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Welcome to the Kingdom Family Podcast, where

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we rediscover our identity as sons and daughters

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of Yahweh and learn to live the life of the Kingdom.

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Let's jump in to today's episode. All right,

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guys, welcome back for another week of rethinking

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hell. This week, we're going to be talking about

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the lake of fire and kind of what does it actually

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mean? because the lake of fire is not the triumph

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of wrath. It is the final defeat of death. Last

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week, we kind of explored the meaning of judgment

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and saw that biblical judgment is not revenge,

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but more along the lines of restoration. So a

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thought to wrestle with before we kick this one

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off is what if the lake of fire is not about

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God tormenting humanity? but about God destroying

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death itself. Just a thought to consider as we

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begin to dive into this. And so as we do this,

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I want you to think about the rethinking end

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time series that we did and remember what we

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learned about the book of Revelation. That it

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is full of symbols when it talks about beasts,

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dragons, horns, crowns. cities, all these different

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things, there is a lot of symbolic language.

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And the problem is if we read symbolic language

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as literal language, we misunderstand the message

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entirely. And so if you think back to the revelation

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discussion about what do these symbols mean,

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if you remember, we discussed and you can go

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back and listen to this. We discussed beast equals

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empires, horns would equal rulers, fire would

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equal judgment, and different things of that

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nature. But if you look at Revelation chapter

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20 verse 14, it says this, then death and the

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realm of the dead were cast into the lake of

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fire. for the lake of fire is the second death.

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So I want you to notice something about this

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is that death and Hades is that word there. One

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of those words for hell. The realm of the dead

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is what it is. Death and the realm of the dead

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are both thrown into the fire. So now we have

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to ask ourselves a very real and genuine question.

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Are death and Hades people? And the answer to

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that question is no they are enemies they are

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concepts they are forces the lake of fire is

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about destroying what destroys humanity think

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about that let's look at um first corinthians

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chapter 15 verse 26 and it says and the last

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enemy to be subdued and eliminated is death itself

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so the final enemy is not people the final enemy

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is death All right, we can look at Isaiah chapter

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25 verse 8 in the passion translation. It says

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it is the gloom of death He will swallow it up

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in victory forever and God Lord Yahweh will wipe

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away every tear from every face I'm just looking

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here to see there's some notes on that verse

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I don't believe any of those are important for

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this conversation at the moment, but so let's

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read that again It is the gloom of death, he

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will swallow it up in victory forever and God,

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Lord Yahweh will wipe away every tear from every

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face. So the lake of fire is the image of death

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that is being swallowed. It has absolute zero

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to do with human endlessly burning, with humanity

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burning. the wicked burn none of that it has

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nothing to do with humans endlessly burning it

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is death that is ending all right let's look

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at some other scriptures here let's look at first

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corinthians chapter 15 and we're going to read

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verses 54 through 58 and it says this then when

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our dying bodies have been transformed into bodies

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that will never die This scripture will be fulfilled.

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Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where

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is your victory? O death, where is your sting?

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For sin is the sting that results in death, and

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the law gives sin its power. But thank God. He

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gives us victory over sin and death through our

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Lord Jesus Christ. So my dear brothers and sisters,

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be strong and be movable. Always work enthusiastically

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for the Lord, for you know that nothing you do

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for the Lord is ever useless." I'm going to read

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those same verses in the mirror paraphrase. It

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says, Your victory is not a maybe because of

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the magnanimous doing of Jesus Christ. It is

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a given. For this reason, you can afford to be

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absolutely settled and rock solid and face persuasion

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and always ready to go beyond where you would

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have gone before. Your doing now is inspired

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by your knowing that you are in Him. If His resurrection

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is yours, then His victory over sin and death

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is equally yours. My friend, because we are included

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in that finished work of Christ, His resurrection

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is our resurrection. His victory is our victory.

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So when I believe it's Paul that tells us in

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Colossians that Jesus has removed the power of

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guilt, sin, and shame, He didn't just remove

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that from Himself. You can walk in that victory

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just as much. And that's good news. Here's another

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long scripture we're going to read. We're going

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to read Hebrews chapter 2. I'm going to start

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in verse 7, and we're going to read several verses

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here, but I think it's important as we're talking

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about this. It says, It seems that man briefly

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descended to a less elevated place than Elohim,

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yet he is crowned with God's own glory and dignity

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and appointed in a position of authority over

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all the works of his hands. God's intention was

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that human life should rule the planet. He subjected

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everything without exception to His control.

