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My nightmare is finally coming true.

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Oh god.

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I hope we don't have another Drake, another colonizer, but this time coming from Korea.

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Oh lord have mercy.

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So Jenny and Dochi?

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No, I love Dochi.

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Don't do this please.

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Where to begin?

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Okay.

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All right.

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Calm down.

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This is going to be a tough one.

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I don't have all of my thoughts completely gathered.

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I just know that I have some guttural reactions and it is a feeling of disgust, of disgust.

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And I'm not 100% sure exactly why.

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I don't know how much of it has to do with my love for Dochi and her music, her artistry,

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creativity, or my difficult complex relationship with K-pop.

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Okay.

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So let me start from the beginning.

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I have never been 100% in love with K-pop.

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I have enjoyed K-pop.

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They are great background music, music to have fun and dance to.

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Here's how I feel.

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All these people worried about AI being able to take over art, worried about AI being able

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to just create the music and then artists don't have to exist.

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You know, the worries about AI, you don't have to worry about it if you're worried about

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what is to come.

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It was already here and it was already here in the form of K-pop.

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Okay.

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Koreans, I'm speaking as a fellow Korean here.

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Look, Koreans have K-pop, I should say more specifically, has mastered the art of creating

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catchy bops and tunes that will go viral on places like TikTok and YouTube shorts and

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all these other places, right?

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You want to create a trend.

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K-pop has figured out how to go ahead and make that happen with both the sound and also

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the media, social media.

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They've just mastered how to manipulate these things in order to make things go viral.

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They've done a wonderful job of it.

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They seem to have mastered it in ways that even AI is going to be far behind for a while.

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So, if you're worried about AI taking over, you know, the creation of art, don't worry.

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K-pop's already been doing it.

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They've already figured out how to infect our ears with music that is super catchy,

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don't really have much depth and just kind of numbs you.

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I have never considered K-pop good art.

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I have always considered K-pop to be good vibe music, good dance music, good fun to

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just listen to without having to think.

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But I wouldn't consider it like good in terms of as an art form in any form or fashion.

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Now, I want to be clear.

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I think that these K-pop artists are very talented.

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I know that a lot of them don't necessarily write their own music, but in at least the

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performing of them, you know, these companies have invested a lot of time, energy, money

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into developing these artists so that they're amazing for performances.

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And they are held to an extremely high standard.

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And there's a reason that they've become globally popular.

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It is clear that the production is there.

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It is clear that the training is there to really develop these K-pop artists and to

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create a kind of fandom, right?

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To create a sense of connection to these artists through social media.

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They've done a wonderful job.

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But now, I'm not going to talk here about the dark side of K-pop.

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That will be for another time, which includes the toxic fandom.

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Not that they're all terrible, but there's a kind of toxic online fan culture in K-pop.

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I think a very unhealthy one, as well as the exploitation of a lot of these artists.

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So the ones actually on stage, right, they might not necessarily be the ones responsible.

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It might be the companies that are kind of pushing and promoting them that might be responsible

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for some of the critiques that I have.

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All this aside, okay, I also figured that when it was specifically the Blackpink members,

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Rosie, Rosé, what is it, Lisa, and Jennie specifically, I figured that they would be,

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they would do well in transitioning to the US audience.

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I figured that in part because I believe all three of them come from backgrounds where

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they are very well versed in English and have a kind of, a certain kind of love affair with

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American culture to some degree.

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You could see it in their music even before they started promoting themselves so much

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here in the United States and now like coming out with albums specifically through US labels.

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But I figured that they would be quite popular.

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In fact, I actually bet that Lisa would probably be the most popular of the three to make her

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way into US pop culture.

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I just figured there's something about the charisma and the way that she presents herself

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that feels very much like it was made for an American audience.

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So I imagine they would be successful.

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However, collaborating with Dochi just broke my heart.

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I mean, Rosie collaborating with Bruno Mars also broke my heart to some degree, but that's

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a little less complex because Bruno Mars isn't black.

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But Dochi is and Dochi is pure hip hop.

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She's not a pop star in my eyes.

