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Hello, welcome to Kaleidoscope. My name is Ruby

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Ray Liu, and today I am joined with Luigi again

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from episode one. That's what he looks like.

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And my good old friend, Tom, from the early days

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of China, Thomas Monroe. Thank you. Do you want

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to give yourself an introduction? Pleasure. Ruby

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and I used to work together back in the days

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of yore when we were both up in Tianjin. I believe

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we're both still working in education. Our paths

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have taken us different ways now. Great to see

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you again. It's been a long, long time. It has.

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In July, I will make an effort to go to Guangzhou.

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Yeah, sure. I'm currently filming this on our

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balcony. Guangzhou is famous for hot and humid

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weather, and it's just broken out into rain.

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Yeah. Yeah, same here. Yeah. And the wind is

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insane. Joined by a pair of cats, but you may

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notice this is taco taco. Yeah How many cats

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Tom? Two i've got a taco bell and bp. What's

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pp stand for british petroleum big pussy Fair

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enough Um, I liked british petroleum it was pc,

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you know Just means big cat that's all I meant.

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Yeah, sure big cat Yeah, sure Wait, I have a

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question real quick. You guys said you used to

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work in education. Who's changed? Who's changed?

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I think Tom you're still in education. Yeah.

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Yeah, right. Yeah, I'm I teach down here nowadays

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Yeah, fair enough. It's also IB. Yeah, I work

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in an IB school. Really? So in the first episode

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we kind of went into Slandering IB in general.

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I don't want this to be like found footage Many

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years later when I apply for a new job, so I'm

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gonna I'm gonna be in full support of IB curriculum

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Everything has its flaws. That's all that's all

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I'm gonna say. Yeah, sure thing Would you like

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a self introduction for me? Oh Man well, I'm

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a teacher too, dude That's it. I'm from Canada,

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Todd. Oh, cool. Ruby says you're a self -proclaimed

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troll, I guess. I mean. Well, what is that about?

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Explain to me. Just because it's incredibly easy

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and funny to make redditors very angry. OK, fair.

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Yeah. Because I enjoy using Reddit, but at the

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same time, I recognize it's like a massive hive

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mind, especially when you subdivide into different

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subreddits. And it's a group of people who all

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think exactly the same way come together. But

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you could just walk in there and say something

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provocative, and they will all take it very seriously.

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Keep sending you messages for weeks about how

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wrong you are. Yeah, that's a good point. It's

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an interesting dynamic. Who's your number one

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target on Reddit? What's your favorite thing

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that's happened? A trick I like to do is with

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British people and then you know how like back

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in 1066 the Normans came to invade England? No,

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I don't. I don't, but okay, go ahead. Okay, British

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people know this and then you should say, well

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actually the Normans were French, which is historically

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debatable. But then it just makes all the British

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people really, really angry if you say that the

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French people conquered us. And I just find it

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funny. Okay, so it's like, basically it's a French

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-English feud. It's the reason the French hate

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the English and the English hate the French.

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That would be one example of things I've done

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many times. But obviously with political stuff

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that goes on, Rezit is very, very easy to rile

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up. Because you just need to say something that's

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slightly not politically correct. or counter

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to the subreddits where you are. And even if

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it's like a somewhat salient point, it doesn't

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have to be. Even if it is, people will get enraged.

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And I find it funny, but also a little bit sad

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that you can't have open communication between

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people of different viewpoints nowadays. Well,

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that's what this is. You don't have to share

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it for your viewpoints. You don't have to agree

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with us. We'll see what happens. Fair enough.

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Why don't you kick us off, since we've both been

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on the podcast before? Okay, sure. The prompt

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you gave me was extremely broad. It's like, come

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in with a viewpoint or perspective. Which could

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be just about anything. Recently, my wife and

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I came back from vacation in Malaysia. it's a

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beautiful country um but my mistake would be

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social media ruins vacations okay yeah okay yeah

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yeah you you go on you go on stuff like uh in

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english is or instagram or or tiktok and you'll

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constantly see like amazing like photos and videos

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of this place you want to go to but just make

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it look fantastic and wonderful and beautiful

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and then Naturally, when you go there in real

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life and you can't recreate that exact perfect

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experience, you feel let down. And you put that

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place on a pedestal and you're like, well, mine

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wasn't as good as that person. Therefore, I've

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been ripped off. I've been scammed. I feel disappointed.

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And this has happened to us a couple of times.

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And now I've just stopped caring about anything

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else, other people's photos. I've stopped using

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all these apps. I barely even post myself when

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I go on vacation nowadays. For example, one specific

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example would be we went on a boat tour from

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Langkawi Island. And if you are very lucky, you

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might see dolphins or even a whale. On that day,

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we didn't see anything. The wife was just like...

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Furious, furious. Like, oh, you know, we got

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scammed, we got ripped off, the driver is lazy,

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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, whoa,

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calm down. It was a lovely boat ride. We saw

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monkeys, we saw eagles, we saw fish, like the

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sun was shining, we got to go swimming. And it

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was a really enjoyable day. But if you just focus

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on the, I like the social media. then you'll

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always be disappointed. That's completely the

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opposite of what I expected you were going to

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say. Really? Yeah. I thought you were going to

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say social media destroys holidays because all

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you want to do is like people go onto social

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media just to take pictures, to browse or to

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take pictures and it disrupts the holiday, the

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flow of the holiday. But your perspective is

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- That's what I think. but that's way less interesting

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if you become obsessed with like having to take

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like perfect photos of every dish you eat and

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like making it look perfect and they're like

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curating curating your posts and like photoshopping

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stuff so you'll get like the maximum amount of

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likes then that also sucks yeah like you should

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just chill out live in the real world i think

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it depends i think it depends on the person i

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think you're just that person tom you're the

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just that kind of person who that will ruin your

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life whereas you have people who are I'll say

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can I say unhinged who just want to take pictures

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of everything they want people they want sometimes

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I feel like people want like the the draw of

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social media and documenting your life is a kind

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of existential crisis where life is so mundane

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and that bothers people so they have to take

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a picture to prove to others even to prove to

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themselves that life is, you know, worthwhile

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and interesting. So there's that dynamic, which

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I think I think that's true. I think if a person

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feels like they're kind of like if it kind of

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feels like work to take a picture, it kind of

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causes like a little a little bit of anxiety.

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I think then potentially show they're probably

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they probably feel that way. They're trying to

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like validate. their existence. But then there's

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the other people who are, you know, influencers

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and their whole life is, they got to take pictures

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of everything and it empowers them. I think we

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should get rid of them. What's that? Like be

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gone with the influences. No, I want to be an

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influencer. It's a relevant market, Tom. God,

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it just sucks though. Is that envy talking? I

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don't know. No, I mean, why do you not like,

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that's another question. Why don't you like influencers.

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I can say I don't like influencers because I'm

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envious. It also takes the magic out of traveling,

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right? Yeah. Like you go to a new place and vacations

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are expensive, so naturally you want to optimize

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everything, like make it perfect, like oh on

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this day we've got a schedule where we have to

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go to these places and take photos of this spot

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to look like that person. We must go to this

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restaurant because it's trending and there's

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like no wonder, no exploration anymore. Even

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though I'm 31 years old, we actually stay in

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a youth hostel. But when we get there, everyone

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is just playing on their phones. And you don't

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actually talk to anyone anymore. Because as soon

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as you go to Malaysia, you can get like a week

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long unlimited days of SIM cards for like two

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bucks. Oh, that's cool. So there's like no pressure

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on you anymore. It's just like being in China,

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but with just different scenery. if you just

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say continues to be online all the time it sucks

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yeah why why traveling what's the point so then

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my my question then is you know there's the people

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on their phones documenting everything and and

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then like when i hear that i think is that just

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one dynamic of tourism let's say phones and Instagram

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or whatever, whatever social media didn't exist.

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There would still be those groups of people going

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to the tourist spots. And then there's the other

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kind of person who doesn't want to go to tourist

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spots. Like me personally, I don't like the draw

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of going to tourist spots and taking pictures

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of myself beside, you know, a landmark. I think

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it's I don't think it's I don't know. I don't

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think it matters. You might want I guess in the

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past people took it because photos really had

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a kind of like relevance you could share with

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people. They were kind of they were like Like

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like totems, you know people they had them and

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then they brought them out to show people they

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weren't so accessible So there was this more

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kind of like, uh, I don't know. Let's say magic

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behind them But now it's so instantaneous with

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pictures everybody's and now it's kind of like

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i'm i'm the in group i'm part of the in group

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Look, I also went the leaning tower pizza. I

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did this look i'm pushing it and but you know,

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even before that everyone did it They just didn't

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have You know a little phone a little computer

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in their hand to show it instantaneously. Yeah,

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so I I invested in an old camera like an old

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film camera. It's an Olympus mu2 like like the

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Pokemon mu2. Yeah and I get like a set number

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of photos, depends how much film I bring with

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me on vacation. And then if I want to get them

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processed, I need to send them off to like some

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guy. It takes two weeks and I get them back and

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I can put them in a photo album. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah. And that is my totem. And it's not like

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sharing with everyone on the internet. It's maybe

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for like me and my family, you know? Yeah, it's

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a lot more a lot more stakes when you do that

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old kind of media and you have a camera. I also

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have an Olympus. I do it my way because it feels

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like it has a lot more meaning, you know? Yeah.

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And it's a lot more intimate and it's a lot more

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cool. Basically, it's nostalgic, right? Yeah.

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Yeah, I think there's nostalgia behind that.

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But I think also, again, like I said, there's

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more stakes behind wasting film and really thinking

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about the composition. you're gonna document

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something right yeah with phones it's expensive

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so many pictures can be taken yeah and it kind

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of cheapens the experience it's expensive and

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you can't check it after you take a photo so

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you might like send the film off two weeks later

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you get it back and like oh that one says i'm

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like crap oh no Like that one just has like a

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massive glare in the lens so you can't see anything.

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And that's how ghosts were discovered. So we

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get all the ghosts in pictures. Nobody thought

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about it. Yeah, I agree. I would definitely say

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travel is inundated by everybody taking a picture

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on their phone. It's kind of unsettling. I think

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maybe the idea of having film cameras or having

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digital cameras and just being able to take a

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thousand photos has escalated that problem, for

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sure. Because now you can take a photo everywhere.

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And you can take a thousand photos everywhere.

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You don't have to think about which one you want.

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Right, but then the other question is why this

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urge to have to take a picture of everything?

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I hate taking photos let me just say but I feel

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I have to do it and then I have I always catch

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myself like I was driving to an island last weekend

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and the the scenery the the water was so beautiful

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while I was driving on the bridge and I thought

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oh I need to I need to take a picture with my

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phone I need to get this but there's there's

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you know your your perception beyond the camera

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is totally different you can never really catch

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it catch what you're viewing from the the camera

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phone it's not the same um but it's But then

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it kind of it also takes you away from just being

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present and just having that memory yourself

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Why do I really need to show it with do I really

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want to take a picture of this to remember it?

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Or to show it to people that I care about or

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to somehow Validate myself to the rest of the

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world like look what I have. I have this kind

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of I'm part of this I don't know charm circle

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Yeah, people just want that they want the count

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right? Yeah Yes, you post something you post

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something but none of your friends have posted

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before because you went on vacation somewhere

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cool and then you get all the likes of any feel

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special and you get the Endorphin rush like all

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the serotonin or whatever goes to your brain

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and then it feels good for a moment Yeah, but

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you should have the serotonin in the moment instead

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of stressing about Like getting a good social

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media post. You should just sit back and enjoy

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the boat ride like as you're like cruising along

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by the beach exactly that and like revel in it

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because that's a unique unique experience you

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probably will experience again for at least one

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more year or a while anyway i mean i completely

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agree with your observations both of yours but

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my perspective is a little bit different because

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i have been posting more online lately than before

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but i'm not posting photos and um it's I'm kind

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of harking back to the idea of blogging and sharing

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thoughts and feelings. I mean, that's what this

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podcast is as well, right? It perspectives beyond

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the surface, not just what you see in a picture

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or what you did today or how you're cooler than

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everybody else. I honestly, I don't give a fuck.

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What I want to know is you. Yeah, I'd rather.

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Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I mean. Blogging is really

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a form of like journalism. Yes in a way and I'm

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okay. I'm okay with that I Could respect that

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yeah, it doesn't it doesn't drain your it doesn't

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drain or take away from your experiences And

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if like I'm completely done for someone going

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Instead of going on Instagram three posts a day

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on like this cool picture this cool picture this

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cool picture I I can respect that but I know

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that you went and you sat on Photoshop and you

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edited this photo for X amount of time and then

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you posted it on Instagram and you're pretending

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like your life is great when it might not be.

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Like hopefully it is. I don't wish ill on you

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but what would be cooler is if you incorporated

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that photo into a longer form media and then

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told us about your holiday. So you think the

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blog will come back? No, no way. It's not gonna

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come back. It's not gonna come back. Like, I'm

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realistic. It's a nice sentiment. I want blogs

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to come back. I don't want to take pictures of

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myself. You used to be a blogger. Yeah, I did.

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I used to be a blogger. So, you know, I don't

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want to take pictures of myself. I don't think

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I'm as nearly as, like, photo -worthy as all

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the other, you know, cauliflower -headed. children

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who are influencers now. And that sucks for me,

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but when I wrote, foo foo, boy did I have a voice,

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I loved it. But nobody reads! Then I'm gonna

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sound like an old person. Nobody reads anymore!

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I don't begrudge influences their influence.

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I don't begrudge them their sphere and the things

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that they do. I think it's cool. I respect it.

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But I think that the way that social media, short

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-form videos and stuff like that is taking over.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's good. That's the thing now.

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You've got to take like one minute clips from

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this with like all the jokes in it and make a

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YouTube short so that people will come and watch

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this one. I'm doing that. And you know what?

