WEBVTT 00:00:20.140 --> 00:00:26.280 Hey guys and welcome back to the podcast I am 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:30.410 again joined by my lovely wife Say hello to everybody. 00:00:32.789 --> 00:00:36.149 We're going to jump back into Why God Part 3. 00:00:36.770 --> 00:00:39.750 How she taught this in 30 to 40 minutes I'll 00:00:39.750 --> 00:00:43.689 never know because we've had probably two -hour 00:00:43.689 --> 00:00:47.450 conversation already and this I would guarantee 00:00:47.450 --> 00:00:51.390 this is another hour conversation if it goes 00:00:51.390 --> 00:00:54.469 based off how it typically goes but I'm going 00:00:54.469 --> 00:00:58.210 to jump back into hopefully the final parts and 00:00:58.210 --> 00:01:01.789 final pieces of your message of your teaching 00:01:01.789 --> 00:01:05.650 and let's start I'll be honest I don't remember 00:01:05.650 --> 00:01:10.430 where we ended up after the last one but I'm 00:01:10.430 --> 00:01:12.709 reading through the notes and I think I'm about 00:01:12.709 --> 00:01:19.609 right so let's start huh and let's start with 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:25.219 Thinking about why God you have in here about 00:01:25.219 --> 00:01:28.879 when family and friends and really people in 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:35.620 general Let us down One I think we put too much 00:01:35.620 --> 00:01:41.519 hope and That sounds bad to say but hope and 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:47.939 trust in people And we've kind of put And I know 00:01:47.939 --> 00:01:49.640 we've said this plenty of times, we kind of put 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:52.840 leaders and pastors and stuff on pedestals as 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:57.719 if they're not human beings too and are subject 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:02.439 to the same things you and I face. And so there's 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:06.159 times they leave, they use you, and then unfortunately 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.039 even in ministry they use you and then they dump 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:13.340 you. And so you wrote in here, where's our fire 00:02:13.340 --> 00:02:17.879 and passion and confidence? for the one who always 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:25.479 remains and When you really think about that 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:30.360 that goes straight back into why we would choose 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:50.960 God Because he chooses To remain No matter he's 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:58.159 the one that always even you know situations 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:03.000 in their lives where Something happened you get 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.699 in trouble when you're a kid what happens your 00:03:05.699 --> 00:03:07.219 friends scatter because they don't want to get 00:03:07.219 --> 00:03:11.740 in trouble, too You know in adulthood, maybe 00:03:11.740 --> 00:03:16.069 you mess up. Maybe you do something You know 00:03:16.069 --> 00:03:19.210 you lose friends that way they just don't want 00:03:19.210 --> 00:03:24.969 to stick around for a healing process or You 00:03:24.969 --> 00:03:27.490 know they were only in it to begin with to get 00:03:27.490 --> 00:03:31.289 something out of You know what you could bring 00:03:31.289 --> 00:03:34.030 to the table not necessarily a true relationship 00:03:34.030 --> 00:03:40.169 and But we you know a lot of times we get more 00:03:40.169 --> 00:03:48.449 upset Because they those people leave right and 00:03:48.449 --> 00:03:52.289 we put our faith in our trust and our Hope our 00:03:52.289 --> 00:03:55.469 confidence in these people and they break our 00:03:55.469 --> 00:04:00.030 heart Yes, but we if you look at when we were 00:04:00.030 --> 00:04:03.669 you know when you were friends or You would you 00:04:03.669 --> 00:04:05.930 would fight to the death for those people you 00:04:05.930 --> 00:04:08.050 know you would protect those people you would 00:04:08.050 --> 00:04:12.159 do anything you could for them yes, and More 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:16.279 times than not do we really have that same? Concept 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:21.399 and do we have that same passion for God? When 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:25.620 even when those people who you thought or your 00:04:25.620 --> 00:04:30.899 friends even family yeah that we He is the one 00:04:30.899 --> 00:04:37.839 that remains, but yet We are more hurt By people 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:43.360 who leave us in reality If you look at it on 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:47.860 the flip side, we do the same thing to God. 100%, 00:04:47.860 --> 00:04:52.339 yeah. And you know, when you talk like that, 00:04:52.579 --> 00:04:58.519 sometimes I guess my question and my wonder is, 00:04:59.660 --> 00:05:02.279 do we not know how to walk with people through 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:06.959 difficult situations? I don't think we honestly 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:12.019 do. I think partially because You're kind of 00:05:12.019 --> 00:05:17.300 taught that it will it's like an unspoken teaching 00:05:17.300 --> 00:05:22.519 That the mess is too messy You're not allowed 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:26.459 to be messy once you get saved You shouldn't 00:05:26.459 --> 00:05:32.560 have messes Right But in all reality it's opposite. 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:37.019 It's like Sometimes we go we go to church and 00:05:37.019 --> 00:05:39.160 that's supposed to be the place we can take the 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:43.939 mask off and Be your real self But we we put 00:05:43.939 --> 00:05:46.759 the mask on when we go to church and to me to 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:50.980 me I guess we feel like we do it backwards We 00:05:50.980 --> 00:05:54.939 take the mask off when we leave church and put 00:05:54.939 --> 00:06:02.459 the mask on inch Because It shouldn't make any 00:06:02.459 --> 00:06:06.399 sense, but then again it does because we've created 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:10.699 this culture in so many churches that if I If 00:06:10.699 --> 00:06:16.279 I open up and become vulnerable to you, how many 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:20.540 people are you going to run entail? Or how many 00:06:20.540 --> 00:06:23.100 social media platforms is my name going to be 00:06:23.100 --> 00:06:27.500 drug through? Because I allowed myself to be 00:06:27.500 --> 00:06:31.319 open and to be honest. And I think if you couple 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:38.259 that along with the world that we live in with 00:06:38.259 --> 00:06:43.259 the phones and how everything is so instant a 00:06:43.259 --> 00:06:47.259 healing process is not instant a Healing process 00:06:47.259 --> 00:06:50.620 takes days weeks sometimes months sometimes a 00:06:50.620 --> 00:06:54.779 year or two That I mean, I guess it just depends 00:06:54.779 --> 00:06:58.120 on your walk with God how much you submit to 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:00.439 Holy Spirit his Lordship to walk you through 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:05.180 things But it's not a microwave process. I Mean 00:07:05.180 --> 00:07:08.379 some some I feel like can try to make it become 00:07:08.379 --> 00:07:12.370 that But if you don't actually allow Holy Spirit 00:07:12.370 --> 00:07:18.649 in to walk you through some of this stuff You're 00:07:18.649 --> 00:07:22.730 gonna be back in the same mess eventually It 00:07:22.730 --> 00:07:27.889 becomes a vicious cycle Yeah, because nothing 00:07:27.889 --> 00:07:30.970 ever gets truly addressed and healed in your 00:07:30.970 --> 00:07:34.790 life. So you just keep putting on and taking 00:07:34.790 --> 00:07:39.060 off the mask And nothing ever gets done about 00:07:39.060 --> 00:07:43.060 it, when in reality the church is supposed to 00:07:43.060 --> 00:07:47.139 be the people that can help you destroy the mask. 00:07:47.899 --> 00:07:55.279 And destroy the shame that comes with it. Now, 00:07:55.379 --> 00:08:01.259 the church doesn't destroy it. God does. They 00:08:01.259 --> 00:08:05.629 should be there to walk alongside you. They should 00:08:05.629 --> 00:08:09.769 realize how much they needed God so there shouldn't 00:08:09.769 --> 00:08:17.629 be a physical Judgment on other people that need 00:08:17.629 --> 00:08:20.829 it and sometimes I wonder and I could be completely 00:08:20.829 --> 00:08:24.269 off base But sometimes I wonder if it's easier 00:08:24.269 --> 00:08:27.610 To point the finger at you so to speak so you 00:08:27.610 --> 00:08:32.090 don't see my miss. Oh, yeah And so let me make 00:08:32.090 --> 00:08:35.090 everybody pay attention to your you and your 00:08:35.090 --> 00:08:44.250 issues so they can't see mine and unfortunately 00:08:44.250 --> 00:08:50.250 all it does is create walls 100 % yeah for people 00:08:50.250 --> 00:08:54.269 and excuses for people not to want to have anything 00:08:54.269 --> 00:08:57.470 to do with God because all those church people 00:08:57.470 --> 00:09:00.029 man they they're just as bad as everybody else 00:09:00.029 --> 00:09:03.700 actually you know Some people may look at it 00:09:03.700 --> 00:09:06.740 and be You know, have you ever heard that the 00:09:06.740 --> 00:09:09.779 saying, you know It's easier to talk to a stranger 00:09:09.779 --> 00:09:12.120 about your problems than it is somebody, you 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:17.659 know Yes And it really is sometimes yes Because 00:09:17.659 --> 00:09:21.000 oftentimes that stranger doesn't know you doesn't 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:23.639 know anything about you. So there's no judgment. 