This is a production of Channel 11 and Channel
22. Hamas carried out the worst attack on Jews
since the Holocaust. They slaughtered 1 ,200
innocent people, including over 40 Americans
and foreign nationals from dozens of countries
represented here. They beheaded men. They raped
women. They burned babies alive. They burned
babies alive in front of their parents. What
monsters! And these monsters took more than 250
people hostage. And those included Holocaust
survivors, grandmothers, grandmothers and their
grandchildren. Who takes hostage grandmothers
and grandchildren? Hamas does. Thousands of years,
I think you can probably say, if you really look
into it, if you study back, if you're a scholar,
you would say thousands of years. Israel would
have my fall back into finish the job of destroying.
the threat of Hamas. But I hope that we're going
to have a deal for peace. Hamas rejects the deal,
which is always possible. They're the only one
left. Everyone else has accepted it. But I have
a feeling that we're going to have a positive
answer. But if not, as you know, baby, you'd
have our full backing to do what you would have
to do. We would not have achieved this turning
point without the courage and sacrifice of our
incredibly brave soldiers. They fight like lions
to defend the people of Israel and they serve
on the front line in the war between civilization
and barbarism. Good evening, welcome, welcome,
welcome to Macio Zare, the opinion bar of the
public media. This Monday of journalism we are
going to talk about Gaza. Gaza for many reasons,
but mainly because it has been two years since
this investment that is attributed to Hamas against
the Israeli population, on October 7, 2023, and
that was a fact under which the government of
Benjamin Netanyahu has sought to justify. an
escalation beyond systematic violence against
the Palestinian civilian population. On this
occasion, in these last two years of genocide,
of brutality without any precedent. Throughout
this time, schools, hospitals and homes have
been bombed, refugee camps have been burned,
shops with whole families inside, the press has
been specifically attacked, journalists, photographers,
photographers and humanitarian personnel. People
who are looking for food have been shot, even
though they are girls, boys who can barely walk,
or older adults. The entry of food and medicines
has been blocked, and specifically nonsense things
like formula for babies, for newborns. This context...
It comes today with a bilateral meeting between
Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu, which later
concluded in a press conference in the White
House, where a series of conditions were presented,
I think it would be an adequate word, so that
these powers would stop these actions that we
have described, and they still had the audacity,
to put it in one word, to call it a peace agreement
in the Middle East. What we are going to do this
next hour is to name in a way, perhaps more appropriate,
to get out of the inertia of what they are asking
us to name in that way, to try to understand
what we are seeing and living as humanity and
also sit this, let's say, in the correct dimension
of what it means as a precedent for the rest
of the nations. We are going to talk about it
like every Monday with Laura Sánchez Ley. Welcome.
Hello, good evening to everyone. With Fabricio
Mejía. Hello, good evening. Y porque esto requiere
un análisis con suficiente contexto y suficiente
desmenuce, vamos a hablar hoy con dos periodistas
del área de Once Noticias, con Ingrid Sánchez,
bienvenida. Hola, buenas noches. Y Anabel Ramírez
también. Gracias, buenas noches. Bienvenidas.
Tenemos varias piezas que vamos a estar presentando
a lo largo de la próxima hora. La primera es
sumamente valiosa porque tiene testimonios de
territorio y a la embajadora, además de Palestina,
en nuestro país. ¿Nos cuentas tú, Ani? Claro
que sí. Buenas noches a todos. This is a vision
of two years. of what has been happening, of
the genocide, of the death of thousands of people.
This is the piece that we are going to present
to you next. Let's see if you like it. Me, my
daughter, and her children. And they sleep under
the sky. I say to the Mexican people and to the
world, and especially to the Mexican president,
look and look at us with the eyes of mercy, and
with the eyes of humanity. Look at Gaza, and
look at the people of Gaza. They are being humiliated,
and they are being humiliated. How do you describe
the feeling of seeing your people? hungry, mutilated,
to a whole society and a city that has been destroyed
for 5 ,000 years. Mexico is pressuring America
and Israel to stop the Gaza Strip war and the
destruction of the Gaza Strip. Thank you, thank
you to Mexico for standing with us, and may God
save it. The Palestinian flag has been waved
to remind the world of the ethnic cleansing that
has cost the lives of more than 65 ,000 people,
most children, and that has left more than 166
,000 wounded, thousands mutilated. Studies estimate
that the real number could be close to 400 ,000.
Se restringe la entrada de alimentos, agua y
medicinas para más de 2 millones de personas.
Son las niñas y niños quienes más fallecen por
hambre. They sleep with their stomachs empty.
They drink contaminated water. Free Palestine!
Free Palestine! The multiple support shows have
been given in sports, artistic and concert events.
