WEBVTT 00:00:13.929 --> 00:00:17.370 Hello, I'm Frank Kudla. And I'm Jan Kepler. And 00:00:17.370 --> 00:00:19.850 this is the Two Voices, One Journey podcast. 00:00:20.309 --> 00:00:22.910 The place to go when you want to hear two extraordinarily 00:00:22.910 --> 00:00:25.469 ordinary people talk about things that interest 00:00:25.469 --> 00:00:28.969 them. So anyway, Jan, you were out of town for 00:00:28.969 --> 00:00:30.870 a couple of days. It was just me and a cat. I 00:00:30.870 --> 00:00:33.329 did some math and here are our largest expenses 00:00:33.329 --> 00:00:37.049 for having Bianca. Treats is number one. They're 00:00:37.049 --> 00:00:38.750 freaking expensive. What is the brand of cheese? 00:00:39.670 --> 00:00:41.729 Temptations. Well, they're still, you know, cat 00:00:41.729 --> 00:00:44.049 crack, the crap. Oh, they must be cracked. They 00:00:44.049 --> 00:00:45.710 must be. They have some secret. And now they 00:00:45.710 --> 00:00:48.329 have the stuffed ones. No nutritional value whatsoever. 00:00:48.590 --> 00:00:51.049 No, but they do get her excited. Cat litter would 00:00:51.049 --> 00:00:54.609 be the second largest expense. And then for her, 00:00:54.750 --> 00:00:57.810 it's Neosporin and Band -Aids before food because 00:00:57.810 --> 00:01:00.810 she eats cheap food. And she's definitely glad 00:01:00.810 --> 00:01:03.189 you're back. I'm glad you're back because we're 00:01:03.189 --> 00:01:06.739 running out of Neosporin. Other things that happened 00:01:06.739 --> 00:01:09.799 while you were gone. I threw out our black OXO 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:11.840 spatulas, and then I dug them back out of the 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:13.900 trash again. I have to spend less time on the 00:01:13.900 --> 00:01:15.159 internet. Are you familiar with the story? No, 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:18.680 I'm not. So what is the deal with the black OXO 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:21.799 spatulas? For some reason... Okay, I hate to 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:23.400 tell you, but I don't think we have any black 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:25.900 OXO spatulas. Well, we have black spatulas. They're 00:01:25.900 --> 00:01:27.459 probably not OXO because they've got that special 00:01:27.459 --> 00:01:29.540 handle, I guess. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we 00:01:29.540 --> 00:01:31.780 do. What's wrong with that? Well, it was something 00:01:31.780 --> 00:01:36.340 to do with leaching microplastics. into your 00:01:36.340 --> 00:01:38.439 food, into your frying pan. Well, we have all 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:40.340 that in our brains and everything else. Yeah, 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:42.219 we drink out of plastic water bottles, so it's 00:01:42.219 --> 00:01:44.140 the same thing. Well, it turns out, well, OXO 00:01:44.140 --> 00:01:49.420 went into triage mode and was considering changing 00:01:49.420 --> 00:01:52.659 the color of their, and retailers were considering 00:01:52.659 --> 00:01:54.920 pulling the product. Oh my gosh. And this was 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:58.920 just an online meme. This was not... Something 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:01.760 that was scientifically proven or anybody tested 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:03.540 it or anything like that. Just somebody posted 00:02:03.540 --> 00:02:06.540 online. Wow. It's like crowd bullying. Yeah. 00:02:06.739 --> 00:02:08.919 Or somebody had it in for OXO. I don't know who 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:10.560 owns them or if they own themselves, I should 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:11.500 look at the stock. No, I don't know either. I 00:02:11.500 --> 00:02:13.699 mean, they make very good products. They make 00:02:13.699 --> 00:02:15.240 great products. I heard something about that. 00:02:15.259 --> 00:02:17.159 I really didn't understand what the deal was. 00:02:17.580 --> 00:02:19.139 Well, I don't know if you one time, but John 00:02:19.139 --> 00:02:23.020 Willinger did his grooming tools with OXO. The 00:02:23.020 --> 00:02:24.960 slicker brushes. Yeah. That would make perfect 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:27.539 sense because all their stuff is ergonomic. Yeah. 00:02:27.939 --> 00:02:32.319 And ergonomic. Ergonomic. Yes. Ergonomic. Ergonomic 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:36.319 too. But yeah. So anyway, I don't have any really 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:38.400 big topics this week. It's been a while since 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.080 we've done something, but a bunch of things came 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:42.340 to mind while it was just me and the cat sitting 00:02:42.340 --> 00:02:44.039 around. So I'll throw a few things out. You throw 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:45.539 a few things out. Just want to kind of get your 00:02:45.539 --> 00:02:49.819 opinion on on some of these things. And maybe 00:02:49.819 --> 00:02:51.039 you don't have an opinion because some of them 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:52.659 are just freaking weird. Like this first thing 00:02:52.659 --> 00:02:56.689 that I've got. Whole body deodorant. When did 00:02:56.689 --> 00:03:03.090 that become a thing? My specific recollection 00:03:03.090 --> 00:03:06.710 of that was Lumi, was the woman that was a... 00:03:06.710 --> 00:03:08.810 She was a... Oh, I've seen ads for that one. 00:03:08.810 --> 00:03:10.810 Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was a dermatologist. Gynecologist. 