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Hi, welcome to Kaleidoscope, episode 2, part

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B. Part A was already pretty deep, and it ended

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on the words, I ran out of candles. These words

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hint at the deeper struggles of identity and

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the fear of facing something unknown. In part

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B, we hear Roldia's prompt, and we place our

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hearts on the table. Join us to see what happens.

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Welcome to Kaleidoscope. That's my answer. I'm

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not going to elaborate. I'm joking. I mentioned

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the cave earlier and the cave -in. I'm not sure

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when... when the cave -in happened or happened

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over which cave -in it was, there were multiple

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over time. But the thing is, you don't know that

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you're in a cave. Or you know that you're in

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a cave, but you don't know that there's an outside.

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And you have unlimited candles. And as... When

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the first cave -in happened... I was so scared

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of the shaft of sunlight that I just lit more

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candles, enough candles to, just like what Raldia

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is kind of doing, to blind out the light. So

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many candles because I had unlimited. The thing,

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like in my little room where I had this shaft

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of light and all my candles. What you don't know

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is that the rest of your people around you, they

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all have doors in their rooms and they can go

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out. So anyway, for me, eventually I ran out

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of candles. Those candles were a myriad of things.

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Most of them linked to a masculine gender identity.

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Like going to an all -boys school, trying to

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marry early, thinking or insisting that I want

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kids and that I would be a good father, which

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I would have been, but I would have been an even

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better mother. And thinking that... All of these

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things I had to do in order to maintain that.

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And eventually, I just ran out of steam. When

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you have no candles, you must go into the light.

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And that's what happened. That's such a beautiful

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metaphor, Obie. It is. It is. I actually thought

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when you said, I ran out of candles, it was kind

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of like you ran out of patience for people, too.

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Nah. It's all internal. I was sexually deviant.

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If people talk about body counts, mine is horrendous.

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And I lived through Every experience that I had,

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my life was vicarious at best. Even with my wife

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now. She knows about this. I won't be with her.

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I don't like saying this because it sounds like

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a cliche. But it's also... It's a true cliche.

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It just shouldn't be misconstrued as being in

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the wrong body. But I fantasized as myself being

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a woman, like changing places. I thought that

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was normal for most of my life. That's why it

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was a candle. It's just normal. It's normal for

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you to... go out and think, oh, what a beautiful

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dress. I wish I could wear that. It sounds completely

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stupid now, saying that, but that's how I felt.

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I would go on a date with someone with a beautiful

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dress and I wanted to wear that dress for 35

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years of my life. And now finally I'm wearing

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a dress. Yeah. But that makes so much sense now.

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I think when we are just within ourselves, because

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the only experience we know is our experience,

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then it's like, oh, you know, this is normal.

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Probably everybody thinks this. Yeah, exactly.

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Right? Like, nobody thinks anything else. Yeah.

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Like, oh my gosh, look at that outfit. It's the

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same. Like, journey of people is the same. Yeah.

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Yeah, there's this one movie that my friend,

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shared with us in this other group chat right

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it's called uh but i'm a cheerleader i think

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it's called something like that and it's about

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this girl who is in a very religious family you

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know all american type of girl cheerleader has

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a boyfriend has been had that boyfriend he's

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a quarterback the most cliche american things

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that you can think of that's what she was um

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and then but i guess she is discovering that

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she likes girls right so her family being a very

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you know christian family send her to a camp

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um and she's having her first little group therapy

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and she's like but everybody thinks that everybody

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looks at girls and thinks oh look at her butt

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it's so nice but everybody you know everybody

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thinks this is as if and that's what that reminded

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me it's like because we are all in our own brains

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and our own thoughts we all think This is normal.

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This is how everybody is. Everybody has these

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thoughts. Like, there's nothing wrong with it.

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And I think it comes because we want to hide

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ourselves so much and fit into those boxes, I

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guess, that we do that to ourselves versus trying

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to understand what, rather than what I said earlier,

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the root of a cause, right? What is the root?

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Where is the stomach from? Where is this coming

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from? Knowing that it's coming from somewhere.

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That's the first step. Like understanding that

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there is a root. Thank you. Whatever, however

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dark it is. One of my favorite quotes right now

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is by Alexander Dumas from The Count of Monte

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Cristo. There is no such thing as happiness in

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the world, only the comparison of one state with

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another. You must have felt what it is to die

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to be able to experience supreme happiness. So...

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Yeah. We must know the lowest to be able to appreciate

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anything. Yeah, the joy that I feel now when

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I wake up in the morning and I'm like, oh, it's

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another day. I go, whoa, I'm a girl. It's worth

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it. Oh, I love that. I love that. I love that.

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Yeah, exactly. It just showcases That nothing

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should really be taken for granted too, though.

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Like, you have worked so hard for this that every

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day you should feel that level of appreciation.

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Every little barrier, like you were talking about

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the doctor, right? Every little thing like that

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should be celebrated because it's amazing. All

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of it is. And I know I sound very uppity and

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positive and all this, but trust me, I have been

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in the darkest. darkest points of where anybody

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can be. And because I've been there is why I

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can appreciate the sunlight on my face. Yeah.

