From the Dungeons of Morningstar, my name's Stretch.
And I'm Clint, and this is Prevailing Strange.
So, I think we're going to run this a little
bit different. Maybe not that different, but
we'll introduce maybe something more segmented.
Yes, well, evolution. Evolution. Usually takes
different paths. I think we'll begin this week
with our weekly reviews, which will be us sharing
our thoughts on the content we've consumed this
week. Sounds good. Having a bit of structure
could be a little bit better because I think
we started with something last week and then
we ended with the same topic, but there was like
75 different things in between. I think that
was lanterns we came back to twice, at least
twice. At least. Yeah. We'll try and reign it
in. We get excited. We do. This week you caught
up on episode three of Daredevil. I sure did.
And we watched episode four of Daredevil. Last
night. Last night, yeah. Thoughts on episode
three? I'm sort of, I didn't think I would miss
the suit or Daredevil as much as I am. And I
know we're only four episodes in, but only seeing
Daredevil once. There was a moment in episode
four last night where I was like. And then I
was like, ah. Yeah, it was a bit of a tease.
It was. It was like, oh, I tickled the tip. And
then it's like, no, I'm not going to do anything
about it. No. So I'm still enjoying it, though.
I'm loving the little stabs he's giving the cops
every time he sees them. Yeah. I think it's definitely
getting better with each episode. Yeah. Was it
18 episodes, wasn't it? No. It is nine episodes
per season. But the arc is over two seasons.
Right, okay. There you go. Yeah. That's still
a long season of TV, like nine one -hour episodes.
Considering that it's one overall arc that they're
going to be doing, I kind of hope that we get
to see him in the suit before the end of the
first season. Bro. Do you think this whole arc
is going to stay pretty tight to the Frank Miller
line? I mean, it's already diverged from it.
It has a little bit, yeah. They already used
part of that storyline in season three. Yes.
I think they're using parts of it. They've been
pretty loose with that. So I was talking to Jack
about that today. He's like, oh, don't watch
Full Metal Alchemist. Watch Brotherhood. And
I'm like, why? And he goes, because Brotherhood
follows the books more. And I'm like, I don't
mind if it deviates from the book a bit because
if I've already read the book and it follows
it to the T, then all it's doing is doing what
Disney's been doing with its live -action remakes.
Yeah. So I like a bit of deviation. We've already
deviated off the subject already. No, of the
Deadpool. We're still on the Deadpool. Daredevil.
Daredevil, sorry. Sorry. I'm not too familiar
with the Frank Miller run myself. Only kind of
what I've... It's Frank Miller. It's going to
be Goats. Only what I've kind of looked up since
that this season was called Born Again. We got
our first glimpse at Frank Castle in this episode.
Dude. That was a heavy scene. Very. Yeah. In
season four, episode four, very heavy. Yeah.
There was a quote that he said in that that just
tore me to shreds, dude. Just three words. Go
get him, Dad. Or go get him, Daddy. No, get him,
Daddy. Get him, Daddy. Fuck, I was close. Fuck,
dude. I was just like. What? Three words I would
not have got until I was a dad. Yeah, absolutely.
But fuck, that was hard to watch and just seeing
Matt not be able to say Foggy's name. Yeah, that
definitely tore him up. Oh, yeah. The end of
the third episode ending with the slaying of
White Tiger. I was really digging his character.
Yeah. Not just the white tiger of it, but Hector
himself. I was hoping there was going to be more,
but no. It was just like... The actor for Hector,
he actually passed away not long after the role.
He was actually very sick when he filmed this.
No fucking way. Yeah, yeah. Cancer, I believe.
Oh, of course it was. So he must have been a
nice guy. Yeah. Well, he looked like he... I
mean, I'm pretty sure it was the character because
the amulet's supposed to kind of... Give him
power. ...weigh on them when they're not using
it. You're right. I think that added some gravitas
to his performance, maybe the pain that he was
enduring during filming. They said they had to
take their time with his shots when they actually
filmed it. So that was back in 2023 when they
filmed this. That was like the whole Chadwick
Boseman of it all. Yeah. Like you could see his
decline as... As the movies went on. Yeah. Well,
even when you saw him at the award shows, he'd...
Didn't look too happy to be there. No, he was.
Which is quite understandable. Some other things
that popped up in that third episode that we
didn't get to talk about because I was lazy and
didn't watch it. Just the Fisk's bloody knuckles.
Nothing's mentioned about it. And it's like,
hold on, what's going on? What's he doing? You
get that payoff in episode four. You get that
payoff in episode four. It was like just a little,
it was a couple of frames of bloody knuckles.
You're like, he's been up to some shit. Yeah,
he has been. And then it's like that payoff.
Yeah, that deep, dark secret kept in the basement.
But in that scene where he's in his basement
and he's eating that big plate of food, I'm like,
he's not eating that pile of food. He's lost
so much weight. There's no way he's eating all
that pasta and sausages. Yeah. Definitely a part
of the torment he's a prisoner. He's captive.
Yeah. I'm like, who is that? Who is that? And
then I'm like, again, it's paying off. Something
that happened episodes earlier. where you find
out that Vanessa had an extramarital affair and
Kingpin said, don't worry, I'm not going to hurt
him. I'm not going to do nothing bad. I've moved
on. I'm not that person no more. Flat out lie.
I think he's just steadily over the course of
the show. He's just going to get pushed and pushed
and pushed until he snaps. We can sort of see
that when he's talking to Vanessa about stuff
and he's like, I don't want. I don't want that
old lie for us. And she's still going out and
doing the shit. She's, you know, she's the man.
Yeah, I think he's going to, yeah, go dark. Oh,
yeah. We got a first look at Muse. Oh, dude.
Comic accurate get up. So good. Yeah, you look
pretty cool. So good. So he's the one that's
been doing all the murals. Yeah, yeah. And there's
issues where he literally just cuts bodies up
and places them like an art installation all
around the city. And it's like he's a serial
killer. Yeah, he's pretty dark. He's dark, dude,
like people's entrails and shit. And the fact
that they keep that scene where he's just like
siphoning blood out of old mate's leg, I'm like,
oh, my God, here we go. We're going to see some
shit. Yeah, I think that's going to be the medium
for his art next, big artwork. Well, in Fisk's
dungeon when he's torturing Adam, you see that
piece of artwork on his wall. From the first
show. From the first show. Yeah. It's like has
Muse been around since the first episode or is
that a piece of Muse's original artwork? No,
no, that's from the first show. That's when he
first met Vanessa. They were looking at that
picture. And then I think it's in the last season,
there's the fight in his penthouse, is it? And
the blood spray. The blood spray. That's right.
So it's a bit of a callback to his white suit
with the blood on it. Yeah. I like that. That
was a good touch. Yeah. That was like in the
first episode where he's going through his clothes
and he stops on the white suit and then. Iconic.
Yeah. Who's the actor that's playing Muse? Do
you? So we've already seen him without the mask
on. He was in the line for the book signing for
Daredevil's girlfriend. The psychologist. The
psychologist, yes. So his name was Bastion. Right,
right. Young fella. He's been in a couple of
shows in the past. I believe he was in Wednesday
and he was also in Your Honour opposite Bryan
Cranston. That's another show I want to watch.
