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Ryan, we're usually better prepared. We're not

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today. We're always better prepared. This is

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the first time. It's because you sprung this

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on us. Ladies and gentlemen, dear internet, welcome

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to Kaleidoscope. My name is Ruby Ray Liu, and

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today I'm unexpectedly joined by my co -host,

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Luigi, and a friend of the podcast, Ryan. See

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you guys again. I'll say it again. My name is

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Ruby Ray Liu. I'm what happens when you see too

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many doctors and go to too many appointments.

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Savage. Yeah. My name's Luigi and I don't have

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a clever thing to say today because I was caught

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off guard for this podcast. I'll be brutally

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honest on this podcast. But. But I can say I

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feel like Ryan's gonna be on here again and again

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and again Perfect just cuz I feel like we need

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to we I feel like we need to uh What's the word

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I don't know how to say it we need to like you

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know, we got to give a more a Professionalism

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that makes sense You have to come back now so

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that we can be more professional next time. Ryan's

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our foreign expert. I'm a foreigner to you, Gary.

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Official foreign expert. That's right. Congratulations.

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Ryan, we were chatting before Luigi came up,

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you said you have a few months to your PhD, which

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is still mitochondria. and plenary worms. I have

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to say this time I feel a lot more awake than

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last time. Last time I was sleepy as fuck. Like

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I accidentally, I did fall asleep for a minute

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or two. I cut it out of the final podcast. You

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should not be saying that. I'll cut it out of

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this one too. Or you should say admittedly you

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were falling asleep not because what we were

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talking about was boring. No, I just said because

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I'm not tired. Last time I was overtired. I was

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over everything. I was so stressed and yeah,

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I'm much better now. What are you, Ryan? Can

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you introduce yourself to our listeners? Right

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now I am looking for a lab. So I haven't really...

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chosen exactly which path I'm going to take for

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biomedical engineering. Probably something in

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systems neuroscience. We're currently working

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in an olfaction lab trying to figure out how

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the nose works with the brain. But yeah, my path

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is undecided at this very moment, and that's

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what I'm really focused on. That's what it's

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all about in the Academy, just wandering. Especially

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when you get into the graduate years. Yeah, I've

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recently been advised. I've recently been advised

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that graduate years are better than non -graduate

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years. Yes, true. I said that. It was me. Yes,

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it was you. In our last podcast, Ryan, if you

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watch it, you'll know. Oh my gosh, I'm busy uploading

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it as we speak. It is completely uploaded. It

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has now been uploaded. Goodness. There's a lot

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of freedom involved at the same time. Some handholding

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is kind of desired, because there's way too many

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options. I don't know if we're doing it right.

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Yeah, I think that's the problem with kids who

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love school. Not that you're a kid. I'm going

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to prefer to us as kids, but when you like learning,

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it's hard to choose. And you kind of worry mentally

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about like... if you're doing, what you're doing

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is right and you want to do something else, like

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there's so much you want to cover, but you have

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to get used to just, just accepting that you

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can only do one finite thing. It sucks, but you

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know, when you're a professor, then then you

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can keep on adding stuff to your repertoire.

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This is probably being adjacent to where you

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want to end up. Yeah. That's the goal. Sorry,

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Ruby, we cut you off. No, it's okay. I'm just

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listening. Are you guys still getting an echo

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from me? No. You sound fine to me. No? Okay,

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good, good, good. Ryan sounds like he's in a

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fishbowl, but that's okay. Whatever. I'm so used

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to audio problems with this podcast. Listen,

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it's getting better. It is getting better. I

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mean, I have a microphone. Yeah, it is. But there's

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also some phones. That's obviously no longer

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needed by phones. Great. Love that. From experience,

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I can tell you that microphones don't matter.

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They just fuck things up more. Can confirm. Today

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we are talking about UFOs and what's psycho...

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Psycho what? Cryptids. No, okay cryptids, let's

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bring it all the way. I'll look here. I have

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it on my side. Panpsychism. What is panpsychism?

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I'm into it. I did a presentation on that to

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my last lab I was rotating through. They tend

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to be very physicalist, very materialist, very

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anthropocentric. with their views because they're

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working on neurodegeneration, tracking humans

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and mice as their brain gets damaged, how does

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the system compensate. And I see an issue, I

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take issue with that because their models are

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too narrow. Like if they took a step back and

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looked at how intelligence exists in all of its

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embodiments, I feel like they would get more

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insight into the problems they're facing. So

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I gave a talk on like a more generalized view

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of intelligence and how it arrived. We didn't

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like it so much. We're still pretty set and humans

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are special. We are. I agree we are on this planet.

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We are pretty special. Until the dolphins take

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over time. Until the dolphins take over. That's

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right. Listen, listen, you two, if we're gonna

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go into these deep subjects, we really need to

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make sure we carefully lay out what they are

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before we talk about them some more. But first,

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I think we should just ask fun, generic questions.

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Random, random, what's it called? Not like a

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speed. Quickfire, that's the word. That's exactly

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what I was thinking, but I couldn't articulate

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it. I was thinking speed round, but quickfire

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is the word. It's okay, that's why I'm here.

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That's why I'm the host. Like, I'm just here

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to facilitate shit, aren't I? Absolutely. I don't

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know anything about anything. I'm the only one

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with an undergraduate degree here. Yikes. I'm

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here to make washed up comedian -like jokes.

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Graduate degrees are overrated. All degrees are

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overrated. What is your fondest memory of me?

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Hearing you scream every morning from the other

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room. That was my alarm clock. Just so everyone

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knows, Ryan and I, when we were teachers, we

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worked at a school and we worked in teacher dorms.

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So we were at buildings. We didn't have our own

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apartments. We had to live on campus. And yes,

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for the most part. I was always shouting for

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some reason, for one reason or another. Absolutely

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true. I enjoyed visiting you, having some of

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your exquisite coffee pouring. I learned how

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to let it breathe. Yes, I was also a hipster

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for coffee. Here's the spiel, here's a lowdown

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of what's happening that week. There's always

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something happening. Yep. Yep. My... Luigi, I

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drink a lot of coffee and I like my coffee really

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strong. But you like your coffee burnt. Like,

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it's so powerful. It kicks me in the teeth. Is

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that true? Yeah. I've made you coffee, but I've

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made you coffee with my really low -tier espresso

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machine. No, no. At your house, coffee's good.

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But whenever you were making coffee at, like,

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at school... Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay,

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we should also tell this to viewers. Yep. Coffee,

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yeah, look at that, weird. Coffee apparently

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plays a big part in the social aspect of my life

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as an educator. Ruby and I, when we were working

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together, we were also often in our boss's office

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and he had a mocha espresso pot and I was tasked

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with always brewing the coffee. He said I sucked

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at it. I think he was right. But anyway, I always

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had to make the coffee. So yeah, I guess, yeah,

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that makes sense. That trance. In my mind, when

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I'm pouring, I'm like, all right, let it freeze.

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Look, look, the bubbles coming up. That's what's

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up. Let it bloom. You got it, baby. I'm glad.

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I'm glad you remember that. I have plenty of

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fond memories of Ryan and I at work. Let's see

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what's won. You having cast iron pots that me...

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Cast iron pan sorry and me yelling at you about

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how to take care of them because you had your

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ideas about like what the internet said I thought

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they were just woefully inaccurate and wrong

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Like how you're supposed to treat them You just

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you just were refused refused to clean them and

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just keep like an inch or like a centimeter worth

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of oil in them. I just thought, no, that is not

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how you do it. I have a seasoned pan that I haven't

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washed since I bought it. It was washed once

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and then seasoned. uppity about seasoning, you

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know, cast iron pans or whatever. Listen, you

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can wash them with soap. It makes no difference.

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The important thing is when you're done washing

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them or rinsing them or whatever, you have to

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like heat them again and smoke them. You should

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wipe all that oil out because if you don't, they

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will rust. And Ryan never did that and they were

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always rusty. There's no rust. We just wipe it.

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We wash it with like boiling water. We pour boiling

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water over it. Yeah. Or like really hot water.

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You can scrub it. Scrub the stuff off. Like use

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a sponge. Then we have like a scrubber and we

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scrub over it. And then you take a paper towel

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and you wipe it clean. And then you spray new

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oil. Exactly. And then you heat it again, right?

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Until it like smokes. You should do that. You

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do that before you cook. Oh my word. No. Just

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leave cold oil in there a little bit. Disagree.

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Disagree. You should heat it again and then let

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it smoke and then just wipe all that new oil

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off and then leave it for the next time. Okay.

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Fine. That's just what I... I think that's right.

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That's like the first thing we put together as

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foreigners entering China. We all had our tetanus

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shots, so I know you can eat that rest. You should

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be trying my hit screen. Tetanus shots, yeah.

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Hiding up that history, making that, ooh, niggling

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flavor. Yeah. Brian and I had a lot of fun. We

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did a lot of fun stuff. A little bit of lockdown.

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Okay. What's the worst thing you've ever had

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a tetanus shot for? And how many have you had?

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One tetanus shot in like grade three or four.

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I got into an argument with a student while playing

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football and he came at me and then I put him

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in a headlock. Mind you like nine or ten and

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then he bit my leg and hits like teeth marks

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or in my leg. Oh Like that's how hard he bit.

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So I had to get I had to get a tetanus shot Because

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they're like, oh, we don't know. Do you still

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have the scar? No, I don't disappointed Well,

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I guess it wasn't that bad but that's like a

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Little extreme a tetanus shot. That's my worst.

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Yeah didn't walk on a nail or anything, got bit

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by another human being. Not rabid, though. So

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you'd think the doctors would be like, no, it's

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fine, whatever. I'm not a doctor. What about

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you, Ryan? COVID shots, it's kind of required

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three just to keep it going. And then coming

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back to the United States, they're like, no,

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none of those count. Here, have two more. Just

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so I could travel to South America. Plus the

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yellow thing at the same time. I mean, yeah.

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I remember those COVID shots, yep. Yeah, if I

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recall, we had to get COVID shots in our city

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and then they ran out of the shop. So then we

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had to go to another hospital and get a totally

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new shot. Yep. My worst tetanus shot was inflicted

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on me by an e -bike late at night. Really? Yeah,

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you know about it. It was when I left school

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early every single day because my foot was literally

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cut open. I don't remember that. Okay, anyway,

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I'll tell the story. There's a little kickstand

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on an e -bike. I'm sure you're aware. We all

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know. Yeah, you all know. For the listeners,

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there's a little kickstand. And when I say e

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-bike, it looks like it's an electric moped.

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And this little kickstand makes contact with

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the ground, regularly. It doesn't start sharp.

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But eventually, over a couple of years, it will

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sharpen itself against the tar of the road or

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wherever you put it, the concrete. Like, uh,

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I never, okay. Yeah, okay. It was, um, it was

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a hot summer's night and I was wearing like the

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Plastic Birkenstocks. Because it had to rain

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the previous day. Okay. But the reason I'm saying

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this is they are not porous and they have like

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a bathtub of a shape. Right? Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

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I don't mean... Yeah. So the e -bike is stuck

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because when I parked it, the front wheel had

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like gone into the bedding of a tree. And it's

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late at night. I've had a couple of drinks and

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I'm... pulling this e -bike out, it won't budge,

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right? So I put like, I really put all my weight

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behind it and I pull it out and it goes over

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this like root or whatever. And as it does that,

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that little kickstand is like one centimeter

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into my toe and just slices through my toe. Um,

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and I didn't realize it because you know, when

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you get hurt, you don't, you don't feel anything.

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So I'm like walking, I get on the e -bike. I'm

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like, why the hell is my foot wet? And then I'm

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like, why, why does my toe itch? Oh my God, that's

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painful. I look down, I can't see anything cause

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it's dark. Put my flashlight on my, on my, on

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my phone and. The whole like bathtub shape of

00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:31.620
this Birkenstock is just filled with blood Yeah,

00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:38.159
I It's it's like 1130 at night. So I ride back

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home Stop limp upstairs Blood is like starting

00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:45.580
to pour out of this Birkenstock get back in get

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in the house and just staunch the blood, right?

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I'm so tired. I Take acetone. Yeah, like Dettol

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and just pour it over there. Stick a shot with

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like a Band -Aid and sleep. The next morning

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I go and get four stitches, yeah. It was super

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painful. And the doctor's like, why didn't you

00:17:11.309 --> 00:17:14.150
come here last night? I'm like, dude, I was,

00:17:14.769 --> 00:17:17.150
yeah, it was not a good time. I was really sleeping.

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Really that happened when we worked together?

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Yeah. Wow. I don't even remember. I feel like

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a bat. We hadn't kindled our friendship yet.

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No way. Uh -uh. I refuse to leave that. It was

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a little bit before. It was like really early

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on. Okay. Really early on. Fine. Fair. Okay.

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That, I believe. All right. Ryan, any tennis

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story? Oh yeah, COVID, right. Okay. No. His was

00:17:46.589 --> 00:17:50.910
so unremarkable. He said his tennis stories were...

00:17:50.910 --> 00:17:53.670
All right. Fair enough. Ryan, you need to ask

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us one rapid -fire question, then they will dive

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into UFOs. They don't have to be smart. You just

00:18:03.230 --> 00:18:05.970
ask us anything. How was your day? What did you

00:18:05.970 --> 00:18:09.210
do? I'm serious, but everyone would have me planting

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these. I've got a bunch of hydroponic systems

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and I'm just planting every random vegetable

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or fruit. What would you guys put there? I'm

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so jealous. Ryan, do you remember when we found

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that kind of plant that we shall not name on

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this podcast right before we stopped working

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together? Why shall we not name it on this podcast?

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Because I don't want to get in trouble. Was it

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a mushroom? No, a mushroom is not a plant. Did

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it want to give you a high five or a high seven?

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Grows on the wild out in China, but people don't

00:18:43.339 --> 00:18:46.299
recognize for what it is. Yeah, they don't recognize

00:18:46.299 --> 00:18:50.500
it at all Yeah, speaking of plants. I mean, I'm

00:18:50.500 --> 00:18:54.400
always growing plants But you know, it was the

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job I was at We can't say the name you guys gonna

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get sworn by agents right away. That's right

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It was just like a plant anyway That's not a

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couple of times. Really? Yeah, I've been near

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Mongolia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody knew what

00:19:16.819 --> 00:19:18.839
it was. Yeah, I mean, that goes without saying.

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But yeah, I mean, I'm a plant aficionado. I wouldn't

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say that, but because like the job you and I

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worked at, that's when I discovered my love of

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houseplants. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, our boss, the principal.

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Yeah, I was taking care of the principal's plants.

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And I sucked at it. I think I killed all of them.

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I just didn't know how to do plants. And then

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we lived in these tiny cramped dorms, so I thought,

00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:57.759
oh, the air in here is not clean. I hear if you

00:19:57.759 --> 00:19:59.880
have a lot of plants, it'll clean the air. So

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then I started an obsession with houseplants.

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And then now I just love growing plants for other

00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:11.609
reasons. So I've got I don't know It's like 40

00:20:11.609 --> 00:20:19.670
house plants as you know Ruby Yeah, I heard that's

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the thing. I don't have that many in my room

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I do they do get killed every year some of my

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plants die most of my plants die and I have to

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spend the year saving them because The people

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I asked to take care of them They can't take

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care of plants, and they don't care to, but they

00:20:32.750 --> 00:20:34.349
agreed to help me. Just imagine what your principal

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felt like when you killed all of their pets.

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This is redemption. I would talk, you could look

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at it that way, I would talk to her every day

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and be like, oh, what's happened? This plant's

00:20:42.970 --> 00:20:44.049
doing this, blah, blah. And she'd be like, I

00:20:44.049 --> 00:20:47.809
don't worry about it. But I think wherever she

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is in the world, Ryan, I think you visited her,

00:20:50.470 --> 00:20:53.390
but I think a big part of her life is like a

00:20:53.390 --> 00:20:56.089
coffee shop and plants. Yeah, her whole house

00:20:56.089 --> 00:20:59.059
is just surrounded by gardens. She just has a

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little cabin on her property that people come

00:21:02.460 --> 00:21:05.039
in and buy food directly through them there.

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And it's awesome. Look at that. What a dream.

00:21:08.539 --> 00:21:11.019
Living the dream. Let's dress in sin while I

00:21:11.019 --> 00:21:16.480
put you there. Listen, here we go on about, you

00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:23.480
know, the faults of all of these kinds of schools,

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but you know, that's Charter Schools for you.

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All around the world, you know? Can't be helped.

00:21:32.369 --> 00:21:37.789
That's right. What can you do? Alright, Ruby,

00:21:37.990 --> 00:21:39.809
let's get into it. What are we talking about

00:21:39.809 --> 00:21:42.009
today? Do you have any perspectives, Ruby? I

00:21:42.009 --> 00:21:46.750
can... Okay, I have a perspective. Yeah. UFO

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sightings only happen around technologically

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advanced countries because... UFO, whatever is

00:22:00.349 --> 00:22:04.250
flying the UFO understands that that is where

00:22:04.250 --> 00:22:08.730
the risk is coming from. But that being said,

00:22:09.109 --> 00:22:11.890
so there have been, and I just searched this

00:22:11.890 --> 00:22:17.410
in South Africa. There is a history of UFO sightings.

00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:23.819
notable events including a 1995 flap I don't

00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:26.240
know what it that's that's what the incident

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is called it's called the flap incident and then

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okay in 1914 there was a monoplane scare so like

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in 1914 people saw a plane in South Africa yeah

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okay and then there's an aerial school incident

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in 1994 where 60 children reported seeing a UFO

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and aliens. Wait a minute. That's in Zimbabwe.

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That's like Rua or whatever it's called. Let

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me look it up. That is one of my favorite spooky

00:23:04.420 --> 00:23:12.779
UFO stories. I like that story. I've never heard

00:23:12.779 --> 00:23:39.150
of it. Really? Really? So, more direct, I don't

00:23:39.150 --> 00:23:42.509
know. He did, you know, E .T., Spielberg. That's

00:23:42.509 --> 00:23:45.089
exactly like the Napster mummies, if you compare

00:23:45.089 --> 00:23:47.049
their anatomy. So, it seems like he knew what

00:23:47.049 --> 00:23:48.869
those mummies were going to look like 20 years

00:23:48.869 --> 00:23:53.970
ahead of time. The thing I like about the aerial

00:23:53.970 --> 00:23:57.950
school in Rua is that it's one of the most credible

00:23:57.950 --> 00:24:05.220
UFO scenarios recorded. Rua, okay. How do I define

00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:09.460
credibility? How do I define credibility? I guess

00:24:09.460 --> 00:24:16.619
in the instance of UFOs, not easily disproven,

00:24:16.819 --> 00:24:20.339
not explainable. But the one problem I have with

00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:26.039
that is, why it tracks is because you have all

00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:28.799
of these children reporting this story. And how

00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:33.089
do you get all of these children? get them to

00:24:33.089 --> 00:24:36.009
opt in to tell this story about this experience.

