WEBVTT 00:00:02.379 --> 00:00:07.540 before time had a name. There was a garden, a 00:00:07.540 --> 00:00:12.439 place where heaven and earth walked as one. This 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:17.780 is the Echoes of Eden, where we rediscover ancient 00:00:17.780 --> 00:00:33.859 roots and awaken to our eternal purpose. podcast 00:00:33.859 --> 00:00:37.420 by my father -in -law, and our wife's in the 00:00:37.420 --> 00:00:41.600 room too, and our little one. So if there's background 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:47.259 noise, that would be why. But this podcast is 00:00:47.259 --> 00:00:53.039 going to be on teaching integrity. So it'll be 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:56.820 primarily on integrity. And I want to open with 00:00:56.820 --> 00:00:59.200 the scripture first, and then I'll kind of explain 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:03.229 why I wanted Not to give him a big head or nothing, 00:01:03.229 --> 00:01:06.030 but my father -in -law on the podcast for this 00:01:06.030 --> 00:01:11.870 one but scripture to go with this Would be you 00:01:11.870 --> 00:01:15.109 can find it in Titus 2 7 and 8 and it says above 00:01:15.109 --> 00:01:19.569 all set yourself apart as a model of A life nobler 00:01:19.569 --> 00:01:21.989 lived with dignity demonstrate integrity and 00:01:21.989 --> 00:01:26.030 all that you teach Bring a clear wholesome message 00:01:26.030 --> 00:01:28.109 that cannot be condemned and then your critics 00:01:28.109 --> 00:01:30.450 will be embarrassed with nothing bad to say about 00:01:30.450 --> 00:01:37.219 us So when I come up with this title of integrity, 00:01:37.659 --> 00:01:40.420 again, not to give anybody a big head, but this 00:01:40.420 --> 00:01:42.579 is something me and Amanda's talked about before. 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:45.859 We've actually had this conversation a few times 00:01:45.859 --> 00:01:49.819 that you two have been probably the most Christ 00:01:49.819 --> 00:01:52.959 -like people that we have been around. And I 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:55.939 don't tell people that or don't have these conversations 00:01:55.939 --> 00:01:59.799 that often, but that's just true. We've talked 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:04.540 about this several times. And one reason we say 00:02:04.540 --> 00:02:11.599 that is just with I Don't think I've ever heard 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:16.419 you guys talk a bad word about anybody At any 00:02:16.419 --> 00:02:19.039 time even though there's been opportunities at 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:23.479 times I've never we've never heard that and so 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:27.379 when I thought integrity Randy's the first person 00:02:27.379 --> 00:02:31.240 that came to mind as far as Men that I've been 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:36.460 around And so that's kind of why I wanted to 00:02:36.460 --> 00:02:39.759 do the podcast with you on this one to set the 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:42.360 whole stage up again not to give you a big head 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:47.879 and That's not going to work in this room but 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:53.159 I Have the mic so I can say what I want to Granted 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:57.719 he has a mic too. He's just being quiet And this 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:00.039 one, he's done warned me that, you know, he may 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:02.319 not say anything, but I'm hoping we can get him 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:06.099 to open up a little bit. But so I'll just start 00:03:06.099 --> 00:03:08.560 with a question and we'll just roll from that. 00:03:08.979 --> 00:03:11.819 In your personal opinion, when you hear the word 00:03:11.819 --> 00:03:15.460 integrity, what do you think of? To me, integrity 00:03:15.460 --> 00:03:24.219 would be where you're, you try to do what's right. 00:03:26.300 --> 00:03:29.259 Be it good for you, bad for you, but you try 00:03:29.259 --> 00:03:36.199 to do what's right. And as far as me personally, 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:44.020 where it came from, it'd be my family, up to 00:03:44.020 --> 00:03:49.979 a point. Because they always had me in church. 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:55.639 The doors were open when we were there. And my 00:03:55.639 --> 00:04:00.340 grandfather was very old school, but he always 00:04:00.340 --> 00:04:04.300 maintained that nobody is better than you are, 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:08.560 but you're no better than anybody else. And he 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:13.500 always said that to me or either one of my brothers. 