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The Security Box, podcast 227. What the hell is going on with LifeLock? Recorded Wednesday, February 19th, 2025.
Hello everybody. Welcome to the Security Box. This is program number 227.
Who do you know has access to your data? Probably more companies than you can count.
On this edition of the podcast, we are going to talk about this very topic because on TV, this was the question of a 30 minute paid program on a&E and other TV channels.
We'll have news, notes, the landscape, the topic which is supposed to answer this question being LifeLock,
who is supposed to help you with making sure that your data stays in the proper hands, i.e. out of the hands of the actors that pilfer your data.
And if it does get out and things happen, they will apparently fix it. So the 30 minute program states.
Now we will play this 30 minute program right after we do news, notes, the landscape, trivia questions, and other odds and ends.
We'll talk about LifeLock and the various plans and things that they offer. We'll talk about what we've heard before.
But yet, do you think LifeLock is going to work for you? That's for you to decide after you hear all of this.
Other segments will include a very interesting statistical package that came through SANS, which did tout their courses.
But I was more wanting to cover the statistical stuff. You can visit SANS to learn more about their courses.
We are going to talk about something very interesting in regards to Mars Hydro.
And of course, the Have I Been Pwned? update, which we recorded on February 16th.
So please sit back, relax, and learn as the Security Box Program 227,
which was recorded on February 19th, 2025, is coming right up.
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The Security Box with Jared Reimer on KK and X.
Welcome everybody to the Security Box.
For those on the stream, you're probably wondering why did you start with that commercial?
Well, that's our topic today.
And you're going to find out what this is really about.
As today, what the hell is up with LifeLock?
Let's go ahead and get team talk on the air.
And I actually never heard that commercial actually until I went looking for it.
The program you're going to hear between this file and our actual rundown of LifeLock was interesting enough.
I started to check out another version of this program, which was better done than the one that I tried to take because of course it's coming from my phone.
But we're going to keep with that version because that one wasn't the same as the one I taped.
And the quality is okay.
I'm unfortunately going to have to step out for a minute.
Okay.
But I will keep it on over here.
Okay.
So,
this is definitely
going to be a very interesting show.
So,
let's start with last week's trivia.
And yes, I even participated through the Saturday show.
What is the percentage of spam text messages going out each year?
This is a percent.
And the hint that we gave you was that it was over 100%.
Joseph guessed 200.
Nick guessed 175.
Preston guessed 400.
And I guessed 145.
Now this isn't going to be about right or wrong because
we know the influx of text messages these days
are going to go up in the amount of spam, so this would not surprise me one bit
if it actually reached some of the numbers that everybody guessed.
So I will say that there is no wrong answer.
We'll just have to wait and see.
The answer that we were looking for, because this was Terry's question,
based off of a Kim Commando newsletter,
150%.
So everybody's right in their own way and we'll see if this number ends up growing,
which I suspect it will.
Interesting.
It wouldn't surprise me if it was 200% in the next six months.
Maybe 300 to 400% within the next year.
It probably won't surprise me.
So everybody's right in their own way.
I'm not going to tell you you're wrong because right now this is where we are
and we'll see where we are in due time.
I do have somebody here today, so excuse any background racket going on.
I have two questions today.
And since Nick has stepped away, he can answer these a little bit later on
or submit his guesses to me.
And I will pick those up after the program because my phone's on Do Not Disturb at the moment.
Let's start.
Well, before we do that, Preston Gaylor's on the way,
so we'll wait just a moment.
Here comes Preston.
Howdy.
Hello. Hello, Jared. Hello, everyone. I made it.
Hello. You did make it.
And we just went through the trivia.
The answer we were looking for was 150%, but each person's right in their own way
because the number we know is going to go up.
And it wouldn't surprise me in six months to a year that we see some of the numbers that have been guessed.
So everybody is right in their own way.
Yes, there you go. Good stuff, everyone. Good stuff.
So now let's start with LastPass.
According to a recent tweet on Twitter, what password can be cracked in characters?
I'll tell you what I want in a minute.
So according to a recent tweet on Twitter, what password can be cracked in characters in two seconds?
So there is a number of characters. It's not characters.
It is a certain number of characters that I'm looking for that can now be cracked in two seconds.
OK, gotcha. OK. Is there anything you can give us?
It is somewhere between one and ten.
OK, I'm going to take a guess and say maybe five, I'm thinking.
OK, all right. Anybody else?
Ready for my guess?
Yes.
I go with six.
You both are close. I'm not giving answers till next week, but you you both are close.
All right.
Now let's move on to our second question.
What is going on here?
That's why phone I didn't tell you.
You guys are close.
All right. Question from an article being read. So I read an article and this came from another
from from from an article from a newsletter. What three letter TLD?
So I'm looking for a three letter top level domain is now being used in attacks that now deal with fake invoices
and getting people to give up their credit card numbers.
We will start with Preston.
OK, I believe we're looking for a CMD.
All right. I will take that as your guess.
Joseph, what do you think? It's a T. It's a three letter TLD.
It is not a common TLD.
It is one that was once covered during Adobe in 2022.
When they were targeted in very specific attacks.
In fact, a lot of the TLDs besides the common ones are more known for spam.
But I'll give you an opportunity to guess on
what you think it is. Some TLDs that might not be familiar to you could be CFD, top mom, my well, my two characters.
But I've seen spam coming through there.
Yeah, I'm guessing. Let's see.
Let's see.
Well, you could include dot shop because like SHO there would be, you know, like a peculiar domain.
Right. So we're looking through it for a three letter TLD that has been used.
It's actually not that common. It's and I don't know who actually owns it.
But it's one that is definitely not too familiar.
Is there any any kind of subtlety you can give in this one or not?
That's pretty much all I can give you.
In that case, I'll go if I don't go with the same one that that was guessed earlier.
Yeah, I'll go with this too.
I'm not familiar with TLDs, honestly, so that's why I want to go with his guess too.
OK, fair enough. Fair enough.
This was actually in the newsletter yesterday or on Monday that came out through malware bytes.
All right. We'll let Nick come in when he becomes available if he would like to participate in the contest.
I need the right folder to put the right copy of the answer sheet.
There we go.
Um, Preston.
Yeah.
Talk to us about what we are going to play next week on this very show.
So at the end of January, I got to attend a identity theft and scams webinar with the Pennsylvania Assistive Technology Foundation.
We got to meet with our state attorney general with scams and identity.
He does all this stuff.
So basically, we pretty much go over, you know, what we cover here a lot regarding virtual cards, tool text, different scams and what to do about it.
And.
OK, I found my connection dropped. But anyway, it's a good.
Hour and a half.
And I wanted to contribute to this program because I know, you know, it's in the core of our blood that we get the information out there.
So, again, it's it's from the. That's basically this technology foundation and.
And I'll get you to guys name so you can learn more if you want.
But it's from our attorney general here in the state with the partner, Vankie.
So we'll play that next week because we're jam packed today.
That's fine with me. So beyond the here out, ladies and gentlemen.
Now.
Let's check on.
The news.
Yes, good idea.
And.
Are we surprised that a new actor who I've talked about in the past, who I would have never trusted to begin with is now at it again, trusting. I mean, I'm going after those who are.
Using Microsoft specific products.
Oh, yeah, I'm definitely not.
This particular one actually does evade antivirus and does a good job with it.
Yes, every duty job, I must say.
So, yep, I don't think surprise.
Yeah, me neither.
So I took a look at this one. X has now decided to block.
Signal dot me and signal dot me is mainly used as a share point for signal users to send out contact information.
So if you go to signal dot me in your web browser, you're going to find basically information about what it is and links to sign up and things.
And so it's a it's a valid domain.
And Twitter's now blocking this because they're saying that the that these links are spam.
And let's not remind you of the fact that when all of us bailed Twitter, they went ahead and blocked basically the competition Facebook mastodon
and possibly others,
which then led the backlash.
So I assume that those people who use signal are going to give them a hard time.
And they're just going to have a bunch of fun.
Yep. Good luck.
That's what I say. Yeah. So good luck with that.
Right.
I would collect email address and I would send I would send that link through email. I wouldn't even use something like Twitter to give out my signal info if I had it.
Yeah.
Or text. I mean, the whole point, the whole point would be to give this link out instead of exchanging phone numbers.
And I get it. But I wouldn't use Twitter for that.
Yeah.
Okay. Hey, Jared, can I podge it for a second? I found the speakers for the webinar we're going to play next week was in my email.
So, yes, please do. I kind of do remember this. But go ahead.
Okay. So basically, what you're going to hear is Karen has it from the Pennsylvania Institute of Technology Foundation, then David P.
Joe Cross, director of senior protection, P. of the Attorney General. So just in case if anybody needs to get back or wants to hear this again, it's going to be identity victims.
January 29, 2025, according to the report by the jobless drive-through research, 15 million Americans were victims of a credential identity fraud in 2023.
In this webinar, we're going to go over identity theft tactics, theft to protect yourself from scams and theft, and emerging unreported identity theft.
