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Hello everybody, welcome back to the podcast.

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Today I wanted to do something a little different, something a little more light hearted, sort

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of just for fun, sort of maybe even a distraction episode.

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So if you're having like a hard time right now or you need something to listen to while

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you're doing anything, I guess this could be for you.

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So I wanted to talk about some questions that people without a metaphobia would have for

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someone that does.

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So this can be questions, this is going to be questions I've either heard before from

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other people or some questions that I assumed they would ask that I would ask a person with

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a metaphobia if I didn't have it.

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So yeah, just a light hearted one today just for a bit of fun, that's all.

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So question number one, why are you so scared of throwing up?

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Everybody hates it, but it's not that bad.

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So for a lot of us, it's not so much about the act itself, it's more about the control

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factor.

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A lot of us have issues with control, whether that stems from, you know what, it could stem

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from anything, it's too much to go into.

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But it's a lot about control and for me especially, I know that and I know for a lot of other

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people I can't comment for everybody, but most of the time it is a control thing.

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It's also, there is a level of disgust, which is pretty obvious, like no one likes it obviously,

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common thing we always hear.

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But yeah, it's pretty disturbing, there's also the fear of it not stopping, I've heard

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people talk about.

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For me personally, it's actually the nausea that gets me the most.

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I'm not afraid of the act itself, I'd be fine with just the act itself, but the nausea leading

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up to that is the part that I fear the most.

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And I assume a lot of other people probably feel that way as well, because nausea sucks,

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no one likes being nauseous.

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Like you get, you feel so gross that you can't move or take a step or drink water and you

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go pale and it's just horrible man, it's a horrible feeling.

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But it does stem a lot deeper than just being disgusting or just a control thing, like there

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is a lot of roots in it.

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So yeah.

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Alright, question number two.

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Did you always have a metaphobia or did something trigger it?

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So for a lot of us from what I've seen, it's something that we are sort of almost born

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with.

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I like to think of that for myself.

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I was always pretty predisposed to an anxious lifestyle when I was young.

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And I did develop a lot of anxiety when I was about nine years old.

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At the time didn't know what it was, blah, blah, blah, long story short.

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But I always had the symptoms and the signs of a metaphobia.

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And looking back on my life from an adults and educated perspective on this phobia, I

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can see that I did have it.

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It didn't sort of show itself for a long time.

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It did in very small hints.

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I was always pretty afraid of it, but I never knew why.

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And I was pretty young, so it was just like, whatever.

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And I didn't have any tools at my disposal to sort of stop it.

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So it was just something that happened.

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And I remember hiding it a lot from family members.

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So no one ever knew that I was sick if I was, because I thought I needed to hide it.

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I don't know why.

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I think it might be like a health anxiety thing.

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Like my sister was pretty sick when I was young and she would always have to go to the

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hospital a lot.

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Every time she got sick, especially, it was a pretty panicky thing.

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And the whole family would sort of go on a bit of a tornado.

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It would be like a real bad situation if she was sick in that way.

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So I think I might have got it from there, but I don't really know.

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I think, yeah, for a lot of us, we are sort of almost born with it.

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And it's something that develops really early on, but may not come through the surface until

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later on in life.

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All right.

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Question number three.

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Does your fear make you avoid certain places or foods?

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And absolutely, yes.

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I know for instance, for example, if a restaurant would open, I would wait a couple of months

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before I go try there.

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Like a lot of people would be excited to go opening night, a couple of weeks after it's

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open, but I'll be waiting because I want to see those reviews.

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I have this curiosity and this OCD thing where I need to check those reviews before I go

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there.

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I feel like a lot of people do that as well.

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We also tend to avoid clubs, bars, anything that can sort of cause any type of anxiety

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or give us the opportunity to be sick, which unfortunately is a lot of places outside our

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comfort zone.

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But a lot of us are pretty good with it.

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We will tend to be able to stick through things like this and we will get more comfortable

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with them over time, but it just depends on the exposure and where we are with our phobia.

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But yeah, we do definitely avoid certain foods and certain places, especially fast food as

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That's another thing a lot of us avoid.

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It definitely gives us a lot of bloating and reflux and it's just not a great time.

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I still eat it and I regret it every time I do it, but probably going to continue doing

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that.

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So yeah.

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All right, next question.

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How do you handle being around drunk people or kids since they throw up a lot?

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So for me, I don't have that much experience with drunk people or children, which is kind

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of good.

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I know when I was in school, at least, it was pretty scary a lot of the time because

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a lot of kids around me were sick and I didn't know what I was really afraid of at the time,

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but I knew I was afraid of something and it would always give me a massive panic attack

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sort of thing.

