Yes. Right. How do you want me to introduce you?
So I'm a mind expansion coach and inner wealth
mentor. And I host two podcasts. The one that
I've recently launched, it's Inner Power Out
of Prosperity. And the other is Wellness and
Beyond, which I co -host with my wife and partner,
Julie. Cool. And yeah, that's who I am. I live
in Spain. Really? Yeah. I had no idea. How is
it living in Spain? Oh, it's really amazing.
People are amazing. And the climate is not bad
either, you know, compared to the rest of Europe.
Yeah. Sure. I mean, where I live, knowing Spanish
is a must. Otherwise, it's hard to get by. But
otherwise, apart from that, Spanish is not that
difficult, you know, to learn. There are a lot
of... English words also, you know, rock words
that overlap in English as well. Well, listen,
let me tell you why my minor in university was
Spanish. I don't remember a lick of it. I don't
even know how I passed. I remember having one
conversation with my professor and she was like,
I was doing well, maybe like mid 80s, which is
like maybe like a B minus. and I just could not
convince her I didn't know what I was doing.
Like I wrote papers and I was like, I don't know
what I'm saying. And she's like, no, you're good.
You're good. And I was like, I don't know. And
I just, I think I was bad at it. I don't know.
I don't know. I think they just gave it to me.
So I don't remember any of my Spanish at all.
So, you know, congratulations to you for learning.
Thanks. But you know what, frankly, I mean, right
when we came here, we took classes. I mean, we
didn't know Spanish. We didn't know how to speak
Spanish when we arrived here. And so we did start
with classes because that was the most obvious
thing to do. But to be very frank with you, it
was not the classes that actually helped more
than was the conversations, the imperfect conversations
that we had with the people around. Yeah, that's
usually how, I mean, that's how I grasped, you
know, my limited Chinese. It was when I first
came to China, I loved going to tea shops. And
so I would just go into tea shops and just guess.
He says limited Chinese. His Chinese is very
good. You can read Chinese. I can see it. I can
speak better than you, but you can definitely
read much better than me. Yeah, I guess so. It's
weird that I can't recognize it. In terms of
being able to build a language by yourself and
gaining autonomy, reading is far more important.
But to be fair, I can't read, like, I couldn't
read a child's storybook. I can read everyday
things, if that makes sense. Like, I can go into
grocery stores. Like, I can read ingredients,
food, titles of shops. It's really strange. But
a book with that abstract kind of thinking, I
can't. Can read a children's storybook, but there's
no way that I can read ingredients of a recipe,
for example. Just different interests, you know?
That's it. Apparently. It depends on the use
case. Like how much are you using the language?
What are you using the language for? Definitely.
Like Ruby and I are language teachers essentially,
so like we know what to do. I just don't do it.
I know how to learn to read. Yeah, I know the
secrets of learning a language. I'm just bothered.
I have all the tools. They're in the toolbox
over there. And I haven't opened it in like weeks.
Okay. Tough questions. Honest answers. Oh, the
messy truth. Your perspectives. Let's begin.
Welcome to Kaleidoscope. So speaking of mind
expansion, as the name suggests, mind is what
I would just say consciousness. So it's expansion
of our consciousness because as a root of it,
we are energy, we are consciousness. So it's
all about just expanding our awareness to access
what lies beyond or what lies within. And to
basically access the field or some people like
to call it access the Akashic records or some
people like to call it accessing the higher mind
or deeper level of consciousness or higher or
higher self, you know, a lot of names, but to
access that essence of who you really are. And
that's where it kind of directly connects with
my, the other thing that I do actually, it's
not like a separation, but I just, since I offer,
I have two offerings, I have like two things
that I do, but it's, it's an actuality. It's
just the same thing. So inner wealth mentor,
as the name suggests now, since I said, expanding
and accessing your ascents, right? And inner
wealth, as the name suggests, is all that you
need. The answers, the true wealth is actually
within you. And if you want to change what's
external to you, if you want to change your experiences
in life, if you want to get somewhere, you want
to do something, then you have to access that
internal wealth. So that's what I do. Mind expansion
and inner wealth window. And with these two podcasts,
the new one that I just launched, which is Inner
Power, Out of Prosperity, again, just suggests
that the power is within, the wealth is within.
And even to gain out of prosperity, we need to
access what's within, we need to align with what's
within that directly gets in touch with our purpose.
And with basically connecting to that inner self
and having more clarity on that level. And so
here in this podcast, I invite people who are
already at the, they have already had success
in life, they have outer prosperity. And then
I interview them to basically know their journey,
how they dealt with those inner turmoil and all
the fears and what all the inner demons that
they were facing and how they got themselves
to align with what was inside of them. Because
you know most of the successful people today
that we see and you know influencers and creators
They've all had a journey and and most of them
have come from a place of struggle where they
have been broken including myself and So I feel
that that's the most important thing and yeah
Our podcast was journey to wellness and beyond
before but now we are changing the name and making
it wellness and beyond we are rebooting and changing
the style of podcasting, we'll be focusing more
on interviewing guests. And so Wellness and Beyond,
as the name suggests, was actually where I started
from, like post pandemic, because I lost my mom
to breast cancer. So I always had this question
of, why cancer? How can we get to wellness? And
that got both me and my wife motivated into studying
this. At first, it was unofficial, but then of
course, the pandemic caused us to kind of switch
in and making it into a career, a profession.
And so Wellness and Beyond is about focused on
how we can work on the physical body and also
as the name Beyond suggests, like the mental,
the consciousness, where also the part of my
mind expansion gets in. And eventually tapping
into things like lucid dreaming tools, I would
say, or even things like, you know, remote viewing.
the inabilities that we already have. And our
goal at the end is just that people wake up to
their real power, their inner power, so that
they can thrive not just in wellness, but also
in prosperity and abundance in life. And really
like to understand that even happiness is a state
of mind and everything is achievable. And, you
know, give the power back into the hands of people.
Hello, welcome to Kaleidoscope. My name is Ruby
Ray Liu and I am the host of this podcast. I'm
also the enemy of all fridges and feared by all
snacks. Today, I am joined by, how do I articulate
this? Ah yes, my co -host, Luigi. Gee, thanks.
Co -host and dear friend Luigi and Arjun... Chabra.
Arjun Chabra is a... I'm very honored to have
you join us. I'm interested in your story. I
read it when you first posted it on Slack in
RSS, which is how we connected. Arjun can be
found, dear listener, on YouTube at A -R -J -U
-N -R -C -H -H. Actually, that is the handle
for all of his socials and Instagram. YouTube,
and X. Please check him out. Arjun Chh. Arjun,
welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having
me. It's a pleasure and honor to be here with
you. Do you want to take part in our little allegory
slash thing? Reminders of who we are. Okay, yeah.
I mean, I would love to, but I hope that you
all go first because... Okay. I'm feared by all
snacks. Luigi. Welcome. Joining us from Canada
today. Yeah, the Great White North. One time.
One time thing. Well, who knows? Anyway, I'm
Luigi, future scrap collector. Why? Why? What
scrap are you going to collect? Tin. Tin? I've
been reading a book about the history of Japan
after the war. It's really fascinating. And a
part that built the economy was they would collect
the tin from the occupying American soldiers
and they would they would recycle it into toys
for sale. And that's how they kind of saved their
economy. You're saying that the Japanese economy
is built on scrap metal. The toy industry yeah
and those toys were taken from like the the thrown
away tin cans yeah. Wow that is that's impressive
I did not know that. It's really really fascinating
anyway. I'm going to welcome you one more time.
Harjit, welcome to the show. Thank you so much.
Sorry, we were getting out in between, so I didn't
quite catch what was happening. I'm saying, do
you want to say something about yourself? Yeah,
in terms of like funny or just who I am? Let's
go for funny. Well, you can call me. Oh, and
the silent underdog. I don't know what to say.
The silent underdog, why would you describe yourself
that way? It's funny because, you know, generally
it's like underdog is someone who opposes, right?
Trying to always go against the conventional
way of doing things. But I do that, but I do
it really silently, not out loud. So I am, I
like, it's not like I like to always oppose,
but knowing that the kind of society we live
in, I definitely like to... I have my own ways
of opposing and keeping my point and, you know,
trying to bring out the truth and hopefully justice
to as many as I can, including myself. Okay.
So Arjun, the underdog that assassinates basically.
Silent and deadly. Like a ninja. The ninja underdog.
