Rae (00:00) Hi there, it's Ruby. Before we dive into this episode, a quick shout out to Riverside, which we are now using to record all of the podcasts and do a lot of other editing as well. Check out my link in the description if you are thinking about starting a podcast or a YouTube channel, it's really cool. Also heads up, I don't speak much in this one. We hit some tech snags early on. honestly, I just wanted to let the conversation flow. Let's get into it. Roll the intro. ZongRuiRui (00:55) The countdown, is that the bomb? I want this on the record. want this on the record. Google's making an AI that allows you to talk to dolphins in their language. So you can say like, go get me the ball or come over here and then they'll listen to you. Luigi (00:55) I don't know, recording, now we're recording, but it doesn't mean anything. Hahaha! ⁓ I swear to God, how many cartoon or sitcoms have done that bit? You could find one. There's one somewhere. ZongRuiRui (01:23) Think of the implication. You could talk, if we can do it with dolphins, you could like start talking to your cat or your dog. You want to know what they're saying. Or like put a little EEG cap on your baby and you can tell if it's pooped its pants or it's really hungry or it doesn't like the light. Luigi (01:29) Yep. Yep. Yeah, It'll just say I'm hungry all the time. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (01:42) That's only a few years away, because it's already been proof of concept's already been shown. They just got to make it applicable to the modern human. Luigi (01:49) Well, I can't wait. ZongRuiRui (01:53) Everything's been choking out there. You can't even sell these little pink flamingos. no, candy. Luigi (01:59) hahahaha It's true. ZongRuiRui (02:04) Yeah. Luigi (02:06) All right, Ruby, how do you wanna do this? How are we gonna start this? We need intros, right? We've done this so many times. ZongRuiRui (02:10) Yeah. Rae (02:10) Yeah, intros. Hi, Ryan. I'm Ruby. It's nice to meet you. ZongRuiRui (02:14) Hi Ruby. Pleasure. First time on a podcast. Luigi (02:19) Yeah. Rae (02:20) Welcome, I hope this goes well. I can sense a few problems right now with Riverside, which is kind of annoying. But can I turn up my mic? Yeah, I can do that. How's that? Luigi (02:28) Ruby, can you turn up your mic? You're a little low in the volume. I can't hear you that well. ZongRuiRui (02:38) What's the 0 % and 63 %? Is that like ping? Luigi (02:41) could be. Rae (02:42) What do mean? ZongRuiRui (02:42) Now you're at 64, 65, Luigi you're going up. Rae (02:45) Yeah, that's the so Riverside records locally on your computer and then uploads it So there will be three separate recordings for this podcast Yeah Luigi (02:57) I'm just letting it happen. I don't know. Rae (03:00) but it says mine is 0 % uploaded, which makes me super nervous. Luigi (03:04) Mine's 65, baby! Ha ha! ZongRuiRui (03:07) You went from 66 to 65, so you like, undownloaded. Luigi (03:11) ⁓ yeah, it's going down. Rae (03:12) No, no, cause it's a stream, right? It's like a buffer. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (03:16) ⁓ okay. It's growing and trying to upload at the same time. Wonder what I'm at. ⁓ 99. Okay. Rae (03:20) Exactly. Luigi (03:23) I want Ruby's sound up, it's bothering me. How can I turn it up on my computer? Rae (03:26) You want my sound even higher? Okay, hold on. I know what the problem is. It's because I was recording other things earlier. Let me just go to... ⁓ I just need to change my microphone settings. Luigi (03:38) Make it happen. Make it happen. Rae (03:39) Yeah, it's happening. Luigi (03:40) Ryan, how's life? ZongRuiRui (03:41) Gonna be tumultuous. I got four more weeks till my lease is up and then I gotta move. I'm gonna drive all the way across the country. Back to California. Luigi (03:50) And then what are you gonna do? ZongRuiRui (03:51) I'm going to strap everything I own, including my motorcycle, onto my truck, drive it to St. Louis, put it in storage, drive the rest of the way to California, see fam, and probably come over to Asia, maybe, I'm thinking, East Timor, Papua New Guinea. Those are my two last pieces of Southeast Asia that I haven't hit. Luigi (03:54) Yeah, yeah, yeah. More than me. Still only in China. ZongRuiRui (04:14) I'll try and avoid the cannibals. Rae (04:14) Okay. ZongRuiRui (04:18) Why? Like it's right there. It's right there. Go to Myanmar. Myanmar's like friendly relations. Luigi (04:20) I You clearly missed you clearly missed the first podcast because I'm pretty sure I said I don't travel or maybe I'm wrong. But. Rae (04:29) yeah, like most of the podcast was about how you don't travel. Is the sound better now? ZongRuiRui (04:30) I know you don't, Travis. Luigi (04:32) That's right, how I don't travel and spend money. It's terrible. Ryan knows these things. ⁓ You're still a little low. Rae (04:40) I'm still a little, you know what? I'm loud here. So it's your speakers. Yeah. Luigi (04:43) Okay, fine. But Ryan's really loud on mine! ZongRuiRui (04:45) most productive. Rae (04:49) okay, I don't, I don't know how to fix that right now. I can't do it live. Unfortunately, but I will, I will try to speak louder. Luigi (04:52) Alright, no problem. It's okay. I'll just have to listen real, real close. ZongRuiRui (05:00) close like you know. Luigi (05:01) That's right. That's right. I'll close that. Rae (05:06) So, Ryan, the way that Kaleidoscope works is we each bring like an idea or perspective or whatever to the podcast and share that. And then we dig into that for a little while. And then once we're done dissecting that topic long enough, we'll move on to the next one. I haven't prepared mine at all. And it seems like you're full of ideas. So let's go with yours. Luigi (05:28) WHAT?! ZongRuiRui (05:31) How long do you want to? Luigi (05:32) Did neither of you guys prepare? Rae (05:34) And no, also, sorry, I'm kind of rushing into this. ⁓ I'm Ruby, I'm South African. ⁓ I work with Luigi and I've been living in China for 10 years. And before that I was in Thailand for three. Yeah. Luigi (05:38) Yeah. ZongRuiRui (05:50) 13 years in Asia, huh? Rae (05:51) Exactly. ZongRuiRui (05:52) Hi, I'm Ryan. I'm originally from California, but moved to Korea and China for three and a half years. I've been to just hit one third of the countries in the world. I'm trying to hit them all. Currently going back to college, getting my degree in biomedical engineering. Rae (06:12) That's very cool. Luigi (06:12) so many. What? I thought you were doing neuroscience. ZongRuiRui (06:15) I got a bit, I just finished my last class for bachelor's in neuroscience, but there's a broader field that's being discovered right now. Like neuroscience applied to non-neural cells, like your skin cells or plant cells. It's the electricity that all life speaks. Luigi (06:28) Okay. Well, at least I have, at least I brought us an interesting guest because, my goodness. ZongRuiRui (06:34) electricity. ⁓ Rae (06:35) Yeah, that is super. Luigi (06:36) All right. ⁓ Rae (06:37) I don't even know if I'm gonna be able to keep up with whatever you say. Luigi (06:40) That's okay. Hey, that's all right. Good for content. Okay, my turn. I'm Luigi and my life is like a Carly Rae Jepsen love song. Okay, let's get started. ZongRuiRui (06:42) Thank Very succinct, I love it. Is that your business card? YouTube link to that? ⁓ nice. Luigi (06:54) Hahaha! Every week it's something different! Next week I'll tell them little bit something about myself. ZongRuiRui (07:04) Slowly I'm peeling the onion. Luigi (07:05) That's Rae (07:06) Hold on, your life is a love song for what exactly? Luigi (07:07) right, that's how we keep the viewers! ZongRuiRui (07:10) That's incoming. What was that? Rae (07:12) What is your life song, your life a love song for? Luigi (07:15) My life is like a Carly Rae Jepsen love song. Rae (07:18) Carly Rae Jepson. I don't even know who Carly Rae Jepson. Yeah, I'm uncultured. Yeah. Oh no, I do. I do, do, I do. Kiss me. That's all. Luigi (07:20) Alright, we had this conversation. Yeah, you don't know who Carly Rae Jepsen is. ZongRuiRui (07:26) Amen. Luigi (07:29) No, that's Sixpence and I'm the richer. I'm showing my age as the oldest. I'm showing my age. I am ironically the most the most hip, the most cool. Except when it comes to memes, I think I think I wish when it comes to memes, I think Ryan's got the market corner. Rae (07:32) Alright. ZongRuiRui (07:36) But never again. Rae (07:37) Just barely there. ZongRuiRui (07:41) The Immortal. Rae (07:44) I call bullshit, you just research hip things before the podcast and then come on and say it. Luigi (07:49) Hey, that's okay. Listen, I just I make jokes for the fans. ZongRuiRui (07:55) people. I've been out of the meme game for a while. Ever since I changed my phone. ⁓ I miss those days. Had a whole arsenal. One for everything. I mean the stickers in WeChat, those are never going away. Those are beautiful. Wish you could still share them. Remember those group chats in WeChat used to have where everyone just put their best stickers down? Luigi (08:03) Hehehehe Rae (08:14) Yeah, but now I use something called Trenor Keyboard. And you just search what you want and it's there immediately. Yeah, get it, it's cool. ZongRuiRui (08:19) Random. It's only allowable once. Luigi (08:23) I really, yeah. OK, who? OK, Ryan, you got to go first, I guess. I really want to save mine for the end. Listen. Rae (08:30) Okay, I'll go next. I'll go next. I'll think of something. ZongRuiRui (08:33) Basically, what I've been studying in last two years is mind-blowing. We're learning a new language, Earth used to be just covered in single cellular life, nothing complex, just oceans of bacteria and protists. They would talk to each other with voltages, pluses and minuses in the Luigi (08:44) Okay. ⁓ Right. All right. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (09:02) That's been a communication pattern across time. like the fact that neurons use electricity for our brains is just borrowing from that ability, that language that already exists. So we're learning to speak that primordial language that like all cells speak. So we can do some amazing things with it, right? So you could like give some oncogenes, these cancer causing genes to tadpoles and it's 100 % going to give them a tumor. But if you apply voltages to the cells, they stay normal and they don't turn to cancer. You can even turn cancerous tissue back into normal tissue, get it back in line. So it's communicating, right? ⁓ You can regrow limbs, right? You might have just lost an arm and you think it's just going to scar over. But if you apply the right voltages and keep feeding it, keep it wet, ⁓ you can actually regrow a limb. Luigi (09:38) Okay. ZongRuiRui (09:54) It's telling the cells, like we're speaking directly to the cells, hey, heal, hey, heal, keep healing, keep healing, by just saying that word. We know other words, like we know the word for make an eye, ⁓ and we can just tell that on any part of the body as it develops, develop an eye that works. We've done that on tadpoles and frogs. ⁓ Luigi (10:01) Yeah. Wait a minute, wait a minute, it's been done. ZongRuiRui (10:18) Yes, yes. They basically can sculpt, especially planaria worms, they can sculpt them with as many heads, as many figures as you want. How many limbs? Where do you want them? How many eyes? Luigi (10:31) Right. Okay. ZongRuiRui (10:32) It's like, if you watch ⁓ a being, an organism develop, you can see the voltage distribution. Like these parts are more negative, that part's more positive, and look at the shapes, and like, that's a pattern. And once you know the pattern, you can apply that anywhere. So we know the pattern that looks like a smile. We can apply that somewhere else, and it would start forming a mouth. We can do that with eyes, and they showed the eyes still work. They were testing with the eyes. ⁓ For planaria worms, ⁓ planaria is an amazing flatworm that if you cut it at all, it'll regrow that part, even its brain. It has a pretty complex brain. If