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Tough questions. Honest answers. Oh, the messy

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truth. Your perspectives. Let's begin. Welcome

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to Kaleidoscope. I'm so sad. Now we're back online.

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Hi. Hi. Justin. Hello. Welcome. Thank you. Welcome

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to the fifth episode of Kalareska. It's been

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a long time in the making. It has been a long

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time in the making. Thanks for reaching back

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out to me. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I really

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appreciate it. Tell us about yourself, Justin.

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It's been busy. That's why I want to go back

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to you now. So I've been preoccupied now finding

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a new job. So that has just been achieved. Signing

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the contract and be moving cities. of Suzhou

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where I've been for the last five years where

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he's on the Ningbo Ningbo Ningbo which is apparently

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a very beautiful city as well yeah so yeah I've

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never been there okay I have very very briefly

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is it worth going I'm told it's very nice and

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people like I know quite a few people who work

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in Ningbo The recruiter had said to me, I've

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got to let you know that the school itself is

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quite far out. It's not in downtown. And maybe

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that was supposed to be a deterrent, but that's

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wonderful for me. I'm not too big into city life

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and convenience, which I'll get into later as

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my topic for today. Excellent. Yeah. What's been

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happening? I don't like talking about my personal

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life. No, no, no. No personal life. What do you

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mean what's been happening? What's been happening?

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I'm waiting to do this podcast. For weeks. The

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most anxious. Today I am. I don't know where

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all my stuff is. I lost all my notes. I think

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I know where it is. Yeah, it's been a busy time.

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So I've been looking forward to this as well.

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Got the orchestra to attend this evening, which

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will be really nice. Where's the orchestra? Right

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here in Ginger Lake, the Sujo Mall. yeah i really

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want to go as well yeah in the mall or it's natural

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no no no of course it's a amphitheater that's

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very near very near the mall so it's don't think

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like cultural building the cultures they're in

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moon hard next to boxing oh my god sorry guys

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where i live right it's like another city i gotta

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drive all the way up there i knew that you don't

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go to bangkok like come on i mean If I had a

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car maybe, it's just so much. It takes so long.

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Too much effort. It's every two weeks and it's

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well worth it if you get that relaxation from

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the music and if you're into classical music,

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yeah. Okay. What's been happening in my life?

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I'm looking for new opportunities always. Continuing

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this podcast. Yeah, this is this is the biggest

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opportunity Yeah, I'm thinking about going to

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Thailand and now two months till we see what's

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up there You want to come where I might? I might

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have to Nice. I might not have a choice. You've

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been before never. Oh, I know you could yeah.

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No, it's yeah, it's amazing. Okay We'll go to

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Shanghai and then we'll go back home Well, I

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give Bangkok a wide berth, but as I said, I'm

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not a big city person Take your words for it.

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All right Who's gonna go first today before we

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start before I do this deal who's gonna go first?

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Wait, let me I really want to see I really want

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to check my notes. I think I wrote things down

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I can't find them on my phone. I think I wrote

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them in my my books This is Riverside, isn't

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it cool? Very much so. If you're watching this

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today, welcome to Kaleidoscope. We've started

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using Riverside to record the podcast. It makes

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everything much easier. It includes AI to make

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editing easy. It automatically transcribes everything.

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I think we can translate as well. If you like

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it, if you want to record cool videos, or edit

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long -form videos quickly. In the doobly -doo

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is my link. It would help me out if you get it,

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because I'm going to forget Riverside. So that's

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going to be posted on, you're using that to record,

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right? Riverside, you're going to be posting

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it on your YouTube channel. Yes. But actually,

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Riverside will also be doing all of the clips

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and stuff that go onto TikTok and Instagram.

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And it happens quickly, really quickly. We started

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the first time with Luigi's Flame from the last

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episode. Yeah, it just makes life so easy for

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me. We're looking at like seven to eight hours

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recording all the way down to 20 minutes. Wow,

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that's a lot of time saved. You found it. Super!

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whatever off the cuff we're doing this let's

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go that's the way i rock man i'm so mad at so

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many cool intro thingies all right stored them

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in your yes queen noggin yep want to try hello

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this is the episode or this is the podcast where

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we ask um difficult questions pose interesting

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perspectives and dive into those from everyday

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people from anywhere in the world i'm I'm what

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happens when a spreadsheet happens to think that

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it has feelings, collides with a sci -fi glitch

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and comes out as a queen. Welcome to Kaleidoscope.

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I'm Justin and I'm a meat -coated skeleton hurting

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through time and space. In my spare time, I save

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kittens from trees. basically an all around nice

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guy if you stop that if you stop that I said

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kittens I would believe that but the treatment

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the tree things too much yeah everyone I'm Luigi

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and I have a I don't know how can I stand up

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to this I have a strange fear of public gyms

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and Fendi failed cynicism of other people's statements

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about themselves. Yeah, 100%. Thanks for the

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welcome. Thanks for having us here at RubyRubes.

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Who is going to, who wants to go first today?

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How serious is yours? Yours is pretty serious.

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It's an Excel spreadsheet. I always wanted him.

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You know, I was trying to make my little serious

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start line harder. Well, I don't have anything

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like hard to start with. Let me go. It's the

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idea that simply put in two words, convenience

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kills. So yeah, not too lighthearted either.

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But the idea that especially where we are here

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in China, it's just so easy to get everything.

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delivered to you. It's your lifestyle is made

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super convenient. But if there's ever a breakdown

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in that chain, you know, like we had some time

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ago in 2020 service delivery and food stops,

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everything falls apart. You can say yeah. Yeah,

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when that absolute clusterfuck happened. Yeah,

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everyone was stuck with their finger up there.

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They're proverbial because nobody knows how to

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do anything for themselves. So convenience kills.

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You think COVID made people less capable of things

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because... No, no, no. Just they were shown,

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like if there's that supply chain breakdown,

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everyone goes and buys everything from the supermarket

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or we just at the touch of a button get our coffee

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delivered. When that wasn't able to happen due

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to COVID, it highlighted how we could be stuck

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up shit creek without a paddle. Because we're

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so dependent. Yeah, on delivery. Do you think

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people were not capable of going up to buy coffee

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or, you know, whatever? Yeah, people don't even

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cook anymore. Like you can just go to the supermarket

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now to buy your own food to cook it. And so a

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few people do that, because it's more convenient

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to get delivered to you. Now, I think I don't

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I don't know, I have to disagree. I mean, I agree

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with what you're saying that people don't know

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how to cook, or they don't cook. Now, I would

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say that's very specific to where we are. I think

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about this a lot, too. I just think because everything's

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so affordable, let's say, yeah, China's really

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easy. That's exactly the thing. Maybe cooking

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doesn't happen for us, but I think of back home,

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I think cooking is still a very common routine.

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Maybe young Zoomers get all the... Order out

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stuff to take out stuff. That's pre -made and

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they yeah, they got money to spend baby. Sure

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I've been cooking a lot because it's so terrible

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No before losing weight, but okay, but I've also

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just been enjoying eating a lot more and but

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but I do get my groceries delivered to me sure

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and I rarely go to buy them sometimes I do I

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can say I I cook I would rather cook than order

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out because I just want to know what I'm eating.

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But, uh, yeah, I'm so lazy at half the time.

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I'll just starve. I don't even want to walk down

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the street to buy groceries. That's how lazy

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I become. That's how convenient everything is

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for me. But so, okay, wait, what's your point

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again? That convenience kills. It's just too

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easy to get takeout food. Yeah. What does it

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count? You're sold. Well, yeah, we'll get around

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to that. But also convenience in terms of all

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the pre -made foods, like all of the chemicals

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that are inside foods are super bad for you.

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And of course, people, it takes just that bit

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of effort to go shop for yourself. Even when

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you're shopping, you're not sure what's in your

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ingredients, but you've got to try and shop carefully

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so that you can cook at home. And people are

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like, oh, there's too much effort to go to the

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supermarket. Oh, it's too much effort to cook.

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So you're just people becoming more lazy. by

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consuming all this pre -made food and while you're

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losing the skills of cooking. I mean, some people

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may not know how to cook in a little generations

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time. So you're saying it's killing society?

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Yeah, if you take it down to people giving their

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kid an iPhone or a tablet to entertain them because

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it's more convenient for the device to entertain

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your child. then you're even losing that family

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dynamic. So, yeah, it bleeds into everything.

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OK, there's a lot going on here. So people are

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losing their ability to cook and family home

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time or whatever. Yeah. Ritual dinner is breaking

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families apart because no one's having dinner

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together and talking to their kids. Making us

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up. So there are two very different things. But

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they result from the same. But we have to we

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have first we have to. systemic. Recognize where

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we are though. Again, I keep coming back to this,

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but you know, we are in China. I don't know,

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do Chinese families sit down and have dinner

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together every day? I used to. I think they do.

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Is it less? But one thing that is true, yeah,

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is cooking has become the purview of the grandma.

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And it's not in China. In China. Yeah. And I

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think that is also true for Thailand from an

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experience there. Okay. And it was not true in

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Western society. And I bring it back to you.

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I used to live in Thailand. You're saying grandmas

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in the West don't cook? No, no, they do. But

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they cook much less for the nuclear family, because

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here in China, they coalesce, they come together

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after children are had. The parents often hand

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those children over to the grandparents and the

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grandma cooks and often the parents will come

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home and they'll eat food that the grandma cooks.

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That's not true for every family. Often it's

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the mom and there's a lot of stay -at -home moms,

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especially in our orbit because we work with

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wealthier families in general. I think for their

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less wealthy families, when both parents are

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working, they either order in, or the grandma

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cooks, or the grandpa, I don't know. Well, I

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would argue that if push came to shove, families

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would manage their time and cook, but this is

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the culture for the grandparents' cassettes.

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They do that. They do the cooking. But I also

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think it's a newer culture. Because I think that

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before, society was more structured in the way

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that the traditional man works, breadwinner,

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woman at home, housewife. And then parent and

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kids come home after school. But now it's changed

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to... Everybody's doing everything until like

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9 p .m. Every night sure and What's happened

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is that grandma is still cooking the meals the

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same way she has for the past four years Fair

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I think we need to focus What but why I I think

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it's focused because the Okay, so are we talking

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specifically about families? No, we're talking

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about how convenience has Convenience was born

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out of necessity in China. I think like everything

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Necessity is the mother of invention. People

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needed more convenient ways to get food because

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they need to be working longer hours and doing

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like why do we have Uber Eats because people

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can't be fucked to go out and buy food. But and

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that's killing society. And one thing that I

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was thinking about this podcast, the other day,

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I said it to someone or I described it as this.

