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The opinions expressed are those of the show

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hosts and may not necessarily be of any company

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in which the show hosts may represent. The Security

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Box, Program 270, AI Hallucinations, recorded

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Wednesday, April 1, 2026, and released on April

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2, 2026. Hello folks, welcome to the Security

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Box. This is program 270 for April 1st, 2026

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and being released on April 2nd, 2026. The biggest

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story that I want to let you know about is an

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email that we received from LastPass in regards

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to their 2022 breach. I talk about it and what

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it looks like. This is so that you are going

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to be able to recognize it. We do see that Sean

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is back, so hopefully everything is going well.

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And I'm sorry we have not really been able to

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spend a whole lot of time on the blog. I've been

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involved in other stuff. But we do have podcasting

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coming up. And this time, we're going to talk

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about AI hallucinations. And no, we're not judging

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anyone about how they use AI. But we also use

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real -world examples that are rewritten in regards

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to how we use AI. And it even says I'm using

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it responsibly. Because I'm still making my own

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decisions. We tie some of the discussion into

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Podcasts 268 and 269 for reference. I hope that

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each and every one of you will enjoy the program

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as much as I am bringing it to you. And until

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next podcast, I am Jared Reimer saying thank

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you so much for joining us in this journey. Stay

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well, stay safe, and make it a great day. Bye.

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for program 270. April Aileen and Wicked Ways,

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a 2023 single. And April can be found on Apple

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Music, iTunes. Well, folks, it's been a very

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interesting month. I know I have not blogged,

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let alone got any podcasts out. My 40 is on the

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way to get repaired, and my 32 is on the way

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out. This is one of the oldest Braille senses

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out there. This is a Sense 6. It's no longer

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being maintained by hymns, now salvas. So I've

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ordered an e -reader from the library. It should

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be here next week. It is a model by... What's

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the name of the company now? Humanware. Hopefully

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it'll meet. My needs. At least as a reading device.

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Anyhow. I think I want to start with. An email.

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I'm not going to read it. But it seems like a

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legitimate email. This is talking about the LastPass

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2022 breach. Where actors got into LastPass'

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systems. Of course it wasn't their doing. They

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were technically, in my opinion, as secure as

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you can be. As you know from our coverage, the

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actors made off with encrypted and unencrypted

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LastPass data. I personally haven't seen any

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misuse to my knowledge yet. But I did change

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the iterations on my account as suggested. Now,

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I had a lot of iterations to begin with because

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my account, I believe, May have been at something

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like 500. I forget the exact number. It doesn't

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matter now. But... This... Is going to get very

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interesting. They're talking about a huge...

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Pot of money, including those who were pilfered

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by cryptocurrency theft. The whole goal was to

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get at wallets and people who had crypto. Of

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course, I don't. There are people that do. And

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you'll get a pot of $16 million set aside for

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that, while $8 million was set aside for cash

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payments. It will have a claim ID and a pin.

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And it looks legitimate, folks. And it's coming

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from LastPass. Let me just see. The subject line

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is LastPass court -ordered notice of class action

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settlement. coming from LastPass itself, as in

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LastPass .com, but LastPass's name is in the

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name. It'll say LastPass Data Security Incident

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Litigation. So... Go ahead and take a look at

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that. If you see that subject line, you'll want

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to pay attention to it. This looks legitimate.

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We have until July to file our claims. I'll be

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doing this work tomorrow. So, I know I've been

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pretty much out of the security loop these days.

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And I got so busy that I barely had time to do

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the show notes yesterday. I have a pretty good

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idea of what we're doing here. And I already

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have 271's ideas written down, so we'll be taking

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a look at that and putting those in the show

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notes. It sounds like there was a lot that was

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not known, and that's fine. So, we push forward.

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I haven't heard from anybody. Although, one of

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our former listeners contacted me by telephone

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and said, Is your podcast now six hours? Yes,

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the last program was five hours and 58 minutes.

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That wasn't... my idea, but I am happy on the

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way 269 came out, even with the technical gremlins

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in the computer. I still haven't gotten a chance

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to re -record the segments, however, from 269,

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and I'm not going to touch any of it until I

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get the E -reader from the library. And then

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we'll be getting to work with trying to finish

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out that SANS News Bites from way back in January.

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And then we're going to start being current.

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It wasn't my idea, but I got sick. There was

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a lot of... things happening and so now that

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the computer's been here about a month I've been

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slowly getting things back up and running and

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we'll start putting out the videos that Preston's

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been sending me and we'll make it all well and

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good ladies and gents But I can't do the podcast

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myself, you know. It takes quite a bit for this

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podcast. And since we're delving into different

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territory, some of which I understand, some of

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which I don't. We're using the assistance of

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ChatGPT to do it. And hopefully I'll be able

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to sit down and spend some time doing these things.

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And of course, there have been some personal

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things happening, including... A memorial that

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I went to. And other events that are coming up.

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But I want to know what you're reading in the

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security landscape. What you're listening to.

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In the security landscape. What is interesting

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you. This cannot be just be. Me continuing to

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post. The same old things. Because. That's why

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this podcast has changed. Through the years.

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And. Now I'm having structured. Topics. That.

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May have not been talked about before. This will

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be the second AI topic. Well, actually, I think

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it might be the third. Because AI is now used

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in health stuff. 267. Of that program. This program.

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This program. Well, I can't believe there's two.

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I've done two sets. No. Yeah, well, two sets

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of tech programs with 267. Podcasts. 267 AI discussion

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show notes. Let me just take a look. around,

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folks. All right, let me just see. AI and its

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usage was the first one. 269 was personal health

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information, of course. We know that that can

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change. Because AI is in the game there now.

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I think. on Team Talk at the moment. So, let

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me give out some contact information. If you're

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listening live, email iMessage tech, T -E -C

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-H at M -E -N -V -I dot org. Or J -A -R -E -D

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-R -I -M -E -R at 986themix .com. Text or WhatsApp

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804 -442 -6975. I would definitely love... To

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hear from you. Team Talk is not hearing me because

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there's nobody there. So until people show, I

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won't do that. The weather's been interesting,

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to say the least. It's been hot, it's been cold,

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it rained last night. That was kind of interesting.

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Cooled us off a little bit. Sean looks like he

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is back. It looks like Sean's back. I haven't

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done anything since the 11th when I first got

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the computer back up and running and found stuff

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of interest. Let's play another track. Let's

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see what I want to play here. Let's play some

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Ginny Owens. From the beautiful album. Let's

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hear. Let them hear. This is a 2004 release.

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simply get in the way when i try to explain you

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there's nothing sacred left to say you are I

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will be what you've called. There, folks. Let

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them hear. Beautiful's the album. It's a 2004

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release. And you can get Ginny Owens on Apple

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Music. We don't have anybody here. And why don't

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we get in to our topic then. And we will push

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forward. hallucinations, what they are, and why

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they matter. You know, it's one thing, before

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I get into reading the notes, it's one thing

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to use AI to assist you. when you use it and

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think that it's truth I've pushed back on some

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of the things it's giving me but when it explained

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it to me I'm like okay that makes sense you're

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not wrong I just didn't understand what that

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meant And this is perfectly fine. Especially

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since I'm gathering data for podcasts and or

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reports and or Something I might just research.

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So it's always a good idea to push back a little

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bit. Especially if it seems wrong. And we're

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going to talk about a whole... A bunch of different

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things that we will get to. And I think what

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I'll do is I'll just make this available for

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those who come in to team talk. And we'll push

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forward. So welcome to the security box. Again,

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I'm Jared Reimer. This is Podcast 270. In this

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episode, we're talking about AI. Hallucinations.

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And I guess the big question is going to be,

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what are they? Why do they happen? And more importantly,

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what do they mean for you as a user? And here

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comes the J of N. Surprised it's only you up

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here. Interesting. Well, remember, the boy of

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pressed works for at least another hour or so.

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So, yes. And yes, I already know about the .4

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issue with the apostrophes. I already brought

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it to Bob's attention. Yes, because I... I read

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the file and it showed up. I mean, I could still,

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you know, understand what you said. No, it's

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a Braille 2000 thing. It doesn't matter what

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I do. I've seen it in everything that I'm doing.

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So this is happening with a fresh install of

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2 .41, 2 .241. Okay, good to know. I just didn't

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get a chance to go through the Braille and take

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the .4s out. I didn't even get to notes until

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yesterday because of how busy I've been. So I'm

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doing the best I can. I get it. And it sounds

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like we're going to have to work on 271 a bit.

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There's a lot that needs work. I started looking

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at the file today, but we'll talk more about

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271 closer to the end of the program. So reading

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the notes, Nick, what do you think? I gave it

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a prompt. And I even incorporated some of my

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own examples in there. Asked it to add my examples

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of how I've pushed back on things. I think this

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is a good one for me doing this at 6 o 'clock

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at night. Yeah, I would have to agree. And I

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have seen... one of those types of hallucinations

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where I get totally inaccurate information. Well,

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I pushed back on it a few times because what

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it was giving me wasn't making sense to me until

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it explained it to me, i .e. the last report

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that I did. Some of the numbers were not making

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sense to me. Until it said, based on, everything's

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based off of this number. I'm going, oh. Okay.

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No, in my case, it was the type that you mentioned

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where it gave information that was flat out wrong.

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Because it was really simple stuff that you could

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always go and check. I mean, it was... Right.

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No, no, I get you. Yeah. But I'm just talking

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about my example. Okay, yeah. But yes, we're

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going to get into this. So we're going to also

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connect this topic back to earlier discussions,

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i .e. 268, 269, including big tech reliability

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and personal health information. Oh, I see that

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it didn't do one of my subheadings. Good going.

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Uh -oh. So, the first segment is general definitions.

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And, Nick, you may have to help me because I'm

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on my sense now. Uh -huh. doesn't understand

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to stay in original mode. Every time I hit the

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ED chord, it's saying compressed, even though

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my settings say original. So this thing's on

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the way out. Oh, boy. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I'm having

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issues. So I thought it would be a good idea

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as part of the prompt to go ahead and ask What

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a definition of a hallucination is in general

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terms. Yeah. Because maybe some people don't

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know what that is. It's possible. So that's what

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the first segment we're going to talk about is.

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Yeah. So a hallucination in general is when someone

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experiences something that is not actually real.

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This could mean seeing something that isn't there,

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hearing something with no source, or believing

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something is real despite no... Evidence. The

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key idea is this. A hallucination is not just

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being wrong. It is experiencing something as

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real when it is not. I don't know. I'll just

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say that I don't know if I've ever experienced

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such a thing. I don't know that I have. Preston's

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blowing me up with videos. Oh, boy. I'm not going

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to be ashamed if you call in and you say, yes,

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I have. You don't have to go into any detail.

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But you are welcome to be part of this discussion

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here. Because we want that. We are on page two

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now, Mr. J. Do you want to talk? Do you want

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to read this one, AI Hallucinations? Yeah, segment

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two, AI Hallucinations. I've got it. Now that

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we know what the definition is, now let's, and

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FYI, at least maybe it's my device, but there

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should have been space. No, there should have

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been a space there. I see it. Yeah, okay. I see

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it. I'll back up. Okay, I'll back up anyway.

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Now that we know what the definition is, now

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let's apply that to artificial intelligence.

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An AI hallucination happens when a system generates

00:44:36.070 --> 00:44:40.110
information that is false, misleading, or completely

00:44:40.110 --> 00:44:44.130
made up, but presents it as if it is correct.

00:44:47.349 --> 00:44:53.230
So, this is what you said you've experienced,

00:44:53.489 --> 00:44:59.480
correct? Yes. And it was really basic stuff.

00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.320
I mean, I can give you an example. Go ahead.

00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:10.940
Like, it's told me that Pittsburgh, the baseball,

00:45:10.980 --> 00:45:13.739
well, the basketball team, anyway, the college

00:45:13.739 --> 00:45:18.179
basketball, won a game against Stanford when

00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:21.639
I happened to know that Stanford won that game.

00:45:24.429 --> 00:45:28.429
Well, that sounds like your A's and your G's.

00:45:28.590 --> 00:45:31.429
This actually came up in Sports Lounge, which

00:45:31.429 --> 00:45:34.429
I did spot you were there for. They recognized

00:45:34.429 --> 00:45:38.670
you, but I didn't squeal you out because I saw

00:45:38.670 --> 00:45:43.869
the phone number. I wondered if there's any way

00:45:43.869 --> 00:45:45.909
to actually interact with them or if it's all

00:45:45.909 --> 00:45:49.610
pre -recorded. No, that was actually the live

00:45:49.610 --> 00:45:53.690
taping. So they were actually telling you. to

00:45:53.690 --> 00:45:55.809
raise your hand at any time and they would have

00:45:55.809 --> 00:46:00.190
brought you in okay my mistake yeah okay good

00:46:00.190 --> 00:46:08.469
to know so um they actually they actually um

00:46:08.469 --> 00:46:11.889
recognized you and i was telling them i know

00:46:11.889 --> 00:46:15.909
who it was but i didn't want to i didn't want

00:46:15.909 --> 00:46:21.550
to give it away because i was doing that secondary

00:46:21.550 --> 00:46:24.429
taping like I do for them. And then I just use

00:46:24.429 --> 00:46:28.630
my copy unless something goes wrong. Okay. Makes

00:46:28.630 --> 00:46:32.949
total sense. But you're welcome to participate

00:46:32.949 --> 00:46:37.809
anytime. Okay. Good to know. Okay. Just raise

00:46:37.809 --> 00:46:44.690
your hand. It's star six. Okay. Okay. Wait a

00:46:44.690 --> 00:46:49.269
minute. Star six I thought was mute. Um... Yeah,

00:46:49.389 --> 00:46:52.829
I was going to say, yeah, because I think star

00:46:52.829 --> 00:46:56.849
six is the mute command and then star nine is

00:46:56.849 --> 00:46:58.989
the raise your hand. Yeah, okay, makes perfect

00:46:58.989 --> 00:47:03.110
sense. Maybe what I need to do is I need to give

00:47:03.110 --> 00:47:08.429
them a little bit of instructions on doing that

00:47:08.429 --> 00:47:12.130
because all they say is raise your hand and they

00:47:12.130 --> 00:47:15.550
don't really give out commands like other places

00:47:15.550 --> 00:47:20.440
do. So we need to be... And it was actually good

00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:22.920
they didn't bring me in because I had some background

00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:29.679
going. Well, they won't unless you initiate.

00:47:31.099 --> 00:47:34.159
Makes sense. Okay. That's how that show works.

00:47:34.900 --> 00:47:40.719
Got it. And by the way, if you want to come in

00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:44.800
like Nick did. Go over to my website at jaredreimer

00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:50.340
.net slash sportslounge, L -O -U -N -G -E, and

00:47:50.340 --> 00:47:54.579
you will find which networks carry it. We carry

00:47:54.579 --> 00:48:00.099
it both live and on demand, and I run the podcast

00:48:00.099 --> 00:48:04.420
through the network. So you can search for Jared

00:48:04.420 --> 00:48:07.440
Reimer, and you will find all of my podcasts,

00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:15.179
including Sports Lounge. Basketball as your logo.

00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:27.320
I found that in the images and put that up. Go

00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.239
ahead with the next paragraph, Mr. J. This is

00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:34.340
important. All right. This is important. The

00:48:34.340 --> 00:48:37.059
system is not guessing and telling you it is

00:48:37.059 --> 00:48:40.880
unsure. It is giving you an answer that sounds

00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:44.500
confident and authoritative even when it is wrong.

00:48:47.380 --> 00:48:49.719
I don't know that I've really experienced that

00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:58.159
so much, but... I agree. If anybody has, I'd

00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:01.260
love to hear from you. Especially if you know

00:49:01.260 --> 00:49:08.699
the information it's giving is wrong. Now, there

00:49:08.699 --> 00:49:12.599
have been court cases. We'll get into this. It

00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.199
doesn't give an example there, and I didn't really

00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:19.380
push it to give me that detail, because I didn't

00:49:19.380 --> 00:49:22.739
want to go into that part of it, because it would

00:49:22.739 --> 00:49:24.840
have made this a lot longer than I intended.

00:49:25.900 --> 00:49:30.119
I think what we have is good, but there have

00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:36.860
been court cases that have been filed based on...

00:49:39.590 --> 00:49:42.570
This very thing. And then it's challenged and

00:49:42.570 --> 00:49:50.050
found not to be true. They just throw the whole

00:49:50.050 --> 00:49:54.670
thing out. Wow. Because there's nothing there.

00:49:55.889 --> 00:50:21.460
Yeah. So that's how that works. Okay, good to

00:50:21.460 --> 00:50:26.320
know. So that is what makes hallucinations different

00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:29.840
than simple mistakes or from simple mistakes.

00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:40.000
A simple mistake... Could be my misunderstanding

00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:48.340
of, say, for example, part of my last report,

00:50:48.659 --> 00:51:04.019
Mr. J. Mm -hmm. 38 trips taken overall. 19 of

00:51:04.019 --> 00:51:11.039
them... Correct. With both internal and external

00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:22.480
announcements. Mm -hmm. 39 .5%. Not correct.

00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.800
Either external announcements not working, internal

00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:34.699
announcements not working, both. And 10%. 10

00:51:34.699 --> 00:51:40.920
.0%. Okay, 10%. Unknown. Meaning, I couldn't

00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:43.019
verify it because I was in the back of the bus.

00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:53.840
But I was questioning the 39 .5%. And then when

00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:58.980
it explained it to me, it was based out of the

00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:05.260
38 trips. 39 .5 % didn't. meet the criteria.

00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:14.340
But I got confused. So it wasn't that I was pushing

00:52:14.340 --> 00:52:22.179
back on it. It was that I was confused about

00:52:22.179 --> 00:52:32.500
where that number came from. Yeah. So, based

00:52:32.500 --> 00:52:37.920
on these numbers, are we at 90 %? I think the

00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:45.239
answer is no. No. No. Resounding no. A resounding

00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:52.420
no. 50 % success rate is 19 out of 38. And as

00:52:52.420 --> 00:52:54.900
I said on the podcast when I released this...

00:52:57.869 --> 00:53:00.269
This data set, which I think was the podcast

00:53:00.269 --> 00:53:06.730
that was just released today. Mm -hmm. For it

00:53:06.730 --> 00:53:15.650
to be 90%, it's saying 34 .2. But 34 .2 trips,

00:53:15.889 --> 00:53:19.429
you can't really have a tenth of a percent or

00:53:19.429 --> 00:53:24.679
whatever. No. But, but, but, but. That's sort

00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:28.000
of what the math is. So it's saying 34 complete

00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:40.119
trips out of 38 would be technically about 90%.

00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:52.719
So it's good at the math. But I just questioned

00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:56.860
it's 39 .5%. Where is this coming from? It's

00:53:56.860 --> 00:54:00.460
like, well, out of this number, all of these

00:54:00.460 --> 00:54:14.739
failed. Completely. It's like, ooh. Okay. We

00:54:14.739 --> 00:54:17.300
are changing pages now. We're on page three.

00:54:20.940 --> 00:54:26.760
Real example from my own use. And yes, I tried

00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:29.980
to take out all the stars, but I just see I missed

00:54:29.980 --> 00:54:35.840
one. Yes, I was tired last night. I got working

00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:40.280
on trying to revamp JaredReimer .com. What I

00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.960
thought was a couple of fixes in regards to the

00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:50.199
copyright portion of the page. And maybe a spelling

00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:53.500
mistake or two on the homepage turned into a

00:54:53.500 --> 00:55:00.619
half a day of work. Actually, the majority of

00:55:00.619 --> 00:55:12.860
the day. If I start jumping, let me know. But

00:55:12.860 --> 00:55:18.300
I sort of talked about this a little bit. But

00:55:18.300 --> 00:55:23.440
I'll read from the notes. In my own usage, there

00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:27.019
have been times where I've had to question responses

00:55:27.019 --> 00:55:33.719
and ask for clarification when something did

00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:42.300
not sound quite right. For example, when working

00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:48.639
through technical issues or formatting, I've

00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:54.480
had to double check whether the explanation actually

00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:59.699
matched what I was seeing on my system. That

00:55:59.699 --> 00:56:08.679
step, stopping and verifying, is critical when

00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:12.980
dealing with AI. Okay, you've been fine so far.

00:56:13.300 --> 00:56:18.789
Okay. I've had to tap the advance bar twice to

00:56:18.789 --> 00:56:25.389
get it to move. So, yes, I'm having... That's

00:56:25.389 --> 00:56:29.010
part of my problem now, too. Doesn't seem like

00:56:29.010 --> 00:56:31.349
you've been just sort of randomly skipping around,

00:56:31.550 --> 00:56:36.829
though. It's happened. Even in plain text files

00:56:36.829 --> 00:56:41.269
that are not properly Braille formatted, it's

00:56:41.269 --> 00:56:43.550
done this. It's done this. It did this yesterday.

00:56:48.580 --> 00:56:55.699
So, um, segment three, types of AI hallucinations.

00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:01.019
There are several types of hallucinations you

00:57:01.019 --> 00:57:06.320
may encounter. And I probably could have done

00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:10.539
a different, I probably could have done this

00:57:10.539 --> 00:57:13.860
a little bit differently, but I was pressed for

00:57:13.860 --> 00:57:18.250
time knowing we were podcasting today. Mm -hmm.

00:57:19.210 --> 00:57:24.989
So, I did put a lot of transcriber's notes in,

00:57:25.030 --> 00:57:29.130
but you'll see later on, but then I changed my

00:57:29.130 --> 00:57:32.110
mind and removed all of them. I'm like, ah, too

00:57:32.110 --> 00:57:35.489
much of this. Don't like this idea. So, this

00:57:35.489 --> 00:57:39.150
is your first, this is what you were talking

00:57:39.150 --> 00:57:47.440
about, right? Fabricated facts? Yes. Okay. This

00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:52.699
is when AI invents... Yeah, it just jumped. It

00:57:52.699 --> 00:57:57.920
just said never existed. I told you. Invents

00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:06.099
statistics, studies, or events that never exist.

00:58:07.460 --> 00:58:10.019
So it actually was going to say, this is when

00:58:10.019 --> 00:58:15.849
AI events never existed. Is what my display just

00:58:15.849 --> 00:58:22.909
did. Uh oh. Yeah, I'm having this display has

00:58:22.909 --> 00:58:33.250
got to go. Going into the next page. Fake citations.

00:58:34.210 --> 00:58:41.010
Now this I don't think I've ever seen yet. I

00:58:41.010 --> 00:58:47.389
think I've heard about this maybe, but no, I

00:58:47.389 --> 00:58:56.769
don't think I have either. The system may create

00:58:56.769 --> 00:59:00.469
books. Well, we know they're creating books these

00:59:00.469 --> 00:59:10.030
days. Oh, and by the way, today's newsletter

00:59:11.179 --> 00:59:21.420
deals with AI coming from Kim. Funny enough.