00:09:24.299 --> 00:09:28.440 I even heard it It may have been when I was taking 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.399 classes at Liberty. I don't 100 % remember where 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:38.919 I heard it from but that it was easier for A 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:43.200 Christian for example to go to counseling to 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:48.840 not to a non -christian counselor Because they 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.019 didn't have anything removed all the basis and 00:09:52.019 --> 00:09:55.019 stuff and actually talk to you like a human being 00:09:55.019 --> 00:10:01.049 Yes, and At first, when I heard that, I'm like, 00:10:02.409 --> 00:10:04.669 why would you do that? And then when I think 00:10:04.669 --> 00:10:07.629 about it, just because of what we're exposed 00:10:07.629 --> 00:10:09.769 to in even the church, and this is not to beat 00:10:09.769 --> 00:10:13.429 up the church, but what we're exposed to in the 00:10:13.429 --> 00:10:17.710 church room, it makes sense. Because you've got 00:10:17.710 --> 00:10:22.710 some circles that everything's a demon, and that's 00:10:22.710 --> 00:10:28.860 not the case. But you take this whole concept 00:10:28.860 --> 00:10:34.080 of people leaving, people walking away during 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.460 difficult times, and we put that same, we cast 00:10:36.460 --> 00:10:39.500 that same thing onto God as if He's going to 00:10:39.500 --> 00:10:44.399 do that. And so to not get hurt, we walk away 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:48.299 first. And then God's left there. I think you 00:10:48.299 --> 00:10:50.980 put it in your thing. You know God is often left 00:10:50.980 --> 00:10:54.299 holding the bag for us. Yeah, we run to him when 00:10:54.299 --> 00:10:56.519 things go wrong and then just leave him holding 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:59.440 the bag of all the messed up broken pieces Yeah, 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:03.720 and not that he's not glad to do it, but you 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.980 you look at our perspective You know if you have 00:11:06.980 --> 00:11:13.399 siblings or even in your job at work If they 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.559 did something but you get the blame for it so 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:19.809 you're left holding this big mess And even though 00:11:19.809 --> 00:11:22.730 you didn't do anything, you're the fall person. 00:11:23.070 --> 00:11:27.610 Exactly. And a lot of times, that's how we leave 00:11:27.610 --> 00:11:31.090 God. God comes to our rescue to pick up those 00:11:31.090 --> 00:11:34.190 pieces. And then once we feel a little bit better 00:11:34.190 --> 00:11:36.289 about it, because you know, God's got the pieces 00:11:36.289 --> 00:11:39.809 now, we're just like, OK, God, I'll see you the 00:11:39.809 --> 00:11:42.269 next time I run into you, or the next time I 00:11:42.269 --> 00:11:44.549 need something, I'll let you know. Or when I'm 00:11:44.549 --> 00:11:48.009 ready to put those pieces back together, I'll 00:11:48.009 --> 00:11:51.159 be back. It's almost like we treat him like a 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:53.899 mechanic. Next time we break down, we'll bring 00:11:53.899 --> 00:11:56.799 the car back. And we'll just keep going through 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:01.059 the cycle instead of actually walking with him 00:12:01.059 --> 00:12:04.399 consistently and constantly. And I think that's 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:07.240 what a lot of people do. Well, kind of sidestepping, 00:12:07.779 --> 00:12:10.659 but when you talk about people getting healed 00:12:10.659 --> 00:12:13.279 and the healing process, I think we delay our 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:15.820 own healing process because that's what we do. 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.789 That's good. We give God the pieces, but yet 00:12:20.789 --> 00:12:23.850 we're not quite ready for him to fix them. We 00:12:23.850 --> 00:12:26.789 just want him to hold them so they're not quite 00:12:26.789 --> 00:12:31.070 so heavy for us. And in the back of our minds, 00:12:31.149 --> 00:12:33.429 we know, OK, God, I know you've got this. But 00:12:33.429 --> 00:12:35.809 I'm not quite ready to put it all back together 00:12:35.809 --> 00:12:39.169 yet because I'm still holding on to the hurt 00:12:39.169 --> 00:12:43.750 part of it, OK? So I need some time. And the 00:12:43.750 --> 00:12:48.090 fascinating thing is he does it. He does. Like, 00:12:48.190 --> 00:12:51.750 he'll hold that bag for you as long and sit like 00:12:51.750 --> 00:12:56.950 a good father and be like, OK, when you're ready 00:12:56.950 --> 00:13:01.429 to come do this, we'll talk again. I mean, he 00:13:01.429 --> 00:13:05.750 doesn't push you away. I mean, he's good. I don't 00:13:05.750 --> 00:13:09.350 know how else to say that. Like, he's good. His 00:13:09.350 --> 00:13:12.710 thoughts toward us are good. And he's not going 00:13:12.710 --> 00:13:19.980 to do anything to hurt us. He's going to if you 00:13:19.980 --> 00:13:22.899 need if you feel like you need and I guess I'd 00:13:22.899 --> 00:13:26.139 look at it even with my own kids If you need 00:13:26.139 --> 00:13:28.620 to go have that space and you do whatever you 00:13:28.620 --> 00:13:30.919 feel like you need to do. That's fine. I'll be 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:38.539 right here I'll hold this bag and what You know, 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:40.759 I've even told some of our teenagers this that 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:42.559 you know, they've expressed that they've been 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:45.259 through some hard things I mean, let's face it 00:13:45.980 --> 00:13:48.399 This generation that we have are dealing with 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.700 things that we did not have to do with growing 00:13:50.700 --> 00:13:57.539 up And and you hear the question a lot from young 00:13:57.539 --> 00:14:02.299 people of where was God when? All this mess was 00:14:02.299 --> 00:14:04.879 happening with me and I've told some of our teenagers, 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:15.580 you know where he was It did you put your little 00:14:15.580 --> 00:14:18.820 thing in there They're asked, you know, where 00:14:18.820 --> 00:14:20.740 was God in the middle of all this? Why did he 00:14:20.740 --> 00:14:23.559 leave me? And my answer to them is he he was 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:29.860 there with you When you hurt he hurt He doesn't 00:14:29.860 --> 00:14:33.200 just this is how I picture it. He doesn't just 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:38.039 leave the bag and just Let you do your thing 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:41.870 and not have any concern about you I think he's 00:14:41.870 --> 00:14:43.549 still like a good father would be if you need 00:14:43.549 --> 00:14:46.029 your space from me, that's fine. But I'm still 00:14:46.029 --> 00:14:50.610 going to be consistently watching you. Consistently 00:14:50.610 --> 00:14:53.610 trying to defend you. Well, even when our kids 00:14:53.610 --> 00:14:56.710 are learning new things, you know, they'll say, 00:14:56.750 --> 00:14:59.629 let me try this on my own. Doesn't mean you leave 00:14:59.629 --> 00:15:01.870 them there. It just means you're watching them. 00:15:01.870 --> 00:15:04.629 It's just kind of step back. Yeah, the teaching 00:15:04.629 --> 00:15:08.649 moment. It's a moment to see, OK, well, you see 00:15:08.649 --> 00:15:12.809 if you can handle it. Yep, if you can if you're 00:15:12.809 --> 00:15:16.909 ready for that, you know and then but in in the 00:15:16.909 --> 00:15:19.750 end You're still standing right behind them waiting 00:15:19.750 --> 00:15:26.789 If they need you you're right there And so like 00:15:26.789 --> 00:15:31.669 I like how you ask Where is the deeper relationship 00:15:31.669 --> 00:15:35.470 with the only one who stayed who protects and 00:15:35.470 --> 00:15:38.500 loves us better than anyone else could I mean, 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:45.419 you just think about the concept of he knows 00:15:45.419 --> 00:15:50.740 the number of hairs on our head. I mean, how 00:15:50.740 --> 00:15:55.399 detailed that would be. I mean, you even think 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:59.360 just how detailed the human body is that he created 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:04.879 for the blood to flow through these certain amount 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:09.850 of veins. complex the body your heart pumps without 00:16:09.850 --> 00:16:12.090 with what what does it what makes your heart 00:16:12.090 --> 00:16:15.330 pump yeah I mean last I checked there's no double 00:16:15.330 --> 00:16:19.289 -a batteries going in it's just fascinating of 00:16:19.289 --> 00:16:23.750 the complexities that he instilled in us when 00:16:23.750 --> 00:16:27.149 he created them and I even googled it one day 00:16:27.149 --> 00:16:31.769 and I think it was like the number of hairs on 00:16:31.769 --> 00:16:34.149 your head, the average person can have anywhere 00:16:34.149 --> 00:16:39.289 from 90 ,000 to 150 ,000 hairs on their head. 00:16:39.789 --> 00:16:44.110 And he knows when you lose one. I mean, and I 00:16:44.110 --> 00:16:47.649 feel for you ladies in the shower, because there's 00:16:47.649 --> 00:16:51.070 always hairs in the shower for some unknown reason. 00:16:52.230 --> 00:16:57.490 And the fact that he knows when you lose each 00:16:57.490 --> 00:17:01.580 one of those, or when my son Grads my beard and 00:17:01.580 --> 00:17:05.500 I see a beard hair leave with his fingers He 00:17:05.500 --> 00:17:08.180 knows when that leaves he knows how many I've 00:17:08.180 --> 00:17:16.180 lost throughout the day But it's like I don't 00:17:16.180 --> 00:17:19.339 I don't remember that night how far you got in 00:17:19.339 --> 00:17:21.940 your notes because I don't care who's teaching 00:17:21.940 --> 00:17:25.140 it never feels like we get through the notes 00:17:25.140 --> 00:17:31.329 But you have written down our Are you ready to 00:17:31.329 --> 00:17:35.569 go further with them and to find your why God 00:17:35.569 --> 00:17:38.430 answered? Yeah, I think it's very important for 00:17:38.430 --> 00:17:41.490 them to know that at this age because I don't 00:17:41.490 --> 00:17:44.650 think I could honestly say that I knew that at 00:17:44.650 --> 00:17:48.430 that age that they were. And, you know, I know 00:17:48.430 --> 00:17:50.730 we've said it to each other. We want them to 00:17:50.730 --> 00:17:54.970 go so much further, sooner than what we did. 00:17:55.250 --> 00:17:57.650 And I think that's any good leader, good parent 00:17:59.009 --> 00:18:04.849 That's what they want. There's times I feel like 00:18:04.849 --> 00:18:08.329 people, and I'll just use me as an example, there's 00:18:08.329 --> 00:18:11.150 times I feel like people think that I'm disrespectful 00:18:11.150 --> 00:18:13.650 to the church or whatever because I disagree 00:18:13.650 --> 00:18:17.930 with a lot of things happening and said in churches, 00:18:18.670 --> 00:18:23.009 most churches now. And it's not that I'm trying 00:18:23.009 --> 00:18:27.009 to say anything negative because I honor how 00:18:27.009 --> 00:18:32.890 far they got us. and they got us so far and then 00:18:32.890 --> 00:18:35.450 passed the shovel and now we keep digging and 00:18:35.450 --> 00:18:39.750 we keep plowing. Well I think you also have to 00:18:39.750 --> 00:18:44.869 take into account now versus back then you didn't 00:18:44.869 --> 00:18:48.250 have a bunch of disgruntled people that would 00:18:48.250 --> 00:18:50.890 leave a church and then go start their own. Oh 00:18:50.890 --> 00:18:54.950 that's true too yes. So I think you also have 00:18:54.950 --> 00:18:57.660 to take into account People who have started 00:18:57.660 --> 00:19:00.859 churches that were never called to start churches 00:19:00.859 --> 00:19:03.839 that too. Yeah, and when you're not called to 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:10.640 something you're probably not Let's just say 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:13.900 doing it to the best of the kingdom's ability. 00:19:14.980 --> 00:19:21.039 Yeah I mean look at how many churches there are 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:25.589 on one city block. It's just I mean They're everywhere. 00:19:26.250 --> 00:19:30.690 Well, not just that, but you take the small city 00:19:30.690 --> 00:19:35.430 where our church is at, and where me and our 00:19:35.430 --> 00:19:39.190 pastor took and counted how many churches, and 00:19:39.190 --> 00:19:41.829 we probably missed some that you could get to 00:19:41.829 --> 00:19:44.829 in five minutes. And I know, if I had to think 00:19:44.829 --> 00:19:48.130 back, there's at least 20 churches. But here's 00:19:48.130 --> 00:19:49.990 my question, is you have that many churches, 00:19:50.049 --> 00:19:52.470 but what is the church doing for the community? 00:19:52.779 --> 00:19:57.599 Because you don't see an impact there And I okay, 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:00.900 let's take it a step further this we're recording 00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:06.680 this on June 16th We just had no Kings Day on 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:09.460 the 14th. We've been having all these writing 00:20:09.460 --> 00:20:18.740 and protesting If I'm going here, so it'd be 00:20:18.740 --> 00:20:21.819 fun You can turn the podcast off if you don't 00:20:21.819 --> 00:20:23.940 like what I say. That's totally fine. You're 00:20:23.940 --> 00:20:27.160 prerogative. But here's my issue is all these 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:29.460 things are happening across the nation. But where 00:20:29.460 --> 00:20:33.559 are the churches in these moments rising up and 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:37.380 loving the people and getting involved in the 00:20:37.380 --> 00:20:40.660 communities that help some of this? It's like 00:20:40.660 --> 00:20:42.759 we just shut ourselves in and we're waiting for 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:47.019 a rapture to take place. Right. I also feel like 00:20:47.019 --> 00:20:51.460 you can't expect the church to create unity in 00:20:51.460 --> 00:20:54.279 their community when there's no unity in the 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:58.720 church? Well, I didn't say that. That was my 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:03.720 wife. I'll let her drop that mic. Not literally. 00:21:03.900 --> 00:21:06.099 Please don't drop the mic. Well, I mean, it's 00:21:06.099 --> 00:21:08.819 true. But that's very true. I mean, you've got, 00:21:08.859 --> 00:21:13.440 OK, and not to just joke, because I know there's 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:16.910 so many different denominations out there. while 00:21:16.910 --> 00:21:22.029 each of them you know have all of their point 00:21:22.029 --> 00:21:26.369 and to the heart of it most of them are the same 00:21:26.369 --> 00:21:32.390 at the root at the root but you get so caught 00:21:32.390 --> 00:21:38.609 up in the how to do it or how you do this how 00:21:38.609 --> 00:21:42.230 you do that that there's no you you can't even 00:21:42.230 --> 00:21:49.069 have a Like this does okay my question here. 00:21:49.069 --> 00:21:53.470 Let me let me just say this does Did the churches 00:21:53.470 --> 00:21:58.569 look like heaven? Well if you okay, so because 00:21:58.569 --> 00:22:00.369 are there denominations and well, that's what 00:22:00.369 --> 00:22:03.230 I was gonna say is denomination and that to me 00:22:03.230 --> 00:22:08.029 starts in division That's how and based off what 00:22:08.029 --> 00:22:10.289 I'm understanding is that's how denomination 00:22:10.289 --> 00:22:14.500 started was We disagreed on this and this so 00:22:14.500 --> 00:22:16.819 I'm gonna go start my own denomination over here, 00:22:16.819 --> 00:22:21.420 and you stay over here with yours It used to 00:22:21.420 --> 00:22:25.640 be that you could disagree on something yes talk 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:31.880 about it agree to disagree Yeah, and you could 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:33.900 still be friends you could still move on you 00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:36.700 could still do life together Didn't matter because 00:22:36.700 --> 00:22:39.660 you you know the other person's heart you know 00:22:39.660 --> 00:22:44.210 where they're coming from now oh no no no if 00:22:44.210 --> 00:22:48.289 you offend me like you're just written on