Partway through season two and, yeah, it's been
pretty good. Yeah? Yeah. Holds up? It does. I
love Bryan Cranston. I think he's just sensational.
Yeah, fantastic. But, yeah, seeing that comic
accurate, like when the camera just pans up from
the leg and it's just straight on his face, I'm
like, oh, that's dark. That's going to be sick.
Like there's just blood all down his face. I'm
like, let's go and punch him. I am interested
to see what his power set is in this because
he's an inhuman comic. Exactly right. And he's
able to evade Matt Murdock's kind of. Super Sensors.
Yeah. Whether he's going to be an Inhuman or
a Mutant, which we've got a few of them so far
in the Marvel Universe, whether it's just going
to be a natural talent of his. Yeah. It's going
to be interesting to see how that unfolds. See,
this is the thing too. We all like Agents of
S .H .I .E .L .D. introduced Inhumans. That's
canon. I wasn't sure if that was retconned or
not. Did they retcon that? Because I stopped
watching it just before Ghost Rider came into
it. So I don't know whether they retconned it
and sort of pushed it to the side because that
was garbage. I never watched it. Trash. I think
I watched the first episode. I was like, oh,
I think they should have left Coulson dead. Should
have, most definitely. Like he was a favourite
character of mine, but they definitely should
have left him dead. The gravitas of him like
dying and, you know, Fury going, lost my one
good eye. And he's only got one eye left. And
he said, my one good eye. And it's like that
was the catalyst for them all joining together
and fucking shut up. Leave him dead. Give him
that respect and leave him dead. Yeah, it was
perfect the way it was. They didn't have to go
dredging him up again. But, I mean, it is a comic
book movie kind of universe. No one ever usually
stays dead. No, never really. Yeah, it'd be interesting
to see, you know, nobody stays dead, whether
they cheapen Foggy's death by the end of this
run or not. Like, as much as I hate to see Foggy
gone, I don't think they could do that. Well,
there is storylines in it where he actually goes
into WITSEC and all that sort of shit, but the
weight of that first scene where Matt can hear
his heartbeat slowing, if you're cheap in that,
you're going to ruin the whole series. The whole
thing is meant to be grounded and meant to be
this, that. If you have this bloke who's got
superpowers who can tell who a person is walking
just because of their foot weight and he can
find a bullet in a drain by listening to a bottle,
you cannot have him lose the heartbeat and have
that whole moment and then cheapen it at the
end. Yeah, surely. Like I said, as cool as it
would be to see Foggy back, no, just leave it
as is. Just leave it. Not that we have a say.
Marvel doesn't listen to us. That's right. Maybe
they should. They should. I mean, no, please
don't. I talk so much shit. Yeah. Well, you're
not supposed to agree. Well, I can't lie. Fuck
you, man. So, yeah, the end of the third episode
we saw Hector Aiella? Aiella, yeah. As the white
tiger gets slain by somebody, presumably. A fanboy
of The Punisher. Well, when I seen that, I instantly
looked, Frank, what the fuck? Like literally
that was my, no. Yeah. I think the fact that
his face was obscured is the obvious. Sort of
led to it not being him. Yeah, it's a cop, a
dirty cop most likely. But in the beginning of
the fourth episode, we actually meet the fourth
incarnation of White Tiger in the Marvel Comics
universe. his niece. Well, there you go. I didn't
even know that. Yeah. So I'm guessing she's way
too young but could be a young Avenger. Yep.
Who knows? We might see her dye her white. Watching
him in court and when Matt outed him, I'm like,
what? No way. And then you see that whole shit
cascade in front of you. And then. the people
who have been protected by him and the stories
that they're telling and just seeing him sit
there going, I've actually had a good impact
on people's lives. I've done good. I've done
a good job. And you hear the way people are going,
this city is trash, it's dangerous, and he protects
me. He's never asked for nothing. And I'm like,
wow, that was heavy hitting. There's a lot of
moments in this show that are hitting hard just
with some dialogue. A little disappointed with
his costume. There was something about it. It
felt a little cheap. But then again, he was a
street level character. He was a street level
character. You can't really go expecting him
to look like Spider -Man. Yeah, Tony Stark's
not going to. And Tony Stark's, spoilers, dead.
So he can't make the suit. And neither can, is
it Marvin? The one that made Matt's suit? Yeah.
What happened to him in the end? Did something
happen to him? No, he went, him and Betsy. went
on their own way and Matt said, I'm never going
to. That's right. I'm never going to need you
again. Yeah. He's like, I want to keep you protected.
And then he'd give him the Billy Club and this
is something I want you to have as a parting
gift sort of thing. Speaking about the Billy
Clubs, it was pretty interesting to see him using
the weighted end, the grapple end. Yes. Yeah,
that was pretty cool. Actually seeing him getting
out and doing some fucking shit was, yeah, I
was like, let's see some more of that. Keen to
see, get another better look at the mask range,
whether they're just variants, whether there's
ones from season one or whether he's got some
different colours. I think there has been some
screen grabs posted online that there is different
iterations, different colours. So you've got
the yellow one, of course, which we've seen in
She -Hulk. Yeah, I think in the preview I saw
maybe three or four. But from the shot in this
episode, they look like there was a lot more.
Yeah. When they opened up and just the eyes were
glowing, I'm like, oh, yeah. Definitely cool.
What do you think about the BB's kind of news
articles that are sprinkled throughout? Honestly,
man, I could give or take it. I don't really
need it. I wish that Ben Urick didn't die because
he's a kick -ass character. Yeah. And he's a
mainstay of Daredevil, whatever happens. Yeah.
Like, give or take, I don't like the whole. Yeah,
they're not hitting for me. No. For me, it's
just you're in these epic scenes and then it
cuts to her little commentary on the city. Yeah.
Make them grainier or less high definition or
something. Like, because they're pretty much
the same quality camera. Yeah. It's just kind
of giving a bit of shake to make it look less
pro. I am hoping there's going to be some payoff
to these down the track. I agree. But right now,
yeah. Very, very miss. Filler. I was more inclined
when you see Fisk Fix the Road and someone's
filming it and they've posted it to social media.
That was, you know, the aspect ratio of it was
a bit better and it was just, I don't know, it
just takes you out. Yeah. And I think if that
wasn't in, then I don't think I'd miss it. No,
not at all. I will be. interested to see how
far that goes. There was another bit where old
mate Sarkarzy is talking to him and you just
see Fisk's eyes go, and I got chills, man. I'm
like, that shift in the way he's able to portray
that character just like that was sensational.
D 'Onofrio is a fantastic actor. So good. But
like he was just like he looked all solemn and
his eyes were down and then there was a moment
where he's like, you do that again. And his eyes
just shifted. I'm like, I believe what you're
saying, sir. I'm sorry. I was apologising to
him and I was looking at him through the TV.
Frank Castle's part in this episode, do you think
it's going to be the last time we see him? No.