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My shorts suck because they're not like the engagement

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on the shorts. Not short enough. They're not

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short enough. Yeah. And I'm like, it's 30 seconds.

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What the fuck more do you want? How do I? It's

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30 seconds of somebody literally pouring their

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heart out into a fucking wine glass, and you're

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not interested. So, okay, with that in mind,

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you guys obviously travel more than me. Sure.

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How often would you say you see... Much more

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than me, by the way. I don't travel that much.

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How often would you say, like, what's the kind

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of tourist, the kind of social media tourist

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you see? Just photo taking, or are they creating...

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content for views. One of the best things about

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being a teacher is the long vacations. I work

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at an international school so I get about three

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months of vacation a year. So we go on quite

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a few vacations and one place that hurt me the

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most out of anywhere was Japan. I heard it's

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getting bad. because I remember when I was a

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kid I watched anime and I put champagne on this

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pedestal I was like oh it's gonna be this amazing

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wonderful place where everything will be awesome

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and cool and fun and every moment will be excitement

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and you know for like the ease of our first time

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going in we went to Tokyo Kyoto and Osaka which

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like the three most touristy places in the entire

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nation and we went in like July which was like

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peak season so everywhere we were going, we were

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battling with crowds. Yeah. And also having lived

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in China for a long time, that sort of corrupts

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my innocence, you know. It's like, oh, they have

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Buddhist temples with big buddhas. Well, I've

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already seen all those in China. They have noodles

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and dumplings. Well, we have noodles and dumplings.

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Oh, they have onsen. We have wenquan. So like

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lots of stuff wasn't unique and fresh as I wanted

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it to be. And then every single place we were

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going was just jam -packed full of tourists all

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doing exactly the same thing. And I got there

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and I was just standing around like, why are

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we here? What are we doing? Why did a thousand

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people come to this street corner? And I just,

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I could not fathom what we were actually doing

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with our time. It's like, I paid so much money

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to come here and it's a street corner with some

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billboards. Like, all the magic just all drained

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out of it. That's when I started becoming more

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and more cynical about tourism. Poor Tom, he's

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grown up. He's grown up. One of the things that

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I've always wanted for myself is to never get

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on a tour bus. That's like one of the rules.

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I think now I want to get on a tour bus. Because

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I've said it for so long and I'm thinking, maybe

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I should just go on a tour bus. You will be disappointed.

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See what happens. Depends on the tour guide and

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where they take you. The only tour bus I want

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to get on is one that stops at vineyards. Yeah.

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Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah. Can it be a crap

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brewery? It can be both. Anywhere where I can

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get drunk. Agreed. Yeah. How much of the... I'm

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trying to articulate this. How much of... The

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the the the fact that social media destroys holidays

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is a product of wrongful media portrayal or oh

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Sure, okay, there's two dynamics to that so there

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is the person who Feels that they must document

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themselves in their vacation or else it is a

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waste and then there are the people who are also

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on in the area of the vacation are getting in

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the way. So like, which one are you? Why are

00:22:04.890 --> 00:22:06.789
you sad about that? Are you sad because my photos

00:22:06.789 --> 00:22:11.309
aren't great? Are you sad because all these people

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are taking pictures of themselves? Like, are

00:22:12.990 --> 00:22:16.589
you an NPC? No, I think it's just like, it's

00:22:16.589 --> 00:22:18.769
like people are doing like chasing the dragon,

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you know, they're addicts. Yeah. It's a social

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media addiction. I think there's some truth to

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that. it's all about like pride and arrogance

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and like trying to show you are the best or you've

00:22:30.210 --> 00:22:32.430
had the best experience you are the most unique

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person out of all the people in your like contact

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list and it's like no just chill out like just

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live in the moment like be that meme nobody's

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on their phone live in the moment and it's actually

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a good point like that's really what you should

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be doing On my flight back, we were sitting behind

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a couple who went to the same place as on Langkawi

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Island, and they had got engaged. And the entire

00:23:04.069 --> 00:23:07.769
flight, this girl in front of me was just photoshopping

00:23:07.769 --> 00:23:12.730
all of her engagement photos to make her boobs

00:23:12.730 --> 00:23:17.750
look slightly bigger and take away... slight,

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like, facial, like, wrinkles and stuff like that.

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Adam, like, wasn't it a happy moment anyway?

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Like, do you really need to give yourself an

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extra cup size for your engagement photos to

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make it a more valuable experience? Uh, well,

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I mean, the obvious answer is no, but who knows

00:23:37.410 --> 00:23:39.450
why she was doing it. Yes, it is because she's

00:23:39.450 --> 00:23:43.569
going to post it. Like, on her Instagram and

00:23:43.569 --> 00:23:45.509
all her friends have looked. Here's what I think.

00:23:45.809 --> 00:23:49.829
I think it's... I understand the... I understand

00:23:49.829 --> 00:23:54.349
the desire for a larger cup size. Well, we're

00:23:54.349 --> 00:23:55.990
getting out of time. Yeah, a little cup size.

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It's got to do with the photo being unflattering.

00:24:00.349 --> 00:24:04.069
That's what it is. This person... Everybody wants

00:24:04.069 --> 00:24:08.829
a good photo. So, you know, they have to Photoshop.

00:24:09.019 --> 00:24:11.339
their photos until they're satisfied with how

00:24:11.339 --> 00:24:13.140
these people are worried i'm gonna look ugly

00:24:13.140 --> 00:24:15.299
that's it well i think if you post something

00:24:15.299 --> 00:24:18.700
real then real friends will like it if you post

00:24:18.700 --> 00:24:20.940
something fake then fake friends will like it

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okay it'll be real ugly that's the problem like

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i i post real ugly photos of me i don't mind

00:24:31.359 --> 00:24:33.920
maybe we should you you have more self -confidence

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like the more pertinent question is how much

00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:41.319
photoshop is too much because like color saturation

00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.779
sure right why not i think i think okay people

00:24:44.779 --> 00:24:46.740
just don't know photography and they don't know

00:24:46.740 --> 00:24:50.039
the rules and so and this is again because of

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i think phones today it's just so instant they

00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:55.339
just take a picture i'll fix it after instead

00:24:55.339 --> 00:24:58.380
of thinking about like you know tom got his his

00:24:58.380 --> 00:25:00.259
olympus and he really has to think about his

00:25:00.259 --> 00:25:02.730
composition You gotta know photo theory, you

00:25:02.730 --> 00:25:04.109
gotta know rule of thirds, you gotta know all

00:25:04.109 --> 00:25:08.930
that stuff. So for me, like, I had, I walked

00:25:08.930 --> 00:25:12.630
into a fucking pole a couple of months ago, okay?

00:25:12.890 --> 00:25:15.829
And I had this scar on my leg for a long time.

00:25:15.950 --> 00:25:18.250
And every time I took a photo, I edited out that

00:25:18.250 --> 00:25:21.210
scar. I personally, I don't think that's too

00:25:21.210 --> 00:25:24.190
bad. But I didn't change the shape of my body,

00:25:24.509 --> 00:25:27.029
right? And I think once you start changing the

00:25:27.029 --> 00:25:29.670
shape of things, maybe that's questionable. This

00:25:29.670 --> 00:25:32.059
is another topic. that we've diverged off of.

00:25:32.059 --> 00:25:35.019
Yeah, we do need to move on to the next one.

00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:38.039
We're bad at that. It depends on what type of

00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.720
scar it is. If the scar has a cool story, I think

00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:44.339
you should keep it. Oh, yeah. Like, will you

00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:46.839
kiss it by the shark or? Here's the story. I

00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:49.539
will tell you. I was walking my dog at night

00:25:49.539 --> 00:25:53.119
and there's this stupid water piece of concrete

00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:55.119
sticking out of the ground. It's like a water

00:25:55.119 --> 00:26:00.319
marker thing. Yeah. OK. I walked into it and

00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:04.140
it scraped off. I still have the scar. It's there.

00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:08.420
That's it. Can you see it? Well, it's much better

00:26:08.420 --> 00:26:11.299
now, but it was really dark and it was much bigger.

00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:14.799
So I just, I just took it off. I have no boo

00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:17.859
-boos. Too afraid to live. It's not a cool story

00:26:17.859 --> 00:26:20.700
and it looked bad and I just took it off. Okay,

00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:23.740
fair enough. I have one of my buzzy's. He's got

00:26:23.740 --> 00:26:27.640
like a giant scar that caught his shoulder. and

00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:30.680
he goes up to his neck. He is also a teacher

00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:33.859
and he just tells kids whatever they ask, like,

00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:38.619
oh, I was attacked by a bear. He's Russian. So

00:26:38.619 --> 00:26:44.180
people believe him. I think that mine is a good

00:26:44.180 --> 00:26:46.539
follow up on social media destroys holidays because

00:26:46.539 --> 00:26:49.980
it's more about holidays and pleasure. I always

00:26:49.980 --> 00:26:52.539
hear about people saying it's before this time,

00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:55.220
you can't drink yet. And I just think it's bullshit.

00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:59.380
I think that you should be allowed to drink whenever

00:26:59.380 --> 00:27:02.200
the fuck you want, but keep it classy. That's

00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:04.140
it. That would be a really easy question to answer.

00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.859
Yes, drink whenever you want. Oh, but then again,

00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:10.619
maybe not. Your qualifier is keep it classy.

00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:15.420
Is it possible to be a classy drinker at 9am?

00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:19.690
Yes. What does a 9 a .m. drink look like to you?

00:27:20.009 --> 00:27:23.190
A 9 a .m. drink looks like breakfast with orange

00:27:23.190 --> 00:27:27.210
juice and like a beer shandy with orange juice.

00:27:27.789 --> 00:27:31.829
Ah, I see. Or champagne with orange juice. What's

00:27:31.829 --> 00:27:34.670
that called? A samosa? Yeah, samosa, exactly.

00:27:35.289 --> 00:27:38.390
That's what I grew up with. I grew up with this

00:27:38.390 --> 00:27:41.789
ability to drink at any time of the day with

00:27:41.789 --> 00:27:44.410
a few caveats. You're not going to open a bottle

00:27:44.410 --> 00:27:47.190
of rum. in the morning. Well you might if you're

00:27:47.190 --> 00:27:50.430
in the Caribbean, but not when you're at home,

00:27:50.849 --> 00:27:53.589
right? Okay. But if you're making breakfast for

00:27:53.589 --> 00:27:56.390
your loved one and you make a samosa and you

00:27:56.390 --> 00:28:00.009
eggs and bacon, why not? Mimosa. Samosa is an

00:28:00.009 --> 00:28:03.609
Indian snack that looks like a tribal. Well,

00:28:04.410 --> 00:28:09.039
I apologize world. I am culturally insensitive.

00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:15.240
That's why I asked. Thank you. In my mind, I

00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:16.220
knew it was going to be one of those things.

00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:18.720
I was like, isn't he the little Indian triangle

00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:24.779
stuffed with food? You know what I hate with

00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:30.109
a passion? Brunch. like the concept of brunch

00:28:30.109 --> 00:28:32.650
and like every restaurant like every western

00:28:32.650 --> 00:28:34.750
restaurant in guangzhou like advertisers like

00:28:34.750 --> 00:28:37.490
oh come to brunch and you can like buy breakfast

00:28:37.490 --> 00:28:43.029
and get mimosas this is a farce that was like

00:28:43.029 --> 00:28:46.250
invented by alcoholic housewives as an excuse

00:28:46.250 --> 00:28:49.950
to day drink and pretend it's classy yes you

00:28:49.950 --> 00:28:54.349
know it's like my favorite kind On the weekends,

00:28:54.829 --> 00:28:57.789
I kind of understand it, but if you're drinking

00:28:57.789 --> 00:29:00.930
in the middle of the day on a weekday, it's because

00:29:00.930 --> 00:29:03.190
you're bored and don't have a job. I think that

00:29:03.190 --> 00:29:04.869
answers the question of when you can drink though.

00:29:05.269 --> 00:29:07.589
Obviously, you're not going to be drinking at

00:29:07.589 --> 00:29:10.990
work or before work. I mean, some teachers do.

00:29:12.630 --> 00:29:18.230
They're bad teachers, Tom. I think that drinking

00:29:18.230 --> 00:29:21.940
at work after duties, that's fine. I also think

00:29:21.940 --> 00:29:24.240
going home once all your duties are done should

00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:30.500
be fine. I like to. If somebody is drinking before

00:29:30.500 --> 00:29:33.960
class or during class or before a meeting, you

00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.400
should probably not be doing that. That's a fucking

00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:41.500
dumb idea. Do you draw a line between having

00:29:41.500 --> 00:29:44.920
a drink and getting drunk? Do you think they

00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:49.660
are different? Yes, definitely. Like yes, you

00:29:49.660 --> 00:29:53.480
know me I almost never get completely plastered

00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:56.640
drunk So that's my definition of classy like

00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:02.460
you're never getting wasted or tipsy beyond Reason

00:30:02.460 --> 00:30:07.440
and my reason is like maybe two mimosas or a

00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:12.420
glass of sangria For brunch or breakfast and

00:30:12.420 --> 00:30:14.880
then something at lunch and then at night if

00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.079
you really want to get plastered that's that's

00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:20.910
a nighttime thing or maybe a Saturday afternoon.

00:30:21.329 --> 00:30:24.589
Yeah, after 12. Like, no need to wait for five

00:30:24.589 --> 00:30:28.309
or six or one or twelve. I mean, objectively,

00:30:28.369 --> 00:30:30.750
I can't say when the right time to drink is.

