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Yes. Right. How do you want me to introduce you?

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So I'm a mind expansion coach and inner wealth

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mentor. And I host two podcasts. The one that

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I've recently launched, it's Inner Power Out

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of Prosperity. And the other is Wellness and

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Beyond, which I co -host with my wife and partner,

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Julie. Cool. And yeah, that's who I am. I live

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in Spain. Really? Yeah. I had no idea. How is

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it living in Spain? Oh, it's really amazing.

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People are amazing. And the climate is not bad

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either, you know, compared to the rest of Europe.

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Yeah. Sure. I mean, where I live, knowing Spanish

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is a must. Otherwise, it's hard to get by. But

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otherwise, apart from that, Spanish is not that

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difficult, you know, to learn. There are a lot

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of... English words also, you know, rock words

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that overlap in English as well. Well, listen,

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let me tell you why my minor in university was

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Spanish. I don't remember a lick of it. I don't

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even know how I passed. I remember having one

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conversation with my professor and she was like,

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I was doing well, maybe like mid 80s, which is

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like maybe like a B minus. and I just could not

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convince her I didn't know what I was doing.

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Like I wrote papers and I was like, I don't know

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what I'm saying. And she's like, no, you're good.

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You're good. And I was like, I don't know. And

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I just, I think I was bad at it. I don't know.

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I don't know. I think they just gave it to me.

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So I don't remember any of my Spanish at all.

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So, you know, congratulations to you for learning.

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Thanks. But you know what, frankly, I mean, right

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when we came here, we took classes. I mean, we

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didn't know Spanish. We didn't know how to speak

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Spanish when we arrived here. And so we did start

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with classes because that was the most obvious

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thing to do. But to be very frank with you, it

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was not the classes that actually helped more

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than was the conversations, the imperfect conversations

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that we had with the people around. Yeah, that's

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usually how, I mean, that's how I grasped, you

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know, my limited Chinese. It was when I first

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came to China, I loved going to tea shops. And

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so I would just go into tea shops and just guess.

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He says limited Chinese. His Chinese is very

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good. You can read Chinese. I can see it. I can

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speak better than you, but you can definitely

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read much better than me. Yeah, I guess so. It's

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weird that I can't recognize it. In terms of

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being able to build a language by yourself and

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gaining autonomy, reading is far more important.

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But to be fair, I can't read, like, I couldn't

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read a child's storybook. I can read everyday

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things, if that makes sense. Like, I can go into

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grocery stores. Like, I can read ingredients,

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food, titles of shops. It's really strange. But

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a book with that abstract kind of thinking, I

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can't. Can read a children's storybook, but there's

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no way that I can read ingredients of a recipe,

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for example. Just different interests, you know?

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That's it. Apparently. It depends on the use

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case. Like how much are you using the language?

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What are you using the language for? Definitely.

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Like Ruby and I are language teachers essentially,

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so like we know what to do. I just don't do it.

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I know how to learn to read. Yeah, I know the

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secrets of learning a language. I'm just bothered.

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I have all the tools. They're in the toolbox

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over there. And I haven't opened it in like weeks.

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Okay. Tough questions. Honest answers. Oh, the

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messy truth. Your perspectives. Let's begin.

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Welcome to Kaleidoscope. So speaking of mind

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expansion, as the name suggests, mind is what

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I would just say consciousness. So it's expansion

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of our consciousness because as a root of it,

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we are energy, we are consciousness. So it's

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all about just expanding our awareness to access

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what lies beyond or what lies within. And to

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basically access the field or some people like

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to call it access the Akashic records or some

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people like to call it accessing the higher mind

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or deeper level of consciousness or higher or

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higher self, you know, a lot of names, but to

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access that essence of who you really are. And

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that's where it kind of directly connects with

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my, the other thing that I do actually, it's

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not like a separation, but I just, since I offer,

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I have two offerings, I have like two things

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that I do, but it's, it's an actuality. It's

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just the same thing. So inner wealth mentor,

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as the name suggests now, since I said, expanding

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and accessing your ascents, right? And inner

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wealth, as the name suggests, is all that you

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need. The answers, the true wealth is actually

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within you. And if you want to change what's

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external to you, if you want to change your experiences

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in life, if you want to get somewhere, you want

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to do something, then you have to access that

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internal wealth. So that's what I do. Mind expansion

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and inner wealth window. And with these two podcasts,

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the new one that I just launched, which is Inner

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Power, Out of Prosperity, again, just suggests

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that the power is within, the wealth is within.

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And even to gain out of prosperity, we need to

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access what's within, we need to align with what's

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within that directly gets in touch with our purpose.

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And with basically connecting to that inner self

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and having more clarity on that level. And so

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here in this podcast, I invite people who are

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already at the, they have already had success

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in life, they have outer prosperity. And then

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I interview them to basically know their journey,

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how they dealt with those inner turmoil and all

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the fears and what all the inner demons that

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they were facing and how they got themselves

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to align with what was inside of them. Because

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you know most of the successful people today

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that we see and you know influencers and creators

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They've all had a journey and and most of them

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have come from a place of struggle where they

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have been broken including myself and So I feel

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that that's the most important thing and yeah

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Our podcast was journey to wellness and beyond

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before but now we are changing the name and making

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it wellness and beyond we are rebooting and changing

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the style of podcasting, we'll be focusing more

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on interviewing guests. And so Wellness and Beyond,

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as the name suggests, was actually where I started

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from, like post pandemic, because I lost my mom

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to breast cancer. So I always had this question

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of, why cancer? How can we get to wellness? And

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that got both me and my wife motivated into studying

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this. At first, it was unofficial, but then of

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course, the pandemic caused us to kind of switch

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in and making it into a career, a profession.

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And so Wellness and Beyond is about focused on

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how we can work on the physical body and also

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as the name Beyond suggests, like the mental,

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the consciousness, where also the part of my

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mind expansion gets in. And eventually tapping

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into things like lucid dreaming tools, I would

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say, or even things like, you know, remote viewing.

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the inabilities that we already have. And our

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goal at the end is just that people wake up to

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their real power, their inner power, so that

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they can thrive not just in wellness, but also

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in prosperity and abundance in life. And really

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like to understand that even happiness is a state

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of mind and everything is achievable. And, you

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know, give the power back into the hands of people.

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Hello, welcome to Kaleidoscope. My name is Ruby

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Ray Liu and I am the host of this podcast. I'm

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also the enemy of all fridges and feared by all

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snacks. Today, I am joined by, how do I articulate

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this? Ah yes, my co -host, Luigi. Gee, thanks.

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Co -host and dear friend Luigi and Arjun... Chabra.

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Arjun Chabra is a... I'm very honored to have

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you join us. I'm interested in your story. I

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read it when you first posted it on Slack in

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RSS, which is how we connected. Arjun can be

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found, dear listener, on YouTube at A -R -J -U

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-N -R -C -H -H. Actually, that is the handle

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for all of his socials and Instagram. YouTube,

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and X. Please check him out. Arjun Chh. Arjun,

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welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having

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me. It's a pleasure and honor to be here with

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you. Do you want to take part in our little allegory

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slash thing? Reminders of who we are. Okay, yeah.

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I mean, I would love to, but I hope that you

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all go first because... Okay. I'm feared by all

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snacks. Luigi. Welcome. Joining us from Canada

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today. Yeah, the Great White North. One time.

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One time thing. Well, who knows? Anyway, I'm

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Luigi, future scrap collector. Why? Why? What

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scrap are you going to collect? Tin. Tin? I've

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been reading a book about the history of Japan

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after the war. It's really fascinating. And a

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part that built the economy was they would collect

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the tin from the occupying American soldiers

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and they would they would recycle it into toys

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for sale. And that's how they kind of saved their

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economy. You're saying that the Japanese economy

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is built on scrap metal. The toy industry yeah

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and those toys were taken from like the the thrown

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away tin cans yeah. Wow that is that's impressive

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I did not know that. It's really really fascinating

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anyway. I'm going to welcome you one more time.

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Harjit, welcome to the show. Thank you so much.

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Sorry, we were getting out in between, so I didn't

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quite catch what was happening. I'm saying, do

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you want to say something about yourself? Yeah,

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in terms of like funny or just who I am? Let's

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go for funny. Well, you can call me. Oh, and

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the silent underdog. I don't know what to say.

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The silent underdog, why would you describe yourself

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that way? It's funny because, you know, generally

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it's like underdog is someone who opposes, right?

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Trying to always go against the conventional

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way of doing things. But I do that, but I do

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it really silently, not out loud. So I am, I

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like, it's not like I like to always oppose,

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but knowing that the kind of society we live

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in, I definitely like to... I have my own ways

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of opposing and keeping my point and, you know,

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trying to bring out the truth and hopefully justice

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to as many as I can, including myself. Okay.

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So Arjun, the underdog that assassinates basically.

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Silent and deadly. Like a ninja. The ninja underdog.

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That's the ninja underdog. Arjun, the way Kaleidoscope

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works is Each of us shares a perspective or idea,

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and then the other two kind of delves into that

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for a little bit, and we see where the conversation

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goes. And then after that, we change it, yeah?

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In no particular order today, would you like

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to go first? All right. Do we do that to the

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guests? We usually make them go first? No, yeah,

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normally, normally I do. All I know is I always

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go last. You may go last. Arjen, would you like

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me to share your topic or would you like to introduce

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it? You please feel free and I'll definitely

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just join in. Yeah, please do. Okay. So today,

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you sent to me on the 26th of July. I'd love

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to share my perspective and journey in relation

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to achieving clarity and purpose that helps cultivating

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peace and prosperity. in life which directly

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ties into physical wellness. In short, how everything

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is connected. I thought that was beautiful because

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I really like the fact that everything is intersectional.

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We don't live linearly. We live in Venn diagrams

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of cause and effect. Absolutely. You know, the

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very first thing as children that we are always

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taught or the kind of perspective that you're

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given is to always look at things separately.

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You know, we have separate subjects and archaeology

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never mixes with geology, you know, and even

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in biology or, you know, let's say the conventional

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system, I wouldn't really go too much in depth

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about it because, you know, it's something like

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that easily can get taken down these days. everything

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is looked at separately, right? There's a cardiologist

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and there's another doctor who looks at the brain

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and there's another guy who like, you know, does

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the kidneys, et cetera, et cetera. So everything

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is always so separate. And the more I have, I,

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of course, I started delving into all of these

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things from the perspective of wellness and health.

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And now today I'm at a point where, where I realize

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after starting even functional medicine and reading

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a ton of other books and doing this and that,

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it's been a crazy journey for me. that it's not

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just the body that's connected together. We are

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connected not just to each other, but even the

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cosmos. And in fact, even our emotions are tied

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into our wellness. And even our outer prosperity

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is also tied into our own emotions and wellness

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and our state of mind. And you know, it's dictated

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by the nervous system. So it's, you know, like

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what I'm trying to say is everything is so interconnected.

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Like in the beginning, the reason also why I

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got into inner power out of prosperity, like

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inner wealth coaching and mind expansion and

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all that, because I realized that why are people

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not getting well? You know, we have been using

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different herbs, supplements and, you know, different

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approaches, like what we learned in function

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medicine and holistic wellness, but still people

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are just at the edge. One step out of line, chaos.

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So what's happening over here? And then of course.

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People are not right at the right point. People

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are not there yet mentally. Maybe they have issues

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they are dealing with or maybe they don't have

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prosperity in life. They don't have abundance

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in life. Maybe they live in fear of certain things.

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And again, our brain or our mind is not functioning

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based on what it sees in the outer world. It's

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functioning based on what we think is real in

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our mind. Right? And so everything is so tied

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together that if we need out -of -abundance,

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we need inner peace and even if we need wellness

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in our own physical body, we also, again, inner

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peace ties into the regulation of the nervous

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system and that's when our... biochemistry is,

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you know, it can get back to its default state

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the way it's supposed to be, not us always being

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in that fight or flight survival mode and that

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wrecks havoc. And then most of us find ourselves

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in a place where we are, you know, suffering

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from many problems, issues and diseases. And

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I think a lot of us... are trying to seek out

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the answers external to us and trying to solve

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this problem and that problem and maybe this

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is different or that is different or only to

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realize that everything is interconnected and

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it all starts from the head. It all starts from

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what we think and what we feel and what's inside

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and while also respecting what's outside. And

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there are like people fighting over perspectives

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and tools, or this tool and this modality is

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better, or that is better, or I am right, or

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you are wrong, just to realize that everything

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is just different perspectives. You know, we

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all are looking at different sides of the same

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coin, the same box, whatever you like to call

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it. So are all these perspectives like tools

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and they are all legitimate tools for finding

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a way? Or is there just one? How would put it

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is like, like wherever, like we all want to get

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to that one point in our life where we are not

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just physically well, but we are prosper and

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abundant and happy and all of those things, right?

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So let's say that goal is on top of a mountain.

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And that's just one point. The peak is, it's

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just a peak, right? It's just one point. And

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then there's, there are the slopes and there

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are the different terrains around it that make

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that mountain. And then we can take any path.

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So it's the journey, what journey are we taking?

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And let's say how we feel, what we think, and

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what modalities and techniques we plan to use,

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whether it's getting well, you know, physically

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well, or it's something that can be mentally

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support us or something that we use internally

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to grow like our consciousness or expand our

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consciousness. And we use different modalities,

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techniques, basically, it's based on our belief

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systems. And then we try all try to climb the

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same mountain. And just to realize that we all

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are going to get to the same point and it doesn't

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matter what tool we use, they all are valid.

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They all are valid at different points. Like

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for example, you can't even climb the whole mountain

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just using one tool. A lot of people also make

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that mistake of thinking that, for example, only

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the conventional medical system can help. or

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only the holistic wellness system can help. But

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when there's an acute situation, you need the

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conventional system. And when it's a chronic

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issue or illness, then you need to take different

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steps which are more aligned with the holistic

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wellness system. And so there's no one right

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answer. And based on our situations, we need

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to use different tools. Basically, we need to

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be more open and flexible. And the more accepting

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we are and the more we are ready to let go and

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be not stubborn, not too adamant on our ways

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and our way of thinking, the better it is for

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us and the faster we can climb the mountain.

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Yeah. No, I like that. It's like a bricolage

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of self -care. And I think that is, yeah, I think

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that's the best strategy personally. I think

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it almost becomes kind of political when people

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limit themselves on the best avenue for something.

