WEBVTT 00:00:04.460 --> 00:00:06.780 Alright. I started every intro with alright. 00:00:07.759 --> 00:00:10.179 If we haven't noticed. Indeed. I picked that 00:00:10.179 --> 00:00:15.660 up. It's raining and I'm tired. What are we up 00:00:15.660 --> 00:00:18.640 to? It's hot. It's less hot. I'm having technical 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:22.359 difficulties. Not with this. I'm not here right 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:24.420 now. Oh, you're having technical difficulties. 00:00:25.100 --> 00:00:31.179 Well, I meant... Okay. What are we doing? I'm 00:00:31.179 --> 00:00:33.799 staring at a sign we're about to put up. That's 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:36.100 true. That's a very nice sign. It's a great sign 00:00:36.100 --> 00:00:41.859 for our new store location. We're having an event 00:00:41.859 --> 00:00:46.280 this weekend. Friday, not Friday. It's Saturday. 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:48.560 It's Saturday. It's a grand opening. Saturday 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:51.280 night, we have our reopening event starting at 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:54.039 5 o 'clock. You should come out for that. It'll 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:56.880 be a good time. When's that wrapping up? Probably 00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:00.399 9. Everyone should get out of here by 9. We close 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.939 at 9 and I will not be pressing it later. It's 00:01:03.939 --> 00:01:08.519 fair. I gotta get home Did you have any do any 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:10.519 recommendations before we get into this episode 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:15.359 any normal recommendations I started gilded rage, 00:01:15.620 --> 00:01:19.159 which is more on the the tech bro stuff. Okay, 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.060 which is pretty fascinating I highly recommend 00:01:23.060 --> 00:01:25.439 that if you're if you're interested in the nerd 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:27.930 right material Similar stuff this one centers 00:01:27.930 --> 00:01:32.650 on Elon a little more and shows some of the extra 00:01:32.650 --> 00:01:35.890 -legal stuff he's done Politically and business 00:01:35.890 --> 00:01:39.129 -wise how much Saudi money is involved in X. 00:01:39.290 --> 00:01:43.510 It's a weird murky murky network of scumbags 00:01:44.350 --> 00:01:47.150 It's definitely it shows it shows how they seem 00:01:47.150 --> 00:01:49.329 to just appear it out of appear out of nowhere 00:01:49.329 --> 00:01:51.090 It's like oh, they've been doing this for like 00:01:51.090 --> 00:01:53.609 20 years speaking of Saudi Arabia. Yeah, it's 00:01:53.609 --> 00:01:56.010 about to be the 25th anniversary of 9 -eleven 00:01:56.010 --> 00:02:00.090 anyway Do you want to you want to do do a 9 -eleven 00:02:00.090 --> 00:02:04.629 episode? I don't think I do it kind of do People 00:02:04.629 --> 00:02:09.229 gotta know Sam people gotta know Only if we can 00:02:09.229 --> 00:02:12.680 tie it to Manson I do Let me think for a minute. 00:02:12.780 --> 00:02:15.479 I bet we can. I bet it wouldn't even be that 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:20.340 hard in all honesty. Instead of like seven degrees 00:02:20.340 --> 00:02:24.300 of separation like the Kevin Bacon thing. The 00:02:24.300 --> 00:02:26.680 Manson case. It's like closer to that. Like you 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:30.659 can do three and get to like any one. Do you 00:02:30.659 --> 00:02:35.240 want to do 9 -11? Right now? No. Because we have 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:37.199 a different episode. That's gonna take a little 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:39.069 bit of rec - I'm gonna have to... hit a book 00:02:39.069 --> 00:02:43.469 real fast do i have a recommended yeah i do movie 00:02:43.469 --> 00:02:48.330 operation avalanche it is by the same guys that 00:02:48.330 --> 00:02:51.590 did nirvana the band the show nirvana the band 00:02:51.590 --> 00:02:56.509 the show the movie i recently discovered that 00:02:56.509 --> 00:02:58.949 that guy matt johnson is the guy that directed 00:02:58.949 --> 00:03:02.349 the oh my god anthony bourdain movie that just 00:03:02.349 --> 00:03:05.069 came out and also the blackberry movie with glenn 00:03:05.069 --> 00:03:10.449 howerton He looks a little different in the show 00:03:10.449 --> 00:03:12.770 and in life like they're not enough or you're 00:03:12.770 --> 00:03:16.270 like, oh, it's a different guy but like You could 00:03:16.270 --> 00:03:20.710 see how I'd be like, wait a fucking second Operation 00:03:20.710 --> 00:03:24.090 Avalanche is like a found footage quote -unquote 00:03:24.090 --> 00:03:28.900 movie documentary style of the moon landing And 00:03:28.900 --> 00:03:32.240 faking it. Is this Kubrick's version? No, so 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:34.419 that they do go to Kubrick at one point to figure 00:03:34.419 --> 00:03:37.219 out how the fuck he's filming space. Right. Well, 00:03:37.219 --> 00:03:39.479 it was that Zeiss lens that there were only ten 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:42.139 of that he had. Well, there was also like a forest, 00:03:42.460 --> 00:03:44.000 because they're trying to figure out the backdrops. 