WEBVTT 00:00:02.710 --> 00:00:06.230 Hello and welcome to this episode of The icoachcricket 00:00:06.230 --> 00:00:09.380 Podcast. Caroline Foster, when she was 00:00:09.380 --> 00:00:12.080 Caroline Atkins, opened the batting for England 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:15.820 across all formats for a decade. Now she coaches 00:00:15.820 --> 00:00:18.559 at Queen's College in Taunton and on the Chance 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:21.820 to Shine programme in Somerset. Caroline was 00:00:21.820 --> 00:00:24.940 in the same Level 4 cohort as Tim Doller many 00:00:24.940 --> 00:00:28.039 years ago, so they had plenty to catch up on. 00:00:28.260 --> 00:00:30.300 Great to see you, because we did our Level 4 00:00:30.300 --> 00:00:32.899 together many moons ago. I mean, it really was 00:00:32.899 --> 00:00:35.899 quite a long time ago now. That was ten years 00:00:35.899 --> 00:00:38.179 ago, because my son's ten and I got the Level 00:00:38.179 --> 00:00:40.899 4 just in time to become a mother. Yeah, and 00:00:40.899 --> 00:00:42.899 you've done a lot of coaching since then. Yeah, 00:00:42.939 --> 00:00:44.759 it's been really good. I've been in independent 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:48.039 schools, education for term time, obviously. 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:50.700 I've been in the pathway with Western Storm and 00:00:50.700 --> 00:00:53.840 the Development Centre and the Keir Super League. 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:56.179 And then more recently, I was with Birmingham 00:00:56.179 --> 00:00:59.200 Phoenix for the 100, so... An array of experience, 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:00.820 I would say. Yeah, that's good. And I'm going 00:01:00.820 --> 00:01:02.460 to ask the obvious question early, and people 00:01:02.460 --> 00:01:04.340 will scream at their speaker when they hear me 00:01:04.340 --> 00:01:05.780 asking the question. They'll say something like, 00:01:05.859 --> 00:01:08.579 it's the same for dads, but for being a mum and 00:01:08.579 --> 00:01:10.980 juggling your mother duties with your coaching 00:01:10.980 --> 00:01:14.299 duties, how does that go? I reckon, I don't know 00:01:14.299 --> 00:01:15.840 what it's like for dads, but people talk about 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:18.739 mum guilt, and that is definitely rife, yeah. 00:01:19.140 --> 00:01:22.420 So, I mean, I coached Western Storm, and I love 00:01:22.420 --> 00:01:25.730 the job, but I didn't... cope as well thinking 00:01:25.730 --> 00:01:28.409 I was neglecting other roles in my life so I 00:01:28.409 --> 00:01:31.650 think that was my start of my shift towards I'm 00:01:31.650 --> 00:01:33.930 going to work in cricket in the development. 00:01:34.510 --> 00:01:38.290 and then in schools, because it just fits with 00:01:38.290 --> 00:01:40.790 lifestyle more. Yeah, so school term type. Your 00:01:40.790 --> 00:01:42.810 little boy's busy at school, you're working, 00:01:42.829 --> 00:01:44.569 and it all fits nice. You get holidays clear. 00:01:45.189 --> 00:01:47.010 That's it. And actually, he's quite a little 00:01:47.010 --> 00:01:49.349 left -handed batter. He can keep, and he bowls 00:01:49.349 --> 00:01:51.269 a good base. Well, that was my next question. 00:01:51.349 --> 00:01:53.310 He does both, doesn't he? He keeps out and bowls. 00:01:53.409 --> 00:01:55.489 He does it all. He was approaching his trial, 00:01:55.609 --> 00:01:56.590 and I said, what are you going to bowl? And I 00:01:56.590 --> 00:01:58.230 said, I'll just ask them what they want me to 00:01:58.230 --> 00:02:01.329 bowl. Okay, chip off the old block then. And 00:02:01.329 --> 00:02:03.109 I hope you're letting him just find his own way. 00:02:03.170 --> 00:02:04.849 You're pushing. your mum or are you just letting 00:02:04.849 --> 00:02:07.170 him do it himself i tell you what i've noticed 00:02:07.170 --> 00:02:10.009 and in school also like we we coach hockey as 00:02:10.009 --> 00:02:11.870 well and what i notice when you don't know as 00:02:11.870 --> 00:02:14.349 much about the sport is you are more let them 00:02:14.349 --> 00:02:17.250 find and explore and it's it's easy but i've 00:02:17.250 --> 00:02:19.669 also noticed in cricket when i'm coaching my 00:02:19.669 --> 00:02:22.669 son i do let him go a lot easier i find it a 00:02:22.669 --> 00:02:24.789 lot easier to let him go than others because 00:02:24.789 --> 00:02:27.409 i think will he actually listen to me? Because 00:02:27.409 --> 00:02:30.110 I'm his parent, not his coach. So I don't actually 00:02:30.110 --> 00:02:32.629 tend to coach him much. I just serve the balls 00:02:32.629 --> 00:02:34.909 up. Isn't that interesting? And you're like me, 00:02:34.949 --> 00:02:36.650 I'm doing a bit of hockey coaching. You're probably 00:02:36.650 --> 00:02:38.289 doing it at a much better level than I am, I 00:02:38.289 --> 00:02:41.530 guess. But I do about four hours a week and exactly 00:02:41.530 --> 00:02:44.210 the same experience. My coaching generally for 00:02:44.210 --> 00:02:46.789 cricket, I think benefits from me doing hockey. 00:02:47.530 --> 00:02:49.370 Because it suddenly makes me realise I'm just 00:02:49.370 --> 00:02:51.729 overloading players with loads of technical information 00:02:51.729 --> 00:02:54.490 or showing off about how much I know. Whereas 00:02:54.490 --> 00:02:56.789 hockey, I have nothing to show off. I mean, I 00:02:56.789 --> 00:02:58.590 don't know very much about the sport at all. 00:02:58.710 --> 00:03:00.590 And it's really interesting, isn't it, when you 00:03:00.590 --> 00:03:02.770 think you're immersed in one sport and then try 00:03:02.770 --> 00:03:05.270 your hand at something else. It makes you really 00:03:05.270 --> 00:03:08.090 concentrate on the purity of coaching and how 00:03:08.090 --> 00:03:09.689 you're connecting with players and how you're 00:03:09.689 --> 00:03:12.770 spotting their behaviours. I've got much wider 00:03:12.770 --> 00:03:15.129 awareness of what's going on, I think, in terms 00:03:15.129 --> 00:03:17.330 of the people that turn up. how they turned up 00:03:17.330 --> 00:03:19.789 that day. Whereas in cricket, I can get a little 00:03:19.789 --> 00:03:22.030 bit focused in the game and the skills and how 00:03:22.030 --> 00:03:24.469 I want it or think it should look. Yeah, observation 00:03:24.469 --> 00:03:26.969 