you cut off its tail, it'll regrow its tail. Interestingly, if you teach it something and cut off its head and it regrows a head, it'll still know what you taught it. Luigi (11:10) Okay. ZongRuiRui (11:20) So it's like, where's the memory stored, you know? You can even cut it into 10 pieces. They'll all grow into 10 worms with brains and they all remember that. Luigi (11:28) Okay. ZongRuiRui (11:28) You can even watch it develop, take the voltage pattern of what a head looks like in development and teach it to its tail. And it'll stay doing tail things until you cut it off and a head will regrow. Rae (11:40) Okay, what? That sounds, yeah. Luigi (11:41) Wait, so, okay. But how do we talk to it? We electrocute it? You gotta dumb this down for me. ZongRuiRui (11:48) It's subtler. It's subtler. You can change voltages in many ways. So voltages, any difference in positive and negative, you could do sodium, chlorides. So you can put extra ⁓ pumps in the membrane to change the ratio of sodium inside, sodium outside. So that will make the voltage a little bit different. Luigi (12:10) Okay, you gotta break this down for us. You gotta make it really understandable. I'm hearing voltage. I think electricity. ZongRuiRui (12:11) from Rae (12:15) Yeah. ZongRuiRui (12:16) So like at the broadest level, starting at the broadest level, we're learning the language of electricity, bioelectricity that all life speaks. Rae (12:17) Explain to me like I'm five. Luigi (12:25) Okay, bioelectricity, that's the difference because I know living things have electricity in their body, but it's very, very weak, let's say. ZongRuiRui (12:28) the press. like bacteria will rush to the side of a wound because the wound is displaying a really high voltage gradient as the fluid conductive fluid at the surface. So they hope in on that. Yeah, they go to that and then brush into your body. They're like, oh, opening, It's they all everything speaks this and we're just learning how to use it because you can use it to guide. Luigi (12:45) Okay, so like bacteria can sense that. Gross. All right, that makes sense. ZongRuiRui (12:59) morphology. If somebody has a birth defect, can shock it just right so that a normal pattern develops and then all the cells will go to the right location. No defect. Luigi (13:09) Could I use it? Could I, could I, could I elect, could I, how can I say this? Can I use voltage to grow my hair back? ZongRuiRui (13:16) complex. I mean, there is recent, like, I finally understand why infrared, the LED lights actually help stimulate growth. Luigi (13:30) yeah, we talked about this to you and I years ago, with those weird helmets. Yeah. Rae (13:32) They're like red light treatment, right? ZongRuiRui (13:34) the red lights. In the mitochondria, the electron transport chain is what we all use for our formation of ATP. It gives us the energy in our body. That's what our mitochondria do. The fourth protein, the last one, the one that brings the electrons and gives them to oxygen. That's why you need oxygen. That one is stimulated by that infrared light, and it becomes more efficient. Luigi (13:45) Okay, yeah. ZongRuiRui (13:59) So like when you're shining it on, everything's just working more efficiently. Luigi (14:02) I had a friend, okay, I have a friend. I still have a friend. About two years ago, he slipped in the shower and he essentially like dislocated his spine and he had to go stay in the hospital. Obviously they had to, they put like bolts in his head and he was like pinned down to a bed for a month. And one of the things they did for him and one thing he did when he left the hospital, ZongRuiRui (14:03) Thank Luigi (14:25) and had to continue his treatment was he was using a red light to like heal himself. Was that the same kind of thing? ZongRuiRui (14:32) Like where? On the side of the scooter? Luigi (14:34) Yeah, on the site. I guess like on his head, wherever his spine dislocated. ZongRuiRui (14:38) Hmm. Yeah, it does penetrate. the penetrates way deep. Over a centimeter. Luigi (14:40) Because I was, well, what he told me was, or what his wife told me was that, you know, the red light heals. I guess the hospital told him to. I'm wondering if that's the same idea. ZongRuiRui (14:52) Yeah, it's got scientific... Yeah, yeah, just mitochondria are... It's kind of interesting how much of... We both utilize mitochondria and kind of are beholden to them. ⁓ There's circadian rhythm, you go wake and sleep, wake and sleep, but there's actually two rhythms and their synchrony is what gives you sleep. There's the mitochondrial... Luigi (15:10) Yeah. Rae (15:11) Yeah, yeah. ZongRuiRui (15:16) ⁓ Like once you use it throughout the day, they start getting damaged by the oxygen byproducts, peroxides and so they need time to relax and that sleep. And if you don't give them that, they start dying. So they drive. Luigi (15:28) All right, all right, yeah. Okay, before we go any further, Rae (15:31) So me, a lot like. Luigi (15:32) wait, wait a minute. Explain, okay, Ruby Go, you have a question. Rae (15:35) It sounds a lot like mediclorans to me, so just separate Star Wars for me for a second here from what you're studying because you sound like a Jedi to me. Luigi (15:39) Well, wait a minute! ZongRuiRui (15:41) You got it. Yeah. I I've wondered that. I've wondered that honestly. Luigi (15:47) You know he sounds First, you have to define, listen. Okay, some people don't know what mitochondria is. Rae (15:54) I have no idea. Luigi (15:55) How can you tell them what mitochondria is? ZongRuiRui (15:58) ⁓ you know like in violent movies. They are mind-blowing little guys. They have their own DNA but they live inside us. You get them from your mother, you get none of them from your father. It's important you don't forget Luigi (15:59) I know what mitochondria is. And I'll tell you, I know mitochondria. Yeah I thought they were inherited from that one woman we all came from, right? A long, long, time ago. ZongRuiRui (16:16) My Pondrial Eve, yeah. So you can trace back. We were once down to a group of about 2,000 females at one point. ⁓ But there was a lot of male diversity at the time, so it appears to be a really small bottleneck, probably like upwards of 5,000 people total. Honor. Good. We'll get it from you, ma'am. Luigi (16:17) Yeah, do you- They're like parasites. Listen, listen, wait, I'm gonna tell you the reason I know this is how I learned about mitochondria. In 1999, video game company Square created an RPG, maybe you too have heard of it, called Parasite Eve. And the protagonist was a female cop and she had special powers and it came from her mitochondria. ZongRuiRui (16:50) Yeah. Luigi (16:59) That's how I know about it! That's how I learned! ZongRuiRui (17:04) What kind of superheroes? Their cousins, all the close relatives of mitochondria in the wild are all parasites. And they can't sleep. So I believe mitochondria are part of the reason for sleep, if not the reason. Luigi (17:14) Yeah. They put you to sleep. ZongRuiRui (17:20) They like, right, Rae (17:22) not like serotonin. ZongRuiRui (17:22) they give us energy in the day. Luigi (17:25) Yeah. Rae (17:26) I always thought serotonin and oxytocin are part of the happy sleep. ZongRuiRui (17:32) They are part of the cycle. Serotonin gets converted into. It's not coming to me right now. Luigi (17:38) don't worry, no pressure. Listen, if mitochondria put are responsible for your sleep, are working overtime because I am very sleepy, especially during the middle of the day. Rae (17:49) That's because of where we live. ZongRuiRui (17:50) Pump them up. Support the mitochondria. Luigi (17:51) you ZongRuiRui (17:52) really interesting thinking about the cells that we inherit. ⁓ like when I'll give you a story there was a female that ⁓ like 65 ⁓ reporting to the emergency room with a problem with her liver. And they found that she had a really long standing disease like a degenerative disease that should have killed her and presented like in her 30s 40s. Luigi (17:52) That might be a bit small. Okay, yeah. ZongRuiRui (18:21) But somehow she had mostly functioning liver and they were sampling the functioning part and they saw it was male. It was a male liver. Luigi (18:30) Wait a minute. How do you prescribe gender to a liver, or let's say sexuality to a liver? ZongRuiRui (18:38) White chromosomes. Luigi (18:40) Okay, there you go. That's it. Cracked it. Rae (18:40) She was an intersex person. ZongRuiRui (18:43) Yes, so it was from her son 30 years ago, who her baby recognized that she had that degenerative disease and sent stem cells to her liver to become an adult. That's how it works. There's a symbiosis that's established during pregnancy. Luigi (18:54) No way! That's like weird supernatural stuff. ZongRuiRui (19:03) It happens. It happens often. It happens very often, almost 100 % of the time. There will be some sharing of cells, both some of the mother cells, only mother DNA will go on and live in you and me and everyone as little colonies, know, a couple cells growing, maybe part of your skin or maybe it's part of your kidney or I don't know, wherever those cells ended up. But also some of your cells will be shared with your mother. And the interesting part is Luigi (19:10) Yeah. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (19:30) This will also continue down if your mother has future children. Some of your cells might end up in them. Luigi (19:35) Okay, so that means, okay, I have to count. I have three older sisters. ⁓ So because they came before me in my mom, that means some of their crazy, some of their stuff's in me. But my stuff's not in them. That sucks. Because I'm the smartest. ZongRuiRui (19:39) you Yeah, for sure. Mm-hmm. Yeah. ⁓ You could have been that sanity that needed. Luigi (20:01) That's where I got my neuroses from, my sisters and their crazy mitochondria, mitochondrial DNA. That's what I think. That's what's up. ZongRuiRui (20:09) Yeah, it could be there. Could be there. Especially if it's from another father. No, they don't get you don't get mother from the father. Rae (20:12) City. Luigi (20:18) You never know. Rae (20:19) I guess that makes sense because maybe it's just not in sperm cells, maybe it comes from just the gestation period, Luigi (20:21) My dad got around, so who knows? No, I don't know, that's terrible. I shouldn't say these things. ZongRuiRui (20:29) Yeah, but there's a key moment right before conception where as the sperm are swimming up, ⁓ they should be killing off all their mitochondria. They should enter this egg with zero mitochondria. And it's just an interesting process. It's fascinating. Like it's their last swim. They like overtax the mitochondria and just like, one last go. Luigi (20:43) How do they do that? Okay. So, okay, so sperm have a whole bunch of mitochondria in them. ZongRuiRui (20:54) You're gonna this one. I mean, they're cells, yeah, all cells have them. But before conception, they must kill them all, or it will lead to problems, has been shown, developmental problems. Luigi (21:03) Okay. How do scientists figure this out? How do they look so far into a sperm that they're like, there's mitochondria? And how do they see it? How do they see it swimming and going, it's killing all the mitochondria? It sounds like conspiracy. ZongRuiRui (21:15) It's yeah, no, it's only been a of years. ⁓ by the project are really. These little buggers, they're interesting. They're doing their own thing, right? They got their own DNA. They're swimming around. Some of them can leave the cell. Just imagine that. There's free swimming, go swim to another cell. What's up with that? What are they doing? Luigi (21:32) Yeah. Yeah. I had no idea. I would never even thought a sperm has mitochondria in it. I guess that makes sense though. It's got to come from somewhere. ZongRuiRui (21:42) Yeah All eukaryotes, not bacteria, all eukaryotes. I mean, no, no, only eukaryotes, plants, fungi, and animals. They have mitochondria. Luigi (21:52) No, not bacteria, mitochondria. wait, bacteria doesn't have mitochondria. Rae (22:01) So