So, yes, very good. Half an hour. So be on the air next week.
I can't wait to check it out. I might try and give that a listen when I travel.
Tomorrow. That works. Yes, it was definitely very informative.
Microsoft to discontinue location services never should have enabled it to begin with. I think that's a good thing. Good riddance.
Yes. I'm surprised Terry's not here because he was the one that talked about this on Saturday. Chase to deny or block Zelle payments first through social media contacts.
My question is, how do you know that it's a social media contact and not a, you know, contact otherwise?
Because now social media, you know, asks for your info. And so they have all of your contacts anyway. So you just once you accept a friend, it's added to your contact list.
How are they going to know? Local versus long distance.
Right. Maybe. And by the way, I, like I said, I came back and wanted to throw out a few guesses for the trivia questions.
Okay. Give me a, give me a set on that.
2025 please.
Podcast 227
And Nick, go ahead, please.
Alright. So in terms of the number of characters for a password that can be cracked in what did I think you said? Two seconds. Two seconds. I'm going to go with nine.
Nine. Okay. Nine characters. Yes.
And what is the answer to your second one?
I'm actually going to go with one that we don't see a lot of dot zip.
Zip. That's a good one.
Okay.
We will find out who is correct. And if anyone who wants to participate, they may call 888-405-7524-818-527-4754 and leave a voicemail.
Give me your name or the name you want to go by and your answers.
By the way, I think we have the same kind of washing machine. Yours makes the same tone as mine does.
Yes, that's, that's a good possibility.
That is a good possibility.
Okay.
If you're a gamer, be on the lookout for a version of Pirate-Fi.
Yeah, because you're, you're going to get a little more than you probably asked for.
Quite a bit more.
And Nick, what country, what country is added again with continual hacking of providers?
Hmm. I just know it can't be China, could it?
If I remember correctly, that answer is yes.
That's my point. I read it and I know exactly where you were going.
Cyber criminals may be using your AI model and you may be flipping the bill.
Oh yes. And what they may be doing with your AI model may not necessarily be legal.
Did you see the one guy who's paying like a couple of bucks a month and all of a sudden it was like, it just skyrocketed.
And then it was like 1500. He's like, the hell's going on here?
Right.
Now the company did fix his bill and, but yeah, that's going to be a problem.
Okay. So this has got to be the stupidest thing I'd have to write up. The government of, what is this?
Yeah. The department of governmental efficiency website defaced question mark. This is, this is a website called dog.gov.
And apparently they doesn't even have basic security in place.
That's what I was going to say. Apparently they do not have any basic security.
Talk about, talk about governmental efficiency and somebody running it and wanting to basically disband a lot of it.
They just put it together, put no security in place and called it good.
That's about right.
We have an outer band 18.3.1 X. I want to say X cause I don't know what this actually is.
That fixes some pretty serious security stuff.
Something I'd actually never, something I'd actually never heard of before with this USB protection mode. Never knew that was even there.
I knew that was there. I plugged my phone into my computer one day and it said, you need to allow your device to use the computer. And basically if your device is, is locked for more than an hour and you plug it into the computer, that's how that works.
And as part of, and no Nick, you can't change your answer.
But I can tell you that two of you, two of you got it correct. We might as well talk about this now instead of waiting till next week. What do you think?
Might as well. Yeah.
So apparently Etsy is having some growing pains.
And if you read the article, you'll understand that actors are coming up with Etsy type domains and giving you, you know, the, the particulars like, you know, something's up with your account or something's up with this purchase or what have you and pointing you to an, an Etsy domain ending
in CFD.
Oh man.
All of the TLG's listed in that article are all CFDs.
Reminder of the 2022 Adobe issue where CFD was also used.
So there is your answer.
Wow, cool. To that trivia question.
But we might as well talk about it because it made the news. It's, it's pretty big.
Etsy is basically a shop
that allows you to buy things.
And they, and the actors have a ton of these.
What's that, Prest?
It's sort of like Shopify.
Where you can create on the website.
Yeah, it is. It is like Shopify. It would be more like a storefront where you can buy things.
And they run it for you.
So
that is where we are.
Now Nick,
welcome to the Android app.
Phishing evolves beyond email.
Yeah.
This one now makes our iOS versus Android debates
at 22,827
to 10.
Never even heard of football score that awful.
Whoa, I know.
Now I wasn't initially going to count this on our records because we don't really have a list of apps, but
22,000 applications that
I don't remember now what this is.
Hold on.
That are basically acting like phishing tools.
And these apps will bypass your MFA solution.
I would read this if I were you guys.
All right, Nick.
Device code phishing.
Not really something that I had heard a lot about either.
Yeah.
Of course, Pano S is now
in a heap of trouble. They're scrambling authentication bypass.
Yes, and I figured out what that was. And yeah, Palo Alto networks.
They're they are the ones responsible for that program.
How about sandworm
and seashell? Oh, seashell Blizzard. Yes.
And this wonderfully named campaign they have bad pilot, very bad pilot.
Bad, bad, bad.
Yeah.
So there are some of the items that we've blogged throughout the week besides TSB.
Of course, Windows Update. If you haven't done so already, I would highly
recommend it. Lots of zero days.
And I was actually thinking the app V story that I heard you discussing that
may potentially be a good topic because, hey, if they discover it works,
what's to stop other cyber criminals from using that?
And that was the one where is that the one is that's the two factor authentication
bypass story, right? No, that's the Chinese
hacking groups have discovered a way to to evade the antivirus solutions and
the way the virus. OK, OK, that one. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Is there anything else before you hear now the story on why we're going to be
covering LifeLock?
That's about it. I think so for me as well.
Joseph, is there anything that you have read that we have not covered that you
think that the listenership should know about if you've read anything?
I can't think of anything at the moment.
OK, then the podcast is going to cover the about 30 minute program, which we
found on any.
I actually saw this when listening to a different program and I was looking at
the schedule and the program was titled Who has access to your data?
And since it was an early morning program, I I had then bought the DVR.
And so I take it and watched it.
And then I thought. This has got to be.
Our topic one day.
And it continues to be played between A&E and other channels throughout
Spectrum's network.
And let me just say that it's not Spectrum's responsibility, although they
really should be vounding these programs for authenticity.
Oh, found some more stuff.
What about our topic today?
I found something else to add. We will get to that.
It's it's older. It's definitely not recent, but it's something, unfortunately,
that I think people might want to know.
OK.
Then we'll definitely talk about it.
And.
Maybe as part of the show notes, I should link to some of these video, at least
to this other 28 minute video that I found that has a similar nature as what
you're going to be hearing today. But.
Maybe not. Maybe I'll just let people search this out and make their own
decisions, because this is.
This is bad. This is as bad as a company could get.
I think.
But we're going to try and stay neutral. We're going to try.
I can't promise we'll be neutral by shows in, but we'll try.
Gentlemen, we will now play for the podcast.
The 30 minute file, I will be introducing what you're going to hear and then
you're going to hear that program. You're going to hear me ask what you think.
Of course, you have the right to have your opinion.
And if you want your opinions aired, we will play them on the next available
program.
I do have a four hour time limit. However, as you've seen on this podcast,
we've gone five. So it's a it's a soft limit.
And that's OK by me. It's getting the information out that's more important
than a time limit.
Yes, indeed.
So let's do this.
Let's go ahead and play that 30 minute file. I'll call it 30 minutes, but it may
be a little over a little under.
By the way, we do have some other files.
I might as well mention them.
Actually, I can do it better this way. I can do better this way.
Because all of the files
are on the drive, which is really what I didn't want. But that's OK.
It's going to help me out now.
So number one, which is coming up next, who has access to your data?
Number two is sans and interesting statistical stuff.
I found some very interesting statistical items
of interest from one of their emails they sent in regards to their courses.
But you'll find that out later on in the program.
Number three, Mars Hydro. Have we talked about Mars Hydro before?
No, no.
Well, it's found number three in your list.
It came from Kim Commando's newsletter.
File number four is the Have I Been Pwned update for February 16th.
And file number five is the LifeLock Marketing Fail.
And there's a vertical bar that says,
Arrogant LifeLock CEO gets his identity stolen 13 times.
And that'll be the final file you hear today.
So those will be files you'll hear later on.
But first, let's find out who owns your data
and why they're telling LifeLock as a solution.
And then after you hear that, we're going to get into why we think
LifeLock's just up to no good and has been so since the original CEO got caught.
This is the security box.
This is program number 227.
And this is the Jared Reimer radio network.
Who has access to your personal data?
Listen.
We actually taped this once before.
But we want you to think about this and see what you think.
We'll actually do a discussion as well based on information that we have found
and highlighted and will be highlighting in this TSB program that you are listening to this on.
So here we go.
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Am I going to be on the hook for $75,000? Yeah, it's quite possible.
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Your Social Security number, nine digits that prove to the world that you are you. If your nine digits fall into the wrong hands, there's almost no limit to the damage criminals can do with it.