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Like, you know... just, let's say, just, you

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know, Western medicine versus some other form,

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things like that. Because obviously, you know,

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the joy of being human, I think, is, or at least

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being a part of humanity and civilization, is

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that everyone has, or at least society has been

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broken down into a kind of mode of expertise.

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And it seems really limiting. But the paradox,

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I think, is that It is what advances humanity

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so quickly. And it's when we use all of those,

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you know, tools, for example, like you can go

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to an osteopath, you can go to a physical therapist

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for many issues, and then you go to a dietician

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for other dietary issues. So yeah, and the issues,

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the things that happen or the challenges that

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arise are when people limit themselves You know,

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oh, I'm only going to eat holistic food or things

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like that. What's the fun in life if we are always

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trying to be perfect, right? Definitely. Yeah.

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Tell me about it. Do we think that there is value

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in the like compartmentalization and specialization?

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The thing that I'm sitting with is at the beginning

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of the conversation you said The first thing

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we're taught as kids is that everything has a

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time and place, kind of, right? So we have subjects

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and then we have professions. So, but obviously

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those professions, those skills, they have inherent

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value, like specialization is important, right?

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It's important, but at the same time, we also

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need to leave space for bridging them, right?

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For connecting them. Because a lot of times it's

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like... I am in isolation, but I want to be in

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isolation. It's just like, you know, our lives.

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We need time for ourselves also, right? We need

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our time of being with our thoughts and ourselves.

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We need our isolate. You know, we want to be

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by ourselves and there are times we want to spend

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with others and being community. There's always

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has to be a balance. So there's nothing wrong

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with specialization, but there has to be also

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points of connection that have to be left on

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the table. Absolutely, right? Open -mindedness.

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Balance. Exactly. And that's what's absent in

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our society. Sometimes, you know, people are

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so adamant, they just don't want to think outside

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the box. They don't stick with what they have

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taught. So, look, I don't want to make this political,

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but I do have to say this one thing. You can

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make it political. It's strange. It is very strange

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that countries have had to make laws for diversity,

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equity and inclusion. Why isn't that the default?

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Like, why doesn't that just exist within our

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society by default? To me, that's kind of a concerning

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factor. Sorry to cut you off, Ruby. No, no, please

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go ahead. I think that happens because, maybe

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I'm going to sound really arrogant when I say

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this, but I think that happens because a lot

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of, you know, the majority of society, perhaps,

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when those laws were created, weren't educated,

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weren't taught certain methods of thinking. you

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know, weren't critical thinkers. It was just

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really regimented and, well, like we're saying.

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So, a lot of the kind of disaster happened. Does

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that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm just,

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I'm laughing because how did it, like, the majority

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of people were not educated enough to be able

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to think critically about this, but now we look

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at the states and we have an active rollback

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of DEI and that, that baffles me. Okay, but,

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okay, fair enough. But how many? If we look at

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the statistics, how many Americans are educated?

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Yeah, I know. That's the concern. That's why

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I'm laughing. That's terrifying that we have

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the richest nation in the world that is actively...

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I always knew this is going to sound bad, but

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it's a legacy of this exact system of... of oppression

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and compartmentalization and not sharing that

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resulted in the majority of the South African

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population being left in poverty and being uneducated,

00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.539
right? Yeah. So they're not even able to engage.

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I always knew that. But maybe I'm ignorant here.

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I never, never, never knew that about. I mean,

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there was a point in my life where I started

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realizing that the Deep South has a problem with

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education, but I never thought that it would

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be so systemic to the point where we are now.

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And kind of to bring it back to the podcast,

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Arjun, how would you say that that is connected

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to inner wealth? Exactly. You know, as Luigi

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pointed out, it was, it was, yeah, sure, not

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being educated was one factor. But at the same

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time, the most biggest factor of all was also

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giving away our inner power to someone else,

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an external authority, a group of people who

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decided what's right and what's wrong for you.

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And then people blindly followed. Why did they

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follow? Because they thought they weren't good

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enough or there were certain aspects of the society

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that I wouldn't want to say. which we all know

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about, you know, people going to... I mean, I

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don't want to make it too controversial, so I'm

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not going to say the word, but, you know, it's

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connected to worship, right? And they have always

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kind of been connected with, you know, the political

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systems and other systems, and they have always

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dictated what's right for the people. and what

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should be taught, what should not be taught.

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And then again, people gave away their power.

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If everyone is standing in their power, who has

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the right to tell people what is right and what

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is wrong, except the people themselves deciding.

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So we all blindfolded ourselves and we went on

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with whatever is taught to us. But I'm glad that

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at least today we are in a place in our society

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where there is a revolt there's a revolution

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where people are waking up where people are saying

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hey that's not good like people are speaking

00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:10.660
out you know we are i feel we are growing and

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i like to see or i like to believe the future

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has been a much brighter one for all of us for

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humanity because i see us getting there i compare

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arch day to 200 years ago sure not everything's

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perfect but it's definitely better i mean you

00:26:26.140 --> 00:26:28.099
we couldn't have spoken about these things 200

00:26:28.099 --> 00:26:31.880
years ago No, we wouldn't have known that the

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three of us existed. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

00:26:36.220 --> 00:26:38.019
that's very interesting. Also, there's another

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thing I would like to, like a spiritual perspective

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I can throw in over here. By all means. Earth

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is a school. I mean, I have, you know, in mind

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expansion sessions, what happens is, you know,

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sometimes people talk to their future selves,

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sometimes they communicate with their higher

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selves, sometimes they communicate with their

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parallel selves, parallel selves, or sometimes

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they... communicate with their past selves. Which

00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:05.819
is just an indication that there are like Earth

00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:09.079
is a school and this is not home, a permanent

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home. We are here to get educated, to have experiences

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and then we graduate, right? And then we are

00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:18.460
on holiday until we start again and bumping up

00:27:18.460 --> 00:27:21.920
the level one step further. I've heard this theory

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before, like, before you said it now, you mentioned

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it in school. I would have defined it as spiritual

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maturity. I have heard it too. Yeah, in terms

00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:36.779
of spirituality. Yeah. So, I mean, I have come

00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:39.220
across, even my own self, I have seen past lives.

00:27:39.500 --> 00:27:42.359
And whenever we ask the higher self, people never

00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:44.319
come, you know, for mind expansion, people never

00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:46.160
come because they want to see their past or see

00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:47.720
their future, whatever. They come with a problem.

00:27:48.059 --> 00:27:50.279
I have this problem, I don't know how to solve

00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:53.319
it or I'm anxious or I'm fearful, what should

00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.039
I do? And they want answers, they can't find

00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.619
answers, right? So you go inside, you expand

00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:01.279
your consciousness, but everything is inside.

00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:06.200
How do you do that? How do you go inside and

00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:08.000
expand your consciousness to the point where

00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.039
you could speak to future, past or parallel self?

00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:13.279
Yeah, sure, I'd be happy to tell you. So the

00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:15.559
first thing you do that we don't do in today's

00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:19.200
society, is to first sit within ourselves, sit

00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.539
with us, be in the present moment, be grounded

00:28:21.539 --> 00:28:25.599
and not get carried away by what had happened

00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:28.039
in the past or what will happen in the future.

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By just being present for yourself, present in

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the place where you are, just being present.

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And slowly as you are spending more and more

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time with yourself, you start So this is what

00:28:40.210 --> 00:28:41.769
I'm trying to explain right now is something

00:28:41.769 --> 00:28:44.250
you can do by yourself as well without having

00:28:44.250 --> 00:28:46.210
like a mind expansion session. And then I'll

00:28:46.210 --> 00:28:48.410
get to what I do in a mind expansion session.

00:28:48.470 --> 00:28:52.250
All right. So we are always connected to a higher

00:28:52.250 --> 00:28:54.690
self. We are always connected. We are the essence,

00:28:54.690 --> 00:28:58.170
right? So it's all about being aware of it. And

00:28:58.170 --> 00:29:00.069
how do you be aware of it? So step one, like

00:29:00.069 --> 00:29:02.430
I say, is first being in the present moment.

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And then second step as you continue to do so.

00:29:06.269 --> 00:29:09.349
You slowly start not paying too much of attention.

00:29:09.390 --> 00:29:11.450
You don't stop your thoughts. You know, sometimes

00:29:11.450 --> 00:29:13.549
even I used to think meditation is about trying

00:29:13.549 --> 00:29:16.430
to stop your thoughts, but you can never do that.

00:29:16.549 --> 00:29:18.490
As long as a person is physically alive, it's

00:29:18.490 --> 00:29:22.630
not possible. So you just don't engage with your

00:29:22.630 --> 00:29:25.710
thoughts. And eventually there comes a point

00:29:25.710 --> 00:29:28.329
and during one of the sessions, you know, one

00:29:28.329 --> 00:29:31.769
of our beings guided me by telling me that when

00:29:31.769 --> 00:29:33.730
I am in this state or when anyone is in this

00:29:33.730 --> 00:29:36.859
state, they should just start visualizing themselves

00:29:36.859 --> 00:29:39.539
in their mind's eye with their minds closed,

00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:42.859
standing away and seeing yourself sitting there.

00:29:43.180 --> 00:29:45.980
So in this way, what you do is you separate yourself

00:29:45.980 --> 00:29:48.380
from your ego, from your identity, the identity

00:29:48.380 --> 00:29:52.500
that the society has given you, that you have

00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:54.799
adapted to, that you have accepted for yourself.

00:29:55.299 --> 00:29:57.940
But you're not limited to your identity. You're

00:29:57.940 --> 00:30:02.039
more than your identity. You are a reflection

00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:03.940
of the universe. You're a reflection of all that

00:30:03.940 --> 00:30:08.039
is, that is infinite. You are infinite. Right?

00:30:08.700 --> 00:30:11.519
And so the moment you start doing that, you start

00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.400
connecting more and more to your sense and hence

00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.559
opens the bridge. You clear out the bridge for

00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:19.519
that connection with your higher self, with the

00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:23.420
universe. And whatever question you sit with,

00:30:23.740 --> 00:30:27.220
at that point in time, there is, I guarantee

00:30:27.220 --> 00:30:30.200
you, 101 % with absolute certainty, you will

00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:32.819
get the answer. Maybe not in the moment, sometimes

00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:35.220
in the moment. But you will definitely get the

00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:38.460
answer in the following hours or days. And that's

00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:42.059
how anyone can start connecting to that part

00:30:42.059 --> 00:30:44.660
of themselves that a sense. And as for what I

00:30:44.660 --> 00:30:48.099
do in the mind expansion session, I first start,

00:30:48.099 --> 00:30:50.819
of course, we we clarify the what the intention

00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:52.660
is, like I say, you know, even when you're sitting,

00:30:52.660 --> 00:30:54.880
you can always have a question you'd like to

00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:57.779
ask, or you always, we always clarify the intention

00:30:57.779 --> 00:31:01.200
of the questions a person has. And then we start

00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.460
with the breathing exercises to try and change

00:31:03.460 --> 00:31:05.859
to get to change the brainwave states, you know,

00:31:05.859 --> 00:31:08.099
because now as you're speaking, we are in a low

00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:13.059
beta, medium beta, low alpha, always never in

00:31:13.059 --> 00:31:15.099
one state, we are always like switching, right?

00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.579
So we need to get the brainwave state to change

00:31:18.579 --> 00:31:21.660
and go as close to theta as possible, which is

00:31:21.660 --> 00:31:24.200
the state we are in when, you know, we are just

00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:25.960
before falling asleep and just before waking

00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:29.559
up like a dreamlike state or daydream state.

00:31:30.179 --> 00:31:33.420
And some of us find ourselves even bumping up

00:31:33.420 --> 00:31:35.880
into gamma, where you're hyper aware. And that

00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.279
happened with me. I was like freaking hyper aware

00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.200
of everything. What was happening in the room?

00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.180
What was happening in the session? What was happening

00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:45.500
outside of the house? Everything was so clear.

00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:47.440
And, but when I woke up from the session, everything

00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.079
felt like it was a daydream. It was a dream.

00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.980
I was hyper aware when that was happening. So

00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:58.359
with breathing, and then I like to use Greg Braden's

00:31:58.250 --> 00:32:01.470
What he suggests that you get into an elevated

00:32:01.470 --> 00:32:04.470
state of emotion as even Dr Joe Dispenza speaks

00:32:04.470 --> 00:32:07.269
of. As we get into an elevated state of emotion

00:32:07.269 --> 00:32:10.349
and knowing that the vibration, everything is

00:32:10.349 --> 00:32:12.769
energy and hence everything has vibration. The

00:32:12.769 --> 00:32:15.769
vibration of the divine is love. And for that

00:32:15.769 --> 00:32:17.869
reason, I love the movie Interstellar. It's very

00:32:17.869 --> 00:32:21.730
close to my heart. Love is the most purest, the

00:32:21.730 --> 00:32:25.109
most divine form of emotion, the highest ever

00:32:25.109 --> 00:32:28.480
on the highest vibration. Ruby, you want to say

00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:32.720
something? Yeah. So this whole conversation has

00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:36.420
so many links to our conversation with Diane.

00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.559
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah.

00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:44.099
And so you've touched on resonance and vibration

00:32:44.099 --> 00:32:47.140
and the higher self. Pretty much the only thing

00:32:47.140 --> 00:32:53.140
we've really missed is what spirits are, basically.

00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.579
And I'd actually love to engage with you on that.

00:32:55.859 --> 00:32:58.380
But the thing I wanted to ask was, have you read

00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:00.940
The Power of Holy Language? I haven't read the

00:33:00.940 --> 00:33:04.880
book. Okay. Is it a book? It's a book, yeah.

00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:10.640
I have the audio book. I consume books via audio

00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.099
because I spend a lot of time in my car. But

00:33:13.099 --> 00:33:17.779
it spoke exactly about this. The vibration of

00:33:17.779 --> 00:33:22.240
the divine is love and acceptance. and flowering

00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:26.420
of everything. So yeah, sorry to interrupt. Carry

00:33:26.420 --> 00:33:29.160
on. Wise. Yeah, absolutely. So that's what it

00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.420
is. And the more we can align with that vibration

00:33:31.420 --> 00:33:34.559
before we get into the next steps, the more better

00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.519
it is for that connection I feel for everything

00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.700
that is to unfold. And once we get the person

00:33:40.700 --> 00:33:44.220
into my client into a higher, you know, emotional,

00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:46.960
like a very emotional state, which is more of

00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.680
love and joy. And freedom, that's when we start

00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.559
a guided visualization process. Because the mind,

00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.539
the imagination or visualization is a bridge

00:33:58.539 --> 00:34:02.299
that connects the higher dimensions or all that

00:34:02.299 --> 00:34:06.480
is the quantum field or the Higgs field or the

00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.639
universe, whatever you want to call it, to us,

00:34:10.139 --> 00:34:13.179
wherever we are now. And so through visualization,

00:34:13.300 --> 00:34:16.519
we slowly start shifting or expanding that consciousness.