That's the ninja underdog. Arjun, the way Kaleidoscope
works is Each of us shares a perspective or idea,
and then the other two kind of delves into that
for a little bit, and we see where the conversation
goes. And then after that, we change it, yeah?
In no particular order today, would you like
to go first? All right. Do we do that to the
guests? We usually make them go first? No, yeah,
normally, normally I do. All I know is I always
go last. You may go last. Arjen, would you like
me to share your topic or would you like to introduce
it? You please feel free and I'll definitely
just join in. Yeah, please do. Okay. So today,
you sent to me on the 26th of July. I'd love
to share my perspective and journey in relation
to achieving clarity and purpose that helps cultivating
peace and prosperity. in life which directly
ties into physical wellness. In short, how everything
is connected. I thought that was beautiful because
I really like the fact that everything is intersectional.
We don't live linearly. We live in Venn diagrams
of cause and effect. Absolutely. You know, the
very first thing as children that we are always
taught or the kind of perspective that you're
given is to always look at things separately.
You know, we have separate subjects and archaeology
never mixes with geology, you know, and even
in biology or, you know, let's say the conventional
system, I wouldn't really go too much in depth
about it because, you know, it's something like
that easily can get taken down these days. everything
is looked at separately, right? There's a cardiologist
and there's another doctor who looks at the brain
and there's another guy who like, you know, does
the kidneys, et cetera, et cetera. So everything
is always so separate. And the more I have, I,
of course, I started delving into all of these
things from the perspective of wellness and health.
And now today I'm at a point where, where I realize
after starting even functional medicine and reading
a ton of other books and doing this and that,
it's been a crazy journey for me. that it's not
just the body that's connected together. We are
connected not just to each other, but even the
cosmos. And in fact, even our emotions are tied
into our wellness. And even our outer prosperity
is also tied into our own emotions and wellness
and our state of mind. And you know, it's dictated
by the nervous system. So it's, you know, like
what I'm trying to say is everything is so interconnected.
Like in the beginning, the reason also why I
got into inner power out of prosperity, like
inner wealth coaching and mind expansion and
all that, because I realized that why are people
not getting well? You know, we have been using
different herbs, supplements and, you know, different
approaches, like what we learned in function
medicine and holistic wellness, but still people
are just at the edge. One step out of line, chaos.
So what's happening over here? And then of course.
People are not right at the right point. People
are not there yet mentally. Maybe they have issues
they are dealing with or maybe they don't have
prosperity in life. They don't have abundance
in life. Maybe they live in fear of certain things.
And again, our brain or our mind is not functioning
based on what it sees in the outer world. It's
functioning based on what we think is real in
our mind. Right? And so everything is so tied
together that if we need out -of -abundance,
we need inner peace and even if we need wellness
in our own physical body, we also, again, inner
peace ties into the regulation of the nervous
system and that's when our... biochemistry is,
you know, it can get back to its default state
the way it's supposed to be, not us always being
in that fight or flight survival mode and that
wrecks havoc. And then most of us find ourselves
in a place where we are, you know, suffering
from many problems, issues and diseases. And
I think a lot of us... are trying to seek out
the answers external to us and trying to solve
this problem and that problem and maybe this
is different or that is different or only to
realize that everything is interconnected and
it all starts from the head. It all starts from
what we think and what we feel and what's inside
and while also respecting what's outside. And
there are like people fighting over perspectives
and tools, or this tool and this modality is
better, or that is better, or I am right, or
you are wrong, just to realize that everything
is just different perspectives. You know, we
all are looking at different sides of the same
coin, the same box, whatever you like to call
it. So are all these perspectives like tools
and they are all legitimate tools for finding
a way? Or is there just one? How would put it
is like, like wherever, like we all want to get
to that one point in our life where we are not
just physically well, but we are prosper and
abundant and happy and all of those things, right?
So let's say that goal is on top of a mountain.
And that's just one point. The peak is, it's
just a peak, right? It's just one point. And
then there's, there are the slopes and there
are the different terrains around it that make
that mountain. And then we can take any path.
So it's the journey, what journey are we taking?
And let's say how we feel, what we think, and
what modalities and techniques we plan to use,
whether it's getting well, you know, physically
well, or it's something that can be mentally
support us or something that we use internally
to grow like our consciousness or expand our
consciousness. And we use different modalities,
techniques, basically, it's based on our belief
systems. And then we try all try to climb the
same mountain. And just to realize that we all
are going to get to the same point and it doesn't
matter what tool we use, they all are valid.
They all are valid at different points. Like
for example, you can't even climb the whole mountain
just using one tool. A lot of people also make
that mistake of thinking that, for example, only
the conventional medical system can help. or
only the holistic wellness system can help. But
when there's an acute situation, you need the
conventional system. And when it's a chronic
issue or illness, then you need to take different
steps which are more aligned with the holistic
wellness system. And so there's no one right
answer. And based on our situations, we need
to use different tools. Basically, we need to
be more open and flexible. And the more accepting
we are and the more we are ready to let go and
be not stubborn, not too adamant on our ways
and our way of thinking, the better it is for
us and the faster we can climb the mountain.
Yeah. No, I like that. It's like a bricolage
of self -care. And I think that is, yeah, I think
that's the best strategy personally. I think
it almost becomes kind of political when people
limit themselves on the best avenue for something.
Like, you know... just, let's say, just, you
know, Western medicine versus some other form,
things like that. Because obviously, you know,
the joy of being human, I think, is, or at least
being a part of humanity and civilization, is
that everyone has, or at least society has been
broken down into a kind of mode of expertise.
And it seems really limiting. But the paradox,
I think, is that It is what advances humanity
so quickly. And it's when we use all of those,
you know, tools, for example, like you can go
to an osteopath, you can go to a physical therapist
for many issues, and then you go to a dietician
for other dietary issues. So yeah, and the issues,
the things that happen or the challenges that
arise are when people limit themselves You know,
oh, I'm only going to eat holistic food or things
like that. What's the fun in life if we are always
trying to be perfect, right? Definitely. Yeah.
Tell me about it. Do we think that there is value
in the like compartmentalization and specialization?
The thing that I'm sitting with is at the beginning
of the conversation you said The first thing
we're taught as kids is that everything has a
time and place, kind of, right? So we have subjects
and then we have professions. So, but obviously
those professions, those skills, they have inherent
value, like specialization is important, right?
It's important, but at the same time, we also
need to leave space for bridging them, right?
For connecting them. Because a lot of times it's
like... I am in isolation, but I want to be in
isolation. It's just like, you know, our lives.
We need time for ourselves also, right? We need
our time of being with our thoughts and ourselves.
We need our isolate. You know, we want to be
by ourselves and there are times we want to spend
with others and being community. There's always
has to be a balance. So there's nothing wrong
with specialization, but there has to be also
points of connection that have to be left on
the table. Absolutely, right? Open -mindedness.
Balance. Exactly. And that's what's absent in
our society. Sometimes, you know, people are
so adamant, they just don't want to think outside
the box. They don't stick with what they have
taught. So, look, I don't want to make this political,
but I do have to say this one thing. You can
make it political. It's strange. It is very strange
that countries have had to make laws for diversity,
equity and inclusion. Why isn't that the default?
Like, why doesn't that just exist within our
society by default? To me, that's kind of a concerning
factor. Sorry to cut you off, Ruby. No, no, please
go ahead. I think that happens because, maybe
I'm going to sound really arrogant when I say
this, but I think that happens because a lot
of, you know, the majority of society, perhaps,
when those laws were created, weren't educated,
weren't taught certain methods of thinking. you
know, weren't critical thinkers. It was just
really regimented and, well, like we're saying.
So, a lot of the kind of disaster happened. Does
that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm just,
I'm laughing because how did it, like, the majority
of people were not educated enough to be able
to think critically about this, but now we look
at the states and we have an active rollback
of DEI and that, that baffles me. Okay, but,
okay, fair enough. But how many? If we look at
the statistics, how many Americans are educated?
Yeah, I know. That's the concern. That's why
I'm laughing. That's terrifying that we have
the richest nation in the world that is actively...
I always knew this is going to sound bad, but
it's a legacy of this exact system of... of oppression
and compartmentalization and not sharing that
resulted in the majority of the South African
population being left in poverty and being uneducated,
right? Yeah. So they're not even able to engage.
I always knew that. But maybe I'm ignorant here.
