efficient
path forward, seems like it's trying to conserve
energy. Yeah. Just in terms of like, for the
listeners and viewers, the observer would be
in this discussion, the consciousness, right?
The fact that we are, that we have a sense of
being, that is the observer. We know what it
is like to be us. And then we engage in solipsism
where yeah, I know I am an observer. I think
therefore I am and you guys look like me. So
I think, I believe you guys are also conscious
as well. That's just faith for sure. Well, well
justified faith. You guys seem to react the way
I react. So it seems like we have the same things
going on internally. But still that is a belief.
It could be that I'm the only conscious being
in the universe. It could be that we're all.
one consciousness seen through multiple eyes.
There's different ways to cut that down. One
very interesting aspect of it is that we aren't
just one being, right? Like, foot brain patients,
they used to, oh, they still do actually. If
you have really, really intense seizures, one
treatment for it is to cut your brain right down
the middle. There really is only one little area
right in the center where wires from each side
meet. Um, called the corcus callosum. They'll
just cut that, separate the two hemispheres.
Um, and you'll be more or less fine, but now
you're two beams in one body. So your left side
controls all of your right muscles. Your right
side controls your left muscles. Um, you, you
process and form sentences in your left side.
So you can do some pretty interesting experiments
like cover the left eye, show an object to the
right eye and have them try and describe it.
Um, and you can't because there's no cross hemisphere
communication. So the left side will just make
it up. Right. Yeah. I've heard of that. You also
see things like the left hand will like grab
an ice cream cone, but the right hand says, Oh,
I don't want to use the ice cream. You know,
like slap the left hand. Like there's two beings
and they don't always agree now that they're
not synchronized with each other. Um, but you
see this in even more like if I were to donate.
my heart to somebody, they have a 70 % chance
of gaining my temperament as well. So like my
overall emotional states and response patterns
get donated with my heart. That seems to be a
local thing to the organ. We are dealing a gentle
form, right? We are one agent because we're harmonized,
but we are made of a bunch of sub -agents. Each
of our cells is its own being. If you were to
take trachea cells from the human throat, they
have little cilia, like little hair -like projections
and together they all beat in unison to like,
help you swallow or help clear stuff from your
lungs. Um, but if you take one out, one cell
and put it in a Petri dish, it'll start crawling
around with the cilia. Like it's its own little
being hunting, um, trying to reproduce, uh, living
out its own life. And it was recently shown that.
When, when a mammal dies and some other species,
when, when they die, these cells just crawl out
and go and live and do their own thing independently.
Like we don't fully die. Most of us dies when,
when we're dead. But some of our cells, cells
that are able to crawl around and hunt, um, just
say, oh, okay, I guess that ship sailed. I'm
going to go do my own thing. And they just go
off into the environment to live. We, we, we
take for granted that. We're one unified being,
but we're not always harmonized. That's wild
to me. They're called anthrobots. There's the
word for an anthrobot and there's also the xenobot,
which we're taking from frogs, I believe. Um,
but we're showing that, yeah, these cells, that
the coordination that we have that unifies us
into one agent isn't the end all be all of being.
We are. uh, more of a democracy, right? You might,
you might be an alcoholic and you... You really
want alcohol. It's part of you saying, like,
that gut feeling saying, no, I shouldn't drink.
And so now you have some cells fighting against
other cells saying, what should this main agent
do? So, so it's our, it's, it's, it's not our
thoughts or our logic or our reason. It's just
the cells and a feeling? Logic and reason up
here. That's like the main captain of the ship.
You have that gut feeling that could also be
building. Yeah, your gut feeling I get, yeah.
And that's a lot of the others still screaming
out what they want. But we're seeing now with
the gut microbiome just how important the bacteria
is towards our overall anxiety, our feelings
of safety, how serious they are. You want to
have harmony with them as well. We're all just
one. pouring together down here. Okay, I have
a little side question for that, I guess, is
these cells aren't really screaming out. So what
are the cells doing that are making you have
those feelings? I know exactly what you're talking
about because today, I hate to admit it, I was
out with my friend and he wanted to go out for
a drink. I didn't want to go out for a drink.