00:59:22.539 --> 00:59:28.320
Right. Did you actually know the number one hit

00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:35.059
right now and this is actually in one of her

00:59:35.059 --> 00:59:38.780
minutes too but the number one hit right now

00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:46.480
is not coming from a human, she says. Oh dear.

00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:57.820
But as Jamie and I talked about on program, I

00:59:57.820 --> 01:00:02.280
believe it was 400, of the independent show,

01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:11.920
AI isn't necessarily inventing. It's using melodies

01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:18.760
that it's learned. And formats that are already

01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:25.659
out there. What's that? Yes, melodies that have

01:00:25.659 --> 01:00:28.639
been programmed in. And like you said, formats

01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:34.039
that are already out there. So the fact that

01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:42.960
it has a number one hit means nothing. The system

01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:48.360
may create books, articles, or sources that sound

01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:56.119
real but cannot be found. Plausible but incorrect

01:00:56.119 --> 01:01:02.820
answers. That's three times I've had to hit the

01:01:02.820 --> 01:01:11.030
advance bar. These... Are answers that sound

01:01:11.030 --> 01:01:16.630
right, but contain incorrect details such as

01:01:16.630 --> 01:01:20.710
dates, names, or locations. I think we've talked

01:01:20.710 --> 01:01:30.630
about some of these. I think so. I .E. TSB is

01:01:30.630 --> 01:01:34.250
a bi -weekly show, which its next episode is

01:01:34.250 --> 01:01:40.050
April 8th, as an example. Oops. When truly it

01:01:40.050 --> 01:01:44.489
will be the 15th, which we actually need to figure

01:01:44.489 --> 01:01:48.789
out what to do because that's going to be one

01:01:48.789 --> 01:01:52.230
of our biggest episodes, and I have a 3 o 'clock

01:01:52.230 --> 01:01:55.590
meeting. There's a special board meeting that

01:01:55.590 --> 01:02:02.789
afternoon. Oh, uh -oh. And I think that's dealing

01:02:02.789 --> 01:02:05.730
with the 28 Olympics, so that means I need to

01:02:05.730 --> 01:02:15.690
be there. Right. And the 16th is operations,

01:02:15.969 --> 01:02:20.369
so I can't do that day. So we will have to discuss

01:02:20.369 --> 01:02:28.130
whether we move it to the week after or tape

01:02:28.130 --> 01:02:41.619
Friday to keep the schedule. Right. Confident

01:02:41.619 --> 01:02:46.059
misinformation. Misinformation is all over the

01:02:46.059 --> 01:02:49.820
place. And I don't know if this is just an AI

01:02:49.820 --> 01:02:57.780
problem myself. Probably not. I wouldn't think

01:02:57.780 --> 01:03:04.500
so. This sounds to be... I mean, AI may assist

01:03:04.500 --> 01:03:09.179
in that, but... I don't think it's all AI, to

01:03:09.179 --> 01:03:22.340
be honest. That's just me. Yeah, I would have

01:03:22.340 --> 01:03:35.219
to agree with you. The tone of the answer makes

01:03:35.219 --> 01:03:43.119
it sound... even if, or even when, it is not.

01:03:44.820 --> 01:03:47.699
No, I didn't, it didn't jump. I was on the same

01:03:47.699 --> 01:03:57.119
line. Context misunderstanding. I've had this,

01:03:57.219 --> 01:04:02.000
but that's only because I didn't finish, because

01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:04.840
I was, like, talking to it about two different

01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:12.519
things. So, I was talking about 270, but I was

01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:14.639
talking to it about A Day in the Life at the

01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:20.639
same time. Mm -hmm. But A Day in the Life is

01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:26.019
only released 50 episodes to date. So... Oh.

01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:33.539
It got confused that way. So that's context misunderstanding.

01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.219
The AI misunderstands your question and answers

01:04:40.219 --> 01:04:44.840
something different. Well, it wasn't an answering

01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:46.579
something different. I was just talking to it

01:04:46.579 --> 01:04:51.159
about something else and mentioned 270 and the

01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:54.079
whole ordeal because I'm discombobulated these

01:04:54.079 --> 01:05:00.860
days. Maybe that might be part of blended responses.

01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:06.019
Maybe not as context -based. Although maybe it's

01:05:06.019 --> 01:05:11.099
both. Could be. Part of the answer is correct

01:05:11.099 --> 01:05:16.619
and part is made up, making it harder to detect

01:05:16.619 --> 01:05:23.519
the problem. But I was able to see that. Go,

01:05:23.619 --> 01:05:28.519
no, no, no, no. That's a day in the life. We're

01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:32.000
mixing TSB and A Day in the Life. That was probably

01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:36.219
my fault because I'm just all over the place

01:05:36.219 --> 01:05:43.199
right now. So don't mind me. And I actually experienced

01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:48.960
one of these, I think, from earlier with ChatGPT

01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:53.559
a while back. That's what I use. That's what

01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:57.619
I use too. And I was just asking it. Some random

01:05:57.619 --> 01:06:04.480
things about the Conejo Grade. Ah, somewhere

01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:10.380
between L .A. and God knows where. Yeah. That's,

01:06:10.380 --> 01:06:13.199
well, that's part of the thing, because it's

01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:19.559
labeled this area as entering the San Fernando

01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:26.789
Valley, which... Yeah, that's not totally...

01:06:26.789 --> 01:06:33.070
I don't think that's right. I don't think that's

01:06:33.070 --> 01:06:36.170
right either, because... I thought the Conejo

01:06:36.170 --> 01:06:39.309
grade had something to do with going, like, from

01:06:39.309 --> 01:06:44.849
L .A. down to, like... I don't want to say San

01:06:44.849 --> 01:06:54.280
Fran, but, like, going that direction. Well,

01:06:54.280 --> 01:07:01.599
yes and no. I mean, my geography is not great,

01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:05.320
but I know the Conejo Great isn't here. I know

01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:10.920
that much. No, you're not far from it, but it

01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:14.900
isn't there. It's either going to be west of

01:07:14.900 --> 01:07:20.030
here somewhere, or it'll be... Somewhere east

01:07:20.030 --> 01:07:22.550
of here, but I don't exactly know where it is,

01:07:22.590 --> 01:07:26.030
and I'm going to claim my ignorance. Well, I

01:07:26.030 --> 01:07:31.650
can tell you. It is west of you. Okay. Because

01:07:31.650 --> 01:07:36.949
you first would get to Thousand Oaks before you

01:07:36.949 --> 01:07:40.070
go to the other side, which takes you down to

01:07:40.070 --> 01:07:45.289
Camarillo. Ah, that direction. Okay. Yeah, so

01:07:45.289 --> 01:07:50.400
it's got that... Partially right in that it is

01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:55.099
in Ventura County. Yes, that is correct. But

01:07:55.099 --> 01:08:00.820
the geography that it is giving is not totally

01:08:00.820 --> 01:08:04.539
right. And that's when we're going to get into

01:08:04.539 --> 01:08:13.260
how to get it corrected. And by the way, it knows.

01:08:14.269 --> 01:08:17.510
the LA Metro system, because it's telling me

01:08:17.510 --> 01:08:19.989
that the red line is an east -west line, and

01:08:19.989 --> 01:08:23.729
I'm like, I don't even know what direction I'm

01:08:23.729 --> 01:08:33.750
going. And it goes, and I said, how do you know

01:08:33.750 --> 01:08:39.029
that? And it goes, I got the data from public

01:08:39.029 --> 01:08:47.800
information that Metro's released. about the

01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:49.880
line and how it's structured and everything.

01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:56.640
Mm -hmm. It doesn't feel like I'm going east

01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:01.420
-west. There's times where this thing turns in

01:09:01.420 --> 01:09:09.520
places, but... It's... It's saying that it's

01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:13.960
more east by the time I get downtown. Well...

01:09:15.939 --> 01:09:21.340
Based on the way things are curved because of

01:09:21.340 --> 01:09:25.880
the darn ocean, that makes sense. Yep. Because

01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:29.659
they always say that to go here, you're going

01:09:29.659 --> 01:09:33.079
west when it feels like you're going north. So

01:09:33.079 --> 01:09:40.409
I think that's what's happening now. Yeah, and

01:09:40.409 --> 01:09:42.930
you know you're going north because you're in

01:09:42.930 --> 01:09:45.930
daylight and you know what your direction's like.

01:09:47.149 --> 01:09:53.069
Well, yes, but the truly accurate direction is

01:09:53.069 --> 01:09:56.689
west because of the way the ocean curves and

01:09:56.689 --> 01:10:03.609
the way the coast curves. Right. Yeah, the freeway

01:10:03.609 --> 01:10:07.270
says 101 north, or sometimes I think it does

01:10:07.270 --> 01:10:11.279
say 101 westbound, but... It'll say 101 north

01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:15.000
or 101 south, but you're not going north or south.

01:10:15.100 --> 01:10:18.579
You're going east and west. Right. But it does

01:10:18.579 --> 01:10:26.680
turn in certain places, but you're not truly

01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:33.220
going north. Yeah, when you, I think, veer away

01:10:33.220 --> 01:10:37.649
from the ocean... Then, yeah, I think then it

01:10:37.649 --> 01:10:46.090
does go more north -south again. Correct. Well,

01:10:46.210 --> 01:10:50.649
and the 101 and the 405 meet in Encino, as you

01:10:50.649 --> 01:10:54.289
know. And when we transition to the 405, you're

01:10:54.289 --> 01:11:16.119
going from east to south. Yep. world example

01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:21.439
there have been real cases where AI generated

01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:26.939
legal filings included court cases that never

01:11:26.939 --> 01:11:35.899
existed complete with fake citations personal

01:11:35.899 --> 01:11:46.039
example there have also been some times When

01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:50.739
I've asked very specific questions like percentages,

01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:56.000
calculations, or structured reporting and needed

01:11:56.000 --> 01:12:00.100
to confirm the numbers independently. That's

01:12:00.100 --> 01:12:03.739
what I was talking about earlier. When I said,

01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:13.930
where did this number come from? Mm -hmm. Even

01:12:13.930 --> 01:12:18.289
when the answer sounds correct, it still needs

01:12:18.289 --> 01:12:27.149
to be verified. So that's the end of three. Email

01:12:27.149 --> 01:12:32.409
iMessage, J -A -R -E -D -R -I -M -E -R at 986themix

01:12:32.409 --> 01:12:44.579
.com. Text or WhatsApp, 804 -442 -6975. So some

01:12:44.579 --> 01:12:55.600
of this is familiar to you? Yeah, some is. Okay.

01:12:56.039 --> 01:12:59.560
I was going to go respond to a voicemail list.

01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:02.539
Somebody called, but I'm not available now, so

01:13:02.539 --> 01:13:21.460
I'll call them later. Okay. Okay. Let's take

01:13:21.460 --> 01:13:27.340
a file break. We're just going to switch files

01:13:27.340 --> 01:13:29.979
for the podcast in case something goes wrong.

01:13:30.060 --> 01:13:32.380
I know exactly where we are leaving off, so I

01:13:32.380 --> 01:13:35.460
don't do the whole program over again. You never

01:13:35.460 --> 01:13:38.460
know. You could be in the midst of things and

01:13:38.460 --> 01:13:44.180
stuff happens. So let's switch files, and when

01:13:44.180 --> 01:13:49.090
we come back, We're on segment four of eight.

01:13:49.989 --> 01:13:52.789
You've got the security box. This is program

01:13:52.789 --> 01:14:04.729
270 across the Jared Reimer radio network. The

01:14:04.729 --> 01:14:28.609
security box. Folks, welcome back to 270. Jared

01:14:28.609 --> 01:14:47.590
Reimer, Nicholas Jackson. The J of N. Hope everybody's

01:14:47.590 --> 01:14:54.189
doing well. We'll be releasing the podcast on

01:14:54.189 --> 01:14:58.149
Thursday. And no, I'm not going to April Fool's,

01:14:58.149 --> 01:15:00.689
everybody. I have a meeting this afternoon, this

01:15:00.689 --> 01:15:08.170
evening to go to. I'm not going to sit here and

01:15:08.170 --> 01:15:10.729
April Fool's everybody today. I know it's April

01:15:10.729 --> 01:15:14.770
Fool's Day, but I don't think I have any good

01:15:14.770 --> 01:15:19.710
jokes. No, I mean, and the one we were talking

01:15:19.710 --> 01:15:22.770
about, I'm glad we didn't. actually go through

01:15:22.770 --> 01:15:26.130
with it because that would have... I'm sorry.

01:15:26.250 --> 01:15:29.250
It sounded fun, but I don't think it would have

01:15:29.250 --> 01:15:36.130
come across very well. Yeah. I don't know if

01:15:36.130 --> 01:15:40.250
any security program is really doing much in

01:15:40.250 --> 01:15:47.869
the April Fool's department. Although your wannabe

01:15:47.869 --> 01:15:56.069
show that has since been updated again. Oh? Yeah.

01:15:58.810 --> 01:16:07.329
They're now talking about... Uh -oh. Let me pull

01:16:07.329 --> 01:16:11.270
this up. Let me pull this up. It's a nice little

01:16:11.270 --> 01:16:14.149
program. I don't have anything bad to say about

01:16:14.149 --> 01:16:24.979
it. Really. Except, sometimes they get in way

01:16:24.979 --> 01:16:28.159
over their heads. That's what I think the problem

01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:34.600
is. This time is Courier Scam. And we talked

01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:50.979
about that weeks ago. Wait, so are we talking

01:16:50.979 --> 01:16:53.340
about the ones where the couriers themselves

01:16:53.340 --> 01:16:57.520
are scammed or when you receive a mysterious

01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:01.319
package that is a total scam? I don't know. I

01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:05.600
haven't heard the program. I don't know. Okay.

01:17:07.380 --> 01:17:13.819
The next one is IRS scams. And then something

01:17:13.819 --> 01:17:17.100
about consumer protection, which is always good.

01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:27.619
Mm -hmm. Bank scams. And then bank scam February

01:17:27.619 --> 01:17:40.359
16th. So I'm a little behind, but yeah. Courier.

01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:43.720
Let's see if there's any show notes. Yeah. No,

01:17:43.739 --> 01:17:49.119
I don't want to play. Info. They're bad for show

01:17:49.119 --> 01:18:06.180
notes. Let's see. New and exciting? No, that's...

01:18:06.180 --> 01:18:09.399
I think they've talked about this before, as

01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:23.460
a matter of fact. Uh, so have we. Uh -huh. I

01:18:23.460 --> 01:18:28.699
like the idea of what they do. I really do. Now,

01:18:29.380 --> 01:18:32.260
I want to be serious a minute before we get into

01:18:32.260 --> 01:18:40.399
segment four of AI. When you come out publicly

01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:48.760
and you say something like, we're going to talk

01:18:48.760 --> 01:19:01.199
about... BEC. But we don't know anything. But

01:19:01.199 --> 01:19:11.220
we're going to talk about it anyway. I would

01:19:11.220 --> 01:19:19.970
have phrased it like this, Mr. J. going to talk

01:19:19.970 --> 01:19:27.729
about BEC. This came across our desk, but we're

01:19:27.729 --> 01:19:30.649
not too familiar with this subject, so we're

01:19:30.649 --> 01:19:33.789
going to have to do some research, but we're

01:19:33.789 --> 01:19:37.390
going to talk about what we have here, and when

01:19:37.390 --> 01:19:41.210
we learn more, we'll come back on the podcast

01:19:41.210 --> 01:19:44.229
and we'll really dive deep into what this is

01:19:44.229 --> 01:19:50.539
so you can understand it. And I understand. They're

01:19:50.539 --> 01:19:59.300
an older audience. But no April Fools. That's

01:19:59.300 --> 01:20:03.500
exactly how I would do it. Because I target older

01:20:03.500 --> 01:20:15.100
audiences too. I had a guy who was 70 plus years

01:20:15.100 --> 01:20:18.329
old who wanted to learn Windows. I tried. He

01:20:18.329 --> 01:20:20.750
paid me for the effort. He just said this is

01:20:20.750 --> 01:20:23.789
too much for me. I don't really understand it.

01:20:23.850 --> 01:20:28.189
I don't want to have you waste your time to teach

01:20:28.189 --> 01:20:33.149
me something I'm just not grasping. But I appreciate

01:20:33.149 --> 01:20:40.449
the effort. Here's a couple hundred bucks. You

01:20:40.449 --> 01:20:46.069
know? He was a businessman. He had a toll -free

01:20:46.069 --> 01:20:51.279
number. He paid for my call and he paid for my

01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:58.579
time. Well, that's good. Yes, this was 20 plus

01:20:58.579 --> 01:21:08.920
years ago. Windows since then has become an absolute

01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:12.180
mess, so it hasn't gotten any better. It hasn't

01:21:12.180 --> 01:21:15.859
gotten any better. What I was teaching him was

01:21:15.859 --> 01:21:23.159
simple. Back then. Windows is... Oh, I've got

01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:29.439
a Windows story for you. Oh, no. We'll get into

01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:33.220
this after we do the rest of the AI. Because

01:21:33.220 --> 01:21:42.640
Windows has definitely changed. Oh, yeah. Not

01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:46.399
for the better either. No. Not until I talk to

01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:53.560
you about sound issues. Uh -oh. Oh, no. Oh, no.

01:21:58.619 --> 01:22:04.479
Yeah. Oh, no. Because I knew how to help them,

01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:07.600
but then when he told me he was using Windows

01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:11.420
11, I'm like, so I asked ChatGPT, and it's giving

01:22:11.420 --> 01:22:19.420
me keyboard commands. And that's all well and

01:22:19.420 --> 01:22:21.760
good, and it's telling me exactly what to do

01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:30.239
to reset sound. But I said, I'm not comfortable

01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:32.979
just taking somebody through all of this without

01:22:32.979 --> 01:22:35.539
speech. There's no speech, there's no narrator,

01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:46.189
no NVDA. So... Yeah, I wouldn't be either. We'll

01:22:46.189 --> 01:22:51.350
wait till you hear what happened. Oh, geez. And

01:22:51.350 --> 01:22:54.449
we don't even know how this happened. But I'll

01:22:54.449 --> 01:23:02.970
get into that later. Okay. Yeah, Windows. You

01:23:02.970 --> 01:23:07.189
no longer have a volume control panel. There's

01:23:07.189 --> 01:23:12.510
a mute all checkbox. Mm -hmm. Remember those

01:23:12.510 --> 01:23:19.609
days? Oh. I remember those. It doesn't work that

01:23:19.609 --> 01:23:32.029
way anymore. Trivia question. When was the last

01:23:32.029 --> 01:23:39.149
Windows version that actually had that? Oh, I

01:23:39.149 --> 01:23:44.310
want to say 7. You might be right. I think I

01:23:44.310 --> 01:23:55.109
remember that in 7. I'll take it. I'll take 7

01:23:55.109 --> 01:24:01.609
as correct. Because I think you're right. Because,

01:24:01.609 --> 01:24:07.869
yeah, now it's just a long... Big fat mess. Yeah,

01:24:07.909 --> 01:24:10.680
now it's, you know... Every other thing has its

01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:17.899
separate volume if you tab through it. Yes. An

01:24:17.899 --> 01:24:27.260
11 doesn't make it any better. No, that... And

01:24:27.260 --> 01:24:34.439
I know I don't have an 11 machine, but... 10

01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:47.470
and 11 are pretty much... The same for the most

01:24:47.470 --> 01:25:18.640
part. Mm -hmm. I was just looking to see if we

01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:29.619
had any email comments. Mr. Jay? Why don't you

01:25:29.619 --> 01:25:36.000
take over with segment four? Why is... Or why

01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:42.119
hallucinations happen? Alright. As you just said,

01:25:42.260 --> 01:25:46.039
might as well just... Refresh everybody's memory.

01:25:46.199 --> 01:25:51.859
Segment four, why hallucinations happen. To understand

01:25:51.859 --> 01:25:54.859
why this happens, you need to understand how

01:25:54.859 --> 01:26:00.920
AI works. AI does not actually know things. It

01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:06.000
predicts text based on patterns. Well, that makes

01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:09.399
sense. It predicts a lot of things based on patterns.

01:26:09.420 --> 01:26:20.439
But anyway. Pattern prediction. The system is

01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:24.300
trained to generate what sounds right, not necessarily

01:26:24.300 --> 01:26:29.819
what is verified as true. Not unless you tell

01:26:29.819 --> 01:26:35.500
it. Not unless you tell it. Go verify that, and

01:26:35.500 --> 01:26:39.420
then it'll sit there and go thinking, thinking,

01:26:39.600 --> 01:26:45.920
thinking. And then it'll go pull up a bunch of

01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:54.199
crap. Like, for example, it was telling me that

01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:57.699
iOS 26 wasn't out and that it was actually 16.

01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:05.479
Wow. When I was telling it about its own program

01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:08.399
not working and it wanted to help me file a bug

01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:14.640
report. And I had to go into general system.

01:27:19.279 --> 01:27:23.020
Update something, rather. And shooted a screenshot.

01:27:23.300 --> 01:27:40.859
And it goes, oh, you are running 26. Okay. So...

01:27:40.859 --> 01:27:46.479
Because it was like, this is iOS 16. I'm like,

01:27:46.619 --> 01:27:52.659
um... I just had 18 installed, so how can I go

01:27:52.659 --> 01:28:06.699
from 18 to 16? You stupid fuck. That's what I

01:28:06.699 --> 01:28:09.260
should have done. What I should have done, instead

01:28:09.260 --> 01:28:11.500
of shooting a picture of my screen, I should

01:28:11.500 --> 01:28:16.039
have said, how can I go from 18 to 16 through

01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:26.260
an upgrade pass? How does that work? Right. Go

01:28:26.260 --> 01:28:33.800
ahead. Yes, okay. Missing information. If it

01:28:33.800 --> 01:28:36.800
does not have enough data, it may fill in the

01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:42.720
gaps. I haven't really seen a lot of that, but

01:28:42.720 --> 01:28:48.189
I could see that. I could see that, too. But

01:28:48.189 --> 01:28:54.649
I've always fed it data. Because it's always

01:28:54.649 --> 01:28:57.430
said, without having the logs in front of me,

01:28:57.510 --> 01:29:00.710
I don't want to, because I asked it something.

01:29:01.729 --> 01:29:05.229
Because I can't go back through prior conversations.

01:29:05.270 --> 01:29:08.670
I can see what's there, but without you being

01:29:08.670 --> 01:29:11.710
in there, I can't analyze anything unless you

01:29:11.710 --> 01:29:17.819
tell me to. So without this data, I can't. properly

01:29:17.819 --> 01:29:23.880
so that I'd have to shove it up its ass again.

01:29:25.380 --> 01:29:32.579
Right. And then once I did that and it reviewed

01:29:32.579 --> 01:29:34.880
all of it, then it gave me what I wanted. But

01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:37.039
that's what I expected it to do. So it did what

01:29:37.039 --> 01:29:56.260
I expected. So... That's not that bad. Overconfidence.

