WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.680 This is a production of Channel 11 and Channel 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:53.609 22. Hamas carried out the worst attack on Jews 00:00:53.609 --> 00:00:56.409 since the Holocaust. They slaughtered 1 ,200 00:00:56.409 --> 00:00:59.570 innocent people, including over 40 Americans 00:00:59.570 --> 00:01:02.530 and foreign nationals from dozens of countries 00:01:02.530 --> 00:01:05.489 represented here. They beheaded men. They raped 00:01:05.489 --> 00:01:07.989 women. They burned babies alive. They burned 00:01:07.989 --> 00:01:10.549 babies alive in front of their parents. What 00:01:10.549 --> 00:01:14.010 monsters! And these monsters took more than 250 00:01:14.010 --> 00:01:16.790 people hostage. And those included Holocaust 00:01:16.790 --> 00:01:19.829 survivors, grandmothers, grandmothers and their 00:01:19.829 --> 00:01:22.689 grandchildren. Who takes hostage grandmothers 00:01:22.689 --> 00:01:26.769 and grandchildren? Hamas does. Thousands of years, 00:01:26.930 --> 00:01:29.150 I think you can probably say, if you really look 00:01:29.150 --> 00:01:31.870 into it, if you study back, if you're a scholar, 00:01:32.069 --> 00:01:35.750 you would say thousands of years. Israel would 00:01:35.750 --> 00:01:39.450 have my fall back into finish the job of destroying. 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:44.980 the threat of Hamas. But I hope that we're going 00:01:44.980 --> 00:01:48.439 to have a deal for peace. Hamas rejects the deal, 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:50.500 which is always possible. They're the only one 00:01:50.500 --> 00:01:54.319 left. Everyone else has accepted it. But I have 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:56.120 a feeling that we're going to have a positive 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:58.540 answer. But if not, as you know, baby, you'd 00:01:58.540 --> 00:02:02.140 have our full backing to do what you would have 00:02:02.140 --> 00:02:06.219 to do. We would not have achieved this turning 00:02:06.219 --> 00:02:10.590 point without the courage and sacrifice of our 00:02:10.590 --> 00:02:14.370 incredibly brave soldiers. They fight like lions 00:02:14.370 --> 00:02:18.550 to defend the people of Israel and they serve 00:02:18.550 --> 00:02:22.050 on the front line in the war between civilization 00:02:22.050 --> 00:02:36.650 and barbarism. Good evening, welcome, welcome, 00:02:36.830 --> 00:02:39.229 welcome to Macio Zare, the opinion bar of the 00:02:39.229 --> 00:02:42.189 public media. This Monday of journalism we are 00:02:42.189 --> 00:02:45.229 going to talk about Gaza. Gaza for many reasons, 00:02:45.430 --> 00:02:48.430 but mainly because it has been two years since 00:02:48.430 --> 00:02:51.430 this investment that is attributed to Hamas against 00:02:51.430 --> 00:02:55.990 the Israeli population, on October 7, 2023, and 00:02:55.990 --> 00:03:00.110 that was a fact under which the government of 00:03:00.110 --> 00:03:03.789 Benjamin Netanyahu has sought to justify. an 00:03:03.789 --> 00:03:06.629 escalation beyond systematic violence against 00:03:06.629 --> 00:03:09.610 the Palestinian civilian population. On this 00:03:09.610 --> 00:03:11.830 occasion, in these last two years of genocide, 00:03:12.030 --> 00:03:15.289 of brutality without any precedent. Throughout 00:03:15.289 --> 00:03:19.270 this time, schools, hospitals and homes have 00:03:19.270 --> 00:03:21.210 been bombed, refugee camps have been burned, 00:03:21.210 --> 00:03:24.189 shops with whole families inside, the press has 00:03:24.189 --> 00:03:28.930 been specifically attacked, journalists, photographers, 00:03:29.349 --> 00:03:33.110 photographers and humanitarian personnel. People 00:03:33.110 --> 00:03:34.810 who are looking for food have been shot, even 00:03:34.810 --> 00:03:37.310 though they are girls, boys who can barely walk, 00:03:37.710 --> 00:03:42.270 or older adults. The entry of food and medicines 00:03:42.270 --> 00:03:44.490 has been blocked, and specifically nonsense things 00:03:44.490 --> 00:03:49.689 like formula for babies, for newborns. This context... 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.659 It comes today with a bilateral meeting between 00:03:53.659 --> 00:03:55.960 Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu, which later 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:58.960 concluded in a press conference in the White 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.199 House, where a series of conditions were presented, 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:05.120 I think it would be an adequate word, so that 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.819 these powers would stop these actions that we 00:04:07.819 --> 00:04:11.219 have described, and they still had the audacity, 00:04:11.219 --> 00:04:13.860 to put it in one word, to call it a peace agreement 00:04:13.860 --> 00:04:16.199 in the Middle East. What we are going to do this 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:20.199 next hour is to name in a way, perhaps more appropriate, 00:04:20.339 --> 00:04:22.839 to get out of the inertia of what they are asking 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:25.980 us to name in that way, to try to understand 00:04:25.980 --> 00:04:29.180 what we are seeing and living as humanity and 00:04:29.180 --> 00:04:34.180 also sit this, let's say, in the correct dimension 00:04:34.180 --> 00:04:37.199 of what it means as a precedent for the rest 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.060 of the nations. We are going to talk about it 00:04:39.060 --> 00:04:40.839 like every Monday with Laura Sánchez Ley. Welcome. 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:43.680 Hello, good evening to everyone. With Fabricio 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.379 Mejía. Hello, good evening. Y porque esto requiere 00:04:46.379 --> 00:04:50.000 un análisis con suficiente contexto y suficiente 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:53.339 desmenuce, vamos a hablar hoy con dos periodistas 00:04:53.339 --> 00:04:55.779 del área de Once Noticias, con Ingrid Sánchez, 00:04:55.860 --> 00:04:57.939 bienvenida. Hola, buenas noches. Y Anabel Ramírez 00:04:57.939 --> 00:04:59.360 también. Gracias, buenas noches. Bienvenidas. 00:04:59.500 --> 00:05:01.899 Tenemos varias piezas que vamos a estar presentando 00:05:01.899 --> 00:05:04.399 a lo largo de la próxima hora. La primera es 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:06.699 sumamente valiosa porque tiene testimonios de 00:05:06.699 --> 00:05:09.240 territorio y a la embajadora, además de Palestina, 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:11.339 en nuestro país. ¿Nos cuentas tú, Ani? Claro 00:05:11.339 --> 00:05:39.160 que sí. Buenas noches a todos. This is a vision 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:42.420 of two years. of what has been happening, of 00:05:42.420 --> 00:05:44.459 the genocide, of the death of thousands of people. 00:05:44.779 --> 00:05:46.560 This is the piece that we are going to present 00:05:46.560 --> 00:06:11.029 to you next. Let's see if you like it. Me, my 00:06:11.029 --> 00:06:13.850 daughter, and her children. And they sleep under 00:06:13.850 --> 00:06:21.629 the sky. I say to the Mexican people and to the 00:06:21.629 --> 00:06:24.089 world, and especially to the Mexican president, 00:06:24.089 --> 00:06:28.050 look and look at us with the eyes of mercy, and 00:06:28.050 --> 00:06:30.750 with the eyes of humanity. Look at Gaza, and 00:06:30.750 --> 00:06:32.910 look at the people of Gaza. They are being humiliated, 00:06:33.029 --> 00:06:35.850 and they are being humiliated. How do you describe 00:06:35.850 --> 00:06:42.899 the feeling of seeing your people? hungry, mutilated, 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:48.500 to a whole society and a city that has been destroyed 00:06:48.500 --> 00:06:57.259 for 5 ,000 years. Mexico is pressuring America 00:06:57.259 --> 00:07:00.100 and Israel to stop the Gaza Strip war and the 00:07:00.100 --> 00:07:02.139 destruction of the Gaza Strip. Thank you, thank 00:07:02.139 --> 00:07:06.560 you to Mexico for standing with us, and may God 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:09.720 save it. The Palestinian flag has been waved 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:12.980 to remind the world of the ethnic cleansing that 00:07:12.980 --> 00:07:16.639 has cost the lives of more than 65 ,000 people, 00:07:16.899 --> 00:07:21.560 most children, and that has left more than 166 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:26.019 ,000 wounded, thousands mutilated. Studies estimate 00:07:26.019 --> 00:07:31.579 that the real number could be close to 400 ,000. 00:07:48.860 --> 00:07:52.220 Se restringe la entrada de alimentos, agua y 00:07:52.220 --> 00:07:54.720 medicinas para más de 2 millones de personas. 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:58.399 Son las niñas y niños quienes más fallecen por 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:06.339 hambre. They sleep with their stomachs empty. 00:08:06.660 --> 00:08:09.560 They drink contaminated water. Free Palestine! 00:08:09.579 --> 00:08:17.779 Free Palestine! The multiple support shows have 00:08:17.779 --> 00:08:21.259 been given in sports, artistic and concert events. 00:08:21.259 --> 00:08:25.040 But Israel? Not for the massacre. In the sea, 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:28.339 the Global Sumud fleet, integrated by more than 00:08:28.339 --> 00:08:32.080 50 ships, sails against the entire Mediterranean 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:35.980 Sea to reach Gaza, despite the threat of being 00:08:35.980 --> 00:08:38.820 attacked. Last night we suffered an attack. At 00:08:38.820 --> 00:08:42.539 least 14 of our ships were hit by drones that 00:08:42.539 --> 00:08:46.100 launched stun grenades, explosive artifacts or 00:08:46.100 --> 00:08:49.320 chemical products against them. Many of our ships 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:53.860 were damaged. The bombs fall day and night on 00:08:53.860 --> 00:08:57.980 a population already worn out. Israel continues 00:08:57.980 --> 00:09:05.360 to ignore international law and UN resolutions. 