00:30:30.869 --> 00:30:33.569
I can make the argument that brunch defines the

00:30:33.569 --> 00:30:35.750
right time to drink. Okay, brunch is, you know,

00:30:35.829 --> 00:30:38.450
you miss because you missed breakfast, you combine

00:30:38.450 --> 00:30:42.029
breakfast and lunch with the same kind of, you

00:30:42.029 --> 00:30:45.470
know, dishes. And someone somewhere introduced

00:30:45.470 --> 00:30:50.369
the samosa mimosa. the mimosa sorry right they

00:30:50.369 --> 00:30:54.190
introduced the mimosa into brunch or or it somehow

00:30:54.190 --> 00:30:57.609
became associated with that um so i think at

00:30:57.609 --> 00:31:02.150
least in the americas maybe culturally the opportune

00:31:02.150 --> 00:31:05.250
time or the the most inappropriate time to start

00:31:05.250 --> 00:31:08.569
drinking is not before brunch time but then there's

00:31:08.569 --> 00:31:10.769
also the saying it's five o 'clock somewhere

00:31:10.769 --> 00:31:13.190
and those raging alcoholics just drink whatever

00:31:13.809 --> 00:31:16.789
I don't think, I think that if you are an alcoholic,

00:31:17.109 --> 00:31:21.849
you shouldn't be drinking. Yeah. Yes. That's

00:31:21.849 --> 00:31:24.789
by definition not classy. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So

00:31:24.789 --> 00:31:27.869
it's about what's classy. Can you say, drink

00:31:27.869 --> 00:31:30.029
whenever you want. Whenever you feel like having

00:31:30.029 --> 00:31:32.450
a drink, have a drink. Is that classy? Unless

00:31:32.450 --> 00:31:35.230
you're an alcoholic? Yes, unless you're driving.

00:31:36.190 --> 00:31:38.950
Okay, I can say I've drank a beer in the morning

00:31:38.950 --> 00:31:41.829
in my life at times, but I've just like woken

00:31:41.829 --> 00:31:44.069
up and I felt like it because it was very, very

00:31:44.069 --> 00:31:49.910
hot and I just was thirsty and that carbonation

00:31:49.910 --> 00:31:52.670
just felt like a good idea. So I drank a beer.

00:31:52.849 --> 00:31:56.269
I draw no distinction between going for brunch

00:31:56.269 --> 00:32:00.630
and having the Moses at 10 a .m. and go to 7

00:32:00.630 --> 00:32:03.369
-Eleven and buying a couple of soju to drink

00:32:03.369 --> 00:32:05.930
on the street corner at 10 a .m. Those are the

00:32:05.930 --> 00:32:09.269
same activity, but one has class privilege. Uh,

00:32:09.470 --> 00:32:12.470
okay. Fair, but man, that just sounds sad. 10

00:32:12.470 --> 00:32:14.809
a .m. at a family mart getting a soju. Soju bottles

00:32:14.809 --> 00:32:17.710
of soju. For me, soju's just putrid. That's why

00:32:17.710 --> 00:32:22.349
I think it's not good. One soju is the most economically

00:32:22.349 --> 00:32:26.019
viable way to have a drink. I think, and it's

00:32:26.019 --> 00:32:30.019
delicious. The amount of alcohol that is in a

00:32:30.019 --> 00:32:33.000
bottle of soju, and that's 20 % alcohol. That's

00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:36.339
not that bad. Compared to one mimosa. I don't

00:32:36.339 --> 00:32:38.799
know what stuff is like where you live, but around

00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:41.720
here you get free flow mimosas for like four

00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:46.400
hours. Wow. And that is, like that adds up. That

00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:47.880
sounds like a part of it. They don't taste good.

00:32:48.220 --> 00:32:50.900
That is not classy. I want to go there. Yeah.

00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:53.880
Anyway, some people might... I'll give the button.

00:32:54.220 --> 00:32:56.039
Okay, now we have to, now we have to, now we

00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.500
have to define something else. Like, why do you

00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:00.700
drink? Why is the person at 10 a .m. getting

00:33:00.700 --> 00:33:03.859
a soju? Okay, because in my mind, there's bad

00:33:03.859 --> 00:33:05.099
alcohol and there's good alcohol. Personally,

00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:08.640
I like to, I like, when I drink things, I like

00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:11.700
to enjoy them. That's why I like craft beers

00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:14.500
and hipster crap like that. I feel the same.

00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.279
So, like, when I drink something, it's not just,

00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:19.460
I gotta drink it fast. I gotta feel that buzz.

00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.000
I want to enjoy it because I know it's poison

00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.839
and I know it's gonna make me feel putrid if

00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:27.480
I drink too much of it too fast. So who are these

00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.259
people getting soju at 10 a .m. on a street corner?

00:33:30.460 --> 00:33:35.119
You're looking at him. Ah, Tom. So Tom, why are

00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:38.380
you doing that? You felt like, oh, so much energy.

00:33:39.259 --> 00:33:42.799
Honestly, the only time I've ever got soju was

00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.119
like late at night when Matt Ward said we had

00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:48.380
to walk to a bar that was like an hour away.

00:33:49.450 --> 00:33:52.289
Ruby was there too I believe and we'd have to

00:33:52.289 --> 00:33:54.589
like go traipsing through Tianjin in the middle

00:33:54.589 --> 00:33:57.369
of the night. I remember those nights and I remember

00:33:57.369 --> 00:34:00.109
Matt Ward and he would literally do that. And

00:34:00.109 --> 00:34:01.890
Matt's a funny character because he would be

00:34:01.890 --> 00:34:04.589
like we'd all be at a party having a good time.

00:34:04.829 --> 00:34:07.410
I should get him on this podcast. Yeah do it.

00:34:08.409 --> 00:34:11.090
We'd all be at a party having a good time you'd

00:34:11.090 --> 00:34:13.150
be like yeah this is amazing we're gonna party

00:34:13.150 --> 00:34:16.250
until... 10 a .m and then two minutes later he's

00:34:16.250 --> 00:34:19.210
like okay bye and he'd say goodbye to one person

00:34:19.210 --> 00:34:22.050
and then just leave and not speak yeah just bounce

00:34:22.050 --> 00:34:23.969
what do you call that kind of goodbye it's not

00:34:23.969 --> 00:34:25.550
an irish goodbye that's when you say goodbye

00:34:25.550 --> 00:34:27.769
to nobody you just leave what's it's about wars

00:34:27.769 --> 00:34:31.170
goodbye yeah it's unique it's completely unique

00:34:31.170 --> 00:34:33.670
tell everyone else for me i gotta go oh he didn't

00:34:33.670 --> 00:34:36.599
say that he just if he if you happen to bump

00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:40.239
it would be an if if the way to the door parted

00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:42.559
like the red sea it would be an irish goodbye

00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:44.500
but if you bumped into you'd be like goodbye

00:34:44.500 --> 00:34:50.159
okay map wars once made a boars game i believe

00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.900
it was like a version of monopoly where one of

00:34:52.900 --> 00:34:54.960
the cards you could draw was like put down your

00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.639
drink and go home it's like the game just like

00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:04.230
literally sent you home and that was it he was

00:35:04.230 --> 00:35:06.269
trying to convince all of us this would be an

00:35:06.269 --> 00:35:09.030
amazing game to play and be so funny because

00:35:09.030 --> 00:35:12.389
he um they kept talking about this he kept talking

00:35:12.389 --> 00:35:14.070
about this game because they played it at his

00:35:14.070 --> 00:35:16.750
cottage in canada he's connected oh okay yeah

00:35:16.750 --> 00:35:20.329
and there was one of them was eat a eat a teaspoon

00:35:20.329 --> 00:35:22.670
of mustard that sounds good actually oh yeah

00:35:22.670 --> 00:35:27.150
yeah yeah yeah yeah stuff like that that's great

00:35:27.150 --> 00:35:34.110
you ever had a full I could do it. No, I'd love

00:35:34.110 --> 00:35:38.289
foster. It's really not fun Mmm challenge accepted.

00:35:38.289 --> 00:35:40.610
Do you have mustard? I do we'll do later. We're

00:35:40.610 --> 00:35:42.869
not doing on the podcast. Okay at the end at

00:35:42.869 --> 00:35:45.829
the end Tom's gonna want to see it. All right,

00:35:45.829 --> 00:35:49.050
I could do that. I love super yellow French's

00:35:49.050 --> 00:35:51.750
mustard That's what it should be. Ah, it doesn't

00:35:51.750 --> 00:35:54.210
matter. It's just mustard happy baby. Oh, I love

00:35:54.210 --> 00:35:59.769
mustard so much anyway Anyway, honestly, I really

00:35:59.769 --> 00:36:02.449
don't drink that much anymore. Back in Tianjin,

00:36:02.590 --> 00:36:06.949
we were a group of degenerates who used to like

00:36:06.949 --> 00:36:10.750
constantly drink almost every night. But the

00:36:10.750 --> 00:36:12.349
last time I got really drunk was at Christmas,

00:36:12.690 --> 00:36:16.230
which is difficult to do because you just start

00:36:16.230 --> 00:36:18.289
drinking and then you're like, oh, I have about

00:36:18.289 --> 00:36:21.070
like four ovens going full of like turkeys and

00:36:21.070 --> 00:36:23.820
hams and potatoes. and I thought he said I cooked

00:36:23.820 --> 00:36:26.780
dinner for 10 people. Well, I'm absolutely smashed

00:36:26.780 --> 00:36:31.179
now. Yeah, a bit of a ten... a bit of a... tangent.

00:36:31.539 --> 00:36:35.719
Tangent? Yeah, it's feeling weird. Can I say...

00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.280
that's the right word, right? Tangent. Tangent.

00:36:38.500 --> 00:36:41.400
Tangent. Tangent. Not tangent. Okay, tangent.

00:36:42.019 --> 00:36:49.469
The best... I'm... yeah. Best Christmas party

00:36:49.469 --> 00:36:53.329
I remember in memory for me is the one that you

00:36:53.329 --> 00:36:58.409
organized with your With your we have the Airbnb

00:36:58.409 --> 00:37:04.650
Airbnb You made you made lamb chops. I made lamb

00:37:04.650 --> 00:37:07.949
chops and Malva pudding. Yes. Yeah Malva pudding.

00:37:08.030 --> 00:37:10.769
I never had it before. It was awesome Yeah, it

00:37:10.769 --> 00:37:13.510
would be amazing and the Airbnb for some reason

00:37:13.510 --> 00:37:16.699
has a sauna So like 1 a .m. all of it is like

00:37:16.699 --> 00:37:18.860
stripped out of god of a sauna together at that

00:37:18.860 --> 00:37:23.840
photo Yeah, skip today skip to today and I cannot

00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:26.239
join you either. We've never had you've never

00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:29.619
been in a sauna european style with other genders

00:37:29.619 --> 00:37:32.039
I have never been in a sauna with other with

00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.820
other genders. Um, I have I can say I can say

00:37:35.820 --> 00:37:39.019
I have okay. Wait, wait Yeah, I have but not

00:37:39.019 --> 00:37:42.800
no not multiple with one opposite. Okay. Yeah

00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.719
Have you been in Osano with multiple? No, can't

00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:48.900
say no. Because that's a different story. Do

00:37:48.900 --> 00:37:53.320
lesbians count? Yes. Okay, then yes. Yes, I can.

00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:01.800
Back on Boos. What's your favorite drink? My

00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:04.760
favorite drink is probably black beer like Guinness.

00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:10.039
Stout? Yes, stout. and when when we were at university

00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:12.320
we used to do something very cool which was a

00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.559
pint half cider half stout i went together it's

00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:18.219
like called snake bite i think it's really good

00:38:18.219 --> 00:38:23.639
so a stout on top of another kind of beer in

00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:26.840
the same glass a cider apple cider so the cider

00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:29.300
like somehow denser it stays at the bottom yeah

00:38:29.300 --> 00:38:32.639
yeah yeah really interesting huh yeah it's alcoholic

00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.719
cider i don't know americans always have like

00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.940
the non -alcoholic version i didn't know that

00:38:37.940 --> 00:38:40.699
non -alcoholic ciders were a thing yeah i didn't

00:38:40.699 --> 00:38:44.280
what americans do you have in utah no i'm pretty

00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:47.760
sure in america apple cider is like just like

00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:49.739
cloudy apple juice you're right there is apple

00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:52.400
cider but then there are ciders which are alcoholic

00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:56.460
drinks then apple and also made apples yeah that's

00:38:56.460 --> 00:38:59.199
apple juice That's dirty apple juice. I would

00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:01.780
agree that apple cider is dirty apple juice.

00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:05.199
Unfiltered, maybe. Not dirty. Cloudy. Yeah. Because

00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.539
the first beer... Okay, Tom, I have a question.

00:39:07.699 --> 00:39:10.519
Why aren't you drinking alcohol right now? Why

00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.219
did you go for cocaine? Because I'm kind of fat

00:39:13.219 --> 00:39:16.340
now. You haven't seen me for many years. I weigh

00:39:16.340 --> 00:39:20.159
like 90 kilograms now. Okay. That just means

00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.019
you're married, Tom. Just means you're married.

00:39:23.690 --> 00:39:27.789
I like to drink in social settings. I guess I

00:39:27.789 --> 00:39:30.309
am talking to people but you're not really here

00:39:30.309 --> 00:39:34.369
in real life. So I only drink when I'm like so

00:39:34.369 --> 00:39:37.289
surrounded by people and I can pace myself with

00:39:37.289 --> 00:39:42.969
them. Yeah. I stopped drinking, like I calculated

00:39:42.969 --> 00:39:45.969
at one stage when we were in Tianjin, there's

00:39:45.969 --> 00:39:49.630
a craft brewery. Okay. Underneath, I stayed in

00:39:49.630 --> 00:39:52.989
the... We possibly... Yeah. I stayed in the dingiest

00:39:52.989 --> 00:39:55.230
part of Tianjin, this building called Chunji

00:39:55.230 --> 00:39:58.510
Center. Didn't meet any of the safety codes.

00:39:58.690 --> 00:40:00.849
It was a disaster, but the apartment was amazing,

00:40:01.250 --> 00:40:03.869
actually, even though it didn't have many windows.