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:46.319 Okay. There's like a mirror thing that he was 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:49.580 doing. Okay. Where it looks like there's endless 00:03:49.580 --> 00:03:53.680 dimensions in a 2D thing. Sure. But it's like... 00:03:54.030 --> 00:03:57.810 It's a quote documentary team of FBI agents making 00:03:57.810 --> 00:04:01.210 a documentary on NASA Okay, then decide that 00:04:01.210 --> 00:04:03.210 they find out you can't they can't land on the 00:04:03.210 --> 00:04:07.370 moon. All right, their plan is to Fake it sure 00:04:07.370 --> 00:04:11.509 and it's that yeah That sounds fun. It's fun. 00:04:11.509 --> 00:04:13.830 And then suddenly like it's kind of not fun. 00:04:13.889 --> 00:04:16.470 Mm -hmm like at the beginning You're like, oh 00:04:16.470 --> 00:04:19.910 a farce and by the end you're like, oh a conspiracy 00:04:19.910 --> 00:04:25.639 thriller Is that a guy hanging? Yeah, you know 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:27.860 what I mean? There's always somebody hanging. 00:04:28.220 --> 00:04:32.680 Yeah, but it's it's good. It's a good movie Those 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:36.699 guys are Matt Johnson and J. McCarroll are interesting 00:04:36.699 --> 00:04:42.339 Creators yeah And I got to watch Blackberry now 00:04:42.339 --> 00:04:44.899 Blackberry it's about the making of the Blackberry 00:04:44.899 --> 00:04:48.300 phone the rise and fall of Blackberry's I got 00:04:48.300 --> 00:04:51.170 a I gotta get hip to these guys. Starring Glenn 00:04:51.170 --> 00:04:52.930 Howerton from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. 00:04:53.170 --> 00:04:57.970 Ah, yeah. Alright. Anyway, this is an episode 00:04:57.970 --> 00:05:04.470 with Gareth Maxwell. Right? That's his middle 00:05:04.470 --> 00:05:06.209 name. Is that his middle name? It is. Oh yeah, 00:05:06.290 --> 00:05:09.470 I couldn't... You'll see why we're laughing about 00:05:09.470 --> 00:05:15.310 this at the beginning of the episode. Because... 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:19.579 I won't spoil it for you, but it's funny as to 00:05:19.579 --> 00:05:23.860 why he has a stage name. But he directed the 00:05:23.860 --> 00:05:28.259 documentary Oil in the Blood, which is about... 00:05:28.259 --> 00:05:30.000 I'm sorry, I'm just thinking it's definitely 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:36.100 the right Gareth. Yeah, not the other Gareth. 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:40.560 We're not talking about other Gareth. But he 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:42.980 directed the documentary Oil in the Blood. Yes. 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:47.970 It is about... Not entirely England. It's heavily 00:05:47.970 --> 00:05:49.910 England because he's British. Well, it's global. 00:05:50.009 --> 00:05:54.089 The custom bite culture. There are interviews 00:05:54.089 --> 00:05:56.490 with Americans and Japanese people, etc. But 00:05:56.490 --> 00:05:58.829 the part that I was fascinated by the most was 00:05:58.829 --> 00:06:01.009 the British side. Yeah. Because it's a different 00:06:01.009 --> 00:06:03.810 culture than our culture. I'm not going to go 00:06:03.810 --> 00:06:05.709 into HAL right now because the episode goes into 00:06:05.709 --> 00:06:07.529 HAL. That one in Portland looked pretty cool 00:06:07.529 --> 00:06:10.290 too. Which one? Oh yeah. That looked interesting. 