WEBVTT 00:00:02.630 --> 00:00:05.870 If you've been listening for a while, you may 00:00:05.870 --> 00:00:09.810 know this podcast has had a few names. It started 00:00:09.810 --> 00:00:14.529 with Metanoia Ministries, a call to rethink everything. 00:00:15.269 --> 00:00:18.829 Then it became Echoes of Eden, rediscovering 00:00:18.829 --> 00:00:22.449 the original design of humanity. But over time, 00:00:22.690 --> 00:00:25.850 something became clear. The heartbeat behind 00:00:25.850 --> 00:00:30.239 all of this is family, the family of God. the 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:33.880 restoration of sons and daughters. And that's 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:37.020 why everything is now moving under one banner, 00:00:37.700 --> 00:00:46.359 Kingdom Family Ministries. Hey guys, this will 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:52.399 be a different type of episode. If you're on 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:55.020 YouTube, there won't be no video this week. There's 00:00:55.020 --> 00:00:59.560 just going to be audio. but I am joined by my 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:02.939 wife this week. You can say hello to everybody. 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:10.159 So this episode will be a little bit different, 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:13.739 not with teaching, not doing Greek words and 00:01:13.739 --> 00:01:16.459 all that kind of stuff. But if you've been with 00:01:16.459 --> 00:01:18.620 me from the beginning, you know this podcast, 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:23.000 we started it with Metanoi Ministries and then 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:28.040 we shifted into Echoes of Eden. And today, we're 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:32.260 now stepping into, I guess, stepping fully into 00:01:32.260 --> 00:01:37.540 the new name, Kingdom Family Ministries. It just 00:01:37.540 --> 00:01:41.680 feels like the right time. But I wanted to share, 00:01:41.900 --> 00:01:45.239 and that's why I had my wife join me, I wanted 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:49.599 to share some of our journey and how we got to 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:53.340 this point. and we're not just changing names. 00:01:53.420 --> 00:01:55.799 I'm not just changing names to change names. 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:05.019 This just feels right, I guess I could say. Betanoia 00:02:05.019 --> 00:02:07.560 was about awakening. It's a renewing of the mind, 00:02:07.579 --> 00:02:11.000 a turning toward truth. It was about realizing 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:14.860 that repentance is not shame. It's not, I'm sorry, 00:02:15.340 --> 00:02:21.800 it's restoration. It's remembering. who you are, 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:26.039 that you're remembering whose you are. Echoes 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:29.759 of Eden was about remembering, remembering where 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:33.800 we came from, who we were before the fear and 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:36.639 distortion, before religion tried to define us. 00:02:37.500 --> 00:02:41.240 It was about going back to the beginning, essentially. 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:49.000 That was my real... I have two devotionals out. 00:02:49.259 --> 00:02:53.819 I have the one more geared toward men. But then 00:02:53.819 --> 00:02:58.560 I have my 30 day echoes of Eden. And that was 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:03.020 in a time frame where, and you can step in any 00:03:03.020 --> 00:03:08.360 time you want to. That was a time frame of when 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:14.379 I was really jealous and going after, I guess 00:03:14.379 --> 00:03:18.090 our origin. is what I want to say going back 00:03:18.090 --> 00:03:20.909 to the beginning how it was supposed to be in 00:03:20.909 --> 00:03:24.650 the garden and both of those names still matter 00:03:24.650 --> 00:03:28.430 I'm not discarding nothing nothing's being undone 00:03:28.430 --> 00:03:32.270 we're just in a point and I'm just in a point 00:03:32.270 --> 00:03:34.509 of where I'm trying to make everything simple 00:03:34.509 --> 00:03:38.210 and put everything under one heading and given 00:03:38.210 --> 00:03:42.069 where life has led us I feel like that time is 00:03:42.069 --> 00:03:46.590 or that name is kingdom family ministries Anything 00:03:46.590 --> 00:03:48.770 you wanna add over there before I keep going? 00:03:50.229 --> 00:03:54.669 I think that the Echoes of Eden was more of like 00:03:54.669 --> 00:03:59.069 a renewal period for you or for us, I guess I 00:03:59.069 --> 00:04:03.229 would say, but just trying to go back to the 00:04:03.229 --> 00:04:08.789 very beginning, foundationally. That makes sense. 00:04:11.210 --> 00:04:14.289 So in this episode I really want to share our 00:04:14.289 --> 00:04:18.629 story and what the future looks like as far as 00:04:18.629 --> 00:04:22.410 the podcast and transitioning over. We have launched, 00:04:22.790 --> 00:04:26.490 I've launched a YouTube channel. We just finished 00:04:26.490 --> 00:04:29.910 up eight weeks of teaching on the revelation 00:04:29.910 --> 00:04:35.410 of Christ and all. That was a big passion I guess 00:04:35.410 --> 00:04:40.639 of mine and did get me into some trouble. But 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:44.019 it's something I can't I mean you've you've watched 00:04:44.019 --> 00:04:46.500 me kind of work this stuff out. It's something 00:04:46.500 --> 00:04:57.620 I can't I Guess unsee is the word You know, we've 00:04:57.620 --> 00:04:59.100 had the conversation plenty of times it would 00:04:59.100 --> 00:05:03.879 be easier to go back For me it would be easier 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:06.860 to go back and teach how I used to teach which 00:05:07.100 --> 00:05:10.160 I guess part of that would be more of behavior 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:14.600 modification type deals. Try to get a bunch of 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:16.399 people just to fix your behavior and do better, 00:05:16.459 --> 00:05:22.199 you suck. That kind of thought versus what I'm 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:28.000 teaching now is more rooted in identity and love 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:32.660 and acceptance and the fact that the truth is, 00:05:33.180 --> 00:05:37.870 and to me, the gospel is, it is. Christ in all. 00:05:40.430 --> 00:05:43.709 And there's no reservations when I say that, 00:05:44.410 --> 00:05:47.129 like the Muslim, the homosexual, the member of 00:05:47.129 --> 00:05:51.389 the LGBT, the murderer, the rapist, all that, 00:05:51.610 --> 00:05:55.829 you name it, Christ is in all. They just may 00:05:55.829 --> 00:06:02.600 not be aware of this yet. So that was my first 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.100 eight -week series for the YouTube kind of the 00:06:05.100 --> 00:06:09.000 relaunch of this podcast And the more and more 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:11.620 life just kind of unfolded I felt like it was 00:06:11.620 --> 00:06:14.839 the right time to switch everything and I hate 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:17.980 switching Things because it feels like you're 00:06:17.980 --> 00:06:20.519 unclear, but I really feel like this was a path 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:25.399 that led to this moment I Mean do you agree disagree? 00:06:28.459 --> 00:06:31.680 She has a softer voice than I do Think I'm just 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:38.019 loud So we're just gonna go through some of our 00:06:38.019 --> 00:06:43.079 story And then we'll just see where it takes 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:46.240 us and that way people can help kind of understand 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:52.740 how we got to this point We're just going through 00:06:52.740 --> 00:06:57.360 some of our history I guess and So we got married 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:02.629 at what 21 22 a long time ago, it feels like. 00:07:03.810 --> 00:07:13.129 I'm four years away from 40 now, hush. 21, 22, 00:07:13.689 --> 00:07:16.149 and essentially right out the gate, we stepped 00:07:16.149 --> 00:07:25.540 into youth ministry. And I'm just going to stick 00:07:25.540 --> 00:07:28.300 to kind of more of the facts that led us to where 00:07:28.300 --> 00:07:31.259 we are here. There's a lot of stuff we could 00:07:31.259 --> 00:07:34.360 talk about and address, and we may do that later. 