00:40:04.989 --> 00:40:06.969
And every night we would go downstairs, have

00:40:06.969 --> 00:40:10.969
a wee burger or an Elvis burger. And it's so

00:40:10.969 --> 00:40:15.469
unhealthy. Oh, yeah. And drink like two to three

00:40:15.469 --> 00:40:18.920
liters of beer. a day. Good Lord. You know, in

00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:21.440
Tianjin we did not make a lot of money. Yeah.

00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:24.199
And we were going to spend like one or two hundred

00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:29.079
kuai every night on beer and burgers. Like now

00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:32.460
I'm old, now I'm getting fat, even though I'm

00:40:32.460 --> 00:40:34.860
trying to be healthy. It's really difficult.

00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:39.920
It's really hard. I've since June last year or

00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.179
July, when the holiday started up to now, I lost

00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.579
26 kilograms and it's been one of the hardest.

00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:50.599
The only reason that I was able to stick to that

00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:55.760
is because I wanted to transition. I tried the

00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.719
intermittent fasting last year and I got about

00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.920
two months in and I was losing about five kilograms

00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:11.519
a month. I was really happy with it. But then

00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.800
we hit Christmas and I'm like, oh, Christmas.

00:41:14.219 --> 00:41:15.800
Well, obviously I've got to eat for Christmas.

00:41:15.860 --> 00:41:17.519
There's going to be like chocolates everywhere.

00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:20.400
It'll be fun. And then I could just not get back

00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.719
into it again. Why not? Why couldn't you get

00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:26.139
back into it? What makes intermittent fasting

00:41:26.139 --> 00:41:29.780
difficult now? So the first week is the most

00:41:29.780 --> 00:41:32.659
difficult because during the first week, your

00:41:32.659 --> 00:41:36.599
stomach shrinks. After one week. You have like

00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.639
the routine set up as it actually became physically

00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.159
difficult for me to eat dinner. Like I tried

00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:43.800
to eat more than a couple of bites for dinner.

00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.500
I'd be like, well, I'm stuffed. I can't eat anymore.

00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:51.679
But it's like the first week you constantly feel

00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:55.699
hungry. Yeah. And if I have like a little bit

00:41:55.699 --> 00:41:57.579
of stress, like I need to write some reports.

00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.840
I need to like do a project. I need to like do

00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.400
something else. Yeah. Then I will eat. Yeah.

00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:09.639
I see that a lot in the adults around us. Just

00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.960
always eating, always snacking. Which adults

00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:16.860
specifically? I'm not gonna name names. Around,

00:42:17.099 --> 00:42:20.639
you know, Polpark. Where I am. For clarity, he's

00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.780
in MYP and I'm in PYP. Next year... I'm upstairs,

00:42:23.860 --> 00:42:26.719
he's downstairs. Yeah, next year you might come

00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:30.840
back downstairs. Who can say? But I, if I'm around...

00:42:30.809 --> 00:42:33.730
I'll probably go to grade five. Yeah, which is

00:42:33.730 --> 00:42:36.889
upstairs. Oh, yeah. Okay, cool. I'm teaching

00:42:36.889 --> 00:42:41.570
K -3, so like upper kindergarten. Okay. I used

00:42:41.570 --> 00:42:44.829
to teach, I used to teach grade two, but because

00:42:44.829 --> 00:42:49.349
of our student numbers basically plummeting recently,

00:42:49.949 --> 00:42:52.250
they had to move the teachers around. I got stuck

00:42:52.250 --> 00:42:54.670
in the early years. At first, I really didn't

00:42:54.670 --> 00:42:57.650
like it, but it's a bit of a golden goose. Yes.

00:42:58.130 --> 00:43:01.840
So, incredibly. Easy. I was going to say, whoa.

00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:04.199
I love it. It's so much fun. Yeah, I was going

00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:06.820
to say, well, duck in early years. That was,

00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.380
I love early years. That was my best. Still to

00:43:09.380 --> 00:43:12.480
this day, the job I love the most. I might go

00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.000
back to kindergarten after this job, maybe. Bye.

00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:19.639
it's more difficult to plan the classes like

00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:21.960
prepare for them because you need lots of materials.

00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:23.699
So you have to be like really on top of like

00:43:23.699 --> 00:43:25.940
your ordering and your budget because you have

00:43:25.940 --> 00:43:28.099
to like set up stations and make it look really

00:43:28.099 --> 00:43:30.739
nice and create learning invitations but like

00:43:30.739 --> 00:43:32.880
once you're in there and you're just sort of

00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.239
like okay I'm going to teach you how to do your

00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.510
two times table and stuff like that. Okay, this

00:43:38.510 --> 00:43:40.789
is how you use a full stop and a big letter.

00:43:41.869 --> 00:43:45.469
The kids are a lot of fun and you play games

00:43:45.469 --> 00:43:47.869
most of the time, which is really, really nice.

00:43:47.969 --> 00:43:51.590
And you can see them grow, right? Yeah, depending

00:43:51.590 --> 00:43:54.329
on how well you do your job, you can definitely

00:43:54.329 --> 00:43:58.690
see them learning. It's just the routine. Routine

00:43:58.690 --> 00:44:02.929
is the most important. It's just so clear on

00:44:02.929 --> 00:44:04.929
what needs to be done, so it's not very stressful

00:44:04.929 --> 00:44:07.239
in that respect. You just stick to those routines.

00:44:07.579 --> 00:44:09.940
You get hugs, you give high fives, teach them

00:44:09.940 --> 00:44:11.840
the letters of the alphabet. Have you ever...

00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:14.219
It's amazing. I want to bring this back to the

00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:17.300
topic. Have you ever drank at work when you were

00:44:17.300 --> 00:44:22.079
not supposed to? I haven't. I can honestly say

00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:26.559
I haven't. Do you say get drunk at a party? I

00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:29.920
said have a drink at work when you were not supposed

00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.539
to. At work? I don't think I'll get in trouble

00:44:32.539 --> 00:44:36.039
about saying this, but like... back in Tianjin

00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:39.440
when we used to work for a training center. And

00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:42.400
due to the unique way they managed the schedules,

00:44:42.820 --> 00:44:46.679
they was invited in for admin days where there

00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.139
were no students there, but we had to show up

00:44:49.139 --> 00:44:52.800
to work anyway. And then like there would be

00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:56.099
it starts off with one or two of us sneaking

00:44:56.099 --> 00:44:58.760
off to have a drink at lunchtime and ends up

00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.639
with like almost the entire foreign teaching

00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:04.929
staff. just in a bar above the school. Yeah,

00:45:04.989 --> 00:45:07.250
I remember those days. Well, that sounds like

00:45:07.250 --> 00:45:10.969
it's the school fault. Yeah, exactly. That temptation.

00:45:11.449 --> 00:45:17.409
For me, it was so a school I worked at on Fridays,

00:45:17.909 --> 00:45:20.530
the kids would go home really early and you had

00:45:20.530 --> 00:45:25.909
to stay until four thirty. Yeah. And once the

00:45:25.909 --> 00:45:28.179
like there was a Friday meeting. Once the meeting

00:45:28.179 --> 00:45:31.340
was over, I would walk over to Family Mart and

00:45:31.340 --> 00:45:34.380
get myself a drink and pour it in my coffee and

00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:38.300
walk back. Oh my goodness. Again, no students

00:45:38.300 --> 00:45:41.219
there. And then the other one was while I was

00:45:41.219 --> 00:45:44.280
in Tianjin working for a training center recruiting

00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:50.719
teachers, I was the HR interpreter and I was

00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:56.380
working on Sundays. Nobody in the office it's

00:45:56.380 --> 00:45:59.239
head office and I would finish I would always

00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:01.139
schedule my meetings would finish in the morning

00:46:01.139 --> 00:46:05.699
because if like all the all the all the Interviews

00:46:05.699 --> 00:46:08.619
and I'd rush through all my admin be done and

00:46:08.619 --> 00:46:11.079
then lunch would hit and I would walk down Go

00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:13.059
to this like Korean restaurant drink two beers

00:46:13.059 --> 00:46:16.340
and then go back. Oh Tom. Hello. Are you there?

00:46:16.820 --> 00:46:25.980
No. Oh No Tom's gone What he's been seeing all

00:46:25.980 --> 00:46:30.400
the time he's been seeing us This one here. Oh,

00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:33.619
no Department's a mess. What? No, it's just a

00:46:33.619 --> 00:46:38.920
table. Um, is he coming back? I have questions

00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:41.099
about and we haven't even drinking our topic

00:46:41.099 --> 00:46:45.679
This is going well, it's good. Let's text the

00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:59.659
group. Let's see. Yeah, you mean to drink Oh

00:46:59.659 --> 00:47:06.579
Yeah, thank you, I just need some You're back

00:47:06.579 --> 00:47:09.239
are you back? Can you hear me? I can hear you

00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.699
see me. We cannot see I Cannot hear or see you.

00:47:13.739 --> 00:47:18.800
Okay, we can hear you but we cannot see you Man

00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:25.699
Tom, can you see me now? Tommy can you see me

00:47:25.699 --> 00:47:58.340
Okay, I can see your your profile picture Okay,

00:47:58.539 --> 00:48:35.219
this would go fucked up Okay, can you see us

00:48:35.219 --> 00:48:51.000
now? Okay, not here. I'm gonna delete this. Remove.

00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:59.719
Tom, can you see us? It's switched. Yeah, it's

00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:27.090
switched away. Still nothing. Well, you know

00:49:27.090 --> 00:49:28.869
worst -case scenario, we got an hour at least.

00:49:29.010 --> 00:49:33.690
We got an hour at least, yeah. But there's another

00:49:33.690 --> 00:49:39.409
thing we can try. You can hear us? What? Amazing.

00:49:40.650 --> 00:49:46.719
Can you hear me? Well... Oh! Oh my god! You're

00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:52.579
here Okay, so it's an internet connection problem

00:49:52.579 --> 00:49:57.860
it seems like now I need to put you back on I

00:49:57.860 --> 00:50:01.019
Need to put you back on OBS. Hold on one second

00:50:01.019 --> 00:50:05.940
Our little background thing disappeared. Maybe

00:50:05.940 --> 00:50:08.960
I can bring it back. Oh, yes. Okay. Well, you

00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:18.179
know what? I'm sure this will get better over

00:50:18.179 --> 00:50:21.539
time, but for now, I'm just a noob to meetings.

00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.280
You're back, Tom. I'm back. Luigi, I have questions

00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:26.980
for you. Luigi. We were talking about drinking

00:50:26.980 --> 00:50:29.940
at work, and you were about to tell us something

00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:33.139
that happened at a training center in Tianjin.

00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:35.039
You guys were talking about a training center

00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.739
in Tianjin. You never worked at a training center?

00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:42.059
I did, very, very briefly, and it was part time.

00:50:42.900 --> 00:50:47.130
Yeah, it's an experience, isn't it? Yeah, they

00:50:47.130 --> 00:50:51.429
still owe me 4 ,000 R &B. I still remember. That'll

00:50:51.429 --> 00:50:54.570
happen. Is this why you don't want to spend money?

00:50:54.670 --> 00:50:58.090
Because of that? No, not the only reason. Yeah,

00:50:58.190 --> 00:51:00.969
okay. Okay, talking about the classiest time

00:51:00.969 --> 00:51:04.010
to drink. Okay. There are two kinds of drinkers,

00:51:04.070 --> 00:51:07.389
I think. There are people who enjoy, like, a

00:51:07.389 --> 00:51:09.070
kind of connoisseurship when it comes to alcohol,

00:51:09.110 --> 00:51:12.349
and there's the other people who drink because

00:51:12.349 --> 00:51:15.519
they just, like, they need to get drunk. And

00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.280
I think that is what we have to clearly define

00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:21.159
when we're debating this question to when is

00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.460
the right time to drink or other. Yeah, right.

00:51:25.059 --> 00:51:28.280
So, you know, interesting. I would call myself

00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.599
an alcoholic, but I definitely think I drink

00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:35.320
to have fun. Yeah, you're not. I'm not. So, yeah.

00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:37.679
So people drink to have fun. That just means

00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.880
getting anything in you till you feel a little

00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:48.800
wonky. I don't. I mean, I I understand the feeling

00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:53.099
of, you know, being inebriated, but I've never

00:51:53.099 --> 00:51:55.440
really... For me personally, I didn't drink until

00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.059
I was 27. True story. I did not start drinking

00:51:58.059 --> 00:52:00.619
until I was 27. So up until that point, you know,

00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:03.039
I understood that my peers always probably kind

00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:06.320
of thought I was, I guess, anti -social in the

00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:09.039
respect of drinking. So when I did start drinking,

00:52:09.539 --> 00:52:12.599
for me it still, it was a social kind of dynamic.

00:52:13.250 --> 00:52:18.210
Now I think now when I drink it is because It

00:52:18.210 --> 00:52:21.449
does help me like relax because I do like the

00:52:21.449 --> 00:52:24.650
feeling of being in a bearded Some people say

00:52:24.650 --> 00:52:27.010
you know when you people who don't like to drink

00:52:27.010 --> 00:52:29.349
don't like to lose control So that's why they

00:52:29.349 --> 00:52:31.190
don't drink because you know that's what happens

00:52:31.190 --> 00:52:34.489
when you drink you you get drunk I can kind of

00:52:34.489 --> 00:52:36.969
see some logic in that because one reason I do

00:52:36.969 --> 00:52:41.239
like to drink is because it makes me well, you

00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:43.840
know lose control and as much as like I don't

00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:49.760
I can't think very clearly and I like that because

00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.599
like if my mind's racing, that's why I'll want

00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:54.960
to drink but in that case I have to be really

00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:56.539
really really stressed out and I know that's

00:52:56.539 --> 00:52:59.280
not a good way to cope with whatever is happening

00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:03.460
to make me drink that way but otherwise when

00:53:03.460 --> 00:53:06.280
I drink really the reason I like to drink is

00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:13.110
because I like to It's the novelty of the alcohol

00:53:13.110 --> 00:53:16.090
and the flavors. So it's a kind of fat -headedness.