00:24:36.589 --> 00:24:40.730
The only thing I could think of is that they

00:24:40.730 --> 00:24:43.670
were tricked. So, you know, for the viewers,

00:24:43.769 --> 00:24:46.650
if they don't know this story, a school in the

00:24:46.650 --> 00:24:49.450
country of Zimbabwe, in the continent of Africa,

00:24:50.210 --> 00:24:56.930
in a city of Rua, maybe? Okay, there was a school

00:24:56.930 --> 00:25:04.509
and a UFO landed and I believe an alien came

00:25:04.509 --> 00:25:08.390
out and all of these kids met the aliens. And

00:25:08.390 --> 00:25:13.210
after that, some, I don't know, some professional

00:25:13.210 --> 00:25:15.069
came and interviewed all the kids and made a

00:25:15.069 --> 00:25:18.650
documentary. And the adults never saw the alien.

00:25:20.630 --> 00:25:23.150
And then, oh, I think maybe a psychologist came

00:25:23.150 --> 00:25:26.440
and made a documentary, maybe. And... interviewed

00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:28.779
all the kids and they were all, they all experienced

00:25:28.779 --> 00:25:32.019
it. So how do you get all of these kids to opt

00:25:32.019 --> 00:25:34.779
into this story? The only explanation I could

00:25:34.779 --> 00:25:37.319
think of is that they're really clever and they're

00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:39.220
like, yeah, let's do it. And someone incentivized

00:25:39.220 --> 00:25:41.519
them like, you'll get a bunch of candy if you

00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:45.380
do this. I mean, I could probably get my whole

00:25:45.380 --> 00:25:47.819
class of nine -year -olds to lie if I rewarded

00:25:47.819 --> 00:25:51.359
them with something. But I just feel like that

00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:56.029
wouldn't happen. there were some adults behind

00:25:56.029 --> 00:26:00.269
it and they dressed up as aliens and then they

00:26:00.269 --> 00:26:06.549
pretended. And it's a really good hoax. But I

00:26:06.549 --> 00:26:09.349
don't know. So the reason I asked about credibility,

00:26:09.789 --> 00:26:11.609
well, two things. One about credibility, also

00:26:11.609 --> 00:26:14.269
about John Mack, the pattern I'll point out when

00:26:14.269 --> 00:26:17.670
I give my spiel. But credibility, yeah, there

00:26:17.670 --> 00:26:20.200
was a lot of people. all saying the same thing,

00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:22.960
which does lend weight to it. But again, it's

00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.880
just human testimony. So as I said, it could

00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:30.940
be in some way. I find when there's human visuals

00:26:30.940 --> 00:26:34.759
and radar or some other kind of sensor both corroborating

00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.099
the same event, that seems more compelling to

00:26:37.099 --> 00:26:40.680
me. So like the event where UFOs flew over the

00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.019
White House in 1952 on two consecutive weekends,

00:26:44.299 --> 00:26:47.220
there were radar domes on either side of Washington.

00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:50.799
tracking these things along with the human eyes.

00:26:51.299 --> 00:26:54.200
So for me, that's like, that definitely was a

00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:57.099
flying object that everyone was looking at, land

00:26:57.099 --> 00:26:59.839
or hover over the white house. Depends on how

00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:03.160
many, how many independent points are validating

00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:07.299
the hypothesis you're looking at. Back to that

00:27:07.299 --> 00:27:09.779
psychologist, I believe he worked at Harvard.

00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.279
And I went to go interview all the students at

00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.000
Ariel. Um, you'll see time and time again that

00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.279
scientists who take this subject seriously, or

00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:22.279
at least consider the non prosaic physical, physicalist

00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:25.079
hypothesis are often ridiculed by the community.

00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.119
They have character assassinations throw at them.

00:27:27.579 --> 00:27:29.299
So the guy that went and interviewed, the reason

00:27:29.299 --> 00:27:31.299
we have all these testimonies from these children,

00:27:31.500 --> 00:27:34.079
um, he was lambasted when he came back to the

00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:36.599
States. Like he, people are asking to have him

00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:38.839
fired. You shouldn't be taking this subject seriously.

00:27:39.130 --> 00:27:41.569
And it wasn't until there was a campaign to say,

00:27:41.730 --> 00:27:43.970
like, hey, let this guy do science, that he was

00:27:43.970 --> 00:27:47.230
reinstated and had his medical license given

00:27:47.230 --> 00:27:50.509
back. What's up with that? Why can't we consider

00:27:50.509 --> 00:27:53.089
all the hypotheses? That's what science does.

00:27:54.569 --> 00:27:57.109
You're right. We should consider all the hypotheses,

00:27:57.450 --> 00:28:00.970
every single one. I agree with you. I guess the

00:28:00.970 --> 00:28:05.109
question would be, why doesn't the scientific

00:28:05.109 --> 00:28:11.200
community create a field of I don't know, extraterrestrial

00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:15.000
or like UFO study. Does it not exist? It started.

00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:17.700
There was the conference. There's one that takes

00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:21.140
it seriously, you know, like it exists but in

00:28:21.140 --> 00:28:25.140
the realm of like ghost hunting. And it's informal.

00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:29.759
It's kind of like chiropractic. Isn't like the

00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:30.480
set tea. Maybe there'll be some listeners who

00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.289
will be like, how dare you. Isn't the, like,

00:28:33.490 --> 00:28:36.950
SETI satellite array specifically designed just

00:28:36.950 --> 00:28:39.730
to find extraterrestrials? But he's compromised.

00:28:41.029 --> 00:28:47.890
It's compromised. Oh, no. Why? So, they will

00:28:47.890 --> 00:28:51.849
not comment on any corroborated event. They're

00:28:51.849 --> 00:28:53.650
still under the impression that everything's

00:28:53.650 --> 00:28:57.309
explainable by humans just misattributing planets.

00:28:57.549 --> 00:29:00.230
Oh, you just saw Venus. Yeah, Venus is flying

00:29:00.230 --> 00:29:03.650
through the sky at supersonic speed. Sure. Uh,

00:29:03.710 --> 00:29:06.349
like they, they give the same bullshit explanations

00:29:06.349 --> 00:29:09.930
that anyone who like Mick West uses to just hand

00:29:09.930 --> 00:29:12.609
wave away everything as human psychological issues.

00:29:13.210 --> 00:29:15.069
It's not, none of it's real. It's all a trick

00:29:15.069 --> 00:29:18.990
of the mind. Right. If you're searching for extraterrestrial

00:29:18.990 --> 00:29:21.230
intelligence, look here, we have plenty of evidence

00:29:21.230 --> 00:29:23.470
to troll through. So there's groups called like

00:29:23.470 --> 00:29:25.369
MUFON. MUFON's an old one. They've been around

00:29:25.369 --> 00:29:28.279
for a long time. Um, but now, nowadays for the

00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.319
past three years, uh, there's a, an annual conference

00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:34.319
called the Seoul conference. Uh, they met at

00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.579
Stanford. You see like Abby Logue and, uh, military,

00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.500
top military officials, top university professors

00:29:41.500 --> 00:29:44.200
all meeting and discussing how can we actually

00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:47.480
approach this from a scientific standpoint? So

00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.119
the ball's rolling. Um, the conference is still

00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.079
meeting every year. Uh, people are actually doing

00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:55.930
science, um, NASA just had a really interesting

00:29:55.930 --> 00:30:02.069
podcast. They have a, they fund a podcast where

00:30:02.069 --> 00:30:04.650
private industry workers can come in and talk

00:30:04.650 --> 00:30:07.609
about how their space related field is doing

00:30:07.609 --> 00:30:09.890
like the state of the art. And one of their most

00:30:09.890 --> 00:30:12.589
recent podcasts was people who work in the UFO

00:30:12.589 --> 00:30:15.309
space, but from a private industry standpoint.

00:30:15.410 --> 00:30:17.609
So they're the ones that are reverse engineering

00:30:17.609 --> 00:30:22.660
tech and doing stuff with it. Definitely check

00:30:22.660 --> 00:30:27.660
out episode 69 of the Future Economic Forecast

00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:31.579
podcast by NASA. I have to name exactly. But

00:30:31.579 --> 00:30:34.339
it's interesting because it's now getting so

00:30:34.339 --> 00:30:37.079
commonplace to talk about these things and now

00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.720
people who legitimately their job is to reverse

00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:43.400
engineer these craft in private industry are

00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.220
just speaking openly about it. Like, yeah, this

00:30:45.220 --> 00:30:49.349
is what I do. Thoughts, Ruby? I don't know enough,

00:30:49.430 --> 00:30:51.910
but I like it. Like, I'm definitely, like, I

00:30:51.910 --> 00:30:55.990
love, I love this kind of stuff. And I believe,

00:30:56.230 --> 00:30:59.970
unlike you, I lean towards UFOs and not towards

00:30:59.970 --> 00:31:04.750
cryptids, even though the non -existence of cryptids

00:31:04.750 --> 00:31:07.509
makes me sad. I know you're going to bring that

00:31:07.509 --> 00:31:13.670
up. It's still fresh. Man, the Markman's real!

00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:21.920
I love cryptids too. Um, Ryan, what's your, what,

00:31:22.059 --> 00:31:24.359
what are your thoughts on cryptids? Real or not?

00:31:25.380 --> 00:31:27.900
I mean, it is compelling the fact that there's

00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:35.200
the same mythos on both sides of America's of

00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:39.079
some hairy, very tall beast walking around. There

00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:42.940
was a, the name escapes me, but there was a town

00:31:42.940 --> 00:31:45.480
back when, during the gold rush when people were

00:31:45.470 --> 00:31:48.329
rushing over here to the West side. There was

00:31:48.329 --> 00:31:52.089
a town in the panhandle of Alaska right near

00:31:52.089 --> 00:31:55.630
the Canadian border, um, that everyone, the whole

00:31:55.630 --> 00:31:57.450
town got abandoned because apparently there was

00:31:57.450 --> 00:32:00.410
a giant hairy man that was killing, killing them

00:32:00.410 --> 00:32:02.569
off one by one. Anyone who ran into - That's

00:32:02.569 --> 00:32:06.390
fantastic. Yeah. The whole, enough people, they

00:32:06.390 --> 00:32:08.569
even sent the military to try and figure it out.

00:32:09.009 --> 00:32:11.109
But eventually the military fled and the town

00:32:11.109 --> 00:32:13.069
was abandoned because it's like, no, this ain't

00:32:13.069 --> 00:32:25.029
working. What are the chances that that big hairy

00:32:25.029 --> 00:32:31.250
anthropomorphic man thing is a UFO? What? Zero.

00:32:31.589 --> 00:32:34.450
Because UFOs are unidentified flying objects.

00:32:35.589 --> 00:32:39.289
An alien is my point. Comes from a UFO that crashed

00:32:39.289 --> 00:32:42.869
long ago. See, that's an interesting question

00:32:42.869 --> 00:32:47.349
because aliens in pop culture are not big hairy

00:32:47.349 --> 00:32:49.470
things. They are, if anything, hairless. And

00:32:49.470 --> 00:32:52.309
we make an association between like the thing

00:32:52.309 --> 00:32:56.910
that is primitive and inhuman or like unevolved

00:32:56.910 --> 00:33:01.710
as being like a hairy beast. But aliens, you

00:33:01.710 --> 00:33:04.130
know, the little green men, grays, whatever you

00:33:04.130 --> 00:33:09.109
want to call, are effectively hairless. And it

00:33:09.109 --> 00:33:14.109
represents... you know, something from the future

00:33:14.109 --> 00:33:16.450
or something more evolved. And I think that's

00:33:16.450 --> 00:33:21.049
a really interesting point for why cryptids are

00:33:21.049 --> 00:33:24.049
not really real and maybe aliens are not really

00:33:24.049 --> 00:33:27.089
real, not the aliens as we know them because

00:33:27.089 --> 00:33:33.849
they are they are explanations or mirrors for

00:33:33.849 --> 00:33:39.970
our like fears or anxieties or curiosities of

00:33:40.059 --> 00:33:44.140
Human nature or being human, you know, like what

00:33:44.140 --> 00:33:50.140
what does the Yeti represent? really who is the

00:33:50.140 --> 00:33:54.640
Group that believes in the story of the you know,

00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:58.339
let's say the Yeti. I mean Like Ryan said the

00:33:58.339 --> 00:34:00.140
Yetis from all over the world. There's stories

00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:03.019
of the Yeti in most cultures I think you know

00:34:03.019 --> 00:34:06.039
in Native Americans. It's the Wendigo in China

00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:09.179
It's the Yiren, which is a wild man in the Americas.

00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:13.590
It's Sasquatch. Sam Squatch in the Yetis also,

00:34:13.650 --> 00:34:20.710
you know, in the Himalayas. So, I mean, we, I

00:34:20.710 --> 00:34:26.090
think Native American lore, let's say, and like

00:34:26.090 --> 00:34:34.130
the Wendigo is a good example of a legend that,

00:34:34.130 --> 00:34:39.559
you know, expresses a culture's... Kind of anxieties

00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:41.619
about something not that the Yetis particularly

00:34:41.619 --> 00:34:43.619
real not that any of them are real But I think

00:34:43.619 --> 00:34:47.199
really that's that's the thing behind it. I mean,

00:34:47.260 --> 00:34:51.440
okay, I don't I don't refuse to believe that

00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:57.639
there is not life beyond Earth, but I Don't think

00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.380
if there is life beyond Earth they care to come

00:35:00.380 --> 00:35:02.300
and interact because if there's also another

00:35:02.300 --> 00:35:04.780
kind of like what's Ryan you probably know this

00:35:04.780 --> 00:35:09.619
there's some kind of hypothesis or theory about

00:35:09.619 --> 00:35:16.099
if aliens existed or exist and if they come to

00:35:16.099 --> 00:35:19.800
Earth or the reason why they won't come to Earth

00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.480
because if they come and interact with us it

00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:26.920
will be like inevitable death and destruction

00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:30.760
like they'll have to kill us because they don't

00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.309
want because we'll be a potential threat They

00:35:34.309 --> 00:35:39.150
have no choice. Dark Forest Hypothesis. The Dark

00:35:39.150 --> 00:35:41.309
Forest, that's what it is. Yes, the Dark Forest

00:35:41.309 --> 00:35:45.510
Hypothesis, yes. Three body problems. Fascinating

00:35:45.510 --> 00:35:50.929
count. Yeah. Was that created by the three -body

00:35:50.929 --> 00:35:53.309
problem that was made up in the three -body problem?

00:35:53.349 --> 00:35:55.369
Nice to address it. Yeah, people apply game theory

00:35:55.369 --> 00:36:02.150
to everything. Yeah, the best idea is to just

00:36:02.150 --> 00:36:04.380
never... Put your voice out there in the space.

00:36:04.539 --> 00:36:06.079
It's like, too late, we're already sending signals.

00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:11.159
Right, okay. So, yeah, let me explain for the

00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:16.179
audience real quick. So, the dark force hypothesis

00:36:16.179 --> 00:36:19.219
is a theory from, or something made up, I guess,

00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:21.840
that tries to explain something called... I have

00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.739
the answer to this. It's a proposed solution

00:36:24.739 --> 00:36:28.659
to the Fermi paradox. What is the Fermi paradox,

00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:33.809
though? What's the Fermi paradox, please? The

00:36:33.809 --> 00:36:35.949
Fermi paradox is the question of why we haven't

00:36:35.949 --> 00:36:39.949
heard from any alien civilizations despite the

00:36:39.949 --> 00:36:43.730
vastness of the universe. Exactly, like theoretically

00:36:43.730 --> 00:36:46.369
the universe is filled with life, statistically

00:36:46.369 --> 00:36:50.929
it is. Yeah, and the Dark Forest hypothesis comes

00:36:50.929 --> 00:36:53.409
from the novel, the science fiction novel written

00:36:53.409 --> 00:36:58.949
by Chinese author Liu, oh just like Ruby Wright,

00:36:59.230 --> 00:37:02.909
Liu Cixin. from who wrote the book, The Three

00:37:02.909 --> 00:37:05.769
-Body Problem, or the trilogy Three -Body Problem.

00:37:07.030 --> 00:37:13.070
And it means that, or rather, he compares the

00:37:13.070 --> 00:37:15.889
universe to a dark forest in that every civilization

00:37:15.889 --> 00:37:19.730
is a silent hunter in the forest. So we're all,

00:37:19.730 --> 00:37:23.769
you know, ready to kill. Forest is dark because

00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:26.849
nobody knows who else is what out there. No one

00:37:26.849 --> 00:37:29.789
knows who or what is. out there, and like, that's

00:37:29.789 --> 00:37:31.630
like the universe. We don't know what's out there,

00:37:31.650 --> 00:37:34.650
but we assume something's out there. And, or,

00:37:34.969 --> 00:37:37.349
that everybody's hiding from each other, because

00:37:37.349 --> 00:37:40.429
if we make noise, we could attract attention

00:37:40.429 --> 00:37:43.789
from others who might destroy us. That would

00:37:43.789 --> 00:37:47.170
be the most scary first contact signal, is, be

00:37:47.170 --> 00:37:52.369
quiet, they're out there. Yeah. You got to be

00:37:52.369 --> 00:37:56.510
too loud. Yeah. Be quiet, shut the fuck up. Well,

00:37:56.510 --> 00:38:02.190
yeah. We are too close to you for comfort. You

00:38:02.190 --> 00:38:11.130
need to be quiet. I think it's more likely, I

00:38:11.130 --> 00:38:13.630
want to believe that it's more likely that they

00:38:13.630 --> 00:38:18.190
have basically a non -interference clause. If

00:38:18.190 --> 00:38:22.510
they are spacefaring, they allow us to evolve

00:38:22.510 --> 00:38:26.480
just like in Star Trek. And the reason I think

00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:30.280
that we have this dark forest hypothesis is because

00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:34.079
it's a reflection on human history. Because everywhere

00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:39.760
we colonize, we rape and pillage. And the second

00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:45.679
one is fear is just hardwired programmed into

00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:50.219
our system, and it's just way louder than compassion.

00:38:51.059 --> 00:38:56.099
But compassion... tends to win the day in the

00:38:56.099 --> 00:38:59.699
end. I really hope that's where we go. It's a

00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:04.000
nice sentiment. It's not going to as well. But

00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:06.960
I believe the reason we haven't heard from anyone

00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.619
yet is because we have and the public's not allowed

00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:14.039
to know it. So there's a long history of leaks.