00:03:10.930 --> 00:03:12.889 I think she was a gynecologist. Or gynecologist, 00:03:13.009 --> 00:03:14.189 whatever. Dermatologist, gynecologist. Anyway, 00:03:14.229 --> 00:03:17.050 she was from the medical field and she created 00:03:17.050 --> 00:03:20.340 this whole body deodorant. Yeah, Lumi was a big 00:03:20.340 --> 00:03:22.840 deal. And now it's like totally rebranded under 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:25.319 other names and everybody's doing it. Yeah, there's 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:26.840 like three or four different companies doing 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:29.259 it. I think Old Spice has got one and they've 00:03:29.259 --> 00:03:31.960 got guys spraying in the pants. Well, if I can 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:34.780 smell my balls. I've got a problem that deodorant 00:03:34.780 --> 00:03:37.180 is not going to take care of. Oh my god. Okay, 00:03:37.500 --> 00:03:40.699 take a shower. Yeah. I mean, how hard is that? 00:03:41.060 --> 00:03:43.639 I don't need to like hose myself down with a 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.639 product. Just take a bath. I don't understand. 00:03:47.300 --> 00:03:51.759 Yeah. It's a weird one, but it is a thing. It's 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:53.840 a trend we missed on the stock market because 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:55.680 obviously it's something. Well, if that's a big 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:57.580 deal, people are stupider than I thought, but 00:03:57.580 --> 00:03:59.479 okay. So another stupid thing I read while you 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.860 were gone, Elon Musk. If you use one of his rockets, 00:04:02.939 --> 00:04:07.659 it costs $1 ,500 to send one kilogram into space. 00:04:08.460 --> 00:04:10.520 And I think a kilogram is about 2 point something 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:16.500 pounds. And the Russian company, which puts things 00:04:16.500 --> 00:04:19.839 into space, charges about twice as much. So Elon 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:22.680 Musk is definitely the cheapest alternative if 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:24.360 you want to put something in space. So if somebody 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.319 gave you $1 ,500 and said, I know you want to 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:28.959 launch a person into space, but I'm just talking 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:31.100 about two kilograms. So the person you want to 00:04:31.100 --> 00:04:34.300 launch into space is not going. That would be 00:04:34.300 --> 00:04:36.339 bad. They probably weigh more than that. Can 00:04:36.339 --> 00:04:37.920 you think of anything that you would launch or 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:42.339 not? Oh, what a stupid thing. I'm sorry. I'm 00:04:42.339 --> 00:04:45.120 gonna take two pounds of what butter and send 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.199 that into space I don't know some of the point 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:51.860 is is it for scientific research? $1500 and they 00:04:51.860 --> 00:04:53.199 said you had to spend it on sending something 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:57.879 into space. I Do that money to a homeless person? 00:04:58.740 --> 00:05:01.100 Then then then send something into space. I'm 00:05:01.100 --> 00:05:03.100 sorry. Oh, I agree. And that leads us to a discussion 00:05:03.100 --> 00:05:05.740 we're having in the future This was a hypothetical 00:05:05.740 --> 00:05:08.240 because nobody's gonna give us $1 ,500 to launch 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:10.800 something in the space. Okay. Well, I just think 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:14.990 this whole space thing is a little Yeah Yeah, 00:05:15.189 --> 00:05:17.089 well anyway if I were gonna send something into 00:05:17.089 --> 00:05:20.610 space It would be I'd be two books I don't know 00:05:20.610 --> 00:05:22.029 if they'd come in under the two and a half pound 00:05:22.029 --> 00:05:25.670 limit But just to explain why our species is 00:05:25.670 --> 00:05:27.750 so screwed up I would send and this is gonna 00:05:27.750 --> 00:05:29.750 be controversial which is fine. I would send 00:05:29.750 --> 00:05:32.170 the Bible in the Quran I'd send them both up 00:05:32.170 --> 00:05:33.949 there somebody read that they kind of have an 00:05:33.949 --> 00:05:36.829 understanding why we were just a warring world 00:05:36.829 --> 00:05:44.029 Yeah No, no, I just find that well, I'm sorry. 00:05:44.149 --> 00:05:48.170 I find it frivolous and and and and unimportant 00:05:48.170 --> 00:05:50.649 to just spend that kind of money on stuff But 00:05:50.649 --> 00:05:52.149 then again, I don't believe in going to Mars 00:05:52.149 --> 00:05:55.089 either. Yeah, send the brologarx there. They 00:05:55.089 --> 00:05:58.149 can all go there But going to Mars is like well, 00:05:58.189 --> 00:06:01.230 what the hell for sorry. Yep. Okay, what spate 00:06:01.230 --> 00:06:04.720 moon the moon? The moon makes a little sense 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:06.740 to me, except I've checked it out the first time. 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:08.660 No, I know, and we got microwaves from that, 00:06:08.779 --> 00:06:10.579 right? We've got microwaves. Velcro? Velcro, 00:06:10.779 --> 00:06:15.840 lasers, tang, pens it right upside down. Woohoo! 