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It's the podcast where. That that calls back

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to the time when people met in bars and had conversations

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that blew their minds and then left. Yeah, yeah.

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And that doesn't happen anymore because of convenience

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and as a result of COVID, like those two things

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together. But I'm still not sure exactly what

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it kills. Exactly, Dan, you're right. Yeah, it's

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still very nebulous. Convenience kills. Sounds

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real cool. Should make a t -shirt. But kills

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what exactly? Convenience is a killer. Yeah,

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I was thinking about it like it's everything

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from like I'd said from from food to the way

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that we meet people is all online, but so we're

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more connected, but we have less to say or we

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feel isolated. That's another point of it. From

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music, for example, you can get in touch with

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any sort of music that you want, but there's

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no genre that defines the entire age anymore.

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So I don't know, as a as an old timey person,

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when I say kills, maybe it's just getting the

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way of life that I'm accustomed to. We're just

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so old, we don't pay attention to what's happening.

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Yeah, youngins, because I think, you know, things

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still, there's still like dynamic things in life,

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like genres of music and sacred stone. But yeah,

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you have to for music, you have to Be quite specific

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how you find that music. It's not delivered to

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you through the radio. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

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that's true. Which I mean, wow. Well, then we

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have the issue. Well, we have just a new medium

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to discover music before was the radio. So it

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was very limited. They're all pushing the same

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agenda. I was it was radio and newspaper and,

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you know, the state control media. Yeah, the

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publishing houses and the big corporates, we

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knew that like 70s was disco and 80s was glam

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metal and 90s was grunge. What era are we in?

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I think those things came out of the era having

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passed and then people being able to look back

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and kind of classify it as like, oh, there was

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a predominance of this kind of music during this

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era. I think that's just a limit of mediums that

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were used. So okay, I think we have, sorry, let

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me, sorry to interject. So, how can I put this?

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Media was limited. We didn't have social media.

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We didn't have the internet per se. And so we

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had radio stations that pumped out music. for

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example, and they were all playing the same thing.

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Why? Because maybe because that's what was available.

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That's what was popular. That's what everyone,

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you know, whoever was in charge of whatever music

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company was trying to push and sell. And so that

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our options were limited in as much as we only

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had very specific things to go to to find that

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stuff. And nowadays with things like, let's say

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YouTube, if you have the drive, you can discover

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new music. It's a lot easier. Whereas, I guess

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the past kids would have to go to the records

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tour. This kind of starts leaning into what I

00:19:24.849 --> 00:19:28.509
want to take them on. Because it's like the social

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bubbling of The algorithm pushing you in a certain

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direction because it's convenient It's killed

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the opportunity to it's it it's killed the need

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to force yourself to look for new thing Is it

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pushing you somewhere? Is it just making suggestions

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based on your preference? It's certainly making

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you maybe lazier the structure of of it Maybe

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it's not put it's not pushing you but it's definitely

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guiding you in a direction. Yeah based on what

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and AI arbitrarily arbitrarily thinks no based

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on what you are choosing and what it is seeing

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you choose exactly and then that's going in and

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then it's going oh this user likes this so increasing

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engagement i would increase engagement by feeding

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them more of this yes they get sucked into slowly

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slowly but surely they get sucked into this bubble

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where everything feels the same. I don't know

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if you ever browse YouTube, but after a while,

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I feel like, fuck, I've been watching the same

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shit for hours. Yeah, because it's what you're

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into. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Instead of going out

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and seeking something yourself with switching

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topics and keeping getting fed this. And I think

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for us, for us, we came from a time where we

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had to fact check and, and figure things out.

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and try new things, but I think for a lot of

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newer, for the kids that we're teaching, maybe

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then they're not doing it. Sure. Maybe. Well,

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I mean, no, definitely. But I also don't want

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to cynical because I don't think that they're

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doing it because... No, we, our kids are fairly

00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:14.140
young and ours is only one place. Like, we can't

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speak for the greater world, so we really don't

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know. I don't want to speak about that either

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because... too much old kitty winkles and just

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a critical thought you know people aren't thinking

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um analytically or critically they're just sort

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of absorbing whatever's being fed to them by

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algorithms by uh apps that deliver your food

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to your door you just it's just that convenience

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and filled no longer makes people have to go

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out and search of something okay what one single

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aspect of society do you think convenience is

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I don't know. I don't think so. If anything,

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because things are so convenient, wouldn't family

00:22:08.730 --> 00:22:10.839
have more time to spend with each other Yeah,

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that's what I don't think. They should, but people

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don't see, I don't see a lot of that. I see people

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working. I see people when they are relaxed,

00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:23.539
they're all in their own worlds. You may be in

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the same room, but you're not really bonding.

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It's the separation. So that is what I mean,

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is that everyone's engaged on their phone. Parents

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see it. Excuse me. Kids see it because the parents

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do it you tell the kid don't don't use your don't

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use your smartphone. Don't look at You know device,

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but the parents are doing it all the time people

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echo what they see. Yeah Yeah, we had a friend

00:22:52.660 --> 00:22:55.680
of ours the other day was Saying he said something

00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:58.700
actually similar to that. He was at the park

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with his family and his kid was Well, he's playing

00:23:01.619 --> 00:23:03.859
with his kit and then all these other strangers

00:23:03.859 --> 00:23:06.160
kids came and played with him and his kid because

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their parents were so disengaged they were just

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all looking at their phones yeah and it really

00:23:10.220 --> 00:23:11.599
frustrated him because he didn't want to play

00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:13.779
with a bunch of strangers kids they're winning

00:23:13.779 --> 00:23:17.079
addiction yeah maybe maybe parents are just burnt

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out maybe parents don't want to have kids and

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they have these kids for whatever reason i think

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too many people are having kids that shouldn't

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be having kids and people that should be having

00:23:24.420 --> 00:23:28.519
kids aren't yeah so but okay let's say we didn't

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have phones what would these parents be doing

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Talking to other parents and then looking at

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their kid and be like, all right, cool. Okay,

00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:36.720
Timmy Yeah, that's nice. The kid would be like,

00:23:36.900 --> 00:23:38.599
ma look at me and they'd be like, uh -huh. I

00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:41.299
still be talking whatever final destination,

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you know, it's just I Think I think these are

00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:51.140
dynamics that have always existed I'm still intrigued

00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:54.440
by the whole convenience kills. I think okay,

00:23:54.819 --> 00:23:59.640
maybe it's dopamine addition. Yes more than convenience

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kill racing dog mean heads you know just uh quick

00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:08.579
fixes yeah doom scrawling yeah i definitely do

00:24:08.579 --> 00:24:11.440
it's a real thing it's a real thing yeah no i

00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.240
know i know i know how much time i waste staring

00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:17.099
at my phone and then you get people like just

00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:21.180
this morning i saw someone posting something

00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:25.400
online saying life is so boring give me a reason

00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:28.920
to continue living Well, I mean, that was before,

00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:30.380
that was before self -punctuation. Stop posting

00:24:30.380 --> 00:24:32.440
shit on this. Go do something else. Go touch

00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:36.819
some grants. I want to hug you. That was my reason.

00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:45.140
It's scary. I think if we're going to go like

00:24:45.140 --> 00:24:50.480
convenience kills, convenience, increase separation

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and stress and lead to higher rates of suicide.

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I would say, yeah. I have no idea. Not scientific,

00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:08.799
not just anecdotal observation. Anecdotal? Okay,

00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:11.259
say it again. Let me think about it. Does the

00:25:11.259 --> 00:25:15.079
fact that, okay, so it's a little bit, the chain

00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:17.200
is a little bit longer. The fact that everybody

00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:20.539
needs to travel to work, especially here in China.

00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:27.119
Increase distance from family and Convenience

00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:30.839
decreases the need and stress for needing to

00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:35.539
like go out and meet new people. So you further

00:25:35.539 --> 00:25:38.519
isolate yourself because you don't need to leave

00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.259
your apartment and you become so isolated that

00:25:41.259 --> 00:25:43.339
you forget how to interact with other people.

00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:46.779
And as a result, you become depressed. And as

00:25:46.779 --> 00:25:56.460
a result, maybe suicide rates increase. I think

00:25:56.460 --> 00:26:00.579
if someone had a tendency, like, if they had

00:26:00.579 --> 00:26:06.059
suicidal tendencies, regardless, it would happen

00:26:06.059 --> 00:26:10.619
irregardless. But I don't think that something,

00:26:10.619 --> 00:26:15.660
you know, makes that happen. Unless those tendencies

00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:19.000
aren't there, if that makes sense. Yeah, but

00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.289
they wouldn't be, you know. exacerbated because

00:26:22.289 --> 00:26:25.569
people would be forced into some sort of situation

00:26:25.569 --> 00:26:29.950
going out mixing with others. I certainly think

00:26:29.950 --> 00:26:33.509
that socializing and moments like this even just

00:26:33.509 --> 00:26:36.029
here three people coming together in a room instead

00:26:36.029 --> 00:26:39.210
of being across the world sure increases like

00:26:39.210 --> 00:26:43.009
there are a sense of community and well -being

00:26:43.009 --> 00:26:48.970
as compared to just switching this off and then

00:26:48.970 --> 00:26:52.470
that you're alone. Imagine if we were just in

00:26:52.470 --> 00:26:58.710
our separate house, yeah, rooms, yeah. I feel

00:26:58.710 --> 00:27:01.450
really, do we just, I feel like I'm just the,

00:27:02.210 --> 00:27:04.910
yeah, yeah. I'm like, what's the problem? What's

00:27:04.910 --> 00:27:07.650
wrong with me alone all day? We used to go up.

00:27:11.390 --> 00:27:15.609
I mean, if. If being alone is a choice, then

00:27:15.609 --> 00:27:19.230
absolutely that's a valid choice. I don't want

00:27:19.230 --> 00:27:22.289
to touch on introversion and extroversion in

00:27:22.289 --> 00:27:26.710
a big way, but I like being alone sometimes.

00:27:26.930 --> 00:27:30.369
However, I recognize that when I'm alone for

00:27:30.369 --> 00:27:33.609
too long and I don't go out and try to meet new

00:27:33.609 --> 00:27:37.210
people, that adrenaline rush for me to go to

00:27:37.210 --> 00:27:41.829
a bar and have a beer and meet someone new is...