00:39:14.739 --> 00:39:17.300
It's like the worst kept secret in human history.

00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.320
Yes, aliens have contacted us already and every

00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.280
time anyone talks about you, you're like, oh,

00:39:22.300 --> 00:39:27.760
call us to that guy. Don't be like John Mack

00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:29.500
and interview these people. Don't even take it

00:39:29.500 --> 00:39:36.739
seriously. Relax, guy, relax. No, take it seriously.

00:39:36.820 --> 00:39:39.440
Just consider it. I'm not saying it's 100 % true,

00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:42.159
but consider it. You'll be amazed at how many

00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:44.920
times and in so many different ways this secret

00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.840
has leaked. Well, maybe that's what makes the

00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:53.980
Fermi paradox more believable because It's being

00:39:53.980 --> 00:40:00.599
kept hidden because maybe governments don't want

00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:04.800
the attention. Because maybe governments think,

00:40:05.699 --> 00:40:09.619
if someone contacted us from far away, then clearly

00:40:09.619 --> 00:40:12.739
their technology is better than ours, and therefore

00:40:12.739 --> 00:40:17.380
they are more of a danger. Yeah, any any spacecraft

00:40:17.380 --> 00:40:19.840
that could get to our solar system would be a

00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:22.559
weapon in and of itself that's capable of killing

00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:28.380
us like that kind of rocket The kind of energy

00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:32.239
required to move whatever that is here and stop

00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:37.780
insane Equal amount just You're looking at like

00:40:37.780 --> 00:40:43.449
what a Dyson sphere level power Hopefully they

00:40:43.449 --> 00:40:45.530
stop somewhere away from Earth and not like just

00:40:45.530 --> 00:40:48.869
land. I remember hearing some prototypes of how

00:40:48.869 --> 00:40:50.530
we could get to the nearest star and they were

00:40:50.530 --> 00:40:52.309
talking about, yeah, but like everything within

00:40:52.309 --> 00:40:55.949
like a one AU bubble around where we stop would

00:40:55.949 --> 00:40:58.469
pretty much be destroyed. So we should stop far

00:40:58.469 --> 00:41:02.849
away from any planet we want to look at. What

00:41:02.849 --> 00:41:08.340
do you think is the, in your opinion, what Let's

00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:12.380
talk about the Alcubierre Drive. And what is

00:41:12.380 --> 00:41:16.440
the closest thing we have to FTL capabilities,

00:41:16.460 --> 00:41:20.860
like, hypothetically? Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

00:41:21.219 --> 00:41:24.940
You're using too much fancy words. You have to

00:41:24.940 --> 00:41:27.719
tell everyone what this means. Like, what is

00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.019
the... What did you say, Ruby? The what drive?

00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:33.099
The Alcubierre Drive is very interesting. Okay,

00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:37.849
what is that? So there are two drives hypothesized

00:41:37.849 --> 00:41:41.789
now that could in theory get us up to like or

00:41:41.789 --> 00:41:44.530
close to light speed. The one, I don't know what

00:41:44.530 --> 00:41:46.710
it's called, but it's like a closed system and

00:41:46.710 --> 00:41:51.349
it's basically kind of perpetual in terms of

00:41:51.349 --> 00:41:55.010
energy because it uses electrons within itself

00:41:55.010 --> 00:42:01.559
to somehow overcome Newton's What is it Newton's

00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:03.880
first law? For every action, there is an equal

00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:06.760
and opposite reaction. So something can't push

00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:10.480
itself forward without expelling something, right?

00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:17.780
Sorry? And then say Alcubierre drive. I mentioned

00:42:17.780 --> 00:42:24.219
this before to you. It treats time and space

00:42:24.219 --> 00:42:31.199
like a travelator treats... people in an airport

00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.059
or an escalator treats people going up. It shrinks

00:42:35.059 --> 00:42:38.539
the space in front of you and stretches it out

00:42:38.539 --> 00:42:43.300
behind you. So if you walk on a travelator, you

00:42:43.300 --> 00:42:48.699
go relatively, you go much faster, but from your

00:42:48.699 --> 00:42:51.719
own perspective, you're traveling the same speed,

00:42:51.940 --> 00:42:55.579
right? So with an Alcubierre drive, a ship can

00:42:55.579 --> 00:43:00.980
gain any Any amount of forward motion will initiate

00:43:00.980 --> 00:43:05.440
this relative speed boost, right? So let's say

00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.460
hypothetically, I can shrink space in front of

00:43:08.460 --> 00:43:11.920
me and stretch it out behind me. I have the energy,

00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:16.219
the power to do that. If I am not moving forward,

00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:18.619
nothing will happen. I will remain where I am

00:43:18.619 --> 00:43:22.050
relative to everything else. But... The moment

00:43:22.050 --> 00:43:25.449
I start walking forward at any speed, I will

00:43:25.449 --> 00:43:28.409
walk forward at the speed that I am walking forward,

00:43:28.630 --> 00:43:31.329
plus the speed at which I am shrinking space

00:43:31.329 --> 00:43:36.849
in front of me. Yes. Beautiful explanation. So

00:43:36.849 --> 00:43:40.130
to add on to that, that was my understanding

00:43:40.130 --> 00:43:43.250
of our best chances of getting to the stars in

00:43:43.250 --> 00:43:46.269
an FTL manner, faster than light matter. Up until

00:43:46.269 --> 00:43:48.530
about a year ago when I started really diving

00:43:48.530 --> 00:43:52.679
into what's being discussed at the Sol conference

00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:55.079
and what some of these whistleblowers are saying.

00:43:55.539 --> 00:43:57.840
And they've actually like, they're getting into

00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.059
the nitty gritty of how these UFOs fly. And they're

00:44:01.059 --> 00:44:03.420
explaining an effect that's actually been known

00:44:03.420 --> 00:44:06.380
for about 70 years called the Bifield -Brown

00:44:06.380 --> 00:44:12.519
Effect. I highly recommend anyone look that up,

00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.559
but basically you have a capacitor. What a capacitor

00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:18.989
is, is a positive and a negative terminal. separated

00:44:18.989 --> 00:44:21.789
by some space that's an insulator. And as you

00:44:21.789 --> 00:44:23.610
charge it up, you get a lot of positive charge

00:44:23.610 --> 00:44:25.869
on one side, a lot of negative charge on the

00:44:25.869 --> 00:44:28.869
other side, and you have this really strong voltage

00:44:28.869 --> 00:44:31.690
that's being blocked from flowing by the insulator.

00:44:32.110 --> 00:44:36.050
And all you got to do to get this space shrinking

00:44:36.050 --> 00:44:39.610
effect is have an asymmetrical capacitor where

00:44:39.610 --> 00:44:42.590
the negative end is much smaller than the positive

00:44:42.590 --> 00:44:46.710
end. So you have kind of like a positive encapsulation

00:44:46.710 --> 00:44:50.829
of this negative side and charge it up to hundreds

00:44:50.829 --> 00:44:53.469
of thousands, millions of volts. And then you

00:44:53.469 --> 00:44:56.289
will get warping of space time around that. And

00:44:56.289 --> 00:44:58.389
that's the Byfield Brown effect. So you can get

00:44:58.389 --> 00:45:02.110
it with just simple electricity, simple, but

00:45:02.110 --> 00:45:05.570
high amounts. It's possible. How much electricity?

00:45:05.869 --> 00:45:11.130
Like, let's say we get a fusion reactor running.

00:45:11.250 --> 00:45:16.599
Can we make enough? I am not a scientist. I do

00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:21.059
not know. It's hard to put numbers on this thing,

00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:24.199
but I can tell you that. So off the coast of

00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:27.019
California, we have the infamous Tic Tac event

00:45:27.019 --> 00:45:30.219
where for weeks you're seeing, I mean, this happens

00:45:30.219 --> 00:45:33.960
often where craft come from space down to ocean

00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:38.000
level in just under one second. So we're talking

00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:41.219
really fast, slower than light, but still incredibly

00:45:41.219 --> 00:45:45.610
fast and stopping on a dime. Right at sea level.

00:45:46.329 --> 00:45:48.710
So they've calculated, there's a paper put out

00:45:48.710 --> 00:45:50.630
there that calculates the exact amount of energy

00:45:50.630 --> 00:45:53.429
required to make this maneuver. And it's equivalent

00:45:53.429 --> 00:45:56.010
to about a day or two of the total energy output

00:45:56.010 --> 00:45:59.630
of the United States. So it takes a lot to make

00:45:59.630 --> 00:46:01.730
these maneuvers. They have something special

00:46:01.730 --> 00:46:05.690
going on at their core. I've heard swirling mercury,

00:46:06.050 --> 00:46:10.510
I've heard fusion, I've heard element 115. There's

00:46:10.510 --> 00:46:12.579
a couple. a couple of explanations I've heard.

00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.800
It's hard to parse which one's true, but it's

00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.860
an amount that we do work with. Okay, so the

00:46:18.860 --> 00:46:23.300
TikTok event, TikTok, the TikTok, God, I just

00:46:23.300 --> 00:46:25.460
sound like an old person. See, I told you, Ruby,

00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:29.440
I'm old. I call it TikTok, but it's TikTok. During

00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:33.300
the public hearings, the congressmen were interviewing

00:46:33.300 --> 00:46:36.619
the whistleblowers. So at the TikTok event, I'm

00:46:36.619 --> 00:46:43.110
like... I should run for Congress. More than

00:46:43.110 --> 00:46:47.789
that. I'm going to read what I found in it. Because

00:46:47.789 --> 00:46:51.210
I think that's really, listen, the coolness of

00:46:51.210 --> 00:46:54.750
that name made me really interested. So in November

00:46:54.750 --> 00:47:00.289
2004 off the coast of Southern California, Navy

00:47:00.289 --> 00:47:04.010
pilots saw a white smooth object shaped like

00:47:04.010 --> 00:47:07.849
a tic tac mint. So oblong. an oblong little white

00:47:07.849 --> 00:47:11.889
thing. And it appeared suddenly at 80 ,000 feet,

00:47:11.969 --> 00:47:14.230
then dropped to sea level in less than a second,

00:47:15.250 --> 00:47:17.190
then hovered with no visible propulsion. So it

00:47:17.190 --> 00:47:19.610
just floated there. And then they sent two fighter

00:47:19.610 --> 00:47:22.510
jets to go and investigate it. And then all of

00:47:22.510 --> 00:47:25.630
a sudden, this thing, like a ping pong ball,

00:47:26.429 --> 00:47:28.309
bounced off an invisible wall. So I guess it

00:47:28.309 --> 00:47:37.460
went like, and then just disappeared. In 2020,

00:47:37.699 --> 00:47:40.539
the Pentagon officially released a video of it.

00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:44.539
I saw that. So. 2017. I have not seen it, but

00:47:44.539 --> 00:47:46.260
I'm going to check it out because that sounds

00:47:46.260 --> 00:47:48.440
pretty cool. On the front page of the New York

00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:53.019
Times, 2017. Really? Yep, front page, talking

00:47:53.019 --> 00:47:54.900
about the Black Budget Reverse Engineering Program.

00:47:56.059 --> 00:48:00.400
As early as 2017. See, when it comes to stuff

00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:05.099
like that, like I don't, this. Maybe I mentioned

00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:06.960
this before in the last podcast. I don't know.

00:48:07.579 --> 00:48:09.659
Or the one, you know, last time Ryan was on.

00:48:10.019 --> 00:48:13.579
But I don't think UFOs are not real. I just think

00:48:13.579 --> 00:48:15.639
they're not from space. And I think we're looking

00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:20.519
at the technology of some other, you know, country

00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:24.000
or government trolling some other country or

00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.820
government. Not a human government, but they're

00:48:26.820 --> 00:48:30.239
also not from space. So this tic -tac. When,

00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.320
when the fighter pilots were flying over it,

00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:34.659
they saw that underneath the water was, it looked

00:48:34.659 --> 00:48:38.019
like a 747 shaped object that it was hovering

00:48:38.019 --> 00:48:41.920
above. There are these underwater objects, they

00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:45.619
call them bases, that produce the UFOs and the

00:48:45.619 --> 00:48:47.739
UFOs launch and return to these things. There's

00:48:47.739 --> 00:48:49.980
about five or six of them, one off the coast

00:48:49.980 --> 00:48:52.860
of the Caribbean, one off the coast near Mexico.

00:48:54.139 --> 00:48:57.780
Yeah, they're really resistant to being tracked.

00:48:58.099 --> 00:49:01.349
They only really resist. release a heat signature

00:49:01.349 --> 00:49:03.489
when they're at the surface releasing a UFO.

00:49:04.070 --> 00:49:05.769
Um, but this is what some of the whistleblowers

00:49:05.769 --> 00:49:08.829
are talking about. Um, one really infamous story

00:49:08.829 --> 00:49:11.489
off the coast of Jamaica, we were testing Tomahawk

00:49:11.489 --> 00:49:13.610
cruise missiles, a dummy warhead. We're just

00:49:13.610 --> 00:49:15.730
seeing the capabilities of these missiles. Um,

00:49:15.730 --> 00:49:17.349
and it was a, there was a frog man, basically

00:49:17.349 --> 00:49:19.630
a guy who hangs from a rope. They helicopter

00:49:19.630 --> 00:49:21.730
him out and collect the missile after it's done

00:49:21.730 --> 00:49:25.130
with his test. Um, they dropped this guy down

00:49:25.130 --> 00:49:27.969
and he's hooking it onto the missile when suddenly

00:49:27.969 --> 00:49:32.349
the water starts getting dark. Big island -sized

00:49:32.349 --> 00:49:36.570
dark circle appears at the center of the warhead

00:49:36.570 --> 00:49:39.050
and the water starts turning like it's boiling.

00:49:39.550 --> 00:49:41.690
And this guy freaks out and starts climbing up

00:49:41.690 --> 00:49:44.550
the rope as fast as he can. And then just the

00:49:44.550 --> 00:49:46.829
missile goes under water and then the whole thing

00:49:46.829 --> 00:49:50.110
disappears. What is it? So the idea is it's the

00:49:50.110 --> 00:49:54.019
Kraken beating the venue. No, are you saying,

00:49:54.219 --> 00:50:00.840
but, okay, but like, I mean, I hear what you're

00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:04.780
saying, but are you also saying, underneath the

00:50:04.780 --> 00:50:08.840
water, there's some unknown civilization sending

00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:11.760
up UFOs? What congressmen are saying, this is

00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:14.099
what whistleblowers are saying, there was a larp

00:50:14.099 --> 00:50:16.840
on 4chan, maybe a larp, maybe a fruit seller,

00:50:17.260 --> 00:50:21.539
there was like 20 June, we posted a really long...

00:50:22.609 --> 00:50:25.190
detail account of what's going on. And that his

00:50:25.190 --> 00:50:27.329
last sentence was, you'll keep coming back to

00:50:27.329 --> 00:50:29.469
this post as whistleblowers say what's happening.

00:50:29.869 --> 00:50:32.070
Cause this will become truer and truer. And it's

00:50:32.070 --> 00:50:33.869
true over the last three years. I keep going

00:50:33.869 --> 00:50:35.469
back to that post. I'm like, Oh yeah, that got

00:50:35.469 --> 00:50:38.250
released. That got released. So at the very least,

00:50:38.469 --> 00:50:40.050
this guy knew what the whistleblowers were going

00:50:40.050 --> 00:50:42.409
to say. The whistleblowers are lying. He's in

00:50:42.409 --> 00:50:44.230
on the lie. If the whistleblowers are telling

00:50:44.230 --> 00:50:46.969
on the truth, he is in on the truth. But what

00:50:46.969 --> 00:50:50.659
he said on 4chan. has this rung truer and truer

00:50:50.659 --> 00:50:54.199
every time something new leaks. And he says there

00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:57.059
are these platforms that exist under the ocean

00:50:57.059 --> 00:50:59.719
and they're the source of these UFOs we see.

00:51:00.300 --> 00:51:10.820
It was a movie about this, wasn't there? I mean,

00:51:11.260 --> 00:51:12.780
these platforms could exist, but who do they

00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:19.719
belong to is the bigger question. How how can

00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.340
the world not know how can you know, I don't

00:51:22.340 --> 00:51:25.199
know Let's say the u .s. How can how can you

00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:28.159
not find out? What's under the water already?

00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:33.280
Is there another country who's more technologically

00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:36.880
advanced? You hear so many people say oh the

00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:38.739
ocean's not been mapped. We've only mapped 30

00:51:38.739 --> 00:51:42.780
% of the ocean Yeah, fair enough. Don't think

00:51:42.780 --> 00:51:45.260
satellites bi -tech that we're not even allowed

00:51:45.260 --> 00:51:47.980
to know about circling the earth and we haven't

00:51:47.980 --> 00:51:51.519
mapped That just sounds like such huge conspiracy

00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:55.460
though. We have submarines with patrolling every

00:51:55.460 --> 00:51:57.539
corner of the ocean constantly in case we want

00:51:57.539 --> 00:52:00.579
to nuke somebody. We haven't mapped the ocean.

00:52:02.460 --> 00:52:04.760
We haven't mapped the ocean, okay, fair enough.

00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:11.079
But if one country, one government has some secret

00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:16.250
base in the ocean, how could they? not be so

00:52:16.250 --> 00:52:18.429
technologically advanced or more technologically

00:52:18.429 --> 00:52:22.929
advanced than other nations. How could you not

00:52:22.929 --> 00:52:27.829
see or suspect that if there's some kind of secret

00:52:27.829 --> 00:52:30.510
base or whatever under the ocean, oh, it must

00:52:30.510 --> 00:52:32.230
belong to this country because they're the most

00:52:32.230 --> 00:52:35.170
advanced. I just don't see that kind of, I can't

00:52:35.170 --> 00:52:39.730
see with all of the countries in the world fighting

00:52:39.730 --> 00:52:46.909
for whatever resources. not being able to, you

00:52:46.909 --> 00:52:50.230
know, sniff out that there's some kind of secret

00:52:50.230 --> 00:52:53.909
base under the ocean. It's been here. It's been

00:52:53.909 --> 00:52:57.150
here. It's like Illuminati -level stuff. 1897

00:52:57.150 --> 00:53:00.090
Aurora, Texas incident. We already had a UFO

00:53:00.090 --> 00:53:02.750
crash into a church and the newspapers reported

00:53:02.750 --> 00:53:05.929
some stellar astronaut that they recovered. This

00:53:05.929 --> 00:53:11.050
is 1897. Did I say 19? 1897. He said, yeah. Wait,

00:53:11.050 --> 00:53:13.090
what is it called? Tell me again. What's it called?