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:12.399 And why? Because it can. Life has changed. The 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:16.440 nightmares are a reality. Estos niños, ¿cuál 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:19.080 es su culpa? ¿Son también jamás? ¿Cuál es su 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:21.059 culpa de que estén desplazados con nosotros? 00:09:21.500 --> 00:09:24.059 Sus vidas se han perdido, su educación se ha 00:09:24.059 --> 00:09:29.039 perdido. El sonido de drones y bombas reemplazó 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:33.240 la risa de la infancia. Dormir no les da descanso. 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:38.519 Las pesadillas los persiguen, incluso despiertos. 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.860 It is already a recognized genocide. The solution 00:09:41.860 --> 00:09:45.139 came from the victims themselves, with the disguise 00:09:45.139 --> 00:09:50.019 of peace agreement. The plan we present today 00:09:50.019 --> 00:09:55.120 focuses on ending the war immediately, recovering 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:58.559 all our hostages and creating conditions for 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.759 lasting Israeli security and Palestinian success. 00:10:02.590 --> 00:10:05.429 The proposal would actually establish a ceasefire 00:10:05.429 --> 00:10:08.169 in exchange for the Palestinian population to 00:10:08.169 --> 00:10:11.269 renounce the possibility of the creation of an 00:10:11.269 --> 00:10:14.029 autonomous state and accept as the command of 00:10:14.029 --> 00:10:17.950 a trilateral body, integrated by Israel, Qatar 00:10:17.950 --> 00:10:20.870 and the United States. Israel's Prime Minister 00:10:20.870 --> 00:10:24.549 Benjamin Netanyahu noted that the withdrawal 00:10:24.549 --> 00:10:27.169 of the Israeli troops from Gaza would be gradual 00:10:27.169 --> 00:10:30.389 and would be conditioned to what he said would 00:10:30.389 --> 00:10:34.100 be the disarmament of Hamas. But if Hamas rejects 00:10:34.100 --> 00:10:37.980 your plan, then Israel will finish the job by 00:10:37.980 --> 00:10:40.799 itself. This can be done for the good or for 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.620 the bad, but it will be done. We prefer the easy 00:10:43.620 --> 00:10:46.139 way, but we have to do it. Both the negotiation 00:10:46.139 --> 00:10:48.759 of the plan and the meeting between Israel and 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:51.220 the United States was carried out without the 00:10:51.220 --> 00:10:53.639 representation of the Palestinian population 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:56.960 or of the countries that have served as mediators 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:00.659 in recent months. Israel has also silenced the 00:11:00.659 --> 00:11:03.980 press and has prevented foreign journalists from 00:11:03.980 --> 00:11:07.659 witnessing the barbarity and has killed more 00:11:07.659 --> 00:11:12.850 than 250 Palestinian journalists. of the Israeli 00:11:12.850 --> 00:11:15.990 attacks, the Palestinian population assures that 00:11:15.990 --> 00:11:18.929 it will not leave the Gaza Strip and give themselves 00:11:18.929 --> 00:11:24.049 the opportunity to dream. And yet, in the midst 00:11:24.049 --> 00:11:28.289 of so much cruelty, there are still sparks of 00:11:28.289 --> 00:11:34.370 hope, a shared smile, a game between the rubble, 00:11:34.509 --> 00:11:39.549 a stubborn dream that tomorrow will be different. 00:11:46.970 --> 00:11:49.289 Bueno, pues hablábamos de que vamos a escoger 00:11:49.289 --> 00:11:52.110 con mucho cuidado las palabras que vamos a utilizar 00:11:52.110 --> 00:11:54.409 para no replicar justamente discursos que estamos 00:11:54.409 --> 00:11:56.909 condenando, como el del propio Netanyahu o el 00:11:56.909 --> 00:11:59.149 de Trump. Es decir, no podemos hablar de guerra 00:11:59.149 --> 00:12:01.070 como si hubiera una asimetría de fuerzas, porque 00:12:01.070 --> 00:12:03.509 no la hay, ni de paz, porque justamente no se 00:12:03.509 --> 00:12:06.190 trata de un enfrentamiento, sino de un genocidio 00:12:06.190 --> 00:12:08.750 llevándose a cabo contra un pueblo. Entonces, 00:12:08.850 --> 00:12:11.389 ¿qué palabras escogeríamos? Quizá condiciones 00:12:11.389 --> 00:12:13.789 para un alto al fuego que fueron planteadas hoy 00:12:13.789 --> 00:12:16.570 y un poco de qué va este plan de Trump. They 00:12:16.570 --> 00:12:18.110 want to start with our international area to 00:12:18.110 --> 00:12:20.330 understand exactly, let's say, what is the history 00:12:20.330 --> 00:12:22.769 of what happened today in the sense of the proposal 00:12:22.769 --> 00:12:25.009 and also of the warning they send, because it 00:12:25.009 --> 00:12:26.309 seems to me that there was a warning not only 00:12:26.309 --> 00:12:29.750 for Palestine and the Middle East area, but for 00:12:29.750 --> 00:12:33.240 the whole planet. Sí, pues esta es una cuestión 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:35.399 que requeriría, decíamos ahorita, a lo mejor 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:37.700 irse a discutir el tema desde el siglo pasado, 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:39.620 desde principios del siglo pasado, pero para 00:12:39.620 --> 00:12:43.080 hacerlo como de manera muy, muy resumida, estamos 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.460 hablando justamente de que casi se cumplen dos 00:12:45.460 --> 00:12:47.620 años de una nueva fase, porque recordemos que 00:12:47.620 --> 00:12:50.919 esto no empezó el 7 de octubre del 2023, a pesar 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:53.580 de que así ha tratado de ser la narrativa de 00:12:53.580 --> 00:12:56.419 Benjamín Netanyahu, sí, el primer ministro, pero 00:12:56.419 --> 00:12:59.379 diría yo de todo el Estado israelí y sobre todo 00:12:59.379 --> 00:13:30.519 del régimen. Thank you very much. to the United 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.899 Nations General Assembly in this terrible speech 00:13:33.899 --> 00:13:36.220 that Netanyahu gave last Friday. They meet today 00:13:36.220 --> 00:13:42.419 and they discuss, as you say, a peace agreement 00:13:42.419 --> 00:13:46.220 proposal, which is actually a plan that in fact 00:13:46.220 --> 00:13:50.379 is to end the offensive and the reconquest of 00:13:50.379 --> 00:13:53.320 Gaza. That is, it includes points, for example, 00:13:53.419 --> 00:13:56.820 that an international committee has to be created, 00:13:56.820 --> 00:13:58.539 that it is not clear who is going to compose 00:13:58.539 --> 00:14:00.279 it. who is going to choose it or anything, it 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:02.000 is only clear that it will be held by the United 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.240 States. that will monitor different aspects of 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:08.100 political life in the Gaza Strip, such as the 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:10.220 creation of a committee of Palestinians that 00:14:10.220 --> 00:14:12.879 would be like who would manage a kind of transition, 00:14:13.220 --> 00:14:16.320 that it is not clear who would choose that committee, 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:18.559 let's say, of Palestinians, that is, it is all 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:20.799 very ambiguous, but what is clear is that the 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.940 United States and Israel will be at the forefront 00:14:23.940 --> 00:14:27.080 of this project as a transition, and in this 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:29.080 new government that would be sought to create 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:32.820 in the Gaza Strip, they will not have... in the 00:14:32.820 --> 00:14:35.779 absolute none of the palestinian factions that 00:14:35.779 --> 00:14:38.740 are considered of the resistance by the language 00:14:38.740 --> 00:14:41.379 of them let's say and that they call them terrorists 00:14:41.379 --> 00:14:44.379 that we know with all this criminalization in 00:14:44.379 --> 00:14:47.960 those factions is not only jamás which is one 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:50.000 of the organizations that is part of the government 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.580 in the Gaza Strip but it is also other organizations 00:14:53.580 --> 00:14:55.659 for example there is the Popular Front of the 00:14:55.659 --> 00:14:58.940 Liberation of Palestine, the FPLP, there is FATA, 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:03.690 etc. They are part of the Palestinian government, 00:15:03.690 --> 00:15:08.669 specifically the Gaza Strip, chosen by the Gazatis. 00:15:08.789 --> 00:15:13.429 That is important to point out. It is not a monarchy, 00:15:13.570 --> 00:15:16.830 it is a regime, or let's say, a form of democratic 00:15:16.830 --> 00:15:20.850 government. In a survey that I saw just a month 00:15:20.850 --> 00:15:22.929 or two ago, a large part of the Palestinians 00:15:22.929 --> 00:15:25.029 were still in agreement with Hamas, at least 00:15:25.029 --> 00:15:27.600 a month or two ago. Entonces, este es más o menos, 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:29.460 digamos, muy a grandes rasgos, porque son 20 00:15:29.460 --> 00:15:32.440 puntos que propone Donald Trump, pero muy a grandes 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:35.360 rasgos tiene que ver con esto, ¿no? Una cosa 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:37.600 importante es un plan para la reconstrucción 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:40.659 de la Franja de Gaza. Recordemos que Trump planteó 00:15:40.659 --> 00:15:42.860 desde febrero de este año la creación de una 00:15:42.860 --> 00:15:46.580 especie de riviera del Medio Oriente como un 00:15:46.580 --> 00:15:49.320 gran centro inmobiliario, el bien de la industria 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.740 inmobiliaria, un gran centro inmobiliario turístico 00:15:51.740 --> 00:15:54.379 en donde se van a ir a vacacionar los grandes 00:15:54.379 --> 00:15:56.659 líderes del mundo después de... to expel all 00:15:56.659 --> 00:15:59.019 the people, the entire Palestinian population. 