00:53:16.090 --> 00:53:18.949
I like connoisseurship. It's an art. It is an

00:53:18.949 --> 00:53:24.510
art. People hate craft beers. I feel like here

00:53:24.510 --> 00:53:28.329
in my world, not you, but people around us hate

00:53:28.329 --> 00:53:30.590
craft beers, but I love them. I think they're

00:53:30.590 --> 00:53:35.730
so great. I think the novelty is what makes drinking

00:53:35.730 --> 00:53:38.210
so, for me, it's what keeps me drinking really.

00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:42.119
It's really more, will this new drink taste interesting?

00:53:42.380 --> 00:53:45.820
I have to know, so I have to try it. The drunkness

00:53:45.820 --> 00:53:48.739
comes second. It's not drink to get drunk first,

00:53:48.940 --> 00:53:52.019
it's the flavor first. And so with alcohol, it's

00:53:52.019 --> 00:53:55.559
so fascinating because there's this illusion

00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:59.559
that, or there's this allure that what you are

00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.219
drinking could be something you never tasted

00:54:02.219 --> 00:54:06.000
before. And so that's why I do it. I think there's

00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:10.059
diminishing returns. I'm a glisten, I'm a heathenist,

00:54:10.900 --> 00:54:16.739
but ultimately I'm like, do I want to spend a

00:54:16.739 --> 00:54:20.199
thousand quai on a bottle of wine when a 200

00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:23.099
-quai bottle would do the same thing? Never do

00:54:23.099 --> 00:54:25.940
that. I win! When I was a kid, I always used

00:54:25.940 --> 00:54:27.880
to walk past these wine bars. I'm like, maybe,

00:54:28.099 --> 00:54:30.139
maybe I will like that when I get older, I will

00:54:30.139 --> 00:54:32.960
start to understand it more. I'm like, no, no,

00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:34.920
I just think all the people who like go in for

00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.500
like these super expensive alcohols are the pretentious

00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:40.619
cunts. Yeah, to be sure. When I was young. I

00:54:40.619 --> 00:54:44.320
mean, I like, I like craft beer. I used to make

00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:46.519
beer. I wasn't very good at it, but I used to,

00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:51.039
I used to try. Why did you stop? Why did you

00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:56.739
stop? It's a great investment of like time and

00:54:56.739 --> 00:55:00.260
resources and then for something you could purchase

00:55:00.260 --> 00:55:04.639
very cheaply at any supermarket. Yes. So it's

00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:07.719
fun for the novelty of it but ultimately the

00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:09.960
economics just don't work out. And you gotta

00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:11.679
wait a long time for the beard root. Yeah I used

00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:15.960
to make it in graduate school. Yeah, yeah, like

00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:20.860
a few weeks at least Once I made a stout and

00:55:20.860 --> 00:55:24.099
it was I made a stout and I wanted to make it

00:55:24.099 --> 00:55:27.000
like Asian themed So I got all these weird Asian

00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:29.400
herbs and one of them was black cardamom Which

00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:31.539
I'd never used before and I put in too much black

00:55:31.539 --> 00:55:35.480
cardamom and it was just like bitter bitter syrupy

00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:38.699
stout I just imagine like an Indian flavor like

00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:41.579
a beard tasting like curry If it's got cardamoms.

00:55:42.500 --> 00:55:44.599
It was just so bizarre. But you know, other things

00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:48.019
I made were, you know, normal stuff. IPAs. And

00:55:48.019 --> 00:55:50.820
like, we made mead once. The reason I stopped

00:55:50.820 --> 00:55:53.059
is my friend who I made them with, he moved like

00:55:53.059 --> 00:55:55.900
six hours away, so it just kind of sputtered.

00:55:55.900 --> 00:55:59.159
Yeah, like, like making beer, it's not like an

00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:03.280
intensive process. You do the fun stuff for like,

00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:05.650
one day. I mean, it's like, not wasted a month.

00:56:05.869 --> 00:56:08.409
I would say it is intense. I think it is intense.

00:56:08.550 --> 00:56:10.550
You gotta check the gravity every day. You gotta

00:56:10.550 --> 00:56:13.010
get a big, like, I don't know, I think they're

00:56:13.010 --> 00:56:15.989
called carboys. Oh, I didn't do that. I never,

00:56:15.989 --> 00:56:18.289
I never measured how much alcohol it actually

00:56:18.289 --> 00:56:20.550
had. Oh, really? I was just like, oh, hey, it's

00:56:20.550 --> 00:56:22.449
making bubbles. That means something's alive.

00:56:23.110 --> 00:56:26.849
I was very, what's the word? I don't know. Scrutinous?

00:56:26.989 --> 00:56:28.909
Meticulous, thank you. I was very meticulous

00:56:28.909 --> 00:56:30.789
because I was always in fear that like it would

00:56:30.789 --> 00:56:33.769
sour or go bad. The easiest thing to make alcohol

00:56:33.769 --> 00:56:37.829
-wise for me was, believe it or not, like rice

00:56:37.829 --> 00:56:40.210
wine. You'd boil, you'd cook rice. Rice wine.

00:56:40.389 --> 00:56:42.590
I never tried it. I would cook rice, and then

00:56:42.590 --> 00:56:44.650
you'd go to the Asian supermarket and you'd get

00:56:44.650 --> 00:56:47.469
a yeast ball. So they sell just ball of yeast.

00:56:47.849 --> 00:56:50.389
And then you smash it up, and then you put it

00:56:50.389 --> 00:56:52.309
in with the rice you just cooked, and you put

00:56:52.309 --> 00:56:54.329
it in a container, and you just put it in the

00:56:54.329 --> 00:56:56.250
fridge and forget about it. And it separates,

00:56:56.489 --> 00:56:58.469
and then that's it. And you've got booze. And

00:56:58.469 --> 00:57:00.269
it's a little carbonated. That feels like it's

00:57:00.269 --> 00:57:04.940
too easy. It's really easy. Yeah. That's what

00:57:04.940 --> 00:57:07.800
I did. Tom's like, should I be making rice wine

00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:10.760
today? Anyway, I drink first for the taste. Gotta

00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:12.480
taste good. Otherwise I would just take shots

00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:14.719
of really hard liquor if I wanted to get smashed.

00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.800
Exactly. It's easy to get drunk if you want to

00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:20.760
get drunk. But I drink for enjoyment and appreciation.

00:57:20.940 --> 00:57:23.579
One of the best drinks I've ever had or the best

00:57:23.579 --> 00:57:26.460
drinking periods of my life was I was living

00:57:26.460 --> 00:57:29.420
in Chiang Mai, Thailand. And I had this friend

00:57:29.420 --> 00:57:33.840
whose dad was a British guy who brewed his own

00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:39.980
meat. Amber Ale. Oh, meat, lovely. Yeah. And

00:57:39.980 --> 00:57:43.980
we would go to his place, just take a bunch of

00:57:43.980 --> 00:57:47.559
meat and barbecue. And then they had a lake with

00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:50.760
kayaks. We would go on to the... He had this

00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:55.039
huge golden retriever called Charlie. I'm sure

00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:56.800
you've seen the photo actually of me and Charlie

00:57:56.800 --> 00:58:01.760
together. on a pickup truck anyway um i remember

00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:04.800
going there finishing almost half a barrel of

00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:08.019
this beer that he's that brew while we were barbecuing

00:58:08.019 --> 00:58:11.380
and kayaking all day and we lost i think two

00:58:11.380 --> 00:58:15.599
of their like expensive british meat pint oh

00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:19.599
man yes inside this inside the little lake tom

00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:21.679
how did you make beer i'm curious do you remember

00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:24.940
Did you make it in China? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So

00:58:24.940 --> 00:58:29.119
I started making it at university. Yeah. Where

00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:31.599
there was like a society at our university for

00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:34.659
making beer. And that taught me the basics. And

00:58:34.659 --> 00:58:37.900
then I continued to try in China and do it in

00:58:37.900 --> 00:58:40.599
my tiny apartment. That's what like you can't

00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:42.460
be done. I'm thinking of how would I make it

00:58:42.460 --> 00:58:46.340
here? I like you can buy you can buy everything

00:58:46.340 --> 00:58:49.139
you need on Taobao. Yes. It's just trying to

00:58:49.139 --> 00:58:52.610
find it because I don't know the Chinese terms

00:58:52.610 --> 00:58:55.429
so I was just like trying to translate all the

00:58:55.429 --> 00:58:58.150
like equipment I needed into Chinese and then

00:58:58.150 --> 00:59:00.929
put that into Taobao but it would not give you

00:59:00.929 --> 00:59:04.469
like an accurate translation so it's quite difficult

00:59:04.469 --> 00:59:06.630
to like find everything but eventually I got

00:59:06.630 --> 00:59:10.590
it and I have like a about 20 litre setup but

00:59:10.590 --> 00:59:13.030
I'm probably gonna try and sell it all because

00:59:13.030 --> 00:59:16.590
I haven't used it for many years yeah many years

00:59:16.590 --> 00:59:19.409
I remember the last time I saw photos of you

00:59:19.409 --> 00:59:22.269
was maybe When I just moved to Suzhou. Yeah.

00:59:24.590 --> 00:59:27.349
I need to make a stand. I'd like to brew beer.

00:59:27.650 --> 00:59:29.469
I'd like to do all the things I love to do. I'd

00:59:29.469 --> 00:59:32.309
love to raise bees. I'd love to brew beer. That's

00:59:32.309 --> 00:59:35.409
so fun. I think it's possible. All of it is possible.

00:59:35.590 --> 00:59:37.030
You just have to find the right place. Yeah,

00:59:37.030 --> 00:59:39.849
I know. That would be a good vacation. Do you

00:59:39.849 --> 00:59:41.630
think I'd put a beehive on the roof of my apartment

00:59:41.630 --> 00:59:44.110
today? Yes. Yeah, definitely. I don't know what

00:59:44.110 --> 00:59:46.690
the laws are for bees. Last week I went when

00:59:46.690 --> 00:59:51.099
I went to the island. honey from this old farming

00:59:51.099 --> 00:59:53.880
couple. In their house they had beans. What?

00:59:53.940 --> 00:59:56.199
They kept the beans in their house. That's crazy.

00:59:57.179 --> 01:00:00.300
I think if you move, I have one friend. I used

01:00:00.300 --> 01:00:03.860
to keep a barbecue. Huh? Do you remember Jessie

01:00:03.860 --> 01:00:06.519
from India? I used to keep a barbecue on the,

01:00:06.539 --> 01:00:10.239
huh? Tom, you go first. You speak, I'll wait.

01:00:10.380 --> 01:00:15.300
I used to keep a barbecue on the roof of my apartment

01:00:15.300 --> 01:00:18.469
building. Yeah. And nobody noticed for a very,

01:00:18.469 --> 01:00:22.510
very long time. And it was fine. That's all I

01:00:22.510 --> 01:00:28.210
had. I don't think anyone would say anything.

01:00:28.769 --> 01:00:30.750
Yeah, no, probably no one would notice for a

01:00:30.750 --> 01:00:33.110
while. And as people hang their laundry up there.

01:00:33.329 --> 01:00:36.449
Oh, they do. They do. Well, then, yeah, maybe.

01:00:37.429 --> 01:00:39.949
Maybe they'll notice. You know, in some places

01:00:39.949 --> 01:00:43.949
people have chickens. I feel like chickens are

01:00:43.949 --> 01:00:47.730
a bigger health risk than a beast. I mean, beef

01:00:47.730 --> 01:00:50.510
poop is delicious. You can eat it. Chicken poop

01:00:50.510 --> 01:00:53.409
stinks and carries disease. That's true. It is

01:00:53.409 --> 01:00:55.789
a very good fertilizer though. I have to say.

01:00:56.269 --> 01:01:01.070
I can say. I think that if you go to... If you

01:01:01.070 --> 01:01:03.809
move to... You remember Jesse who ran Indie Bar

01:01:03.809 --> 01:01:10.099
with Rain? They may have been, like, a bit more...

01:01:10.099 --> 01:01:12.420
Yeah, I didn't really go to Indy so much. It

01:01:12.420 --> 01:01:16.980
was... It was one old Weijinlu. Yeah. Yeah, I

01:01:16.980 --> 01:01:23.000
remember it. Like, yeah, a little bit. They used

01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:27.079
to use the outdoor gas burners to heat indoors

01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:29.860
and then every night we would just get massive

01:01:29.860 --> 01:01:33.219
carbon monoxide poisoning and wake up with massive

01:01:33.219 --> 01:01:36.260
headaches. No, not that part. Not that part.

01:01:37.500 --> 01:01:40.639
Okay. Yeah, I'm going to have to... Okay, I said

01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:44.900
open. Irrelevant, I guess. The point is they

01:01:44.900 --> 01:01:48.460
moved to a really rural province in this tiny,

01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:51.159
tiny little town and they opened their own...

