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before time had a name. There was a garden, a

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place where heaven and earth walked as one. This

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is the Echoes of Eden, where we rediscover ancient

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roots and awaken to our eternal purpose. We do

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repairs, remodels, landscaping, basically upkeep

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for people's house. We're leaning it more of

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a ministry sense towards the people that are

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unable, or maybe they just don't have the money

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because everything costs so much now. Leaks,

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if you got leaks, it's caused issues, or maybe

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your porch has just been so weathered because

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you've been unable to maintain it. We'll come

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in and we'll see what we can do to help. Either

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freshen it up, alter it, rebuild new ones, whatever

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your budget is that we can help you get to. Alright,

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so how detailed are we doing this? Like when

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you say remodel and stuff like that, like how

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detailed are you trying to... We're not going

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to go in the whole house. If you've got a floor

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to discuss some weak spots, we'll go in and we'll

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fix those. Or maybe you want to put down a new

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flooring. We can do that. It's like small remodels.

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Yeah, patching holes and walls. No, if you want

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a new window installed in your house, that's

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not me. I have not began to try those on my house,

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so I'm not going to say that's my expertise.

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But we named it, we was looking for the name

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to show we can do a ride, a wide range of things.

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And some of the names I've come up with, a lot

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of them have already been tooken. So when I started

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looking for alternate ways of saying it, the

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one that came up was versatile. And I'm like,

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versatile? We're pretty versatile. You know,

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we can, we can do, I can do flooring, I can do

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tile work, I can do plumbing, I can do light

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electrical, like I can add an outlet or I can,

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you know, change switches. I can change a fixture

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in the ceiling. I may be calling you. Call me.

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I can do a lot. Unfortunately, you know, Can

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you add like exterior outlets? Mm -hmm. Oh, I

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may be calling you for that. I started recording

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by the way. I figured you had, but when you looked

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at it, that's why I was leaning in to get closer

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so it picks up really well. You did really good.

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You picked up on those signals. Yeah, I'm learning

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those because I've noticed... Oh, Lord, I forgot

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her name in the choir, but she gives her hand

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signals. Jennifer, yeah. Jennifer, and if you

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don't pick it up, then she's gonna give you a

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voice signal. Yes. And I still struggle trying

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to watch her, but I get caught up. When I play,

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I always make sure I can see her hands. Yes,

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you've got to watch them hands. And she makes

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it so hard to keep up with her and not get caught

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up in worshiping. I struggle a lot. I can see

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that. I do. When you get into that, because people

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don't know, but you do help with the lyrics and

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stuff. And I've been in those moments where if

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the spirit's moving, I'm taking the words off

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the screen. Like if you're focused on the screen,

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you are missing the point. Something else to

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step into this room and get your attention off

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that screen and get your attention on him. That's

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just one of my things. Oh, it gets me a lot.

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I have noticed last week, Barry doing hard fought

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hallelujah. Yes. I heard it. I heard his heart

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in it. And there was nothing. else I could focus

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on I just couldn't I tried and I'm like I gotta

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get back I gotta pay attention to this and it

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was still just Barry his heart just pouring out

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in his guitar and I'm like I give up I gotta

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just hear him and I gotta thank God for what

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he's doing through Barry yep and it was just

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amazing and then I had to go tell him about it

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because he's like oh we sounding pretty good

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back here and I'm like from out there from me

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your heart was just grabbing everybody because

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it was poor You couldn't avoid it. There's a

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difference when you sing from the heart and just

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sing the thing. Mm -hmm. My fault. You can tell

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when someone's doing it from... You can tell

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when someone's doing it from the heart versus

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I'm just doing this because I can. Mm -hmm. You

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can pick up on that in the room. Yeah. I think.

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Oh, I definitely know. I've seen it. So now that

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we're into the conversation, tell everybody about

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yourself. I think... everyone listen this is

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the third trial because of my computer equipment

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here but the third time yeah is a charm we got

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it tell me about yourself oh man I came from

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a wonderful loving home from two parents who

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did not understand what a home was they stuck

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together they're still together they've been

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married forty four years this year My father

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taught me everything about repairing, providing

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for yourself. If it breaks, don't be afraid to

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tear it apart and try to fix it. You know, you're

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either going to fix it or you're going to mess

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it up worse. You're going to create more problems.

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Yeah. And you just dive right in and hope for

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the best. I feel like I'm going to make more

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problems when I tear stuff apart. As we all do,

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especially when it's brand new and you don't

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know nothing about it. If you've never installed

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a garbage disposal, you'll see what I'm saying.

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It's a whole mess of things to get into. But

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once you've done it once, you're not so scared

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of it the next time. That's true. And it kind

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of goes the same with stepping out in faith.

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You might be afraid to reach out and pray for

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someone or to lay hands on and pray for them,

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but once you do it, you break that fear. Okay,

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I've done this before. I can do it. It's not

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dark to me no more. I've seen the light in there.

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I know where to find it. I've seen it. It touched

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you. That one touched you. I've seen it light

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you up. You have no idea. I'm going to feed it.

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I'm going to feed that one inside of me. For

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everyone listening, we actually have a back -to

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-school service that we're doing tonight. We're

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recording this earlier. And that's actually my

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messages on being in light and the darkness.

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So you're just hitting on things that you don't

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even know that's in my notes from us just sitting

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in here talking. That's just that's crazy, but

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it We're commanded to do those things. Yeah,

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like I think we get into a point of At least

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have this how it was when I was growing up of

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we just have to invite everybody to church because

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the church is When we get them into the building,

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the pastor can do his thing and we'll be good

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to go. Yeah, our job was complete at that point.

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But we're actually the ones who are supposed

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to be the church out there and go when we see

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them in the wheelchairs or whatever to say, hey,

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let me pray for you. Me and Amanda actually had

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this conversation last night because you hear

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a lot of church people say, well, let me pray

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about it or if God tells me to do something,

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I'll go do it. But didn't he already tell us

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to go lay hands on the stick? Like, we're waiting

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for a word. Is that just us covering up our fear

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of what if this don't work? What if it does?

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What if it does? You missed that opportunity.

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And I think, you know, I may have told y 'all

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this story. I don't remember, but I want to say

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mention the conference. But there's Todd White

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who has a lot of videos of praying over people.

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He told his testimony one time about he When

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I think it was either five or ten people a day

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his goal was to pray over and He would go home

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and write in a journal the people that he prayed

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for But he never saw anything happen But he said

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he went back to the same scriptures believe in

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the mark where it talks about they shall lay

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hands on the sick And they will recover and that

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verse never changed No, regardless of what he

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saw with his natural eyes that verse stayed the

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same I think he said he did this for about six

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months before he ever saw his first miracle happen

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in front of him. Yeah. But how many times do

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we get caught up with first time I prayed, I

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didn't see nothing happen, second time, nothing

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happened. So maybe this changed things for me.

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I struggle with remembering. I know I struggle

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with remembering. I know if someone come up to

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me and be like, Hey, can you pray for me or can

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you pray for this person or can you pray over

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this situation? I have to write them. And a lot

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of people, even Pastor Jeff said he has to do

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it right then because he knows we'll forget.

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In 10 minutes something else has been distracted

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him or he's working on and he'll forget it. Yeah.

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So I think it is very important that when it

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comes right then it's brought to your attention.

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Do it immediately. You know the same with if

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you're led to buy somebody's meal or offer gas

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or give them a ride. Do it immediately, because

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if you don't, God's going to look for someone

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else to step in and do it, in that place. Because

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it's something that He knows and He's done. He

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has a purpose behind it. And I always try to

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keep that in the back of my head. Do it immediately.

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Don't wait. Did you act on it then? Don't wait

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five minutes, five hours? Because maybe there's

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an opportunity that's in front of you now that

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may not be there. five minutes from now. Maybe

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there's an opportunity for that individual now,

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that you're the one that he has in their crossways

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right now that's listening for his voice. I know

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I've been in moments like, is that God, or is

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that... Like, if I'm going to come up with this,

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probably not. This has got to be God in this

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moment. And I've learned to ask questions, so

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like if I'm... Even with the teenagers, if I'm

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feeling something, I'm going to ask questions,

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well, do you feel this way? Or does this make

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sense to you if I say it? And if they say yes,

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then I know to continue pursuing it. If I miss

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it, we're all human, we can miss it. But I think

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you've got to be obedient to step out. Which

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I think, I don't really care, we'll get to notes

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or whatever, but our whole theme was supposed

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to be servant leadership. And tough and tender

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like Jesus, this is exactly what we're talking

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about. serving other people. Well, how? One of

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those ways is praying for them. Exactly. You

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are being Christ to that person. You're a representation

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of heaven in that moment. Like, how important

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is that? I learned recently this year about interceding.

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I never know what interceding was. I mean, if

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you had mentioned interceding, I know what it

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is, but I never realized that spiritually, You

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intercede for people. When you pray for someone,

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you're praying for them, and you're adding to

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their prayer, or you're praying in place of them.

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Because they may not have the power. They may

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not have the knowledge. They just may not have

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the will. And you're doing it for them. And Jesus

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does that for us. Constantly. And we are to be

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interceders for others. We were given a Holy

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Spirit, and He is called in the Bible an interceder.

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He intercedes for you. Well, you think about,

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and I've heard growing up in church and stuff

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that I've heard even pastors and ministers say

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this kind of thing about, well, if someone don't

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have the faith for it, then it may not happen.

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But then you have Lazarus. Lazarus is dead. What

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kind of faith does he have to get out of the

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grave? Exactly. But you've got Jesus who's saying,

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get up. Yeah, He had enough faith and He interceded

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for Him and called Him back out of the grave.