Good thing yours is completely random and impossible to guess, right? I'm here with Brian Seely, a leading expert in cyber crime, to find out.
Brian, depending on which state you were born in and the year, I could potentially have your first five digits of your Social Security number so fast it'll make your head spin.
It's that simple. Say I know you were born in Delaware.
That leaves me with two possible guesses for the first three digits of your social, 221 or 222.
Now, if I know your birth year is 1971, add 44 to that. And now we've got the first five numbers.
Really? It's that easy? It's that easy. And what's left?
The last four, the ones that we're most commonly asked for.
You won't put up a fight to give me your last four if I have any sort of legitimate reason to ask.
Right. To say doctor's office or some form I have to fill out, an application, dentists, anything.
And the key to this is blind trust, that you're giving it to the right person.
What if I could be the right person and I can call your wife right now as you and get her to confirm the last four of her social?
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And the scariest part, cyber criminals are already doing this and the technology is getting better every day.
Hi honey, how's the shoot going?
Hey honey, the shoot's going really well. Everyone's great.
Very, very busy and I've been on hold with someone from ****. I think I messed up the last four of your social.
Can you tell me what those are?
31 years of marriage and you still don't remember?
I am sorry. If you can confirm the last four, I can get back with her and be done with this.
Okay, okay. Well, last four digits are ****.
Thanks honey, we'll talk soon.
That's really incredible. It's scary, it's shocking and I would imagine most people have no idea that this is actually possible.
It's basically out of our control as ordinary citizens to protect ourselves and that's why people need lifeline.
Absolutely.
My information was in a lot more places than I realized.
Somehow these thieves obtained my social security, they obtained my bank account number. These people are experts.
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When I opened my mail and I had a check from LifeLock, I just started crying. That kind of money at my age is irreplaceable. They made me whole.
There's a victim of identity theft every three seconds.
I was on the hook for a $75,000 loan I didn't take out. Someone used my social security number to get a $9,000 tax return in my name.
Hospitals, accountants, retailers, insurance companies, government agencies, they all have access to your information. Do they protect it as well as you do?
I felt so secure, but it wasn't enough.
If you discovered a criminal drained your bank account or retirement savings, who will you turn to for help?
The bank didn't help me. The police department didn't help me. It was LifeLock who had my back on all this.
LifeLock alerts you to the widest volume of threats others could miss. Like someone trying to use your social security number, open a new loan in your name, or even drain your investment accounts.
The alerts I get from LifeLock are super simple. Was this you? Yes or no?
Alerts are critical, but they're only the beginning. Yet many services stop there, leaving you to try to fix the problem and get your money back alone.
With LifeLock, if you discover your identity is compromised, you'll have a dedicated U.S.-based identity restoration specialist who knows the steps to take and calls to make to fix issues on your behalf guaranteed.
Whether it's proving your innocence to financial institutions or government agencies, or providing step-by-step assistance, they are your advocate from the first alert to the final resolution.
There's somebody there that's trying to really genuinely help you.
Plus, all LifeLock members are backed by the LifeLock Million Dollar Protection Package, including reimbursement for stolen funds up to the limit of your plan, coverage for personal expenses, and coverage for lawyers and experts up to $1 million.
The $110,000 of my money was gone, and LifeLock made me whole.
Call 1-800-985-6881 or go to LifeLock.com slash My 35 now to get LifeLock protection for just $9.99 a month for your first year.
And if you call now, you'll get 35% off your first year on any annual plan and ask about LifeLock's 60-day money back guarantee.
Your membership includes Identity Monitoring and Alerts, a dedicated U.S.-based identity restoration specialist who will work on your behalf to resolve your case guaranteed, and the LifeLock Million Dollar Protection Package, including reimbursement for stolen funds up to the limits of your plan.
I needed someone to be in my corner to help protect me, because my identity is linked to my whole family's.
Try LifeLock for up to 60 days, and if you're not satisfied, we'll give you a full refund. Call 1-800-985-6881 and use promo code MY35 or go to LifeLock.com slash My 35 to join today.
I hope it never happens again, but if it does, I feel confident that we have LifeLock.
It's time to protect yourself. Call 1-800-985-6881 or go to LifeLock.com slash My 35 right now. Call 1-800-985-6881.
I did everything right, but an institution that had my data didn't, and my identity was stolen.
Like many former students, Erica's personal information was on a university-owned computer.
They said that they had disposed of some computers with student data, and they hadn't wiped them.
Her problem started shortly after. She just had her offer approved on her dream home.
And you were approved for the loan to buy it, and then...
They said, I'm sorry, but your credit has changed, and we can't approve the loan. My credit had dropped off significantly, over 300 points.
But losing the house quickly became a distant memory, as the situation got even worse.
I got a call from a bank asking me to verify to open up another account with them. They said, I don't have any accounts with you.
And they're like, you've come in with your ID and signed and had a co-signer sign, and you have these two accounts.
It was shocking how much these criminals could do with my personal information.
And the police said that they're very good at creating documents so that they can go further, because with a bank account, they can open up more things. They can get more loans.
And once that happens, it really spirals quickly. They went into another bank and got a loan in my name and walked out with the money.
And that loan was how much? $30,000. So what happened next? My own accounts had to be shut down and locked.
So I couldn't access my own money for bills or grocery shopping or paying rent, because they had identity documents.
So if they find out where you bank, they can drain your accounts. The fees become legitimate, and you become a victim.
Yes. All of a sudden, you have a flood of credit that's been opened in your name, and then it's too late because there's nothing you can do.
Identity theft can put your most valuable assets at risk.
Earlier, Patricia said LifeLock reimbursed her over $81,000 when a thief stole from her retirement savings.
But you didn't hear about her LifeLock restoration specialist, Will.
He fought on her behalf for a full year to make her whole, and LifeLock gave her the chance to meet him.
Will, oh my gosh, you're kidding me. You were my lifesaver.
Will, you remember the first conversation you had with Patricia about her case?
She was stressed, overwhelmed. I just informed her and kind of set the expectations of what she could expect and hopefully try to alleviate a lot of that stress.
He brought a very calming effect to me. You just feel like there's somebody there that's trying to really genuinely help you.
Patricia's bank reimbursed her over $30,000. That's a lot of money, but nothing compared to the $81,000 they refused to pay. Good thing she had LifeLock and Will.
The bank said, yeah, this is fraud, but we're not going to reimburse you.
We went through every single transaction. I mean, there was hundreds of them, I think, and just trying to show them that we've taken every possible step.
In the end, thanks to Will's hard work and LifeLock's million dollar protection package, Patricia got a check that made her whole.
I got all my money back. My life was restored. And if I hadn't had LifeLock, it would have been over $81,000 that I would never have recovered.
Hackers and cyber criminals keep finding new ways to steal identities, and the crimes they commit in innocent people's names go far beyond credit card fraud.
They got a $30,000 loan in my name and I was never notified by the lender.
They can take over your investment accounts, open loans, or even commit crimes in your name, and you might not find out until the damage is almost impossible to fix.
They faked a driver's license and were able to take out a $75,000 auto loan in my husband's name.
No wonder 80% of victims didn't find out from their bank or credit card company. The issues are so much bigger than just credit card fraud.
The threats are serious, and if you're a victim, you need to know as soon as possible.
The alerts I get from LifeLock are super simple. Was this you? Yes or no?
Early notice is important, but action is critical. Yet many services only offer the alerts, leaving you to try to fix the problem and get your money back alone.
That's why millions of Americans trust LifeLock, the leader in identity theft protection, to help them fix the problem.
My restoration specialists will ped my back on this all the way to the end.
With LifeLock, if you're a victim of identity theft, you'll have a dedicated U.S.-based identity restoration specialist on your side.
They know the steps to take and calls to make to fix issues on your behalf guaranteed.
We are experts at what we do. When we call on your behalf, the name LifeLock packs a punch.
Plus, all LifeLock members are backed by the LifeLock million-dollar protection package, including reimbursement for stolen funds up to the limit of your plan,
coverage for personal expenses, and coverage for lawyers and experts up to $1 million. Call 1-800-985-6881.
Or go to LifeLock.com slash My35 now to get LifeLock protection for just $9.99 a month for your first year.
And if you call now, you'll get 35% off your first year on any annual plan and ask about LifeLock's 60-day money-back guarantee.
Your membership includes identity monitoring and alerts, a dedicated U.S.-based identity restoration specialist who will work on your behalf to resolve your case guaranteed,
and the LifeLock million-dollar protection package, including reimbursement for stolen funds up to the limits of your plan.
So much of my personal information is out of my control. LifeLock is on my side to help me fix the issue. It gives me a lot of comfort.
Try LifeLock for up to 60 days, and if you're not satisfied, we'll give you a full refund. Call 1-800-985-6881.
And use promo code MY35, or go to LifeLock.com slash My35 to join today. Call 1-800-985-6881.
Or go to LifeLock.com slash My35 right now. Call 1-800-985-6881.