00:06:10.449 --> 00:06:14.410 Yeah. but a lot of cool stuff in oil in the blood 00:06:14.410 --> 00:06:17.689 we talked a lot about the differences between 00:06:17.689 --> 00:06:22.410 the the vibe of like choppers quote -unquote 00:06:22.410 --> 00:06:25.970 or custom bikes mmm in the American culture versus 00:06:25.970 --> 00:06:28.329 different places around the world and how our 00:06:28.329 --> 00:06:32.069 inherent national like zeitgeist and history 00:06:32.069 --> 00:06:34.930 affects what we're into and what they're into 00:06:34.930 --> 00:06:37.069 and how they even go about building those bikes 00:06:37.069 --> 00:06:40.660 right And I found that to be interesting. Yeah, 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:42.779 me too. And I imagine he did too. He made a whole 00:06:42.779 --> 00:06:46.839 documentary about it. He's into bikes. He's into 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:52.720 them. But without further ado, here's the correct 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.800 Gareth. Who's the Gareth you would like? And 00:06:55.800 --> 00:07:08.769 not that other one who did some stuff. I was 00:07:08.769 --> 00:07:12.310 wondering if you were going to be British. I 00:07:12.310 --> 00:07:16.250 was also wondering that. You've got to be correct. 00:07:16.389 --> 00:07:21.069 Yes, I am British. I'm from London. Gareth Maxwell 00:07:21.069 --> 00:07:27.889 is a pretty British name. To my friends, it's 00:07:27.889 --> 00:07:32.939 just Gareth. The Maxwell is my middle name. But 00:07:32.939 --> 00:07:35.939 the reason why I use that for work, primarily 00:07:35.939 --> 00:07:37.959 in the film side, is that there's another Gareth 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:42.980 Roberts out there who is a writer in the UK and 00:07:42.980 --> 00:07:46.240 he got done for sex offences. So I wanted to 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.220 make sure that I kept myself very separate from 00:07:49.220 --> 00:07:51.319 him. You know, it's like, no, I'm not that dude. 00:07:52.860 --> 00:07:56.079 I mean, my real name is Bill Cosby, so I go by 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:01.459 something else. Smart move on your part. And 00:08:01.459 --> 00:08:07.240 you're Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, okay. I mean, it 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:11.160 was... I was honestly happy, because I assume 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:13.699 based on the documentary that you were going 00:08:13.699 --> 00:08:18.360 to be British, and the documentary Oil in the 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:23.050 Blood that you made has... a lot on a culture 00:08:23.050 --> 00:08:24.990 that's very similar to the culture that we're 00:08:24.990 --> 00:08:28.769 involved in, in Kentucky. But it's just like 00:08:28.769 --> 00:08:32.230 a little bit different. So it's very interesting 00:08:32.230 --> 00:08:35.990 to me to see the British side of like the custom 00:08:35.990 --> 00:08:39.029 bike culture. Yeah, the similarities and the 00:08:39.029 --> 00:08:42.450 differences. You know, so can you kind of talk 00:08:42.450 --> 00:08:44.649 a little bit about what the custom scene is like 00:08:44.649 --> 00:08:48.549 over there in the UK? Well, I mean, just as a, 00:08:48.549 --> 00:08:50.889 you know, just as a kind of Just as a caveat, 00:08:51.169 --> 00:08:53.490 I'm actually in Austin now. I live in Austin. 00:08:53.669 --> 00:08:55.509 I've lived here for kind of like the last five 00:08:55.509 --> 00:08:59.210 years now, so I moved here. Okay. Yeah, I actually 00:08:59.210 --> 00:09:01.009 moved here in 2000. It was nearly six years ago 00:09:01.009 --> 00:09:04.429 actually, beginning of 2020, just in time for 00:09:04.429 --> 00:09:08.230 COVID. Okay, yeah. Yeah, and that was just after 00:09:08.230 --> 00:09:11.870 All in the Blood was released. So, yeah, I mean, 00:09:13.009 --> 00:09:16.460 I'm still kind of... You know, I still have a 00:09:16.460 --> 00:09:19.960 lot of friends in that scene over in the UK, 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:26.659 but it has changed. There was this kind of sweet 00:09:26.659 --> 00:09:34.259 spot there, really, from about 2011, 2012, to 00:09:34.259 --> 00:09:40.539 around about the time I left, where we kind of 00:09:40.539 --> 00:09:42.879 described it as a new wave custom culture, because 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:44.960 it was... You know, there's always been a custom 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:48.580 culture in the UK, but it was very distinct from 00:09:48.580 --> 00:09:51.539 what had come before. Like, you know, what had 00:09:51.539 --> 00:09:54.320 been there before kind of fell into really into 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:57.679 three strands. It was like a cafe racer strand, 00:09:58.379 --> 00:10:03.600 which was usually a bunch of old blokes with 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:06.259 specifically British bikes, old British bikes. 