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:02.419 So I think I'm missing a lot of points, but I 00:16:02.419 --> 00:16:05.159 think these are some of the most remarkable. 00:16:05.580 --> 00:16:07.940 I would also like to highlight that in this meeting 00:16:07.940 --> 00:16:10.740 that the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and 00:16:10.740 --> 00:16:13.240 Donald Trump had today, none of the negotiators 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:16.919 who had been participating in previous negotiations 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:20.460 were there. None of them. There were only these 00:16:20.460 --> 00:16:24.580 two characters who launch a type of threat. to 00:16:24.580 --> 00:16:29.000 the world, to this Middle East area, where there 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:33.080 will be no other authority other than them. I 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:36.080 would also like to highlight that they are implementing 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:39.440 or want to implement a technocratic and apolitical 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:41.940 government, they say, under their direction, 00:16:42.059 --> 00:16:46.179 and without anyone else to stop them. The other 00:16:46.179 --> 00:16:48.659 important point to highlight is the territory. 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:52.039 This territory that Trump is saying will be in 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:54.700 the Gaza Strip and that will be controlled by 00:16:54.700 --> 00:16:59.200 them militarily. And where are the Gazatis going 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:01.379 to stay? That's the question. They say, we're 00:17:01.379 --> 00:17:03.519 not going to take them to the force, we're not 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:05.420 going to move them, but where are they going 00:17:05.420 --> 00:17:09.680 to stay? Netanyahu says, Donald Trump, it's a 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:11.980 territory for them and it's a territory that 00:17:11.980 --> 00:17:15.819 we want security for them. Yes, but where? No 00:17:15.819 --> 00:17:18.740 se ve un plan específico en el mapa que presentó 00:17:18.740 --> 00:17:22.680 como parte de sus 20 puntos. Entonces, hay una 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:26.660 amenaza que se está viendo hacia la zona, hacia 00:17:26.660 --> 00:17:30.900 el exterior, porque no ha habido quien los frene. 00:17:31.339 --> 00:17:35.880 Y ahora parece imposible. ¿Dónde está todo ese 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.519 territorio que conformaban dos millones de personas? 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.500 ¿Dónde están todos esos edificios? ¿Dónde está 00:17:41.500 --> 00:17:43.740 todo ese desarrollo que había en la Franja de 00:17:43.740 --> 00:17:46.990 Gaza? The territory is destroyed. They have been 00:17:46.990 --> 00:17:50.450 doing total destruction for two years. There 00:17:50.450 --> 00:17:54.309 is no more. So now the reconstruction. What kind 00:17:54.309 --> 00:17:56.210 of reconstruction? Because it doesn't give so 00:17:56.210 --> 00:17:58.809 many details in its 20 points that it has said. 00:17:58.990 --> 00:18:01.670 We have a minute left of this block. Remember 00:18:01.670 --> 00:18:04.549 that these conditions are being put by someone 00:18:04.549 --> 00:18:07.740 who... had to avoid flying over some countries 00:18:07.740 --> 00:18:10.799 to not be detained. That is to say... Netanyahu. 00:18:10.900 --> 00:18:13.960 Of course, Netanyahu has an arrest warrant, and 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:16.319 he is the one who is proposing the terms after 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.299 the UN emptied at the time of his speech. That 00:18:19.299 --> 00:18:21.480 is to say, we will talk in the next block about 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:24.220 why this person, with everything and the evidence 00:18:24.220 --> 00:18:26.480 against him, is the one who is apparently proposing 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:28.960 the terms and conditions for what will come, 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:31.240 and what it would mean to accept it and not accept 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:33.519 it, and of course, what has been the position 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:36.160 of Latin America. y muy particularmente de México. 00:18:36.380 --> 00:18:38.660 Así que le invitamos a que nos acompañe a la 00:18:38.660 --> 00:18:40.440 vuelta de este corte para seguir discutiendo 00:18:40.440 --> 00:19:12.940 el tema de Gaza. Volvemos. We were missing Laura 00:19:12.940 --> 00:19:15.880 Fabricio about what is being raised today. If 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:17.640 you want, we close the round and move on to the 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:21.119 issue of the United Nations. Yes, the famous 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:24.500 Trump -Tanyahu agreement is the agreement between 00:19:24.500 --> 00:19:28.200 those who sell weapons to those who use them, 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:31.029 between the two of them. And what is missing 00:19:31.029 --> 00:19:34.130 in any peace agreement that could be proposed 00:19:34.130 --> 00:19:38.250 is the vision of the Palestinians. They have 00:19:38.250 --> 00:19:40.789 not referred, and I say Trump and Netanyahu, 00:19:40.950 --> 00:19:43.430 in the speeches of the UN General Assembly, they 00:19:43.430 --> 00:19:45.829 have never referred to Palestine. They only refer 00:19:45.829 --> 00:19:47.869 to Hamas, which is a political organization. 00:19:48.029 --> 00:19:52.470 It must be remembered. It was being said here 00:19:52.470 --> 00:19:54.809 that it is a political organization that has 00:19:54.809 --> 00:19:57.170 an armed arm, but that wins elections. It won 00:19:57.170 --> 00:20:00.910 since 2007. also supported by Israel, by the 00:20:00.910 --> 00:20:06.589 way, to weaken the PLO, the Palestinian National 00:20:06.589 --> 00:20:08.410 Authority. Well, it's not about the Palestinian 00:20:08.410 --> 00:20:11.890 National Authority, it's not about what has happened, 00:20:12.130 --> 00:20:14.430 that is, there is a genocide. Neither the armed 00:20:14.430 --> 00:20:16.170 arm of other governments. Neither the armed arm 00:20:16.170 --> 00:20:19.569 of other governments or the terrorists of Israel, 00:20:19.769 --> 00:20:25.190 which are precisely the illegal settlers. that 00:20:25.190 --> 00:20:29.690 have been like the spearhead of the occupation 00:20:29.690 --> 00:20:32.170 of settlement. In other words, to speak with 00:20:32.170 --> 00:20:36.329 words, you proposed more defined words. What 00:20:36.329 --> 00:20:39.829 Israel is doing in the Gaza Strip and in Cisjordania, 00:20:39.910 --> 00:20:44.190 which had nothing to do with Hamas, is a colonialism 00:20:44.190 --> 00:20:47.170 of settlement. That is what they are doing. It 00:20:47.170 --> 00:20:50.509 is not taking out the oil, the diamonds or whatever, 00:20:50.710 --> 00:20:55.000 but it is... to advance and occupy territory, 00:20:55.359 --> 00:21:01.599 which is completely illegal since 1967. They 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:04.200 occupy a series of territories that do not correspond 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:07.079 to them, and the UN has spent all these decades 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:11.000 saying, you can't, you're violating, resolutions 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:14.460 are raised, and that's always where the problem 00:21:14.460 --> 00:21:17.319 is. are vetoed by the United States in the Security 00:21:17.319 --> 00:21:20.619 Council. What is being proposed now in many areas 00:21:20.619 --> 00:21:23.839 is for the veto to disappear in the Security 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:25.960 Council and for the Security Council to expand 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:31.079 and act by majorities, like any democracy. Now, 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:34.539 there is nothing, not a single mention, obviously, 00:21:34.700 --> 00:21:40.880 that Benjamin Netanyahu has orders of apprehension 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:45.859 for genocide, like Milosevic had, by the International 00:21:45.859 --> 00:21:51.440 Court, like Charles Taylor from Liberia. It is 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:53.440 a genocide that goes around the world proposing 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:57.519 the advancement of its political and territorial 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:01.680 project. The victims are not there, what has 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:04.279 happened with humanitarian organizations, with 00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:07.380 the UN itself. That is, the UN Secretary General 00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:12.279 is a non -grat in Israel. When had we seen that? 