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This is a production of Channel 11 and Channel

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22. That's why today I'm taking one more step

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to protect Americans from the scourge of deadly

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fentanyl flooding into our country. With this

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historic executive order I will sign today, we're

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formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of

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mass destruction, which is what it is. No bomb

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does what this is doing. 200 ,000 to 300 ,000

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people die every year that we know of. So we're

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formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of

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mass destruction. Our vision of how to deal with

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drug use is different. Of course, we have to

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deal with crimes and that's why there is a prosecutor's

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office and that's why there are judges. But we

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also have to deal with the causes of drug use.

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If the causes are not addressed, whether it is

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fentanyl or another drug, drugs will continue

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to be used. Well, it was a case that was made

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public with President López Obrador, very questioned.

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for how the pension is obtained. But the part

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of the prosecutor's office, I would leave it

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to the prosecutor's office so that in any case

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they or the prosecutor himself or whoever corresponded

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would explain why the criminal complaint when

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the citation was presented, which I think they

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did. So that would be left to the prosecutor's

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office. Rather, you remember what this case was

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like, that it is worth remembering. But the criminal

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part, I would leave it to the prosecutor's office.

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Buenas noches. Bienvenidos y bienvenidos a Masiosare,

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la barra de análisis de los medios públicos.

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En este espacio, que es una coproducción de Canal

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11 y Canal 22, vamos a realizar, como siempre,

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un análisis sobre los temas de coyuntura. Yo

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soy Kurt Hackbarth, escritor y periodista, y

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le doy la bienvenida a mis compañeras y compañero,

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quienes nos acompañan el día de hoy. Nancy Flores,

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from Cuadro Niño, how are you? Good, Kurt. Good

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evening. Good evening to the audience. Good evening,

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comrades. Good evening. The dear Federico Anaya,

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again, joining us today. How are you? I'm good.

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Thank you very much, comrades. Excellent. Danny

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Barragan, from San embargo, how are you? Hello,

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Kurt. Very good. Thank you. Good evening to all.

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Nancy, Federico. Hoy vamos a hablar de dos temas.

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Primero, sobre la declaración de Fentanyl como

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una arma de destrucción masiva de Donald Trump

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por parte de Estados Unidos. Vamos a intentar

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desmenuzar esto. Y en la segunda parte del programa,

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la conversación alrededor de María Amparo. But

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let's start with that declaration of fentanyl

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as a weapon of mass destruction. On Monday, December

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5th, President Donald Trump signed this executive

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order. Attention, it is not law, it is executive

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order to declare fentanyl as... Now... ¿Cuál

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es el alcance de ese decreto? Un poco confuso.

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El hecho concede autoridad al Pentágono para

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evaluar acciones junto con la Fiscalía, los Departamentos

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del Tesoro y Seguridad Interior contra los cárteles,

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por ejemplo, de Sinaloa y Jalisco de Buena Nación.

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También implica que el secretario de ahora guerra,

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Pete Hegseth, y la fiscal general, Pam Bondi,

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decidirán si las amenazas que plantea el fentanilo

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justifican que se provean recursos del Departamento

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de Guerra. to justice. Interestingly, that seems

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to me of particular interest, the Secretary of

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State, Marco Rubio of the Treasury Scott Besant,

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quote, will undertake the appropriate actions

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against the assets and the relevant financial

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institutions. It would be interesting to see

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if they will finally touch the banks of the United

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States and not just attempt against those of

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other countries. Por su parte, la presidenta

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Claudia Sheinbaum declaró que catalogar al fentanilo

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como arma letal no va a resolver problemas de

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consumo, ya que deben atenderse las causas. Y

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pues queda también de manifiesto que es muy curioso

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el uso de arma de destrucción masiva. Los que

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conocemos la historia recordamos que usaron el

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mismo idéntico término para justificar la invasión

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a Iraq en 2003, diciendo que había tales armas

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en Iraq. Resultó que no hubo. Y todo este decreto

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y su alcance, un poco confuso, tiene lugar en

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el marco de la amenaza de Donald Trump contra

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no solamente Venezuela, sino toda la región,

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usando varios pretextos. fentanyl, oil, various

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other things that we are going to address in

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this program. So not only an isolated decree,

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but another piece in this attempt to create a

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legal machinery that justifies measures against

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the countries of Latin America. And we have to

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see it in this sense, as another gear in this

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threat. In this Nazi context, what can we say

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about the decree in particular? And the threat

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in general. I agree that it is a part of a much

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more ambitious gear of Donald Trump. And that

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the strategy is, let's say, that it is aimed

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at dividing and defeating. And why do I say that?

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Because it is not just this decree for... to

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name or assign this characteristic to the fentanyl

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of weapons of mass destruction. At the same time,

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it is also pressing Mexico with the issue of

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water, it is pressing Mexico with the issue of

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violence, it is pressing Venezuela with the issue

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that they stole oil, land, in short, there are

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many issues that are pressing, as you said Kurt,

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the whole region. And it seems to me that it

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has a ... in which each country has to attend

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to its own domestic and also the direct threats

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of Donald Trump. And then what happens with that?

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Well, it starts to divide. to the countries.

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So they are countries that in the end come to

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this weak discussion, that is, without strength,

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without strength. And why does he do it? Because

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that also allows him another type of interference,

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like what we saw in Chile and what we saw in

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Honduras at the same time. In Chile he does very

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well, he wins, Donald Trump, in fact with the

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arrival of Katz. and in Honduras it did not go

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so well because there was an opposition, especially

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from Xiomara Castro. So what I see is just this,

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a much more thought -out strategy in dividing

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and defeating, and also that it uses the end

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-of -year season, where most of the peoples,

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more than in resistance, are in celebration,

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in turning off the news. Para empezar la fiesta

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en México tenemos el Guadalupe Reyes. Y eso nos

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describe que estamos un poco lejos de la resistencia.

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Y eso es lo que yo creo que está pasando ahora.

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Y me parece que está utilizando también el tema

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de la doctrina del shock, que mete en shock a

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estos países. Y entonces no sabemos cómo reaccionar.

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Federico, como abogado, como experto en jurisprudencia,

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¿cómo interpretar un decreto así? ¿Es puro show

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o algo de sustancia? Let's see, the substance

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is the threat. It coincides completely with Nancy.

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It is part of a larger strategy. On the other

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hand, there is a strange thing. One of the correspondents

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of the Mexican corporate media, who normally

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reports to Televisa, wrote in El Economista an

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interesting report on this Trump decision. And

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he remembers and dedicates a good amount of paragraphs.

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that in 2018, at the beginning of the other administration,

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Trump achieved laws with democratic and republican

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support against fentanyl and how to deal with

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the opioid epidemic. And they are strong laws

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that, however, have not had money in this Trump

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administration. So there is an incongruence.

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Tiene hacia adentro, que es donde están muriendo

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las personas, siguiendo su propio argumento,

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leyes que no ha aplicado y que ya se le olvidaron.

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Parece que es otra cosa. Y hacia afuera, entonces

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queda más claro que es una excusa para atacar.

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Y aquí yo diría nuestro socio de conveniencia,

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que así es como se presentó Estados Unidos en

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su estrategia de seguridad nacional, threats,

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tries to convince Latin American countries to

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enlist, to be their allies. Now, the question

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is, which of the boxes are we going to fall into?