And in my body, I felt like, ugh, I know what
that's going to feel like. I don't want to do
it. And yet, when I was my friend, I still did
it. But I knew the feeling. Is that just memory
recounting what it feels like to drink alcohol
and the bad experience? Or is it my cells? And
if it's my cells, what are the cells doing exactly
that makes me feel that way? What are they producing?
That's a very good question. Each cell is able
to form its own model of the world. It can relate
things, its senses. with expectations of what's
going to happen. So it starts sensing your intention
to drink and it has a model of, well, when alcohol
comes in, this is what happens to my homeostasis.
I get slapped around, I get damaged. I vote no.
And so there's ways it can vote no, it can release
stress hormones. One very, very big pathway is
the vagus nerve, which connects your gut to your
brain. The, the bulk of your serotonin is actually
manufactured down there. It's still not shown
exactly how much of that serotonin makes its
way to the brain. Um, but it is a feeling of
safety and a feeling of comfort. And when you
don't get that, you kind of get that anxiety
feeling. Um, it's yeah. Stress response, cortisol,
serotonin, vagus stimulation. There's a lot of
ways that the gut brain axis allows two way communication.
Right. So like your brain is about five pounds.
Was that like two kilograms for you metric system
people? But if you were to take all the bacteria,
like scrape it out of your intestines and weigh
it, it's about the same weight as the brain.
You got about two kilograms of bacteria. That's
wild. They're voting too. Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah. Where does UN and other environment begins?
Is that bacteria inside you? the environment,
is that you? The bacteria on my kids, right?
But inside me? Yeah. Inside me, I think, like
when I think of your, let's say your microbiome,
I think those are just like little critters not
related to you that you have to feed so they
don't cause you stomach upset. But I know that
it can't be, you're right, there's got to be
a deeper connection because if they affect your
mood, how connected are they to like your emotions?
Because you still recognize them as like being
separate beings, like how can they have that
kind of influence? That's insane. It's like some
weird hive mind kind of stuff. Yeah, and what
are cells? Because cells operate independently
within, in your blood, your blood cells, right?
Or your immune system. It operates as an independent
system from, from you. It doesn't, what prompts
your, obviously your immune system has a response
to like what is not. It's like this independent
police state, right? Or in your, um, within your
blood. But why, why does it do that? And, and
why do they die when you die? Or is it that?
When they die, it's not that you die, it's that
they die. You only, you're so, like, your ego's
so big that you think it's you, but it's really
not. Calling me a narcissist? It's yourselves.
No, I'm just, let's be in general to that question
because why don't they go on living after you're
dead? So really, it's like they are the ones
in charge, but they've convinced, but you, your
perception is... You are the one experiencing
all this. You are in control, but maybe not.
It's all these things acting. A lot of them are
anoxic, so they can't, like, read your body,
even though they'll hit oxygen and die immediately.
They had a good thing going by living inside
you, but unfortunately, when we pass, they kind
of go to... But that doesn't just say they don't
live on through progeny, right? Like, you want...
When a mother gives vaginal birth... the baby
gets coated in her bacteria. And it's been shown
that this is a very important step to prevent
like immune problems later down the line. So
these bacteria do have a way of continuing as
well, at least part of them being passed from
mother to child down the line. You did think
of a really interesting study looking at what
happens when deaths occur. There seems to be...
a certain ensemble of bacteria that don't normally
live in us, or at least not in any appreciable
amount. But no matter where you are on earth,
this same group of bacteria takes over and rots
you, decays you down. So even though they're
not native all around the world, at least we
haven't ruled that out. To me that makes perfect
sense to me. As far as I'm concerned, that's
bacteria's job is to like... eat things and break
them down. Yeah, but where do they come from?
If they're not native, why do they take over
when you die? Like, where do they come from?
It's not that they take over. They just help
bring it... Come on, are you kidding? We're just...
You can't escape the filth. Is that what the
UFOs are delivering? At some point in our existence,
they enter... Bacteria bombs! Exactly, bacteria
bombs. But it's everywhere. It makes perfect
sense. Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. That's true.
Yes. Absolutely. What's the YouTube channel Kutzkegon?
Listen, I mean, I do believe, I mean, how did
life come on this planet if not by some, you
know, bacteria that came from space on some rock
and then that started life? So are we, I mean,
I guess we're the aliens. But at some point in
your life, bacteria enters your body and it stays
there. You're microbiome. We are a collection
of aliens. We are not the aliens. We're just
a collection of aliens. Like I said, okay, yeah,
okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We
sometimes find the bacteria that have entered
your body at some point in your history and set
up camp and exist. You know, the idea is for
us to have a healthy gut microbiome. So the majority
is the stuff that is beneficial to you. But there
are other ones there that just will always exist.