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:41.500 But being with that first group that we had, 00:07:41.500 --> 00:07:44.360 which was an amazing group, I still remember 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:54.790 all of them. But we got the opportunity. And 00:07:54.790 --> 00:07:56.850 I forget what year it was. I guess if we got 00:07:56.850 --> 00:08:00.910 married in 2008, maybe it was 2009, 2010. I don't 00:08:00.910 --> 00:08:08.110 remember when we went. But we had the opportunity, 00:08:09.529 --> 00:08:12.930 the pastor, we had the time. And let me back 00:08:12.930 --> 00:08:16.730 up before I go into all this. This is going to 00:08:16.730 --> 00:08:22.449 be my rabbit hole moment. I grew up in a divorced 00:08:22.449 --> 00:08:28.420 home. which you did too. We both grew up in church. 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:36.059 You grew up Westland, but went to a Baptist Christian 00:08:36.059 --> 00:08:43.659 school. That was a fun time. I grew up in a joint 00:08:43.659 --> 00:08:48.659 custody home. When I was with dad, we went to 00:08:48.659 --> 00:08:51.570 different Baptist churches. uh the last one i 00:08:51.570 --> 00:08:53.629 can remember was an independent baptist and i 00:08:53.629 --> 00:08:57.649 don't know what all the baptists are as far as 00:08:57.649 --> 00:09:00.250 independent and i don't know what the difference 00:09:00.250 --> 00:09:05.889 are um but with him we went to a baptist church 00:09:05.889 --> 00:09:08.509 with mom we was at a non -denominational church 00:09:08.509 --> 00:09:13.070 and the one thing i can say is although especially 00:09:13.070 --> 00:09:21.639 now um i disagree with some of the theology And 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:23.340 I know I've said this on an earlier podcast, 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:28.039 but just because I disagree with the theology 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:31.799 does not mean I dislike the people and I'm attacking 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:36.700 the people because they were good people. I have 00:09:36.700 --> 00:09:40.320 no doubt they love people. They love God. These 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:46.519 were good hearted people. So I just say that 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.500 because I don't want people to constantly think 00:09:48.500 --> 00:09:52.320 that I'm attacking The pastors the leaders and 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.320 stuff like that that I've had in my life. It's 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:58.580 just The mindset and the thought processes and 00:09:58.580 --> 00:10:06.940 I'm not saying I'm 100 % right So there's that 00:10:06.940 --> 00:10:13.960 Trying to think of how real and transparent I 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:19.149 want this to be Divorced home that was at seven. 00:10:19.350 --> 00:10:23.350 I was seven years old When my mom and dad divorced 00:10:23.350 --> 00:10:27.850 so most of my childhood and was grown up in separate 00:10:27.850 --> 00:10:36.429 homes Kind of learning Kind of learning essentially 00:10:36.429 --> 00:10:41.690 how to play both sides Trying to please both 00:10:41.690 --> 00:10:52.940 mom and dad for a long time so there's that um 00:10:52.940 --> 00:10:55.539 you know that was some abuse and trauma growing 00:10:55.539 --> 00:10:58.379 up you know i feel like that's most of us in 00:10:58.379 --> 00:11:04.840 this world because we all are human and not every 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:07.740 parent gets it right even when they do the best 00:11:07.740 --> 00:11:10.539 they can not every parent and i'm speaking as 00:11:10.539 --> 00:11:14.679 a dad we don't always get it right um you're 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:22.769 just gonna You are At least I have evidence she 00:11:22.769 --> 00:11:27.090 does agree with me on some things But that was 00:11:27.090 --> 00:11:31.429 just kind of my life growing up I know you that 00:11:31.429 --> 00:11:34.970 you had a divorced Mom and dad to you and grew 00:11:34.970 --> 00:11:38.350 up in church. So both of us grew up in church 00:11:38.350 --> 00:11:45.850 So we got married I Knew we would be in church 00:11:46.909 --> 00:11:52.230 And I always felt a call to youth ministry. So 00:11:52.230 --> 00:11:55.190 anyhow, fast forward now. That's kind of some 00:11:55.190 --> 00:12:03.250 of my back story from my childhood. 2009, 2010, 00:12:03.250 --> 00:12:07.250 we had the opportunity with our pastors then 00:12:07.250 --> 00:12:09.509 and some of the leadership team to go to Ron 00:12:09.509 --> 00:12:15.870 Carpenter Church in South Carolina. Where was 00:12:15.870 --> 00:12:21.460 it? I don't remember where, what. Anyhow, his 00:12:21.460 --> 00:12:27.039 name was, the church's name, Ron Carpenter, is 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:30.519 it redemption? Was that the name of the church? 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:36.019 Redemption Church? Ron Carpenter? I think so. 00:12:36.019 --> 00:12:39.679 Think so? It used to be what John Gray's church 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:41.440 is now, isn't it? Yeah, but he's changed the 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:46.909 name of it, so I don't remember. So we had the 00:12:46.909 --> 00:12:49.950 opportunity to go there and All the our pastor 00:12:49.950 --> 00:12:52.250 leadership team and all of them went to the I 00:12:52.250 --> 00:12:54.509 think the actual service and they got some behind 00:12:54.509 --> 00:12:57.669 -the -scenes look at stuff Me and you went to 00:12:57.669 --> 00:13:01.750 the youth service Did not know at the time that 00:13:01.750 --> 00:13:04.629 there was a guest speaker To my knowledge. I 00:13:04.629 --> 00:13:07.610 don't remember having that information beforehand 00:13:07.610 --> 00:13:12.330 But Damon Thompson just happened to be the guest 00:13:12.330 --> 00:13:17.299 speaker that night and i can remember i don't 00:13:17.299 --> 00:13:19.100 remember his name but i remember meeting the 00:13:19.100 --> 00:13:22.620 youth leader i guess and if it's the guy was 00:13:22.620 --> 00:13:25.720 remembering right he was a big tall black pokey 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:31.019 guy like not someone i'd want to play with um 00:13:31.019 --> 00:13:33.279 but i can remember i even have the notes i think 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:38.000 from the message they administered on the last 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:45.169 that night and it was uh is what he was ministering 00:13:45.169 --> 00:13:50.669 on. And I don't think I ever really paid attention 00:13:50.669 --> 00:13:54.230 to recently reflecting back on being in that 00:13:54.230 --> 00:13:59.629 room. They had a huge room for their teenagers. 00:14:00.490 --> 00:14:06.970 Probably about the size of a gymnasium. If not 00:14:06.970 --> 00:14:12.830 bigger, partly. But he had a, Damon had a hat 00:14:12.830 --> 00:14:16.710 on, and I just, I knew something was different 00:14:16.710 --> 00:14:21.769 about him. I probably looked him up afterwards 00:14:21.769 --> 00:14:23.549 and realized he had connections with the ramp 00:14:23.549 --> 00:14:30.809 at one point, you know, all this. But then walking 00:14:30.809 --> 00:14:36.129 through some of that, that was then, ended up 00:14:36.129 --> 00:14:38.289 a couple years later, the church doors closed. 00:14:39.789 --> 00:14:44.049 We went through another season of being was it 00:14:44.049 --> 00:14:53.950 called interim pastors And we struggled I struggled 00:14:53.950 --> 00:15:00.370 Just with trusting certain aspects of church 00:15:00.370 --> 00:15:08.110 in that moment Again good -hearted people But 00:15:08.649 --> 00:15:13.149 that season may have lasted, what, six months? 00:15:16.049 --> 00:15:18.809 But I did get the opportunity. We dedicated Kaylyn, 00:15:20.049 --> 00:15:23.490 our first daughter, and first child. We dedicated 00:15:23.490 --> 00:15:28.950 her during that time period. So I don't regret 00:15:28.950 --> 00:15:32.730 it. I don't think I regret any of these seasons. 