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It tells us that we can have that kind of faith

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too, even if you don't believe for it. I believe

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God can do it for you and show you just who He

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is to you. I believe if you want to come out

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of the wheelchair, I believe God can make that

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happen to reveal His goodness to you and make

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your life turn around. Yeah. You think about

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the two young people we got in the hospital we're

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praying over. They don't have the faith right

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now to deal with it. They're relying in that

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situation on our faith and our prayers to see

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this happen. To call healing into them and to

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bring them closer to God when they're not able

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to speak. We're able to speak for them. And that's

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part of being a servant. Speaking, going for

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others when they're not able. And so you think,

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so this was one of the scriptures I'd sent to

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you, if you look at it in John 13, and I'll read

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it for everybody. It says, this is verse 3, Now

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Jesus was fully aware that the Father had placed

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all things under his control, for he had come

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from God and was about to go back to be with

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him. So he got up from the meal, took off his

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outer robe, took a towel and wrapped it around

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his waist, poured water into a basin, and began

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to wash the disciples' feet. Like this is Jesus

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we're talking about. Creator of everything was

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there in the beginning, with Father and Spirit,

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all things created through Him, by Him. This

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is Jesus. And it clearly says, fully aware that

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the Father placed all things under His control.

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Like if anybody can sit on His high stool and

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say, you will serve me, He could do it. But instead,

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straps a towel around him and kneels down in

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front of 30 feet and begins to wash them. They're

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the ones that constantly looked at him as knowing

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what power he had. Yes. He knew his power. They've

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watched him. They've walked with him. I watched

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that yesterday when we watched the season 5 code

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and that was in there. And they fought with him

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about it. Which I can understand when I watched

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it. I could see... I would struggle with that

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too, like how would I let someone like my father,

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even if like my biological father washed my feet

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at my age, I would still struggle with is it

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right. Now I understand now because I'm wiser

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why he done it to teach them to be, to realize

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that even as high as you can be, you're still

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not as powerful as God. You're still under Him.

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But when you pick other people above you, and

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you lift others up above you, you're bringing

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them closer to Him, and He sees you for it, and

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knows what your heart is doing it for. And you

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just think about that whole mentality from that,

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even to our conversation with healing people.

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If you watch, have y 'all watched about five

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seasons of The Chosen? Okay, so you've seen the

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moments where he's coming back from healing everybody,

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and you can tell his body is just devout. It's

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the same principle. He has given of himself,

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worn himself out by healing numerous people,

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some that may never get what happened. They may

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not fully understand. I forget what story is

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in the Bible where he killed a blind man. and

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the Pharisees are asking, well, who healed you?

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I don't know. We need to know who healed you.

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All I can tell you is I was blind and now I can

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see. This is the same. He doesn't do it for this

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fame. He doesn't do it for look at me. He's just,

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this is the heart of my father. I'm just doing

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exactly what I know he's created me to do. I'm

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doing exactly, I think he even says it, I don't

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do anything unless I see my Father do it. I don't

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say anything unless I hear Him say it. All of

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it is just nothing but servant. Truly. And when

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you say, you know, Him with the Father, what

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the Father wanted Him to do, there's the scripture

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that I had that I wrote down. and 20 he talks

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about sons the son can do nothing by himself

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he only sees what the father's doing whatever

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the father does the son also does for the father

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loves the son and shows him everything he is

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doing he is teaching Jesus by doing what he's

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teaching Jesus to do things and Jesus is doing

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it but because he knows the Father is with him

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and he's doing it with him. And Jesus was teaching

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his disciples, this is what the Father wants

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you to be like. He wants you to be humble enough

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that even with the power he gives you, that you're

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going to use it for righteousness, never for

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yourself. And when as a Father you step into

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your house and you do the same for your children

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and you teach them Through love to wash dishes.

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Through love to sweep the floor. Through love

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to clean your room. You set them on a mindset

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that it's no longer a punishment. It's work given

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to you by the Lord that'll help others put joy

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in others like your parents. But also you can

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do it and have a joyful spirit about it. 100

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% yeah, you know you don't always have to be

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wild either one happen to clean you You can get

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it around and be like, you know what? I'm gonna

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clean this for my parents so they don't have

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to They don't realize I did it. I'm just gonna

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clean it. I ain't even gonna say it was me Yeah,

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I'm waiting on my kids to do that But I know

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they will one day because every day when I see

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okay We take turns in the house. There's three

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adults in our house We take turns cooking. There's

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seven of us. We split cleaning. Sometimes you've

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got to delegate it to the kids. Like, hey, pause

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what you're doing, what you're enjoying yourself.

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Let's take time back to the home, clean the home.

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You enjoyed the meal. You didn't have to cook

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it. You can at least participate in cleaning

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it up as a sign of thankfulness for the meal.

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Be thankful that you had food to eat. Because

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we could have slapped together some hamburger

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and macaroni and cheese and tomatoes and just

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throw it in the pot and be like, enjoy. Yeah.

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But no, we take time and we make wholesome things.

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We try to make things that you like. We don't

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want to do pinto beans and pot roast every night

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because we know you don't like it. Yeah. We'll

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do chicken nuggets for dinner. I'm not a major

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fan, but I'll eat four or five. I'll suffer with

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it for a night to keep you happy. I know what

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you want, what you want. Exactly. And when it

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comes time to, I'm not saying I'm the pot roast

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lover. That's my wife. She loves pot roast. I'm

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more like, give me the steak. I'll eat hot dogs

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or I'll eat breakfast for dinner. I don't mind

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cooking all that. It's a lot of food to cook

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if you figure all the breakfast stuff. I don't

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mind doing it. I know they enjoy eating it so

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to me I get to see the joy of them being full

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on doing it, eating it, enjoying it when it comes

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time to clean up though. I need some help because

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it's a lot of food gotta cook. So true. I try

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to also teach them you know as you're doing things

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and you know you're making a mess don't be afraid

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to try to clean as you go stay focused on cooking

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because lord knows you walk away for two seconds

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you don't burn something yeah but when you know

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you're done making them go ahead and clean that

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touch your stuff back to where it's not cooking

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so fast and you're not rough yeah and generally

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when you can do things where you're not rushed

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they come out a lot better You know, if you're

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asked to sweep the floor in the kitchen, you

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sweep through it in a rush because you want to

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get back to your game. It's not going to come

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out that great. Your mom's probably going to

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make you come do it again because you missed

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half of it. Because you was in a hurry. If you

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just slow down and do it right the first time.

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Take a little time. Be thankful to get to do

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it. Most people don't have a floor. Kind of like

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porous in the hair. Slow and steady wins the

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race. Patience is very hard to learn, and it

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starts with parents. When you start learning

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to have patience with each other, then you become

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the bond of each other to have patience in your

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children. It makes it a lot easier. People are

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visual learners. Your children are visual learners.

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They hear, they see, they watch, they know. You

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must remember you're always teaching them. They're

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watching everything, even the things you don't

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say. They're watching and learning from you.

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They watch how you drive. That was a big one.

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You know, been a young guy, loved cars, had a

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passion for cars. I have a heavy foot. I learned

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a lot about control in a car. I can do a lot

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of idiotic things in a car that most people are

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like, you're stupid, don't do that. But to me,

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I wanted to know how to do it. I watched, you

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know, the crazy TV shows with car chases and

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the car sliding. I watched the drift racing.

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I wanted to know how to do it. Yeah. I didn't

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always pick the best location, you know. Our

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public roads is not for that. This is true. And

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I had to realize, okay, when I get in a road

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rage, I get in a hurry, and my kids are sitting

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in the car. They're learning it. They're watching.

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And... That was the first real wake up when I

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realized my kids were in the back cheering me

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on for doing something I know I shouldn't have

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been doing. That they may try to do one day.

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Yeah, that they thought was exciting and I'm

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teaching them to do it and they're already building

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a passion for it. I'm like, no, catch yourself.

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You're teaching them to do it. You got to stop.

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Teaching them what could be destructive behavior.

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What you know how to handle if one of the sons

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was to go out and try it without having your

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experience and know -how. could be destructive

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for them. Yeah, because I had a lot of close

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calls. Even if it was my fault or not, I had

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a lot of close calls. I mean, man, that could

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apply to... More than just driving. That could

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relationship. People have a lot of close calls

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in relationships. They could close call of either

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getting tore apart or get into a negative or

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bad relationship. And we were just talking about

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some of this earlier about, you know, we wouldn't

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talk some of this. Okay, so as men with, now

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I have a son, seven months, you got two boys,

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two girls, I got two girls. You think about even

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the relationship standpoint and they're not taught,

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and I think we've had this conversation too,

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they're not taught how to, what is a husband?

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What is the expectation? of the man in the home.

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What's the expectation of a dad? Like, these

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are things that was just kind of, in some ways,

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in no disrespect to my parents, was kind of like

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just figure it out. There was never, I don't

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remember anyone actually stepping away and teaching

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these things. So like even if you think about

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sex and stuff like that, that's not discussed

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in the church. And we've had, me and Amanda's

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had these conversations as the youth pastors

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and stuff, even in previous churches of, if we

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don't discuss it here and help explain to a young

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teenage boy who's got hormones raging, hey, it's

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normal. It's okay. There's a right way to do

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this. And there's a path. There's a path to take.

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We'll help you. But just jumping from bed to

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bed is not going to be your answer. And trying

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to figure it out on your own is not the way to

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do it because you're just going to make more

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mistakes, a bigger mess. But if we as men in

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the house, as dads, as husbands, if we as the

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church don't talk about these kind of topics,

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we're not doing the next generation any favors.