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:17.339 And of course, in the case of Mexico, you will 00:22:17.339 --> 00:22:21.500 remember the attack that there was on a diplomatic 00:22:21.500 --> 00:22:24.599 mission composed of many European countries, 00:22:24.619 --> 00:22:28.519 in addition to Japan, where were our Mexican 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:33.339 representatives and that the Israeli army considered 00:22:33.339 --> 00:22:37.640 that it was good to shoot them. And there was 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:43.839 a protest from Mexico for this situation. They 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:48.240 were watching a refugee camp in Jenin, in Cisjordania, 00:22:48.420 --> 00:22:52.220 and this incident occurred. Now, to finish, is 00:22:52.220 --> 00:22:54.960 that one always tends, as Ingrid says, to lengthen 00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:57.259 in this, because it is a conflict of many years 00:22:57.259 --> 00:23:03.440 and of much injustice. Simply to finish, just 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:08.829 to say that This peace agreement that Netanyahu 00:23:08.829 --> 00:23:14.609 and Trump say is very similar to what Joe Biden 00:23:14.609 --> 00:23:21.809 did on June 1st of last year, which responded 00:23:21.809 --> 00:23:24.789 to the demand from South Africa, which, by the 00:23:24.789 --> 00:23:29.710 way, Mexico signed with Chile, to condemn genocide 00:23:29.710 --> 00:23:35.740 in the Gaza Strip. On June 1st, Joe Biden reacts 00:23:35.740 --> 00:23:38.940 to that and says, I have a peace agreement. And 00:23:38.940 --> 00:23:40.559 he proposes more or less the same thing that 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.579 Donald Trump and Netanyahu are proposing right 00:23:43.579 --> 00:23:48.180 now. That time, the difference was two things, 00:23:48.220 --> 00:23:50.359 let's say. That they were responding to that, 00:23:50.460 --> 00:23:53.599 now they are responding, according to me, except 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:57.380 for your best opinion, they are responding to 00:23:57.380 --> 00:23:59.940 Gustavo Petro's proposal, the president of Colombia, 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:04.470 to do... an army that frees Gaza, considering 00:24:04.470 --> 00:24:06.490 that the Security Council does not allow it. 00:24:07.650 --> 00:24:11.750 And I think, let's say, that the other thing 00:24:11.750 --> 00:24:15.339 that has changed a lot is the perception of the 00:24:15.339 --> 00:24:19.660 public, of the people in the world, about what 00:24:19.660 --> 00:24:22.259 this conflict is about. It is already very clear 00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:24.420 that it is a genocide, that it is against children, 00:24:24.859 --> 00:24:26.920 that it is against women, that it is against 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:29.339 civilians. They have been used, and that is why 00:24:29.339 --> 00:24:31.519 they talk so much about amputations. They have 00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:34.660 been used, it is very forbidden by the Geneva 00:24:34.660 --> 00:24:39.059 Conventions to use powerful military weapons 00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:42.829 against the civilian population. And that is 00:24:42.829 --> 00:24:44.910 why it is being talked about in the UN medical 00:24:44.910 --> 00:24:49.650 report, it is being talked about amputations. 00:24:50.869 --> 00:24:55.019 Yes, about the peace agreement. I agree on many 00:24:55.019 --> 00:24:58.440 points, but I think, in addition to everything, 00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:00.960 two points seem totally immoral to me. We cannot 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.700 be talking about the issue of a post -war government 00:25:04.700 --> 00:25:06.680 in Gaza, which is one of the 20 points that proposes 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:09.059 this agreement, when people are being bombarded 00:25:09.059 --> 00:25:11.319 in these moments, when people are being mutilated, 00:25:11.500 --> 00:25:14.380 when children are being operated without anesthesia 00:25:14.380 --> 00:25:18.099 in hospitals that have been bombarded. That, 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:20.619 on the one hand. The next point, which also seems 00:25:20.619 --> 00:25:23.309 to me really terrifying, is the issue of... a 00:25:23.309 --> 00:25:25.710 reconstruction, which is what they call it, a 00:25:25.710 --> 00:25:30.089 reconstruction where private capitals enter that 00:25:30.089 --> 00:25:34.119 allow viable commercial rents. I can't believe 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:37.859 what I'm reading when all this is happening, 00:25:37.859 --> 00:25:41.319 when in these moments Israel is bombing clinics 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:46.220 for women, clinics specialized in births and 00:25:46.220 --> 00:25:50.900 even fertility institutions so that no more Gazatis 00:25:50.900 --> 00:25:53.480 are born, so that no more Palestinian citizens 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:57.880 are born. That is the broadest, most brutal and 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:00.500 most terrible definition of genocide. And so 00:26:00.500 --> 00:26:04.019 we are talking about a reconstruction plan when 00:26:04.019 --> 00:26:06.980 all this is happening, which reminds me a lot 00:26:06.980 --> 00:26:10.500 of an author who has a book and a term called 00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:13.880 Capitalism of Disaster, which is this, isn't 00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:18.700 it? We are going to rebuild a country with totally 00:26:18.700 --> 00:26:20.700 unfavorable conditions and society is going to 00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:22.880 accept it, because at this moment it is going 00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:26.319 to accept absolutely anything to stop this war. 00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:28.400 And it doesn't stop reminding me of what the 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:31.279 United States has already done. in two very transcendental 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:33.460 moments. In 2003, with the Iraq issue, let's 00:26:33.460 --> 00:26:35.880 remember that after Saddam Hussein's fall, this 00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.299 provisional coalition authority, which was what 00:26:38.299 --> 00:26:40.839 it was called, headed by several countries, but 00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:44.539 among them by the United States, delivered multimillion 00:26:44.539 --> 00:26:46.240 -dollar reconstruction contracts to American 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.920 companies that had wide political ties. That 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:51.940 was in 2003. We have the case of Afghanistan 00:26:51.940 --> 00:26:55.660 between 2001 and 2021, that is, very recently, 00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:59.710 where... There have been reports of how, after 00:26:59.710 --> 00:27:03.049 the fall of the Taliban regime, these national 00:27:03.049 --> 00:27:05.490 reconstruction projects were promoted, which 00:27:05.490 --> 00:27:09.390 really channeled... contratistas militares y 00:27:09.390 --> 00:27:11.529 empresas de infraestructura estadounidense a 00:27:11.529 --> 00:27:13.890 esta supuesta reconstrucción que realmente no 00:27:13.890 --> 00:27:16.069 terminó en reconstrucción. Se entregaron los 00:27:16.069 --> 00:27:18.690 contratos y ni siquiera se iniciaron, ni mucho 00:27:18.690 --> 00:27:21.710 menos se terminaron las obras en este país. Entonces 00:27:21.710 --> 00:27:24.269 es la reconstrucción como negocio. A lo largo 00:27:24.269 --> 00:27:27.009 de los años han ido saliendo grandes nombres 00:27:27.009 --> 00:27:28.950 para que la gente empiece a ponerlas en el radar 00:27:28.950 --> 00:27:31.730 porque probablemente las estaremos viendo en 00:27:31.730 --> 00:27:34.109 este proyecto y estamos hablando de empresas 00:27:34.109 --> 00:27:36.869 como Bechetel, como Dincorp, como Blackwater. 00:27:36.910 --> 00:27:39.670 these great transnationals that have turned post 00:27:39.670 --> 00:27:42.690 -war into a multimillion -dollar market. That's 00:27:42.690 --> 00:27:45.650 why I think it's a tragedy what we're seeing 00:27:45.650 --> 00:27:48.269 right now. Why? Because we're not just seeing 00:27:48.269 --> 00:27:50.589 colonialist plans that are going to leave the 00:27:50.589 --> 00:27:53.150 Palestinians out of these negotiating tables. 00:27:53.190 --> 00:27:55.450 It's already started to leak in some media in 00:27:55.450 --> 00:27:58.150 Europe, more or less, how it's going to be conformed. 00:27:58.269 --> 00:28:00.069 And it's said that there won't be in the panel, 00:28:00.109 --> 00:28:01.549 not even three Palestinians, that we don't know 00:28:01.549 --> 00:28:04.109 how they're going to be elected so far. Tony 00:28:04.109 --> 00:28:05.849 Blair is going to be there. Tony Blair is going 00:28:05.849 --> 00:28:07.880 to be there. this government that we're talking 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:09.619 about, the post -war government in Gaza, for 00:28:09.619 --> 00:28:12.519 its supposed experience in other conflicts. But 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:14.240 if he was the one who supported the weapons of 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.339 mass destruction in Iraq, the invasion of Iraq, 00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.019 of course. For that Trump experience, he chose 00:28:19.019 --> 00:28:23.839 it. That's the issue. He has a curriculum. So, 00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:27.960 well, this reconstruction really only seeks, 00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:31.180 as Ingrid mentioned, to take advantage of these 00:28:31.180 --> 00:28:32.920 natural resources that have not been able to 00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:35.460 be used by the entire historical context of the 00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:39.500 genocide in palestine no que ya sabemos que también 00:28:39.500 --> 00:28:43.019 en esta franja hay grandes yacimientos de gas 00:28:43.019 --> 00:28:45.619 que trump justo ya hablado de ellos no entonces 00:28:45.619 --> 00:28:50.180 se repite el mismo patrón y perdón yo quisiera 00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:53.359 nada más comentar un par de un par de cosas por 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.480 un lado a mí me llama la atención que una de 00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:00.039 las naciones que encabeza la otan la organización 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:03.160 internacional que más enfocado está en promover 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:06.400 la guerra como ese Estados Unidos sea quien esté 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:09.799 proponiendo un... agreement that they call peace, 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.160 which we are seeing that it is not such. In reality, 00:29:12.339 --> 00:29:16.119 it is to terminate the annihilation and colonization 00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:18.660 of the territory that occupies the population 00:29:18.660 --> 00:29:22.059 in that part of the Palestinian territory, which 00:29:22.059 --> 00:29:24.059 is the Gaza Strip, because as Fabrizio said, 00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:27.400 this is Jordan too. So I think we should question 00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:30.559 that guerrilla posture of the OTAN. It is the 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.980 OTAN that has promoted the conflicts in Gaza, 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.970 as in Ukraine, and as in many other places. and 00:29:37.970 --> 00:29:40.549 then they go and paint themselves and say, ah, 00:29:40.670 --> 00:29:43.589 we are for peace, but they do not stop selling 00:29:43.589 --> 00:29:46.930 weapons to Israel, etc. The other thing about 00:29:46.930 --> 00:29:51.069 the reconstruction that you mentioned, Lau, Besalel 00:29:51.069 --> 00:29:54.150 Esmotrich, the Israeli Minister of Finance, a 00:29:54.150 --> 00:29:58.549 couple of weeks ago said very clearly, the plan 00:29:58.549 --> 00:30:01.369 and the reconstruction proposal in the Gaza Strip 00:30:01.369 --> 00:30:03.589 is super good. It has two phases, one that is 00:30:03.589 --> 00:30:07.299 the bombing, that is, the demolition. of the 00:30:07.299 --> 00:30:09.660 whole city of Gaza, and the second part, which 00:30:09.660 --> 00:30:13.059 would be the part of the reconstruction as such. 00:30:13.180 --> 00:30:15.799 And Besalel Smotrich said, we have already completed 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.859 the first phase. O sea, en esta nueva ofensiva 00:30:18.859 --> 00:30:21.400 que hay, porque recordemos que hay una ofensiva 00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:24.039 más fuerte desde hace tres, cuatro semanas, ¿no? 00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:27.319 Aproximadamente en la ciudad de Gaza. Que ya 00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:29.839 no es aérea, sino por tierra. Ya es por tierra, 00:30:29.980 --> 00:30:32.519 exacto, ¿no? Por aire, mar y tierra. Exacto. 00:30:32.660 --> 00:30:35.539 Bueno, por los tres, exacto. Entonces dicen, 00:30:35.619 --> 00:30:38.339 ya cumplimos la primera fase de demolición. Estamos 00:30:38.339 --> 00:30:40.940 como que terminando detalles, ¿no? Como la ciudad 00:30:40.940 --> 00:30:43.700 de Gaza. Y podemos iniciar la segunda parte. 00:30:43.900 --> 00:30:46.519 O sea, es un plan. O sea, digamos que lo que 00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:47.880 quiero... to say with this is that it is not 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:49.799 only because sometimes it tends to say it is 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.920 that Netanyahu is crazy, etc., right? That yes, 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:57.700 but it is a plan, let's say, like that, planned, 00:30:58.039 --> 00:30:59.759 very organized with the objective. It is a plan 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:01.500 of extermination. But if today he said it openly. 00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:03.720 It is that they say it openly now. Yes, yes, 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:05.339 yes. That is the problem. They always have said 00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:09.680 it. They seem crazy precisely because we are 00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:12.640 seeing Auschwitz live. That is, what we are seeing 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:17.059 and listening to is the genocide and the annihilation 00:31:17.059 --> 00:31:20.579 of a population, live. And they say it with words. 00:31:22.080 --> 00:31:24.680 of the truth, let's say, because that's what 00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:28.000 they want to do. Last week, Fabrizio, Netanyahu 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.420 threatened and said that now they were going 00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:33.559 to make absolutely all the traditional media 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.420 in the world and social networks to start distributing 00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:41.400 their content that he considers unequal. Well, 00:31:41.460 --> 00:31:46.539 they also invested millions in propaganda in 00:31:46.539 --> 00:31:50.779 all social networks. To launch a campaign. in 00:31:50.779 --> 00:31:55.259 which they disguise genocide as the opposite. 00:31:55.700 --> 00:31:58.420 They say they are feeding the Gaza population. 00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:01.359 They say they are taking care of them. They say 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:06.279 they are delivering the help as agreed, the necessary 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.299 quantities of calories for each person. But if 00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:11.220 it has not come, it is the fault of the Hamas 00:32:11.220 --> 00:32:13.660 group. That's what they say. It seems something, 00:32:13.779 --> 00:32:16.900 let's say, it is indignant for all these testimonies 00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:20.509 that we have heard, childhoods, whose parents 00:32:20.509 --> 00:32:22.950 are murdered in front of them, and we talk about 00:32:22.950 --> 00:32:25.109 the general conditions, testimonies of medical 00:32:25.109 --> 00:32:27.599 personnel saying... It's a game for the soldiers, 00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.019 right? One day there were children with shots 00:32:30.019 --> 00:32:32.539 in the testicles, another day in the head. There 00:32:32.539 --> 00:32:34.880 was, let's say, a very clear pattern that tells 00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:36.819 us about a cruelty that goes beyond any understanding, 00:32:37.099 --> 00:32:38.660 right? Luisa, today they killed two children. 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:40.799 Today they killed two children accused of espionage. 00:32:40.900 --> 00:32:43.779 Yes, two children killed in terror between men, 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:45.900 adults, armed, because they also know what awaits 00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:48.200 them, this systemic torture also against adolescents 00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.180 who are detained in Cisjordania and Gaza and 00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:54.039 are taken arbitrarily to prisons. In short, if 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:56.059 this were not enough to indignate us, There is 00:32:56.059 --> 00:32:57.480 another part of the conversation that we would 00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:59.660 have to put on the table, which is, today very 00:32:59.660 --> 00:33:02.279 clearly paraphrasing, they said, this is what 00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:05.319 happens to those who do not align with us. You 00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:08.160 are on our side and with our interests, perfect. 00:33:08.910 --> 00:33:11.789 They quoted the Bible, Trump has been our best 00:33:11.789 --> 00:33:14.190 friend, said Netanyahu, and if not, this is what 00:33:14.190 --> 00:33:15.829 is going to happen. And they talked not only 00:33:15.829 --> 00:33:17.349 about Gaza, they have also bombarded all the 00:33:17.349 --> 00:33:19.769 countries around, Lebanon and other countries, 00:33:19.970 --> 00:33:22.450 but this is what is going to happen to those 00:33:22.450 --> 00:33:25.269 who do not align with our colonialist interests. 00:33:25.410 --> 00:33:27.950 So, yes, it is a threat to Palestine, it is a 00:33:27.950 --> 00:33:29.750 threat to the Middle East, but it is a threat 00:33:29.750 --> 00:33:32.990 of a semi -fascist axis conforming in the world 00:33:32.990 --> 00:33:35.069 as well. That is what we should alert everyone. 00:33:35.809 --> 00:33:37.470 There are no scruples, there are no limits, there 00:33:37.470 --> 00:33:39.849 are no consequences. in the hands of these men 00:33:39.849 --> 00:33:42.710 that we saw today. Yes, that's exactly what Ambassador 00:33:42.710 --> 00:33:46.849 Nadia Rashid told us. What's going to happen? 