00:06:15.840 --> 00:06:19.160 Sign me up. There were definitely some side benefits 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:20.680 that probably would have been discovered through 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:22.939 normal research anyway. No, I know, in computers 00:06:22.939 --> 00:06:24.959 and that sort of thing too. So there probably 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:28.199 will be further advancements in things like that 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:30.600 if we did go to Mars. I just think it's kind 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.019 of... I don't want to be in a spaceship for six 00:06:33.019 --> 00:06:35.079 years. I think it's a guy thing, going to Mars. 00:06:35.709 --> 00:06:37.769 You know, that's a good point. I haven't actually 00:06:37.769 --> 00:06:39.990 heard a woman advocate for going to Mars. But 00:06:39.990 --> 00:06:42.790 that's a discussion for another time. But I would 00:06:42.790 --> 00:06:45.350 send up two books. It's kind of like the Viking 00:06:45.350 --> 00:06:47.970 has that gold record on it. And the Viking is 00:06:47.970 --> 00:06:49.970 now about to exit our solar system. So I don't 00:06:49.970 --> 00:06:52.189 know how many billion light years away. What 00:06:52.189 --> 00:06:56.230 was on that record? A bunch of music, our DNA 00:06:56.230 --> 00:06:59.449 code, pictures of human males and human females, 00:06:59.970 --> 00:07:02.269 and then pictures of the Earth, different places 00:07:02.269 --> 00:07:04.529 all around the world. But I'm trying to think 00:07:04.529 --> 00:07:07.310 who did this. music, but there was very good 00:07:07.310 --> 00:07:08.350 music. No, if the aliens had a phonograph, we'd 00:07:08.350 --> 00:07:11.470 be fine. Well, part of the phonograph, too, was 00:07:11.470 --> 00:07:14.750 instructions on how to create a device to play 00:07:14.750 --> 00:07:16.949 the phonograph. So that was all in there. And 00:07:16.949 --> 00:07:18.649 it had prime numbers and other things, so they 00:07:18.649 --> 00:07:21.750 knew it wasn't just they. I don't know who they 00:07:21.750 --> 00:07:28.170 are. Sorry, one word. Hubris. Yeah, I guess so. 00:07:28.310 --> 00:07:35.620 But I don't know. So what do you got? Well, I'm 00:07:35.620 --> 00:07:38.079 kind of concerned about the accusations Trump's 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:41.920 making, and I guess this was at his speech at 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.420 the DOJ earlier this week where he's talking 00:07:44.420 --> 00:07:49.620 about MSNBC and CNN and most of the mainstream 00:07:49.620 --> 00:07:56.160 media as being corrupt. I think that they are 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:58.740 way overusing the word corrupt so they can go 00:07:58.740 --> 00:08:01.560 after it and being in league with the Democrats. 00:08:02.490 --> 00:08:05.430 Okay, if these news outlets are being in league 00:08:05.430 --> 00:08:07.569 with the Democrats, what the heck is Fox News? 00:08:09.069 --> 00:08:11.209 Well, I have some thoughts on this too and then 00:08:11.209 --> 00:08:12.949 it will probably dip into some controversial 00:08:12.949 --> 00:08:18.709 territory on this but One thing is the corruption 00:08:18.709 --> 00:08:21.350 to your point I I think the word is overused 00:08:21.350 --> 00:08:24.449 and it's misused because corruption to me is 00:08:24.449 --> 00:08:30.519 either criminal intent or I don't know what else 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:32.460 it would be. I mean, it just seems to me that 00:08:32.460 --> 00:08:35.419 if you're corrupt, that's a criminal issue. Right. 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:37.620 And I mean, from a news standpoint, you can be 00:08:37.620 --> 00:08:42.019 biased towards, you know, like left or right. 00:08:42.779 --> 00:08:44.960 And so, I mean, that's what Fox News is. They're 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:46.779 definitely biased, in my opinion, towards the 00:08:46.779 --> 00:08:48.720 right. So you have ones that are biased towards 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:51.059 the left. OK, but does that make them corrupt 00:08:51.059 --> 00:08:53.299 or criminal? Yeah. And I don't think they're 00:08:53.299 --> 00:08:54.840 all biased. I don't think they're all biased. 00:08:56.059 --> 00:08:57.519 They're probably not all biased, but I mean, 00:08:57.539 --> 00:09:00.179 I think there is bias and there has been for 00:09:00.179 --> 00:09:02.120 a long time in history, even with newspapers. 00:09:03.460 --> 00:09:05.899 Even before Walter Cronkite with TV, there was 00:09:05.899 --> 00:09:08.960 definitely bias in the media being published 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:16.019 newspapers. So I understand that. But to criminalize 00:09:16.019 --> 00:09:21.159 organizations that are... And the thing is with... 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.519 This was that it was like ninety seven point 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:28.340 six percent of the Stuff that came out from the 00:09:28.340 --> 00:09:32.240 from these two media outlets was um against trump. 00:09:32.779 --> 00:09:36.059 Well Duh, I mean just You just they were probably 00:09:36.059 --> 00:09:37.600 fact -checking them. Well, I know but I mean 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:39.259 you just have to suck it up So, I mean it's just 00:09:39.259 --> 00:09:41.740 like I don't think anybody else before trump 00:09:41.740 --> 00:09:44.820 went after media outlets for disagreeing with 00:09:44.820 --> 00:09:48.309 them That's kind of what media does is they call 00:09:48.309 --> 00:09:49.950 things out. They point things out or whatever. 