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No, we're just blindly leading the blind. Because

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if what we remain silent on, the world will be

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sure enough to help build them with anything

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and everything in between. Yeah, and not in a

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righteous way. Not in a righteous way. In the

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exact opposite. And you're going to have failed

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marriages, you're going to have just kids out

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of wedlock, broken homes, broken homes. How many

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young, okay, let's just be honest, how many young

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girls will have abortions because the boys they

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were with were not ready for all that. Stuck

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in what I've heard called the dude phase. It's

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a young boy. mentality of a young boy walking

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around in a grown man's body. And so she doesn't

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feel like she can raise the child, so now we

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have an abortion happening. Well, what does that

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do for that teenage girl who just had that? You

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don't think the enemy is going to use that at

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some point? Always going to try to drag the past

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on them. Do you remember what you did? Now you're

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trying to settle down, get your life right. What

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about that child you had many years ago that

00:26:24.329 --> 00:26:26.329
you had to let go because you weren't ready then?

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Yep. You were doing your own thing back then.

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And then we have guilt and shame. Two of the

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heaviest burdens people can carry. Very heavy.

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I don't wish them on anybody. Even a little bit

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of guilt. Because then what happens, you try

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to start feeling when that guilt shows up, the

00:26:46.009 --> 00:26:50.130
enemy starts, you can medicate this, you can

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drink your sorrows away, you can do all these

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different things, the enemy will try to help

00:26:54.130 --> 00:26:58.680
you deal with guilt. when the place you need

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to run to is the father's feet. Yeah, and get

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in his word. One of my things that I'm sure you

00:27:05.539 --> 00:27:08.460
feel the same way just hearing you talk is as

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a dad, if my kids mess up, I don't want them

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to run away from me. I want them to run to me.

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And that was something that took me and my wife

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to work together on for me to understand how

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to do it. Me and you both? I was blown away.

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It wasn't until I realized my kids will go to

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my wife before they will me. And at first, I

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kind of was. I still got to break some of that.

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That might be the way it's meant to be. Maybe

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it's supposed to be like that. In the beginning,

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I was bond to it. Then I'm like, wait a minute.

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When I try to talk to my kids about something,

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they get defensive or they're afraid to talk

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to me about it, there's something wrong. Let

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me go back and fix what I did wrong because I

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know I messed up somewhere. I'm still walking

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through some of that. And I realized that going

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back and trying to fix it was not happening.

00:28:02.630 --> 00:28:04.549
You're better off to start trying to fix it from

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that point. Just right here. Watching your reaction.

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The greatest thing I learned was patience. Don't

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react quick. This is, see this is the whole reason

00:28:16.170 --> 00:28:18.390
for by listening that I wanted to bring you on

00:28:18.390 --> 00:28:21.619
this podcast for me and because That right there

00:28:21.619 --> 00:28:23.599
is something you mentioned when we had the youth

00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:25.880
conference in the panel, and it just stuck with

00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:30.460
me about, you know, when your kids be kids and

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do something stupid, instead of reacting right

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then, which anger could sit in whatever, you

00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:42.220
have to sometimes walk away before coming back

00:28:42.220 --> 00:28:44.779
and addressing something. I feel like the devil

00:28:44.779 --> 00:28:47.880
tried to use that in the beginning with me years

00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:52.029
ago. My excuse was, when you hear my voice, I

00:28:52.029 --> 00:28:54.369
want instant reaction out of my kids. Yeah. For

00:28:54.369 --> 00:28:57.069
a safety thing. If you're running across a parking

00:28:57.069 --> 00:28:59.269
lot and you hear me scream, stop. There's a reason.

00:28:59.289 --> 00:29:00.730
You're going to react quick. You're going to

00:29:00.730 --> 00:29:06.890
panic. You're going to stop. And that's not the

00:29:06.890 --> 00:29:08.869
way you don't want your kids to react out of

00:29:08.869 --> 00:29:12.250
fear. Because fear reactions are uncontrolled

00:29:12.250 --> 00:29:15.750
reactions. 100%. You want fast, controlled reactions

00:29:15.750 --> 00:29:19.849
with your kids. So building the bond of trust

00:29:19.849 --> 00:29:28.130
calm reaction slow the anger Makes Positive reaction

00:29:28.130 --> 00:29:33.769
from your kids. Yeah, so when you're calm you're

00:29:33.769 --> 00:29:38.230
Generally easy going with your kids Then they

00:29:38.230 --> 00:29:40.750
know by the tone in your voice if it's serious

00:29:40.750 --> 00:29:43.829
or not. They don't have a negative reaction.

00:29:43.829 --> 00:29:48.109
They will go positively like That's my dad. Let

00:29:48.109 --> 00:29:49.890
me go see what he wants. Instead of being like,

00:29:49.950 --> 00:29:52.269
oh god, that's my dad. What does he want? Yeah.

00:29:52.609 --> 00:29:55.309
You can get a better reaction out of it and still

00:29:55.309 --> 00:30:00.609
get the same effect. You'll probably get it quicker.

00:30:01.109 --> 00:30:03.829
Yeah, because the positive attitude. Yeah. They

00:30:03.829 --> 00:30:06.930
will be quicker about it compared to being like,

00:30:07.049 --> 00:30:09.410
fear. Like, oh god, he screamed at me. What did

00:30:09.410 --> 00:30:11.910
I do wrong compared to, oh, thank you. He's calling

00:30:11.910 --> 00:30:15.640
me. He must have something great for me. Same

00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:17.740
thing works with our relationship with God. I

00:30:17.740 --> 00:30:20.859
was going to say, yeah, 100%. When He speaks

00:30:20.859 --> 00:30:24.640
to me, it's no longer I'm in trouble. It's, oh,

00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:26.599
He's answered my prayer. He's got something for

00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:28.460
me. This is what I've been praying for. Which

00:30:28.460 --> 00:30:31.559
one is it? Is it for Him to use me? Is it for

00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:35.779
somebody needs me? Is it for a word for the day

00:30:35.779 --> 00:30:40.099
for God or knowledge? Yeah. And I get excited

00:30:40.099 --> 00:30:43.500
when I hear Him. Because just like your best

00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:46.730
friend, You wait for them to call. If you ain't

00:30:46.730 --> 00:30:48.309
heard from them in a while, you're going to call

00:30:48.309 --> 00:30:50.589
them. Hey, are you OK? Because I ain't heard

00:30:50.589 --> 00:30:52.349
from you today. You ain't sleeping, are you?

00:30:52.349 --> 00:31:03.029
You feeling all right? And I seek him more when...

00:31:03.029 --> 00:31:09.230
How do I say it? I seek him more now through

00:31:09.230 --> 00:31:12.650
even little things than I ever did before. You

00:31:12.650 --> 00:31:15.619
know? Typical person seeks for the big things.

00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:18.039
You know, oh, I got a bad doctor for it. Oh,

00:31:18.220 --> 00:31:21.839
I got finance problems. I don't have to seek

00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:23.740
him through those because I know he's there.

00:31:24.220 --> 00:31:27.559
I only seek him through little things. You know,

00:31:27.859 --> 00:31:30.160
oh, last night something didn't sit right with

00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.119
me. Me and my wife were talking. We may not agree

00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:35.839
on that. How do I talk to her about how I feel

00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:39.619
without upsetting her? Or my child's dealing

00:31:39.619 --> 00:31:41.559
with a new experience that I've never dealt with.

00:31:42.099 --> 00:31:44.839
If I tell them what I'm thinking, they're not

00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.720
going to listen. Holy Spirit, how do you... Let

00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.920
me go talk to someone. Give me some wisdom here.

00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.339
Yeah, that knows about these things. And I've

00:31:54.339 --> 00:31:57.619
been told several times, go talk to an elder.

00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:00.599
Go seek this person who's an elder in your church

00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:03.119
or in your community. Because they'll have the

00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.079
advice to come. You're seeking out wisdom. God

00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:10.119
knows all, but sometimes... He wants you to pull

00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:12.460
it out of others to break that fear of talking

00:32:12.460 --> 00:32:15.099
to other people, seeking advice from other people.

00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:17.079
Well, I'm pretty sure not to look it up, but

00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:18.940
I'm pretty sure there's a scripture about seeking

00:32:18.940 --> 00:32:21.400
out wisdom. And there's wisdom in a multitude

00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:25.720
of counsels. Oh, I'm sure there's a lot of truth

00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:30.720
to that. I didn't realize this, but I was told

00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:34.099
this in something I was studying the other day

00:32:34.099 --> 00:32:36.380
that stuck to me and I had to write it down.

00:32:37.460 --> 00:32:41.920
The New Testament talks about anger over 200

00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:46.380
times. Talks about anger. I didn't know that.

00:32:46.740 --> 00:32:49.519
I didn't either. I mean, surely I know it talks

00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:51.279
about anger. You got to learn how to guide your

00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.140
anger. Yeah. Well, it even says be angry, send

00:32:54.140 --> 00:33:00.339
not. That was after Jesus, and 200 times after

00:33:00.339 --> 00:33:04.500
he had come and taught, they still have to teach

00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:11.220
people how to deal with anger. Yeah. And I think

00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:14.599
anger is one of the broadest doors you can invite

00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:19.059
sin in your house. Because anger leads to uncontrolling,

00:33:19.099 --> 00:33:21.519
without control. Then why else would it say be

00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:25.200
angry, sin not? Because what does anger open

00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:28.259
the door for? If you don't take those moments,

00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:30.720
like you said at the conference, if you don't

00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:37.339
take those moments to step away, And actually,

00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.039
like you said a while ago, how do I handle this

00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:43.460
situation? Instead of just being reactive to

00:33:43.460 --> 00:33:48.680
something and damaging a relationship or whatever

00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:50.700
because you flew off the handle and said something

00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:58.779
you didn't mean to say. What can open the door?