I never, never, never knew that about. I mean,
there was a point in my life where I started
realizing that the Deep South has a problem with
education, but I never thought that it would
be so systemic to the point where we are now.
And kind of to bring it back to the podcast,
Arjun, how would you say that that is connected
to inner wealth? Exactly. You know, as Luigi
pointed out, it was, it was, yeah, sure, not
being educated was one factor. But at the same
time, the most biggest factor of all was also
giving away our inner power to someone else,
an external authority, a group of people who
decided what's right and what's wrong for you.
And then people blindly followed. Why did they
follow? Because they thought they weren't good
enough or there were certain aspects of the society
that I wouldn't want to say. which we all know
about, you know, people going to... I mean, I
don't want to make it too controversial, so I'm
not going to say the word, but, you know, it's
connected to worship, right? And they have always
kind of been connected with, you know, the political
systems and other systems, and they have always
dictated what's right for the people. and what
should be taught, what should not be taught.
And then again, people gave away their power.
If everyone is standing in their power, who has
the right to tell people what is right and what
is wrong, except the people themselves deciding.
So we all blindfolded ourselves and we went on
with whatever is taught to us. But I'm glad that
at least today we are in a place in our society
where there is a revolt there's a revolution
where people are waking up where people are saying
hey that's not good like people are speaking
out you know we are i feel we are growing and
i like to see or i like to believe the future
has been a much brighter one for all of us for
humanity because i see us getting there i compare
arch day to 200 years ago sure not everything's
perfect but it's definitely better i mean you
we couldn't have spoken about these things 200
years ago No, we wouldn't have known that the
three of us existed. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
that's very interesting. Also, there's another
thing I would like to, like a spiritual perspective
I can throw in over here. By all means. Earth
is a school. I mean, I have, you know, in mind
expansion sessions, what happens is, you know,
sometimes people talk to their future selves,
sometimes they communicate with their higher
selves, sometimes they communicate with their
parallel selves, parallel selves, or sometimes
they... communicate with their past selves. Which
is just an indication that there are like Earth
is a school and this is not home, a permanent
home. We are here to get educated, to have experiences
and then we graduate, right? And then we are
on holiday until we start again and bumping up
the level one step further. I've heard this theory
before, like, before you said it now, you mentioned
it in school. I would have defined it as spiritual
maturity. I have heard it too. Yeah, in terms
of spirituality. Yeah. So, I mean, I have come
across, even my own self, I have seen past lives.
And whenever we ask the higher self, people never
come, you know, for mind expansion, people never
come because they want to see their past or see
their future, whatever. They come with a problem.
I have this problem, I don't know how to solve
it or I'm anxious or I'm fearful, what should
I do? And they want answers, they can't find
answers, right? So you go inside, you expand
your consciousness, but everything is inside.
How do you do that? How do you go inside and
expand your consciousness to the point where
you could speak to future, past or parallel self?
Yeah, sure, I'd be happy to tell you. So the
first thing you do that we don't do in today's
society, is to first sit within ourselves, sit
with us, be in the present moment, be grounded
and not get carried away by what had happened
in the past or what will happen in the future.
By just being present for yourself, present in
the place where you are, just being present.
And slowly as you are spending more and more
time with yourself, you start So this is what
I'm trying to explain right now is something
you can do by yourself as well without having
like a mind expansion session. And then I'll
get to what I do in a mind expansion session.
All right. So we are always connected to a higher
self. We are always connected. We are the essence,
right? So it's all about being aware of it. And
how do you be aware of it? So step one, like
I say, is first being in the present moment.
And then second step as you continue to do so.
You slowly start not paying too much of attention.
You don't stop your thoughts. You know, sometimes
even I used to think meditation is about trying
to stop your thoughts, but you can never do that.
As long as a person is physically alive, it's
not possible. So you just don't engage with your
thoughts. And eventually there comes a point
and during one of the sessions, you know, one
of our beings guided me by telling me that when
I am in this state or when anyone is in this
state, they should just start visualizing themselves
in their mind's eye with their minds closed,
standing away and seeing yourself sitting there.
So in this way, what you do is you separate yourself
from your ego, from your identity, the identity
that the society has given you, that you have
adapted to, that you have accepted for yourself.
But you're not limited to your identity. You're
more than your identity. You are a reflection
of the universe. You're a reflection of all that
is, that is infinite. You are infinite. Right?
And so the moment you start doing that, you start
connecting more and more to your sense and hence
opens the bridge. You clear out the bridge for
that connection with your higher self, with the
universe. And whatever question you sit with,
at that point in time, there is, I guarantee
you, 101 % with absolute certainty, you will
get the answer. Maybe not in the moment, sometimes
in the moment. But you will definitely get the
answer in the following hours or days. And that's
how anyone can start connecting to that part
of themselves that a sense. And as for what I
do in the mind expansion session, I first start,
of course, we we clarify the what the intention
is, like I say, you know, even when you're sitting,
you can always have a question you'd like to
ask, or you always, we always clarify the intention
of the questions a person has. And then we start
with the breathing exercises to try and change
to get to change the brainwave states, you know,
because now as you're speaking, we are in a low
beta, medium beta, low alpha, always never in
one state, we are always like switching, right?
So we need to get the brainwave state to change
and go as close to theta as possible, which is
the state we are in when, you know, we are just
before falling asleep and just before waking
up like a dreamlike state or daydream state.
And some of us find ourselves even bumping up
into gamma, where you're hyper aware. And that
happened with me. I was like freaking hyper aware
of everything. What was happening in the room?
What was happening in the session? What was happening
outside of the house? Everything was so clear.
And, but when I woke up from the session, everything
felt like it was a daydream. It was a dream.
I was hyper aware when that was happening. So
with breathing, and then I like to use Greg Braden's
What he suggests that you get into an elevated
state of emotion as even Dr Joe Dispenza speaks
of. As we get into an elevated state of emotion
and knowing that the vibration, everything is
energy and hence everything has vibration. The
vibration of the divine is love. And for that
reason, I love the movie Interstellar. It's very
close to my heart. Love is the most purest, the
most divine form of emotion, the highest ever
on the highest vibration. Ruby, you want to say
something? Yeah. So this whole conversation has
so many links to our conversation with Diane.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah.
And so you've touched on resonance and vibration
and the higher self. Pretty much the only thing
we've really missed is what spirits are, basically.
And I'd actually love to engage with you on that.
But the thing I wanted to ask was, have you read
The Power of Holy Language? I haven't read the
book. Okay. Is it a book? It's a book, yeah.
I have the audio book. I consume books via audio
because I spend a lot of time in my car. But
it spoke exactly about this. The vibration of
the divine is love and acceptance. and flowering
of everything. So yeah, sorry to interrupt. Carry
on. Wise. Yeah, absolutely. So that's what it
is. And the more we can align with that vibration
before we get into the next steps, the more better
it is for that connection I feel for everything
that is to unfold. And once we get the person
into my client into a higher, you know, emotional,
like a very emotional state, which is more of
love and joy. And freedom, that's when we start
a guided visualization process. Because the mind,
the imagination or visualization is a bridge
that connects the higher dimensions or all that
is the quantum field or the Higgs field or the
universe, whatever you want to call it, to us,
wherever we are now. And so through visualization,
we slowly start shifting or expanding that consciousness.
into including what we generally don't include
as we live in the third dimension, which is restricted
by time and space, to finally expand our consciousness
and move beyond this limitation where we can
experience more time, where we can experience
all the times, all the possibilities, all that
there is, because that's where the answers lie.
And it was very interesting. So please go ahead.
I want to ask, do you think there's a group of
people who is not able to do this? Are there
people in an emotional state who will not be
able to achieve this because of that emotional
state? I'm thinking of like, for example, depression.
Are there barriers to entry? First of all, for
everyone, this is possible. There is no exception
to this, except, of course, as you said, there
can be certain emotions. that can prevent the
person from entering into the state of expanding
their consciousness, being fear of the process
itself or what's to unfold, anxiety and anxiety
around the whole process or maybe anxiety about
something else. And you know why that is? It's
tied to our brainwave state. Because if fear,
anxiety and all these are more relevant to the
beta brainwave state, And so if you're constantly
in the beta brainwave state, so I have this,
I drew this, I created this diagram, which I
have placed on my website and it's like an iceberg.
So we are always, and there's a tip of the iceberg
that's above the water and there's a huge part
of the iceberg that's below in the ocean, right?