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I'd always freak out.

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But thankfully that ended, obviously when school ended.

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But drunk people, usually I'm pretty good around drunk people because I know what the reason

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is why they're sick.

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I know they're probably going to be sick.

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I usually refuse to take them anywhere just because I'm like, unless I'm using your car,

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I'm not having you throwing up in my backseat.

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So I had that happen recently with a friend, not recently, maybe a year ago now, but I

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had it happen with a friend.

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I picked them up and we have a sense for this type of thing.

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I looked at them about 10 minutes before anything happened.

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I knew before they knew that they were a bit too far gone.

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It was a really scary experience.

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I got to pull over really fast.

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It was horrible.

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I still drove them home.

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Obviously I wanted to get my friend home safe.

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I wasn't going to leave them there.

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I definitely wanted to.

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But a lot of us, we tend to be pretty caring.

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We will try to do our best to look after those around us who are maybe a bit too drunk, but

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it definitely makes it hard with a phobia like this.

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It's good to have an understanding that we are trying our best.

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Next one, have you ever actually been sick or is it just a fear of it happening?

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So that's a rough one.

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That's a tough one to answer.

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It's about 50-50 I'd say.

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A lot of us have had experience throwing up in the past.

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A lot of us have come close to it, very close to it.

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We also probably haven't done it in five plus years most of the time.

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At least for me it's been a couple of years now.

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I've had pretty much the whole cycle of it happening without it actually happening.

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I've had the intense nausea, I've had the gagging, I've had the sweats, I've had everything

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besides the actual act of it for a couple of years now.

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It's been pretty traumatic when that sort of stuff happens.

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I know for myself, once I've sat with that nausea and those feelings for a while, I sort

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of just want it to be over and I kind of get over my anxiety and it'll end and then I'll

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just be waiting.

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But it's so frustrating when it doesn't happen because you finally summon all the strength

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you have to deal with this thing and it doesn't actually happen.

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It's a little disappointing.

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But at the end of the day, most of us, pretty much all of us have been sick in our life

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at least one point and we all have definitely come very close to it during our journey with

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our phobia.

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It's a pretty terrifying thing.

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It can really feel like a massive setback but just know that it does happen sometimes

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and it doesn't define your progress.

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So yeah.

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Alright, now what does a panic attack feel like within this phobia?

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A normal panic attack I guess.

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For me at least.

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I've never really had a panic attack that hasn't had something to do with emetophobia

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so I don't know but I'm going to assume that it feels very similar.

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For me, it starts as sort of a... the breathing.

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My breathing will get shallower.

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I won't be able to take as many deep breaths, my heart will start racing.

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I'll start feeling either really hot or really cold.

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It sort of fluctuates which one it is.

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I start to not be able to think clearly.

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My vision will sort of be a bit tunnel-y.

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Just a touch.

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Nothing too bad with the vision but it definitely gets a little iffy.

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My legs start to feel like jelly but also I could run a thousand miles without fucking

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any breaks.

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And the intense heat waves of nausea.

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It's like heat going through your chest to your stomach or vice versa for me.

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It's a really bad symptom of the panic attacks and it happens multiple times.

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You sort of have the waves of it.

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I'm pretty sure everyone would know the waves of the panic and the nausea that you would

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It's an awful, awful fucking feeling.

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But like with any sort of panic attack, with the right sort of coping strategies and a

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lot of practice, you can minimise the effects and the symptoms of that.

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It takes a lot of effort though and sometimes you just lose a bit of control and sometimes

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it just happens.

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It's just what it is.

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They generally don't last too long.

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While panic attacks themselves last about ten minutes, the symptoms can last a few hours.

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So just remember that if you are having a panic attack, the symptoms are going to be

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probably sticking around a little longer.

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Nothing to worry about and you may feel a little bit weird afterwards but it's okay

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though.

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It happens.

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It's normal to feel that way.

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For me especially sometimes it takes me a whole day to sort of get back to normal but

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you sort of get used to it as sad as that is.

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Alright moving on to the next one is does therapy or exposure therapy actually help?

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Yes to both.

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Exposure therapy has proven to be one of the most effective things for a phobia like this.

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Doing it through a therapist, counselor or whatever is the best way to do it.

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You can do exposure therapy on your own.

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You do have to have sort of the willpower, the dedication to do it.

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It's going to be uncomfortable.

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It's going to be, it's going to probably set off some panic attacks.

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It's not going to be a fun time and it's going to take months.

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But each exposure you get closer to the goal of not being so afraid.