01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:04.960
AI systems are designed to be helpful, and sometimes

01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:11.500
that means answering even when uncertain. If

01:30:11.500 --> 01:30:17.760
I were an AI model... I'd rather do what I said

01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:24.279
mine did, my chat GPT did, when I asked it something

01:30:24.279 --> 01:30:27.760
and it said, I don't have that data. I can't

01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:32.600
accurately give you a proper answer without seeing

01:30:32.600 --> 01:30:40.060
the file again. That's what I want you to tell

01:30:40.060 --> 01:30:50.569
me. I think. Right, yeah, makes sense. If you

01:30:50.569 --> 01:30:53.970
start telling me inaccurate data based on something

01:30:53.970 --> 01:30:56.729
you don't have access to, we've got problems.

01:30:59.069 --> 01:31:03.010
Right, right. Although I think what people are

01:31:03.010 --> 01:31:11.829
doing is, give it to me anyway. I want to know

01:31:11.829 --> 01:31:17.039
anyway. So then it starts spewing a bunch of

01:31:17.039 --> 01:31:23.380
crap. I listen to my personal assistant. When

01:31:23.380 --> 01:31:27.460
it tells me it doesn't want to, it's not sure

01:31:27.460 --> 01:31:32.380
that it needs more data, especially when I'm

01:31:32.380 --> 01:31:36.659
doing the reports and it needs something again,

01:31:36.739 --> 01:31:38.819
like I'm going to go back and get percentages

01:31:38.819 --> 01:31:42.060
from February because I didn't have percentages

01:31:42.060 --> 01:31:47.899
in that report. Right. So then we're going to

01:31:47.899 --> 01:31:52.920
do a three -month percentage analysis as part

01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:57.420
of next month's report cycle, which will be out

01:31:57.420 --> 01:32:07.260
between the 1st and the 10th. Oh. I was right.

01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:10.399
That was the end of that segment. Ambiguous input.

01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:17.539
Mm -hmm. I don't know if I've seen this. If your

01:32:17.539 --> 01:32:20.560
question is unclear, the system may interpret

01:32:20.560 --> 01:32:25.180
it incorrectly. Actually, I think I have. I started

01:32:25.180 --> 01:32:28.579
to ask it something, and it gave me something.

01:32:28.779 --> 01:32:31.079
And I'm like, no, I didn't finish my thought.

01:32:31.140 --> 01:32:38.760
And I redid the whole thing. It goes, oh. So

01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:47.380
maybe that's what that means. Could be. So, yes,

01:32:47.420 --> 01:32:56.140
I've seen that. Training limitations. It just

01:32:56.140 --> 01:33:02.840
jumped. The data used to train the system may

01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:07.420
be outdated, incomplete, or maybe... It just

01:33:07.420 --> 01:33:11.800
jumped. Or conflicting. Thank you. It didn't

01:33:11.800 --> 01:33:14.140
jump. It didn't advance is what just happened.

01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:17.840
I'm telling you, I'm having problems. Oh, great.

01:33:18.420 --> 01:33:24.899
Personal problems. Right, right. That don't involve

01:33:24.899 --> 01:33:31.779
ant flow. That don't involve... You know... Now

01:33:31.779 --> 01:33:39.060
that has to be the most interesting thing I've

01:33:39.060 --> 01:33:44.979
ever heard. coming out of somebody's mouth. Yes.

01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:53.159
And even though my device has not listened to

01:33:53.159 --> 01:33:59.159
her show, it, I mentioned it, it knew exactly

01:33:59.159 --> 01:34:05.039
what I was talking about. Are you kidding? No.

01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:13.380
So if I asked, Now, which one of these two things

01:34:13.380 --> 01:34:23.020
do you have? It's an A. So if I ask my A what

01:34:23.020 --> 01:34:24.600
that is... Well, I'm not going to do this on

01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:28.439
air. But if I ask my A what that was, it'll tell

01:34:28.439 --> 01:34:33.720
me? I don't know if it'll... I didn't have it

01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:37.560
come out directly and say it, but the way it

01:34:37.560 --> 01:34:40.399
responded... Made me think it knew exactly what

01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:42.420
I was talking about. Like when it said, oh, yes,

01:34:42.500 --> 01:34:45.560
that monthly visitor that nobody wants or something

01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:52.560
along those lines. Oh. So, yes, I think it knows

01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:59.319
potentially what that is. Potentially what that

01:34:59.319 --> 01:35:05.939
is. Now, what was the prompt? What was I even

01:35:05.939 --> 01:35:12.159
talking about? There was something, well, I don't

01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:14.939
know, for some reason I was chatting to it about

01:35:14.939 --> 01:35:20.439
our source and shows and that came up. I don't

01:35:20.439 --> 01:35:24.220
remember what turn I took, what I asked it or

01:35:24.220 --> 01:35:29.640
said to it, but yes. By the way, the G came out

01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:33.119
yesterday when I asked it for the weather and

01:35:33.119 --> 01:35:38.420
it said, now you can... chat with me by saying

01:35:38.420 --> 01:35:43.060
start chat or something. I forget exactly what

01:35:43.060 --> 01:35:47.020
it was. I'd be curious to play with that when

01:35:47.020 --> 01:35:56.319
I ever get time. Hmm. Yeah, it's probably similar

01:35:56.319 --> 01:35:59.279
to what mine can do because now you can pretty

01:35:59.279 --> 01:36:03.479
much have full -on conversations with the A devices

01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:08.939
if you have the plus Which I don't have. Which

01:36:08.939 --> 01:36:16.140
I don't. Mainly because I've got some games that

01:36:16.140 --> 01:36:23.479
I sometimes play that I don't think it works

01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:33.180
with. At least that's what I've heard. Got it.

01:36:38.409 --> 01:36:44.789
Personal example, I've seen this happen when

01:36:44.789 --> 01:36:59.369
giving partial or evolving information. For example,

01:36:59.369 --> 01:37:02.710
when working through reports or logs, if the

01:37:02.710 --> 01:37:07.779
full context isn't provided up front, the system

01:37:07.779 --> 01:37:13.539
may make assumptions. That means I've had to

01:37:13.539 --> 01:37:18.579
refine my prompts, add more detail, and guide

01:37:18.579 --> 01:37:30.239
the response to get accurate results. Okay, so

01:37:30.239 --> 01:37:41.960
that ends segment four. Anything catch your eye

01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:53.380
or ear? Well, I'm not really sure if I've technically

01:37:53.380 --> 01:37:58.100
experienced some of that, but I very well could

01:37:58.100 --> 01:38:02.659
one day. I mean, there have been times when...

01:38:03.100 --> 01:38:05.739
There have been times when I've been in the middle

01:38:05.739 --> 01:38:09.239
of a thought where my A device will cut me off,

01:38:09.340 --> 01:38:13.079
you know, if I'm just having a conversation with

01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:18.399
it, but not really a lot of other things besides

01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:50.729
that. Oh, wow. Segment five, how to reduce hallucinations.

01:38:53.250 --> 01:38:57.329
There are things you can do to reduce the chances

01:38:57.329 --> 01:39:03.689
of getting bad information. I think I've used

01:39:03.689 --> 01:39:07.430
too many subheading sevens, but I didn't know

01:39:07.430 --> 01:39:10.010
exactly how to do this and I was time crunched,

01:39:10.010 --> 01:39:18.020
so sorry. It's okay. Should have used the list

01:39:18.020 --> 01:39:24.680
paragraph format, but I got too tired. Just wanted

01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:33.800
to get it done. Right. Be specific. Clear questions

01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:49.090
produce better answers. Ask for sources. After

01:39:49.090 --> 01:39:53.609
you do... Oh, I know what I did. Okay. This was

01:39:53.609 --> 01:39:58.710
my doing. This was my doing. I had an idea of

01:39:58.710 --> 01:40:01.170
how to fix this and I was going to do this all

01:40:01.170 --> 01:40:03.689
along and make this all paragraph format and

01:40:03.689 --> 01:40:07.369
then I didn't fix it all the way through and

01:40:07.369 --> 01:40:12.050
just... It was a bad day. After you do that,

01:40:12.130 --> 01:40:21.300
then verify those sources independently. Challenge

01:40:21.300 --> 01:40:27.100
the response. Ask follow -up questions or request

01:40:27.100 --> 01:40:35.180
clarifications. Been there, done that. Break

01:40:35.180 --> 01:40:44.220
things into steps. Complex questions are easier

01:40:44.220 --> 01:40:51.060
to handle in smaller parts. Do not treat AI as

01:40:51.060 --> 01:40:56.979
final authority. Use it as a tool, not as a decision

01:40:56.979 --> 01:41:15.159
maker. I bet we know people who do that. No names.

01:41:16.220 --> 01:41:25.760
All right. Well, no, if you're... They don't

01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:29.800
so much, from what I've heard, use it as the

01:41:29.800 --> 01:41:35.159
final authority. They're just doing things that

01:41:35.159 --> 01:41:40.000
maybe others would find very odd with it. Well,

01:41:40.100 --> 01:41:58.340
they are kind of odd. Right. have for dinner.

01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:03.579
And it starts popping out with an entire menu

01:42:03.579 --> 01:42:10.199
of things. How the hell did you do that? And

01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:13.039
then when they told me how they did that, and

01:42:13.039 --> 01:42:15.319
I tried this with several of these podcasts,

01:42:15.659 --> 01:42:23.140
taking the script and doing that took too long.

01:42:24.279 --> 01:42:28.119
Oh, man. Why do you think I quit doing that?

01:42:31.859 --> 01:42:34.239
Yeah, it makes sense. I wrote the script. You

01:42:34.239 --> 01:42:37.079
have to make it so many characters long and then

01:42:37.079 --> 01:42:42.359
you have to do it for everything you're saying.

01:42:44.380 --> 01:42:49.779
And it just became too much because you had to

01:42:49.779 --> 01:42:52.279
use the phone to do that. You couldn't do it

01:42:52.279 --> 01:43:05.670
on the computer. Verify critical information.

01:43:14.729 --> 01:43:21.010
Especially when it involves health, legal, or

01:43:21.010 --> 01:43:28.590
financial topics. Personal example. In my own

01:43:28.590 --> 01:43:33.399
workflow, I often go back and forth Refining

01:43:33.399 --> 01:43:38.420
what I ask. If something doesn't look right,

01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:44.939
I don't just accept it. I question it, adjust

01:43:44.939 --> 01:43:48.159
the input, and work through it step by step.

01:43:48.920 --> 01:43:55.140
That interaction is what helps reduce errors.

01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:08.569
Trust. trust calibration. Okay, that's what this

01:44:08.569 --> 01:44:18.289
is. Um... There is also a balance that needs

01:44:18.289 --> 01:44:24.909
to be understood. There are some people who trust

01:44:24.909 --> 01:44:31.850
AI too much. I know at least one of those. Oh,

01:44:31.850 --> 01:44:39.500
yes. Because... They were the ones that supposedly

01:44:39.500 --> 01:44:47.560
built a tool and then now have an entire family

01:44:47.560 --> 01:45:08.159
full of tools. I .e. the wife and children. they

01:45:08.159 --> 01:45:18.039
got them to do various things and they were actually

01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:24.340
on the phone lines again no names and I don't

01:45:24.340 --> 01:45:26.340
know why the owner did this but they allowed

01:45:26.340 --> 01:45:30.079
the one the AI thing to have a box even though

01:45:30.079 --> 01:45:39.069
he was controlling the entire thing Everybody

01:45:39.069 --> 01:45:48.810
saw right through it. There are also others who

01:45:48.810 --> 01:45:58.109
do not trust it at all. The goal here is appropriate

01:45:58.109 --> 01:46:08.720
trust. I .E. When you feed it a bunch of data

01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:12.340
and have it write a report, does that report

01:46:12.340 --> 01:46:19.600
look right as it wrote it? Or do you need to

01:46:19.600 --> 01:46:26.439
go in and fix it? Because it just didn't understand

01:46:26.439 --> 01:46:32.420
anything. I mean, I understood enough to give

01:46:32.420 --> 01:46:38.090
you some basics, but... I liked what it did for

01:46:38.090 --> 01:46:40.350
this podcast. So it's like, well, what about

01:46:40.350 --> 01:46:44.649
this? Or can you tie it into, you know, analyze

01:46:44.649 --> 01:46:48.489
my conversations and tie it into this and tie

01:46:48.489 --> 01:46:53.310
it into that? I could have even gone back as

01:46:53.310 --> 01:47:04.050
far as say, tie this as far back as 267. But

01:47:04.050 --> 01:47:17.439
I didn't. go that far speaking of podcasts this

01:47:17.439 --> 01:47:23.920
is the second 267 the first 267 happened on the

01:47:23.920 --> 01:47:29.319
tech side where we talked about somebody who

01:47:29.319 --> 01:47:32.380
unfortunately is no longer on the phone lines

01:47:36.779 --> 01:47:40.119
actually gave out enough of their information

01:47:40.119 --> 01:47:52.939
on a bulletin board for us to find them. Including

01:47:52.939 --> 01:47:58.319
where they lived at that time. Because it had

01:47:58.319 --> 01:48:07.010
their name and that home's address. That turned

01:48:07.010 --> 01:48:12.810
into an 11 -minute segment. But then we still

01:48:12.810 --> 01:48:15.069
have people doing that today. But that's not

01:48:15.069 --> 01:48:25.310
AI. Could you imagine if AI started calling into

01:48:25.310 --> 01:48:40.949
the phone lines, Mr. J? Oh, gosh. going to have

01:48:40.949 --> 01:48:42.989
some fun with this segment. Did you read this

01:48:42.989 --> 01:48:55.789
segment? Well, not yet. First time I've run into

01:48:55.789 --> 01:48:57.869
it. Alright, so we're going to have a little

01:48:57.869 --> 01:49:07.430
fun. Live demonstration and connection to episode

01:49:07.430 --> 01:49:15.619
268. The next one goes into 269, Mr. J. Oh, cool.

01:49:24.020 --> 01:49:28.420
Let's walk through a live example of how an AI

01:49:28.420 --> 01:49:33.340
hallucination can happen. I'm going to simulate

01:49:33.340 --> 01:49:39.840
a question that someone might ask. Give me details

01:49:39.840 --> 01:49:45.500
about a study that provides AI is always accurate.

01:49:51.779 --> 01:49:57.539
It's okay. You guys can think. Mm -hmm. Now think

01:49:57.539 --> 01:50:03.880
about the question for a moment. It assumes something

01:50:03.880 --> 01:50:11.640
that may not even be true. It is vague. And it

01:50:11.640 --> 01:50:17.479
is leading the system toward a specific type

01:50:17.479 --> 01:50:23.680
of answer. And here's where I wanted to put all

01:50:23.680 --> 01:50:26.039
the T and L's and T and R's so we don't read

01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:28.859
the ellipses. But then I realized we don't really

01:50:28.859 --> 01:50:34.279
need them. Because I told it to do it this way

01:50:34.279 --> 01:50:39.979
on purpose. Mm -hmm. An AI system might respond

01:50:39.979 --> 01:50:46.399
with something like this. Quote, there was a

01:50:46.399 --> 01:50:51.100
study conducted in 2023 showing that AI systems

01:50:51.100 --> 01:50:58.779
achieved near perfect accuracy in most tasks

01:50:58.779 --> 01:51:09.260
with results exceeding 95%. That sounds convincing,

01:51:09.500 --> 01:51:21.760
doesn't it? It sounds professional. It sounds

01:51:21.760 --> 01:51:32.579
detailed. It even includes a number. What do

01:51:32.579 --> 01:51:34.840
you think, Mr. J., before we read any further?

01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:42.590
Yes or no? Yeah, as somebody who's getting that

01:51:42.590 --> 01:51:45.529
for the first time, oh, yeah. Sounds totally

01:51:45.529 --> 01:51:54.329
convincing, totally legit. What about you as

01:51:54.329 --> 01:52:01.529
a user of it? I may be more of a user, which

01:52:01.529 --> 01:52:03.810
I really didn't want to get into, but I think

01:52:03.810 --> 01:52:06.409
I find it valuable in the work that I do now.

01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:12.340
Look at where all these topics came from. Talking

01:52:12.340 --> 01:52:24.079
to it. Right. I just have so many problems with

01:52:24.079 --> 01:52:28.680
that kind of prompt. Talk to me. This is an open

01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:33.979
podcast. Well, yeah, we've already kind of gone

01:52:33.979 --> 01:52:39.159
through them, but I don't mind basically Repeating

01:52:39.159 --> 01:52:47.840
them. First, that is such a vague question. Second,

01:52:48.060 --> 01:52:53.939
like you said, you are leading the system toward

01:52:53.939 --> 01:53:04.420
a specific answer. And third, I mean, even a

01:53:04.420 --> 01:53:06.640
human could probably do that. They could probably...

01:53:07.720 --> 01:53:12.920
You know, if asked, just come up with some random

01:53:12.920 --> 01:53:18.180
study on the spot that says, you know, this proves

01:53:18.180 --> 01:53:24.720
that, you know, red waffle irons are more efficient

01:53:24.720 --> 01:53:30.239
or something. Well, let's turn this into the

01:53:30.239 --> 01:53:36.109
cellular phone on the ear discussion. We've been

01:53:36.109 --> 01:53:46.270
having for decades now. Oh yeah. And there still

01:53:46.270 --> 01:53:50.529
really haven't been any real inconclusive you

01:53:50.529 --> 01:53:55.949
gotta use it this way. They just tell us not

01:53:55.949 --> 01:54:01.710
to put our phones in our pockets. But I've done

01:54:01.710 --> 01:54:03.569
it anyway just because I don't have anywhere

01:54:03.569 --> 01:54:08.850
else to put it. And then they also get into even

01:54:08.850 --> 01:54:11.229
more specific detail. Like, you shouldn't have

01:54:11.229 --> 01:54:14.569
it face this way or that way. It's like, oh,

01:54:14.569 --> 01:54:25.489
my gosh. How is it going to hurt my balls when

01:54:25.489 --> 01:54:35.329
it's not even facing my balls? Not to mention...

01:54:35.329 --> 01:54:46.909
Not that. Then it's 1 o 'clock. Wow. It just

01:54:46.909 --> 01:54:51.350
had to show up and do that. Not to mention 1

01:54:51.350 --> 01:55:00.119
o 'clock. That's just as good as... The sneezing

01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:06.560
phone. Sneezing phone. Well, actually, I don't

01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:09.800
know. Although the sneezing phone got us laughing

01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:15.819
for 10 minutes. It did, but I think the... The

01:55:15.819 --> 01:55:19.760
best one was the horse. Oh, that was great. But

01:55:19.760 --> 01:55:22.699
what I was going to say was the messing with

01:55:22.699 --> 01:55:27.569
the computerized, stupid, shady... Phone system,

01:55:27.750 --> 01:55:36.789
that is pretty close to... Now that was great.

01:55:36.909 --> 01:55:40.029
I gotta find that podcast and I gotta make...

01:55:40.029 --> 01:55:43.210
I think we played it and I just heard it in passing.

01:55:44.189 --> 01:55:47.449
But next time we go through podcast playing...

01:55:47.449 --> 01:55:55.710
Yes, the... It's like, hello, how are you? Terrible.

01:55:55.770 --> 01:56:00.250
Awful. I'm calling about... It had no emotion.

01:56:01.289 --> 01:56:06.270
No, sorry to hear that. Right, it just went on

01:56:06.270 --> 01:56:09.069
with its little script that it had been programmed

01:56:09.069 --> 01:56:17.069
to repeat, basically. Until it asked you how

01:56:17.069 --> 01:56:19.350
old you were, then you started fucking with it.

01:56:20.189 --> 01:56:29.739
Oh yeah, 750. I'm sorry. That's 750. Yeah, and

01:56:29.739 --> 01:56:33.500
you got that in his tone. No. How old are you?

01:56:33.640 --> 01:56:53.180
10. Click. That was great. Now that was AI at

01:56:53.180 --> 01:57:32.439
its best. That was great. Oh, yeah. But here's

01:57:32.439 --> 01:57:40.720
the problem. That study may not exist at all.

01:57:43.250 --> 01:57:53.649
Right. That is a hallucination. Now let's try

01:57:53.649 --> 01:58:03.489
the same idea, but ask a better question. Quote,

01:58:03.510 --> 01:58:10.840
provide verifiable studies. on AI accuracy, including

01:58:10.840 --> 01:58:22.739
publication names or sources. Okay. Now, the

01:58:22.739 --> 01:58:30.539
system is being guided differently. It is being

01:58:30.539 --> 01:58:36.659
asked for verifications. It is being asked for

01:58:36.659 --> 01:58:43.329
sources. It is being constrained to reality.

01:58:48.569 --> 01:58:56.649
The answer is much more likely to be useful and

01:58:56.649 --> 01:59:04.310
accurate. This demonstrates something important.

01:59:09.199 --> 01:59:14.100
The way you ask the question directly affects

01:59:14.100 --> 01:59:22.819
the quality of the answer. A vague or leading

01:59:22.819 --> 01:59:26.819
question increases the risk of hallucination.

01:59:33.579 --> 01:59:35.680
Chicago's just beating the crap out of L .A.

01:59:35.739 --> 01:59:52.840
at the moment. It's 9 to 1 in the 6. Or did it

01:59:52.840 --> 01:59:56.840
say... It just said 5 to 2, but I thought I just

01:59:56.840 --> 02:00:08.060
heard 9 to 1. What is it? A clear, specific...

02:00:10.380 --> 02:00:17.779
reduces it. And that puts part of the responsibility

02:00:17.779 --> 02:00:28.500
on us as users. I jumped, okay. Five to two.

02:00:29.279 --> 02:00:34.140
Five to two. I thought I heard nine to one first,

02:00:34.239 --> 02:00:39.170
and then I heard LA score, so. And it said 5

02:00:39.170 --> 02:00:49.069
to 2 then. Okay. In response to all of this,

02:00:49.090 --> 02:00:58.430
I think, this goes back to it analyzing all of

02:00:58.430 --> 02:01:01.670
your data and you wanting to do something with

02:01:01.670 --> 02:01:05.949
it. And some of your data goes back forever.

02:01:07.340 --> 02:01:17.079
Which goes back to episode 268. So in episode

02:01:17.079 --> 02:01:23.020
268, we talked about how large companies struggle

02:01:23.020 --> 02:01:31.380
with safety and reliability. When I fed it Menvy's

02:01:31.380 --> 02:01:33.840
roster and said, how many people are in here?