00:15:35.570 --> 00:15:38.330 Fast forward after that we was at a church again 00:15:38.330 --> 00:15:41.750 because we ended up grabbing our stuff and we 00:15:41.750 --> 00:15:48.669 parted ways and then fast forward what three 00:15:48.669 --> 00:15:54.649 six months later probably six months we had a 00:15:54.649 --> 00:15:59.009 former pastor invite us to a church and having 00:15:59.009 --> 00:16:02.929 dealt with some stuff before I was dead set against 00:16:02.929 --> 00:16:06.980 it. And you came out of the shower and said, 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:10.460 I think we need to go to this church. And we 00:16:10.460 --> 00:16:14.539 did. First service there, God called us out. 00:16:16.460 --> 00:16:18.100 Fast forward a little bit from that point, we 00:16:18.100 --> 00:16:20.899 went back into youth ministry. I remember the 00:16:20.899 --> 00:16:23.100 pastor there approaching us and asking us to 00:16:23.100 --> 00:16:25.379 pray about it. And I told him I didn't need to 00:16:25.379 --> 00:16:27.120 pray about it because we'd already talked about 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.639 it. Again, I felt like this was the gift and 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:35.039 a call that's been on our life. my wife, our 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:40.820 family. I think it's how we got to where we are 00:16:40.820 --> 00:16:47.259 today. So, went from there, went through some 00:16:47.259 --> 00:16:50.019 different seasons with churches and ministry 00:16:50.019 --> 00:16:59.740 to before our last adventure. But we also had 00:16:59.740 --> 00:17:03.250 some hiccups in our marriage along the way. thanks 00:17:03.250 --> 00:17:08.670 to me. I definitely had some of my struggles 00:17:08.670 --> 00:17:20.309 involving or the word be I'm looking for infidelity. 00:17:21.950 --> 00:17:33.000 Would that be how you would define that? And 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:36.039 I think a lot of it is looking back is I was 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:42.619 not healed I knew how to play the system Church 00:17:42.619 --> 00:17:51.779 has taught me how to wear a mask And being in 00:17:51.779 --> 00:17:56.279 the church world and divorced home You learn 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:00.500 how to hide things And I did that. I did that 00:18:00.500 --> 00:18:06.460 to you. I did that to our family. Not once, but 00:18:06.460 --> 00:18:11.420 twice. Second time dealing with some major grief 00:18:11.420 --> 00:18:14.140 on top of it and never having experienced that. 00:18:15.099 --> 00:18:18.000 I think I'm somebody that can tell people now 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:21.940 that even grief can take you on a dark road if 00:18:21.940 --> 00:18:33.039 you're not careful. But it's one of those things. 00:18:36.460 --> 00:18:38.779 It's one of those things I question nowadays. 00:18:40.099 --> 00:18:48.079 Do I regret the journey? I regret hurting people 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:53.980 along the way. But I think it's helped make me 00:18:53.980 --> 00:18:58.000 who I am today. And help us have the marriage 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:01.440 and the family that we have today. a marriage 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:07.599 that I've dreamed for. I mean, even the relationship 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.980 with my children. It's still not perfect, but 00:19:11.980 --> 00:19:15.980 it's better. Could you attest to that? Do you 00:19:15.980 --> 00:19:17.420 have anything you want to add? Because you're 00:19:17.420 --> 00:19:20.319 very quiet over there. I know your voice is kind 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:24.859 of out there, but. Not right now? You don't want 00:19:24.859 --> 00:19:29.400 to share nothing? I'm sorry for all my listeners. 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:31.460 I was trying to get her more engaged in this, 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:38.460 but she's just listening to me ramble. Who wants 00:19:38.460 --> 00:19:45.460 to do some hard seasons? Seasons that in some 00:19:45.460 --> 00:19:52.180 marriages wouldn't have lasted. And the last 00:19:52.180 --> 00:19:54.619 one, and I know I've told you this before, I've 00:19:54.619 --> 00:19:58.200 even mentioned this on when I've taught. But 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:02.680 even the last one, when I lost myself, you never 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:07.019 lost sight of me. And it was in that moment, 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.539 I know we've talked about before, because you 00:20:11.539 --> 00:20:14.619 didn't know how to handle it, but I would think 00:20:14.619 --> 00:20:17.220 it was in that moment, I know it was in that 00:20:17.220 --> 00:20:21.519 moment that I actually saw the love of the Father 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:26.140 through you. Because when I did everything to 00:20:26.140 --> 00:20:32.299 push you away and do just that the other You 00:20:32.299 --> 00:20:36.779 still saw me for who I actually was Which I know 00:20:36.779 --> 00:20:47.519 could not have been easy But you did And I would 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:50.940 like to think that may have started some of this 00:20:50.940 --> 00:20:58.210 in my head I did get through this time period. 00:20:58.349 --> 00:21:01.150 I did go to Liberty University, graduated with 00:21:01.150 --> 00:21:05.890 a bachelor's. I'm not sure what for because I 00:21:05.890 --> 00:21:09.210 haven't used any of that yet in my life. It's 00:21:09.210 --> 00:21:16.150 just put me in debt. Trying to cover a lot of 00:21:16.150 --> 00:21:18.269 bases because I feel like this journey has been 00:21:18.269 --> 00:21:26.200 important to get us to where we are now. Because 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:28.400 obviously everything that I'm doing today everything 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:33.599 we're doing I'm doing is new like I Didn't have 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.960 any idea how to do a podcast I've never launched 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:42.200 a YouTube channel I'm working on my e -course. 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:44.980 Hopefully with me having some time off this week. 00:21:45.059 --> 00:21:48.480 Maybe I can finish up those Classes and try to 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:54.299 figure out how to then post it The first one 00:21:54.299 --> 00:21:58.269 will be to help men who are in a position where 00:21:58.269 --> 00:22:06.029 I was in. But I've never done this stuff. Everything's 00:22:06.029 --> 00:22:08.970 new, like it's all new. Even what we're doing, 00:22:09.150 --> 00:22:10.970 which I'll get to that story in a minute. Just 00:22:10.970 --> 00:22:19.230 everything's new. It's new, but it feels... It's 00:22:19.230 --> 00:22:22.369 new, but it feels right. Like I don't know how 00:22:22.369 --> 00:22:31.150 else to explain it, but to say that. But going 00:22:31.150 --> 00:22:34.589 through some challenging seasons and seeing things 00:22:34.589 --> 00:22:43.269 in a different light once I started on my journey 00:22:43.269 --> 00:22:49.069 of healing, which was probably what, 2022? Is 00:22:49.069 --> 00:22:59.130 that right? 2022, 2023? I think at that point 00:22:59.130 --> 00:23:00.970 I realized, because this is the second time we 00:23:00.970 --> 00:23:05.829 went to this type of thing, I finally realized 00:23:05.829 --> 00:23:14.369 I couldn't do this on my own. And so I talk about 00:23:14.369 --> 00:23:16.890 today just getting people to show up for the 00:23:16.890 --> 00:23:19.049 walk and go on the journey because that's what 00:23:19.049 --> 00:23:23.150 changed my life. I couldn't change me. I can't 00:23:23.150 --> 00:23:27.430 change me. But even walking about walking through 00:23:27.430 --> 00:23:31.410 our healing process You saw the changes in me 00:23:31.410 --> 00:23:38.069 before I did You saw the changes in our How can 00:23:38.069 --> 00:23:41.529 I say my children saw the changes before I did 00:23:41.529 --> 00:23:44.529 and you would even tell me that comments that 00:23:44.529 --> 00:23:50.609 were made by the kids That showed that something 00:23:50.609 --> 00:23:57.119 in me has changed even if I couldn't see it Kind 00:23:57.119 --> 00:23:59.480 of like being downstairs with Trinity and she 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:01.660 looked at me and said why are you in a good mood? 