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And it is very interesting how the president

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answered, because the regional champions, that

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is, the allies of the United States, Milley,

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for example, or Novoa in Ecuador. to which the

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strategic plan even allows them to act outside

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their borders. I mean, imagine Bukele in Salvador

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putting order in Honduras. I mean, if we start

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putting names on it, it's scary. And there are

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extra -hemispheric power partners, I mean, the

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bad classics, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, but

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in the middle we have some weird ones that seem

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to be Brazil and Mexico, friends, previously

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established, but whose governments have different

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visions about the world. And this is what we

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just saw. On the one hand, they are threatening

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us. This is a weapon of mass destruction and

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therefore it is a pretext to attack you. And

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here what we answer is that this is a public

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health problem of a strategy that is within our

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societies and we do not agree. Now, how far does

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that go? I do not know. Daniel, in the previous

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program, you mentioned that Trump threatens a

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lot, but the threats that are not fulfilled end

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up being hollow threats. Trump has done a lot

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of this this year. Are we facing another hollow

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threat, or should we worry? He's constantly flirting

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with war. That's how he's been handling it in

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this almost first year of government, and what

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happened today is not fortuitous. Amanece la

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prensa con esta noticia de que Estados Unidos

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iba a atacar Venezuela abiertamente por un tema

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petrolero. No lo estaba disfrazando, dijo Trump,

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es por el petróleo. Y cosas que ya nos remiten

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a otros episodios de Estados Unidos. Eso es Estados

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Unidos. For resources, it always goes for something

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specific. And in this case, as I said, the press

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awakes today with that news that Trump openly

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said that he was going to attack Venezuela. And

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we have all that context of the entire military

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apparatus that has been approaching that country,

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that all the attacks on the boats that they call

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narco -boats, crewed by people that they call

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drug traffickers. And they are the United States,

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it's Washington. It's not fortuitous. que también

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se haya dado a conocer en todos los medios que

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hoy a las 9 de la noche, hora de Washington,

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se iba a dar un mensaje en cadena nacional. Y

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no es fortuito que muchas fuentes cercanas a

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la Casa Blanca, cercanas a la ultraderecha, dijeran

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que lo que iba a decir Donald Trump era el anuncio

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de la guerra. Estuvimos casi 24 horas con esta

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idea, esperando también una respuesta de Nicolás

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Maduro. Por otro lado... What we just heard from

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the president is that she is barely in the analysis

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of really knowing the limits. And what Federico

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just commented, well, he tells us that a very

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deep study is required to be able to put the

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alerts where they should be and the shields where

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they should be, including Mexico. Because what

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is being done with Venezuela, I do not stop insisting.

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It's a message for the whole region. It's not

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just a problem that Maduro has to deal with because

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of political issues, because of the issues of

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his presidency, everything that can be debated.

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It's a message that Trump sends to the whole

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region. Fortunately, although he is permanently

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flirting with the war. The advantage for all

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of us as a region is that no president, no president

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has responded to the level that he has done with

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various countries. The only one who sometimes

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goes a little beyond the line would be Gustavo

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Petro, who becomes very passionate sometimes

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in his tweets, but from there on out, no president

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of Latin America, including Mexico, has responded

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to Trump. with that same language of war, it

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seems to me that this is how it should continue,

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because we have Trump in that vaivén again of

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declarations. We must mention and emphasize that

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this term of weapons of mass destruction is,

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in addition, cynical, the use of the term. Cynical,

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cynical, cynical, cynical. A bit of history for

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the young people, as an ex -president said, a

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lot for the young people. In 2001, there were

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the attacks on the Twin Towers, after which the

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United States launched its war against Afghanistan,

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against the Taliban. It lasted 20 years, this

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invasion, and in the end, the United States left

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and the Taliban returned. In the middle of this

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attack on Afghanistan, there were no more whites

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to bombard. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld

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and then Vice President Jake Cheney decided,

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well, there are no whites anymore. There is no

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way to feed the industrial military complex.

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We have to expand the war to Iraq. But there

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was no real pretext to attack Iraq. In fact,

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Saddam Hussein, the then head of Iraq, had been

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an ally of the United States in the 1980s in

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his war against Iran. Focus groups. Con esos

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grupos de enfoque ensayaron varias diferentes

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ideas y pruebas y justificaciones. La prueba

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que mejor salió en las encuestas fue esa de armas

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de destrucción masiva como pretexto para arrancar

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una guerra. Es decir, amedrentó más, intimidó

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más, creó más miedo. Y ahí los medios de comunicación...

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Boom! Empezaron a entrar en acción. Vamos a ver

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algunas gráficas aquí de los medios de aquel

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entonces, 2003. Aquí son algunos de los medios,

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los tabloids famosos del Reino Unido, que el

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Reino Unido estaba a 45 minutos de un ataque,

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porque ahí Cipre está cerca. 45 minutos, los

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británicos, dentro del rango de los misiles de

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Saddam Hussein. He's got them. Let's get them.

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Los tiene. Hay que agarrarlo. Hay que atacarlo.

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También del lado de Estados Unidos, toda una

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serie de titulares en, por supuesto, New York

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Times, argumentando de que sí, había armas de

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elección masiva, sobre todo con este periodista

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Judith Miller, que posteriormente perdió su empleo

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por mentir. De las pocas veces en New York Times

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que ha habido cierta rendición de cuentas. Qué

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irónico, Nancy, qué cínico que están reciclando

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un término que fue obviamente falso en su momento

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20 años después. Yes, totally. And well, we have

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to understand that Donald Trump, as we said,

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is actually going for the resources. It is not

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something new. The United States has always behaved

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in this way and then it is being pressured by

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all means. First it was immigration, then it

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was the issue of the T -MEC, if we are an ally

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or not fair in international trade, if we have

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the capacity or not to receive a soccer world

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cup. In short, he is using everything he can

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to pressure Mexico, to pressure the region and

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in general to pressure the world. So you have

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to have, as the president says, a cold head when

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it comes to reviewing these amazings, threats

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from Donald Trump. The president did it most

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recently with the issue of water and he will

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continue to do so because we have a president

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with a lot of temper in that sense. Estamos hablando

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de la declaración de Donald Trump del fentanilo

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como arma de destrucción masiva. Hay mucho más

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que analizar al respecto. Entonces, después de

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una muy breve pausa, vamos a regresar con ustedes

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con más Mas Yosare. Ahorita regresamos. Thank

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you. Gracias por continuar con nosotros en la

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barra de análisis de los medios públicos. Seguimos

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hablando de la declaración de Fentanyl como arma

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de destrucción masiva por parte de Estados Unidos.

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Yo antes de la pausa hablé un poco de la historia

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muy cínica de ese término, pero tú también, Federico,

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tenés esta observación muy interesante, también

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lingüística. E histórica. Maciosare se llama

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Maciosare por el extraño enemigo del himno nacional

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mexicano. Ahora, este es el enemigo más extraño

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que hemos tenido en frente hace mucho tiempo.

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Estados Unidos, como dijo Nancy, siempre es peligroso.

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Pero este Estados Unidos trompeano es especialmente

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complicado. Y de pronto me cayó un 20, compañera.

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Pensemos, si estamos al borde de un ataque en

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Venezuela, el país más grande de América Latina,

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que claramente ha dicho que no está de acuerdo,

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igual que Brasil, esos son los dos grandes, es

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México. This is a kind of threat to freeze us,

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because the attacks that the weapon of mass destruction

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could justify are places in Mexico, that nobody

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knows where they are and that it is impossible

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to know where they are. So the strange enemy

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is saying, let me do what I want in Venezuela.

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It may sound a little paranoid, but in these

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cases, with this type of people, it is better.

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a little bit of paranoia, and then say, yes,

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I exaggerated, and how good that I had exaggerated.

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But I think we do have the attack, the potential

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for Venezuela, on the one hand, and this threat

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to Mexico so that it freezes and doesn't react.