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And you just have to keep doing that. Every day.

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It's a reminder. Every day. You have to remind

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yourself every day. I think it's a choice, you

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know. And some people are sad. It's just like

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a state. I don't think, it's not a state, it's

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a choice. It is. You know, if you acknowledge

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that there is, like, there are low points and

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high points in your life, right? But they're

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not states. They're constantly transforming.

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They're going up and down, up and down, up and

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down. And it is a choice whether you want to

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go through the down, right? Very smoothly. And

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it applies as well for the up. Because. Even

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for the ups. Too much of a good thing. Can be

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a bad thing. You know. That's true. But I want

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to say. When I was talking earlier. It sounded

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like. Maybe I regret my past. I don't. I don't

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think that. That anything that I did was done

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in a negative light or caused harm. Yeah. Like,

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overtly and anything other than incidental hurt

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to anyone, including myself. Right. Everything

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was benign and joyful. Like, I did not have a

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bad life. I was... I know now that I was depressed,

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but it manifested in ways that were mostly positive.

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Yeah. You know, I would love to live in a world

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where people get to do whatever the hell they

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want. If men wake up one day and they want to

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go buy that pretty dress and wear it, go for

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it. Go ahead. Do whatever. Express yourself.

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Express yourself. Know yourself. Like in every

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stage of your life. It's literally a background.

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It's how we express ourselves. Exactly. Exactly.

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If women one day want to dress Like a man, I

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don't know, want to do whatever they thought

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they could not do because they're just women,

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right? Do that. Do that. And I would love for

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it to be normal, right? Because it's not affecting

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anybody. Like, whatever it takes to affect that,

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it's just like, they just want to say something.

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They just want to put their opinion on it. And

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this definitely needs their opinion, you know?

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No, it does not. Of course. Yeah. Oh, go ahead.

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No, you wanted to say something, because I'm

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about to move on to the next two worlds. Yeah,

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I was just going to agree. I was going to say,

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wouldn't that be a lovely world? Yeah. Yeah.

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Down with the matriarchy, up with the matriarchy,

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because that's the world we want to know. Yep.

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Yes, yes, yes, 100%. I would not go the other,

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like, the other extreme, to be honest. I just

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like, you know, maybe in the middle, you know,

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it's just like everybody in the middle is happy.

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I think there are also a lot of issues, you know,

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with how women think and how women present themselves

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and stuff like that. I don't feel. On the other

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side, is that good? I think there's a lot of

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work that needs to be done. That's true. Fanaticism,

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I've said it a few times in our chat, purists

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are the downfall of. Exactly. You need to accept

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the mix. Otherwise, life is doomed. Raldia, prompt

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us. Yeah, I'm going to read this because I wrote

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it down and I had like... So, I'm sorry, I'm

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going to... I'm down half a bottle as well. It's

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a good conversation. I'm loving it so far. Yes.

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Okay, so my prompt is, my text is, growing up...

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My environment lacked consistency emotionally,

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in daily activities, and in routines. The few

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things I tried to be consistent in were either

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dismissed as pointless or met with criticism,

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which created a deep anxiety around consistency

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itself. As an adult, this anxiety has made me

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adaptable and open to new experiences, but it

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has also made commitment and routine feel suffocating

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like a chore yet i've come to realize that consistency

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and structure can provide peace of mind now i

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want to explore how i can reshape my emotional

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response to consistency so it feels like a source

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of stability rather than restriction yeah That

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is what I wanted to express today in this podcast

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because I think that is the biggest thing that

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I'm dealing with right now. I'm at a point in

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my life where I would love to be able to have

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consistency in my practices, in my hobbies, in

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my whatever it is. So this spreads. It's like

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a web that is just like everywhere in my life.

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this issue with consistency. So, out of consistency,

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besides the fact that you feel suffocated by

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it, right? What other emotions does it bring

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it up? Besides that, have you dived deeper into

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it? Yeah, I was expecting that whole question.

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So, as you know, as I've shared here, in my childhood,

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I did not feel safe to express my emotions. So

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there's a lot of frustration that I might not

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be good enough. You know, just like I've said,

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like it was whatever I was taking interest in

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as a child, most likely like children's stuff,

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like play or whatever, right? But as I was showing,

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As I was paying more attention to it, right,

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and not to whatever my parents were saying or

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forcing me to do, it was just like, why are you

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doing this? This is so stupid. Like, you're wasting

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your time. You should be studying this or doing

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that or whatever, right? So whatever I was trying

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to do, it was not good enough. And even the things

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that I was like, okay, it's not my interest,

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but I still want to be good at this, whatever

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it is that you want me to do. No, it's not good

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enough. You're never going to achieve anything

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in this life. So a lot of it has also to do with

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that frustration and that fear that even if I

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start something, I won't be able to finish it.

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I won't be good enough compared to other people.