And they're not meant to be there, but they exist
and they have another purpose. Or they're opportunistic.
And when you die, for example, the ones that
eat you are there and they're like, you know,
it's party time. He's done. Everyone, like, you
know, the other good ones die with you. And so
those ones are still around. They're like, nice,
let's party. And then they eat. They're just
laying and waiting, you know? It's actually one
of the reasons why antibiotics are being pushed
out, not just because of superbug resistance
or the encroachment of them, but the fact that
when you take an antibiotic, it's like carpet
bombing the neighborhoods inside you. Like it
just, most antibiotics are general. They'll just
wipe out all of those species, or at least most
of them. And so you just leave all these broad
swaths of open length for just anything to colonize.
Basically, whatever opportunist comes with your
next meal will just populate your gut and you'll
have imbalance issues. Yeah. Yeah. That can take
a long, if not forever to fix, right? Yeah. It
depends how, you know, aware you are of it. This
makes me really... Okay, so I have a very close
relationship with this. Yes, what is that, Ruby?
Please, tell viewers, yes. Estrogen. This is
Progenova. One milligram. And recently a study
came out saying that these changing hormones
doesn't just... do what we think comas do. It
basically rewrites a whole bunch of systems at
the fundamental level within your body. Like
it's a reprogramming of everything that you are.
It's some other script given into your DNA to
change things. Another code being written. So
then you have hormonal messages. Electrical messages
are more for things on really fast time scales.
Like, oh, there's a tiger over there. So like
for long, longer scale changes over the minutes,
hours, the days, hormones are the messenger of
sports. So it's like, Luigi, you're asking about
bacteria. How do they communicate with the brain?
It's mostly through hormone secretion. That's
how this back and forth happens. Through the
blood. from bacteria to brain, and then brain
releases hormones back into the blood. And so
when you, when you change, when you add some
hormones into the blood, everything kind of has
to change its model of the world to accompany
this new reality. Now there's these hormones
floating through that I would normally react
to, but now they're there all the time. So I
kind of have to subtract out that noise and reestablish
what is a message and what's not. very broad
speaking, broad change caused by a hormone, any
hormonal pill. Yeah. It's really interesting
to me because, I mean, the reason that's interesting
is I have always, like, I started feeling way
better as a human being existing in the world
the moment I started taking it, like within,
within a day. I was like, there was this massive
sense of relief, not just in mental clarity,
right? That came. So, and that must be within
brain. Like I've said before, I used to have
a lot, you were talking about right brain, left
brain before. And I used to have a lot of dyslexia.
or dyslexic symptoms at least, and now they've
pretty much vanished. I still have some symptoms,
but they are far less than they were before.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, maybe it's, I don't
know what the word is, psychosomatic or something.
Like a placebo effect or like an anxiety response
before. And now that anxiety is gone. So there's
a retraction of those symptoms. I don't know.
Yeah. Something to think about. Well, I've been
on hormones for many months. And the dyslexic
effects weren't immediate, but the feelings were.
Hopefully someday in the future, we'll be able
to find out which bacteria need, you know, swapping
out in order to have the same effect. Because,
you know, a new species can have a whole host
of changes, even more than a hormone because
they release multiple hormones. What is the ideal
combination of bacteria? It looks like it's human
specific or at least lineage specific. People
from certain areas have grown up with the bacteria
over there. So they tend to do better when they
have those, their host to those species. One
attempt, more or less a blunt attempt at fixing
this problem is fecal transplants where they'll
take feces from somebody who has a good... Yeah,
it can help with leukemia, right? So a recent
paper showed that while they were looking at...
Um, analysis of the species by length of your
intestines. And they found that there's actually
three different neighborhoods, um, with their
own species composition. So you can't just take
one fecal pill and repopulate all three of those
neighborhoods. Cause it'll really only benefit
one of them. The other two will be thrown into
chaos by the fecal transplant. So we're just
now learning the actual science of what we're
doing by changing. Yes, there's dramatic effects.
by reintroducing species that are lost, but how
to target which species and where that hasn't
been fully explored. And that's definitely something
that needs to be looked into. Aren't there like
hundreds of thousands of species within your
gut? We've actually found a whole new tree of
life. So you have like bacteria, you have archaea,
you have eukaryotes. There's a new type of life
called obelisks. that exist in about one third
of humans. They don't, they're not archaea, they're
not bacteria, they're not protists, eukaryotes.