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:19.660 And, you know, my dad, I never really heard him 00:04:19.660 --> 00:04:27.189 say anything bad about anybody. He was just like, 00:04:27.189 --> 00:04:30.509 this is what we're going to do, and it's because 00:04:30.509 --> 00:04:36.730 it's a good thing to do. To me, it's trying to 00:04:36.730 --> 00:04:47.990 do right, is what it is. I guess in today's world, 00:04:48.750 --> 00:04:53.949 it's hard to find people who don't talk about... 00:04:53.899 --> 00:04:56.439 I guess, where we've grown up, it's a lot of 00:04:56.439 --> 00:05:00.379 gossip and pointing out everybody else's flaws. 00:05:02.379 --> 00:05:04.899 It's difficult to find people who don't do that. 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:09.480 Well, you don't live here, so I have to be honest 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:15.459 with you. You know, I'm not, I don't do that 00:05:15.459 --> 00:05:18.519 a lot, but there have been occasions when I have. 00:05:19.379 --> 00:05:22.939 But it's because it was like, they didn't do. 00:05:23.129 --> 00:05:25.529 what was the right thing to do. And a lot of 00:05:25.529 --> 00:05:28.790 times that brings that out in me. I can't stand 00:05:28.790 --> 00:05:35.110 inconsiderate people. And most people try to 00:05:35.110 --> 00:05:37.509 be, but it seems to me like there are so many 00:05:37.509 --> 00:05:40.430 people, whether you're driving, whether you're 00:05:40.430 --> 00:05:43.029 walking through Walmart, whatever you're doing, 00:05:44.310 --> 00:05:47.490 it's like people have no consideration for anybody 00:05:47.490 --> 00:05:51.110 else except them. They're the only person in 00:05:51.110 --> 00:05:55.649 the world. And that rubs me so wrong, and you 00:05:55.649 --> 00:05:58.410 can ask Gale about that. That just really tears 00:05:58.410 --> 00:06:10.610 me up. So it does happen. I'm human. I've been 00:06:10.610 --> 00:06:18.410 around a long time. It happens. But it is what 00:06:18.410 --> 00:06:21.459 it is. Well, you said something a while ago in 00:06:21.459 --> 00:06:24.819 that I have a quote written down here about Integrity 00:06:24.819 --> 00:06:27.360 is not perfection. It's alignment when who I 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:30.560 am privately matches who I am publicly and You 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.279 opened up a while ago by saying it's doing the 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:35.899 right thing good whether that's good or bad for 00:06:35.899 --> 00:06:40.639 you Yeah, and I think it's easy to have integrity 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:45.740 When it's good for you But when it can affect 00:06:45.740 --> 00:06:50.290 you negatively You know, it's tough. That's a 00:06:50.290 --> 00:06:56.730 tougher it is tough. I mean I Don't know how 00:06:56.730 --> 00:07:00.149 to explain it's just it's hard to do you know 00:07:00.149 --> 00:07:04.370 in I'm not anywhere near perfect. So, you know, 00:07:04.509 --> 00:07:08.670 but still It's it's a very hard thing. It becomes 00:07:08.670 --> 00:07:15.060 a lot harder being But One thing I said well 00:07:15.060 --> 00:07:17.339 ago is I said, you know, my parents, you know, 00:07:17.379 --> 00:07:22.860 my family, up to a point. And that point came 00:07:22.860 --> 00:07:33.379 with Gail. She's as good as they get. And she's 00:07:33.379 --> 00:07:36.500 always telling me that, you know, Will, this, 00:07:36.860 --> 00:07:39.660 you know, they can't help it. They were thinking 00:07:39.660 --> 00:07:42.079 of something. You know, she's always kind of. 00:07:42.139 --> 00:07:46.720 pulling me back where I need to be. And to be 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:50.100 totally honest with you, she probably saved me 00:07:50.100 --> 00:07:56.500 from a life of junk and just made it, I mean, 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:59.500 turned it around in a heartbeat. Just like that. 00:08:00.540 --> 00:08:04.779 Yep. Well, you mentioned you learned a lot of 00:08:04.779 --> 00:08:06.959 this from your dad and stuff like that. Can you 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:09.779 remember like your first moment of learning kind 00:08:09.779 --> 00:08:15.180 of what integrity was or? Was that a I guess 00:08:15.180 --> 00:08:17.459 was that a word that was used or just something 00:08:17.459 --> 00:08:20.120 that was just kind of instilled It was not a 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:23.279 