00:10:07.259 --> 00:10:11.970 Then you had the Harley Chopper scene. which 00:10:11.970 --> 00:10:17.190 was a pretty small scene there, really. And then 00:10:17.190 --> 00:10:19.789 you just had the kind of the vintage classic 00:10:19.789 --> 00:10:22.250 guys who were just kind of like, you know, just 00:10:22.250 --> 00:10:26.629 into kind of faithful restorations. And, you 00:10:26.629 --> 00:10:31.169 know, when the whole, you know, financial class 00:10:31.169 --> 00:10:34.309 came in 2008, nobody had any money. And, you 00:10:34.309 --> 00:10:36.070 know, so everybody's, you know, people just started 00:10:36.070 --> 00:10:38.750 looking on eBay, really, looking for, you know, 00:10:38.850 --> 00:10:41.049 old bikes that they could pick up for cheap. 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:43.899 And, you know, just anything that they'd get 00:10:43.899 --> 00:10:45.960 their hands on, they started working on. And 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:49.279 that kind of coincided with a whole kind of broadband 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:54.059 thing where, you know, you could start talking 00:10:54.059 --> 00:10:56.100 to people in other parts of the world. So it 00:10:56.100 --> 00:10:59.899 wasn't quite so isolated and siloed. And it was 00:10:59.899 --> 00:11:01.799 really exciting, really interesting because it 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:03.519 brought all the kind of different elements together 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:06.379 into one kind of like into one thing. And it 00:11:06.379 --> 00:11:13.250 kind of it brushed all the kind of clickiness 00:11:13.250 --> 00:11:19.230 away and also for a while it got rid of the whole 00:11:19.230 --> 00:11:24.789 money thing really so that you could turn up 00:11:24.789 --> 00:11:31.460 a bike meet on a 500 buck. a Yamaha RD -250 with 00:11:31.460 --> 00:11:33.700 a skateboard for a seat and you could park it 00:11:33.700 --> 00:11:38.179 next to a beautifully restored Vincent and people 00:11:38.179 --> 00:11:40.440 would be equally interested in both and it wouldn't 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:43.519 be like, you know. It was really interesting 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:47.840 and it kind of, it grew and it became a really 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:51.679 big thing for a while there. And what I liked 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:54.720 about it was, you know, you know I'm getting 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:57.279 on now I've been riding motorcycles for you know 00:11:57.279 --> 00:12:00.299 really the best part of 50 years and you know 00:12:00.299 --> 00:12:04.399 for the longest time like me riding bikes was 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:06.059 pretty you know it's just me and a couple of 00:12:06.059 --> 00:12:07.700 friends and I didn't really kind of get into 00:12:07.700 --> 00:12:10.299 the whole social social side of it because it 00:12:10.299 --> 00:12:14.259 was kind of whack and with this whole custom 00:12:14.259 --> 00:12:16.580 scene coming along it made everything you know 00:12:16.580 --> 00:12:18.279 it brought a lot of younger people in but it 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.240 also made it lot more social and it was you know, 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.059 there's a lot more women involved and it was 00:12:24.059 --> 00:12:26.639 just you know, it was it pulled it away from 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:30.639 that kind of real kind of greaser thing and It 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:34.120 was great and you know people People were doing 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:35.980 all sorts of things with all sorts of different 00:12:35.980 --> 00:12:40.019 bikes and I think over certainly over there there 00:12:40.019 --> 00:12:46.480 was less kind of You know, it was less siloed, 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:49.429 you know You get people were into everything 00:12:49.429 --> 00:12:51.090 so you'd have people would have you would have 00:12:51.090 --> 00:12:53.610 a chopper people would have a Cafe racer they'd 00:12:53.610 --> 00:12:56.830 have a brat and and they'd be making doing stuff 00:12:56.830 --> 00:13:00.450 that was kind of Anywhere in between yeah, I 00:13:00.450 --> 00:13:04.049 mean here we have in our I mean America obviously 00:13:04.049 --> 00:13:08.730 we had Harley forever being the biggest brand 00:13:08.730 --> 00:13:14.350 Yeah, and it's still pretty heavily is you know 00:13:14.350 --> 00:13:17.690 and a lot of the All the events that we go to, 00:13:17.850 --> 00:13:20.490 I mean, if you've been to Born Free down in Texas 00:13:20.490 --> 00:13:26.789 or Fandango, it's like 98 % Harley -Davidson's. 00:13:27.730 --> 00:13:32.990 And I've recently... Been you know, historically 00:13:32.990 --> 00:13:35.110 I've been like Harleys are nothing they suck 00:13:35.110 --> 00:13:40.570 but that's the bike, you know And but like, you 00:13:40.570 --> 00:13:42.590 know I've recently in the past couple months 00:13:42.590 --> 00:13:45.610 been like I kind of want to you know a CV chopper 00:13:45.610 --> 00:13:49.289 and then when I was watching Your documentary 00:13:49.289 --> 00:13:51.610 and I'm looking at all these BSA's and triumphs. 