No, there's got to be more to that. In respect
to Daredevil, like I know that we're going to
get the special. There's no way on earth Frank
Castle is letting cops go around with his vest,
shooting bullets with his logo and committing
murder against innocent people. Oh, absolutely.
There's no way he's going to let that go. But
I'm thinking, was that the setup for the special?
If we've got another 14 episodes of this one
arc, I can't ever see it just being that one
five -minute scene, especially since... You know,
we've got to get Karen Page. She's definitely
got to come back. And you can't have Karen Page
come back without her interacting with Frank.
That's like his conduit to Matt. Yeah. I just
think there's a lot of heat between them two.
There's a lot of. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I don't
know whether they want to portray too much of
that and deviate from the story. because they're
always going to bang heads, you know what I mean?
Yeah. I kind of feel like that's the first and
last time we're going to see him. You reckon?
Yeah, I'm going to put money on it, yeah. Do
you talk to Kim Foggy? No. No? No. Do you have
an insight? I do not, no. Just the way they kind
of ended it, he said goodbye and I was like...
He also said goodbye, Frank, in season two of
Daredevil. He did, yeah. The thing is, Matt Murdock
probably wouldn't stand for Castle going around
killing these cops. If he's sicked Castle on
these cops, he'd probably step in to kind of
stop him. So I think we've got that route to
the special where he's going to go kick some
corrupt cop arse. If you're going to give Frank
Castle his own special, I don't think it's just
going to be against some corrupt cops. I think
there's going to have to be a bigger antagonist.
Antagonist. There has to be something bigger
than that because Frank Castle's no pushover.
We've seen him hold his own against DD, seen
him hold his own against Bullseye. He's no schlop.
You've got to put someone. To make it formidable
for Frank Castle, it has to be bigger than some
crab cobs. I would be happy to be wrong to see
him again because that scene was fantastic and
John Barantol has chops, man. He's buffed up
big, too. Do you see the size of his chest under
that jacket? Jesus Christ. I don't pay as much
attention as you do. Oh, shit. I can tell. I
think that's about as much as we can cover for
Daredevil, really. I just choked up reading that
Get Em Daddy on my notes. Oh, dude. So well delivered,
man. The way he just looked and it was like he
gets kicked in the guts every time he hears that.
He's a broken man. Tortured man every day. And
that's what he was saying to Matt. He's like,
you can't even say his name. You hear his voice,
don't you? You hear Foggy's voice all the time.
I'm not good with lines, but what was his line
that he said? You hear him talking to you, what
is he saying? You know what I'm saying? Get him,
daddy. And I'm like, oh, goosebumps just singing
about a man. I'm like. Oh, man, he's a great
actor. He's that good I fucking hated him in
Walking Dead. He was a fucking horrible actor.
Can't save a brick. Oh, yeah, man, he was a cock.
Yeah, he was. But, like. That just shows how
well he can act. Was it? Yeah. He was in an episode
of How I Met Your Mother. Didn't even recognise
him. Fuck off, really? Serious, dude. He was
a party goer and his one line was, no problem,
hombre. And then he just walked off. He was chatting
up Robin Schabowski at the party. Okay. And it
was just, but yeah, charming as shit. He looked
pretty. He was like an Abercrombie model. And
then the first time I seen him act big was The
Walking Dead. I think that was his first major
role. That was his breakout role, yeah. And you're
right, you hated him. He was that good. What
was the follow -up thing that I saw him in that
I thought, okay, yeah, no, he's good? He was
in Fury. Fury? Yeah. Nailed it. He just pops
up in everything now. But honestly, I sit there
and I scratch my brain. I'm thinking, who could
have been the Punisher as well? And every time
I get blocked, I'm cock -blocked by John Baron.
And just even Grizzly with that beard, man, it's
like, oh, he's going to rip some guts right out.
He's definitely a very typecast actor. But in
those roles. Range, man. He's got some range.
He's able to do that in pain and able to do that
given pain really well. And you can just the
emotion he gets in his face is just bullshit
good. I never got that with not Thomas Jane,
the one after. He passed away of cancer again,
yeah. Ray Stevenson. Yeah, Ray Stevenson. They
tried to be more comic accurate. He looked great
as the Punisher. Jigsaw was, you know, he was
a psychopath. But you never got emotion out of
Ray Stephens' Punisher. Yeah, okay. There was
no, you couldn't believe that he was doing this
because his family was slain in front of him.
Yeah. You didn't get that. Right. The same with
Thomas Jane. He's like. I made you kill your
wife. I made you kill your best friend. I made
you kill your kid. And then he just walks off
in fire. And it's like, okay, you had your whole
family slaughtered at a family event and you're
the only one that survives. And then when you
go and you approach all your friends that are
cops and you're like, if, you know, I'm disappointed
when the, you know, when the Red Sox lose the
World Series. I'm disappointed when the Lakers
lose the basketball. If that's disappointed,
what do I feel now? Yeah. I don't know. I can't
tell. Yeah. John Berenfold looks at the camera
and goes, get him, daddy, and you're fucking
sold. Yeah. You're like, that's someone that
Captain America would shoot in the face. Absolutely.
Like in Civil War. Like he's like, I'm not going
to deal with any criminals, any Captain America's
henchmen that he's brought in to help him against
Tony Stark. He just goes, bang, bang, shoots
them both in the head. He goes, we're not working
with criminals. It's like I believe John Barenthal
would do that. Yeah. But the other, and don't
get me started on Dolph Lundgren, but Ray Stevenson's
looked great. The action was great. The gore
was up there. Like there was blood packs going
off everywhere. Thomas Jane's movie was great.
It was very. Very two -dimensional, though. Yeah.
Do you know what I want to see in the upcoming
Secret Wars? Secret Wars? Oh, we're jumping that
far. Okay. Yeah, we're jumping away a little
bit here. No, no, no. I'm talking about timeline
-wise. You're not going to go Doom first? Because
Doomsday is the next one. Doomsday is the one
that's going to set it up. Yeah. Secret, not
Secret World. Secret Wars. Secret Wars is going
to be the one where we're going to see a fuckload
of cast. Dude. It's going to be ridiculous. It's
going to be the biggest cast ever assembled.
Yep. The thing about the comics is that the Punisher
idolises Captain America. I want to see him come
up against Chris Evans. Steve Rogers. Steve Rogers
as the Hydra Captain America. And see them go
toe to toe. Hail Hydra indeed. Dreaming big.
Probably will never happen, but that would be
cool to see that. We've seen a little bit of
that in Endgame where he goes, you know, he's
in the elevator and he goes, Hail Hydra. He's
like, ooh. A little nod to that, yeah. But, yeah.
But, yeah, if you see him in that black suit
and he's got the squid in the middle of his head
and it's like, oh, yeah, come on. Yeah. Seeing
two hand -to -hand combat specialists just going
nuts and then Frank Castle pulling knives and
guns out of his waistband and his heels and everything.
Yeah. It would be sick. Yeah. The stopping power
of a bullet against a super soldier and, you
know, somebody who knows how to use a weapon.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. That would be a very cool scene.