00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:21.119
into including what we generally don't include

00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.860
as we live in the third dimension, which is restricted

00:34:23.860 --> 00:34:27.340
by time and space, to finally expand our consciousness

00:34:27.340 --> 00:34:30.440
and move beyond this limitation where we can

00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:32.900
experience more time, where we can experience

00:34:32.900 --> 00:34:35.860
all the times, all the possibilities, all that

00:34:35.860 --> 00:34:39.000
there is, because that's where the answers lie.

00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:43.039
And it was very interesting. So please go ahead.

00:34:45.699 --> 00:34:48.699
I want to ask, do you think there's a group of

00:34:48.699 --> 00:34:51.840
people who is not able to do this? Are there

00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.340
people in an emotional state who will not be

00:34:54.340 --> 00:34:56.599
able to achieve this because of that emotional

00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.360
state? I'm thinking of like, for example, depression.

00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:03.260
Are there barriers to entry? First of all, for

00:35:03.260 --> 00:35:06.840
everyone, this is possible. There is no exception

00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.780
to this, except, of course, as you said, there

00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:12.730
can be certain emotions. that can prevent the

00:35:12.730 --> 00:35:15.809
person from entering into the state of expanding

00:35:15.809 --> 00:35:19.409
their consciousness, being fear of the process

00:35:19.409 --> 00:35:23.030
itself or what's to unfold, anxiety and anxiety

00:35:23.030 --> 00:35:25.349
around the whole process or maybe anxiety about

00:35:25.349 --> 00:35:30.329
something else. And you know why that is? It's

00:35:30.329 --> 00:35:33.030
tied to our brainwave state. Because if fear,

00:35:33.190 --> 00:35:35.690
anxiety and all these are more relevant to the

00:35:35.690 --> 00:35:39.119
beta brainwave state, And so if you're constantly

00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:41.639
in the beta brainwave state, so I have this,

00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.000
I drew this, I created this diagram, which I

00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.460
have placed on my website and it's like an iceberg.

00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.159
So we are always, and there's a tip of the iceberg

00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.619
that's above the water and there's a huge part

00:35:54.619 --> 00:35:57.179
of the iceberg that's below in the ocean, right?

00:35:57.420 --> 00:35:59.980
And you're always only accessing that part, which

00:35:59.980 --> 00:36:04.320
is above the water that you can think of as beta

00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:07.159
alpha. what we are generally like driving, talking,

00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.340
sleep, like everything else except sleeping,

00:36:09.340 --> 00:36:13.800
of course. And when we sleep, we drop down, we

00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.280
drop down into the ocean and access the most

00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.539
lowest point, you know, the Delta. Yeah. But

00:36:19.539 --> 00:36:22.159
then there are other parts that we can access

00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.579
them. When we finally, when we start diving down

00:36:24.579 --> 00:36:27.179
into the ocean, we start expanding our consciousness.

00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:31.179
So anything that can prevent a person to shift

00:36:31.179 --> 00:36:33.800
their brainwave state, can actually prevent the

00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:35.800
person from getting into that state. That's exactly

00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.139
what I wanted to ask. Yeah. Good. So it's like,

00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:43.780
I'm going to, I'm going to move on to, to, into

00:36:43.780 --> 00:36:47.900
my question, the way that we chose our topics.

00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:50.900
Coincidentally, I think they fit quite well into

00:36:50.900 --> 00:36:56.820
what you were thinking. And my question is, how

00:36:56.820 --> 00:37:00.460
do you think technology, how, how is technology

00:37:00.460 --> 00:37:04.460
related to what you do and how does it integrate

00:37:04.460 --> 00:37:08.719
into our spirituality, our inner wealth and mind

00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:12.239
expansion. I see technology just as another tool,

00:37:12.380 --> 00:37:15.639
right? And again, people are arguing AI is bad.

00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:18.000
Some people say AI is a boon, it's a blessing.

00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:20.739
Again, it's like a tool like a knife. You can

00:37:20.739 --> 00:37:23.179
either kill someone with a knife or you can do

00:37:23.179 --> 00:37:26.219
something fantastic. You can create something

00:37:26.219 --> 00:37:29.300
artistic, right? Or you can do something as basic

00:37:29.300 --> 00:37:33.130
as cutting vegetables. It's up to us. And as

00:37:33.130 --> 00:37:36.369
far as I don't know if you read recently, there

00:37:36.369 --> 00:37:41.530
were some articles about quantum computers that

00:37:41.530 --> 00:37:46.610
they can access other dimensions and other realities

00:37:46.610 --> 00:37:51.110
that is beyond the third dimension or the very

00:37:51.110 --> 00:37:53.550
linear way we think of, you know, it's working

00:37:53.550 --> 00:37:57.969
in a very different way. It's accessing parallel

00:37:57.969 --> 00:38:01.170
realities. It's accessing more than just the

00:38:01.170 --> 00:38:04.329
present time, and which already exists. So it's

00:38:04.329 --> 00:38:07.989
actually accessing all of this. And I feel that

00:38:07.989 --> 00:38:10.210
maybe not changing the topic, but maybe it's

00:38:10.210 --> 00:38:13.389
connected to what you previously sent me, the

00:38:13.389 --> 00:38:18.269
snapshot. Everything has to exist, already exists.

00:38:19.590 --> 00:38:23.010
Everything that is, that will come in the future,

00:38:23.010 --> 00:38:25.349
that has been in the past, that is in the present,

00:38:26.110 --> 00:38:28.429
everything already exists and is still going

00:38:28.429 --> 00:38:33.380
on. We are never creating anything. We are always

00:38:33.380 --> 00:38:35.239
shifting. We are always shifting. We are never

00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:39.199
creating, we are always shifting. But at the

00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:42.219
state that we are in now, we have no idea what

00:38:42.219 --> 00:38:45.719
has already existed, right? But then do you think

00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:49.260
there's a predeterminism or are we able to jump

00:38:49.260 --> 00:38:51.980
between parallel realities? My question really

00:38:51.980 --> 00:38:57.659
is, does freedom and free will exist? Absolutely.

00:38:57.659 --> 00:39:00.690
In your mind. absolutely does especially now

00:39:00.690 --> 00:39:03.570
if we think of from the point of view of our

00:39:03.570 --> 00:39:07.909
ego mind we have i mean we still have freedom

00:39:07.909 --> 00:39:10.869
not to that extent that we think of because our

00:39:10.869 --> 00:39:13.510
soul has already decided and again who is the

00:39:13.510 --> 00:39:17.090
soul it's us it's us that's not packed in a box

00:39:17.090 --> 00:39:21.010
right that's aware of everything so our soul

00:39:21.010 --> 00:39:23.590
has already decided the outcomes or the lessons

00:39:23.590 --> 00:39:26.489
it needs to learn it has already decided the

00:39:26.489 --> 00:39:30.050
experiences it needs to have, it needs, it wants

00:39:30.050 --> 00:39:33.909
to have, right? In the third dimension, like

00:39:33.909 --> 00:39:36.429
in the third dimension on earth, with this ego

00:39:36.429 --> 00:39:39.769
mind, the liberty that we have, the kind of freedom

00:39:39.769 --> 00:39:44.409
that we have is to choose how that unfolds, to

00:39:44.409 --> 00:39:46.670
what extent we experience something like, for

00:39:46.670 --> 00:39:49.210
example, if the soul has decided that it wants

00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:53.769
to experience some disease, right? Of course,

00:39:53.909 --> 00:39:55.969
there will be circumstances created in our lives

00:39:55.969 --> 00:39:59.320
that will cause it, but the way we handle it

00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:02.460
is going to determine to what extent we experience

00:40:02.460 --> 00:40:06.800
it. Is that making sense? Yeah. And it brings

00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.679
another question. Go ahead, Ruby. I asked the

00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:13.860
same question to Diane when we spoke to her.

00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:17.519
And my question really is, so you're talking

00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.119
about the soul, the soul wanting to experience

00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:25.219
things. And then I'm wondering, so I'm transgender.

00:40:26.300 --> 00:40:32.679
How do you think that relates to everything that

00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:36.219
you've said so far with regards to my soul, my

00:40:36.219 --> 00:40:39.659
higher self, and what I am? Because in my mind,

00:40:40.059 --> 00:40:44.260
it's not even in my mind, it's just fact. I have

00:40:44.260 --> 00:40:47.199
always existed with this personality. This is

00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:50.699
me. And this is more me now than it's ever been

00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:53.300
before because everything was performance based

00:40:53.300 --> 00:40:58.039
on ego. which I transcended. So, what's your

00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:02.739
opinion? So, we all have aspects of ourselves,

00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:06.039
right? The soul has many aspects. You are just

00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:09.219
this one form of you, that groupie ray, is one

00:41:09.219 --> 00:41:12.099
aspect of the soul. It does not define the soul.

00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.519
And as souls, we are eternal, right? We are limitless.

00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:18.960
And we experience everything. So that means,

00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.980
you or me or anyone else has experienced life

00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:26.699
even as a transgender, as a male, as a female,

00:41:26.860 --> 00:41:29.400
as another alien body, as anything and everything

00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.699
you can think of, right? And as we move on a

00:41:32.699 --> 00:41:34.760
higher level and we speak on a higher level,

00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.519
what are we? We are an essence of the Divine.

00:41:38.619 --> 00:41:43.320
We are a reflection of the Creator. We are all

00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:47.440
that is experiencing itself in different forms.

00:41:51.980 --> 00:41:54.079
In timelessness, we experience everything in

00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:57.519
the now. That means we cannot go through that

00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:00.519
journey. We cannot have those experiences linearly.

00:42:00.780 --> 00:42:02.739
It's a different experience. You know, experiencing

00:42:02.739 --> 00:42:05.480
everything in the now is so different than experiencing

00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:10.619
something linear, right? It's more enhanced that

00:42:10.619 --> 00:42:12.780
way. So that's the reason why we choose to limit

00:42:12.780 --> 00:42:15.219
ourselves and we have different experiences.

00:42:15.659 --> 00:42:17.519
Okay. We choose to limit ourselves because is

00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:21.480
it too overwhelming for our ego? No. No, no.

00:42:21.820 --> 00:42:25.000
The ego is there as something to just protect

00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:28.019
ourselves. It's not a bad thing. Right. Okay.

00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.880
Trying to wrap my head around it. So I had a

00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.340
question, but I forgot what it was. And it was

00:42:34.340 --> 00:42:37.159
so poignant. It was about, okay, give me a second.

00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.679
You can talk to me. I'm fun. Yeah, talk to Ruby.

00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.760
I'll remember it. Oh my goodness. Wait, wait,

00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.159
I got it. Okay. Sorry. Speaking of the soul,

00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:49.840
I remembered. So... Like, how do we get our,

00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:54.159
how do we talk to our soul? How do we get to

00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.699
know what it wants us to do? You're always, we're

00:42:56.699 --> 00:42:59.980
always being guided as to what to do. We never

00:42:59.980 --> 00:43:02.039
listen to our heart, do we? We never listen to

00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:04.280
our intuition. Well, I certainly don't. That's

00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:06.820
the compass. Yeah, that's the compass. And the

00:43:06.820 --> 00:43:09.980
way to connect more with it. Because remember,

00:43:10.619 --> 00:43:14.340
there's a lot of noise. Now, for example, when

00:43:14.340 --> 00:43:17.159
Ruby was recording without the mic, there was

00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:21.940
other noises along with her. And the way she

00:43:21.940 --> 00:43:25.599
isolated her voice, her voice from all the noise

00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:29.320
that was by, like I said, just being in the present

00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.179
moment helps by doing that. The first thing I

00:43:31.179 --> 00:43:33.199
told you, the way to connect with the higher

00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:35.880
self, or you can say the way to intuition higher

00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.800
self is the same thing. Or our soul, it's all

00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:42.030
the same thing, higher self, soul. Whatever you

00:43:42.030 --> 00:43:44.210
want to call it, it's all the same. Yeah. Yeah,

00:43:44.210 --> 00:43:46.369
yeah, yeah. And we just need to be present for

00:43:46.369 --> 00:43:50.469
it. I mean, it's just like, um, you know, when

00:43:50.469 --> 00:43:52.170
you talk to someone, you're talking to, like,

00:43:52.250 --> 00:43:54.070
we all are talking to each other. You're present

00:43:54.070 --> 00:43:58.389
for each other. So be present for your soul in

00:43:58.389 --> 00:44:02.030
just the same way. Like, and it's not always

00:44:02.030 --> 00:44:03.909
going to end for different people. They experience

00:44:03.909 --> 00:44:08.480
it in different ways. Like some people. Of course,

00:44:08.579 --> 00:44:10.719
the feeling is always common. We all have a certain

00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:13.420
feeling that I feel good about this. I don't

00:44:13.420 --> 00:44:15.280
feel that great about this. I don't feel too

00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.579
excited about this. I'm bored even thinking of

00:44:18.579 --> 00:44:22.400
that. So that's the best compass, right? And

00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.739
at the same time, we can also see that the soul

00:44:26.739 --> 00:44:30.639
also, like I said, there are layers of the onion.

00:44:30.809 --> 00:44:32.650
There's a core of the onion and there are different

00:44:32.650 --> 00:44:35.030
layers. Now a lot of people say, I feel really

00:44:35.030 --> 00:44:37.829
excited to eat McDonald's every day. There's

00:44:37.829 --> 00:44:39.690
a lot of noise, like, you know, a person can

00:44:39.690 --> 00:44:43.130
be going through internal noise or external noise.

00:44:43.530 --> 00:44:45.690
Internal noise is created again when we are living

00:44:45.690 --> 00:44:48.989
too much in the beta brainwave state. Too much.

00:44:49.730 --> 00:44:52.110
And why would that happen? Because we are not

00:44:52.110 --> 00:44:54.989
in the present moment. People are generally ruminating

00:44:54.989 --> 00:44:57.170
about what happened in the past, or people are

00:44:57.170 --> 00:44:58.650
generally thinking of what's going to happen

00:44:58.650 --> 00:45:04.289
in the future. We're always either ahead or behind,

00:45:04.670 --> 00:45:07.349
right? And then we're never present and that

00:45:07.349 --> 00:45:09.949
means we're tuning into more than our intuition.