Someone stole my Social Security number and filed a tax return in my name.
This is Kurt, a successful business executive and CPA. He did all the right things to protect his personal information, and it still didn't matter.
I changed my passwords all the time. I shred my documents, and I locked my documents up. So I thought I was bulletproof, honestly.
What's the feeling of violation that comes with having someone steal your identity?
It was like someone came into my house and stole something. The whole act of it was insidious.
It took Kurt four frustrating and stressful years of fighting with the IRS to begin to correct the damage and prove his identity. And he's a CPA.
I kept getting bounced around, having to tell my story over and over again to each new person that I had to talk to.
I was frustrated. I was overwhelmed. And I felt so alone.
Did you wonder and worry about what other things might be coming down the pipe related to this?
Absolutely. Is someone going to take out a loan in my name or buy a car in my name and then totally ruin my credit?
And that's one of the main reasons I got LifeLock in the first place.
What was your mindset about not letting this happen to you again?
Oh, I was adamant.
His only regret is not getting LifeLock sooner.
I know that if my information gets out there, I'm going to know about it. It gives me a lot of comfort.
Where Kurt was left to pick up the pieces on his own, Steve was already a LifeLock member when someone tried to steal his identity.
And LifeLock helped him fix the issue immediately.
Someone was trying to take an account out in my name. I got an alert from LifeLock.
I pressed the no button. That wasn't me. And before I knew it, it was handled and taken care of.
I didn't have to do anything.
If you didn't have LifeLock, someone would have opened an account in your name and you wouldn't have known it until it was too late.
That's scary when you think about how easily this kind of stuff occurs.
LifeLock doesn't just protect Steve's identity. It also monitors his home type. It's critical coverage of his most important asset.
After I put my deed in a trust, I got a notification from LifeLock verifying that it was me.
I can't even imagine what it would be like if your title was stolen and you didn't have anybody backing you.
If you care about protecting your assets, LifeLock is a must.
No matter how careful we are, our information is unfortunately outside of our control.
I'm here with Brian Seeley, a world-renowned hacker, veteran US Marine, and an authority on the ever-changing world of cybercrime.
Brian, my security is better than ever. I check my accounts daily, monitor my credit, I use two-factor authentication.
I should be good, right?
Unfortunately, no. You've given copies of all of your personal information in one way, shape, or form to dozens, if not hundreds of companies and government agencies.
And hackers are going after it by going after the employees of those companies.
What's one of the new ways that hackers are getting into corporate information?
It's QR codes, which we use every day, all the time.
If you looked on any search engine, data breach, QR code, QR code used in phishing attack on major corporations, there are more articles than you can read.
Check your email. I just sent you the same type of email that was successful in breaching a major corporation.
It says my login will expire soon. I need to update my credentials. It's asking me to scan this QR code below with my phone.
OK, scanned it. Didn't see anything happen.
That's kind of the point. You have no idea that there was a virus on that QR code that gave the hacker access to your corporate device.
And they're inside my corporation's database now.
And they're off and running. And innocent people's information is vulnerable.
So, Brian, it's not enough for me to do the right things. I need every employee at every company that has all of my information to do the right thing all the time.
Let me make this very, very clear. You could do nothing wrong.
Be 100 percent perfect about all of your security and still lose everything because someone hacked someone else that controlled another copy of your data.
But you can't give up. You have to protect yourself. And that's where LifeLock comes in.
I don't think I could have said it any better.
I never thought I'd be a target. I really thought I was being vigilant and cautious.
While Kim was enjoying a much needed vacation, she could have never imagined what awaited her back home.
Dozens of past due notices on her doorstep for a loan she never took out.
Someone had stolen her identity and used it to secure a $48,000 loan in her name.
Somebody had gained access to all of my personal information.
They then obtained a duplicate of my driver's license and then they proceeded to turn my life upside down.
They went online and it was as easy as putting my information in there and having the duplicate ID delivered to their home.
That gave them access to walk into the bank, pose as me and sign the dotted line for a $48,000 loan.
I was concerned about my family. I was raising teenagers. I was working. It was like a full-time job.
I had a ton of anxiety over what might happen next.
And they're invisible. They're like a ghost.
They're a ghost and they have control of your life.
The final straw came when Kim noticed that the scammers had rerouted her mail to their mailbox.
And at that moment, I knew that if that mail reached them, they had access to far more than just my banking accounts, my insurance, my medical, my family's information.
And that's when I signed up for LifeLock. I know it will happen again. My information is out there.
The thieves will come back and try again.
And this time I know that I have a team of people that can help me and I don't have to do this alone.
There's a victim of identity theft every three seconds.
They use this fake driver's license with my information on it to take out a $75,000 loan.
And in 2022 alone, over $29 billion was stolen from victims.
$110,000 of my hard-earned money gone.
If a thief could use your identity to open a loan in your name, you'd want to know about it as early as possible.
But just checking your bank statements and credit reports isn't enough to catch everything anymore.
You need advanced technology and a proven team of experts.
Only LifeLock monitors hundreds of millions of data points every second to detect and alert you to more uses of your personal information.
Like someone trying to use your Social Security number, open a new loan in your name, or even drain your investment accounts.
Someone was trying to take an account out in my name. I got an alert from LifeLock.
I pressed the no button. That wasn't me. It was handled and taken care of. I didn't have to do anything.
Alerts are critical, but they're only the beginning.
Yet many services stop there, leaving you to try to fix the problem and get your money back alone.
With LifeLock, if your identity is compromised, you'll have a dedicated U.S.-based identity restoration specialist
who will work tirelessly to fix the problem guaranteed.
We are experts at what we do, and we will work with you from start to finish doing whatever it takes.
All LifeLock members are backed by the LifeLock million-dollar protection package,
including reimbursement for stolen funds up to the limit of your plan, coverage for personal expenses,
and coverage for lawyers and experts up to one million dollars.
Tens of thousands stolen. The bank didn't help me. The police department didn't help me.
It was LifeLock who had my back on all this.
Call 1-800-985-6881 or go to LifeLock.com slash My 35 now to get LifeLock protection for just $9.99 a month for your first year.
And if you call now, you'll get 35% off your first year on any annual plan
and ask about LifeLock's 60-day money back guarantee.
Your membership includes identity monitoring and alerts,
a dedicated U.S.-based identity restoration specialist who will work on your behalf to resolve your case guaranteed,
and the LifeLock million-dollar protection package, including reimbursement for stolen funds up to the limits of your plan.
I don't want someone coming along and stealing everything I have.
And with LifeLock, I feel comfortable knowing that's not going to happen.
Try LifeLock for up to 60 days, and if you're not satisfied, we'll give you a full refund.
Join the millions of people already protected by LifeLock.
I hope it never happens again, but if it does, I feel confident that we have LifeLock.
It's time to protect yourself. Call 1-800-985-6881 or go to LifeLock.com slash My 35 right now.
Call 1-800-985-6881.
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If you've never heard this before, what did you think?
Do you think they actually do a good job? What have you heard about LifeLock?
This podcast is all about LifeLock and what they may or may not be doing.
I'm not saying they're bad. I've never used them.
But let's discuss it.
And our panelists will be coming back shortly to do just that.
This is the Security Box, Program 227 across the Jared Reimer Radio Network.
The Security Box with Jared Reimer on KKNX.
Welcome back to the program, everybody. I am Jared Reimer.
What about that LifeLock story we played for you last time?
Preston Gaylor, Nick Jackson, Joseph Weeklin and myself.
It's okay if you don't participate. You can listen to the thing on the podcast and then leave your comments later.
If you want them aired, we can do that too.
We'll start with those who have heard the program.
I want to start first with Preston Gaylor.
Yeah, definitely. I mean, when I caught the program on live, all I think of ahead of myself was why the hell are we still getting ads from them?
And why did the guy give his full SS out just to be stupid and cause controversy?
So I don't know. It's just pretty much.
Wow. Wow. Moment.
That's what it is, Nick.
Wow. This is horrible what I'm looking at right now.
I mean, I remember that I saw this, but oh, this is bad.
So let's first start with some notations and these are rough. These are rough notations. Nick told me I told Nick I was going to do it rough.
So they're they may be out of order and may not even make any sense. But I tried to outline this a little bit the best I can.
Might be a little crazy, but let's just see how we do with this.
This is just some information that may be of value to a to lead the discussion of LifeLock and what they offer.
TSB will stay neutral, although we're going to try. I'm going to say we're going to try. But my goal is that we're going to stay neutral.
Budget friendly. Let's start with. So I found this after we talked about this last week where I said I couldn't find any budget friendly programs, but
the standard program offers an $11.99 per month price tag 30% of 37% off at $89.80 then $124.99 per year up to $1,050,000 coverage.
And sorry, Nick. I don't I just copied what was here. I don't know what this extra symboling is supposed to be.
It includes dark web monitoring. It has a dollar sign or no section sign. Sorry, that's a section sign. Data breach notifications, US based personal restoration specialists.