It'd be pretty shit if they did it from, like,
a mile away and he's on the rooftop with a .50
cal sniper rifle and just goes. Ale Hydra. Just
caps him. Caps him square in the head. Caps Cap.
Yeah, Caps Cap right in the squid. What? No,
I think that scene would play off better if he
was still dressed as Captain America before the
reveal of Captain Hydra. Yeah. And then Frank
Castle realising it and then pulling a gun on
Captain America when everyone's like, what the
fuck are you doing, Frank? Yeah. Yeah, because
he knows something that nobody else knows sort
of thing, and then he's like, I can give a shit,
he's Hydra. But did you read the Captain Hydra
storyline? No, no. He came out that he was a
double, triple agent. Yeah, that was a bit of
a fucking. Give me some payoff, don't you? Just
because all the fanboys and the readers and that,
because they were up in arms and they're like,
oh, didn't they just belt it? It's like, no,
give us something different. He's been around
since, what, the 40s? Give us something different.
Speaking about pop culture news. Yes, sir. Transition.
Transition. Segway. Segway even. Yeah, look at
that. The wavy lines. Yeah. I saw on my feed
about the Russo brothers talking about how they
have to go bigger and better than Endgame. How?
If anyone can, it's them guys. But how, dude?
Coming off the back of Electric State, I kind
of. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it either,
but it is fucking bombed on Rotten Tomatoes,
man. Really? I think it's like 14%. It's their
lowest so far. I can't stand Millie Bobby Brown.
Yeah, she's... Like, just seeing her interviews
with, like, her cast members and shit after the
success of Stranger Things. Yeah. She's... I
find her very detestable. Like, she's... Too
big for her own boots. She forgets where she
comes from and she's like, because I'm the main
character of Stranger Things, everyone else just
serves me. It's like, no. Absolutely. She's just
a young girl who's had all this attention, I
think, and it's just gone to her head, unfortunately.
Dude, massive ego inflation. She's a great actor,
at least as a child actor. I haven't seen her
in any movies. I don't know. She's been in Enola
Holmes. Enola Holmes. Didn't mind it. I haven't
watched it. The first one. I love Henry Cavill,
but I'm not going to watch it because she pisses
me off. I haven't watched Electric State. I probably
won't. I'll dive on your grenade, mate. I'll
watch it for you. Okay, thank you. Okay, and
I'll report a range from 10, Aquaman, to zero,
Lord of the Rings. Speaking of. I know, I've
copped hate. The votes, in my favour, thank you
very much, with 68%, agreeing. Now I'm not saying
it is the greatest movie or series of all time,
but one of the greatest. How do you like them
apples? The first comment, what was this on?
Because I don't have Facebook or Instagram. That
was Instagram. Oh, God. People on Instagram.
Just got no idea. That's where the poll was,
man. Oh, was it? You voted on it. No, I didn't.
Morningstar Tattoo voted on it. Yeah. Against.
I thought it was you. No. God, no. Okay. I voted
on YouTube and I was one of the only voters on
there except for me and Tarn. And what can I
say? I was right. I commented on YouTube. Yeah,
even with your two votes, it still doesn't push
it. I think there was 28 votes in total on Instagram.
Fucking Peter Jackson fangirls and boys. I didn't
like The Hobbit. It was just Lord of the Rings.
What other shit has Peter Jackson done besides
that King Kong? So his first movie called Bad
Taste. I don't know if you've ever seen it. It
was made in New Zealand back when he was young
about these aliens coming to Earth. And it is
fucking weird. And it's a cult thing. I'm not
a big fan of it, but I watched it because, you
know, Peter Jackson. He also did that Mortal
Engines. Did he direct that or did he produce
it? I haven't seen it. I didn't like it. So his
track record is not good, and you seem to think
that because you like hairy -footed hobbits.
Love hairy -footed hobbits. So you think. And
bearded dwarves. And pretty elves. Is that pretty
elves, though? Talking about Legolas. Oh, God.
Cheese and rice. Yeah, no, I don't know. It's
just I think it could be. A whole lot of nostalgia
for that movie. Speaking of Legolas. Yeah. First
three Lord of the Rings, they're like. Elves
don't age, blah, blah, blah. How old was the
grandmother elf? What's her name? Cate Blanchett.
Cate Blanchett. Galadriel. Galadriel. She was
thousands of years old. I mean, Legolas was one
of the younger ones and he was 2 ,000 years old
in Lord of the Rings. 2 ,000 years old. And then
he's meant to be younger in The Hobbit. And he
looks so much older. The contacts, man. Why did
they put contacts in his eyes? Fucking leave
it alone. They should have left it. And don't
put makeup on him to de -age him. Actually do
something about it. Or did he need to be in there?
Well, no, he's not in The Hobbit. No. He didn't
need to be there, did he? There's actually a
cut. You failed, Peter Jackson. You failed this
city. There's actually a cut you can download,
Torrent. which is The Hobbit cut. So it's the
three movies cut, everything, all the fat that
isn't in the book gone, put back together chronologically.
It's supposed to be pretty good. Well, they did
something similar to that with Breaking Bad.
Did they? Yeah. There's like a two -and -a -half
-hour Breaking Bad cut where they took every
episode, trimmed it down to all the good shit,
and it is apparently epic. Yeah, right. And that's
what got... El Dorado. El Camino. El Camino,
yeah. That's what got El Camino over the line.
They're like, we could do this. Right. And it
was because of a fan. That's like the Star Wars
despecialised editions. Oh, yeah. They kind of
overwrote fucking George Lucas' fiddling. Yes,
they took out all George Lucas' stuff. That was
my version of George Lucas' voice. And this is
more like what he sounds like. Yeah, because
he butchered those with the Blu -ray editions.
Yeah, just some extra scenes that looked like
they were made with plasticine and she was just
terrible. Yeah. Even the colouring, they changed.
So far off. Yeah. What other news have you got
for me, sir? So South by Southwest has just ended,
I believe. It's the film festival over there
in the States. Oh, yep, yep, yep. They premiere
a lot of stuff over there. Okay. And they were
talking to Neil Blomkamp. I heard this news and
I'm excited. Who is rebooting Starship Troopers,
which we just happened to be talking about last
week. Dude, watched it today. Yeah, I did. Watched
it in the shop today. Nice. It still holds up.
Yeah. Dude, so excited for that. Yeah. Seeing
how well he did with practical effects and simple
special effects in District 9, if he can bring
that level of detail to the... To the arachnids.
Mate, he's going to kill this. Yeah, absolutely.
Even, what was that robot movie that he did?
Chappie. Chappie. Yeah, I kind of liked it. It
looked fantastic, I reckon. Hugh Jackman's hair
was shit. Yeah. Yes. I'm not a big fan. And his
South African accent was pretty terrible too,
eh? Yeah. But yeah, so Starship Troopers getting
rebooted with Sony. So excited. Be good to see
a half -decent kind of budget for it. I think
he's got the chops. I really wanted to see him
do the alien. Yes. He actually was signed on
to do it and then something happened and he added
it like he was disappearing. I forget what happened
there, but a whole lot of concept art that came
out from that. Yeah, I was pretty keen for that.