And you're always only accessing that part, which
is above the water that you can think of as beta
alpha. what we are generally like driving, talking,
sleep, like everything else except sleeping,
of course. And when we sleep, we drop down, we
drop down into the ocean and access the most
lowest point, you know, the Delta. Yeah. But
then there are other parts that we can access
them. When we finally, when we start diving down
into the ocean, we start expanding our consciousness.
So anything that can prevent a person to shift
their brainwave state, can actually prevent the
person from getting into that state. That's exactly
what I wanted to ask. Yeah. Good. So it's like,
I'm going to, I'm going to move on to, to, into
my question, the way that we chose our topics.
Coincidentally, I think they fit quite well into
what you were thinking. And my question is, how
do you think technology, how, how is technology
related to what you do and how does it integrate
into our spirituality, our inner wealth and mind
expansion. I see technology just as another tool,
right? And again, people are arguing AI is bad.
Some people say AI is a boon, it's a blessing.
Again, it's like a tool like a knife. You can
either kill someone with a knife or you can do
something fantastic. You can create something
artistic, right? Or you can do something as basic
as cutting vegetables. It's up to us. And as
far as I don't know if you read recently, there
were some articles about quantum computers that
they can access other dimensions and other realities
that is beyond the third dimension or the very
linear way we think of, you know, it's working
in a very different way. It's accessing parallel
realities. It's accessing more than just the
present time, and which already exists. So it's
actually accessing all of this. And I feel that
maybe not changing the topic, but maybe it's
connected to what you previously sent me, the
snapshot. Everything has to exist, already exists.
Everything that is, that will come in the future,
that has been in the past, that is in the present,
everything already exists and is still going
on. We are never creating anything. We are always
shifting. We are always shifting. We are never
creating, we are always shifting. But at the
state that we are in now, we have no idea what
has already existed, right? But then do you think
there's a predeterminism or are we able to jump
between parallel realities? My question really
is, does freedom and free will exist? Absolutely.
In your mind. absolutely does especially now
if we think of from the point of view of our
ego mind we have i mean we still have freedom
not to that extent that we think of because our
soul has already decided and again who is the
soul it's us it's us that's not packed in a box
right that's aware of everything so our soul
has already decided the outcomes or the lessons
it needs to learn it has already decided the
experiences it needs to have, it needs, it wants
to have, right? In the third dimension, like
in the third dimension on earth, with this ego
mind, the liberty that we have, the kind of freedom
that we have is to choose how that unfolds, to
what extent we experience something like, for
example, if the soul has decided that it wants
to experience some disease, right? Of course,
there will be circumstances created in our lives
that will cause it, but the way we handle it
is going to determine to what extent we experience
it. Is that making sense? Yeah. And it brings
another question. Go ahead, Ruby. I asked the
same question to Diane when we spoke to her.
And my question really is, so you're talking
about the soul, the soul wanting to experience
things. And then I'm wondering, so I'm transgender.
How do you think that relates to everything that
you've said so far with regards to my soul, my
higher self, and what I am? Because in my mind,
it's not even in my mind, it's just fact. I have
always existed with this personality. This is
me. And this is more me now than it's ever been
before because everything was performance based
on ego. which I transcended. So, what's your
opinion? So, we all have aspects of ourselves,
right? The soul has many aspects. You are just
this one form of you, that groupie ray, is one
aspect of the soul. It does not define the soul.
And as souls, we are eternal, right? We are limitless.
And we experience everything. So that means,
you or me or anyone else has experienced life
even as a transgender, as a male, as a female,
as another alien body, as anything and everything
you can think of, right? And as we move on a
higher level and we speak on a higher level,
what are we? We are an essence of the Divine.
We are a reflection of the Creator. We are all
that is experiencing itself in different forms.
In timelessness, we experience everything in
the now. That means we cannot go through that
journey. We cannot have those experiences linearly.
It's a different experience. You know, experiencing
everything in the now is so different than experiencing
something linear, right? It's more enhanced that
way. So that's the reason why we choose to limit
ourselves and we have different experiences.
Okay. We choose to limit ourselves because is
it too overwhelming for our ego? No. No, no.
The ego is there as something to just protect
ourselves. It's not a bad thing. Right. Okay.
Trying to wrap my head around it. So I had a
question, but I forgot what it was. And it was
so poignant. It was about, okay, give me a second.
You can talk to me. I'm fun. Yeah, talk to Ruby.
I'll remember it. Oh my goodness. Wait, wait,
I got it. Okay. Sorry. Speaking of the soul,
I remembered. So... Like, how do we get our,
how do we talk to our soul? How do we get to
know what it wants us to do? You're always, we're
always being guided as to what to do. We never
listen to our heart, do we? We never listen to
our intuition. Well, I certainly don't. That's
the compass. Yeah, that's the compass. And the
way to connect more with it. Because remember,
there's a lot of noise. Now, for example, when
Ruby was recording without the mic, there was
other noises along with her. And the way she
isolated her voice, her voice from all the noise
that was by, like I said, just being in the present
moment helps by doing that. The first thing I
told you, the way to connect with the higher
self, or you can say the way to intuition higher
self is the same thing. Or our soul, it's all
the same thing, higher self, soul. Whatever you
want to call it, it's all the same. Yeah. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. And we just need to be present for
it. I mean, it's just like, um, you know, when
you talk to someone, you're talking to, like,
we all are talking to each other. You're present
for each other. So be present for your soul in
just the same way. Like, and it's not always
going to end for different people. They experience
it in different ways. Like some people. Of course,
the feeling is always common. We all have a certain
feeling that I feel good about this. I don't
feel that great about this. I don't feel too
excited about this. I'm bored even thinking of
that. So that's the best compass, right? And
at the same time, we can also see that the soul
also, like I said, there are layers of the onion.
There's a core of the onion and there are different
layers. Now a lot of people say, I feel really
excited to eat McDonald's every day. There's
a lot of noise, like, you know, a person can
be going through internal noise or external noise.
Internal noise is created again when we are living
too much in the beta brainwave state. Too much.
And why would that happen? Because we are not
in the present moment. People are generally ruminating
about what happened in the past, or people are
generally thinking of what's going to happen
in the future. We're always either ahead or behind,
right? And then we're never present and that
means we're tuning into more than our intuition.
So we'll never clearly get what our intuition
is trying to tell us or our soul is trying to
tell us. And the more and more we practice this
by just being with our present selves, by listening
to our present selves, the more we will be very
clear of what we want and then follow it, not
just... You know, a lot of people have those
answers and they don't know, they don't act on
it. On top of that, this feeling is one very
common for all of us. Apart from that, answers
also come to people in the form of knowingness.
That generally happens with me. Sometimes it
comes even in the form of the more stronger this
connection grows, answers or direction come to
you in the form of images. And, or sometimes
they even come through, they might feel that
they heard something, spoken word. Clear audience,
clear wine house as they call it. That's very
interesting. So to go back to your McDonald's
example, just so I understand. So a person who
wants McDonald's every day, I really want McDonald's.
So that's not true. They don't really want McDonald's?
Because if a person is anxious all the time,
right? They just want to feel void with something.
Right. Or like a person has, they say, a quote
-unquote sweet tooth. Again, it taps into what
emotions they are. And the consciousness, the
subconscious is trying to protect us, is trying
to make us feel at comfort, make us try and not
that we don't go crazy. It's always trying to
protect us. So, we try to fill in the void with
things that sometimes are engineered in this
world that we live in. Right. So that we have
a kind of sense of satisfaction in a different
manner. For example, someone who hasn't had love
all their life in their childhood, and then suddenly
they feel more attracted to things like binge
eating. Okay. I'm just saying it's one possibility.
There can be many possibilities. This is all
very convincing for me personally. Like I understand
doing, I understand. Why? Well, hang on. I understand
the eating McDonald's thing, and I understand,
like, why people might eat because, you know,
you know, we hear it in popular culture all the
time, like, they're feeling a void, blah, blah,
blah. But it makes sense. Like, we don't want
to sit with bad emotions. But for the things
I think a lot personally about, you know, I always
think about what my motivations are and why I'm
motivated. And so it, you know, and then Arjun
says things like maybe it's from your... something
in your childhood like you didn't receive enough
love and I'm just thinking personally on some
level. Maybe that's, I'm not saying I didn't
receive enough love, but I'm just saying, you
know, maybe my desire, my desires are actually
a reflection of something I was lacking in the
past and I'm tortured by my desires and I want
them so bad and they give me a lot of misery,
but maybe I have to just really see what the
emotion is and then I won't have those desires
anymore and I'll feel a lot more. Absolutely.