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:07.539 Nothing like a child to make you think But that 00:24:07.539 --> 00:24:10.319 spoke to me because she realized that he was 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:18.880 in a good mood So we started the pipe I started 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:24.609 the podcast with your push I say I in some of 00:24:24.609 --> 00:24:26.769 this because I'm doing most of it, but I couldn't 00:24:26.769 --> 00:24:29.549 do it without my wife. I couldn't do it without 00:24:29.549 --> 00:24:37.730 you. No, I could not. It's knowing that I have 00:24:37.730 --> 00:24:40.670 your support and your backing and you're one 00:24:40.670 --> 00:24:42.930 everybody else seems to not believe. You actually 00:24:42.930 --> 00:24:47.650 do believe in me and push me to keep going because 00:24:47.650 --> 00:24:51.259 there's times we have felt alone. throughout 00:24:51.259 --> 00:24:55.059 this journey, especially recently. And I'll get 00:24:55.059 --> 00:24:57.059 to that in a minute. So we started, I started 00:24:57.059 --> 00:25:02.680 the podcast with Metanoia Ministries. And again, 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:08.900 Metanoia just being renewing of the mind. It's 00:25:08.900 --> 00:25:11.119 our word that we have in the scripture, repent, 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:15.440 which I have a different understanding of now. 00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:18.339 It should never been translated, repent. But 00:25:18.339 --> 00:25:22.299 it's a turning toward truth. It's a way I like 00:25:22.299 --> 00:25:24.359 to explain it. It's just coming back to your 00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:29.700 original design. So that was the first launch 00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:32.160 when I first started the podcast. It was Metanoi 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:37.619 Ministries. And that felt right at the time. 00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:45.299 And then we went through. I think you're right. 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.279 I think the echoes of Eden, how'd you put it 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:53.359 earlier? Renewal for me, renewal for us, renewal 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:59.420 for our family. I think that transition, during 00:25:59.420 --> 00:26:05.960 the time, I didn't look to have necessarily ministries 00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:09.740 attached to what we were doing. We were involved 00:26:09.740 --> 00:26:14.269 in ministry. But all I felt like it was just 00:26:14.269 --> 00:26:19.289 the all I had at that moment was a podcast Because 00:26:19.289 --> 00:26:22.130 we were doing things with our church at the time 00:26:22.130 --> 00:26:23.849 being involved in youth ministry and all that 00:26:23.849 --> 00:26:27.089 kind of stuff still So I transitioned to Echoes 00:26:27.089 --> 00:26:34.430 of Eden which again an important shift an important 00:26:34.430 --> 00:26:38.970 name remembering where we came from Remembering 00:26:38.970 --> 00:26:50.500 who we were as sons and daughters Yeah, and so 00:26:50.500 --> 00:26:58.339 that brings us to the last Few months that we've 00:26:58.339 --> 00:27:06.140 had And how we got to the kingdom family ministry, 00:27:06.220 --> 00:27:10.259 so I guess it was first knock remember was the 00:27:10.259 --> 00:27:12.609 first Saturday in November where we had a meeting 00:27:12.609 --> 00:27:19.450 with our pastors at the time. And because of 00:27:19.450 --> 00:27:21.970 certain beliefs that I held, we were asked to 00:27:21.970 --> 00:27:27.269 step down from ministry. They didn't ask us to 00:27:27.269 --> 00:27:32.130 leave the church, but why would we stay? That 00:27:32.130 --> 00:27:34.390 was kind of our thought process. What was the 00:27:34.390 --> 00:27:40.009 purpose? And again, this is nothing toward the 00:27:40.009 --> 00:27:43.049 people. nothing toward the pastors we had at 00:27:43.049 --> 00:27:49.349 the time, nothing against anybody. But, you know, 00:27:50.849 --> 00:27:54.690 I reference the Holy Spirit as she at times. 00:27:56.250 --> 00:27:59.230 I'm not really jealous for either term, but that's 00:27:59.230 --> 00:28:04.750 another topic for another day. So that was an 00:28:04.750 --> 00:28:07.309 issue, and then believing that Christ was in 00:28:07.309 --> 00:28:13.460 all was an issue. and we knew it was coming we 00:28:13.460 --> 00:28:19.619 knew that just by how how we were being treated 00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:24.279 by certain people which I like how Martin Casto 00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:27.000 put it when we went up there to hear him that 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.559 sometimes the people who mistreat you they're 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:32.440 only mistreating you because they're ignorant 00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:39.019 they don't understand so not the same as stupid 00:28:39.929 --> 00:28:44.069 I'm not calling anybody that. I'm not calling 00:28:44.069 --> 00:28:47.109 anybody what? Ignorant. Ignorant is not a bad 00:28:47.109 --> 00:28:52.529 thing. Ignorant just means you don't know. Yeah, 00:28:52.710 --> 00:28:54.430 I think a lot of people take it. They take it 00:28:54.430 --> 00:28:56.769 as you're being called stupid, and that's not. 00:28:58.369 --> 00:29:00.930 Calling someone stupid is offensive, but ignorant 00:29:00.930 --> 00:29:03.069 is not an offensive word. It just means you don't 00:29:03.069 --> 00:29:06.130 understand. I'm ignorant of a lot of things, 00:29:06.349 --> 00:29:08.769 like I'm ignorant on how to work on a vehicle. 00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.119 and it's probably best that way for the sanity 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:16.220 of everybody around me. I will pay somebody to 00:29:16.220 --> 00:29:18.960 do such and such. I'm ignorant on how to put 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.440 up lights. That's why we had somebody else come 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:26.740 and do that. But did I learn some of that in 00:29:26.740 --> 00:29:29.940 the process? Maybe. I might could do some wiring 00:29:29.940 --> 00:29:35.079 now. My wife does not agree, but I would like 00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:40.460 to give it a shot at something. But so we had 00:29:40.460 --> 00:29:47.900 that happen I've had my fun attacks on social 00:29:47.900 --> 00:29:53.759 media Everybody Comes out of the woodworks when 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:57.440 you start believing a certain way But I think 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.259 the part that I want people to understand is 00:30:00.259 --> 00:30:04.619 these are not overnight beliefs This is stuff 00:30:04.619 --> 00:30:12.779 I've wrestled with for two or three years before 00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:21.400 releasing it. And so we ended up leaving the 00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:28.019 church in November. There was a family that had 00:30:28.019 --> 00:30:33.119 brought, they had three teenagers that we were, 00:30:33.859 --> 00:30:37.299 they're youth pastors of course. And this family, 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:40.880 every youth service we had would load up of load 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.460 of teenagers to get them there. They wanted to 00:30:44.460 --> 00:30:51.779 continue this. So we did. And I think it's only 00:30:51.779 --> 00:30:55.119 because they saw the change in their teenagers. 00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:59.279 That's whatever we were doing and teaching was 00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:07.440 changing their lives. So we continued. So heck, 00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:10.039 we'll just do Bible study up there. We'll do 00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.940 our once a month service and I guess we had our 00:31:13.940 --> 00:31:19.000 first service what in November? or was it after? 