00:53:13.230 --> 00:53:21.829
I'm gonna look it up. Aurora Texas UFO. Whatever,

00:53:21.949 --> 00:53:24.030
we'll find it. Very well known. Let's check out

00:53:24.030 --> 00:53:27.409
the newspaper, something on Wikipedia. April

00:53:27.409 --> 00:53:30.590
17th, 1897, you're right. 50 years before the

00:53:30.590 --> 00:53:35.150
Roswell incident. Okay. Cigar -shaped airship.

00:53:35.170 --> 00:53:37.889
The country would have that technology back in

00:53:37.889 --> 00:53:42.239
the 1800s. Yeah, I mean there's actually a series

00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:44.599
of papers coming out there one just came out

00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:47.820
last week that was looking at astronomy plate

00:53:47.820 --> 00:53:51.659
from the early 1900s to like 1940 before Sputnik

00:53:51.659 --> 00:53:55.300
basically and they found that Earth had satellites

00:53:55.300 --> 00:53:59.719
before Sputnik And so it's been they're working

00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:02.940
really hard to classify What are these things

00:54:02.940 --> 00:54:05.599
they found? Yes, they exhibit a shadow first

00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.960
shadow goes over them. So they're definitely

00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.780
not stars They're definitely objects going around

00:54:10.780 --> 00:54:13.079
Earth, and then they're looking at correlations.

00:54:13.219 --> 00:54:16.059
When do these objects appear and disappear? They're

00:54:16.059 --> 00:54:18.539
heavily correlated when there's nuclear tests,

00:54:19.059 --> 00:54:21.000
heavily correlated with some of the events like

00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:23.840
the Washington, T .C. UFO event. These things

00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:26.380
appear and disappear, but they're definitely

00:54:26.380 --> 00:54:29.519
orbiting Earth. The Earth had satellites before

00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:34.280
space. That is confusing. What are we? Yeah.

00:54:35.500 --> 00:54:38.519
Fair. I go the other way. I think when these

00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:40.980
things happen in history, you know, we have to

00:54:40.980 --> 00:54:46.159
question where they're happening and who they're

00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:49.380
happening to. And, you know, obviously, well,

00:54:49.380 --> 00:54:51.420
we could say when they're happening. But like,

00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.699
is it possible that whatever this town was, what,

00:54:55.820 --> 00:54:58.539
back in the day, how well known was this town?

00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:03.780
How big was it? And, you know, were there motivations

00:55:03.780 --> 00:55:08.639
of this town to draw attention to it. We cut

00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:11.679
for whatever reason. Maybe it was failing and

00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:13.500
they wanted attention for whatever reason. So

00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:15.219
they created this big story so everyone would

00:55:15.219 --> 00:55:17.679
come and see. Maybe it was a dying town. It's

00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:20.159
possible because they were slated to have a train

00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:24.940
stop there, one of the intercontinental railroad

00:55:24.940 --> 00:55:28.199
train stops and then that got cancelled. So they

00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:30.539
were really expecting a boom when they got a

00:55:30.539 --> 00:55:34.579
bus around that. So that has been one explanation

00:55:34.579 --> 00:55:36.860
of why they would do that. But then again, where

00:55:36.860 --> 00:55:39.719
did they get the story? Why was the idea of flying

00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:44.360
saucers or dirgeables existing back then? How

00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:47.920
famous were, like, how popular were UFOs in,

00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:51.860
like, the American zeitgeist, I guess, at the

00:55:51.860 --> 00:55:55.239
time? Was it a big part of popular culture? UFO

00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:57.340
sightings. That was right around the airship

00:55:57.340 --> 00:55:59.440
wave time. Apparently there were dirgeables flying

00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:02.199
everywhere around the United States for about

00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:05.719
10 years leading up to that event. Okay. Well,

00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:07.739
there you go. That's something. Talk to my grandma

00:56:07.739 --> 00:56:11.000
about it. She said back in the 30s, she saw some

00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:14.559
saucers flying around New York. Have we talked

00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:19.260
about our experiences with flying saucers? Did

00:56:19.260 --> 00:56:21.380
we talk about that in the last one? Have you

00:56:21.380 --> 00:56:25.679
had experience? Nope. Yeah, I actually do. I

00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:29.139
still don't believe it in like, I can say I remember

00:56:29.139 --> 00:56:34.159
an experience of when I was young. I know. Me

00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:38.260
of all people. But I do remember one and I don't

00:56:38.260 --> 00:56:40.920
you know I don't know if this is it now that

00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:43.300
I the more I think about it the more I think

00:56:43.300 --> 00:56:46.980
was I dreaming because I haven't I haven't Spoken

00:56:46.980 --> 00:56:48.659
about it for so long or remembered it, but I

00:56:48.659 --> 00:56:53.760
can say when I was young Like really young maybe

00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:59.659
Between 10 and 12 years old in my neighborhood

00:56:59.659 --> 00:57:05.710
my friend and I we went outside one day and This

00:57:05.710 --> 00:57:08.289
is the mid -afternoon in the summertime. We went

00:57:08.289 --> 00:57:10.789
outside and we had left his house and we just

00:57:10.789 --> 00:57:15.969
looked up in the sky and we saw, imagine three

00:57:15.969 --> 00:57:20.550
triangles joined together. No, it would be four

00:57:20.550 --> 00:57:22.989
triangles. So there's the head and the body and

00:57:22.989 --> 00:57:25.530
then the two triangles to the side. The way it

00:57:25.530 --> 00:57:27.630
moved was it was in the sky and it was gray and

00:57:27.630 --> 00:57:30.820
it was like bending and swerving. And it looked

00:57:30.820 --> 00:57:33.199
mechanical to us, and we were fascinated by it.

00:57:33.219 --> 00:57:34.340
We were like, whoa, what's that in the sky? Look

00:57:34.340 --> 00:57:38.440
at it, wow, amazing. Now, we saw that, and then

00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:41.480
we went in to go tell his mother, and then we

00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:43.639
went back outside and it was gone. Now, that's

00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:45.400
what I remember from my childhood. Now, I don't

00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:47.920
remember, but what I don't remember is, was it

00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:50.079
a dream? I don't remember it being a dream, but

00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:52.440
I do remember the experience. So that was the

00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:57.320
one experience I had in my life with a UFO. I

00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.559
don't think it was a dream. But for some reason,

00:58:01.260 --> 00:58:03.320
the older I get and the more I remember it, I

00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:07.519
think it seems really absurd. So it must have

00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.840
been a dream when I was a kid, but it's so vivid.

00:58:11.219 --> 00:58:12.920
The only way I would remember, the only way I

00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:15.340
could verify it is if I spoke to that friend,

00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:17.380
but I have no idea where he is in the world.

00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:23.159
You got men in black flashed. That's what happened.

00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:30.119
Yeah, maybe. But I do remember that. I still,

00:58:30.219 --> 00:58:33.860
I'm like, you know, that's my childhood neighborhood.

00:58:34.019 --> 00:58:35.760
I still, when I go back home, you know, that's

00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:38.320
where my mom lives. So I know the exact house.

00:58:38.619 --> 00:58:42.000
I could stand in the exact same spot and look

00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.039
in the exact same direction. That's how well

00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:46.679
I remember it. So that's why I don't suspect

00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:50.340
it was a dream. And then I suspect it was a real

00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:53.460
experience. But still, I don't know. What was

00:58:53.460 --> 00:58:55.840
it? Hard to say. A very strange shaped thing.

00:58:56.039 --> 00:59:00.340
Yeah, it was hard to say. It really, it's a very

00:59:00.340 --> 00:59:03.119
blurry line between UFOs and crystals. Like if

00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:06.840
you look at Kinwalker Ranch, facing UFOs all

00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:10.239
the time, but they also see people walking around.

00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:17.320
So it comes in a very broad spectrum of observables.

00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:21.019
And only now have we begun to actually classify

00:59:21.019 --> 00:59:24.030
them. There's a group. private company called

00:59:24.030 --> 00:59:27.489
sky watchers that, um, has been trying to group

00:59:27.489 --> 00:59:31.710
them based on category, like the five, the four,

00:59:31.849 --> 00:59:36.610
five observables, no sound, instantaneous acceleration,

00:59:36.989 --> 00:59:40.730
bright lights, forget the other ones. Oh, ability

00:59:40.730 --> 00:59:44.070
to cloak, I think was one. But yeah, there's

00:59:44.070 --> 00:59:46.909
like nine, 10 categories, um, based on shapes.

00:59:47.090 --> 00:59:49.230
So you got the triangular shaped ones. Triangles

00:59:49.230 --> 00:59:51.690
seem to be really common. I always liken it to

00:59:51.690 --> 00:59:54.099
a. Three points of contact is the most stable.

00:59:54.380 --> 00:59:57.420
You can't balance on two or one. But once you

00:59:57.420 --> 01:00:00.440
have three points, you're able to balance. Seems

01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:06.500
to be the simplest, ideal way of moving. I hope

01:00:06.500 --> 01:00:08.579
it was real, Luigi, because you'll finally be

01:00:08.579 --> 01:00:14.500
able to... I am a believer. I believe in UFOs.

01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:17.460
I just don't think aliens from other countries

01:00:17.460 --> 01:00:22.119
have come to visit us. Not other countries, Luigi,

01:00:22.219 --> 01:00:25.039
other planets. Oh, did I say other countries?

01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:28.500
Yeah. Are you an alien? Well, yeah, other planets.

01:00:28.699 --> 01:00:33.559
You think planets are... This is why you're just

01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:36.400
trying to perpetuate the... Watch a little Star

01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.340
Trek, where the future is very civilized. Who

01:00:39.340 --> 01:00:44.360
watches more Star Trek? You do, Ruby. You nerd.

01:00:45.099 --> 01:00:48.719
Ruby, do you have any UFO experiences? None.

01:00:50.070 --> 01:00:52.909
But that's because I already believe. I don't

01:00:52.909 --> 01:00:56.190
need to be convinced, I'm sure. So you're saying

01:00:56.190 --> 01:00:59.150
because you believe, you don't need to be convinced.

01:00:59.469 --> 01:01:01.530
It's not about that. It's just about experiencing

01:01:01.530 --> 01:01:02.630
something. I'm not trying to convince myself.

01:01:02.650 --> 01:01:03.949
Yeah, that's not how belief works right now,

01:01:03.949 --> 01:01:07.449
of course. Now, I wish I have seen UFOs, but

01:01:07.449 --> 01:01:10.269
I have not seen a UFO. I think I'm always looking

01:01:10.269 --> 01:01:13.210
at my phone. That's the problem. They're all

01:01:13.210 --> 01:01:18.269
around me. Yeah, UFO sightings are fewer and

01:01:18.269 --> 01:01:23.849
fewer nowadays. Yeah, why? I don't believe we

01:01:23.849 --> 01:01:27.630
finally saw something unidentified last year.

01:01:28.190 --> 01:01:29.989
Right in the middle of the New Jersey drones.

01:01:30.050 --> 01:01:31.769
Did you guys hear about the New Jersey drone

01:01:31.769 --> 01:01:38.170
incident? No? No. Explain. November last year

01:01:38.170 --> 01:01:41.769
till about January last year was when the Everyone

01:01:41.769 --> 01:01:43.590
was going crazy. But basically there are these

01:01:43.590 --> 01:01:46.590
objects coming out of the ocean, flying over

01:01:46.590 --> 01:01:49.750
homes in New Jersey, United States, and flying

01:01:49.750 --> 01:01:51.530
back into the ocean. But sometimes they'd go

01:01:51.530 --> 01:01:55.010
land on airports. They'd fly over military bases

01:01:55.010 --> 01:01:57.389
and everyone's complaining like, why aren't we

01:01:57.389 --> 01:02:00.090
doing anything? What are these things? FAA said

01:02:00.090 --> 01:02:02.849
we have no idea what they are. The government

01:02:02.849 --> 01:02:05.230
at the time said they're probably some foreign

01:02:05.230 --> 01:02:09.050
actor, but we can't confirm that. And we just...

01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:11.619
allowed them to land at airports, shut down the

01:02:11.619 --> 01:02:14.619
airports and they just could go over our military

01:02:14.619 --> 01:02:18.019
bases. We wouldn't attack them. So like we wanted

01:02:18.019 --> 01:02:20.019
an explanation. Trump said, Oh, for sure. When

01:02:20.019 --> 01:02:22.960
I get in in January, February, I'll tell you

01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:25.019
what it is. And then he came in and said, Oh,

01:02:25.340 --> 01:02:27.300
they're all just drones. Don't worry about it.

01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:30.639
Um, and meanwhile, ever since then the drones

01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:32.420
have never stopped. They're still flying over

01:02:32.420 --> 01:02:35.940
New Jersey. And I was up just north of New Jersey

01:02:35.940 --> 01:02:39.420
at the time. And I saw. Um, from the, I mean,

01:02:39.420 --> 01:02:41.239
I'm kind of looking up at the sky at night, but

01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:43.539
I see an orange streak go from the top of my

01:02:43.539 --> 01:02:46.300
vision all the way down to ground level, um,

01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:49.480
over about a second. I don't know what it was,

01:02:49.500 --> 01:02:53.880
but it wasn't fiery. It was just a nice orange

01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:58.500
homogenous line. It was very linear, very fast,

01:02:59.260 --> 01:03:01.860
hard to, hard to give a prosaic explanation to

01:03:01.860 --> 01:03:05.659
it. But like, meanwhile, these drones. Maybe

01:03:05.659 --> 01:03:08.300
you've heard about the drones over in Europe

01:03:08.300 --> 01:03:12.619
right now? You hear about those guys? So over

01:03:12.619 --> 01:03:15.619
the last two weeks, there have been drones flying

01:03:15.619 --> 01:03:20.480
out of the ocean again onto airports in Denmark,

01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:28.019
France, Germany, Netherlands, Amsterdam. I'm

01:03:28.019 --> 01:03:31.300
missing another country. There's Latvia, Latvia.

01:03:32.750 --> 01:03:36.130
Again, we're having these drones fly out of the

01:03:36.130 --> 01:03:38.849
ocean, land on airports, shutting down the airports.

01:03:39.309 --> 01:03:43.010
Lights get delayed. People take pictures. I saw

01:03:43.010 --> 01:03:44.849
one picture from the UK. It looks like just an

01:03:44.849 --> 01:03:47.230
orb hovering about a few feet off the runway,

01:03:47.309 --> 01:03:52.110
just sitting there. Just menacingly. But the

01:03:52.110 --> 01:03:54.610
Danish authorities originally said they're drones

01:03:54.610 --> 01:03:57.269
and then retracted that statement. And so you

01:03:57.269 --> 01:03:59.750
can watch an interview live. They said they're

01:03:59.750 --> 01:04:03.099
just observers. That's what they are. They originally

01:04:03.099 --> 01:04:05.960
blamed Russia, but Russia's Putin got on is like,

01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:09.179
okay, I'll stop sending the UFOs Yeah, it's not

01:04:09.179 --> 01:04:13.179
Russia We're getting saying their drones like

01:04:13.179 --> 01:04:15.219
that. Don't worry. There's some hobbyists flying

01:04:15.219 --> 01:04:17.280
over airport. We're not gonna attack them We'll

01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:23.539
let them fly back into the ocean It's happening

01:04:23.539 --> 01:04:26.099
all around the world and people don't get to

01:04:26.099 --> 01:04:28.400
hear about they're here. They're interacting

01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:31.119
with us We just don't get to hear about it. We

01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:32.960
pay attention to the news and then you can tell

01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:38.460
us what to think. Here's what I think. Now, I

01:04:38.460 --> 01:04:41.639
take a more pragmatic approach. Governments are

01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:44.280
saying, oh, they're just drones. But I think

01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:48.539
the government's doing that because they want

01:04:48.539 --> 01:04:52.920
to avoid panic. So there's a good possibility,

01:04:53.219 --> 01:04:55.380
not that they're visitors from another planet,

01:04:55.420 --> 01:04:59.619
but that they are. you know, technology sent

01:04:59.619 --> 01:05:05.400
to do whatever, spy on other countries, you know,

01:05:05.739 --> 01:05:10.780
practice some kind of military whatever. And

01:05:10.780 --> 01:05:12.639
governments know this, but they know if they

01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:15.559
tell people, it'll cause a whole bunch of other

01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:19.699
problems. So, I mean, you know, when you're in

01:05:19.699 --> 01:05:21.519
the government, what do you want to do? Do you

01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:23.639
want your citizenry to panic, or do you want

01:05:23.639 --> 01:05:28.199
to make up a lie? to keep them calm. Because

01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:33.519
if you can... Well, it sounds like a more reasonable

01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:37.679
conspiracy. Even like the drones in... Was it

01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:41.519
New Jersey? Was that it? Was that what you said,

01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:44.440
New Jersey? Trying to check my notes. Anyway,

01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:47.880
the point is, it's the same sentiment. Like,

01:05:49.179 --> 01:05:53.619
there's this technology that is from an enemy.

01:05:54.949 --> 01:05:59.590
They don't want the country to know. Because

01:05:59.590 --> 01:06:04.190
then what happens? It'll just cause panic. Uh

01:06:04.190 --> 01:06:06.369
-oh, what happened? Am I cut off? Are you guys

01:06:06.369 --> 01:06:08.789
hearing me? No, no, no. I'm trying to think about

01:06:08.789 --> 01:06:11.489
how to respond. Where is Ryan? It's more believable.

01:06:12.610 --> 01:06:17.690
He's stuck. He's been abducted! He's gone! Oh,

01:06:17.690 --> 01:06:23.739
no! I figure he's... They took him away. They

01:06:23.739 --> 01:06:27.119
said, they said, Ryan, you know the secret. I

01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:30.039
hope we didn't lose his. Oh, there we go. You're

01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:32.619
back. Ah, they couldn't stand him. I just got

01:06:32.619 --> 01:06:34.880
completely removed and it said upload complete.

01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:39.639
It's the government. It said upload complete,

01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:46.900
did it? Yeah. Okay, good. I didn't push any buttons.

01:06:46.940 --> 01:06:48.619
It just said, all right, he's broken enough.

01:06:48.699 --> 01:06:55.610
We don't want to let them know. You've been on

01:06:55.610 --> 01:06:59.650
99 competition rates all the way, so that's good.