That's the whole thing about inner wealth. Absolutely.
I think identifying and knowing yourself to the
level of understanding why you're feeding something.
If you don't understand why you are feeding something,
there's no way you can solve the problem. Unless
it's by sheer luck, which I don't think is a
thing in this kind of scenario. That's right.
And what we do is generally we tend to find help
externally when that happens. So that's never
gonna solve the problem. I mean, we have to go
inside. We need to go inside. Will it solve the
problem in as much as if you seek help externally,
that professional, let's say, will give you the
tools to do the inner work? It's a tool. Right.
And many times we are given guidance. Like I
said, nothing is good, nothing is bad. Everything
has its role. Everything has some or the other
role. Sure, sometimes... things could be rather
not doing anything, you know, not helping at
all. But again, it might be true for someone
else. Right. Yeah. So it also depends on our
circumstances, how we deal with it, how we understand
it, what we do with it or we don't do with it.
Do we think there'll be a point where technology
integrates into the ego, the subconscious and
the higher self? Like I said, there are many,
many realities. that are already existing and
unfolding. And there are realities where we are
one with technology. Some people call it that
it's a very destructive kind of a future. Then
there are also realities where technology is
with us, but as a companion, as a co -creator,
where it's not taking over our biology. And then
there's everything within that. you know, in
between. And believe it or not, what we think
and what we do, what we don't do, really dictates
on which reality we will be choosing and going
on to. And remember, it's not like that one instance
will change that reality. No. It's every little
thing you do, every second we are switching,
we are changing. Every little thing we do, every,
every, with every little step we take, with every
little thought we think, with every little thing
we do or don't do, we are shifting. So we, throughout
this podcast, we've created hundreds of thousands
of different realities. We don't create anything,
everything already exists. They're, okay, well,
we've jumped hundreds of thousands of realities.
Okay, yeah. I just want to add to the whole,
okay, Ruby, so Ruby, what was your last question?
Say it again, just so I can give my answer to
that, because I think - Do you think that there
will be a point where technology integrates into
us so much that it becomes part of our consciousness
and our being inseparable. Like that's the whole
kind of there's a whole science fiction kind
of aspect of that of like uploading our consciousness
you know into onto the internet but exactly I
was thinking of the phone like we're already
we're already so like it is an extension of ourselves
we use our phones like they are so intimate intimate
with us It is a kind of transhumanism. Much of
me, that's the kaleidoscope logo right there,
much of me has been offloaded into this thing.
That is, if I lose this, I would be devastated.
Thank God for the cloud. I think it's for everyone.
The boundaries are blurred now between some...
some technologies we use and our identities.
And it's so intimate. Now, the challenge happens
when, let's say, you know, you're afraid of losing
everything on the cloud. So I think, you know,
Arjun's work would come in here and sitting with
yourself and trying to ask yourself, well, is
that ego? So what if I lost everything in the
cloud? Do I really need it? Your soul registers
everything, any which ways. You will lose anything,
right? But yeah. I mean, it's more the fear.
It's what emotion we live in. Primarily. I mean,
we can't always live. We can always be happy,
go lucky. Sure. We are in fear sometimes. Sometimes
you're anxious. Sometimes you're happy. But it's
about what you choose to live in majority of
the times. So is it a choice? It's always a choice.
See, you cannot change the situation you're in.
Yeah. Agree. At least not instantly. I mean,
if you're already there, I mean, of course you
can go somewhere from that destination, but given
the situation you're in, it's not the situation
that matters, it's how you deal with it that
matters. What you do with it. Right. Yeah. I
would agree. Yeah, definitely. Ruby, what are
you thinking? Thinking, I'm thinking you're right.
And then I'm thinking, I'm wondering if I would
want, if I would, if I would want to live in
the intersection of time. Okay. Wait, let's go.
That just gave another... I'm conscious, right?
The conscious self that is me has jumped hundreds
of thousands of realities in the 50, 60 minutes
that we've been talking. But myself, my consciousness
has remained here in this reality and left the
others behind. Are there others of me? that are
feeling the same way in other realities? Or is
this reality? No, you are multi -present. You
are a presence that you are aware of. It's just
that because we don't want to go crazy, we have
chosen to limit ourselves. You're blowing my
mind. Hold on. I think, Ruby, you're experiencing
this reality right now. And when you think about,
when you think it's not, true, it's your ego,
trying to like buffer against all the other realities.
So it's like, just let it happen. Don't overthink
it. Not to overthink it. Then he's absolutely
right. Luigi is right. You've just got to go
with the flow. That's what matters at the end.
Sure. Yeah. No, like I understand. But it's kind
of an... And it's when we have the expectations
of how things should be rather than how they
are that we get all in our heads and we like
ruminate and things like that. I speak from experience
and years of therapy. But the reason I ask the
question is because I have a continuum in my
mind. But what we're basically trying to say
is that the soul is split into infinite consciousnesses
that have infinite continuities from the time
of gaining consciousness, I suppose. Exactly.
But at the same time, it's also present. as a
whole in timelessness, as a whole, not as a whole,
as a whole. It's a vertical moment for me. You
know, as humans have given also the limited brains
and the limited realities we live in, we are
limited. We have chosen to limit ourselves, right,
for this experience. But a lot of things we cannot
even try to comprehend or understand with our
limited perception. And so at times what happens
is sure, some things could, you know, the same
fact that we just discussed could stress some
people up or could liberate some people, right?
And what I would just encourage you and all of
the listeners as well is to just let it liberate
you and just go with the flow. Just know that
everything is possible and the power is in your
hand. That's the entire reason why we discussed
this, right? Because in the end, it just makes
you realize that everything exists And where
you go is your choice. So rise up to your power.
Don't be afraid. I may have come across as stressed
or something. It's more an epiphany. I'm not
stressed. No, not you. Just generally, I'm saying.
I'm also speaking to the ether, to the listener,
to the watcher. And by watcher, I don't only
mean you watcher on YouTube, I mean... The watchers.
Universe. The watchers of the universe. Do the
watchers exist? Are there people that watch us?
Sure. Or are there beings? Other consciousness,
of course, at all times. You have your guides
right now with you. All of us. We have our divine
teams with us guiding us, whispering in our ears.
Not literally, but yeah. They're always guiding
us and we always have signs from them. Like I
said, the moment you sit down, you can always
even get their guidance. You can receive their
guidance. That's so crazy Because not everyone
can be as brave as we are being on this earth.
It's not it's no easy task Yeah, I do that. I
think I think that maybe we come to earth as
a holiday as a safari As a pretty tough holiday
as a school. Yeah Well, maybe it's a school.
Maybe it's maybe it's a holiday. Maybe it's a
maybe it's a safari. Maybe it's a It's a holiday
for billionaires, maybe. Naked and alone, or
what's that show? Naked and Afraid. That's what
you think. No, I think even, I don't know, I
think it's in this context, I think to learn.
Yeah, sure. Because it's tough being human. Yeah.
Even for the people that we think are, you know,
the wealthiest on earth. All we know is that.
Yeah, I think that all problems are equal in
the mind of the soul, in the eyes of the soul.
Like, I think that you're stressed. why you stress
for different reasons. Right. I don't think that
that stress is comprehensible beyond the line
of being. There's like, while someone might idolize
the idea of wealth, when they get there, they
might find that they hate it. Yeah. You know,
people will have different types of problems.
We all have different types of problems. Even
the ones who are really wealthy, like abundant
physically. are also facing some of the other
things in their own lives. So no one is scot
-free in this manner. But then I also want to
say, I do think that there is a difference when
you have an existential fear. And I think that
once you get past basic human needs, your fears
become ego -based. But I think there is a level
where your fears are existential. For someone
homeless, for example, I don't think their fears
and their problems are equal. Elon Musk's problems.
He might feel, for example, that they are equal
to the problems. Or maybe he idolizes the poor
person because he thinks that they have no problem,
but their issue is existential. Right? And I
don't think that that is the same. I think everybody
should be raised above the level of existential
fear. Sorry. I think we're okay. I think again,
we need to define existential. Because the way
I'm hearing it from you is... My understanding
of existential or existentialism is we have great
anxiety when we understand we have no true meaning
in life and we have to create our meaning. The
way you're talking about it, the way you're using
it, it seems, is... I'm not talking philosophically.