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We'll have to see what they do with Brazil. Dani,

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in the face of these constant clashes of war,

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what role could Mexico have in the region? As

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it is, never trusting that neighbor, who not

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only is strange, is volatile and is in a severe

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crisis. I mean, when in the last few hours they

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were managing that Trump was going to announce

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an attack on Venezuela. Many voices there in

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the United States began to say, well, there are

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reasons, and the main one is not oil, because

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even the war costs a lot to the Americans, just

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with the matter of Gaza and all the funding that

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the United States gave to the genocide in Gaza,

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many people began to say, not in my name. And

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at the end of the day, the war is also paid by

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the Americans. They pay it not only with money,

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but with the lives of many young people who are

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going to have to be sent to war, who are sent,

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who have already been sent and who have had a

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terrible life. But there are other reasons in

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the background. I said this neighbor is strange,

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is volatile, is bipolar, is angry and is also

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in crisis because Trump's disapproval is already

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at 56%. And it is no less that it begins to promote

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the issue of Venezuela, because the issue has

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all the elements that serve mediatically to awaken

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emotions in people, and especially in the American

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population, which does have a lot of that desire

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to want... to fight with dictators, to save peoples,

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and also because of Venezuelan migration, which

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has grown a lot in recent years, not only to

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the United States, but also to Mexico, and this

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is the case in Chile. But, yes, but... No, no,

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go ahead, go ahead. But something is also happening.

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I mean, while the United States is resorting

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to its strategies, which we already know... There

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is something that seems a bit new to me, which

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is how the ultra -right is acting more and more

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coordinated. And I say it because of what happened

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with the elected president of Chile, that the

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result of the election was on Sunday and yesterday

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he was already saying, if Trump wants to attack

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Venezuela, Chile is with him. with the United

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States. And also what Juliana Sánchez denounced

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very early today, which is that the entire Nobel

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Committee is lending itself to give green light

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to the United States to commit crimes against

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Venezuela, to start a war in Venezuela. So it's

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not just the United States anymore, it's the

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United States with its allies from the region

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and from other places. And that does seem a bit

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new to me, which is how they are starting to

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act in a more coordinated way. Y afortunadamente

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nos estamos dando cuenta. O sea, el mensaje que

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deja Assange esta mañana me parece muy importante.

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Es interesante, Dani, que menciones esto de que

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Estados Unidos siempre quiere mostrar o hacer

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la narrativa como si estuvieran peleando contra

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las dictaduras. Y muchas voces de la derecha

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y los medios de Estados Unidos y también de acá

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quieren pintar esto de atacar a Venezuela como...

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Algo en contra de la dictadura y en pro de la

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democracia y tantas cosas. Luego Trump sale y

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dice, no, es por el petróleo. No. Lo dice claramente,

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¿no? La única ventaja de Trump es que dice las

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cosas, ¿no? También dijo que Estados Unidos ocupó

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a Siria por el petróleo. En todos estos falsos

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discursos. Y liberó al presidente de Honduras,

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que estaba condenado por narcotráfico. 45 años

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por 400 toneladas de cocaína, ¿no? Y es interesante

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también porque hay que tenerlo claro. Incluso

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Trump se considera el rey solo, lo que sea en

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su mente. Pero ni siquiera el presidente de Estados

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Unidos puede declarar guerra él solo. Este poder

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radica en el Congreso, según la Constitución

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de Estados Unidos. Tiene que ver con la declaración

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de guerra. The presidents do many things, but

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there is also the law of the powers of war. After

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the president starts something, the Congress

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has to approve this matter. But... Trump is trying

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to find a way to legally justify what he already

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decided to do, for example, in the bombing of

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the boats. He has no legal justification for

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that. None. Even Senator Chris Murphy said it.

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They left a meeting yesterday with Secretary

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Rubio, Secretary Hexeth, and he said there is

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no legal justification for what they are doing,

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not even close. And there is. Personas de los

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dos partidos que están diciendo eso, ¿no? Demócratas,

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pero también voces valientes del partido este

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republicano. Entonces, Trump, primero, hizo esa

00:25:56.690 --> 00:25:59.450
declaración de FTO, ¿no? Que los cárteles eran

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organizaciones terroristas extranjeras. Esto

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era una pieza. La siguiente pieza es esto de

00:26:04.069 --> 00:26:06.609
armas de destrucción masiva. Está tanteando,

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está buscando una autorización legal que no tiene.

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Y saben que no lo tiene en cuanto a Venezuela.

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But he's going to do it without legal justification

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and with a great, great part of the country,

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the United States, against Nancy. Yes, well,

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I would also like to point out that today President

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Claudia Sheinbaum, in her morning conference,

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made a very harsh criticism of the United Nations

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organization because it is not seen in all these

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conflicts. And secondly, I also find it very

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important that she says, look, the peoples have

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the right to choose the forms of their governments

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and also this is free self -determination. So,

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respect democracy and popular will is very important.

00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:58.579
is a very strong message and it seems to me very

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remarkable now to say that this is precisely

00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:06.799
this designation of fentanyl as a weapon of mass

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destruction gives it extraordinary powers to

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the United States itself, that is, its extraterritorial

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laws are approved and among other things they

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say that President Donald Trump says that the

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heads of departments and agencies will take the

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appropriate measures to implement this order

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and eliminate the threat of illicit fentanyl

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and its main chemical precursors throughout the

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entire chain of production. And here I also find

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it fundamental to point out the role of the media

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and non -governmental organizations, as we will

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see in the second block. que están financiadas

00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:55.220
por Estados Unidos a través de agencias y acompañan

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este... type of actions of military and interventionist

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character. In the case of the media, it must

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be remembered that the New York Times came even

00:28:06.009 --> 00:28:09.690
to make a montage of fentanyl kitchens saying

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that it can be done in any kitchen. And this

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is not anything. They are accompanying a whole

00:28:15.589 --> 00:28:17.990
narrative, a whole discourse that will allow,

00:28:18.269 --> 00:28:22.250
at the moment, to make interventions not only

00:28:22.250 --> 00:28:24.630
in Venezuela, but also in Mexico. Let's remember

00:28:24.630 --> 00:28:39.660
that Mexico is a petrified country. In addition,

00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.819
Nancy, to close this block, Trump said in his

00:28:42.819 --> 00:28:47.180
post the other day that Maduro is using oil from

00:28:47.180 --> 00:28:51.740
these stolen oil fields. That is, Venezuela stole

00:28:51.740 --> 00:28:54.900
its own oil. We are already... To the American

00:28:54.900 --> 00:28:57.640
investors, exactly. Or what does Trump want to

00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.980
do? He wants to ignore the nationalizations of

00:29:00.980 --> 00:29:04.200
Chávez in 2007, or even the nationalization of

00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:07.619
Venezuela's oil in the 70s, which was with a

00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:09.799
friendly government with the United States. It

00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:12.339
was a friendly government with the then government

00:29:12.339 --> 00:29:14.799
of Gerald Ford. And that means that any country

00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.160
in Latin America that has nationalized any resource

00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.779
stole something from the United States? Lithium,

00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:40.869
Mexico. And that doesn't go back to the... Básicamente,

00:29:41.150 --> 00:29:46.230
¿no? Bueno, con eso, Martín, vamos a la conversación

00:29:46.230 --> 00:29:50.170
alrededor de María Amparo Cázar en 2024, la Fiscalía

00:29:50.170 --> 00:29:53.559
General. of the republic opened a case of investigation

00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:57.660
against Maria Amparo Cázar for alleged illicit

00:29:57.660 --> 00:30:01.000
use of attributes and faculties derived from

00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:04.140
the payment of a vitality pension granted by

00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:07.500
Pemex after the death of her husband, this employee

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of the oil company, who died in 2004, and not

00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:14.599
any pension, a pension of about $4 ,000 a day.