word that was used. It was an action Mm -hmm, 00:08:23.579 --> 00:08:26.300 and you just kind of you know, like we all do 00:08:26.300 --> 00:08:31.160 I guess start to mimic things, you know Influences 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:33.840 that come from family members or wherever and 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:38.559 it's just things that happened That you just 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:41.919 you don't remember them You know, nobody sat 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:45.240 me down and said, do this, this, this. It's just, 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:50.100 this is what he did. And, you know, like I said, 00:08:50.700 --> 00:08:55.379 it just, I mean, back then it was little things. 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:04.120 You know, we worked in tobacco and we'd work 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:06.059 early in the morning and maybe we'd get done 00:09:06.059 --> 00:09:10.600 early one day. So. My grandfather says, okay, 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:12.360 we're going to go over to someone so we can help 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:18.120 them. I'm like, why? Because that's what we do. 00:09:18.740 --> 00:09:20.539 You know, we said, you know, if we can help them, 00:09:20.620 --> 00:09:23.480 we'll go help them. And then time may come that 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:26.179 they come down and help us if we need help. So 00:09:26.179 --> 00:09:31.139 it's just, that's the way you do it. And you 00:09:31.139 --> 00:09:36.580 can refer into a Bible verse, I'd refer to, you 00:09:36.580 --> 00:09:44.419 know, Want to say it's John where it's like when 00:09:44.419 --> 00:09:50.320 you first hear about Do unto others as you have 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:54.659 them yeah and Gail's heard me quote that before 00:09:54.659 --> 00:09:58.860 saying you know that that's that's what you Ought 00:09:58.860 --> 00:10:02.659 strive for that's what I try for is make sure 00:10:02.659 --> 00:10:05.419 that what I do I wouldn't mind having it done 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:14.259 How do you and I know there's generational differences 00:10:14.259 --> 00:10:18.019 but I look at the World that we have today and 00:10:18.019 --> 00:10:21.059 it seems like this is kind of like a lost concept 00:10:21.059 --> 00:10:30.460 in Some like in the younger What's your perception 00:10:30.460 --> 00:10:36.279 or your perspective how do you get it back and 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:46.200 maybe you see I still think there's more good 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.679 people out there than there is bad people. And 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.539 if there is, then there's more people with integrity, 00:10:53.899 --> 00:10:56.820 or at least trying to have integrity, than there 00:10:56.820 --> 00:11:03.340 are those that aren't. News is news. Being nice 00:11:03.340 --> 00:11:09.220 does not news. Most definitely. It always has, 00:11:09.340 --> 00:11:13.440 except when I was growing up, there wasn't but... 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:17.620 Three channels and you can't get but two of them 00:11:17.620 --> 00:11:23.120 and you know, it was and You know, it's just 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:27.860 you weren't really watching TV like you do today 00:11:27.860 --> 00:12:04.740 Too many other things to do I guess because older 00:12:04.740 --> 00:12:08.320 I get the more I want to learn yeah, and and 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:10.440 I don't guess I don't guess most people feel 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:13.759 that way but the older I get the more I want 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:17.850 to learn and It's, I mean, it's right there. 00:12:20.669 --> 00:12:24.370 I'm not on the phone as much probably as I used 00:12:24.370 --> 00:12:27.389 to be, but I still get on there quite a bit. 00:12:27.549 --> 00:12:34.409 But it's YouTube or it's Pinterest or certain 00:12:34.409 --> 00:12:38.370 subjects I want to see about. Maybe I want to 00:12:38.370 --> 00:12:42.279 learn how. Chains are built on a lawnmower that 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:45.500 I have no clue how to do, but then I can watch 00:12:45.500 --> 00:12:52.059 it and I know how to do it so There's good and 00:12:52.059 --> 00:12:55.200 bad and about anything If they'd never invented 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:58.820 TV, we'd probably be a lot better off but anything 