We don't know what they are. They have very interesting
DNA. They're in a class of their own, a kingdom
of their own. And they just, they were just discovered.
So we have a whole new form of life that we don't,
they're not viruses either. They're kind of like
viruses, but they're more like bacteria. They
have a cell wall. Yeah, we're still trying to
figure out what lives inside of us. and classifying
it all. It's difficult. That's wild. I feel like
when all of the species on Earth will be discovered,
we'll be still trying to discover the millions
of bacteria, which is pretty cool. We'll still
be trying to map the sea floor. And find the
secret. Find all the secret government bases.
They're smart dinosaurs, I'm telling you. Smart
dinosaurs. I'll put my money on it. Definitely
check out that 4chan post. It's fascinating.
Like 20 pages full of information. Really put
things together in a way no one else has. I have
feelings about 4chan though. That's where the
groepers live. You don't have to pay attention.
4chan is a big place, you know. It's hard not
to pay attention to them. They follow you. They
will find you. Trust me. Fair. Try to be a grope.
They will find you. It's a test pool, let's be
honest. But that's where whistleblowers go, to
blow the whistle. Yeah, you gotta go somewhere,
you know? Oh well. Alright Ruby, should we wrap
it up? This is the longest podcast we've done.
No it's not. It's been two hours. No it's not.
The last time we did this it was three hours,
yeah. No way. Yeah, the longest one I've done
is four hours. But it gets edited down to, yeah.
Yeah. Um, well, no, I'm, I'm, I, I have feelings
about, I don't like AI. AI stinks. Okay. AI sucks
ass. It's the worst. And I have two things I
want to say about it. I use AI to edit because
I think that's what AI, that's where it should
end. This program that we're recording on, it
transcribes everything that, that we say into
text. Then it uses an AI. a generative text model
to dissect the meaning and decide which are segments,
which are ums and ahs, and I can edit by highlighting
text and deleting it. And that will edit the
video. So that's extremely useful. So AI can
edit the video. But you know what? I, two or
three days ago, oh shit, what am I saying? It
was Friday. Yesterday. I saw this prompt on,
or it was like a silly thing on Discord saying,
what would, like, just as a note for you, what
would your mythical creature be? So then I went
onto AI. onto ChatGPT, it has all of the transcripts
from all of the Kaleidoscope podcasts so far
uploaded into a single project, right? So I go,
look at all of my transcripts, take my personality,
dissect it. It's got all of my poetry as well.
Tell me what you think would be the best like
creature for me. And I did, like, for shits and
giggles, I did deep research on it. Wait a minute,
can we guess it? Liger. Jesus Christ! No, not
a liger. Why? Why liger? Because I keep growing
and growing? Because I have Down syndrome? Because
it's just a magical being. You just have magic.
It's known for its potency and magic. Liker is
not even remotely known for its potency and fucking
magic. Half a lion, half a tiger. Right for its
power and magic. The dual thin mermaid that Starbucks
uses as its mascot. No, no, no, no, no. But wait,
I want to say the thing. What it does is it goes...
Going into like doing these deep research into
like reflection for And the phrasing it used
for what I don't remember exactly what it said.
It was Narcissistic reflections. I was like,
what the fuck? You're supposed to affirm me!
Reflexes? Oh, reflection. Reflection, reflection.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing that it came up with
is a mirror moth. It doesn't exist. I told her
to do two. One is a phoenix, which is kind of
cliche, which is existing, right? And the other
one is new based on the lore from my book and
blah, blah, blah. A mirror moth. A mirror moth
is a species that exists. But this one is reimagined
to be like magical. It sounds cool. Yeah. Okay.
I like AI. I like it in all aspects. Like, I
know people are like, oh, AI is so bad because
it makes art. Who cares? Let it make art. It's
not that people can't make art. It's not that
AI is bad. It's the people that might exploit
AI. But listen, and Ryan will attest to this.