living creatures like potential, potentially cognizant creatures. ZongRuiRui (22:06) You think that's where you draw the line? You carryouts could be cognizant. Rae (22:07) That's Luigi (22:10) ⁓ don't ask me. ZongRuiRui (22:11) sperm that's shown the ability Rae (22:12) I have no idea, I'm just taking wild guesses here. ZongRuiRui (22:13) to learn. You can teach to solve a maze. Luigi (22:15) Yeah. Right. ZongRuiRui (22:18) and they'll remember it. So you can put them back in and they'll keep swimming that direction. If single cells can have memories, where do we draw the line on cognizance? Luigi (22:25) ⁓ How do you define a memory, ZongRuiRui (22:30) OK, here's one. Deer, male deer, have antlers that they shed once every beginning winter, midwinter. ⁓ If you were to, don't do it, carve your name into an antler and shed it that winter, it'll grow back next year and that name will still be on that antler. Where's that memory store? Luigi (22:35) Yep. Yep. Okay, yeah, I know what mean. Yeah. No way. Okay, you carve it, but you don't cut it off. ZongRuiRui (22:59) No, yeah, you just let it scar. Luigi (23:00) ⁓ well that makes sense to me. It's like a scar then. ZongRuiRui (23:03) Yeah, but it shed that antler. It's now bald, basically. No antlers. new antlers will grow back. And there's your name. Rae (23:04) Yep. Luigi (23:09) ⁓ Their antlers fall off. Okay. Rae (23:11) Exactly. It's like getting a prosthetic leg with only like the exact same scars again. Or like if you lost your leg and through stem cells we were able to grow a new leg but the new leg had Luigi (23:13) All right. Wait a minute, Ruby, you've gone mute, you've muted. We can't hear you. ZongRuiRui (23:28) I hear. You don't hear? Rae (23:29) Yeah. ZongRuiRui (23:29) Yeah, I hear you. Rae (23:30) ⁓ it's not... I'm not... Luigi (23:31) We've both gone silent. no. Rae (23:33) You're okay. Anyway, Ryan, basically it's like you lose, you lose a leg and then through Luigi (23:34) What's happening? No, everybody's gonna stop! We gotta stop! Yeah, here, cut it out! Can I make another drink? ⁓ ZongRuiRui (23:44) No! ⁓ Rae (23:47) Yeah, yeah, let's take a break and try and figure this out quickly. I'm going to just stop the recording. ZongRuiRui (23:52) It's Luigi (23:59) How do you use that time to make something to drink? well. Rae (24:01) Didn't you go to get a new drink? Anyway, I was talking about, like, let's say hypothetically, you lose your limb and then through like stem cells, we can grow you a new limb. But we take the stem cells from elsewhere on your body, like your shoulder. I'm sure that, I don't know if we can get some, but then they grow you a new leg. And then that leg has a scar on it that you got when you were young. Luigi (24:08) Yeah. Rae (24:29) And that doesn't make any sense. Like where does the memory of that scar come from? Right? That's how I understand your question. Luigi (24:34) Yeah, yeah, why wouldn't it? Why wouldn't it just reset? ZongRuiRui (24:36) Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the question is, what is the memory of perfection? What the direction you should be developing? That's a memory. ⁓ Luigi (24:49) Yeah. ZongRuiRui (24:49) Okay, it gets ⁓ really weird. It's very top down, right? It's not in the individual cell. It's a pattern that's developed by all the cells in unison. So for example, ⁓ vessels, it's kind of like blood vessels, but lymph for your immune system. ⁓ We were looking at them in newts, like salamander newts. They're normally, let's say, eight cells in diameter. Luigi (25:14) Yeah. ZongRuiRui (25:18) ⁓ And that's the vessel where it's located. All right, eight cells. ⁓ We can increase the amount of DNA that's in them, like double the amount of genes, and they'll get twice as big, the cells. So if we do that, now we see there's only four cells in a diameter of the vessels. And we doubled it and doubled it again until there's one cell that's the size of the vessel. Luigi (25:19) Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (25:41) It can't really talk to its neighbors and make a vessel anymore. So what happens? It develops this new structure inside of it. That's its own vessel. And that's the same diameter. So instead of cells coordinating with each other to make a tube, it now expresses some new genes that makes a tube within it and solves the problem of this top-down directive, right? Whatever this memory is. Luigi (25:49) Okay. Okay. ZongRuiRui (26:06) this pattern that must exist. must be a vessel and of this diameter, the cells will find a way to do it, but it might be a whole new way depending on the conditions. Luigi (26:17) Right. Okay. I don't like that. It sounds very bureaucratic. It sounds very capitalist, dangerous. Rae (26:18) Wow. ZongRuiRui (26:21) Yeah. Luigi (26:27) People might get, conservatives might get hold of this. Might use it to justify their kind of behaviors. Rae (26:29) Okay. Luigi (26:39) I get, I get that. Like, I think the the the issue with like memory and stuff, it's really the semantics. We call it memory. In like as a way to just understand the science, but I think that's also kind of a problematic and confuses people by saying, yeah, by saying like cells have a memory. ZongRuiRui (27:04) for our concept. Luigi (27:08) Ooh, that's the problem. And that confuses people. It's kind of mystical. That's really... ZongRuiRui (27:11) So just type them in. Yeah. You also remember like an episode of your life. You might remember a scene and that's like a composition of a lot of different things. Luigi (27:19) Yeah And it's not, I don't know if it's. Rae (27:22) I don't think it's a semantic problem though. I think it's just people that it's our limited understanding of a word or people's, rather people's limited comprehension of a specific word. Like, yeah. Luigi (27:36) Okay, well. ZongRuiRui (27:37) a tree and I really hope you're imagining a palm tree exactly, but I just said tree, you know, it's that kind of thing. We say memory. What memory are we talking about? Rae (27:43) Exactly. Luigi (27:44) ⁓ okay. Well, I seem to I just think of it as like, well, I guess I guess I would default to saying like, it's just DNA, like DNA follows a kind of pattern, right? Protocol for doing something, but is it? What? ZongRuiRui (27:57) OK, those planaria worms, if we shock them, if we don't like, not really thinking of a pattern, we just kind of perturb them from their normal voltages, like move everything over slightly while they're developing, they often will develop to look like one of the species that they're cousins with. So it'd be kind of like us trying to look more ape-like if we applied the right voltages. Luigi (28:17) Okay. ZongRuiRui (28:22) just shifting the voltage a little. But we still have human DNA, that's the thing. We make the planaria worm look like its cousins, like with different head shapes and body types, ⁓ just by kind of pushing the voltages a little away from their normal. And the more we push, the further down the tree of life it seems to go. It's really weird. The DNA is still the same. It's still the planaria's DNA. Luigi (28:27) Yeah. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (28:50) You could sample it and say, it's, it's that worm, but it looks like that one. It's very interesting. Luigi (28:55) Yeah, but is it not because, you know, scientists are just like messing with it and kind of like hurting it? ZongRuiRui (29:02) I mean, it's just, yeah, I mean, the ethics, ethics aside, though, we're showing that if you change the voltage, the DNA respond to the voltage, the genes that get expressed like their cousin species, even if some of them are slightly different. Luigi (29:03) Damaging it, let's say. Yeah. I can't wrap my head around this. too dumb. ZongRuiRui (29:17) Yeah, it just kind of shows that DNA is kind of the tools and electricity is the software. Luigi (29:23) Okay. ZongRuiRui (29:23) So Rae (29:24) Electricity is the software. Holy shit. Okay. ZongRuiRui (29:24) like with those cells, yeah, for the vessel, that vessel, I don't know about. kind of, yeah. But also all the structure within. Luigi (29:28) Was the DNA, is the DNA the hardware? Rae (29:32) Yeah. Luigi (29:35) I'm not nerdy enough for this. This is not my nerd tool house. I don't know all these hard sciences. They're too abstract to me. ZongRuiRui (29:40) Nerdy Knobs. It's got a magic. Molecules, Microtubules, Luigi (29:48) Yeah, dude. ZongRuiRui (29:49) All here's the tricky part. gone. So the cells in your trachea ⁓ and most mammals, some reptiles, have these things called cilia. Like the outside of the cells have little hair-like projections. Yeah, they can push down. Cilia seems to be a common term. I love it. I'm glad there's public awareness of cilia. Luigi (29:49) Okay. Okay. Rae (29:49) ⁓ yeah. Now I'm listening. Luigi (30:04) Yeah, I know what silly is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm smart. Okay. Okay. ZongRuiRui (30:17) ⁓ They would that sometimes the hairs push down to like help you swallow or if there's like smoke in your lungs, they'll push up to help get ash out and into your digestive tract to clean it. They all coordinate together, right? And so the voltages, you can, you can watch the voltage sweep and they all sweep there. Like they're all like, yeah, let's go, let's go kind of thing. But if you take some of those cells out and put them in a Petri dish, like maybe a single cell or a pump of three cells. Luigi (30:28) Yeah. Right. ZongRuiRui (30:45) they will start using the Thilia as like little legs and just start swimming around. And they can solve mazes, they'll go hunt for food. They'll reproduce. Luigi (30:55) Wait, so the cilia, The cilia, so cells take the cilia or the cilia have their own cells. ZongRuiRui (31:04) They're just like the hair on the outside, but they're kind of like tentacles, so they can use it to do things. ⁓ Yeah, they start acting like independent creatures. They'll solve a maze. If you put a bunch of them together, like a clumps of three, twos, and ones, ⁓ the threes will start gathering ones together and making clumps of threes. Luigi (31:07) Yes. Yeah. they do their own thing. Yeah. Okay. Right. ZongRuiRui (31:28) And this extends the bigger ones. Like if you have like clumps of 15, the little clumps of 15 will start gathering ones and making clumps of 15. Luigi (31:29) Okay. Okay. ZongRuiRui (31:36) They're kind of like, they're independent creatures. And so it's been shown that when animals die, like humans, some of our cells just go on living as their own thing. It was like, all I'm out of here. That didn't work out. Time to go off into the environment. Let's go. Luigi (31:42) Yeah. Right. That's wild. So it's wild, but it's also disturbing because as human beings, we think we're this like one being and we don't really pay any attention. We know we have cells, we think they're just like, we don't really, they're just like mindless things. They're just things. I don't even know if they're just things. They exist in you to like little vessels, let's say. But ZongRuiRui (31:52) So some, yes. Luigi (32:15) Now they have their own. ZongRuiRui (32:16) agency. Luigi (32:17) They have their own agency. That's wild. ZongRuiRui (32:20) Yeah, it is wild, right? And the only reason that they're coordinating together and making a own self, like one unified self, is because they're sharing the same voltage. If you cut it off, you start getting cancer or stem cells. Luigi (32:30) one. Rae (32:31) Okay, wait, up to this point, I've assumed that different voltages within your body result in different things. But now you're saying the only reason we have a body is because everything has the same voltage? Luigi (32:33) Okay. ZongRuiRui (32:46) the tissue, each tissue. Luigi (32:46) Whoa, it's like the same. It's like when you hear that hippie, it's like when you hear hippies say like we're on the same frequency and all that. Rae (32:53) Yeah. ZongRuiRui (32:53) It's in there. It's in there. So different tissues have different net voltage. Luigi (32:56) Now that I find