Seeing what he'd done with a little budget for
District 9, because I don't think that was a
big budget at all. Sony's going to throw some
money at him for this. And I hope he doesn't
overextend and keeps – I'd rather see him use
the same technology that he used for Dick Street
Nine to get the character of the prawns. Yeah.
But flush out more of this story. I want to see
more of – I want him to keep in the – would you
like to know more? Like the whole – the news
cut of it? Well, I mean, yes and no. Because
I haven't read the book, so I'm only going in
what I know. Well, the movie, that was a complete
different kind of take. Right. They did that
whole, you know, mockumentary type style thing
about it. I kind of would like to see it more
of a linear storyline. Right. Because you are
right, it does chop back a bit. Yeah. Because
the book was good. Like, it's a good source material.
Yeah. And, I mean. I don't know whether I wanted
to lean into the campiness again. Right. Because
we've got that. You know what I mean? I'd like
to see a serious take this time. Yeah, let's
go. Okay. Yeah. A gory take this time. Make it
more hardcore. Maybe like Zeno's kind of alien
style. More scary. Yeah. Yeah. Some more edge
into it. Bugs are fucked up. Yeah. I want to
see more of this. So you've got to watch it like
that. Yeah. Can you imagine a big bug? Like a
big bug would be fucking. Less vagina bugs. Less
vagina bugs, yeah. That was very, very vagina.
Yeah, it was. And they were bright and colourful
and they looked cool. The book isn't clearly
a novel. There's no images in it. I'm pretty
sure it's more of a novella because it's only
pretty short. Is there images in it? No, no,
no. It's a straight up sci -fi. I think it was
published in a science fiction magazine back
in the 70s or something like that. Right, okay.
So I loved the character design except for the
vagina bug, the brain bug. Yeah. I really dug
the character design. Yeah. Even down to the
lava spilling Christmas beetle. Yeah. They were,
it was fantastic. Like I said, the animal design,
the monster design was. Just great. So to come
into this new one with Neil Blomkamp, if he is
allowed to do what he does, fantastic. If Sony
comes in and goes, hey, Madam Wen was a massive
success, we need you to keep to that. Did he
do Elysium? Yes. Yeah. That looked visually fantastic.
Yeah. Agreed. And it was a big movie and it kind
of had that. action kind of, because I think
he really likes mechanoid stuff. Yeah, so robotic
and there's a lot of that. Yeah, well, there's
the mechs in Elysium as well. Yeah. With Matt
Damon. Yeah. It could be really cool seeing a
whole heap of people kind of getting around in
like Day After Tomorrow kind of style suits and
fighting big bugs and shooting big guns. In Starship
Troopers Marauder, which is the third one, they're
actually in like, you ever play that game back
in the day, MechWarrior? Absolutely. Well, that's
the Marauder suits were like MechWarriors. Right,
yep. That were animated in Windows 95. I mean,
it's probably got to be better than RoboJocks.
Did you ever watch that back in the day? No.
Ooh, 80s. Yeah. Nostalgia right there. Really?
RoboJocks, yeah. But then, but going back to
Alien. Mm -hmm. The mechanised loader. The loader,
yeah. I know that was a bodybuilder in the suit,
but that was cool. It was cool. I dug that. Yeah.
Did you ever see, like, the Halloween costume
of that? Yeah, with the baby in that, yeah. So
good. Basic as shit, but it looks so good. Yeah.
But, yeah, very excited for it. Yeah, I think
you can pull off something good. Absolutely.
And I do love a good sci -fi movie. Mm -hmm.
The other thing I saw. Mortal Kombat 2 is coming
out soon. Yes. Did you see who they've cast as
Johnny Cage? He looks old. The man of many faces.
He's Carl Urban. I'm happy with that. Dude, he's
got to be the king of the nerds right now. You
look at Doom. Yep. The boys. Judge Dredd. Dude,
we need more Judge Dredd, man. Give that man
the helmet and give me more Judge Dredd. Yeah,
it was that movie. Chef's kiss. Which one? Dread.
The second one. No. Yeah, obviously. There's
only one, mate. Don't go bringing Sly Stallone's
movie into this. I did like Stallone's version.
So campy. I know. I know. But I loved it as a
kid, man. I thought it was fantastic. The inbred
cannibals in the desert. Back on Carl Urban.
Yeah. Yeah, he played one of the Asgardians.
I forget what the name of him. Pretty funny character.
Skull. It was Skull. Skull, was it? Yeah, he
was. Skurg. Skurge. Skurge. Skurge. Yeah. Not
Skull. He was Bones in Star Trek. I was about
to say Star Trek. Man, he's been in a lot. He
was. Laurel and Hardy. Laurel and Hardy, yeah.
So you fucking know. Oh, shut up. It's just because
I remember stupid shit like that. Yeah, probably.
You can ask me stuff I said last week. I've got
no idea. Ask me some obscure thing about a movie
from the 80s, 90s or noughts. And I don't know.
Just in there, bubbling away in the back of the
brain. Yeah. But, yeah, Johnny Cage, one of my
favourite characters, finished number two with
Johnny Cage the whole way through with the high
kick. And that's all I used. Oh, did you use
nut punch? Yeah. I didn't mind the first one.
The newest. Kano, the Australian swearer. Sensational.
Yeah. Loved it. And Scorpion was so good. So
good, man. I want to see more. I do. And I think
it's about, I think it's really good that we're
getting rated R, more rated R content, you know,
because you think about the people who were around
when these games, movies and properties were
brought around. And what we were exposed to at
that time. What we were exposed to. A, B, A,
C, A, B, B. Give me the blood code on the Sega
Mega Drive. I don't know how I remember that.
I don't know how you remember that. A -B -A -C
-A -B -B. It's the blood code. Put that in at
the start menu. You get blood. Knowing that we
grew up back then and we're the ones that are
going to go watch it because it's tickling our
nostalgia bone. We're all over the age of 18.
Give us that rated R bullshit. We're not going
to take our 8 -year -old kid to – well, I probably
will. We're not going to take our 8 -year -old
kid to go watch Mortal Kombat. We're not going
to take your old kid to go watch Dread. No. Give
us that, dude. Yeah. You've seen Deadpool. It
works. You've seen Dread. It works. Absolutely.
Fucking let's go. Show me more. Yeah. Cater to
the audience. A perfect example. Point Break.
Yeah. The 90s movie. What were your thoughts?
I enjoyed it. One of the best movies that's ever
been made. Yeah. It is. Point Break, it still
holds up today. Keanu Reeves, Patrick Swayze,
sensational. Gary Busey before he had brain aneurysm.
Or a car accident, either or. Then they remade
Point Break. They called it Point Break. Had
one surfing scene in it. Yeah. Why did you need
to name that Point Break? It could have. It could
have been a completely different movie. They
did it with Fast and the Furious. It's the exact
same movie. Fast and the Furious and Point Break.
Just with cars instead of surfing. No. It is.