But Israel? Not for the massacre. In the sea,
the Global Sumud fleet, integrated by more than
50 ships, sails against the entire Mediterranean
Sea to reach Gaza, despite the threat of being
attacked. Last night we suffered an attack. At
least 14 of our ships were hit by drones that
launched stun grenades, explosive artifacts or
chemical products against them. Many of our ships
were damaged. The bombs fall day and night on
a population already worn out. Israel continues
to ignore international law and UN resolutions.
And why? Because it can. Life has changed. The
nightmares are a reality. Estos niños, ¿cuál
es su culpa? ¿Son también jamás? ¿Cuál es su
culpa de que estén desplazados con nosotros?
Sus vidas se han perdido, su educación se ha
perdido. El sonido de drones y bombas reemplazó
la risa de la infancia. Dormir no les da descanso.
Las pesadillas los persiguen, incluso despiertos.
It is already a recognized genocide. The solution
came from the victims themselves, with the disguise
of peace agreement. The plan we present today
focuses on ending the war immediately, recovering
all our hostages and creating conditions for
lasting Israeli security and Palestinian success.
The proposal would actually establish a ceasefire
in exchange for the Palestinian population to
renounce the possibility of the creation of an
autonomous state and accept as the command of
a trilateral body, integrated by Israel, Qatar
and the United States. Israel's Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu noted that the withdrawal
of the Israeli troops from Gaza would be gradual
and would be conditioned to what he said would
be the disarmament of Hamas. But if Hamas rejects
your plan, then Israel will finish the job by
itself. This can be done for the good or for
the bad, but it will be done. We prefer the easy
way, but we have to do it. Both the negotiation
of the plan and the meeting between Israel and
the United States was carried out without the
representation of the Palestinian population
or of the countries that have served as mediators
in recent months. Israel has also silenced the
press and has prevented foreign journalists from
witnessing the barbarity and has killed more
than 250 Palestinian journalists. of the Israeli
attacks, the Palestinian population assures that
it will not leave the Gaza Strip and give themselves
the opportunity to dream. And yet, in the midst
of so much cruelty, there are still sparks of
hope, a shared smile, a game between the rubble,
a stubborn dream that tomorrow will be different.
Bueno, pues hablábamos de que vamos a escoger
con mucho cuidado las palabras que vamos a utilizar
para no replicar justamente discursos que estamos
condenando, como el del propio Netanyahu o el
de Trump. Es decir, no podemos hablar de guerra
como si hubiera una asimetría de fuerzas, porque
no la hay, ni de paz, porque justamente no se
trata de un enfrentamiento, sino de un genocidio
llevándose a cabo contra un pueblo. Entonces,
¿qué palabras escogeríamos? Quizá condiciones
para un alto al fuego que fueron planteadas hoy
y un poco de qué va este plan de Trump. They
want to start with our international area to
understand exactly, let's say, what is the history
of what happened today in the sense of the proposal
and also of the warning they send, because it
seems to me that there was a warning not only
for Palestine and the Middle East area, but for
the whole planet. Sí, pues esta es una cuestión
que requeriría, decíamos ahorita, a lo mejor
irse a discutir el tema desde el siglo pasado,
desde principios del siglo pasado, pero para
hacerlo como de manera muy, muy resumida, estamos
hablando justamente de que casi se cumplen dos
años de una nueva fase, porque recordemos que
esto no empezó el 7 de octubre del 2023, a pesar
de que así ha tratado de ser la narrativa de
Benjamín Netanyahu, sí, el primer ministro, pero
diría yo de todo el Estado israelí y sobre todo
del régimen. Thank you very much. to the United
Nations General Assembly in this terrible speech
that Netanyahu gave last Friday. They meet today
and they discuss, as you say, a peace agreement
proposal, which is actually a plan that in fact
is to end the offensive and the reconquest of
Gaza. That is, it includes points, for example,
that an international committee has to be created,
that it is not clear who is going to compose
it. who is going to choose it or anything, it
is only clear that it will be held by the United
States. that will monitor different aspects of
political life in the Gaza Strip, such as the
creation of a committee of Palestinians that
would be like who would manage a kind of transition,
that it is not clear who would choose that committee,
let's say, of Palestinians, that is, it is all
very ambiguous, but what is clear is that the
United States and Israel will be at the forefront
of this project as a transition, and in this
new government that would be sought to create
in the Gaza Strip, they will not have... in the
absolute none of the palestinian factions that
are considered of the resistance by the language
of them let's say and that they call them terrorists
that we know with all this criminalization in
those factions is not only jamás which is one
of the organizations that is part of the government
in the Gaza Strip but it is also other organizations
for example there is the Popular Front of the
Liberation of Palestine, the FPLP, there is FATA,
etc. They are part of the Palestinian government,
specifically the Gaza Strip, chosen by the Gazatis.