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So it will have no value. So yeah, it's frustration,

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it's fear, it's shame. Even though nothing exactly

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happens, like I can just like quit, right? If

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I want to start running, I start running. I discover

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I'm bad at it, obviously I'm bad at it. Never

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been a runner, right? But it will bring up so

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many emotions that are obviously not necessary

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for that situation, you know? But it's linked

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to that. It's linked to whatever new I'm trying

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to do, right? I can do it for some time. It's

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interesting for me, right? So that lack of consistency

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helped me start new things. But it is an obstacle

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when I try to maintain it. Okay. So it's not

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necessarily, I think, just consistently. Have

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you ever experienced issues with like commitment

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or committing to something? I think that's kind

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of where it goes into it too. It's like, yeah,

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you can start the practice. Like you mentioned,

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you could start running, right? You could like

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it and you could go through it. That is consistency

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in itself, but it's the long term, the distance

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that I think that really brings that fear. And

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it's probably going back to what you mentioned.

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You didn't have that safe space to let your emotions

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come out and to really express or try new things.

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And I can relate to that 100 % because I was

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told to be quiet. I wasn't told to be a little

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muñeca, a little doll. Yeah. I wonder, though,

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do you think that maybe because... Okay. So,

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my question was, and it's related to this, how

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were you mocked for trying to create consistency

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when you were a girl? It was the lack of patience

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and understanding to whatever I took interest

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in, and it usually came from my parents. Because

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whatever I took interest in, they were not interested.

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I get that. You don't have to be interested in

00:20:07.660 --> 00:20:10.160
it. But at least support me if you feel like

00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:15.700
I have an interest in something. And there was

00:20:15.700 --> 00:20:18.880
a lot of like, no matter how hard you're going

00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:23.940
to try, you're just not trying hard enough. It's

00:20:23.940 --> 00:20:25.960
not enough. It's not enough. You're never going

00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:29.990
to achieve this. Like not believing I can do

00:20:29.990 --> 00:20:32.650
this, not believing this is something for me.

00:20:32.710 --> 00:20:35.769
Like, why would you take interest in this? It's

00:20:35.769 --> 00:20:39.910
too good. Right. So whatever I was doing, it

00:20:39.910 --> 00:20:43.130
was attaching to my excitement. It was attaching

00:20:43.130 --> 00:20:48.950
this like label of, of it's stupid. It's not

00:20:48.950 --> 00:20:51.789
worth it. So in the end, what I was understanding

00:20:51.789 --> 00:20:58.289
is that I'm not worthy to feel. Oh. to feel excited,

00:20:58.569 --> 00:21:04.809
to feel like creative, maybe. So yeah, this is

00:21:04.809 --> 00:21:17.509
how it happened, I think. My question was like,

00:21:17.670 --> 00:21:22.369
do you think that, but you've already answered

00:21:22.369 --> 00:21:30.240
it, maybe the, this idea that you're trying to

00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:36.839
create consistency and then somebody goes, oh,

00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:38.259
you're not good at it because you want to do,

00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:42.220
you should be doing this, like another activity

00:21:42.220 --> 00:21:46.819
or something that I told you to do. And they

00:21:46.819 --> 00:21:51.980
kind of label that. So you never make it through

00:21:51.980 --> 00:21:54.099
the honeymoon phase of something that you want

00:21:54.099 --> 00:21:57.529
to do. So you don't become, good at anything

00:21:57.529 --> 00:22:01.470
and now you're stuck you're stuck at the end

00:22:01.470 --> 00:22:05.329
of the honeymoon phase when that fades you want

00:22:05.329 --> 00:22:12.049
to change again yeah that's so sad yeah it has

00:22:12.049 --> 00:22:16.130
affected my entire life it has helped me it has

00:22:16.130 --> 00:22:18.930
helped me and I do benefits from it because I've

00:22:18.930 --> 00:22:21.869
seen that compared to other people I'm way more

00:22:21.869 --> 00:22:28.029
flexible I'm way more easy to take on new tasks

00:22:28.029 --> 00:22:31.309
new experiences you know and just like have the

00:22:31.309 --> 00:22:34.849
courage to you know what let's try this when

00:22:34.849 --> 00:22:39.970
it comes to just like for the long run i'm i'm

00:22:39.970 --> 00:22:42.890
getting anxiety because i don't think i don't

00:22:42.890 --> 00:22:45.890
think i have what it takes to sustain it you

00:22:45.890 --> 00:22:50.289
know yeah it's exactly what you described it

00:22:50.289 --> 00:22:53.470
it's just like it's like a continuous honey moon

00:22:53.470 --> 00:22:57.579
phase and I know that it's so delusional that

00:22:57.579 --> 00:23:02.259
I need to do something about it. You know, because

00:23:02.259 --> 00:23:05.759
it's only like that high interest, right? Dopamine,

00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:10.920
right? Raising that dopamine, like baseline,

00:23:11.619 --> 00:23:15.519
right? So when it passes the honeymoon phase,

00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:27.130
it's just another thing I'm not good at. Is it

00:23:27.130 --> 00:23:31.990
linked to competitiveness? Oh, sorry. It was

00:23:31.990 --> 00:23:37.069
linked to competitiveness by my parents because

00:23:37.069 --> 00:23:40.109
it was like, that girl can do it. Why can't you?