01:02:01.259 --> 01:02:17.780
Our school gets lots of wild animals like snakes

01:02:17.780 --> 01:02:21.730
and hornets. And any time we see a hornet hive,

01:02:22.090 --> 01:02:25.829
they bring out a guy with a flamethrower to destroy

01:02:25.829 --> 01:02:27.769
it, which is really cool. Yeah, they definitely

01:02:27.769 --> 01:02:30.409
wouldn't want bees there then, because they'd

01:02:30.409 --> 01:02:35.250
attract the hornets. We have like, it has outdoor

01:02:35.250 --> 01:02:38.150
playtime, where just a swarm of bees will come

01:02:38.150 --> 01:02:41.150
out of nowhere and attack the playgrounds. We're

01:02:41.150 --> 01:02:45.670
like, everyone run! Go, go, go, go, go! That's

01:02:45.670 --> 01:02:48.369
great. I hope you mean hornets. Bees would never

01:02:48.369 --> 01:02:51.340
do that. I mean, I don't get close enough to

01:02:51.340 --> 01:02:53.820
check they could be hornets or wasps or bees

01:02:53.820 --> 01:02:58.199
but Sometimes we just tell sometimes we I want

01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:00.739
the internet to know it's not bees he's describing

01:03:00.739 --> 01:03:05.199
Bees do not do that Sometimes we get snakes,

01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:07.500
which is even better. I don't think we're talking

01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:09.920
about alcohol anymore We should stop here. There

01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:12.900
is one thing that I want to do I want to stop

01:03:12.900 --> 01:03:15.780
the recording on OBS You don't need to put down

01:03:15.780 --> 01:03:18.000
the phone or do anything, but there's a major

01:03:18.779 --> 01:03:22.860
So, I'm just gonna stop this. Okay. We're back.

01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:26.199
Um, Luigi. Is it my turn? It's your turn. Okay,

01:03:26.340 --> 01:03:28.840
I don't know how to pose this as a question,

01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.300
but I was watching something. Let me just set

01:03:31.300 --> 01:03:34.079
this. Let me set the scene. There's a very famous

01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:37.860
popular show in Canada. I think it's called The

01:03:37.860 --> 01:03:40.400
Social. And it's like the American TV show The

01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:42.239
View. Remember that show? Does anyone know that

01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:44.000
show? Essentially, there's a panel of women,

01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.619
all famous in some respect. And it's a talk show

01:03:46.619 --> 01:03:48.840
host in the morning. and they talk about stuff.

01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.239
So there's an equivalent in Canada called social.

01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:54.019
Not particularly a fan because I think it's full

01:03:54.019 --> 01:03:56.659
of a lot of misinformation. And I actually saw

01:03:56.659 --> 01:04:01.320
on the internet here on some social media, I

01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.440
don't know where, whether it was posted in a

01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:06.800
group or on WeChat channels, but it was a clip

01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:08.780
from the social and they were talking about AI

01:04:08.780 --> 01:04:14.059
and this expert was on and she was trying to

01:04:14.059 --> 01:04:18.039
solve the problem of students using AI to write

01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:23.239
essays. And she said, we need to essentially,

01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:29.000
you know, use AI to kind of extend the challenge

01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:32.739
of writing essays for students by saying, okay,

01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:36.679
go home and write the essay with AI, and then

01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:39.900
come back to school the next day and then critique

01:04:39.900 --> 01:04:42.659
the writing of AI. And I think that's really

01:04:42.659 --> 01:04:48.130
redundant. So my question, I guess, is, how do

01:04:48.130 --> 01:04:52.550
we use AI in school to help students? It's a

01:04:52.550 --> 01:04:55.570
big discussion that we have. I think it's important

01:04:55.570 --> 01:04:59.590
to remember that we've had pockets calculators

01:04:59.590 --> 01:05:03.429
for decades that has not destroyed mathematics.

01:05:03.969 --> 01:05:08.449
No, it didn't. A pocket calculator helps you

01:05:08.449 --> 01:05:11.829
think faster. I'll give you that much, you know.

01:05:12.070 --> 01:05:14.769
But for an essay, it totally takes all of the

01:05:14.769 --> 01:05:18.489
work out of it. For a student, there's this writing,

01:05:18.570 --> 01:05:20.070
and the student will go, here it is, it's a bunch

01:05:20.070 --> 01:05:23.750
of words. And the pocket calculator, Tom, maybe

01:05:23.750 --> 01:05:27.070
you make a good point, because in math, the way

01:05:27.070 --> 01:05:30.670
I learned it, you know, I know I'm old, but I'm

01:05:30.670 --> 01:05:32.570
not that old because the calculator existed.

01:05:32.949 --> 01:05:36.329
We always have to show the work when we do an

01:05:36.329 --> 01:05:39.010
equation, or when we show an answer for math.

01:05:39.019 --> 01:05:41.300
We have to do the work to show who got to that

01:05:41.300 --> 01:05:43.460
answer. And I say you can't really do that. I

01:05:43.460 --> 01:05:47.460
have an answer to this question. OK. The way

01:05:47.460 --> 01:05:51.420
that I use AI, I probably use AI more than any

01:05:51.420 --> 01:05:54.159
other teacher in our school. Yeah, I would agree.

01:05:56.079 --> 01:06:00.300
And what I recently did is our unit is how we

01:06:00.300 --> 01:06:05.480
organize ourselves. And it's about resource handling

01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:10.050
and where things come from. So like the supply

01:06:10.050 --> 01:06:12.949
chain basically. And what I chose for my students,

01:06:13.070 --> 01:06:15.030
one is we're doing a stock market simulation,

01:06:15.349 --> 01:06:19.429
which I sent you, right? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

01:06:20.710 --> 01:06:23.190
That's been polished now and it's working well.

01:06:23.530 --> 01:06:28.429
And then the other part is I had them watch a

01:06:28.429 --> 01:06:31.880
video on how Lego is made. and where it comes

01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:34.119
from and the history of Lego because they all

01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:37.800
have an interest in Lego. Then I had AI take

01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:41.800
that video and disseminate it and create like

01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:47.360
little group info sheets and I had it do some

01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:49.579
things that aren't real. I had to change the

01:06:49.579 --> 01:06:52.699
stats and stuff. I gave it to my students and

01:06:52.699 --> 01:06:55.400
I told them that I used AI to make this information

01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:59.210
and they're... Their job is to write a paragraph

01:06:59.210 --> 01:07:02.909
about where Lego comes from, how they think it

01:07:02.909 --> 01:07:06.150
works, and then their homework is to go home

01:07:06.150 --> 01:07:09.190
and fact check everything that they do. Okay.

01:07:09.570 --> 01:07:11.889
And then come back and rewrite the paragraph

01:07:11.889 --> 01:07:14.949
in a way that is true. And then identify where

01:07:14.949 --> 01:07:16.909
AI was wrong and where they were. So I think

01:07:16.909 --> 01:07:20.690
Ruby did what a lady on the TV show suggested.

01:07:20.690 --> 01:07:21.630
That's a really good idea. You're very creative.

01:07:21.929 --> 01:07:26.260
Thank you. I have to understand this. So they

01:07:26.260 --> 01:07:29.099
wrote a paragraph by themselves in class. They

01:07:29.099 --> 01:07:32.159
watched a video. I gave them information. They

01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:34.820
paraphrased the information and organized it

01:07:34.820 --> 01:07:37.280
in a sequential fashion to create a paragraph.

01:07:37.380 --> 01:07:40.860
By themselves. By themselves. No AI. No AI. But

01:07:40.860 --> 01:07:43.980
the information was generated by AI. That's okay.

01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:48.389
Because it's just an example. they use to help

01:07:48.389 --> 01:07:50.570
them get the skills. And as far as English skills

01:07:50.570 --> 01:07:53.349
go, nothing has changed. Right. It's the same

01:07:53.349 --> 01:07:55.349
skills here. So in that respect, us using the

01:07:55.349 --> 01:07:57.110
AI, I think is not the problem. Yeah. Because

01:07:57.110 --> 01:07:58.789
we know how to use it responsibly. And the kids

01:07:58.789 --> 01:08:01.210
don't have the skills we want them to have. And

01:08:01.210 --> 01:08:04.130
the issue is, they just go home, they get AI

01:08:04.130 --> 01:08:07.769
to generate it, and then... But now the transferable

01:08:07.769 --> 01:08:10.010
skill is, if they go home and they get AI to

01:08:10.010 --> 01:08:12.610
generate it, they have an example of when AI

01:08:12.610 --> 01:08:15.409
was wrong, and they know how to fact check. They

01:08:15.409 --> 01:08:19.069
know how to fact check. But even so, I think...

01:08:19.069 --> 01:08:21.989
We can't make them run the mile. They're never

01:08:21.989 --> 01:08:24.130
going to have to run the mile. Yeah, and that's

01:08:24.130 --> 01:08:27.670
the issue. So the way to get... My personal...

01:08:27.670 --> 01:08:30.529
What I would want is to say, okay, tomorrow you're

01:08:30.529 --> 01:08:33.670
going to write your essay in class, and then

01:08:33.670 --> 01:08:35.989
your homework is to do the research for the points

01:08:35.989 --> 01:08:37.970
you want to use, something like that, and get

01:08:37.970 --> 01:08:40.609
the sources. And they'll have to come into class

01:08:40.609 --> 01:08:44.609
and write the material in class. For me, as a

01:08:44.609 --> 01:08:46.630
student, that would have never worked because

01:08:46.630 --> 01:08:49.810
my points form as I do the research. Right. Well,

01:08:50.130 --> 01:08:52.470
I know. But what can you do now? Because they're

01:08:52.470 --> 01:08:54.750
just going to go home and they're just going

01:08:54.750 --> 01:08:58.430
to use AI. That's what I think. Yeah. The reason

01:08:58.430 --> 01:09:02.789
why we have to write so many essays is to present

01:09:02.789 --> 01:09:06.270
form and present your ideas and arguments. You

01:09:06.270 --> 01:09:08.810
need to have something interesting to write about

01:09:08.810 --> 01:09:12.140
that you come up with. and if the kids' cards

01:09:12.140 --> 01:09:15.279
come up with ideas and interesting thoughts by

01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:18.619
themselves, there's really no point to it. So

01:09:18.619 --> 01:09:21.739
you just have to think about how else can you

01:09:21.739 --> 01:09:25.600
assess children to find out they have interesting

01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:29.819
ideas about works and can form arguments and

01:09:29.819 --> 01:09:33.279
present them. I just think they just need that

01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:37.560
practice of writing or creating something, you

01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:41.810
know. with their minds. What are tons of things

01:09:41.810 --> 01:09:45.470
we do? It's kind of like, maybe this is a bad

01:09:45.470 --> 01:09:49.350
analogy, but we drive a car, and it's a tool

01:09:49.350 --> 01:09:51.529
we use to get places. But when the car breaks

01:09:51.529 --> 01:09:55.390
down, we don't know how to fix it. So we don't

01:09:55.390 --> 01:09:57.510
have those skills, but we're using the thing

01:09:57.510 --> 01:10:01.010
to get the results. And it's kind of how students

01:10:01.010 --> 01:10:04.699
use AI, they get the results. and you know when

01:10:04.699 --> 01:10:07.140
disaster comes oh well across that bridge when

01:10:07.140 --> 01:10:09.460
i get there are there resources to help it's

01:10:09.460 --> 01:10:11.500
my they're not they're not self -sufficient is

01:10:11.500 --> 01:10:14.420
what i really i really like teaching early years

01:10:14.420 --> 01:10:17.539
is because i don't need to worry about this this

01:10:17.539 --> 01:10:23.279
is a one -off problem like my five -year -olds

01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:27.060
are not using the ipads for ai they're trying

01:10:27.060 --> 01:10:30.060
to sneak on to pokey or like cool laughs games

01:10:30.060 --> 01:10:34.130
dot com or something Something to consider for

01:10:34.130 --> 01:10:37.090
you is how much screen time do your students

01:10:37.090 --> 01:10:40.310
have outside of school? Oh, I've got kids who

01:10:40.310 --> 01:10:44.270
are massively addicted to their iPads or Nintendo

01:10:44.270 --> 01:10:49.430
Switch. And I try to communicate to the parents

01:10:49.430 --> 01:10:52.819
constantly about this. they can get addicted

01:10:52.819 --> 01:10:55.920
they are already addicted and it will have harmful

01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:59.220
effects on them for the rest of their lives and

01:10:59.220 --> 01:11:01.819
the longer you leave it the worse it will get

01:11:01.819 --> 01:11:05.760
but lots of parents nowadays don't really believe

01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:08.800
that or they don't have the time or they're like

01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:12.220
oh well it's educational so therefore it's okay

01:11:12.220 --> 01:11:15.520
when really i think All screen time is kind of

01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:18.159
like bad screen time. I think so too. Why do

01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:20.760
you think screen time is bad? He said all screen

01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:22.939
time. Well, because it's what the kids are looking

01:11:22.939 --> 01:11:25.920
at. Really. It's not really interesting. As long

01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:28.319
as you're not saying, in my opinion, as long

01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:30.979
as you're not saying the fact that you're looking

01:11:30.979 --> 01:11:33.420
at a screen is bad for you because it's damaging

01:11:33.420 --> 01:11:36.960
your eyes. No, no, no. Kids on the screen. It's

01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:39.239
not about your eyes. It's about your brain. That's

01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:43.979
the issue. This is something that I have a problem.

01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:50.859
Is that shooting? No. Don't worry about it. Okay,

01:11:50.979 --> 01:11:55.300
never mind. I've completely lost my train of

01:11:55.300 --> 01:12:03.699
thought. Kids, screen time is not bad. It's just

01:12:03.699 --> 01:12:06.060
a game. Kids are just playing. No, this is the

01:12:06.060 --> 01:12:08.100
thing I have a problem with. The games that we

01:12:08.100 --> 01:12:11.270
used to play when we were growing up. Yeah. are

01:12:11.270 --> 01:12:12.630
different to the games that kids are playing

01:12:12.630 --> 01:12:17.470
now. Yeah. Because the games that we were playing

01:12:17.470 --> 01:12:21.930
were... But I might also be wrong because I don't

01:12:21.930 --> 01:12:25.350
think Pokemon falls under this category necessarily.