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Is it going to solve all your problems?

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Probably not but it will put you in a place where you are a lot more comfortable with

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something that no one really can be comfortable with.

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It's sort of difficult in that way specifically for dysphobia because no one likes to be sick.

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So the therapy especially it's good to get a lot of things off your chest just in general

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but it helps me a lot with the phobia.

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I always use the drop in services and I speak to my therapist once a fortnight, once every

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month depends on how booked.

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But I find it helps a lot.

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I haven't had any bad experiences yet.

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I actually feel really good after I get all that sort of stuff off my chest.

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It's just good to sort of unload and it gives me some sort of healthier coping strategies

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and some insight into things that I may not have had before.

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So yeah.

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Alright, next is how can I support someone with a metaphobia?

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So if you know someone with a metaphobia or a close family member, partner, friend, the

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best way you can support them is don't say something first of all like oh you know I

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don't like being sick either.

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No one likes it.

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Don't assume it's just about not liking.

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For us it's very deep.

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It's on a very much deeper level than just not liking it because no one likes it truth

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be told.

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Also, being patient with us is something that really helps.

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We do need a lot of patience especially when we're on a proper healing journey.

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We will have setbacks.

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We will have days where we want to give up like any other healing process from something

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like this.

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We'll have really hard days.

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We'll have really good days.

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Some days we might be able to do things with you.

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Some days we might not be able to.

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It's hard for us to go far away from home.

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It's hard for us to leave home sometimes just in general.

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So you might not understand that, why it would be difficult but just trusting that we are

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trying our hardest and these things are very real to us is probably the best way you can

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support us.

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And also probably maybe not trying to put us in positions where we may be exposed to

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things like that if we really aren't ready for it.

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If you know that we're going to a party and someone, for instance, probably a bad example

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but if we're going to a party or something and there's someone there that you know is

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just going to get sick by the end of the night and we are going to see that.

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Maybe either let us know, give us a heads up or I don't know, don't bring us I guess

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but it's definitely just best to ask us questions.

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Let us express ourselves.

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Just be supportive.

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I know it can be difficult to support someone that has this phobia.

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On the other end it's very hard to understand these things.

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It's very hard to sort of just go along with the flow, the really inconsistent sort of

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ways we are in friendships and relationships.

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But yeah, just patience is the biggest one for sure.

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For me definitely patience is.

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Last one is, does this phobia affect your daily life in ways people wouldn't expect?

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Yes, it does.

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So for example, a lot of us have or have had issues with doing things like, basic things

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like I know I get a little claustrophobic when I'm sort of in a metaphobic mood like

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I'm a little bit anxious, something like, hey it's just not sitting right, I just feel

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a little bit sick but not too bad.

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Like going to the toilet and being stuck in that little box room or like having a shower

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or just even going outside, just anywhere that's not your exact comfortable position

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is hard when you're in a certain way.

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Standing in lines places like supermarkets or like at a, I don't know, getting your

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license renewed or whatever the fuck, I don't know but like standing in lines is hard.

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It makes going to bars and clubs hard, it makes having like a social life hard in general,

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makes just a basic thing that everybody does is go into lunch with your friends or family.

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That's really hard for us.

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It's really hard for us to do that because we don't know who's cooking that, we don't

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know what it is, we never know fully if it's, we didn't get to like be back there and watch

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them so like we don't know.

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There's a lot of unknown with it.

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Riding in cars with people, not being the driver, public transport, I could go on forever.

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It makes a lot of weird things difficult or things that people might see as weird to do

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but a lot of us get by.

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We have our coping skills, we have our strategies to keep calm, we have our ways we do keep

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calm, we have a lot of things helping us and we usually have a lot of really good support.

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I think the Metaphobic community is probably one of the most supportive communities I've

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ever seen because we all know what it's like to be in a panic and think that you're, you

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know, it's over, it's game over and usually if you need the help and you ask for it, you

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will receive it.

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So I'm very thankful to be a part of like sort of a really supportive community rather

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than a not so supportive one.

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But yeah, I hope this was a decent distraction for you, I hope you maybe learned something,

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I hope if you don't have a Metaphobia and you somehow found this, it gave you a little

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better understanding.

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I may do a part two for this so if you have any questions that you think would fit this

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sort of thing, leave them in the comments, hit me up on my socials, I don't know, do

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whatever you want.

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Leave a rating or a review if you feel like you enjoyed this or don't, if you didn't,

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do whatever you want.

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But until then, I hope you're having a good day or a good night, I hope your Metaphobia

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journey is going well and I will see you in the next episode.

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See ya!