that I find that disconcerting because I mean, they're kind of right. ⁓ Rae (33:02) Me too. It just means that like ZongRuiRui (33:03) Uh, Rae (33:06) everything that I thought I understood about biology is just, no. Nope. ZongRuiRui (33:06) I'm gonna in the third line. Luigi (33:08) Yeah! Yeah! Rae (33:13) Everything is a lie. Everything. Luigi (33:14) I don't know. ZongRuiRui (33:15) Thank Luigi (33:16) Now they don't listen. All the kids, all those all those kids at Burning Man. I don't know, man. I got to believe them. They don't seem so silly. ZongRuiRui (33:24) So yeah, putting EEG caps on people at concerts like raves and just general concerts, ⁓ writing rhythms tend to start synchronizing among participants. So they are on the same vibe. Luigi (33:31) Yeah. Do you think that's because of something like the music playing and the rhythm makes that happen? ZongRuiRui (33:46) Yeah, yeah. Doesn't that sound awesome? Like we're all in the same frequency because that's what we're listening to. Luigi (33:51) Well, yeah, I mean, it makes sense. But I feel like it's something like when we say everyone's brain aligns, it's because it's something more like, I don't know, cosmic. to me, or like people are like working together to do something. But really what it is, is they're all responding to something. If that makes sense. Rae (34:13) think that our mitochondria are the higher power. there's no reason... Honestly, if you're spiritual, there's no reason to say like, they're just a cell. Luigi (34:24) Please, I wish. Yeah, please, please, mitochondria, take care of me. Tell me how to make money. I want to believe that. Its name is mitochondria Eve. Rae (34:29) because ZongRuiRui (34:34) You mean the port? Rae (34:35) We have found God. ZongRuiRui (34:37) Hey. Rae (34:41) But that's like any technology that is sufficiently advanced seems like magic, ZongRuiRui (34:50) That's what we said in class yesterday. Yeah, we're going over that talking about God. ⁓ Luigi (34:51) Yeah ⁓ okay. Tell us more. Tell us ZongRuiRui (34:57) Uh, number one podcast that was, am I allowed to plug? It's the number one podcast on Spotify. Telepathy tapes. They talk about, um, non-speaking autistic children and how developing without the ability to speak that or kind of, so like most of the autistic spectrum has some problem in between senses, like sensations and. Luigi (35:03) Yeah, go for it. It's not Joe Rogan. He fell off. Rae (35:03) Yeah, go for it. Yeah. don't... Yeah. I'm not even... ⁓ Mm-hmm. ZongRuiRui (35:25) consolidation or observing that consolidation. ⁓ So there's some cutoff in the sensory pathway. So for some reason, being cut off from your natural senses, your development ⁓ during development gives you the ability to seek out those sensorial feelings in other people. So a lot of these children are able to sense what their mothers are feeling or seeing or thinking. Luigi (35:27) Okay. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (35:53) And so they tested this in like both settings, mother looking away from the child, child can't see her and they'd show her numbers and he would choose numbers. He would write the exact number. They could do this in four digits and like a lot of children can do this. It seems to be a common thing. It's almost a problem because like the parents can't even hide gifts from their child because the child knows where they put them. Rae (36:14) That explains how I could find all my Christmas gifts. Luigi (36:15) No way. You That's like, that's a little Stephen Kinney for me. I don't know if I believe that. Are you saying, are you saying psychics are real? ZongRuiRui (36:23) I know, I know. But they released videos. Rae (36:24) I agree, yeah. ZongRuiRui (36:29) So get diving into the research of some of these Ivy League school, like not Ivy League, Cornell, Princeton, Princeton's Ivy League, Yeah, Princeton, University of Virginia and Duke. They've all looked into this and found a statistically significant showing of Psi-like abilities in the general population, 60 times the 95 % confidence interval. Luigi (36:36) Yeah, yeah, I think so. Rae (36:37) yet. Definitely. Luigi (36:41) Yeah. ZongRuiRui (36:55) So 95 % chance we're wrong, we're 60 times past that. We're into 99.99 % chance we're not wrong. And it seems to follow a bell-shaped curve, like everyone's ability. Everything in life seems to follow a nice statistical bell-shaped curve. It seems to be the ability to perform on these tests seems to be something innate in all humans, but to different degrees of. Luigi (36:56) Okay. Okay. ZongRuiRui (37:20) attunement or development along that path. Luigi (37:22) All right. Okay. ZongRuiRui (37:23) So read minds. Yeah. Luigi (37:27) But what about all those other experiments where people try and see if psychics really are psychics and it's a total grift. Like they catch them. Rae (37:36) Yeah, they're always perfect just to be ZongRuiRui (37:36) Hmm. ⁓ Rae (37:38) like bullshit, bullshitters. Luigi (37:40) Yeah, yeah. ZongRuiRui (37:41) So there's the scientific replicable experiments and then there's these TV shows that have been put on. And then you start to wonder like, why would this need to be hidden from the public? And then it kind of comes down to like, do you want everyone knowing that they can read minds? And that it's a teachable thing like you can can train it you can you can get better at it Luigi (38:02) I think, okay, okay, okay. When you say that, think, yeah, you can train yourself to be psychic, but that's just, you can train yourself to grift. I wanna believe, I wanna believe psychics are real because when I was young, I went to a lot of psychics and I've loved it. I wanted the answers, but some psychics were even like, you know what, Luigi? You're psychic. Like even my sisters would be like, I went to a psychic and they told me you're psychic. And I'm like, sure, dude. Okay, great. ZongRuiRui (38:24) You're right. Rae (38:29) Why, apparently you are. ZongRuiRui (38:29) See they're right, everyone's Luigi (38:30) I don't know. ZongRuiRui (38:31) ability. Luigi (38:32) I want to believe something like that's cool. I want to believe in cool stuff. ZongRuiRui (38:36) Hmm, so what other Luigi (38:37) I want to believe Solomon was a man who existed and he, you know, consulted with all these demons and had all these sigils and they were real. I want to believe that. Rae (38:47) Me too. People are like, are you religious? No, I'm not. Why not? Well, because I don't believe it, but I sure as hell want to believe that there's a ghost and a Wendigo and werewolves and shit in the world. Yes. Luigi (38:57) I can't, yeah, because it's fun. I wanna believe that, yeah, Leprechaun. ZongRuiRui (39:02) Have you heard of the miracle of the sun that occurred in Portugal ⁓ towards the end of World War I? Luigi (39:09) Nope. Lay it on us. ZongRuiRui (39:11) See, I think it was 1915. So I'm just gonna go with that. April 1915, ⁓ these two sisters and their friend are out picking flowers in the field. And this lady, shining lady descends from the clouds. She's like metallic. Luigi (39:16) Okay, all right. Yeah. Okay, I think I have heard of this. Okay, keep, tell me more. Rae (39:31) If not... ZongRuiRui (39:31) metallic lady but also shimmering with a radiant light and she comes down and bids the children return in a month but in the meantime ⁓ do penance, pray every day, know, the whole drill. And little children, they're like seven years old, so they would do it when their parents did it but for the next month they really did it. ⁓ And so one month later when the two sisters are walking home the lady again descended Luigi (39:45) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. ZongRuiRui (39:58) saying she was really pleased with what they did. She will return every month ⁓ until a happy year from now in which she will perform a miracle so that all may believe is what she said. ⁓ And every month it started to become a spectacle. that was May. So June, July, people from the town started gathering and they wouldn't see the lady, but they would see the clouds part and ⁓ like a kind of hear a Luigi (40:06) Mm-hmm. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (40:27) whirring sound. And then the girls when the girls said that the lady was departing, there would be like the spiral of mist that would go up into the air. So that it started to become kind of a spectacle. So in August, the police just put the girls in jail. And apparently they didn't contact the lady. But September, she was back. And this time it was a crowd of like 10,000 people. Luigi (40:29) Yeah, okay. Yep. as they should. ⁓ ZongRuiRui (40:54) So they're starting to gain a lot of traction. October went the half year mark, I guess. Was it half year? I know. I knew it was supposed to be October, it was the last one. The lady, now the crowd has swelled to estimates put it between 60 and 100,000 people, all surrounding these girls at the riverbed or lake side. Again, the same observables. Luigi (40:54) Right. Yeah. Okay. Right. Yep. Thank ZongRuiRui (41:19) the cloud, the parting, ⁓ the lady talking to them for about two minutes. ⁓ There was like news reporters, atheists here. They all witnessed this thing, the spiral of myths. And then everyone kind of, I mean, it's a huge crowd, right? So not everyone can really see that little myth happen. So everyone's just kind of ⁓ grumpy. They're starting to become some unrest after the girls said, everyone said it's over. But suddenly there's a strong commotion and everyone looks the other way. Rae (41:23) you Luigi (41:35) Yeah. ZongRuiRui (41:49) start begins, you know, collective consciousness, look back, the sun had become, well, first of all, it had been overcast, but now it was completely clear day. And then the sun had turned this dark red that was, you could just look right at it and it wouldn't burn your eyes. And then it started wobbling in the sky and then approaching earth. So it got really big. And then it slowly receded and this took a couple of minutes. Luigi (41:50) Right. Yeah. Thank Okay. ZongRuiRui (42:14) And everyone there said they saw it. Even the Pope in the Vatican garden said he saw it. Luigi (42:18) Wait a minute. He saw it all the way from the Vatican and it happened in South America. ZongRuiRui (42:23) That's what he said. This happened in Portugal. Luigi (42:25) Portugal. Okay, well, guess. that makes sense. It's more believable because it's closer in Europe. I almost caught myself. Was it not something like a there must be some kind of scientific explanation. It wasn't like a kind of eclipse. ZongRuiRui (42:27) Not too far. Yeah. Luigi (42:39) I guess no one knows. Listen, it sounds like, it sounds like science and conspiracy are converging. Whoa, whoa, did you just say it sounds like aliens? Ruby, Ruby, hold up. You just said the magic word. You just said the keyword of the episode, aliens. This is a point of contention for me and Ryan. ⁓ Rae (42:43) Sounds like aliens. Exactly. It sounds like aliens. ZongRuiRui (42:50) Do you want to go? Do you want to go? Sponsors! Luigi (43:06) And this is why I brought Ryan on. Rae (43:10) blocked it? Okay, wait. Explain to me how, where do aliens... Why is this a keyword? Luigi (43:19) Yeah, why do aliens? That's a good question. Why do, why do aliens? Exactly. Well, okay. Ryan always has, you know, news about aliens. ZongRuiRui (43:28) Yeah, why? Rae (43:31) Who believes in aliens? Okay. Ryan, you're four aliens. Luigi (43:34) I want, listen. ZongRuiRui (43:36) Mm-hmm. ⁓ it's pretty obvious now if you look at what that. Luigi (43:38) And I am. Rae (43:40) Luigi you're against aliens. Luigi (43:42) I want to believe. I want to believe. ZongRuiRui (43:44) Set you pictures of actual aliens. I'll talk to Rae (43:48) I believe, I ZongRuiRui (43:49) you. Rae (43:49) believe in aliens. ZongRuiRui (43:50) We have full bodies, 100 of them, that you can do a full, you can look at the full CT scan every square millimeter of each slide. Luigi (43:59) Yeah. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (44:00) You can look at the spectroscopic data. can look at the DNA data. It's on the NIH website. You can just download that data, run the scripts like I did, see what genes are there. There's some human DNA, but a lot of it's not human DNA. It's weird. Luigi (44:13) Mmm. Again, like, what do they call those aliens that are a half people half alien? What do they call they have names? ZongRuiRui (44:20) Hi, Bruce. Luigi (44:20) Oh, are they called hybrids? Geez. All right. I really over thought it. But no, let me check. There's got to be. Are they hybrids? I'm going to look it up. Aliens and people. Wait, what's it called? What are the babies? ZongRuiRui (44:32) This is your information. Luigi (44:34) What are the babies of aliens that people call? And the internet will have an answer to this. Because... Weirdos. ZongRuiRui (44:39) Urban dictionary for sure. Luigi (44:41) It's all part of the alien lore. Xenomorphs! No, that doesn't make sense. That's from the movie. Never mind. Offspring of- no. ZongRuiRui (44:45) ⁓ yeah, I mean in the movie, yeah. Luigi (44:51) Now it's really hard to- okay. Space aliens are breeding with humans? Anchor baby. No. Rae (44:56) my hand here aliens Luigi (45:00) What are the babies of space aliens? And people call. Rae (45:03) The babies of space aliens. What other kind of aliens do you have? There are only space aliens. Luigi (45:08) Well, I'm saying I'm just trying to be specific for Google. But in in in alien lore, there is like when when aliens come down and breed with humans, are they called? Are they called? Are they called hybrids? Maybe I should say that when aliens come. Yeah, from the movie. ZongRuiRui (45:09) No, no, no, no. ⁓ wait, hold on. Hold on. Rae (45:13) I see. Don't bring me octopi. Don't bring me octopi. ZongRuiRui (45:26) mean, dinomorphs are from the movie where they were making mentions of the moon. Yeah. But so the fact that these mummies in Nazca, Peru have DNA, simpler hypothesis would be that they just evolved here first, right? So like dinosaurs had 50 million years. We've had 45 million years. So. Luigi (45:36) Here we go, the mummies. Yep. ZongRuiRui (45:49) They had about the same amount of time we did to evolve intelligence. It could be. That would be the Solarian hypothesis that life just got intelligent here twice. We're the monkeys on the roof and they're the ones in the ocean. Rae (45:50) And they're not alien. Luigi (46:01) Who would, who would, okay, so you're saying we all came from the earth. But my question is, if we're monkeys, what intelligent being from outer space would come down and say, hey, I wanna get it on with that monkey. Rae (46:14) board one. Luigi (46:15) A kinky one. ⁓ ZongRuiRui (46:16) I when we rated Area 51, most Rae (46:16) Yeah. ZongRuiRui (46:19) of our comments were saying, I'm going to clap them alien cheeks, so it works both ways kind of things, right? Luigi (46:22) ⁓ Yeah, alright, fair. Fair. People are weird. Rae (46:28) I I have the start the Enterprise on my arm and Captain Kirk definitely... No, no, no, no, Captain Kirk definitely got busy with aliens. ZongRuiRui (46:36) you Luigi (46:37) Enterprises and aliens don't listen. I'd be appeals for Yes, but that's a greater metaphor for imperialism and white savior kind of complex stuff. Rae (46:46) He's my Doesn't matter. If you're not smart like you are, like you are smart is what I'm trying to say, then then you're just God with aliens. ZongRuiRui (46:59) Mm-hmm. Luigi (46:59) We can have a whole discussion on Star Trek, but. ZongRuiRui (47:02) What about all these whistleblowers? First of all, yes, it does appear that space is like Star Trek. We're just not part of the Federation anymore. Or maybe we are. Maybe we're Rae (47:03) Yeah, we should. Luigi (47:04) Yeah, I get that. Rae (47:10) Okay, wait, wait, wait. Before we go Luigi (47:11) Thank you. Rae (47:12) into this, hold on. Let me just make it official. My perspective for this episode then, since we're not talking about mitochondria anymore, aliens are real. The Fermi paradox is a problem. Luigi (47:24) Alien mitochondrial DNA. ZongRuiRui (47:26) me paradox at the top. Luigi (47:27) Okay sorry, go ahead. Rae (47:27) The Fermi Luigi (47:28) Yeah. Yeah. Rae (47:28) paradox is a problem. Captain Kirk got with aliens. And if I could get on the Star Trek Enterprise right now and go and explore another galaxy. ZongRuiRui (47:33) Yeah. Luigi (47:41) I mean everybody would, that'd be fun. ZongRuiRui (47:43) We can. We can right now. Yeah. So if you listen to the public hearings that occurred in front of Congress in the United States, you can hear these whistleblowers talk about ARVs, alien reproduction vehicles, where we back engineer the technology, take the engines and fit them onto our own little triangle guys, TR3Bs. And these things can just... Rae (47:43) Not everybody would. We can. Luigi (47:45) We can? How? No way. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (48:08) get around in seconds into space, let's go that way. And like, if we have a fleet of those, which apparently we do according to multiple sources, like there's over 34 right now, ⁓ we have a fleet in space. So we are kind of doing things up there. Luigi (48:13) Yeah, okay. Okay. Do you think, okay, I'll play up, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because to me that sounds so far fetched. And the only reason I could think that maybe it's remotely true and no one believes it is because if America did have these things and they reversed engineered the technology and created these things, they wouldn't want their enemies to know. You don't want Russia to know about it. ZongRuiRui (48:44) There's, here's a problem. You're making an assumption that's incorrect. Sure. This, this, this crash retrieval, this crash retrieval program did start in America, but it's become an international black body program. Right? So it's, it, doesn't report to even like the top star generals. They do their own thing and they, and they monitor the skies of all countries trying to get to any crash first. Luigi (48:49) Alright. Okay. There's still crashes happening today. Aliens and spaceships are crashing every day. ZongRuiRui (49:09) Yeah. Remember those New Jersey drones? They never stopped. You can go on the subreddit. There's a subreddit. Oh, that's a good question. That's been a big question because they've crashed in the past. If you look up the 1894, 1897, Aurora, Texas had a crash and you can see the original newspaper clipping. Rae (49:14) Why? Why are they crashing? Luigi (49:20) Yeah. Okay. ZongRuiRui (49:34) where they talked about a traveler from another planet or something, outer space, and there's a soften. Luigi (49:42) Yeah, okay, yeah. ZongRuiRui (49:43) Yeah, apparently we've been retrieving crashes for a while. Luigi (49:47) Now, yeah, I I hear, I believe, I believe there's, I believe there's stuff, like crash stuff that people have been retrieving. That to me is believable. But what, I believe that, like even a long time ago, if you look at, I don't know, what can I say, ancient texts, like you hear of things, ZongRuiRui (49:59) before 1900. Luigi (50:12) Situations, don't know, scenarios, parts in history where people see things in the sky. Maybe they're, they're obviously unidentified because they didn't know what they were. But I believe in, I believe that phenomenon happened. I just don't believe that. It's weird for me. Okay. Like I say, I want to believe, but when you have all these like whistleblowers and talks in Congress of people saying like, we've got aliens, man. Look, here's the, here's the corpse. And they show it like, Rae (50:29) you Luigi (50:39) the one in, where was it? I don't know. I forget the last one we fought about, we were arguing for years about it. was in South America. They showed these little mummies and I was like, fake, totally fake. It was a hoax. And those guys have been proved to be hoaxsters. ZongRuiRui (50:55) I've been in contact with the actual professors. Luigi (50:58) Here we go. Okay. Rae (51:01) Okay. ZongRuiRui (51:03) Getting the actual date, like I want to know the truth too. So I've been talking to them getting the actual data. so there, there were actually three types of mummies that they found in multiple tombs throughout the Atacama desert. But the three types, basically one of them, it seems like ritual, they're like ritual idols that are meant to look like the alien beings and they're assembled out of animal skins, llama. But then there's actual two feet tall ones. Luigi (51:09) Yeah. Okay. See? ⁓ Reasonable. ZongRuiRui (51:30) And then there's five and a half feet tall ones that look more like humans. And they all have three fingers and three toes. Some of them are eggs. Some of them have eggs, little three toe, three finger beings inside the eggs. They have metal like gold and silver grafted to their bone. But if you look at the CT scans, you can see evidence of healing. So this must have happened while they were alive. And some of them have on their wrists, some have on their breastplate, some of them on their skulls. Luigi (51:36) But that actually... Yeah. Yeah, that's believable. That's believable. It's believable, but not the... ZongRuiRui (51:55) They're definitely at least 1,000 years old by carbon-14 rating. It actually lines up right when the time the Nazca lines were drawn was about the average age of these mummies. So something was going on about 1,500 years ago. Like maybe they were like, hey, Columbus is going to kill you all in 1,000 years. Let's party right now. Yeah. Luigi (52:11) Yeah. No, something happened a long long time ago and what it was was they took a bunch of people and they grafted a bunch of stuff to them. That's it. They're just people. Rae (52:26) How do you grab something to someone's bone? I don't think you can. Luigi (52:29) come on. mean, metallurgies existed for so long. How is it not believable? We... Come on, like, how can we not... ZongRuiRui (52:33) So. Rae (52:37) I find it, I find it, okay, let me just be clear, I'm not on Ryan's side here. I don't think aliens are on Earth. I just think they're real. And they could be. ⁓ Luigi (52:42) Yeah. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (52:51) The isotopic Luigi (52:51) Yeah ZongRuiRui (52:51) ratio, do you suggest the metallurgic scales of the time? They're not super refined? It seems like it was the... But... Luigi (52:58) Yeah, it's like trying to heal people. Rae (53:01) And I think that metallurgy was super refined, but I don't think that it would have been possible to graft molten metal onto someone's bone without killing them. ZongRuiRui (53:11) boned. Yeah, it got in there with it doesn't seem to have left any big scars above. These are very well preserved. We even have brain tissue still in them. It's all been covered in diatomaceous earth. Like these tombs are in diatomaceous earth mines. So everything's covered in the stessican, the drying agent. It's all perfectly mummified. So we Luigi (53:26) Yeah. Maybe we think that because we have a bias of, you know, old things mean it's rudimentary. But maybe back in the day, I mean, maybe they were, maybe they didn't know how to do it and they did it with some skill and technique. I mean, we built the pyramids. Rae (53:36) you ZongRuiRui (53:45) I love how we're staying critical. All right, so now we're going to take it one step further and show why this is definitely aliens. If you look at the Y chromosome, you can trace the holotype, the actual tree of life, ancestry of all humans. You can trace the lineage of fathers with the Y chromosome. You can trace the lineage of mothers with the mitochondrial DNA. So we can trace those two and say, what ethnicities are the human aspects of these mummies? Rae (53:49) That's true. Luigi (53:53) Okay. Okay. Okay. ZongRuiRui (54:16) And we see the mother was from Myanmar and the father was from China. Luigi (54:22) Okay. And? So, so, but they're not aliens. ZongRuiRui (54:27) 1500 years ago, Rae (54:27) Why is that important? Luigi (54:30) Yeah. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (54:31) mother in Myanmar and a father in China somehow had children in Peru. Rae (54:40) of the mummy is in Peru. Luigi (54:41) Okay. ZongRuiRui (54:42) The mummies are in Peru. And this is just one sample from one mummy. we can't, they haven't released the full data. Apparently there's a huge paper coming out regarding all of the genetic data. But just looking at, they have three samples on the government website. You can trace them back to Southeast Asia. The human aspects of these mummies, the mitochondrial and Y chromosome DNA that does match humans. Luigi (54:44) Wait a minute. But isn't another kind of, I don't know how to say it, evolutionary theory, let's say. People crossed at one little piece of land over to the North American continent and traveled all the way down to Latin America. Couldn't these- ZongRuiRui (55:22) Yeah, most of them. It did. Australia did it. Yeah, New Zealand. Luigi (55:28) And like who, you know, maybe seafares. People must have. ZongRuiRui (55:32) There's yams found almost all the way to New Zealand. Somehow yams... Luigi (55:36) Yes, and nobody knows how yams got there. Yes, that I know. ZongRuiRui (55:40) There was definitely mixing, but at the same time, we didn't see yams over in Myanmar, near Thailand, farther than Thailand. Somehow a mother of Luigi (55:42) Well, yeah. But maybe, you know, people travel a long distance. So how'd that person, I don't know, someone traveled. They had nothing better to do. ZongRuiRui (55:56) I know, did you get there in a lifetime? I guess if you're like, dedicated to it. Luigi (55:56) Like seriously, I got nothing I play video games I got nothing better to do ZongRuiRui (56:04) Sure, maybe it some woman that, like from a child she was sent. You will go halfway around the earth. We've heard there's far away land. Luigi (56:12) So, well then how did that person get there? You're saying it was an alien and they were sent in a spaceship. Rae (56:17) Was in Greenland ZongRuiRui (56:18) It's weird that somebody could get there without mixing genetically. That would be somebody who's dedicated their life to getting far... Rae (56:25) That makes sense to me. Like it's weird that somebody would get there without genetically mixing beforehand because it's so far to travel. ⁓ Luigi (56:30) Yeah, I mean it's pretty fucked. ZongRuiRui (56:35) It might be not a traveling family, you know, that the family Luigi (56:39) Is it possible? Is it possible they were in a boat? ZongRuiRui (56:40) that gets over there. this is true. If somebody really set off from Myanmar, I think they could do it. It's hard to say what was going on in 500 B.S.A.D. in terms of the Pacific. We weren't really aware of what's going on in South America back then. Luigi (56:47) I huh. ⁓ huh. ZongRuiRui (56:58) But genetically, they're very distinct from the rest of the population. So if that person did go, they went there to make aliens and nothing else, because those genes aren't in South America. Luigi (57:10) literal aliens. ZongRuiRui (57:11) Yeah. Luigi (57:11) not like space aliens. ZongRuiRui (57:14) I say space. I'm saying these things are from the ocean. Luigi (57:19) Myanmar. Yeah, wayfarers. Maybe. Rae (57:20) Okay. ZongRuiRui (57:24) There's definitely stuff under our ocean that they're called USOs, but they become UFOs when they start flying above and they go between water and air like it's nothing. It doesn't matter to them. Luigi (57:34) Hmm. Rae (57:35) I've seen videos of like fighter jet footage of this these things that go into water ZongRuiRui (57:41) And so we have multiple sources of data radar, FLIR, that's IR, human, all seeing the same thing. And you say, is it real? you're like, three sources all saying yes at the same spot. Something physical is there. Luigi (57:43) you Yeah. Yeah, okay. I believe that. ZongRuiRui (57:58) And then Blackcomb and remove all the footage and takes a decade for that to come back out. Rae (58:03) I still don't believe it. I s- Luigi (58:04) So then why would, why, yeah. So why did America release all this stuff then? What's the motivation? Just like, whatever, it's not a big deal? ZongRuiRui (58:10) Hmm. It seems like there's two camps in the disclosure movement of these whistleblowers. One camp says that aliens first appeared in Magenta, Italy, 1932 with a crash 1934. Magenta, Italy, there was a crash and it got reported to the Vatican. Vatican took the crash and actually back channeled it to the United States. We went and picked it up during World War II and that supposedly kicked off our program. Luigi (58:25) Okay. Okay. ZongRuiRui (58:38) That's their story. The other story is that they've been here the whole time. this other group is just trying to point out that they're the good hearted. I just want to disclose the truth to the public. But yeah, these people that are saying that it all started in Magenta, Italy, are kind of pushing towards a narrative of, oh, we have to fight them. We must develop a technology. They're dangerous. need more funding for weapons and defense. Luigi (58:39) Hmm, alright. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (59:04) It's that kind of narrative. So there's two camps, one that just wants disclosure and one that wants to get in front of it for more funding. Luigi (59:11) Yeah. ZongRuiRui (59:11) But it's pretty obvious what's for truth. Luigi (59:11) I guess it's just. What's the truth? I don't know. Okay, tell me what the obvious truth is. ZongRuiRui (59:13) Of the two. Of the two. Of the two. Of the two. It's pretty obvious that this isn't just a new phenomenon. Rae (59:19) No. Luigi (59:19) Okay ZongRuiRui (59:20) But you can cut through that bullshit pretty easily. But yeah, some of these whistleblowers are saying that. And it's interesting seeing these two camps. Rae (59:22) Yeah. Luigi (59:28) I find, I don't know, the Vatican. ZongRuiRui (59:30) Mm yeah. I mean, they write the ultimate story of all their primary sources. But if you have a PhD in religious studies, you're allowed down into the archives where you can read the truth. And there's a really awesome author, Diana Welsh-Pasolka, who does a lot of talks. That's how I learned about the Miracle of the Sun. She's got two books out on Luigi (59:31) The Vatican. That's weird to me. Yeah. Rae (59:50) you ⁓ Luigi (59:55) Okay, yeah. ZongRuiRui (59:58) religion and aliens and how they're not the same thing, but they are intimately related. You can think of aliens as part of our tree of life, their biology, but then there really are angels and demons. that's the main reason that disclosure is not happening in our military, the United States military. A lot of the top generals say it will bring Luigi (1:00:04) Okay. What? ZongRuiRui (1:00:20) the apocalypse upon earth when people find out about it. ⁓ Luigi (1:00:23) Wait... Wait a minute! Wait a minute! There are angels and there are demons? What?! ZongRuiRui (1:00:26) Public Testimony in front of Congress. Rae (1:00:30) Hold up and step back apparently. ZongRuiRui (1:00:31) Apparently. This is what they thought. This is what they say. Luigi (1:00:34) All and of course, of course this information is found in the Vatican. ZongRuiRui (1:00:39) No, this is what the general is connecting the two. generals, like the main gatekeepers of disclosure in our military industrial complex ⁓ are saying a lot of them are devout Christians and say that this disclosure of this information will bring about the apocalypse. Rae (1:00:45) you Luigi (1:00:56) like it's like ordained, like if you tell them it's gonna happen because it's mystical and it's like an ⁓ incantation. ZongRuiRui (1:01:02) The comic feels that way. Yeah, like if you if everyone learned that you could do witchcraft, imagine the chaos. Luigi (1:01:09) ⁓ yeah, I am a fan. That'd be real fun. ZongRuiRui (1:01:10) So let's not let that, like we banned the anarchist cookbook from public libraries. Luigi (1:01:17) But that to me, that's also a reason, like here's the thing about conspiracy, which is what this is, is that when you try to disprove it, you can't, it becomes all the more powerful in its conspiracy. So they're saying like, don't do it, because if we do it, it's gonna happen, so you can't do it. Well, then of course you can't do it. ZongRuiRui (1:01:37) That was me spitballing. That was my interpretation of it. Like if people find out the true nature of their abilities, like it would just be, what is the role of the government? The government seeks to preserve the stability of society, keep things going. And if we have to swat a few things out of society like nukes, just not have that. Let's just not go that path. Luigi (1:01:43) Okay. ZongRuiRui (1:02:03) then so be it. That's what the government does. They have to do that. And we can't really blame them for keeping disclosure from happening because it will cause some level of chaos. Luigi (1:02:07) Okay. ⁓ Wait, isn't the government's job to serve the citizens? ZongRuiRui (1:02:16) If we demand it, if we demand it, said, but no one's really demanding it. There are a few bills passed. you look at the COVID. Luigi (1:02:24) I guess it kind of goes without saying, think, though. I think by default, I think people are under the impression that, know, ideally the government is to serve the people, to keep order so we can all live in harmony together. ZongRuiRui (1:02:37) Yeah. you know, they're not made aware of the facts. So that's why I think this disclosure bill, the one that started in COVID times and continues to this day with the UADP and UADP2 Act, they keep trying to pass disclosure acts. Just lay it on the table and let the people decide. Just lay the table. We don't need to hear any more whistleblowers. Just make it public, like claim eminent domain over these reverse engineered patents. Let us see them. Luigi (1:02:39) Right. Right? Yeah. ZongRuiRui (1:03:07) and that's been shot down twice by Mike Turner. ⁓ one, one congressman or Senator, one Senator, ⁓ has been shooting it down every time. ⁓ He also, his district contains the, the air force space where all the reverse aircraft go. He's the one, Wright Patterson Air Force Base. He's the, you're the congressman or Senator of that, that just congressman. Yeah. Congressman of that district. ⁓ but he got kicked out by Trump. Luigi (1:03:13) Okay. Rae (1:03:30) Wow. ZongRuiRui (1:03:35) So apparently there's some disclosure happening and they're just trying to figure out how to do it. Luigi (1:03:41) You think Trump doesn't want us to know about aliens? Rae (1:03:43) . ZongRuiRui (1:03:44) This disclosure movement, the current disclosure movement started during Trump's first presidency. It, how related it is, can't, I don't sure. But that's when 2017 is when the New York Times front page article came out detailing all front page, New York Times detailing the crash retrieval program, the bodies, the reverse engineering techniques. Like it's all there. That's the garbage. Luigi (1:03:50) Okay. Yeah. I think, yeah, I think Trump doesn't want it because it would make him look absurd because he thinks there are some people, most people think the idea of aliens is a little silly. ZongRuiRui (1:04:23) So silly. Luigi (1:04:26) Yeah, so he's not, you know, which makes no sense. It's a paradox for Trump because Trump, think, is kind of out there. What's not silly? No, yeah, if there ZongRuiRui (1:04:33) You know what's not silly? The technology that comes with it. There's Rae (1:04:39) Definitely not. Luigi (1:04:40) is technology. Okay. ZongRuiRui (1:04:41) a battle going on right now. And it's what do we do with these patents? So certain companies have been given an advantage, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman. They've been given the secret contracts from this black budget program to reverse engineer this tech. even the full CEOs don't know about this happening within their business. Like, yeah, it's black the whole way through. And what do we do with this once disclosure happens? Are we going to allow people to sue for unfair