01:12:25.670 --> 01:12:28.569
The games that we were playing taught you indirectly

01:12:28.569 --> 01:12:32.630
resource management, mathematics, English, like

01:12:32.630 --> 01:12:35.090
a whole bunch of things. Vocabulary that you

01:12:35.090 --> 01:12:37.189
weren't familiar with, I think that still happens

01:12:37.189 --> 01:12:41.729
here today, but... Yeah. It doesn't happen in

01:12:41.729 --> 01:12:43.789
the target language that you often want to because

01:12:43.789 --> 01:12:46.250
often parents are complaining, my kid's not learning

01:12:46.250 --> 01:12:51.689
English. And a lot of the games are just like

01:12:51.689 --> 01:12:57.369
dopamine based instead of skill based. I don't

01:12:57.369 --> 01:13:02.109
know what the benefits were when I played video

01:13:02.109 --> 01:13:04.449
games as a kid. I played them a lot. So I think

01:13:04.449 --> 01:13:08.210
they actually did instill in me a love of reading

01:13:08.210 --> 01:13:10.420
because the games I played were... role playing

01:13:10.420 --> 01:13:12.220
games for the most part like a lot of role playing

01:13:12.220 --> 01:13:14.680
games you always had to read and you know depending

01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:17.859
on the creators those games did base a lot of

01:13:17.859 --> 01:13:21.039
their ideas on like greater mythology so that's

01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:22.699
how i had that like kind of trivial knowledge

01:13:22.699 --> 01:13:25.859
of things like greek mythology whatever what

01:13:25.859 --> 01:13:28.279
have you so in that respect i learned things

01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:32.739
that way um from those games but you know today

01:13:32.739 --> 01:13:35.079
with kids it's just like touch touch touch just

01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:41.119
coins coins coins coins exactly yeah So when

01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:44.399
I was doing my teaching certification I wrote

01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:50.520
my thesis about screen addiction in early years

01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:54.420
and when I try to go out and find research that

01:13:54.420 --> 01:13:57.579
other people had done and find sources it's all

01:13:57.579 --> 01:14:01.119
about like teenage boys who get addicted to Call

01:14:01.119 --> 01:14:04.220
of Duty. and then the mental effects that has,

01:14:04.539 --> 01:14:09.239
such as anger, stress, not being able to hold

01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:13.420
a real relationship anymore, and then all the

01:14:13.420 --> 01:14:15.739
negative effects that disseminate from this.

01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:20.279
No one really has looked into the effects on...

01:14:20.510 --> 01:14:23.289
really little kids but actually it could be more

01:14:23.289 --> 01:14:26.069
profound because their brains are incredibly

01:14:26.069 --> 01:14:30.270
plastic and they will adapt to their environment

01:14:30.270 --> 01:14:34.310
much more. So when I have kids who are like five

01:14:34.310 --> 01:14:38.770
years old and already addicted to like Pikmin

01:14:38.770 --> 01:14:44.090
or Luigi's Mansion and then like I tell them

01:14:44.090 --> 01:14:47.390
to do art in class or we do a project and they're

01:14:47.390 --> 01:14:50.729
like, oh, I can't do this. I only want iPads

01:14:50.729 --> 01:14:53.890
or I only want my Switch or Nintendo or whatever.

01:14:54.550 --> 01:14:57.069
Then it starts to become really, really difficult.

01:14:57.710 --> 01:15:01.130
And especially after the pandemic where we normalised

01:15:01.130 --> 01:15:05.250
a lot of screen time and online education, because

01:15:05.250 --> 01:15:09.020
we kind of had to at the time. The kids really

01:15:09.020 --> 01:15:13.140
do have like much more profound symptoms of stress,

01:15:13.579 --> 01:15:17.560
anxiety, not being able to focus on a task for

01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:22.539
a long time. And this is like, we want to break

01:15:22.539 --> 01:15:25.439
that habit. We want to get kids to try and read

01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:29.779
a book instead of reading on Epic, which is really,

01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:31.680
really challenging. You're like, read the book.

01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:35.539
Oh, no. Read on Epic. Oh, yeah, I can do that.

01:15:36.460 --> 01:15:39.760
Why should that be the case? Do you not have

01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:43.680
Epic in your school? No, we don't. Epic is like

01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:47.880
an online reading platform for kids and it has

01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:50.359
like 10 ,000 books but it's just like on your

01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:54.239
iPad. So kids would be happy to read on their

01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:57.100
iPads, but not read in real life. It's weird,

01:15:57.180 --> 01:16:00.520
eh? There's this weird fetishization of technology.

01:16:00.779 --> 01:16:03.880
If it's technical, if it's technology, it's somehow

01:16:03.880 --> 01:16:06.579
fun. Is it a game of fine as well? No, I don't

01:16:06.579 --> 01:16:09.359
think it is. Yeah, they get points and they could

01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:11.720
get badges for reading books. Oh, really? Ah.

01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:14.279
So every time we read a book, that one goes up.

01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:15.979
I don't know how they're reading that. How do

01:16:15.979 --> 01:16:17.439
we know that they've finished reading the book?

01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:20.659
Yeah. seriously it doesn't you could just like

01:16:20.659 --> 01:16:22.880
skip through the pages and i know it's still

01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:31.720
giving me they're junkies do you know marx and

01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:35.340
spencer uh yeah is it a it's like yeah it's like

01:16:35.340 --> 01:16:37.819
a british supermarket yeah i was gonna say grocery

01:16:37.819 --> 01:16:41.260
store brand yeah yeah i know yeah and you you

01:16:41.260 --> 01:16:43.699
can't get it in china like the closest place

01:16:43.699 --> 01:16:46.340
is hong kong they have one in malaysia and i

01:16:46.340 --> 01:16:49.159
went there and i bought like all the really expensive

01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:51.760
British candies and chocolates and then like

01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:54.500
in one of my hotels which was like a jungle hut

01:16:54.500 --> 01:16:57.680
like a fucking rat broken and started eating

01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:01.020
my expensive British chocolate and I was like

01:17:01.020 --> 01:17:04.100
you fucking asshole like there was like fresh

01:17:04.100 --> 01:17:06.380
fruit out of the bowl I was like I don't want

01:17:06.380 --> 01:17:08.899
the fresh fruit I'm gonna steal your fucking

01:17:08.899 --> 01:17:18.449
international candy you know The candy was expensive.

01:17:18.710 --> 01:17:21.289
Wait, it was Malaysia, you said? Yeah, but you

01:17:21.289 --> 01:17:23.689
go to Marks and Spencer, it's all imported from

01:17:23.689 --> 01:17:26.350
the UK. There's still a lot of money there. I

01:17:26.350 --> 01:17:28.550
always imagine just like imports in China are

01:17:28.550 --> 01:17:30.869
just stupidly expensive. I never imagine they

01:17:30.869 --> 01:17:33.170
are expensive anywhere else. I always imagine

01:17:33.170 --> 01:17:34.970
they're reasonable. Well, it's just because it's

01:17:34.970 --> 01:17:37.109
like Marks and Spencer's, which is sort of like

01:17:37.109 --> 01:17:41.050
a posh, high -class supermarket, so it's already

01:17:41.050 --> 01:17:45.029
kind of expensive. Anyway, that rat destroys

01:17:45.029 --> 01:17:49.750
it like about like... 70 quies worth of, uh,

01:17:49.829 --> 01:17:53.569
cookies. I was pissed off with it. Are you a

01:17:53.569 --> 01:17:56.710
rat? Yeah, I know. It's like, uh, anytime I go

01:17:56.710 --> 01:17:59.729
past an M &S, I need to get some stuff because

01:17:59.729 --> 01:18:04.409
you just can't get it in China, so I have to

01:18:04.409 --> 01:18:09.550
gorge myself. Reasonable. Mm -hmm. Whatever it

01:18:09.550 --> 01:18:11.029
may be. I know, he's bought me hot chocolate

01:18:11.029 --> 01:18:14.989
from... Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, anyway... Little

01:18:14.989 --> 01:18:17.829
kids are all addicted to their iPads. It's really

01:18:17.829 --> 01:18:23.810
bad. And modern teaching practices are like glorifying

01:18:23.810 --> 01:18:27.770
like the use of AI. Because I think teachers

01:18:27.770 --> 01:18:31.069
realize AI is here to stay. So all the recent

01:18:31.069 --> 01:18:33.109
teaching training is like, how do you use AI?

01:18:33.229 --> 01:18:35.869
How can your students use more AI in the classroom

01:18:35.869 --> 01:18:40.630
safely? And I think screen addiction will get

01:18:40.630 --> 01:18:45.960
worse. do away with homework if it has to if

01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:49.579
ai's an issue here's here's what i i think that

01:18:49.579 --> 01:18:53.100
i've said it before all after school activities

01:18:53.100 --> 01:18:56.220
should just be completely nullified they shouldn't

01:18:56.220 --> 01:19:00.579
exist unless the child expresses extreme interest

01:19:00.579 --> 01:19:03.260
in doing something like sport clubs and stuff

01:19:03.260 --> 01:19:05.800
sports clubs sports clubs are fine but like after

01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:08.300
school english lessons after school any lessons

01:19:08.300 --> 01:19:11.720
in some kind we don't do that should just be

01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:14.539
illegal No, I think lessons are fine. I think

01:19:14.539 --> 01:19:16.720
it's just don't give homework cuz they're just

01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:18.300
gonna blow up. And homework shouldn't exist.

01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:20.319
Unless you're gonna have parents that are going

01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:23.680
to... But homework has never been useful. Never.

01:19:24.039 --> 01:19:26.319
I mean, that's the argument. I don't know. I

01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:28.279
don't know the data. I mean, I did homework.

01:19:28.539 --> 01:19:30.880
I don't know if it helped me. I just had to do

01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:33.479
homework cuz I was... On the scale of how much

01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:36.000
it helps, homework is negligible. Okay. Well,

01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:37.600
then there you go. That's the answer. Then why

01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:40.529
does school still... push for home. Because it's

01:19:40.529 --> 01:19:44.289
a, it's a society instilled idea of something.

01:19:44.970 --> 01:19:48.289
Yeah. Maybe. Like, China made it the law that

01:19:48.289 --> 01:19:51.409
you cannot give five -year -olds written homework

01:19:51.409 --> 01:19:55.050
anymore. So legally, iCards give homework. Parents

01:19:55.050 --> 01:19:59.750
still, parents still ask me, like every single

01:19:59.750 --> 01:20:01.310
parent -teacher meeting, they're like, Oh, can

01:20:01.310 --> 01:20:03.590
you give more homework? I'm like, no, legally

01:20:03.590 --> 01:20:10.930
iCards, no. They want their kids to suffer. Same

01:20:10.930 --> 01:20:13.069
thing with training centers. We're finishing

01:20:13.069 --> 01:20:18.229
up AI. I think we have pretty different opinions.

01:20:18.470 --> 01:20:22.170
I think our opinions are similar. I don't think

01:20:22.170 --> 01:20:28.029
that screen time in and of itself is necessarily

01:20:28.029 --> 01:20:30.210
a problem. I think the applications that are

01:20:30.210 --> 01:20:34.229
being used are the problem. Now we're talking

01:20:34.229 --> 01:20:37.369
about screen time though, not AI. the use of

01:20:37.369 --> 01:20:41.569
AI yeah okay and then for AI I think there is

01:20:41.569 --> 01:20:45.729
an easy there is a solution yeah what I what

01:20:45.729 --> 01:20:47.670
I what I guess what I'm trying to argue is that

01:20:47.670 --> 01:20:51.789
we should not essentially secede to AI and try

01:20:51.789 --> 01:20:54.829
and find you know better solutions that accept

01:20:54.829 --> 01:20:59.279
the the kind of like sinister use of AI So for

01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:02.000
example, oh, have the kids go home and use AI

01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:04.439
to write an essay and then come to class and

01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:07.060
have the kids critique that essay. Well, what

01:21:07.060 --> 01:21:08.979
what's the point of that? Hey, how about we just

01:21:08.979 --> 01:21:11.479
have them write the essay in class? Yeah, it

01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:13.699
should be that that scenario should be swapped

01:21:13.699 --> 01:21:15.779
around. Yeah, like don't give your don't give

01:21:15.779 --> 01:21:18.739
your students a homework that has them rely on

01:21:18.739 --> 01:21:22.000
AI. Yes, you can do it. You can use AI to do

01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:24.279
everything, but don't give them something that's

01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:27.060
so overwhelming. They have to go to AI. That's

01:21:27.060 --> 01:21:29.520
just all there is to it. That's it. Rather than

01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:34.119
homework, give them like study hall hours, like

01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:36.539
after school classes, be like there's a study

01:21:36.539 --> 01:21:38.640
hall where you can use the school computers that

01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:42.100
have like AI applications blocked. So you can

01:21:42.100 --> 01:21:44.239
do like research and time to write your essays,

01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:47.619
which is more difficult to organize but would

01:21:47.619 --> 01:21:50.840
solve the problem, maybe. It depends on the space,

01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:53.260
it depends on the school. Yeah, like poor schools

01:21:53.260 --> 01:21:55.880
can't do that. The socioeconomic status of the

01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:58.000
students. I mean, there might be a benefit you

01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:01.039
know the kids who can't afford the irony might

01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:04.319
be that kids who can't afford you know let's

01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:07.699
say computers can't use AI and then they have

01:22:07.699 --> 01:22:10.020
to think by themselves and they might surpass

01:22:10.020 --> 01:22:13.359
those more privileged kids who can say but I

01:22:13.359 --> 01:22:16.779
just yeah I have to say I hate the this this

01:22:16.779 --> 01:22:20.000
kowtowing to AI I think it's just absurd yeah

01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:23.000
like lots of people keep on coming up with like

01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:26.239
ideas on how to incorporate it but not all of

01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:29.189
them are very good like very few of them are

01:22:29.189 --> 01:22:31.289
like good and like none of them strike at the

01:22:31.289 --> 01:22:34.270
issue of like can you get a kid to write a thousand

01:22:34.270 --> 01:22:36.710
words essay anymore because you get them to write

01:22:36.710 --> 01:22:40.149
five sides of a four just with their own pure

01:22:40.149 --> 01:22:45.390
thoughts and no okay maybe maybe we can make

01:22:45.390 --> 01:22:49.029
this analogy maybe i can make several silly analogies

01:22:49.029 --> 01:22:52.199
um You know, you want to get muscles, but you

01:22:52.199 --> 01:22:54.000
don't want to put in the work. So you don't do

01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:56.659
the weightlifting, what does? The steroids? Maybe.