00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:22.640 was it in December? no I want to say we did have 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:36.019 one in November but I could be wrong I don't 00:31:36.019 --> 00:31:39.019 remember but I know we started Bible study at 00:31:39.019 --> 00:31:46.400 least And this is the part where you can feel 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:50.700 free to speak up. Where we've had the services. 00:31:53.059 --> 00:32:00.599 Right in their backyard. God has showed up. And 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:06.339 you're seeing young people being countered by 00:32:06.339 --> 00:32:10.079 the Father's love. Like I'm not just... Making 00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:16.440 this up you're seeing the same thing You know 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:19.220 like the last one we just did we had a young 00:32:19.220 --> 00:32:23.059 18 year old girl who? Did not want to be around 00:32:23.059 --> 00:32:27.420 people Kind of stayed off to the side we have 00:32:27.420 --> 00:32:37.500 what probably 10 10 12 teenagers 13 Did not want 00:32:37.500 --> 00:32:42.369 to be around people But by the end of it, after 00:32:42.369 --> 00:32:47.369 encountering love, began to dance with the rest 00:32:47.369 --> 00:32:50.789 of the circle. Like, you can't make that up. 00:32:50.869 --> 00:32:53.829 And I can't make that happen. The only thing 00:32:53.829 --> 00:32:58.630 I can say that we did was make space for an encounter. 00:32:59.910 --> 00:33:05.609 Make space for these kids to be loved on. I'm 00:33:05.609 --> 00:33:08.650 not jealous. anymore and there's still times 00:33:08.650 --> 00:33:11.190 that I want to teach on behavior when you got 00:33:11.190 --> 00:33:15.490 teenagers you want to talk about behavior and 00:33:15.490 --> 00:33:19.150 I can exhaust myself that way or I can just stick 00:33:19.150 --> 00:33:23.910 to teaching identity and teaching them who they 00:33:23.910 --> 00:33:29.789 are and trust Holy Spirit with the rest and you've 00:33:29.789 --> 00:33:33.769 been with me through both I mean you've been 00:33:33.769 --> 00:33:38.160 with me through how we used to lead and the stuff 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:44.220 I used to teach and you saw where that life led 00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:48.500 me. But you've also been on the other end of 00:33:48.500 --> 00:33:52.160 this with this teaching and what it's done for 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.619 me and our family and now what it's doing for 00:33:54.619 --> 00:34:07.549 others. Yep, not saying anything negative about 00:34:07.549 --> 00:34:11.889 that, but you can see Mindsets that are different 00:34:11.889 --> 00:34:18.630 than what we're teaching now attitudes That are 00:34:18.630 --> 00:34:23.090 different than what we're teaching now so just 00:34:23.090 --> 00:34:26.730 because you're raised in religion Doesn't mean 00:34:26.730 --> 00:34:33.880 that you turn out knowing the true love is That's 00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:38.900 that's true Because I think in our and maybe 00:34:38.900 --> 00:34:44.559 you can speak to this son I think in our Formative 00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:49.559 years of being a ministry and The first part 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.539 of it I feel like maybe I was just regurgitating 00:34:52.539 --> 00:34:55.139 and reading the scripture through all the ends 00:34:55.139 --> 00:35:02.809 that I had been taught Whereas now I'm in a I'm 00:35:02.809 --> 00:35:05.730 in a place where I'm attempting to allow Holy 00:35:05.730 --> 00:35:09.090 Spirit to adjust that lens and allowing Holy 00:35:09.090 --> 00:35:13.230 Spirit to be the teacher that she needs to be 00:35:13.230 --> 00:35:21.590 in my life. And that has been a different journey, 00:35:21.710 --> 00:35:27.130 I guess I can say. It's not about regurgitating 00:35:27.130 --> 00:35:31.150 and I'm not trying to tear everything down, but 00:35:31.150 --> 00:35:36.659 I think it's important for us to not just read 00:35:36.659 --> 00:35:38.940 through a lens that we've been handled, handed, 00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:42.360 but to allow Holy Spirit to do the adjustment 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:46.800 that's needed and to allow the Word of God sit 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:50.780 down with us while we read a Word of God. Well 00:35:50.780 --> 00:35:59.179 at some point you have to remember that a pastor 00:35:59.179 --> 00:36:07.110 is just a man. For a woman and you know Not saying 00:36:07.110 --> 00:36:10.110 that their lens is wrong. That's right for them 00:36:10.110 --> 00:36:14.369 because the Holy Spirit God knows, you know how 00:36:14.369 --> 00:36:17.969 to reach every single person Doesn't make everybody's 00:36:17.969 --> 00:36:23.389 lens wrong. It's just how he reaches every person 00:36:23.389 --> 00:36:27.369 That's good. You can't reach the same people 00:36:27.369 --> 00:36:33.670 or everyone with the same thing they all go through 00:36:33.670 --> 00:36:36.789 different stories in life different roads in 00:36:36.789 --> 00:36:40.429 life you've got different backgrounds different 00:36:40.429 --> 00:36:45.849 family situations that you know people just can't 00:36:45.849 --> 00:36:48.949 relate to some people and that's not a bad thing 00:36:48.949 --> 00:36:54.190 it's not saying that you know that your gospel 00:36:54.190 --> 00:36:59.050 or your story is wrong but it it doesn't help 00:36:59.469 --> 00:37:04.230 someone reach someone who can't comprehend what 00:37:04.230 --> 00:37:06.969 you're going through or what someone else has 00:37:06.969 --> 00:37:14.389 been through. It's just like, you know, you compare, 00:37:15.630 --> 00:37:21.650 try comparing the love of a father to an orphan. 00:37:23.090 --> 00:37:28.190 You know, like, they don't get it. because they 00:37:28.190 --> 00:37:32.550 don't have anything to compare it to. You have 00:37:32.550 --> 00:37:38.710 to meet them on a level playing field. You have 00:37:38.710 --> 00:37:44.769 to understand where they're coming from and know 00:37:44.769 --> 00:37:50.230 someone's story to be able to adjust and not 00:37:50.230 --> 00:37:55.090 be so cocky and arrogant as to say, you know, 00:37:56.300 --> 00:38:01.000 Well, only this like this is how it's done. Yeah 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:05.039 Well, okay. Well that may work for some people 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.920 But everybody's not cookie -cutter. I think some 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:12.300 people and that's good. I think some people Are 00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:15.340 in a place especially with in our part of the 00:38:15.340 --> 00:38:17.920 world how we've been trained in taught scripture. 00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:21.460 I Think there's some people that need to be told 00:38:21.460 --> 00:38:25.219 you're just a dirty person To make them get cleaned 00:38:25.219 --> 00:38:29.250 up then that may be their starting point. Kind 00:38:29.250 --> 00:38:34.010 of like, in my defense, I guess you could say 00:38:34.010 --> 00:38:38.050 what that would be, Abraham and Isaac, when God 00:38:38.050 --> 00:38:41.210 came and asked Abraham to sacrifice his son. 00:38:42.789 --> 00:38:44.989 First of all, I would never trust a God who asked 00:38:44.989 --> 00:38:48.309 me to sacrifice my kid. Like, not gonna happen. 00:38:49.250 --> 00:38:54.829 But, in that culture that was... something Abraham 00:38:54.829 --> 00:38:59.510 would have expected a God to do because of the 00:38:59.510 --> 00:39:04.050 different gods that they had. So God asking for 00:39:04.050 --> 00:39:07.329 that sacrifice did not come as a shock for Abraham. 