advantage, these companies? What do we do with the pens? So there's two camps, eminent domain, give it to the public or sell it off to a bunch of private subsidiaries like Silicon Valley and Palantir. That's currently what's going on right now. And it seems like they're trying to get Rae (1:05:09) . Luigi (1:05:22) Okay. ZongRuiRui (1:05:28) shuttle it off to companies like Palantir. Silicon Valley got Mike Pence's ears and balls and so he's kind of listening to them and so Trump's right there. Luigi (1:05:37) So, yeah, so, okay, so you're saying people, once they find out, they're gonna try and sue the companies because the companies like knew something they didn't. ZongRuiRui (1:05:50) Yeah, I mean, Rae (1:05:52) Okay. ⁓ ZongRuiRui (1:05:53) first of all, it was funded by taxpayer dollars. Luigi (1:05:56) okay. Well that makes sense. But could they really s- Okay, go ahead. ZongRuiRui (1:05:57) Yeah, then, yeah, you could easily do antitrust on that. That would be an easy antitrust. And anyone who could get blood off of this amazingly lucrative contract is going to get blood. Lawyers would love this. So yeah, part of the new ADP legislation is how to go about doing it. And that kept getting stripped. Yeah, there's a lot of battles going on right now. And I haven't heard the latest. I haven't heard about the UADP three coming out anytime soon. It's been over a year and a half. So ⁓ Trump didn't make a task force, shook up the FBI, fired a bunch of people. Some of them were on the UFO task force and started complaining like, wow, well, I guess if I'm fired, I'm going to start talking about it. Luigi (1:06:38) Uh, okay, that I can believe. But maybe, maybe Trump fired them because he thought, a waste of money. It's all silly. And those people thought, okay, well now I'm going to tell the truth. But everyone thinks that's so absurd. ZongRuiRui (1:06:51) the problem. Disinformation has been so effective that now that the military is trying to get ahead of the... Yeah, the military's realized that they've had this cancer growing within them and internationally ⁓ for so long and now they're trying to get ahead of the disclosure of it by, you know, hey, maybe we can get some more funding by saying they're the enemy. Yeah, get any kind of benefit you can out of the inevitable. Luigi (1:06:54) Yeah. Right. Yeah. right. ZongRuiRui (1:07:18) Cause it's happening. It's hit critical mass. There's the Saul conference that happens at Stanford every year where Ivy league professors and top military officials get together and talk about timelines of disclosure. I'm talking professors from Harvard and Yale with the top chiefs of like the top meteorologists of the top climatologists of the Navy. Heads the people that Luigi (1:07:21) Right. Rae (1:07:31) . ZongRuiRui (1:07:40) delivered the reports to the president every morning. Like these people are all meeting at Stanford and talking about this. So you can listen to their conversations and see the direction we're going. if you, do you believe that's happening? Like, I don't know what, where the disconnect is between these events that are occurring and like, but maybe it's fake. What are these people doing? What are they doing with their time? They're busy people. Why would they all get together? Luigi (1:07:49) Yeah. Well, I mean, I, why wouldn't it be? I want to know. I want to know who these professors are. What do these professors teach? What faculty faculty do they belong to? Rae (1:08:07) I wanted not to. ZongRuiRui (1:08:07) Prokofiev, astronomy. Rae (1:08:09) I wanted not to. ZongRuiRui (1:08:10) Abby Loeb, professor of astronomy, Gary Nolan, professor of immunology. He's an immunologist. He's got samples. They both got samples. They got some NASCA mummies. Some of the congressmen have met with the researchers from Peru regarding the NASCA mummy. Like, people are taking this seriously. Luigi (1:08:13) Okay. Okay. Hehehehehe Yeah. Those Nazca mummies. Listen, I think those Nazca mummies are fake. I think it's been disproven. Nazca mummies. I'm looking that up. Nazca mummies. Rae (1:08:35) Look, I have... ZongRuiRui (1:08:36) Of course. Yeah, let's look on Google. Hey Google, tell me what to believe. Rae (1:08:39) I... Luigi (1:08:39) But that's the thing. No, see, there you go. That's the thing about conspiracies. go, ⁓ Google's fake. ⁓ the more you like, if you, if you try. ⁓ I don't know how to say it. Like conspiracy is. ZongRuiRui (1:08:51) We're going to be better to have primary source data instead of seeing what Google's there. Rae (1:08:56) Primary source data would be good, but how do you know that it's been corroborated? Yeah. Luigi (1:08:56) Well, I'm saying I'm looking at reputable sources like Yo, that's true. ZongRuiRui (1:09:03) So they live-screened the entire procedure. You could watch it happen. The CT scans, the DNA extraction, you can watch them do the entire process. And then it's on the government website, US government website, NIH. You can download the raw reads, do the analysis yourself, which I did last semester for my project, and see what's going on. Like see for yourself. Instead of saying, Google, is this true? Because it won't tell you. Google's not going to tell you. Luigi (1:09:27) It's gonna say things like they're, they're, they're, they're like made up. They're created. Rae (1:09:27) If you ZongRuiRui (1:09:29) They're say they're fake. Yeah, of course. Because that preserves public stability and that's the goal. Luigi (1:09:37) about to say again. Then now that just sounds like conspiracy. Rae (1:09:40) No, I have some experience with this, actually, because nobody, like, every bigot believes trans people don't exist. Right? And here I am. ZongRuiRui (1:09:41) What do you mean? Luigi (1:09:42) There's a greater conspiracy. Okay, go. WHAAAAT? Alright, yeah, fair. Rae (1:09:53) ⁓ So when you say like these things are happening, it's hard for me to wrap my head around, but I'm trying to keep an open mind for it because I haven't seen that evidence. So I don't want to just go, ⁓ no, this is not a thing. It's hard for me to believe. Like, yeah, it blends the field of conspiracy, but then you get people that say we haven't been to the moon, right? So their perspective must be the same as mine is right now about this. So, yeah, that's where I am. Luigi (1:10:29) The thing about things like these these Nazca mummies is that like people have looked at them and said, you know, they're made from like animal bones, you know, glued together. ZongRuiRui (1:10:39) Yeah, who is they? Rae (1:10:40) they've been like constructed. ZongRuiRui (1:10:43) I've heard from many people. These samples have been sent to researchers in University of Edinburgh, in Virginia, here in the States, in Japan, Stanford, and they've all been deemed authentic. The Peruvian government just came out in February saying these are authentic organisms. So who was they when you say they? Luigi (1:10:43) Yeah! Okay, yeah. Authentic how? Okay, I'm talking about like, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever news media outlets. But when they say all these samples are authentic, what samples are they being sent? And authentic how? How can you have an authentic alien? You have no point of reference. You're just making ZongRuiRui (1:11:12) the Peruvian Congress. Peruvian Congress looked at the actual mummies and said they were unmolested organisms, aka they don't show no signs of cuts or fabrication anywhere on their bodies. They are authentic organisms. Whatever they are, the statement says, go look at it. I mean, it's gonna be in Spanish. It's called. Luigi (1:11:22) Yeah. Hmm... I caution you against. I call shenanigans. And this is, I, listen, Latin America's full of corruption. I don't know if I can believe the government there. Why would they say that? Maybe Peru, a pretty poor country, needs the tourism. Imagine, imagine. Imagine, ⁓ come to Peru where aliens landed. Wow, there's a tourist industry. They're gonna get some money. Rae (1:11:45) All right. We need. ZongRuiRui (1:11:50) I can give you that. I can give you that, sure. Not that they're. Rae (1:11:59) That's true. ZongRuiRui (1:12:00) No, that's right. Hey, I'm not 100 % aliens either, because that's not how science works. can't just unless you actually see unless aliens like standing right there. But even then it's like, oh, somebody causing hallucination in me. Maybe like it's really hard to say 100%. Let me just feel that. Yeah, OK, that's nearly that. Yep. Sorry, was that rude for your culture? Rae (1:12:00) But. Luigi (1:12:01) I don't know. Rae (1:12:08) Yeah. Luigi (1:12:10) Yeah, okay. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (1:12:24) Okay. Luigi (1:12:25) Again, I want to believe. I want to believe so bad. Just like I want to believe in ghosts. Man, so fun. Tell me try and kill you. ZongRuiRui (1:12:30) Listening to some of these stories, Rae (1:12:30) Yeah. ZongRuiRui (1:12:33) like Chernobyl, there's a very common thread among sightings. They always seem to appear around nuclear radiation. Luigi (1:12:41) Okay. I didn't know. ZongRuiRui (1:12:42) Chernobyl, Fukushima, nuclear weapon testing, where we're mining it, refining it, manufacturing it. It follows a timeline as we develop these technologies. Yeah. Luigi (1:12:47) Okay, well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Wait a minute. Okay, you said Fukushima. Didn't we also have a debate about that years ago? The Fukushima, the videos of of of spaceships in Fukushima, like UFOs in the sky. And it was just a matter. It was a matter of perspective. It was a matter of perspective. What people thought were UFOs was just like the the sea. I don't know the sea level. And you saw the boats in the water, but it was so dark. ZongRuiRui (1:12:58) Whether they're in... Yeah. There's a lot in different angles. see, those are some stuff. Luigi (1:13:19) It looked like the sky so people declared those were aliens. they said, that's a spaceship. ZongRuiRui (1:13:24) Perhaps we can debunk one source. if you look at the hundreds of thousands of sighting sources, encounters and sightings, you can start to see patterns. And one thing is they seem to be swatting radioactive technology out of our hands, like bad toddlers, put down that knife. They seem to just be taking care of Earth. That seems to be the common thread. I'll leave it at that. Luigi (1:13:28) Okay. Yeah. Right. Rae (1:13:48) Yeah. That makes it like the I really love the benevolent idea. Like caretakers of the galaxy. Like. ⁓ Luigi (1:13:49) Alright, okay. That assumes aliens are benevolent. Rae (1:14:01) Yeah, but I would like to assume that. I try to assume that everybody is benevolent before I do prove another one. ZongRuiRui (1:14:02) least once in a blue. In a perfect world. Luigi (1:14:10) sure. ⁓ yeah, I mean, if something really is benevolent, it would leave us alone. It wouldn't even bother coming, you know? Rae (1:14:14) And it just makes... It makes more sense for me to for something to be hyper hyper intelligent and waiting for like the Star Trek idea of when you reach a certain level of society in Star Trek it was FTL drives. Once that happens then you get introduced into like this galactic order. And if we, if you're close enough, you might have caretakers, but they have like a non-interference policy, right? Or, or a secrecy policy, whatever it might be. What I don't, what I find kind of hard to understand is if they are all of that, why are there spaceships crashing? How does that happen? ZongRuiRui (1:14:58) Yeah, back to that hard question. Yeah, it seems like they're donating and sometimes. Or they seem to always crash in certain areas like Arizona, New Mexico, and those are areas with gravitational anomalies. ⁓ Earth is not even gravity all the way around it. There are wells like around India where it's really low gravity, and that seems to throw them off. And those areas seem to have crashes more often. Luigi (1:15:05) That's the other thing. Hmm Okay. Rae (1:15:16) Yeah. Luigi (1:15:20) Huh, I didn't know. Rae (1:15:23) So