skills, isn't it, I suppose, and your perhaps 00:03:26.969 --> 00:03:29.449 preconceived ideas and you're looking out for 00:03:29.449 --> 00:03:31.009 something particular in cricket, whereas hockey, 00:03:31.110 --> 00:03:33.569 maybe you've got to watch a wider angle on it 00:03:33.569 --> 00:03:36.189 all. It's interesting, isn't it? Yeah, and we 00:03:36.189 --> 00:03:38.580 were both saying... How dangerous is hockey, 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:41.139 by the way, as a sport? You'd rather be a batter, 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:43.900 wouldn't you? 100%. That ball's really hard and 00:03:43.900 --> 00:03:45.860 they wear next to nothing like a gum shield and 00:03:45.860 --> 00:03:48.280 that's it. So I do wince a little bit at the 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:50.199 game, but I do love the game as well. It's like 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:54.240 a team game and invasion. All the fun camaraderie 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:56.620 with it. Making it safe, you know, that old level 00:03:56.620 --> 00:03:59.300 one, top nine. It suddenly becomes really important. 00:03:59.460 --> 00:04:02.780 The original coaching bug comes back, yeah. But 00:04:02.780 --> 00:04:05.639 it's a good game and I enjoy what it adds to 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:08.099 my coaching locker as well, actually. We all 00:04:08.099 --> 00:04:10.099 talk about cricket, that's why we're here. I'm 00:04:10.099 --> 00:04:12.539 guessing batting is still your speciality or 00:04:12.539 --> 00:04:16.939 do you mix it up a bit more now? Yeah, I do like... 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:19.459 Coaching batting probably the best and I like 00:04:19.459 --> 00:04:22.660 coaching individuals and teams. When I work with 00:04:22.660 --> 00:04:25.139 individuals in other skill sets it's probably 00:04:25.139 --> 00:04:28.220 not my strongest suit but then I think that that 00:04:28.220 --> 00:04:31.000 also comes with advantages really because again 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:32.980 you kind of let them explore it and ask them 00:04:32.980 --> 00:04:35.639 more about how it feels whereas If you go into, 00:04:35.660 --> 00:04:38.620 like, textbook wanting it done a certain way, 00:04:38.660 --> 00:04:39.939 you can get too rigid. You get a bit immersed 00:04:39.939 --> 00:04:42.759 and too detailed and end up putting your own 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:44.779 views and ideas on them even if you're trying 00:04:44.779 --> 00:04:47.339 not to. Yeah, absolutely, you can. And I try 00:04:47.339 --> 00:04:49.980 not to drop that into conversation that often, 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.300 like when I played, because that was a long time 00:04:52.300 --> 00:04:54.839 ago. Oh, it wasn't that long ago. You're younger 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:57.100 than me, I think. I'll tell you what, I was interested 00:04:57.100 --> 00:04:59.660 in what you just said about coaching individuals 00:04:59.660 --> 00:05:02.920 and coaching teams. It strikes me they are quite... 00:05:03.269 --> 00:05:05.769 different skills or quite different demands on 00:05:05.769 --> 00:05:07.389 a coach aren't they when you're working with 00:05:07.389 --> 00:05:10.730 just one player on one skill as opposed to working 00:05:10.730 --> 00:05:12.870 with a team they are really chalk and cheese 00:05:12.870 --> 00:05:15.970 those skill sets for a coach i think like when 00:05:15.970 --> 00:05:17.589 people say they're a specialist batting coach 00:05:17.589 --> 00:05:19.850 or fielding bowling whatever they probably ought 00:05:19.850 --> 00:05:21.990 to be a specialist individual coach or specialist 00:05:21.990 --> 00:05:24.649 team coach because i agree with you i think they're 00:05:24.649 --> 00:05:29.160 completely different and I have to do some individual 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:32.319 coaching in my week because I really crave that 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:34.540 time where you get just one -to -one with someone 00:05:34.540 --> 00:05:37.399 and take their game forward. As much as I enjoy 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:40.000 team coaching as well, the player development 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:41.860 accelerates so much when you're one -to -one 00:05:41.860 --> 00:05:43.879 with them. And cricket in itself, I mean, that's 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:46.199 probably why we all love the game. You're like 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.220 an individual in a team sport and coming together 00:05:49.220 --> 00:05:52.600 with your own game plan is brilliant. Yeah, it 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:55.120 does lend itself to one -to -one. coaching perhaps 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.180 more than rugby or football or indeed hockey 00:05:58.180 --> 00:06:01.540 or hockey maybe I don't know but it's very intense 00:06:01.540 --> 00:06:03.920 isn't it I find it quite tiring in a team environment 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:06.560 you can have 10 minutes off and let them bounce 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:08.560 it off each other whereas when it's one -to -one 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:10.560 and you're the coach you're you have to be right 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:12.579 on it yeah yeah you're you're working really 00:06:12.579 --> 00:06:14.620 hard every ball like knowing what to take the 00:06:14.620 --> 00:06:17.040 session next and what you're spotting but I think 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.449 it helps when you go in like I did this morning 00:06:19.449 --> 00:06:22.410 with a preconceived idea. Well, we worked on 00:06:22.410 --> 00:06:24.810 the awareness of your aggression in your shots 00:06:24.810 --> 00:06:27.410 last week, so we're going to step that up and 00:06:27.410 --> 00:06:29.730 be really specific about what that looks like 00:06:29.730 --> 00:06:31.529 on the back foot, for example, is what we did 00:06:31.529 --> 00:06:33.389 this morning. I think we were getting somewhere 00:06:33.389 --> 00:06:36.029 with a player who actually