00:39:08.909 --> 00:39:13.550 So God met Abraham in the place that he was until 00:39:13.550 --> 00:39:15.789 he was ready to have the conversation on top 00:39:15.789 --> 00:39:18.050 of the mountain that you will not be providing 00:39:18.050 --> 00:39:25.769 the sacrifice, I will be. You know you pick two 00:39:25.769 --> 00:39:30.530 random people on the street One person's got 00:39:30.530 --> 00:39:33.369 a big problem with pride. Mm -hmm. The other 00:39:33.369 --> 00:39:35.789 person has a very big problem with depression 00:39:35.789 --> 00:39:40.610 and anxiety Okay, the one with pride what would 00:39:40.610 --> 00:39:43.050 people say about that one? Oh, he needs to be 00:39:43.050 --> 00:39:46.329 knocked down a peg. Yeah, right Because he thinks 00:39:46.329 --> 00:39:50.389 too much of himself. Yeah. Okay, so one of the 00:39:50.389 --> 00:39:54.280 ways that is true you might he needs humbling 00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:59.460 you you know god won't need you he chose you 00:39:59.460 --> 00:40:04.079 yeah but he he doesn't need you for anything 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:10.000 partners with you and chose you yes you know 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.480 people think too much of themselves sometimes 00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.059 not in the best way you know there's a difference 00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:17.860 between like we've talked about before yes being 00:40:17.860 --> 00:40:21.829 humble but um then you look at you go to the 00:40:21.829 --> 00:40:25.349 other person who suffers with depression anxiety 00:40:25.349 --> 00:40:28.909 and self -worth you tell them that they're nothing 00:40:28.909 --> 00:40:32.130 well they already know they already think that 00:40:32.130 --> 00:40:35.849 about themselves yep so you're pushing that person 00:40:35.849 --> 00:40:42.289 towards a spiral possibly suicide because they 00:40:42.289 --> 00:40:45.070 can't handle being told that because they already 00:40:45.070 --> 00:40:48.989 believe it But what God sees is he needs them 00:40:48.989 --> 00:40:56.590 to see how much they are worth to him. What you 00:40:56.590 --> 00:41:00.010 tell him, this one over here with pride, God 00:41:00.010 --> 00:41:02.909 doesn't need you, but he chose you. You tell 00:41:02.909 --> 00:41:05.909 this one over here with depression, God chose 00:41:05.909 --> 00:41:11.170 you. Do you know how much he loves you? Almost 00:41:11.170 --> 00:41:14.550 the same thing. but there's a difference in how 00:41:14.550 --> 00:41:18.130 you have to approach each person. Yep, which 00:41:18.130 --> 00:41:24.389 I guess to my thoughts go to that's why you need 00:41:24.389 --> 00:41:27.949 the Holy Spirit. Right. And you need the Holy 00:41:27.949 --> 00:41:31.230 Spirit in a way that helps you see the Christ 00:41:31.230 --> 00:41:33.789 in both of those individuals so you can speak 00:41:33.789 --> 00:41:45.420 to that as a center daughter. Right. I forget 00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:56.980 where we were in this conversation, but Yes, 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.440 the Holy Spirit's been teaching me a lot of these 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.099 things which again people think that I've just 00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:04.559 made up in the past a little bit, but this is 00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:09.059 stuff that I've had to walk on this journey and 00:42:09.059 --> 00:42:12.659 this progression in this pathway with Holy Spirit 00:42:12.659 --> 00:42:17.820 teaching me and I'll never forget Just maybe 00:42:17.820 --> 00:42:19.960 it was around the time that this actually all 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:23.119 started as far as some of this goes was being 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:27.039 there when Lance Johnson Prayed over me and he 00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:29.260 said that the Holy Spirit would be the greatest 00:42:29.260 --> 00:42:32.159 teacher you've ever had And that's proven to 00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:36.880 be true. Like it leads me down past that a lot 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.179 of people disagree I Get in trouble for it, but 00:42:41.179 --> 00:42:43.199 I almost feel like everything that I've been 00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:48.980 through with life has built me for that. And 00:42:48.980 --> 00:42:51.039 you know, so we've been doing these services 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.980 with this family and I don't know where this 00:42:54.980 --> 00:42:59.199 is going. I don't know what God is actually doing. 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.400 All I know is we're remaining faithful to say 00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:07.219 yes to this. But even our Bible studies on Wednesday 00:43:07.219 --> 00:43:10.559 night is completely different and feels so freeing. 00:43:11.579 --> 00:43:13.980 Like and I'll never forget just a couple Wednesdays 00:43:13.980 --> 00:43:17.340 ago when I had I was still in that mindset that 00:43:17.340 --> 00:43:21.340 Wednesday night is seven to eight And it was 00:43:21.340 --> 00:43:23.079 around little after eight and I said, I know 00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:26.099 I'm over my time Not thinking about what I was 00:43:26.099 --> 00:43:28.260 saying. I've been so trained in this seven to 00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:32.260 eight And everybody in the rims like who said 00:43:32.260 --> 00:43:36.239 And I didn't know what to do with that at first 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:39.949 like cuz I'm so accustomed you know we got even 00:43:39.949 --> 00:43:43.570 told early in our ministry um that we need to 00:43:43.570 --> 00:43:45.690 keep stuff short because teenagers don't have 00:43:45.690 --> 00:43:48.309 that attention span well you're gonna have to 00:43:48.309 --> 00:43:50.989 convince me of that with these guys yeah because 00:43:50.989 --> 00:43:52.869 this whole family we can go for an hour and a 00:43:52.869 --> 00:43:55.010 half and they're still willing hungry for more 00:43:55.010 --> 00:43:58.710 we can do services and everybody knows i'm long 00:43:58.710 --> 00:44:03.989 -winded and they don't have any desire to like 00:44:03.989 --> 00:44:07.070 they're not antsy and wanting to stop They would 00:44:07.070 --> 00:44:11.949 keep going as long as we go. I mean, these guys 00:44:11.949 --> 00:44:18.269 specifically was there for our first youth conference 00:44:18.269 --> 00:44:23.170 we did. We didn't have a huge crowd, but that's 00:44:23.170 --> 00:44:24.909 what we felt like we needed to do was a youth 00:44:24.909 --> 00:44:27.869 conference. And they heard me talk all day long. 00:44:27.889 --> 00:44:32.429 I was exhausted. just because we didn't plan 00:44:32.429 --> 00:44:34.969 out things like we were supposed to and didn't 00:44:34.969 --> 00:44:38.010 follow up with certain things so I ended up speaking 00:44:38.010 --> 00:44:41.590 a lot more than I had planned on that day but 00:44:41.590 --> 00:44:44.050 they never lost a beat like they were engaged 00:44:44.050 --> 00:44:48.889 the entire day and that's not always been the 00:44:48.889 --> 00:45:00.920 case I mean I just let me how long we've been 00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:08.039 going 45 minutes so i think this is an important 00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:11.420 thing that i can interject here is that eden 00:45:11.420 --> 00:45:15.800 is not just a memory metanoia is not just a moment 00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.980 i think both of those were to lead to this point 00:45:19.980 --> 00:45:23.039 and i think they were meant to lead into family 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:30.769 um i think they were meant to lead excuse me, 00:45:30.929 --> 00:45:33.809 they were meant to lead into family lived, relational, 00:45:33.989 --> 00:45:40.710 and everyday kingdom life. That kingdom family 00:45:40.710 --> 00:45:45.349 is where identity becomes practice, where sonship 00:45:45.349 --> 00:45:48.170 becomes rhythm, and where theology becomes flesh. 00:45:49.730 --> 00:45:52.349 It's where faith shows up in marriages like in 00:45:52.349 --> 00:45:55.150 our marriage, in parenting, and friendship, and 00:45:55.150 --> 00:45:58.059 conflict, and healing. and how we walked through 00:45:58.059 --> 00:46:00.340 the grocery store and the prayer closet in the 00:46:00.340 --> 00:46:12.159 same way. I just feel like I agree with what 00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:16.619 you said. I think both of those was different 00:46:16.619 --> 00:46:21.079 aspects of my journey and path that led here 00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:28.960 to now. And I don't mean this, if people hear 00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:30.960 this and think I'm just talking bad about the 00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.739 church, they don't know me. I grew up in church, 00:46:33.739 --> 00:46:39.800 I love the church, but unfortunately, especially 00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:43.519 in our neck of the woods, I don't know if there's 00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:47.780 a church that I can go to that would accept me 00:46:47.780 --> 00:46:51.239 for me and allow me to do what I'm called to 00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.980 do because I don't agree with their beliefs. 