24 slash seven live member support up to $1 million for lawyers and experts up to $25,000 in stolen funds.
Reimbursement up to $25,000 in personal expense reimbursements. Identity and SSN monitoring.
Credit monitoring coverage. One Bureau three. That's what it says. I don't know what this means. Maybe it's one out of three.
So that's their first ones. Then we come to identity advisor. Again, this is rough. So there may be spelling mistakes and things.
I just spotted a something here. I don't know what I was trying to do there. Paid annually 33% off $3.33 month first year pay $39.99 today.
Renews at $49.99 a year. Paid monthly $4.99 per month up to $1,050,000 coverage.
Restoration support, dark web monitoring section sign. Data breach notifications, US based personal restoration specialists.
24 seven live member support up to $1 million for lawyers and experts up to $25,000 in stolen funds. Reimbursement up to $25,000 in personal expenses reimbursements.
Identity and SSN monitoring. Credit monitoring coverage. One Bureau three. Again, this is how it's written. I don't know what this means.
Other sections of plans include best protection, family plans and all in one. The more coverage you get, the more expensive it is.
Family starts at over $300 up to five for the first year then $700 each additional year rounding pricing.
Ultimate plus for best protection $19.99. What was this supposed to mean? I just copied this.
Okay, so I see what what happened here. $19.99 per month. No discount. Advantage is $14.99.
Bank rate plans are best for property owners, which includes a 60 day money back guarantee. Ultimate plans then say that it is $299 first year and 388 thereafter pricing rounded.
The previous $34.99 not $14.99 is stated above so I don't know what they're doing because there was something that said $14.99 and then it said $34.99 so I'm just writing it as I see it.
Up to $3 million coverage up to $1 million for lawyers and experts up to $1 million in stolen funds reimbursement up to $1 million in personal expense reimbursement.
Trans-Union Social Security number alerts credit monitoring coverage three bureaus three identity lock.
Trans-Union credit file lock and then new payday loan lock.
It says 312. I think that's 312 and that's got that weird symbol I just copy and pasted this I don't know what that means.
Phone takeover monitoring alerts on crimes committed in your name.
Buy now pay later alerts credit reports and credit scores.
One bureau unlimited.
Let's see then it says updates available daily three bureaus annual three.
401k and investment account alerts home title monitoring.
Social media monitoring.
That's it and then at the bottom I write we are not giving every single detail here but highlighting what might be offered so you can make the best decision for you.
That includes those notes.
Very rough sorry about that I tried to make sense of it but it's I don't know I don't know if I would trust them with anything seeing how and we link to this in our show notes we linked to a Krebs article from 2018 we covered talking about life lock getting owned.
With a pretty big mistake if I remember the article right isn't that right Nick.
Yeah, the one about.
Well which one because there was a one there was a Krebs article and then there was another one I'm talking about the Krebs one.
Oh yes that was just as bad as like I said what the credit viewers are guilty of. Oh my gosh.
Basically allowing email addresses to be harvested. Yeah great great great going guys.
Yeah great going. Yeah right.
So now that everybody sort of understands what I'm trying to get at with these notes. Let's talk about this company. How bad is it Nick. I only have one article, and I probably saw stuff and passed it up because I didn't really, you know, either read it or maybe I heard it somewhere else and never saw something official so
now that you're looking at things how bad is this.
In a word, awful.
Absolutely awful.
Now, I know we tried to stay neutral here and I'm sorry that I'm going to be breaking that. But one of the things I was just reading, and it was something that I thought I remembered well sure enough it is.
This is 2007 of course so it's not recent but it is certainly something that I think that anybody who might potentially want to sign up with them needs to know.
One of the founders of LifeLock has been arrested and suspected of committing identity theft against his own father.
Yes, so the case, at least what I understood of it is that American Express sued Robert Maynard, Robert Maynard, senior this is the father for $154,000.
For a credit card, you know for unpaid bills, none of which he knew about.
Well, interestingly enough, there was a form that listed in one of the bankruptcies that Robert Maynard Jr. went through.
An amount of $170,000.
Now how does that happen? Well no, that's not how it happens but the suspicion is.
It happens by receiving a text message.
Right, well no the, and this was a thing actually that I read on Wired so it wasn't like it was just some news site.
No, Wired is a tech related website. Yes, and it is unfortunately behind a subscription slash paywall but there is enough of this that you can read to know that this is trouble.
And one of the other allegations was that supposedly this company that is supposed to protect your identity was actually making unauthorized withdrawals from people's bank accounts that were going to the National Credit Foundation,
which was something that either Robert Maynard Jr. or one of his associates was running.
Yeah, that is messed up.
And I mean he may have moved on. Well obviously I think he may still be in jail but while he may have moved on this is still.
Yeah, this is just wrong. Oh and get this too. He claimed that there was a big loan I think of $16,000 that was taken out in his name for I think was from like a Las Vegas casino or something.
Turns out, based on this investigative report that the Phoenix New Times, I believe because that's where they're located. They're in Arizona. The Phoenix New Times apparently uncovered that, oh not so fast.
He was actually the one who made that loan and took it out. Yeah, that is that is sick. I'm sorry that is sick.
Oh, oh, they're arrested. So we've got people who were in this company that is supposed to help you with this, who are basically committing crimes. Is this what we're understanding out of this?
That is exactly what I'm trying to point out here. That is exactly what I'm trying to say and I think that's exactly the point that this article is trying to make.
Remember when I was starting to look up the commercials and things, just typing LifeLock into accessible YouTube downloader brought up even a 2024 commercial and a 2025 don't get LifeLock thing that's posted by a user.
Yeah, that's messed up. I am aware that it's not likely, but we may be getting some flack from potentially LifeLock representatives, but I think people need to know this.
So what did you find in regards to 2015-16 that you were alerting me to?
Oh, yes. So there was an order that the Federal Trade Commission, I believe it was handed down in 2010.
And in 2015 they were sued LifeLock was because apparently they were violating this order.
And there were several components. One of them being deceptive advertising, but one of the most alarming was failing to have in place basic security measures for protecting data.
Um, yeah.
And this is the company that continues to advertise that they have all these plans. And yes, I probably read it a little fast. And yes, I know it was a little fuzzy.
You can go up to LifeLock and read about these all yourself.
So, but I'm not trying to still, but I think they're not meant to be trusted because they are hurting you in reality.
So what did you, so for those who heard the 30 minute program, and even if you find the other 28 minute program, just by searching LifeLock on YouTube, if you find it, you can watch it on your own time.
I could in theory go get it. We can play it as one of our final files if you guys want.
But I think this one 28 minute file will be enough.
Yeah.
But for those who heard it, when you were hearing it like, Oh, LifeLock made me whole. They paid, you know, the, you know, 30,000 or whatever it was that was stolen from me or the 80,000 or whatever the number is.
Although I love them. I'm glad you hit on that. One of the stories was actually Nick. I think she was taken for twice, which is why there were stories.
The first was before she had LifeLock.
The second time was LifeLock supposedly and I want to use supposedly because again, they're saying that anyone who signs up for any of these programs that I ran through very fast.
I know I probably should have done that a little fast slower, but
everybody who signs up gets at least a million and 50
minimum
gets blown up over there.
That's just asinine. I'm sorry. But how do you have the money for it?
I mean, we have all these health care breaches and
I've not heard anything, but they say, Oh, LifeLock will send you a note and say,
This is you. You tell them, yes, that's okay. If you tell them, no, the one guy said, Oh, they went right to work and I didn't have to worry about it.
But yet, as you're going to learn later, the CEO gets pilfered 13 times. I mean, teen times.
What did you think of that five minute video they're going to hear at here at the end of that?
That was absolutely freaking ridiculous. But keep in mind, some of that is not confidence. Some of that is absolute stupidity.
Yeah, it's really, really, really smart to just give your social security number out
over the air to millions of people. And I kind of remember this. I kind of remember this because I heard people, he's like, Have you heard the commercial for LifeLock? This guy is giving out his social security number. And I'm like, Well, he'll be owned.
And he was.
But he said LifeLock will protect him because they look out. Oh, and they said they look out for what was it? Two billion with a B billion data points on you.
So that is that is that is not possible. I mean, even I think this is something that if I'm not mistaken, fish labs can provide for businesses to a smaller extent, but not two billion data points.
Right.
And the other thing that really just gets me is that while your bank won't do all of this, there's some of this your bank will already do. They will want you to credit card transactions.
But as you heard in the in the thing, once you tell them, no, that's it. They don't do anything. But I've had two credit card issues and they did something both times. They changed my card, which is same here.
Yeah, that and that's what and one of them and I told the guy I'm like, you know, Steven, I have to remember all of my I have to remember my details. You can't just do that to me is like, I know, but
and I get it.
I completely get it.
But at that time, that's all we could do. Now, as I moved to a different RSS provider.
I created a virtual crowd.
I mean card.
Oh yeah.
Okay, that was a bad. That was a bad joke. Nick got it. Nick got it. He was.