Okay. Yeah, I'm talking like... So I think we
need to clarify that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry.
I'm not on... Uh, what is his name? Soren Kierkegaard.
The father of existentialism. No, I'm not, I'm
not there right now. I'm on the level of, if
I don't get food today, I'm going to starve to
death kind of level. So like more survival. Survival.
Yeah. Yeah. Like your, your literal presence
on earth will end because of this, right? I think
that is a different level of stress too. Oh no.
If I don't make this sale, I'm going to lose
my job. Well, the stress might feel the same.
Yeah. I don't think that they really can. Yeah.
I think it's subjective. I would argue it doesn't
matter because the biggest issue is a fear of
not existing for whatever reason. Is the homeless
person afraid they're not going to eat and die?
the person making the sale afraid they're not
going to make the sale and then die? It depends
how closely they're tied to the identity of being
a salesman, right? Because the salesman will
die. That reality will end, right? Why? Or it
will shift to the extent of not being a salesman.
He'll be a worse salesman. Well, then that's
like a kind of social death. Yeah, actually,
if you go to see, the moment you have a fear,
and you start questioning it, very soon you can
come to a realization, if you work on it, that
it's just an illusion. You know, I have been
there, to be frank, I'll tell you why I've gone
into doing this inner wealth work, aside from
wellness. And especially the mind, prioritizing
the mind, even over like physical, I mean, now
what has happened is that my wife is taking over
all of, you know, the physical aspect and hopes
and emotions, and even as emotions as well. And
I have completely decided to take over the mind
and all these things, because I do realize, and
I have been there, where I was at a point in
time where I didn't pay my social security, I
just couldn't, I had limited amount of funds
and I had to decide what can I do with it? Of
course, buy my own food first, right? And in
that, I didn't have too much flexibility. I have
been there. And what changed things was me thinking
that It's my choice. Like, okay, I'm faced with
the situation, but how do I deal with it? Do
I submerge myself in a fear that will consume
me? That possibly is something as bad as existence
and fear, just as you all pointed out. It was
just an illusion. Or do I make something out
of it where I can grow from here? I can make
this my foundation. I'm at my foundation. I'm
at the lowest in my life. And I decided to go
the other way. to make this my foundation to
build and grow from here, to come into my power.
And that started shifting things for me. And
then the moment we start working on our fears,
we realize that most of them are illusions. It
never gets as bad as, you know, not existing
or dying. It never happens because although we
live in a world which is challenging to live
in, but there are always love funds and people
who are amazing, kind -hearted, who are always
around. Yeah. And I think that's a really good
point. And I think a lot of people forget that.
We always think the worst case scenario, you
know, that's the nervous system. Well, I think
the worst case scenario is really just shame.
It's really, it's really not, you know, dying
in a ditch. It's just shame. And that's so jarring
for most people. Absolutely. It's not as bad
as we think it is. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Can't confirm.
And let me just put on one more point. Would
you ever... go to a movie that has nothing going
on except this one guy or a girl or a family
living this one life where everything is super
good at all points. Everything's perfect. Would
you even enjoy such a movie? Nah. Maybe artistically.
You might. And now that you say that, I would
see that movie just for the sake of it having
never been done before. And it would make me
think and I go, but I do know what you're saying.
Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't enjoy the movie. From
an academic perspective, I might leave with cynical
judgment. There are movies like that now. There
was a movie like that recently. It was with Tom
Hanks. What was it called? And it took place
in a house and just people changing throughout
the years. Obviously they had their, you know,
whatever problems, but it's kind of the same
idea. What was it called? But imagine if you
don't have anything going on in life and everything
is super awesome at all times. Would you really
enjoy life? Like they say, if you never have
darkness, you won't know what light is. Yeah,
I get that. See, I could never answer that question
because my life is never just so easy. I wish
I could figure that out. Do you think that we
create the problems? We create the problems to
keep things interesting. Let's not call them
problems. Let's call them challenges. Okay. We
are, some of our challenges are, this is what
you said, it's an illusion. We manufacture illusions
in order to keep things interesting. And also
to learn and have experiences and grow. Okay.
I like that more. I mean, I don't want to think
of like self -sabotage. No, never. Never shoot
yourself in the foot, you know, thinking that
you will only have problems in your life that
you can handle. You'll never have problems in
your life that you cannot handle. I like that.
That should be everyone's mantra. Yeah. Luigi,
one more question before we move on to your topic.
How does this lead into your struggles with spending
money? Oh, geez. I don't know. Still, maybe Arjun
can help me with this. Arjun, I don't like to
spend money and it causes me a lot of grief to
spend money. Like I obviously have a fear that
it'll never be enough. He doesn't want to come
to Thailand with me because he doesn't want to
spend the money to come. Leave it alone. Consciously,
it looks that way. Like I said again, there are
deeper things inside that you need to question
that why do you feel that way? Yeah. And something
will definitely pop up. There is something behind
it. And the moment you let go and resolve it
and liberate it and transform it in alchemy,
You will never have that fear again. Yeah. Yeah
agree. Obviously I have to do the inner work.
I'm just I just have not done it but Yeah Someday
day by day. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for for for indulging
me for a second Tell us tell us what your question
is My question. Well, I mean we cut I we think
we Know we did not cover this. Yeah. Well Okay,
let me find it. Where'd it go? So, no, it kind
of is. We did kind of talk about it. So let's
talk about some of my neuroticism, as always.
You know, obviously I'm back home, and when I
come back home, I am reminded of the things I
still possess, the physical media. And I'm looking
at a lot of it. Okay, we could say physical media,
but like physical things can be anything. you
know, old toys, video games, whatever, teacups.
There are some things I think, I don't need this
anymore, but I'll say, I'll throw it out later.
So, like, why do we need, do we still, do we
need physical media nowadays with everything
being, let's say, virtual, digital, on the internet?
Is there a comfort in having a physical, tangible
thing? Or should we just, as adults, do away
with it? I think kids need physical media. Or
actually, I think everybody needs these physical
things, but it's - Define media. Define media.
Yeah, I'm saying media, but I don't really mean
like a VHS tape or a DVD. So I'm just like, let's
say, how can I say it? Physical objects? I wonder
if physical media incorporates all of the things.
So one thing you know about me, Ruby, is I love
mugs and I love novelty mugs. They're a big part
of my, I don't know, I think they're a big part
of my personality. That's for giving me an idea
for what to bring back for you. Very good, but
are they necessary or is it just another kind
of attachment? I look at it in a different manner.
You're looking at it as just perhaps physical
media, you're understanding it as that. But I
believe it's very likely, it's more than that,
it's memories. It's emotions connected to those
things. And even if there are no memories connected
to those things, generally, the way those things
are reminds you of something or gives you a certain
feeling, again, emotions. And that's the reason
why you tend to be also attached to things and
want to have them in your space. Yeah. I can,
I can look at it. Yes. So there, for me, I mean,
off the top of my head, there are two ways of
me looking at it. There's like the nice nostalgia.
And then there's also my, my, let's say my money,
my money worries. I have this, it's almost like
hoarding. Like I think, what if I need it? But
I know that was my question. Like how do you,
where, where does the, where do we draw the line
between collection and hoarding? Yeah, when it,
you know, when it's really getting so excess
that it starts affecting you. You know, affecting
you because hoarding does affect people. Their
emotions and, and, and Dr. Bradley Nelson, who
is the author of the emotion code and the body
code. And I completely agree with this also wrote
about that people who are hoarding are kind of
creating like a wall around them. Not literally,
but. Yeah, psychologically. Yeah. Logically.
What are they trying to protect themselves from?
Again, at the root, there's something else. Is
there some trauma? Is there some emotion? Is
it some fear? Surely there is something that
one needs to work on. Yeah, I think so. Definitely.
Yeah. And there's nothing to feel bad about because
all of us have something or the other to work
on. That's the reason why we are here, right?
No one can be scot -free and perfect. Yes. And
then also I don't think that there is a problem
in wanting to collect mugs because... No, there
isn't. But me personally, I'll just say the things
I have, they do cause me grief in as much as
I have to depend on others to manage them for
me because my life is moderately transient. You
know, I don't really have a truly permanent home.
So when I come home, I have my things. It's not
a lot, but I think it's still a little too much
maybe. And I really value those things because
like my T -wares, for example, like I remember
the struggle of getting those, like traveling
all over China, picking them out, curating them.