00:30:15.230 --> 00:30:19.509
que cobra desde hace 20 años. ¿Qué está diciendo

00:30:19.509 --> 00:30:22.650
redes acerca de este caso? Interesante, Martín.

00:30:22.849 --> 00:30:25.150
Sí, a otra escala, pero también otro tema que

00:30:25.150 --> 00:30:27.990
está muy presente en las redes últimamente. Y,

00:30:28.109 --> 00:30:30.250
pues, sí, nos dimos a la tarea de echar un ojo.

00:30:31.329 --> 00:30:35.309
Recopilamos alrededor de 230 ,000 publicaciones

00:30:35.309 --> 00:30:39.849
entre el 11 y el 17 de diciembre. Las palabras

00:30:39.849 --> 00:30:42.230
clave son estas que han estado presentes en la

00:30:42.230 --> 00:30:46.039
conversación. In the temporal behavior, the peak

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of publications occurs on Saturday, December

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13, and the intensity of all this has already

00:30:51.099 --> 00:30:52.299
been lowered, but if something that draws attention

00:30:52.299 --> 00:30:55.720
is that there is practically pure retweet in

00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.970
the networks around this whole issue. Y alrededor

00:30:59.970 --> 00:31:03.069
de qué hashtags llama la atención que uno de

00:31:03.069 --> 00:31:05.390
los que están por acá arriba es todos somos María

00:31:05.390 --> 00:31:08.849
Amparo. Pues todos ellos han de recibir una pensión

00:31:08.849 --> 00:31:11.210
vitalicia de Pemex seguramente. Sí, justo también

00:31:11.210 --> 00:31:14.789
decir todos. ¿Quiénes son todos, compadres? Ajá,

00:31:14.789 --> 00:31:17.630
exacto. Entonces llama la atención, por decirlo

00:31:17.630 --> 00:31:20.049
de alguna manera, que está ese hashtag por allá

00:31:20.049 --> 00:31:23.150
arriba. Y también va a tener más sentido ahorita

00:31:23.150 --> 00:31:27.319
que veamos las cuentas principales. redoubles,

00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:32.259
la derecha diario. Ay, qué novedad. Tenemos a

00:31:32.259 --> 00:31:36.579
la derecha diario, a Belau Sarán, a San Martín,

00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:39.480
Fernanda Familiar también ha estado ahí muy activa

00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:43.460
últimamente, y pues en las cuentas alrededor

00:31:43.460 --> 00:31:45.960
de estos hashtags que han estado muy presentes.

00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.460
Y ya entrando en los temas y narrativas, pues

00:31:48.460 --> 00:31:50.740
vemos que se menciona justo que la carpeta de

00:31:50.740 --> 00:31:55.329
investigación fue judicializada, que... The declarations

00:31:55.329 --> 00:31:57.509
of the new Attorney General Ernestina Godoy are

00:31:57.509 --> 00:31:59.710
also mentioned, who says that she is not acting

00:31:59.710 --> 00:32:04.569
under consignee. We also see that just this whole

00:32:04.569 --> 00:32:07.769
issue is around, as Cort mentioned, the vitality

00:32:07.769 --> 00:32:11.089
pension of Pemex. And around these issues, what

00:32:11.089 --> 00:32:13.250
are the narratives that are being positioned

00:32:13.250 --> 00:32:16.210
or wanting to position themselves from the opposition,

00:32:16.410 --> 00:32:18.849
mainly? Well, from the opposition, it is the

00:32:18.849 --> 00:32:21.150
regime that seeks to reopen the passage. They

00:32:21.150 --> 00:32:24.930
are looking for political persecution, as we

00:32:24.930 --> 00:32:28.549
see in the following narrative. They are with

00:32:28.549 --> 00:32:30.710
this whole issue that all this is a persecution,

00:32:31.089 --> 00:32:34.670
it is not that they are really trying to seek

00:32:34.670 --> 00:32:39.950
justice, and that all this is also a punishment,

00:32:40.150 --> 00:32:42.869
not only is it a persecution, but a punishment

00:32:42.869 --> 00:32:46.750
and a personal punishment for the uncomfortable

00:32:46.750 --> 00:32:50.009
people of the government. That is how they are

00:32:50.009 --> 00:32:52.799
marking it. What else do we see? It is also mentioned

00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.299
from the opposition that it compares with other

00:32:55.299 --> 00:32:57.359
cases saying that the prosecution should rather

00:32:57.359 --> 00:32:59.900
be paying attention to other types of things

00:32:59.900 --> 00:33:05.059
and characters that are listed there. And we

00:33:05.059 --> 00:33:08.819
also see these solidarity samples, these calls,

00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:12.619
this convocation that the subcontractors do,

00:33:12.619 --> 00:33:15.539
which we commented on before entering here. And

00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:20.799
well, how have these solidarity samples gone

00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.259
to these subcontractors? They have also been

00:33:23.259 --> 00:33:26.519
called pseudo -journalists, vendepatrias, they

00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:28.619
have not gone very well on the networks. And

00:33:28.619 --> 00:33:32.420
not only to them, but also to María Amparo Cázar

00:33:32.420 --> 00:33:38.059
herself. who is also called corrupt, shameless,

00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:44.220
and accused of giving false testimonies. Basically,

00:33:44.259 --> 00:33:46.900
these are the narratives, and finally we see

00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:49.440
the response and the position of the president,

00:33:49.700 --> 00:33:53.200
who mentions that the prosecution will do what

00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.339
it has to do. Well, that seems to me a classic

00:33:55.339 --> 00:33:58.039
example of trying to defend the undefended, that

00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.900
is, of the top five. And if they did not manage

00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:03.779
to gather not even many undersigned, is there

00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:07.359
really a lot of organic support here or are they

00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:11.099
just the same accounts? The same accounts and

00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:12.719
something interesting that we saw is that just

00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:16.019
this part of the... de la carta de los abajofirmantes

00:34:16.019 --> 00:34:20.760
fue lo más amplificado desde cuentas tipo matrícula,

00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:22.579
¿no? Es que es este nombre y numeritos. O sea,

00:34:22.659 --> 00:34:25.719
veíamos una buena serie de retuits de ese tipo

00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.059
de cuentas, de esa cosa en particular, ¿no? Como

00:34:28.059 --> 00:34:32.500
tratando de amplificar y posicionar esta ilusión

00:34:32.500 --> 00:34:36.619
de apoyo. La ilusión de apoyo. Muy bonita palabra.

00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:42.719
Sí, totalmente. Lo que me sorprende es, por un

00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:47.449
lado, We have corrupt, shameless. And on the

00:34:47.449 --> 00:34:53.730
other hand, stupidity. The debate, on the one

00:34:53.730 --> 00:34:56.289
hand, is saying you don't have ethics. And on

00:34:56.289 --> 00:34:58.530
the other hand, what they're saying, you're ignorant,

00:34:58.730 --> 00:35:01.550
you're stupid, you don't understand. Yes, you

00:35:01.550 --> 00:35:03.510
don't understand that there are people who deserve

00:35:03.510 --> 00:35:08.090
those vital pensions. Abundance, but exponentially.

00:35:08.789 --> 00:35:11.210
And words for the people. Just this illusion

00:35:11.210 --> 00:35:38.840
of we are all. Todos somos. Todos somos. Todos

00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:40.610
somos. That's it. Those are the signatures. Exactly.