00:33:47.069 --> 00:33:50.069 Nothing. Israel is going to continue doing this 00:33:50.069 --> 00:33:52.750 because no one has been able to stop it. There 00:33:52.750 --> 00:33:55.190 has not been a political way, there has not been 00:33:55.190 --> 00:33:56.910 an administrative way, there has been nothing 00:33:56.910 --> 00:34:00.869 to be able to stop it. So, it's being seen... 00:34:01.470 --> 00:34:03.390 that with the support of the United States, the 00:34:03.390 --> 00:34:07.069 situation has worsened in recent months. In the 00:34:07.069 --> 00:34:09.769 last few weeks, what Ingrid was saying, this 00:34:09.769 --> 00:34:11.829 operation that is taking place in the city of 00:34:11.829 --> 00:34:14.429 Gaza, which has displaced a million people in 00:34:14.429 --> 00:34:18.750 the most tetric way possible, forcing them to 00:34:18.750 --> 00:34:23.210 leave, sometimes without anything, and also killing 00:34:23.210 --> 00:34:25.340 them on the way. Telling them that there are 00:34:25.340 --> 00:34:27.340 safe zones with papers that they throw from planes 00:34:27.340 --> 00:34:29.940 that then bomb. That have never been safe. And 00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:33.119 as Fabricio said, we are witnessing a genocide 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.420 in real time. We see it all the time. If it weren't 00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:38.340 for the Palestinian journalists, and who are 00:34:38.340 --> 00:34:42.239 also murdered and persecuted. Now, if it's a 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.320 different moment, we see it in the musical scenario, 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:48.059 we see it with actors and actresses in festivals, 00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:50.780 we see it now in the United Nations. If there 00:34:50.780 --> 00:34:54.639 is a moment of condemnation, For a long time, 00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:56.840 the political cost was too high that anyone could 00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:57.840 criticize it because there was automatically 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.059 a campaign to say that it was an issue against 00:35:01.059 --> 00:35:04.260 the Jewish population instead of against a political 00:35:04.260 --> 00:35:06.900 regime. And in no way is the first thing, but 00:35:06.900 --> 00:35:09.559 the second. Today is another moment, don't you 00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:11.780 think? Yes, we already saw countries like Canada, 00:35:12.059 --> 00:35:17.019 Great Britain, France, Spain, Italy. Italy, what 00:35:17.019 --> 00:35:18.619 about Italy seems remarkable to me. What about 00:35:18.619 --> 00:35:21.630 the fleet? Yes, but Italy seems remarkable to 00:35:21.630 --> 00:35:25.130 me. I mean, the flotilla comes, Sumud, where, 00:35:25.230 --> 00:35:27.670 by the way, there are several Mexicans, including 00:35:27.670 --> 00:35:31.510 Ernesto Ledesma from Rompimiento. Arlín Medrano, 00:35:31.570 --> 00:35:34.909 too. Arlín Medrano and other Mexicans. Well, 00:35:35.030 --> 00:35:38.610 the flotilla comes with Greta Thurberg and Tiago 00:35:38.610 --> 00:35:44.599 Ávila, etc. The Italians say, yes, we are going 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:48.079 to close the ports, the workers of the ports 00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:49.579 say, we are going to close the ports that carry 00:35:49.579 --> 00:35:51.420 weapons to Israel and we are going to monitor 00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:55.340 the support of the Sumud fleet. And, well, they 00:35:55.340 --> 00:36:02.599 have also annexed ships from Turkey, a ship from 00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:08.300 Spain, and Greece, to help them in the delivery. 00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:12.519 of an indispensable humanitarian aid, but also 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:16.400 to open a corridor to allow that aid to arrive, 00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:18.940 because effectively, suddenly, the UN says we 00:36:18.940 --> 00:36:24.980 have 600 trucks on the border, standing. Yes, 00:36:25.059 --> 00:36:27.380 it is not a crisis, as it has been called. It 00:36:27.380 --> 00:36:30.679 is not a crisis, they are not giving calories 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.920 to anyone, nor water, not even water, because 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:35.739 they have specifically attacked the water wells. 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.340 Because what it's about is an extermination, 00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:39.860 that's what you have to understand, the difference. 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:42.619 It seems to me that many more people have understood 00:36:42.619 --> 00:36:46.619 what it's about. When, from the beginning, two 00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:49.659 years ago, I dared on the radio to say that there 00:36:49.659 --> 00:36:52.519 was a genocide, well, the answer was absolutely 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:56.400 desolating to say that I was lying. And I showed 00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:00.000 with evidence that where I was going or where 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:03.760 I could go, this thing that Netanyahu had already 00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:07.519 done. in its first period, which, speaking of 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.059 dictators, lasted almost 10 years, in the first 00:37:10.059 --> 00:37:13.760 period, now it is the second, of enlisting these 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:18.199 illegal settlements, in the already illegal by 00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:22.239 itself since 1967, which is Gaza, Jordan, East 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:27.159 Jerusalem. the heights of the Golan, etc., to 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:30.500 list these illegal settlements as a spearhead 00:37:30.500 --> 00:37:32.380 for the army to enter. And we have to say it, 00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.420 with a lot of Jewish population rejecting this 00:37:35.420 --> 00:37:38.599 policy in Netanyahu, in Mexico, in Israel, in 00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:41.239 Europe, in all places. We have one block left, 00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:42.880 we close this topic at the turn of the court. 00:37:43.059 --> 00:37:57.940 Don't go. Sigue el contenido de Canal 11 y Canal 00:37:57.940 --> 00:39:12.179 22. Thank you. Thank you. a response to that 00:39:12.179 --> 00:39:15.599 proposal of these Latin American countries, the 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:18.579 response that Netanyahu and Trump give. We are 00:39:18.579 --> 00:39:20.900 going to present this piece to you. I would like 00:39:20.900 --> 00:39:25.860 to just make a small, a small very symbolic question. 00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:29.300 When the participation of the president of the 00:39:29.300 --> 00:39:31.400 Palestinian National Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, 00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:34.440 please pay attention, in his flap he has a pin, 00:39:34.539 --> 00:39:37.300 which is a key, which is the way in which they 00:39:37.300 --> 00:39:41.400 claim, the Palestinians claim the demand to return 00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:45.559 to the houses and places of those who were displaced. 00:39:45.940 --> 00:39:48.579 Because that key represents the ability to open 00:39:48.579 --> 00:39:50.920 the house in which they lived before they were 00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:54.920 displaced from the Nakba in the 1970s. So, let's 00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:14.329 go ahead with the piece. Please order in the 00:40:14.329 --> 00:40:28.710 hall. Please order in the hall. Please order 00:40:28.710 --> 00:40:40.489 in the hall and please be seated. For almost 00:40:40.489 --> 00:40:44.730 two years, the genocide that Israel committed 00:40:44.730 --> 00:40:47.070 against Palestine in the Gaza Strip was wanted 00:40:47.070 --> 00:40:49.210 to be hidden. But it was in the General Assembly 00:40:49.210 --> 00:40:54.030 No. 80 of the United Nations, the UN, where the 00:40:54.030 --> 00:40:58.690 massacre took place. I want to see Netanyahu 00:40:58.690 --> 00:41:00.710 and the responsible for the genocide against 00:41:00.710 --> 00:41:03.409 the Palestinian people faced with an international 00:41:03.409 --> 00:41:06.480 court of justice. If the recognition of the state 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.639 of Palestine is urgent, it is even more so that 00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:11.679 there is a Palestinian people in the state that 00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:15.420 we intend to recognize. And unfortunately, the 00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:19.340 Palestinian people is being annihilated. That 00:41:19.340 --> 00:41:21.460 is why I invite the nations of the world and 00:41:21.460 --> 00:41:25.639 their peoples above all, as part of humanity, 00:41:26.179 --> 00:41:31.360 to join armies and weapons. We must liberate 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.650 Palestine. In his intervention, Israeli Prime 00:41:34.650 --> 00:41:38.250 Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the genocide 00:41:38.250 --> 00:41:41.630 he was accused of and presumed the attacks of 00:41:41.630 --> 00:41:43.989 Israel against other countries such as Lebanon, 00:41:44.269 --> 00:41:48.889 Iran, Qatar, Yemen and even condemned those who 00:41:48.889 --> 00:41:55.489 support Palestine. In fact, they reward the most 00:41:55.489 --> 00:41:59.460 anti -Semites on Earth this week. The leaders 00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:02.159 of France, Britain, Australia and Canada and 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:05.840 other countries unconditionally recognized the 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:07.920 Palestinian state. Although he was not present 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.000 due to the fact that the United States revoked 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.360 his visa, the president of the Palestinian National 00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:16.280 Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, gave his speech remotely. 