00:12:58.820 --> 00:13:03.519 now is instantaneous. Yeah and And you're aware 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:06.700 of things that when I was growing up you were 00:13:06.700 --> 00:13:13.279 not aware of whatsoever. None So it's good and 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:15.820 bad in any of it, I guess. That's true. That's 00:13:15.820 --> 00:13:20.980 very true. So when I think of integrity, one 00:13:20.980 --> 00:13:23.460 of the things I think of is about, especially 00:13:23.460 --> 00:13:26.120 as men, is like keeping your word. When you say 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:29.299 you're going to do something, I forget to, I've 00:13:29.299 --> 00:13:32.200 heard say this, maybe it's, I don't know, about 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:34.960 letting your yes be a yes, let your no be a no 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.860 kind of idea. say you're going to do something, 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:41.299 then don't follow through it. Do you think that's 00:13:41.299 --> 00:13:45.740 still a big deal today as far as keeping your 00:13:45.740 --> 00:13:48.399 word to it? And do you think that applies to 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:53.100 or ties in with integrity? Well, I think it does 00:13:53.100 --> 00:14:02.899 in with integrity, but people have good intentions. 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.539 I have good intentions. I don't always follow 00:14:06.539 --> 00:14:11.279 through on them. I have good intentions. It's 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:14.620 with like you or Amanda, if I tell you I'll do 00:14:14.620 --> 00:14:17.340 something, you let me know when and I will be 00:14:17.340 --> 00:14:24.659 there. And I guess it's that way at church nowadays 00:14:24.659 --> 00:14:29.080 too, wouldn't you think so? Usually at church 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:31.220 right now, nowadays, if I think that something 00:14:31.220 --> 00:14:34.620 that needs to be done, I don't usually call anybody. 00:14:34.860 --> 00:14:38.840 I have a bad habit of saying, I'll take care 00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:47.620 of it. And I usually do. But back to your question, 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:53.899 it has to do with integrity. It's part of it. 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.840 But there are a lot of people with good intentions, 00:14:58.860 --> 00:15:04.110 but they have very little time anymore. Know 00:15:04.110 --> 00:15:08.210 that feeling I mean really I mean You know people 00:15:08.210 --> 00:15:11.509 your age. I don't see how they make it. I Really 00:15:11.509 --> 00:15:14.350 don't because I mean there's so much stuff to 00:15:14.350 --> 00:15:18.870 do in so little time. Mm -hmm It's in Gail. We're 00:15:18.870 --> 00:15:21.409 probably attest to this. We're both retired. 00:15:21.409 --> 00:15:24.049 We're like how in the world did we ever work? 00:15:25.450 --> 00:15:30.789 Because we stay busy 24 7 and we don't have jobs 00:15:30.789 --> 00:15:35.669 don't have jobs It's all the time something in 00:15:35.669 --> 00:15:44.389 again. Yes, I mean it just is It's kind of like 00:15:44.389 --> 00:15:48.990 what we were talking about Earlier we don't have 00:15:48.990 --> 00:15:51.289 anything on our calendar next week the next thing 00:15:51.289 --> 00:15:54.990 we know our calendar school. Mm -hmm We didn't 00:15:54.990 --> 00:16:02.110 have any plans didn't have any plans Yes make 00:16:02.110 --> 00:16:03.990 grumble all the time, but we still take care 00:16:03.990 --> 00:16:10.769 of it. Okay, so I'm just curious, I'm playing 00:16:10.769 --> 00:16:13.129 the other side for a minute, if you was to flip 00:16:13.129 --> 00:16:16.330 that and let's say, because we know you two are 00:16:16.330 --> 00:16:19.490 heavily involved in your church, if you was to 00:16:19.490 --> 00:16:23.950 be the one to say, yes, we'll take care of it, 00:16:23.950 --> 00:16:27.470 but never follow through with it, what kind of 00:16:27.470 --> 00:16:30.289 response do you think you would get from people? 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:35.440 in that regard. Because I know there's people 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:39.960 out there that do that. Well, as you said, starting 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:44.240 this off, I don't have a big head, but a lot 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:47.879 of stuff we do people don't know about. They 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.360 don't know we do it, do they? They have no clue. 