00:23:44.630 --> 00:23:47.190
And it's just like in Romanian culture, it's

00:23:47.190 --> 00:23:49.450
just like we are not taught to work together.

00:23:51.980 --> 00:23:55.779
In school, we don't make like seeds for projects

00:23:55.779 --> 00:23:57.880
and stuff like that. It's always get the first

00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:00.599
one, be better than the first one. It's a continuous

00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:04.519
race. I was never, never interested in that race.

00:24:05.019 --> 00:24:09.039
I was never interested why that colleague was

00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:12.819
better or a subject, you know? I felt like it

00:24:12.819 --> 00:24:18.039
was inspiring, right? But I never felt like competitive

00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:20.519
or anything. I was just like, that's interesting.

00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:28.079
But every day when I came home, it was like drilling

00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:30.900
and drilling and drilling and comparing and comparing.

00:24:31.940 --> 00:24:35.559
And that certainly did something to me because

00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:39.940
when I had that, we were talking about that identity

00:24:39.940 --> 00:24:44.400
crisis when I turned 30, it all came back. Because

00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.799
when you lose everything and it's just like from

00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:48.579
scratch, you feel like you're rebuilding yourself

00:24:48.579 --> 00:24:51.119
from scratch. Like if you know, like Tara, there's

00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:54.569
just like that tower movement, right? when everything

00:24:54.569 --> 00:24:56.849
comes crashing down and you need to rebuild that

00:24:56.849 --> 00:25:00.789
is when I realized okay now I can choose who

00:25:00.789 --> 00:25:05.750
I want to be so when I looked around I was like

00:25:05.750 --> 00:25:08.450
okay who am I what do I enjoy doing what am I

00:25:08.450 --> 00:25:13.289
and they all came back because I somehow I retreated

00:25:13.289 --> 00:25:18.029
into my like inner child trying to discover it

00:25:18.029 --> 00:25:23.380
and figure out what emotions I had and it all

00:25:23.380 --> 00:25:26.140
came all came together from the subconscious

00:25:26.140 --> 00:25:30.200
everything because i didn't pay attention to

00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:33.700
it for for the longest time or at least i thought

00:25:33.700 --> 00:25:36.940
it's not there i was ignoring my parents i did

00:25:36.940 --> 00:25:39.039
not speak a lot to my parents i was doing the

00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:42.240
contrary of whatever they were saying right but

00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:49.720
now apparently yeah it was a programming there

00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:52.730
was like Very silent in the subconscious. And

00:25:52.730 --> 00:25:58.349
it came forward and like, remember this? Remember

00:25:58.349 --> 00:26:01.529
this girl from school? Like, she was better than

00:26:01.529 --> 00:26:07.430
you? Yeah. And one thing I want to share, one

00:26:07.430 --> 00:26:15.329
experience about this. So, I was one day in the

00:26:15.329 --> 00:26:19.390
supermarket trying to buy bread. I was in the

00:26:19.390 --> 00:26:23.740
line. trying to pay suddenly out of nowhere i

00:26:23.740 --> 00:26:28.160
guess i get this panic attack and i hear my father's

00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:30.420
voice something that he told me when i when i

00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:35.200
was little um you will never amount to anything

00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:39.319
in this life there will never be a place for

00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:42.339
you even in the market to sell vegetables or

00:26:42.339 --> 00:26:48.160
whatever and i heard it very clearly and i started

00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:51.259
shivering like And I realized, some part of me

00:26:51.259 --> 00:26:53.539
realized that this is so stupid. I'm folding

00:26:53.539 --> 00:26:56.880
like a bread. I'm not in trouble. I'm not in

00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.380
any danger, right? Like, why am I like panicking?

00:27:01.460 --> 00:27:05.119
And I've learned from therapy how to calm down

00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:11.519
and really listen. So when I was able to calm

00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:15.839
down and listen, I realized that the words were

00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:22.619
actually spoken in my boobs. not my dad's and

00:27:22.619 --> 00:27:28.339
I think that I held him in my mind I held that

00:27:28.339 --> 00:27:30.859
those words with his voice in my mind for so

00:27:30.859 --> 00:27:33.960
long I had to call him when I when I got home

00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.160
and I said I am sorry that probably I was so

00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:39.640
resentful and I just remembered like your voice

00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:42.319
maybe you were tired from work maybe you didn't

00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:44.960
have like I was obviously not an easy child to

00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.339
deal with right You just said something when

00:27:48.339 --> 00:27:51.519
you were angry, but my mind thought, oh, this

00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:54.839
sounds cool. Maybe we can use this every time

00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:58.920
we want to keep her safe. This is like the perfect

00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.900
line we can tell her to prevent her to do anything

00:28:01.900 --> 00:28:06.259
that is dangerous. Or we perceive as dangerous.