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:23.840 It is imperious that the war in Gaza be put to 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:41.409 an urgent end. Sin sorpresa, Donald Trump He 00:42:41.409 --> 00:42:43.949 blamed Hamas for the situation in Gaza. He also 00:42:43.949 --> 00:42:45.869 took the opportunity to launch himself against 00:42:45.869 --> 00:42:48.570 climate change and migration. I must reiterate 00:42:48.570 --> 00:42:52.190 that migration and the high cost of the so -called 00:42:52.190 --> 00:42:54.809 green renewable energy is destroying a large 00:42:54.809 --> 00:42:57.690 part of the free world, a large part of the planet. 00:43:02.290 --> 00:43:05.309 The genocide in Gaza came out of the discussion 00:43:05.309 --> 00:43:08.570 of the UN Assembly and reached the streets. The 00:43:08.570 --> 00:43:12.610 Colombian president asked the United States and 00:43:12.610 --> 00:43:14.289 Israel for a greater force to stop the attack 00:43:14.289 --> 00:43:18.210 on the population. I ask all the soldiers of 00:43:18.210 --> 00:43:24.530 the United States Army not to point their rifles 00:43:24.530 --> 00:43:30.230 at humanity. Disobey the order of Trump. The 00:43:30.230 --> 00:43:33.989 UN Assembly concluded, but an idea remained as 00:43:33.989 --> 00:43:43.789 urgent. Stop genocide in Gaza. This is the participation 00:43:43.789 --> 00:43:46.750 that we prepared, this compilation about how 00:43:46.750 --> 00:43:50.880 the speeches were before the UN. A very important 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:54.380 issue is that, from my perspective, it had been 00:43:54.380 --> 00:43:56.880 a long time since a UN assembly generated, or 00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.900 rather did not generate, so many expectations. 00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.039 It is an important issue. But what I was saying 00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.800 before presenting the piece is very clear. Las 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:08.280 quedan muy claras los dos bandos y las posiciones 00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.139 que hay en el mundo en torno al genocidio. Ya 00:44:12.139 --> 00:44:15.300 no hay forma de decir, no sabíamos, porque como 00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:17.679 decían, está siendo televisado en tiempo real. 00:44:17.860 --> 00:44:20.900 Lo vemos en nuestros celulares cuando nos despertamos 00:44:20.900 --> 00:44:23.800 y antes de dormir, como desde esa fuera del aire 00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:26.059 uno ve al Yacyra para relajarse en la noche, 00:44:26.179 --> 00:44:29.039 ¿no? Lo estamos viendo todo el tiempo y están 00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:32.460 muy claras esas posiciones y con esta propuesta 00:44:32.460 --> 00:44:34.909 del llamado a acuerdo de... peace, which is rather 00:44:34.909 --> 00:44:38.400 this agreement of recolonization. Well, it is 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:41.059 also very clear what is the historical plan of 00:44:41.059 --> 00:44:45.260 Zionism as an ideological posture. That is very 00:44:45.260 --> 00:44:47.679 important. It is not only a religious issue, 00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:49.380 because he has also wanted to disguise it as 00:44:49.380 --> 00:44:51.900 a religious issue. It is not such. It is a position 00:44:51.900 --> 00:44:55.900 or it is an economic, political and ideological 00:44:55.900 --> 00:44:58.280 plan that also, as you said, Luisa, will not 00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:03.420 stop in the Gaza Strip. They have the aspiration 00:45:03.420 --> 00:45:07.820 to reach other regions. In a way, they do. The 00:45:07.820 --> 00:45:10.260 Israeli lobby in the world is one of the most 00:45:10.260 --> 00:45:13.179 powerful. They have economic interests in practically 00:45:13.179 --> 00:45:17.820 the whole world, economic agreements, academic 00:45:17.820 --> 00:45:21.139 agreements, agreements of all kinds that not 00:45:21.139 --> 00:45:24.360 only have not been finished, but in some cases 00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:27.920 have even been strengthened. So it is something 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.940 very important to consider in that sense. And 00:45:30.940 --> 00:45:34.099 well, the opposition of Gustavo Petro in this 00:45:34.099 --> 00:45:37.389 assembly saying... Tenemos que hacer efectivo 00:45:37.389 --> 00:45:40.210 porque nadie lo hace efectivo. Vayamos y hagamos 00:45:40.210 --> 00:45:42.190 lo efectivo. Claro, él como es guerrillero no 00:45:42.190 --> 00:45:44.630 sabe de eso. Entonces, pues me parece que es 00:45:44.630 --> 00:45:46.829 muy clara esa posición. Carrar la espada, dice. 00:45:46.969 --> 00:45:52.610 De Bolívar. De Bolívar. Otra vez, sí. To start 00:45:52.610 --> 00:45:55.469 with this, it seems to me that many countries 00:45:55.469 --> 00:45:57.550 are taking a historical step. I think they gave 00:45:57.550 --> 00:46:02.150 it to recognize Palestine as a state. It does 00:46:02.150 --> 00:46:03.969 not seem to me a simple diplomatic gesture because 00:46:03.969 --> 00:46:06.130 it opens the way to several things. On the one 00:46:06.130 --> 00:46:08.409 hand, the Palestinian people have the right to 00:46:08.409 --> 00:46:11.949 exist. On the other hand, to govern and, most 00:46:11.949 --> 00:46:13.889 importantly, to claim justice in international 00:46:13.889 --> 00:46:17.230 courts. I think that for me is very important. 00:46:17.530 --> 00:46:19.590 And it also breaks the narrative that Israel 00:46:19.590 --> 00:46:38.590 has imposed throughout everything. Thank you 00:46:38.590 --> 00:46:51.969 very much. pues no vale no si no hay sanciones 00:46:51.969 --> 00:46:54.449 si no hay embargo de armas si no hay presión 00:46:54.449 --> 00:46:57.010 diplomático real el genocidio va a continuar 00:46:57.010 --> 00:46:59.900 y me parece que solo van a satisfacer certain 00:46:59.900 --> 00:47:02.219 group of voters who are the ones who are interested 00:47:02.219 --> 00:47:04.119 on the one hand and on the other, well, add a 00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:06.079 movement that is getting bigger and bigger internationally 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:10.980 to come out in the press. So I think recognizing 00:47:10.980 --> 00:47:14.119 Palestine is also an act of historical memory 00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:16.900 since 1948. And now the challenge is going to 00:47:16.900 --> 00:47:20.719 be to convert this recognition into material 00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:23.360 actions such as humanitarian aid, international 00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:27.280 protection and see what happens in the Inter 00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:59.039 -American Criminal Court with the. So. Mexican 00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.039 colleagues and from other countries because they 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:04.639 arrive safely and can deliver if not directly 00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:08.659 in gaza at some point delivery of these foods 00:48:08.659 --> 00:48:10.559 is made because let's remember that people are 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:14.239 dying for dozens for hundreds of hunger that 00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:16.860 mothers cannot breastfeed not even their babies 00:48:16.860 --> 00:48:18.340 and that is what is being carried out at the 00:48:18.340 --> 00:48:21.380 moment by the brave Mexican delegation that is 00:48:21.380 --> 00:48:23.940 about to arrive there but nothing is a note they 00:48:23.940 --> 00:48:26.199 have raised that they do not go their objective 00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:28.559 is not to disembark in the Gaza Strip, but to 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.880 stay at some point in the sea and through contacts 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.480 to make the delivery. They are not thinking about 00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:36.539 arriving directly to Earth. But the direct delivery, 00:48:36.539 --> 00:48:40.079 because if Israel says no, give it to us, we 00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:43.719 distribute it. Yes, well, I would like to close 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.519 with one thing that makes me very important that 00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:50.659 our audience has it in their sights, which is 00:48:50.659 --> 00:48:53.840 that there is a kind of I don't know, there's 00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:56.559 a lot of bad information that says that Mexico 00:48:56.559 --> 00:49:01.980 has done nothing in this conflict, the genocide 00:49:01.980 --> 00:49:04.840 of Gaza. And I want to read very quickly what 00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:09.320 has been done, what has been done since it started 00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:14.980 two years ago, this genocide. In 2024, do you 00:49:14.980 --> 00:49:18.039 remember, Mexico and Chile joined the demand 00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:23.039 of South Africa to consider genocide to what 00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:28.159 is happening in the Gaza Strip. In 2024, Mexico 00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.460 also voted in favor of the Palestinian right 00:49:30.460 --> 00:49:35.400 as a member of the UN. On March 19, 2025... already 00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:36.820 with the government of Claudia Sheinbaum, you 00:49:36.820 --> 00:49:39.780 receive the credit cards of whom you interviewed, 00:49:40.300 --> 00:49:43.960 of Ashley Rashid, who is the first ambassador 00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:48.579 as such in Mexico, which I find this matter fundamental. 