And like now I look at them years later and I
think, ah, this is not very valuable. But I went
through so much to get it. And still if something
happened to me, happen to them, it would cause
me a lot of, like, anxiety maybe. I'm sure I
would get over it, but... Value doesn't come
from monetary. I mean, I can appreciate the value
that comes from materials that we use, if they're
rare, hard to find, high quality, and there's
a lot of effort that goes into making them. But
that same effort comes into the curation process
of finding things. I know you, I'm sure that
you didn't curate trash. I think I did in as
much as I didn't know any better. So that's the
thing, then it was a learning experience on top
of all of that. Yeah, I would agree, but you
know. But I think now in the world today it's
so paradoxical because... While everything is
kind of like subscriptions, we people don't really
have, they don't really want to purchase. Let's
go back to physical media and let's say anything
that's not digital we can now talk about. I want
to say something on this, actually. Because you're
talking about the curation of things. And I've
always had a passion for quality things. And
if I'm able to get those things, then I will.
high school, there was this, I received criticism
from my family for always buying expensive things.
But what I would do is I would be like, I would
obsess over something for weeks. I would do intense
research. I would read research papers and design
documents on how something was made before I
would buy it. And then I would save money and
then I would buy it. And if just before I bought
it, something else that was better came out that
I had read about, I would buy that thing instead.
So it's been a lot of money on this one thing,
but then that one thing would stay with me for
years and years. And I think that that kind of
media, that kind of, let's call them objects.
Has been lost. Okay. I'm I'm flying to South
Africa tomorrow. Here's a razor I'll be taking
this razor. I've been looking at another razor
online for over two years and I wish I had bought
it but now I'm not gonna because it's expensive
Yeah, for a razor It's a razor. Yeah. Well, obviously
you care about quality And I think that's good.
I think like to me it seems like you have a very
practical sense of using your money But I could
be wrong. I don't know how many insane branding
items I buy. Sometimes I buy too many things.
How much money did I spend on establishing this
podcast? I spent way too much money on microphones
because I thought this is what I need. Like,
this one is the only one that I truly wanted.
And I'm not sad about it. Why didn't you return
the things after you used them and thought, okay,
it's not exactly what I'm looking for? That's
a very good question because I like them. Okay.
Because I like them and I would try to find a
use case for them, for the ones that I bought.
It's like you want to have them. There's some
kind of commodity fetish there. Yeah, commodity
fetish. I've never heard a phrase that way. Well,
it's a famous phrase, the commodity fetish. Not
in my books. Well, the point is, I'll try and
break it down real quick. So essentially the
commodity fetish is in an anthropological sense,
A fetish is a thing that is used spiritually
to hold all of these kinds of qualities, you
know, used in religious ceremony or whatnot.
So that happens to our commodities. That's why
in today, in late capitalism, let's say, when
we purchase things, it goes beyond the utility
of the object. It is the qualities we acquire
and the in the kind of charmed circle we get
to belong to once we have those things. It's
kind of like, you know, what's everybody buying
in China right now, Ruby? And you think, oh my
god, so silly. Those dolls, the key chain dolls.
That's right, the Labooboos. Arjun, do you know
about Labooboo? I just heard of Labooboo. Yeah,
it's just trendy, you know? It's social media.
It's the media, I would say. Right, and so everybody
buys it to... It's to belong to a group, let's
say. It's a social experience and you buy it
to be a part of it. And more importantly, if
you saw someone, let's say like a celebrity with
the Labooboo, how do you get, how do you acquire
the same qualities as a celebrity? You do it
through your taste. You buy the Labooboo and
then you have them. She left again. She'll be
back. Okay. We got to wait for her. Yeah, of
course. Yeah, it's better to wait. I'll text
her and see. Even me. It's almost... Well, I
guess where she is, it's almost 12. Oh, is it?
Where is she exactly? Look at it right now. She's
in Suzhou city, which is southwest of Shanghai
city by like 90 kilometers. I don't know if that
needs anything to you. I don't know if, I don't
know what your geography of China is, but you
know Shanghai is a very famous city. No, I don't
know much. Yeah, but 90 kilometers, yeah, it's
not much, right? No, about an hour and a half.
Okay, but your time zones are the same, of course.
My time zone, China is 12 hours ahead of me.
So while it is, it's almost 12 in the afternoon
here, so it'd be 12 a .m. there. Yeah, no, sorry,
you weren't in China, right? Yeah, okay. But
let's see where she is. Disconcerting. Because
she's the host. She needs to be recording this.
I got to check all my computers. I'm on multiple
screens. Believe it or not. Let me see. Maybe
she fell asleep. I'm back. Welcome back, Ruby.
I'm sorry. I don't know what happened outside
this room, but I think one of the animals shut
down the Wi -Fi by accident. Are you joking?
No, no, I'm dead serious. Like, I lost Wi -Fi.
Luckily, I have a backup Wi -Fi router here,
so I just switched. Oh, okay. You can edit it
out. So... It'll be, thanks to Riverside, it'll
be edited out by itself. Well, I made my point
about the fetish. So that's why... Perhaps that's
why you like the things you do. They have a quality
that marks your identity or gives you this kind
of qualities. where you purchase it and you feel
like you belong to a certain group that you value.
Arjun, what do you think? You know, I... Again,
going back 50, 100 years, you know, we had minimalistic
kind of a living. You know, things were pretty
much quality. You know, the refrigerators and
everything. First of all, there was really less
stuff that time compared to now. And I feel...
I don't want to get into conspiracy theories
like hardcore, but you know, we have been divided
by certain powers, groups, I would say, who also
overlook and decide what we should learn, how
the society should function, how the economy
should be. And I feel that a lot of things are
just distractions to keep us engaged in our own
worlds, small worlds that we create to feel powerless.
Because remember, together we are powerful and
divided like we fall, right? And so we cannot
see as much as consumerism and that's so much
of stuff that we see today in today's time. We
couldn't see that 100, 150 years ago. And I feel
like, again, nothing is good and bad. But I think
we are also reaching a point where it's really
hurting the earth. you know, exploitation of
the resources and so on and so forth. Because
the economy needs to keep going. Well, they could
create quality products as Ruby points out. And
I really appreciate her for, you know, being,
buying quality and sticking with it, you know,
and of course, quality products do last a lifetime
and more, you know, and they get passed on generations.
And that's a great practice, by the way. And
I feel that we now need to come back to that
point where it's not like stuff is bad, but The
so -called companies that make low quality cheap
products can also make high quality higher quality
products that last But then again, they think
if you know, what if products last and people
are not gonna buy again? Yeah, and so it's it's
not us Of course, you know people are in their
own stresses and emotions and traumas and and
so much going on There is a void in all of us
also because you are divided that we want to
fill and we need to felt belonged somewhere or
we need to feel a certain way. And if you see
the advertisements, you see brands like Coca
-Cola, Apple, and so on and so forth. The way
they make the ads, it's like all psychology.
It's designed in such a way that communicates
directly to your subconscious and makes you want
it and have it. Yeah, Ruby, you should be an
expert on this stuff. Isn't this what you studied
in school? Yeah, I studied on how to make people
want things. Actually, no, no, no, no. It was
part of my studies, but my studies was more focused
on internal management of employees during a
crisis. Snap. I thought it was more like communications.
Yeah, it is communication management and my specialization,
my major. or my major project at the end was
internal branding. Internal communication management.
My education too, part of it was in rhetoric.
And a lot of people just think rhetoric is just
fancy ways of talking and convincing through
an argument. But no, it extends beyond that.
It's the things we consume, the way we decorate
a room, things like that. So I do think about
it quite a bit. Maybe that's why I'm not so apt
to buy good quality things because on some level,
I don't believe in that good quality. I just
think because I can't see the logistics of the
product, I also am very skeptical and think the
price is just marked up. For example, in North
America, there are famous retail stores called
like Marshall's and you buy clothes there that
you think are top -notch quality goods, you know.
And you see the label, the price tag, and it
says, you know, in other stores it would be this
much, but at our store, it's this much. So you
see this marked down. But really, from what I
understand is that it's just, it's a ruse. It's
a psychological tactic to get you to purchase
it and think you are making a deal for a quality
product. No store. is going to mark down a product
into a loss. Unless it's like some kind of extreme
scenario. And then there'll be a strategy to
make money from something else. Yeah, right.
But when you see some of the items in some places
that are marked down because, you know, season's
over, whatever, and you see how inexpensive it
is, you realize how much it really doesn't cost
But I think we are insulated from that in China.