That is important to point out. It is not a monarchy,
it is a regime, or let's say, a form of democratic
government. In a survey that I saw just a month
or two ago, a large part of the Palestinians
were still in agreement with Hamas, at least
a month or two ago. Entonces, este es más o menos,
digamos, muy a grandes rasgos, porque son 20
puntos que propone Donald Trump, pero muy a grandes
rasgos tiene que ver con esto, ¿no? Una cosa
importante es un plan para la reconstrucción
de la Franja de Gaza. Recordemos que Trump planteó
desde febrero de este año la creación de una
especie de riviera del Medio Oriente como un
gran centro inmobiliario, el bien de la industria
inmobiliaria, un gran centro inmobiliario turístico
en donde se van a ir a vacacionar los grandes
líderes del mundo después de... to expel all
the people, the entire Palestinian population.
So I think I'm missing a lot of points, but I
think these are some of the most remarkable.
I would also like to highlight that in this meeting
that the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and
Donald Trump had today, none of the negotiators
who had been participating in previous negotiations
were there. None of them. There were only these
two characters who launch a type of threat. to
the world, to this Middle East area, where there
will be no other authority other than them. I
would also like to highlight that they are implementing
or want to implement a technocratic and apolitical
government, they say, under their direction,
and without anyone else to stop them. The other
important point to highlight is the territory.
This territory that Trump is saying will be in
the Gaza Strip and that will be controlled by
them militarily. And where are the Gazatis going
to stay? That's the question. They say, we're
not going to take them to the force, we're not
going to move them, but where are they going
to stay? Netanyahu says, Donald Trump, it's a
territory for them and it's a territory that
we want security for them. Yes, but where? No
se ve un plan específico en el mapa que presentó
como parte de sus 20 puntos. Entonces, hay una
amenaza que se está viendo hacia la zona, hacia
el exterior, porque no ha habido quien los frene.
Y ahora parece imposible. ¿Dónde está todo ese
territorio que conformaban dos millones de personas?
¿Dónde están todos esos edificios? ¿Dónde está
todo ese desarrollo que había en la Franja de
Gaza? The territory is destroyed. They have been
doing total destruction for two years. There
is no more. So now the reconstruction. What kind
of reconstruction? Because it doesn't give so
many details in its 20 points that it has said.
We have a minute left of this block. Remember
that these conditions are being put by someone
who... had to avoid flying over some countries
to not be detained. That is to say... Netanyahu.
Of course, Netanyahu has an arrest warrant, and
he is the one who is proposing the terms after
the UN emptied at the time of his speech. That
is to say, we will talk in the next block about
why this person, with everything and the evidence
against him, is the one who is apparently proposing
the terms and conditions for what will come,
and what it would mean to accept it and not accept
it, and of course, what has been the position
of Latin America. y muy particularmente de México.
Así que le invitamos a que nos acompañe a la
vuelta de este corte para seguir discutiendo
el tema de Gaza. Volvemos. We were missing Laura
Fabricio about what is being raised today. If
you want, we close the round and move on to the
issue of the United Nations. Yes, the famous
Trump -Tanyahu agreement is the agreement between
those who sell weapons to those who use them,
between the two of them. And what is missing
in any peace agreement that could be proposed
is the vision of the Palestinians. They have
not referred, and I say Trump and Netanyahu,
in the speeches of the UN General Assembly, they
have never referred to Palestine. They only refer
to Hamas, which is a political organization.
It must be remembered. It was being said here
that it is a political organization that has
an armed arm, but that wins elections. It won
since 2007. also supported by Israel, by the
way, to weaken the PLO, the Palestinian National
Authority. Well, it's not about the Palestinian
National Authority, it's not about what has happened,
that is, there is a genocide. Neither the armed
arm of other governments. Neither the armed arm
of other governments or the terrorists of Israel,
which are precisely the illegal settlers. that
have been like the spearhead of the occupation
of settlement. In other words, to speak with
words, you proposed more defined words. What
Israel is doing in the Gaza Strip and in Cisjordania,
which had nothing to do with Hamas, is a colonialism
of settlement. That is what they are doing. It
is not taking out the oil, the diamonds or whatever,
but it is... to advance and occupy territory,
which is completely illegal since 1967. They
occupy a series of territories that do not correspond
to them, and the UN has spent all these decades
saying, you can't, you're violating, resolutions
are raised, and that's always where the problem
is. are vetoed by the United States in the Security
Council. What is being proposed now in many areas
is for the veto to disappear in the Security
Council and for the Security Council to expand
and act by majorities, like any democracy. Now,
there is nothing, not a single mention, obviously,
that Benjamin Netanyahu has orders of apprehension
for genocide, like Milosevic had, by the International
Court, like Charles Taylor from Liberia. It is
a genocide that goes around the world proposing
the advancement of its political and territorial
project. The victims are not there, what has
happened with humanitarian organizations, with
the UN itself. That is, the UN Secretary General
is a non -grat in Israel. When had we seen that?