blocks 00:22:48.289 --> 00:22:51.650 deleted from life you no longer matter because 00:22:51.650 --> 00:22:55.329 your belief system is different I mean doesn't 00:22:55.329 --> 00:22:58.029 matter if you believe that you should raise your 00:22:58.029 --> 00:22:59.869 hand during praise and worship or if you should 00:22:59.869 --> 00:23:03.970 keep it down by your side oh if there's a disagreement 00:23:03.970 --> 00:23:08.029 you know you're cut off and that's not how it 00:23:08.029 --> 00:23:13.089 should be at all It's either that or people coming 00:23:13.089 --> 00:23:15.470 at you and trying to tell you why you're wrong 00:23:15.470 --> 00:23:19.849 instead of listening. Yeah. Trying to see it 00:23:19.849 --> 00:23:22.849 from the other person's perspective. And I was 00:23:22.849 --> 00:23:28.109 working on one of the e -courses that I have 00:23:28.109 --> 00:23:33.470 to work on. I'm working on a six -week e -course 00:23:33.470 --> 00:23:37.299 on conflict. I'm just on week one and I was working 00:23:37.299 --> 00:23:45.380 on that some this afternoon and It's even This 00:23:45.380 --> 00:23:47.339 is this is where I think we are in the church 00:23:47.339 --> 00:23:51.700 kind of bounce off what you just said I Think 00:23:51.700 --> 00:23:58.720 we hear people But we don't listen We listen 00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:03.319 to reply that's good instead of listening to 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:07.660 understand And I wonder if I can pull it up, 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:12.019 because I want to read one of the things that 00:24:12.019 --> 00:24:21.640 I wrote down regarding that. Because ultimately, 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:24.339 I mean, we're in this together. We're not here 00:24:24.339 --> 00:24:29.000 to fight each other. Exactly. But it said this. 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:32.829 Here's one point. We all talk to each other, 00:24:32.890 --> 00:24:37.029 but we fail to listen to one another. And so 00:24:37.029 --> 00:24:40.170 I looked up the difference between hearing and 00:24:40.170 --> 00:24:44.549 listening. And while they're related words, obviously, 00:24:45.069 --> 00:24:49.349 hearing is more of a physiological act of perceiving 00:24:49.349 --> 00:24:53.109 sound, while listening is the conscious, active 00:24:53.109 --> 00:24:55.990 process of interpreting and understanding what 00:24:55.990 --> 00:25:01.750 is heard. So I think like what... What you said, 00:25:02.309 --> 00:25:05.950 I think we hear each other, but I think we listen 00:25:05.950 --> 00:25:09.529 to respond instead of listening to the other 00:25:09.529 --> 00:25:11.390 person's heart and listening to what they're 00:25:11.390 --> 00:25:17.329 saying. And there's a difference. Because sometimes 00:25:17.329 --> 00:25:19.690 I think I have the anointing to offend people. 00:25:21.650 --> 00:25:23.690 And it's just I don't think people hear my heart 00:25:23.690 --> 00:25:26.950 and things. Sometimes when you're passionate 00:25:26.950 --> 00:25:29.269 about something, your tone comes off different. 00:25:30.630 --> 00:25:33.049 But there's just because you're passionate about 00:25:33.049 --> 00:25:36.589 it. There's no need to bring anger into a conversation 00:25:36.589 --> 00:25:39.410 about something where we're all trying to get 00:25:39.410 --> 00:25:46.289 to go together. Yes. I mean, I'm sure, 100 % 00:25:46.289 --> 00:25:50.309 sure, nobody has all the answers. 100%. It's 00:25:50.309 --> 00:25:52.470 like I said in my last devotional, I think I 00:25:52.470 --> 00:25:54.630 even wrote in the front that I was not really 00:25:54.630 --> 00:25:58.579 concerned about being right or wrong. I just 00:25:58.579 --> 00:26:02.400 want people to go on a journey. I want people, 00:26:02.779 --> 00:26:05.160 having grown up in church, I think we have this 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:06.480 mentality, I don't know how we got here, we're 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:12.519 on this rabbit trail, so just roll with it. I 00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:14.740 think growing up in church we've made it, and 00:26:14.740 --> 00:26:16.500 we may have talked about this in some of the 00:26:16.500 --> 00:26:19.839 other podcasts, but that we put pastors on the 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:24.660 pedestal, and we have this belief that they need 00:26:24.660 --> 00:26:28.960 to hear God for us. instead of us hearing God 00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:36.460 for ourselves. One of the things I want for our 00:26:36.460 --> 00:26:40.059 teenagers and our kids is I don't need you to 00:26:40.059 --> 00:26:44.660 need me to hear God for you. They don't need 00:26:44.660 --> 00:26:49.259 to be reliant on you or us because of the fact 00:26:49.259 --> 00:26:51.420 we can't go everywhere with them to hand hold 00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:55.220 them. They have to be at some point strong enough 00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:58.799 in their belief, in their experience with God 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:02.859 themselves, their own relationship. That's what 00:27:02.859 --> 00:27:08.619 brings you the confidence and the boldness when 00:27:08.619 --> 00:27:11.740 you can describe that yourself, when you have 00:27:11.740 --> 00:27:14.039 that experience and relationship with Him for 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.680 yourself. You can't get through life running 00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:21.180 on someone else's relationship with God. You 00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:23.240 know, that's another reason, even while Wednesday 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.539 night, so when we have youth services, if I can 00:27:26.539 --> 00:27:28.880 get another teenager to help pray for somebody, 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:34.220 I'm going to. Either that, or yourself, or some 00:27:34.220 --> 00:27:37.299 of the other leaders, because I never want them 00:27:37.299 --> 00:27:39.880 to look at me and say that I'm the man of God 00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:42.960 for the hour and it needs to be me to do something. 00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:47.779 I don't need that. We all carry the same spirit 00:27:47.779 --> 00:27:51.240 in us. And anymore, we can't always go into their 00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:54.980 schools. Exactly. They need to have the confidence 00:27:54.980 --> 00:27:59.759 and be equipped enough to do this themselves. 00:28:01.259 --> 00:28:05.640 Yeah. And again, all this ties back into what 00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:09.440 you were talking about. This is why you need 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:15.039 your own relationship. And I think basically 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:19.349 what I was getting at is A lot of teenagers, 00:28:19.410 --> 00:28:23.410 a lot of people in general these days, they're 00:28:23.410 --> 00:28:27.250 basing their relationship off of the teachings 00:28:27.250 --> 00:28:32.869 they hear on Sundays and Wednesdays. But there's 00:28:32.869 --> 00:28:35.750 no relationship outside of the Bible stories 00:28:35.750 --> 00:28:39.230 that they read about. Exactly. That's all well 00:28:39.230 --> 00:28:41.890 and good that you know all of the Bible stories 00:28:41.890 --> 00:28:45.869 from when you were five, six years old and on 00:28:45.869 --> 00:28:50.650 up, and you can quote the stories, you can quote 00:28:50.650 --> 00:28:53.789 facts about it, but that's great. You know the 00:28:53.789 --> 00:28:56.829 Bible, but do you know God? Do you know Jesus 00:28:56.829 --> 00:29:00.869 personally? Even the stories that we read and 00:29:00.869 --> 00:29:03.289 were taught, if we don't go back and read them 00:29:03.289 --> 00:29:06.970 ourselves, we're missing a lot of context and 00:29:06.970 --> 00:29:10.529 a lot of stuff that wasn't taught on. Yeah, and 00:29:10.529 --> 00:29:14.059 I also, you know, when you think about it, And 00:29:14.059 --> 00:29:19.400 I know we've talked about it before, but this 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:23.319 is why you can never judge someone by a different 00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:28.299 viewpoint. Exactly. Because every time you read 00:29:28.299 --> 00:29:32.059 the Bible, you can read the same scripture, just 00:29:32.059 --> 00:29:36.200 one verse. You could read it today, and then 00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:38.380 maybe a couple years you could come back, read 00:29:38.380 --> 00:29:40.579 that same exact verse, and take away something 00:29:40.579 --> 00:29:43.579 else. Totally different from that same verse 00:29:43.579 --> 00:29:46.259 because you've grown in your own relationship 00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:49.240 