00:09:50.110 --> 00:09:51.830 And that's part of the First Amendment, I think, 00:09:51.950 --> 00:09:57.590 which is free speech. So to criminalize it by 00:09:57.590 --> 00:10:00.950 casting this broad net of saying corruption, 00:10:01.610 --> 00:10:03.909 which I think was way overused. And I think they're 00:10:03.909 --> 00:10:08.169 using that to weaponize the justice system. But 00:10:08.169 --> 00:10:14.960 whatever. It's just wrong. Do media have leanings 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:17.379 towards left or right? Certainly they do. And 00:10:17.379 --> 00:10:18.899 that's why people ask you, what news do you listen 00:10:18.899 --> 00:10:22.120 to? Because that's like a leading question to 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:26.539 find out what kind of framework your mind or 00:10:26.539 --> 00:10:29.019 your political position comes from, which is 00:10:29.019 --> 00:10:31.360 fine. I don't think there's anything criminal 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:33.679 about that. Fox can say whatever they want to 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.639 say. That's their right. But so can everybody 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:42.700 else. Yeah, I agree with that. I think the I 00:10:42.700 --> 00:10:45.580 think the word corruption does not suit it and 00:10:45.580 --> 00:10:47.659 there is some bias, although I don't think they 00:10:47.659 --> 00:10:49.679 editorialize it much. I know we watch a lot or 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:53.519 I watch a lot of NBC News and I think they're 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:55.960 biased in the stories that they choose to cover, 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:58.419 but I don't think they editorialize on the stories 00:10:58.419 --> 00:11:01.460 that they do cover. I mean, one thing I've noticed 00:11:01.460 --> 00:11:03.879 on Fox, and I do watch more Fox than I should 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:08.259 watch, is the hosts of the shows talk more than 00:11:08.259 --> 00:11:09.940 the person they're interviewing. They already 00:11:09.940 --> 00:11:13.240 put out the opinion ahead of time, and the assumptions 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:16.860 ahead of time, and then what do you think? And 00:11:16.860 --> 00:11:19.600 it's imbalanced. It's two -thirds as the host 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:21.580 talking. When you're doing an interview, I don't 00:11:21.580 --> 00:11:23.639 think the host should talk. Much at all. No, 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:25.399 it's like asking a person after your house burnt 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:27.360 to the ground. How does that make you feel? Yeah, 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:29.320 the media is just yeah, really I mean come on. 00:11:29.580 --> 00:11:32.679 So I I think we can agree the media could really 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:35.720 It could be cleaned up, but it's working themselves. 00:11:35.820 --> 00:11:38.539 But but I mean, but but having a slant or an 00:11:38.539 --> 00:11:41.720 opinion about something I think it's been going 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:44.740 on for a long time Yeah, so then you decide who 00:11:44.740 --> 00:11:46.700 are you going to listen to or whatever? I mean 00:11:46.700 --> 00:11:49.059 one thing that concerns me is like the the Associated 00:11:49.059 --> 00:11:54.179 Press they're like out of the press pool and 00:11:54.179 --> 00:11:56.139 Oval Office and all that stuff. And I think part 00:11:56.139 --> 00:11:58.600 of that is because of not referring to the Gulf 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:03.399 of Mexico as the Gulf of America. And their position 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:05.379 was, at least as I read it, was that they're 00:12:05.379 --> 00:12:09.879 international, and they use the terminology that 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:14.399 their base can understand. So if for however 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:16.889 long... that particular body of water has been 00:12:16.889 --> 00:12:19.070 called or referred to the Gulf of Mexico. If 00:12:19.070 --> 00:12:20.330 you call it the Gulf of America and they don't 00:12:20.330 --> 00:12:22.809 know what you're talking about, that's the reason 00:12:22.809 --> 00:12:26.649 they were doing that. So I'm just, I mean, we've 00:12:26.649 --> 00:12:29.149 definitely been divided for a long time. I totally 00:12:29.149 --> 00:12:31.730 understand that. We have news outlets, whether 00:12:31.730 --> 00:12:37.230 it's print, whatever, that support different 00:12:37.230 --> 00:12:41.070 ideologies politically. I understand that. And 00:12:41.070 --> 00:12:43.600 I think that's okay. I just don't think that 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:45.840 anyone should be penalized for that. Yeah. No, 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:47.480 they shouldn't be penalized just because they 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:49.899 say something that is critical of you or you 00:12:49.899 --> 00:12:52.240 disagree with. Right. Don't listen to them. That's 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:55.700 not right. So what else you got? Oh my gosh. 00:12:55.799 --> 00:13:01.919 Poor Marco Rubio. Oh, geez. I look at him in 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:03.799 some of these situations that he's been in. I 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:08.450 look at his face and I don't know, I just kind 00:13:08.450 --> 00:13:10.909 of feel sorry for him. So I guess my thing, Frank, 00:13:10.929 --> 00:13:14.250 would be kind of an over and under on Marco Rubio 00:13:14.250 --> 00:13:16.570 on how long is he going to last as Secretary 00:13:16.570 --> 00:13:19.090 of State before he just— Okay, pick your over 00:13:19.090 --> 00:13:20.610 and under number and I'll give you an answer. 