00:45:11.150 --> 00:45:13.409
So we'll never clearly get what our intuition

00:45:13.409 --> 00:45:15.789
is trying to tell us or our soul is trying to

00:45:15.789 --> 00:45:18.929
tell us. And the more and more we practice this

00:45:18.929 --> 00:45:21.429
by just being with our present selves, by listening

00:45:21.429 --> 00:45:24.030
to our present selves, the more we will be very

00:45:24.030 --> 00:45:26.110
clear of what we want and then follow it, not

00:45:26.110 --> 00:45:28.230
just... You know, a lot of people have those

00:45:28.230 --> 00:45:30.989
answers and they don't know, they don't act on

00:45:30.989 --> 00:45:34.030
it. On top of that, this feeling is one very

00:45:34.030 --> 00:45:37.070
common for all of us. Apart from that, answers

00:45:37.070 --> 00:45:39.789
also come to people in the form of knowingness.

00:45:39.789 --> 00:45:42.829
That generally happens with me. Sometimes it

00:45:42.829 --> 00:45:45.070
comes even in the form of the more stronger this

00:45:45.070 --> 00:45:48.150
connection grows, answers or direction come to

00:45:48.150 --> 00:45:51.369
you in the form of images. And, or sometimes

00:45:51.369 --> 00:45:53.010
they even come through, they might feel that

00:45:53.010 --> 00:45:57.000
they heard something, spoken word. Clear audience,

00:45:57.219 --> 00:45:59.159
clear wine house as they call it. That's very

00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:02.639
interesting. So to go back to your McDonald's

00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:06.820
example, just so I understand. So a person who

00:46:06.820 --> 00:46:08.840
wants McDonald's every day, I really want McDonald's.

00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:12.440
So that's not true. They don't really want McDonald's?

00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:16.559
Because if a person is anxious all the time,

00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:20.179
right? They just want to feel void with something.

00:46:20.820 --> 00:46:23.980
Right. Or like a person has, they say, a quote

00:46:23.980 --> 00:46:26.539
-unquote sweet tooth. Again, it taps into what

00:46:26.539 --> 00:46:30.219
emotions they are. And the consciousness, the

00:46:30.219 --> 00:46:32.280
subconscious is trying to protect us, is trying

00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:37.340
to make us feel at comfort, make us try and not

00:46:37.340 --> 00:46:40.119
that we don't go crazy. It's always trying to

00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:43.199
protect us. So, we try to fill in the void with

00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.260
things that sometimes are engineered in this

00:46:46.260 --> 00:46:48.860
world that we live in. Right. So that we have

00:46:48.860 --> 00:46:50.820
a kind of sense of satisfaction in a different

00:46:50.820 --> 00:46:53.539
manner. For example, someone who hasn't had love

00:46:53.539 --> 00:46:56.139
all their life in their childhood, and then suddenly

00:46:56.139 --> 00:46:59.739
they feel more attracted to things like binge

00:46:59.739 --> 00:47:03.820
eating. Okay. I'm just saying it's one possibility.

00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:08.179
There can be many possibilities. This is all

00:47:08.179 --> 00:47:11.119
very convincing for me personally. Like I understand

00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:16.139
doing, I understand. Why? Well, hang on. I understand

00:47:16.139 --> 00:47:18.440
the eating McDonald's thing, and I understand,

00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:20.579
like, why people might eat because, you know,

00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.739
you know, we hear it in popular culture all the

00:47:22.739 --> 00:47:23.980
time, like, they're feeling a void, blah, blah,

00:47:24.019 --> 00:47:25.900
blah. But it makes sense. Like, we don't want

00:47:25.900 --> 00:47:28.599
to sit with bad emotions. But for the things

00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:31.199
I think a lot personally about, you know, I always

00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:34.400
think about what my motivations are and why I'm

00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.219
motivated. And so it, you know, and then Arjun

00:47:37.219 --> 00:47:39.480
says things like maybe it's from your... something

00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:40.860
in your childhood like you didn't receive enough

00:47:40.860 --> 00:47:42.440
love and I'm just thinking personally on some

00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:44.320
level. Maybe that's, I'm not saying I didn't

00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.519
receive enough love, but I'm just saying, you

00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:50.579
know, maybe my desire, my desires are actually

00:47:50.579 --> 00:47:53.239
a reflection of something I was lacking in the

00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.880
past and I'm tortured by my desires and I want

00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.119
them so bad and they give me a lot of misery,

00:47:58.139 --> 00:48:01.559
but maybe I have to just really see what the

00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:04.900
emotion is and then I won't have those desires

00:48:04.900 --> 00:48:07.769
anymore and I'll feel a lot more. Absolutely.

00:48:08.070 --> 00:48:11.210
That's the whole thing about inner wealth. Absolutely.

00:48:11.449 --> 00:48:14.230
I think identifying and knowing yourself to the

00:48:14.230 --> 00:48:17.230
level of understanding why you're feeding something.

00:48:17.510 --> 00:48:19.889
If you don't understand why you are feeding something,

00:48:19.989 --> 00:48:22.170
there's no way you can solve the problem. Unless

00:48:22.170 --> 00:48:26.409
it's by sheer luck, which I don't think is a

00:48:26.409 --> 00:48:28.849
thing in this kind of scenario. That's right.

00:48:29.349 --> 00:48:32.090
And what we do is generally we tend to find help

00:48:32.090 --> 00:48:36.539
externally when that happens. So that's never

00:48:36.539 --> 00:48:38.800
gonna solve the problem. I mean, we have to go

00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:42.760
inside. We need to go inside. Will it solve the

00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.639
problem in as much as if you seek help externally,

00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:48.300
that professional, let's say, will give you the

00:48:48.300 --> 00:48:52.860
tools to do the inner work? It's a tool. Right.

00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:55.860
And many times we are given guidance. Like I

00:48:55.860 --> 00:48:59.099
said, nothing is good, nothing is bad. Everything

00:48:59.099 --> 00:49:02.579
has its role. Everything has some or the other

00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:06.440
role. Sure, sometimes... things could be rather

00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.860
not doing anything, you know, not helping at

00:49:08.860 --> 00:49:10.840
all. But again, it might be true for someone

00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:15.179
else. Right. Yeah. So it also depends on our

00:49:15.179 --> 00:49:17.420
circumstances, how we deal with it, how we understand

00:49:17.420 --> 00:49:20.559
it, what we do with it or we don't do with it.

00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:23.880
Do we think there'll be a point where technology

00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:26.639
integrates into the ego, the subconscious and

00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:30.679
the higher self? Like I said, there are many,

00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:33.809
many realities. that are already existing and

00:49:33.809 --> 00:49:37.489
unfolding. And there are realities where we are

00:49:37.489 --> 00:49:40.449
one with technology. Some people call it that

00:49:40.449 --> 00:49:44.010
it's a very destructive kind of a future. Then

00:49:44.010 --> 00:49:47.050
there are also realities where technology is

00:49:47.050 --> 00:49:51.389
with us, but as a companion, as a co -creator,

00:49:51.789 --> 00:49:59.369
where it's not taking over our biology. And then

00:49:59.369 --> 00:50:02.059
there's everything within that. you know, in

00:50:02.059 --> 00:50:06.500
between. And believe it or not, what we think

00:50:06.500 --> 00:50:09.360
and what we do, what we don't do, really dictates

00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:12.139
on which reality we will be choosing and going

00:50:12.139 --> 00:50:15.300
on to. And remember, it's not like that one instance

00:50:15.300 --> 00:50:18.179
will change that reality. No. It's every little

00:50:18.179 --> 00:50:20.099
thing you do, every second we are switching,

00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:22.360
we are changing. Every little thing we do, every,

00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:24.699
every, with every little step we take, with every

00:50:24.699 --> 00:50:26.920
little thought we think, with every little thing

00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:30.260
we do or don't do, we are shifting. So we, throughout

00:50:30.260 --> 00:50:34.199
this podcast, we've created hundreds of thousands

00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.980
of different realities. We don't create anything,

00:50:37.139 --> 00:50:40.119
everything already exists. They're, okay, well,

00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:43.239
we've jumped hundreds of thousands of realities.

00:50:43.900 --> 00:50:46.280
Okay, yeah. I just want to add to the whole,

00:50:47.500 --> 00:50:50.219
okay, Ruby, so Ruby, what was your last question?

00:50:50.420 --> 00:50:53.039
Say it again, just so I can give my answer to

00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.099
that, because I think - Do you think that there

00:50:55.099 --> 00:50:58.400
will be a point where technology integrates into

00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.059
us so much that it becomes part of our consciousness

00:51:01.059 --> 00:51:05.019
and our being inseparable. Like that's the whole

00:51:05.019 --> 00:51:07.360
kind of there's a whole science fiction kind

00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:09.460
of aspect of that of like uploading our consciousness

00:51:09.460 --> 00:51:13.340
you know into onto the internet but exactly I

00:51:13.340 --> 00:51:15.420
was thinking of the phone like we're already

00:51:15.420 --> 00:51:19.800
we're already so like it is an extension of ourselves

00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:24.219
we use our phones like they are so intimate intimate

00:51:24.219 --> 00:51:32.019
with us It is a kind of transhumanism. Much of

00:51:32.019 --> 00:51:34.780
me, that's the kaleidoscope logo right there,

00:51:35.179 --> 00:51:38.480
much of me has been offloaded into this thing.

00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.699
That is, if I lose this, I would be devastated.

00:51:41.860 --> 00:51:46.219
Thank God for the cloud. I think it's for everyone.

00:51:46.659 --> 00:51:49.559
The boundaries are blurred now between some...

00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.239
some technologies we use and our identities.

00:51:52.460 --> 00:51:57.940
And it's so intimate. Now, the challenge happens

00:51:57.940 --> 00:52:01.139
when, let's say, you know, you're afraid of losing

00:52:01.139 --> 00:52:04.019
everything on the cloud. So I think, you know,

00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.219
Arjun's work would come in here and sitting with

00:52:07.219 --> 00:52:09.500
yourself and trying to ask yourself, well, is

00:52:09.500 --> 00:52:12.559
that ego? So what if I lost everything in the

00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:14.639
cloud? Do I really need it? Your soul registers

00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:18.159
everything, any which ways. You will lose anything,

00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:20.599
right? But yeah. I mean, it's more the fear.

00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:24.179
It's what emotion we live in. Primarily. I mean,

00:52:24.179 --> 00:52:26.079
we can't always live. We can always be happy,

00:52:26.219 --> 00:52:29.019
go lucky. Sure. We are in fear sometimes. Sometimes

00:52:29.019 --> 00:52:31.579
you're anxious. Sometimes you're happy. But it's

00:52:31.579 --> 00:52:33.860
about what you choose to live in majority of

00:52:33.860 --> 00:52:38.460
the times. So is it a choice? It's always a choice.

00:52:39.019 --> 00:52:41.780
See, you cannot change the situation you're in.

00:52:41.940 --> 00:52:45.440
Yeah. Agree. At least not instantly. I mean,

00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.150
if you're already there, I mean, of course you

00:52:48.150 --> 00:52:50.750
can go somewhere from that destination, but given

00:52:50.750 --> 00:52:52.969
the situation you're in, it's not the situation

00:52:52.969 --> 00:52:54.869
that matters, it's how you deal with it that

00:52:54.869 --> 00:52:59.489
matters. What you do with it. Right. Yeah. I

00:52:59.489 --> 00:53:01.250
would agree. Yeah, definitely. Ruby, what are

00:53:01.250 --> 00:53:04.090
you thinking? Thinking, I'm thinking you're right.

00:53:04.250 --> 00:53:07.550
And then I'm thinking, I'm wondering if I would

00:53:07.550 --> 00:53:11.849
want, if I would, if I would want to live in

00:53:11.849 --> 00:53:16.489
the intersection of time. Okay. Wait, let's go.

00:53:16.619 --> 00:53:20.619
That just gave another... I'm conscious, right?

00:53:21.699 --> 00:53:25.519
The conscious self that is me has jumped hundreds

00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:31.260
of thousands of realities in the 50, 60 minutes

00:53:31.260 --> 00:53:35.659
that we've been talking. But myself, my consciousness

00:53:35.659 --> 00:53:41.820
has remained here in this reality and left the

00:53:41.820 --> 00:53:45.300
others behind. Are there others of me? that are

00:53:45.300 --> 00:53:49.380
feeling the same way in other realities? Or is

00:53:49.380 --> 00:53:54.079
this reality? No, you are multi -present. You

00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:57.019
are a presence that you are aware of. It's just

00:53:57.019 --> 00:54:00.699
that because we don't want to go crazy, we have

00:54:00.699 --> 00:54:02.840
chosen to limit ourselves. You're blowing my

00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:06.619
mind. Hold on. I think, Ruby, you're experiencing

00:54:06.619 --> 00:54:10.920
this reality right now. And when you think about,

00:54:11.659 --> 00:54:14.530
when you think it's not, true, it's your ego,

00:54:14.969 --> 00:54:17.309
trying to like buffer against all the other realities.

00:54:17.369 --> 00:54:19.690
So it's like, just let it happen. Don't overthink

00:54:19.690 --> 00:54:22.289
it. Not to overthink it. Then he's absolutely

00:54:22.289 --> 00:54:24.449
right. Luigi is right. You've just got to go

00:54:24.449 --> 00:54:26.829
with the flow. That's what matters at the end.

00:54:27.750 --> 00:54:33.530
Sure. Yeah. No, like I understand. But it's kind

00:54:33.530 --> 00:54:35.849
of an... And it's when we have the expectations

00:54:35.849 --> 00:54:37.809
of how things should be rather than how they

00:54:37.809 --> 00:54:40.050
are that we get all in our heads and we like

00:54:40.050 --> 00:54:43.869
ruminate and things like that. I speak from experience

00:54:43.869 --> 00:54:46.809
and years of therapy. But the reason I ask the

00:54:46.809 --> 00:54:50.010
question is because I have a continuum in my

00:54:50.010 --> 00:54:54.789
mind. But what we're basically trying to say

00:54:54.789 --> 00:55:00.789
is that the soul is split into infinite consciousnesses

00:55:00.789 --> 00:55:05.050
that have infinite continuities from the time

00:55:05.050 --> 00:55:08.889
of gaining consciousness, I suppose. Exactly.