with God and he reveals another mystery to you 00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:56.599 he reveals another Another Viewpoint yes based 00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:59.339 on what you've been through what he can trust 00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:04.099 you with what he what he You know, he says seek 00:30:04.099 --> 00:30:07.940 me. Yeah, sometimes all he wants is effort. Yeah, 00:30:08.259 --> 00:30:11.660 and if you're not putting forth effort It would 00:30:11.660 --> 00:30:14.599 be like the guy who buried his treasure Why would 00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:17.299 he give you more if you don't do anything with 00:30:17.299 --> 00:30:22.039 what he's given you to begin with so true? and 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:25.880 You said something it made me it made me think 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:30.460 and was reminded Because we do have different 00:30:30.460 --> 00:30:34.400 lens and stuff and different that's why Sometimes 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.500 you have to help me with some of this, but sometimes 00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:40.359 when I hear certain things I have to remember 00:30:40.460 --> 00:30:45.960 where this person came from and I can remember 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:50.500 several years ago being in a church and the minister 00:30:50.500 --> 00:30:54.420 was the pastor was preaching there and I remember 00:30:54.420 --> 00:30:58.099 having a conversation with God because the stuff 00:30:58.099 --> 00:31:01.119 that he was preaching I have the Holy Spirit 00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:04.599 began to teach me something different and so 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:08.279 I had the conversation I said I said I don't 00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:10.849 understand I said, I know what you've taught 00:31:10.849 --> 00:31:14.930 me. And I said, this goes against kind of what 00:31:14.930 --> 00:31:19.569 you've taught me. And again, and I feel like 00:31:19.569 --> 00:31:22.670 I need to say this in life, I don't mean anything 00:31:22.670 --> 00:31:26.450 in dishonor or disrespect. And I hope people 00:31:26.450 --> 00:31:33.009 that know me know that. But I had grown past 00:31:33.009 --> 00:31:37.250 what this was. This is just stuff that... And 00:31:37.250 --> 00:31:39.309 having been one that preaches, I think sometimes 00:31:39.309 --> 00:31:41.690 we can just regurgitate information and never 00:31:41.690 --> 00:31:44.029 really dive deep into it and speak on things 00:31:44.029 --> 00:31:50.029 that were really and truly ignorant of. And hold 00:31:50.029 --> 00:31:54.089 your thought, because let me finish mine. But 00:31:54.089 --> 00:31:56.930 when I had that was having a conversation, he 00:31:56.930 --> 00:32:00.309 said, son, it's just a different lens. And I 00:32:00.309 --> 00:32:04.589 was like, excuse me? And he reminded me of the 00:32:04.589 --> 00:32:07.269 glasses that we had as kids. where you could 00:32:07.269 --> 00:32:10.130 put them on and then everything was red or green 00:32:10.130 --> 00:32:14.109 or whatever that's what you saw and I even did 00:32:14.109 --> 00:32:17.190 it um at our the church we're at now I taught 00:32:17.190 --> 00:32:19.529 it one night and brought the glasses with me 00:32:19.529 --> 00:32:23.109 and I had different people put on different glasses 00:32:23.109 --> 00:32:25.750 and I held up a towel that was one color but 00:32:25.750 --> 00:32:28.450 everybody else that had glasses on saw it as 00:32:28.450 --> 00:32:32.690 a different color right was they wrong no no 00:32:32.690 --> 00:32:36.559 it was just their lens and until They're willing, 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:40.759 and I think it has, we have to be willing as 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.279 sons and daughters to do this. We have to be 00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:46.599 willing to allow Holy Spirit to adjust those 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:50.539 limbs. They will keep that same viewpoint. That's 00:32:50.539 --> 00:32:54.880 why you need to learn to lose your critical perspective. 00:32:56.220 --> 00:33:02.299 Yes. That's why, again, when I wrote in the book, 00:33:02.460 --> 00:33:06.900 I don't really care. It's 30 days. I hope to 00:33:06.900 --> 00:33:11.460 make it 90, but it's 30 days currently. And I 00:33:11.460 --> 00:33:13.180 know it will mess with people. It's not going 00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:15.000 to be for the faint of heart. And this is not 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.640 a book plug, but it's relative to what we're 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:23.980 talking about. It's not for the faint of heart, 00:33:23.980 --> 00:33:26.299 because a lot of the stuff I wrote in this one 00:33:26.299 --> 00:33:31.680 was challenging for me to get. And then to write 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.279 it and to... give a different perspective it's 00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:38.640 more to make people think to go study for yourself 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:42.160 and I even put in the book I don't expect anyone 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:46.240 to take that book and read it in 30 days I hope 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:50.279 it takes all year or 30 years to read the book 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:54.400 I just want people to go on the journey and quit 00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:58.619 worrying about if I'm right or wrong on this 00:33:58.619 --> 00:34:03.900 particular belief And just go for a walk. You 00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:07.279 have your own journey that Yahweh wants to have 00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:10.360 with you. Just like Adam and Eve. He wants to 00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:16.380 take you on a journey. Exactly. I think we get 00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:22.699 so caught up to it has to be right or wrong doctrine. 00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:27.539 And I personally, and I could be wrong here, 00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:31.599 but I personally believe That is not what it's 00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:33.539 about. I don't believe it is about right and 00:34:33.539 --> 00:34:37.000 wrong. When it comes to that. I think he just 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:40.079 wants people to go on a walk with him. And if 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.940 it's wrong, then he will teach you so. And here's 00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:46.719 the truth. It goes back to what you just said. 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:52.000 You may find it to be right for you now. And 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.400 a year down the road, it may become wrong to 00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:58.860 you. Because he takes you to another deeper level. 00:35:00.750 --> 00:35:02.989 Does that make sense? It does, because that was 00:35:02.989 --> 00:35:08.909 kind of what I was going to say earlier. Pastors, 00:35:09.130 --> 00:35:12.670 they have such a hard job in general. Yes, people 00:35:12.670 --> 00:35:16.630 put way too much pressure. But you also look 00:35:16.630 --> 00:35:20.429 at it as they have, on Sunday mornings, they 00:35:20.429 --> 00:35:24.570 have to prepare a sermon that's going to teach 00:35:24.570 --> 00:35:31.489 and encourage not only seasoned Christians or 00:35:31.489 --> 00:35:35.829 seasoned spiritual people, you know, seasoned 00:35:35.829 --> 00:35:42.289 in the faith. I'm trying to find the words. You 00:35:42.289 --> 00:35:47.809 know, seasoned in their walk, but they also have 00:35:47.809 --> 00:35:54.750 to have the same thing, be able to be, to make 00:35:54.750 --> 00:35:58.050 sense to new believers and people who may not 00:35:58.050 --> 00:36:01.920 even believe. So I think that's one of the hardest 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:05.900 things you have to look at is because, you know, 00:36:06.260 --> 00:36:10.320 they may give you a verse and say it at face 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:13.000 value and teach on it at face value for what 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:18.219 the verse is biblically. But once you get into 00:36:18.219 --> 00:36:21.719 your alone time, in your private time with God, 00:36:21.860 --> 00:36:29.780 God reveals more of what it actually means. There's 00:36:29.780 --> 00:36:32.900 more to it than just base value. And that's to 00:36:32.900 --> 00:36:35.119 anything in life. Which is why if that's your 00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:39.239 only substance that you're feeding, it's like 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:42.699 Paul says, I wanted to feed you meat, but you 00:36:42.699 --> 00:36:46.739 still need milk. And you can't go and expect 00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:49.760 the pastor to lay hands on you or pray for you, 00:36:49.940 --> 00:36:54.059 and you get a spiritual download from the pastor 00:36:54.059 --> 00:36:58.199 to where you're going to know. It just doesn't 00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:01.619 work that way. You have to have that encounter 00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:05.000 and that experience and relationship for yourself. 