And of course, in the case of Mexico, you will
remember the attack that there was on a diplomatic
mission composed of many European countries,
in addition to Japan, where were our Mexican
representatives and that the Israeli army considered
that it was good to shoot them. And there was
a protest from Mexico for this situation. They
were watching a refugee camp in Jenin, in Cisjordania,
and this incident occurred. Now, to finish, is
that one always tends, as Ingrid says, to lengthen
in this, because it is a conflict of many years
and of much injustice. Simply to finish, just
to say that This peace agreement that Netanyahu
and Trump say is very similar to what Joe Biden
did on June 1st of last year, which responded
to the demand from South Africa, which, by the
way, Mexico signed with Chile, to condemn genocide
in the Gaza Strip. On June 1st, Joe Biden reacts
to that and says, I have a peace agreement. And
he proposes more or less the same thing that
Donald Trump and Netanyahu are proposing right
now. That time, the difference was two things,
let's say. That they were responding to that,
now they are responding, according to me, except
for your best opinion, they are responding to
Gustavo Petro's proposal, the president of Colombia,
to do... an army that frees Gaza, considering
that the Security Council does not allow it.
And I think, let's say, that the other thing
that has changed a lot is the perception of the
public, of the people in the world, about what
this conflict is about. It is already very clear
that it is a genocide, that it is against children,
that it is against women, that it is against
civilians. They have been used, and that is why
they talk so much about amputations. They have
been used, it is very forbidden by the Geneva
Conventions to use powerful military weapons
against the civilian population. And that is
why it is being talked about in the UN medical
report, it is being talked about amputations.
Yes, about the peace agreement. I agree on many
points, but I think, in addition to everything,
two points seem totally immoral to me. We cannot
be talking about the issue of a post -war government
in Gaza, which is one of the 20 points that proposes
this agreement, when people are being bombarded
in these moments, when people are being mutilated,
when children are being operated without anesthesia
in hospitals that have been bombarded. That,
on the one hand. The next point, which also seems
to me really terrifying, is the issue of... a
reconstruction, which is what they call it, a
reconstruction where private capitals enter that
allow viable commercial rents. I can't believe
what I'm reading when all this is happening,
when in these moments Israel is bombing clinics
for women, clinics specialized in births and
even fertility institutions so that no more Gazatis
are born, so that no more Palestinian citizens
are born. That is the broadest, most brutal and
most terrible definition of genocide. And so
we are talking about a reconstruction plan when
all this is happening, which reminds me a lot
of an author who has a book and a term called
Capitalism of Disaster, which is this, isn't
it? We are going to rebuild a country with totally
unfavorable conditions and society is going to
accept it, because at this moment it is going
to accept absolutely anything to stop this war.
And it doesn't stop reminding me of what the
United States has already done. in two very transcendental
moments. In 2003, with the Iraq issue, let's
remember that after Saddam Hussein's fall, this
provisional coalition authority, which was what
it was called, headed by several countries, but
among them by the United States, delivered multimillion
-dollar reconstruction contracts to American
companies that had wide political ties. That
was in 2003. We have the case of Afghanistan
between 2001 and 2021, that is, very recently,
where... There have been reports of how, after
the fall of the Taliban regime, these national
reconstruction projects were promoted, which
really channeled... contratistas militares y
empresas de infraestructura estadounidense a
esta supuesta reconstrucción que realmente no
terminó en reconstrucción. Se entregaron los
contratos y ni siquiera se iniciaron, ni mucho
menos se terminaron las obras en este país. Entonces
es la reconstrucción como negocio. A lo largo
de los años han ido saliendo grandes nombres
para que la gente empiece a ponerlas en el radar
porque probablemente las estaremos viendo en
este proyecto y estamos hablando de empresas
como Bechetel, como Dincorp, como Blackwater.
these great transnationals that have turned post
-war into a multimillion -dollar market. That's
why I think it's a tragedy what we're seeing
right now. Why? Because we're not just seeing
colonialist plans that are going to leave the
Palestinians out of these negotiating tables.
It's already started to leak in some media in
Europe, more or less, how it's going to be conformed.