00:13:21.809 --> 00:13:24.090 Okay. I'm going to say from the beginning of 00:13:24.090 --> 00:13:26.190 the administration, from his appointment, let's 00:13:26.190 --> 00:13:28.009 say—I don't know exactly what date that is, but 00:13:28.009 --> 00:13:30.789 I'm going to pick a date in January—I don't think 00:13:30.789 --> 00:13:35.190 he's going to last more than six months. Okay, 00:13:35.490 --> 00:13:37.870 so you'd be taking me over in what I was thinking. 00:13:37.870 --> 00:13:41.100 I was thinking it's 60 to 90 days from now. Uh, 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.720 and I will take, okay, let me just put it at 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:46.059 90 days. Then you're going out six months. So 00:13:46.059 --> 00:13:48.980 you definitely have the over on 90 days. Um, 00:13:49.259 --> 00:13:52.559 I'll take, I'll take under. I really think that 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:55.120 watching the news, he has been the most invisible 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:58.379 cabinet member. Uh, McMahon from a secretary 00:13:58.379 --> 00:14:02.659 of, uh, education has been on Ludnick or not. 00:14:02.779 --> 00:14:05.379 What's the secretary of commerce? I think it 00:14:05.379 --> 00:14:09.769 is. Yeah, he's been on TV and he's just been 00:14:09.769 --> 00:14:16.639 espousing the Trump philosophy. The treasurer's 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:18.659 secretary has been on TV. Of course, they've 00:14:18.659 --> 00:14:20.419 been on TV a lot because of the tariff things 00:14:20.419 --> 00:14:22.559 and stuff like that, but they've had a lot of 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.620 visibility. But that involves Rubio too. Well, 00:14:26.620 --> 00:14:29.899 it does involve Rubio. And I think so does Ukraine 00:14:29.899 --> 00:14:33.100 and so does Israel and Hamas. But Trump doesn't 00:14:33.100 --> 00:14:35.820 want to have somebody else be the face of that. 00:14:35.940 --> 00:14:40.299 No, I know. And I'm sorry. Rubio got into the 00:14:40.299 --> 00:14:42.759 position and I don't think he was a Trump loyalist 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:45.539 to get into the position. So that's why I don't 00:14:45.539 --> 00:14:47.399 think he's going to last that long because I 00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:51.840 don't think he's going to be able to toe the 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:53.639 line. I think his conscience is going to get 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:56.299 the better of him. Yeah, I think so. I mean, 00:14:56.340 --> 00:15:02.779 the most telling video was the Zelinsky Smackdown. 00:15:03.019 --> 00:15:05.039 Yeah, the Oval Office. He couldn't sink into 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:07.860 that couch any deeper. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I know. 00:15:07.860 --> 00:15:11.320 I felt very sorry for him. And speaking of the 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:12.700 Oval Office, do you mind if I bring something 00:15:12.700 --> 00:15:15.889 up about that? Sure. I would like to bring up 00:15:15.889 --> 00:15:19.889 the golden age of the new Oval Office. I don't 00:15:19.889 --> 00:15:21.570 know if you've noticed, but I have noticed this 00:15:21.570 --> 00:15:26.330 over time, that there's increasingly more gold 00:15:26.330 --> 00:15:29.690 in the Oval Office. They have the staged shots 00:15:29.690 --> 00:15:33.169 of the two chairs, which one would be President 00:15:33.169 --> 00:15:35.610 Trump and the other would be whatever visiting, 00:15:35.610 --> 00:15:39.330 excuse me, dignitary, and they're in front of 00:15:39.330 --> 00:15:42.480 the fireplace. And historically this fireplace 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:45.000 has had on it. It's very interesting. I read 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.919 about this It's a Swedish ivy plant and this 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:53.500 was a gift to John F Kennedy in the 60s and It's 00:15:53.500 --> 00:15:56.019 a symbolic sort of thing. I don't know exactly 00:15:56.019 --> 00:15:58.799 why but anyway, it's symbolic of you know peace 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:00.500 and understanding all that said anyway, it's 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:04.039 been on the mantle of the fireplace in the Oval 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:07.299 Office Well, if it was Kennedy, it's got to be 00:16:07.299 --> 00:16:10.100 the early 60s. Yes, since the early 60s. In some 00:16:10.100 --> 00:16:13.980 way, shape, or form. I'm sure they clip it, and 00:16:13.980 --> 00:16:15.600 different parts of it go different places. But 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.460 anyway, recently, during Trump's administration, 00:16:19.500 --> 00:16:22.500 that was removed. Not necessarily a big deal, 00:16:22.980 --> 00:16:27.279 but it was replaced with all these gold pieces 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:29.159 of statuary or whatever. I don't know exactly 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:31.860 what they are, but it's like when you look at 00:16:32.029 --> 00:16:34.690 the Oval Office, you look at the discussions 00:16:34.690 --> 00:16:37.470 that Trump is having with world leaders, it's 00:16:37.470 --> 00:16:41.570 all in a very gilded kind of environment with 00:16:41.570 --> 00:16:45.049 this gold above the mantle where the