00:46:56.679 --> 00:47:00.920 is true because unfortunately i guess apparently 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.280 a lot of people think that you know you have 00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:13.119 to agree on everything um you know in order to 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:19.039 be able to worship together but that's not the 00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:27.599 case just just so y 'all know i mean i mean Bible 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.639 says that you have there's only one way to God 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:33.519 which is Jesus, you know the Sun Yeah, but a 00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:35.760 lot of people find Jesus in a whole lot of different 00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:43.219 ways sure do I Just And I don't want people to 00:47:43.219 --> 00:47:44.739 take that as that's what I'm doing is attacking 00:47:44.739 --> 00:47:47.260 the church because I'm not There's no part of 00:47:47.260 --> 00:47:50.699 what my intent is to do is to attack the church 00:47:50.699 --> 00:47:54.639 It's just my journey what I have learned and 00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:58.460 what we have built is we say we're all accepted, 00:47:58.619 --> 00:48:02.219 come as you are, but if I see things through 00:48:02.219 --> 00:48:06.500 a different lens, I'm now dangerous. I'm cast 00:48:06.500 --> 00:48:10.659 out because I've become dangerous to the system. 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:15.179 Theology. Theology, but I think also I've become 00:48:15.179 --> 00:48:21.159 dangerous to the system. And my whole intent 00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.980 is to, even with what we have now starting and 00:48:24.980 --> 00:48:28.039 happening and whatever, is to get these teenagers 00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:31.619 to realize how valuable and important they are 00:48:31.619 --> 00:48:35.420 to be a part of a kingdom family, and that they 00:48:35.420 --> 00:48:38.780 can hear from the Holy Spirit at 13, 14, heck, 00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.739 our kids, seven, 11 years old. That they can 00:48:42.739 --> 00:48:45.199 hear from the Holy Spirit for themselves. You 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:49.860 don't need me to be that voice. I will gladly 00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:53.440 do all this teaching, and I found this fascinating 00:48:53.440 --> 00:49:00.119 and fun. I will do this. But I don't want to 00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:02.599 build a culture and an environment to where they 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:09.760 rely upon me to bring the work. Right. And I 00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:15.860 think that shows in our 11 year old. Yeah. I 00:49:15.860 --> 00:49:21.019 agree. But I think it's just this whole journey 00:49:21.019 --> 00:49:25.860 to get us here to where Yes, I struggled with 00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:29.500 changing the name of this podcast again, but 00:49:29.500 --> 00:49:33.260 I feel like it's right. I feel like everything 00:49:33.260 --> 00:49:39.440 that we're doing is now under or should be moved 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.559 under the Kingdom Family Ministries where, you 00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:46.659 know, the part that I have added to or even our 00:49:46.659 --> 00:49:50.320 logo is restoring identity, rebuilding families, 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:54.840 and advancing the kingdom. I feel like that's 00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:56.920 what my life has been about, what our life is 00:49:56.920 --> 00:50:00.760 about. That everything we do, we're talking about 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:03.780 identity and restoring that, helping rebuild 00:50:03.780 --> 00:50:07.159 families. And how can we do that? Because we've 00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:11.000 seen our family rebuilt. We can help other marriages 00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:15.699 because we've had our marriage torn down and 00:50:15.699 --> 00:50:21.760 rebuilt. We've had our family torn down and rebuilt. 00:50:22.510 --> 00:50:26.150 I as a dad has had the relationship with my children 00:50:26.150 --> 00:50:28.809 feel like that was torn down and has been rebuilt 00:50:28.809 --> 00:50:32.369 and is being rebuilt. Like I think it's still 00:50:32.369 --> 00:50:36.150 as much as I am grateful for where our marriage 00:50:36.150 --> 00:50:40.269 is today, I'm excited to see where it is three 00:50:40.269 --> 00:50:45.289 years from now, 10 years from now. I'm excited 00:50:45.289 --> 00:50:50.070 to see how our marriage impacts our children 00:50:50.070 --> 00:50:57.199 and when they get married. And the same can be 00:50:57.199 --> 00:50:59.300 true with any part of our life. The relationship 00:50:59.300 --> 00:51:03.159 with our kids, our finances, I mean, you name 00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:09.460 it. I think our aim is seeing this rebuilt the 00:51:09.460 --> 00:51:14.139 way that Holy Spirit and the Trinity has purposed 00:51:14.139 --> 00:51:25.119 for it to be built. If that makes sense. trying 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:37.039 to think where to go from here it's just like 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:38.860 i don't know how it's a set except for it feels 00:51:38.860 --> 00:51:44.360 right i'm not just wanting to change a name but 00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:47.059 to change a name i feel like this is purposeful 00:51:47.059 --> 00:51:51.420 and i feel like this is the right direction um 00:51:51.420 --> 00:51:56.480 the youtube channel is already named this Facebook 00:51:56.480 --> 00:52:02.539 has already named this And so this would be our 00:52:02.539 --> 00:52:07.699 heading name Like there's still one that I'm 00:52:07.699 --> 00:52:10.780 working on is a father's forge that'll be the 00:52:10.780 --> 00:52:16.159 men's group that I focus on I want to see you 00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:19.880 step in later to address the women because I 00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:26.420 think you could help women but I think everything 00:52:26.420 --> 00:52:32.159 will now fall under this. I think it's just the 00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:37.239 right step for us to make as we move forward. 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:42.039 And I think going forward, this podcast will 00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:47.800 continue to explore identity, union, scripture, 00:52:48.260 --> 00:52:51.039 transformation, but I think it's gonna always 00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.900 now... Not that it wasn't before but always through 00:52:53.900 --> 00:52:59.260 the lens of belonging Not just what do you believe 00:52:59.260 --> 00:53:02.960 but who do you belong to and who belongs to you 00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:05.619 Because even like I even tell the group on Wednesday 00:53:05.619 --> 00:53:07.460 night, I'm not really interested in you believe 00:53:07.460 --> 00:53:10.980 in just how I believe I'm Sharing my point of 00:53:10.980 --> 00:53:16.619 view to get you to rethink Because it's a journey 00:53:16.619 --> 00:53:20.659 for all of us I mean you even told me before 00:53:20.659 --> 00:53:22.519 you don't know that you're quite there with me 00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.940 on some things I believe in. It's a journey for 00:53:25.940 --> 00:53:32.619 you. And that's okay. And we stayed married. 