00:49:48.659 --> 00:49:51.619 In July 2025, Mexico coordinates the Conference 00:49:51.619 --> 00:49:54.239 of the Solution of the Two States, which is part 00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:57.059 of a political declaration that is approved on 00:49:57.059 --> 00:50:01.300 September 12, 2025 in the UN. On August 23, 2025, 00:50:01.619 --> 00:50:03.940 the Secretary of Foreign Relations makes a call. 00:50:04.539 --> 00:50:07.559 urgent to the UN to allow the passage of humanitarian 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.099 aid before the declaration of famine. Since May, 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:14.679 Mexico had gone to the International Court of 00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:18.380 Justice to protest because hunger and thirst 00:50:18.380 --> 00:50:22.079 are not a method of war. On September 5, 2025, 00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:29.380 the Secretary of Foreign Relations makes a call 00:50:29.380 --> 00:50:33.449 to Israel. so that the rights of Mexicans in 00:50:33.449 --> 00:50:36.449 the ZUMUT fleet that we were talking about a 00:50:36.449 --> 00:50:40.190 moment ago are guaranteed. And finally, I would 00:50:40.190 --> 00:50:42.090 like to say something that I thought I didn't 00:50:42.090 --> 00:50:46.809 know, and now I'm looking for it. Since May 24, 00:50:46.869 --> 00:50:53.769 2025, Mexico manages to reunite 18 people from 00:50:53.769 --> 00:51:00.659 the AED family. who were in the Gaza Strip, living 00:51:00.659 --> 00:51:05.139 in the occupation, those 18 members are reunified 00:51:05.139 --> 00:51:06.880 in Mexico and they are given the status of refugees. 00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:08.940 I think that solution is very important for Mexico. 00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:15.960 Yes, to close, also, yes, precisely these measures 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:18.340 that Mexico has taken and that have been appreciated 00:51:18.340 --> 00:51:20.960 both by the Palestinians, as we saw in the note, 00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:26.469 as the diplomatic part of the ambassador, and 00:51:26.469 --> 00:51:28.530 they have been important, they have opened the 00:51:28.530 --> 00:51:33.849 way for this call to be made from places like 00:51:33.849 --> 00:51:38.230 the UN. It is important to note that what the 00:51:38.230 --> 00:51:40.969 President just said about the recognition of 00:51:40.969 --> 00:51:43.130 the two states, I also find it very important, 00:51:43.289 --> 00:51:46.389 President Claudia Schimann. and also to reiterate 00:51:46.389 --> 00:51:50.030 in another sense the call they have made on the 00:51:50.030 --> 00:51:52.789 fleet to follow them. They have highlighted that 00:51:52.789 --> 00:51:57.750 they are already at a very difficult point, very 00:51:57.750 --> 00:51:59.989 difficult in which they could already be detained 00:51:59.989 --> 00:52:03.750 by Israel and it worries the way in which they 00:52:03.750 --> 00:52:06.110 can be detained, in how they can be treated, 00:52:06.289 --> 00:52:10.030 we commented. because they have been called terrorists. 00:52:10.409 --> 00:52:14.329 So that is also a concern. And well, this right 00:52:14.329 --> 00:52:17.269 to exist that the Palestinians are asking for. 00:52:18.619 --> 00:52:20.659 and that they should not ask for it, they should 00:52:20.659 --> 00:52:23.380 have it. They should have this right to exist 00:52:23.380 --> 00:52:25.940 freely in the world, said the ambassador, not 00:52:25.940 --> 00:52:29.860 only within the West Bank or the Gaza Strip, 00:52:29.860 --> 00:52:32.199 but from all over the world. All Palestinians 00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:34.139 who are in the world should be able to exist 00:52:34.139 --> 00:52:37.460 freely. And to close, we are waiting for the 00:52:37.460 --> 00:52:41.760 response of the Hamas group. to this ultimatum 00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:44.679 that President Donald Trump made today to know 00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:47.739 if they accept or not the peace agreement. As 00:52:47.739 --> 00:52:51.619 far as we knew, they were talking about it, they 00:52:51.619 --> 00:52:53.780 were studying it, but they had not given any 00:52:53.780 --> 00:52:56.800 answer. The Palestinian Authority said yes, that 00:52:56.800 --> 00:53:00.659 they agreed, but if they never accept it... There 00:53:00.659 --> 00:53:02.599 is no other way. It is assumed that they have 00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:05.880 less than 70 hours to respond. And to close, 00:53:06.179 --> 00:53:10.980 I would just ask that we do not allow the population 00:53:10.980 --> 00:53:13.460 of Gaza to be responsible for its fate, if it 00:53:13.460 --> 00:53:16.659 never accepts this conditioning for the high 00:53:16.659 --> 00:53:18.579 to the fire, which I refuse to call peace agreement, 00:53:18.619 --> 00:53:20.119 because it is precisely what you said, the capitalism 00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:21.980 of the disaster, that is, the business with the 00:53:21.980 --> 00:53:24.679 tragedy that you caused. So, let's say, let's 00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:26.039 not allow that if it is not accepted, they say, 00:53:26.099 --> 00:53:27.300 ah, well, it was offered to them and they did 00:53:27.300 --> 00:53:29.000 not accept it, because the original problem is 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:31.219 that a genocide is being committed. It is that 00:53:31.219 --> 00:53:32.880 for all that you mention, I think it makes no 00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:35.980 sense to call it a peace agreement, because the 00:53:35.980 --> 00:53:38.079 people have the right to exist and self -govern 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:39.119 themselves, which is what we were talking about. 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:41.380 So, how is it going to be possible for foreign 00:53:41.380 --> 00:53:44.380 actors to come to try to decide? I mean, that 00:53:44.380 --> 00:53:47.079 is not recognizing the Palestinian state. Sorry, 00:53:48.260 --> 00:53:50.360 very quickly, I think it is very serious, because 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:53.079 if you agree, if you never accept the peace agreement, 00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:56.380 would be a tragic issue for the Palestinian population 00:53:56.380 --> 00:53:58.860 in the future, right? I mean, it would be their 00:53:58.860 --> 00:54:00.820 complete suggestion. And if they don't accept 00:54:00.820 --> 00:54:06.019 it, too. I mean, it's a very complicated, very 00:54:06.019 --> 00:54:08.780 complex situation that cannot be said at all, 00:54:08.780 --> 00:54:10.780 as it is their responsibility not to accept it. 00:54:10.860 --> 00:54:13.300 Well, I think a good point to take us to task 00:54:13.300 --> 00:54:16.179 is just to understand where the power of Israel 00:54:16.179 --> 00:54:18.900 lies, that is, why they can do in broad daylight 00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:21.179 on our 24 -7 cell phones what they are doing. 00:54:48.059 --> 00:54:50.659 We are leaving with messages from people who 00:54:50.659 --> 00:55:10.960 do us the favor. Luis Fer, buenas noches. Maciosare, 00:55:11.019 --> 00:55:13.280 ¿creen que Trump hace esto porque verdaderamente 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:16.059 cree que podría ser premio Nobel de la Paz a 00:55:16.059 --> 00:55:18.599 pesar de atentar contra derechos de migrantes? 00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:23.110 Gracias, Luis. David Urquiza M., how is it possible 00:55:23.110 --> 00:55:26.050 that the world has been dehumanized so much? 00:55:27.690 --> 00:55:30.949 And Marco Antonio Cruz tells us, of course, also 00:55:30.949 --> 00:55:33.369 all my solidarity and support to the Palestinian 00:55:33.369 --> 00:55:38.150 people, the genocide is condemned. Well, there 00:55:38.150 --> 00:55:41.230 are some... Ay, Rocio Valores, it is an incoherence 00:55:41.230 --> 00:55:43.289 that Israel says to be the people of God and 00:55:43.289 --> 00:55:44.969 the United States talks a lot about the Bible 00:55:44.969 --> 00:55:46.929 and they are doing this to thousands of children 00:55:46.929 --> 00:55:52.159 and women. Thank you very much. Fernando Avila, 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.539 the plan of razed land is what is being applied 00:55:54.539 --> 00:55:56.460 in Palestine. Historically, it has always been 00:55:56.460 --> 00:55:58.480 like this. Let's remember Tenochtitlan. It was 00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:01.440 the same cruelty and more cruelty. Well, with 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:03.440 that we close. Thank you very much for joining 00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:07.659 us. As we said, this is far from being the end 00:56:07.659 --> 00:56:10.480 of the topic. We also recommend just another 00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:14.280 program that we did about Palestine, about Israel, 00:56:14.500 --> 00:56:17.599 about Iran, about precisely this escalation of 00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:19.800 violence in the first season of Masiosare, because 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.820 there we explain precisely the colonialist project, 00:56:22.820 --> 00:56:27.760 how the territory has been reconfigured and what 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:31.179 could happen if it is done. in these conditions 00:56:31.179 --> 00:56:33.420 that these two powers are imposing, the United 00:56:33.420 --> 00:56:35.559 States and Israel, not only for the Palestinian 00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:38.880 people, but for all international pacts. It is 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:41.440 imposing itself via violence, via brutality. 00:56:41.940 --> 00:56:43.739 With that, we say goodbye. Thank you very much 00:56:43.739 --> 00:56:58.880 and until next time. Thank you.