00:28:06.859 --> 00:28:10.859
Yeah. I feel like you should apologize to yourself,

00:28:11.259 --> 00:28:14.740
not your dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got to apologize

00:28:14.740 --> 00:28:17.539
also to myself for all the... self -development

00:28:17.539 --> 00:28:20.460
work that i did but that was like that moment

00:28:20.460 --> 00:28:24.019
when i i first heard that my dad's voice and

00:28:24.019 --> 00:28:26.720
then when i calmed down it was actually my voice

00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.160
that was shocking that was actually shocking

00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:35.859
like it is true what they say like you tell you're

00:28:35.859 --> 00:28:44.269
your worst enemy it's crazy it is it is we We

00:28:44.269 --> 00:28:46.829
put ourselves down more than any other person

00:28:46.829 --> 00:28:49.849
could ever. And we don't even realize because

00:28:49.849 --> 00:28:53.789
until we do that self work, right? We think it's

00:28:53.789 --> 00:28:57.289
external. We think it's other people. Yeah. Like

00:28:57.289 --> 00:29:00.529
you were mentioning, because I actually did hear

00:29:00.529 --> 00:29:03.829
a line like that from my mom when I was young.

00:29:04.990 --> 00:29:08.089
But instead of taking it as my brain didn't take

00:29:08.089 --> 00:29:10.089
it as a, this is how we're going to keep her

00:29:10.089 --> 00:29:13.720
safe from dangerous things. It was, this is how

00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:20.539
I'm going to make her push forward. So my brain

00:29:20.539 --> 00:29:24.759
did the opposite. So every time that I need a

00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.720
little push, a little fire under me to advance

00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:32.539
in some way or other, that line replays. That

00:29:32.539 --> 00:29:36.019
moment replays in my head. And it's like, nope,

00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:39.130
you gotta show her. You see, that's what I'm

00:29:39.130 --> 00:29:41.910
lacking. I'm not competitive. Ruby's question

00:29:41.910 --> 00:29:46.230
was so good. I'm not competitive. If you say

00:29:46.230 --> 00:29:50.450
something like that, it's just like, whoa. It

00:29:50.450 --> 00:29:54.670
does not put that fire under my ass and just

00:29:54.670 --> 00:29:59.049
make me, oh, I need to show them. For me, it

00:29:59.049 --> 00:30:05.230
does that because are you the oldest? I'm the

00:30:05.230 --> 00:30:09.900
only child. I got the whole material. There you

00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:12.920
go. There you go. That may be it. I'm the second

00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:15.339
daughter. The youngest daughter, the second daughter.

00:30:15.700 --> 00:30:20.420
I have an older sister. And my sister is six

00:30:20.420 --> 00:30:24.579
years older, right? Or five years older. So anything

00:30:24.579 --> 00:30:29.119
she did wrong, I got blamed. I was punished.

00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.339
Not her, me. Because somehow the younger sister

00:30:33.339 --> 00:30:35.000
was supposed to keep the older sister in mind.

00:30:36.779 --> 00:30:42.619
don't know don't know um but it was a a situation

00:30:42.619 --> 00:30:46.140
where it was always being compared to my sister

00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:51.259
yeah so in my brain since i was little was you

00:30:51.259 --> 00:30:53.380
have to do things different than her you have

00:30:53.380 --> 00:30:56.359
to be different you have to do more you cannot

00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:00.660
do what she does you cannot live life like she

00:31:00.660 --> 00:31:05.309
does so I was ingrained with such a competitive

00:31:05.309 --> 00:31:09.289
little gene or a little thing there that you

00:31:09.289 --> 00:31:13.289
saw me yesterday. Yeah. You saw it yesterday.

00:31:13.529 --> 00:31:16.130
A little bit of it. I was like, no, I'm going

00:31:16.130 --> 00:31:19.369
to be number one on Eileen's thing today because

00:31:19.369 --> 00:31:21.269
I could afford it yesterday. I won't do that

00:31:21.269 --> 00:31:24.849
again. Don't worry. It's not a, I'm not. I was

00:31:24.849 --> 00:31:31.799
impressed. I was like. Nah. She's rich. No. It

00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:34.339
was payday. It was payday. I could afford it.

00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.740
I wanted to ask you if it's payday or... Alright,

00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:41.880
next second of the month. Second Friday of the

00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:47.759
month. Yeah. It's like, for now, Ailee's going

00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.440
to be thrilled. Let's just do that. But he was

00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.859
doing it on purpose, too. So I was like, okay.

00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.559
Let me show you real quick how fast I can...

00:32:01.409 --> 00:32:06.150
And I had just recharged, by the way. So she

00:32:06.150 --> 00:32:09.670
just got all my money in like one day. What?

00:32:11.509 --> 00:32:13.529
She didn't say anything. No. I was expecting

00:32:13.529 --> 00:32:15.230
her to write in the chat, but she didn't say

00:32:15.230 --> 00:32:18.049
anything. I don't think she's checked. Yeah,

00:32:18.089 --> 00:32:20.849
I don't think either. Are the coins more expensive?