00:13:51.690 --> 00:13:57.529 I'm like those are pretty cool too, man And it's 00:13:57.529 --> 00:14:02.399 interesting how we don't have Really the same 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:04.700 like breakup at these events like, you know, 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:08.360 you might have a metric Portion of a bike show, 00:14:08.379 --> 00:14:11.059 but it's gonna be four or five bikes versus 70. 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:15.500 Yeah and like I don't know I mean in England, 00:14:15.500 --> 00:14:18.659 I guess Because I mean triumphs are made there 00:14:18.659 --> 00:14:28.690 or at least they were Yeah You know, it's so 00:14:28.690 --> 00:14:30.929 entrenched in American culture, right? And it's 00:14:30.929 --> 00:14:34.190 like, Harley had been making motorcycles since 00:14:34.190 --> 00:14:36.830 motorcycles began, and they've been continuously 00:14:36.830 --> 00:14:40.250 making motorcycles to this day. So it's like, 00:14:40.470 --> 00:14:42.009 you know, and other brands have come and lost. 00:14:42.309 --> 00:14:44.250 You know, American brands have come and gone. 00:14:44.330 --> 00:14:46.409 I mean, Indian, arguably, are back, but they're 00:14:46.409 --> 00:14:48.990 not the same company as they were when they were 00:14:48.990 --> 00:14:51.750 making bikes in the 20s and 30s. No, but I've 00:14:51.750 --> 00:14:54.169 been looking at a lot of new Indians and they 00:14:54.169 --> 00:14:56.429 look sick. They've been turning my head recently. 00:15:00.040 --> 00:15:02.860 They're nice bikes, but I understand that it's, 00:15:02.860 --> 00:15:06.159 you know, it's like, no one's ever gonna tip 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:09.279 that in the U .S. away from, that focus away 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:10.960 from Harley's because it's just so entrenched 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:14.100 in American culture, right? We don't have that 00:15:14.100 --> 00:15:17.399 in the UK because like our golden age of making 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:19.840 motorcycles you know kind of ended in the you 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:23.179 know the late 70s early 80s when you know when 00:15:23.179 --> 00:15:25.700 triumph as they existed went out of business 00:15:25.700 --> 00:15:28.779 and I didn't know they did Yeah, see they went 00:15:28.779 --> 00:15:31.259 out of business like so so you know you had all 00:15:31.259 --> 00:15:35.970 these The heyday was in the 30s where you had 00:15:35.970 --> 00:15:38.350 literally hundreds of different motorcycle brands 00:15:38.350 --> 00:15:40.549 and then slowly and surely they all kind of fell 00:15:40.549 --> 00:15:42.950 by the wayside and it really left three, it left 00:15:42.950 --> 00:15:47.330 Triumph, PSA and Norman. and then they all floundered 00:15:47.330 --> 00:15:49.570 really because the Japanese bikes started coming 00:15:49.570 --> 00:15:52.029 in and honestly the Japanese bikes were just 00:15:52.029 --> 00:15:54.289 so much better than you know they were just so 00:15:54.289 --> 00:15:57.889 much more modern than the British bikes and then 00:15:57.889 --> 00:16:01.110 so Norton BSA and Triumph kind of consolidated 00:16:01.110 --> 00:16:03.909 under Triumph and it was a kind of slow painful 00:16:03.909 --> 00:16:06.730 death and by the early 80s they went bankrupt 00:16:06.730 --> 00:16:09.990 so they stopped and they went so you know the 00:16:09.990 --> 00:16:12.070 new Triumph... So Inter was making no bikes in 00:16:12.070 --> 00:16:16.399 the 80s? No, I mean... The brand got brought 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:19.299 up, the name got brought up by this guy called 00:16:19.299 --> 00:16:22.580 John Blore who was a big property developer basically. 00:16:23.539 --> 00:16:27.779 He started the company that is now the Triumph 00:16:27.779 --> 00:16:31.559 that we have now. It depends who you talk to. 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:34.720 I'm guilty of a really horrible snobbery about 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:38.279 those bikes. They're not real as I am. So I also 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:40.580 had a really bad experience buying what I bought. 