And it's said that there won't be in the panel,
not even three Palestinians, that we don't know
how they're going to be elected so far. Tony
Blair is going to be there. Tony Blair is going
to be there. this government that we're talking
about, the post -war government in Gaza, for
its supposed experience in other conflicts. But
if he was the one who supported the weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq, the invasion of Iraq,
of course. For that Trump experience, he chose
it. That's the issue. He has a curriculum. So,
well, this reconstruction really only seeks,
as Ingrid mentioned, to take advantage of these
natural resources that have not been able to
be used by the entire historical context of the
genocide in palestine no que ya sabemos que también
en esta franja hay grandes yacimientos de gas
que trump justo ya hablado de ellos no entonces
se repite el mismo patrón y perdón yo quisiera
nada más comentar un par de un par de cosas por
un lado a mí me llama la atención que una de
las naciones que encabeza la otan la organización
internacional que más enfocado está en promover
la guerra como ese Estados Unidos sea quien esté
proponiendo un... agreement that they call peace,
which we are seeing that it is not such. In reality,
it is to terminate the annihilation and colonization
of the territory that occupies the population
in that part of the Palestinian territory, which
is the Gaza Strip, because as Fabrizio said,
this is Jordan too. So I think we should question
that guerrilla posture of the OTAN. It is the
OTAN that has promoted the conflicts in Gaza,
as in Ukraine, and as in many other places. and
then they go and paint themselves and say, ah,
we are for peace, but they do not stop selling
weapons to Israel, etc. The other thing about
the reconstruction that you mentioned, Lau, Besalel
Esmotrich, the Israeli Minister of Finance, a
couple of weeks ago said very clearly, the plan
and the reconstruction proposal in the Gaza Strip
is super good. It has two phases, one that is
the bombing, that is, the demolition. of the
whole city of Gaza, and the second part, which
would be the part of the reconstruction as such.
And Besalel Smotrich said, we have already completed
the first phase. O sea, en esta nueva ofensiva
que hay, porque recordemos que hay una ofensiva
más fuerte desde hace tres, cuatro semanas, ¿no?
Aproximadamente en la ciudad de Gaza. Que ya
no es aérea, sino por tierra. Ya es por tierra,
exacto, ¿no? Por aire, mar y tierra. Exacto.
Bueno, por los tres, exacto. Entonces dicen,
ya cumplimos la primera fase de demolición. Estamos
como que terminando detalles, ¿no? Como la ciudad
de Gaza. Y podemos iniciar la segunda parte.
O sea, es un plan. O sea, digamos que lo que
quiero... to say with this is that it is not
only because sometimes it tends to say it is
that Netanyahu is crazy, etc., right? That yes,
but it is a plan, let's say, like that, planned,
very organized with the objective. It is a plan
of extermination. But if today he said it openly.
It is that they say it openly now. Yes, yes,
yes. That is the problem. They always have said
it. They seem crazy precisely because we are
seeing Auschwitz live. That is, what we are seeing
and listening to is the genocide and the annihilation
of a population, live. And they say it with words.
of the truth, let's say, because that's what
they want to do. Last week, Fabrizio, Netanyahu
threatened and said that now they were going
to make absolutely all the traditional media
in the world and social networks to start distributing
their content that he considers unequal. Well,
they also invested millions in propaganda in
all social networks. To launch a campaign. in
which they disguise genocide as the opposite.
They say they are feeding the Gaza population.
They say they are taking care of them. They say
they are delivering the help as agreed, the necessary
quantities of calories for each person. But if
it has not come, it is the fault of the Hamas
group. That's what they say. It seems something,
let's say, it is indignant for all these testimonies
that we have heard, childhoods, whose parents
are murdered in front of them, and we talk about
the general conditions, testimonies of medical
personnel saying... It's a game for the soldiers,
right? One day there were children with shots
in the testicles, another day in the head. There
was, let's say, a very clear pattern that tells
us about a cruelty that goes beyond any understanding,
right? Luisa, today they killed two children.
Today they killed two children accused of espionage.
Yes, two children killed in terror between men,
adults, armed, because they also know what awaits
them, this systemic torture also against adolescents
who are detained in Cisjordania and Gaza and
are taken arbitrarily to prisons. In short, if
this were not enough to indignate us, There is
another part of the conversation that we would
have to put on the table, which is, today very
clearly paraphrasing, they said, this is what
happens to those who do not align with us. You
are on our side and with our interests, perfect.
They quoted the Bible, Trump has been our best
friend, said Netanyahu, and if not, this is what
is going to happen. And they talked not only
about Gaza, they have also bombarded all the
countries around, Lebanon and other countries,
but this is what is going to happen to those
who do not align with our colonialist interests.
So, yes, it is a threat to Palestine, it is a
threat to the Middle East, but it is a threat
of a semi -fascist axis conforming in the world
as well. That is what we should alert everyone.
There are no scruples, there are no limits, there
are no consequences. in the hands of these men
that we saw today. Yes, that's exactly what Ambassador
Nadia Rashid told us. What's going to happen?