00:27:42.379 --> 00:27:46.319
I mean, fucking huge. I loved it. And if I don't

00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:51.519
do that, I become very negative. Sure. Yeah,

00:27:51.539 --> 00:27:53.640
I can see that. I can understand that. Yeah.

00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:56.059
So I think if it's a choice, yeah, definitely

00:27:56.059 --> 00:27:58.240
Val. If it's not a choice and you feel forced

00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:01.460
to stay alone, I guess I need you. Yeah, that's

00:28:01.460 --> 00:28:07.400
true. That's very true. You want to add? No,

00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:14.210
I'm good. Thank you for listening to my... My

00:28:14.210 --> 00:28:21.369
point? So many things happen. We really diverged

00:28:21.369 --> 00:28:24.490
a lot on that one topic, but I think we led into

00:28:24.490 --> 00:28:27.950
like the most one interesting thing that came

00:28:27.950 --> 00:28:30.089
to mind is like, yeah, using technology and then

00:28:30.089 --> 00:28:32.869
the paradox of being connected as we're more

00:28:32.869 --> 00:28:36.150
disconnected. Yeah. So, you know, there are a

00:28:36.150 --> 00:28:40.240
lot of. You know, a lot of people. Touch on the

00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.240
subject one person. I was thinking of in particular.

00:28:42.339 --> 00:28:44.460
She's an academic her name is Sherry Turkle,

00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:50.900
and she's famous for like You know How society

00:28:50.900 --> 00:28:56.380
becomes again more lonely with more Like social

00:28:56.380 --> 00:29:02.900
media So, you know like texting and Whatever

00:29:02.900 --> 00:29:05.799
can give us a sense of like intimacy, but it's

00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:07.559
really like one. It's really one -dimensional

00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:13.220
and it really does lack human interaction. So

00:29:13.220 --> 00:29:16.539
maybe that's why people feel more close with

00:29:16.539 --> 00:29:20.599
their devices. It might be good for me. I think

00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:24.160
that example that I brought in, if we were sitting

00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:28.200
in separate rooms here, the connection that we

00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:32.460
had would be authentic and real and we could

00:29:32.460 --> 00:29:36.869
see body language and stuff. It's also very clinical.

00:29:37.470 --> 00:29:39.470
And once the door shuts, once the connection

00:29:39.470 --> 00:29:45.009
closes, it's like a clean cut. Sure. Yeah. It

00:29:45.009 --> 00:29:47.450
doesn't splice into your life, really. Yeah.

00:29:49.089 --> 00:29:51.230
Yeah. It's just amazing. It doesn't touch your

00:29:51.230 --> 00:29:59.410
face. Was it? Super. Nailed it. How can you say

00:29:59.410 --> 00:30:02.710
that? Lighthearted. You want to ask tough questions?

00:30:02.869 --> 00:30:07.000
Yeah, yeah. Sorry, this topic didn't bring on

00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.099
a conspiracy theorist today Yeah, that was good.

00:30:11.099 --> 00:30:18.299
I want to I want to have a quick breath Do you

00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:20.220
guys want light -hearted or do you want to go

00:30:20.220 --> 00:30:24.599
deep I Think we deep and you didn't you want

00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.740
to take in a different direction? I feel like

00:30:27.740 --> 00:30:30.259
we're gonna be today. Yeah, I also think we're

00:30:30.259 --> 00:30:34.170
not gonna do okay, so I'm gonna start with but

00:30:34.170 --> 00:30:40.369
this one maybe there's just too much shit going

00:30:40.369 --> 00:30:43.650
on in our lives well yeah there's too much bandwidth

00:30:43.650 --> 00:30:46.829
you know too much bandwidth being occupied by

00:30:46.829 --> 00:30:51.450
other shit that's the metaphor bandwidth cheers

00:30:51.450 --> 00:30:55.329
thank you welcome back welcome back to part two

00:30:55.329 --> 00:31:05.900
episode five i'm going I'm gonna, I'm gonna go.

00:31:07.099 --> 00:31:17.299
So I think that a lot of times things happen

00:31:17.299 --> 00:31:22.500
in your life and you have a rage quit moment.

00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:28.400
Yep. Right? That can happen. I want to know what

00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:32.109
the silliest reason is you almost move countries,

00:31:32.369 --> 00:31:39.569
quit your job or dyed your hair blue. Why, why

00:31:39.569 --> 00:31:47.609
did you change things? Yeah, you can tell this

00:31:47.609 --> 00:31:55.569
to him. No way. Oh, dude. It wasn't a rage quit

00:31:55.569 --> 00:32:00.940
for me. Rage quit. Is that a thing? It's what

00:32:00.940 --> 00:32:03.380
Elon Musk does when he's playing computer games

00:32:03.380 --> 00:32:05.599
and people start trolling. Yeah, I know what

00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.400
Rage Quit is. You're asking why I made a big

00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.700
decision in life. I did something reckless without

00:32:11.700 --> 00:32:14.019
thinking. I know what a Rage Quit is, but I don't

00:32:14.019 --> 00:32:16.559
have any Rage Quits examples, but I know I did

00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.039
something like why and when I came to China.

00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:23.980
What really made me go to China finally? The

00:32:23.980 --> 00:32:30.849
moment. I was a pizza delivery man. And I was

00:32:30.849 --> 00:32:36.049
a pizza delivery man for a franchise restaurant.

00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:40.349
And I was having an argument with the waitress

00:32:40.349 --> 00:32:44.289
about the philosopher Kant and masturbation.

00:32:46.170 --> 00:32:49.509
And I kept saying the name Kant, Kant, Kant,

00:32:49.609 --> 00:32:53.470
Kant. This is what I think. And I think the management

00:32:53.470 --> 00:32:55.869
heard that. The management was unaware they had

00:32:55.869 --> 00:32:58.950
hired a man with a graduate degree to be a pizza

00:32:58.950 --> 00:33:01.240
delivery man. But hey, that's the economy at

00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:02.700
the time. Everyone's like, oh, China's going

00:33:02.700 --> 00:33:05.940
to be so bad. It's all like that. Sorry. You

00:33:05.940 --> 00:33:09.900
know, academic pizza delivery man. When worlds

00:33:09.900 --> 00:33:14.740
collide. I got I got walked off the premises

00:33:14.740 --> 00:33:18.259
that day, they said, they said, I said, what's

00:33:18.259 --> 00:33:19.640
wrong? I said, I can't tell you. No, you got

00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:24.539
to go. I walked off and I was like, oh, yeah.

00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:28.799
Wow. And the colleague you were having an argument

00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.759
with, she didn't stand up for you at all? No.

00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:34.359
Because I would have been like, I was like 28.

00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:37.119
Did she know who Colin was? No, I was trying

00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.079
to explain something to her. She was a staunch

00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:42.759
Christian. And I don't know how it came up, but

00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.460
her argument was... You're going to go blind?

00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:50.140
No, it was girls don't do that. And I said, and

00:33:50.140 --> 00:33:52.799
for some reason I said, OK, but then I just had

00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:56.299
a thought. I was just, this is my... My argumentative

00:33:56.299 --> 00:34:00.200
side, I just said, but guys can do it, right?

00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.259
She goes, yeah, that's no problem. And I said,

00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:08.579
wait a minute. It just snowballed. And then I

00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:13.719
had to just try to enlighten her. I was still

00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:15.460
working at the university while doing this job.

00:34:16.219 --> 00:34:19.219
Every day, I was just on, on for lecturing, on

00:34:19.219 --> 00:34:23.400
for teaching. And I had just finished a book.

00:34:23.530 --> 00:34:25.349
about the history of masturbation i think it

00:34:25.349 --> 00:34:29.929
was called like on the hand or with the hand

00:34:29.929 --> 00:34:34.130
even the hands something like that and a big

00:34:34.130 --> 00:34:37.670
part of why in the west masturbation from what

00:34:37.670 --> 00:34:40.590
i remember masturbation is seen as this uh you

00:34:40.590 --> 00:34:45.769
know sin was because con was a philosopher and

00:34:45.769 --> 00:34:51.030
he wanted to make money and a parent he had created

00:34:51.030 --> 00:34:53.750
i could be wrong someone could please tell me

00:34:53.750 --> 00:34:58.050
if I'm wrong somebody um he had created devices

00:34:58.050 --> 00:35:02.969
to curb masturbation and he or rather no no no

00:35:02.969 --> 00:35:08.610
he wanted to publish papers so he somehow got

00:35:08.610 --> 00:35:12.090
in cahoots with other people who said masturbation

00:35:12.090 --> 00:35:19.050
was wrong so that's how he sold papers and by

00:35:19.050 --> 00:35:21.690
papers on academic research, whatever, philosophy,

00:35:21.789 --> 00:35:23.409
whatever. And then the Christian church was like,

00:35:23.409 --> 00:35:25.070
yo, this guy's really famous. You're getting

00:35:25.070 --> 00:35:27.849
really popular. Let's jump on that. Let's join

00:35:27.849 --> 00:35:30.789
the bandwagon. And then masturbation was a bad

00:35:30.789 --> 00:35:35.849
thing. It was a really bad thing. And then so

00:35:35.849 --> 00:35:38.130
that's why it happened. That's why everyone,

00:35:38.250 --> 00:35:42.130
at least in the Western tradition, I guess, everyone

00:35:42.130 --> 00:35:44.329
thinks masturbation is this terrible thing. You're

00:35:44.329 --> 00:35:47.980
telling me that a grown person in this day and

00:35:47.980 --> 00:35:51.619
age is a woman don't masturbate. It's just adamant.