there's ships. Okay. Luigi (1:15:23) Now, well, why not crashes with just regular aircraft from Earth? Or does that happen? ZongRuiRui (1:15:30) Oh yeah, they've crashed into, they seem to get really close. There was one story of a Japanese airline just flying between, I mean, it's just passing Alaska going into Siberia. like, it was bigger than a semi truck wide UFO flying right next to it. And it just went right in front of the cockpit window so that it was just completely blocking all site. The pilot and co-pilot just shat their pants. What was it doing? Luigi (1:15:40) Yeah. Okay. Okay. WHY? Why? ZongRuiRui (1:15:56) I don't know, it flew Luigi (1:15:57) Why? ZongRuiRui (1:15:57) away, it flew away after that. Luigi (1:15:59) But why would you do that? Like that I don't understand. Why would these aliens do that? It makes no sense to me. ZongRuiRui (1:16:00) I don't know. We're trying to describe human life rationality. Yeah, it's weird. What are they doing? Rae (1:16:06) It makes no sense. Yeah, we do need, we need, we need to go on to the next topic. We need to hear Luigi's prompt. ZongRuiRui (1:16:13) Yeah, Luigi (1:16:13) But my topic, my topic Rae (1:16:14) So, so hold on, hold on. Luigi (1:16:15) wasn't aliens and stuff. It was all about conspiracy and aliens. ZongRuiRui (1:16:21) We lost Luigi. Rae (1:16:21) Your topic was not aliens. Aliens was my topic. Luigi (1:16:24) Aliens was your topic? Rae (1:16:26) Yeah. Luigi (1:16:26) Nah, mine was, no, I said he mentioned aliens and that was the thing. I said that's why I brought him on. Actually, mine was, this is all bled together, but I knew we were going to talk about aliens at some point. Mine was about, in general, conspiracy in general. Rae (1:16:41) ⁓ I see. I see, okay. Conspiracy in general. Luigi (1:16:47) Like conspiracy. Yeah. ZongRuiRui (1:16:48) Yeah, explain why I think the government's doing it. Well, also, any entity wants to preserve itself. So even that program started out with just the crash from Magenta, Italy, and probably started out with Magenta, Italy. ⁓ And it just wanted to preserve itself in its funding ever since. You don't want to see everyone get fired and go on to do different things. ⁓ If disclosure came out or, you know, Luigi (1:17:10) Why would they get fired though? ZongRuiRui (1:17:15) Well, that's pretty much the only thing. Luigi (1:17:15) But I don't, who would get fired for disclosure is my question. ZongRuiRui (1:17:20) Well, everyone involved in this, yeah, like what's gonna happen to the government employees who are complicit in this? Because you know, there's definitely people in the government who know. Luigi (1:17:26) I mean, the same kind of stuff that happens to employees that are complicit in anything. If it's bad and they get out, I guess they'll get fired. What happened to the people? ZongRuiRui (1:17:34) But it's super compartmentalized. So each person's only given the tidbit of info. It's like little bit of truth surrounded by a candy coat of misinformation. Sorry, candy coat of truth and then a big nugget of misinformation. And each person only knows what they need to know. There's a few people, a small group, that knows everything. And then they compartmentalize this thing so no one can piece it all together. So a lot of people are going around spitting their version of the truth. They have some of the knowledge, but a lot of it wrong. Rae (1:18:04) Do you think that the presidential suite, the Oval Office, knows the truth? But not all of them? And Trump, okay. ZongRuiRui (1:18:08) A few presidents have been briefed, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Obama, and Trump. Bush was told. Luigi (1:18:17) Okay, yeah. ZongRuiRui (1:18:19) Yeah, Trump's been told. Luigi (1:18:20) But this is probably just like stuff they have to do like, you know, it's on the checklist. Mr. President, we've got the alien guys and they're just going, all right, bring them in. ZongRuiRui (1:18:26) But the rest weren't known. Actually, I think Reagan knew, but I don't think he was briefed. ⁓ Woodrow Wilson. Yes, the Wilson Davis, it's very famous. Luigi (1:18:36) What about ZongRuiRui (1:18:39) Wilson Davis memo. Wilson Davis memo has got a lot of juicy info. Luigi (1:18:40) the Rothschilds? What about the Rothschilds? Did Nathan Rothschild know about aliens? ZongRuiRui (1:18:49) Probably. I mean, why wouldn't they? Luigi (1:18:52) How many other governments know about aliens and talk about aliens is my question. ZongRuiRui (1:18:56) So that just goes to show you how compartmentalized our new cycles are. France has already admitted it. They've released all their UFO files. Brazil's released them. China's done it. admitted they have a program. Luigi (1:19:09) I'm looking it up. China's done it? They have a program. Every government has a program for unidentified flying objects because it's an issue of military safety, I guess. You want... ZongRuiRui (1:19:23) Yeah, yeah, true, very true. But also, like, imagine the little disclosure programs that bubbled up over the last 70 years. know, like, people caught wind of something smells off and they're starting to dig into and they're like, wow, there's something here. And so they develop ⁓ a little faction of people who are like, wow, something is big and that it's unseen. We need to like bring this to light. And then those things go up and then get nipped in the bud, bubbled up like with Roswell nipped in the bud, bubbled up with Rae (1:19:47) . ZongRuiRui (1:19:51) the COVID relief bill nipped in the bud with arrow. Like this thing keep, these little programs keep trying to sniff out this larger international program that's. Luigi (1:20:01) But could that be, could that be like, you know, nipped in the bud? Could that be, you know, the government knowing about like just public hysteria and knowing the absurdity and saying like, this is, this is bad and this is going to cause so much chaos and it's just not true. We have to stop. Rae (1:20:02) . ZongRuiRui (1:20:14) See you. That's catastrophic. Whoa, I don't know about not true. There's something, there's a there there, okay? There's things flying in the air. There's people having religious experiences when they get abducted. There's time missing. There's radiation damage in these people. There's clear patterns of physical interaction with something metaphysical. Luigi (1:20:39) Okay. All right. I guess. ZongRuiRui (1:20:43) The only thing we can do is look for patterns in the data. They seem to be cleaning up earth. That seems to be common. They don't seem to be killing humans. They've been here longer than us. Rae (1:20:47) . Luigi (1:20:52) Wait, ZongRuiRui (1:20:55) So Chernobyl, there was a UFO, supposedly appeared above it, shined like a flashlight type beam down on the radioactive core that was melting down and radiation dropped by 75%. Luigi (1:21:05) Okay. Who saw this? ZongRuiRui (1:21:10) surrounding firemen and people. Luigi (1:21:12) What was this called? have to fact check this. Aliens cleaning up Chernobyl? No. ZongRuiRui (1:21:15) We're noble. So Steven Spielberg made a four-part series called Encounters on Netflix, and one of them is about the Chernobyl and Fukushima events and how they seem to chase radiation. Luigi (1:21:29) It was a... This was... This was the documentary. ZongRuiRui (1:21:32) It's on Netflix, yeah, it's called Encounters. Spielberg. Spielberg got all the deeds. He made ET. ET looks just like the Nazca mummies. He's got all the deeds, He's got all the deeds. He's the fat deeds. They look identical. Luigi (1:21:39) Okay. ⁓ It's true. but which mummies look like the Mac and me mummies? Those are the weird ones. ZongRuiRui (1:21:50) starting to piece it together. Luigi (1:21:53) My goodness. So much, so much, so much to unpack. I don't even know. ZongRuiRui (1:21:58) It's a lot. I've spent the last two years trying to put this all together. I just defended my thesis last Wednesday. It was the future of humanity class. He has one day where we talk about the Fermi paradox and he goes through the 10 options of why we don't see it. one of them, number seven was governments lying to us. I'm like, oh, okay, I have something. I just popped off. Rae (1:21:59) Okay. Luigi (1:22:02) Yeah, I know. Okay. Do you think the government's lying to you? ZongRuiRui (1:22:21) ⁓ I mean, ignorance is lying. Luigi (1:22:24) Ignorance is lying. No, I wouldn't say ignorance is lying. Ignorance is just not knowing. I think to lie, a lie means like, you know, you're, you're act, you're, yeah, intentional. ZongRuiRui (1:22:26) know that most of them are not lying. Intentional. Rae (1:22:33) So the government as a whole, the government as a whole is not complicit in it necessarily, is what you're saying. ZongRuiRui (1:22:42) Most of them are. The vast majority. Rae (1:22:44) Yeah. Interesting. Luigi (1:22:45) Hmm, okay. ZongRuiRui (1:22:46) So there was an incident where a craft went down just south of the border of New Mexico or in Arizona in Mexico. apparently there was a quick call between generals in both countries. And Mexico said, we're getting it. But there's satellite imagery of the Mexican special agents getting there. then Luigi (1:22:54) Yeah. ⁓ Yeah. ZongRuiRui (1:23:10) Getting it onto a truck and then the next satellite image, you see all of them just laying on the ground. And a couple images later, the truck's gone and so is the craft. Apparently we got there. We wanted it like, no, we get dips. These are the things. Brazil has so many UFOs. Oh, man. 2021? Rae (1:23:24) . Luigi (1:23:26) It sounds really cool. again why why all why in that why in yes ZongRuiRui (1:23:37) South America. Right. Seems to be that nice strip of the Amazon. They like it there. Luigi (1:23:43) because it's just, there's so much foliage. It's disappearing. Disappearing from beef farms. ⁓ I don't know. ZongRuiRui (1:23:51) But there was a two month. For about two months in Coladas, Brazil, there was basically an invasion where there was just UFOs there every day, constantly swarming around. They're called chupa chupa because they would send this little thing and suck blood out of people apparently. Maybe. Yeah. ⁓ Rae (1:23:57) you you Luigi (1:24:12) Chupacabra, right? Come on, we're talking about cryptids? More conspiracy. Are cryptids real? ZongRuiRui (1:24:19) But you can see why it's all connected. Rae (1:24:21) I think, I think, you know what? think, Ryan, I think we need to invite you on for another podcast. ZongRuiRui (1:24:28) I haven't done much on Christie. Luigi (1:24:28) Yeah! Rae (1:24:29) focused, focused, especially just focused on conspiracy theories encrypted. Luigi (1:24:36) Well Ruby, what else would you like to talk about? ZongRuiRui (1:24:38) That squash is real. Rae (1:24:38) I wanna be honest with you guys. I'm falling asleep here. I'm quite tired. It's not because you're bored. It's not because you're boring. It's because I'm struggling to keep up with everything. yeah. I can... ZongRuiRui (1:24:44) I do have a presentation I need to give. Luigi (1:24:44) What? We're into it. ZongRuiRui (1:24:54) do have to give a presentation right now, too. It's all good. Luigi (1:24:55) This is what happens. This is what happens when you don't come to a pair with a question. Rae (1:24:59) I can leave the room open if you guys wanna keep chatting. ZongRuiRui (1:25:02) Let's continue later because I do need to get this presentation finished. haven't finished it and I have to put it in an hour and a Luigi (1:25:02) No! Okay. Rae (1:25:09) Okay, are you keen on coming again? Then I'll keep the chat group open. Luigi (1:25:09) Fair. ZongRuiRui (1:25:13) Yeah, sure thing. Sure thing. Luigi (1:25:15) We'll try and be, Ruby and I will try and be in the same room next time. Rae (1:25:19) Yeah, that'll be better, I think. It'll make things easier. Anyway. Yeah. You have a good day. Thanks for coming on. ZongRuiRui (1:25:20) ⁓ what's downtime? Sounds good. Yeah, me too. It was awesome. Glad talking to you. Rae (1:25:30) And yeah. Luigi (1:25:31) Very fun. Rae (1:25:32) Bye. Luigi (1:25:32) See ya!