00:55:09.050 --> 00:55:11.469
But at the same time, it's also present. as a

00:55:11.469 --> 00:55:14.630
whole in timelessness, as a whole, not as a whole,

00:55:14.670 --> 00:55:21.750
as a whole. It's a vertical moment for me. You

00:55:21.750 --> 00:55:25.690
know, as humans have given also the limited brains

00:55:25.690 --> 00:55:28.650
and the limited realities we live in, we are

00:55:28.650 --> 00:55:31.269
limited. We have chosen to limit ourselves, right,

00:55:31.269 --> 00:55:34.789
for this experience. But a lot of things we cannot

00:55:34.789 --> 00:55:37.309
even try to comprehend or understand with our

00:55:37.309 --> 00:55:39.630
limited perception. And so at times what happens

00:55:39.630 --> 00:55:43.130
is sure, some things could, you know, the same

00:55:43.130 --> 00:55:45.130
fact that we just discussed could stress some

00:55:45.130 --> 00:55:48.429
people up or could liberate some people, right?

00:55:48.670 --> 00:55:51.309
And what I would just encourage you and all of

00:55:51.309 --> 00:55:53.809
the listeners as well is to just let it liberate

00:55:53.809 --> 00:55:56.730
you and just go with the flow. Just know that

00:55:56.730 --> 00:55:58.670
everything is possible and the power is in your

00:55:58.670 --> 00:56:02.010
hand. That's the entire reason why we discussed

00:56:02.010 --> 00:56:05.610
this, right? Because in the end, it just makes

00:56:05.610 --> 00:56:08.440
you realize that everything exists And where

00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:11.119
you go is your choice. So rise up to your power.

00:56:11.980 --> 00:56:18.099
Don't be afraid. I may have come across as stressed

00:56:18.099 --> 00:56:20.579
or something. It's more an epiphany. I'm not

00:56:20.579 --> 00:56:23.360
stressed. No, not you. Just generally, I'm saying.

00:56:24.579 --> 00:56:27.480
I'm also speaking to the ether, to the listener,

00:56:27.860 --> 00:56:33.019
to the watcher. And by watcher, I don't only

00:56:33.019 --> 00:56:37.000
mean you watcher on YouTube, I mean... The watchers.

00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:40.480
Universe. The watchers of the universe. Do the

00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:43.760
watchers exist? Are there people that watch us?

00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:46.360
Sure. Or are there beings? Other consciousness,

00:56:46.500 --> 00:56:49.800
of course, at all times. You have your guides

00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:52.159
right now with you. All of us. We have our divine

00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:54.460
teams with us guiding us, whispering in our ears.

00:56:54.619 --> 00:56:56.880
Not literally, but yeah. They're always guiding

00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:59.219
us and we always have signs from them. Like I

00:56:59.219 --> 00:57:01.260
said, the moment you sit down, you can always

00:57:01.260 --> 00:57:04.639
even get their guidance. You can receive their

00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:09.389
guidance. That's so crazy Because not everyone

00:57:09.389 --> 00:57:11.750
can be as brave as we are being on this earth.

00:57:11.769 --> 00:57:15.989
It's not it's no easy task Yeah, I do that. I

00:57:15.989 --> 00:57:18.690
think I think that maybe we come to earth as

00:57:18.690 --> 00:57:24.590
a holiday as a safari As a pretty tough holiday

00:57:24.590 --> 00:57:29.610
as a school. Yeah Well, maybe it's a school.

00:57:29.610 --> 00:57:31.869
Maybe it's maybe it's a holiday. Maybe it's a

00:57:31.869 --> 00:57:34.920
maybe it's a safari. Maybe it's a It's a holiday

00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.619
for billionaires, maybe. Naked and alone, or

00:57:37.619 --> 00:57:40.199
what's that show? Naked and Afraid. That's what

00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:42.280
you think. No, I think even, I don't know, I

00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:47.099
think it's in this context, I think to learn.

00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:50.780
Yeah, sure. Because it's tough being human. Yeah.

00:57:51.420 --> 00:57:53.659
Even for the people that we think are, you know,

00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:56.280
the wealthiest on earth. All we know is that.

00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:59.039
Yeah, I think that all problems are equal in

00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:01.739
the mind of the soul, in the eyes of the soul.

00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:04.579
Like, I think that you're stressed. why you stress

00:58:04.579 --> 00:58:08.639
for different reasons. Right. I don't think that

00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:11.079
that stress is comprehensible beyond the line

00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:15.599
of being. There's like, while someone might idolize

00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.599
the idea of wealth, when they get there, they

00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:22.679
might find that they hate it. Yeah. You know,

00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:24.880
people will have different types of problems.

00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:26.900
We all have different types of problems. Even

00:58:26.900 --> 00:58:29.980
the ones who are really wealthy, like abundant

00:58:29.980 --> 00:58:33.099
physically. are also facing some of the other

00:58:33.099 --> 00:58:36.239
things in their own lives. So no one is scot

00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:38.420
-free in this manner. But then I also want to

00:58:38.420 --> 00:58:41.179
say, I do think that there is a difference when

00:58:41.179 --> 00:58:45.400
you have an existential fear. And I think that

00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:49.260
once you get past basic human needs, your fears

00:58:49.260 --> 00:58:52.300
become ego -based. But I think there is a level

00:58:52.300 --> 00:58:54.920
where your fears are existential. For someone

00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:57.860
homeless, for example, I don't think their fears

00:58:57.860 --> 00:59:02.199
and their problems are equal. Elon Musk's problems.

00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:08.340
He might feel, for example, that they are equal

00:59:08.340 --> 00:59:12.019
to the problems. Or maybe he idolizes the poor

00:59:12.019 --> 00:59:14.480
person because he thinks that they have no problem,

00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:18.840
but their issue is existential. Right? And I

00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:21.579
don't think that that is the same. I think everybody

00:59:21.579 --> 00:59:24.139
should be raised above the level of existential

00:59:24.139 --> 00:59:26.599
fear. Sorry. I think we're okay. I think again,

00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:29.849
we need to define existential. Because the way

00:59:29.849 --> 00:59:33.510
I'm hearing it from you is... My understanding

00:59:33.510 --> 00:59:38.170
of existential or existentialism is we have great

00:59:38.170 --> 00:59:41.369
anxiety when we understand we have no true meaning

00:59:41.369 --> 00:59:44.150
in life and we have to create our meaning. The

00:59:44.150 --> 00:59:45.769
way you're talking about it, the way you're using

00:59:45.769 --> 00:59:49.070
it, it seems, is... I'm not talking philosophically.

00:59:49.670 --> 00:59:52.730
Okay. Yeah, I'm talking like... So I think we

00:59:52.730 --> 00:59:55.329
need to clarify that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry.

00:59:55.630 --> 01:00:02.480
I'm not on... Uh, what is his name? Soren Kierkegaard.

01:00:02.619 --> 01:00:05.800
The father of existentialism. No, I'm not, I'm

01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:08.800
not there right now. I'm on the level of, if

01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:12.739
I don't get food today, I'm going to starve to

01:00:12.739 --> 01:00:15.900
death kind of level. So like more survival. Survival.

01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:18.860
Yeah. Yeah. Like your, your literal presence

01:00:18.860 --> 01:00:24.099
on earth will end because of this, right? I think

01:00:24.099 --> 01:00:27.039
that is a different level of stress too. Oh no.

01:00:27.260 --> 01:00:30.500
If I don't make this sale, I'm going to lose

01:00:30.500 --> 01:00:35.099
my job. Well, the stress might feel the same.

01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:39.199
Yeah. I don't think that they really can. Yeah.

01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:43.139
I think it's subjective. I would argue it doesn't

01:00:43.139 --> 01:00:46.079
matter because the biggest issue is a fear of

01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:50.920
not existing for whatever reason. Is the homeless

01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:53.420
person afraid they're not going to eat and die?

01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:56.980
the person making the sale afraid they're not

01:00:56.980 --> 01:01:00.079
going to make the sale and then die? It depends

01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.519
how closely they're tied to the identity of being

01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:05.159
a salesman, right? Because the salesman will

01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:12.360
die. That reality will end, right? Why? Or it

01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:14.820
will shift to the extent of not being a salesman.

01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:17.619
He'll be a worse salesman. Well, then that's

01:01:17.619 --> 01:01:19.340
like a kind of social death. Yeah, actually,

01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:21.920
if you go to see, the moment you have a fear,

01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:25.340
and you start questioning it, very soon you can

01:01:25.340 --> 01:01:27.539
come to a realization, if you work on it, that

01:01:27.539 --> 01:01:30.340
it's just an illusion. You know, I have been

01:01:30.340 --> 01:01:32.579
there, to be frank, I'll tell you why I've gone

01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:35.440
into doing this inner wealth work, aside from

01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:39.780
wellness. And especially the mind, prioritizing

01:01:39.780 --> 01:01:42.360
the mind, even over like physical, I mean, now

01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:45.139
what has happened is that my wife is taking over

01:01:45.139 --> 01:01:47.300
all of, you know, the physical aspect and hopes

01:01:47.300 --> 01:01:50.150
and emotions, and even as emotions as well. And

01:01:50.150 --> 01:01:52.530
I have completely decided to take over the mind

01:01:52.530 --> 01:01:54.789
and all these things, because I do realize, and

01:01:54.789 --> 01:01:58.210
I have been there, where I was at a point in

01:01:58.210 --> 01:02:00.449
time where I didn't pay my social security, I

01:02:00.449 --> 01:02:02.789
just couldn't, I had limited amount of funds

01:02:02.789 --> 01:02:07.329
and I had to decide what can I do with it? Of

01:02:07.329 --> 01:02:09.550
course, buy my own food first, right? And in

01:02:09.550 --> 01:02:12.289
that, I didn't have too much flexibility. I have

01:02:12.289 --> 01:02:16.590
been there. And what changed things was me thinking

01:02:16.590 --> 01:02:20.579
that It's my choice. Like, okay, I'm faced with

01:02:20.579 --> 01:02:22.719
the situation, but how do I deal with it? Do

01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:25.500
I submerge myself in a fear that will consume

01:02:25.500 --> 01:02:30.219
me? That possibly is something as bad as existence

01:02:30.219 --> 01:02:33.219
and fear, just as you all pointed out. It was

01:02:33.219 --> 01:02:36.639
just an illusion. Or do I make something out

01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:39.280
of it where I can grow from here? I can make

01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:41.719
this my foundation. I'm at my foundation. I'm

01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:45.099
at the lowest in my life. And I decided to go

01:02:45.099 --> 01:02:47.300
the other way. to make this my foundation to

01:02:47.300 --> 01:02:49.500
build and grow from here, to come into my power.

01:02:50.139 --> 01:02:52.940
And that started shifting things for me. And

01:02:52.940 --> 01:02:54.980
then the moment we start working on our fears,

01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:58.079
we realize that most of them are illusions. It

01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.719
never gets as bad as, you know, not existing

01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:04.780
or dying. It never happens because although we

01:03:04.780 --> 01:03:06.539
live in a world which is challenging to live

01:03:06.539 --> 01:03:08.599
in, but there are always love funds and people

01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:11.559
who are amazing, kind -hearted, who are always

01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:14.070
around. Yeah. And I think that's a really good

01:03:14.070 --> 01:03:15.550
point. And I think a lot of people forget that.

01:03:15.570 --> 01:03:17.329
We always think the worst case scenario, you

01:03:17.329 --> 01:03:20.190
know, that's the nervous system. Well, I think

01:03:20.190 --> 01:03:23.230
the worst case scenario is really just shame.

01:03:23.449 --> 01:03:26.190
It's really, it's really not, you know, dying

01:03:26.190 --> 01:03:30.130
in a ditch. It's just shame. And that's so jarring

01:03:30.130 --> 01:03:33.530
for most people. Absolutely. It's not as bad

01:03:33.530 --> 01:03:37.889
as we think it is. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Can't confirm.

01:03:38.949 --> 01:03:41.610
And let me just put on one more point. Would

01:03:41.610 --> 01:03:45.570
you ever... go to a movie that has nothing going

01:03:45.570 --> 01:03:47.929
on except this one guy or a girl or a family

01:03:47.929 --> 01:03:51.429
living this one life where everything is super

01:03:51.429 --> 01:03:54.570
good at all points. Everything's perfect. Would

01:03:54.570 --> 01:03:59.110
you even enjoy such a movie? Nah. Maybe artistically.

01:03:59.690 --> 01:04:01.989
You might. And now that you say that, I would

01:04:01.989 --> 01:04:04.650
see that movie just for the sake of it having

01:04:04.650 --> 01:04:06.510
never been done before. And it would make me

01:04:06.510 --> 01:04:08.730
think and I go, but I do know what you're saying.

01:04:09.409 --> 01:04:13.239
Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't enjoy the movie. From

01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:18.239
an academic perspective, I might leave with cynical

01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:21.099
judgment. There are movies like that now. There

01:04:21.099 --> 01:04:24.320
was a movie like that recently. It was with Tom

01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:27.440
Hanks. What was it called? And it took place

01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:30.239
in a house and just people changing throughout

01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:33.780
the years. Obviously they had their, you know,

01:04:34.019 --> 01:04:35.960
whatever problems, but it's kind of the same

01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:39.219
idea. What was it called? But imagine if you

01:04:39.219 --> 01:04:42.610
don't have anything going on in life and everything

01:04:42.610 --> 01:04:45.550
is super awesome at all times. Would you really

01:04:45.550 --> 01:04:48.250
enjoy life? Like they say, if you never have

01:04:48.250 --> 01:04:51.250
darkness, you won't know what light is. Yeah,

01:04:51.989 --> 01:04:54.250
I get that. See, I could never answer that question

01:04:54.250 --> 01:04:56.650
because my life is never just so easy. I wish

01:04:56.650 --> 01:04:58.449
I could figure that out. Do you think that we

01:04:58.449 --> 01:05:01.530
create the problems? We create the problems to

01:05:01.530 --> 01:05:04.989
keep things interesting. Let's not call them

01:05:04.989 --> 01:05:08.099
problems. Let's call them challenges. Okay. We

01:05:08.099 --> 01:05:12.460
are, some of our challenges are, this is what

01:05:12.460 --> 01:05:16.619
you said, it's an illusion. We manufacture illusions

01:05:16.619 --> 01:05:19.400
in order to keep things interesting. And also

01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:22.179
to learn and have experiences and grow. Okay.