00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.960
What does anger open the door to? Negative, hurt.

00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:06.220
You slap the handle, smack somebody. So much

00:34:06.220 --> 00:34:07.740
things that you just don't want in your family.

00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:09.539
You don't want it in your home. You don't even

00:34:09.539 --> 00:34:14.739
want to welcome it around you. And patience is

00:34:14.739 --> 00:34:20.800
what defeats it. Anger is a normal emotion. Oh

00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.019
God, put that in it. You know. But it's how you

00:34:24.019 --> 00:34:27.019
deal with that emotion. Jesus had to deal with

00:34:27.019 --> 00:34:30.179
that when he turned over the table from the tavern.

00:34:30.780 --> 00:34:33.960
He was angry. for what they had turned it into,

00:34:34.460 --> 00:34:36.900
the trading and the selling and the buying and

00:34:36.900 --> 00:34:41.400
the cheating of people over money. He used anger.

00:34:42.139 --> 00:34:45.119
That is an emotional god -giver to use in righteousness,

00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:49.739
not in unrighteousness, unclean ways. Never supposed

00:34:49.739 --> 00:34:52.300
to use it in a point of actually harming people.

00:34:52.699 --> 00:34:55.420
So I'll mess with you now, just because I didn't

00:34:55.420 --> 00:34:57.039
know that was going to come up again, but it

00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:58.840
was actually in my notes too about when he goes

00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:03.150
into the temple, flips the table. and makes the

00:35:03.150 --> 00:35:04.849
comment, you know, you've made this a den of

00:35:04.849 --> 00:35:07.690
thieves. This is a house of prayer. I was reading

00:35:07.690 --> 00:35:09.530
and studying actually something this past week

00:35:09.530 --> 00:35:14.030
on that. And if you step back and really think

00:35:14.030 --> 00:35:15.889
about what's happening, because I've always heard

00:35:15.889 --> 00:35:18.670
it in our discussion before about you got churches

00:35:18.670 --> 00:35:21.630
that have coffee shops and bookstores. Well,

00:35:21.630 --> 00:35:25.449
they're making the den of thieves or whatever.

00:35:26.369 --> 00:35:27.969
If you look at what they were doing, what were

00:35:27.969 --> 00:35:32.329
they selling in the temple? Sacrifices. Sacrifices

00:35:32.329 --> 00:35:35.210
for what? Sin. Which means the only reason I

00:35:35.210 --> 00:35:37.570
was going to the temple was because I was conscious

00:35:37.570 --> 00:35:39.869
of sin that I committed and I need to go get

00:35:39.869 --> 00:35:43.090
a sacrifice for. And repent. And Jesus was basically

00:35:43.090 --> 00:35:45.110
saying, number one, he's the ultimate sacrifice.

00:35:46.510 --> 00:35:48.949
But number two is I never made you to be aware

00:35:48.949 --> 00:35:52.170
of your sin constantly. Because as long as you

00:35:52.170 --> 00:35:55.210
dwell on the sin, you're never going to focus

00:35:55.210 --> 00:35:59.019
on him. True. If you're only focused on, this

00:35:59.019 --> 00:36:01.000
is what I've done and I've got to clean up, you're

00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.099
never going to self -help yourself. You can't

00:36:03.099 --> 00:36:06.739
get past it. Just as Ray can't fix Ray, Chris

00:36:06.739 --> 00:36:09.760
can't fix Chris, we have to go to those moments

00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:13.039
and say, Holy Spirit, I've done something wrong.

00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.340
What is it? Show me what it is. So it was never

00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:22.059
about the whole money part of it. He's flipping

00:36:22.059 --> 00:36:24.280
tables and all this stuff in the temple because

00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:27.730
they have made this to be a sin -conscious environment

00:36:27.730 --> 00:36:31.750
to where people are so conscious of everything

00:36:31.750 --> 00:36:33.329
they've done wrong, that they've got to go to

00:36:33.329 --> 00:36:36.230
the temple to get a sacrifice. And I just want

00:36:36.230 --> 00:36:38.269
you to come to the temple for me. And they were

00:36:38.269 --> 00:36:40.969
charging astronomical for taxes. And then I want

00:36:40.969 --> 00:36:44.230
you to realize that you are the temple now. And

00:36:44.230 --> 00:36:46.150
I don't need you to focus on it. If you go back

00:36:46.150 --> 00:36:49.030
and read the Gospels and how Jesus interacted

00:36:49.030 --> 00:36:52.150
with people that he interacted with, he only

00:36:52.150 --> 00:36:56.269
ever tells them, follow me. and pulls them out

00:36:56.269 --> 00:37:00.050
of some of the darkest places. And did not have

00:37:00.050 --> 00:37:02.090
to address whatever they were dealing with. He

00:37:02.090 --> 00:37:07.610
just said, follow me. They did the whole interaction

00:37:07.610 --> 00:37:21.590
with Judah. I was kind of interested in watching

00:37:21.590 --> 00:37:27.429
it, but I kind of hold a don't get connected

00:37:27.429 --> 00:37:33.010
to it in my heart. And I know that's what the

00:37:33.010 --> 00:37:35.309
director wanted to do. He wanted to put it through

00:37:35.309 --> 00:37:38.769
what Jesus' disciples were dealing with at that

00:37:38.769 --> 00:37:43.909
time. And you got to remind yourself not to get

00:37:43.909 --> 00:37:46.789
entranced like this is someone's vision or thoughts

00:37:46.789 --> 00:37:49.349
of what they proceed to happen. In which he had

00:37:49.349 --> 00:37:51.530
a group of people come together for it. Absolutely.

00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:57.519
But when they got with Judas and Judas had so

00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:01.300
much guilt piled on him and Jesus could see it

00:38:01.300 --> 00:38:03.500
See it into his heart and he even told him several

00:38:03.500 --> 00:38:09.079
times in there. I had your heart before You you

00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:11.880
know, I don't have your heart now and even to

00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:14.940
the point Jesus has all this piled on him and

00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:18.960
Jesus is washing his feet How he kept from breaking

00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:23.679
I don't understand but I love how they just let

00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:28.719
it be seen. They never hid how much guilt Judas

00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.539
had on him in those times. Not just that, and

00:38:31.539 --> 00:38:33.920
I didn't pick up, I think Amanda sent me a video

00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:36.699
maybe last week or last about someone talking

00:38:36.699 --> 00:38:39.500
about Judas. I had to go back and read it because

00:38:39.500 --> 00:38:43.039
I was like, I don't remember hearing this, but

00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.980
if you look at how the disciples interacted with

00:38:45.980 --> 00:38:50.519
Jesus, they was all Lord, except for Judas. Judas

00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:54.260
called him teacher. Yes. So it's all about how

00:38:54.260 --> 00:38:59.179
do you see Jesus personally? Because everyone

00:38:59.179 --> 00:39:01.920
else in the room understood that he was Lord

00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:05.460
in that moment. He was Lord, period. But for

00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:08.579
some reason, you still only saw him as a teacher.

00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:16.260
Is that because he... I haven't read Judas all

00:39:16.260 --> 00:39:18.980
the way. I've only glanced through what's, you

00:39:18.980 --> 00:39:21.360
know, popped up or what I've been led to pull

00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:26.500
up and research or double back and check. I think

00:39:26.500 --> 00:39:29.079
he battled what a lot of people, even my wife,

00:39:29.300 --> 00:39:34.500
battle is they don't understand because the time

00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:38.440
frames are so different. Not only the fact that

00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:42.159
we battle the distractions, they never even thought

00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:44.579
about what would be in their distraction realm

00:39:44.579 --> 00:39:49.730
now. For us to see it back through third time,

00:39:49.949 --> 00:39:52.789
you really have to go back and realize they had

00:39:52.789 --> 00:39:56.269
nothing entertaining. Unless it was themselves

00:39:56.269 --> 00:39:59.809
singing and dancing, or if the community might

00:39:59.809 --> 00:40:01.889
have had something going on, like singing and

00:40:01.889 --> 00:40:04.550
dancing from a wedding. Generally, there was

00:40:04.550 --> 00:40:07.570
no entertainment back then. I can see that. He

00:40:07.570 --> 00:40:11.050
constantly loathed and bathed in that guilt.

00:40:12.690 --> 00:40:14.550
How it didn't break him, I don't understand.

00:40:16.510 --> 00:40:20.070
I still do not understand. I would have broke.

00:40:20.369 --> 00:40:27.090
I couldn't help it. Is this the same time when

00:40:27.090 --> 00:40:30.909
he looks at Judas and says, go do what you've

00:40:30.909 --> 00:40:36.170
got to go do? Yes. It's in John 13, isn't it?

00:40:36.530 --> 00:40:42.809
I believe so. Because he was trying to get Judas...

00:40:43.349 --> 00:40:47.710
Yeah, he was trying to get Jesus not to preach.