00:32:21.529 --> 00:32:24.529
How much do you pay? I used to think they were

00:32:24.529 --> 00:32:28.250
way cheaper because I had somehow earned a whole

00:32:28.250 --> 00:32:31.210
bunch of coins from someone. And I'm sorry, this

00:32:31.210 --> 00:32:33.250
is way off topic. I don't know how this happened.

00:32:34.390 --> 00:32:39.670
We're fine. Are we having a little break? I guess,

00:32:39.710 --> 00:32:43.650
kind of. It's the hormones, I'm telling you.

00:32:44.890 --> 00:32:51.730
Is that what it is? You're over here. I guess

00:32:51.730 --> 00:32:55.970
we're rolling. What are the hormones? driving

00:32:55.970 --> 00:32:58.569
them wild you know going through puberty okay

00:32:58.569 --> 00:33:02.490
yeah now i and just like they they feel like

00:33:02.490 --> 00:33:05.569
attacking as a person who is currently going

00:33:05.569 --> 00:33:08.490
through second puberty i can tell you that this

00:33:08.490 --> 00:33:13.849
is a thing yeah yeah but but you see that you're

00:33:13.849 --> 00:33:16.460
not like pouncing We're talking about these little

00:33:16.460 --> 00:33:23.440
baby cubs. That's the only reason. It's different.

00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:28.440
If you rolled me back 20 years, I would be unstoppable.

00:33:30.380 --> 00:33:33.660
Yeah, I would be unstoppable. Because, you know,

00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:39.480
Dahlia now is like, I flirt. I flirt. I flirt.

00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:43.980
I do that. And we share with each other different

00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:50.259
types of stuff. But these kids put me to shame.

00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:54.240
And I was like, and I've lived life. I know how

00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.480
to do things that you could never dream about

00:33:56.480 --> 00:34:03.400
doing. Yes, right? Yes. But it's like, how are

00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:05.900
you publicly in a public forum? The internet

00:34:05.900 --> 00:34:09.460
is forever. And you are seeing these things.

00:34:10.700 --> 00:34:14.300
Yeah, I think live chat rooms are not as forever

00:34:14.300 --> 00:34:17.760
as other parts of the internet. They are forever

00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:20.659
because people are recording them. Oh yeah, that's

00:34:20.659 --> 00:34:28.039
true. I've seen it. Some of my buddies were recorded

00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:34.820
in a chat room and posted by another user. There's

00:34:34.820 --> 00:34:38.340
people out there that are taking, they just lurk.

00:34:38.730 --> 00:34:43.710
Taking recordings and posting it. Look, Ruby.

00:34:45.030 --> 00:34:51.550
I don't even know how I got on there. I have

00:34:51.550 --> 00:34:57.250
Maya's secret ASMR snoring video. I never fell

00:34:57.250 --> 00:35:04.469
asleep except for Ruby, you talking to Josh.

00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.900
Oh, my God. That does suck. I am sorry. That

00:35:08.900 --> 00:35:10.880
does suck to my brain. I'm sorry that I have

00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.420
a silly voice. No, you shouldn't be sorry. I

00:35:14.420 --> 00:35:16.780
was on mute. I was, like, ready for it. Yeah.

00:35:16.900 --> 00:35:20.659
Keep going. Keep going. You were talking. And

00:35:20.659 --> 00:35:24.880
I was, like... Shasha's voice is nice, too, though.

00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:28.659
So, yeah. I can see that. I feel bad because

00:35:28.659 --> 00:35:31.400
when I start speaking for any length of time,

00:35:31.460 --> 00:35:35.579
people just drop off the room. I don't. I stay.

00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:40.820
I'm just there. But you're special. But I love

00:35:40.820 --> 00:35:45.079
strangers. And the first time I heard you speak,

00:35:45.179 --> 00:35:46.960
I don't think it was in Aileen's. I think it

00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:50.820
was in another chat. And I'm like, really? Oh,

00:35:50.860 --> 00:35:52.840
my God. And then I heard you in Aileen's. And

00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:56.559
I got to exchange some. Yes. We spoke a bit.

00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:59.320
And I was like, oh, my God. I want to listen

00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:04.980
to this forever. it was just like so calming

00:36:04.980 --> 00:36:08.679
you know and even because you don't evil like

00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:13.860
uh you don't speed it up it's just like it's

00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:21.699
very consistent consistent it's a very nice caden

00:36:21.699 --> 00:36:26.159
ah it has been very nice it's very melodic for

00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:30.510
sure yes I think it's that. Yeah, well, it took

00:36:30.510 --> 00:36:33.829
me a long time to practice this voice, actually.

00:36:35.110 --> 00:36:40.530
I've spoken once or twice in my unpracticed voice.

00:36:41.369 --> 00:36:43.309
Yeah, you did it once. I was there, but I wasn't

00:36:43.309 --> 00:36:44.650
paying attention. I was doing something else.

00:36:44.989 --> 00:36:46.929
I wasn't paying attention. Do you want to hear

00:36:46.929 --> 00:36:50.949
it? I'm curious. I've never heard one. I'm curious.

00:36:52.130 --> 00:36:55.610
Okay, I will drop it down for you into my normal.