01:07:00.869 --> 01:07:03.530
That's why we have a government, to ensure social

01:07:03.530 --> 01:07:06.889
stability, so that would be their job. It still

01:07:06.889 --> 01:07:08.969
doesn't explain why we don't attack them for

01:07:08.969 --> 01:07:11.190
flying over our military bases. If it's Russia,

01:07:11.670 --> 01:07:13.550
then we should be defending ourselves. If it's

01:07:13.550 --> 01:07:16.409
ours, why the hell are we shutting down our own

01:07:16.409 --> 01:07:19.510
airports? We're just causing panic. Because it's

01:07:19.510 --> 01:07:22.309
kind of like, I mean, governments are good at

01:07:22.309 --> 01:07:25.309
playing dumb to other governments. They don't

01:07:25.309 --> 01:07:28.130
want them to let on, so, you know, they'll play

01:07:28.130 --> 01:07:31.750
stupid. They have to be more cunning. I find

01:07:31.750 --> 01:07:36.190
that's usually how people, or rather, espionage

01:07:36.190 --> 01:07:38.630
works. So, yes, it's happening to most of Europe

01:07:38.630 --> 01:07:40.230
and the United States, so you could point the

01:07:40.230 --> 01:07:42.250
finger at Russia, but that doesn't explain why

01:07:42.250 --> 01:07:46.489
we're not attacking them. Well, I think... Okay,

01:07:46.730 --> 01:07:49.219
so... There could be governments, but I think

01:07:49.219 --> 01:07:51.780
maybe in that instance, it could also be just

01:07:51.780 --> 01:07:54.119
like a bunch of people with drones. They're coming

01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:56.559
out of the ocean. You can see them coming out

01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:59.539
of the ocean. How do we know they're coming out

01:07:59.539 --> 01:08:01.199
of the ocean? Nobody sees them come out of the

01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:04.019
ocean. They might like look. So we have a lot

01:08:04.019 --> 01:08:06.000
of, a lot of your photos have been seen along

01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:10.019
the east coast too. Okay. They literally see

01:08:10.019 --> 01:08:12.159
them come out of the water. They come out of

01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:14.800
the water, go fly over airports. They like airports

01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:16.880
or something. And then go back into the water.

01:08:18.029 --> 01:08:20.470
Then in that place in that case, I do believe

01:08:20.470 --> 01:08:23.529
it is like other governments testing their military

01:08:23.529 --> 01:08:31.489
technology Don't you think it's it's a better

01:08:31.489 --> 01:08:33.670
don't you think it's a better idea for governments

01:08:33.670 --> 01:08:36.670
to say yeah Let's make them believe that we're

01:08:36.670 --> 01:08:39.449
dumb enough to think they're UFOs and then they're

01:08:39.449 --> 01:08:41.529
good and then our enemies are gonna think they've

01:08:41.529 --> 01:08:45.380
got You know the advantage That's another angle

01:08:45.380 --> 01:08:48.020
that aliens did visit us in the past, but now

01:08:48.020 --> 01:08:50.220
they're just being used by government to explain

01:08:50.220 --> 01:08:53.239
their tech. Aliens don't really want anything

01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:55.739
to do with the same work. Here's what I think.

01:08:56.020 --> 01:09:01.300
Again, yes, life does exist outside in space,

01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:07.079
but in the past, UFOs or whatever had to do with

01:09:07.079 --> 01:09:09.960
places wanting to grab attention for whatever

01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:14.460
reason, and then it became... people wanting

01:09:14.460 --> 01:09:17.239
to grab attention for whatever reason, because

01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:19.899
they're bored maybe, and then the possibility

01:09:19.899 --> 01:09:25.699
of governments wanting to have a, you know, one

01:09:25.699 --> 01:09:27.939
-up on other governments testing military technology.

01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:33.520
That's what I think. But. There's probably a

01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:37.659
lot of all of those, right? It would be advantageous

01:09:37.659 --> 01:09:40.520
for a government to utilize the fact that aliens

01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:44.479
exist. or their own cover. So yeah, the answer

01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:50.159
is probably all of you. So how about 3i Atlas?

01:09:50.699 --> 01:09:54.760
Have you ever heard of 3i Atlas? No. 3i Atlas,

01:09:54.819 --> 01:09:57.859
comet flying through our solar system right now,

01:09:58.260 --> 01:10:00.800
interstellar. Is there an interstellar comet

01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:03.100
flying through our solar system right now? I'm

01:10:03.100 --> 01:10:06.699
not sure. Third interstellar object that we've

01:10:06.699 --> 01:10:12.020
ever detected, supposedly. It's interesting.

01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:16.180
I say comet, but like as a scientist, we deal

01:10:16.180 --> 01:10:18.880
with uncertainty. We lay all the hypotheses on

01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:22.220
the table and we assign percentages to each of

01:10:22.220 --> 01:10:26.340
them. So we see an object flying in space. 99

01:10:26.340 --> 01:10:29.819
.999 % chance it's a comet or an asteroid because

01:10:29.819 --> 01:10:32.060
that's what the rest of the objects we observe

01:10:32.060 --> 01:10:36.140
are. But then as we collect more data, we refine

01:10:36.140 --> 01:10:39.859
our percentages and this comet really weird.

01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:42.619
It's displaying none of the properties that comets

01:10:42.619 --> 01:10:45.880
normally display. For example, it's interstellar.

01:10:45.939 --> 01:10:48.199
So we've only seen three objects ever enter our

01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:51.039
solar system from outside of our solar system.

01:10:52.460 --> 01:10:55.560
It's entering at a really interesting angle because

01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:57.699
you got your solar system. I'm going to draw

01:10:57.699 --> 01:10:59.840
it this way. We're all orbiting the sun at the

01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:04.779
center. But we travel this way through this way,

01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:08.449
through the Milky Way. So the object actually

01:11:08.449 --> 01:11:14.449
entered from the center to our planetary orbit.

01:11:14.930 --> 01:11:17.590
So it's like it's got shot straight from the

01:11:17.590 --> 01:11:20.930
center of the Milky Way to our solar system instead

01:11:20.930 --> 01:11:25.909
of being in the path of us flying. Wow, that's

01:11:25.909 --> 01:11:29.930
very interesting. Somehow, not only did it have

01:11:29.930 --> 01:11:32.399
this really interesting path, But it also has

01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:35.439
the perfect path to pass, pass by three of our

01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:38.880
planets. So it passed by Mars already. It's going

01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:41.260
to pass by Jupiter. It's also going to pass.

01:11:41.500 --> 01:11:45.340
Oh no, shoot. Keep talking. It's okay. And it's

01:11:45.340 --> 01:11:49.500
going to pass by, you know, so it seems to be

01:11:49.500 --> 01:11:55.319
on a cruise, a tour of the solar system. Really

01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.260
low, really low probability that an object from

01:11:58.260 --> 01:12:00.220
outside of our solar system happens to be in

01:12:00.220 --> 01:12:03.470
a path. that's within our orbital plane, basically,

01:12:03.670 --> 01:12:06.250
so that it can actually check out our planets

01:12:06.250 --> 01:12:09.649
by flyby. So that's another interesting thing.

01:12:09.970 --> 01:12:17.010
You've probably seen comets with tails as the

01:12:17.010 --> 01:12:20.529
sun, as something flies past the sun, you'll

01:12:20.529 --> 01:12:25.149
have a tail pointed away from the sun at all

01:12:25.149 --> 01:12:28.130
times, because the solar waves are blasting stuff

01:12:28.130 --> 01:12:32.989
off of the comet. for some reason Comet and keep

01:12:32.989 --> 01:12:35.149
calling it Comet because it's still probably

01:12:35.149 --> 01:12:40.029
a comet. Had a tail pointed at the Sun. So it's

01:12:40.029 --> 01:12:44.069
as though a flag is billowing into the wind instead

01:12:44.069 --> 01:12:48.970
of with the wind. There's no wind in space. There's

01:12:48.970 --> 01:12:51.489
solar wind. The Sun is constantly shutting stuff

01:12:51.489 --> 01:12:55.529
off. So that's blasting stuff off the comet and

01:12:55.529 --> 01:12:58.020
making a tail. But this thing has an even bigger

01:12:58.020 --> 01:13:01.600
anti -tail. It starts just flying off of it towards

01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:05.659
the sun. How is it injecting stuff like that

01:13:05.659 --> 01:13:10.140
against the wind? I don't know, but it just recently

01:13:10.140 --> 01:13:13.159
stopped doing that. It's right now just flying

01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:16.600
behind the sun out of our view. And of course

01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:19.079
that's right when the government shutdown is

01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:21.380
happening. So we're not getting any data from

01:13:21.380 --> 01:13:25.640
NASA or ESA. Really graining pictures. Apparently

01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:28.779
Congress Got an emergency update about this when

01:13:28.779 --> 01:13:30.960
it was first discovered. I don't know why they

01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:34.100
had to have a meeting about a comment with the

01:13:34.100 --> 01:13:36.920
Congress. Um, but there's other properties that

01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:40.760
make this comment. Interesting for one is green.

01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:45.000
It's glowing bright green. Uh, normally when

01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:47.640
we look out and say, um, if you've seen some

01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:49.659
metals, they're always mixed, right? You don't,

01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:51.920
you don't see like one metal and not others.

01:13:52.180 --> 01:13:55.420
Um, in particular iron and nickel are always.

01:13:55.630 --> 01:13:58.050
Together because they're the two most stable

01:13:58.050 --> 01:14:00.829
atoms on the periodic table. Yeah, you're any

01:14:00.829 --> 01:14:05.350
nickel. Yep. Yeah The furthest from radioactive

01:14:05.350 --> 01:14:08.430
decay they are stable gonna last there until

01:14:08.430 --> 01:14:11.970
the end of time basically And when when iron

01:14:11.970 --> 01:14:14.010
is made nickels also made like they're made in

01:14:14.010 --> 01:14:16.710
about equal proportion So when you see iron you

01:14:16.710 --> 01:14:18.869
see nickel you look at a star and it's got iron

01:14:18.869 --> 01:14:21.470
in it It also has nickel you look at a comment

01:14:21.470 --> 01:14:25.289
has iron. It also has nickel This comet has just

01:14:25.289 --> 01:14:29.869
nickel. Refined nickel, with very little iron.

01:14:30.489 --> 01:14:34.369
Here's a question. You were saying the ejection,

01:14:34.550 --> 01:14:38.609
it was doing an ejection plume? And it's got

01:14:38.609 --> 01:14:42.109
tail. So the tail was the wrong way around, like

01:14:42.109 --> 01:14:44.670
it was slowing down? It's got a normal comet

01:14:44.670 --> 01:14:46.270
tail and it's got one that's pointed towards

01:14:46.270 --> 01:14:48.829
the sun, which just disappeared a couple days

01:14:48.829 --> 01:14:55.500
ago. Because if the plume is against the wind,

01:14:55.779 --> 01:14:58.600
the only thing that it can mean is that the comet

01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:02.020
is... Well, the most logical thing that it can

01:15:02.020 --> 01:15:04.680
mean is that the comet is slowing down, that

01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:08.260
it's an ejection plume for a reverse thrust.

01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:11.739
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It's very possible.

01:15:13.380 --> 01:15:16.760
It is possible. Again, if it's a comet, we don't

01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:19.520
have any explanation for this. All I hear is

01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:21.500
going around on the internet is, oh, well, it's

01:15:21.500 --> 01:15:23.579
an interstellar comet. So we really don't know

01:15:23.579 --> 01:15:25.939
how other rocks behave. We only know how our

01:15:25.939 --> 01:15:31.260
rocks behave. I mean, it's pretty cool if it's

01:15:31.260 --> 01:15:33.939
an interstellar comet. Interstellar things sound

01:15:33.939 --> 01:15:40.819
pretty cool. We have another object in our solar

01:15:40.819 --> 01:15:44.500
system, don't we? The like black floating...

01:15:45.849 --> 01:15:49.029
Well, there's one, again, we had a Harvard professor

01:15:49.029 --> 01:15:52.710
who's going against the grain, Avi Lo, and releasing

01:15:52.710 --> 01:15:55.590
a lot of information about it. He's studying

01:15:55.590 --> 01:15:58.729
intently, and like a true scientist, keeping

01:15:58.729 --> 01:16:00.630
all the hypotheses on the table, he's saying

01:16:00.630 --> 01:16:03.050
it's pretty likely to be a comet, but there's

01:16:03.050 --> 01:16:05.390
a non -zero chance of some mailing in the press.

01:16:05.630 --> 01:16:08.289
Now let's look at all the hypotheses and see

01:16:08.289 --> 01:16:10.789
what the data shows, which ones get supported

01:16:10.789 --> 01:16:14.430
more or less. And he's getting character assassinated

01:16:14.430 --> 01:16:17.890
left and right. We want him fired. It's the same

01:16:17.890 --> 01:16:20.630
thing that happened to John Mapp. If you are

01:16:20.630 --> 01:16:23.670
a scientist and even consider that Ewing might

01:16:23.670 --> 01:16:27.189
exist, you need to be fired, removed, and disregarded.

01:16:27.510 --> 01:16:30.090
I see people online saying, don't read his book,

01:16:30.310 --> 01:16:34.350
don't say anything, don't consider data. That

01:16:34.350 --> 01:16:37.090
is wrong thinking. You are wrong thinking if

01:16:37.090 --> 01:16:41.649
you think they're good. Well, I can understand

01:16:41.649 --> 01:16:44.109
that because I see where they're coming from.

01:16:44.220 --> 01:16:48.739
Because if there's no like, what's the word?

01:16:50.180 --> 01:16:54.880
If there's no real like, I don't know, faculty

01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:58.420
of study for these things, you have this person

01:16:58.420 --> 01:17:01.640
who is going out on their own and doing this

01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:05.180
research and then publishing without other peers

01:17:05.180 --> 01:17:10.560
to scrutinize it, then you do risk a lot of misinformation.

01:17:11.340 --> 01:17:13.479
and even disinformation. So I can understand

01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:15.840
why they'd be like, no, don't believe them, get

01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:18.560
out of here. We're not ready to make that a field.

01:17:19.380 --> 01:17:22.579
Like that is his job. He looks at objects in

01:17:22.579 --> 01:17:24.800
our solar system and classifies them. He's a

01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:27.359
comet and asteroid researcher. So his papers

01:17:27.359 --> 01:17:30.279
lay down, what is it? What are the characteristics?

01:17:30.619 --> 01:17:33.880
And he says it's most likely a comet. But he

01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:36.439
also says like, this is very interesting displays.

01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:39.060
And if it were a craft, this is how the data

01:17:39.060 --> 01:17:43.399
would fit that hypothesis. And so it's what we

01:17:43.399 --> 01:17:46.039
should be doing. It's, it's now that we have

01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:47.859
these whistleblowers coming out, we should be

01:17:47.859 --> 01:17:50.000
stepping back, looking at things holistically,

01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:52.600
like, okay, if these whistleblowers are what

01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:55.659
they're saying is true and aliens are real, how

01:17:55.659 --> 01:17:58.960
does that support this hypothesis too? Like holistically,

01:17:59.020 --> 01:18:00.800
how does all of this data come together? It's

01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:02.979
not just, oh, we have a, we have this object

01:18:02.979 --> 01:18:06.340
in space. Let's just look at it in isolation.

01:18:07.060 --> 01:18:09.850
No, there's, there's a lot of. lines of evidence

01:18:09.850 --> 01:18:12.350
all pointing to this hypothesis that we are not

01:18:12.350 --> 01:18:20.050
alone. And so now just five days ago, NASA quietly

01:18:20.050 --> 01:18:24.270
pushed the international asteroid protection.

01:18:25.850 --> 01:18:30.270
I forgot the acronym, but basically it's a worldwide

01:18:30.270 --> 01:18:34.149
group of astronomers that if there's ever an

01:18:34.149 --> 01:18:36.979
object that has a chance of hitting Earth. They

01:18:36.979 --> 01:18:39.760
are somebody can sound the alarm and I'll tell

01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:43.399
it goes pointed at it Now mind you this object

01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:45.899
3i Atlas is not going to come anywhere near earth.

01:18:46.060 --> 01:18:50.260
It's going to fly right now Behind the Sun, so

01:18:50.260 --> 01:18:52.539
we're just losing sight of it It's going to come

01:18:52.539 --> 01:18:55.460
back out the other side of the Sun mid November

01:18:55.460 --> 01:18:59.640
and we'll we'll get our closest point right on

01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:04.399
December the winter solstice But for some reason

01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:07.960
NASA pushed this alarm say, hey, there's a chance

01:19:07.960 --> 01:19:10.600
this thing might hit Earth, which is... Yeah,

01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:12.460
it's got a lot of people confused. Why would

01:19:12.460 --> 01:19:14.739
they put this call out a couple of days ago?

01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:17.460
I feel like there's always a comment about to

01:19:17.460 --> 01:19:21.819
hit Earth. But it shouldn't. Unless it was doing

01:19:21.819 --> 01:19:23.619
some kind of course correction, it shouldn't

01:19:23.619 --> 01:19:25.819
come anywhere near Earth. But people are saying

01:19:25.819 --> 01:19:28.159
there's a course correction happening. Now that

01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:30.979
it's getting close to the sun, it's doing a slingshot

01:19:30.979 --> 01:19:34.159
maneuver. This is when you could change course

01:19:34.159 --> 01:19:36.779
for the least amount of energy. And then it's

01:19:36.779 --> 01:19:38.920
going to wrap around and swing towards us is

01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:40.640
what people are saying. Now, of course, that

01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:43.960
could just be misinformation. Don't know. Um,

01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:45.939
this is hot off the presses, but this is what

01:19:45.939 --> 01:19:48.199
people are talking about the last few days. Well,

01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:51.159
I didn't ask to push the button and Avi Loeb

01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:56.319
is looking into whether it's a... Fair enough.

01:19:56.819 --> 01:20:00.960
I mean... Keep your eyes out. But also recognize

01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:02.779
there's a lot of fake news around it. There's

01:20:02.779 --> 01:20:06.140
a lot of fake news around it. So many AIs. Video

01:20:06.140 --> 01:20:08.920
thing like that is the god flying for the very

01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:14.000
interesting I think I think we we've I think

01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:18.420
we should move on because I'm interested in panpsychism

01:20:18.420 --> 01:20:23.880
Is that what it is? Yeah. All right Let's do

01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:28.930
it So philosophically, it really comes down to

01:20:28.930 --> 01:20:32.729
where you believe the observer is as a conscious

01:20:32.729 --> 01:20:35.829
person who experiences qualia, right? You see

01:20:35.829 --> 01:20:39.210
the redness of red, you smell the redness of

01:20:39.210 --> 01:20:43.609
bread. There's like the senses that you experience,

01:20:43.609 --> 01:20:46.529
but then there's also the what it is like to

01:20:46.529 --> 01:20:49.729
experience them. And so there's, there's camps,

01:20:49.770 --> 01:20:51.890
there's three main camps. There's a physical,

01:20:52.050 --> 01:20:55.850
which says it's all just. how atoms react, right?