00:35:40.690 --> 00:35:45.119
At the end, right? Yes, literally. Totally. Well,

00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.079
we'll keep an eye on it. Well, thank you very

00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:49.699
much, Martin. Happy holidays and see you here

00:35:49.699 --> 00:35:55.019
in 2026. See you. In three weeks. In three weeks,

00:35:55.380 --> 00:35:58.699
yes. But it seems more dramatic to say in 2026.

00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:02.079
In the next year. Yes. Well, Nati, let's go with

00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:05.159
you. You have done a lot of journalism of great

00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.679
importance just around that topic. You are the

00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.699
most suitable person to make everyone understand

00:36:10.699 --> 00:36:14.389
it. What is it about? Well, it's a case that

00:36:14.389 --> 00:36:16.710
draws attention because it happens right in a

00:36:16.710 --> 00:36:20.110
situation where María Amparo Cázar was the coordinator

00:36:20.110 --> 00:36:22.949
of advisers of the Secretariat of Governance

00:36:22.949 --> 00:36:27.769
when Santiago Krill was in the front and Vicente

00:36:27.769 --> 00:36:30.510
Fox was in the presidency. The Secretariat of

00:36:30.510 --> 00:36:32.230
Governance, to understand it in the governmental

00:36:32.230 --> 00:36:35.949
structure, is the second most important instance

00:36:35.949 --> 00:36:37.349
of this country. If something happens to the

00:36:37.349 --> 00:36:40.570
president or the president, whoever enters is

00:36:40.570 --> 00:36:42.949
the one who occupies those positions. is to say

00:36:42.949 --> 00:36:47.250
it is a position of great influence and the issue

00:36:47.250 --> 00:36:51.050
is that his husband enters to work in mexican

00:36:51.050 --> 00:36:57.090
oil invited by his friend who was then the general

00:36:57.090 --> 00:37:01.130
director of administration of mexican oil works

00:37:01.130 --> 00:37:05.309
only four months he commits suicide because that

00:37:05.309 --> 00:37:09.150
is what he did he takes his life within the facilities

00:37:09.150 --> 00:37:12.769
and they make it all happen as if it were a labor

00:37:12.769 --> 00:37:16.269
accident to assign him a vitality pension that

00:37:16.269 --> 00:37:19.789
ends up paying 1 .8 million pesos, among other

00:37:19.789 --> 00:37:23.090
things, in scholarships of the two children of

00:37:23.090 --> 00:37:26.070
María Amparo Casar in the ITAM. I mean, why does

00:37:26.070 --> 00:37:29.150
the people of Mexico have to pay the scholarships

00:37:29.150 --> 00:37:33.210
to the children of one person? que no hizo nada

00:37:33.210 --> 00:37:36.289
más que dañar a este país y que está en consonancia

00:37:36.289 --> 00:37:38.389
con Estados Unidos. Lo vamos a ver en mi siguiente

00:37:38.389 --> 00:37:41.070
intervención de cómo Estados Unidos le pagaba

00:37:41.070 --> 00:37:43.389
a mexicanos contra la corrupción. Mucho más que

00:37:43.389 --> 00:37:45.289
decir al respecto. Vamos a ir a una muy breve

00:37:45.289 --> 00:37:47.630
pausa. Estamos hablando de la conversación alrededor

00:37:47.630 --> 00:37:50.670
del asunto de la pensión de María Amparo Cáceres

00:37:50.670 --> 00:37:56.909
y la idea de cómo dirigirnos a este tipo de eventos

00:37:56.909 --> 00:38:09.050
fraudulentos. Ahorita vemos. Masiosare. Sigue

00:38:09.050 --> 00:38:15.690
el contenido de Canal 11 y Canal 22. Masiosare.

00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.179
Gracias por continuar con nosotros en la barra

00:38:25.179 --> 00:38:27.460
de análisis de los medios públicos. Seguimos

00:38:27.460 --> 00:38:29.699
hablando del asunto de María Amparo Cáceres y

00:38:29.699 --> 00:38:31.940
yo no quiero decir ni una palabra más porque

00:38:31.940 --> 00:38:34.420
Nancy tiene todos los datos. Lo dejamos a la

00:38:34.420 --> 00:38:36.179
mitad de su explicación. Nos vamos a regresar

00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:39.059
directamente contigo. Sí, vamos a recordar que

00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:42.980
María Amparo Casar actualmente es la presidenta

00:38:42.980 --> 00:38:45.239
de una organización que se llama Mexicanos contra

00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:47.880
la Corrupción e Impunidad. Es una organización

00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:50.500
financiada, entre otros, por el gobierno de Estados

00:38:50.500 --> 00:38:52.840
Unidos. Vamos a pedirle a la producción que nos

00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.719
ponga algunas de las facturas pagadas directamente

00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.219
por la embajada de Estados Unidos a Mexicanos

00:38:59.219 --> 00:39:02.559
contra la Corrupción e Impunidad. Cuando entendemos

00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:06.000
a qué intereses responde este tipo de organizaciones,

00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.150
pues nos damos cuenta. that they are far from

00:39:08.150 --> 00:39:13.050
being a critical apparatus in the face of a power,

00:39:13.289 --> 00:39:16.489
in the face of an unmeasured and authoritarian

00:39:16.489 --> 00:39:19.530
power and everything they say about both President

00:39:19.530 --> 00:39:22.449
López Obrador and President Simón. Secondly,

00:39:23.010 --> 00:39:26.429
that this type of apparatus, which in reality

00:39:26.429 --> 00:39:29.690
are groups of pressure towards governments, also

00:39:29.690 --> 00:39:34.190
subject to economic power, mexicanos contra la

00:39:34.190 --> 00:39:36.329
corrupción impunidad fue fundado por claudio

00:39:36.329 --> 00:39:38.849
x gonzález guajardo un empresario que se hace

00:39:38.849 --> 00:39:43.150
pasar por sociedad civil organizada que dice

00:39:43.150 --> 00:39:46.269
que él es activista cuando en realidad es accionista

00:39:46.269 --> 00:39:49.210
de una de las transnacionales más importantes

00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:53.369
del papel a nivel por lo menos regional que es

00:39:53.369 --> 00:39:56.090
kimberly clark pues nos daremos cuenta que en

00:39:56.090 --> 00:40:01.110
realidad estos personajes no hacen una crítica

00:40:02.740 --> 00:40:06.679
to the institutions, but rather it is a accumulation

00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:10.139
of interests. Returning to the issue of her husband,

00:40:10.380 --> 00:40:13.440
it is a tragic issue because this person decides

00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:17.760
to take his life in conditions in which it is

00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:21.909
portrayed in the file. And once their lives are

00:40:21.909 --> 00:40:24.429
taken away, they do a whole series of tricks,

00:40:24.929 --> 00:40:30.630
among them that very soon this vitality pension

00:40:30.630 --> 00:40:32.869
is assigned to María Amparo Cázar. I am struck

00:40:32.869 --> 00:40:37.690
by the file that, among other things, first it

00:40:37.690 --> 00:40:40.230
is documented that their children are direct

00:40:40.230 --> 00:40:45.110
beneficiaries of scholarships in one of the most

00:40:45.110 --> 00:40:48.210
expensive institutions of private education,

00:40:48.210 --> 00:40:51.320
such as ITAM. Why does it catch my attention?

00:40:51.460 --> 00:40:56.019
Well, first, because this is not even a service

00:40:56.019 --> 00:41:01.039
within public institutions. Second, it catches

00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:03.940
my attention that this character only worked

00:41:03.940 --> 00:41:08.019
for four months, that he was invited by Amiguismo,

00:41:08.139 --> 00:41:11.639
which is also part of the crimes of corruption.