00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:54.260
Hey, this was like more than 10 years ago. So

00:35:54.260 --> 00:35:56.760
it's this day. I don't know. I think zoomers

00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:00.179
are very different. Okay. Generation. Okay. Very

00:36:00.179 --> 00:36:02.340
different. I think this is before this is before

00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:06.059
super wokeness. This is before, you know, George

00:36:06.059 --> 00:36:10.699
Peterson, all that stuff. Wait, is Jordan Peterson

00:36:10.699 --> 00:36:14.500
in your mind considered super well? No, not at

00:36:14.500 --> 00:36:17.260
all, but he's the other center, but what really

00:36:17.260 --> 00:36:22.699
yes, but my point is it became In the in like

00:36:22.699 --> 00:36:26.079
this wokeness became popular. Oh, yeah, and those

00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:29.860
zeitgeist Fair enough in around I think if I

00:36:29.860 --> 00:36:33.960
remember around 2014. So this is an altercation

00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:39.280
Been around 2013. Okay. All right. So when that

00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.219
happened I was just like Walked off and just

00:36:42.219 --> 00:36:44.750
couldn't believe what happened And I called my

00:36:44.750 --> 00:36:49.469
friend. I said, I just got fired. He's like,

00:36:49.469 --> 00:36:52.170
why? And I said, can you come pick me up? I'll

00:36:52.170 --> 00:36:57.889
tell you. Predictable. And then after that, my

00:36:57.889 --> 00:37:00.309
family had sold my child at home. And I was like,

00:37:01.409 --> 00:37:03.849
OK, well, I guess it's time I go to China. That

00:37:03.849 --> 00:37:06.289
was it. I always planned on going to China. But

00:37:06.289 --> 00:37:09.469
I was just always at my university working. And

00:37:09.469 --> 00:37:12.429
I was just, you know. Oh, I gotta work more,

00:37:12.550 --> 00:37:14.750
I gotta get more experience. And that's what

00:37:14.750 --> 00:37:16.869
happened. So I guess that was kind of my ragequity

00:37:16.869 --> 00:37:20.309
moment. That's definitely, that's definitely,

00:37:20.369 --> 00:37:22.530
it's not, it doesn't have to be a ragequit moment,

00:37:22.550 --> 00:37:24.389
but it's definitely a like, fuck this moment.

00:37:24.769 --> 00:37:30.230
Yeah. That's cool. That's a good story, thank

00:37:30.230 --> 00:37:31.929
you. Yeah, it's a very good story. Do we have

00:37:31.929 --> 00:37:42.730
masturbation? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah Can you

00:37:42.730 --> 00:37:45.530
I'm not good with philosophers. Can you just

00:37:45.530 --> 00:37:51.550
give me a brief break? No I'm not a good I'm

00:37:51.550 --> 00:37:53.469
not necessarily good at philosophers. I'm not

00:37:53.469 --> 00:37:56.630
a philosophy student. I know only points and

00:37:56.630 --> 00:38:00.409
bits of them I could tell you that I in popular

00:38:00.409 --> 00:38:04.869
culture Kant is known as a huge racist Okay,

00:38:04.869 --> 00:38:09.150
and he had he has like really I guess I guess

00:38:09.150 --> 00:38:10.949
you could consider them like kind of conservatively

00:38:10.949 --> 00:38:14.309
points like masturbation's wrong. In popular

00:38:14.309 --> 00:38:17.570
culture. In popular culture. He was, he's featured

00:38:17.570 --> 00:38:20.630
a few times on, I haven't watched enough of a

00:38:20.630 --> 00:38:23.250
podcast of her episodes on YouTube, what's her

00:38:23.250 --> 00:38:28.789
name? You sent me this person. Oh, philosophy

00:38:28.789 --> 00:38:32.090
too. Philosophy too. Yeah. But he also like,

00:38:32.170 --> 00:38:33.889
I know him because when I wrote my thesis, I

00:38:33.889 --> 00:38:37.309
had to read a lot of Kant because he wrote about

00:38:37.309 --> 00:38:40.869
like, a judgment in terms of like needing judges

00:38:40.869 --> 00:38:43.309
to critique things and have standards. Okay.

00:38:43.409 --> 00:38:47.590
Or like art. So you know philosophers kind of

00:38:47.590 --> 00:38:49.929
do everything. Yeah. Because they're smart enough

00:38:49.929 --> 00:38:52.789
you know and he's one of the smart ones. Smart

00:38:52.789 --> 00:38:56.110
ones but not woke. But not particularly woke

00:38:56.110 --> 00:38:59.349
no. Yeah okay. But he was he was definitely like

00:38:59.349 --> 00:39:03.289
one of the big guys in the enlightenment. He

00:39:03.289 --> 00:39:08.579
don't need but yeah so and there you go. My story?

00:39:08.739 --> 00:39:13.139
Yeah. What did you read? Um, I was seeing a girl

00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:17.619
that was, um, like myself, quite rambunctious.

00:39:17.619 --> 00:39:21.320
And I had seen her, I had friends in the family

00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:25.619
first. And when I got to know, I was staying

00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:28.480
with, with, with people as her younger sister.

00:39:29.659 --> 00:39:32.940
When we got to liking one another, the family

00:39:32.940 --> 00:39:36.260
was like, Oh, with the two of your bad combination.

00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:38.840
And like anything like that, the more you try

00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.019
to push something apart, head over heels in love.

00:39:44.139 --> 00:39:48.820
In lust, at least. She got a big financial payout

00:39:48.820 --> 00:39:55.559
for a disability that she had, but we just had

00:39:55.559 --> 00:40:00.400
quite a hedonistic... weekend, and I had become

00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.840
fed up with the line of work that I was in, and

00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:05.739
I, like yourself, always had it in my mind to

00:40:05.739 --> 00:40:10.320
go to the East, not necessarily China. And I

00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:14.420
didn't go to work for a week, and obviously that

00:40:14.420 --> 00:40:17.000
ruffled feathers on their side, and I was like,

00:40:17.139 --> 00:40:20.599
yeah, the line has been drawn in the sand, and

00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.539
I'll be leaving soon, and just up and left. You

00:40:23.539 --> 00:40:28.389
decided not to go to work? For a week. It was

00:40:28.389 --> 00:40:33.489
quite a, not a rage quit. No, I didn't. I stayed

00:40:33.489 --> 00:40:36.190
out of it. It didn't show up. So not a proud

00:40:36.190 --> 00:40:39.789
moment at all. Thanks for bringing it up. But

00:40:39.789 --> 00:40:42.530
that was when I was like, yeah, okay. Things

00:40:42.530 --> 00:40:45.230
need to change direction probably for her benefit

00:40:45.230 --> 00:40:49.429
and mine. And now she's super happy and healthy

00:40:49.429 --> 00:40:59.980
and not as much weird. No. Why didn't you go

00:40:59.980 --> 00:41:02.679
to work? It had nothing to do with work. You

00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.659
were just heartbroken. No, we were just having

00:41:05.659 --> 00:41:08.599
a Oh, you were with the girl. Yeah, we were together

00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:10.619
and we didn't go to work. I didn't go to work.

00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:13.500
She wasn't working. We got a big financial payout.

00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:19.900
Like an eat, pray, love kind of thing. Yeah,

00:41:19.940 --> 00:41:22.440
we just road tripped for a while. We just bundled

00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.639
everything into the car and we just went around

00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.420
the South Coast. Wow. So romantic. Super, right?

00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:29.780
I just don't, I still can't, I still don't understand

00:41:29.780 --> 00:41:31.139
why you just wouldn't tell your job. I'm not

00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:33.699
coming back. Yeah, I don't know, just absconded.

00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:38.260
So, um, none of it. So, it is a good word. I

00:41:38.260 --> 00:41:46.039
like it. Um. That's my story. Now I have to tell

00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:51.050
my story and I have no... fucking clue what i've

00:41:51.050 --> 00:42:00.190
raged quit um i remember why i went yeah so this

00:42:00.190 --> 00:42:02.230
is the story well it's not really a stupid reason

00:42:02.230 --> 00:42:05.329
actually before i moved abroad before i went

00:42:05.329 --> 00:42:10.750
to asia yeah i was doing i was working two jobs

00:42:10.750 --> 00:42:16.760
one was as like an online consultant doing SEO

00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:21.639
for websites and web design. And the other one

00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:27.280
was like part -time glass repair for windshield

00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:29.880
chips. So like I had a dentist drill and it would

00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.980
be drilling holes into people's windshields and

00:42:32.980 --> 00:42:35.579
fix it and then claim insurance on that. It was

00:42:35.579 --> 00:42:37.599
pretty good. Wait a minute. It sounds like you're

00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.079
doing something illegal. No, no, no, but with

00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:44.530
consent. So they're trying to get insurance and

00:42:44.530 --> 00:42:45.909
they're getting you to commit a crime so they

00:42:45.909 --> 00:42:47.329
can get insurance? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:42:47.710 --> 00:42:50.510
They come to me with an insurance claim and then

00:42:50.510 --> 00:42:54.690
I execute on the claim. I fix their windshield

00:42:54.690 --> 00:42:57.730
and then claim the money for fixing their windshield.

00:42:58.130 --> 00:43:00.929
But you fixed the windshield. Licensed windshield.

00:43:00.989 --> 00:43:03.090
Oh, I took it as you were damaging the windshield.

00:43:03.590 --> 00:43:05.530
I was like, what? Hey, I need some money. Yeah,

00:43:06.070 --> 00:43:14.710
yeah. Help me set my restaurant on fire. And

00:43:14.710 --> 00:43:23.510
then I was also working part -time for this guy

00:43:23.510 --> 00:43:25.650
that was affiliated with the owner of the glass

00:43:25.650 --> 00:43:27.889
company that I was working part -time for. I

00:43:27.889 --> 00:43:32.809
was writing our marketing pieces and designing

00:43:32.809 --> 00:43:34.849
their website for Australia. I wanted to go to

00:43:34.849 --> 00:43:43.239
Australia for love and Yeah, so I was sitting

00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:51.699
in a meeting with the stupid piece of shit leader

00:43:51.699 --> 00:43:55.280
of SEO who was like four years younger than me

00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:58.500
and was only in that position because he's mommy

00:43:58.500 --> 00:44:01.539
and you own the company and he was about to be

00:44:01.539 --> 00:44:04.019
sent to Australia, which is where I wanted to

00:44:04.019 --> 00:44:08.320
go and then he and I had one of the highest value

00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:11.679
portfolios at that time in the sales team and

00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:13.179
it was like, oh, you're not doing well because

00:44:13.179 --> 00:44:14.679
of this and this and this and you don't know

00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.019
how to do it. So SEO, because this is the strategy

00:44:17.019 --> 00:44:19.159
we're using and you're supposed to be doing that.

00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:22.739
And I just go, this is all arbitrary bullshit.

00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:27.039
Like, it's, it's a theory. And this is how I'm

00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:29.099
doing it. And I have the highest value portfolio.