Yo, I love Sora and all the zany AI stuff it
creates. I've been sending Ryan JD Vance memes.
I love it. I love that someone is like, make
JD Vance, I don't know, riding a skateboard down
a big hill. It's fricking hilarious. Who is controlling
AI? Right now it's okay because you can make
that of JD Vance. Yeah. Great. But it's also
not okay. It's also destroying the internet.
Why? Because... Young people don't have technical
literacy, so they can't tell truth from reality.
No, you can literally go on Twitter and just
watch bots argue each other. Entertainment, whatever.
Listen, if you're dumb enough to do it, by all
means. Why get upset about that? There's now
more bot traffic on the internet. More cynical.
Yeah, okay. So when you put it like that, I worry
about that because I know how much energy...
the internet uses, you know, and if it's just
robots polluting our earth, then yeah, I say
it's a problem. But otherwise, you know, okay,
fine. It's completely destroyed. It's destroying
a human connection. And hopefully this podcast
is going some way to trying to fix that. I don't
think AI is destroying human connection at all.
Disagree. I'm sorry. Already destroyed. I'm not
allowed to respond how I normally would respond
and put them on this podcast. But I will contact
them real nice. Let us know how the podcast went.
Yeah. I've seen that. There was a professor who
got tired of answering emails, so he just has
an AI also responding to emails for her. I mean,
hey, that's great. You know, what did professors
use before AI to respond to emails? They used
teaching assistants. Like, let's be real. Come
on, that's it. They even use teaching as a spark
your papers No, I think I think AI has its uses
as a generative text model AI is useful and and
and I just think that AI should Whatever it is.
It should be relegated to the to the Purview
of being a tool to assist you to create something
I'm okay with people using AI to achieve CGI
Right? But I'm not okay with someone using AI
to create a video from scratch. Because I think
then, like, and then taking credit for that,
like going, oh, I created this thing. No, you
didn't. You don't know any of the skills that
went into creating that. They curated it. But
you know, that kind of rhetoric has existed for
the last 15 years. I remember when I started
hearing, I'm a curator, I'll curate this. Pick
and choose and take credit for it. I see no difference
personally when it comes to AI and that dynamic.
You're blurry. Yeah. Okay. You're not wrong.
I see the curator angle that you could argue,
but I don't think it's valid. Because you haven't
curated. Like, you didn't go out and choose it.
Something else went out and choose it. That's
like me going into your house and saying, I curated
this. Well, it's like you're the boss and you're
telling your little minions to do the work. Oh,
do this. But it was ultimately your idea. It's
like using a calculator. Ryan has thoughts. It
just reminds me of a certain someone you used
to work for and that I still work for, you know,
doing kind of the same thing. I use AI. Every
guitar combination has already been played. We're
all just remaking remakes of it. Yes, yes. That's
true, I think, for the most part. You know, everything's
just, everything, every form of art rides on
the laurels of an older piece of art, I think.
That's true truly originality is non -existent
only authenticity remains condition Hey, you're
looking at it from a panpsychist your point.
We're all the cells the society reform is one
thing Wow Big brain dude cosmic brain Learning
over time. We're taking old thoughts that happened
and we're expanding upon them over I hope literacy
rate falling. Yeah, and when it comes to art
and we're using the same kinds of like, I don't
know, tropes and themes and stories, whatever,
we're making it, it's still entertainment, it's
still enjoyable. It can still be appreciated
for other kinds of aspects. No, I don't appreciate
AI creating videos that Facebook moms think are
real when it's like a cat saving a baby from
a fucking bear. It doesn't exist. It's not real,
okay? You don't have the media, get off the internet!
Okay, why worry about those people? They're dumb.
They don't know any better. You let them be dumb.
They're they're the reason we're in this like
political shit storm that we're in is because
of dumb people. They're dumb neighbors. Well,
okay. I understand that. I'm gonna have to cut
this whole part of like this is officially like
like cutting out half. We're talking about conspiracy
theories and things and then insulting some of
the people that are into that. This kind of goes
into the realm of conspiracy. You could create
conspiracy via all the Michael Jackson Sora videos
on the internet. Imagine the kids born. Imagine
the kids born in like, I don't know, the 2010s.