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:45.299 The only new road bike that I've ever bought 00:16:45.299 --> 00:16:48.120 in my entire life, and I've owned over 100 motorcycles, 00:16:48.500 --> 00:16:52.559 was a Triumph T95 Daytona I bought in the late 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:55.039 90s. I bought it brand new from the dealership 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:56.879 and it was a nightmare. It was a useless thing. 00:16:57.740 --> 00:17:01.980 It was back in to the dealer literally nine times 00:17:01.980 --> 00:17:04.140 within a year and in the end I just got rid of 00:17:04.140 --> 00:17:08.579 it because of it. But so it's like, it's not 00:17:08.579 --> 00:17:11.599 like here with the Harley thing. It's like Triumph, 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:13.480 yeah, it's there, but it's a new company and 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:16.099 it's trading off an old name that doesn't really, 00:17:16.099 --> 00:17:19.420 you know, respect particularly. Yeah, I mean, 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:23.420 because also here we had a lot of the motorcycle 00:17:23.420 --> 00:17:26.759 culture here comes from the clubs, right? And 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:29.460 the clubs had to ride Harley's because they were 00:17:29.460 --> 00:17:32.539 made here. There's no other real reason for it. 00:17:33.630 --> 00:17:36.769 And from my understanding, the British version 00:17:36.769 --> 00:17:40.329 of all these clubs were supposed to ride like 00:17:40.329 --> 00:17:44.670 a Triumph or a BSA, but I didn't realize that 00:17:44.670 --> 00:17:49.210 it was technically a different company now. But 00:17:49.210 --> 00:17:54.589 I have heard a lot of modern stories about people 00:17:54.589 --> 00:17:58.289 getting new Harleys, and it's the same thing 00:17:58.289 --> 00:18:00.500 where they got to bring them back. you know, 00:18:00.619 --> 00:18:02.819 less than a thousand miles, like the engine just 00:18:02.819 --> 00:18:05.259 blows because the computer chips bad. Yeah. Or 00:18:05.259 --> 00:18:06.940 the chip in the computer is bad or something 00:18:06.940 --> 00:18:10.500 like that. And and that here has been pushing 00:18:10.500 --> 00:18:13.559 a lot of this custom bike culture, right, where 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:16.359 you have young people going back and a lot of 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.299 people start with the Evo Sportsters because 00:18:18.299 --> 00:18:22.259 you can come across them very easily. But you 00:18:22.259 --> 00:18:24.259 have people going back and like the only bikes 00:18:24.259 --> 00:18:28.319 that I see anyone that I know own are at least 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:31.579 25 years old. You know, unless it's a Dyna, unless 00:18:31.579 --> 00:18:34.200 it's a Street Bob or a Dyna or maybe a Lowrider 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:37.759 ST. But everything else is 25 years old or older. 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:41.519 Yeah, well that's the thing, I mean that's what... 00:18:43.690 --> 00:18:46.109 I mean that was always the thing about me and 00:18:46.109 --> 00:18:49.730 my kind of close set friends back home. We liked 00:18:49.730 --> 00:18:51.869 the older bikes, we liked stuff that we could 00:18:51.869 --> 00:18:54.109 work on or we couldn't work on it so you knew 00:18:54.109 --> 00:18:55.569 somebody who could come around to your garage 00:18:55.569 --> 00:18:58.269 and help you work on it. The problem with all 00:18:58.269 --> 00:19:01.710 the new bikes is that you need to plug it into 00:19:01.710 --> 00:19:04.390 a computer and you need proprietary software. 00:19:07.069 --> 00:19:09.990 They're more like appliances than they are motorcycles 00:19:09.990 --> 00:19:12.599 so there was that kind of... there was always 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:15.779 that theme coming you know in that kind of custom 00:19:15.779 --> 00:19:18.259 scene it's like you know the value on doing the 00:19:18.259 --> 00:19:21.119 work yourself but as it became more fashionable 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:25.240 and it became more kind of mainstream it attracted 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:27.720 people who didn't want to who either couldn't 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:29.720 do that stuff with their own bikes or didn't 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:31.759 want to learn how to do that stuff with new bikes 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:34.579 and then they so they started buying like the 00:19:34.579 --> 00:19:37.970 new Triumphs