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Yet looking at the human race, it does not seem

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that way at all. Verse 9, But what is apparent

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is Jesus. Let us then consider Him in such a

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way that we may clearly perceive what God is

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saying to mankind in Him. In the death that he

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suffered, he briefly descended to a seemingly

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less elevated place in Elohim in order to taste

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the death of the entire human race. And in doing

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so, to fulfill the grace of God and to be crowned

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again as a man representing all of mankind with

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glory and highly esteemed honor. He towers in

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conspicuous prominence far above all things.

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He is worthier author and their conclusion. All

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things exist in him and through him he now triumphantly

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leads everyone as sons to glory through a perfect

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salvation. The extent of the suffering he bore

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is the measure of the perfection of the salvation

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over which he presides. Because both he who carried

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out the rescue mission as well as those he saved

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and restored to innocence, which is us, you and

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I, originate from the same source. Therefore,

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he is not ashamed to introduce each and every

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one individually as his siblings. He says, I

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will reveal your name to my brothers and sisters,

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their own in this great family reunion. I will

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celebrate you in song. I will rest my confident

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trust in him. I am surrounded by the children

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whose God has given whose which God has given

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me. I am one of them. The fact that the children

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are flesh and blood beings by design Explains

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the incarnation in the genius of God the word

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was always destined to become flesh He lived

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and died in a body as fully human as ours Dying

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our death was his doorway into our deepest fears

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He thus disengaged the dominion of the death

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that trapped the human race in a fallen mindset

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As a fellow human, he redefined death and delivered

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them from the lifelong dread of death. Last part

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here. This is why it is so relevant to understand

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that Jesus did not arrive on the planet in a

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celestial form. He is the seed of Abraham. He

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therefore completely assimilated every detail

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of this human family so that as chief priests

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standing face to face before God, his compassion

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and unwavering faith would prevail effectively

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over the lies that they believed about themselves.

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having fully accomplished their at -one -ment.

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He experienced mankind's temptation with the

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same intensity and under the same scrutiny and

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powerfully represents them with immediate effect.

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So Christ defeated all of this. Understand, I

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tell our group this all the time, that prepositional

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words are important. He didn't just defeat this

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for us. Christ defeated death as us. We are now

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one with Him. Whatever He did, we were mystically

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included in the finished work of the person of

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Christ. So when He defeated death, He was not

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just doing this for us. He was doing this as

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you and I. So what is the point of this? Death

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has effectively been defeated and it's going

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to be destroyed in the lake of fire. That's important

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for us to understand that death and Hades again

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Hades often translated into hell is going to

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be destroyed in this lake of fire All right,

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let's move on. Let's look at Revelation chapter

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21 And we're just going to read verses 1 through

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5 It says then I saw a new heaven a new earth

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for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared

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and the sea was also gone and I saw the holy

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city the new Jerusalem Coming down from God out

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of heaven like a bride dressed for her husband

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I heard a loud shout from the throne saying look

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God's home is now among his people He will live

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with them and they will be his people God himself

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will be with them He will wipe away every tear

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from their eyes and there will be no more death

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or sorrow or crying or pain all these things

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are gone forever. And the one sitting on the

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throne said, look, I am making everything new.

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And then he said to me, write this down for what

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I tell you is trustworthy and true. Verse three

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in the mirror says in a glorious announcement

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was Harold, Harold, excuse me, heralded. out

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of the throne behold God's tabernacle is with

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humanity he has taken up permanent residence

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in human skin to be with them and the closest

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possible associate of oneness they are his own

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possession his tribe and he is their God inseparably

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pay attention to the language here I love this

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inseparably entwined with them so after the lake

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of fire in Revelation chapter 20 we have this

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in Revelation chapter 21 and what appears but

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a new creation not eternal chaos it's not endless

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torment but this is renewal so fire is not the

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end of the story restoration is okay let's look

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at this Revelation chapter 20 verse 14 says then

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death and Hades the realm of the dead were cast

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into the lake of fire for the lake of fire is

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the second death so let's talk let's take that

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verse again and go look at what is death ask

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yourself what is death death is simply the separation

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from life death is destroyed in the fire pay

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attention to the language it's destroyed why

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does that matter because so many people were

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taught to fear this lake of fire. But what if

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the lake of fire is not the terror of humanity,

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but it's the triumph of God's victory? What if

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the fire that you feared is actually the fire

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that removes that which is destroying you? That's