has a game model, 00:06:36.129 --> 00:06:38.569 like the Somerset game model, has a range of 00:06:38.569 --> 00:06:42.290 one or two risk shots, but then switches to four 00:06:42.290 --> 00:06:44.569 or five. I don't know if you've seen the Somerset 00:06:44.569 --> 00:06:47.029 game model, but I'm a big fan, and you're like 00:06:47.029 --> 00:06:48.970 a surgeon. middle where you're quite balanced 00:06:48.970 --> 00:06:51.550 about your risk and reward and you're almost 00:06:51.550 --> 00:06:54.129 playing each ball on its merit really. I think 00:06:54.129 --> 00:06:56.170 that's a bit of a gap that we can explore with 00:06:56.170 --> 00:06:58.310 this player because you can go from blocking 00:06:58.310 --> 00:07:01.790 it to smacking it without much in between. So 00:07:01.790 --> 00:07:04.490 it's raising the player's self -awareness and 00:07:04.490 --> 00:07:06.470 getting them to understand what they do and how 00:07:06.470 --> 00:07:09.370 they do it at their best. Is that a synopsis? 00:07:09.490 --> 00:07:10.949 That sounds really good Tim, you should have 00:07:10.949 --> 00:07:14.430 been there this morning. I summarised it like 00:07:14.430 --> 00:07:17.480 what sort of shots fit into that. that level 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:19.879 of risk how does your technique differ when you 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:22.839 are trying to seek more reward so that's going 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:24.220 to be different from player to player though 00:07:24.220 --> 00:07:27.220 isn't it yeah sure but I think it is different 00:07:27.220 --> 00:07:30.399 but I also think I start with an idea of what 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:33.560 I think and then and then I say right I think 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:36.160 if you're on the back foot you're probably removing 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:39.120 pace or using pace to be low risk and you're 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.839 going to be side on backing across and playing 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:44.620 with a really straight bat under your eyes. If 00:07:44.620 --> 00:07:47.339 you're starting to accelerate the reward, and 00:07:47.339 --> 00:07:49.279 the only reason why you kind of invite risk is 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:52.819 to get more reward. So I'm thinking now you're 00:07:52.819 --> 00:07:56.060 looking to pierce the field. There's a saviour 00:07:56.060 --> 00:07:58.100 mode where you're literally just trying to survive. 00:07:58.220 --> 00:08:00.319 So that would be like leaving the ball. Have 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:01.920 you tried teaching that in school? Because that's 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:03.319 really... Well, I was going to say, is that quite 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:06.060 rare now? Because of the formats. I mean, when 00:08:06.060 --> 00:08:08.699 we were kids, that was... almost a start point. 00:08:08.819 --> 00:08:10.879 And now it's the last thing they learn, isn't 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:12.980 it? Just because everyone's watching T20, even 00:08:12.980 --> 00:08:17.300 T10, and Red Bull skills are perhaps less... 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:21.220 I completely agree with you. And it's really 00:08:21.220 --> 00:08:23.519 interesting to watch. I mean, they probably just 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:25.300 duck away and don't want me to come in their 00:08:25.300 --> 00:08:27.439 net when I come in with a little challenge. And 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:30.120 it's like, you can't get out. But I think it's 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:32.559 really important for players to realise that 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:34.399 there are different ways to play. Bearing in 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:36.620 mind, I'm working at the grassroots. So, you 00:08:36.620 --> 00:08:39.240 know, just to understand that I stand here to 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.759 face this ball, I've got an idea before the ball 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:45.379 comes that I've got to be... more defensive or 00:08:45.379 --> 00:08:47.519 more attacking those are things that don't not 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:51.019 everyone thinks about before so we have a big 00:08:51.019 --> 00:08:53.940 discussion normally about our awareness before 00:08:53.940 --> 00:08:56.659 what what feeds into our awareness before we 00:08:56.659 --> 00:08:58.960 plan something and then we execute it and then 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:02.039 we might this this all stands for apex so at 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:05.100 the end it's like our x factor is like how we 00:09:05.100 --> 00:09:07.950 reflect and how we review what went well and 00:09:07.950 --> 00:09:10.610 what could be better. So were we not aware that 00:09:10.610 --> 00:09:12.850 it was turning that much or did we plan to hit 00:09:12.850 --> 00:09:15.370 straight when it was turning loads or was the 00:09:15.370 --> 00:09:18.309 plan really good and we've got on a nice turning 00:09:18.309 --> 00:09:20.090 wicket and we're a strong sweeper and we're going 00:09:20.090 --> 00:09:22.289 to sweep it. We got four but we just didn't execute 00:09:22.289 --> 00:09:26.389 the ball right or maybe in our execution before 00:09:26.389 --> 00:09:28.330 that we've not judged the line of length but 00:09:28.330 --> 00:09:31.909 you can pick things apart. I'm quite... a fan 00:09:31.909 --> 00:09:34.970 of structure so i'll look for a framework to 00:09:34.970 --> 00:09:38.990 to sort of apply to the game that's my challenge 00:09:38.990 --> 00:09:40.710 when i work with an individual who's a little 00:09:40.710 --> 00:09:43.710 bit more well we did our mbti didn't we it was 00:09:43.710 --> 00:09:48.629 we did i think it's still a thing mbti istj for 00:09:48.629 --> 00:09:52.929 what it's worth what were you i'm an if my j 00:09:52.929 --> 00:09:56.509 was a very deadline driven j so i am a little 00:09:56.509 --> 00:09:59.830 bit p but j for structure yeah so you haven't 00:09:59.830 --> 00:10:01.470 done mbti you're gonna think what on earth are 00:10:01.470 --> 00:10:05.269 they talking about but introvert sensing feeling 00:10:05.269 --> 00:10:07.950 feeling i was thinking that's because you're 00:10:07.950 --> 00:10:13.610 male and i'm female that's really 75 of the population 00:10:13.610 --> 00:10:16.889 that are female are feelers and 75 of the population 00:10:16.889 --> 00:10:18.870 that are male are thinkers so i need to get a 00:10:18.870 --> 00:10:20.409 bit more in touch with my feminine side yeah 00:10:20.409 --> 00:10:24.100 and i probably so like i like and routine, but 00:10:24.100 --> 00:10:25.860 I also will leave things to the last minute. 