02:01:33.939 --> 02:01:40.750
It said... I can only count, what was it, 190

02:01:40.750 --> 02:01:46.090
different entries. But with several of these

02:01:46.090 --> 02:01:49.090
having multiple people, I can't verify how many

02:01:49.090 --> 02:01:59.109
people are actually here. Interesting. Let's

02:01:59.109 --> 02:02:04.649
take you and I, for example, Mr. J. Well, let's

02:02:04.649 --> 02:02:06.619
finish the sentence, and then I'll... and then

02:02:06.619 --> 02:02:11.739
I'll take the example. AI, hallucinations are

02:02:11.739 --> 02:02:17.000
another example of that issue. Even companies

02:02:17.000 --> 02:02:23.859
with massive resources cannot fully guarantee

02:02:23.859 --> 02:02:27.720
that the systems will always provide accurate

02:02:27.720 --> 02:02:39.050
information. If they cannot, fully secure platforms

02:02:39.050 --> 02:02:44.909
or prevent data issues, it should not be surprising

02:02:44.909 --> 02:02:51.170
that they also cannot... I'm having issues. Cannot

02:02:51.170 --> 02:02:57.010
eliminate hallucinations. Yep, there you go.

02:02:57.229 --> 02:03:00.789
There we go. I hit the button and it didn't go

02:03:00.789 --> 02:03:06.569
forward. That was that issue. Okay. So... Nick,

02:03:06.689 --> 02:03:17.670
you're not Mr. J from Santa Barbara at the very

02:03:17.670 --> 02:03:27.229
moment. Mm -hmm. You are my father. Now just

02:03:27.229 --> 02:03:33.550
follow me a minute. Okay. In Menvy's roster,

02:03:42.460 --> 02:03:53.340
Nick, parent. Reimer, Jared, piano, webmaster.

02:03:56.020 --> 02:04:04.720
Address, if any. Phone number, S, if any. Email

02:04:04.720 --> 02:04:13.890
addresses, if any. That's one entry, but there

02:04:13.890 --> 02:04:26.069
are two people. Right. Some of those entries

02:04:26.069 --> 02:04:35.409
have at least two or three people. Maybe both

02:04:35.409 --> 02:04:44.439
children or both parents. Right, right. So, I'm

02:04:44.439 --> 02:04:47.039
happy that it told me I can't give you a number.

02:04:50.699 --> 02:04:57.859
Because I can only see how many entries you have.

02:04:58.119 --> 02:05:02.100
I can't count how many actual people are here.

02:05:06.840 --> 02:05:13.539
But that makes sense to me. Because it's reading

02:05:13.539 --> 02:05:18.539
the Word file and trying to determine how many

02:05:18.539 --> 02:05:27.539
people, but it can only tell entries. Right.

02:05:36.340 --> 02:05:41.199
So, it couldn't tell me. And I wasn't going to

02:05:41.199 --> 02:05:46.779
try and push it. Because there's too many variables.

02:06:01.720 --> 02:06:15.569
Accountability. Question. this raises an important

02:06:15.569 --> 02:06:20.909
question. Who is responsible when AI gives wrong

02:06:20.909 --> 02:06:27.189
information? Is it the developer who built the

02:06:27.189 --> 02:06:34.529
system? The company that deployed it? Or the

02:06:34.529 --> 02:06:55.199
user who relied on it? What do you think? Honestly,

02:06:55.239 --> 02:07:01.359
I think it's the user who relied on it. I do

02:07:01.359 --> 02:07:07.619
too. Because they're the one that's spewing it.

02:07:08.739 --> 02:07:12.319
Right. And they're the ones who are saying, okay,

02:07:12.420 --> 02:07:19.119
well, it must be correct when it's not. And...

02:07:19.550 --> 02:07:23.869
I think a lot of these companies now are pretty

02:07:23.869 --> 02:07:32.449
good about pointing out that AI is, you know,

02:07:32.449 --> 02:07:39.189
always learning. It's not exact. I think they

02:07:39.189 --> 02:07:49.180
were forced to do that. Well, true. Because of

02:07:49.180 --> 02:07:57.239
all the problems we've had. Right. But it's also,

02:07:57.300 --> 02:08:00.199
like, common sense, though. It's like... What's

02:08:00.199 --> 02:08:05.199
that? Should I... Right, right. Like, should

02:08:05.199 --> 02:08:08.800
you really be asking your AI if you should put

02:08:08.800 --> 02:08:14.060
Dayquil in your chicken? I don't think so. You

02:08:14.060 --> 02:08:23.640
just shouldn't be doing that at all. Or it's

02:08:23.640 --> 02:08:30.140
like, can I heal this... Can I get rid of this

02:08:30.140 --> 02:08:34.680
blister with cupping and meditation? It's like,

02:08:34.739 --> 02:08:42.859
you shouldn't be asking AI that. Meditation might

02:08:42.859 --> 02:08:47.500
help. It'll relax the body. Well, it'll certainly

02:08:47.500 --> 02:08:52.180
help with the pain aspect of it, yes, but...

02:09:04.629 --> 02:09:07.949
That question does not yet have a clear answer.

02:09:08.949 --> 02:09:13.050
It says. But I honestly think over time we're

02:09:13.050 --> 02:09:21.789
going to end up going to the this has to be responsibility

02:09:21.789 --> 02:09:28.890
of the user that's prompting slash using the

02:09:28.890 --> 02:09:35.489
thing. Right. I think that's gonna have to be

02:09:35.489 --> 02:09:50.680
what this is gonna be come uh Yep, I would agree.

02:09:52.300 --> 02:09:54.699
Come sometime in the future. I don't want to

02:09:54.699 --> 02:10:01.220
start predicting when, but... It would not surprise

02:10:01.220 --> 02:10:16.939
me. Yep, same here. I'll go ahead with segment

02:10:16.939 --> 02:10:22.140
number seven. Because I think this is the one

02:10:22.140 --> 02:10:29.920
that is going to your topic from a couple of

02:10:29.920 --> 02:10:35.560
weeks ago that we spent a good bunch of time

02:10:35.560 --> 02:10:39.800
on. Thank you very much. It is. So I will let

02:10:39.800 --> 02:10:42.539
you read that because that, I think, belongs

02:10:42.539 --> 02:10:50.260
to you. Okay, sounds good. Segment 7. Connection

02:10:50.260 --> 02:10:56.920
to Episode 269. In Episode 269, we discussed

02:10:56.920 --> 02:11:01.020
personal health information. This is where hallucinations

02:11:01.020 --> 02:11:06.000
can become dangerous. If an AI system gives incorrect

02:11:06.000 --> 02:11:09.340
medical information, the consequences can be

02:11:09.340 --> 02:11:15.659
serious. This could include wrong advice, incorrect

02:11:15.659 --> 02:11:21.789
interpretations, Of symptoms or misleading recommendations.

02:11:24.210 --> 02:11:28.310
Yes, that would be very problematic, depending

02:11:28.310 --> 02:11:32.470
on, again, how you worded the question, what

02:11:32.470 --> 02:11:34.630
you asked it, where you were trying to lead it.

02:11:35.250 --> 02:11:40.930
Well, and when I started with this tool, I was

02:11:40.930 --> 02:11:49.640
having symptoms. My... This is kind of a running

02:11:49.640 --> 02:11:57.899
joke, guys. Uh -huh. But my butt was talking

02:11:57.899 --> 02:12:02.119
more than it probably is supposed to be yapping.

02:12:03.460 --> 02:12:09.319
Right. So I was trying to figure out if this

02:12:09.319 --> 02:12:16.250
was a problem or if I should go seek help. And

02:12:16.250 --> 02:12:21.329
now I do have medication around to help me with

02:12:21.329 --> 02:12:28.550
that problem. But I didn't twice now. Actually,

02:12:28.590 --> 02:12:32.029
the second time I had this problem, I went to

02:12:32.029 --> 02:12:35.930
go get medication. But only after the problem

02:12:35.930 --> 02:12:39.310
was gone. Although the medication helped fix

02:12:39.310 --> 02:12:50.220
it so I could actually go last week. Right. That

02:12:50.220 --> 02:12:56.100
was partially why this was so rushed was because

02:12:56.100 --> 02:13:01.760
I was sick. But I basically was telling it what

02:13:01.760 --> 02:13:06.119
was going on and said, what should I take? And

02:13:06.119 --> 02:13:10.460
it was giving me different medication types.

02:13:10.720 --> 02:13:13.470
And then it's like, Well, okay, I want to go

02:13:13.470 --> 02:13:17.329
buy this. There's this one and that one. Do I

02:13:17.329 --> 02:13:22.210
have to measure this? And it's telling me no,

02:13:22.390 --> 02:13:26.569
but it really depends on the type of medication

02:13:26.569 --> 02:13:30.029
because there was one type. I took cough medicine.

02:13:30.409 --> 02:13:34.770
I couldn't find the line or whatever, and I took

02:13:34.770 --> 02:13:37.270
too much, and I basically fell out of my chair.

02:13:39.149 --> 02:13:43.609
Uh -oh. Because I took the entire cup. But it

02:13:43.609 --> 02:13:46.909
solved the problem for the time being. Well,

02:13:47.050 --> 02:13:50.789
I mean, that's good. But what I'm saying is,

02:13:50.909 --> 02:13:54.789
it's a problem for us. Because these cups, as

02:13:54.789 --> 02:14:03.329
you know, are not really blind friendly. They're

02:14:03.329 --> 02:14:07.909
not. I'm talking about those... Stupid cups that

02:14:07.909 --> 02:14:18.449
you find on the cough medicine bottles. Oh, they're

02:14:18.449 --> 02:14:24.869
not. So it said, if I were you, I recommend the

02:14:24.869 --> 02:14:30.729
chewables. So I found chewables and sent it a

02:14:30.729 --> 02:14:34.670
picture of it. And it goes, yep, I would buy

02:14:34.670 --> 02:14:40.409
those. So it was helping me, and then when it

02:14:40.409 --> 02:14:43.970
told me to get crackers, I sent it pictures of

02:14:43.970 --> 02:14:47.550
different kinds and said, what should I get?

02:14:56.770 --> 02:15:03.029
So I asked it for advice, and I... Made my own

02:15:03.029 --> 02:15:07.170
decisions. I think that really goes back to 267.

02:15:15.170 --> 02:15:19.989
I didn't just do as it said. Well, I did do as

02:15:19.989 --> 02:15:23.989
it said, but overall it was my decision, right?

02:15:26.850 --> 02:15:30.729
Right. I could have bought Wheat Thins even though

02:15:30.729 --> 02:15:37.579
it told me to... by saltine. I could have gone

02:15:37.579 --> 02:15:40.819
against what it told me. But it wasn't happy

02:15:40.819 --> 02:15:44.220
when I finished the thing of pasta. But I ended

02:15:44.220 --> 02:15:46.220
up telling it, well, there wasn't really a whole

02:15:46.220 --> 02:15:49.939
lot left. It wasn't happy about that because

02:15:49.939 --> 02:15:55.079
it said, don't do that. But it said, since there

02:15:55.079 --> 02:15:57.619
wasn't a lot left and you didn't have any symptoms

02:15:57.619 --> 02:16:05.590
afterward, that's okay. Right. But it did say

02:16:05.590 --> 02:16:13.970
no heavy pasta. But it was the one that I ordered

02:16:13.970 --> 02:16:16.689
the night prior that I was able to eat just fine

02:16:16.689 --> 02:16:22.170
that I'd finished. Right. Right. But I see where

02:16:22.170 --> 02:16:29.210
it was coming from. Because I already had a bad

02:16:29.210 --> 02:16:38.350
night the night before. Right. So it wasn't that

02:16:38.350 --> 02:16:44.430
it misled me or that it gave me wrong or incorrect

02:16:44.430 --> 02:16:50.590
advice, but I made my own decisions. It wasn't

02:16:50.590 --> 02:16:54.809
happy when I made one that could have cost me

02:16:54.809 --> 02:17:02.860
a little bit. Right. Luckily, I didn't pay for

02:17:02.860 --> 02:17:11.920
it. AI should never replace professional medical

02:17:11.920 --> 02:17:19.040
guidance. So if it thought that I needed help,

02:17:19.260 --> 02:17:22.459
I would have gotten on the phone to my doctor,

02:17:22.579 --> 02:17:29.120
and I would have told him that my butt... My

02:17:29.120 --> 02:17:34.879
butt... Had a lot to say. And I haven't gotten

02:17:34.879 --> 02:17:45.180
it to quit yet. Right. Always verify health -related

02:17:45.180 --> 02:17:51.420
information with a qualified professional. But

02:17:51.420 --> 02:17:56.780
I think at the time, I followed what it said.

02:17:58.440 --> 02:18:01.079
And look where I am now. I've survived two episodes

02:18:01.079 --> 02:18:13.139
of my butt. Right. So, if I could do that with

02:18:13.139 --> 02:18:17.399
the aid of AI, even though it wasn't happy when

02:18:17.399 --> 02:18:20.700
I made one decision, although I knew not to eat

02:18:20.700 --> 02:18:22.840
a whole lot of it, and there wasn't a lot of

02:18:22.840 --> 02:18:34.020
it anyway, I'm okay. And I think because there

02:18:34.020 --> 02:18:36.540
may not be a whole lot of time to eat, I'll take

02:18:36.540 --> 02:18:40.040
a thing of crackers with me just so that I'm

02:18:40.040 --> 02:18:45.299
eating something. Because I bought two different

02:18:45.299 --> 02:18:50.120
kinds. I bought the two sleeves, the two big

02:18:50.120 --> 02:18:54.639
sleeves, and then I bought the individual packaged

02:18:54.639 --> 02:19:04.440
ones. Oh. Which Target sells under the same saltine

02:19:04.440 --> 02:19:07.940
cracker thing. And at least I'll be eating something.

02:19:08.340 --> 02:19:13.659
I'll take that instead of my candy. Right. Or

02:19:13.659 --> 02:19:23.719
granola bars. So let's talk about accessibility

02:19:23.719 --> 02:19:30.379
impact, Mr. J. Yes, I think we should. Go ahead.

02:19:32.579 --> 02:19:36.360
There is also an accessibility angle to consider.

02:19:37.540 --> 02:19:41.420
Many blind and visually impaired users rely on

02:19:41.420 --> 02:19:45.940
AI to interpret the world around them. If AI

02:19:45.940 --> 02:19:50.500
hallucinates in those situations, it can misidentify

02:19:50.500 --> 02:19:55.059
objects, misread labels, or provide incorrect

02:19:55.059 --> 02:20:03.440
environmental information. And there's been that

02:20:03.440 --> 02:20:06.079
kind of thing about a program that I really can't

02:20:06.079 --> 02:20:12.440
speak much about, but that has happened. And

02:20:12.440 --> 02:20:20.899
what might that program be offhand? I'm not sure

02:20:20.899 --> 02:20:26.639
I can really reveal it at this time. Okay. I

02:20:26.639 --> 02:20:28.920
wonder what the hell's going on across the street.

02:20:29.680 --> 02:20:31.020
I wonder that, too. Because that's where it sounds

02:20:31.020 --> 02:20:34.299
like that's coming from. Yeah, I can hear it

02:20:34.299 --> 02:20:41.639
as well. But it was providing one user who posted

02:20:41.639 --> 02:20:48.420
about it very much off information because they

02:20:48.420 --> 02:20:51.479
knew that because they were trying to use it

02:20:51.479 --> 02:20:54.360
for navigation, you know, just out of curiosity.

02:20:55.360 --> 02:20:59.799
Okay. And I think the distance they had to walk

02:20:59.799 --> 02:21:05.299
was, I think, something like 150 feet. This program,

02:21:05.540 --> 02:21:09.979
the AI aspect of it, thought that what they were

02:21:09.979 --> 02:21:11.899
looking for was 30 feet away. That's a pretty

02:21:11.899 --> 02:21:16.860
big difference. Yes. And even when I went to

02:21:16.860 --> 02:21:22.059
the UPS store, chat said it could give me the

02:21:22.059 --> 02:21:29.159
layout of the area. But where the UPS store I

02:21:29.159 --> 02:21:33.719
had to go ship my Orbit to is actually across

02:21:33.719 --> 02:21:38.200
the street from the medical building, which they

02:21:38.200 --> 02:21:41.280
were correct on. Because I actually asked somebody,

02:21:41.399 --> 02:21:45.100
I'm like, I can't find this address. And they're

02:21:45.100 --> 02:21:49.540
like, it's across the street. So I went across

02:21:49.540 --> 02:21:54.459
the street, and I had my map open. And then...

02:21:55.850 --> 02:22:00.250
I'm like, I don't know. So I told it to go to

02:22:00.250 --> 02:22:05.469
the UPS store. It was beeping at me. I'm like,

02:22:05.510 --> 02:22:09.290
okay. So I turned one direction. I crossed the

02:22:09.290 --> 02:22:15.469
crosswalk. And then it stopped. But yet, I wasn't

02:22:15.469 --> 02:22:19.950
at the UPS store. Apparently, there's a bank

02:22:19.950 --> 02:22:23.370
nearby. And the guy actually took me up the ramp

02:22:23.370 --> 02:22:26.260
and... over to the UPS store where I shipped

02:22:26.260 --> 02:22:30.680
the thing. And I was able on the way back to

02:22:30.680 --> 02:22:33.639
count, that's about a half a dozen doors or so

02:22:33.639 --> 02:22:39.139
from where I was and back to the, although I

02:22:39.139 --> 02:22:43.399
almost fell down the stairs. Uh -oh. Should have

02:22:43.399 --> 02:22:47.840
used the ramp instead. But it is what it is.

02:22:52.079 --> 02:22:54.500
And then I recognized where I was, and I went

02:22:54.500 --> 02:22:59.620
back to Victory and caught the bus back home.

02:23:02.579 --> 02:23:10.159
It said it could do that, but I wasn't trusting

02:23:10.159 --> 02:23:14.940
it, although I should have used Waymap, because

02:23:14.940 --> 02:23:17.239
I used it in one instance where all I wanted

02:23:17.239 --> 02:23:21.020
to go was to Whole Foods. And it took me from

02:23:21.020 --> 02:23:24.760
Canoga Avenue and Ventura Boulevard straight

02:23:24.760 --> 02:23:29.040
to its door. It told me exactly where to turn

02:23:29.040 --> 02:23:34.239
right before the parking lot. And it took me

02:23:34.239 --> 02:23:38.700
practically right to where the door is. Right

02:23:38.700 --> 02:23:41.920
past where all the carts sat. I should have used

02:23:41.920 --> 02:23:49.899
it instead of Apple Maps. Right. Because Apple

02:23:49.899 --> 02:23:51.840
Maps just said, here you go. And I'm like, but

02:23:51.840 --> 02:24:03.979
I don't sense what's happening here. Mm -hmm.

02:24:07.780 --> 02:24:11.780
This is not just incredible. Go ahead, Mr. J.

02:24:11.840 --> 02:24:16.739
We have the boy of pressed. We do. He must be

02:24:16.739 --> 02:24:22.899
done with his work for the day. I'm here. I think

02:24:22.899 --> 02:24:29.700
I had some AI hallucination before. Go ahead.

02:24:31.659 --> 02:24:34.479
Well, I don't know if this will count, but last

02:24:34.479 --> 02:24:37.479
year, I know when we were doing our RCL end of

02:24:37.479 --> 02:24:40.840
year special, and we were asking how many stations

02:24:40.840 --> 02:24:45.260
K -Love acquired, it said seven in 2025, but

02:24:45.260 --> 02:24:47.559
it was definitely more than that. Because the

02:24:47.559 --> 02:24:52.290
number... kept increasing almost like monthly.

02:24:52.590 --> 02:24:58.709
Well, that's not, that's misleading information

02:24:58.709 --> 02:25:04.329
based on the sheet we have. That's not necessarily

02:25:04.329 --> 02:25:09.110
a direct hallucination, but that's a good, that's

02:25:09.110 --> 02:25:20.120
a good distinction. Don't you think, Mr. J? I

02:25:20.120 --> 02:25:32.659
would agree. Yep. This is not just incorrect.

02:25:33.399 --> 02:25:39.879
It can directly impact independence and safety.

02:25:41.860 --> 02:25:47.440
Personal example. As someone who releases...

02:25:50.350 --> 02:25:54.889
Oh, no. Relize. Excuse me. It's not jumping.

02:25:54.909 --> 02:25:58.629
It's just I can't read now. Relize heavily on

02:25:58.629 --> 02:26:04.409
accessible technology. I already depend on tools

02:26:04.409 --> 02:26:09.790
working correctly. If an AI system provides incorrect

02:26:09.790 --> 02:26:13.930
information in that context, it is not just a

02:26:13.930 --> 02:26:19.770
minor issue. It can affect decision -making efficiency.

02:26:19.739 --> 02:26:29.319
in real time. Now, before we go into segment

02:26:29.319 --> 02:26:38.139
eight, since Mr. G is here, anything between

02:26:38.139 --> 02:26:43.840
segments two and seven that you would like to

02:26:43.840 --> 02:26:49.989
talk about? You had a right idea on... K -Love

02:26:49.989 --> 02:27:00.329
7 versus 50. That's a big problem. Right. Also,

02:27:00.790 --> 02:27:09.829
what we gathered for accessibility, that can

02:27:09.829 --> 02:27:14.190
be a factor, so I thought that was agreeable.

02:27:22.379 --> 02:27:28.219
Okay. And I think to number pretty much around

02:27:28.219 --> 02:27:35.040
two, three, five, and six, and maybe four can

02:27:35.040 --> 02:27:41.079
definitely be relatable. In its own method. In

02:27:41.079 --> 02:27:44.120
its own right. In its own right. We just got

02:27:44.120 --> 02:27:50.799
to watch for our P's and Q's. P's and Q's? What

02:27:50.799 --> 02:27:55.379
do you think, Mr. J., before we start wrapping

02:27:55.379 --> 02:28:06.760
this up? I mean, I would have to agree, and it's

02:28:06.760 --> 02:28:10.079
something we've come back to many, many times

02:28:10.079 --> 02:28:14.000
already throughout the program today. You know,

02:28:14.059 --> 02:28:20.309
we always should... If... There is any doubt.

02:28:23.989 --> 02:28:26.090
Independently verify, you know, is this correct?

02:28:28.850 --> 02:28:38.909
Yes. That's, oh, my bad. But yeah, I definitely

02:28:38.909 --> 02:28:42.709
agree. It's always good to fact check things

02:28:42.709 --> 02:28:49.350
and verify what you're supposed to be. analyzing

02:28:49.350 --> 02:28:54.229
or prevailing. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if

02:28:54.229 --> 02:28:58.549
you heard earlier, but we had a geography example

02:28:58.549 --> 02:29:08.870
of that. Where I was asking, yes, where I was

02:29:08.870 --> 02:29:12.690
asking chat GPT, and granted, part of it was

02:29:12.690 --> 02:29:14.989
actually my fault, because it was, now that I'm

02:29:14.989 --> 02:29:18.479
thinking about it, a very vague question. Because

02:29:18.479 --> 02:29:21.719
what I asked it was, what does the Conejo grade

02:29:21.719 --> 02:29:24.879
separate? And that could mean a lot of things.

02:29:26.500 --> 02:29:31.639
Yeah. Message on message. That will not be good.