plant used 00:16:45.049 --> 00:16:51.110 to be, gold frames, gilded furniture, gold satin 00:16:51.110 --> 00:16:54.250 upholstery. And then, pardon me, the coup de 00:16:54.250 --> 00:16:57.990 grace was not Zelensky's meeting with Trump, 00:16:58.210 --> 00:17:01.000 but when you look at the mantle, of the fireplace 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:04.079 itself, and it's, I think it's faced in, what 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:08.579 would that be, marble. They've stuck on these 00:17:08.579 --> 00:17:11.920 gold filigreed hoo -has, I don't know exactly 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.140 what they are, and it's just like so garish, 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:18.900 and where the hell are we? I mean, is this like 00:17:18.900 --> 00:17:21.599 some third world country or whatever, where everything's 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:25.740 like golden? It just, it seems to me, it's very 00:17:25.740 --> 00:17:29.920 crass. Yes, I can't argue with you. I'm going 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:31.660 to look up the pictures, the photographs, and 00:17:31.660 --> 00:17:33.420 try to put them on our Facebook page so people 00:17:33.420 --> 00:17:36.259 can see the before and after of the fireplace. 00:17:36.779 --> 00:17:38.839 I'm going to find one of Joe Biden in front of 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:40.759 the fireplace. Oh, yeah. I mean, you can see 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:44.920 Ron Reagan. You can see who was the big guy in 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.000 Russia at that time, Gorbachev. All these people 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.180 in front of the fireplace. There's no gold hoo 00:17:50.180 --> 00:17:53.579 -ha on it. And there's this ivy plant. And it's 00:17:53.579 --> 00:17:55.440 been there for years. And obviously, presidents 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.589 can... and do whatever they want to do, it just 00:17:57.589 --> 00:18:01.109 seems crass and tacky. It seems immature to me, 00:18:01.390 --> 00:18:03.869 actually. It just seems childish. It's like having 00:18:03.869 --> 00:18:08.210 spinners on your wheels or gold -plated magnets. 00:18:08.230 --> 00:18:10.430 There you go. Wow. The presidential whatever 00:18:10.430 --> 00:18:13.190 they call that. What do they call it? The beast? 00:18:13.420 --> 00:18:16.940 The Beast. The Beast has gold spinners on it 00:18:16.940 --> 00:18:19.839 now. I like that. That would be good. That would 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:22.880 be very good. All right. Well, I'm not going 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:25.859 to finish up with Trump yet. Sorry. One thing 00:18:25.859 --> 00:18:28.980 I'm tired of, and I do watch too much TV, but 00:18:28.980 --> 00:18:33.759 I am tired of him campaigning and all his people 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:40.930 campaigning. Who's the head of the DOJ, Pam Bondi? 00:18:41.809 --> 00:18:44.130 She's been on, it's probably mostly Fox that 00:18:44.130 --> 00:18:47.849 I see her on, but they're just absolutely campaigning 00:18:47.849 --> 00:18:51.450 just how bad the Biden or how horrible the Biden 00:18:51.450 --> 00:18:54.230 administration was and how wonderful Trump's 00:18:54.230 --> 00:18:58.599 first. term was. It was just perfect. We had 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:00.900 the best of everything, most incredible, and 00:19:00.900 --> 00:19:02.779 under Biden everything was the absolute worst. 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:05.920 And they won. Whether they're right or wrong 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:08.119 on this topic, and I think they're wrong, but 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:09.599 whether they're right or wrong on this, whether 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.539 Biden was terrible and they were wonderful, they 00:19:12.539 --> 00:19:17.119 should stop. They should stop campaigning. Okay, 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:21.279 we've done a fair amount of Trump bashing. We 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:22.900 do have to give him credit for a couple of things. 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:26.640 Yeah, yeah, no, no, we do. We do. I say that 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:30.160 the closing of the southern border is a very 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:31.960 good thing. It was completely out of control 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:35.839 before, and that was a real problem. The whole 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:38.799 asylum system and immigration system or whatever 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:41.769 definitely... is not functional in the United 00:19:41.769 --> 00:19:43.849 States, and it needs to be addressed, and it 00:19:43.849 --> 00:19:46.509 was being taken advantage of. So, yeah, I agree. 00:19:46.730 --> 00:19:49.250 Yeah, and I do believe we need immigrants. In 00:19:49.250 --> 00:19:51.410 order for the country to grow, in order to fill 00:19:51.410 --> 00:19:53.549 the jobs that need to be filled, I think we do 00:19:53.549 --> 00:19:57.490 need to have the population grow. And we're not 00:19:57.490 --> 00:19:59.750 having enough kids to fill the gap. So I think 00:19:59.750 --> 00:20:01.390 immigration is a good idea. I think we have to 00:20:01.390 --> 00:20:04.630 streamline the process, the legal process, to 00:20:04.630 --> 00:20:06.970 get into the country. I think that has to be 00:20:06.970 --> 00:20:09.950 made a little bit more clear and a little easier. 