00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:32.980
And then I walked out of the meeting and I quit

00:44:32.980 --> 00:44:37.219
and I'd been thinking about coming to going to

00:44:37.219 --> 00:44:40.630
Thailand for a while. that company was in Thailand

00:44:40.630 --> 00:44:46.650
with the marketing Australia guy and I phoned

00:44:46.650 --> 00:44:49.269
him. I handed in my resignation. I phoned him.

00:44:49.309 --> 00:44:51.769
I was like, I'm going to Thailand. Are you going

00:44:51.769 --> 00:44:53.429
to give me a job? And he goes, yeah, I'll give

00:44:53.429 --> 00:45:00.269
you a job. And then I walked up, quit the glass

00:45:00.269 --> 00:45:04.590
company thing as well. And two weeks later, I

00:45:04.590 --> 00:45:07.139
was on a plane to Thailand. In which year? If

00:45:07.139 --> 00:45:10.780
you don't want 2012 and 12 and your year that

00:45:10.780 --> 00:45:15.519
2014 and 14 in the after in 2018. So there's

00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:18.639
four years right before COVID. Oh, yeah. Well,

00:45:19.059 --> 00:45:21.480
any state would have screwed you up. Okay, I'm

00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:25.260
not done. So then I go to Thailand. Yeah, I start

00:45:25.260 --> 00:45:27.820
working for this guy more and he's supposed to

00:45:27.820 --> 00:45:31.679
pay me. Oh, but he hasn't paid me. And I'm also

00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.960
like, I need a visa. Yeah, I'm here on a tourist

00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.420
visa right now. I've got two months. And he's

00:45:37.420 --> 00:45:39.480
like, I'm working on it, I'm working, always

00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:43.960
just working on it. So I'm like, okay, fuck,

00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:47.260
I have a problem. I need to start teaching. I

00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:49.119
need to start doing something to earn money.

00:45:49.579 --> 00:45:52.119
Easiest way to do that, teach. So I get a tennis

00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:57.840
shirt and start teaching in this shitty vocational

00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:01.590
college where... Thai couturiers are following

00:46:01.590 --> 00:46:06.630
me home and it's just not appropriate at all.

00:46:07.929 --> 00:46:11.690
They're over 18 but they want to do things that

00:46:11.690 --> 00:46:16.369
they want to do to a teacher. So I quit there

00:46:16.369 --> 00:46:19.469
because of that and then go teach at this teffa

00:46:19.469 --> 00:46:26.500
company and then I shut down the... website,

00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.119
the Australian website for this multinational

00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.599
OEM manufacturer for Toyota. Okay. It's the company

00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:35.440
that I was talking about. Right. It's a motor

00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.780
manufacturing. What's OEM? Original Equipment

00:46:39.780 --> 00:46:41.760
Manufacturing. Okay. So they're a factory in

00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.019
Thailand that make original parts for Toyota.

00:46:44.380 --> 00:46:47.320
Okay. And they were moving into Australia and

00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:50.380
selling like the cabs for the pickup trucks,

00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:54.320
the canopy. Right. Really nice ones and I shut

00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.480
down their website. It was like paying up or

00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:59.860
I will not switch it back on oh And then they

00:46:59.860 --> 00:47:02.719
paid me and then I switched it all on and that's

00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:06.539
it Those were about like my quits into teaching

00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:11.099
Yeah, it sounds like a movie. Mm -hmm where the

00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:14.159
the protagonist, you know gets away with something

00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:19.000
that sounds Almost illegal like extortion. I'm

00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:20.420
don't give me my money or else. I'm not gonna

00:47:20.420 --> 00:47:23.980
turn the website back on Jesus, they had to pay

00:47:23.980 --> 00:47:27.280
me. I had been arguing for three months. I'm

00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:29.000
giving you something that you haven't paid for.

00:47:31.099 --> 00:47:33.840
I know what your first job was like when you

00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:36.099
arrived, but as I started off saying in the beginning

00:47:36.099 --> 00:47:38.500
of this conversation, that I got a new job and

00:47:38.500 --> 00:47:41.420
I needed to provide references. I've been at

00:47:41.420 --> 00:47:43.860
the same institution for the last five years.

00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:47.420
Prior to that, when I arrived in 2018, the person

00:47:47.420 --> 00:47:50.739
that I worked for for a year, in COVID strike

00:47:50.739 --> 00:47:53.280
that month, it was like, oh, we can't, we're

00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:55.280
shutting down and we can't pay any of the employees

00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:59.679
any money. Yeah. So I deleted their, their, their

00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:02.260
details, obviously. And now all these years later,

00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:04.639
got asked for the, um, for the reference. And

00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.619
I was like, what does this person's word mean

00:48:07.619 --> 00:48:10.659
anyway? Anyway, I was able to provide our tech

00:48:10.659 --> 00:48:13.179
details. But strange how something like that

00:48:13.179 --> 00:48:17.690
could nearly upset. But if it's shut down and

00:48:17.690 --> 00:48:20.510
it doesn't exist, how does it go? I think it's

00:48:20.510 --> 00:48:22.570
just an HR tick list. You know, they need to

00:48:22.570 --> 00:48:24.730
say, oh, there was a reference available. There

00:48:24.730 --> 00:48:27.070
is a human, even though that person. Did you

00:48:27.070 --> 00:48:28.730
get a release letter? I did. Oh, that should

00:48:28.730 --> 00:48:31.550
count. Yeah, it should, right? I just really,

00:48:31.909 --> 00:48:33.969
by the way, they have to give you, I don't want

00:48:33.969 --> 00:48:39.190
to talk about that. I really hate this thing

00:48:39.190 --> 00:48:42.719
like provider records. Look at my CV. And especially

00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.380
for an expat working here, there's very little

00:48:46.380 --> 00:48:50.320
value in fudging your work experience if you've

00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:53.000
been living in a country for x amount of years.

00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.219
Yeah, I would agree. I mean, pretty good grift

00:48:55.219 --> 00:48:58.699
if you manage to create that out of nothing.

00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:01.659
Yeah, exactly. But I think it's just the culture.

00:49:01.739 --> 00:49:03.860
Everyone needs references. It's very, it's very,

00:49:03.860 --> 00:49:06.179
police very heavily, which is, you know, it's

00:49:06.179 --> 00:49:12.050
good. It annoys me. That's me. I think that was...

00:49:12.050 --> 00:49:18.789
I brought the light into the heart. You definitely

00:49:18.789 --> 00:49:22.530
had a more interesting first stint in Asia, I

00:49:22.530 --> 00:49:28.050
think. No kids are following me home. Do I? It

00:49:28.050 --> 00:49:32.730
was so weird. Getting to your apartment and looking

00:49:32.730 --> 00:49:34.969
back and like four of your students are like...

00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:39.239
Hiding behind trees? Yeah, like literally not

00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:43.079
trees but walls. Yeah. And yeah, I remember I

00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:47.219
was pretty down at that time because of the job

00:49:47.219 --> 00:49:51.840
being lost. And I remember over Christmas, it's

00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:55.320
like a three -week holiday. Wow. In time. Nice.

00:49:56.119 --> 00:49:59.000
Different, they have a four -term system and

00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.579
a two -semester system. Okay. There's value in

00:50:01.579 --> 00:50:04.260
that. Yes, I agree. It's feeling good for me.

00:50:04.929 --> 00:50:10.349
It's feeling attractive. I was watching Downton

00:50:10.349 --> 00:50:14.730
Abbey. Just like, dreaming of beers. Downton

00:50:14.730 --> 00:50:17.610
Abbey. Oh, during that time? Yeah, during that

00:50:17.610 --> 00:50:20.869
time. What a strange thing to watch. I think

00:50:20.869 --> 00:50:24.150
there were times where I just, I like self -COVID

00:50:24.150 --> 00:50:25.789
-ed myself. You know what I watched? You know

00:50:25.789 --> 00:50:27.389
what I watched when I was - Just because it's

00:50:27.389 --> 00:50:30.090
a company, right? I just quarantined myself.

00:50:30.750 --> 00:50:32.670
Not during, that wasn't during COVID, was it?

00:50:32.809 --> 00:50:34.570
No, no, no, no. That was just like, you were,

00:50:34.570 --> 00:50:38.110
yeah, just like, down in the dumps. Yeah, down

00:50:38.110 --> 00:50:42.010
to the abbeys. You know, I have tons, I have

00:50:42.010 --> 00:50:45.449
tons of examples of that for myself. One, you

00:50:45.449 --> 00:50:47.110
know what I watched when I was like down at one

00:50:47.110 --> 00:50:49.769
point. I don't know if I should be proud of this

00:50:49.769 --> 00:50:53.920
or ashamed, but Riverdale. River. You guys ever

00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:58.260
heard of that show? Riverdale? What's the app

00:50:58.260 --> 00:51:00.900
that you use? Riverside. You know the Archie

00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:02.659
comics? Listen, this is going to sound really

00:51:02.659 --> 00:51:04.460
strange having this conversation with you two.

00:51:05.579 --> 00:51:09.480
Yeah, I know Archie comics. Jughead and Veronica.

00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:15.000
Riverdale was the edgy show that created from

00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:20.659
the Archie comics. Teenagers. I remember Archie.

00:51:21.370 --> 00:51:24.670
So I watched binge watching that like it was

00:51:24.670 --> 00:51:29.170
nobody's business. See, we all watch terrible.

00:51:32.110 --> 00:51:37.190
I don't know. Ready for watching things just

00:51:37.190 --> 00:51:42.019
out of loneliness and company Harry Potter. So

00:51:42.019 --> 00:51:46.219
yeah, I just love having that in the background.

00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:48.760
I kind of grew up with it and it's just that

00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:50.960
escapism. What's your feeling about JK right

00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:55.039
now? I don't have anything. Super thankful for

00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:59.960
that. She's becoming vocally and cleaning people

00:51:59.960 --> 00:52:04.460
like me. Okay. Yeah. Turf. She's a turf. And

00:52:04.460 --> 00:52:06.980
she's very upset that somebody like in the show

00:52:06.980 --> 00:52:12.840
they cast a black person. A snake, I think. Is

00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.980
there a Harry Potter snow? A show? Harry Potter

00:52:15.980 --> 00:52:18.159
snow? Harry Potter snow. That's a new drug on

00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:21.519
the market. Is there a Harry Potter she got?

00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.139
The magician of this reality. Harry Potter snow.