No. Yeah, it is. No. 100%, man. I'm not. Think
about it. Point Break wasn't about family. Score.
Well, it kind of was. It was kind of about that
found family that they had together when they
were robbing the banks with all the president
masks on and shit like that. They're all kind
of thrill seekers fucking banded together. But
I didn't get that. I thought it was just a means
to an end for that. I didn't see. That is a family
dynamic. I just sort of seen it as a bunch of
young blokes that had an interest in surfing
together. They partied together, yeah, but even
when his girlfriend, who he was apparently in
love with and was a member of his family, he
literally hired a crazy person to kidnap her
and cut her to pieces. So I can't see Vin Diesel
doing that to Michelle Rodriguez in Fast and
Furious. Yeah, you're looking too deep that way.
That's more family. But the undercover agent
that goes too deep into that and goes into that
lifestyle and then lets Patrick Swayze go at
the end, lets Vin Diesel go at the end, it's
basically the same movie. But Keanu Reeves knew
that he wasn't coming back off that wave. Keanu
Reeves knew he was going to die on that wave.
That's why you let him go. Mate, semantics. You
change a little bit, you don't want to get done
with copyright. It's basically the same thing.
Same formula. Yeah, there we go. Okay, because
Fast and Furious is actually based on a news
report about underground street racing in LA.
But based on the frame of point blank. Point
blank. Fuck. Point Blank, what a great game.
Did you ever see they made a movie of that? So
bad. Anyway. Point Break. Point Break, yeah.
Yes. But, yeah, they didn't need to make Point
Break the remake. No, that's right. That first
one was perfect. Just leave it. There's so many
other movies like that, though, and it just shits
me to tears. Yeah, absolutely. It doesn't need
to be done. Another thing that came up at South
by Southwest was the director, From Cloverfield.
Ooh, yeah. Has said that he's still. Was that
not J .J. Abrams? J .J. Abrams, I think, had
something to do with it, maybe produced it. It
was Bad Robot. That's right. It was his production
company. That's right. But he's working on a
sequel. Now, that's a trilogy. So you've got
Cloverfield, Cloverfield Paradox, and then Cloverfield
Lane. Yeah, but the other two weren't made by
him, weren't directed by him. Right. So they're
in the same universe. Okay. They're kind of.
what was going on with that entire thing. But,
yeah, he's working on a straight -up sequel.
How did you feel about Cloverfield, knowing that
it was like the fan footage film? Did you leave
going, what the fuck happened? Where did it come
from? What was it? Yeah. Did you run into that
or were you happy with it? I enjoyed it. Yeah?
It definitely missed out on that. the publicity
that the pioneering Blair Witch had. The Blair
Witch, yeah. Dude, that was, everyone was sharing
that before. Now, you had to watch the trailer.
You had to spend three and a half hours in front
of your PC, downloading at 56 kilobytes a second.
Yeah, like they made fake articles for that.
Yeah, dude. There was fake websites. There was.
People thought that shit was real, man. Legit,
yeah. And the first paranormal activity was the
same. Yeah, the birth of the internet kind of.
Yeah, they had this viral campaign. Absolutely.
It was incredible. Yeah, and it's still one of
my favourite scary movies. Yeah. Well, they even
had the three main actors. Apparently they weren't
even in on it. I think they were brought in not
knowing to begin with. They're like, here, we're
going to send you there. So some genuine reactions,
I think, until about halfway through the production.
Because they weren't even allowed to, they didn't
attend the premiere, they didn't do no press,
there was no nothing. It was just like, these
fuckers actually died. Yeah. It was meant to
be thought of as a legit documentary. And it
worked. It worked so well. I don't think we will
see the like of that kind of. And I think it
was some stupid budget like. $57 ,000 or something
they spent on back in the day. Yeah, not much
at all. If you look at Clerks, that was $50 ,000.
Yeah. And that was in the 90s, 92. Yeah. And
Kevin Smith's even said that he filmed that in
his convenience store where he worked after hours.
After hours, yeah. With his friends. Yeah. And
it's still costing 50 grand. Yeah. To have that
film be, to have the Blair Witch Project as successful
as it was on the shoestring budget was just unheard
of. Yeah. Whoever came up with that viral campaign
idea was definitely what sold it. Absolutely.
And I think there's probably a good chance they
spent most of their budget on that. Yeah. Building
websites and convincing people to run articles.
Dude, I remember searching when I was a teenager.
Like the website, what is the Blair Witch? Horrific.
Yeah. Horrific. Yeah. To something to kind of.
put on the developing brain of a generation and
the way that they think about shit nowadays.
Yeah, it definitely had an influence on a lot
of people. Well, dude, you have a look at what
it has influence even in the media. Like found
film footage has become a genre on all of its
own. Yeah, absolutely. Whether it be horror,
science fiction, comedy, you know, scary movie,
haunted house, all these things are found footage
films. It's just from that one film. Yeah. There's
not many movies around that have sort of ushered
in a whole genre of film on its own. I want to
watch that again, yeah. Like even now, 25 years
later, you say fan footage and you're like Blair
Witch straight away. Yeah. That's pretty much
all I've got for the news part of it. Okay. And
now we have our rant and sundry segment. Well,
this is where we're going to have some fun. I
want to know, what's your favourite? Sci -fi
movie of all time. Ooh. Interstellar's not really
sci -fi. It's more of a documentary. And it's
more the score for that that sells me. Yeah.
I get so many feelings from the score in that
movie. Sci -fi. Holy shit, dude. That's my wheelhouse.
That's my jam. That's my favourite. That's what
I'd ask you. Oblivion with Tom Cruise is always
a go -to for me. That was a great movie. Stylistically,
it looked fantastic. Didn't change the world,
but it was a great watch. Yeah. The OG Star Trek
with, not the OG Star Trek, like the remake Star
Trek. The first of the remakes. Yeah, the J .J.
Abrams one. Yeah. I know everyone would expect
me to say Star Wars, but no. Look, I love Star
Wars. Yeah. Not my favourite sci -fi. Yeah. We're
not going to class Endgame as sci -fi, are we?
No, it's a comic book movie. Yeah, let's give
that. Comic book movie. Can I give you a five?
Can I give you a top five? Meet Half -Life, give
me the top three. Okay. In no specific order.
Okay. Blade Runner 2049. Ooh, yes. Interstellar.
Mm -hmm. Day After Tomorrow. All good choices.
Thank you. Yeah. What about you? Now, there's
probably one I'm forgetting. We're not going
to class Ready Player One as sci -fi. No. That's
reality. That's going to happen. Don't, because
it's going to make my list so much harder. Yeah,
no, we'll just go with your first three. Okay,
you give me three. No, I'm going to give you
my favourite. Ooh, okay. Arrival. All right.