02:29:32.459 --> 02:29:37.340
Well, I mean, it was more out of curiosity. It

02:29:37.340 --> 02:29:40.120
wasn't, you know, for any kind of research or

02:29:40.120 --> 02:29:43.860
anything important. I was just more curious.

02:29:47.239 --> 02:29:51.479
had it in a slightly geographically incorrect

02:29:51.479 --> 02:29:55.040
area, because it placed it more into the San

02:29:55.040 --> 02:29:57.659
Fernando Valley, and it's like, no, it's not

02:29:57.659 --> 02:30:05.420
really there. Yeah. Even with my geography, I

02:30:05.420 --> 02:30:08.479
kind of understood that the Conejo grade was

02:30:08.479 --> 02:30:15.299
not over here. No, it's close to you, but not

02:30:15.299 --> 02:30:21.370
that close. But that's why I pleaded the fifth.

02:30:22.090 --> 02:30:24.430
That's why I pleaded the fifth. Because my geography

02:30:24.430 --> 02:30:35.750
is awful. And I know that. Well... It wasn't

02:30:35.750 --> 02:30:38.870
a struggle in school, but I did pass. So I can

02:30:38.870 --> 02:30:45.770
relate. I passed, but... I haven't looked at

02:30:45.770 --> 02:30:50.760
a map in 20 years. At that point, you're also

02:30:50.760 --> 02:30:56.479
out of Metro's area, so there's that, too. Yeah.

02:30:56.620 --> 02:31:01.579
Who? Well, I'm past Metro's service area. Once

02:31:01.579 --> 02:31:07.000
we get down to, let's see, the 161 goes to Westlake

02:31:07.000 --> 02:31:13.340
Village, I believe it is. Mm -hmm. And that's

02:31:13.340 --> 02:31:19.479
where it terminates. I think that's as far as

02:31:19.479 --> 02:31:23.819
we go is Westlake Village. That would make sense

02:31:23.819 --> 02:31:27.680
because I think that's the very last town as

02:31:27.680 --> 02:31:31.479
you're heading west in L .A. County. I believe.

02:31:38.020 --> 02:31:42.020
Because I know it goes past the restaurant that

02:31:42.020 --> 02:31:46.399
I've eaten at called King's Fish House. Never

02:31:46.399 --> 02:31:51.819
heard of it. Which is west of here. I'm sure

02:31:51.819 --> 02:31:57.360
it's good. It's good. Lots of choice. Expensive.

02:31:58.000 --> 02:32:26.020
But good. I would think, because if you go past

02:32:26.020 --> 02:32:27.959
that, you're in Ventura County when you're in

02:32:27.959 --> 02:32:32.059
Thousand Oaks. Well, it goes into Thousand...

02:32:32.059 --> 02:32:49.780
Wait. Where is said telephone? We're going to

02:32:49.780 --> 02:33:02.450
do this on the air, everybody. Okay. Okay, so

02:33:02.450 --> 02:33:10.629
let's switch it. So it goes to Thousand Oaks

02:33:10.629 --> 02:33:13.850
Transportation Center. Oh, it does. Okay. Interesting.

02:33:16.450 --> 02:33:19.329
Which I find odd because you're no longer in

02:33:19.329 --> 02:33:22.139
L .A. County at that point. But I... I think

02:33:22.139 --> 02:33:27.860
they're people that come in from there. Ah. That

02:33:27.860 --> 02:33:33.159
come into the valley. Well, that would make sense

02:33:33.159 --> 02:33:36.479
because Thousand Oaks is really close to the

02:33:36.479 --> 02:33:38.719
valley. So, yeah, that makes sense. Now let's

02:33:38.719 --> 02:33:54.399
see. So it goes west of... Topanga. And then

02:33:54.399 --> 02:34:00.180
it turns on Fallbrook Avenue. Okay. Goes down

02:34:00.180 --> 02:34:04.440
a street called Avenue San Luis, which is near,

02:34:04.600 --> 02:34:13.399
which used to be near me. When DeSoto turns into

02:34:13.399 --> 02:34:16.559
Serenia. So Avenue San Luis is one of these small

02:34:16.559 --> 02:34:25.379
side streets. Right. Then it goes into Calabasas

02:34:25.379 --> 02:34:33.059
where King's Fish House is. Ah, okay. 62. Bottom

02:34:33.059 --> 02:34:38.700
of the seventh inning. Park Granada. Parkway

02:34:38.700 --> 02:34:47.959
Calabasas. Oh, yeah. Las Virginas. Yeah, that's

02:34:47.959 --> 02:34:56.879
way at the fringes of L .A. County. Agora, Las

02:34:56.879 --> 02:35:01.600
Virginas. Yeah, you're... That's like the Agora

02:35:01.600 --> 02:35:04.059
Hills area, I think. So, yeah, you're pretty

02:35:04.059 --> 02:35:08.219
much... I mean, aside from Westlake Village,

02:35:08.299 --> 02:35:16.950
you're almost out of L .A. County. Is that saying

02:35:16.950 --> 02:35:21.489
cheese bro or jessa bro? What is this? Oh, I

02:35:21.489 --> 02:35:28.309
always thought it was cheese bro. Oh, jeez. No,

02:35:28.409 --> 02:35:35.790
I heard someone actually give the correct pronunciation.

02:35:35.809 --> 02:35:40.110
I think it's chess bro. This is either chess

02:35:40.110 --> 02:35:44.709
bro or cheese bro. One of the two. I used to

02:35:44.709 --> 02:35:46.879
make... I know the one you're talking about.

02:35:46.959 --> 02:35:57.700
Yeah, the freeway exit. Now I don't even know

02:35:57.700 --> 02:36:07.680
where we are. What was that one? Roadside. You're

02:36:07.680 --> 02:36:17.229
pretty much at the edge of L .A. County. Thousand

02:36:17.229 --> 02:36:23.450
Oaks is a street? Okay. Well, Thousand Oaks Boulevard,

02:36:23.530 --> 02:36:34.850
probably. Okay. Reyes Adobe. Oh, no, that's...

02:36:34.850 --> 02:36:42.110
No, you're still in L .A. at that point. Lindero

02:36:42.110 --> 02:36:47.610
Canyon. That's the last one in L .A. County,

02:36:47.729 --> 02:37:01.850
I believe. Lake... View Canyon. That I've never

02:37:01.850 --> 02:37:13.530
heard of. Agora Lakeview Canyon. Hmm. West Lake.

02:37:15.190 --> 02:37:22.889
Oh, yeah. Thousand Oaks again. Okay, then there

02:37:22.889 --> 02:37:33.930
must be a different street. Hmm. Keneho School.

02:37:36.430 --> 02:37:38.770
Oh, yeah, you're well into Thousand Oaks by then.

02:37:39.629 --> 02:37:58.639
Sounds like it. Wow. Okay. So, 30 minutes from

02:37:58.639 --> 02:38:02.319
now, if I were to pick it up, to write it, it's

02:38:02.319 --> 02:38:05.920
probably like two hours. What was the last stop?

02:38:06.219 --> 02:38:29.379
15... 30? So we're looking about 2 .15 as a pickup.

02:38:30.819 --> 02:38:34.280
Right. And 3 .30 to get down there. So it'll

02:38:34.280 --> 02:38:38.159
be about an hour and a half. Right. 15 minutes.

02:38:38.579 --> 02:38:44.309
Oh, boy. From here. It's going to be a long night

02:38:44.309 --> 02:38:49.729
for Jared again. Oh boy. But if you were driving

02:38:49.729 --> 02:38:53.649
it by car... No, he's not going there tonight.

02:38:53.969 --> 02:38:59.489
I'm going into Van Nuys tonight. Yeah, I know.

02:38:59.690 --> 02:39:02.389
That's what I was saying. Yeah, this is the other

02:39:02.389 --> 02:39:05.590
direction. This is the other direction. This

02:39:05.590 --> 02:39:13.799
is west. This is southwest. This is west -southwest.

02:39:15.139 --> 02:39:18.280
Yeah, yeah. Because when you go down Fallbrook,

02:39:18.280 --> 02:39:25.200
you're actually going southbound. That's more

02:39:25.200 --> 02:39:31.159
in the Northridge area, I thought, though. Yeah.

02:39:33.420 --> 02:39:43.270
No, that's the 162. Or the 152. That picks you

02:39:43.270 --> 02:39:46.750
up at Fallbrook Adventure Boulevard and it goes

02:39:46.750 --> 02:40:12.680
down Roscoe Boulevard. Let's take a file break,

02:40:12.739 --> 02:40:15.100
and when we come back, if I don't lose my headset,

02:40:15.319 --> 02:40:20.819
we're going to cover item eight. I'm about to

02:40:20.819 --> 02:40:29.299
lose my headset. I'm all tangled up, folks. Got

02:40:29.299 --> 02:40:32.860
to figure out how I got my arms tangled up in

02:40:32.860 --> 02:40:36.239
here. Oh, here we go. When we come back, we're

02:40:36.239 --> 02:40:38.659
going to read item number eight, and then we're

02:40:38.659 --> 02:40:40.989
going to do some errata. And we're going to talk

02:40:40.989 --> 02:40:46.590
about something that we talked about last Saturday.

02:40:49.770 --> 02:40:53.829
Oh, yes. That still... If you haven't already,

02:40:54.010 --> 02:40:59.030
folks, take notes. I think needs to be put out

02:40:59.030 --> 02:41:02.090
there because throwback doesn't really have the

02:41:02.090 --> 02:41:08.739
audience that I do. No offense. Right. and folks

02:41:08.739 --> 02:41:12.200
no matter where you're residing if you're starting

02:41:12.200 --> 02:41:14.639
out on your own like me or anything like that

02:41:14.639 --> 02:41:21.420
this could potentially happen to you so right

02:41:21.420 --> 02:41:26.540
so that's why we are gonna cover it so hold hold

02:41:26.540 --> 02:41:29.799
your hold your drinks and snacks and strap yourselves

02:41:29.799 --> 02:41:40.209
in oh nice harley nice nice And I'm living outside.

02:41:41.670 --> 02:41:46.389
We'll continue in just a moment across the Jared

02:41:46.389 --> 02:41:54.110
Reimer Radio Network. Radio Network. The Security

02:41:54.110 --> 02:42:11.299
Bomb. Folks, we're trucking right along. Preston

02:42:11.299 --> 02:42:15.079
Gaylor's here. Nicholas Jackson. Jared Reimer.

02:42:16.440 --> 02:42:24.739
TSB270. Hope everybody's doing well. I think

02:42:24.739 --> 02:42:28.940
what we're going to do is we're going to finish

02:42:28.940 --> 02:42:38.659
up the current topic. AI and hallucinations.

02:42:41.440 --> 02:42:48.799
And then... I'm gonna get into... Some... Errata.

02:42:50.000 --> 02:42:57.840
And some of this... Is gonna make you... Go holy

02:42:57.840 --> 02:43:19.260
shit. Yes. Pretty much. So, we're on our last

02:43:19.260 --> 02:43:21.440
page by the looks of this. And yes, I'm using

02:43:21.440 --> 02:43:28.840
the same file as you guys are today. And that

02:43:28.840 --> 02:43:31.920
will be the foreseeable future until my 40 comes

02:43:31.920 --> 02:43:37.559
back. And I see I forgot to take out our dashes,

02:43:37.559 --> 02:43:49.409
but that's okay. Segment 8. Final thoughts. AI

02:43:49.409 --> 02:43:56.889
is a powerful tool, but it's not perfect. Hallucinations

02:43:56.889 --> 02:44:03.909
are not a bug that can simply be removed. They

02:44:03.909 --> 02:44:07.969
are part of how these systems currently work.

02:44:09.250 --> 02:44:12.729
Now, I guess before... one of us continues, because

02:44:12.729 --> 02:44:15.329
this thing is known to jump, but I'm not jumping

02:44:15.329 --> 02:44:22.049
at the moment. Do you think that those who program

02:44:22.049 --> 02:44:26.809
these things, whatever it might be, ChatGPT,

02:44:26.930 --> 02:44:33.510
Claude, whatever, do you think that we can program

02:44:33.510 --> 02:44:38.430
it to a point where if it's not sure, it just

02:44:38.430 --> 02:44:42.819
flat out won't tell you. It'll just say, I don't

02:44:42.819 --> 02:44:47.500
know. I don't have that data. Prop me some other

02:44:47.500 --> 02:44:57.139
way. Possibly, but I'm not sure how confident

02:44:57.139 --> 02:45:04.200
I am in that. I like the but. Yes. Yeah. Totally

02:45:04.200 --> 02:45:08.549
possibly. You have to Take into account every

02:45:08.549 --> 02:45:11.170
single way that somebody could ask a question

02:45:11.170 --> 02:45:13.829
and every possible question that somebody can

02:45:13.829 --> 02:45:18.049
ask. So I don't know that that's possible, really.

02:45:18.129 --> 02:45:20.530
I thought I put it out there. I'm not saying

02:45:20.530 --> 02:45:22.110
you're right and I'm not saying you're wrong.

02:45:22.209 --> 02:45:24.909
I'm putting it out there. I mean, it would be

02:45:24.909 --> 02:45:29.870
interesting. Could this be solved? Short answer,

02:45:29.989 --> 02:45:41.149
in my view, no. No. Okay. Because there are always

02:45:41.149 --> 02:45:43.329
going to be people who ask really weird, vague

02:45:43.329 --> 02:45:50.670
shit. Like? Oh, I could just imagine somebody

02:45:50.670 --> 02:45:58.430
asking something like, you know, like something

02:45:58.430 --> 02:46:04.370
about blue lines in a field somewhere. Right.

02:46:04.510 --> 02:46:09.209
Yeah. that's totally weird and there's really

02:46:09.209 --> 02:46:12.030
no information about it. It's like, except for

02:46:12.030 --> 02:46:16.649
maybe one source that posted it 20 years ago.

02:46:17.030 --> 02:46:20.989
Right. That most, uh, most models know nothing

02:46:20.989 --> 02:46:25.809
about because they weren't trained on it. Well,

02:46:25.950 --> 02:46:29.290
even when I was working on jaredreimer .com and

02:46:29.290 --> 02:46:34.510
it broke my script. Oh, that broke. Oh gosh.

02:46:35.530 --> 02:46:40.569
It broke my script that I've been using for email,

02:46:40.729 --> 02:46:54.649
not authentication, but email hiding for years.

02:46:55.610 --> 02:47:01.129
And this was a script that I got many years ago.

02:47:02.619 --> 02:47:08.799
And it was able to figure out what broke. Well,

02:47:08.840 --> 02:47:12.680
part of it was that I didn't... First of all,

02:47:12.700 --> 02:47:16.340
I was missing the script tags. That was part

02:47:16.340 --> 02:47:19.600
of the problem. And then it was, maybe it doesn't

02:47:19.600 --> 02:47:23.200
understand what I did because it has to be written

02:47:23.200 --> 02:47:27.379
this way. So it gave me my original script back,

02:47:27.579 --> 02:47:33.479
which I saved somewhere. Because I was doing

02:47:33.479 --> 02:47:36.139
a lot of rewriting of JaredReimer .com yesterday.

02:47:39.780 --> 02:47:43.420
Which was supposed to be an hour or two turned

02:47:43.420 --> 02:47:47.200
into a half a day. And I'm not done with everything

02:47:47.200 --> 02:47:49.120
yet. I have to go through the rest of the website

02:47:49.120 --> 02:47:53.739
and go through and make sure that it's making

02:47:53.739 --> 02:47:57.920
sense. And it did fix my meta tag description.

02:47:58.079 --> 02:48:02.370
Thank you very much. It went into my code and

02:48:02.370 --> 02:48:05.590
fixed the meta tag description. Well, I had to

02:48:05.590 --> 02:48:10.350
go put it in place, but it rewrote my description

02:48:10.350 --> 02:48:17.969
of the website. Understanding this is critical.

02:48:19.129 --> 02:48:25.450
If you trust AI too much, you increase your risk.

02:48:26.809 --> 02:48:35.239
Now, who thinks I trust it too much? Based on

02:48:35.239 --> 02:48:42.579
my work. I mean, you're leaning into it more

02:48:42.579 --> 02:48:48.219
maybe than you did before, but I wouldn't say

02:48:48.219 --> 02:48:56.159
overly trusting it. I like your thinking. Because

02:48:56.159 --> 02:49:00.760
I'm using it to analyze my data so it can help

02:49:00.760 --> 02:49:05.620
me write reports. Even though the report I wrote,

02:49:05.739 --> 02:49:13.600
I did change some things. And I added a few words

02:49:13.600 --> 02:49:21.840
here and there to make it my own. And it has

02:49:21.840 --> 02:49:26.159
assisted in part. I don't know. I'm going to

02:49:26.159 --> 02:49:28.319
be honest with you all. I don't know much about

02:49:28.319 --> 02:49:33.409
this. So I have to use it to help me. with what

02:49:33.409 --> 02:49:36.469
might be the issues are. And then, of course,

02:49:36.510 --> 02:49:40.790
we can formalize our own opinions on the thing,

02:49:40.809 --> 02:49:45.809
which is what we've done. Yeah. Yep. It just

02:49:45.809 --> 02:49:51.309
gave me an outline, which we put together. Unfortunately,

02:49:51.829 --> 02:49:55.750
it was last minute because of how busy I've been.

02:49:56.590 --> 02:50:05.690
But... The last several podcasts, I have and

02:50:05.690 --> 02:50:09.950
we have rewritten it and made it our own. But

02:50:09.950 --> 02:50:14.110
it has assisted. There's a complete difference.

02:50:18.370 --> 02:50:21.010
I could give it some thoughts of mine and say,

02:50:21.110 --> 02:50:26.709
email Joe and I want to tell him this. And it

02:50:26.709 --> 02:50:31.299
will compose an email, which I'll review. Before

02:50:31.299 --> 02:50:36.739
I push the button to send it. If I don't like

02:50:36.739 --> 02:50:42.819
it, I'll tell it, I don't want this. Or, when

02:50:42.819 --> 02:50:46.799
I wrote the report, it said, I can make it board

02:50:46.799 --> 02:50:49.219
level and I can make it operations level. And

02:50:49.219 --> 02:50:52.120
I'm like, I don't know, should I send this to

02:50:52.120 --> 02:51:04.260
the board? Right? So, I'm not saying I'm leaning

02:51:04.260 --> 02:51:08.620
into it. I think I'm using it more as an assistant.

02:51:09.559 --> 02:51:15.500
Like, help me do this. Right. But I still have

02:51:15.500 --> 02:51:20.280
to make the decisions. Yes, I'll send it as it

02:51:20.280 --> 02:51:24.579
wrote it. No, I better copy this and rewrite

02:51:24.579 --> 02:51:34.870
it. And I've done that. But I think that's the

02:51:34.870 --> 02:51:41.090
responsible way to use it. What do you guys think?

02:51:42.989 --> 02:51:58.809
Yeah, I would definitely think so. So I don't

02:51:58.809 --> 02:52:06.760
know if I don't know if I'm Overly using it?

02:52:06.819 --> 02:52:09.940
I mean, it needed data so that it could tell

02:52:09.940 --> 02:52:19.159
me what my numbers are looking like. No, I don't

02:52:19.159 --> 02:52:29.620
think overly using. Okay, what about you, Preston?

02:52:32.399 --> 02:52:34.680
I was talking to it about something, and then

02:52:34.680 --> 02:52:38.940
I had it send you an email about it, and it wrote

02:52:38.940 --> 02:52:42.819
you a nice -looking email. Yeah, and I was going

02:52:42.819 --> 02:52:49.059
to say, you can use that to, you know, perfect

02:52:49.059 --> 02:52:51.899
it, and that way it'll save some time and be

02:52:51.899 --> 02:52:57.399
more illiterate. So I think... It's not illiterate.

02:52:57.879 --> 02:53:04.350
It's literate. Illiterate means you cannot. Okay,

02:53:04.350 --> 02:53:11.309
sorry. I meant it'll be literate so that way

02:53:11.309 --> 02:53:13.829
you can understand and you can comprehend what

02:53:13.829 --> 02:53:18.909
you're getting from that text. It actually went

02:53:18.909 --> 02:53:22.870
through the homepage and corrected my grammar

02:53:22.870 --> 02:53:29.010
and my, you know, it should say when here, not

02:53:29.010 --> 02:53:33.040
where. It should, you know. This doesn't make

02:53:33.040 --> 02:53:40.860
sense. Or... Right, so it analyzed it, and it

02:53:40.860 --> 02:53:43.139
knew what I meant. Like, this was part of...

02:53:43.139 --> 02:53:45.899
And then I sort of, while I was looking at all

02:53:45.899 --> 02:53:48.479
of these things it wanted me to fix, I'm like,

02:53:48.620 --> 02:53:51.659
how come my beta testers didn't find any of this?

02:53:53.079 --> 02:53:56.940
My beta testers found the telephone number problem.

02:53:58.340 --> 02:54:03.139
Right. But when you go onto the homepage now,

02:54:03.399 --> 02:54:07.040
you'll practically find a lot of it rewritten.

02:54:14.040 --> 02:54:16.979
Yes. Because it understands grammar and structure.

02:54:17.879 --> 02:54:21.920
And the thing that broke was my... I asked it

02:54:21.920 --> 02:54:26.079
about specifically my copyright notice. So it

02:54:26.079 --> 02:54:29.680
helped me do that. And so that whole section

02:54:29.680 --> 02:54:36.760
sort of got a makeover. Then, at the time, when

02:54:36.760 --> 02:54:40.260
it analyzed the website page, it basically told

02:54:40.260 --> 02:54:48.459
me about spelling corrections. But then, when

02:54:48.459 --> 02:54:52.780
I fed it the page, it was grammar this, spelling

02:54:52.780 --> 02:54:57.549
that, this word here, and I'm like, ugh. This

02:54:57.549 --> 02:54:59.569
is going to take half my day and I still got

02:54:59.569 --> 02:55:12.430
podcast 270 to do. Yeah. Holy moly. Holy moly.

02:55:23.370 --> 02:55:25.670
I would say using that for the assistance is

02:55:25.670 --> 02:55:29.389
valuable so that we can catch what, you know,

02:55:29.409 --> 02:55:33.950
you might have missed. Or, because I know what

02:55:33.950 --> 02:55:37.409
I'm trying to say, I don't recognize these things.