00:52:25.739 --> 00:52:28.780
So they've put a black person in a snake? I don't

00:52:28.780 --> 00:52:32.079
know. I just heard about this yesterday. Now

00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:34.099
the straight people and the conservatives are

00:52:34.099 --> 00:52:36.039
upset with her too, which makes me happy. We

00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:37.659
still haven't answered my question though. Oh

00:52:37.659 --> 00:52:42.139
yeah? Is there a Harry Potter? Show it's coming.

00:52:42.219 --> 00:52:46.059
It's coming. Okay Well, I'm not that evident

00:52:46.059 --> 00:52:48.699
watch that I'm gonna go to following up. I like

00:52:48.699 --> 00:52:51.920
the escapism of the films So it's cool. Yeah,

00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:53.760
they're watching black books at the moment black

00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:59.579
books all British. I know How many times do you

00:52:59.579 --> 00:53:04.300
think you've watched Harry Potter Too many times

00:53:04.300 --> 00:53:07.579
more than I'd care to admit hours and hours,

00:53:07.579 --> 00:53:10.929
I mean Even if it's just on the background and

00:53:10.929 --> 00:53:15.389
I'm cooking or I'll be playing guitar or something,

00:53:15.389 --> 00:53:18.550
maybe I'll mute it, but it's there. I think in

00:53:18.550 --> 00:53:20.949
the way like maybe radio used to be, like radio

00:53:20.949 --> 00:53:23.349
is a companion because I live alone, have done

00:53:23.349 --> 00:53:26.889
for most of my life. It's on instead of the radio.

00:53:27.409 --> 00:53:29.750
That's what I do. I put podcasts on. Podcasts

00:53:29.750 --> 00:53:32.730
that I really care about. I listen to someone

00:53:32.730 --> 00:53:36.650
live streaming. And you do that too. I do that

00:53:36.650 --> 00:53:39.289
too. I think everybody knows that. Maybe that

00:53:39.289 --> 00:53:41.829
kind of brings us back to our original topic

00:53:41.829 --> 00:53:47.269
of loneliness. Technology. Can't just be alone

00:53:47.269 --> 00:53:49.869
and sit with our friends. I dare you to try and

00:53:49.869 --> 00:53:52.289
just clean and not listen to stuff. You can't

00:53:52.289 --> 00:53:56.849
do it. Have you tried TRE? Do you know what TRE

00:53:56.849 --> 00:54:01.170
is? A new drug. We don't get it. Combine that

00:54:01.170 --> 00:54:07.489
with Harry Potter. No. Sounds amazing. So TRE

00:54:07.489 --> 00:54:11.429
is a type of meditation that is meant to access

00:54:11.429 --> 00:54:16.150
your nervous system. It's called trauma and stress

00:54:16.150 --> 00:54:21.010
release exercises. Okay. And basically you, you

00:54:21.010 --> 00:54:23.809
know, when you have that like lactic burn in

00:54:23.809 --> 00:54:27.500
your muscles. um after leg day and your leg like

00:54:27.500 --> 00:54:30.300
shakes on its own volition yeah you activate

00:54:30.300 --> 00:54:33.159
that response on purpose and you let it play

00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:39.820
out nearby okay and it's like i've done it a

00:54:39.820 --> 00:54:43.059
few times it's uh it's amazing i don't think

00:54:43.059 --> 00:54:45.239
i have the skill to even move no it's good so

00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:50.150
that you're you're uh you're able to channel

00:54:50.150 --> 00:54:52.949
and activate that yourself. That's a great exercise

00:54:52.949 --> 00:54:56.949
too. Yeah, but it's not conscious. It's subconscious.

00:54:57.429 --> 00:54:59.769
You're lying on a yoga mat to activate this and

00:54:59.769 --> 00:55:03.570
you let allow your release. I can be just mine

00:55:03.570 --> 00:55:05.969
from your muscles. Okay, so you don't control

00:55:05.969 --> 00:55:07.929
them and your body just shakes and the shake

00:55:07.929 --> 00:55:10.309
moves every time. How do you do that? Yeah, that's

00:55:10.309 --> 00:55:12.449
what I'm saying. Like surely you should have

00:55:12.449 --> 00:55:15.150
that connection from your mind. You're from your

00:55:15.150 --> 00:55:17.809
brain to that muscle to that nerve to activate.

00:55:18.010 --> 00:55:20.530
I know what I just lie down. I'm going to sleep.

00:55:20.670 --> 00:55:23.429
No, no, no, no, no. You have to you do some exercises

00:55:23.429 --> 00:55:26.519
that allow you to That allow for their response

00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:28.099
to start happening because it's a subconscious

00:55:28.099 --> 00:55:30.659
response if there's a bomb that goes off right

00:55:30.659 --> 00:55:33.000
next to you If somebody shoots a gun, you're

00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:35.219
gonna you're gonna shake. Yeah Wow, right? Yeah

00:55:35.219 --> 00:55:37.579
that response that's being activated outside

00:55:37.579 --> 00:55:43.179
of its state of trauma Okay, so, okay, so I would

00:55:43.179 --> 00:55:45.659
have to do like a hundred squats to feel the

00:55:45.659 --> 00:55:50.480
burn and then I gotta sit like 20 and then you

00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:54.440
don't need to do that many and then there's a

00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.920
that you kind of keep them tight when you're

00:55:56.920 --> 00:55:59.599
on the yoga mat and you do some like there are

00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.880
a couple of different exercises you can do there

00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:06.079
of course it's on on two person e re theory okay

00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.920
it's a thing folks it's a thing it's a thing

00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:11.320
that i've done with my therapist it makes me

00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:14.760
feel amazing yeah makes me feel really happy

00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:18.239
it makes sense to me as well because when you

00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:20.539
have trauma your body releases that trauma through

00:56:20.539 --> 00:56:23.630
the shit right Well, it's fight or flight, isn't

00:56:23.630 --> 00:56:25.550
it? It's like a permanent being released into

00:56:25.550 --> 00:56:28.949
your muscles to use it. Activating that and allowing

00:56:28.949 --> 00:56:31.530
it to run out. Because a lot of times we've been

00:56:31.530 --> 00:56:33.630
taught in our modern life just to repress it,

00:56:33.730 --> 00:56:36.630
keep control, stay control. Yeah, that's awful

00:56:36.630 --> 00:56:41.369
advice. Go and get rid of stress at the gym or

00:56:41.369 --> 00:56:44.309
run or do something to let it out. Don't turn

00:56:44.309 --> 00:56:47.909
eyes. Well, I personally rather just go to the

00:56:47.909 --> 00:56:52.010
gym, but at least it's a and available. I wouldn't

00:56:52.010 --> 00:56:55.150
because I'm afraid of the gym. You were sincere

00:56:55.150 --> 00:56:57.690
about it. I can be here with you. No, gyms just

00:56:57.690 --> 00:56:59.150
make me uncomfortable. I just don't... Oh, you

00:56:59.150 --> 00:57:01.409
mean not go to the gym? Self -conscious for the

00:57:01.409 --> 00:57:07.030
gym. Oh. But I do go. So it's not a germaphobe

00:57:07.030 --> 00:57:08.550
thing where there's a lot of... That followed

00:57:08.550 --> 00:57:12.980
me too. Okay, sure. I wish... No, but no I can

00:57:12.980 --> 00:57:15.599
it's not I'll it'll bother me it bothered me

00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:18.440
like it bothers everybody But not in that huge

00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:21.460
level not in the way that I can't I it's more

00:57:21.460 --> 00:57:24.960
of a self -conscious that I go I Do I get worried

00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:29.239
about touching? Sweatiness we're a thousand sweaty.

00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:34.199
Yeah. Yeah, right. I literally take alcohol spray

00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:36.400
and that's what I think I want to do like bring

00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:38.420
a little spray bottle with me which sounds really

00:57:40.059 --> 00:57:43.119
I draw a keen my hands off but you always risk

00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:49.780
touching a face or something Yeah, yeah I love

00:57:49.780 --> 00:57:52.719
I covet the gyms that have Signs everywhere.

00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:54.699
Let's say like please clean the equipment and

00:57:54.699 --> 00:57:57.239
they brought it give you towels They have wet

00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:58.920
wipes tea from the dispenser. Everyone thinks

00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:01.739
this where you feel dirtier than everybody. This

00:58:01.739 --> 00:58:06.420
is Oh, well, I mean they exist I rue the day.

00:58:06.420 --> 00:58:09.559
I know where they are I'm right here, I know

00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:13.300
where they are, and I've been. So that's the

00:58:13.300 --> 00:58:15.619
dream. I keep telling Remy to open a gym and

00:58:15.619 --> 00:58:18.400
make it like that. I want it, but now I need

00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:21.739
money. I'll do it. Partners, partners sponsor.

00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:24.800
Cleanest gym ever. Who wants to sponsor opening

00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:28.340
a gym? I'll do it. Because then it means I get

00:58:28.340 --> 00:58:32.559
to go. I have an expert. Oh yeah, you do? He's

00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:35.480
in Wishi right now. She's visiting a really,

00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:37.900
really cool gym. that has all of that stuff.

00:58:37.940 --> 00:58:40.739
And it's like a proper powerlifting gym. Got

00:58:40.739 --> 00:58:43.679
seven powerlifting, like professional powerlifting

00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:45.719
stations that you can squat bench and deadlift

00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:49.260
at. The photos I saw of her doing her powerlifting,

00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:52.539
the weights of these black really thin discs.

00:58:52.940 --> 00:58:56.760
So it looks super clean. Heavy chunks of whatever

00:58:56.760 --> 00:59:00.280
weights that are. The black ones. Super shiny.

00:59:00.940 --> 00:59:05.099
Red plates, red, green, yellow. So they each

00:59:05.099 --> 00:59:09.250
color. denote a weight and it's the same the

00:59:09.250 --> 00:59:13.550
same denote the notation is that correct i don't

00:59:13.550 --> 00:59:16.269
know have we looked up what what do you know

00:59:16.269 --> 00:59:20.969
what's it called yeah denotation denotation yeah

00:59:20.969 --> 00:59:25.010
there we go uh the olympic plates oh i i imagine

00:59:25.010 --> 00:59:31.130
i was i had no idea there was weight color coordination

00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:40.920
weight this heavy. Yeah, so this is how the bar

00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:45.579
the bar is for in weightlifting like the Olympic

00:59:45.579 --> 00:59:49.159
where they lifted about. Yeah. For women that

00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.280
bar is 15 for minutes 20. Really? As heavy as

00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.579
that? I thought it was maybe just 10. No, the

00:59:54.579 --> 00:59:58.380
bar itself is 20 kilograms. As a standard, you

00:59:58.380 --> 01:00:01.159
can assume that any bar is 20 kilograms. Okay,

01:00:01.260 --> 01:00:04.019
then you sometimes you'll see the big caps on

01:00:04.019 --> 01:00:06.900
the outside. Yeah, those caps are each two and

01:00:06.900 --> 01:00:10.760
a half kilograms Sure. Okay, and then that's

01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:14.980
exact. The red plates are 25 The blues are 20.