00:10:26.100 --> 00:10:27.860 And do you think that's changed over the years? 00:10:27.940 --> 00:10:29.799 I mean, now you're a mum and now you're a coach 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:33.100 full -time and now you're not a player and now 00:10:33.100 --> 00:10:35.759 you're a little older than you were, like all 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:38.679 of us. That's nicely put. Well, Graham Fowler 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:40.399 always said to me that batting is an extension 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:42.460 of your personality. Yes, I've heard that as 00:10:42.460 --> 00:10:44.799 well. Which I liked until I thought about my 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:46.480 batting. I thought it was a bit boring. Well, 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:48.259 Andrew Strauss always said he could sit and watch 00:10:48.259 --> 00:10:50.929 a batter who he'd never met before. for half 00:10:50.929 --> 00:10:53.309 an hour, and then he could give you an idea of 00:10:53.309 --> 00:10:55.049 what they're like as a person and a character. 00:10:55.169 --> 00:10:57.009 I remember him telling me that. I believe him. 00:10:57.230 --> 00:10:59.330 He was coached by Graham Fowler at Durham, wasn't 00:10:59.330 --> 00:11:02.009 he? He might have been the same story from two 00:11:02.009 --> 00:11:04.110 different people. Fair enough, yeah. I think 00:11:04.110 --> 00:11:06.950 personalities are big in the way you play and 00:11:06.950 --> 00:11:09.230 the way you can be coached as well. And just 00:11:09.230 --> 00:11:11.389 staying on the one -to -one and the team coaching 00:11:11.389 --> 00:11:13.309 differences, one of the things with one -to -one 00:11:13.309 --> 00:11:15.629 coaching is you have to do all the feeding. So 00:11:15.629 --> 00:11:18.029 are you a thrower or a side -armer or a ball 00:11:18.029 --> 00:11:20.929 machine, putter -inner? What do you do? I reckon 00:11:20.929 --> 00:11:23.769 I've got the range, actually. What I struggle 00:11:23.769 --> 00:11:26.070 with is I prefer to sidearm. That's my favourite 00:11:26.070 --> 00:11:28.929 thing to do. I will throw, but I'm blessed in 00:11:28.929 --> 00:11:30.470 a school environment where you don't get that 00:11:30.470 --> 00:11:33.110 many hours in a row to do cricket anyway. So 00:11:33.110 --> 00:11:36.190 I'll only ever do like three hours and then I'll 00:11:36.190 --> 00:11:38.289 probably be on to something else or switching 00:11:38.289 --> 00:11:39.690 it up. So your shoulder's all right? Yeah, so 00:11:39.690 --> 00:11:43.509 my shoulder's survived so far. But I do think... 00:11:43.659 --> 00:11:45.940 We do get the machines out because the kids like 00:11:45.940 --> 00:11:48.379 it, but we're pretty slow to do that, really. 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:50.279 And it's a volume thing as well, isn't it? I 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:51.820 mean, you can get through a lot more deliveries 00:11:51.820 --> 00:11:54.519 in a short space of time on a machine. Even compared 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:57.259 to side -arming, you can clock through massive 00:11:57.259 --> 00:11:59.960 volume, can't you, on a machine? Yeah, that's 00:11:59.960 --> 00:12:02.519 true, but your step count on the sidearm... Oh, 00:12:02.539 --> 00:12:04.120 yeah, it's not good for your own fitness, no, 00:12:04.220 --> 00:12:06.860 but it's... Yeah, the sidearm is really good 00:12:06.860 --> 00:12:08.259 for you, isn't it? You can do a week of that, 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:10.480 you feel like a business. Are you still doing 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:12.059 your two and a half hours a week? Yeah, well, 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:15.580 funny enough, when we were younger and we used 00:12:15.580 --> 00:12:18.000 to hang out on this Level 4 course, and you remember, 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.220 obviously, that two and a half hours of exercise 00:12:20.220 --> 00:12:23.549 each week was my... And I didn't ever miss it, 00:12:23.590 --> 00:12:25.409 really, when I was that age. I mean, to be honest, 00:12:25.509 --> 00:12:27.210 I've had a shocking five years, but I'm getting 00:12:27.210 --> 00:12:29.110 back into it now. So actually, the last two or 00:12:29.110 --> 00:12:32.450 three weeks, I've been adhering to that. So it 00:12:32.450 --> 00:12:35.129 doesn't look like it, but I am. I think you're 00:12:35.129 --> 00:12:37.169 looking very well, Tim. Thank you. We did run 00:12:37.169 --> 00:12:38.570 together as well, didn't we? We used to run quite 00:12:38.570 --> 00:12:40.629 regularly, yeah. I remember running various venues 00:12:40.629 --> 00:12:43.330 around the country. Yeah, exactly. My running 00:12:43.330 --> 00:12:45.269 now takes me up Cotlake Hill, for those that 00:12:45.269 --> 00:12:47.610 are in Torson. Well, how important do you think 00:12:47.610 --> 00:12:51.480 it is to be fit? to coach so this is something 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:53.279 I've not talked about on this series before but 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:55.940 in my view for what it's worth it is a classic 00:12:55.940 --> 00:12:58.259 by the way communication isn't it of asking a 00:12:58.259 --> 00:13:00.799 question then answering yourself and then giving 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:02.580 your person you're talking to an opportunity 00:13:02.580 --> 00:13:04.899 to answer and hopefully they'll agree as well 00:13:04.899 --> 00:13:07.960 but isn't it interesting about that whole coaches 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:11.240 needing to be physically fit and To what extent 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:12.940 that's the case. Because I used to be a big believer 00:13:12.940 --> 00:13:14.419 in that. Because it's hard, isn't it? Especially 00:13:14.419 --> 00:13:16.580 coaching batting. I look at the bowling coaches 00:13:16.580 --> 00:13:18.379 quite enviously because they can stand up with 00:13:18.379 --> 00:13:20.139 a cup of coffee and say, get your front arm up. 