Nothing. Israel is going to continue doing this
because no one has been able to stop it. There
has not been a political way, there has not been
an administrative way, there has been nothing
to be able to stop it. So, it's being seen...
that with the support of the United States, the
situation has worsened in recent months. In the
last few weeks, what Ingrid was saying, this
operation that is taking place in the city of
Gaza, which has displaced a million people in
the most tetric way possible, forcing them to
leave, sometimes without anything, and also killing
them on the way. Telling them that there are
safe zones with papers that they throw from planes
that then bomb. That have never been safe. And
as Fabricio said, we are witnessing a genocide
in real time. We see it all the time. If it weren't
for the Palestinian journalists, and who are
also murdered and persecuted. Now, if it's a
different moment, we see it in the musical scenario,
we see it with actors and actresses in festivals,
we see it now in the United Nations. If there
is a moment of condemnation, For a long time,
the political cost was too high that anyone could
criticize it because there was automatically
a campaign to say that it was an issue against
the Jewish population instead of against a political
regime. And in no way is the first thing, but
the second. Today is another moment, don't you
think? Yes, we already saw countries like Canada,
Great Britain, France, Spain, Italy. Italy, what
about Italy seems remarkable to me. What about
the fleet? Yes, but Italy seems remarkable to
me. I mean, the flotilla comes, Sumud, where,
by the way, there are several Mexicans, including
Ernesto Ledesma from Rompimiento. Arlín Medrano,
too. Arlín Medrano and other Mexicans. Well,
the flotilla comes with Greta Thurberg and Tiago
Ávila, etc. The Italians say, yes, we are going
to close the ports, the workers of the ports
say, we are going to close the ports that carry
weapons to Israel and we are going to monitor
the support of the Sumud fleet. And, well, they
have also annexed ships from Turkey, a ship from
Spain, and Greece, to help them in the delivery.
of an indispensable humanitarian aid, but also
to open a corridor to allow that aid to arrive,
because effectively, suddenly, the UN says we
have 600 trucks on the border, standing. Yes,
it is not a crisis, as it has been called. It
is not a crisis, they are not giving calories
to anyone, nor water, not even water, because
they have specifically attacked the water wells.
Because what it's about is an extermination,
that's what you have to understand, the difference.
It seems to me that many more people have understood
what it's about. When, from the beginning, two
years ago, I dared on the radio to say that there
was a genocide, well, the answer was absolutely
desolating to say that I was lying. And I showed
with evidence that where I was going or where
I could go, this thing that Netanyahu had already
done. in its first period, which, speaking of
dictators, lasted almost 10 years, in the first
period, now it is the second, of enlisting these
illegal settlements, in the already illegal by
itself since 1967, which is Gaza, Jordan, East
Jerusalem. the heights of the Golan, etc., to
list these illegal settlements as a spearhead
for the army to enter. And we have to say it,
with a lot of Jewish population rejecting this
policy in Netanyahu, in Mexico, in Israel, in
Europe, in all places. We have one block left,
we close this topic at the turn of the court.
Don't go. Sigue el contenido de Canal 11 y Canal
22. Thank you. Thank you. a response to that
proposal of these Latin American countries, the
response that Netanyahu and Trump give. We are
going to present this piece to you. I would like
to just make a small, a small very symbolic question.
When the participation of the president of the
Palestinian National Authority, Mahmoud Abbas,
please pay attention, in his flap he has a pin,
which is a key, which is the way in which they
claim, the Palestinians claim the demand to return
to the houses and places of those who were displaced.
Because that key represents the ability to open
the house in which they lived before they were
displaced from the Nakba in the 1970s. So, let's
go ahead with the piece. Please order in the
hall. Please order in the hall. Please order
in the hall and please be seated. For almost
two years, the genocide that Israel committed
against Palestine in the Gaza Strip was wanted
to be hidden. But it was in the General Assembly
No. 80 of the United Nations, the UN, where the
massacre took place. I want to see Netanyahu
and the responsible for the genocide against
the Palestinian people faced with an international
court of justice. If the recognition of the state
of Palestine is urgent, it is even more so that
there is a Palestinian people in the state that
we intend to recognize. And unfortunately, the
Palestinian people is being annihilated. That
is why I invite the nations of the world and
their peoples above all, as part of humanity,
to join armies and weapons. We must liberate
Palestine. In his intervention, Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the genocide
he was accused of and presumed the attacks of
Israel against other countries such as Lebanon,
Iran, Qatar, Yemen and even condemned those who
support Palestine. In fact, they reward the most
anti -Semites on Earth this week. The leaders
of France, Britain, Australia and Canada and
other countries unconditionally recognized the
Palestinian state. Although he was not present
due to the fact that the United States revoked
his visa, the president of the Palestinian National
Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, gave his speech remotely.