00:40:48.289 --> 00:40:50.309
It was in that whole period where he's washing

00:40:50.309 --> 00:40:54.289
the feet, and then after that, someone's going

00:40:54.289 --> 00:40:56.429
to betray me and all this. And he looks at Judas

00:40:56.429 --> 00:40:59.050
and says, go do what you've got to go do. And

00:40:59.050 --> 00:41:00.949
the other disciples didn't even pick up on what

00:41:00.949 --> 00:41:04.010
was happening. They thought, one of the notes

00:41:04.010 --> 00:41:06.969
I have somewhere talked about, they thought he

00:41:06.969 --> 00:41:08.369
was just going to go count the money like he

00:41:08.369 --> 00:41:11.389
typically does. They had no idea that he was

00:41:11.389 --> 00:41:15.260
the one. that Jesus was referring to. And Jesus

00:41:15.260 --> 00:41:18.659
never exposed him. Wouldn't, would not. Even

00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:20.739
when he was literally sitting right beside him,

00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:22.500
he never would expose him. Never, never exposed

00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:26.059
him. Other than, some theologians I've read say

00:41:26.059 --> 00:41:28.320
that John may have knew, because I know Peter

00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.840
asked John, because John's the one leading on

00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.380
the breast, and he says, ask him who's been a

00:41:33.380 --> 00:41:36.579
betrayer. And someone put that Jesus may have

00:41:36.579 --> 00:41:39.880
whispered, the one who did. The one I broke bread

00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:42.219
with. Broke bread with me. And so John may be

00:41:42.219 --> 00:41:46.139
the only person to know. I think it was James.

00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:49.980
I'd have to go back and watch it, but I thought

00:41:49.980 --> 00:41:54.159
it was James who told John, which is Simon, that

00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.699
it was Judas who he broke bread with. It could

00:41:56.699 --> 00:42:00.480
be. That's how it was portrayed in The Chosen.

00:42:00.579 --> 00:42:02.460
I know that, but I'm pretty sure it was James

00:42:02.460 --> 00:42:04.679
who he was talking to. I'd have to go back and

00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:10.489
read it, but it's just... still the fact that

00:42:10.489 --> 00:42:14.090
Jesus knew what was happening this whole time.

00:42:14.309 --> 00:42:16.429
Washing his feet and then tells him, go ahead,

00:42:16.489 --> 00:42:19.869
go do what you gotta go do. You gotta betray

00:42:19.869 --> 00:42:22.030
me, go ahead. When they, I know we've gotten

00:42:22.030 --> 00:42:24.909
way off between the teachers and servants. That's

00:42:24.909 --> 00:42:31.670
fine. When Jesus was praying at that time in

00:42:31.670 --> 00:42:36.739
the olive grove and He had John and all them

00:42:36.739 --> 00:42:39.280
watch for him. And he kept catching them sleeping.

00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.300
And there they portrayed him having the vision

00:42:43.300 --> 00:42:54.920
of the one who went to sacrifice his son. Abraham.

00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:59.500
When he went to sacrifice his son. And the son

00:42:59.500 --> 00:43:02.639
asked, he's like, Dad, we got the firewood. But

00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:04.480
we don't have the sacrifice. Where's the sacrifice?

00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:06.860
And Abraham and Elizabeth said, the Lord will

00:43:06.860 --> 00:43:10.219
provide the land. And I think they portrayed

00:43:10.219 --> 00:43:13.900
that great Jesus realizing, you're called to

00:43:13.900 --> 00:43:16.679
be this land. You're going to sacrifice yourself

00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:18.539
for these people. I need you to do this because

00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:21.739
nobody else is able. And from that point on,

00:43:21.739 --> 00:43:24.860
he did it with a grateful heart. He's like, OK,

00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:27.320
this is what I'm here for, for your people, for

00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:33.139
my people, for this church to sacrifice myself

00:43:33.139 --> 00:43:38.380
for. And that taught me sacrificing myself daily,

00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:44.019
denying what I want, for my kids I'm now teaching

00:43:44.019 --> 00:43:48.460
them. Yeah, you come home from school, you want

00:43:48.460 --> 00:43:50.099
to go do what you want to do, you want to relax.

00:43:50.260 --> 00:43:52.300
If it's playing your video game, or stop playing

00:43:52.300 --> 00:43:56.400
basketball, you know that. But when me and your

00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:00.219
mother are telling you, alright, before you do

00:44:00.219 --> 00:44:04.340
what you want to do, give time to God. Spend

00:44:04.340 --> 00:44:07.119
10 or 15 minutes. Thank him for, you know, you

00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:09.400
made it home safely from school. Yeah. Thank

00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:11.199
him that you come home to a house that has power,

00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:13.179
that has food in it, that has running water.

00:44:13.780 --> 00:44:16.019
You're able to make yourself something. You're

00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:17.940
not sitting here with a couple crumbs in the

00:44:17.940 --> 00:44:20.440
cabinet waiting on a parent who works three jobs

00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.300
to come home with whatever little leftover they

00:44:23.300 --> 00:44:27.420
can afford to share with you. Find things constantly

00:44:27.420 --> 00:44:30.860
to be thankful for. And the more you practice

00:44:30.860 --> 00:44:35.070
being humble, Practice showing that you're humble,

00:44:36.190 --> 00:44:41.170
the more things God blesses you with. So, if

00:44:41.170 --> 00:44:43.369
you come home and you're like, oh thank you God,

00:44:43.429 --> 00:44:46.570
we made a home safely. Oh, come out of the shower,

00:44:46.690 --> 00:44:48.989
thank you God, we got, you know, a shower. I'll

00:44:48.989 --> 00:44:50.650
humble myself. I don't always take a hot shower.

00:44:51.389 --> 00:44:53.750
I try to at least once a week take a cold one.

00:44:54.070 --> 00:44:56.570
That humbles me for the next time when I take

00:44:56.570 --> 00:44:58.309
that hot shower, like, oh it's so amazing to

00:44:58.309 --> 00:45:04.889
have hot water. Deny myself. helps me draw closer

00:45:04.889 --> 00:45:09.230
to God and also when my kids watch me deny myself

00:45:09.230 --> 00:45:12.150
they're learning you got to deny yourself you

00:45:12.150 --> 00:45:16.789
have to die daily for what you want and teach

00:45:16.789 --> 00:45:20.710
your kids that mm -hmm yeah you would love to

00:45:20.710 --> 00:45:23.650
go home keep your feet up watch whatever you

00:45:23.650 --> 00:45:25.489
enjoy watching doing whatever you enjoy doing

00:45:25.489 --> 00:45:28.429
but you realize when you get home your home still

00:45:28.429 --> 00:45:31.320
growing it's still got things to do You might

00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:34.199
have run out the door with a messy kitchen. Or,

00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:36.360
you know, one of your kids might have made a

00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:37.679
mess in the bathroom. You didn't realize. You

00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.559
come back home, you thought sitting down. No,

00:45:39.820 --> 00:45:42.380
you've got to suffer what you want and go take

00:45:42.380 --> 00:45:45.659
care of what needs to be taken care of. That

00:45:45.659 --> 00:45:54.099
teaches kids to forget about themselves. And

00:45:54.099 --> 00:45:56.679
when you can forget about yourself and what you

00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:58.679
want, you can forget about a lot of your problems.

00:46:00.090 --> 00:46:03.849
Serving others helped me to realize my problems

00:46:03.849 --> 00:46:07.289
are not that big. I can, you know, I can forget

00:46:07.289 --> 00:46:10.210
about a lot of things. Knee pain. I can forget

00:46:10.210 --> 00:46:13.110
about that. It's hard. You start wrapping that

00:46:13.110 --> 00:46:15.429
towel around yourself and seeing other people.

00:46:15.630 --> 00:46:18.469
Yeah. And you start going for others and often

00:46:18.469 --> 00:46:20.309
your problems are not that big. You know, they're

00:46:20.309 --> 00:46:23.530
nothing. Yep. I used to battle having sleep problems.

00:46:23.590 --> 00:46:25.449
Sleep four or five hours a night. Couldn't sleep

00:46:25.449 --> 00:46:30.699
no more. I'd be up. My thing was, okay, if you're

00:46:30.699 --> 00:46:33.420
not sleeping enough at night, you're not working

00:46:33.420 --> 00:46:37.820
hard enough throughout the day. That's a half

00:46:37.820 --> 00:46:40.880
truth. You need to work hard throughout the day.

00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:48.820
It does not have to be a manual, rough, you know,

00:46:48.980 --> 00:46:52.119
blood, sweat, and tears labor. It can be a labor

00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.380
for someone else. And your humbleness for doing

00:46:55.380 --> 00:46:57.739
it for others gives you peace at night where

00:46:57.739 --> 00:47:01.679
you can sleep earnestly, restfully. You can come

00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:03.820
alive the next day feeling amazing. Sure can.

00:47:04.139 --> 00:47:06.219
And literally you might have only helped somebody

00:47:06.219 --> 00:47:09.159
sweep floors the next day before. You might not

00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:13.699
even hardly broke a sweat, but your soul will

00:47:13.699 --> 00:47:16.440
give you peace to sleep at night with no issues.

00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.119
And I was blown away when I first figured this

00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:22.960
out and started doing it. I sleep so much better

00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:28.869
now. I mean, 90 % of the time, you know, when

00:47:28.869 --> 00:47:30.789
your spirit's tired and you need to rejuvenate

00:47:30.789 --> 00:47:34.590
your spirit, you, I'm learning that. There's

00:47:34.590 --> 00:47:36.670
a day you don't have to stop and you got to rejuvenate

00:47:36.670 --> 00:47:38.510
yourself. Your spirit needs rejuvenation. It

00:47:38.510 --> 00:47:43.329
has to be recharged. Yes. And that day, for me,

00:47:43.929 --> 00:47:49.510
was Thursday. Yeah, Thursday. I was just run

00:47:49.510 --> 00:47:53.369
down, didn't want to do nothing. didn't feel

00:47:53.369 --> 00:47:56.889
like they didn't have energy and it wasn't until

00:47:56.889 --> 00:47:59.730
that night when I laid down and I was getting

00:47:59.730 --> 00:48:01.289
woke up at three o 'clock in the morning I'm

00:48:01.289 --> 00:48:04.630
like okay there's something in me that's not

00:48:04.630 --> 00:48:06.329
happy and I got to figure out what it was and

00:48:06.329 --> 00:48:09.710
it was my spirit needed recharge I hadn't took

00:48:09.710 --> 00:48:13.690
time and just relaxed thought about what God

00:48:13.690 --> 00:48:15.929
had done for me throughout that week how he blessed

00:48:15.929 --> 00:48:22.409
me 100 % and got back my spirit connected to

00:48:22.409 --> 00:48:26.150
the charger and recharge myself for the next

00:48:26.150 --> 00:48:31.869
week. I'm recharged now. I'm feeling great. I

00:48:31.869 --> 00:48:35.769
prayed a lot. I cried a lot that day. Saturday

00:48:35.769 --> 00:48:37.730
morning when we come in, we've done the corporate

00:48:37.730 --> 00:48:40.730
prayer here. That hour felt like five minutes.