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:23.440 Stop your dropping away with your head. And that's 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.100 it. Whereas for batting coaches, you're toiling 00:13:26.100 --> 00:13:29.220 away. Well, I was sat with Dean Headley a couple 00:13:29.220 --> 00:13:32.139 of weeks ago and he said we're undervaluing... 00:13:32.570 --> 00:13:35.750 the art of coaching by being the ones that throw 00:13:35.750 --> 00:13:37.850 the balls, pick the balls up, sidearm and hit 00:13:37.850 --> 00:13:40.529 balls out and mitt and do all these things that 00:13:40.529 --> 00:13:42.970 are physically demanding. And I do agree we have 00:13:42.970 --> 00:13:45.769 to be fit enough to do those things. But if you're 00:13:45.769 --> 00:13:48.389 not, I guess you then start paying attention 00:13:48.389 --> 00:13:51.169 to just what value you can add. by the conversations, 00:13:51.370 --> 00:13:53.490 which is the true point. It's a core skill, isn't 00:13:53.490 --> 00:13:55.889 it? It's the point of coaching, really. And actually, 00:13:55.929 --> 00:13:57.809 if you think about the pay grade of all your 00:13:57.809 --> 00:14:00.370 coaches around the country, you could probably 00:14:00.370 --> 00:14:03.230 hire someone a lot cheaper who could just be 00:14:03.230 --> 00:14:05.750 your sidearm jucker. Brendan McCullum, apparently, 00:14:05.909 --> 00:14:08.649 is never seen on the tools. Oh, he's not? He 00:14:08.649 --> 00:14:10.850 doesn't do any sidearm? I've read that in a magazine. 00:14:10.929 --> 00:14:12.649 I think it was Cricketer. Do you think that helps 00:14:12.649 --> 00:14:15.649 you... get a relationship with the batter so 00:14:15.649 --> 00:14:17.350 if you're doing a one -to -one and your side 00:14:17.350 --> 00:14:19.409 army you can think i'll just drop this one back 00:14:19.409 --> 00:14:21.269 of a length because i want to see that this out 00:14:21.269 --> 00:14:22.990 or the other or this one they're going to bang 00:14:22.990 --> 00:14:25.450 in the toes to see if they can react you're also 00:14:25.450 --> 00:14:28.250 coaching and making decisions And that affects 00:14:28.250 --> 00:14:30.710 your feeding, doesn't it? And you get a rapport 00:14:30.710 --> 00:14:32.789 with the player whilst you're doing it. Whereas 00:14:32.789 --> 00:14:34.250 if you leave it to someone else, it becomes a 00:14:34.250 --> 00:14:37.309 bit standoff. Yeah, I agree with you. I just 00:14:37.309 --> 00:14:39.450 haven't seen the other side of it. So I've never 00:14:39.450 --> 00:14:42.090 really stood in a net and not picked up a ball 00:14:42.090 --> 00:14:43.809 and started throwing and started getting involved. 00:14:44.460 --> 00:14:46.379 It'd be interesting to see what that feels and 00:14:46.379 --> 00:14:48.899 looks like. But touch wood, I don't have to do 00:14:48.899 --> 00:14:50.620 it because at the moment I'm fit enough to do 00:14:50.620 --> 00:14:52.080 it. Yeah, I know at some point. Yeah, I'm really 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:53.940 interested in that. So what's your answer? I 00:14:53.940 --> 00:14:55.480 didn't really ever give you a chance to answer. 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:59.159 Do coaches need to be physically fit? Yeah, like 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:01.799 physically and mentally, you've got to be ready 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:04.820 to go and raring to go, I think, because that 00:15:04.820 --> 00:15:07.139 obviously sets the tone, especially in school. 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:10.120 I think that's why I'm where I probably should 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:11.820 be in terms of... So it's role modelling to a 00:15:11.820 --> 00:15:14.139 point. Yeah, and bringing the energy because 00:15:14.139 --> 00:15:16.299 let's all be grateful for where we are and let's 00:15:16.299 --> 00:15:18.100 all be purposeful in the time we've got. I mean, 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.039 you play for England, so you've always got that. 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:24.299 in the locker as an elite player I didn't didn't 00:15:24.299 --> 00:15:26.759 even get close to it and so I always thought 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:28.940 that actually physical fitness was something 00:15:28.940 --> 00:15:32.220 that anyone could do you can all reach a decent 00:15:32.220 --> 00:15:35.220 level of physical fitness as a role model and 00:15:35.220 --> 00:15:38.000 to keep up with the kids or work with the players 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:39.759 that you're working with we can't all hit the 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:42.019 ball out of the park every ball rockets every 00:15:42.019 --> 00:15:44.799 delivery yeah that's true I do notice that as 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:47.639 a as a coach that When I was with the Phoenix, 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.399 for example, I would often gravitate towards 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:52.200 the ring fielding because I wouldn't want to 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:55.440 be the one that hits the ball from the far end 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:58.240 and nail it exactly to the boundary rope because 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.500 that wasn't a thing that I found that easy. But 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:02.299 you can get credibility anyway, can't you, by 00:16:02.299 --> 00:16:06.159 being physically able and being... I mean, I 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:07.779 think there's almost a role now for a specialist 00:16:07.779 --> 00:16:12.169 hitters, knickers, mitters. Side armers. Yeah, 00:16:12.210 --> 00:16:14.830 and I noticed actually when I jumped on to a 00:16:14.830 --> 00:16:18.190 keeping session how Jonesy came in and she wanted 00:16:18.190 --> 00:16:20.330 the feed to be a certain way and I was like, 00:16:20.429 --> 00:16:22.129 oh, this is embarrassing because it's taken me 00:16:22.129 --> 00:16:24.149 like 10 minutes to get this right. Yeah. And 00:16:24.149 --> 00:16:26.149 I had to hit the ball onto the ramp and, no, 00:16:26.230 --> 00:16:29.350 I had to side arm the ball onto the ramp. Underarm. 