Yeah, let's say I gave them that.
Yeah, I've gave them a virtual credit card.
Yeah.
So,
like I said, they're all going to go to Satan and get to do this the rest of our lives.
This really commercial. Come on. Now. Oh, they are right when they say that our data unfortunately is in the hands of many, many, many people in industries and yes, that is groups and brokers that we don't know about.
That is the one part that I think they got right. Unfortunately.
Yes. But what I'm curious is how much information are you providing them when you sign up.
Based on what they're saying, everything
that's already out there.
Uh huh. So, essentially you're just giving it to one more person and one more group.
Oh, and they probably changed this practice by now but at least in the beginning, unfortunately, based on what I read, I think I know how they were getting some of that money.
Yeah, swiping it through unauthorized the stealing it through those unauthorized withdrawals, some of which were around $300 to this National Credit Foundation.
And by the way, I went on their website and their contact page just has a contact form like most web pages these days.
Yep, no phone number.
It's like every other big organization and big tech company, they don't want to talk to you.
No, thanks.
Oh, and that was another thing that whole thing about Patricia getting to meet her quote unquote restoration specialist.
That had to be staged.
Because again, I think most of these people, most of these people they just see it as a job to get done. It's like, okay, I've helped. You know I did what I could you have your money back. See you have a great life. Bye.
Until next time.
On to the next one. On to the next. Yeah, that's it. On to the next one. And until next time.
Holy crap.
Now for anyone who's on the panel.
Would you buy it.
No.
No, no.
No, two no, no absolutely not.
Yes, I'm here.
Would you would you buy it.
No, everybody's saying no.
I mean the lowest plan gives you the bare minimums.
Right but what if you get you know like that plan and somebody turns around and screws
over and you may not get your money back.
Yeah.
I hear you.
That is crazy.
But I think this is worth exposing for what it is.
Nobody, none of us are gonna buy it.
If you're gonna buy it I'm not gonna judge you.
That's your choice.
888-405-7524, 818-527-4754.
Call me.
Tell me why you would buy it.
I'm not, we're gonna play neutral.
If you want to buy it I want to know why.
Yeah right, indeed.
We're gonna try and stay neutral but everybody here is saying no and I completely understand
why.
Why would you buy it Nick?
If you were gonna buy it why?
Well mainly I would buy it because, well the basic because I like the most you know the
lowest level one because you know it's only me there's no dependence there aren't any
other people that I'd want to put on it.
Yeah so it'd be the most basic one and I would mainly buy it because what they were saying
to me you know if I'd heard the ads and I've if I were listening I'd be pretty convinced
you know hey you sound confident you sound like you know what you're doing you sound
like you can protect me so you know and I happen to know that there is a great deal
of identity theft out there and there are many many breaches as we always cover so part
of me would think okay what do I have to lose sure they can protect me.
Alright I like your I like your thinking Preston if you I'll ask you the same question if you
were going to buy this product what version of the program and why?
My answer is gonna be the basic because you know it's just gonna be me that would use
it I don't have any other people like shared with or what have you and you know I keep
hearing all these like those sob stories of yeah they helped me and I got my thousands
of dollars back I'm able to pay my tuition and loans to sell with it but you know at
the same time you know I still gotta be careful of breaches because they're still gonna pop
up at the end of the day so I still want to hopefully try and take matters in my own hands
and the basic would probably be the one that I could afford so that's my answer.
I will ask Joseph now if you were going to buy this product what version of the product
would you buy and why?
Well if I was gonna do it I'd probably go with the basic package.
Okay so everybody's basically on the same line here you know basic package a million
fifty thousand dollars hoping that they're true to their word which we've seen otherwise
and probably a bigger security risk that I don't want to have I've already got enough
problems.
Yeah indeed.
I just thought we should open people's eyes to what it is how neutral have we been?
Well I'm not very but we well we're trying to be I mean well yeah we are trying to be
but most importantly we're not sugarcoating what we're seeing either because you don't
want to do that with a big national company like that.
No I mean I wanted to try and keep this neutral but I understand why it's not.
But it's a hard balance if I just heard that and decided to sign up and then they I mean
we've heard Kim's calls for those of you on the Kim Commandos Minute haven't you heard
some of them calls where they were somebody's like oh I signed up for LifeLock I called
them and you know their customer service is a lackluster at best.
Yeah I'm not happy they're not lying.
I think I've heard two or three or four calls in the last month.
Oh dear.
That tells you something.
And I bet they've outsourced some of that too overseas because it's probably cheaper.
Doesn't surprise me.
Now that Norton bought them.
Yeah and that's another.
Now maybe in the beginning they were probably pretty good.
Of course we're going to have a blundersh I mean no company is going to be 100% perfect
but.
Ever since Norton bought them I understand it to become a lot worse than it was.
And of course Norton was bought out by what major company?
Symantec.
Symantec is correct.
And of course all of these companies were separate Symantec was one Norton was one and
then there were other Antifirus companies that have come and gone through the years
that have all been separate.
And I don't know if it was Norton or Symantec but I told you all this story that's how one
of my credit cards was stolen.
The number on it.
Because I got I didn't at the time look at the URL because it looked totally legitimate
and it was supposedly from Norton telling me that you know I needed to renew my yearly
subscription but then interestingly every year I did that not long after irregular card
activity.
It was two years in a row so unfortunately I think.
Go ahead.
I was going to say you didn't know any better and you were believing what you were seeing
how would you react now?
Now I'd be going um what's the URL that this is going to?
Is this actually Norton?
I mean the program itself claims it's Norton I mean it's showing up it's popping up in
Norton but since this has happened before I don't know that this really is.
Okay very good I like your thinking.
I actually had my credit cards pilfered by a different company.
They were supposed to help me update my card info but instead somebody wrote it down and
tried to do shit with it.
Uh oh.
Yeah it's never fun.
After they helped me.
Let me guess they tried to go to Best Buy or they tried to go to.
No it wasn't a but the first was a Juno charge so they signed me up for Juno.
The second one changed the second time they changed my info altogether.
Wow.
Yeah so I don't I never did business with that company since.
It was a long distance at the time you know you could pay a penny a minute and it was
basically a give us you know they gave you like a virtual crowd and you put money on
it you called an 800 number.
Yeah.
It was one of those companies.
Oh yes one of those.
After the second time I said I'm not going to give and I even told my financial advisor
I said I'm going to give this card to this company last.
And after I give this card to this company then we're going to see what happens.
And if it is them then I don't do business with them anymore.
And sure enough that's exactly what I did and sure enough it was exactly how I called
it.
And I talked about this on the tech podcast at the time.
It wasn't Juno though not directly.
The company was called Tel3 Advantage one of many companies that offered you know cards
that you could pay for that you could basically pay a penny a minute you dialed a phone number
and then you dialed the number through them.
So that's that's who it was.
I don't even know if they're still in business anymore.
It would surprise me nowadays that they are.
But that's the experience I doubted my credit card fiascos but there was no life lock back
then and even if there was they probably wouldn't tell me anything about a ten dollar charge
at Juno or the fact that my credit card information was changed.
So it was around 2005 6 7.
When all that took place.
Well this has been a very interesting discussion gentlemen.
I know that it's not exactly how we wanted to do the show but I think it was an eye opening
experience to hear what people thought you know if they heard the thing and of course
Joseph when you hear the 30 minute program if you have other thoughts that you would
like to have read or if you call the comment line and leave voicemail you want them aired
we will do that for you and anybody else who listens via podcast if you have comments and
you would like them aired you can write them to me and I can read them on your behalf.
I can play I can have it played through the podcast just communicate and let us know how
you'd like to proceed.
Indeed and most importantly stay safe because we're not getting through this treacherous
world of landscape together there's no like sugar coating it so that's the advice that
I leave people with.
Was this the perfect topic today gentlemen?
It ended up being yes.
Spot on.
I'm glad I was able to oblige because that was crazy I heard that program and my first
thought was you have to be kidding me.
Right.
And you have to be kidding me my phone has to ring just at that moment.
Oh oh dear oh this is probably a scammer let's see let's take this on the air.
Hello.
I didn't even hear it say a name.
Hello.
Hi.
Good afternoon this is Sherry speaking I'm calling to help you maximize your Medicare
plan during the 2025 open enrollment we have exciting free benefits like grocery savings
with food and flex cards improved vision hearing and dental care plus up to $250 cash back.
Do you currently have both part A and part B of Medicare?
No I do not and even if I did it wouldn't be your business.
I see where you are coming from but it's really just general information so that I can help
you get new benefits which include dental vision hearing and up to $250 of cash back.
I have it here in the system that you have Medicare just want to confirm if it's both
part A and B of Medicare.
I already told you no.
I'm sorry it looks like you don't meet the eligibility criteria for our benefit plan.
What a shock.
Of course I don't.
Well and even if I did which we all do by the way we all have part A and B.
Yep but still.
Actually no I do not period I do not.
I believe I do but I don't know that to be a hundred percent accurate either so at least
that's what I'm told.