00:20:09.990 --> 00:20:12.369 I don't think the five million dollar gold card 00:20:12.369 --> 00:20:14.349 is a good idea because anybody with five million 00:20:14.349 --> 00:20:16.829 dollars can get into the country. And unfortunately, 00:20:16.890 --> 00:20:19.049 there are a lot of unsavory people that have 00:20:19.049 --> 00:20:22.349 five million dollars. So I'm not really in favor 00:20:22.349 --> 00:20:24.650 of that. But I do like that he did shut down 00:20:24.650 --> 00:20:29.190 the border. I also like his executive order on 00:20:29.190 --> 00:20:32.650 the transgender men participating in women's 00:20:32.650 --> 00:20:36.670 sports. Are they transgender women? Anyway, biological 00:20:36.670 --> 00:20:41.009 men who were born male. and are identified on 00:20:41.009 --> 00:20:44.230 their birth certificate as being male should 00:20:44.230 --> 00:20:46.269 not be participating in women's sports. And when 00:20:46.269 --> 00:20:49.049 they have participated in women's sports, it's 00:20:49.049 --> 00:20:53.049 been obvious, excuse me, that they have an insane 00:20:53.049 --> 00:20:55.630 advantage. The guy that set the pole vault thing, 00:20:55.750 --> 00:20:58.650 did you see that? He broke the old record, the 00:20:58.650 --> 00:21:02.170 world record for women's pole vaulting by like 00:21:02.170 --> 00:21:05.170 a foot and a half. It wasn't an inch. I know, 00:21:05.829 --> 00:21:08.609 but however you identify that, that's fun. I've 00:21:08.609 --> 00:21:10.490 got no problem with that. It's just but it but 00:21:10.490 --> 00:21:14.430 it's physiology that it's really it's it's it's 00:21:14.430 --> 00:21:19.210 unfair Yeah, and and I don't understand why Not 00:21:19.210 --> 00:21:20.769 saying that people, you know shouldn't pursue 00:21:20.769 --> 00:21:24.390 what they want to do regardless of Identify they 00:21:24.390 --> 00:21:26.069 are how they identify but it's just like okay. 00:21:26.230 --> 00:21:30.549 Can you just leave sports alone? Yeah Yeah, I 00:21:30.549 --> 00:21:33.109 think that was a good call. And basically all 00:21:33.109 --> 00:21:34.750 he did was say that they're going to pull the 00:21:34.750 --> 00:21:38.150 funding from schools. Federal funding, yeah. 00:21:38.289 --> 00:21:40.289 Federal funding. Right, exactly. And schools 00:21:40.289 --> 00:21:42.329 don't need funding. Most of these freaking schools 00:21:42.329 --> 00:21:44.250 have such large endowments that I don't even 00:21:44.250 --> 00:21:46.450 know why we give them any money at all. The other 00:21:46.450 --> 00:21:49.009 thing he did, which is kind of related to that, 00:21:49.589 --> 00:21:51.549 is state that there are only two genders, that 00:21:51.549 --> 00:21:53.730 the United States is going to recognize two genders. 00:21:53.809 --> 00:21:56.509 Now, you can be gay or straight. So maybe you 00:21:56.509 --> 00:21:58.509 could argue there are four genders. I'm not really 00:21:58.509 --> 00:22:01.309 sure. But biologically, there are two genders. 00:22:01.470 --> 00:22:03.849 And I know there is exceptions with hermaphrodites, 00:22:03.990 --> 00:22:06.150 which I don't know what percentage of the population 00:22:06.150 --> 00:22:08.869 they make, but I'm sure it's in the hundreds 00:22:08.869 --> 00:22:12.849 of thousands or something very low. But I agree 00:22:12.849 --> 00:22:15.390 that there are, and I don't want to sound too 00:22:15.390 --> 00:22:17.210 much like a traditionalist or too much like a 00:22:17.210 --> 00:22:19.289 conservative, but I agree that there are two 00:22:19.289 --> 00:22:23.390 genders. Yeah, I I I don't think he needed to 00:22:23.390 --> 00:22:26.450 make that that statement or declaration personally 00:22:26.450 --> 00:22:28.789 I think people are should be able to do what 00:22:28.789 --> 00:22:31.289 they want to do and be whoever they want to be 00:22:31.289 --> 00:22:34.029 and and that's And that's fine when it comes 00:22:34.029 --> 00:22:37.230 to sports physiology matters And I think that 00:22:37.230 --> 00:22:39.869 there is a disadvantage or advantage in that 00:22:39.869 --> 00:22:43.049 if you have biological men participate formally 00:22:43.049 --> 00:22:47.809 men participating in women's sports But everything 00:22:47.809 --> 00:22:50.200 else and the other thing is it's like what? An 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:52.980 executive order, I'm sorry, what on earth does 00:22:52.980 --> 00:22:56.420 that mean? Is that just a statement? Is it just 00:22:56.420 --> 00:23:01.079 somebody writing something and signing it? It's 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:04.380 hard to understand what kind of gravitas it has 00:23:04.380 --> 00:23:08.059 because in the past so many things were related 00:23:08.059 --> 00:23:09.900 to Congress. I mean, because we have the three 00:23:09.900 --> 00:23:12.339 branches, the executive, the legislative, and 00:23:12.339 --> 00:23:16.359 the judicial, that it just seems like one branch 00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:19.900 can't just arbitrarily say, la la la, la la la, 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:22.359 la la la, and then that's it. Or maybe they can. 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:24.940 I don't know, but I'm confused by that, honestly. 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:26.900 I'd have to look into it a little bit further 00:23:26.900 --> 00:23:28.980 on what exactly an executive order is. I know 00:23:28.980 --> 00:23:31.019 they can be reversed by the next president because 00:23:31.019 --> 00:23:33.839 Trump reversed a ton of Biden executive orders. 