It is imperious that the war in Gaza be put to
an urgent end. Sin sorpresa, Donald Trump He
blamed Hamas for the situation in Gaza. He also
took the opportunity to launch himself against
climate change and migration. I must reiterate
that migration and the high cost of the so -called
green renewable energy is destroying a large
part of the free world, a large part of the planet.
The genocide in Gaza came out of the discussion
of the UN Assembly and reached the streets. The
Colombian president asked the United States and
Israel for a greater force to stop the attack
on the population. I ask all the soldiers of
the United States Army not to point their rifles
at humanity. Disobey the order of Trump. The
UN Assembly concluded, but an idea remained as
urgent. Stop genocide in Gaza. This is the participation
that we prepared, this compilation about how
the speeches were before the UN. A very important
issue is that, from my perspective, it had been
a long time since a UN assembly generated, or
rather did not generate, so many expectations.
It is an important issue. But what I was saying
before presenting the piece is very clear. Las
quedan muy claras los dos bandos y las posiciones
que hay en el mundo en torno al genocidio. Ya
no hay forma de decir, no sabíamos, porque como
decían, está siendo televisado en tiempo real.
Lo vemos en nuestros celulares cuando nos despertamos
y antes de dormir, como desde esa fuera del aire
uno ve al Yacyra para relajarse en la noche,
¿no? Lo estamos viendo todo el tiempo y están
muy claras esas posiciones y con esta propuesta
del llamado a acuerdo de... peace, which is rather
this agreement of recolonization. Well, it is
also very clear what is the historical plan of
Zionism as an ideological posture. That is very
important. It is not only a religious issue,
because he has also wanted to disguise it as
a religious issue. It is not such. It is a position
or it is an economic, political and ideological
plan that also, as you said, Luisa, will not
stop in the Gaza Strip. They have the aspiration
to reach other regions. In a way, they do. The
Israeli lobby in the world is one of the most
powerful. They have economic interests in practically
the whole world, economic agreements, academic
agreements, agreements of all kinds that not
only have not been finished, but in some cases
have even been strengthened. So it is something
very important to consider in that sense. And
well, the opposition of Gustavo Petro in this
assembly saying... Tenemos que hacer efectivo
porque nadie lo hace efectivo. Vayamos y hagamos
lo efectivo. Claro, él como es guerrillero no
sabe de eso. Entonces, pues me parece que es
muy clara esa posición. Carrar la espada, dice.
De Bolívar. De Bolívar. Otra vez, sí. To start
with this, it seems to me that many countries
are taking a historical step. I think they gave
it to recognize Palestine as a state. It does
not seem to me a simple diplomatic gesture because
it opens the way to several things. On the one
hand, the Palestinian people have the right to
exist. On the other hand, to govern and, most
importantly, to claim justice in international
courts. I think that for me is very important.
And it also breaks the narrative that Israel
has imposed throughout everything. Thank you
very much. pues no vale no si no hay sanciones
si no hay embargo de armas si no hay presión
diplomático real el genocidio va a continuar
y me parece que solo van a satisfacer certain
group of voters who are the ones who are interested
on the one hand and on the other, well, add a
movement that is getting bigger and bigger internationally
to come out in the press. So I think recognizing
Palestine is also an act of historical memory
since 1948. And now the challenge is going to
be to convert this recognition into material
actions such as humanitarian aid, international
protection and see what happens in the Inter
-American Criminal Court with the. So. Mexican
colleagues and from other countries because they
arrive safely and can deliver if not directly
in gaza at some point delivery of these foods
is made because let's remember that people are
dying for dozens for hundreds of hunger that
mothers cannot breastfeed not even their babies
and that is what is being carried out at the
moment by the brave Mexican delegation that is
about to arrive there but nothing is a note they
have raised that they do not go their objective
is not to disembark in the Gaza Strip, but to
stay at some point in the sea and through contacts
to make the delivery. They are not thinking about
arriving directly to Earth. But the direct delivery,
because if Israel says no, give it to us, we
distribute it. Yes, well, I would like to close
with one thing that makes me very important that
our audience has it in their sights, which is
that there is a kind of I don't know, there's
a lot of bad information that says that Mexico
has done nothing in this conflict, the genocide
of Gaza. And I want to read very quickly what
has been done, what has been done since it started
two years ago, this genocide. In 2024, do you
remember, Mexico and Chile joined the demand
of South Africa to consider genocide to what
is happening in the Gaza Strip. In 2024, Mexico
also voted in favor of the Palestinian right
as a member of the UN. On March 19, 2025... already
with the government of Claudia Sheinbaum, you
receive the credit cards of whom you interviewed,
of Ashley Rashid, who is the first ambassador
as such in Mexico, which I find this matter fundamental.