But I'd love to have another $250.
Yeah how about it?
I don't think you're gonna get it.
Something tells me you're not actually gonna get it.
Now what could actually happen is that you end up losing $250 and then suddenly shocker
of shockers you receive statements in the mail and you know explanations of benefits
for procedures you never even had done.
Oh no.
Mm-hmm.
Like yes this is the explanation of benefits for your liver transplant.
My liver transplant I did not have one.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah or kidney transplant.
I was like I don't remember getting that done.
Oh yeah and then of course after you do that you'll get some of the things that supposedly
LifeLock can protect you from like I could just see it now somebody's gonna try and buy
a car in your name probably the wonderful AI lady who seems so nice.
Yeah.
It's like um no I am not buying a BMW at Nick's BMW and that's a problem because he can't
say no.
Nick can't say no.
I wonder if he said I wonder if he said no.
Probably not because based on what they most likely would have wanted whoever this was
who went in to try and buy that BMW would have everything they need to pretend to be
me and pull it off unfortunately.
Right basically.
So no sadly he wouldn't say no.
Anyway yeah that's why we're living through folks that's why my glasses my lady or better
AI.
Oh speaking of debt collectors and that wonderful topic I think I told you all this a few months
ago I kept getting this call which based on the way it was speaking I thought was a total
scam because it was supposedly some debt collector and say we're looking for Nikolas Jackson.
It's like oh that's computer generated right there and I think they said something like
you know you can provide a statement of what happened to this office while it's like now
you're trying to be a law firm.
Yeah no.
But they yeah but they kept calling and so finally I answered this and turns out they
were looking for somebody who had the same name and it's the second time that they've
been looking for said person with same name.
But what they said that was so funny and actually made me go are you serious right now.
So it was this your son so according to what you just told me this Nicholas Jackson's birthdate
is July 1st 1987.
Mine is 1985 so that is not valid that is not biologically possible for me to have a
son or biologically valid.
Exactly well not even two.
It would be like one and a half or so that's no unless we're living in some kind of science
fiction world.
Me having a son is biologically impossible buddy sorry.
And his last four of his social.
And whoever yeah and this Nicholas Jackson he didn't ask for mine thank goodness the
debt collector but this person's social the last four were totally different.
Wow.
It's all I'm going to say.
Like not even close.
Okay yeah.
About that.
Whoever this is yeah whoever this Nicholas Jackson is apparently has a lot of pretty serious
debts because that was the second debt collector called looking for him.
Because there was one before who called I think it was last year also looking for this
one with the same social that was not mine.
Yeah.
Right.
Sure.
Very interesting Mr. J.
Yes unfortunately guys what I did just now before I went on that rant about the debt
collectors is something that they always advise you Kim other tech people do not answer those
calls I made that mistake and I'm probably going to be getting more of them so do not
do what I just did.
Thank goodness well but you know.
I didn't give out any information and that wasn't yours and you did it and you and they
were like well what the you know you're like no that's whatever but you know if they pressured
you into giving you your I would be making up a bunch of stuff.
I thought about doing that but the only problem yeah the only problem with that I've considered
doing that but the issue is that you may unknowingly commit identity theft that way because you
may accidentally give somebody's digits and things that are real.
But I randomized it how am I supposed to know it's real.
If you get if you get arrested that's going to be a hard argument to make.
But that would be the honest truth I'm randomized numbers and this guy was claiming that I whatever
and they asked for my info so I made up I made it up right on the fly I don't know who
belongs to.
And it turns out the guy that you just gave their info you know the that was some guy
named Ronald Gillespie in South Alabama.
Well this is one reason why I just don't answer my phone like I see these strange looking
numbers and I don't even answer my phone even if I think it's real I'll wait for a voice
to be able to pop up and I'll wait for a voice to be able to pop up.
And sometimes and and there are times I do that because on my end what shows up sometimes
is call from stop Barbara CA call from Barbara CA.
It's like no no yeah yeah you know what I like on my call filter app it tells me if
it's potential spam and of course I don't answer them then on my phone I do setting
the word it have silence the unknown calls and it does it in the voicemail but they're
not going to leave me a voicemail so I just I just say fuck it.
They go about my day and some of them other people get old some of those calls that I
get on my cell phone AT&T does label as spam risks but no that's not always the case.
And guess which protocol that's done by we talked about it many many many podcasts
ago.
Oh boy voice a fishing.
No I'm talking about a protocol.
I don't know if it's a protocol per se but isn't like the kids spam or something.
No no can't spam is a law.
There is actually a protocol.
It is a protocol.
Could it be VOIP?
We talked about it we talked about it through.
Through this podcast from Wikipedia.
Oh this was before your time Nick.
Yeah I'm starting to wonder if I even.
And I believe 21 of TSB.
Oh my way before yes.
I think that shake down around the time you had your shake in and stir not stirred and
stirred shake it.
Yeah shaking and shaking and stirred stir.
Yikes.
There we go.
Shake him and stir.
What I'm wondering is if that was around the time you had your other regular who sadly
does not seem to be around as much.
Yes.
Oh.
What if it was our name for a protocol.
Yeah man totally actually actually we.
We link to it in our show notes if you go to email security dot.
You actually hold on I'll just provide this to you.
Okay.
Let's see.
Oops.
Your life is there and yeah.
Really.
really?
uh oh
here
stir shaken or shaken stir so stir and shaken or staking and shared
TM and the call on my way
I knew I'm on my way
okay
Alexa N
it is a it is a protocol
got it thanks
holy
yeah that's the right one
podcast 20 20 and 21 I think
what else gentlemen
well I do want to remind people for throwback Saturday night on Saturday we have another thrilling topic and next week we will you know play for you the
by seminar went to for scams and identity theft even though this is not cyber security awareness month it still bears worth repeating because you know we're still going to get calls and things and we don't want people to be out of the dark so it's why you know I
I'll make sure I live I know a copy of that in okay yeah I actually already have an MP3
okay yeah I actually invited Jared that live but I know you know we were doing with our own outage issues and stuff across networks so but yes he think at the archive he was very pleased and so much so I haven't had a chance to look into it yet but I will I will do that and I will definitely give you all my thoughts on it
either as a file or we can do it live I haven't figured that out yet
I had a little trouble trying to get the archive though because they wanted me to play and I had to go to another page and then I had it was it was a bit of a mess to get it but I got it
so we'll play that next week Nick do you know what we want to do next week besides this
webinar
um sorry I was looking at something it's okay we can discuss it later
yeah this has been one interesting show
I'll see
well well I guess we'll let you know what we're covering next week next week I don't I don't have any thing major I unless we do that topic on
I think the that app the
app the you know the Chinese that's yeah
screen so that what we want to do
adjustable I think so
okay then that's what we'll do
pressed boy do you have to leave
yes I actually
did come to the one my volunteer project so yes it will be
but Jared thank you very much for the show as always and
yeah this was great
so then I will play your I will play your goodbye file unless you would like to take us out now
because we're done
well my mic is muted on on my braille sense so I'll just go ahead and give give my my my goodbye so
okay
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so make it a good week don't click on shit know where you're going watch it for those spam calls and spam text and spam collectors and as we say
do you know where you're going well if not you're going to be owned just like life lock thank you for your time
and we'll see you soon goodbye and be well
we will have more files coming up the podcast will continue in just a moment
since Institute has an email full of stats that might be of interest to us because some of us in this community run small businesses
and as we know breaches or data leaks or malware attacks or anything else can affect anyone at any time
and it does not care whether you are disabled in any way this isn't about the disability community this is about doing things right
so the move it breach this was the FTP client move it exposed a harsh reality because a lot of people used the application
and they may still be using the application because that's what they have to do
in 2023 87% of organizations experienced one or more security breaches with 53% or over half
reporting over 1 million dollars in lost revenues fines and other expenses up from 2022 which was at 48% and 2021 which was at 38%
they don't wait they will snuff out environments supply chains and more
security teams aren't ready says this tidbit
58% of security teams lack the skills it's about protecting your career
31% of executives according to this they experienced fines job loss or legal action
now they are touting their courses they have a right to do that I've been a subscriber of theirs although I've not taken their courses but I have been in their webinars
but I thought this is kind of interesting right go to sans.org sans.org or sans.edu to learn more about what they offer in regards to courses
yes I know the price tag on some of these may be out of our price tag but maybe they might be of value to you you could contact them see if they offer any discounts for disabled people
I don't know that to be factual but we definitely need to be aware of what's out there even if we don't take these courses the information may be very valuable to some
for the security box I'm Jared Reimer
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Kim commando put out a special version of her newsletter normally done once a day but this is bad
some people may not have heard of Mars Hydro and I might have seen something about this somewhere they deal with LED lights and hydroponics equipment
I know about LED lights but I don't know anything about hydroponics equipment
Jeremiah Fowler is a security researcher and has been on Kim's show in the past he found a massive 1.17 terabyte database on the internet
for anyone to see no encryption and no password
it contained 2 billion 734 million 819,501 records that's almost 3 billion pieces of information
the information that was found in this database belonged to a California company if that's not bad enough