00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:18.210
This is also documented in this file. In the

00:41:18.210 --> 00:41:22.269
end, everything that comes in, everything is

00:41:22.269 --> 00:41:27.849
part of the criteria or presumed crimes of corruption.

00:41:28.150 --> 00:41:30.889
It doesn't just come in because his friend, who

00:41:30.889 --> 00:41:35.769
was also his boss, the director... of administration

00:41:35.769 --> 00:41:38.309
of Pemex or general coordinator of administration

00:41:38.309 --> 00:41:42.469
of Pemex, but also immediately, not even a month

00:41:42.469 --> 00:41:43.769
had passed and they had already assigned him

00:41:43.769 --> 00:41:47.449
two credits for more than 600 ,000 pesos, one

00:41:47.449 --> 00:41:53.179
nominal and another for a car. That is in the

00:41:53.179 --> 00:41:57.880
file. Then, Fastrack gives you this resource,

00:41:58.139 --> 00:42:02.219
not only of the vitality pension, but also of

00:42:02.219 --> 00:42:06.739
the tuition fees, they also pay you for the funeral,

00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:11.019
etc. which is a series of tricks. And to me,

00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:14.260
just to close this idea, to say that today that

00:42:14.260 --> 00:42:18.980
I read this tweet or this message in X of her

00:42:18.980 --> 00:42:21.440
saying that thanks to all those who support her

00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.679
because they are attacking her because she only

00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:26.920
exercises her freedom of expression, well, go

00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:30.000
cynicism. I mean, here we are talking about a

00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.159
presumably illegal assignment of a vitality pension

00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:39.030
that... has more than 31 million pesos that could

00:42:39.030 --> 00:42:42.869
result in a fraud to public finances. I don't

00:42:42.869 --> 00:42:45.090
know what is more cynical, weapons of mass destruction

00:42:45.090 --> 00:42:48.409
of Trump or freedom of expression of Maria Amparo.

00:42:49.789 --> 00:42:55.530
Federico, who wins? O sea, pero es para la educación

00:42:55.530 --> 00:42:57.989
lo que les pagó Pemex a los hijos de Marín Poro

00:42:57.989 --> 00:43:00.309
Casar es la licenciatura y también posgrados,

00:43:00.329 --> 00:43:03.190
¿verdad? Maestría. Licenciatura y maestría. En

00:43:03.190 --> 00:43:06.469
el ITAM, ambas cosas. Y hay una aclaración interesante.

00:43:06.969 --> 00:43:09.650
Porque tú dices correctamente, eso no suena que

00:43:09.650 --> 00:43:12.190
sea una prestación, ¿verdad? Bueno, ahí es donde

00:43:12.190 --> 00:43:15.929
viene la inequidad y la falta de ética más grande

00:43:15.929 --> 00:43:19.329
todavía. Todo lo que dijiste es claro que es

00:43:19.329 --> 00:43:22.150
un acto de corrupción y de amiguismo. Está mal.

00:43:22.389 --> 00:43:25.750
Pero lo peor, is that in the periodist regime

00:43:25.750 --> 00:43:29.449
of the 20th century, things called complementary

00:43:29.449 --> 00:43:32.869
pensions were created, which are actually strange

00:43:32.869 --> 00:43:36.449
social security regimes, which have things that

00:43:36.449 --> 00:43:38.849
are not on the other side, and they lack others.

00:43:38.909 --> 00:43:40.409
For example, they do not have a hospital regime,

00:43:40.409 --> 00:43:43.530
nor health, because they have other types of

00:43:43.530 --> 00:43:47.030
benefits, the higher medical expenses, for example.

00:43:47.369 --> 00:43:52.130
But that, paying the children, a college in a

00:43:52.130 --> 00:43:54.980
private university, No nos suena que es una prestación,

00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:58.280
¿verdad? Porque no es. Y el problema es que no

00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:01.760
es nada más Pemex. Con estos regímenes de pensiones

00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.619
especiales, tenemos a José Ángel Gurría con una

00:44:04.619 --> 00:44:07.960
pensión igualmente muy rica y al presidente Zedillo

00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:10.059
con una pensión del Banco de México. Yo siempre

00:44:10.059 --> 00:44:12.460
pensé que ese presidente no había cobrado la

00:44:12.460 --> 00:44:14.719
presidencial por buena onda. No, lo que pasa

00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:16.119
es que ya estaba cobrando la del Banco de México.

00:44:17.260 --> 00:44:19.699
Exacto. Entonces, ahí tenemos un problema más

00:44:19.699 --> 00:44:22.739
grandote y por eso yo creo que When we saw the

00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:25.800
data, people began to realize that the word thief

00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:31.239
and corruption matter. And there, then, those

00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.400
who answer them and say that they are ignorant

00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:36.960
or that they do not understand, well, yes, we

00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:40.019
do not understand because no one has explained

00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:43.300
to us these regimes of privilege, which are bureaucracies.

00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:47.800
And also Pemex told us since last year that apart

00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:52.199
from her, there are several other dozens, of

00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.340
pensions of that kind. That's the most scandalous,

00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:59.460
for everything you said, how miraculous it was

00:44:59.460 --> 00:45:02.380
that they saw it right away. But the problem

00:45:02.380 --> 00:45:06.179
is bigger. And that's what hurts the upper class.

00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:11.239
That we finally caught them. Sorry, is it not

00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:14.099
political persecution? Are we all Casas? No,

00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:21.579
not at all. I think that... Well, the 0 .00001

00:45:21.579 --> 00:45:26.059
% will be like Casas, but well, I'm a millennial,

00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:28.920
so I don't have a pension. Thanks to all the

00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.260
neoliberal politics. To the 1997 petition. Exactly.

00:45:31.699 --> 00:45:34.480
What am I going to talk about? We're all Casas

00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:36.639
and I'm not going to have a pension. I have to

00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:37.619
save in another way. Are you going to pay $4

00:45:37.619 --> 00:45:40.699
,000 a day? No, I don't think that happens. Very

00:45:40.699 --> 00:45:45.480
unlikely. But, I mean, I think... Este episodio,

00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:48.599
ya que se da a finales de este año, termina por

00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:52.880
encajar muy bien en un año muy malo para la oposición,

00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:56.059
que ya suma, de hecho, una racha bastante malita

00:45:56.059 --> 00:46:00.260
de bastantes años. Pero, o sea, lo que estamos

00:46:00.260 --> 00:46:02.659
viendo es que se enarbola en una bandera de una

00:46:02.659 --> 00:46:07.300
mujer hiperprivilegiada. Otra vez, su otra bandera

00:46:07.300 --> 00:46:10.800
de hace unos días fue el gran fiasco de la Generación

00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:15.030
Z. that they did a march, so multitudinary, on

00:46:15.030 --> 00:46:18.570
November 15th, for November 20th there were 300

00:46:18.570 --> 00:46:21.590
people, for December 14th there were 200 people,

00:46:21.670 --> 00:46:24.090
the great fiasco. And right now what we have

00:46:24.090 --> 00:46:27.750
is that they are shielded under a cause of a

00:46:27.750 --> 00:46:30.969
woman who has a pension that she does not deserve,

00:46:31.230 --> 00:46:33.949
I insist and I agree with Nancy, it is a very

00:46:33.949 --> 00:46:37.190
tragic case, a very delicate case even, because

00:46:37.190 --> 00:46:38.869
we are talking about someone who unfortunately

00:46:38.869 --> 00:46:43.119
took his life. Pero por el tiempo que he ido

00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:45.219
trabajando en Pemex, ni siquiera le tenían que

00:46:45.219 --> 00:46:47.840
dar esa pensión, que es uno de los datos que

00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:52.570
más resuenan en este caso. Entonces... Creo que

00:46:52.570 --> 00:46:55.710
es una muy buena manera para cerrar el año en

00:46:55.710 --> 00:46:59.050
la oposición porque vemos que siguen siendo ellos

00:46:59.050 --> 00:47:02.010
los defensores solamente de los suyos. Siguen

00:47:02.010 --> 00:47:05.090
siendo solamente ese grupo que vela por sus propios

00:47:05.090 --> 00:47:08.969
intereses, que son del 0 .0001 % de la población.