00:48:41.329 --> 00:48:43.650
It was about so fast and I'm laying there, I'm

00:48:43.650 --> 00:48:47.670
like... I felt like five minutes and I just looked

00:48:47.670 --> 00:48:57.210
over at my phone and I'm like... It's the same

00:48:57.210 --> 00:48:58.949
one, you know, you mentioned a while ago, but

00:48:58.949 --> 00:49:01.230
what I try to tell the teenagers is just start

00:49:01.230 --> 00:49:04.250
with five minutes, just five minutes with God,

00:49:04.929 --> 00:49:08.949
whatever that looks like. I don't know if I've

00:49:08.949 --> 00:49:10.610
told this group yet, but we have told a group

00:49:10.610 --> 00:49:12.670
before, like how many go to the bathroom at least

00:49:12.670 --> 00:49:14.469
once a day and you're in there for like 10 minutes?

00:49:14.570 --> 00:49:17.369
I said, how many have one of these little doohickeys?

00:49:17.590 --> 00:49:20.690
I said, there's a Bible app. I said, if that's

00:49:20.690 --> 00:49:23.190
where it starts, I said, my God, at least do

00:49:23.190 --> 00:49:25.150
something. I said, you can't tell me you don't

00:49:25.150 --> 00:49:28.449
have five minutes that you can give. But the

00:49:28.449 --> 00:49:30.369
more you do that, the more it becomes just like

00:49:30.369 --> 00:49:34.710
what you just said. The five minutes turns into

00:49:34.710 --> 00:49:38.469
an hour that only feels like five minutes. But

00:49:38.469 --> 00:49:40.150
it's amazing, though, because if you really think

00:49:40.150 --> 00:49:43.300
about that, he can redeem time. Oh yeah. So if

00:49:43.300 --> 00:49:45.800
you spend two hours with him and need to go get

00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:48.420
something done, there's something, and I've heard

00:49:48.420 --> 00:49:50.519
stories about this, where God can make a way

00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:54.500
for that still gets done and you still feel like,

00:49:54.619 --> 00:49:56.820
how did I do that? How did that work? How did

00:49:56.820 --> 00:50:00.539
that work the way you did? I have felt things

00:50:00.539 --> 00:50:04.960
like that. I want to say I have been a part of

00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:08.900
it, but I'm not 100 % on remembrance. But I know

00:50:08.900 --> 00:50:12.400
that like, Trying to do a favor for someone else

00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.199
might have interfered with my plan or something

00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:18.420
I needed to get through and Because I'm like,

00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:21.320
you know what? I'll forget myself. I'll reschedule

00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:24.420
that I'll do it later or you know, I'll just

00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:26.280
whatever time I get through it when I get through

00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:31.639
it and Because I give up myself God made a way.

00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:33.860
Oh you made it just a time with something somebody

00:50:33.860 --> 00:50:37.699
Yeah, come on in, you know, we made a way for

00:50:37.699 --> 00:50:39.969
you. Come on in We got it taken care of. And

00:50:39.969 --> 00:50:43.789
he will do that a lot. It's just crazy. It's

00:50:43.789 --> 00:50:51.349
amazing. I love it. When we talk to some friends

00:50:51.349 --> 00:50:54.409
of ours about where we live at, we don't brag

00:50:54.409 --> 00:50:57.010
about our house. We have a 100 -year -old farmhouse.

00:50:57.969 --> 00:51:00.230
We opened up one of the walls the other day because

00:51:00.230 --> 00:51:02.570
we were replacing our door. We have a 32 -inch

00:51:02.570 --> 00:51:06.150
door, a standard exterior door, 36. We have to

00:51:06.150 --> 00:51:10.579
redo that whole setup. We pour into our walls

00:51:10.579 --> 00:51:16.039
and look we have all rough cut lumber We have

00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:21.119
true 2x4s and true 4x4s all in our house And

00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.360
I had to stop and just look at it and be amazed

00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:26.900
like how old my house is We have no insulation

00:51:26.900 --> 00:51:30.119
in the walls we build out I'm pretty sure our

00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:33.719
house is the same way But I took a video the

00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:36.079
other last week when it was storming in Mount

00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:38.750
Mary but not at all off the mountain because

00:51:38.750 --> 00:51:40.289
we have a mountain view that looks over North

00:51:40.289 --> 00:51:43.969
Carolina. Oh wow. And I took a picture and I'm

00:51:43.969 --> 00:51:46.050
sitting there looking at it and I'm like, it's

00:51:46.050 --> 00:51:48.289
so easy for me to walk outside and be humbled

00:51:48.289 --> 00:51:50.469
just for what I have around me just by looking.

00:51:51.050 --> 00:51:53.070
Because I have amazing views that most people

00:51:53.070 --> 00:51:55.449
can't even paint. I know I couldn't paint them.

00:51:55.829 --> 00:51:57.809
So the fact that God gave them to me and put

00:51:57.809 --> 00:52:01.630
me there to see all the time, I have to constantly

00:52:01.630 --> 00:52:03.510
just be thankful for it. There's no other way

00:52:03.510 --> 00:52:06.829
I could be. A grateful heart. I have to be. I

00:52:06.829 --> 00:52:10.030
couldn't even see no other way of being for it.

00:52:10.489 --> 00:52:13.570
That's crazy. But those kind of views, though,

00:52:13.570 --> 00:52:17.710
you can't... Man, I mean, every time I look at

00:52:17.710 --> 00:52:20.769
it, it never, never ceases to just bring amazement

00:52:20.769 --> 00:52:23.289
out of me. And you know, I don't know if you

00:52:23.289 --> 00:52:25.110
have thoughts like this, but when you see stuff

00:52:25.110 --> 00:52:28.929
like that, and it's like, and he created me,

00:52:29.369 --> 00:52:32.750
died for me and you. Yeah. But then I get to

00:52:32.750 --> 00:52:35.690
see this. Yeah. I've got to be a part of this.

00:52:36.730 --> 00:52:38.349
Sometimes if you really think about it and let

00:52:38.349 --> 00:52:39.929
it get to you, it's overwhelming when you think

00:52:39.929 --> 00:52:43.449
about it. I think it sets off anxiety in my wife,

00:52:44.289 --> 00:52:49.210
but to me it sparks excitement. I guess we're

00:52:49.210 --> 00:52:53.469
men and women are so much different. What triggers

00:52:53.469 --> 00:52:56.170
anxiety in me will spark excitement in her. What

00:52:56.170 --> 00:52:59.750
sparks anxiety in her can spark excitement in

00:52:59.750 --> 00:53:05.500
me. I can be grateful for it. And I got to teach

00:53:05.500 --> 00:53:10.159
my kids also to look at that. Don't get overwhelmed

00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:14.940
from what you see. Yes, it's great. Take it in.

00:53:15.219 --> 00:53:18.659
Understand how powerful it is. But don't let

00:53:18.659 --> 00:53:20.820
it overwhelm you. It's not in your control. It

00:53:20.820 --> 00:53:24.099
don't have to be. Yeah. You know, storms going

00:53:24.099 --> 00:53:26.860
on around our house. It's not in our control.

00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:29.579
We can't do nothing other than sit here and thank

00:53:29.579 --> 00:53:32.179
God that our house ain't falling. Yeah. Or that

00:53:32.179 --> 00:53:35.429
we still have power. You know, we've lost power

00:53:35.429 --> 00:53:37.409
at our house for five days. The first two years

00:53:37.409 --> 00:53:39.090
we lived there, we never lost power more than

00:53:39.090 --> 00:53:41.469
an hour. My mom kept losing it, and she lives

00:53:41.469 --> 00:53:43.769
down in Arad at the bottom of the mountain. We

00:53:43.769 --> 00:53:47.429
never lost it. And then last year, three different

00:53:47.429 --> 00:53:49.710
times, we're hit a week at a time with no power.

00:53:50.449 --> 00:53:52.889
My parents never lost it. I was more thankful

00:53:52.889 --> 00:53:55.070
for me to lose power than my parents, because

00:53:55.070 --> 00:53:58.730
my parents are all disabled. They ain't on heart

00:53:58.730 --> 00:54:00.610
machines or monitors or anything that requires

00:54:00.610 --> 00:54:04.059
electricity, but... I got to choose one of the

00:54:04.059 --> 00:54:06.380
two of us. Yeah, I know I can survive. I can

00:54:06.380 --> 00:54:08.599
get outside and cook on a grill and make food

00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:11.199
for my family. My father's in a wheelchair. He

00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:14.860
can't do that. Especially in a rainstorm. I wouldn't

00:54:14.860 --> 00:54:16.800
even begin. I would have to go down there and

00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:23.599
do it for him. Yeah. And I'm still visioning

00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:26.699
my look off of my property, and I'm still just

00:54:26.699 --> 00:54:29.340
like, I smile about it. Ever show it to you?