00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:38.119 That's scary. But like there's a book that me 00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:40.239 and you are gonna do together that I'm interested 00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:43.559 in. Been sitting on the shelf for a little bit 00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:47.300 now but my wife is looking at me like whose fault 00:53:47.300 --> 00:54:00.320 is that? But it's just and I think I Think one 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:03.159 of the areas I don't know if the struggle is 00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:06.760 the right word But I'm not one who just wants 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.159 to sit around talk about the weather and do small 00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:12.380 talk Like this is the kind of stuff that fascinates 00:54:12.380 --> 00:54:15.500 me. I Love having these conversations. I love 00:54:15.500 --> 00:54:17.460 having our Wednesday night Bible study and they 00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:20.420 bring up questions and different points of view 00:54:20.420 --> 00:54:31.679 that makes me think yeah yeah I do and not so 00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:33.840 I can say well I'm right you're wrong but to 00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:36.739 go oh that's interesting it's kind of like Jason 00:54:36.739 --> 00:54:40.679 Clark talks about it on his rethinking Galataka's 00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:46.010 podcast and Him I forget who we was talking about 00:54:46.010 --> 00:54:48.050 but they were in a conversation about the goodness 00:54:48.050 --> 00:54:52.730 of God and it was always Both of them trying 00:54:52.730 --> 00:54:57.250 to one up each other Like he's good. Yes, and 00:54:57.250 --> 00:55:00.230 then the other one would rethink and say but 00:55:00.230 --> 00:55:03.110 easy this good and what I think that's the kind 00:55:03.110 --> 00:55:05.510 of thing I want to get to because I don't think 00:55:05.510 --> 00:55:08.969 there's any way you can Come up with anything 00:55:08.969 --> 00:55:14.210 in your mind where the goodness of God is That 00:55:14.210 --> 00:55:16.429 you've expressed the goodness of God more than 00:55:16.429 --> 00:55:20.610 how good he is. Does that make sense? I don't 00:55:20.610 --> 00:55:22.969 think you can do that. You can never come to 00:55:22.969 --> 00:55:25.750 the realization of just how good he is because 00:55:25.750 --> 00:55:28.969 he's that good. Exactly. It's kind of like, and 00:55:28.969 --> 00:55:31.730 I've told you this before, if I can take me as 00:55:31.730 --> 00:55:36.030 a man with limited knowledge, can take your gospel 00:55:36.030 --> 00:55:40.789 and make it better, then you don't have the gospel. 00:55:43.429 --> 00:55:47.190 And I want that to sound defensive, because that 00:55:47.190 --> 00:55:49.409 should make somebody rethink that if I can make 00:55:49.409 --> 00:55:51.309 your gospel better than what you're believing, 00:55:52.230 --> 00:55:54.150 it's kind of like Damon Thompson put, is it good 00:55:54.150 --> 00:55:58.309 news that you have to sit down and take a test 00:55:58.309 --> 00:56:01.550 and the teacher comes in and stands over your 00:56:01.550 --> 00:56:05.289 shoulder and gives you the answer? Yeah, it's 00:56:05.289 --> 00:56:07.750 good news. But what's better than that is when 00:56:07.750 --> 00:56:09.650 the teacher just says, get up and take the test 00:56:09.650 --> 00:56:15.019 for you. So the first one sounds like good news 00:56:15.019 --> 00:56:18.219 and it is good news But if I can one up that 00:56:18.219 --> 00:56:21.280 then you don't have the gospel because this is 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:29.800 actually better news And so these are the kind 00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:33.340 of conversations I think we will continue having 00:56:33.340 --> 00:56:39.280 a lot more teaching Just like with the first 00:56:40.240 --> 00:56:42.679 Part of this the revelation of Christ and all 00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:47.480 that was a big one for me I'm pretty sure I know 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:50.619 what we'll do starting next week But I also want 00:56:50.619 --> 00:56:53.980 to make sure and create space to have conversations 00:56:53.980 --> 00:56:58.980 like this Like we did the last season on the 00:56:58.980 --> 00:57:01.880 topic of me and like I want to sit down and have 00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:04.500 Conversations about marriage and family and parenting 00:57:04.500 --> 00:57:06.659 and all that kind of stuff. I think that's important 00:57:09.170 --> 00:57:11.030 And I don't know what that looks like. Again, 00:57:11.030 --> 00:57:16.409 I'm not the professional here to know. I'm still 00:57:16.409 --> 00:57:19.409 figuring this out. I feel like I'm stumbling 00:57:19.409 --> 00:57:25.309 around in a dark room. I'm not a professional 00:57:25.309 --> 00:57:31.469 podcaster. I don't... I don't know. I don't know 00:57:31.469 --> 00:57:34.349 where we go. I don't know what the future looks 00:57:34.349 --> 00:57:38.190 like. I just... No, and you can feel free to 00:57:38.190 --> 00:57:41.170 disagree. I just know in my heart that we're 00:57:41.170 --> 00:57:53.909 on the right path So I Think that's what's important 00:57:53.909 --> 00:57:58.010 and what I wanted my listeners to hear is That 00:57:58.010 --> 00:58:01.130 yes is another name change. We will kick off 00:58:01.130 --> 00:58:06.179 with Kingdom Family Ministries And this is why 00:58:06.179 --> 00:58:08.360 I didn't want people to just think we're just 00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:10.760 changing the name to change the name Like there's 00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:13.079 a purpose behind this. There's a journey behind 00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:17.539 this. There's heart behind this And I don't know 00:58:17.539 --> 00:58:20.800 that I would have picked up on the previous to 00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:25.579 being a path for me until you said it Because 00:58:25.579 --> 00:58:27.400 sometimes I get stuck in my own head and just 00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:30.980 feel like people's gonna think Another name change 00:58:30.980 --> 00:58:36.860 so he has no clue what he's doing um was a moment 00:58:36.860 --> 00:58:40.619 on your journey and i think each one is very 00:58:40.619 --> 00:58:44.760 special and unique to see it evolve into what 00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:53.460 it is now stepping stones i like that so we'll 00:58:53.460 --> 00:58:56.260 continue exploring things folks continue restoring 00:58:56.260 --> 00:58:58.659 identity rebuilding families and advancing the 00:58:58.659 --> 00:59:01.380 kingdom do whatever means necessary right now 00:59:01.380 --> 00:59:05.860 that's youtube and podcast and doing our thing 00:59:05.860 --> 00:59:12.559 up on the mountain and I guess you got any closing 00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:18.679 thoughts you want to add anything you want to 00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:27.119 say I'd be down for that people want to put hey 00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:31.119 can you touch on this yeah so if you've listened 00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:36.550 you know Leave a review. Let us hear from you. 00:59:36.550 --> 00:59:38.389 What do you want to hear about? What do you want 00:59:38.389 --> 00:59:41.130 to know about? What would you like to hear teaching 00:59:41.130 --> 00:59:47.050 on? Other or just our thoughts about whatever 00:59:47.050 --> 00:59:52.269 Other than that, I think the best thing I can 00:59:52.269 --> 00:59:55.389 end with is welcome to the kingdom family podcast 00:59:55.389 --> 00:59:59.190 That's where we're at now That's how we will 00:59:59.190 --> 01:00:04.670 move forward So pull up a chair Put us on, we're 01:00:04.670 --> 01:00:06.670 glad you're here. Pull up a chair, ride down 01:00:06.670 --> 01:00:09.849 the road, whatever. You're not just listening, 01:00:10.150 --> 01:00:15.570 you're part of the family. Other than that, be 01:00:15.570 --> 01:00:21.590 blessed. Thanks for spending some time with me 01:00:21.590 --> 01:00:25.090 today on the Kingdom Family Podcast. 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