That was a thinker. Yeah. That had my brain ticking,
dude. And in my opinion, that's what a really
good sci -fi should do. I don't know. I can't
sell that movie. Yeah. I can't tell you. I can
sell you a movie. I can explain it in a way where
I'm like, you're like, okay, I'm going to watch
that. I can't sell Arrival to you. Yeah. I get
that. Without saying there's an egg that comes
to Earth and it's run by octopuses. Well, not
really octopuses. It's more like a hand. And
they do graffiti. That's basically what I can
sell to you. I don't have the vocabulary to explain
that movie to a layman. Aliens come to Earth
looking for man's help? No, that still wouldn't
sell it to me. Yeah, okay. But when you watch
that movie, you're like. Yeah. Beautiful ending,
dude. Yeah. Oh, my God, that ending. That's what
sells it for me, above Interstellar. That fucking
ending. Yeah. The whole way through it where
she's having them visions and you think her kid
has died, but it's not that. I think it's her
memory. Yeah. Is it a memory, but it's not from
the past? It's not from that. Bro. It's got levels,
man. So many levels and visually gorgeous. Yes.
Beautiful. Great actors, Amy Adams, Jeremy Renner.
Yeah. Their tension. Yeah. The levels of it.
Like to play them meeting for the first time
but you think they've got like a past. You think
they've got a past. You think they've got some
chemistry but they don't. Like that's their first
meeting and you think she's like she's closed
off in a way where you think that the child has
passed. Mm -hmm. But it hasn't. She's yet to
open up, but then. Yeah. That was well done.
Well played, sir. That's probably why it's my
favourite sci -fi movie of all time. Love it.
He's done some fantastic movies. I'm not aware
of the director. Who is the director? Denis.
Villeneuve. Villeneuve. The god, dude. Mr. Dune
himself. He did Dune 1 and 2, and he also did
Blade Runner 2049. Mate. Yeah. He can pull off
a set piece. Mate, anything that Denis Villeneuve
directs, you bet your ass I'll be watching it.
Yeah, absolutely. I did not know he made that
movie. Yeah, he did. I had no idea. Makes sense,
though, because bloke can direct a film. His
wide shots for scenes, especially in Dune, the
first one, they're just. They paint a picture
of a world that could be real. Yes. It's fucking
phenomenal. And from a place that is primarily
fucking sand. It's got character. Oh, yeah. It's
got character. Now, they did a deep dive. There
was a bloke on YouTube who did a deep dive on
the structures. He made the structures to be
able to withstand the high -speed sandblasting
that it would take. Yep. He made the buildings
so that they would be actually, if we're going
to build on this desert that's going to have
these massive high winds and these huge ass worms,
this is what they're going to have to be built
like to last. When you're inside them buildings,
you feel like it's not disconnected from the
outside. And then when you look at them big broad
shots where you see the craft coming in and then
it's coming into the cities, you're like, I can
see that. You think. practically it's been built
and they're going to a set location. It's not
even there. No. And the scale of the ships in
Dune, mind -boggling. And not even just to kind
of just talk about Dune, but like even Blade
Runner 2044. 2049. 2049, yes. Thank you. Some
of the set pieces in it, the way he uses light.
Yeah. In the desert and then in the city, on
the beach, just the tones are gorgeous and the
way it just kind of almost looks like a matte
painting in the background but it's not. You
can feel the depth in it. Yeah, it's sensational
to watch. You put, see, Hans Zimmer, the composer,
elevates anything, right? Yeah. He'd done the
score for Dune, 2049, Interstellar, basically
anything that's awesome in the last 20 years,
he's done the score for, right? Yeah. You put
his talent beside anything, 2049, if you mute
that without any score, it just doesn't change
at all. No. You put his music over anything and
it just elevates it like that. He does stuff
with, we've seen him do it with Christopher Nolan
in the Dark Knight series all the way through,
Interstellar, Tenet, and then you've seen him
do Dune, Dune 2, 2049 with Denis. And I challenge
anyone to be able to do and merge with two directors
like that and still bring that top tier sound.
Yeah. Brings the heat. Oh, yeah. Dude, when I
used to work with everybody, everyone would be
like, oh, is it the best score you've ever heard?
Because I'd say about anything that Hans Zimmer
did. There was even days where I'd just play
Hans Zimmer scores all the way through the show.
Yeah, why wouldn't you? He'd done Inception as
well with Christopher Nolan. But, dude, good
Paul. I like that. I do have a – Honourable mention
for favourite sci -fi. While I think there is
better sci -fi out there, one of my favourites
would probably be Fifth Element. Yes. Hell, yeah.
Luke Bronson, is he? Yeah. Besson. Besson. Luke
Besson. French name. Damn. Yeah. Yeah. Just that
movie was fantastic. So good. Well, a bit of
trivia for you. They were dying. Milla Jovovich's
hair that much that it started to die and her
hair started falling out, so they had to make
a wig. Yeah. And I'm like, holy shit. It's pretty
wild. But that was her first role too, her first
film role. First big role, yeah, I think it was,
or at least first Hollywood role. I think she'd
done French stuff beforehand. Yeah, and the,
was it the opera singer was Luke Besson's wife
or something, but then he was sleeping with Angelina,
not Angelina Jolie, Jesus Christ. Emilia Jokovic
on the side. I'm like, what the fuck, bro? Jesus.
The language that she spoke, that was actually
created by the director, and they actually ended
up speaking it fluently, him and Emilia Jokovic.
So that's how they got the cheats. Yeah, by the
end of finishing the movie. But, yeah, Chris
Tucker in that movie, I mean. Fucking hell. Ruby
Rat. I think he was really keen to do the role
and then he saw some of the costumes and was
like, oh, hell no. And then he read the script
and he's like, oh, okay. Khan's got a dick on
his head all the time. Who the fuck thought of
that? Well, I mean. A leopard leotard and a dick
on your head, bro. It makes sense for something
set in the future to. For us to find that so
strange and jarring, like, yeah, it makes sense.
And did you see that opera part of it? Yeah.
Where she's singing that crazy song. It was meant
to be impossible for the human range. Yeah, there's.
A woman is actually. Yes. Can do it, has done
it. I saw the video the other day. I was like,
holy shit. It's sensational. Yeah. It was. I
love that movie, man. It's funny you say that.
Such a good movie. It looks so bright and poppy
where, you know, a lot of sci -fis tend to be
kind of grimy and muted tones and stuff like
that. Yeah. And I like that the main character,
Bruce Willis' character, Dallas Corbin. Corbin
Dallas Maltipass. He was a taxi driver because
the director's father. Took a second job as a
taxi driver to put him through art school. Fair
dinkum. Yeah, so that's why he kind of made a
hero. Did not even know that. Yeah, taxi driver,
which is pretty cool. That's fucking pretty cool.
But then, yeah, the alien practical effects that
they used in it, the shapeshifting dudes, yeah,
and just the guns are ridiculously large. There's
actually a bloke who's making the ZX -1, the
multi -shooter. There's a bloke who actually
makes. like transforming models of it. Hell,
yeah. That's cool as fuck. Like he's on all the
– well, I'm not on the Facebook anymore, but
he was actually in a lot of the 3D modelling
pages. Yeah. And he was selling them for like
$650 each. But they were all painted up. They
had all the surveys in it so they'd transform
and stuff. It was good. Hell, yeah. Even just
the set designs in that movie, especially a lot
of the rooms would have that compartments. that
would fold out to be Kitchens Bears and like
in that transport where Chris Tucker's character
and that lady have sex and just, yeah. Hidden
coming, Rudy. Yeah. Yeah, it looks awesome. Yeah,
I dug it. I thought it was a really good movie
and it still holds up. Again, the music of it.