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She's a hip hop artist.

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Hip hop slash R&B.

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I don't know how you want to categorize her, right?

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But that just hurt me to the core.

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I was trying to figure out exactly why it hurt me so much, why I was so sad and disappointed

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by all of this.

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And I think it's in part because of my love for hip hop and my desire for the authenticity

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and the roots of hip hop.

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I've been in love with hip hop for so long and I've been so personally sensitive to people

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on the outside trying to use it for capitalistic purposes, right?

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And especially people that are not of the culture.

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Now I'm not saying that I am of the culture, right?

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I am a fan, but as a fan who genuinely cares about preserving the integrity of hip hop,

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I've always been a little sensitive to figures like Drake who come in and know nothing about

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hip hop culture and then uses it in order to make lots of money and to gain fame and

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so on and so forth.

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So I've always had a lot of issues with K-pop to begin with, in part because of, again,

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my desire to protect something I love, hip hop as a culture.

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And then there's the other side, which is that I am Korean and I did listen to some

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Korean music growing up, but there was something that immediately turned me off to Korean music

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and I can actually remember the exact moment that that happened.

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I'm going to cite a very specific song.

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It was by, at the time, right?

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K-pop wasn't this global phenomenon that you see today.

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It was something that was just kind of starting out.

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you know, how he's like king of pop.

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Like if you want to say like the originators of K-pop, right?

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At least one of those groups would be Seo Taiji, or either, right?

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That's the Korean name.

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You'll probably find it in English as Seo Taiji and the Boys, right?

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Or Ann Boys, I'm not sure.

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Seo Taiji is spelled S-E-O-T-A-I-J-I.

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And I believe one of the members is now the CEO of YG.

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This is actually named after him, I believe, which is actually the label that produced

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Blackpink, who's the subject of the discussion today.

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So they made this song called Come Back Home.

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I forget exactly when it was.

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That was a while ago.

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It was a long time ago.

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But they came out with a song called Come Back Home.

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It was extremely popular in Korea for a lot of different reasons.

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But the sound, immediately when I heard the record, oh my goodness, I was pissed.

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I was pissed because, and you know, I'm going to pause for a second and I'm going to let

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you just listen to that song.

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I believe you could find it on YouTube and other places.

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Just find the song and listen to it.

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I'm going to pause for like one second here, or you could pause this podcast for a second

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and then listen to it.

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So assuming that you listen to it, OK?

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If you love hip hop, you've studied the history of hip hop, that song should immediately,

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immediately set off alarms because I heard that song and I immediately heard Cypress

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Hill.

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And my reaction at the time as a kid was, what the fuck?

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What in the actual fuck?

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It wasn't just like culture vulture type shit that I am not going to I'm going to just set

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that whole thing concern aside for now.

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Right.

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And it just felt like straight up plagiarism.

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And anybody who knows, right, who has paid attention to K-pop over the years, this is

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their M.O.

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They just straight up plagiarize.

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They mix and master, produce a little, make it a little different, put their own spin

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on it.

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But it almost feels like K-pop decides.

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I mean, like I'm thinking about like these K-pop groups, you know, they have this notion

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of like a concept for these groups, and I immediately think the concept is nothing more

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than taking something that was popular at one point in time and then making that the

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concept.

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That's what it feels like.

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That's what it absolutely feels like.

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And there's a reason that the sounds of K-pop seem to hit so familiar to me in a lot of

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ways is that all of these songs in some ways, right, like it's like they took from African

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culture, they took from the U.S. hip hop culture, they took from, you know, various South American

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cultures, right, like depending on what they felt like taking from, whether it was from

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Brazil or, you know, Argentina or Mexico, like they're just like taking sounds from

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around the world and especially from, you know, people of color, like I'm not going

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to lie, right.

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It's black and brown bodies, like there are that they often take from and then they take

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it and then put their own little spin on it.

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But like quickly you could hear where it's coming from.

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And that's what's so disturbing about these K-pop artists.

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Like I'm not going to disagree that it's a lot of fun to listen to and I'm not going

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to disagree that they do a great job of promoting themselves and they do a great job with the

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production.