00:36:56.110 --> 00:36:58.489
teacher's voice because i have to be a teacher

00:36:58.489 --> 00:37:02.489
at school and i'm not allowed to be feminine

00:37:02.489 --> 00:37:06.909
so this is my voice this is the voice that i

00:37:06.909 --> 00:37:09.829
originally spoke with but i much prefer this

00:37:09.829 --> 00:37:15.070
voice i know for me it's just not that different

00:37:15.070 --> 00:37:18.429
yeah it's not that different so a lot of people

00:37:18.429 --> 00:37:22.489
think that you it's done with your like uh vocal

00:37:22.489 --> 00:37:27.400
cords but it's done by raising the larynx over

00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:32.179
time yeah yeah so i can go much deeper like this

00:37:32.179 --> 00:37:35.599
yeah and but what i'm actually doing is i'm just

00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:40.619
changing the size of my voice box yeah yeah exactly

00:37:40.619 --> 00:37:45.320
exactly what happens when you go through like

00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:50.099
when you go through puberty um with testosterone

00:37:50.099 --> 00:37:55.340
some of your vocal cords crack And that can't

00:37:55.340 --> 00:37:58.800
be undone. But not all of them crack. The ones

00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:03.860
that are higher up. Yeah. So if my voice had

00:38:03.860 --> 00:38:06.179
never broken, this is the voice I would have

00:38:06.179 --> 00:38:11.480
had. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. I'm curious

00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:17.119
about something. Does taking medicine, right,

00:38:17.179 --> 00:38:21.039
going for hormone therapy, does that change your

00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.150
voice as well? Not estrogen. But testosterone.

00:38:24.530 --> 00:38:30.670
So if you're a trans man, so born female, taking

00:38:30.670 --> 00:38:35.449
testosterone, your vocal cords will crack. And

00:38:35.449 --> 00:38:38.670
once they crack, it can't be undone. Actually,

00:38:38.670 --> 00:38:43.849
most of hormone therapy is reversible. Like if

00:38:43.849 --> 00:38:48.730
I were to stop now, the physical changes would

00:38:48.730 --> 00:38:54.179
be quite minimal still. And as time goes by,

00:38:54.219 --> 00:38:59.119
the things that are not reversible for trans

00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:02.639
men would be starting to grow a beard. Like your

00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:05.780
follicles won't switch off. You'll have to do

00:39:05.780 --> 00:39:11.579
like full hair. Yeah. And I've never had a beard.

00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:15.139
Like I've never had body hair because. Yeah.

00:39:15.900 --> 00:39:18.719
Anyway, that's a time story for another time.

00:39:21.130 --> 00:39:26.230
And then for a trans woman, the thing that you

00:39:26.230 --> 00:39:30.829
cannot undo, there are two things. The first

00:39:30.829 --> 00:39:34.889
one is breast growth. Yeah. And the second one

00:39:34.889 --> 00:39:39.849
is after about six months, there can be potentially

00:39:39.849 --> 00:39:46.010
permanent damage to male fertility. That bothers

00:39:46.010 --> 00:39:54.130
me. Yeah. Cat. It's it's it. I think it's odd.

00:39:54.210 --> 00:39:58.530
I was listening to. To your podcast. Right. The

00:39:58.530 --> 00:40:00.530
first episode. We were talking with the guys.

00:40:00.570 --> 00:40:03.929
About this. And I remember one of the guys said

00:40:03.929 --> 00:40:12.869
like. About. Identifying as. As a woman like.

00:40:13.349 --> 00:40:17.469
Who would actively choose that. Like it's not.

00:40:17.510 --> 00:40:19.530
It's not actually a choice. Like because it's

00:40:19.530 --> 00:40:23.780
like. Looking at how society treats this, that's

00:40:23.780 --> 00:40:29.360
hard. Yes, you don't do this for fun. You do

00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.980
this because this is for my mental health. If

00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:37.119
I don't do this, if I have to go back now, I'm

00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.159
going to start. I have suicidal ideation just

00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:43.099
thinking about it. I can't. There's no other

00:40:43.099 --> 00:40:50.300
way. Yeah, that's right. I take issue with people

00:40:50.300 --> 00:40:52.900
that just like state their opinions, you know.

00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.400
But it's just like a principle maybe or just

00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.940
like a concept. No, but you cannot talk about

00:40:58.940 --> 00:41:03.719
people's life like that. Yeah. You cannot just

00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:08.539
like just put it inside the box, right, that

00:41:08.539 --> 00:41:12.699
Nehemiah was talking about and just like say,

00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:16.340
no, this is. non -normal or this is like whatever

00:41:16.340 --> 00:41:19.079
and because it's not affecting your life bro

00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.480
and and it's not affecting you in any way to

00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.579
make it maybe more more relatable imagine walking

00:41:25.579 --> 00:41:29.420
up to the pope and saying christians don't exist

00:41:29.420 --> 00:41:41.760
they never have it's the same thing I don't understand

00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.820
these people and there's always the argument

00:41:44.820 --> 00:41:48.800
but yeah but what if my child bro your child

00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:53.340
goes to school and sees stuff and is still stupid

00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:58.920
your kid seeing like trans women on the street

00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.639
is not gonna change him come on Again, like,

00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.519
it's not something that anybody chooses to do.