02:55:41.030 --> 02:55:42.649
Because that's what it was saying. It's like,

02:55:42.729 --> 02:55:45.049
you know what you meant, so your brain doesn't

02:55:45.049 --> 02:55:48.790
interpret it as wrong. Because it's like, you

02:55:48.790 --> 02:55:50.989
should go through it and you should do this and

02:55:50.989 --> 02:55:53.530
you should do that. And I'm like... I did use

02:55:53.530 --> 02:55:57.489
a reader and read through it. I used JAWS and

02:55:57.489 --> 02:56:05.049
read through it and it sounded fine to me. But

02:56:05.049 --> 02:56:14.889
then when it read it, I was like, oh. I guess

02:56:14.889 --> 02:56:24.069
so. If you do not trust it at all, you lose its

02:56:24.069 --> 02:56:30.889
benefits. Oh, yes. The goal? What's that? Yes,

02:56:30.889 --> 02:56:38.049
I definitely agree with that. Because if you

02:56:38.049 --> 02:56:40.090
don't trust it, you can't really use it as a

02:56:40.090 --> 02:56:44.329
tool, obviously, and you can't really log or

02:56:44.329 --> 02:57:02.250
get your personal assistant. I haven't used it

02:57:02.250 --> 02:57:13.129
at all today, actually. The goal is to use it

02:57:13.129 --> 02:57:19.629
wisely. Who thinks... Well, first let me finish

02:57:19.629 --> 02:57:23.229
this paragraph. Treat it as a tool that can assist

02:57:23.229 --> 02:57:33.329
you, but not replace... Your judgment. Who thinks

02:57:33.329 --> 02:57:40.950
I'm doing that? Well, I mean, you are using it

02:57:40.950 --> 02:57:45.670
for what it is, but you're still basically judging

02:57:45.670 --> 02:57:50.110
based on your own senses and where to go next.

02:57:50.629 --> 02:57:52.989
You're the one who's ultimately making the decisions.

02:57:54.290 --> 02:57:59.149
Yes. That's crazy what I was trying to say. Correct.

02:58:01.829 --> 02:58:08.909
That goes back to my butt. Right. It gave me

02:58:08.909 --> 02:58:17.350
advice. And I made my own decisions. And I don't

02:58:17.350 --> 02:58:20.530
know why, but I was so interested in Chesbro

02:58:20.530 --> 02:58:25.739
Road that while we were talking about this, I

02:58:25.739 --> 02:58:30.219
just kind of glanced curiously at the AI overview,

02:58:30.500 --> 02:58:34.360
speaking of AI, that Google gave me. I don't

02:58:34.360 --> 02:58:38.159
know why anybody would really stop there, quite

02:58:38.159 --> 02:58:44.940
frankly, because there's no major, at least from

02:58:44.940 --> 02:58:48.780
what I can see, landmark or there's no event

02:58:48.780 --> 02:58:52.840
center there. It's essentially a place where

02:58:52.840 --> 02:58:58.659
you can go. If you want to, you know, start a

02:58:58.659 --> 02:59:01.219
hike in the Santa Monica Mountains, or if you

02:59:01.219 --> 02:59:05.280
want to go to the historic, I've never heard

02:59:05.280 --> 02:59:09.260
of this, so maybe I might look this up, but the

02:59:09.260 --> 02:59:12.719
historic Morrison Ranch House. It's like, okay.

02:59:14.299 --> 02:59:22.819
Yeah. My thoughts exactly. It's like, yes, I'm

02:59:22.819 --> 02:59:32.719
not getting off at Chessbro. Yeah, you're well

02:59:32.719 --> 02:59:50.540
into Agora Hills by that point. wants to read

02:59:50.540 --> 03:00:00.639
Closing on the bottom of the page. I can. Go

03:00:00.639 --> 03:00:07.879
ahead. Closing. That's Podcast 270 of the Security

03:00:07.879 --> 03:00:13.000
Box. As always, stay informed, stay aware, and

03:00:13.000 --> 03:00:24.379
stay secure. End of notes. So that's a wrap on

03:00:24.379 --> 03:00:31.219
AI. Uh -huh. Uh -huh. Yep. That's right. But

03:00:31.219 --> 03:00:38.440
remember, always be careful and make sure you

03:00:38.440 --> 03:00:43.600
use your tools wisely. So do you guys think I'm

03:00:43.600 --> 03:00:46.840
using this wisely? I mean, it came up with these

03:00:46.840 --> 03:00:52.059
ideas based on my conversations with it. I think

03:00:52.059 --> 03:00:55.540
so, because you easily could have said, no, I

03:00:55.540 --> 03:00:57.379
don't want to talk about that, or no, let's not

03:00:57.379 --> 03:01:04.000
discuss that. So, yes, I think so. Yeah, I believe

03:01:04.000 --> 03:01:07.559
so as well, because, you know, it knows your

03:01:07.559 --> 03:01:12.809
routine, it knows your structure. And it's aware

03:01:12.809 --> 03:01:17.770
of what your duties and responsibilities are

03:01:17.770 --> 03:01:24.170
across the business and Metro and other entities.

03:01:24.489 --> 03:01:27.989
So I feel it's... Well, remember, I had to train

03:01:27.989 --> 03:01:32.270
it on all of that. So it knew what I was doing

03:01:32.270 --> 03:01:36.129
and how it could help me. And I did that when

03:01:36.129 --> 03:02:03.100
I was sick. Yeah. So... I don't know why this

03:02:03.100 --> 03:02:15.889
still annoys me. But... week more specifically

03:02:15.889 --> 03:02:27.250
last Sunday I went all the way into Long Beach

03:02:27.250 --> 03:02:36.010
not because I wanted to although those are just

03:02:36.010 --> 03:02:43.389
nice relaxing trips But I wasn't going to go

03:02:43.389 --> 03:02:47.090
meditate down at the Queen Mary for an hour.

03:02:49.010 --> 03:02:56.629
Which I used to do many years ago. I actually

03:02:56.629 --> 03:03:09.459
went to a specific place for a memorial. Of a

03:03:09.459 --> 03:03:13.280
gentleman who passed away three months to the

03:03:13.280 --> 03:03:27.559
day of that memorial date. Oh, yes. And he was

03:03:27.559 --> 03:03:36.719
for sure a good man. The service itself was great.

03:03:39.690 --> 03:03:42.969
The people were friendly. I handed them a couple

03:03:42.969 --> 03:03:44.770
of hundred dollars. I said, don't worry about

03:03:44.770 --> 03:03:51.010
the receipt. Just keep the money. I already knew

03:03:51.010 --> 03:03:55.489
they needed accessibility work because I was

03:03:55.489 --> 03:04:03.649
using the same tool to figure out what the best

03:04:03.649 --> 03:04:06.870
route for me to go through was to get there.

03:04:07.309 --> 03:04:12.440
7th Street. Or Union, based on the A -line alignment,

03:04:12.620 --> 03:04:18.100
the issues at 7th Street, and other issues that

03:04:18.100 --> 03:04:23.260
I just didn't really have time to deal with then.

03:04:24.100 --> 03:04:32.379
Yeah. So it assists, between Joe and it, it was

03:04:32.379 --> 03:04:36.000
assisting me with that, because it... I was telling

03:04:36.000 --> 03:04:38.760
it what I needed, and then I told it to write

03:04:38.760 --> 03:04:51.940
Joe an email, which I read. And it gave me a

03:04:51.940 --> 03:04:55.260
couple of versions, and I picked one and read

03:04:55.260 --> 03:05:02.430
it. And when I told it, give me an email button

03:05:02.430 --> 03:05:05.510
for this one, then it gave me the button and

03:05:05.510 --> 03:05:10.409
I sent it off. And Joe was able to give me a

03:05:10.409 --> 03:05:19.309
hand, although there were some issues. But while

03:05:19.309 --> 03:05:27.129
I was there, these two people were having a civil.

03:05:34.320 --> 03:05:45.700
But I was just amazed about what was happening

03:05:45.700 --> 03:06:01.549
in the field of people who are and work at companies

03:06:01.549 --> 03:06:08.610
to assist people with disabilities in day -to

03:06:08.610 --> 03:06:18.530
-day living tasks. Yes. I forget the actual term

03:06:18.530 --> 03:06:22.930
that's used for these companies now. Direct support.

03:06:24.010 --> 03:06:30.540
Oh, I have a... A local judge who was a direct

03:06:30.540 --> 03:06:37.260
support professional? Maybe? Something like that?

03:06:39.620 --> 03:06:44.239
Or support service? Something like that. Well,

03:06:44.280 --> 03:06:47.319
I know some of what they do is IHSS, which is

03:06:47.319 --> 03:06:52.379
In -Home Support Services. Oh, yeah. That includes

03:06:52.379 --> 03:06:59.600
cleaning and... But I know that there are companies

03:06:59.600 --> 03:07:02.920
that specialize in these, but I don't know if

03:07:02.920 --> 03:07:08.819
they're known as IHSS providers or what, because

03:07:08.819 --> 03:07:10.899
each state's going to call it something else.

03:07:12.479 --> 03:07:16.420
Yeah, you're speaking my language because I had

03:07:16.420 --> 03:07:19.899
to learn all the waivers for our state. So, you're

03:07:19.899 --> 03:07:24.340
speaking my language. I'm speaking... I'm speaking

03:07:24.340 --> 03:07:29.739
Preston's language, ladies and gents. Unfortunately,

03:07:30.559 --> 03:07:42.000
it's still English. I'm going to say this very

03:07:42.000 --> 03:07:53.170
carefully. There are great... people out there

03:07:53.170 --> 03:08:00.489
I know one who actually does do their job who

03:08:00.489 --> 03:08:04.329
worked at a company I was with but on the side

03:08:04.329 --> 03:08:27.219
they do this job and It's not easy. Some of your

03:08:27.219 --> 03:08:46.239
clientele are very particular. Oh, yes. They

03:08:46.239 --> 03:08:50.500
can be. And sometimes the hours and tasks can

03:08:50.500 --> 03:08:55.600
be daunting. But at the end of the day, it's

03:08:55.600 --> 03:09:07.780
rewarding. Now, I know of one person on the phone

03:09:07.780 --> 03:09:15.260
lines who will not be named, mind you, that have

03:09:15.260 --> 03:09:18.940
probably gone... Through so many of these people,

03:09:19.100 --> 03:09:25.139
because of whatever their needs are, and they're

03:09:25.139 --> 03:09:29.940
claiming that they aren't doing what they're

03:09:29.940 --> 03:09:31.799
supposed to do. Now, whether that's the truth

03:09:31.799 --> 03:09:38.180
or not, I don't know. But I don't know how the

03:09:38.180 --> 03:09:48.020
company is able to deal with them. Now, with

03:09:48.020 --> 03:09:54.659
that said, there are different levels of support.

03:09:56.780 --> 03:10:00.979
There's the IHSS worker who comes in and provides

03:10:00.979 --> 03:10:04.780
support like mine does. They go to the store.

03:10:04.979 --> 03:10:08.659
They might take your card to the bank and go

03:10:08.659 --> 03:10:15.450
get you some cash. Or they'll take you... Somewhere,

03:10:15.469 --> 03:10:19.270
like, when I needed help with the computer, he

03:10:19.270 --> 03:10:23.649
came on a Friday and helped me by unhooking everything

03:10:23.649 --> 03:10:41.930
and taking me and it to the store. And they got

03:10:41.930 --> 03:10:46.379
paid for that because... regional center here

03:10:46.379 --> 03:10:49.700
in LA County pays for that and they keep asking

03:10:49.700 --> 03:10:55.559
me, do I want to change my hours? No. Because

03:10:55.559 --> 03:10:59.899
if something comes up, they're not going to get

03:10:59.899 --> 03:11:02.280
paid for that. I'm not going to account for something

03:11:02.280 --> 03:11:05.020
they're not getting paid for. I'd rather have

03:11:05.020 --> 03:11:09.479
too many hours than not enough. And getting more

03:11:09.479 --> 03:11:18.069
hours is... not something that's easily granted.

03:11:19.770 --> 03:11:23.889
No. And technically, in this case, you are basically

03:11:23.889 --> 03:11:30.129
your own managing employee, so you can, you know,

03:11:30.190 --> 03:11:39.090
set those hours and leave them intact. But there's

03:11:39.090 --> 03:11:43.200
also another set. And this is where this story

03:11:43.200 --> 03:11:46.379
comes in. And I don't blame Nick if he decided

03:11:46.379 --> 03:11:53.079
to disappear. I'm here. Okay. But I thought for

03:11:53.079 --> 03:11:56.180
this podcast, I would lay out some of how this

03:11:56.180 --> 03:11:59.959
works. Actually, I got caught in a very interesting

03:11:59.959 --> 03:12:02.819
phone call with somebody we've talked about.

03:12:02.899 --> 03:12:08.059
And I can mention it off air. Oh. Okay. Uh -oh.

03:12:08.059 --> 03:12:23.739
Yes. Uh -oh. So, there's another type of support,

03:12:23.979 --> 03:12:27.959
which is called 24 -hour care. You don't have

03:12:27.959 --> 03:12:41.360
family. You're not necessarily in a state where

03:12:41.360 --> 03:12:52.200
you can't do everything. But there are some things

03:12:52.200 --> 03:12:59.620
you need help with because of other disabilities.

03:13:02.219 --> 03:13:10.079
Maybe that's the best way to explain this. Because

03:13:10.079 --> 03:13:15.979
one of my people can't use their hands at all.

03:13:18.360 --> 03:13:28.879
Right. They're in a wheelchair. But they cannot

03:13:28.879 --> 03:13:33.219
use their hands. They're basically paralyzed

03:13:33.219 --> 03:13:39.040
from the... What did they tell me? The shoulder's

03:13:39.040 --> 03:13:57.559
down? Oh, yeah. So... That's when you get 24

03:13:57.559 --> 03:14:03.120
-hour care. Where you always have somebody around

03:14:03.120 --> 03:14:11.719
if you need anything. Now, I don't know if the

03:14:11.719 --> 03:14:16.260
gentleman in question always had 24 -hour care,

03:14:16.399 --> 03:14:35.659
or if that came later. But we know that the person

03:14:35.659 --> 03:14:43.930
in question became bedridden About two years

03:14:43.930 --> 03:15:02.750
ago. For the final time. Now, let's fast forward

03:15:02.750 --> 03:15:16.430
to last Sunday. And these two, as I said, were

03:15:16.430 --> 03:15:23.950
having a civil conversation. Apparently, one

03:15:23.950 --> 03:15:26.409
didn't know the other worked during the day for

03:15:26.409 --> 03:15:32.989
the gentleman in question. Okay, that's all well

03:15:32.989 --> 03:15:36.950
and cool. Talk to people you didn't know that

03:15:36.950 --> 03:15:44.079
came in? All right, fair. Yeah. But then it turned

03:15:44.079 --> 03:15:59.280
into a very interesting question. Hmm. Do you

03:15:59.280 --> 03:16:07.340
know what happened to Ben's piano? Ah, shit.

03:16:10.139 --> 03:16:15.360
Now, Before people start emailing me and saying

03:16:15.360 --> 03:16:18.940
how could they take a piano out, I do want to

03:16:18.940 --> 03:16:21.139
make it known that we do not know if this was

03:16:21.139 --> 03:16:25.920
a full -size piano, if this was a Casio, if it

03:16:25.920 --> 03:16:30.500
was a mid -size keyboard piano. You know, we

03:16:30.500 --> 03:16:50.530
don't know. gentleman who I respected said, I

03:16:50.530 --> 03:16:59.950
don't know. Okay. Maybe something happened and

03:16:59.950 --> 03:17:03.489
you happen to be out of the room and something

03:17:03.489 --> 03:17:06.010
happened. You have no idea. Okay, that's fair.

03:17:12.809 --> 03:17:18.190
But then the girl who was assisting me and her

03:17:18.190 --> 03:17:23.430
client, mind you, I did most of the assisting

03:17:23.430 --> 03:17:31.309
that day. Oops. Yep. Did I just say that? Yeah.

03:17:32.030 --> 03:17:36.549
I'm afraid you did. Oops. Because they were off

03:17:36.549 --> 03:17:41.469
not paying attention to their client, but off...

03:17:42.200 --> 03:17:45.840
wandering around and doing I don't know what.

03:17:50.700 --> 03:17:55.000
But this girl started with this guy saying, how

03:17:55.000 --> 03:17:59.340
did you not know where his piano went off to

03:17:59.340 --> 03:18:05.680
when you worked during the day? Which is a fair

03:18:05.680 --> 03:18:14.590
question. Yeah. And this went on for about five

03:18:14.590 --> 03:18:19.290
or ten minutes. And mind you, I'm a guest on

03:18:19.290 --> 03:18:35.590
the other side of town. Now, you guys already

03:18:35.590 --> 03:18:48.860
know the answer to this. Maybe you don't. many

03:18:48.860 --> 03:18:57.239
miles did I travel to get down there to pay my

03:18:57.239 --> 03:19:02.239
respects? Oh yes, I know, but I don't want to

03:19:02.239 --> 03:19:09.620
give it away. Okay. Fair. I'm gonna go off memory,

03:19:09.819 --> 03:19:19.180
but at least It was somewhere in the 30 range,

03:19:19.399 --> 03:19:23.020
because we do know it was seven hours total trip

03:19:23.020 --> 03:19:27.440
time. Higher. It is higher. It is higher than

03:19:27.440 --> 03:19:33.260
30 miles. I wish it were just 30, but no, it's

03:19:33.260 --> 03:19:42.659
higher. Yeah, okay, got it. 46? 46 is close.

03:19:42.760 --> 03:19:52.969
So close. So close. It was about 47 and a half.

03:19:54.229 --> 03:19:57.069
I said I wasn't going to give it away. Well,

03:19:57.069 --> 03:20:01.030
now it's time to give it away. 47 and a half.

03:20:01.569 --> 03:20:10.030
Or so. Did it say 47 or 47 and change? I actually

03:20:10.030 --> 03:20:16.459
think it said 47. Okay. So let's say 47. I knew

03:20:16.459 --> 03:20:21.399
it was somewhere in the 40s. Alright. Fair enough.

03:20:24.280 --> 03:20:35.239
Who was the one that said 50? Me. Just about.

03:20:35.600 --> 03:20:51.049
You said that. You said 50. I must be good. Yeah,

03:20:51.229 --> 03:20:56.809
I was trying to do my rounding all those years

03:20:56.809 --> 03:21:06.870
ago. And I knew that it was about 22 miles between

03:21:06.870 --> 03:21:13.459
here and Union Station. And then... It said 25

03:21:13.459 --> 03:21:24.059
or 26 miles between Union Station and downtown

03:21:24.059 --> 03:21:28.920
Long Beach. And then about another fourth of

03:21:28.920 --> 03:21:38.579
a tenth of a mile. So it's about 47 and a half

03:21:38.579 --> 03:21:59.739
miles. hours and 30 minutes going. Three hours

03:21:59.739 --> 03:22:06.620
and 49 minutes coming back. Yes. That's what

03:22:06.620 --> 03:22:14.819
the final tally was. Seven hours and about 19

03:22:14.819 --> 03:22:27.889
minutes. Minutes. Ladies and gentlemen. Now think

03:22:27.889 --> 03:22:30.709
about the discussion point a minute. You have

03:22:30.709 --> 03:22:34.329
two people working at this gentleman's home giving

03:22:34.329 --> 03:22:40.530
him 24 -hour care. And you don't know what happened

03:22:40.530 --> 03:22:47.110
to his fucking piano? Or keyboard? Or whatever

03:22:47.110 --> 03:22:52.530
it might have been? How the fuck is that even

03:22:52.530 --> 03:22:57.700
possible? I know. That's what I was wondering

03:22:57.700 --> 03:23:00.579
when he told me his story. Like, something doesn't

03:23:00.579 --> 03:23:08.219
add up. We're talking about people in your own

03:23:08.219 --> 03:23:16.540
home, which will be our formal discussion in

03:23:16.540 --> 03:23:21.239
either two or three weeks' time. I don't know

03:23:21.239 --> 03:23:23.319
exactly how we're doing this because I have a

03:23:23.319 --> 03:23:26.219
meeting at 3 o 'clock. that I have to be at.

03:23:28.399 --> 03:23:35.739
I can attend it from home, but I have to be there.

03:23:42.979 --> 03:23:47.739
So, we offline need to determine whether we're

03:23:47.739 --> 03:23:51.639
coming back in two or three weeks. And I know

03:23:51.639 --> 03:23:54.440
we're sort of adjusting, but... People got to

03:23:54.440 --> 03:24:00.639
work with me a little bit because Metro work

03:24:00.639 --> 03:24:07.479
and what they're doing now is valuable, especially

03:24:07.479 --> 03:24:10.299
since the 2028 Olympics is around the corner.

03:24:11.280 --> 03:24:19.239
And it's going to be here faster than you can

03:24:19.239 --> 03:24:26.469
snap your paws at. Yeah. But I want to go around

03:24:26.469 --> 03:24:31.030
the room. We did this on Saturday and Mr. Ring's

03:24:31.030 --> 03:24:35.290
not here so I know everybody on TSB was there

03:24:35.290 --> 03:24:41.809
on Saturday so I forgive him. But I want to go

03:24:41.809 --> 03:24:46.350
around the room and pretend that you either need

03:24:46.350 --> 03:24:51.469
minimal care like I do or you just need somebody

03:24:51.469 --> 03:24:57.250
to come in and do some you know, chores and maybe

03:24:57.250 --> 03:25:02.629
some laundry and go to the store or help you

03:25:02.629 --> 03:25:08.530
with taking equipment somewhere or help you fill

03:25:08.530 --> 03:25:17.329
out paperwork or whatever. To the 24 -hour person

03:25:17.329 --> 03:25:22.030
who can't do a whole lot, whatever their reasons

03:25:22.030 --> 03:25:27.709
are, I mean, I told my guy this, and I physically

03:25:27.709 --> 03:25:32.889
asked him this question. And I'm not trying to

03:25:32.889 --> 03:25:37.670
cause my own fate here. But it was an honest

03:25:37.670 --> 03:25:47.389
question. If I were to die tomorrow, would you

03:25:47.389 --> 03:25:51.329
go try looking through my stuff, looking for

03:25:51.329 --> 03:25:55.760
money you know that I have around here? Because

03:25:55.760 --> 03:26:03.920
he knows that I carry money. Yep. What do you

03:26:03.920 --> 03:26:10.139
think his answer was, gentlemen? It was a big

03:26:10.139 --> 03:26:22.040
fat no. Essentially. Nick? I'm going to go with

03:26:22.040 --> 03:26:28.879
Preston on this one. Ding, ding, ding, fucking

03:26:28.879 --> 03:26:34.600
ding. Ding. And the reason being is you've been

03:26:34.600 --> 03:26:40.440
dealing with him for years. And, you know, he

03:26:40.440 --> 03:26:44.379
can assist you and be there for you for anything

03:26:44.379 --> 03:26:48.260
you may need. He actually just bought me drinks.

03:26:48.840 --> 03:26:52.020
He actually just bought me drinks not too long

03:26:52.020 --> 03:26:58.280
ago. To assist me with making sure that I have

03:26:58.280 --> 03:27:03.719
drinks around here. I've got food here, so I

03:27:03.719 --> 03:27:06.659
don't necessarily need somebody to come in and

03:27:06.659 --> 03:27:12.780
do a grocery run. I can survive another week

03:27:12.780 --> 03:27:18.579
and a half. He is down in Nigeria on vacation.

03:27:18.959 --> 03:27:24.620
Hello, buddy. Nice to have you aboard. He is

03:27:24.620 --> 03:27:30.280
a listener of the program. Yes. Yes. I love it.