01:05:22.179 --> 01:05:24.559
I like that more. I mean, I don't want to think

01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:27.360
of like self -sabotage. No, never. Never shoot

01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:29.119
yourself in the foot, you know, thinking that

01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:32.539
you will only have problems in your life that

01:05:32.539 --> 01:05:34.820
you can handle. You'll never have problems in

01:05:34.820 --> 01:05:37.170
your life that you cannot handle. I like that.

01:05:38.170 --> 01:05:41.829
That should be everyone's mantra. Yeah. Luigi,

01:05:42.369 --> 01:05:44.650
one more question before we move on to your topic.

01:05:44.730 --> 01:05:47.889
How does this lead into your struggles with spending

01:05:47.889 --> 01:05:53.750
money? Oh, geez. I don't know. Still, maybe Arjun

01:05:53.750 --> 01:05:56.829
can help me with this. Arjun, I don't like to

01:05:56.829 --> 01:06:00.090
spend money and it causes me a lot of grief to

01:06:00.090 --> 01:06:02.510
spend money. Like I obviously have a fear that

01:06:02.510 --> 01:06:05.460
it'll never be enough. He doesn't want to come

01:06:05.460 --> 01:06:07.719
to Thailand with me because he doesn't want to

01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:13.539
spend the money to come. Leave it alone. Consciously,

01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:18.340
it looks that way. Like I said again, there are

01:06:18.340 --> 01:06:20.400
deeper things inside that you need to question

01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:24.360
that why do you feel that way? Yeah. And something

01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:26.500
will definitely pop up. There is something behind

01:06:26.500 --> 01:06:28.840
it. And the moment you let go and resolve it

01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:32.079
and liberate it and transform it in alchemy,

01:06:32.590 --> 01:06:35.849
You will never have that fear again. Yeah. Yeah

01:06:35.849 --> 01:06:37.989
agree. Obviously I have to do the inner work.

01:06:38.070 --> 01:06:43.489
I'm just I just have not done it but Yeah Someday

01:06:43.489 --> 01:06:48.349
day by day. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for for for indulging

01:06:48.349 --> 01:06:52.469
me for a second Tell us tell us what your question

01:06:52.469 --> 01:06:57.349
is My question. Well, I mean we cut I we think

01:06:57.349 --> 01:07:02.769
we Know we did not cover this. Yeah. Well Okay,

01:07:03.510 --> 01:07:08.829
let me find it. Where'd it go? So, no, it kind

01:07:08.829 --> 01:07:12.489
of is. We did kind of talk about it. So let's

01:07:12.489 --> 01:07:16.010
talk about some of my neuroticism, as always.

01:07:16.210 --> 01:07:17.710
You know, obviously I'm back home, and when I

01:07:17.710 --> 01:07:22.429
come back home, I am reminded of the things I

01:07:22.429 --> 01:07:26.110
still possess, the physical media. And I'm looking

01:07:26.110 --> 01:07:28.369
at a lot of it. Okay, we could say physical media,

01:07:28.550 --> 01:07:31.480
but like physical things can be anything. you

01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:35.079
know, old toys, video games, whatever, teacups.

01:07:35.179 --> 01:07:37.699
There are some things I think, I don't need this

01:07:37.699 --> 01:07:41.219
anymore, but I'll say, I'll throw it out later.

01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:45.800
So, like, why do we need, do we still, do we

01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:51.460
need physical media nowadays with everything

01:07:51.460 --> 01:07:55.980
being, let's say, virtual, digital, on the internet?

01:07:56.940 --> 01:07:59.260
Is there a comfort in having a physical, tangible

01:07:59.260 --> 01:08:03.500
thing? Or should we just, as adults, do away

01:08:03.500 --> 01:08:07.559
with it? I think kids need physical media. Or

01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:10.460
actually, I think everybody needs these physical

01:08:10.460 --> 01:08:13.099
things, but it's - Define media. Define media.

01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:17.279
Yeah, I'm saying media, but I don't really mean

01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:24.060
like a VHS tape or a DVD. So I'm just like, let's

01:08:24.060 --> 01:08:27.970
say, how can I say it? Physical objects? I wonder

01:08:27.970 --> 01:08:30.869
if physical media incorporates all of the things.

01:08:31.250 --> 01:08:34.909
So one thing you know about me, Ruby, is I love

01:08:34.909 --> 01:08:40.550
mugs and I love novelty mugs. They're a big part

01:08:40.550 --> 01:08:43.770
of my, I don't know, I think they're a big part

01:08:43.770 --> 01:08:45.470
of my personality. That's for giving me an idea

01:08:45.470 --> 01:08:49.329
for what to bring back for you. Very good, but

01:08:49.329 --> 01:08:51.829
are they necessary or is it just another kind

01:08:51.829 --> 01:08:54.310
of attachment? I look at it in a different manner.

01:08:55.430 --> 01:08:58.420
You're looking at it as just perhaps physical

01:08:58.420 --> 01:09:00.979
media, you're understanding it as that. But I

01:09:00.979 --> 01:09:03.840
believe it's very likely, it's more than that,

01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:08.899
it's memories. It's emotions connected to those

01:09:08.899 --> 01:09:11.020
things. And even if there are no memories connected

01:09:11.020 --> 01:09:13.560
to those things, generally, the way those things

01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:16.199
are reminds you of something or gives you a certain

01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:18.100
feeling, again, emotions. And that's the reason

01:09:18.100 --> 01:09:21.239
why you tend to be also attached to things and

01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:25.380
want to have them in your space. Yeah. I can,

01:09:25.380 --> 01:09:29.979
I can look at it. Yes. So there, for me, I mean,

01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:31.619
off the top of my head, there are two ways of

01:09:31.619 --> 01:09:33.479
me looking at it. There's like the nice nostalgia.

01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:36.880
And then there's also my, my, let's say my money,

01:09:37.180 --> 01:09:39.960
my money worries. I have this, it's almost like

01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:43.539
hoarding. Like I think, what if I need it? But

01:09:43.539 --> 01:09:46.399
I know that was my question. Like how do you,

01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:48.720
where, where does the, where do we draw the line

01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:52.430
between collection and hoarding? Yeah, when it,

01:09:52.710 --> 01:09:54.529
you know, when it's really getting so excess

01:09:54.529 --> 01:09:58.210
that it starts affecting you. You know, affecting

01:09:58.210 --> 01:10:01.489
you because hoarding does affect people. Their

01:10:01.489 --> 01:10:04.729
emotions and, and, and Dr. Bradley Nelson, who

01:10:04.729 --> 01:10:06.569
is the author of the emotion code and the body

01:10:06.569 --> 01:10:09.449
code. And I completely agree with this also wrote

01:10:09.449 --> 01:10:12.369
about that people who are hoarding are kind of

01:10:12.369 --> 01:10:14.430
creating like a wall around them. Not literally,

01:10:14.949 --> 01:10:18.270
but. Yeah, psychologically. Yeah. Logically.

01:10:19.390 --> 01:10:21.350
What are they trying to protect themselves from?

01:10:22.670 --> 01:10:25.970
Again, at the root, there's something else. Is

01:10:25.970 --> 01:10:28.930
there some trauma? Is there some emotion? Is

01:10:28.930 --> 01:10:32.489
it some fear? Surely there is something that

01:10:32.489 --> 01:10:36.010
one needs to work on. Yeah, I think so. Definitely.

01:10:36.810 --> 01:10:40.550
Yeah. And there's nothing to feel bad about because

01:10:40.550 --> 01:10:42.409
all of us have something or the other to work

01:10:42.409 --> 01:10:44.170
on. That's the reason why we are here, right?

01:10:44.289 --> 01:10:47.819
No one can be scot -free and perfect. Yes. And

01:10:47.819 --> 01:10:51.859
then also I don't think that there is a problem

01:10:51.859 --> 01:10:56.380
in wanting to collect mugs because... No, there

01:10:56.380 --> 01:10:59.119
isn't. But me personally, I'll just say the things

01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:02.300
I have, they do cause me grief in as much as

01:11:02.300 --> 01:11:06.500
I have to depend on others to manage them for

01:11:06.500 --> 01:11:10.159
me because my life is moderately transient. You

01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:14.840
know, I don't really have a truly permanent home.

01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:19.479
So when I come home, I have my things. It's not

01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:22.739
a lot, but I think it's still a little too much

01:11:22.739 --> 01:11:25.880
maybe. And I really value those things because

01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:29.279
like my T -wares, for example, like I remember

01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:32.279
the struggle of getting those, like traveling

01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:34.659
all over China, picking them out, curating them.

01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:37.220
And like now I look at them years later and I

01:11:37.220 --> 01:11:39.739
think, ah, this is not very valuable. But I went

01:11:39.739 --> 01:11:43.420
through so much to get it. And still if something

01:11:43.420 --> 01:11:46.100
happened to me, happen to them, it would cause

01:11:46.100 --> 01:11:49.159
me a lot of, like, anxiety maybe. I'm sure I

01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:53.119
would get over it, but... Value doesn't come

01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:57.079
from monetary. I mean, I can appreciate the value

01:11:57.079 --> 01:12:00.199
that comes from materials that we use, if they're

01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:03.859
rare, hard to find, high quality, and there's

01:12:03.859 --> 01:12:06.500
a lot of effort that goes into making them. But

01:12:06.500 --> 01:12:11.159
that same effort comes into the curation process

01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:14.529
of finding things. I know you, I'm sure that

01:12:14.529 --> 01:12:18.909
you didn't curate trash. I think I did in as

01:12:18.909 --> 01:12:24.609
much as I didn't know any better. So that's the

01:12:24.609 --> 01:12:27.609
thing, then it was a learning experience on top

01:12:27.609 --> 01:12:30.250
of all of that. Yeah, I would agree, but you

01:12:30.250 --> 01:12:32.609
know. But I think now in the world today it's

01:12:32.609 --> 01:12:36.750
so paradoxical because... While everything is

01:12:36.750 --> 01:12:39.729
kind of like subscriptions, we people don't really

01:12:39.729 --> 01:12:41.470
have, they don't really want to purchase. Let's

01:12:41.470 --> 01:12:44.409
go back to physical media and let's say anything

01:12:44.409 --> 01:12:46.590
that's not digital we can now talk about. I want

01:12:46.590 --> 01:12:50.510
to say something on this, actually. Because you're

01:12:50.510 --> 01:12:53.789
talking about the curation of things. And I've

01:12:53.789 --> 01:12:59.369
always had a passion for quality things. And

01:12:59.369 --> 01:13:02.390
if I'm able to get those things, then I will.

01:13:04.109 --> 01:13:07.649
high school, there was this, I received criticism

01:13:07.649 --> 01:13:13.750
from my family for always buying expensive things.

01:13:14.609 --> 01:13:18.390
But what I would do is I would be like, I would

01:13:18.390 --> 01:13:23.949
obsess over something for weeks. I would do intense

01:13:23.949 --> 01:13:28.609
research. I would read research papers and design

01:13:28.609 --> 01:13:31.689
documents on how something was made before I

01:13:31.689 --> 01:13:34.210
would buy it. And then I would save money and

01:13:34.210 --> 01:13:38.729
then I would buy it. And if just before I bought

01:13:38.729 --> 01:13:41.329
it, something else that was better came out that

01:13:41.329 --> 01:13:43.449
I had read about, I would buy that thing instead.

01:13:43.789 --> 01:13:45.890
So it's been a lot of money on this one thing,

01:13:46.109 --> 01:13:49.569
but then that one thing would stay with me for

01:13:49.569 --> 01:13:53.930
years and years. And I think that that kind of

01:13:53.930 --> 01:13:57.590
media, that kind of, let's call them objects.

01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:01.600
Has been lost. Okay. I'm I'm flying to South

01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.939
Africa tomorrow. Here's a razor I'll be taking

01:14:03.939 --> 01:14:07.020
this razor. I've been looking at another razor

01:14:07.020 --> 01:14:11.600
online for over two years and I wish I had bought

01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.220
it but now I'm not gonna because it's expensive

01:14:14.220 --> 01:14:19.500
Yeah, for a razor It's a razor. Yeah. Well, obviously

01:14:19.500 --> 01:14:22.300
you care about quality And I think that's good.

01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:25.319
I think like to me it seems like you have a very

01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:28.600
practical sense of using your money But I could

01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:31.659
be wrong. I don't know how many insane branding

01:14:31.659 --> 01:14:34.039
items I buy. Sometimes I buy too many things.

01:14:34.260 --> 01:14:36.539
How much money did I spend on establishing this

01:14:36.539 --> 01:14:40.100
podcast? I spent way too much money on microphones

01:14:40.100 --> 01:14:43.000
because I thought this is what I need. Like,

01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:46.300
this one is the only one that I truly wanted.

01:14:47.100 --> 01:14:49.539
And I'm not sad about it. Why didn't you return

01:14:49.539 --> 01:14:53.199
the things after you used them and thought, okay,

01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:54.560
it's not exactly what I'm looking for? That's

01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:58.579
a very good question because I like them. Okay.

01:14:58.819 --> 01:15:01.260
Because I like them and I would try to find a

01:15:01.260 --> 01:15:03.619
use case for them, for the ones that I bought.

01:15:03.619 --> 01:15:05.180
It's like you want to have them. There's some

01:15:05.180 --> 01:15:10.359
kind of commodity fetish there. Yeah, commodity

01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:14.119
fetish. I've never heard a phrase that way. Well,

01:15:14.260 --> 01:15:17.880
it's a famous phrase, the commodity fetish. Not

01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:20.600
in my books. Well, the point is, I'll try and

01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:22.119
break it down real quick. So essentially the

01:15:22.119 --> 01:15:24.279
commodity fetish is in an anthropological sense,

01:15:24.510 --> 01:15:28.409
A fetish is a thing that is used spiritually

01:15:28.409 --> 01:15:33.250
to hold all of these kinds of qualities, you

01:15:33.250 --> 01:15:35.229
know, used in religious ceremony or whatnot.

01:15:36.029 --> 01:15:39.409
So that happens to our commodities. That's why

01:15:39.409 --> 01:15:43.729
in today, in late capitalism, let's say, when

01:15:43.729 --> 01:15:46.989
we purchase things, it goes beyond the utility

01:15:46.989 --> 01:15:50.529
of the object. It is the qualities we acquire

01:15:50.529 --> 01:15:54.710
and the in the kind of charmed circle we get

01:15:54.710 --> 01:15:56.970
to belong to once we have those things. It's

01:15:56.970 --> 01:15:59.130
kind of like, you know, what's everybody buying

01:15:59.130 --> 01:16:01.949
in China right now, Ruby? And you think, oh my

01:16:01.949 --> 01:16:05.329
god, so silly. Those dolls, the key chain dolls.