00:16:29.470 --> 00:16:31.929 And I've never used my side arm underarm. No, 00:16:31.929 --> 00:16:34.210 I wouldn't have done that. So it was a good drill 00:16:34.210 --> 00:16:37.669 once I got it, but she had to be pretty patient. 00:16:37.929 --> 00:16:39.830 I mean, basically what we're saying is actually... 00:16:40.029 --> 00:16:42.090 invest time to practice these things before the 00:16:42.090 --> 00:16:44.389 players get into the net. This is random, but 00:16:44.389 --> 00:16:47.830 I've started side -arming left -handed for my 00:16:47.830 --> 00:16:51.110 dog. You know the dog chuckers? Because I thought, 00:16:51.129 --> 00:16:53.629 well, if I get enough repetitions, maybe one 00:16:53.629 --> 00:16:55.529 day I'll be able to land this fairly consistently. 00:16:55.750 --> 00:16:57.929 And I have to say, it is improving, but I haven't 00:16:57.929 --> 00:17:00.210 really tested it in the net yet. That's good 00:17:00.210 --> 00:17:02.570 skills. And to date us, because we keep banging 00:17:02.570 --> 00:17:04.950 on about, or I do, about our Level 4 experience 00:17:04.950 --> 00:17:06.690 all these years ago. But that was when side -arms 00:17:06.690 --> 00:17:08.630 were first coming in. And do you remember, we 00:17:08.630 --> 00:17:11.039 all had to line up. and have a go in front of 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:12.460 the rest of the group, and most of us have never 00:17:12.460 --> 00:17:15.200 touched one at that stage. And you have to get 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:16.880 used to them, don't you? And you have to get 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.000 used to that one as well, because I've bought 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:21.339 about six different sidearms now, and some of 00:17:21.339 --> 00:17:23.619 them I can't use very well, and some of them 00:17:23.619 --> 00:17:25.839 are really easy. But on that biomechanics module, 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:27.640 do you remember the uproar when he said you should 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:29.819 be able to throw right and left -handed? He was 00:17:29.819 --> 00:17:31.640 from golf, wasn't he? And it caused absolute 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:33.740 carnage in the room, didn't it, when he was saying 00:17:33.740 --> 00:17:36.400 that we should get our fielders to invest time 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:40.470 so that they can... execute run outs in i think 00:17:40.470 --> 00:17:42.390 he was talking about in the feeling in the ring 00:17:42.390 --> 00:17:44.630 on one wasn't he everyone should be able to operate 00:17:44.630 --> 00:17:47.390 left and right hand equally have you done that 00:17:47.390 --> 00:17:52.869 since no no no i haven't but i do think as a 00:17:52.869 --> 00:17:54.750 coach Wouldn't it be brilliant to be able to 00:17:54.750 --> 00:17:56.730 turn the ball both ways? You know, like spin 00:17:56.730 --> 00:17:58.750 it into the bat, spin it away from the bat. And 00:17:58.750 --> 00:17:59.970 the only way I'm ever going to do that, because 00:17:59.970 --> 00:18:03.130 I've tried leg spin, is to throw left arm. I 00:18:03.130 --> 00:18:04.970 think my left arm's got a lot more future in 00:18:04.970 --> 00:18:07.470 it than a right arm. And nicking left -handed 00:18:07.470 --> 00:18:09.710 as well. So the classic, isn't it, for slip -catching 00:18:09.710 --> 00:18:11.890 cordons. You set them up for a right -hander. 00:18:11.970 --> 00:18:13.609 You being a right -handed batter, that's what 00:18:13.609 --> 00:18:16.450 you'd do. and then nobody ever practices the 00:18:16.450 --> 00:18:19.109 angles of coming off a left -hander batter. Well, 00:18:19.210 --> 00:18:21.210 we're lucky we've got a left -hander in our ranks, 00:18:21.230 --> 00:18:23.789 actually, so I'd borrow him, I think. It's attention 00:18:23.789 --> 00:18:25.789 to detail to a point, isn't it? But it's also 00:18:25.789 --> 00:18:28.730 personal standards to make sure that... And without 00:18:28.730 --> 00:18:31.450 it, when you go into a new environment, so when 00:18:31.450 --> 00:18:34.529 you're at Western Storm, if you rock up and you 00:18:34.529 --> 00:18:37.839 couldn't do throw -downs or... operate a sidearm 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:40.799 or catch everything with a mitt, your credibility 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:43.819 plummets very quickly, doesn't it? Yeah, it would 00:18:43.819 --> 00:18:47.400 for me, definitely. And I pride myself on being 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:53.220 energetic and useful. So that gives me confidence 00:18:53.220 --> 00:18:55.940 when I go in and feel like I think I'm the right 00:18:55.940 --> 00:18:58.460 sort of pace for the sidearm for a professional 00:18:58.460 --> 00:19:01.799 women's game. I struggle when I have to... If 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:03.799 I'm slowing it down for someone to first get 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:06.980 used to it in school, I find it harder to be 00:19:06.980 --> 00:19:09.319 accurate. And then you worry about putting them 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:11.779 off a sidearm because you're not putting it where 00:19:11.779 --> 00:19:15.000 they're expecting it. Which leads me on to optimal 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:18.259 paces of training in the women's game. So I was 00:19:18.259 --> 00:19:21.000 working with a decent player who's playing pretty 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:23.680 much top level now. Women's game, she's only 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:27.160 17. And she said, look... And I wasn't... trying 