00:42:05.619 --> 00:42:08.179
And I definitely, I don't want you to be trans.

00:42:08.300 --> 00:42:11.320
I don't want other kids or people or anyone to

00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:15.699
be. This is a shitty, this is a shit show. Yeah.

00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:20.699
It's a disaster. Inviting this, like, who wants

00:42:20.699 --> 00:42:22.920
to invite this? Like, even what you said, right?

00:42:22.980 --> 00:42:25.139
Because even with doctors, with some doctors,

00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:29.409
you might feel that. You know, like, why are

00:42:29.409 --> 00:42:32.150
you doing this? And having to deal with all that.

00:42:32.869 --> 00:42:34.710
And then there's the other thing. Who goes searching

00:42:34.710 --> 00:42:38.690
for this? Who goes searching? I'm actively giving.

00:42:38.889 --> 00:42:42.730
I'm lucky, okay? I think you can affirm this,

00:42:42.849 --> 00:42:48.630
but I went through most through my early adulthood

00:42:48.630 --> 00:42:54.369
up to middle adult as a fairly handsome man.

00:42:55.670 --> 00:42:58.920
And I was lucky. And now I'm going to get to

00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:04.179
do it again as a fairly pretty woman. I'm getting

00:43:04.179 --> 00:43:07.940
pretty privilege on both ends, but I'm giving

00:43:07.940 --> 00:43:12.900
up male privilege. And that is, that is a real

00:43:12.900 --> 00:43:18.460
thing. If anybody has ever like from, from the

00:43:18.460 --> 00:43:23.340
moment that I have told some of my male acquaintances

00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:26.539
and friends that i am trans and if they have

00:43:26.539 --> 00:43:29.980
been able to see me as a woman their treatment

00:43:29.980 --> 00:43:37.260
has taken a 180 and now i'm sitting sitting at

00:43:37.260 --> 00:43:41.019
a bar trying to interject my thoughts or conversations

00:43:41.019 --> 00:43:44.159
and suddenly that doesn't matter anymore because

00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:49.340
you're a girl okay fuck you that is one of the

00:43:49.340 --> 00:43:51.559
questions right Yeah, that was one of those questions

00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:53.719
that I had. Like, how do you feel about it now?

00:43:56.360 --> 00:44:01.440
I'm still she, her all the way. That's me. But

00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:07.900
honestly, fuck you. Welcome to Womanhood. Oh

00:44:07.900 --> 00:44:16.059
yeah, the whole quiet little pretty doll. I think

00:44:16.059 --> 00:44:18.480
that is going to be the title of this episode.

00:44:19.150 --> 00:44:23.050
yeah you're now privy to like some real shit

00:44:23.050 --> 00:44:29.690
oh so all the fun all the fun yeah all the fun

00:44:29.690 --> 00:44:33.190
but you know you know there's there's one thing

00:44:33.190 --> 00:44:36.949
like um i was saying like i i love to be all

00:44:36.949 --> 00:44:44.150
the women of my imagination you know and uh reinventing

00:44:44.150 --> 00:44:46.349
myself and i think this is one of the things

00:44:46.349 --> 00:44:48.630
that i love about being a woman the fact that

00:44:48.630 --> 00:44:52.110
i can just like well being a woman in this society

00:44:52.110 --> 00:44:54.750
let's say because i can just like be creative

00:44:54.750 --> 00:44:58.150
with my with my style and paint my nails certain

00:44:58.150 --> 00:45:01.690
colors and use makeup and use you know anything

00:45:01.690 --> 00:45:07.389
and i love all of these versions right and i

00:45:07.389 --> 00:45:12.150
am happy for you to be able to do that That is

00:45:12.150 --> 00:45:16.130
one thing I love about being a woman. And I feel

00:45:16.130 --> 00:45:19.389
like it's like, I bet it's so exciting. It is

00:45:19.389 --> 00:45:22.630
so exciting. You have no idea. Exactly. Yeah.

00:45:23.909 --> 00:45:26.969
I'm glad you get to experience that finally.

00:45:28.130 --> 00:45:31.949
Hi again. Thank you so much for watching to the

00:45:31.949 --> 00:45:35.110
end. I am really sorry about the audio quality

00:45:35.110 --> 00:45:38.469
of this episode. I will remember to project my

00:45:38.469 --> 00:45:41.090
voice properly next time so that I don't have

00:45:41.090 --> 00:45:45.809
to over -process it like today. I cannot tell

00:45:45.809 --> 00:45:49.369
you how long I sat here thinking about where

00:45:49.369 --> 00:45:51.949
this episode should end and what should be left

00:45:51.949 --> 00:45:56.989
in and what was just too personal to keep. But

00:45:56.989 --> 00:46:01.230
I think this is a good spot. I hope you enjoyed

00:46:01.230 --> 00:46:05.199
it. Don't forget to... subscribe, leave your

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