01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:21.280
The yellows are 15 the As there's readings Are

01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:25.320
10 and then small reds are five. So is every

01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:28.579
bar always 20 pounds? No 20 kilograms. These

01:00:28.579 --> 01:00:33.730
are three kilograms It's either, no, unless it's,

01:00:33.730 --> 01:00:38.449
it should be marked. If it's not, at the end

01:00:38.449 --> 01:00:41.929
of a chapter. In my brain, I just don't, I don't

01:00:41.929 --> 01:00:44.449
think, I don't acknowledge the bar has weight.

01:00:44.610 --> 01:00:46.750
I'm like, does it count? No. No, it does. It's

01:00:46.750 --> 01:00:50.030
20 KB. It's because you're from so close to the

01:00:50.030 --> 01:00:52.429
States. You guys don't use measurements. So it's,

01:00:52.429 --> 01:00:54.730
how can I put it? It's the, it's the weight of

01:00:54.730 --> 01:00:57.889
like half of a washing machine. It's pretty light

01:00:57.889 --> 01:01:01.239
washing. Yeah, it is. I don't know what other

01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:03.300
measurements people from the States use, but

01:01:03.300 --> 01:01:06.039
it's never metric. No, no, okay. When I go to

01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:10.340
the gym, it depends. Some it's kilograms, some

01:01:10.340 --> 01:01:14.039
it's pounds. Yeah. So the bar, if there's a bar,

01:01:14.260 --> 01:01:16.380
if it's a standard, obviously you get non -standard.

01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:18.219
So I just have to look at the end of the bar

01:01:18.219 --> 01:01:20.760
and it'll say - Like there should be a cap on

01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:24.500
there. There should be 20. Otherwise you can

01:01:24.500 --> 01:01:28.719
assume that it's 20. And so if the bar is shorter.

01:01:28.900 --> 01:01:33.469
Yeah. It might be a seven, but I think seven

01:01:33.469 --> 01:01:37.849
is the lowest for like a standard sized free

01:01:37.849 --> 01:01:41.730
weight. Interesting. You got a profession for

01:01:41.730 --> 01:01:43.570
your start up your gym. Favorite exercise in

01:01:43.570 --> 01:01:48.030
the gym? Cable flies. Cable flies, interesting.

01:01:48.809 --> 01:01:51.230
Yeah, because I need to work on my chesticles

01:01:51.230 --> 01:01:56.030
there a bit. The push -ups? Yeah, sure. Oh, my

01:01:56.030 --> 01:02:05.380
favorite? Pull -ups? Okay. Or biceps? Too big

01:02:05.380 --> 01:02:07.579
for that. How many pull -ups? How many can I

01:02:07.579 --> 01:02:14.579
do? I'd say I can do 20. Well, that's good. But

01:02:14.579 --> 01:02:17.340
I'm tiny. For me, it's a lot to lift. It's a

01:02:17.340 --> 01:02:21.420
bad girl machine. Oh. Doctors hip abducting.

01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:26.039
Yeah, I know that. Hip throws, squats, dirt lifts.

01:02:26.380 --> 01:02:28.039
That's what I like to do. I don't do pull -ups.

01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:34.699
I'm 97 earth kilograms. That's, uh, yeah. Yeah.

01:02:34.699 --> 01:02:37.179
Well, that's even all the more, the heavier you

01:02:37.179 --> 01:02:40.980
are, the more reason to do it. Cause you'll get

01:02:40.980 --> 01:02:45.480
stronger when you're so light diminishing return.

01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:49.039
Do you do the like calisthenics workouts at home?

01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:52.119
I do. Yeah. Okay. I got a bar in the bathroom.

01:02:52.260 --> 01:02:55.300
Cause it's the only place where I have like solid

01:02:55.300 --> 01:02:59.480
walls. So it can stay. And then I have weights.

01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:02.340
in my laundry room. I'd seen a few weights there.

01:03:02.579 --> 01:03:04.760
So it's limited what I can do. Well, I mean,

01:03:04.860 --> 01:03:06.440
with a bit of imagination and the willpower,

01:03:06.619 --> 01:03:09.719
you can do a lot of exercise. It really is like

01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:12.239
you have to outlast yourself and that's what

01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:14.480
sucks. Like you go to a gym, you can just put

01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:19.170
on heavier weights. So it's a lot more. It's

01:03:19.170 --> 01:03:21.409
not, it's not so discouraging. Like the more

01:03:21.409 --> 01:03:23.550
reps you have to do, if you have a limited weight,

01:03:23.630 --> 01:03:26.070
you guys do more reps. So it's like true willpower.

01:03:26.590 --> 01:03:28.909
I enjoy the comradery of Jim. I have to go there

01:03:28.909 --> 01:03:30.949
and talk crap the entire time, but it's nice

01:03:30.949 --> 01:03:33.469
to have some company. No, I like it too. When

01:03:33.469 --> 01:03:36.030
I was back home last year and I got a gym membership

01:03:36.030 --> 01:03:37.949
at a random gym, I was just a stranger. But when

01:03:37.949 --> 01:03:39.829
like a person approached me and said, can you

01:03:39.829 --> 01:03:43.090
help me spot? I was really like, oh my god, me?

01:03:44.369 --> 01:03:47.250
Really? I don't know the willpower to do that

01:03:47.250 --> 01:03:50.530
stuff at home. I remember during lockdown and

01:03:50.530 --> 01:03:52.969
I was alone in my apartment for six weeks in

01:03:52.969 --> 01:03:55.110
the old city. I was like, I'm going to be super

01:03:55.110 --> 01:03:56.829
fit. I'm going to do all this stuff. And one

01:03:56.829 --> 01:03:58.630
day, yeah, I'd be running up and down the stairs

01:03:58.630 --> 01:04:01.869
and do pushups. And the next day, 12 o 'clock,

01:04:01.989 --> 01:04:04.309
midday, passed out drunk from vodka. You know

01:04:04.309 --> 01:04:08.929
what I mean? Just like this weird spiral. And

01:04:08.929 --> 01:04:11.510
then the next day, back on the fitness. And then,

01:04:11.510 --> 01:04:15.559
you know, go like that for a while. Sure. What's

01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:21.059
your PR, Smita? PR? Yeah. Personal Records firm,

01:04:21.300 --> 01:04:23.960
Squat Bencher. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man.

01:04:23.980 --> 01:04:27.739
I don't know. For squats? For me, I feel like

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I can just keep going for squats. Again, I'm

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really light, so I can just keep doing squats.

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Without weights. Not a lot. 70 kilograms? Okay.

01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:39.699
Because I have not dedicated enough of my life

01:04:39.699 --> 01:04:42.659
to weights. I'm all about the glamour. Most of

01:04:42.659 --> 01:04:47.949
it's terrible. Benching? Now only 70. I do just

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10 reps of that. 10, 11, 12. It's not incredibly

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heavy at the moment. That's stronger than most

01:04:55.389 --> 01:04:58.909
people. Is it? Okay. I'm gonna bench and see.

01:04:58.929 --> 01:05:00.829
I gotta find out. Now I'm really curious. That

01:05:00.829 --> 01:05:02.909
seems to be like the standard that everyone measures

01:05:02.909 --> 01:05:08.449
by those, like benching or... ASPD, that's the

01:05:08.449 --> 01:05:11.059
thing. Squat Bench to Dist. Deadlift, that's

01:05:11.059 --> 01:05:13.320
it. But I don't deadlift because bad back and

01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:15.599
I'm scared I'm gonna mess it up again. So it

01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.800
takes really good form, which I don't have yet.

01:05:18.139 --> 01:05:21.059
Yeah, right. Yeah, it does. People think deadlift

01:05:21.059 --> 01:05:23.780
isn't technical, it's experience. It is, right?

01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:28.679
Yeah. I'm also afraid of doing that stuff. What's

01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:33.460
your... Four? You want to go? Okay, best for

01:05:33.460 --> 01:05:36.840
what? No, I mean, do you want to do your perspective

01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:40.679
here? Oh man, my perspective was... We talked

01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:48.880
about it. It was the paradox of loneliness. The

01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:51.760
paradox of learning. Sorry, with social media.

01:05:52.179 --> 01:05:54.039
The more we're connected, the more we're lonely.

01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:57.400
I got other topics. You guys want to talk about

01:05:57.400 --> 01:05:59.619
kids without reading? Yo, kids can't read. Why

01:05:59.619 --> 01:06:03.550
don't kids read more? Kids are reading less.

01:06:04.230 --> 01:06:08.349
Yeah. All this dopamine hit from, you got a three

01:06:08.349 --> 01:06:11.750
second, a three millisecond. Okay, let's do it.

01:06:11.949 --> 01:06:14.730
I was kind of into the gym talk, but... Okay,

01:06:14.829 --> 01:06:17.230
let's continue with the gym talk. Okay, how about

01:06:17.230 --> 01:06:19.949
this? I didn't tell you what my PR is like. PRs

01:06:19.949 --> 01:06:22.389
for what? Okay, let's... Nah, I'm curious, what

01:06:22.389 --> 01:06:23.849
are your personal... I know you have personal

01:06:23.849 --> 01:06:27.489
bests, because you do... One of your hobbies,

01:06:28.230 --> 01:06:33.800
from knowing you, I think, is just like... the

01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:38.099
competitive nature of like, lifting. Not me specifically,

01:06:38.500 --> 01:06:40.900
but my partner. Yeah, but so like, it's a vocation

01:06:40.900 --> 01:06:43.159
of yours. Like, that's why you exercise. Yes,

01:06:43.179 --> 01:06:45.079
to get into shape, but there's also the dynamic

01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:48.000
of your best. She's a professional athlete. Yeah.