00:47:09.190 --> 00:47:12.510
Y es un mal pronóstico para lo que viene el siguiente

00:47:12.510 --> 00:47:17.650
año. Yo hablé hace uno o dos programas de esta

00:47:17.650 --> 00:47:20.989
tensión que siempre hay en todo movimiento. to

00:47:20.989 --> 00:47:23.409
look at the past, which is what it means to do

00:47:23.409 --> 00:47:26.650
justice for the cases of the past, and to look

00:47:26.650 --> 00:47:30.130
to the future, to do the project to benefit the

00:47:30.130 --> 00:47:33.630
people. One understands that you always have

00:47:33.630 --> 00:47:38.010
to be on this line. But this case of Maria Amparo

00:47:38.010 --> 00:47:40.809
Cáceres seems to me to be one of the most emblematic

00:47:40.809 --> 00:47:44.030
cases of the need to do justice for those things

00:47:44.030 --> 00:47:46.440
of the past. That is to say, and not to let go.

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And there is an interesting detail. She continues

00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.039
to present herself as the victim in the shelter

00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.639
that started last year and is still alive right

00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:58.539
now. She swore, sorry, she protested that she

00:47:58.539 --> 00:48:01.940
said the truth by saying that she depends on

00:48:01.940 --> 00:48:05.119
her survival of the pension, which is absolutely

00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.119
false for the salary she is receiving in the

00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:10.280
civil association in which she works. So she

00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:13.099
lies to a district judge. The litigation has

00:48:13.099 --> 00:48:17.260
not yet ended. Entonces... It's impunity. Yes,

00:48:17.260 --> 00:48:18.960
I think that the most obscene thing about that,

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in addition to the illicit use of attributes

00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:26.460
and faculties, this presumed attempt to falsify

00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:29.659
an issue as delicate as suicide to get a pension.

00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:34.639
The term of the crime at the time it occurred

00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:38.519
is indebted. There it is. It's good to have a

00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:42.860
licensed lawyer on the table. That's the popular

00:48:42.860 --> 00:48:47.280
clamor. Que bueno que el proyecto avance y todo

00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.280
eso, pero vean a lo de los expresidentes, vean

00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.559
a casos así, algo tiene que hacerse. Y lo más

00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:55.179
obsceno es luego ese tentativo de retirarse como

00:48:55.179 --> 00:48:58.119
víctima. Porque no solamente son los contribuyentes

00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:01.820
de México que están pagando a través de esa pensión,

00:49:01.860 --> 00:49:04.400
sino los contribuyentes de Estados Unidos a través

00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.820
de USAID, que financia a mexicanos contra la

00:49:07.820 --> 00:49:10.360
corrupción y la impunidad. En algunos años, USAID

00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:14.059
fue el donador número uno. de mexicanos contra

00:49:14.059 --> 00:49:16.039
la corrupción. Es decir, el donador más grande

00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:18.320
en ciertos de estos años. Es increíble, ¿no?

00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:19.900
O sea, roban en los dos lados de la frontera.

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Exacto. Muy bien, ¿eh? Muy bien, muy buen negocio.

00:49:23.980 --> 00:49:25.599
Se están de los dos lados, pero los contribuyentes

00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.659
de México y de Estados Unidos. Ahora bien, el

00:49:28.659 --> 00:49:30.619
asunto es qué va a pasar con este expediente.

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Y tal vez, pues, ustedes sabrán mejor que yo

00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.659
que iba a haber, pues, una primera audiencia.

00:49:35.659 --> 00:49:39.539
La jueza lo pospuso y lo mandó al juez del reclusorio

00:49:39.539 --> 00:49:41.860
norte. Pero mientras tanto, el expediente...

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They returned to the FGR and they are reviewing

00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:46.920
the case again. There you have to be careful

00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:50.000
because there was a confusion in how the matter

00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.440
was getting known. It seemed that it had just

00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:54.900
been judicialized. And in reality, no. Since

00:49:54.900 --> 00:49:57.280
this is a crime where there is no detainee, the

00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.599
judicialization occurred in September. That is,

00:50:00.739 --> 00:50:04.980
still with Hertz. And there, the truth is that

00:50:04.980 --> 00:50:07.570
I do have my distrust. that they have also argued

00:50:07.570 --> 00:50:10.329
the case. And for that reason, the Attorney General

00:50:10.329 --> 00:50:12.250
of the Republic made the clarification a few

00:50:12.250 --> 00:50:14.469
days ago that they are reviewing the case again.

00:50:14.550 --> 00:50:17.829
Now, there must have been something wrong, because

00:50:17.829 --> 00:50:21.150
months ago, the Attorney General of the Republic

00:50:21.150 --> 00:50:23.489
of Hertz had asked for authorization from a control

00:50:23.489 --> 00:50:28.730
judge to do some investigations that needed authorization.

00:50:29.230 --> 00:50:31.489
Maybe something about telephones or reviewing

00:50:31.489 --> 00:50:35.110
bank accounts. That's the kind of thing. And

00:50:35.110 --> 00:50:37.389
he authorized them. And then the new judge, the

00:50:37.389 --> 00:50:39.869
one who had dictated the hearing and then said

00:50:39.869 --> 00:50:43.269
no, is because he realizes that that had happened.

00:50:43.530 --> 00:50:46.650
And besides, the judge was angry, because he

00:50:46.650 --> 00:50:49.110
said, you should know that this was already with

00:50:49.110 --> 00:50:52.050
another judge. And that judge who already knew

00:50:52.050 --> 00:50:54.469
the matter for that authorization is the one

00:50:54.469 --> 00:50:57.010
who touches him. Now, that was known by the General

00:50:57.010 --> 00:50:58.349
Prosecutor's Office of the Republic in September.

00:50:59.050 --> 00:51:00.969
And in any case, they were wrong as a judge.

00:51:01.900 --> 00:51:04.119
And in that sense, it calms me down that the

00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:07.199
new prosecutor is saying, let's review. Because

00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:09.400
it's important. It's an injustice that calls

00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:12.360
to the sky. And you see it, Federico, as more

00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.619
than anything, an attempt to clean up the file,

00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:17.579
and not as a response to political pressure from

00:51:17.579 --> 00:51:22.639
the subcontractors or whatever. With the citizen

00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.340
Herzl, you can't know what he wanted. That's

00:51:25.340 --> 00:51:27.780
the worst of it all. Because I say right now,

00:51:27.780 --> 00:51:30.139
right now, in this moment, no, I don't think

00:51:30.139 --> 00:51:32.619
there's any, of course, no persecution. You don't

00:51:32.619 --> 00:51:34.860
have to answer the signatures below. It seems

00:51:34.860 --> 00:51:38.179
ridiculous to me. There is a case and if it is

00:51:38.179 --> 00:51:41.099
a case, Nancy just told us. And that case deserves

00:51:41.099 --> 00:51:45.559
to be argued in a trial. And I do want to hear

00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:48.119
the citizen to marry. Yes, of course. Explain

00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:51.280
to me as a Mexican citizen why she thinks it

00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:56.199
is fair to receive that. That's the right to

00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:59.039
the truth. But the clarification was important.