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:09.400 And it's also to add to that, to help out pastors. 00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:11.780 And I think I may have said this at our church 00:37:11.780 --> 00:37:18.219 before. Their goal is, I guess it goes back, 00:37:18.340 --> 00:37:20.599 I think we put too much on pastors because we 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.920 expect pastors to do it all. That's what they're 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:29.369 called to do, right? Thank you. But really, if 00:37:29.369 --> 00:37:31.489 you go back and read the scripture, they're there 00:37:31.489 --> 00:37:34.590 for the equipping of the saints to allow the 00:37:34.590 --> 00:37:39.289 saints to do the work of the ministry. We think 00:37:39.289 --> 00:37:42.309 we just get to go and be a part of it, and our 00:37:42.309 --> 00:37:47.769 job's done. Because pastors are everywhere, and 00:37:47.769 --> 00:37:50.650 so everybody should hear the gospel, right? Yep. 00:37:55.740 --> 00:38:01.199 to detour back to the why God. I think about 00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:04.840 what you taught and then I think about the past 00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:09.800 couple Wednesdays where I know we had the one 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:17.500 week we taught on worship. But both the Wednesdays 00:38:17.500 --> 00:38:23.860 after that I felt God speak to me about specific 00:38:24.680 --> 00:38:28.360 things that He wanted to do that night for the 00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:34.400 teenagers to break. And it goes back to something 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:36.960 I even have told our teenagers that anytime God 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.940 reveals something to me when I'm ministering, 00:38:41.059 --> 00:38:45.880 I know He's intending on healing it. And when 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:51.179 you grab hold of that, that He cares enough to 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.639 Because it's not and anybody who listening to 00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:57.420 this as there have been this position knows it's 00:38:57.420 --> 00:39:01.139 not comfortable Getting up in front of a group 00:39:01.139 --> 00:39:05.780 and you don't have any notes For what needs to 00:39:05.780 --> 00:39:08.179 happen that you are fully reliant on Holy Spirit, 00:39:08.179 --> 00:39:11.079 which I know you've told me before that that's 00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:18.519 a lot of times my best messages But that is so 00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:22.650 out of the comfort zone But it shouldn't be. 00:39:22.710 --> 00:39:24.869 It really shouldn't be. It should be like second 00:39:24.869 --> 00:39:27.590 nature. It should be second nature. And I'm honored 00:39:27.590 --> 00:39:35.130 in those moments. And I just have to rely and 00:39:35.130 --> 00:39:40.110 flow with however he gives it to me. And again, 00:39:40.110 --> 00:39:42.269 I can't be worried about whether I'm right or 00:39:42.269 --> 00:39:45.469 wrong. I just have to be obedient. I have to 00:39:45.469 --> 00:39:47.880 be obedient when I walk away that night. know 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.320 and believe I did everything I felt like I was 00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:52.400 supposed to do and trust the results of the God. 00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:56.039 Yeah. You can remind me of that later. You can't 00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:59.760 dwell on if you, I mean, of course, you know, 00:39:59.980 --> 00:40:02.659 that was going to come back in and say, Oh, you 00:40:02.659 --> 00:40:04.820 didn't really hear that's when he plays mind 00:40:04.820 --> 00:40:07.900 games. Yeah. But you know what you heard, but 00:40:07.900 --> 00:40:14.599 you, you, you take that and to know that God 00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:17.530 would mess up. I'm just using me as an example. 00:40:17.710 --> 00:40:19.730 It could happen to anybody that he would be willing 00:40:19.730 --> 00:40:28.289 to mess me up in a way to Break something specifically 00:40:28.289 --> 00:40:38.010 as far as change your mind Yes That he would 00:40:38.010 --> 00:40:41.170 do all that to speak to if it's even just one 00:40:41.170 --> 00:40:45.599 teenager to break something off of them That 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:51.980 should be, in my personal opinion, that should 00:40:51.980 --> 00:40:58.300 be enough for one to say, wow, that is why God. 00:41:00.019 --> 00:41:05.980 For one person. Or, you know, three teenagers. 00:41:20.500 --> 00:41:30.420 Just to know that he's concerned Yes, he's concerned 00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:35.440 by the multitudes or About the multitudes, but 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:42.079 the concern he shows for just one That's like 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:46.110 all day today I had Not all days, I'd be alive, 00:41:46.170 --> 00:41:49.530 but most of the day at work I had this song going 00:41:49.530 --> 00:41:57.489 repeat. You're worthy of it all. Because that's 00:41:57.489 --> 00:42:02.769 the truth. All this ties into that topic of why 00:42:02.769 --> 00:42:05.389 God, like this is why God for me, this is why 00:42:05.389 --> 00:42:13.639 He's worthy of it all to me. Because to understand 00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.699 and have the personal, you have to know and believe 00:42:16.699 --> 00:42:21.320 that yes, He's Creator, yes, He's God of everything, 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:33.019 but He is so involved in just me and just you. 00:42:34.739 --> 00:42:39.400 He is so intimately and wants to be so intimately 00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:44.940 involved in our relationship that I can say I'm 00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:49.679 God's favorite. And that's what he wants for 00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:55.280 every single one of us. For anyone listening, 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:59.920 he wants for you to be able to say that you're 00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:06.500 God's favorite. It's just like our kids. Sun's 00:43:06.500 --> 00:43:08.280 not old enough to know anything right now, but 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:11.019 there's times I whisper to both my girls And 00:43:11.019 --> 00:43:13.500 I tell them that they're my favorite and both 00:43:13.500 --> 00:43:17.280 of them believe That they're my favorite and 00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:20.440 it depends on what day it is as to which one 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:33.619 is right Anyhow that was the political answer 00:43:33.619 --> 00:44:00.059 right there But that's I mean I don't You know 00:44:00.059 --> 00:44:11.469 But if something just reminded me he won't Yeah, 00:44:11.530 --> 00:44:17.269 even though he already knows the end Yeah He 00:44:17.269 --> 00:44:19.369 already knows what you're gonna say what you're 00:44:19.369 --> 00:44:25.090 gonna do and yet it just It's like my mind can't 00:44:25.090 --> 00:44:29.889 even comprehend that He still gives you the freedom 00:44:29.889 --> 00:44:37.570 to say no and yet still pursue Yeah, whether 00:44:37.570 --> 00:44:43.219 you Choose or deny? It's like last Wednesday 00:44:43.219 --> 00:44:46.659 when I brought the prodigal Which the story is 00:44:46.659 --> 00:44:48.480 more about the father than the son, but when 00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:53.400 the son comes back He's been wallowing in a pig 00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:57.079 pen We don't know did he take a bath. I don't 00:44:57.079 --> 00:45:01.860 know and remembers first of all he remembers 00:45:01.860 --> 00:45:06.619 he had a place to go back to and His goal when 00:45:06.619 --> 00:45:11.099 he come back home was I can just be a servant. 