LG LED solutions and that's hyphenated LG hyphen LED solutions
also a company called Spider Farmer was also in this database according to URLs found in this database
lights fans and cooling systems are what's made they sell to the US UK and Australia
over 100 million Wi-Fi network names and SSIDs were collected IP addresses were collected device IDs were collected
all of the devices including makes models and other pieces of information and the app error logs
this sounds to me like a big problem and Kim says that these are Internet of Things devices and this is the type of thing that can be a problem if you have things that do not care about security
i.e. the companies involved in the things that you are getting such as smart light bulbs and thermostats
in my home we have a thermostat that I have demonstrated as part of the technology blog and podcast series and that thermostat gets updates
just to prove my point about the thermostat getting updates recently I had changed Internet providers and so my thermostat was connected to the Internet until that occurred
and then it was off the Internet because that portion of the setup I could not do on my own I had to wait for somebody trusted to go into the settings and connect my thermostat to the Wi-Fi
and while I had somebody to do very specific things I did not trust the individual to go in and do this because they only work with me during specific times
as soon as the thermostat was connected to the Internet the thermostat went ahead and checked to see if it was up to date
as my guy left to go and do what was necessary outside of the home the thermostat updated itself and before he left he told me that it was complete
after he left I went ahead and verified that the application was communicating with the thermostat and I got an email from the company indicating that the Wi-Fi was connected and that the alert that the Internet was disconnected was cleared
the thermostat probably would have been checking for updates on a regular basis because it's always connected to the Internet and look at it this way if I know that it's very cold I can tell the thermostat that I want it at 70 degrees
when I get home so that it's warming up my home so that my home feels warmer from the outside and I can hold the temperature at 70 degrees so it can be of value
but if the company does not put out updates then this is a problem now seeing that I have changed companies I did ask several questions like whether the pieces of equipment that I am getting have updates
sent to them and or whether I can access that and make sure that it is up to date and while I can use the application which does have simple things like turning off and on security stuff which I really can get into
because of the fact that their security product blocks one of my domains so I've turned it off because that's a problem it also does other stuff but that's beyond the point but they did say that it is pretty limited
we don't have a whole lot that we can do but they did tell me they update it and in this newsletter they go into detail on the updates so they do provide updates so the newsletter goes into details on what's going on
algae lead said basically that it was the official product of Mars Hydro
the Mars Hydro has an abysmal 10,000 downloads and a 1.9 star rating while the App Store for ILS has no ratings
and the privacy section of the particular app says that it doesn't collect any data but we know now that's not true and nothing is shared with third parties well that's not true anymore and even if Mars Hydro fixed the massive 1.9 terabyte data
leak with this wide open database here we go again with the fact that the database is out there
do what you can to make sure that your Wi-Fi is secure as possible making sure it's up to date if possible with any software that it might be running and so you could
do other odds and ends
so keep yourself safe folks it's as bad as it gets out there
hello welcome to the have I've been pwned update this update will be done as of Sunday February 16 2025
here are the recently added breaches 11 million 52,000 71 at store envy
this is spelled as t o r e n v y
docks been 136,461 in parentheses is t o o d a with the t o at the beginning and the da after the second oh being capitalized
zacks
two thousand twenty four
eleven million nine hundred ninety four thousand two hundred twenty three
the rest include land air see
about me trading value youth manual thermal mix recipe
hacker corporation and
point campus
if you would like to learn more about these you can go to have I've been pwned
that's p w n e d it's a dot com just as it's spelled h a v e i b e e n p w n e d dot com
and you can look at the entire list of breaches and find these companies in the list
if you're from southeast asia you probably haven't heard of life lock life lock is an american identity theft protection company in a nutshell they have technology that keeps an eye on whether your personal information is being used elsewhere so if there's suspected fraud or unusual activity you'll get a notification or get contacted by their team and they get to restore your identity plus you only have to pay around 10 to 15 dollars a month for that protection and in exchange life lock
claims that they can give you a million dollar guarantee if the protection fails and since we're living in a highly connected world this seems like a good deal it feels like a service that has solved a problem something that many people would want it basically scratched an itch but then disaster happens this happens around the year 2006 when the guys at life lock decided to run an ad they spent the millions of dollars on this campaign and here's a clip
457-55-5416 that is my real social security number if you've ever worried about identity theft it's time you got to know life lock i'm todd davis and i'm here to prove just how safe your identity can be with life lock that's my real social security number
yeah you heard it right that was todd davis the ceo of life lock at that time you can tell how extremely confident he is as to life locks effectively i mean davis did put his actual social security number on this mobile billboard that's driving around the city it's just a plain white billboard on wheels and there's this huge social security number there painted in red and his voice telling the world that it's his actual security number he was basically taunting the world to go ahead and try to
steal his identity because he's confident that life lock can protect him it's a bold move really i mean what better way to convince people that your product is effective than for them to see you the ceo try it out yourself but then is bold really the right word here because you know what happens next a couple of months after the ads were run around 2007 news leaked that todd davis identity was stolen and what's funny is that the first case of identity theft was stolen and that's when the
identity theft was stolen and what's funny is that the first case of identity theft the one who stole his identity used it to take out a 500 dollar loan and then in a desperate attempt todd davis and life lock tried to spin the story into something positive claiming that it only happens once and good thing life lock was there to help him
unfortunately a couple of months after news once again leaked that his identity wasn't just stolen once it was stolen 13 times and in one incident someone was using davis identity under at&t phone bill and that bill amounted to over 2300 dollars if you convert that to philippine pesos if 1 dollar is 50 pesos that's around 115,000 pesos
and then there are only 13 incidents that we know of because this information was just leaked of course todd davis would try his best to make sure that news doesn't leak so there's a big chance that there are many more incidents that we don't know of and it gets worse for him
because remember how their ads keep explicitly claiming that life lock will protect you from identity theft well since todd davis became a victim of identity theft despite using life locks protection the federal trade commission declared that it was a deceptive form of advertising and he was fined 12 million dollars
i was so amused the first time i read about this and in a way i don't even feel that bad that it happened to todd davis and life lock because after doing a bit more digging you start to see a trend as to how dirty and deceptive this company is
because somehow they've created this false sense of fear that makes people feel the need to be protected despite life lock not having any capability at all in giving them that protection and life lock they're still doing incredibly well so just remember don't feel bad if you did something stupid
if you didn't share your social security number that results in you being fined 12 million dollars it's probably not that bad
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so
The fox went out on a chilly old night, prayed for the moon to give a light,
For he had many a mile to go that night before he reached the town, oh, town, oh, town, oh,
He had many a mile to go that night before he reached the town, oh,
He ran till he came to the farm that's been, the ducks and the geese were kept therein,
He said, a couple of you are gonna grease my chin before I leave this town, oh, town, oh, town, oh,
A couple of you are gonna grease my chin before I leave this town, oh,
He grabbed the grey goose by the neck, he threw a duck across his back,
And he didn't mind the quack, quack, all the legs all dangling down, oh,
Down, oh, down, oh, and he didn't mind the quack, quack, all the legs all dangling down, oh,
Well the old grey woman jumped out of bed, out of the window she popped her head,
And cried, John, John, the grey goose is gone, the fox is on the town, oh, town, oh, town, oh,
John, John, the grey goose is gone, and the fox is on the town, oh,
He ran till he came to this nice warm den, and there were the little ones, eight, nine, ten,
Saying, Daddy, Daddy, better go back again, it must be a mighty fine town, oh, town, oh, town, oh,
Daddy, Daddy, go back again, for it must be a mighty fine town, oh, town, oh, town, oh, town, oh,
The fox and his wife, without any strife, they cut up the goose with a fork and a knife,
And they never had such a supper in their life, and the little ones chewed on their bones, oh,
Bones, oh, bones, oh, they never had such a supper in their life, and the little ones chewed on their bones,
Oh, bones, oh, bones, oh, they never had such a supper in their life, and the little ones chewed on their bones,
All around me are familiar faces, worn out places, worn out faces,
Bright and early for their daily races, going nowhere, going nowhere,
And their tears are filling up their glasses, no expression, no expression,
Hide my head, I wanna drown my sorrow, no tomorrow, no tomorrow,
And I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad, the dreams in which I'm dying are the best I ever had,
I find it hard to tell you, cause I find it hard to take, when people run in circles it's a very, very
Mad world, Mad world,
Children waiting for the day they feel good, happy birthday, happy birthday,
Made to feel the way that every child should, sit and listen, sit and listen,
Went to school and I was very nervous, no one knew me, no one knew me,
Hello teacher, tell me what's my lesson, look right through me, look right through me,
And I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad, the dreams in which I'm dying are the best I ever had,
I find it hard to tell you, cause I find it hard to take, when people run in circles it's a very, very
Mad world, Mad world,
Enlarge in your world, Mad world,