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:29.099 to be clever, but she said, look, you need to 00:19:29.099 --> 00:19:31.019 slow it down because actually it's bouncing too 00:19:31.019 --> 00:19:33.599 much and it's quicker than I'd ever face in a 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:35.880 women's game. I wasn't particularly back into 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:38.039 it, but that is something to bear in mind, isn't 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:39.960 it? Because what's the point in them practising 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:41.240 something that they're never going to have to 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:44.000 deal with in competition? She coped with it absolutely 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.819 fine, but that wasn't the point. Yeah, I guess 00:19:46.819 --> 00:19:48.799 there's a range, isn't there? You could justify 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.420 going out of your comfort zone and seeing what... 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:53.339 what's going to be good enough for the next level 00:19:53.339 --> 00:19:55.940 up, but spend some time practising how you're 00:19:55.940 --> 00:19:59.220 going to be competing. And I notice that a lot 00:19:59.220 --> 00:20:01.779 of guys tend to go for the shorter sidearms, 00:20:01.819 --> 00:20:03.619 don't they? Because their release point would 00:20:03.619 --> 00:20:06.180 be ridiculous otherwise. It's that train hard, 00:20:06.339 --> 00:20:08.960 play easy thing as well, isn't it? So trying 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:11.500 to work out what is the best use of time and 00:20:11.500 --> 00:20:13.500 how far you should be challenging and stretching 00:20:13.500 --> 00:20:17.119 players. I think... To see their response to 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:20.039 that is really interesting. However you cultivate 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:22.140 a session where they're out of their comfort 00:20:22.140 --> 00:20:24.240 zone, it's really interesting to see their response. 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:27.220 I think a lot of people have become very aware 00:20:27.220 --> 00:20:31.220 of their preferences and how they think things 00:20:31.220 --> 00:20:33.680 should be met where they are. And I know that's 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:35.759 a big thing in coaching, you should meet them 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:37.670 where they're at. I think it's a real place for 00:20:37.670 --> 00:20:40.130 disturbing people and making it uncomfortable 00:20:40.130 --> 00:20:44.069 and just upsetting their rhythm to see how they 00:20:44.069 --> 00:20:45.609 respond because there's going to be times in 00:20:45.609 --> 00:20:49.029 the game that it does that to them. I love talking 00:20:49.029 --> 00:20:52.079 about... how you responded and what your strategy 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:55.599 would be next time. But it's easier in the professional 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:58.380 game, I think, to talk in that sort of detail. 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:00.400 That's so interesting. So introducing an element 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:02.720 of chaos to just try and upset them and their 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:05.579 equilibrium. England hockey came out thinking 00:21:05.579 --> 00:21:07.619 Thursdays, didn't they? Yes, do you remember 00:21:07.619 --> 00:21:11.980 that? Was it Danny Kerry? Oh, I don't. He did 00:21:11.980 --> 00:21:14.759 thinking Thursdays. So on my hockey session last 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:17.569 night, one of the girls who played... it was 00:21:17.569 --> 00:21:19.769 thursday actually one of the girls who did the 00:21:19.769 --> 00:21:23.130 session quite emotional And if decisions go against 00:21:23.130 --> 00:21:25.690 her, she sort of goes into meltdown quite a lot. 00:21:25.869 --> 00:21:28.589 I deliberately umpired the game badly last night 00:21:28.589 --> 00:21:31.329 at the end. So to see how she'd react without 00:21:31.329 --> 00:21:33.390 telling her, that's what I intended to do. And 00:21:33.390 --> 00:21:35.750 it was really interesting watching her and then 00:21:35.750 --> 00:21:37.750 explaining at the end why I'd done what I'd done. 00:21:37.950 --> 00:21:39.730 And that's what you're saying really, isn't it? 00:21:39.789 --> 00:21:42.250 They know how they think and they have an element 00:21:42.250 --> 00:21:44.769 of emotional control. But when you chuck in some 00:21:44.769 --> 00:21:47.029 curveballs, it's quite fun to watch how they 00:21:47.029 --> 00:21:48.990 react to that. Yeah, and I guess the obvious 00:21:48.990 --> 00:21:50.609 one that happens all the time in cricket is when 00:21:50.609 --> 00:21:53.660 you... don't bat in the position you're used 00:21:53.660 --> 00:21:55.460 to batting, I suppose, or you bowl in different 00:21:55.460 --> 00:21:58.200 phases of the game. On the hockey pitch, it's 00:21:58.200 --> 00:21:59.960 playing out position, and I think that's really 00:21:59.960 --> 00:22:03.059 good for them to do. Or get bad decisions, I 00:22:03.059 --> 00:22:05.559 mean, in both sports, and how you cope with that. 00:22:05.940 --> 00:22:09.019 Yeah, absolutely. And just framing it as, if 00:22:09.019 --> 00:22:10.759 you were looking at the world's best, how would 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:13.200 they have responded to that? I've heard stories 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:15.980 about... In preparations in World Cup games, 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:17.980 where they played two games on the same day in 00:22:17.980 --> 00:22:20.700 a T20 World Cup, if you're in the second game, 00:22:20.779 --> 00:22:23.000 you haven't had access to the ground until... 00:22:23.180 --> 00:22:25.640 about 45 minutes before the start of your game. 00:22:25.900 --> 00:22:27.640 So you can't even get into the dressing room 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:30.000 and you certainly can't have any hits in the 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:31.980 net because the other teams are still playing. 