00:45:12.619 --> 00:45:14.679 And I'll eat better than this, that's for sure. 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.119 Because I remember the goodness of my father. 00:45:19.500 --> 00:45:21.260 But I'm no longer worried that he'd be called 00:45:21.260 --> 00:45:27.239 a son. And he's rehearsing this speech all the 00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:33.039 way home. And from my study and what I understand 00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:38.219 from the story, that culture, the dad could have... 00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:43.980 He yelled for the elders and had him stomp. For 00:45:43.980 --> 00:45:46.340 wasting it all and being disobedient and all 00:45:46.340 --> 00:45:53.880 this. But his father was watching for him. And 00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:56.840 when he sees his son come and he takes off running, 00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:59.480 which goes against that culture of that day. 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:06.400 Goes and runs to that son and embraces him. And 00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.679 while the son's trying to do His speech about 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.599 why He's no longer worthy. The Father doesn't 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:17.480 want to hear about it. He doesn't care about 00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:20.800 what He wasted. Why? Because He has plenty more 00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:27.460 to give. So what you wasted it? I got more. I 00:46:27.460 --> 00:46:30.380 figured you would when I gave it to you. That 00:46:30.380 --> 00:46:37.559 just hit me. I mean... And then starts calling. 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.260 He says, bring me the ring and the robe. We don't 00:46:40.260 --> 00:46:44.920 have time to get into all that. And of course, 00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:46.980 we know the story about the brother gets upset 00:46:46.980 --> 00:46:52.159 and offended by all this thing. But the goodness, 00:46:52.219 --> 00:46:58.380 because he remembered the goodness of his father. 00:46:59.820 --> 00:47:04.000 And though he counted himself out when he makes 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:11.429 it to his dad. There's this embrace and I'm sure 00:47:11.429 --> 00:47:15.550 the status kissing him all over the face Because 00:47:15.550 --> 00:47:21.230 his son has returned Calling for the ring and 00:47:21.230 --> 00:47:26.570 the robe because my son who was dead is now alive 00:47:26.570 --> 00:47:34.170 He's all about the one he's all about the intimate 00:47:34.170 --> 00:47:40.000 wall The woman at the whale. He goes to a city 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:43.699 to sit at a whale. This is Jesus we're talking 00:47:43.699 --> 00:47:49.440 about. And he does all that just to encounter 00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:54.760 one woman. Somebody that he should have never 00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:59.159 been seen with. Yeah. And it's countless stories 00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:03.139 in the Gospel, whether it's the one woman. at 00:48:03.139 --> 00:48:05.980 the well, or the one man who's naked in the graveyard, 00:48:06.139 --> 00:48:10.840 or the one son as the prodigal, the one leper 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:12.739 that he touches that he should never put his 00:48:12.739 --> 00:48:23.360 hands on. It's all about the one. And if we grab 00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:28.260 hold of that, it's why he's worthy of it all. 00:48:30.510 --> 00:48:35.650 It goes back to the story I told, I think, two 00:48:35.650 --> 00:48:38.309 Wednesdays ago about the woman who broke the 00:48:38.309 --> 00:48:44.849 box. And they were complaining how much she wasted. 00:48:46.250 --> 00:48:50.409 And they were right of the value of the perfume, 00:48:51.949 --> 00:48:55.230 but they was not right about the value of the 00:48:55.230 --> 00:49:09.369 one she was pouring it on. They just saw the 00:49:09.369 --> 00:49:11.909 perfume for what it was worth, but didn't take 00:49:11.909 --> 00:49:16.769 into account who it was being poured on. What 00:49:16.769 --> 00:49:25.550 was on the inside of them. And I think it messes 00:49:25.550 --> 00:49:27.929 with me because I know what it is to be that 00:49:27.929 --> 00:49:33.809 one. The one that people could say he wasted 00:49:33.809 --> 00:49:38.949 it all on him. And yet in return, my response 00:49:38.949 --> 00:49:45.949 is, I'll waste it all back to him. I don't know 00:49:45.949 --> 00:50:01.590 if that even made sense. He wasted all on us, 00:50:02.630 --> 00:50:05.230 and only asked for us to waste it all back to 00:50:05.230 --> 00:50:09.699 him. to have kind of this back and forth thing 00:50:09.699 --> 00:50:12.739 that he gives us all and then we give him all. 00:50:37.139 --> 00:50:48.099 we bring you this commercial break I have to 00:50:48.099 --> 00:50:50.659 really focus and I used to never be like this 00:50:50.659 --> 00:50:53.340 but I really have to focus not to let the tears 00:50:53.340 --> 00:50:59.380 come when I start talking like this that used 00:50:59.380 --> 00:51:05.099 to not be like me but you know that is one of 00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:07.570 the things where you're looking that up That's 00:51:07.570 --> 00:51:12.650 one of the things I've prayed for is let me Let 00:51:12.650 --> 00:51:16.530 me cry again, let me find my tears again and 00:51:16.530 --> 00:51:30.010 to be tender -hearted like Jesus And there's 00:51:30.010 --> 00:51:32.010 a pre -course in there and it says we give you 00:51:32.010 --> 00:51:35.130 access to our hearts and you give us access to 00:51:35.130 --> 00:51:42.289 all you are That's all he asked for and so in 00:51:42.289 --> 00:51:46.590 return all he asked for is our heart But what 00:51:46.590 --> 00:51:52.030 he what he puts inside of us You know is all 00:51:52.030 --> 00:51:55.869 he is so that in return we give that back to 00:51:55.869 --> 00:51:59.190 him because all he's asking for is our heart 00:51:59.190 --> 00:52:08.449 So much truth to that I'm trying to think. We've 00:52:08.449 --> 00:52:12.010 been going at least 45 minutes. I'm trying to 00:52:12.010 --> 00:52:19.090 think how to end this. To me, that just goes 00:52:19.090 --> 00:52:24.550 back to what we opened this up with. He wants 00:52:24.550 --> 00:52:34.269 access. We're so afraid of people leaving us 00:52:34.269 --> 00:52:41.659 when they find out our mess. So afraid of people 00:52:41.659 --> 00:52:45.260 leaving us if they find out I don't believe like 00:52:45.260 --> 00:52:53.480 you That if I let you see the real me How much 00:52:53.480 --> 00:53:01.360 am I going to get condemned and judge But yet 00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:09.340 that's exactly what he wants and as I think about 00:53:09.340 --> 00:53:17.940 what you read. I don't even know that he's satisfied 00:53:17.940 --> 00:53:25.659 if he doesn't get it off. I think he so wants 00:53:25.659 --> 00:53:29.579 the broken pieces just so he can put it back 00:53:29.579 --> 00:53:38.440 together right. I think he so wants us to understand 00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:42.360 and realize that we belong on the potter's wheel 00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:46.800 and that even time anytime we get a crack in 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:51.179 the in our clay he knows how to fix it back if 00:53:51.179 --> 00:54:09.670 we will just stay on the wheel Yeah To where 00:54:09.670 --> 00:54:13.429 he can just kind of nudge and you know shape 00:54:13.429 --> 00:54:32.389 you I mean why why wouldn't we want to give him 00:54:32.389 --> 00:54:38.510 back with everything he has done for us and Why 00:54:38.510 --> 00:54:42.090 not run to the one when when you're afraid of 00:54:42.090 --> 00:54:45.869 everyone else leaving? Why not run to the one? 00:54:47.030 --> 00:54:51.269 That even in your mess he stayed but not only 00:54:51.269 --> 00:54:56.070 that He stayed and he was there before you even 00:54:56.070 --> 00:54:58.010 made the mess and already knew the mess you were 00:54:58.010 --> 00:55:05.530 gonna make But yet his love never changes never 00:55:05.530 --> 00:55:13.559 changes He holds us you know you're taught a 00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.719 lot a lot of times throughout life if it's too 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:22.780 good to be true Probably not that goes out the 00:55:22.780 --> 00:55:28.500 window when it comes except for God Cuz I don't 00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:34.840 think we understand how good he is It's like 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:38.400 it can't be one of the things that I say is he's 00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:43.760 better than we believed him to be. Jason Clark 00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:47.179 on Rethinking God with Tacos likes to say he 00:55:47.179 --> 00:55:49.440 wants to have a better thought about God tomorrow 00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:54.480 than he did today. I don't know that we'll ever 00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:58.260 know, even if you live to be 120 and you did 00:55:58.260 --> 00:56:01.699 that all your life, you still would never tap 00:56:01.699 --> 00:56:08.550 into how good he actually is. Well, you think 00:56:08.550 --> 00:56:15.769 in that picture of the throne room of God where 00:56:15.769 --> 00:56:20.090 the creatures are surrounding him and the angels 00:56:20.090 --> 00:56:23.329 crying, holy, holy, holy. Look how long they've 00:56:23.329 --> 00:56:26.650 been doing that. And do it for all eternity. 