00:54:29.460 --> 00:54:31.239
Uh -uh. Oh, Lord. I'm going to show you this

00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:34.539
picture. It's actually a little video. I did

00:54:34.539 --> 00:54:38.679
the picture first. But I like the video. You

00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:41.079
gotta hit the play button on this. Oh my goodness.

00:54:43.940 --> 00:54:47.000
We'll give him a minute to look at this. Oh my

00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:52.260
goodness. And if you're looking about, you can

00:54:52.260 --> 00:54:54.500
see Winston Salem. I'll zoom in, you can see

00:54:54.500 --> 00:54:58.099
the building from Winston Salem. King. Yeah,

00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:02.719
that's, that's uh... You can't paint that. You

00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:05.179
can't, yeah. You can't do nothing with that.

00:55:07.019 --> 00:55:11.800
I mean, I'm sure somebody could, but that's just

00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:14.800
wild to look at. Right? So I walk outside every

00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:16.599
morning, because that's my routine. My wife always

00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:21.960
talk about picking your first part of your day

00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:24.920
and dedicating it to God. God forgive me. The

00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:26.099
first thing I gotta do is go to the restroom.

00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:28.480
I'm gonna get over. When I get up, I'm gonna

00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:30.570
go to the bathroom. And then I'm going to find

00:55:30.570 --> 00:55:32.610
me something to drink because my mouth's dry.

00:55:32.650 --> 00:55:35.909
I just gave up my fluids I had. And then the

00:55:35.909 --> 00:55:37.070
next thing I'm going to do is I'm going to go

00:55:37.070 --> 00:55:40.329
sit down, generally outside, where it's quiet

00:55:40.329 --> 00:55:45.690
and I'm not disturbed. And I have to sit down,

00:55:45.789 --> 00:55:47.849
get comfortable, realize I've got to feed animals.

00:55:48.190 --> 00:55:50.869
There's my cat screaming at me, or my kid's cat,

00:55:51.090 --> 00:55:53.309
or the dog's one outside. I have to stop what

00:55:53.309 --> 00:55:55.869
I'm doing, tend to them. Take care about that.

00:55:56.269 --> 00:55:58.940
I've read, you know, I'm not an animal. Lover

00:55:58.940 --> 00:56:01.340
like I don't hate animals, but I'm not like I'm

00:56:01.340 --> 00:56:03.019
not gonna make it mine. You're okay if they're

00:56:03.019 --> 00:56:05.219
not there, too Yeah, yeah, it don't bother me

00:56:05.219 --> 00:56:08.360
if I didn't have But now that they're at my house.

00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:10.840
I know okay I want to sit down and I want to

00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:12.960
spend time with God but God wants me to provide

00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:15.119
for my animals first get the distraction out

00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.320
of the way because if you sit down beforehand

00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:19.320
you're not going to know they're just gonna distract

00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.300
me and I can't I can't give him what I 100 %

00:56:22.300 --> 00:56:25.989
so when I sit down outside and I Pull up either

00:56:25.989 --> 00:56:28.489
my Bible app or if I just sit there and I start

00:56:28.489 --> 00:56:34.050
praying and thanking him my days go so much smoother

00:56:34.050 --> 00:56:39.829
and My relationship with my wife and kids Don't

00:56:39.829 --> 00:56:43.309
get attacked as bad because I started off my

00:56:43.309 --> 00:56:46.570
day with the first things first and Me and crystal

00:56:46.570 --> 00:56:49.389
learned that in marriage. We learned that in

00:56:49.389 --> 00:56:52.449
our relationship. We didn't get married We went

00:56:52.449 --> 00:56:56.869
six or seven years together off and on fighting

00:56:56.869 --> 00:56:59.889
breaking up before we ever decided to get married

00:56:59.889 --> 00:57:03.869
looking back after nine or ten years of marriage

00:57:03.869 --> 00:57:08.769
I think it was like seven years why wait why

00:57:08.769 --> 00:57:11.449
did I wait I know now why I waited I was scared

00:57:11.449 --> 00:57:16.190
yeah I was terrified of who she was and that

00:57:16.190 --> 00:57:19.909
I couldn't control it and I wouldn't marry her

00:57:19.909 --> 00:57:28.900
but then I realized When you build a house if

00:57:28.900 --> 00:57:31.820
you don't protect it with the right insurance

00:57:31.820 --> 00:57:35.139
You're gonna constantly live in worry losing.

00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:39.219
Yeah, so when we got married we basically insured

00:57:39.219 --> 00:57:42.739
our marriage we put God in our marriage and a

00:57:42.739 --> 00:57:50.500
lot of attacks got Blocked took away and we didn't

00:57:50.500 --> 00:57:53.360
battle those things no more then we were able

00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:58.119
to work on the married and adjust to each other

00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:01.280
to create this bond that God wanted us to have

00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:06.860
and with him. Now it took a long time for the

00:58:06.860 --> 00:58:09.400
glue to get mixed up you know yeah because I

00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:12.320
didn't follow God as closely as I should. I was

00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:16.519
a Sunday and pray for me when I needed it. I

00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:18.679
didn't take time pray for others. I didn't take

00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:21.599
time and realize how much my kids needed that.

00:58:22.570 --> 00:58:26.809
But when my eyes were open to it, then I knew,

00:58:27.230 --> 00:58:30.449
okay, you got to teach your kids while you're

00:58:30.449 --> 00:58:32.150
being taught yourself because you want to teach

00:58:32.150 --> 00:58:38.369
yourself. And that's in the Bible. You got to

00:58:38.369 --> 00:58:42.070
teach and be taught. Even if you're teaching

00:58:42.070 --> 00:58:45.650
your kids and you're learning yourself. Yes,

00:58:45.949 --> 00:58:50.150
I know I've seen this so much that we wasn't

00:58:50.150 --> 00:58:54.300
taught because They were distracted. And how

00:58:54.300 --> 00:58:59.420
many times I learned through my kids. Ain't that

00:58:59.420 --> 00:59:03.780
amazing? There's been a number, I've told Katelyn

00:59:03.780 --> 00:59:05.619
before, I know I'm supposed to be your dad and

00:59:05.619 --> 00:59:08.159
teaching you, but there's so many times she teaches

00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:13.480
me stuff and I'm like, wow. Don't tell my oldest

00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:17.760
son this. I got my boldness from him. I was not

00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:21.460
a bold person. I was a very shy person. I didn't

00:59:21.460 --> 00:59:26.920
step out. boldly I was not that person but when

00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:29.900
I started watching my 8 year old do it walk up

00:59:29.900 --> 00:59:32.820
to a group of strange guys and just become one

00:59:32.820 --> 00:59:36.340
of them instantly like bonded sometimes he goofed

00:59:36.340 --> 00:59:39.320
up sometimes they laughed at it it may not have

00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:41.340
been all five of them in the crowd that he got

00:59:41.340 --> 00:59:43.219
their attention but if he got the attention of

00:59:43.219 --> 00:59:47.440
one he got in and he done what he set out to

00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:51.800
do which was to become part of that crowd And

00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:54.519
he was bold about it, and now I am now bold about

00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:58.780
it because he taught me that. And now I took

00:59:58.780 --> 01:00:02.960
what I've learned from it and grew it, and I'm

01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:06.960
teaching our others about it. If I can get my

01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:10.480
wife to do it. My wife can lead our girls. We

01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:14.400
did get her on the panel. That was a shock, even

01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:15.820
for our kids. They're like, I can't believe you

01:00:15.820 --> 01:00:19.880
got mom up there. There was something. God moves

01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.039
somewhere. I think Christie was up there with

01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.719
the biggest help. I can see that. You know, women

01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:29.400
battle the same things that men do in fear, anxiety,

01:00:29.579 --> 01:00:33.340
and stuff. They need someone that's not afraid

01:00:33.340 --> 01:00:35.559
to step out in that boldness to call the others

01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:40.159
into it. And they will. And I think it helps,

01:00:40.900 --> 01:00:44.159
as men, we help push them. Oh, yeah. You can

01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:47.300
do this. You got this. Oh, yeah. Same with the

01:00:47.300 --> 01:00:51.650
kids. You can do this overcome that the next

01:00:51.650 --> 01:00:56.710
biggest thing that I've been Pursued of his practice

01:00:56.710 --> 01:01:00.409
we talked about this on the panel. I still talk

01:01:00.409 --> 01:01:04.210
about it with my kids. You got a practice You

01:01:04.210 --> 01:01:07.889
got a practice been humble. You got a practice

01:01:07.889 --> 01:01:17.340
been remorseful. You got a practice when you

01:01:17.340 --> 01:01:19.860
sin and you repent, you got to practice repenting.

01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:22.300
You're not going to do it right the first time.

01:01:22.980 --> 01:01:24.000
You're not going to walk around and be like,

01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:27.059
God, I'm so sorry, please forgive me. That might

01:01:27.059 --> 01:01:30.559
be your practice one, but you better get serious

01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:33.420
about it. You got to find the meaning in it.

01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:35.420
Because you just saying you're sorry constantly

01:01:35.420 --> 01:01:37.800
is not really doing nothing. No, because you

01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.219
got to make sure that you're learning from your

01:01:40.219 --> 01:01:43.400
apology. You're not going to do it no more because

01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:45.579
you know how much you've had to go through just

01:01:45.579 --> 01:01:50.510
to repent. Yep. Practice is a big thing in my

01:01:50.510 --> 01:01:54.010
house. You know, I know to people that are big

01:01:54.010 --> 01:01:56.329
in sports, you gotta practice. You gotta practice.