01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:54.219
So for me, when it comes to exercise, I know

01:06:54.219 --> 01:06:57.500
it's for health, but actually, I'm very, it's

01:06:57.500 --> 01:06:59.980
very Lester Berman of me. I just want to look

01:06:59.980 --> 01:07:04.369
good naked. But when I'm totally demotivated,

01:07:04.369 --> 01:07:05.750
I don't think I look good naked, but when I'm

01:07:05.750 --> 01:07:08.610
totally demotivated, I do have to remind myself,

01:07:10.050 --> 01:07:12.510
do it for your health. And that makes me do it

01:07:12.510 --> 01:07:13.929
even if it's not good. It's kind of like brushing

01:07:13.929 --> 01:07:16.289
teeth. You gotta brush your teeth. People brush

01:07:16.289 --> 01:07:19.750
their teeth and they hate doing it. And the good

01:07:19.750 --> 01:07:23.050
thing about working out at home is you don't

01:07:23.050 --> 01:07:25.530
have to go to the gym. So you can do a bad job,

01:07:25.530 --> 01:07:31.090
but at least you're willing to exercise. Back

01:07:31.090 --> 01:07:34.730
to you. Yeah, my heaviest squat ever. I can't

01:07:34.730 --> 01:07:36.929
do anymore. Where's a hundred and fifty kilograms?

01:07:39.329 --> 01:07:43.429
Something pounds. Yeah. But now it's down to

01:07:43.429 --> 01:07:46.030
like a hundred and fifteen. But then the reps,

01:07:46.250 --> 01:07:49.610
that's like just one. That's that's PR is measured

01:07:49.610 --> 01:07:52.889
at one rep max. I'm so curious. I really want

01:07:52.889 --> 01:07:55.730
to know what mine are. You're going to have to

01:07:55.730 --> 01:07:59.719
help me. We can go to gym and maybe in school

01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:02.920
or you can come to my place. I just yeah, I just

01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:05.099
really want to know what my max things are because

01:08:05.099 --> 01:08:08.260
I feel like I don't go as hard as I could. Right,

01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:11.579
let's say that comrade agrees. Yeah, like you

01:08:11.579 --> 01:08:15.659
have to warm up for it first. You have to do

01:08:15.659 --> 01:08:17.560
weight and you build up to that weight because

01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:19.859
if you just go as heavy as you think you can,

01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:22.960
you're going to hurt yourself. Yeah, yeah. My

01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:28.550
heaviest. deadlift ever was 185 kilograms correct

01:08:28.550 --> 01:08:31.489
but once you get time wouldn't you tie yourself

01:08:31.489 --> 01:08:35.630
up before you know you need to you need to proc

01:08:35.630 --> 01:08:40.890
your nervous system to activate deadlift at 85

01:08:40.890 --> 01:08:45.829
yeah i got both kilograms yeah bending bar but

01:08:45.829 --> 01:08:50.930
now it's down to 135 and that's probably still

01:08:50.930 --> 01:08:54.550
worth a beat It still is much more than most

01:08:54.550 --> 01:09:03.810
people can do. Bench press, it's 75 max, but

01:09:03.810 --> 01:09:08.750
now it's like 70. When you do those deadlifts,

01:09:08.810 --> 01:09:11.289
where do you attribute most of that muscle strength

01:09:11.289 --> 01:09:13.270
coming from? What muscle do you think? It depends

01:09:13.270 --> 01:09:17.670
on the kind of deadlift that you are doing. So

01:09:17.670 --> 01:09:19.909
it could be conventional, which is your feet

01:09:19.909 --> 01:09:24.270
closer together. and then that goes through the

01:09:24.270 --> 01:09:28.869
quads or it could be sounds like sumo deadlift

01:09:28.869 --> 01:09:33.729
and that goes through the glutes okay i'm afraid

01:09:33.729 --> 01:09:37.609
of doing my legs i'm really afraid of like breaking

01:09:37.609 --> 01:09:40.470
my knees or something that's silly doesn't yeah

01:09:40.470 --> 01:09:44.350
you have to start if you're not used to doing

01:09:44.350 --> 01:09:46.970
heavy weight you have to start a little bit lighter

01:09:47.229 --> 01:09:50.369
Well, see, yeah, that's the thing. When people

01:09:50.369 --> 01:09:52.810
do stuff like that, it's for just a weird kind

01:09:52.810 --> 01:09:56.829
of personal best. Like, why would you want to

01:09:56.829 --> 01:09:58.750
just try and lift that much if you're going to

01:09:58.750 --> 01:10:00.569
potentially hurt yourself? Yeah. No, no, no.

01:10:00.630 --> 01:10:02.149
You're not going to potentially hurt yourself.

01:10:02.229 --> 01:10:05.710
Do you want to do it? Or you just want to make

01:10:05.710 --> 01:10:10.510
something really happen? For Sophia, she's doing

01:10:10.510 --> 01:10:13.050
it as a sport, right? She won the competition

01:10:13.050 --> 01:10:21.659
last year. What was I gonna say? Yeah, ego lifting

01:10:21.659 --> 01:10:24.319
is a major problem. A lot of guys go into the

01:10:24.319 --> 01:10:29.060
gym, they go like, I'm just gonna go full power.

01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:32.859
And they just use terrible form and terrible

01:10:32.859 --> 01:10:35.060
technique and then they hurt themselves. That's

01:10:35.060 --> 01:10:37.880
how it happens. And I think, yeah, that's stupid.

01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:42.600
You have to start and build up the weight slowly

01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:46.560
and proc your nervous system every time to go...

01:10:46.649 --> 01:10:50.810
as heavy as you can, you can make quick jumps

01:10:50.810 --> 01:10:53.550
like a lot of weight. You start with like, you

01:10:53.550 --> 01:10:58.050
do 20 reps of 20 kilograms and then 10 reps of

01:10:58.050 --> 01:11:02.810
80 kilograms and then five reps of 120 kilograms

01:11:02.810 --> 01:11:06.050
and then two reps of 130 and then one rep of

01:11:06.050 --> 01:11:14.270
180. Right. Whatever kind of escalation you want

01:11:14.270 --> 01:11:18.640
to go through. Yeah, yeah, I like it. I like

01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:22.199
I don't like the competitive nature Because I

01:11:22.199 --> 01:11:24.579
know keep gentle son. You're a good lifter. I'd

01:11:24.579 --> 01:11:26.579
never win I'm not an ego lifter because I know

01:11:26.579 --> 01:11:29.880
that's also I'm so neurotic, you know, and I

01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:32.840
don't ever want to hurt myself So I'm definitely

01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:36.979
not an ego lifter. I want to just you know, I

01:11:36.979 --> 01:11:39.920
only got server was speaking. I only got into

01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:44.439
exercise. I was always such a Passive guy and

01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:47.659
long hair when I had hair and guitar play. I

01:11:47.659 --> 01:11:50.060
wasn't like my brother was the gym fanatic I

01:11:50.060 --> 01:11:52.640
was like, ah, yeah, I'm not about that life So

01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:54.439
when I did start I had some good success with

01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:56.779
some friends that had their camaraderie and we're

01:11:56.779 --> 01:11:59.600
doing that CrossFit sort of high -intensity training

01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:02.119
stuff. That was a juggle Yeah, but then I did

01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:04.020
get into that wanting to really push and compete

01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:06.779
with these guys I've already been doing it injured

01:12:06.779 --> 01:12:09.739
my back from a car accident that came out of

01:12:09.739 --> 01:12:12.909
that week's hedonism I told you about before

01:12:12.909 --> 01:12:16.050
I came to China that crazy week. I didn't go

01:12:16.050 --> 01:12:19.649
to work. I ended in a car accident. And so yeah,

01:12:19.710 --> 01:12:21.810
that's flared up and it's debilitating. You know,

01:12:21.810 --> 01:12:23.609
you don't want to injure yourself. So I'm also

01:12:23.609 --> 01:12:27.010
paranoid about doing that. And now keep my form.

01:12:27.189 --> 01:12:30.189
I don't want to go too heavy. Strict this form.

01:12:30.189 --> 01:12:36.350
Oh, yeah. Bro. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. Gentlemen,

01:12:37.029 --> 01:12:39.109
I think that's the end of the podcast for today.

01:12:41.350 --> 01:12:44.470
quick end of the session free for all if you

01:12:44.470 --> 01:12:47.649
want to ask something or talk about something

01:12:47.649 --> 01:12:53.130
bring something up feel free to do that now you

01:12:53.130 --> 01:12:56.189
caught us off guard yeah yeah i caught you off

01:12:56.189 --> 01:13:00.869
guard i'm sorry i did have you saying that made

01:13:00.869 --> 01:13:04.289
me forget what i was going to talk about i did

01:13:04.289 --> 01:13:06.090
have another topic because we were talking about

01:13:06.090 --> 01:13:09.050
the gym but i'll save it for another time we

01:13:09.050 --> 01:13:11.279
could talk a long time about it i think yeah

01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:17.460
for sure i'm good sure you look kind of like

01:13:17.460 --> 01:13:20.000
you like i got something about something it was

01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:22.260
your earrings i was trying to find out what was

01:13:22.260 --> 01:13:25.680
on them and then i couldn't figure it out a little

01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:30.300
geisha okay was either a geisha or one of the

01:13:30.300 --> 01:13:34.960
um uh the british guys with the buzz be on the

01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:37.840
guards guards yeah so be a weird choice right

01:13:37.840 --> 01:13:40.949
that's what that's what i was still deliberating

01:13:40.949 --> 01:13:43.170
in my head. But otherwise, I appreciate you having

01:13:43.170 --> 01:13:48.890
me here, man. Yeah, thanks for coming. Thanks

01:13:48.890 --> 01:13:53.909
for hosting. It's my pleasure. Yeah. Thanks.

01:13:54.729 --> 01:13:56.569
I'm the host of the podcast. You're the host

01:13:56.569 --> 01:14:05.789
of the venue. Enjoy it. Are you moving? No, but

01:14:05.789 --> 01:14:09.140
landlords, who knows? Oh yeah. Pickle. Pickle

01:14:09.140 --> 01:14:13.479
fence. Yeah, I might. I might be. Maybe it's

01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:16.239
going to be online. Maybe less connected and

01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:21.039
more connected at the same time. That will certainly.

01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.159
Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for watching

01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:26.300
Kalani's Cup. I'm going to stop now. Okay.