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They do a good job with all of these things.

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And I am going to wholeheartedly acknowledge that all of these K-pop artists are extremely

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talented.

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I enjoy a lot of the music, but I've always had this love-hate affair with K-pop from

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its inception because from the very beginning, its history, it has been founded on stealing

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from others.

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And there's something about that that limits my ability to fully acknowledge K-pop as,

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you know, as anything particularly, I don't know, how do you say this, like artistic,

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I have a hard time giving it any artistic merit, right, because there's nothing innovative

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in a lot of ways.

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There's a lot of old stuff repackaged.

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That's what it feels like.

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Now, again, I'm not talking about the entire Korean music scene, right.

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There's a really, really vibrant indie scene coming out of Korea and they make a lot of

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just great music.

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There's actually a lot of talented people.

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But I'm talking about specifically K-pop, which is attempting to, I'm not sure what,

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I don't know what the primary goal is, right.

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I'm not going to do a deep dive research on this, but my guess is that they're trying

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to be as popular and as big as possible in terms of the kind of money that they make

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and the reach that they have.

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That is the sense I get because the music that's produced often feel, and the way that

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it's promoted often feel like the goal is to be number one streamed, right.

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Is to get as large of an audience to be listening to it as regularly as possible, which is why

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it doesn't surprise me that so many of these K-pop songs show up as viral TikTok dances

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and such, right.

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There's a reason for it.

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It's not an accident, okay.

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But here's the thing.

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When you steal from other people, I feel like there's something disgusting about your profiting

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so much from it without at least giving credit to where you're getting it from, right.

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And I think this is one of the things that I've always had issue with, right.

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Somebody will come out with a song, it goes viral, it's popular, it's catchy, all of that.

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And you could hear the influence and nobody wants to talk about the actual influence and

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where this stuff is actually coming from, right.

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I mean, I think this is should, we should be talking about it more in art in general,

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I think.

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But maybe it's the academic, I'm not sure what, but something about not really giving

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due credit and also the fact that you are using it for your own personal gain, whether

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it's the artists themselves or it's the labels that they're associated with.

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It just seems like a purely money grabbing, capitalistic endeavor.

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And that is just for somebody who loves art for art's sake, that just feels disgusting.

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It feels disgusting, you know.

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And the more popularity it gains, the more it hurts my heart because the more I realize,

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oh my goodness, there's a large fan base who's probably just enjoying this without giving

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it a second thought.

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And that hurts.

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And my worry here, especially with Tochi working with Jenny, is that I'm scared that we're

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going to have Drake 2.0.

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We're going to have Drake 2.0.

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We're going to let somebody come in, do collaborations, have features, bring on people to do features.

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And the whole purpose might be to have some sort of meshing of the fan base.

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I'm not sure what, but I'm worried that it's going to be seen as some kind of a co-sign

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to then go off and do a bunch more of this type of stuff where they take and take and

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take from the culture, from the art that I love, and then use it just simply for personal

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gain without giving back to that culture.

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That's my concern.

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My concern is that Jenny might become Drake 2.0.

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I'm so scared.

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I am so very, very scared.

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And so I had this feeling, right, of the...

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I had a sense that it was coming.

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When I was seeing all these interviews at late night shows and guest performances from

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BTS and Twice, and I was like, oh no, no, no, please don't.

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I was hoping that it would stay in the pop realm.

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I was like, okay, if you just stay in pop, if you just do collaborations with Justin

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Bieber, it'll be fine.

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Y'all are all in the pop space and pop music generally just steals from everybody else

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anyways.

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So stay in that pop realm and then maybe I'll be fine.

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I was trying to tell myself, I was trying to comfort myself in that way.

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And then I saw Dochi and I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no, please no.

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Oh, this hurts my heart.

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Oh my goodness.

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I don't know how to feel.

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You know what?

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Somebody help me.

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Help me figure out how to feel here.

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Please leave your comments.

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Give me your thoughts.

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Help me work through what I am witnessing because I can't really even process all of

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the feelings that I have at this very moment.

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Lord, help me.