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:53.320 They just know it got done. They don't know who 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.519 did it. They don't have a clue. Yep. So I don't 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:01.110 think I can answer that question. I didn't know 00:17:01.110 --> 00:17:03.549 I don't know what they don't know what would 00:17:03.549 --> 00:17:07.029 be said, but it just we haven't hit that ever 00:17:07.029 --> 00:17:13.269 so I don't I don't know what no no just curious 00:17:13.269 --> 00:17:21.190 This is gonna go back to earlier when you you're 00:17:21.190 --> 00:17:45.799 talking about in here Give you an example I was 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:49.880 about 11 years old had a BB gun. I was always 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:57.259 told don't shoot anything alive So one day I 00:17:57.259 --> 00:18:00.369 shot one of my grandma's guineas didn't kill 00:18:00.369 --> 00:18:05.369 it, but it broke its leg. So I thought, well, 00:18:05.410 --> 00:18:07.369 they were all there at the back of the barn working, 00:18:07.450 --> 00:18:11.910 and I was just up there. And I cried all the 00:18:11.910 --> 00:18:13.430 way to the back of the barn, because I had to 00:18:13.430 --> 00:18:15.769 tell grandma that I shot one of her guineas. 00:18:16.210 --> 00:18:22.730 I told her. And she said, basically, you know, 00:18:22.809 --> 00:18:25.589 you shouldn't have done that. I said, yep. I'm 00:18:25.589 --> 00:18:29.460 sorry, but I did it. She said, okay, so we'll 00:18:29.460 --> 00:18:32.880 have guinea pie for dinner tomorrow night. So 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:38.619 she took the sting away and my grandpa always 00:18:38.619 --> 00:18:43.440 called me Abe. Abraham Lincoln according to him 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:48.859 because I'd rather, I'd tell him the truth even 00:18:48.859 --> 00:18:59.009 if it got me a spanking. But, you know, if you're 00:18:59.009 --> 00:19:02.150 doing it right for what you want, you know, you're 00:19:02.150 --> 00:19:04.210 doing it because you want to do something right 00:19:04.210 --> 00:19:06.630 and you tell the truth about something, good 00:19:06.630 --> 00:19:09.470 or bad, if you're telling the truth, you usually 00:19:09.470 --> 00:19:16.630 come out on the better end. Yep. Oh, I'm not 00:19:16.630 --> 00:19:21.930 smart enough to do that. It gets complicated 00:19:21.930 --> 00:19:24.799 in a hurry. but it's it's interesting because 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:31.480 especially with us having these three um i'm 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:34.240 trying to not we see both sides of the industry 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:37.440 and stuff when you have the kids to do something 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:42.200 not everybody's gonna do that hey this is what 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:47.079 i did um do you go and do you think of something 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:52.039 that was instilled in you growing up as far as 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:56.740 you always just I think it was one of those things 00:19:56.740 --> 00:20:01.180 where I learned the hard way. Did I be better 00:20:01.180 --> 00:20:06.279 off telling the truth? Yeah, because if I found 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:08.599 out I didn't tell them the truth, then I'd really 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:37.849 have problems. their reactions the girls more 00:20:37.849 --> 00:20:41.670 so than Aiden but there's time that they do something 00:20:41.670 --> 00:20:44.289 wrong they're afraid to come tell me about it 00:20:44.289 --> 00:20:46.029 because they're afraid of the response they're 00:20:46.029 --> 00:20:49.369 going to get because there was a previous time 00:20:49.369 --> 00:20:53.000 not too long ago that I feel like I would have 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:55.700 flipped my wheel a little bit quicker. And so 00:20:55.700 --> 00:21:00.720 now I'm seeing their ability and Amanda helped, 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.579 you know, just telling what you did and whatever. 