01:20:55.989 --> 01:20:58.569
Everything can be explained with the physical

01:20:58.569 --> 01:21:02.770
faculty and physics that we know. Um, then there's

01:21:02.770 --> 01:21:05.449
the dualists who say, yes, there's all these

01:21:05.449 --> 01:21:07.970
physical atoms doing things, but then there's

01:21:07.970 --> 01:21:11.890
also this observer that's non -physical and you

01:21:11.890 --> 01:21:14.109
have to somehow explain how the non -physical

01:21:14.109 --> 01:21:17.369
can interact with physical. Um, and then there's

01:21:17.369 --> 01:21:19.390
the idealists, which say that - That's the concept

01:21:19.390 --> 01:21:23.130
of the soul, right? The dualist would be the

01:21:23.130 --> 01:21:25.979
soul. There's a couple, couple camps within that,

01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:28.119
whether the soul just observes or where the soul

01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:30.319
can actually interact. But if you're interacting,

01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:31.979
doesn't that make you physical? Like there's,

01:21:31.979 --> 01:21:34.739
there's problems with dualism, um, as a framework.

01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:37.279
Uh, but there's also problems with physicalism

01:21:37.279 --> 01:21:40.260
as a framework. Like how do we see redness? Do

01:21:40.260 --> 01:21:42.779
we all see the same redness and stuff like that?

01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:45.340
And then lastly, there's idealism, which is a

01:21:45.340 --> 01:21:48.359
smaller camp, but still compelling, which is

01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:50.779
there, there is no physical world. It's all in

01:21:50.779 --> 01:21:57.510
our mind. We're all just like one. Right. Yeah.

01:21:59.510 --> 01:22:02.970
Panpsychism says that, um, you know, wherever

01:22:02.970 --> 01:22:06.130
camp you are in this, this thing that observes

01:22:06.130 --> 01:22:09.829
this, the mechanisms that allow for observation

01:22:09.829 --> 01:22:14.869
and experience stem from the most basal interaction.

01:22:15.430 --> 01:22:19.069
Like even, even atoms are, are consciously aware

01:22:19.069 --> 01:22:25.520
in some minuscule. very simplest faculty ability.

01:22:27.260 --> 01:22:30.420
So basically I'm somewhere a little bit above

01:22:30.420 --> 01:22:32.939
atoms, like sure you could believe atoms are

01:22:32.939 --> 01:22:37.859
real, but at least like cells, like a bacteria

01:22:37.859 --> 01:22:42.060
or a human cell, at least those experience some

01:22:42.060 --> 01:22:44.819
form of intelligence. And so they must somehow

01:22:44.819 --> 01:22:48.039
be able to process what they sense and create.

01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:50.800
There's another explanation. Another explanation.

01:22:51.640 --> 01:22:58.659
Yeah. Oh, what if the observer is a player and

01:22:58.659 --> 01:23:03.119
this is a simulation? I could see that too. Um,

01:23:03.119 --> 01:23:05.180
the simulation theory is quite compelling. You

01:23:05.180 --> 01:23:08.260
can look at it from statistically, or you can

01:23:08.260 --> 01:23:11.560
look at it from what the physics is telling us.

01:23:11.739 --> 01:23:15.140
It does seem like reality follows an optimization

01:23:15.140 --> 01:23:18.319
protocol called the principle of stationary action.

01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:22.220
The universe is always finding the most efficient

01:23:22.220 --> 01:23:25.479
path forward, seems like it's trying to conserve

01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:31.560
energy. Yeah. Just in terms of like, for the

01:23:31.560 --> 01:23:36.439
listeners and viewers, the observer would be

01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:38.800
in this discussion, the consciousness, right?

01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:43.020
The fact that we are, that we have a sense of

01:23:43.020 --> 01:23:46.439
being, that is the observer. We know what it

01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:50.529
is like to be us. And then we engage in solipsism

01:23:50.529 --> 01:23:53.510
where yeah, I know I am an observer. I think

01:23:53.510 --> 01:23:56.409
therefore I am and you guys look like me. So

01:23:56.409 --> 01:23:59.229
I think, I believe you guys are also conscious

01:23:59.229 --> 01:24:04.350
as well. That's just faith for sure. Well, well

01:24:04.350 --> 01:24:06.369
justified faith. You guys seem to react the way

01:24:06.369 --> 01:24:09.010
I react. So it seems like we have the same things

01:24:09.010 --> 01:24:12.470
going on internally. But still that is a belief.

01:24:13.550 --> 01:24:15.829
It could be that I'm the only conscious being

01:24:15.829 --> 01:24:17.869
in the universe. It could be that we're all.

01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:21.600
one consciousness seen through multiple eyes.

01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:26.539
There's different ways to cut that down. One

01:24:26.539 --> 01:24:29.479
very interesting aspect of it is that we aren't

01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:32.899
just one being, right? Like, foot brain patients,

01:24:33.180 --> 01:24:35.399
they used to, oh, they still do actually. If

01:24:35.399 --> 01:24:38.399
you have really, really intense seizures, one

01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:40.180
treatment for it is to cut your brain right down

01:24:40.180 --> 01:24:43.380
the middle. There really is only one little area

01:24:43.380 --> 01:24:46.000
right in the center where wires from each side

01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:48.750
meet. Um, called the corcus callosum. They'll

01:24:48.750 --> 01:24:51.470
just cut that, separate the two hemispheres.

01:24:51.609 --> 01:24:54.210
Um, and you'll be more or less fine, but now

01:24:54.210 --> 01:24:58.010
you're two beams in one body. So your left side

01:24:58.010 --> 01:25:00.050
controls all of your right muscles. Your right

01:25:00.050 --> 01:25:02.970
side controls your left muscles. Um, you, you

01:25:02.970 --> 01:25:05.310
process and form sentences in your left side.

01:25:06.310 --> 01:25:07.949
So you can do some pretty interesting experiments

01:25:07.949 --> 01:25:10.590
like cover the left eye, show an object to the

01:25:10.590 --> 01:25:13.189
right eye and have them try and describe it.

01:25:13.369 --> 01:25:16.510
Um, and you can't because there's no cross hemisphere

01:25:16.510 --> 01:25:18.649
communication. So the left side will just make

01:25:18.649 --> 01:25:23.329
it up. Right. Yeah. I've heard of that. You also

01:25:23.329 --> 01:25:25.609
see things like the left hand will like grab

01:25:25.609 --> 01:25:27.649
an ice cream cone, but the right hand says, Oh,

01:25:27.649 --> 01:25:28.930
I don't want to use the ice cream. You know,

01:25:29.010 --> 01:25:32.569
like slap the left hand. Like there's two beings

01:25:32.569 --> 01:25:35.729
and they don't always agree now that they're

01:25:35.729 --> 01:25:38.729
not synchronized with each other. Um, but you

01:25:38.729 --> 01:25:42.810
see this in even more like if I were to donate.

01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:46.220
my heart to somebody, they have a 70 % chance

01:25:46.220 --> 01:25:49.460
of gaining my temperament as well. So like my

01:25:49.460 --> 01:25:52.840
overall emotional states and response patterns

01:25:52.840 --> 01:25:56.399
get donated with my heart. That seems to be a

01:25:56.399 --> 01:26:03.220
local thing to the organ. We are dealing a gentle

01:26:03.220 --> 01:26:06.659
form, right? We are one agent because we're harmonized,

01:26:06.659 --> 01:26:09.479
but we are made of a bunch of sub -agents. Each

01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:13.329
of our cells is its own being. If you were to

01:26:13.329 --> 01:26:17.350
take trachea cells from the human throat, they

01:26:17.350 --> 01:26:19.770
have little cilia, like little hair -like projections

01:26:19.770 --> 01:26:22.750
and together they all beat in unison to like,

01:26:22.850 --> 01:26:25.689
help you swallow or help clear stuff from your

01:26:25.689 --> 01:26:28.930
lungs. Um, but if you take one out, one cell

01:26:28.930 --> 01:26:31.869
and put it in a Petri dish, it'll start crawling

01:26:31.869 --> 01:26:33.970
around with the cilia. Like it's its own little

01:26:33.970 --> 01:26:37.529
being hunting, um, trying to reproduce, uh, living

01:26:37.529 --> 01:26:40.430
out its own life. And it was recently shown that.

01:26:40.489 --> 01:26:43.989
When, when a mammal dies and some other species,

01:26:44.590 --> 01:26:47.949
when, when they die, these cells just crawl out

01:26:47.949 --> 01:26:50.130
and go and live and do their own thing independently.

01:26:50.409 --> 01:26:54.050
Like we don't fully die. Most of us dies when,

01:26:54.329 --> 01:26:56.930
when we're dead. But some of our cells, cells

01:26:56.930 --> 01:27:00.510
that are able to crawl around and hunt, um, just

01:27:00.510 --> 01:27:02.569
say, oh, okay, I guess that ship sailed. I'm

01:27:02.569 --> 01:27:04.449
going to go do my own thing. And they just go

01:27:04.449 --> 01:27:08.510
off into the environment to live. We, we, we

01:27:08.510 --> 01:27:12.180
take for granted that. We're one unified being,

01:27:12.180 --> 01:27:15.020
but we're not always harmonized. That's wild

01:27:15.020 --> 01:27:19.500
to me. They're called anthrobots. There's the

01:27:19.500 --> 01:27:22.340
word for an anthrobot and there's also the xenobot,

01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:26.600
which we're taking from frogs, I believe. Um,

01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:30.039
but we're showing that, yeah, these cells, that

01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:33.340
the coordination that we have that unifies us

01:27:33.340 --> 01:27:36.819
into one agent isn't the end all be all of being.

01:27:37.380 --> 01:27:40.779
We are. uh, more of a democracy, right? You might,

01:27:41.100 --> 01:27:44.560
you might be an alcoholic and you... You really

01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:46.399
want alcohol. It's part of you saying, like,

01:27:46.439 --> 01:27:48.300
that gut feeling saying, no, I shouldn't drink.

01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:50.539
And so now you have some cells fighting against

01:27:50.539 --> 01:27:52.899
other cells saying, what should this main agent

01:27:52.899 --> 01:27:57.020
do? So, so it's our, it's, it's, it's not our

01:27:57.020 --> 01:27:59.859
thoughts or our logic or our reason. It's just

01:27:59.859 --> 01:28:04.260
the cells and a feeling? Logic and reason up

01:28:04.260 --> 01:28:06.779
here. That's like the main captain of the ship.

01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:09.739
You have that gut feeling that could also be

01:28:09.739 --> 01:28:11.439
building. Yeah, your gut feeling I get, yeah.

01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:14.800
And that's a lot of the others still screaming

01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:17.699
out what they want. But we're seeing now with

01:28:17.699 --> 01:28:21.500
the gut microbiome just how important the bacteria

01:28:21.500 --> 01:28:25.819
is towards our overall anxiety, our feelings

01:28:25.819 --> 01:28:30.039
of safety, how serious they are. You want to

01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:32.439
have harmony with them as well. We're all just

01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:38.880
one. pouring together down here. Okay, I have

01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:43.180
a little side question for that, I guess, is

01:28:43.180 --> 01:28:46.600
these cells aren't really screaming out. So what

01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:49.199
are the cells doing that are making you have

01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:50.859
those feelings? I know exactly what you're talking

01:28:50.859 --> 01:28:54.619
about because today, I hate to admit it, I was

01:28:54.619 --> 01:28:58.260
out with my friend and he wanted to go out for

01:28:58.260 --> 01:28:59.880
a drink. I didn't want to go out for a drink.

01:29:00.140 --> 01:29:03.539
And in my body, I felt like, ugh, I know what

01:29:03.539 --> 01:29:05.079
that's going to feel like. I don't want to do

01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:08.100
it. And yet, when I was my friend, I still did

01:29:08.100 --> 01:29:13.100
it. But I knew the feeling. Is that just memory

01:29:13.100 --> 01:29:14.979
recounting what it feels like to drink alcohol

01:29:14.979 --> 01:29:17.180
and the bad experience? Or is it my cells? And

01:29:17.180 --> 01:29:21.319
if it's my cells, what are the cells doing exactly

01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:24.920
that makes me feel that way? What are they producing?

01:29:25.500 --> 01:29:28.640
That's a very good question. Each cell is able

01:29:28.640 --> 01:29:32.600
to form its own model of the world. It can relate

01:29:32.600 --> 01:29:35.869
things, its senses. with expectations of what's

01:29:35.869 --> 01:29:38.770
going to happen. So it starts sensing your intention

01:29:38.770 --> 01:29:41.909
to drink and it has a model of, well, when alcohol

01:29:41.909 --> 01:29:44.729
comes in, this is what happens to my homeostasis.

01:29:44.989 --> 01:29:49.069
I get slapped around, I get damaged. I vote no.

01:29:49.409 --> 01:29:51.590
And so there's ways it can vote no, it can release

01:29:51.590 --> 01:29:55.069
stress hormones. One very, very big pathway is

01:29:55.069 --> 01:29:58.250
the vagus nerve, which connects your gut to your

01:29:58.250 --> 01:30:05.590
brain. The, the bulk of your serotonin is actually

01:30:05.590 --> 01:30:07.949
manufactured down there. It's still not shown

01:30:07.949 --> 01:30:10.390
exactly how much of that serotonin makes its

01:30:10.390 --> 01:30:13.890
way to the brain. Um, but it is a feeling of

01:30:13.890 --> 01:30:16.090
safety and a feeling of comfort. And when you

01:30:16.090 --> 01:30:17.989
don't get that, you kind of get that anxiety

01:30:17.989 --> 01:30:20.930
feeling. Um, it's yeah. Stress response, cortisol,

01:30:21.789 --> 01:30:23.970
serotonin, vagus stimulation. There's a lot of

01:30:23.970 --> 01:30:28.550
ways that the gut brain axis allows two way communication.

01:30:28.949 --> 01:30:32.189
Right. So like your brain is about five pounds.

01:30:32.430 --> 01:30:35.369
Was that like two kilograms for you metric system

01:30:35.369 --> 01:30:38.869
people? But if you were to take all the bacteria,

01:30:39.630 --> 01:30:41.449
like scrape it out of your intestines and weigh

01:30:41.449 --> 01:30:43.810
it, it's about the same weight as the brain.

01:30:44.630 --> 01:30:47.689
You got about two kilograms of bacteria. That's

01:30:47.689 --> 01:30:51.529
wild. They're voting too. Yeah, that's cool.

01:30:52.449 --> 01:30:57.310
Yeah. Where does UN and other environment begins?

01:30:57.649 --> 01:30:59.939
Is that bacteria inside you? the environment,

01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:02.699
is that you? The bacteria on my kids, right?

01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:08.079
But inside me? Yeah. Inside me, I think, like

01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:10.220
when I think of your, let's say your microbiome,

01:31:11.359 --> 01:31:14.079
I think those are just like little critters not

01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:18.500
related to you that you have to feed so they

01:31:18.500 --> 01:31:21.270
don't cause you stomach upset. But I know that

01:31:21.270 --> 01:31:22.850
it can't be, you're right, there's got to be

01:31:22.850 --> 01:31:24.590
a deeper connection because if they affect your

01:31:24.590 --> 01:31:27.270
mood, how connected are they to like your emotions?

01:31:27.949 --> 01:31:31.069
Because you still recognize them as like being

01:31:31.069 --> 01:31:32.890
separate beings, like how can they have that

01:31:32.890 --> 01:31:34.710
kind of influence? That's insane. It's like some

01:31:34.710 --> 01:31:38.710
weird hive mind kind of stuff. Yeah, and what

01:31:38.710 --> 01:31:41.890
are cells? Because cells operate independently

01:31:41.890 --> 01:31:46.609
within, in your blood, your blood cells, right?

01:31:47.069 --> 01:31:52.000
Or your immune system. It operates as an independent

01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:57.579
system from, from you. It doesn't, what prompts

01:31:57.579 --> 01:32:00.039
your, obviously your immune system has a response

01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:04.020
to like what is not. It's like this independent

01:32:04.020 --> 01:32:09.659
police state, right? Or in your, um, within your

01:32:09.659 --> 01:32:15.680
blood. But why, why does it do that? And, and

01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:19.300
why do they die when you die? Or is it that?

01:32:19.369 --> 01:32:23.390
When they die, it's not that you die, it's that

01:32:23.390 --> 01:32:26.909
they die. You only, you're so, like, your ego's

01:32:26.909 --> 01:32:30.430
so big that you think it's you, but it's really

01:32:30.430 --> 01:32:32.989
not. Calling me a narcissist? It's yourselves.

01:32:33.409 --> 01:32:35.470
No, I'm just, let's be in general to that question

01:32:35.470 --> 01:32:39.470
because why don't they go on living after you're

01:32:39.470 --> 01:32:42.750
dead? So really, it's like they are the ones

01:32:42.750 --> 01:32:45.729
in charge, but they've convinced, but you, your

01:32:45.729 --> 01:32:50.479
perception is... You are the one experiencing

01:32:50.479 --> 01:32:52.640
all this. You are in control, but maybe not.

01:32:52.979 --> 01:32:55.760
It's all these things acting. A lot of them are

01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:58.119
anoxic, so they can't, like, read your body,

01:32:58.279 --> 01:33:00.140
even though they'll hit oxygen and die immediately.

01:33:01.140 --> 01:33:03.260
They had a good thing going by living inside

01:33:03.260 --> 01:33:06.220
you, but unfortunately, when we pass, they kind

01:33:06.220 --> 01:33:09.100
of go to... But that doesn't just say they don't

01:33:09.100 --> 01:33:13.420
live on through progeny, right? Like, you want...

01:33:13.420 --> 01:33:16.420
When a mother gives vaginal birth... the baby

01:33:16.420 --> 01:33:19.279
gets coated in her bacteria. And it's been shown

01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:21.779
that this is a very important step to prevent

01:33:21.779 --> 01:33:26.300
like immune problems later down the line. So

01:33:26.300 --> 01:33:29.779
these bacteria do have a way of continuing as

01:33:29.779 --> 01:33:32.760
well, at least part of them being passed from

01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:37.619
mother to child down the line. You did think

01:33:37.619 --> 01:33:39.640
of a really interesting study looking at what

01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:43.359
happens when deaths occur. There seems to be...

01:33:43.199 --> 01:33:47.140
a certain ensemble of bacteria that don't normally

01:33:47.140 --> 01:33:49.300
live in us, or at least not in any appreciable

01:33:49.300 --> 01:33:51.579
amount. But no matter where you are on earth,

01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:55.119
this same group of bacteria takes over and rots

01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:57.680
you, decays you down. So even though they're

01:33:57.680 --> 01:33:59.880
not native all around the world, at least we

01:33:59.880 --> 01:34:08.420
haven't ruled that out. To me that makes perfect

01:34:08.420 --> 01:34:11.060
sense to me. As far as I'm concerned, that's

01:34:11.060 --> 01:34:13.880
bacteria's job is to like... eat things and break

01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:15.939
them down. Yeah, but where do they come from?