01:16:05.329 --> 01:16:08.069
That's right, the Labooboos. Arjun, do you know

01:16:08.069 --> 01:16:11.909
about Labooboo? I just heard of Labooboo. Yeah,

01:16:12.289 --> 01:16:14.109
it's just trendy, you know? It's social media.

01:16:14.270 --> 01:16:17.569
It's the media, I would say. Right, and so everybody

01:16:17.569 --> 01:16:28.390
buys it to... It's to belong to a group, let's

01:16:28.390 --> 01:16:33.909
say. It's a social experience and you buy it

01:16:33.909 --> 01:16:35.970
to be a part of it. And more importantly, if

01:16:35.970 --> 01:16:39.250
you saw someone, let's say like a celebrity with

01:16:39.250 --> 01:16:42.710
the Labooboo, how do you get, how do you acquire

01:16:42.710 --> 01:16:45.489
the same qualities as a celebrity? You do it

01:16:45.489 --> 01:16:47.869
through your taste. You buy the Labooboo and

01:16:47.869 --> 01:16:51.800
then you have them. She left again. She'll be

01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:54.760
back. Okay. We got to wait for her. Yeah, of

01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:56.159
course. Yeah, it's better to wait. I'll text

01:16:56.159 --> 01:16:59.020
her and see. Even me. It's almost... Well, I

01:16:59.020 --> 01:17:01.760
guess where she is, it's almost 12. Oh, is it?

01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:06.279
Where is she exactly? Look at it right now. She's

01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:11.140
in Suzhou city, which is southwest of Shanghai

01:17:11.140 --> 01:17:14.119
city by like 90 kilometers. I don't know if that

01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:16.750
needs anything to you. I don't know if, I don't

01:17:16.750 --> 01:17:18.449
know what your geography of China is, but you

01:17:18.449 --> 01:17:19.510
know Shanghai is a very famous city. No, I don't

01:17:19.510 --> 01:17:21.390
know much. Yeah, but 90 kilometers, yeah, it's

01:17:21.390 --> 01:17:23.569
not much, right? No, about an hour and a half.

01:17:24.649 --> 01:17:26.350
Okay, but your time zones are the same, of course.

01:17:27.630 --> 01:17:33.029
My time zone, China is 12 hours ahead of me.

01:17:33.770 --> 01:17:39.409
So while it is, it's almost 12 in the afternoon

01:17:39.409 --> 01:17:41.569
here, so it'd be 12 a .m. there. Yeah, no, sorry,

01:17:41.630 --> 01:17:43.520
you weren't in China, right? Yeah, okay. But

01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:46.380
let's see where she is. Disconcerting. Because

01:17:46.380 --> 01:17:49.020
she's the host. She needs to be recording this.

01:17:49.180 --> 01:17:51.840
I got to check all my computers. I'm on multiple

01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:54.159
screens. Believe it or not. Let me see. Maybe

01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:59.100
she fell asleep. I'm back. Welcome back, Ruby.

01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:03.920
I'm sorry. I don't know what happened outside

01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:06.500
this room, but I think one of the animals shut

01:18:06.500 --> 01:18:11.319
down the Wi -Fi by accident. Are you joking?

01:18:12.290 --> 01:18:15.510
No, no, I'm dead serious. Like, I lost Wi -Fi.

01:18:15.710 --> 01:18:18.529
Luckily, I have a backup Wi -Fi router here,

01:18:18.529 --> 01:18:22.710
so I just switched. Oh, okay. You can edit it

01:18:22.710 --> 01:18:26.869
out. So... It'll be, thanks to Riverside, it'll

01:18:26.869 --> 01:18:29.649
be edited out by itself. Well, I made my point

01:18:29.649 --> 01:18:34.789
about the fetish. So that's why... Perhaps that's

01:18:34.789 --> 01:18:36.789
why you like the things you do. They have a quality

01:18:36.789 --> 01:18:40.449
that marks your identity or gives you this kind

01:18:40.449 --> 01:18:43.670
of qualities. where you purchase it and you feel

01:18:43.670 --> 01:18:46.890
like you belong to a certain group that you value.

01:18:47.189 --> 01:18:51.470
Arjun, what do you think? You know, I... Again,

01:18:51.489 --> 01:18:58.550
going back 50, 100 years, you know, we had minimalistic

01:18:58.550 --> 01:19:01.569
kind of a living. You know, things were pretty

01:19:01.569 --> 01:19:04.149
much quality. You know, the refrigerators and

01:19:04.149 --> 01:19:06.189
everything. First of all, there was really less

01:19:06.189 --> 01:19:09.750
stuff that time compared to now. And I feel...

01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:11.619
I don't want to get into conspiracy theories

01:19:11.619 --> 01:19:16.380
like hardcore, but you know, we have been divided

01:19:16.380 --> 01:19:21.779
by certain powers, groups, I would say, who also

01:19:21.779 --> 01:19:25.600
overlook and decide what we should learn, how

01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:28.180
the society should function, how the economy

01:19:28.180 --> 01:19:32.079
should be. And I feel that a lot of things are

01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:35.539
just distractions to keep us engaged in our own

01:19:35.539 --> 01:19:38.239
worlds, small worlds that we create to feel powerless.

01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:42.239
Because remember, together we are powerful and

01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:47.619
divided like we fall, right? And so we cannot

01:19:47.619 --> 01:19:50.340
see as much as consumerism and that's so much

01:19:50.340 --> 01:19:53.140
of stuff that we see today in today's time. We

01:19:53.140 --> 01:19:55.739
couldn't see that 100, 150 years ago. And I feel

01:19:55.739 --> 01:19:59.380
like, again, nothing is good and bad. But I think

01:19:59.380 --> 01:20:02.520
we are also reaching a point where it's really

01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:05.329
hurting the earth. you know, exploitation of

01:20:05.329 --> 01:20:08.170
the resources and so on and so forth. Because

01:20:08.170 --> 01:20:10.750
the economy needs to keep going. Well, they could

01:20:10.750 --> 01:20:13.310
create quality products as Ruby points out. And

01:20:13.310 --> 01:20:15.789
I really appreciate her for, you know, being,

01:20:16.170 --> 01:20:17.789
buying quality and sticking with it, you know,

01:20:17.869 --> 01:20:20.010
and of course, quality products do last a lifetime

01:20:20.010 --> 01:20:22.750
and more, you know, and they get passed on generations.

01:20:22.989 --> 01:20:24.890
And that's a great practice, by the way. And

01:20:24.890 --> 01:20:27.329
I feel that we now need to come back to that

01:20:27.329 --> 01:20:31.239
point where it's not like stuff is bad, but The

01:20:31.239 --> 01:20:34.319
so -called companies that make low quality cheap

01:20:34.319 --> 01:20:36.800
products can also make high quality higher quality

01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.520
products that last But then again, they think

01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:43.060
if you know, what if products last and people

01:20:43.060 --> 01:20:47.600
are not gonna buy again? Yeah, and so it's it's

01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:50.100
not us Of course, you know people are in their

01:20:50.100 --> 01:20:53.460
own stresses and emotions and traumas and and

01:20:53.460 --> 01:20:56.739
so much going on There is a void in all of us

01:20:56.739 --> 01:20:59.479
also because you are divided that we want to

01:20:59.479 --> 01:21:03.920
fill and we need to felt belonged somewhere or

01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:06.479
we need to feel a certain way. And if you see

01:21:06.479 --> 01:21:08.659
the advertisements, you see brands like Coca

01:21:08.659 --> 01:21:11.699
-Cola, Apple, and so on and so forth. The way

01:21:11.699 --> 01:21:14.699
they make the ads, it's like all psychology.

01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.960
It's designed in such a way that communicates

01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:23.239
directly to your subconscious and makes you want

01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:26.470
it and have it. Yeah, Ruby, you should be an

01:21:26.470 --> 01:21:28.069
expert on this stuff. Isn't this what you studied

01:21:28.069 --> 01:21:31.170
in school? Yeah, I studied on how to make people

01:21:31.170 --> 01:21:34.770
want things. Actually, no, no, no, no. It was

01:21:34.770 --> 01:21:38.149
part of my studies, but my studies was more focused

01:21:38.149 --> 01:21:43.229
on internal management of employees during a

01:21:43.229 --> 01:21:48.069
crisis. Snap. I thought it was more like communications.

01:21:48.829 --> 01:21:52.890
Yeah, it is communication management and my specialization,

01:21:52.989 --> 01:21:56.850
my major. or my major project at the end was

01:21:56.850 --> 01:22:00.609
internal branding. Internal communication management.

01:22:01.050 --> 01:22:04.649
My education too, part of it was in rhetoric.

01:22:05.369 --> 01:22:07.909
And a lot of people just think rhetoric is just

01:22:07.909 --> 01:22:09.770
fancy ways of talking and convincing through

01:22:09.770 --> 01:22:11.930
an argument. But no, it extends beyond that.

01:22:12.649 --> 01:22:15.930
It's the things we consume, the way we decorate

01:22:15.930 --> 01:22:20.569
a room, things like that. So I do think about

01:22:20.569 --> 01:22:23.720
it quite a bit. Maybe that's why I'm not so apt

01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:26.000
to buy good quality things because on some level,

01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:28.279
I don't believe in that good quality. I just

01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:30.939
think because I can't see the logistics of the

01:22:30.939 --> 01:22:38.140
product, I also am very skeptical and think the

01:22:38.140 --> 01:22:40.939
price is just marked up. For example, in North

01:22:40.939 --> 01:22:44.460
America, there are famous retail stores called

01:22:44.460 --> 01:22:46.899
like Marshall's and you buy clothes there that

01:22:46.899 --> 01:22:50.520
you think are top -notch quality goods, you know.

01:22:50.670 --> 01:22:53.329
And you see the label, the price tag, and it

01:22:53.329 --> 01:22:54.930
says, you know, in other stores it would be this

01:22:54.930 --> 01:22:57.609
much, but at our store, it's this much. So you

01:22:57.609 --> 01:23:02.850
see this marked down. But really, from what I

01:23:02.850 --> 01:23:06.890
understand is that it's just, it's a ruse. It's

01:23:06.890 --> 01:23:10.489
a psychological tactic to get you to purchase

01:23:10.489 --> 01:23:14.689
it and think you are making a deal for a quality

01:23:14.689 --> 01:23:19.050
product. No store. is going to mark down a product

01:23:19.050 --> 01:23:25.310
into a loss. Unless it's like some kind of extreme

01:23:25.310 --> 01:23:30.329
scenario. And then there'll be a strategy to

01:23:30.329 --> 01:23:33.090
make money from something else. Yeah, right.

01:23:33.090 --> 01:23:37.989
But when you see some of the items in some places

01:23:37.989 --> 01:23:40.229
that are marked down because, you know, season's

01:23:40.229 --> 01:23:42.810
over, whatever, and you see how inexpensive it

01:23:42.810 --> 01:23:46.510
is, you realize how much it really doesn't cost

01:23:47.549 --> 01:23:52.569
But I think we are insulated from that in China.

01:23:53.989 --> 01:23:57.869
To a very large extent. I buy my clothes from

01:23:57.869 --> 01:24:00.810
the cheapest place possible. And then I wear

01:24:00.810 --> 01:24:05.869
them for years. But yes, me too. But what about

01:24:05.869 --> 01:24:09.409
shopping malls in China? No, they're mocked up.

01:24:09.689 --> 01:24:11.289
But that's bread and circus. I know, that's my

01:24:11.289 --> 01:24:14.050
point. That's bread and circus. Wait, we need

01:24:14.050 --> 01:24:16.710
to get Arjun back, because I only see a freeze

01:24:16.710 --> 01:24:19.930
frame right now. No, he's still here. He's listening.

01:24:20.510 --> 01:24:23.090
Absolutely. I was just listening to your conversations,

01:24:23.510 --> 01:24:26.369
and if I may add, because prior to the pandemic,

01:24:26.750 --> 01:24:29.170
we owned a company of organic cotton clothing,

01:24:29.270 --> 01:24:33.189
t -shirts, naturally dyed t -shirts. And so,

01:24:33.229 --> 01:24:36.210
of course, we are aware of the ongoings, or at

01:24:36.210 --> 01:24:38.949
least of the fashion industry. And that's true,

01:24:39.250 --> 01:24:42.550
at least talking. of fast fashion, speaking of

01:24:42.550 --> 01:24:44.670
fast fashion, you know, the brands and everything,

01:24:44.869 --> 01:24:47.369
they are generally produced in like underdeveloped

01:24:47.369 --> 01:24:50.850
countries or developing countries, and very cheap

01:24:50.850 --> 01:24:55.449
labor, sweatshops, and the same items are, you

01:24:55.449 --> 01:24:58.989
know, even used by brands that are, they charge

01:24:58.989 --> 01:25:02.149
in a very high price on the label, you know,

01:25:02.149 --> 01:25:03.850
they have a very high price on the label, like

01:25:03.850 --> 01:25:06.250
ultra -luxury brands, or what do you call it?

01:25:07.239 --> 01:25:09.760
brands like that are just good enough for almost

01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:12.800
everyone. It's all, it's a facade. That's true

01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:15.699
at many levels and many brands, you know, it's

01:25:15.699 --> 01:25:20.460
just a facade. So you are right, Luigi. You are

01:25:20.460 --> 01:25:22.680
absolutely right into thinking that they actually

01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:26.979
have a very high profit margin and it's actually

01:25:26.979 --> 01:25:29.479
an exploitation. And that's why at least what

01:25:29.479 --> 01:25:32.560
we try and do is most of the times wherever possible.