00:21:03.619 --> 00:21:08.799 And when they get that, it's okay response. They're 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:11.140 more apt to continue telling me, because that's 00:21:11.140 --> 00:21:14.099 what I want as they grow up. But especially as 00:21:14.099 --> 00:21:16.319 Kaylin, if she becomes a teenager, I want them 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:19.460 to come to me when they have these issues and 00:21:19.460 --> 00:21:23.380 be kind of like the honest Abe mentality of, 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:27.720 yeah, I did this and it might hurt on the other 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:31.339 end, but that's what you want. So it's like, 00:21:31.500 --> 00:21:36.720 how do you, how do you instill that into your 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:41.279 kids to not make them run? Cause I feel like 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:46.480 me growing up, I had the more of the idea of 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:48.960 I'm going to go run and hide instead of can tell 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:51.940 you what I did. Because I didn't know what the 00:21:51.940 --> 00:21:55.859 response was going to be. If that makes any sense. 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:00.299 Yeah. Well, you got to start early as far as 00:22:00.299 --> 00:22:05.440 kids. And I've heard Gail on several occasions 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:10.579 explaining that if you don't tell me the truth, 00:22:11.019 --> 00:22:15.519 I can't fix what's wrong. Yes. And if you don't 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:18.319 tell me the truth, then I don't know when to 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:22.759 believe you. ever. Yeah. That if, you know, something 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:25.859 could be very, very wrong, but do I believe you? 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:29.519 Or are you telling me another lie? You know, 00:22:30.259 --> 00:22:33.079 and, and Gail makes that plain. She makes it 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:37.380 plain and simple that we don't, we don't do that. 00:22:37.380 --> 00:22:41.059 Yeah. Because it's, you, nobody can help you 00:22:41.059 --> 00:22:45.000 if they can't believe you. So. That's a good 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:52.700 point. Very good point. When have you felt your 00:22:52.700 --> 00:22:59.700 integrity tested the most? If you can think of 00:22:59.700 --> 00:23:24.970 a time. I'm sure it has a whole lot, but I don't, 00:23:24.970 --> 00:23:29.569 don't really know right off hand being quite 00:23:29.569 --> 00:23:39.410 frank. I don't, don't know for sure. So just 00:23:39.410 --> 00:23:43.450 to give you a heads up. So I'm trying to do this 00:23:43.450 --> 00:23:46.150 a couple of these episodes in about 30 minutes, 00:23:46.289 --> 00:23:47.650 keeping on 30 minutes. We've already been talking 00:23:47.650 --> 00:23:53.250 23 minutes. So that actually It goes by really 00:23:53.250 --> 00:24:01.930 fast when you just start talking. We'll do a 00:24:01.930 --> 00:24:06.490 couple questions to start winding it down. And 00:24:06.490 --> 00:24:09.829 I think this is good for you as a dad and a rah 00:24:09.829 --> 00:24:17.769 -rah. How do you want your kids and grandkids 00:24:17.769 --> 00:24:28.019 to describe your character one day? I guess a 00:24:28.019 --> 00:24:30.059 follow -up would be how would you model that 00:24:30.059 --> 00:24:31.700 to make sure that's what they say about your 00:24:31.700 --> 00:24:42.500 character? Well probably on the way they'll ever 00:24:42.500 --> 00:24:53.000 be able to be the memories of so it'd be I Think 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:56.779 they'd probably say that I help whenever I can 00:24:58.879 --> 00:25:09.720 Always trying to teach something. That's a tough 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:24.180 question. You got any thoughts? Me? That wasn't 00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:28.269 very nice. Well, I think if I can demonstrate 00:25:28.269 --> 00:25:31.150 what was demonstrated to me, that would be the 00:25:31.150 --> 00:25:37.710 thing. That if I can explain in doing stuff with 00:25:37.710 --> 00:25:41.529 them that, you know, we don't do that, you know, 00:25:41.630 --> 00:25:43.869 and maybe if I have some sort of example why 00:25:43.869 --> 00:25:46.130 we don't, that'd be great, but usually all I 00:25:46.130 --> 00:25:53.170 do is we don't do stuff like that. Yeah. It's 00:25:53.170 --> 00:25:57.589 just, it's a teaching thing. So that would, oh 00:25:57.589 --> 00:26:00.970 lordy. You must have stayed up late trying to 00:26:00.970 --> 00:26:06.470 answer that question. I would hope they would 00:26:06.470 --> 00:26:09.569 think back when they get grown that yeah, he 00:26:09.569 --> 00:26:13.170 was a good guy. And that's, and I guess that's 00:26:13.170 --> 00:26:16.289 what I've always said that I'm not special, but 00:26:16.289 --> 00:26:19.750 I'm okay. And so if they can say that I was an 00:26:19.750 --> 