Yeah. French -Cuban sort of sound. They used
it in Oceans 11 and 12 as well. But I love that.
Like when he's cruising through the city in his
taxi and there's that real poppy song. I dug
it, man. It was a complete movie. I liked it.
It's definitely rewatchable for sure. So rewatchable.
As opposed to probably Arrival, I don't think
you would rewatch that as much as you would rewatch.
Fifth Element. Look, as good as it is, you're
right, it is. When you watch it that first time,
you're like, what the shit? Yeah. You re -watch
it again and you sort of pick more up. Yeah.
But, yeah, it's not something. Like Ready Player
One, I could watch it. I used to watch it every
day in the old shoebox down the road. I fucking
hated it. What the bleep? How? Listen, I think
it had to do with they cut out a lot of the way
he went about to collect those keys. I had a
similar conversation with Jack up in the shop
today because we watched it today. Oh, yeah.
That could be an Amazon series. You could make
12 episodes of show. Because each key has three
challenges. Yep. So you got all that set up and
weaving for those three challenges. Yep. In the
movie, they cut it down to three keys. Yep. So
they cut way out of it. And, like, while it looked
fantastic, I think they had the opportunity to
– in the book, it felt like a lot of the scenes
took on the feel of the – that was meant to be
idolising. Like the entire book idolised the
80s. It did not feel like that at all. Like it
could have had like boppy tunes like out of all
the needle drops out of Guardians of the Galaxy.
Like it did have some, you know, it opened with
Jump by Van Halen. So it had some needle drops
through it. But you're right, it was more. It
was more of a place there to appease the book
instead of actually being part of the film. There
was no dusty arcades. No, no. Hidden in the back
of a dusty arcade. Like, that could have been
cool as fuck. They ruined the H reveal. Yes.
They kept, like, Daito alive. Yeah. You never
saw Daito and Shaito in person. Yeah, you did.
In the movie, yeah. In the book. Yeah, no, you
did. So Shoto shows up. After. Towards the end.
His brother's death. No, it is his brother in
the book. So shows up after Daito was thrown
out of the window and he rocks up and he's like.
No, they weren't brothers. They weren't brothers.
They weren't brothers? Brothers in the movie.
Yeah, I think in the movie they were brothers.
That's right. When Ogden Morrow collects all
the kids together and takes them to his. He's
compound. That's when he picks up show and he's
like, and they're like, where's Daito? And he's
like. They got to him. I was actually in a chat
with him. I was in a Discord chat with him while
this, while he was thrown out a window. And then
there's the news footage of Daito's death. I've
only watched the movie once. I can't remember.
Do they do the whole him in jail in the movie?
No, they don't do that either. They do. So Samantha
gets put in the loyalty centre. It's not. Right.
It isn't Wade. Yeah. So Samantha's locked in
the loyalty centre and they break her out. It's
not Wade in there. I agree. The movie's good
if you haven't read the book, but when you watch
the movie after reading the book, you want so
much more. They left so much out. Like how he
got the extra life. It was a bet with the library
in the movie. In the book, he actually went to
a different planet and he had to beat Pac -Man
to get the extra life. And it was in a backwoods
arcade. Yeah, dusty old arcade in the back of
nowhere. They mentioned Lutist once and they're
like, he spends. a quarter of the first book
on Ludus. Yep. And so that whole first Dungeons
and Dragons campaign, like not campaign, setting.
Yeah. With the cave that doesn't happen. Exactly
right. Him finding the guitar and the whole rush
sequence doesn't happen. Yep. Like, I mean, I
can understand they probably weren't able to
get a lot of the approvals for some things. See,
this is. This is where I run into that licensing
issue, right? Does he have to purchase licensing
for the book or can that just be because it's
a written word? Written word. I believe that
he doesn't think he has to have any. Because
there was no actual intellectual property and
it was just mentioning those people. Right, okay.
Now, Steven Spielberg comes to you and goes,
I'm making this film. In the book, you'll mention
in it, I want to, in the second book, there's
a fight with Prince. Prince, very back in the
day, would not let people use his songs in movies.
Batman was only done because he said, I'll write
original music for it. You shouldn't do movies
like this that are so heavy in nostalgia, so
heavy in needle drops, so heavy in nostalgia
and not bring it in because that's what it was
catering for. The whole story was, oh, mate,
love nostalgia, love the 80s. I think the movie,
or if they made a show, should feel a lot like
Stranger Things, at least in that first season
of Stranger Things, kind of had that retro. had
all the needle drops, that kind of aesthetic
where I think the movie was just too polished.
I think you're right to a certain extent. Like
when they're actually in the Oasis and because
they all love the nostalgia, you just stay in
areas of the game that was just nostalgia, would
you not? Yeah. There was none of that. Like wasn't
his headquarters or his chat room the basement
of a house? Yeah. With an arcade machine in the
corner. And IROC, he used to have all his mates
over and IROC used to come down there and he
was a little dweeby prick. And then even he had
his own planet that he'd go to and he'd go there
all the time in the DeLorean. You see the DeLorean
twice. Yeah, yeah. There's no, oh, I need to
earn money and I'm broke to get to this part
of the game. There was none of that. It was just
like, let's go there. Yeah, it didn't seem to
have any kind of urgency to the movie. No. I
do agree with you in that aspect. And then I
said that to Jack Tadam, like it needed to be,
it needed to get that television, how we were
talking last week about the long service television
shows, it needed to be that. Yeah. And I'm not
saying, well, it might happen in the future,
we don't know. But yeah, it needed it. I think
it was oversaturated too. Like there's that many
kind of Easter eggs in it that you'd have to
go back and watch it a hundred times, pause the
frames and check everything. It didn't necessarily
need that. No. People's avatars just could have
been weird and mucky avatars and they could have
dropped in this IP. and even just use one of
their toys or something like that in the background.
Dude, when he's walking through the introduction,
you see Battletoads, you see Master Chief, you
see the Ninja Turtles, you see Robocop, you see
Chewbacca, you see all these things. Why? Yeah,
they're all from different kind of years and
everything anyway. You didn't need, you could
have just had like a peppering of one. Like in
the next one, Goro's there and just so much.
Yeah, okay, you're trying to cater to the people
who have done all this stuff. Yeah. But I think
if it was more like you see these things, but
now you see them going, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
So I was just like, oh, we've got to have all
these things in there to make sure people tick,
tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. But they weren't.
Yeah, I agree with you 100%. Yeah, I was thoroughly
disappointed by that. Unfortunately. I wanted
to like it. Yeah. I loved the movie, but then
I read the book after I watched the movie. And
I loved the book. Yeah. Like I've re -listened
to that book no less than 25 times. Yeah. Easy.
Yeah. I think we might wrap it up there. Sounds
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