01:22:56.840 --> 01:23:00.500
Yeah, I agree. I get what you're saying. I'll

01:23:00.500 --> 01:23:03.500
just get that guy to lift weights for me. How

01:23:03.500 --> 01:23:05.859
do you do it, you know? You pay the doctor to

01:23:05.859 --> 01:23:08.479
put the oil in your... You like those guys in

01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:11.939
South America who have... Synth oil. Synth oil?

01:23:12.020 --> 01:23:14.260
Synth oil? Is that what it is? Synth oil. It's

01:23:14.260 --> 01:23:20.079
like that. Yeah, so like, there we go. Same thing.

01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:23.220
I declare it's the same thing. Anyway, yeah.

01:23:23.380 --> 01:23:25.479
What do you think, Tom? Uh, I agree. We should,

01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:29.260
like, nuke AI from orbit. No, no, no. Don't go

01:23:29.260 --> 01:23:32.220
that far. We need it. It's helpful. I think that

01:23:32.220 --> 01:23:35.500
was not an agreement. Okay, I know. Now I feel

01:23:35.500 --> 01:23:37.979
like I'm a big hypocrite. Like, we get up to

01:23:37.979 --> 01:23:40.640
nukes and suddenly everyone gets scared. But

01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:43.859
come on, like... The copywriters need their jobs

01:23:43.859 --> 01:23:47.600
back. The digital artists, they want their jobs

01:23:47.600 --> 01:23:52.760
back. AI will come for us soon. They will try

01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:56.520
to replace teachers with AI. It will suck, but

01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:58.979
it will be good enough for them to accept it.

01:23:59.159 --> 01:24:01.180
AI doesn't need to be good, it just needs to

01:24:01.180 --> 01:24:04.529
be good enough to justify the plaguing. replacing

01:24:04.529 --> 01:24:07.869
a human yeah yeah you're yeah fair like you can

01:24:07.869 --> 01:24:10.909
use ai to make let's say like assessments tests

01:24:10.909 --> 01:24:13.850
but you also have to scrutinize the answers the

01:24:13.850 --> 01:24:15.970
ai gives you because it really doesn't know ai

01:24:15.970 --> 01:24:18.710
reaches into the corpus of the internet and just

01:24:18.710 --> 01:24:21.529
it's not it's not sentient it just looks for

01:24:21.529 --> 01:24:24.510
things yeah and makes camera comparison that's

01:24:24.510 --> 01:24:27.710
right and just like makes a bricolage and says

01:24:27.710 --> 01:24:30.270
here you go but it doesn't really think i've

01:24:30.470 --> 01:24:32.869
I think so, but I don't think a lot of people

01:24:32.869 --> 01:24:35.149
know that really they don't really try and they

01:24:35.149 --> 01:24:37.069
don't pay attention but that's why that's why

01:24:37.069 --> 01:24:40.369
the way that you use AI the way that you articulate

01:24:40.369 --> 01:24:42.989
your questions yeah and the way that you set

01:24:42.989 --> 01:24:46.350
forth your expectation is so important even when

01:24:46.350 --> 01:24:47.930
you think you do it well though AI still kind

01:24:47.930 --> 01:24:50.750
of messes up yeah and I always find myself shouting

01:24:50.750 --> 01:24:53.069
at AI be like how do you not understand me which

01:24:53.069 --> 01:24:55.590
is really silly because I should know better

01:24:55.590 --> 01:24:59.180
anyway so what I've been doing lately is I'm

01:24:59.180 --> 01:25:02.359
using AI for multiple aspects of my daily life

01:25:02.359 --> 01:25:05.640
right now. Okay. I'm paying for chat GPT. Yeah.

01:25:05.899 --> 01:25:10.579
I have seven different projects that are standard

01:25:10.579 --> 01:25:14.600
and daily chats. So those are, and you can have

01:25:14.600 --> 01:25:17.279
more projects, but the thing is because of this,

01:25:17.380 --> 01:25:19.140
I've been doing this for about three months and

01:25:19.140 --> 01:25:23.310
I kind of chat GPT. has a good idea of who I

01:25:23.310 --> 01:25:27.170
am, because of all of these different aspects.

01:25:27.270 --> 01:25:30.189
And when I want something for myself, I wouldn't

01:25:30.189 --> 01:25:33.630
recommend ever using this to give to someone,

01:25:33.989 --> 01:25:38.069
like to say, write me this and it purely to give

01:25:38.069 --> 01:25:40.069
to someone. Like if you do that, it would be

01:25:40.069 --> 01:25:42.029
a draft and then you read through it and then

01:25:42.029 --> 01:25:44.029
you change it. Right. But a lot of the procedural

01:25:44.029 --> 01:25:50.350
stuff that you do, I can tell, hey, write me

01:25:50.350 --> 01:25:54.369
up. write me a bio specifically for this website

01:25:54.369 --> 01:25:57.770
based on your memory of me and then the thing

01:25:57.770 --> 01:26:01.109
that it gives me is I'm like yeah sure you you

01:26:01.109 --> 01:26:03.510
carry I change one or two things yeah and then

01:26:03.510 --> 01:26:06.550
it's then it's on point yeah because it's using

01:26:06.550 --> 01:26:08.989
a corpus not of the internet it's using a corpus

01:26:08.989 --> 01:26:12.869
of my feedback yeah that's true that's a good

01:26:12.869 --> 01:26:15.729
point yeah I mean yeah I mean I'm not saying

01:26:15.729 --> 01:26:19.819
it's like not useful I'm just saying that Once

01:26:19.819 --> 01:26:22.720
people start to rely on it too much, it's going

01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:26.560
to become a problem. Agreed. Yeah, there's no

01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:28.560
doubt about it. I mean, there's so many, there's

01:26:28.560 --> 01:26:32.039
a myriad of things we can discuss revolving around

01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:35.420
AI and its issues. It will come up again. Yeah,

01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:38.079
but today the topic is students and homework

01:26:38.079 --> 01:26:44.779
in AI. Like back in the 1800s. I think, no, the

01:26:44.779 --> 01:26:48.819
answer is no. Back in the 1800s. Yeah. Sorry.

01:26:49.460 --> 01:26:51.000
Wait, wait, wait. I'm going to interrupt you,

01:26:51.079 --> 01:26:52.899
Tom. Here's what I think AI should be used for,

01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:54.979
for children. Okay. Here's your homework tax,

01:26:55.140 --> 01:26:57.600
kids. You come to class, guess what? I'm not

01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:00.140
teaching you squat. Your homework today is ask

01:27:00.140 --> 01:27:04.140
AI to teach you how to do whatever. Teach you

01:27:04.140 --> 01:27:05.979
how to do algebra. And then tomorrow I'm going

01:27:05.979 --> 01:27:09.039
to test you. Wouldn't that be like an interesting

01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:12.340
thing to do? I think that is cool. That's really

01:27:12.340 --> 01:27:13.960
cool. I'm going to try that with my students.

01:27:14.239 --> 01:27:16.039
I'm going to see if that works. That'd be great.

01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:17.579
That's the only good thing I think you could

01:27:17.579 --> 01:27:21.140
do with AI. Get it to do your job for you. Let's

01:27:21.140 --> 01:27:24.079
see how badly it does it. Don't worry, Tom. They're

01:27:24.079 --> 01:27:25.640
not going to come for us. We're going to come

01:27:25.640 --> 01:27:27.500
for ourselves, apparently. And you're not. Don't

01:27:27.500 --> 01:27:29.100
worry about you, Tom, because you teach, you

01:27:29.100 --> 01:27:32.579
know, little babies. He's making himself obsolete.

01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:37.439
OK. Ask AI. Go ask AI how to write an essay and

01:27:37.439 --> 01:27:39.619
then write an essay. It's giving planned obsolescence

01:27:39.619 --> 01:27:43.279
a whole new meaning. True. That is actually really

01:27:43.279 --> 01:27:45.359
good. You know, I think I will try that, though.

01:27:45.500 --> 01:27:48.659
Yes to one class see the results i get go try

01:27:48.659 --> 01:27:50.859
and see how it teaches you and then the next

01:27:50.859 --> 01:27:53.720
class i'm going to say okay do it actually that's

01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:55.819
a that's a class that's a classified teacher

01:27:55.819 --> 01:27:58.939
role you're becoming the facilitator yeah yeah

01:27:58.939 --> 01:28:02.159
and the monitor yeah there we cracked it case

01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:07.600
closed change the role of teachers from from

01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:09.619
from from the previous how many roles are there

01:28:09.619 --> 01:28:13.640
five to only to look inside don't ask me i just

01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:16.760
i just work here anyway i think i think that

01:28:16.760 --> 01:28:20.060
i think the answer yeah to conclude this is no

01:28:20.060 --> 01:28:22.819
right answer yet yeah i don't know yeah there

01:28:22.819 --> 01:28:27.500
is a really really interesting video on youtube

01:28:27.500 --> 01:28:31.220
by a famous guy called cgp gray have you seen

01:28:31.220 --> 01:28:34.380
cgp gray before ruby has about 10 it was about

01:28:34.380 --> 01:28:37.920
10 years ago now he made a video about robots

01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:43.010
and is a 30 -minute long video. It's really interesting.

01:28:43.289 --> 01:28:46.949
It basically says robots already came for manual

01:28:46.949 --> 01:28:50.529
labor jobs. Yes. But people did not get more

01:28:50.529 --> 01:28:53.529
wealthy. It's the horse thing, right? There are

01:28:53.529 --> 01:28:57.430
still horses working, which is a lot fewer. Cars

01:28:57.430 --> 01:29:00.369
do not make life better for horses, you know.

01:29:00.550 --> 01:29:04.149
Isn't the word robot, I'm gonna check on my phone,

01:29:04.329 --> 01:29:06.590
like a check word for slave or something? It

01:29:06.590 --> 01:29:09.520
is, yes. Something sinister like that. um and

01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:12.720
now robots will come for white collar jobs or

01:29:12.720 --> 01:29:16.380
intellectual jobs and then what will be left

01:29:16.380 --> 01:29:19.640
like what will the economy look like when everyone

01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:22.100
is just doing things with robots but i think

01:29:22.100 --> 01:29:25.699
and there's the singularity the takeaway from

01:29:25.699 --> 01:29:28.039
that video is that we need to rethink the way

01:29:28.039 --> 01:29:31.720
that our economy works instead of because we're

01:29:31.720 --> 01:29:33.840
not going to be able to horses weren't able to

01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:35.739
stop cars and we're not going to be able to stop

01:29:35.739 --> 01:29:39.189
ai it is coming yeah So we need to figure out

01:29:39.189 --> 01:29:44.350
how to deal with it before it kills us. But the

01:29:44.350 --> 01:29:46.550
millionaires and billionaires who own the AI

01:29:46.550 --> 01:29:54.970
don't have the same problems as us. Yeah. They

01:29:54.970 --> 01:29:58.130
do not need to worry about rent. Yes, but they

01:29:58.130 --> 01:30:00.630
do need to worry about who can buy their products

01:30:00.630 --> 01:30:03.069
so they can stay millionaires. So I do think

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there is a... Elon Musk is not rich in a vacuum.

01:30:10.630 --> 01:30:16.869
That's my point. My conspiracy theory is Elon

01:30:16.869 --> 01:30:20.529
Musk really has no money and as soon as America

01:30:20.529 --> 01:30:22.789
is tired of him, he'll be a poor man in the street.

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As soon as Twitter fails and banks come a calling,

01:30:26.989 --> 01:30:30.489
he's in deep shit. Well, he's probably not very

01:30:30.489 --> 01:30:33.229
happy about what's been happening this week.

01:30:33.550 --> 01:30:36.369
You mean getting pwned? In terms of international

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trade. All the sucking up he's been doing to

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Chinese government for the last few years to

01:30:42.050 --> 01:30:45.210
try and sell his cars here. And well, this has

01:30:45.210 --> 01:30:48.770
happened. So are they not, is Tesla doing bad

01:30:48.770 --> 01:30:51.229
in China now? I hear it's doing bad in America

01:30:51.229 --> 01:30:53.149
and places like Canada, but it's still doing

01:30:53.149 --> 01:30:57.170
great here. I'm not sure. I mean, in China they

01:30:57.170 --> 01:31:00.229
need to compete with all the other electric car

01:31:00.229 --> 01:31:02.439
brands. Yeah, and they're doing well. their thing

01:31:02.439 --> 01:31:05.460
was like they were luxury importers brands for

01:31:05.460 --> 01:31:09.340
like rich people um but but now goes get like

01:31:09.340 --> 01:31:12.479
over twice as expensive yeah they're really not

01:31:12.479 --> 01:31:14.800
doing well you mean tesla's not yeah i know that

01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:18.239
i mean the the chinese uh e -cars are doing well

01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:22.460
the chinese cars are doing well yeah like dyk

01:31:22.460 --> 01:31:25.880
like tesla's i think this is still tesla's biggest

01:31:25.880 --> 01:31:28.720
market uh -oh What do the locals feel after they

01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:30.260
bought all those Teslas though? They must feel

01:31:30.260 --> 01:31:31.880
really sick. Well, man, if you look at our school,

01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:34.479
there are so many new Model Ys, it's ridiculous.

01:31:35.220 --> 01:31:38.720
Yeah. Really? Yeah. Oh. Inundated the streets,

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and now people come to pick us up. The new Model

01:31:41.619 --> 01:31:44.760
Y looks like the car that the SS wanted to drive.

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Hi there. We're going to close off the episode

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there. I really hope that you enjoyed this diverse

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range of topics. If you like this episode, don't

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