00:27:05.410 okay guy, I'd be good. Um. Integrity or good 00:27:05.410 --> 00:27:11.930 example of that. Well, how would you? You didn't 00:27:11.930 --> 00:27:18.109 have an example for. If they were looking for. 00:27:19.890 --> 00:27:22.509 Which I'm assuming someone had to be looking 00:27:22.509 --> 00:27:26.720 for. what integrity was to figure out that they 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:33.460 needed something they don't have. Then it's find 00:27:33.460 --> 00:27:37.460 the place where it's comfortable. Find a person 00:27:37.460 --> 00:27:43.119 you're comfortable with and just stick like glue 00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:55.980 and it'll come out. You'll be able to tell. Because 00:27:55.980 --> 00:27:59.180 I kind of always look at things, you know, with 00:27:59.180 --> 00:28:02.539 people. Because I've been around all kinds of 00:28:02.539 --> 00:28:07.980 people, all types, good, bad, indifferent. But 00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:16.740 I kind of look at it like, okay, they're trying. 00:28:17.900 --> 00:28:21.019 And if God can forgive them, I don't have a problem 00:28:21.019 --> 00:28:24.700 forgiving them. So let's just take it from there 00:28:24.700 --> 00:28:29.000 and go. That's big. That's what you need to, 00:28:30.220 --> 00:28:31.680 that's what I would think somebody would need 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:35.839 to do is find a place where they're comfortable 00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:40.819 and then, and the person that they've watched 00:28:40.819 --> 00:28:42.859 for a while to make sure that's what they're 00:28:42.859 --> 00:28:46.720 wanting. And then it's just like taking on a 00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:50.799 mentor. Just go ahead and go. And learn from 00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.819 that person and learn from that person and then 00:28:53.819 --> 00:29:04.200 to The Bible is good As long as you don't try 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:09.779 to interpret everything You know read it for 00:29:09.779 --> 00:29:16.380 what it is But don't try to interpret step because 00:29:16.380 --> 00:29:19.430 whenever people try to interpret the Bible they're 00:29:19.430 --> 00:29:25.529 always doing it from their viewpoint. You can't 00:29:25.529 --> 00:29:28.410 do it that way because my viewpoint and your 00:29:28.410 --> 00:29:30.869 viewpoint are totally different. Totally different. 00:29:31.950 --> 00:29:35.730 Because that comes from your experiences in life 00:29:35.730 --> 00:29:42.789 and you can't do it. I don't say anybody can 00:29:42.789 --> 00:29:47.880 do it and interpret it without having their their 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:52.880 environment and whatever else Yeah, that's right 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:58.480 and and I think it's interesting to Some of the 00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.779 people I listen to and it's so true as far as 00:30:01.779 --> 00:30:05.420 church world goes in the Bible it's like Our 00:30:05.420 --> 00:30:08.140 culture has made the Bible a part of the Trinity 00:30:08.140 --> 00:30:13.619 And that's not where it was supposed to be It's 00:30:13.619 --> 00:30:17.410 not part of the Father Son Spirit it's It's good 00:30:17.410 --> 00:30:21.450 and you know, I love the Bible but I've seen 00:30:21.450 --> 00:30:23.730 the flip side of what kind of what you just said 00:30:23.730 --> 00:30:26.470 I've seen the flip side of the the church world 00:30:26.470 --> 00:30:28.309 where we can just take the scripture and beat 00:30:28.309 --> 00:30:32.750 people up with it and take the scripture and 00:30:32.750 --> 00:30:35.890 Again give your own bias to it and everything 00:30:35.890 --> 00:30:39.430 else and hurt people more than help people and 00:30:39.430 --> 00:30:43.529 that's yeah, that's just It's not a weapon to 00:30:43.529 --> 00:30:52.529 be used like that No, it's not. Probably if you 00:30:52.529 --> 00:30:56.750 looked at every holy book there has been written, 00:30:57.470 --> 00:31:01.650 okay, the Bible, the Koran, I can't remember 00:31:01.650 --> 00:31:03.769 some of the others, but you see what I'm saying 00:31:03.769 --> 00:31:07.609 is not books that man sit down and just wrote 00:31:07.609 --> 00:31:10.690 for somebody to read. And I'm talking about a 00:31:10.690 --> 00:31:14.180 religious book that's the center of a different 00:31:14.180 --> 00:31:22.819 religion most all of them probably um center 00:31:22.819 --> 00:31:32.519 on love and you know that's that's it you like 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:35.579 i said do unto others as you'd have to do and 00:31:35.579 --> 00:31:41.599 love that neighbor and i think your integrity 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:48.930 is pretty well intact Good point I'll ask question. 