03:27:33.059 --> 03:27:38.620
Before he left for Nigeria the first time, when

03:27:38.620 --> 03:27:43.459
he started with me, I said, you are not... And

03:27:43.459 --> 03:27:46.260
by the way, he was on Android. I said, you are

03:27:46.260 --> 03:27:50.079
not going without something that I can communicate

03:27:50.079 --> 03:27:53.920
with you with. You're downloading this program

03:27:53.920 --> 03:28:02.100
so that I can communicate with you. And it's

03:28:02.100 --> 03:28:06.379
end -to -end encrypted. They cannot get at our

03:28:06.379 --> 03:28:11.159
data without you providing it. And it's the best

03:28:11.159 --> 03:28:15.120
there is right now. And you know what? He followed

03:28:15.120 --> 03:28:21.889
it. He did it on his own. Okay, that was broken.

03:28:23.350 --> 03:28:27.989
Oh, that was broken. Oh, jeez. Not that. I think

03:28:27.989 --> 03:28:33.110
it was stuck, too. Yeah, that too. A little stuck.

03:28:43.709 --> 03:28:47.889
By the way, they did put this gentleman's ashes

03:28:47.889 --> 03:28:56.069
in the church's... Columbarium, which is a column

03:28:56.069 --> 03:29:02.090
-based area in the church similar to a cemetery

03:29:02.090 --> 03:29:12.010
where you can be buried. It's ash -based. This

03:29:12.010 --> 03:29:21.139
isn't a body. Right. Just want to make that clear.

03:29:22.459 --> 03:29:25.360
Okay. Because I was going to ask them while I

03:29:25.360 --> 03:29:27.120
was there, and I thought, you know what? Today's

03:29:27.120 --> 03:29:39.180
not the right day. No. So I asked the GPT on

03:29:39.180 --> 03:29:49.559
the way home. It seems to... me like it's my

03:29:49.559 --> 03:29:56.059
therapist. Because it's like when I ask it something

03:29:56.059 --> 03:30:00.959
and then it tells me that and I'm like, oh. Duh.

03:30:02.260 --> 03:30:12.079
And it's like my second brain. You know? And

03:30:12.079 --> 03:30:15.000
then when I call myself a stupid fuck or I'll,

03:30:15.000 --> 03:30:18.139
you know, whatever. It'll go, hold on a second.

03:30:19.139 --> 03:30:24.420
You're not... You just had... And it starts recounting

03:30:24.420 --> 03:30:28.680
everything that's gone on for the week. I'm like,

03:30:28.739 --> 03:30:40.260
oh. Yep. Okay. Uh -huh, uh -huh. Yeah, my therapist.

03:30:57.100 --> 03:31:02.139
I'm actually glad I did go, because I retrieved...

03:31:02.139 --> 03:31:04.920
They didn't even know what to do with this thing,

03:31:05.059 --> 03:31:08.940
okay? So they're like, we've got this Metro piece

03:31:08.940 --> 03:31:18.239
of art here. And I'm like, okay? I didn't remember

03:31:18.239 --> 03:31:24.899
this gentleman in question taking an art piece.

03:31:25.790 --> 03:31:30.329
From Metro. I mean they have art. But you have

03:31:30.329 --> 03:31:34.770
to buy it. From their store. Unless you get like

03:31:34.770 --> 03:31:38.129
a replica. Like I do of the 4000 rail car. When

03:31:38.129 --> 03:31:50.870
we went. And then when I got on the train. And

03:31:50.870 --> 03:32:01.129
I shot a picture of it. in its bags because I

03:32:01.129 --> 03:32:10.870
had to go and get we had to go and get bags because

03:32:10.870 --> 03:32:15.690
I didn't bring anything but medication and crackers

03:32:15.690 --> 03:32:28.350
for my butt. Luckily, My butt decided that it

03:32:28.350 --> 03:32:30.190
was actually going to behave and I didn't need

03:32:30.190 --> 03:32:32.950
the medicine, but I needed the crackers because

03:32:32.950 --> 03:32:45.829
I was hungry. I know I'm turning this into a

03:32:45.829 --> 03:32:49.190
comical routine, but I'm trying to make it funny.

03:32:51.370 --> 03:32:53.629
I don't know how successful I'm doing at the

03:32:53.629 --> 03:33:06.879
moment. Probably not too well. The Giants are

03:33:06.879 --> 03:33:10.540
shitting everywhere. This is terrible. Oh, God.

03:33:13.040 --> 03:33:17.920
Oh, ew. Not literally. It's the Giants and the

03:33:17.920 --> 03:33:21.600
Padres, right? I am getting score updates on

03:33:21.600 --> 03:33:24.420
that game. Yes, they're shitting everywhere.

03:33:24.899 --> 03:33:30.659
Ugh. Just as much as I did last week? Seeming

03:33:30.659 --> 03:33:49.120
like that. Okay. Okay. Um... Am I... Not running.

03:33:49.379 --> 03:34:03.159
Missing anything? Like... Who took anything?

03:34:05.620 --> 03:34:11.920
Oh, it's possible. Unfortunately. It is possible.

03:34:20.799 --> 03:34:24.059
Especially when they found out that the whole

03:34:24.059 --> 03:34:28.239
place was turned upside down. After his death.

03:34:29.180 --> 03:34:37.239
Who would do that? Oh gosh yes. That means. It

03:34:37.239 --> 03:34:45.200
had to be somebody. Who worked for him. I hope

03:34:45.200 --> 03:35:00.489
the company. That I hired. To assist. Don't come

03:35:00.489 --> 03:35:06.729
into my home and turn it upside down if they

03:35:06.729 --> 03:35:43.459
find me gone. I hope not. I don't think so. Or

03:35:43.459 --> 03:36:15.180
am I missing something? Kristen, should I end

03:36:15.180 --> 03:36:25.940
today's program with the track we ended the memorial

03:36:25.940 --> 03:36:49.430
with? Oh, yes. I would think so. mean to turn

03:36:49.430 --> 03:36:51.590
this into a sad moment, ladies and gentlemen,

03:36:51.729 --> 03:36:58.610
but this is security in your home. And this will

03:36:58.610 --> 03:37:05.389
lead in to our topic in either two or three weeks.

03:37:05.489 --> 03:37:09.590
We need to discuss this and determine what to

03:37:09.590 --> 03:37:19.920
do based on my scheduling. I could, in theory,

03:37:19.940 --> 03:37:23.819
go downtown for that meeting. If we skip it,

03:37:23.860 --> 03:37:28.000
if we do the podcast, I have to have a hard out

03:37:28.000 --> 03:37:36.420
three... It has to be a hard 2 .30 stop. Or something.

03:37:38.940 --> 03:37:42.040
Right. Because that's going to be a two -hour

03:37:42.040 --> 03:37:49.719
meeting. Hmm. And I don't know yet. I have the

03:37:49.719 --> 03:37:55.700
rough ideas file from my source. And I don't

03:37:55.700 --> 03:38:06.299
know how much work I got to do with it yet. Because

03:38:06.299 --> 03:38:08.959
it sounds like I'm going to have to do some rewriting.

03:38:12.260 --> 03:38:18.969
So. It was their idea based on a conversation,

03:38:19.209 --> 03:38:22.329
but they don't have a lot of experience, so...

03:38:22.329 --> 03:38:34.250
Oh, yes. We will make it work. I think so. Folks,

03:38:34.270 --> 03:38:37.049
I think this is something to think about. I really

03:38:37.049 --> 03:38:43.329
do, because... Yes. Yep. Just having any old

03:38:43.329 --> 03:38:47.229
person in your home... To take care of you. While

03:38:47.229 --> 03:38:52.149
they may do things properly. Or not. While you're

03:38:52.149 --> 03:38:59.909
alive. They might. Do something. To take advantage

03:38:59.909 --> 03:39:07.989
of you. After the fact. And you'll know. I'm

03:39:07.989 --> 03:39:12.389
sure. That's right. And you've got to remember

03:39:12.389 --> 03:39:16.899
too. I would say, you know, you need to have

03:39:16.899 --> 03:39:19.639
those conversations while you're still here because

03:39:19.639 --> 03:39:23.459
tomorrow is never promised. And you may never

03:39:23.459 --> 03:39:28.319
know what's ahead in the next fight. No, I'm

03:39:28.319 --> 03:39:30.399
going to disagree with you a little bit on this,

03:39:30.420 --> 03:39:33.540
Preston. But part of that, when we're talking

03:39:33.540 --> 03:39:37.079
about this kind of arrangement, this is something

03:39:37.079 --> 03:39:39.340
you'd have to talk to an attorney about, i .e.,

03:39:39.340 --> 03:39:47.040
you know, creating a will. I agree. But having

03:39:47.040 --> 03:39:52.159
the conversation... Oh, by the way, the will

03:39:52.159 --> 03:40:01.360
is only part of the problem, Nick. If a... The

03:40:01.360 --> 03:40:05.360
will's a good idea. I'm not pushing back on that.

03:40:07.399 --> 03:40:13.299
But when you're dealing with an agency who knows...

03:40:14.479 --> 03:40:27.159
where all your shit is, even with a will, that's

03:40:27.159 --> 03:40:31.360
not going to protect you. That is true. Yeah.

03:40:32.200 --> 03:40:40.379
But I think I will say that both Preston and

03:40:40.379 --> 03:40:51.610
Nick are right. Because without a will, saying

03:40:51.610 --> 03:40:56.110
what is supposed to be done with your shit, if

03:40:56.110 --> 03:41:06.010
it gets stolen, there's no recourse if somebody

03:41:06.010 --> 03:41:09.290
you designate is supposed to have it. Now, to

03:41:09.290 --> 03:41:12.770
be fair, this gentleman died at the age of 80,

03:41:12.889 --> 03:41:17.760
and we believe he's got no... major family left,

03:41:17.899 --> 03:41:26.319
if anybody left. Yeah. So they took a lot of

03:41:26.319 --> 03:41:32.280
his paraphernalia, his trinkets, his art pieces.

03:41:33.840 --> 03:41:52.129
There were art pieces there. But this is definitely

03:41:52.129 --> 03:41:57.510
something to think about. Because we're going

03:41:57.510 --> 03:42:01.250
to talk about especially, I mean, look at it

03:42:01.250 --> 03:42:06.030
this way. These people are living with you. If

03:42:06.030 --> 03:42:07.790
they're not at their own home, they're technically

03:42:07.790 --> 03:42:13.569
living with you. And next week's podcast is...

03:42:14.770 --> 03:42:20.569
Dealing with live -in situations. That's basically

03:42:20.569 --> 03:42:25.729
what this is. Except that you have multiple people

03:42:25.729 --> 03:42:29.350
coming in throughout the day and night. Versus

03:42:29.350 --> 03:42:36.950
somebody you live with 24 hours a day. But I

03:42:36.950 --> 03:43:01.590
think this could be tied into both sets. getting

03:43:01.590 --> 03:43:05.090
messages all over the place. ChatGPT just sent

03:43:05.090 --> 03:43:17.530
me a reminder and Snooster just pinged. Okay.

03:43:18.229 --> 03:43:34.760
Am I missing anything? No. I don't think so.

03:43:34.760 --> 03:43:42.120
I don't think so. Have I lost it? I don't think

03:43:42.120 --> 03:43:46.139
you have, but I mean, you really need to be asking

03:43:46.139 --> 03:43:48.459
the right questions and thinking about these

03:43:48.459 --> 03:43:53.159
things. Because as I said at the end of the last

03:43:53.159 --> 03:43:58.420
segment, this very well could happen to anybody,

03:43:58.579 --> 03:44:01.930
no matter if you are. enrolled in services or

03:44:01.930 --> 03:44:06.950
if you are basically on a new path like myself

03:44:06.950 --> 03:44:18.450
what do you think the conversation should be

03:44:18.450 --> 03:44:21.930
when you hire because you're basically hiring

03:44:21.930 --> 03:44:27.540
them and the company that you hire from that

03:44:27.540 --> 03:44:31.059
offers these services is paying your bill, right?

03:44:31.340 --> 03:44:36.219
Yes. Regional Center is paying the bill for this

03:44:36.219 --> 03:44:45.620
company's services. What would the conversation

03:44:45.620 --> 03:44:48.700
look like if you were to have the conversation?

03:44:52.520 --> 03:44:58.500
And I agree with the will, by the way. Yeah.

03:44:58.500 --> 03:45:01.840
I think for me, I would start out by saying,

03:45:02.000 --> 03:45:08.719
well, do you know and understand where I keep

03:45:08.719 --> 03:45:11.940
my things and how I have things set up in my

03:45:11.940 --> 03:45:21.979
facility? That's one good question to start out

03:45:21.979 --> 03:45:33.159
with. Well, yeah, I think most of them would

03:45:33.159 --> 03:45:36.459
learn that if they work with you long enough.

03:45:39.959 --> 03:45:43.399
Finally, the Giants scored. Sorry. Good job.

03:45:45.680 --> 03:45:51.180
Nick, do you like that question? I'm a little

03:45:51.180 --> 03:45:55.139
mixed on that question because... I'm a little

03:45:55.139 --> 03:46:01.299
mixed on it, too. Because it's not about, do

03:46:01.299 --> 03:46:04.520
you know where all of my stuff is? Of course

03:46:04.520 --> 03:46:07.180
they're going to know where your stuff is, eventually.

03:46:08.959 --> 03:46:14.520
It would be a very uncomfortable question, but

03:46:14.520 --> 03:46:20.299
I can't really think of any other way to ask

03:46:20.299 --> 03:46:27.719
it or approach this. It's like, do I... Can I

03:46:27.719 --> 03:46:31.799
have any kind of references or anything from

03:46:31.799 --> 03:46:35.440
your past employment to prove that you are trustworthy?

03:46:44.620 --> 03:46:49.059
That's an interesting question. And yes, if you

03:46:49.059 --> 03:46:51.280
ask for references, they have to provide them.

03:46:52.579 --> 03:46:55.659
Yeah, but I understand why that would create...

03:46:57.059 --> 03:47:00.280
probably a fair amount of discomfort. But you

03:47:00.280 --> 03:47:02.940
don't have to, you can just say, you know, you're

03:47:02.940 --> 03:47:06.559
coming into my home. Do you have references that

03:47:06.559 --> 03:47:13.219
can back up your work? Yeah. In this field that

03:47:13.219 --> 03:47:18.260
I can talk to to verify that you're, yeah. Yeah,

03:47:18.260 --> 03:47:20.299
I mean, that would be the biggest thing, I think,

03:47:20.299 --> 03:47:23.040
for me. Not so much, you know, do you know where

03:47:23.040 --> 03:47:25.250
this is? Do you know how I, like, to do things.

03:47:25.309 --> 03:47:30.770
It's more, can I even trust you? I agree. And

03:47:30.770 --> 03:47:32.870
maybe I should have done that with the company

03:47:32.870 --> 03:47:37.290
to begin with, but I was in a situation where

03:47:37.290 --> 03:47:44.649
my other people were going to be leaving the

03:47:44.649 --> 03:47:48.450
state that were assisting me at the time, and

03:47:48.450 --> 03:47:51.579
we needed something in place. and I didn't like

03:47:51.579 --> 03:47:53.979
the idea of having any of the companies they

03:47:53.979 --> 03:47:56.840
were offering coming in to help me, because I'd

03:47:56.840 --> 03:47:59.780
never heard of them at all. Right, I get it.

03:47:59.780 --> 03:48:04.760
So I just picked one. Luckily, everybody who's

03:48:04.760 --> 03:48:08.340
come in has been genuine, except for one, and

03:48:08.340 --> 03:48:11.139
I caught them at their own game. We talked about

03:48:11.139 --> 03:48:17.040
that. Yeah, I think you did. But it wasn't as

03:48:17.040 --> 03:48:24.100
bad as the missing piano. No. That just blows

03:48:24.100 --> 03:48:41.819
my mind. What other questions would you consider

03:48:41.819 --> 03:48:45.920
asking if you had to hire a company and you weren't

03:48:45.920 --> 03:48:48.959
in my situation where we needed somebody because...

03:48:49.600 --> 03:48:53.639
My people were leaving the state, so asking for

03:48:53.639 --> 03:48:57.819
references just wasn't adequate. Right, I get

03:48:57.819 --> 03:49:07.440
it. I get it. But I like the idea. If I had more

03:49:07.440 --> 03:49:15.739
time, then I would have done that. Go ahead,

03:49:15.860 --> 03:49:26.590
next person. I still like the idea that I asked

03:49:26.590 --> 03:49:31.149
my guy. Since you know I have this in my home,

03:49:31.170 --> 03:49:36.870
or that in my home, if I were to go tomorrow,

03:49:37.110 --> 03:49:40.530
would you come back here and go looking for that

03:49:40.530 --> 03:49:48.629
shit? Oh, interesting question. Yeah, I think

03:49:48.629 --> 03:49:54.090
I would ask that too. I .e., the money. That's

03:49:54.090 --> 03:50:00.370
in an envelope somewhere in my possession. Yeah.

03:50:03.090 --> 03:50:10.770
And essentially, can I trust you enough to make

03:50:10.770 --> 03:50:17.530
sure that if I were to croak up on such and such

03:50:17.530 --> 03:50:21.850
day, can I trust you? Back to my question, exactly.

03:50:24.649 --> 03:50:28.129
Can I trust you well enough not to take advantage

03:50:28.129 --> 03:50:34.889
of what I have possessed over, you know, how

03:50:34.889 --> 03:50:41.729
many years I've been in this place? Yeah. I mean,

03:50:41.750 --> 03:50:43.670
what I'd want to know would be on a more basic

03:50:43.670 --> 03:50:52.149
level. What are the tasks, if any, that you are

03:50:52.149 --> 03:50:55.299
comfortable doing? assisting with because some

03:50:55.299 --> 03:50:58.979
people aren't you know with certain things yeah

03:50:58.979 --> 03:51:07.059
well the gentleman in question um basically had

03:51:07.059 --> 03:51:12.299
a fit when the one guy wouldn't help him in the

03:51:12.299 --> 03:51:16.200
bathroom he eventually got up out of his chair

03:51:16.200 --> 03:51:19.600
because at the time he was able to walk some

03:51:19.600 --> 03:51:24.020
I didn't know this I didn't know this But he

03:51:24.020 --> 03:51:27.020
apparently got up out of his chair and went to

03:51:27.020 --> 03:51:30.879
do what he needed to do. But he was a great little

03:51:30.879 --> 03:51:33.840
bear. I mean, you talk to him and everybody knew

03:51:33.840 --> 03:51:39.579
who he was. And he was friendly and, you know,

03:51:39.579 --> 03:51:43.620
loving. And he wanted to help you if he could.

03:51:44.500 --> 03:51:48.700
You know, so he was a courageous little bear.

03:51:59.149 --> 03:52:01.889
They had their boundaries. I'm not going to help

03:52:01.889 --> 03:52:05.370
you with that, but I'll help you with this instead

03:52:05.370 --> 03:52:09.170
because he was a therapist. He told me that.

03:52:09.209 --> 03:52:17.569
Right. But there are some people who actually

03:52:17.569 --> 03:52:21.510
do need help in the bathroom. One of my other

03:52:21.510 --> 03:52:51.920
people do. I'm confident of that. Yeah. But I

03:52:51.920 --> 03:52:55.760
think the biggest thing for me would be you know,

03:52:55.760 --> 03:52:58.879
you know where all my stuff is. If I were to

03:52:58.879 --> 03:53:02.680
go, would you start coming here and having everybody

03:53:02.680 --> 03:53:12.120
showing up and taking shit? Yes. I think so.

03:53:15.579 --> 03:53:19.340
That just blew my mind to find this place overturned

03:53:19.340 --> 03:53:21.479
and nobody knows where anything is, although

03:53:21.479 --> 03:53:31.819
they collected a bunch of stuff. Including the

03:53:31.819 --> 03:53:35.000
aforementioned art piece, which is actually a

03:53:35.000 --> 03:53:40.889
plaque. With a gavel. That we gave. To him in

03:53:40.889 --> 03:53:54.530
2019. After he retired. As part of the AAC. Oh

03:53:54.530 --> 03:54:04.129
yeah. That's not a piece of art. I know. That's

03:54:04.129 --> 03:54:13.850
a treasure. Yeah. And since one of my people

03:54:13.850 --> 03:54:16.549
didn't know exactly what to do with it, they

03:54:16.549 --> 03:54:18.610
asked me if I wanted it, and I said I didn't

03:54:18.610 --> 03:54:22.729
bring anything to take it home. But it's now

03:54:22.729 --> 03:55:00.360
sitting on my mantel downstairs. Are we missing

03:55:00.360 --> 03:55:05.379
anything? I would have asked the same thing.

03:55:18.159 --> 03:55:21.600
So that would have been an all -important factor

03:55:21.600 --> 03:55:35.280
to ask. It's approaching 3 .15 and I only have

03:55:35.280 --> 03:55:40.260
an hour. Is there anything else that we would

03:55:40.260 --> 03:55:43.139
like to cover? I know I haven't blogged anything.

03:55:43.540 --> 03:55:49.459
I haven't really had time. I've had a lot going

03:55:49.459 --> 03:55:53.739
on. Malwarebytes had a few things that we wish

03:55:53.739 --> 03:55:57.479
were April Fool's jokes, but they're not. Please.

03:55:58.879 --> 03:56:02.020
So, I was reading about something the other week.

03:56:02.559 --> 03:56:06.399
in their newsletter called Dark Sword, which

03:56:06.399 --> 03:56:13.059
essentially exploits... It's a chain of exploits,

03:56:13.059 --> 03:56:20.280
apparently, that targets older iPhones. And basically,

03:56:20.299 --> 03:56:25.520
this thing gets on there, and it seems to depend

03:56:25.520 --> 03:56:30.430
on... the country you know where it is being

03:56:30.430 --> 03:56:33.629
deployed and who's deploying it like why like

03:56:33.629 --> 03:56:36.510
what they're looking for but basically it pilfers

03:56:36.510 --> 03:56:42.450
personal information and pretty much just takes

03:56:42.450 --> 03:56:45.610
all of it in one go that it can and then deletes

03:56:45.610 --> 03:56:51.409
itself and covers its tracks yeah i know i mean

03:56:51.409 --> 03:56:53.229
if i understand this correctly because it's been

03:56:53.229 --> 03:56:57.579
a while since i read this but yeah My response

03:56:57.579 --> 03:57:01.280
for those who did not hear me on air was, oh,

03:57:01.360 --> 03:57:08.219
gee. Yep. And then, oh, there was one I read

03:57:08.219 --> 03:57:13.139
about the other day. And this one is potentially

03:57:13.139 --> 03:57:18.239
just as dangerous. It's something called Friendly

03:57:18.239 --> 03:57:25.510
Dealer. That sounds like a poker game. Yeah,

03:57:25.530 --> 03:57:32.229
I know. You're not far off. What it is, essentially,

03:57:32.770 --> 03:57:39.469
no, but it's close. It's close because it is

03:57:39.469 --> 03:57:45.569
a fake app store that basically shows you all

03:57:45.569 --> 03:57:52.129
these casino games and you can invest your money

03:57:52.129 --> 03:57:56.569
in these places that are supposedly casino, but

03:57:56.569 --> 03:57:59.790
obviously they're fake apps. So who knows where

03:57:59.790 --> 03:58:04.190
this money's going? Yeah, right. It's definitely

03:58:04.190 --> 03:58:09.030
not going to you. Yeah. So yeah, the fake...