To a very large extent. I buy my clothes from
the cheapest place possible. And then I wear
them for years. But yes, me too. But what about
shopping malls in China? No, they're mocked up.
But that's bread and circus. I know, that's my
point. That's bread and circus. Wait, we need
to get Arjun back, because I only see a freeze
frame right now. No, he's still here. He's listening.
Absolutely. I was just listening to your conversations,
and if I may add, because prior to the pandemic,
we owned a company of organic cotton clothing,
t -shirts, naturally dyed t -shirts. And so,
of course, we are aware of the ongoings, or at
least of the fashion industry. And that's true,
at least talking. of fast fashion, speaking of
fast fashion, you know, the brands and everything,
they are generally produced in like underdeveloped
countries or developing countries, and very cheap
labor, sweatshops, and the same items are, you
know, even used by brands that are, they charge
in a very high price on the label, you know,
they have a very high price on the label, like
ultra -luxury brands, or what do you call it?
brands like that are just good enough for almost
everyone. It's all, it's a facade. That's true
at many levels and many brands, you know, it's
just a facade. So you are right, Luigi. You are
absolutely right into thinking that they actually
have a very high profit margin and it's actually
an exploitation. And that's why at least what
we try and do is most of the times wherever possible.
we try to buy local, more handmade, more stuff
like that. And yeah, just because something is
high in price doesn't mean it's going to be good
in quality. But when you're buying something
from someone that makes it personally, or like
a small group of people or a smaller company,
not by a big corporation, it's more likely to
be. Good. You know, so I'm just what Ruby does
and, you know, uh, researching whatever, you
know, you're going to buy is, is a great, it's
a great practice. I feel. Absolutely. I think
there is this is a space for big corporate corporations
to exist. And I'm thinking about situations like,
for example, this micro. This, this being made
on a local level by an artisan is not very practical,
but this. being made here, down the road, by
an artisan? Very possible. Right? Was that shirt
made down the road? It's just a cotton shirt,
yeah. Probably. Yeah, absolutely. There are things
that just can't be made by smaller players. And
you know, we've just got to stick with what it
is. Of course, I think we've just got to stick
with what we have in the world we live in. And
just hope for the best, you know, just keep spreading
love and being forgiving. But then I want to
say as well, like there are things like the lights
behind me. Okay. The LED strips that are going
around that's made by a very big company. Right.
There's no getting around that. It's cheap. But
then the name there, there are quite a few companies
that make that. And that's made. Locally, like
I actually drew that picture and wrote the words
and sent it to them and then they made it for
me and then they send it back. And you can see
if you looked at it, it's hand cut. And I kind
of appreciate that. It didn't go through like
some heavy money. Obviously the parts of it are
made by a big corporation or a factory. But I
think that's different to consumer facing. large
preparations. That's true. Yeah, there are some
things that are just not in our control, like,
you know, like the LED lights and whatnot, like
the microphones that really smaller players can't
get into manufacturing. But definitely, I think
with time, and we are shifting, you know, because
we are revolting as well, we are opening our
eyes, we are awakening. And I think there will
come a time, at least in my reality, in our reality,
that we are heading on to where being in a higher
state of in a higher vibrational state and I
think we can definitely be a part of a better
world as even people are becoming more and more
aware of, you know, it's not good for the earth,
it's not healthy for the earth these practices
and also opening themselves up to the reality
of that they have been placed in a so -called
matrix, you know, isolated, distracted and the
more we start because It's funny, you know, we
live in a world where we have internet and we
are better connected than ever. And we are still
so disconnected and isolated. But I think more
and more as we create communities, not because
of products, but just for each other, the more
we can start shifting, the more, like I said,
the best thing that happened was, you know, first
of all, whatever the society we are living in,
the basis of that was old biology, old physics,
in the old thinking. The old, for example, the
Darwin's theory of evolution, everything is based
on that competition for survival, cutthroat competition,
right? Yeah. But that's not, we are not products
of evolution. Again, we can get into alternate
history. We are not products of evolution. We
are not, as humanity is not made for competition,
we are made to live together in harmony and cooperation.
And the moment we start shifting that model,
everything's going to start changing. Right.
Yeah, that reminds me of just something I came
across maybe a week or two ago to add to your
point Arjun that we are more people are more
egalitarian than We think and it's only when
we have all of this excess that we become Greedy,
so it sounds bad, but we are in our nature greedy
for a survival sense because what they noticed
in like tribal cultures that were egalitarian.
It was so important for everyone to be equal.
So if you were a hunter and you were the best
hunter, the tribe would make sure, you know,
when you're all in the village, everyone's equal.
And then when you go out to hunt, okay, you're
the best hunter, today we're going to let you
hunt. Even if you're the best, it doesn't matter.
We're going to give someone else a turn. And
what they also noticed was that like when those,
if you came across like, If you alone came across
a beehive full of honey, you would gorge yourself
on that honey and eat it all. And that's just
because it was so rare to come by, but it still
would not diminish the kind of egalitarian dynamic
of the tribes. And it's only they discovered,
I guess now relative to today is that because
we can create so much excess that we appear greedier.
It's like some kind of, it's a drive in us from
you know, so long ago. But we are better at actually
being egalitarian. And we know it's practical.
But now, because of the system we're in, we're
opposite that. Because we have to be to survive,
I guess, in the society we're in today, because
it depends on economy. You know, but even in
the economy or the game, it's more like a game,
actually. The moment we realize We shift out
of fear and scarcity and we start addressing
those things within us. We can actually start
shifting away from a lot of those things that
keep us greedy or angry or hungry or whatever
it is, you know. And the more we can start connecting
with other people because also, you know, when
a person is in fear, when the person is anxious,
when the person is going through emotions which
are more dense, lower vibration emotions, we
tend to feel isolated. tend to not feel like
going out and meeting people. It's very natural,
right? You know, you're feeling sad. You wouldn't
feel like going and talking to anyone. Yeah.
And they know what they are doing. These, these
groups of people, these who kind of have control
on most systems of the world, which is now breaking.
They know what the psychology is. They know how
people can be manipulated, how They can keep
things, you know, they can keep the illusion
up, the illusion of that, you know, we are not
in control and we need to, you know, fill the
void within us by purchasing stuff and, you know,
being, being competitive and, and, you know,
serving the ego by saying, I'm the winner. I
am the, I'm the man. I'm the guy. And, you know,
I'm the winner and you are not, you're, you're
a loser and I'm better than you. And those kinds
of things, they don't serve us. And it's not
because inherently we are bad or anything. It's
just that, you know, we are so drenched in trauma
from all the past. You know, remember, energy,
even emotion, trauma, everything is also energy.
And because it cannot, and many times it's so
much, it's so much, especially like in times
when there were like world wars and whatnot,
that one single A person one single consciousness
couldn't contain that form of like heavy trauma
and energy in their field within themselves It
couldn't just contain it. So it got distributed
because remember Beyond this there is timelessness.
So there's no restriction of time, right? There's
no linearity beyond this dimension. So energy
is not limited to the third dimension so any
trauma any strong emotion dense emotions faced
which the body cannot contain it segregates and
segments it and is passed to other generations
as well. And then sometimes we feel triggered
and we feel certain ways and we don't know why.
Because those energies are also contained. And
although it's really relatively easy to begin
to liberate those things, again, just by being
more within ourselves and questioning what we
are feeling, what's happening and not being distracted.
by the illusions that are placed around us all
the time. And we're really waking up to the fact
that, you know, we are in control, we can take
the power back in our hands. We are not a product
of evolution and we are meant to live in harmony.
There's enough for everyone. There's something
really important to realize that we always think
of scarcity and scarcity is a part of fear. But
there's enough for everyone. Scarcity mindset
is poison. So you just cut out there for a minute.
I said the scarcity mindset is just poisonous.
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I think we should wrap it
up. I think we should wrap it up. Arjun, you've
been fantastic. Thank you everybody for tuning
into this. Don't forget to follow Arjun at A
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I don't have... I don't want to share my socials.
I'm not cool enough yet. My socials aren't that
big. Why do you ask me for my socials? You know
that. You can find Luigi anywhere you find Kaleidoscope.
Yeah. That's it. For now. Listen, when my socials
get bigger, I'll be more apt to share. Fine.
I have to do the work. I'm going to stop the
recording. We'll just stay online. We can have
a bit of a chat. Yeah. All right. you