00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:03.239
The publication takes the day without the date.

00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:06.880
They only judicialize Carpeta against María Amparo

00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:10.219
Cázar. And the next day, the prosecutor's office

00:52:10.219 --> 00:52:13.719
fortunately said yes. But this has happened since

00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:17.480
September. Because what we had in the press is

00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:20.159
that Ernestina is already going for the opposition.

00:52:20.659 --> 00:52:24.059
Godoy came to pursue people. And no, I mean,

00:52:24.500 --> 00:52:26.659
it's also not just a matter of declaring, but

00:52:26.659 --> 00:52:30.480
also of slandering what Gertz Manero has done.

00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:33.880
To say, for these things we go, for these objectives

00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:38.219
we go very, very straight. But these with calm.

00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:41.340
I just wanted to add two topics for what you

00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:44.400
mentioned about how she promotes a support to

00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:46.880
continue with this pension and also give it to

00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:51.010
her. She was paid in 2024, Mexicans against corruption

00:52:51.010 --> 00:52:55.369
and impunity, 5 .7 million pesos. 2024, only.

00:52:55.889 --> 00:52:59.530
I mean, to say that she lacked this pension to

00:52:59.530 --> 00:53:03.050
survive, well, I mean, it's really a headache

00:53:03.050 --> 00:53:05.369
for Mexicans. It's like Fox needed her pension

00:53:05.369 --> 00:53:08.050
to survive. What does Fox do without her pension?

00:53:08.389 --> 00:53:11.929
Lying to a federal judge. It is a crime. And

00:53:11.929 --> 00:53:14.789
the other thing is that Octavio Aguilar Valenzuela,

00:53:14.869 --> 00:53:17.769
who is the one who invites his husband to work,

00:53:18.150 --> 00:53:21.090
friend of his husband, was the brother of the

00:53:21.090 --> 00:53:23.070
presidential spokesman at that time. I mean,

00:53:23.130 --> 00:53:26.349
just to have the complete movie of what positions

00:53:26.349 --> 00:53:30.710
were at stake in this particular case and why

00:53:30.710 --> 00:53:33.090
it could also imply trafficking of influences.

00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:36.840
Y el asunto ahí es que hay que tener mucho cuidado,

00:53:37.019 --> 00:53:39.119
y lo hemos dicho varias veces en este programa

00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:43.480
y en otros foros, el asunto de USAID. Como USAID

00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:46.619
y su gemelo ahí, la Fundación Nacional para la

00:53:46.619 --> 00:53:49.699
Democracia, NED, usa dinero que supuestamente

00:53:49.699 --> 00:53:53.079
es para fines de desarrollo, de promoción de

00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:55.119
democracia, justo como Estados Unidos va a promover

00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:59.050
democracia ahorita en otros países. But they

00:53:59.050 --> 00:54:01.050
disguise it like this. They disguise it like

00:54:01.050 --> 00:54:04.690
this, as an attempt to take development programs

00:54:04.690 --> 00:54:07.530
and human rights and democracy to other countries

00:54:07.530 --> 00:54:10.849
and see who ends up spending that money. Personajes

00:54:10.849 --> 00:54:13.510
como Mariano Castro. Ahora lo que es interesante

00:54:13.510 --> 00:54:17.389
es que Trump eliminó USAID, pero ahora USAID

00:54:17.389 --> 00:54:20.949
existe básicamente como la caja chica del secretario

00:54:20.949 --> 00:54:26.309
de Estado, Marco Rubio, dentro ahí de su secretaría.

00:54:26.590 --> 00:54:29.530
No es nada mejor, es más discrecionaria, pero

00:54:29.530 --> 00:54:32.050
los fines son los mismos. Pero no ahora con el

00:54:32.050 --> 00:54:34.269
disfraz de democracia, derechos humanos y todo

00:54:34.269 --> 00:54:36.329
eso. Porque como bien dijimos en el primer bloque,

00:54:36.530 --> 00:54:39.489
lo que tienen los trumpistas es, dicen las cosas

00:54:39.489 --> 00:54:42.590
como son. It's oil. It's not democracy. It's

00:54:42.590 --> 00:54:44.190
not human rights. It's not that. It's not us.

00:54:44.809 --> 00:54:48.730
It's resources. And this is what links the first

00:54:48.730 --> 00:54:51.010
block with the second. Well, we have two minutes

00:54:51.010 --> 00:54:54.309
left. Conclusions. How are we going to get through

00:54:54.309 --> 00:54:57.849
all of this? Yes, I mean, about this Mariamparo

00:54:57.849 --> 00:55:00.210
-Casar, to say with the figure that Nancy just

00:55:00.210 --> 00:55:05.610
gave. That for 2024, that he had had those income,

00:55:05.969 --> 00:55:08.610
he tells us that López Obrador did not crush

00:55:08.610 --> 00:55:11.530
the criticism as he presumed, right? Like, oh,

00:55:11.630 --> 00:55:15.289
he's ending with the jobs, with the media. Well,

00:55:15.510 --> 00:55:19.409
to have an income of that amount, I mean, he

00:55:19.409 --> 00:55:22.480
kept going very well. to Mexicans against corruption

00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.420
and impunity. Now imagine that the children of

00:55:25.420 --> 00:55:27.139
López Obrador were the ones who would have received

00:55:27.139 --> 00:55:30.539
these scholarships for the ITAM of 1 .8 million

00:55:30.539 --> 00:55:33.099
pesos, because of course, those who harassed,

00:55:33.099 --> 00:55:35.960
to the exhaustion, the children of López Obrador.

00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:38.119
fueron los de Mexicanos contra la corrupción

00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:41.340
e impunidad, y nada dicen de estas becas. Y uno

00:55:41.340 --> 00:55:45.599
de otro seguro que también estaba contemplando

00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:49.500
la cobertura de salud para los hijos de los funcionarios

00:55:49.500 --> 00:55:52.159
hasta los 25 años de edad, era uno que contrató

00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.039
Lorenzo Córdoba cuando estaba en el Instituto

00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:57.739
Nacional Electoral. O sea, ya también, ya en

00:55:57.739 --> 00:55:59.880
el último tramo de esa administración, entonces

00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:03.280
todavía podían hacer lo suyo. Y yo cerraría con

00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:06.719
esto. Quedaron muchas preguntas. that the ex

00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:08.460
-president López Obrador made directly to the

00:56:08.460 --> 00:56:10.880
United States about this financing that they

00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:13.539
gave to Mexicans against corruption and impunity.

00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:15.599
And they never answered. They never answered,

00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:17.980
like with many other things, they didn't answer,

00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:22.730
so... Pues quedan muchas dudas y la independencia

00:56:22.730 --> 00:56:25.630
de ese grupo no es clara. Con esto, tristemente,

00:56:25.789 --> 00:56:28.750
tenemos que ir cerrando. Nos dio muchísimo gusto

00:56:28.750 --> 00:56:31.670
estar en sus televisores, en sus salas, en sus

00:56:31.670 --> 00:56:34.429
cocinas a lo largo de 2025. Estaremos de regreso

00:56:34.429 --> 00:56:37.130
en tres semanas, en 2026. Por supuesto que hay

00:56:37.130 --> 00:56:39.969
programa mañana, hay programa viernes, pero ha

00:56:39.969 --> 00:56:43.010
sido un gusto estar con ustedes y contar con

00:56:43.010 --> 00:56:46.829
su apoyo. Muchas gracias y muy felices fiestas

00:56:46.829 --> 00:56:49.210
por parte de todos los de la mesa de miércoles.

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