00:56:26.670 --> 00:56:32.789 For all eternity. But you don't get tired of 00:56:32.789 --> 00:56:37.980 it because that is as unfathomable as it is in 00:56:37.980 --> 00:56:43.360 our human mind there it'll all make sense because 00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:50.219 he's got so many intricate so many complexities 00:56:50.219 --> 00:56:58.400 to his being that our human minds can't fathom 00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:09.559 what that's even like Don't know if I have words 00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:24.780 on how to close this out I Mean yeah, I was gonna 00:57:24.780 --> 00:57:27.760 say that'd be a whole nother podcast two or three 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:41.909 of them What I did with our youth is I told them, 00:57:41.909 --> 00:57:45.369 I said, a good place to start is to make a list 00:57:45.369 --> 00:57:48.829 of everything you're grateful for. And then if 00:57:48.829 --> 00:57:53.090 you branch off of that as to why you're grateful 00:57:53.090 --> 00:57:57.710 for it, your why will soon reveal itself for 00:57:57.710 --> 00:58:03.789 sure. I 100 % agree. Because I don't care how 00:58:03.789 --> 00:58:06.659 messed up your life is, there's something. that 00:58:06.659 --> 00:58:10.659 you can find to be grateful for in it. Yeah. 00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:17.880 Why don't you pray for the people like you did 00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:21.559 the first time? I think that would be a good 00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:23.420 way since we're closing out your little teaching 00:58:23.420 --> 00:58:28.300 here, technically. All right, Father God, we 00:58:28.300 --> 00:58:32.840 thank you for everyone listening, God. We thank 00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:38.360 you for you. We just. Thank you for who you are. 00:58:38.739 --> 00:58:42.519 I thank you for who you are in my life. God, 00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:47.480 we ask that this podcast would touch those that 00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:52.079 you would have or that need to hear this. God, 00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:55.199 we ask that you would just bless those listening. 00:58:57.460 --> 00:59:00.500 Help them with whatever they are searching for 00:59:00.500 --> 00:59:05.639 in you. That maybe we could be a light to somebody. 00:59:06.059 --> 00:59:13.239 that has questions. God, we speak life over everyone. 00:59:14.179 --> 00:59:22.199 We speak healing over everyone. And God, I just 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:27.699 pray that whoever is listening would find their 00:59:27.699 --> 00:59:33.579 why, God. Find their why moment of and that would 00:59:33.579 --> 00:59:35.780 bring them closer to you. That's our ultimate 00:59:35.780 --> 00:59:40.039 goal is that whatever we say or whatever we may 00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:43.420 discuss that it would just make people think 00:59:43.420 --> 00:59:48.059 and ultimately bring them closer to you. Not 00:59:48.059 --> 00:59:51.219 that we have all the answers, but God that maybe 00:59:51.219 --> 00:59:57.280 it may allow someone to think it's okay to question 00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:02.210 things or to think a little differently. or to 01:00:02.210 --> 01:00:06.230 even just have permission to to find you on their 01:00:06.230 --> 01:00:12.789 own in their own quiet time because we know that 01:00:12.789 --> 01:00:15.349 the Holy Spirit that you are the best teacher 01:00:15.349 --> 01:00:23.670 God I pray blessings over everyone and may you 01:00:27.530 --> 01:00:30.150 i'm trying to be obedient i'm trying to listen 01:00:30.150 --> 01:00:37.650 to make sure i'm done god i pray that that you 01:00:37.650 --> 01:00:44.489 would just touch whoever needs a healing that 01:00:44.489 --> 01:00:52.389 someone out there is experiencing hurt and they 01:00:52.389 --> 01:00:56.059 just can't seem to let it go and they They can't 01:00:56.059 --> 01:01:00.320 seem to quite trust you with everything just 01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:03.460 yet. But God, we know that you are a healer, 01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:05.559 the ultimate healer, and that they can't get 01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:09.940 it from anything or anybody else. And I pray 01:01:09.940 --> 01:01:15.739 that that person hears this and that you would 01:01:15.739 --> 01:01:18.639 just wrap your arms around them and that they 01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:21.519 would feel the most love they have ever felt. 01:01:24.389 --> 01:01:28.309 God, I just beat blessings over them in Jesus. 01:01:28.630 --> 01:01:33.730 Amen All right guys, I thank you for hanging 01:01:33.730 --> 01:01:37.510 out with us if you've made it this far We got 01:01:37.510 --> 01:01:39.670 about two more. I probably got about two more 01:01:39.670 --> 01:01:44.170 episodes in me And then I want to take a break 01:01:44.170 --> 01:01:47.769 through July and August to start revamping and 01:01:47.769 --> 01:01:52.630 then bring out season two will start in the month 01:01:52.630 --> 01:01:55.329 of September Probably the first week of September, 01:01:55.409 --> 01:02:00.309 we'll start rolling out new episodes for season 01:02:00.309 --> 01:02:02.329 two. But I'm going to take July and August to 01:02:02.329 --> 01:02:05.309 kind of revamp and have some conversation with 01:02:05.309 --> 01:02:07.389 some other people and try to bring something 01:02:07.389 --> 01:02:10.489 new. And this has definitely been a learning 01:02:10.489 --> 01:02:15.030 experience for me. I'm grateful for the opportunity 01:02:15.030 --> 01:02:18.429 and the leading of the Holy Spirit and just trying 01:02:18.429 --> 01:02:21.050 to do whatever He allows me to do and pushes 01:02:21.050 --> 01:02:25.630 me to do. And don't forget, if you're listening, 01:02:26.989 --> 01:02:30.190 since I don't have a marketing team, I'll be 01:02:30.190 --> 01:02:33.829 my own DJ or whatever you call it. I don't know 01:02:33.829 --> 01:02:37.050 what to call it. But you can find my... I've 01:02:37.050 --> 01:02:41.510 got two devotionals out. One is called Unmasking 01:02:41.510 --> 01:02:45.670 Your Divine Destiny. It's a 30 -day devotional 01:02:45.670 --> 01:02:48.289 geared more toward men, but really anybody could 01:02:48.289 --> 01:02:52.329 read it. And then the last one... I just released 01:02:52.329 --> 01:02:55.289 is the one I was mentioning earlier that is not 01:02:55.289 --> 01:02:58.849 for the faint of heart It's going to be challenging 01:02:58.849 --> 01:03:01.289 to read and again, I don't claim to be right 01:03:01.289 --> 01:03:05.530 on everything But it's right for me in this moment. 01:03:05.570 --> 01:03:10.489 I can say that It's called Echoes of Eden and 01:03:10.489 --> 01:03:15.469 you can find both of those on Amazon Kindle paperback 01:03:15.469 --> 01:03:18.409 the last one actually has a hardcover edition 01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:23.280 I made the print bigger and put places for you 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:27.360 to journal and reflect from each day. But you 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.860 can find those on Amazon. You can look me up 01:03:30.860 --> 01:03:33.559 by my name, Chris, C -H -R -I -S, and last name 01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:37.860 you spell it, C -O -B -L -E -R. That's my name. 01:03:37.900 --> 01:03:40.699 So you can look that up on Amazon and check it 01:03:40.699 --> 01:03:47.079 out. And if you do purchase one, I do ask that 01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:49.929 you leave a review. That would be nice. I want 01:03:49.929 --> 01:03:52.610 to hear what people think. If you listen to the 01:03:52.610 --> 01:03:55.250 podcast, leave a review. I would like to know 01:03:55.250 --> 01:03:59.909 what people think. So anyhow, be blessed. We 01:03:59.909 --> 01:04:00.429 love you guys.