00:31:49.009 --> 00:32:32.730 I'll see how long you should do on this one I 00:32:32.730 --> 00:32:37.490 think you can stay true to yourself up to a point. 00:32:38.130 --> 00:32:46.890 Okay. When you get married, two become one. One, 00:32:47.230 --> 00:32:52.029 yeah. And so that self kind of gets a backseat 00:32:52.029 --> 00:32:58.849 because then it's sales. And they can be merged 00:32:58.849 --> 00:33:03.529 and work out fantastic. or somebody can try to 00:33:03.529 --> 00:33:11.829 hold on to theirs. And it goes like crazy. Staying 00:33:11.829 --> 00:33:16.190 true to yourself is if you've got a good concept 00:33:16.190 --> 00:33:22.769 of what, how you want life to be. And if you're 00:33:22.769 --> 00:33:28.289 single, then you can reach for that. But once 00:33:28.289 --> 00:33:31.430 you get married, then it's got to be a goal of 00:33:31.430 --> 00:33:36.119 both. And it's got to be, it can't be, it can't 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:41.119 be like your wife going to you and saying, okay, 00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:43.299 what are we gonna do with this, this, this, this, 00:33:43.299 --> 00:33:46.640 this, okay? And it can't be the husband going 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:48.099 to the wife saying, what are we gonna do with 00:33:48.099 --> 00:33:51.259 this, this, this, this, you know? And it goes 00:33:51.259 --> 00:33:55.660 more ways than one. It's got to kind of be a 00:33:55.660 --> 00:34:01.460 team in there. But to stay true to yourself. 00:34:04.860 --> 00:34:10.579 is know what your values are. Check those values 00:34:10.579 --> 00:34:16.820 against your religion, beliefs in God, and that 00:34:16.820 --> 00:34:20.980 type of thing. And if everything kind of gels, 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:25.579 then you can stay that course. Because you won't 00:34:25.579 --> 00:34:27.820 be interested in anything that'll take you off 00:34:27.820 --> 00:34:32.219 that course. If you don't have some sort of course, 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:34.670 then you're liable to say, well, Let's see what 00:34:34.670 --> 00:34:37.750 this does. Let's see what this one over here 00:34:37.750 --> 00:34:40.309 does. Hey, there's a new one I haven't tried. 00:34:40.329 --> 00:34:43.090 Let me try that. But if you've got your course 00:34:43.090 --> 00:34:48.630 and you know, like I said before, it jives with 00:34:48.630 --> 00:34:55.150 the path you're on and the religion that you're 00:34:55.150 --> 00:34:58.590 in. If all that is there, you won't be interested 00:34:58.590 --> 00:35:00.550 in it. Anything else? You'll know what you're 00:35:00.550 --> 00:35:08.110 about? Yep. That's good. I like that. That was 00:35:08.110 --> 00:35:10.670 a good answer. You know, you're stretching me 00:35:10.670 --> 00:35:15.789 a whole lot. I like this. See, it wasn't even 00:35:15.789 --> 00:35:18.750 that bad. This is the end of the show right here. 00:35:19.309 --> 00:35:20.949 This is the complete end. It wasn't even that 00:35:20.949 --> 00:35:26.110 bad. You didn't answer them. Well, you answered 00:35:26.110 --> 00:35:29.250 them with really good, again, not to build up 00:35:29.250 --> 00:35:31.550 anything, but you answered them with really a 00:35:31.550 --> 00:35:36.340 lot of wisdom. Again, I don't I don't see myself 00:35:36.340 --> 00:35:41.920 as having a lot of wisdom. Yeah You may not but 00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:46.800 we do and I say this I think I can speak for 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:50.659 both Amanda and I and speak to both of you that 00:35:50.659 --> 00:35:54.800 and I'm not the one to say how I feel a lot of 00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.440 times but It's it's it's a true statement for 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:01.099 me. Y 'all are two of the most Christlike people 00:36:01.099 --> 00:36:07.329 that I've ever encountered And it's that that's 00:36:07.329 --> 00:36:12.409 just from someone who's grown up in church, you 00:36:12.409 --> 00:36:15.550 know, given a different definition for me in 00:36:15.550 --> 00:36:20.969 my life. So it's a good one. That's that's why 00:36:20.969 --> 00:36:22.969 when I need to come up with integrity, I was 00:36:22.969 --> 00:36:25.630 like, you're a perfect person for that. So talk 00:36:25.630 --> 00:36:27.929 about that a little bit. So I appreciate you 00:36:27.929 --> 00:36:32.030 doing it very much so. You're welcome. Makes 00:36:32.030 --> 00:36:34.159 you think. It does.