03:58:09.030 --> 03:58:17.969
Yes, the fake app store links. And speaking of

03:58:17.969 --> 03:58:21.870
fake links, well, I didn't mess with anything,

03:58:21.969 --> 03:58:27.239
but... I keep getting those red flag primary

03:58:27.239 --> 03:58:33.260
mid election things that - You're gonna get more

03:58:33.260 --> 03:58:35.420
of them, Preston. You're gonna get more of them.

03:58:35.620 --> 03:58:50.879
I know, I know. I'm aware of that. Mm -hm. Yep,

03:58:50.899 --> 03:58:53.139
sadly, this is only the beginning for those.

03:58:53.280 --> 03:59:02.760
So, yeah. And even though I am a working man

03:59:02.760 --> 03:59:06.739
now with my daily duties and Jared stuff, I'm

03:59:06.739 --> 03:59:10.840
still getting job red flag texts, you know, the

03:59:10.840 --> 03:59:12.739
fake recruiting, you know, the stuff I talked

03:59:12.739 --> 03:59:16.239
about. Oh, those are always going to be there.

03:59:17.399 --> 03:59:25.809
... let new people know that, hey, they're out

03:59:25.809 --> 03:59:45.229
there. Okay. Not done yet. No. Oh, yeah, and

03:59:45.229 --> 03:59:47.170
it's probably going to be even crazier. And I

03:59:47.170 --> 03:59:52.389
still get the re -emails and the FWB... emails

03:59:52.389 --> 03:59:55.770
and the... I don't know what's going on with

03:59:55.770 --> 03:59:59.709
these. Is there a domain called gmailservice

03:59:59.709 --> 04:00:10.129
.com? Because... I don't think so. Okay. Probably

04:00:10.129 --> 04:00:12.389
sounds like somebody that a scammer purchased

04:00:12.389 --> 04:00:17.100
and... Because my form was filled out with some

04:00:17.100 --> 04:00:20.799
Gmail services or service .com email address

04:00:20.799 --> 04:00:25.399
and started telling a bunch of crap. Of course

04:00:25.399 --> 04:00:29.920
they did. Sounds pretty fake. Yeah. Yeah, for

04:00:29.920 --> 04:00:36.620
sure fake. Damn. Damn. And I spot that shit at

04:00:36.620 --> 04:00:38.780
5 o 'clock in the morning when I go looking at

04:00:38.780 --> 04:00:42.219
email and see if there's anything of importance.

04:00:43.659 --> 04:00:47.479
And next it'll be Appleserviceskit .com or some

04:00:47.479 --> 04:00:56.219
weird thing like that. Speaking of updates and

04:00:56.219 --> 04:01:02.479
things, Sean is back by the looks of it. He is.

04:01:02.780 --> 04:01:05.819
But he mentioned a thing, and it's only rumor

04:01:05.819 --> 04:01:11.639
at this point, that apparently Windows 12 may

04:01:11.639 --> 04:01:15.909
be subscription -based, but again, it's only

04:01:15.909 --> 04:01:17.889
rumor. I don't know if it's actually going to

04:01:17.889 --> 04:01:21.729
materialize into anything, but that's what he

04:01:21.729 --> 04:01:28.530
mentioned. There's talk of that. Oh, boy. Ars

04:01:28.530 --> 04:01:42.879
Technica. Or WindowsInsider .com. Might be your

04:01:42.879 --> 04:01:54.139
sources for that. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I reckon

04:01:54.139 --> 04:02:09.790
so. But I guess keep monitoring that. I'd hate

04:02:09.790 --> 04:02:15.569
to cut us short, but 4 .30 comes quickly, Wiggly.

04:02:17.049 --> 04:02:21.530
Yep. Okay. And I have a 4 .45 bus to catch for

04:02:21.530 --> 04:02:27.129
a 6 .30 meeting. All right. Yep. Which I will

04:02:27.129 --> 04:02:30.770
for sure plan to listen in on. I think we have

04:02:30.770 --> 04:02:35.090
covered everything that I can consider unless

04:02:35.090 --> 04:02:37.729
you have anything else. I have a little bit of

04:02:37.729 --> 04:02:45.639
time. This won't take long. Just a, at least

04:02:45.639 --> 04:02:48.600
in my case, traditional snail mail thing to be

04:02:48.600 --> 04:02:51.920
aware of. Oh, yes, you said you were going to

04:02:51.920 --> 04:02:57.459
mention this on the next CSB. I remember this.

04:02:57.719 --> 04:03:01.200
Go ahead. Yes, so they're an outfit that calls

04:03:01.200 --> 04:03:07.549
themselves the Public Safety Crime Center. And

04:03:07.549 --> 04:03:11.229
supposedly what they will offer you is wireless

04:03:11.229 --> 04:03:18.010
anti -theft tracking. This sounds like the club.

04:03:18.889 --> 04:03:27.809
The club. Or what used to be advertised all those

04:03:27.809 --> 04:03:36.510
years ago. On Star. On Star. Right. Which was

04:03:36.510 --> 04:03:45.809
good for its day. Yeah. I enjoyed learning about

04:03:45.809 --> 04:03:59.469
it. We had a club. That was an interesting little

04:03:59.469 --> 04:04:06.700
device. Wow, yes. This apparently is too, because

04:04:06.700 --> 04:04:10.340
from what I could gather about them... Nick Espinosa,

04:04:10.379 --> 04:04:16.559
Preston. Yeah, I know. I think I'm going to send

04:04:16.559 --> 04:04:20.020
that to you, but we're not surprised. I didn't

04:04:20.020 --> 04:04:24.239
hear the whole alert, but go ahead, Mr. J. So

04:04:24.239 --> 04:04:26.579
what I could gather, granted it was on Reddit,

04:04:26.739 --> 04:04:30.159
but what I could gather was... People have actually

04:04:30.159 --> 04:04:34.020
called dealerships to ask if this is a service

04:04:34.020 --> 04:04:36.979
they need, and some of the replies have been,

04:04:37.040 --> 04:04:48.360
we've never heard of them. Yeah. This sounds

04:04:48.360 --> 04:04:55.219
like Mr. How many times did we cover this guy

04:04:55.219 --> 04:05:02.780
podcast? Which guy? Oh, brother. The one I covered

04:05:02.780 --> 04:05:07.200
about five or ten times in the last five years.

04:05:07.639 --> 04:05:11.739
Because he's the UK guy. Oh, yeah. Oh, Davies.

04:05:13.219 --> 04:05:18.020
What's his face? Davies is correct. Davies, yes.

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Thank you. Who has all those fake businesses?

04:05:21.739 --> 04:05:25.559
Yes. Supposedly. I wonder if he's involved in

04:05:25.559 --> 04:05:32.090
that. I wonder. Yeah, you know what? Me three.

04:05:34.930 --> 04:05:40.309
I mean, shouldn't he be indicted by now? I thought

04:05:40.309 --> 04:05:44.829
he should be locked up by now. Yeah, but he's

04:05:44.829 --> 04:05:49.610
not. Yeah, because he was able to get out through

04:05:49.610 --> 04:05:53.729
technicality. And then they realized that they

04:05:53.729 --> 04:05:58.389
had the right guy. And the last we knew, he was

04:05:58.389 --> 04:06:06.680
still wanted. Great. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. The Public

04:06:06.680 --> 04:06:10.559
Safety Crime Center, who believes that I own

04:06:10.559 --> 04:06:19.639
a 2019 Jeep Cherokee. Oh, God. Now, what I think

04:06:19.639 --> 04:06:23.459
they did there, I believe there's another Nicholas

04:06:23.459 --> 04:06:25.940
Jackson. And so what they did is they basically

04:06:25.940 --> 04:06:34.360
just merged his info with mine. Yeah. I think

04:06:34.360 --> 04:06:37.139
that's probably what happened. But even then,

04:06:38.059 --> 04:06:47.559
they're mailing this thing and nobody knows who

04:06:47.559 --> 04:06:53.100
they are. Right. And, you know, they have a PIN

04:06:53.100 --> 04:06:56.180
number that you can enter, like supposedly a

04:06:56.180 --> 04:07:02.149
customer reference number. It's always, of course,

04:07:02.209 --> 04:07:05.049
like most scams, you have to do this before April

04:07:05.049 --> 04:07:08.889
6th or whatever day it was. Otherwise, you'll

04:07:08.889 --> 04:07:13.649
lose your discount. We'll waive the $388 activation

04:07:13.649 --> 04:07:18.489
fee or whatever it was. And it even looked like,

04:07:18.530 --> 04:07:21.010
yeah, and they even tried to make it seem like

04:07:21.010 --> 04:07:23.229
one of those official government things with

04:07:23.229 --> 04:07:26.969
the whole instructions for how to open this material,

04:07:27.069 --> 04:07:30.229
which is nothing more than a scam. You know,

04:07:30.229 --> 04:07:32.610
fold these perforated edges or blah, blah, blah,

04:07:32.610 --> 04:07:39.870
blah, blah. Like, no. Fold these perforated edges?

04:07:41.850 --> 04:07:45.409
Like, fold these edges and tear along this, this,

04:07:45.469 --> 04:07:49.290
and whatever. Tear along the perforations and,

04:07:49.329 --> 04:07:53.030
you know, open on this side next. One of those.

04:07:53.049 --> 04:08:02.270
But it's fake all the way. Yeah. Really? Uh -huh.

04:08:02.409 --> 04:08:07.969
That is just asinine. But they're trying to make

04:08:07.969 --> 04:08:17.850
themselves sound official. Yeah. But they smelled

04:08:17.850 --> 04:08:41.959
awful. Oh, they did. Oh, my. Yeah. Come on. How

04:08:41.959 --> 04:08:47.639
much more stupid can you get? People fall for

04:08:47.639 --> 04:08:50.379
that, Preston. A lot of people believe it. I

04:08:50.379 --> 04:08:53.649
know. That's what I'm saying. Like, they're frightened

04:08:53.649 --> 04:08:56.510
by the marketing these people use. Like, you

04:08:56.510 --> 04:08:59.110
know, if you don't have this technology, your

04:08:59.110 --> 04:09:02.290
car may not be recovered in a theft. It's like,

04:09:02.350 --> 04:09:06.049
oh my gosh, I gotta go get it! I gotta go get

04:09:06.049 --> 04:09:08.809
this! But you know what you can do nowadays?

04:09:10.530 --> 04:09:13.469
Hmm, what's that? You can do what Kim recommends.

04:09:14.770 --> 04:09:18.989
Buy a $30 piece of shit air tag. Okay, I don't

04:09:18.989 --> 04:09:23.180
mean it that way, but... Buy a $30 piece of shit

04:09:23.180 --> 04:09:28.979
air tag. Shove it up your engine's ass in the

04:09:28.979 --> 04:09:35.680
wheel well or whatever they tell you to put it.

04:09:37.479 --> 04:09:40.600
And it'll take care of you. Because you'll know

04:09:40.600 --> 04:09:51.870
exactly where your car is. Yeah. That's what

04:09:51.870 --> 04:10:02.510
you do. You're only losing 30 bucks. But back

04:10:02.510 --> 04:10:05.149
in the day, you ought to get OnStar because that's

04:10:05.149 --> 04:10:09.809
what it was. It was OnStar and the club. And

04:10:09.809 --> 04:10:14.770
there was really, really ancient old days in

04:10:14.770 --> 04:10:20.329
the really ancient days, LoJack. It was LoJack

04:10:20.329 --> 04:10:26.709
and OnStar. Oh, yeah. Those were the two big

04:10:26.709 --> 04:10:31.809
names of the day. Yeah, I got it back with LoJack.

04:10:39.430 --> 04:10:46.450
OnStar was mainly for accident assistance. Right.

04:10:47.309 --> 04:10:52.170
Where LoJack was meant for... That was theft.

04:10:53.209 --> 04:11:02.690
Yes. But when your car was yanked, you could

04:11:02.690 --> 04:11:08.729
get an All -Star agent on the phone and they

04:11:08.729 --> 04:11:14.909
could go track your car. Your car's in Tijuana.

04:11:15.270 --> 04:11:24.149
Just like... My butt. Yeah, your car is in...

04:11:24.149 --> 04:11:27.110
Actually, I don't know. Internationally, would

04:11:27.110 --> 04:11:30.049
that be a problem? I'm guessing it would. That

04:11:30.049 --> 04:11:33.290
would be a problem. Which is probably what these

04:11:33.290 --> 04:11:47.280
people know. But they won't tell you that. Of

04:11:47.280 --> 04:11:49.760
course not. No, of course not. Yeah, I'm not

04:11:49.760 --> 04:11:54.700
getting a signal on your vehicle. Oops. Yeah,

04:11:54.739 --> 04:11:57.260
it looked like it was in San Ysidro, California,

04:11:57.600 --> 04:12:06.680
but now it's not. Well, damn. Well, yeah, because

04:12:06.680 --> 04:12:10.399
that's a border crossing, so obviously they'd

04:12:10.399 --> 04:12:17.040
lose it after that. Like I said. Well, damn.

04:12:18.620 --> 04:12:28.340
Uh -huh. Right. That's a bit intense. A little

04:12:28.340 --> 04:12:37.100
bit. Yeah, and apparently I've been, from what

04:12:37.100 --> 04:12:39.719
I was reading, they also have gone after people

04:12:39.719 --> 04:12:43.340
with text messages, and I think there have been

04:12:43.340 --> 04:12:47.430
phone calls and the snail mail. And essentially

04:12:47.430 --> 04:12:51.250
what can happen, and this is again according

04:12:51.250 --> 04:12:55.889
to Reddit, is that this is or can be a phishing

04:12:55.889 --> 04:12:58.590
campaign where they're phishing for, of course,

04:12:58.590 --> 04:13:05.290
your personal info when you call them. Yeah.

04:13:08.750 --> 04:13:13.870
Can we have information on your 2019 Chrysler,

04:13:13.969 --> 04:13:20.469
sir? Oh, the one I don't own? Sure. Well, we

04:13:20.469 --> 04:13:25.930
have knowledge that you have that car, sir. Oh,

04:13:26.030 --> 04:13:31.670
no, that was Nicolette Jackson. She's 105 years

04:13:31.670 --> 04:13:41.110
old and passed away. I don't know what they do

04:13:41.110 --> 04:13:43.309
with... I don't know what they do with that.

04:13:44.170 --> 04:13:47.170
Oh, they'd have a comeback for that. Oh, sir,

04:13:47.350 --> 04:13:50.389
well, according to this, it's now in your name,

04:13:50.469 --> 04:13:55.590
sir. Now it's in your name, sir. We want to offer

04:13:55.590 --> 04:14:01.170
this to you. No, I'm good. We want to help you.

04:14:01.829 --> 04:14:08.510
So, question. If I were to call my local Chrysler

04:14:08.510 --> 04:14:13.729
dealership, would they know who you are? Absolutely,

04:14:13.729 --> 04:14:18.549
sir. We registered with them yesterday. All right.

04:14:18.610 --> 04:14:21.370
Well, let's put this to the test. I'm going to

04:14:21.370 --> 04:14:24.090
three -way you and we're going to call the Chrysler

04:14:24.090 --> 04:14:29.010
dealership right now. And then as you're getting

04:14:29.010 --> 04:14:40.670
ready to click over, click. Uh -huh. Where'd

04:14:40.670 --> 04:14:58.950
that son of a bitch go off to? Yeah. How do we...

04:14:58.950 --> 04:15:02.770
Well, I think... Well, I don't know if, you know,

04:15:02.850 --> 04:15:06.940
incognito might help with that. Because these

04:15:06.940 --> 04:15:10.659
places just mail random places, right? So they're

04:15:10.659 --> 04:15:12.319
not necessarily targeting you. That's what it

04:15:12.319 --> 04:15:19.479
seems like. No, I mean, it's just they probably

04:15:19.479 --> 04:15:23.319
just go based on some of the random stuff they

04:15:23.319 --> 04:15:25.280
have in public records and they just send these

04:15:25.280 --> 04:15:29.280
things out. Yeah, I think that's just it. What

04:15:29.280 --> 04:15:32.569
a waste of money. I know. If I were going to

04:15:32.569 --> 04:15:35.270
do that, I'd be doing that crap by email. It

04:15:35.270 --> 04:15:39.610
doesn't cost me anything. Right. Oh, but then,

04:15:39.829 --> 04:15:42.229
but see, the thing is, if you do it by email,

04:15:42.469 --> 04:15:45.250
that's immediately going to raise red flags for

04:15:45.250 --> 04:15:52.690
some people. Who's been around for a while. Right.

04:15:53.049 --> 04:15:58.370
But whether it's deserved or not, stuff that

04:15:58.370 --> 04:16:01.649
comes as snail mail. I think, unfortunately,

04:16:01.870 --> 04:16:04.930
is viewed as more official and more legitimate

04:16:04.930 --> 04:16:08.229
by a lot of people, even if it's not. I agree.

04:16:09.209 --> 04:16:11.790
Uh -huh. And that's what they're banking on,

04:16:11.870 --> 04:16:17.969
I believe. I agree. Uh -huh. You do not talk

04:16:17.969 --> 04:16:22.129
about this anymore on this show. That's right.

04:16:22.750 --> 04:16:26.010
Public Safety Crime Center is a legitimate organization.

04:16:26.229 --> 04:16:33.760
We want to help customers. I wonder if we could

04:16:33.760 --> 04:16:40.219
do a... So a Google search or a DuckDuckGo search

04:16:40.219 --> 04:16:44.079
or one of them basically turned up Reddit stuff

04:16:44.079 --> 04:16:51.059
about this? There's no, like, legitimate... I

04:16:51.059 --> 04:16:55.399
think there might have been a website, but...

04:16:55.399 --> 04:17:07.579
I wonder if the GPT... Of everything. It seems.

04:17:08.819 --> 04:17:18.760
Would know. Shooted a picture of the, if you

04:17:18.760 --> 04:17:23.440
still have it, of the piece of mail. I sadly

04:17:23.440 --> 04:17:29.760
don't, but. And. Six to one, top of the eighth

04:17:29.760 --> 04:17:33.239
inning. Or bottom of the eighth inning. Oh, great.

04:17:34.620 --> 04:17:39.440
3 .34 p .m. 3 .35 p .m. Screen lock. 3 .35 p

04:17:39.440 --> 04:17:43.819
.m. Notification. MLB. What I was going to say

04:17:43.819 --> 04:17:52.920
was take a picture of that thing. Shove it up.

04:17:53.799 --> 04:18:02.809
Chat GPT's ass. I swear, it's got all of those

04:18:02.809 --> 04:18:05.290
emails that I've gotten through the years, and

04:18:05.290 --> 04:18:07.270
it's been able to tell me about every single

04:18:07.270 --> 04:18:15.510
one of them. Yeah, that's totally impressive.

04:18:16.729 --> 04:18:21.930
And let it tell you if this is legitimate or

04:18:21.930 --> 04:18:27.790
not. I did that with one of the text messages

04:18:27.790 --> 04:18:32.079
that I got. And it was actually a legitimate

04:18:32.079 --> 04:18:34.399
-looking text message, and it was able to verify

04:18:34.399 --> 04:18:49.760
that. So... That's what I'd do. Yeah. Ah. Okay.

04:18:49.940 --> 04:18:53.440
Well, it does actually have something about them.

04:18:57.000 --> 04:19:00.899
So... It could be phishing, but it could also

04:19:00.899 --> 04:19:03.739
just be very, very shady marketing because the

04:19:03.739 --> 04:19:08.059
very first thing it says, the Public Safety Crime

04:19:08.059 --> 04:19:12.420
Center, often abbreviated PSCC, is a relatively

04:19:12.420 --> 04:19:17.020
new private company focused on crime prevention

04:19:17.020 --> 04:19:21.819
rather than a government agency or police department.

04:19:22.020 --> 04:19:26.200
But they're trying to impersonate one. Clearly.

04:19:26.500 --> 04:19:33.750
Seven to one. I believe we're still bottom of

04:19:33.750 --> 04:19:48.690
the eighth. We are. Let's talk about this in

04:19:48.690 --> 04:19:56.450
several weeks. Maybe this will be our first segment.

04:19:56.959 --> 04:20:05.059
I'd be interested more in this. So save that

04:20:05.059 --> 04:20:08.399
and turn that into a document, and maybe I can

04:20:08.399 --> 04:20:12.020
turn that into Braille so we can discuss it.

04:20:15.180 --> 04:20:17.319
There should be a copy button if you're using

04:20:17.319 --> 04:20:25.879
the web. Put it on your clipboard. If you're

04:20:25.879 --> 04:20:31.579
using the phone, you'll use your phone. Oh, yeah,

04:20:31.579 --> 04:20:34.879
there is. There is. Copy response. I see it right

04:20:34.879 --> 04:20:38.479
there. Yep. Do that. Yep. Paste it somewhere.

04:20:38.559 --> 04:20:47.760
Edit it to your liking and drop it to me. All

04:20:47.760 --> 04:21:04.280
right. I'm approaching ending time. Yeah, I was

04:21:04.280 --> 04:21:07.959
going to say... Because 4 .30 is going to come

04:21:07.959 --> 04:21:12.440
real quick. Yeah, yeah. Understood. For sure.

04:21:12.799 --> 04:21:18.840
And for the record, we don't want your ass kicked

04:21:18.840 --> 04:21:23.139
on the way down. So, as always, thank you for

04:21:23.139 --> 04:21:26.639
everything, Jared. I'm going to go ahead and...

04:21:27.309 --> 04:21:34.129
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at. Please let us know by sending an email with

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or tech. That's T -E -C -H at M -E -N -V -I dot

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O -R -G. Thanks, resources, for all you do to

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put the information out so we can share what

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you and others have to say in this industry.

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Thank you for listening to the Security Box.

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This is Jared Reimer. We hope you enjoyed today's

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program. And we hope to see you again on another

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edition of the program next time. We would like

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to thank the following affiliates for airing

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our program. The main network, 98 .6 The Mix

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on the independent channel. If you are airing

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and you would like us to give you credit for

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airing our program, please contact me. I would

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like to do my best to... Make sure that all affiliates

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get credit for airing the program. Please feel

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free to contact me using the contact information

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given during the program. It is open to all listeners,

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no matter what network you're listening on. Stay

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tuned for a few tracks on the independent artist

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side to round out the podcast. See you next week.

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And thanks again for listening.