01:34:16.060 --> 01:34:19.119
If they're not native, why do they take over

01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:21.159
when you die? Like, where do they come from?

01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:23.239
It's not that they take over. They just help

01:34:23.239 --> 01:34:25.840
bring it... Come on, are you kidding? We're just...

01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:28.460
You can't escape the filth. Is that what the

01:34:28.460 --> 01:34:29.680
UFOs are delivering? At some point in our existence,

01:34:30.100 --> 01:34:39.720
they enter... Bacteria bombs! Exactly, bacteria

01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:42.100
bombs. But it's everywhere. It makes perfect

01:34:42.100 --> 01:34:45.000
sense. Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. That's true.

01:34:45.159 --> 01:34:49.039
Yes. Absolutely. What's the YouTube channel Kutzkegon?

01:34:50.300 --> 01:34:54.140
Listen, I mean, I do believe, I mean, how did

01:34:54.140 --> 01:34:56.319
life come on this planet if not by some, you

01:34:56.319 --> 01:35:02.279
know, bacteria that came from space on some rock

01:35:02.279 --> 01:35:07.680
and then that started life? So are we, I mean,

01:35:07.680 --> 01:35:11.600
I guess we're the aliens. But at some point in

01:35:11.600 --> 01:35:14.039
your life, bacteria enters your body and it stays

01:35:14.039 --> 01:35:19.239
there. You're microbiome. We are a collection

01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:22.159
of aliens. We are not the aliens. We're just

01:35:22.159 --> 01:35:24.600
a collection of aliens. Like I said, okay, yeah,

01:35:24.859 --> 01:35:28.500
okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We

01:35:28.500 --> 01:35:32.180
sometimes find the bacteria that have entered

01:35:32.180 --> 01:35:35.979
your body at some point in your history and set

01:35:35.979 --> 01:35:40.369
up camp and exist. You know, the idea is for

01:35:40.369 --> 01:35:45.069
us to have a healthy gut microbiome. So the majority

01:35:45.069 --> 01:35:48.890
is the stuff that is beneficial to you. But there

01:35:48.890 --> 01:35:51.550
are other ones there that just will always exist.

01:35:52.909 --> 01:35:55.229
And they're not meant to be there, but they exist

01:35:55.229 --> 01:35:59.430
and they have another purpose. Or they're opportunistic.

01:35:59.430 --> 01:36:01.850
And when you die, for example, the ones that

01:36:01.850 --> 01:36:03.189
eat you are there and they're like, you know,

01:36:03.189 --> 01:36:05.569
it's party time. He's done. Everyone, like, you

01:36:05.569 --> 01:36:08.899
know, the other good ones die with you. And so

01:36:08.899 --> 01:36:10.500
those ones are still around. They're like, nice,

01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:13.619
let's party. And then they eat. They're just

01:36:13.619 --> 01:36:17.060
laying and waiting, you know? It's actually one

01:36:17.060 --> 01:36:19.319
of the reasons why antibiotics are being pushed

01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:21.479
out, not just because of superbug resistance

01:36:21.479 --> 01:36:25.579
or the encroachment of them, but the fact that

01:36:25.579 --> 01:36:27.859
when you take an antibiotic, it's like carpet

01:36:27.859 --> 01:36:30.319
bombing the neighborhoods inside you. Like it

01:36:30.319 --> 01:36:32.720
just, most antibiotics are general. They'll just

01:36:32.720 --> 01:36:35.300
wipe out all of those species, or at least most

01:36:35.300 --> 01:36:38.220
of them. And so you just leave all these broad

01:36:38.220 --> 01:36:41.720
swaths of open length for just anything to colonize.

01:36:42.199 --> 01:36:44.779
Basically, whatever opportunist comes with your

01:36:44.779 --> 01:36:47.500
next meal will just populate your gut and you'll

01:36:47.500 --> 01:36:53.680
have imbalance issues. Yeah. Yeah. That can take

01:36:53.680 --> 01:36:59.460
a long, if not forever to fix, right? Yeah. It

01:36:59.460 --> 01:37:06.020
depends how, you know, aware you are of it. This

01:37:06.020 --> 01:37:10.079
makes me really... Okay, so I have a very close

01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:12.520
relationship with this. Yes, what is that, Ruby?

01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:15.260
Please, tell viewers, yes. Estrogen. This is

01:37:15.260 --> 01:37:19.779
Progenova. One milligram. And recently a study

01:37:19.779 --> 01:37:28.260
came out saying that these changing hormones

01:37:28.260 --> 01:37:33.039
doesn't just... do what we think comas do. It

01:37:33.039 --> 01:37:36.500
basically rewrites a whole bunch of systems at

01:37:36.500 --> 01:37:42.600
the fundamental level within your body. Like

01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:46.260
it's a reprogramming of everything that you are.

01:37:48.779 --> 01:37:52.100
It's some other script given into your DNA to

01:37:52.100 --> 01:37:59.050
change things. Another code being written. So

01:37:59.050 --> 01:38:01.989
then you have hormonal messages. Electrical messages

01:38:01.989 --> 01:38:04.569
are more for things on really fast time scales.

01:38:05.810 --> 01:38:08.630
Like, oh, there's a tiger over there. So like

01:38:08.630 --> 01:38:11.510
for long, longer scale changes over the minutes,

01:38:11.810 --> 01:38:14.510
hours, the days, hormones are the messenger of

01:38:14.510 --> 01:38:16.930
sports. So it's like, Luigi, you're asking about

01:38:16.930 --> 01:38:19.250
bacteria. How do they communicate with the brain?

01:38:19.630 --> 01:38:22.029
It's mostly through hormone secretion. That's

01:38:22.029 --> 01:38:23.750
how this back and forth happens. Through the

01:38:23.750 --> 01:38:26.680
blood. from bacteria to brain, and then brain

01:38:26.680 --> 01:38:29.579
releases hormones back into the blood. And so

01:38:29.579 --> 01:38:31.500
when you, when you change, when you add some

01:38:31.500 --> 01:38:33.739
hormones into the blood, everything kind of has

01:38:33.739 --> 01:38:37.920
to change its model of the world to accompany

01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:40.100
this new reality. Now there's these hormones

01:38:40.100 --> 01:38:41.840
floating through that I would normally react

01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:45.119
to, but now they're there all the time. So I

01:38:45.119 --> 01:38:49.739
kind of have to subtract out that noise and reestablish

01:38:49.739 --> 01:38:54.560
what is a message and what's not. very broad

01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:59.699
speaking, broad change caused by a hormone, any

01:38:59.699 --> 01:39:02.539
hormonal pill. Yeah. It's really interesting

01:39:02.539 --> 01:39:05.800
to me because, I mean, the reason that's interesting

01:39:05.800 --> 01:39:10.359
is I have always, like, I started feeling way

01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:14.600
better as a human being existing in the world

01:39:14.600 --> 01:39:16.840
the moment I started taking it, like within,

01:39:17.460 --> 01:39:22.500
within a day. I was like, there was this massive

01:39:22.500 --> 01:39:26.020
sense of relief, not just in mental clarity,

01:39:26.020 --> 01:39:31.239
right? That came. So, and that must be within

01:39:31.239 --> 01:39:34.039
brain. Like I've said before, I used to have

01:39:34.039 --> 01:39:37.260
a lot, you were talking about right brain, left

01:39:37.260 --> 01:39:43.560
brain before. And I used to have a lot of dyslexia.

01:39:44.799 --> 01:39:48.159
or dyslexic symptoms at least, and now they've

01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:51.359
pretty much vanished. I still have some symptoms,

01:39:51.420 --> 01:39:55.439
but they are far less than they were before.

01:39:58.939 --> 01:40:03.479
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, maybe it's, I don't

01:40:03.479 --> 01:40:06.619
know what the word is, psychosomatic or something.

01:40:08.119 --> 01:40:13.560
Like a placebo effect or like an anxiety response

01:40:13.560 --> 01:40:18.399
before. And now that anxiety is gone. So there's

01:40:18.399 --> 01:40:21.960
a retraction of those symptoms. I don't know.

01:40:22.079 --> 01:40:24.420
Yeah. Something to think about. Well, I've been

01:40:24.420 --> 01:40:28.899
on hormones for many months. And the dyslexic

01:40:28.899 --> 01:40:32.420
effects weren't immediate, but the feelings were.

01:40:34.660 --> 01:40:36.619
Hopefully someday in the future, we'll be able

01:40:36.619 --> 01:40:40.640
to find out which bacteria need, you know, swapping

01:40:40.640 --> 01:40:43.500
out in order to have the same effect. Because,

01:40:44.180 --> 01:40:46.859
you know, a new species can have a whole host

01:40:46.859 --> 01:40:48.520
of changes, even more than a hormone because

01:40:48.520 --> 01:40:52.840
they release multiple hormones. What is the ideal

01:40:52.840 --> 01:40:57.260
combination of bacteria? It looks like it's human

01:40:57.260 --> 01:41:01.060
specific or at least lineage specific. People

01:41:01.060 --> 01:41:03.699
from certain areas have grown up with the bacteria

01:41:03.699 --> 01:41:06.729
over there. So they tend to do better when they

01:41:06.729 --> 01:41:11.350
have those, their host to those species. One

01:41:11.350 --> 01:41:16.989
attempt, more or less a blunt attempt at fixing

01:41:16.989 --> 01:41:19.289
this problem is fecal transplants where they'll

01:41:19.289 --> 01:41:25.109
take feces from somebody who has a good... Yeah,

01:41:25.770 --> 01:41:29.189
it can help with leukemia, right? So a recent

01:41:29.189 --> 01:41:32.130
paper showed that while they were looking at...

01:41:31.819 --> 01:41:34.899
Um, analysis of the species by length of your

01:41:34.899 --> 01:41:36.680
intestines. And they found that there's actually

01:41:36.680 --> 01:41:39.640
three different neighborhoods, um, with their

01:41:39.640 --> 01:41:42.460
own species composition. So you can't just take

01:41:42.460 --> 01:41:46.279
one fecal pill and repopulate all three of those

01:41:46.279 --> 01:41:48.579
neighborhoods. Cause it'll really only benefit

01:41:48.579 --> 01:41:50.699
one of them. The other two will be thrown into

01:41:50.699 --> 01:41:54.340
chaos by the fecal transplant. So we're just

01:41:54.340 --> 01:41:56.880
now learning the actual science of what we're

01:41:56.880 --> 01:41:59.500
doing by changing. Yes, there's dramatic effects.

01:41:59.770 --> 01:42:03.750
by reintroducing species that are lost, but how

01:42:03.750 --> 01:42:07.710
to target which species and where that hasn't

01:42:07.710 --> 01:42:09.949
been fully explored. And that's definitely something

01:42:09.949 --> 01:42:13.029
that needs to be looked into. Aren't there like

01:42:13.029 --> 01:42:16.149
hundreds of thousands of species within your

01:42:16.149 --> 01:42:17.869
gut? We've actually found a whole new tree of

01:42:17.869 --> 01:42:21.869
life. So you have like bacteria, you have archaea,

01:42:22.329 --> 01:42:26.670
you have eukaryotes. There's a new type of life

01:42:26.670 --> 01:42:30.960
called obelisks. that exist in about one third

01:42:30.960 --> 01:42:33.960
of humans. They don't, they're not archaea, they're

01:42:33.960 --> 01:42:36.500
not bacteria, they're not protists, eukaryotes.

01:42:36.539 --> 01:42:39.239
We don't know what they are. They have very interesting

01:42:39.239 --> 01:42:42.720
DNA. They're in a class of their own, a kingdom

01:42:42.720 --> 01:42:45.739
of their own. And they just, they were just discovered.

01:42:45.760 --> 01:42:48.039
So we have a whole new form of life that we don't,

01:42:48.199 --> 01:42:49.979
they're not viruses either. They're kind of like

01:42:49.979 --> 01:42:52.539
viruses, but they're more like bacteria. They

01:42:52.539 --> 01:42:56.600
have a cell wall. Yeah, we're still trying to

01:42:56.600 --> 01:42:59.600
figure out what lives inside of us. and classifying

01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:01.819
it all. It's difficult. That's wild. I feel like

01:43:01.819 --> 01:43:03.840
when all of the species on Earth will be discovered,

01:43:03.960 --> 01:43:07.220
we'll be still trying to discover the millions

01:43:07.220 --> 01:43:11.039
of bacteria, which is pretty cool. We'll still

01:43:11.039 --> 01:43:16.699
be trying to map the sea floor. And find the

01:43:16.699 --> 01:43:19.720
secret. Find all the secret government bases.

01:43:22.060 --> 01:43:24.380
They're smart dinosaurs, I'm telling you. Smart

01:43:24.380 --> 01:43:26.989
dinosaurs. I'll put my money on it. Definitely

01:43:26.989 --> 01:43:29.449
check out that 4chan post. It's fascinating.

01:43:29.789 --> 01:43:33.810
Like 20 pages full of information. Really put

01:43:33.810 --> 01:43:36.689
things together in a way no one else has. I have

01:43:36.689 --> 01:43:39.369
feelings about 4chan though. That's where the

01:43:39.369 --> 01:43:41.090
groepers live. You don't have to pay attention.

01:43:41.529 --> 01:43:44.229
4chan is a big place, you know. It's hard not

01:43:44.229 --> 01:43:46.750
to pay attention to them. They follow you. They

01:43:46.750 --> 01:43:49.989
will find you. Trust me. Fair. Try to be a grope.

01:43:50.029 --> 01:43:54.189
They will find you. It's a test pool, let's be

01:43:54.189 --> 01:43:56.720
honest. But that's where whistleblowers go, to

01:43:56.720 --> 01:43:59.520
blow the whistle. Yeah, you gotta go somewhere,

01:43:59.779 --> 01:44:05.060
you know? Oh well. Alright Ruby, should we wrap

01:44:05.060 --> 01:44:07.100
it up? This is the longest podcast we've done.

01:44:07.520 --> 01:44:10.239
No it's not. It's been two hours. No it's not.

01:44:10.659 --> 01:44:13.020
The last time we did this it was three hours,

01:44:13.020 --> 01:44:18.380
yeah. No way. Yeah, the longest one I've done

01:44:18.380 --> 01:44:22.119
is four hours. But it gets edited down to, yeah.

01:44:24.329 --> 01:44:29.109
Yeah. Um, well, no, I'm, I'm, I, I have feelings

01:44:29.109 --> 01:44:33.149
about, I don't like AI. AI stinks. Okay. AI sucks

01:44:33.149 --> 01:44:36.170
ass. It's the worst. And I have two things I

01:44:36.170 --> 01:44:39.029
want to say about it. I use AI to edit because

01:44:39.029 --> 01:44:41.630
I think that's what AI, that's where it should

01:44:41.630 --> 01:44:45.569
end. This program that we're recording on, it

01:44:45.569 --> 01:44:48.989
transcribes everything that, that we say into

01:44:48.989 --> 01:44:54.750
text. Then it uses an AI. a generative text model

01:44:54.750 --> 01:45:00.149
to dissect the meaning and decide which are segments,

01:45:00.250 --> 01:45:04.310
which are ums and ahs, and I can edit by highlighting

01:45:04.310 --> 01:45:07.250
text and deleting it. And that will edit the

01:45:07.250 --> 01:45:10.729
video. So that's extremely useful. So AI can

01:45:10.729 --> 01:45:15.890
edit the video. But you know what? I, two or

01:45:15.890 --> 01:45:19.350
three days ago, oh shit, what am I saying? It

01:45:19.350 --> 01:45:27.279
was Friday. Yesterday. I saw this prompt on,

01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:30.079
or it was like a silly thing on Discord saying,

01:45:30.699 --> 01:45:36.180
what would, like, just as a note for you, what

01:45:36.180 --> 01:45:40.199
would your mythical creature be? So then I went

01:45:40.199 --> 01:45:45.880
onto AI. onto ChatGPT, it has all of the transcripts

01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:48.579
from all of the Kaleidoscope podcasts so far

01:45:48.579 --> 01:45:52.199
uploaded into a single project, right? So I go,

01:45:53.399 --> 01:45:58.659
look at all of my transcripts, take my personality,

01:45:58.859 --> 01:46:02.979
dissect it. It's got all of my poetry as well.

01:46:03.619 --> 01:46:07.880
Tell me what you think would be the best like

01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:11.319
creature for me. And I did, like, for shits and

01:46:11.319 --> 01:46:15.119
giggles, I did deep research on it. Wait a minute,

01:46:15.279 --> 01:46:22.560
can we guess it? Liger. Jesus Christ! No, not

01:46:22.560 --> 01:46:26.399
a liger. Why? Why liger? Because I keep growing

01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:29.569
and growing? Because I have Down syndrome? Because

01:46:29.569 --> 01:46:31.930
it's just a magical being. You just have magic.

01:46:32.090 --> 01:46:35.710
It's known for its potency and magic. Liker is

01:46:35.710 --> 01:46:37.890
not even remotely known for its potency and fucking

01:46:37.890 --> 01:46:41.369
magic. Half a lion, half a tiger. Right for its

01:46:41.369 --> 01:46:48.090
power and magic. The dual thin mermaid that Starbucks

01:46:48.090 --> 01:46:53.189
uses as its mascot. No, no, no, no, no. But wait,

01:46:53.289 --> 01:46:57.409
I want to say the thing. What it does is it goes...

01:46:57.319 --> 01:47:01.119
Going into like doing these deep research into

01:47:01.119 --> 01:47:05.420
like reflection for And the phrasing it used

01:47:05.420 --> 01:47:07.479
for what I don't remember exactly what it said.

01:47:07.479 --> 01:47:10.260
It was Narcissistic reflections. I was like,

01:47:10.260 --> 01:47:16.039
what the fuck? You're supposed to affirm me!

01:47:17.060 --> 01:47:20.239
Reflexes? Oh, reflection. Reflection, reflection.

01:47:20.680 --> 01:47:23.979
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing that it came up with

01:47:23.979 --> 01:47:27.869
is a mirror moth. It doesn't exist. I told her

01:47:27.869 --> 01:47:30.649
to do two. One is a phoenix, which is kind of

01:47:30.649 --> 01:47:33.449
cliche, which is existing, right? And the other

01:47:33.449 --> 01:47:37.350
one is new based on the lore from my book and

01:47:37.350 --> 01:47:40.949
blah, blah, blah. A mirror moth. A mirror moth

01:47:40.949 --> 01:47:45.529
is a species that exists. But this one is reimagined

01:47:45.529 --> 01:47:50.670
to be like magical. It sounds cool. Yeah. Okay.