and then Triumph kind of Conned 00:19:37.970 --> 00:19:39.910 onto it and said, okay. Well, we'll sell you 00:19:39.910 --> 00:19:42.670 a bunch of custom parts. I mean, they're not 00:19:42.670 --> 00:19:45.109 custom parts They're just bolt -on parts and 00:19:45.109 --> 00:19:48.730 Harley does the same shit now. Yeah, yeah It's 00:19:48.730 --> 00:19:51.170 okay. I mean this I kind of shaken loose a bit 00:19:51.170 --> 00:19:53.410 of my snobbery about it all to be honest with 00:19:53.410 --> 00:19:56.309 you so I'm a little bit more like, you know each 00:19:56.309 --> 00:19:59.869 to their own, but I've always kind of had a healthy 00:19:59.869 --> 00:20:02.250 kind of distaste for big the big corporations 00:20:02.250 --> 00:20:05.509 jumping on you know jumping on scene like that 00:20:05.509 --> 00:20:08.390 they've actually not been interested in feeding 00:20:08.390 --> 00:20:10.970 themselves, you know, it's like they're not interested 00:20:10.970 --> 00:20:14.069 in culture, they're just interested in making 00:20:14.069 --> 00:20:16.710 money off it. Yeah, it's just something they 00:20:16.710 --> 00:20:19.089 can profit off. And then you go and see, you 00:20:19.089 --> 00:20:21.210 know, you go to, you know, they're all here, 00:20:21.690 --> 00:20:24.450 here in Texas, in these massive great big dealerships, 00:20:24.789 --> 00:20:27.230 and they've all gone now, triumph. Harley, you 00:20:27.230 --> 00:20:29.230 go in there and they have their little, they 00:20:29.230 --> 00:20:31.670 have their corner where it's like they put in 00:20:31.670 --> 00:20:34.089 their faux wood paneling and their faux kind 00:20:34.089 --> 00:20:38.250 of corrugated iron and they're selling coffee 00:20:38.250 --> 00:20:40.710 and they're selling distressed look t -shirts 00:20:40.710 --> 00:20:43.150 and it's like their custom section and it's not 00:20:43.150 --> 00:20:45.069 a fucking custom section at all. It's just a 00:20:45.069 --> 00:20:47.710 bunch of, you know, cheap parts are not even 00:20:47.710 --> 00:20:49.769 made here that they're selling to make people, 00:20:49.769 --> 00:20:53.509 you know, just bolt on and it's kind of like, 00:20:53.750 --> 00:20:58.430 it just all reeks. It just reeks of cynicism 00:20:58.430 --> 00:21:00.750 to me and it was the thing that I really liked 00:21:00.750 --> 00:21:03.430 about that scene that I documented in All in 00:21:03.430 --> 00:21:06.369 the Blood. It was free of that. It was like the 00:21:06.369 --> 00:21:09.250 scene was defined by the people who were... Riding 00:21:09.250 --> 00:21:11.829 bikes building the bikes and it was also very 00:21:11.829 --> 00:21:14.490 egalitarian because you know as I said you have 00:21:14.490 --> 00:21:18.710 to be turning up on a you know on a 25 30 thousand 00:21:18.710 --> 00:21:23.630 dollar, you know knucklehead chopper or you know 00:21:23.630 --> 00:21:28.289 or a You know or Vincent you can turn up on whatever 00:21:28.289 --> 00:21:32.509 you had and he could be 125 CC Suzuki that you 00:21:32.509 --> 00:21:35.529 Right you got and again. I thought that was really 00:21:35.529 --> 00:21:38.150 interesting in the film. I didn't I didn't I 00:21:38.150 --> 00:21:40.509 didn't ever consider how the financial crisis 00:21:40.509 --> 00:21:45.109 in 08 affected the bike scene. And that was really 00:21:45.109 --> 00:21:47.809 interesting to get it like, you know, like you're 00:21:47.809 --> 00:21:49.549 saying the cheaper bikes coming in with somebody 00:21:49.549 --> 00:21:52.569 just making it themselves, putting that alongside 00:21:52.569 --> 00:21:55.690 somebody who has, you know, to put people with 00:21:55.690 --> 00:22:01.019 more funds in with less funds. Everybody before 00:22:01.019 --> 00:22:04.700 that in the UK, anyway, was buying bikes on credit. 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:07.740 So you'd walk into your dealership and you could 00:22:07.740 --> 00:22:12.980 buy, right back then, they ran credit checks. 00:22:13.099 --> 00:22:15.339 It was like, you could walk in and buy yourself 00:22:15.339 --> 00:22:19.380 a top of the range chicken on terms and drive 00:22:19.380 --> 00:22:22.500 out with it. You ride out on it. part of what 00:22:22.500 --> 00:22:27.460 was great. But then, you know, the finance of 00:22:27.460 --> 00:22:30.339 crash came and, you know, people, people couldn't 00:22:30.339 --> 00:22:33.660 get bikes that way anymore. And a lot of people 00:22:33.660 --> 00:22:35.640 who had expensive bikes had to get rid of them 00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:37.579 because they needed the money. So suddenly people 00:22:37.579 --> 00:22:39.400 were faced with what am I going to do? Stop riding? 