01:25:32.859 --> 01:25:37.479
we try to buy local, more handmade, more stuff

01:25:37.479 --> 01:25:40.300
like that. And yeah, just because something is

01:25:40.300 --> 01:25:41.939
high in price doesn't mean it's going to be good

01:25:41.939 --> 01:25:44.199
in quality. But when you're buying something

01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:47.619
from someone that makes it personally, or like

01:25:47.619 --> 01:25:49.720
a small group of people or a smaller company,

01:25:50.539 --> 01:25:52.760
not by a big corporation, it's more likely to

01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:55.579
be. Good. You know, so I'm just what Ruby does

01:25:55.579 --> 01:25:58.420
and, you know, uh, researching whatever, you

01:25:58.420 --> 01:26:00.220
know, you're going to buy is, is a great, it's

01:26:00.220 --> 01:26:02.220
a great practice. I feel. Absolutely. I think

01:26:02.220 --> 01:26:06.479
there is this is a space for big corporate corporations

01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:09.699
to exist. And I'm thinking about situations like,

01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:14.140
for example, this micro. This, this being made

01:26:14.140 --> 01:26:20.119
on a local level by an artisan is not very practical,

01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:25.210
but this. being made here, down the road, by

01:26:25.210 --> 01:26:29.409
an artisan? Very possible. Right? Was that shirt

01:26:29.409 --> 01:26:33.270
made down the road? It's just a cotton shirt,

01:26:34.090 --> 01:26:36.609
yeah. Probably. Yeah, absolutely. There are things

01:26:36.609 --> 01:26:40.050
that just can't be made by smaller players. And

01:26:40.050 --> 01:26:41.689
you know, we've just got to stick with what it

01:26:41.689 --> 01:26:43.510
is. Of course, I think we've just got to stick

01:26:43.510 --> 01:26:46.689
with what we have in the world we live in. And

01:26:46.689 --> 01:26:48.930
just hope for the best, you know, just keep spreading

01:26:48.930 --> 01:26:52.800
love and being forgiving. But then I want to

01:26:52.800 --> 01:26:55.279
say as well, like there are things like the lights

01:26:55.279 --> 01:26:58.720
behind me. Okay. The LED strips that are going

01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:02.220
around that's made by a very big company. Right.

01:27:02.420 --> 01:27:06.119
There's no getting around that. It's cheap. But

01:27:06.119 --> 01:27:10.340
then the name there, there are quite a few companies

01:27:10.340 --> 01:27:14.399
that make that. And that's made. Locally, like

01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:17.180
I actually drew that picture and wrote the words

01:27:17.180 --> 01:27:19.439
and sent it to them and then they made it for

01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:23.079
me and then they send it back. And you can see

01:27:23.079 --> 01:27:27.439
if you looked at it, it's hand cut. And I kind

01:27:27.439 --> 01:27:29.739
of appreciate that. It didn't go through like

01:27:29.739 --> 01:27:33.619
some heavy money. Obviously the parts of it are

01:27:33.619 --> 01:27:37.399
made by a big corporation or a factory. But I

01:27:37.399 --> 01:27:42.819
think that's different to consumer facing. large

01:27:42.819 --> 01:27:46.380
preparations. That's true. Yeah, there are some

01:27:46.380 --> 01:27:48.500
things that are just not in our control, like,

01:27:48.500 --> 01:27:50.760
you know, like the LED lights and whatnot, like

01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:54.300
the microphones that really smaller players can't

01:27:54.300 --> 01:27:58.039
get into manufacturing. But definitely, I think

01:27:58.039 --> 01:28:01.159
with time, and we are shifting, you know, because

01:28:01.159 --> 01:28:03.399
we are revolting as well, we are opening our

01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:05.439
eyes, we are awakening. And I think there will

01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:08.380
come a time, at least in my reality, in our reality,

01:28:08.420 --> 01:28:10.579
that we are heading on to where being in a higher

01:28:10.579 --> 01:28:13.609
state of in a higher vibrational state and I

01:28:13.609 --> 01:28:16.069
think we can definitely be a part of a better

01:28:16.069 --> 01:28:19.449
world as even people are becoming more and more

01:28:19.449 --> 01:28:22.149
aware of, you know, it's not good for the earth,

01:28:22.210 --> 01:28:23.869
it's not healthy for the earth these practices

01:28:23.869 --> 01:28:27.489
and also opening themselves up to the reality

01:28:27.489 --> 01:28:30.829
of that they have been placed in a so -called

01:28:30.829 --> 01:28:35.010
matrix, you know, isolated, distracted and the

01:28:35.010 --> 01:28:38.060
more we start because It's funny, you know, we

01:28:38.060 --> 01:28:40.159
live in a world where we have internet and we

01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:42.979
are better connected than ever. And we are still

01:28:42.979 --> 01:28:46.020
so disconnected and isolated. But I think more

01:28:46.020 --> 01:28:48.439
and more as we create communities, not because

01:28:48.439 --> 01:28:51.680
of products, but just for each other, the more

01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:54.439
we can start shifting, the more, like I said,

01:28:54.500 --> 01:28:56.979
the best thing that happened was, you know, first

01:28:56.979 --> 01:29:00.579
of all, whatever the society we are living in,

01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:04.239
the basis of that was old biology, old physics,

01:29:04.659 --> 01:29:08.069
in the old thinking. The old, for example, the

01:29:08.069 --> 01:29:09.810
Darwin's theory of evolution, everything is based

01:29:09.810 --> 01:29:12.890
on that competition for survival, cutthroat competition,

01:29:13.069 --> 01:29:15.970
right? Yeah. But that's not, we are not products

01:29:15.970 --> 01:29:18.050
of evolution. Again, we can get into alternate

01:29:18.050 --> 01:29:20.189
history. We are not products of evolution. We

01:29:20.189 --> 01:29:23.930
are not, as humanity is not made for competition,

01:29:24.310 --> 01:29:28.789
we are made to live together in harmony and cooperation.

01:29:29.270 --> 01:29:31.310
And the moment we start shifting that model,

01:29:32.649 --> 01:29:34.369
everything's going to start changing. Right.

01:29:35.399 --> 01:29:39.000
Yeah, that reminds me of just something I came

01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:41.199
across maybe a week or two ago to add to your

01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:45.279
point Arjun that we are more people are more

01:29:45.279 --> 01:29:49.420
egalitarian than We think and it's only when

01:29:49.420 --> 01:29:53.319
we have all of this excess that we become Greedy,

01:29:53.460 --> 01:29:58.640
so it sounds bad, but we are in our nature greedy

01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:01.359
for a survival sense because what they noticed

01:30:01.359 --> 01:30:05.159
in like tribal cultures that were egalitarian.

01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:07.579
It was so important for everyone to be equal.

01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:10.399
So if you were a hunter and you were the best

01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:14.340
hunter, the tribe would make sure, you know,

01:30:14.420 --> 01:30:16.140
when you're all in the village, everyone's equal.

01:30:16.380 --> 01:30:18.560
And then when you go out to hunt, okay, you're

01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:20.119
the best hunter, today we're going to let you

01:30:20.119 --> 01:30:23.180
hunt. Even if you're the best, it doesn't matter.

01:30:23.180 --> 01:30:24.840
We're going to give someone else a turn. And

01:30:24.840 --> 01:30:26.939
what they also noticed was that like when those,

01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:31.579
if you came across like, If you alone came across

01:30:31.579 --> 01:30:34.119
a beehive full of honey, you would gorge yourself

01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:38.020
on that honey and eat it all. And that's just

01:30:38.020 --> 01:30:40.739
because it was so rare to come by, but it still

01:30:40.739 --> 01:30:44.100
would not diminish the kind of egalitarian dynamic

01:30:44.100 --> 01:30:47.159
of the tribes. And it's only they discovered,

01:30:47.180 --> 01:30:50.680
I guess now relative to today is that because

01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:56.479
we can create so much excess that we appear greedier.

01:30:56.680 --> 01:30:59.380
It's like some kind of, it's a drive in us from

01:30:59.420 --> 01:31:04.380
you know, so long ago. But we are better at actually

01:31:04.380 --> 01:31:07.279
being egalitarian. And we know it's practical.

01:31:07.899 --> 01:31:10.460
But now, because of the system we're in, we're

01:31:10.460 --> 01:31:14.939
opposite that. Because we have to be to survive,

01:31:14.939 --> 01:31:18.199
I guess, in the society we're in today, because

01:31:18.199 --> 01:31:22.199
it depends on economy. You know, but even in

01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:25.420
the economy or the game, it's more like a game,

01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:28.420
actually. The moment we realize We shift out

01:31:28.420 --> 01:31:31.060
of fear and scarcity and we start addressing

01:31:31.060 --> 01:31:33.520
those things within us. We can actually start

01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:35.420
shifting away from a lot of those things that

01:31:35.420 --> 01:31:38.840
keep us greedy or angry or hungry or whatever

01:31:38.840 --> 01:31:41.800
it is, you know. And the more we can start connecting

01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:43.760
with other people because also, you know, when

01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:46.239
a person is in fear, when the person is anxious,

01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:48.699
when the person is going through emotions which

01:31:48.699 --> 01:31:51.979
are more dense, lower vibration emotions, we

01:31:51.979 --> 01:31:55.880
tend to feel isolated. tend to not feel like

01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:57.800
going out and meeting people. It's very natural,

01:31:58.000 --> 01:31:59.460
right? You know, you're feeling sad. You wouldn't

01:31:59.460 --> 01:32:01.800
feel like going and talking to anyone. Yeah.

01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:05.199
And they know what they are doing. These, these

01:32:05.199 --> 01:32:08.100
groups of people, these who kind of have control

01:32:08.100 --> 01:32:10.479
on most systems of the world, which is now breaking.

01:32:12.039 --> 01:32:16.039
They know what the psychology is. They know how

01:32:16.039 --> 01:32:18.920
people can be manipulated, how They can keep

01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:21.220
things, you know, they can keep the illusion

01:32:21.220 --> 01:32:23.439
up, the illusion of that, you know, we are not

01:32:23.439 --> 01:32:25.819
in control and we need to, you know, fill the

01:32:25.819 --> 01:32:28.979
void within us by purchasing stuff and, you know,

01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:32.739
being, being competitive and, and, you know,

01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:34.880
serving the ego by saying, I'm the winner. I

01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:36.880
am the, I'm the man. I'm the guy. And, you know,

01:32:36.939 --> 01:32:38.859
I'm the winner and you are not, you're, you're

01:32:38.859 --> 01:32:41.819
a loser and I'm better than you. And those kinds

01:32:41.819 --> 01:32:44.159
of things, they don't serve us. And it's not

01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:46.739
because inherently we are bad or anything. It's

01:32:46.739 --> 01:32:48.939
just that, you know, we are so drenched in trauma

01:32:48.939 --> 01:32:52.800
from all the past. You know, remember, energy,

01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:56.140
even emotion, trauma, everything is also energy.

01:32:56.739 --> 01:32:59.000
And because it cannot, and many times it's so

01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:01.819
much, it's so much, especially like in times

01:33:01.819 --> 01:33:03.640
when there were like world wars and whatnot,

01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:08.279
that one single A person one single consciousness

01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:11.359
couldn't contain that form of like heavy trauma

01:33:11.359 --> 01:33:14.180
and energy in their field within themselves It

01:33:14.180 --> 01:33:15.979
couldn't just contain it. So it got distributed

01:33:15.979 --> 01:33:19.579
because remember Beyond this there is timelessness.

01:33:19.579 --> 01:33:22.159
So there's no restriction of time, right? There's

01:33:22.159 --> 01:33:25.399
no linearity beyond this dimension. So energy

01:33:25.399 --> 01:33:30.380
is not limited to the third dimension so any

01:33:30.380 --> 01:33:33.539
trauma any strong emotion dense emotions faced

01:33:33.539 --> 01:33:37.479
which the body cannot contain it segregates and

01:33:37.479 --> 01:33:41.500
segments it and is passed to other generations

01:33:41.500 --> 01:33:44.920
as well. And then sometimes we feel triggered

01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:47.000
and we feel certain ways and we don't know why.

01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:52.340
Because those energies are also contained. And

01:33:52.340 --> 01:33:55.819
although it's really relatively easy to begin

01:33:55.819 --> 01:33:58.539
to liberate those things, again, just by being

01:33:58.539 --> 01:34:00.920
more within ourselves and questioning what we

01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:03.699
are feeling, what's happening and not being distracted.

01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:06.920
by the illusions that are placed around us all

01:34:06.920 --> 01:34:09.319
the time. And we're really waking up to the fact

01:34:09.319 --> 01:34:12.960
that, you know, we are in control, we can take

01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:16.920
the power back in our hands. We are not a product

01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:19.979
of evolution and we are meant to live in harmony.

01:34:20.579 --> 01:34:22.180
There's enough for everyone. There's something

01:34:22.180 --> 01:34:24.479
really important to realize that we always think

01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:27.039
of scarcity and scarcity is a part of fear. But

01:34:27.039 --> 01:34:29.500
there's enough for everyone. Scarcity mindset

01:34:29.500 --> 01:34:32.659
is poison. So you just cut out there for a minute.

01:34:33.449 --> 01:34:37.189
I said the scarcity mindset is just poisonous.

01:34:38.229 --> 01:34:43.069
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I think we should wrap it

01:34:43.069 --> 01:34:47.510
up. I think we should wrap it up. Arjun, you've

01:34:47.510 --> 01:34:50.409
been fantastic. Thank you everybody for tuning

01:34:50.409 --> 01:34:53.729
into this. Don't forget to follow Arjun at A

01:34:53.729 --> 01:34:59.609
-R -J -U -N -C -H -H? R -C -H -H. R -C -O. Let

01:34:59.609 --> 01:35:02.359
me spell that. Spell that carefully. I'm going

01:35:02.359 --> 01:35:07.439
to open Instagram here. A -R -J -U -N -R -C -H

01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:12.319
-H. On X, Instagram, and YouTube. You can find

01:35:12.319 --> 01:35:17.159
Kaleidoscope at Ray Liu. That's R -A -E -L -I

01:35:17.159 --> 01:35:22.500
-U. Or Fire From Heat on Instagram. Or Heat From

01:35:22.500 --> 01:35:27.279
Fire on TikTok. Luigi, what are your socials?

01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:30.300
I don't have... I don't want to share my socials.

01:35:30.319 --> 01:35:33.079
I'm not cool enough yet. My socials aren't that

01:35:33.079 --> 01:35:37.079
big. Why do you ask me for my socials? You know

01:35:37.079 --> 01:35:41.060
that. You can find Luigi anywhere you find Kaleidoscope.

01:35:41.699 --> 01:35:45.859
Yeah. That's it. For now. Listen, when my socials

01:35:45.859 --> 01:35:50.720
get bigger, I'll be more apt to share. Fine.

01:35:51.380 --> 01:35:54.000
I have to do the work. I'm going to stop the

01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:56.000
recording. We'll just stay online. We can have

01:35:56.000 --> 01:36:01.310
a bit of a chat. Yeah. All right. you