00:23:34.420 --> 00:23:38.420 So they're not laws. I don't know if they're 00:23:38.420 --> 00:23:40.700 suggestions or they're orders, but it is called 00:23:40.700 --> 00:23:44.220 the executive branch. Executives should have 00:23:44.220 --> 00:23:47.920 executive privileges. Oh, I agree. Yeah, I mean, 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:50.279 I have to look at it a little bit more, but that's 00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:53.960 probably another topic for us on another day. 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:58.859 OK, so on a positive note, what are you listening 00:23:58.859 --> 00:24:01.940 to this week, Frank? This week, it's been Donald 00:24:01.940 --> 00:24:06.000 Fagan's 1982 album, The Night Fly. It was critically 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:10.039 acclaimed. It was also, I don't know if it charted 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:12.279 out at number one, but it went very high up on 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:16.119 the charts. It's a blend of jazz, rock, pop. 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:18.920 And it deals with Fagan's fascination with post 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.440 -World War II optimism and anxiety. And by the 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:23.039 way, those that are not familiar with the Donald 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:25.759 Fagan name, you'll know him from Steely Dan, 00:24:26.180 --> 00:24:29.680 which had a number of hits and chart -topping 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:34.220 albums in the 70s. And Donald Fagan and Walter 00:24:34.220 --> 00:24:37.420 Becker were the founders of that. They used studio 00:24:37.420 --> 00:24:40.920 musicians for all the other stuff, but they were 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:43.000 a band for quite some time and put out a number 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:44.700 of really good albums. I think their number one 00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:50.319 album was Asia. Asia was used to demonstrate 00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:53.039 stereo equipment. That was very good. Anyway, 00:24:53.220 --> 00:24:56.559 the album, The Night Flight, it's lyrically provoking. 00:24:57.019 --> 00:24:59.640 It's got exceptional quality. And although I 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:01.819 sold it, I'll just add this in here. I had the 00:25:01.819 --> 00:25:05.900 mobile Fidelity 2 -disc 45 RPM pressing. It was 00:25:05.900 --> 00:25:07.940 easily one of the best sounding albums I've ever 00:25:07.940 --> 00:25:11.119 owned. And now that I don't have a turntable, 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:12.980 I don't really regret getting rid of it, but 00:25:12.980 --> 00:25:16.319 it sold for quite a bit of money. On the album, 00:25:16.339 --> 00:25:18.900 my favorite track is the Goodbye Look. It's about 00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:20.920 one of the last Romanian Americans on a third 00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:23.380 world tropical island that's going through political 00:25:23.380 --> 00:25:26.740 upheaval. It's a lighthearted take musically 00:25:26.740 --> 00:25:29.460 on a very serious topic. I mean, I think of Cuba 00:25:29.460 --> 00:25:32.420 when I listen to it. I think one of the lines 00:25:32.420 --> 00:25:36.279 is wake up, darling, they're knocking the colonels 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:38.539 at the door or something like that with the stupid 00:25:38.539 --> 00:25:43.039 glasses and the gun. And you just picture one 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:44.319 of those third world people with the hand of 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:48.160 the baseball cap and military fatigues with the 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:52.759 aviator glasses. The stogie, the cigar. So I 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:54.900 give the album an A plus right across the board 00:25:54.900 --> 00:25:57.900 and give it a listen if you get a chance. I guarantee 00:25:57.900 --> 00:25:59.539 you won't be disappointed. It is a good one. 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:02.240 Yeah, it's very good. Well, that's it for now. 00:26:02.500 --> 00:26:04.500 Remember, you can always leave comments and criticisms, 00:26:04.819 --> 00:26:06.779 probably mostly criticisms on our Facebook page. 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.240 Two voices and there's a comma one journey. If 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:11.819 you just type in two voices, you get a bunch 00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:14.690 of other. You got a bunch of others. But if you 00:26:14.690 --> 00:26:17.829 also, if you Google us, you can choose what outlet 00:26:17.829 --> 00:26:21.509 that you want to listen to us on. And on Facebook, 00:26:21.589 --> 00:26:23.970 like I said, leave comments and criticisms. We're 00:26:23.970 --> 00:26:26.289 open to it. I know we're a little bit amateurish, 00:26:26.289 --> 00:26:28.049 but hopefully we're getting better. And suggestions 00:26:28.049 --> 00:26:30.269 for things to talk about. Yes, suggestions for 00:26:30.269 --> 00:26:31.390 things to talk about. I would love that. Yes, 00:26:31.390 --> 00:26:33.549 that would make life a lot easier if we had some 00:26:33.549 --> 00:26:35.609 suggestions on things to talk about. And we'll 00:26:35.609 --> 00:26:38.170 pretty much accept anything. Yeah, absolutely. 00:26:38.589 --> 00:26:41.549 Yeah. So until next time. Sounds good. Thanks, 00:26:41.690 --> 00:26:44.670 Frank. Oh, thank you, Jan. I will talk to you 00:26:44.670 --> 00:26:47.789 in a moment after I stop recording. Okay. Bye.