How old would they be now? Only 15. Okay, let's
say 2000s. Like, I don't know. I wonder, this
is how long I haven't been in like the Americas,
but like, maybe Ryan can attest this. Ryan, if
you teach students who are maybe 17 or 18, just
new to university, like, do they know? That the
memes on the internet are are not real like the
source of like do they think those videos of
Michael Jackson? Talking to like mr. Rogers are
real they think that happened Like this is their
only yeah But they also don't know the real they
never experienced the real right only know the
faith exactly Yeah, so by default, because they
don't think there's anything, they think these
are two people. Oh, they're real. Just by default,
they just default to thinking they're real. They
exist in the world because they have no like
cultural vested interest in them. It's weird.
Man, I wish, I wish, I wish Baudrillard were
still alive. And in the face of this, you also
go like Baudrillard, Sora is a good thing. It's
sort of an entertaining thing. I love it. I think
it's hilarious what's going on. I can buy entertainment.
Yeah. No country yet. No group of people has,
as far as I know, used AI for some kind of political
gain. South America, yeah. Oh, have they? Okay.
Really? I believe it was Brazil. Incredible.
I was going to say like South Park to push some
kind of agenda. I support that message. That
was hilarious. I have no doubt that chat bots
using some kind of AI in Russia is influencing
American politics. Oh, yeah, definitely. But
are there videos being made to trick a populace?
That's the question. Because it's the specular
that's more effective than just like, you know,
words, text, whatever. I think that there are
some Well, here's the problem, two problems.
Number one, we've already seen some of the politicians
in America going, oh, I didn't say that, that's
AI. So it casts doubt. Like, unless you were
holding the fucking camera, nothing is real.
That is a major problem. fake things are being
generated by AI and how the next generation of
models are being trained on that data. So the
fake things are being misconstrued as truth.
So it's getting dumber and dumber with each iteration
because the past iterations, hallucinations,
and bad uses are getting misconstrued as truth
mixed up with the truth and now it's... It's
going to compound on itself. So let's really
curate your data set that you train your model.
So AI is eating itself. Yeah. Getting dumber.
Good. That's a good thing. We see an active campaign
right now on Wikipedia to erase anything UFO
related, any kind of science or research into
it or events. A lot of them are getting erased
from Wikipedia. So the later models. Just the
later models. Don't say anything positive or
talk about the subject. I like that we've...
See, now Ruby, you have to include this in the
podcast. We've brought it back. I like the hermeneutics
of this conversation. Back to your pose, baby!
I'm just gonna cut out where I say people are
dumb. Yeah. Why, come on. Then why not? That's
not so bad. People are dumb. I'll leave it in.
I'll leave it in. I'll leave it in. Don't worry.
I think this... I'm dumb. You're dumb. We're
all dumb. Let's be dumb together. I think this
whole podcast, there's almost nothing I need
to cut out. It's just gonna like run smoothly,
to be honest. I think so too. Listen, when Ryan
comes on, it's the best time. He's a good...
He's our foreign expert. He's great. I'm trying
to do the book. Trying to do the book as a reference.
in an argument yesterday online and the person
says, I think an accepted book is an evidence.
I don't want to read that. We're going to that
point. I need, I need somebody to summarize,
AI summarize this for me. I don't want it actually.
Yeah, nah. Yikes. Fair enough. It's just, it's
the new, AI is the new cliff notes, I guess.
That's true. Um, Ryan, do you have social media?
you would like for me to call out or anything.
Can you send it in the chat? I'm not really a
big social media guy trying to stay away from
it as much as possible because it's just rotting
our brains. That's a good point. If you don't
want Ruby to share it, she won't. I mean, I don't
even, I don't share mine. I don't think it's
worth sharing. So yours is, it's not a Q, it's
a K, huh? Yeah. You're a photographer. Share
yourself. I agree. You should give me something
to share. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, that
was Kaleidoscope with our guest. Ryan, you can
find Ryan on, what is this, Instagram? Quicksilver?
Instagram, at Quicksil - Oh, Q - What? That's
a J, not a K, right? It's a K. He just misspelled
it. With a - But there's a Quidge -silver. Yeah,
he misspelled it. It's quick. It's quick. Oh,
it's Q -U -I -K -silver. All one word. 10152.
Q -U -I -K -S -I -L -V -E -R 10152. You can find
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it has been a pleasure to host you today. I'm
going to stop the recording.