01:47:51.970 --> 01:47:57.000
I like AI. I like it in all aspects. Like, I

01:47:57.000 --> 01:47:58.659
know people are like, oh, AI is so bad because

01:47:58.659 --> 01:48:01.079
it makes art. Who cares? Let it make art. It's

01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:03.479
not that people can't make art. It's not that

01:48:03.479 --> 01:48:05.739
AI is bad. It's the people that might exploit

01:48:05.739 --> 01:48:10.779
AI. But listen, and Ryan will attest to this.

01:48:11.060 --> 01:48:16.159
Yo, I love Sora and all the zany AI stuff it

01:48:16.159 --> 01:48:21.399
creates. I've been sending Ryan JD Vance memes.

01:48:22.479 --> 01:48:26.279
I love it. I love that someone is like, make

01:48:26.279 --> 01:48:31.520
JD Vance, I don't know, riding a skateboard down

01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:35.920
a big hill. It's fricking hilarious. Who is controlling

01:48:35.920 --> 01:48:39.859
AI? Right now it's okay because you can make

01:48:39.859 --> 01:48:44.720
that of JD Vance. Yeah. Great. But it's also

01:48:44.720 --> 01:48:47.340
not okay. It's also destroying the internet.

01:48:48.260 --> 01:48:52.439
Why? Because... Young people don't have technical

01:48:52.439 --> 01:48:55.159
literacy, so they can't tell truth from reality.

01:48:55.359 --> 01:48:56.560
No, you can literally go on Twitter and just

01:48:56.560 --> 01:48:59.359
watch bots argue each other. Entertainment, whatever.

01:48:59.979 --> 01:49:02.880
Listen, if you're dumb enough to do it, by all

01:49:02.880 --> 01:49:07.979
means. Why get upset about that? There's now

01:49:07.979 --> 01:49:09.899
more bot traffic on the internet. More cynical.

01:49:10.720 --> 01:49:13.539
Yeah, okay. So when you put it like that, I worry

01:49:13.539 --> 01:49:17.479
about that because I know how much energy...

01:49:17.659 --> 01:49:20.279
the internet uses, you know, and if it's just

01:49:20.279 --> 01:49:24.100
robots polluting our earth, then yeah, I say

01:49:24.100 --> 01:49:30.460
it's a problem. But otherwise, you know, okay,

01:49:30.600 --> 01:49:34.979
fine. It's completely destroyed. It's destroying

01:49:34.979 --> 01:49:37.859
a human connection. And hopefully this podcast

01:49:37.859 --> 01:49:41.779
is going some way to trying to fix that. I don't

01:49:41.779 --> 01:49:45.039
think AI is destroying human connection at all.

01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:49.699
Disagree. I'm sorry. Already destroyed. I'm not

01:49:49.699 --> 01:49:51.699
allowed to respond how I normally would respond

01:49:51.699 --> 01:49:54.359
and put them on this podcast. But I will contact

01:49:54.359 --> 01:49:56.460
them real nice. Let us know how the podcast went.

01:49:56.539 --> 01:50:00.659
Yeah. I've seen that. There was a professor who

01:50:00.659 --> 01:50:02.579
got tired of answering emails, so he just has

01:50:02.579 --> 01:50:06.000
an AI also responding to emails for her. I mean,

01:50:06.159 --> 01:50:09.439
hey, that's great. You know, what did professors

01:50:09.439 --> 01:50:12.140
use before AI to respond to emails? They used

01:50:12.140 --> 01:50:16.779
teaching assistants. Like, let's be real. Come

01:50:16.779 --> 01:50:19.340
on, that's it. They even use teaching as a spark

01:50:19.340 --> 01:50:23.359
your papers No, I think I think AI has its uses

01:50:23.359 --> 01:50:27.640
as a generative text model AI is useful and and

01:50:27.640 --> 01:50:31.460
and I just think that AI should Whatever it is.

01:50:31.460 --> 01:50:35.899
It should be relegated to the to the Purview

01:50:35.899 --> 01:50:40.340
of being a tool to assist you to create something

01:50:40.340 --> 01:50:44.699
I'm okay with people using AI to achieve CGI

01:50:45.479 --> 01:50:50.260
Right? But I'm not okay with someone using AI

01:50:50.260 --> 01:50:55.239
to create a video from scratch. Because I think

01:50:55.239 --> 01:50:59.079
then, like, and then taking credit for that,

01:50:59.220 --> 01:51:03.399
like going, oh, I created this thing. No, you

01:51:03.399 --> 01:51:06.840
didn't. You don't know any of the skills that

01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:11.319
went into creating that. They curated it. But

01:51:11.319 --> 01:51:15.199
you know, that kind of rhetoric has existed for

01:51:15.199 --> 01:51:19.760
the last 15 years. I remember when I started

01:51:19.760 --> 01:51:23.760
hearing, I'm a curator, I'll curate this. Pick

01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:26.859
and choose and take credit for it. I see no difference

01:51:26.859 --> 01:51:29.539
personally when it comes to AI and that dynamic.

01:51:30.760 --> 01:51:34.420
You're blurry. Yeah. Okay. You're not wrong.

01:51:34.760 --> 01:51:38.819
I see the curator angle that you could argue,

01:51:38.819 --> 01:51:43.010
but I don't think it's valid. Because you haven't

01:51:43.010 --> 01:51:45.250
curated. Like, you didn't go out and choose it.

01:51:45.369 --> 01:51:47.329
Something else went out and choose it. That's

01:51:47.329 --> 01:51:53.550
like me going into your house and saying, I curated

01:51:53.550 --> 01:51:56.149
this. Well, it's like you're the boss and you're

01:51:56.149 --> 01:51:59.149
telling your little minions to do the work. Oh,

01:51:59.170 --> 01:52:03.329
do this. But it was ultimately your idea. It's

01:52:03.329 --> 01:52:08.010
like using a calculator. Ryan has thoughts. It

01:52:08.010 --> 01:52:10.369
just reminds me of a certain someone you used

01:52:10.369 --> 01:52:13.189
to work for and that I still work for, you know,

01:52:13.310 --> 01:52:16.930
doing kind of the same thing. I use AI. Every

01:52:16.930 --> 01:52:19.869
guitar combination has already been played. We're

01:52:19.869 --> 01:52:26.210
all just remaking remakes of it. Yes, yes. That's

01:52:26.210 --> 01:52:29.130
true, I think, for the most part. You know, everything's

01:52:29.130 --> 01:52:32.130
just, everything, every form of art rides on

01:52:32.130 --> 01:52:35.390
the laurels of an older piece of art, I think.

01:52:36.250 --> 01:52:39.149
That's true truly originality is non -existent

01:52:39.149 --> 01:52:42.630
only authenticity remains condition Hey, you're

01:52:42.630 --> 01:52:44.789
looking at it from a panpsychist your point.

01:52:44.949 --> 01:52:47.710
We're all the cells the society reform is one

01:52:47.710 --> 01:52:55.810
thing Wow Big brain dude cosmic brain Learning

01:52:55.810 --> 01:52:58.390
over time. We're taking old thoughts that happened

01:52:58.390 --> 01:53:06.619
and we're expanding upon them over I hope literacy

01:53:06.619 --> 01:53:10.140
rate falling. Yeah, and when it comes to art

01:53:10.140 --> 01:53:12.000
and we're using the same kinds of like, I don't

01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:13.979
know, tropes and themes and stories, whatever,

01:53:14.300 --> 01:53:16.020
we're making it, it's still entertainment, it's

01:53:16.020 --> 01:53:18.140
still enjoyable. It can still be appreciated

01:53:18.140 --> 01:53:23.029
for other kinds of aspects. No, I don't appreciate

01:53:23.029 --> 01:53:26.630
AI creating videos that Facebook moms think are

01:53:26.630 --> 01:53:29.289
real when it's like a cat saving a baby from

01:53:29.289 --> 01:53:32.630
a fucking bear. It doesn't exist. It's not real,

01:53:33.329 --> 01:53:36.569
okay? You don't have the media, get off the internet!

01:53:38.029 --> 01:53:41.130
Okay, why worry about those people? They're dumb.

01:53:41.930 --> 01:53:44.130
They don't know any better. You let them be dumb.

01:53:44.799 --> 01:53:47.140
They're they're the reason we're in this like

01:53:47.140 --> 01:53:50.159
political shit storm that we're in is because

01:53:50.159 --> 01:53:52.359
of dumb people. They're dumb neighbors. Well,

01:53:52.359 --> 01:53:55.479
okay. I understand that. I'm gonna have to cut

01:53:55.479 --> 01:53:59.020
this whole part of like this is officially like

01:53:59.020 --> 01:54:02.020
like cutting out half. We're talking about conspiracy

01:54:02.020 --> 01:54:06.180
theories and things and then insulting some of

01:54:06.180 --> 01:54:07.720
the people that are into that. This kind of goes

01:54:07.720 --> 01:54:11.159
into the realm of conspiracy. You could create

01:54:11.159 --> 01:54:15.560
conspiracy via all the Michael Jackson Sora videos

01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:20.300
on the internet. Imagine the kids born. Imagine

01:54:20.300 --> 01:54:24.159
the kids born in like, I don't know, the 2010s.

01:54:24.180 --> 01:54:25.880
How old would they be now? Only 15. Okay, let's

01:54:25.880 --> 01:54:31.479
say 2000s. Like, I don't know. I wonder, this

01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:33.619
is how long I haven't been in like the Americas,

01:54:33.699 --> 01:54:36.680
but like, maybe Ryan can attest this. Ryan, if

01:54:36.680 --> 01:54:39.979
you teach students who are maybe 17 or 18, just

01:54:39.979 --> 01:54:43.390
new to university, like, do they know? That the

01:54:43.390 --> 01:54:46.890
memes on the internet are are not real like the

01:54:46.890 --> 01:54:48.970
source of like do they think those videos of

01:54:48.970 --> 01:54:52.090
Michael Jackson? Talking to like mr. Rogers are

01:54:52.090 --> 01:54:58.489
real they think that happened Like this is their

01:54:58.489 --> 01:55:05.829
only yeah But they also don't know the real they

01:55:05.829 --> 01:55:07.710
never experienced the real right only know the

01:55:07.710 --> 01:55:14.550
faith exactly Yeah, so by default, because they

01:55:14.550 --> 01:55:16.850
don't think there's anything, they think these

01:55:16.850 --> 01:55:19.090
are two people. Oh, they're real. Just by default,

01:55:19.210 --> 01:55:22.510
they just default to thinking they're real. They

01:55:22.510 --> 01:55:24.949
exist in the world because they have no like

01:55:24.949 --> 01:55:28.869
cultural vested interest in them. It's weird.

01:55:29.050 --> 01:55:32.449
Man, I wish, I wish, I wish Baudrillard were

01:55:32.449 --> 01:55:35.489
still alive. And in the face of this, you also

01:55:35.489 --> 01:55:41.119
go like Baudrillard, Sora is a good thing. It's

01:55:41.119 --> 01:55:44.220
sort of an entertaining thing. I love it. I think

01:55:44.220 --> 01:55:51.119
it's hilarious what's going on. I can buy entertainment.

01:55:52.140 --> 01:56:01.500
Yeah. No country yet. No group of people has,

01:56:01.500 --> 01:56:08.819
as far as I know, used AI for some kind of political

01:56:08.819 --> 01:56:14.270
gain. South America, yeah. Oh, have they? Okay.

01:56:16.930 --> 01:56:24.729
Really? I believe it was Brazil. Incredible.

01:56:26.470 --> 01:56:30.989
I was going to say like South Park to push some

01:56:30.989 --> 01:56:36.939
kind of agenda. I support that message. That

01:56:36.939 --> 01:56:40.439
was hilarious. I have no doubt that chat bots

01:56:40.439 --> 01:56:44.840
using some kind of AI in Russia is influencing

01:56:44.840 --> 01:56:47.840
American politics. Oh, yeah, definitely. But

01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:51.260
are there videos being made to trick a populace?

01:56:51.579 --> 01:56:54.520
That's the question. Because it's the specular

01:56:54.520 --> 01:56:59.439
that's more effective than just like, you know,

01:56:59.600 --> 01:57:03.859
words, text, whatever. I think that there are

01:57:03.859 --> 01:57:07.050
some Well, here's the problem, two problems.

01:57:07.649 --> 01:57:11.350
Number one, we've already seen some of the politicians

01:57:11.350 --> 01:57:17.449
in America going, oh, I didn't say that, that's

01:57:17.449 --> 01:57:22.130
AI. So it casts doubt. Like, unless you were

01:57:22.130 --> 01:57:25.789
holding the fucking camera, nothing is real.

01:57:29.470 --> 01:57:35.819
That is a major problem. fake things are being

01:57:35.819 --> 01:57:39.720
generated by AI and how the next generation of

01:57:39.720 --> 01:57:42.619
models are being trained on that data. So the

01:57:42.619 --> 01:57:45.300
fake things are being misconstrued as truth.

01:57:46.300 --> 01:57:49.640
So it's getting dumber and dumber with each iteration

01:57:49.640 --> 01:57:52.020
because the past iterations, hallucinations,

01:57:53.020 --> 01:57:56.880
and bad uses are getting misconstrued as truth

01:57:56.880 --> 01:58:00.149
mixed up with the truth and now it's... It's

01:58:00.149 --> 01:58:02.430
going to compound on itself. So let's really

01:58:02.430 --> 01:58:04.590
curate your data set that you train your model.

01:58:04.850 --> 01:58:09.510
So AI is eating itself. Yeah. Getting dumber.

01:58:09.810 --> 01:58:14.409
Good. That's a good thing. We see an active campaign

01:58:14.409 --> 01:58:17.770
right now on Wikipedia to erase anything UFO

01:58:17.770 --> 01:58:20.430
related, any kind of science or research into

01:58:20.430 --> 01:58:22.569
it or events. A lot of them are getting erased

01:58:22.569 --> 01:58:27.630
from Wikipedia. So the later models. Just the

01:58:27.630 --> 01:58:30.409
later models. Don't say anything positive or

01:58:30.409 --> 01:58:34.069
talk about the subject. I like that we've...

01:58:34.069 --> 01:58:35.810
See, now Ruby, you have to include this in the

01:58:35.810 --> 01:58:38.989
podcast. We've brought it back. I like the hermeneutics

01:58:38.989 --> 01:58:41.409
of this conversation. Back to your pose, baby!

01:58:41.430 --> 01:58:41.989
I'm just gonna cut out where I say people are

01:58:41.989 --> 01:58:45.109
dumb. Yeah. Why, come on. Then why not? That's

01:58:45.109 --> 01:58:47.369
not so bad. People are dumb. I'll leave it in.

01:58:47.430 --> 01:58:49.229
I'll leave it in. I'll leave it in. Don't worry.

01:58:50.090 --> 01:58:53.390
I think this... I'm dumb. You're dumb. We're

01:58:53.390 --> 01:58:53.890
all dumb. Let's be dumb together. I think this

01:58:53.890 --> 01:58:56.449
whole podcast, there's almost nothing I need

01:58:56.449 --> 01:58:59.029
to cut out. It's just gonna like run smoothly,

01:58:59.090 --> 01:59:02.930
to be honest. I think so too. Listen, when Ryan

01:59:02.930 --> 01:59:06.470
comes on, it's the best time. He's a good...

01:59:06.470 --> 01:59:08.590
He's our foreign expert. He's great. I'm trying

01:59:08.590 --> 01:59:11.210
to do the book. Trying to do the book as a reference.

01:59:11.479 --> 01:59:14.039
in an argument yesterday online and the person

01:59:14.039 --> 01:59:16.220
says, I think an accepted book is an evidence.

01:59:16.359 --> 01:59:20.340
I don't want to read that. We're going to that

01:59:20.340 --> 01:59:23.060
point. I need, I need somebody to summarize,

01:59:23.199 --> 01:59:25.300
AI summarize this for me. I don't want it actually.

01:59:26.020 --> 01:59:31.279
Yeah, nah. Yikes. Fair enough. It's just, it's

01:59:31.279 --> 01:59:33.800
the new, AI is the new cliff notes, I guess.

01:59:35.460 --> 01:59:40.020
That's true. Um, Ryan, do you have social media?

01:59:40.199 --> 01:59:42.899
you would like for me to call out or anything.

01:59:44.020 --> 01:59:51.779
Can you send it in the chat? I'm not really a

01:59:51.779 --> 01:59:54.520
big social media guy trying to stay away from

01:59:54.520 --> 01:59:57.020
it as much as possible because it's just rotting

01:59:57.020 --> 02:00:07.289
our brains. That's a good point. If you don't

02:00:07.289 --> 02:00:09.670
want Ruby to share it, she won't. I mean, I don't

02:00:09.670 --> 02:00:11.850
even, I don't share mine. I don't think it's

02:00:11.850 --> 02:00:15.850
worth sharing. So yours is, it's not a Q, it's

02:00:15.850 --> 02:00:19.590
a K, huh? Yeah. You're a photographer. Share

02:00:19.590 --> 02:00:22.649
yourself. I agree. You should give me something

02:00:22.649 --> 02:00:25.829
to share. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, that

02:00:25.829 --> 02:00:31.189
was Kaleidoscope with our guest. Ryan, you can

02:00:31.189 --> 02:00:34.449
find Ryan on, what is this, Instagram? Quicksilver?

02:00:36.689 --> 02:00:43.869
Instagram, at Quicksil - Oh, Q - What? That's

02:00:43.869 --> 02:00:47.250
a J, not a K, right? It's a K. He just misspelled

02:00:47.250 --> 02:00:52.310
it. With a - But there's a Quidge -silver. Yeah,

02:00:52.430 --> 02:00:55.590
he misspelled it. It's quick. It's quick. Oh,

02:00:55.609 --> 02:01:06.149
it's Q -U -I -K -silver. All one word. 10152.

02:01:06.390 --> 02:01:13.189
Q -U -I -K -S -I -L -V -E -R 10152. You can find

02:01:13.189 --> 02:01:17.210
Kaleidoscope on Instagram at firefromheat, or

02:01:17.210 --> 02:01:23.510
on TikTok at heatfromfire, or on YouTube at rayleo.

02:01:23.850 --> 02:01:28.180
You can also find us on echoember .co .uk and

02:01:28.180 --> 02:01:32.060
it has been a pleasure to host you today. I'm

02:01:32.060 --> 02:01:33.140
going to stop the recording.