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:34.900 And that's the sort of thing that you just need 00:22:34.900 --> 00:22:36.579 to be able to cope with that, don't you, as a 00:22:36.579 --> 00:22:38.299 player nowadays? Because who knows what's going 00:22:38.299 --> 00:22:40.039 to be thrown at you if you're in the IPL. Yeah, 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:42.759 that's totally fair. You do have to adapt. The 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:44.660 game's about adapting, but also your preparation 00:22:44.660 --> 00:22:48.190 as well. I did notice that... In the 100, where 00:22:48.190 --> 00:22:51.430 we would often go out to the net at Edgbaston 00:22:51.430 --> 00:22:54.430 and have hits before the game. And obviously 00:22:54.430 --> 00:22:56.569 individuals have various amounts of hits. Some 00:22:56.569 --> 00:23:00.029 don't hit at all and some... And some of it's 00:23:00.029 --> 00:23:03.529 superstition, isn't it? Yeah, Beth Mooney I don't 00:23:03.529 --> 00:23:05.190 think. I think she's one that doesn't hit at 00:23:05.190 --> 00:23:07.250 all. It's like, I've hit yesterday, so why would 00:23:07.250 --> 00:23:09.509 I need another hit now? I mean, it takes some 00:23:09.509 --> 00:23:12.009 serious mental belief to do that, doesn't it? 00:23:12.309 --> 00:23:14.569 I'd follow what I'd copy the best, you know? 00:23:15.150 --> 00:23:17.980 But I also know... is the guys never went to 00:23:17.980 --> 00:23:19.839 the grass nets because as you can imagine every 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:21.519 groundsman in the country with all these growing 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:24.500 number of matches is struggling to keep the surfaces 00:23:24.500 --> 00:23:26.640 as true as they can be and not everyone's got 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:28.859 hybrid nets all the way through and they get 00:23:28.859 --> 00:23:32.980 tired so the boys just go indoors So they're 00:23:32.980 --> 00:23:34.640 just getting ready. Completely different pace 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:36.640 surface. Yeah, they're probably facing the machine 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:39.740 even, just smashing balls on a skiddy nice surface 00:23:39.740 --> 00:23:42.980 just to feel good and then go out and do something. 00:23:43.380 --> 00:23:45.400 For their confidence, that's great. But in terms 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:46.940 of actually what they're going to be doing in 00:23:46.940 --> 00:23:49.119 a few minutes' time out in the middle is... Pretty 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:50.880 irrelevant, isn't it? It's the holy grail of 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:52.920 cricket, isn't it? How can we make our training 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.779 the same as what we train and what we compete? 00:23:56.019 --> 00:23:57.900 Yeah, we need to work that out before April because 00:23:57.900 --> 00:24:00.140 we've got quite a long time, haven't we, to deal 00:24:00.140 --> 00:24:03.819 with exactly that. A lot of the routine is verging 00:24:03.819 --> 00:24:05.799 on superstition, isn't it? So you talk about 00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:07.579 players who are completely relaxed enough to 00:24:07.579 --> 00:24:09.579 not even have a hit, but then others, I'll have 00:24:09.579 --> 00:24:11.900 two overs from left arm over and then I need 00:24:11.900 --> 00:24:13.819 my three overs from right arm over and I need 00:24:13.819 --> 00:24:16.430 to face... 24 deliveries of spin and then I'll 00:24:16.430 --> 00:24:18.789 be ready to go. It's the one more brigade that 00:24:18.789 --> 00:24:21.069 you can't get rid of. It's like, no, you're ready. 00:24:21.170 --> 00:24:23.369 Yeah, no, you are ready. Did you have superstitions 00:24:23.369 --> 00:24:26.289 when you were a player? No, I don't think I did. 00:24:27.049 --> 00:24:29.589 Genuinely. Lydia Grimo always used to, at the 00:24:29.589 --> 00:24:33.009 end, so say if she backed up and then if she'd 00:24:33.009 --> 00:24:35.970 run a single from the non -strikers or she found 00:24:35.970 --> 00:24:37.930 herself in the middle of the wicket, she'd always 00:24:37.930 --> 00:24:40.170 have to go and run her back. in where she started 00:24:40.170 --> 00:24:43.170 the over from or that ball from before changing 00:24:43.170 --> 00:24:45.650 over. But I can't remember too many. Just routines. 00:24:45.809 --> 00:24:47.490 I prefer to call them pre -performance routines. 00:24:47.549 --> 00:24:48.990 But it's a fine... You know where I'm going with 00:24:48.990 --> 00:24:50.890 this. It's a fine line, isn't it, between pre 00:24:50.890 --> 00:24:53.269 -performance routines and superstitions. And 00:24:53.269 --> 00:24:55.329 some of them do definitely go across that boundary. 00:24:55.609 --> 00:24:57.930 Yeah, if you're fixated and you can't adapt with 00:24:57.930 --> 00:25:00.329 anything. And also if it's like a specific number, 00:25:00.529 --> 00:25:03.049 like you say. I've got a player who twiddles 00:25:03.049 --> 00:25:05.970 his bat and it stresses me out how late he does 00:25:05.970 --> 00:25:08.970 that. the ball is coming in and I feel like you're 00:25:08.970 --> 00:25:11.349 still twiddling your bat. But if it's your thing, 00:25:11.490 --> 00:25:13.890 you're comfortable, aren't you? Yeah, just as 00:25:13.890 --> 00:25:15.410 long as it doesn't have any detrimental effect 00:25:15.410 --> 00:25:17.690 on your own performance. That's difficult, isn't 00:25:17.690 --> 00:25:20.549 it, as a coach to step in and strip away a superstition. 00:25:20.589 --> 00:25:22.789 Yeah, that would be tough. Well, great to catch 00:25:22.789 --> 00:25:24.549 up with you, Caroline. I've enjoyed that. A bit 00:25:24.549 --> 00:25:27.750 of a natter about old times and keep on throwing. 00:25:27.869 --> 00:25:30.509 That sounds good. Keep on running and keep on 00:25:30.509 --> 00:25:32.089 juggling as well. Keep on juggling all those 00:25:32.089 --> 00:25:34.079 roles in life. Thanks very much. Thanks for coming 00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:36.700 to see me, Tim. Caroline Foster on the latest 00:25:36.700 --> 00:25:39.680 episode of The icoachcricket Podcast. Thanks 00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:40.220 for listening.