In July 2025, Mexico coordinates the Conference
of the Solution of the Two States, which is part
of a political declaration that is approved on
September 12, 2025 in the UN. On August 23, 2025,
the Secretary of Foreign Relations makes a call.
urgent to the UN to allow the passage of humanitarian
aid before the declaration of famine. Since May,
Mexico had gone to the International Court of
Justice to protest because hunger and thirst
are not a method of war. On September 5, 2025,
the Secretary of Foreign Relations makes a call
to Israel. so that the rights of Mexicans in
the ZUMUT fleet that we were talking about a
moment ago are guaranteed. And finally, I would
like to say something that I thought I didn't
know, and now I'm looking for it. Since May 24,
2025, Mexico manages to reunite 18 people from
the AED family. who were in the Gaza Strip, living
in the occupation, those 18 members are reunified
in Mexico and they are given the status of refugees.
I think that solution is very important for Mexico.
Yes, to close, also, yes, precisely these measures
that Mexico has taken and that have been appreciated
both by the Palestinians, as we saw in the note,
as the diplomatic part of the ambassador, and
they have been important, they have opened the
way for this call to be made from places like
the UN. It is important to note that what the
President just said about the recognition of
the two states, I also find it very important,
President Claudia Schimann. and also to reiterate
in another sense the call they have made on the
fleet to follow them. They have highlighted that
they are already at a very difficult point, very
difficult in which they could already be detained
by Israel and it worries the way in which they
can be detained, in how they can be treated,
we commented. because they have been called terrorists.
So that is also a concern. And well, this right
to exist that the Palestinians are asking for.
and that they should not ask for it, they should
have it. They should have this right to exist
freely in the world, said the ambassador, not
only within the West Bank or the Gaza Strip,
but from all over the world. All Palestinians
who are in the world should be able to exist
freely. And to close, we are waiting for the
response of the Hamas group. to this ultimatum
that President Donald Trump made today to know
if they accept or not the peace agreement. As
far as we knew, they were talking about it, they
were studying it, but they had not given any
answer. The Palestinian Authority said yes, that
they agreed, but if they never accept it... There
is no other way. It is assumed that they have
less than 70 hours to respond. And to close,
I would just ask that we do not allow the population
of Gaza to be responsible for its fate, if it
never accepts this conditioning for the high
to the fire, which I refuse to call peace agreement,
because it is precisely what you said, the capitalism
of the disaster, that is, the business with the
tragedy that you caused. So, let's say, let's
not allow that if it is not accepted, they say,
ah, well, it was offered to them and they did
not accept it, because the original problem is
that a genocide is being committed. It is that
for all that you mention, I think it makes no
sense to call it a peace agreement, because the
people have the right to exist and self -govern
themselves, which is what we were talking about.
So, how is it going to be possible for foreign
actors to come to try to decide? I mean, that
is not recognizing the Palestinian state. Sorry,
very quickly, I think it is very serious, because
if you agree, if you never accept the peace agreement,
would be a tragic issue for the Palestinian population
in the future, right? I mean, it would be their
complete suggestion. And if they don't accept
it, too. I mean, it's a very complicated, very
complex situation that cannot be said at all,
as it is their responsibility not to accept it.
Well, I think a good point to take us to task
is just to understand where the power of Israel
lies, that is, why they can do in broad daylight
on our 24 -7 cell phones what they are doing.
We are leaving with messages from people who
do us the favor. Luis Fer, buenas noches. Maciosare,
¿creen que Trump hace esto porque verdaderamente
cree que podría ser premio Nobel de la Paz a
pesar de atentar contra derechos de migrantes?
Gracias, Luis. David Urquiza M., how is it possible
that the world has been dehumanized so much?
And Marco Antonio Cruz tells us, of course, also
all my solidarity and support to the Palestinian
people, the genocide is condemned. Well, there
are some... Ay, Rocio Valores, it is an incoherence
that Israel says to be the people of God and
the United States talks a lot about the Bible
and they are doing this to thousands of children
and women. Thank you very much. Fernando Avila,
the plan of razed land is what is being applied
in Palestine. Historically, it has always been
like this. Let's remember Tenochtitlan. It was
the same cruelty and more cruelty. Well, with
that we close. Thank you very much for joining
us. As we said, this is far from being the end
of the topic. We also recommend just another
program that we did about Palestine, about Israel,
about Iran, about precisely this escalation of
violence in the first season of Masiosare, because
there we explain precisely the colonialist project,
how the territory has been reconfigured and what
could happen if it is done. in these conditions
that these two powers are imposing, the United
States and Israel, not only for the Palestinian
people, but for all international pacts. It is
imposing itself via violence, via brutality.
With that, we say goodbye. Thank you very much
and until next time. Thank you.