01:01:56.489 --> 01:01:58.630
Same thing with your Bible. You gotta practice.

01:01:58.670 --> 01:02:00.369
You gotta practice reading it. You can't sit

01:02:00.369 --> 01:02:03.530
down and read your Bible in five minutes and

01:02:03.530 --> 01:02:05.630
think that you learned something because you

01:02:05.630 --> 01:02:08.010
got distracted. You gotta learn to get rid of

01:02:08.010 --> 01:02:11.380
distractions. You gotta practice it. And in time,

01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:13.320
you know, nobody wakes up 6 o 'clock in the morning

01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:15.260
Chipper ready to go sit down, drink coffee, and

01:02:15.260 --> 01:02:17.559
read the Bible. Those people scare me. If there's

01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:19.280
anyone like that, those people will scare me.

01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:20.920
I'm probably going to scare you because when

01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:23.000
I learned it, it didn't take me long. I was a

01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.019
fast learner. It took me like two weeks to realize

01:02:25.019 --> 01:02:29.139
I can sit in peace. I've always knew that first

01:02:29.139 --> 01:02:31.500
thing in the morning was my time. More of the

01:02:31.500 --> 01:02:33.639
people that can wake up to Chipper, like I need

01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:35.380
you to have some coffee or something before you

01:02:35.380 --> 01:02:38.630
just get out Chipper. Well, when the... When

01:02:38.630 --> 01:02:40.929
you sleep right, you can wake up in a great mood.

01:02:41.489 --> 01:02:43.969
This is true. Because when I was a teenager,

01:02:44.110 --> 01:02:46.829
I was the guy, the teenage boy that got up all

01:02:46.829 --> 01:02:49.150
happy. That was me. And I kicked off all of the

01:02:49.150 --> 01:02:50.590
house. Because they're like, why are you in such

01:02:50.590 --> 01:02:53.150
a good mood? And I'm like, I slept fine. I don't

01:02:53.150 --> 01:02:55.730
know what y 'all did. Yeah. Nothing to stir my

01:02:55.730 --> 01:02:58.030
sleep. I slept great. I wake up like a million

01:02:58.030 --> 01:03:01.429
dollars. Let's do this. This has probably been

01:03:01.429 --> 01:03:03.690
my longest podcast, and I don't want to really

01:03:03.690 --> 01:03:08.159
close it, but it's getting close to 430. Let

01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:10.460
me ask you a couple questions and get your feedback.

01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:13.440
I'll try to make a short answer. What advice

01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:16.400
would you give to a man trying to lead like Jesus

01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:26.019
in a culture that rewards domination? Read it

01:03:26.019 --> 01:03:30.480
one more time. What advice would you give to

01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:32.900
a man who's just trying to lead his family like

01:03:32.900 --> 01:03:36.239
Jesus? What's something that you've learned through

01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:40.880
your own battles that you could help. I could

01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:42.619
probably go just a couple of minutes, but how

01:03:42.619 --> 01:03:45.400
would you talk about the whole practice thing?

01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:48.900
What would you tell a man if he's trying to lead

01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:51.739
like Jesus? React in a way that you would want

01:03:51.739 --> 01:03:55.980
to be reacted to. So put yourself in the child's

01:03:55.980 --> 01:04:01.239
shoes. So if you told your child, look, there's

01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:03.360
only two cookies left. One's mine and one's your

01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.719
mama's. and ten minutes later you come back and

01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:09.619
yours was eaten, or your momma's, you know, your

01:04:09.619 --> 01:04:11.400
wife was eaten, of course you're going to give

01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:15.300
up yours to your wife. But when you call your

01:04:15.300 --> 01:04:17.820
child in there, you already know which child

01:04:17.820 --> 01:04:20.119
did it. They got the cookie crumbs on their shirt,

01:04:20.659 --> 01:04:23.119
some stuck to their lip, you know who did it.

01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:27.099
You want to be serious, but you also want to

01:04:27.099 --> 01:04:33.440
communicate the, you want to explain the guilt

01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:35.510
that they feel. Because to a child, they don't

01:04:35.510 --> 01:04:37.389
understand what guilt is. They just have a feeling

01:04:37.389 --> 01:04:40.090
inside that they know they did wrong, and they

01:04:40.090 --> 01:04:43.130
don't understand it. So when you explain to them

01:04:43.130 --> 01:04:46.050
why they feel like that, and what brought that

01:04:46.050 --> 01:04:48.550
feeling on, they're not going to want that feeling

01:04:48.550 --> 01:04:53.889
back no more. And you can help with being that

01:04:53.889 --> 01:04:59.889
way. Alright, so last one. If Jesus led your

01:04:59.889 --> 01:05:02.570
home or your workplace, whatever, you have your

01:05:02.570 --> 01:05:06.019
own business, If Jesus was to walk in and lead

01:05:06.019 --> 01:05:08.260
your home or your business, what would change

01:05:08.260 --> 01:05:12.380
tomorrow? That's something maybe that you're

01:05:12.380 --> 01:05:15.840
working on now in life. What would change if

01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:18.179
Jesus walked into my home and started to lead

01:05:18.179 --> 01:05:24.440
it? No pressure. No, it wouldn't be a lot more

01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:30.519
corrections for me, I would say. Him. Kind of

01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:34.159
like the owner and the supervisor would get together

01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:37.199
in their private meetings. The same in the home.

01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:40.139
I'm the leader of the home. So Jesus would take

01:05:40.139 --> 01:05:41.920
me aside and be like, look, these are your weak

01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:45.199
areas. These are what you need strength in. This

01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:46.679
is where I want you to pay attention because

01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:48.599
I'm going to take over in these aspects. And

01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:51.119
he's going to do the right thing. He would teach

01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:54.780
me the same way that he taught his disciples.

01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:57.480
It gives a whole new meaning to, when you're

01:05:57.480 --> 01:06:00.750
weak, I'm strong. Yeah. And He wants you to be

01:06:00.750 --> 01:06:04.829
weak. I didn't know that. He wants you to be

01:06:04.829 --> 01:06:06.989
weak and I'm like, why? Because when you can

01:06:06.989 --> 01:06:09.849
admit that, then you have to rely on Christ in

01:06:09.849 --> 01:06:11.670
me to do this. I have to rely on Him when I'm

01:06:11.670 --> 01:06:14.710
weak. He is my strength and to realize that I

01:06:14.710 --> 01:06:18.050
can't be strong without Him. It brings tears

01:06:18.050 --> 01:06:19.690
to the eyes to think about it, but that's what

01:06:19.690 --> 01:06:21.809
He wants. That's exactly what He wants. And you

01:06:21.809 --> 01:06:24.070
got to teach your kids to be the same way. To

01:06:24.070 --> 01:06:26.650
be weak. But isn't that what we, as bad as that,

01:06:26.769 --> 01:06:28.809
not what we want our kids to rely on us for?

01:06:29.219 --> 01:06:34.519
Hey, when you're weak at something, like... I

01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:37.619
don't think you would want them to be weak. Not

01:06:37.619 --> 01:06:40.599
necessarily weak, but you enjoy those moments

01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:42.599
when they come to you, like, Dad, how do I do

01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:45.480
this? Yeah. Makes you, like, makes you feel important.

01:06:45.619 --> 01:06:47.179
Yeah. Whether if they know how to do it or not,

01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:49.019
they could be just doing it to benefit you. It's

01:06:49.019 --> 01:06:51.719
just, to me, I guess it's just like, he's put

01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:54.539
stuff already inside of us. Yeah. But we're relying

01:06:54.539 --> 01:06:57.980
on him, like, well, help me figure this out.

01:06:58.579 --> 01:07:01.619
I know you put stuff in me, but okay, here's

01:07:01.619 --> 01:07:05.719
this podcast. I know this is in me, but you can't

01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:06.940
help me with this. Where do I go with it? Yeah.

01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:09.880
What questions do I ask, you know? How do we

01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:12.519
make this work? I sent you a whole list of stuff.

01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:15.699
We didn't touch hardly any of it. The stuff was

01:07:15.699 --> 01:07:18.300
just an outline. It was like a fenced in yard.

01:07:18.460 --> 01:07:19.619
We got in a play. I told you, don't ever think

01:07:19.619 --> 01:07:21.960
it, and whenever we start talking, this is how

01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:23.719
we're going to roll. Yeah, it worked out great.

01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.420
And if it helps one man, then I'm all for it.

01:07:26.420 --> 01:07:51.460
I'm all for it. Heavenly Father, thank you for

01:07:51.460 --> 01:07:54.239
such a wonderful blessing you bestowed upon us

01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:58.869
daily. gifts we receive that we may not even

01:07:58.869 --> 01:08:01.269
realize are gifts. They just come so naturally

01:08:01.269 --> 01:08:05.070
from you. We may overlook them. God, these words

01:08:05.070 --> 01:08:08.829
that you have given us to share, we pray for

01:08:08.829 --> 01:08:11.449
them to reach out and touch who you know they

01:08:11.449 --> 01:08:15.349
need to touch, to guide them, draw them closer

01:08:15.349 --> 01:08:19.289
to you, and build the relationship with you that

01:08:19.289 --> 01:08:23.609
we have and stronger to keep the faith. Thank

01:08:23.609 --> 01:08:26.140
you for all that you have blessed us with. Holy

01:08:26.140 --> 01:08:30.020
be your name. Thank you, Father God. Amen. Amen.

01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:32.800
Thank you, Ray. I appreciate it. I enjoyed it.

01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:35.260
Me and you both. We're going to do this tomorrow.

01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:36.300
Yes, sir.