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something for us really to wrestle with and to

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consider. when we're discussing this lake of

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fire because it's in this lake of fire that death

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in hades is destroyed so okay here's another

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question just to consider if hell is supposed

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to be eternal because again The word Hades go

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back to the beginning of this series and we discussed

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Hades, Sheol, Gehenna, and Tartarus. All four

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of those words translated into our English word

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hell. Hades and Sheol were... Let's see, let

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me think here. Sheol would have been the Hebrew

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version. Hades would be its sister word, I guess,

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in the Greek. Both of them simply meaning the

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realm of the dead. But if that place is destroyed

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in this lake of fire, how can hell now be eternal

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if it is in fact destroyed with death in this

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lake of fire? Again, don't check your brain at

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the door. Learn to wrestle with these questions.

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Again, not important that you come to the same

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conclusion I have. That's not the purpose of

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this. My purpose here is to bring you a different

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viewpoint, a fresh set of eyes, if you will,

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and to give you hope in the situation and not

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to be what we've done in the Western world and

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use this as a manipulative terror tactic to get

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people to repeat a prayer so we can have more

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people praying the prayer. This is not supposed

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to be a manipulation game Again, if hell was

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as big a deal as we make it in the Western Church

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Then acts fails to do the job and quite frankly,

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so does the Christ so does Jesus Because he does

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you know, I've grew up hearing things I've grown

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up hearing things such as Jesus talked more about

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hell than he did anything and that simply not

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True. At all. Hear me very clearly. If you go

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and study this stuff, that is not his primary

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topic. So we have to stop and pause and learn

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to ask questions and wrestle with these thoughts.

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and really learn to have a more hopeful outlook

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in life and trust that the Holy Spirit is big

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enough to do what the Holy Spirit needs to accomplish.

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The Holy Spirit knows how to speak to you and

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I as one that is one with Him. He knows how to

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speak to us. He's not up there going, how do

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I speak to this child? He's one with you. You're

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one with Him. He knows how to get your attention.

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We've got to trust that the Holy Spirit is actually

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big enough to do the job that's been entrusted

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for the Holy Spirit to do and to bring the transformation

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within you and I. But yet, it's like I have said

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many, many times, we seem as the body of Christ,

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at least in the western part of the world, to

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have more faith in what Adam did than what Christ

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undid and what Christ completed. And I promise

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you one of those had a greater impact than the

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other one. And I will just let you wrestle which

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one had the greater impact. Something to really

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think about. So short episode this week. but

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it was about learning that the lake of fire is

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not some kind of celebration of punishment it

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is the destruction of death and if that's true

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which again I believe it is then death does not

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win and hell does not win but Christ does every

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single time it goes back to a saying I like to

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use light overcomes darkness 100 % of the time

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And another illustration I like to use is love

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overcomes evil 100 % of the time. It's like Jason

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Clark says from the Rethinking God with Tacos

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podcast, I challenge you, if you're listening

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to this, go look that podcast up and listen to

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the many different conversations on there. But

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a thing that Jason Clark says many times is love

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is the long game. Remember and I think we've

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discussed this before I really don't remember

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going back but Remember that the kingdom is like

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a seed and a seed takes time That's important

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for us to remember a seed takes time Love will

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overcome evil a hundred percent of the time,

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but love is also the long game We're not looking

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for instant movement in that moment It's a seed

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planted, it's a seed watered, and it's a seed

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beginning to grow. So I'm hoping that this is

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helping you to get a more hopeful outlook as

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we think about the topic of hell. It's not supposed,

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listen, anything that brings you fear or worry

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or anxiety, you have the responsibility to challenge

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that. Because perfect love comes to cast out

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all fear So perfect love is casting out all fear

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and something like this is bringing you fear

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wrestle that out Because it's not from God So

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my friends, I hope this week helped on discussing

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the lake of fire and what it actually Is doing

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it's destroying hell and it's destroying the

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the realm of the dead So I'm hoping this kind

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of help bring some clarity to that and about

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the second death and all that kind of stuff Next

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week. We're going to Look at something different

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on the concept of hell. So I will see you next

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week. Be blessed my friends Thanks for spending

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some time with me today on the kingdom family

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podcast if this episode spoke to you Take a moment

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to share it and help someone else rediscover

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their identity as a son or daughter of Yahweh.

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And don't forget, follow the podcast so you can

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stay connected with everything happening through

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loved, live free, and live from the life of the

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Kingdom.