00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:42.349 Or am I going to go? I remember, you know, it 00:22:42.349 --> 00:22:44.670 was that thing of like, oh, I remember, you know, 00:22:44.970 --> 00:22:47.150 I remember CB750s when I first started riding. 00:22:47.230 --> 00:22:50.529 They were great bikes. So you go on Facebook 00:22:50.529 --> 00:22:53.849 Marketplace and there'd be 10 of them, you know, 00:22:53.970 --> 00:22:56.910 there for 750 bucks. Full runners, you know, 00:22:57.009 --> 00:23:00.190 and you just go and buy one of those and then 00:23:00.190 --> 00:23:03.529 do what you could to it. And then, you know. 00:23:03.529 --> 00:23:06.369 When did you get into, like, when did you start 00:23:06.369 --> 00:23:11.200 riding? What year was that? I first started riding 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.720 bikes in 1980. Okay, so you had, you were much 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:19.700 closer to when all these bikes were new. So like 00:23:19.700 --> 00:23:24.180 you've had more access. Yeah, all the time it 00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:26.380 didn't feel like it. It's at that point, I first 00:23:26.380 --> 00:23:28.799 started getting into bikes when I saw that film 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:30.500 Quadrofinio. I don't know if you've ever seen 00:23:30.500 --> 00:23:33.859 it, but it was a film based around mods. And 00:23:33.859 --> 00:23:36.220 I really liked, you know, I loved the whole scooter 00:23:36.220 --> 00:23:39.190 thing. So we got into like, me and my mates got 00:23:39.190 --> 00:23:41.930 into vintage Vespas and Lambretas. Now, we called 00:23:41.930 --> 00:23:45.190 them vintage Vespas and Lambretas. The stuff 00:23:45.190 --> 00:23:46.910 that we were riding at that point, we were only 00:23:46.910 --> 00:23:51.470 10, 12, 15 years old, but two - or 15 -year -old 00:23:51.470 --> 00:23:54.990 at that time, they felt ancient. But they were 00:23:54.990 --> 00:23:57.390 notoriously unreliable two -stroke things anyway, 00:23:57.450 --> 00:23:59.210 so as soon as you got one of those, it's like 00:23:59.210 --> 00:24:01.190 you had to get your hands dirty to keep the thing 00:24:01.190 --> 00:24:04.750 going. And then, you know, just been riding ever 00:24:04.750 --> 00:24:08.359 since then, really. But yeah, I mean, I have 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:12.519 a close, you know, I kind of like, I started 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:15.980 riding bikes at that kind of transition point, 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:18.960 really, from bikes being a certain way to being 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:21.319 another, you know, to being another way, you 00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:23.259 know, okay, I still, you know, I'm still riding 00:24:23.259 --> 00:24:25.359 bikes where you could, at a time when you could 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:27.640 buy a new bike and it would be fully carburetted 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:30.779 and, you know, and kickstart only, you know. 00:24:31.130 --> 00:24:36.289 Yeah, that's not the case anymore. I have a 2010 00:24:36.289 --> 00:24:39.789 Street Bob and it's fuel injected and it's the 00:24:39.789 --> 00:24:44.410 first bike I've ever had that is not carbureted. 00:24:45.529 --> 00:24:48.670 And I have currently I've been tuning it, which 00:24:48.670 --> 00:24:52.609 basically just means I bought a dyno jet tuner 00:24:52.609 --> 00:24:54.890 and you plug it in, there's an app on your phone 00:24:54.890 --> 00:24:59.170 and you leave it up and as you ride and you know. 00:24:59.180 --> 00:25:01.660 you try and get like hard poles and like slower 00:25:01.660 --> 00:25:04.200 poles and different gears and all that and it 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:06.200 takes in all the data and you can see it as you're 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:08.839 doing it um which is distracting when you're 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:10.480 writing because you're staring down you're like 00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:14.920 oh that's interesting uh but you know like but 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:18.660 i mean i i got like a bass tune and then i did 00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:20.940 the second tune now i gotta keep doing it a couple 00:25:20.940 --> 00:25:23.279 more times but it's i mean i've noticed even 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.700 after doing those two tunes that you know i'm 00:25:26.700 --> 00:25:30.519 using less gas uh it's picking up better like 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:33.579 but i don't know how it happened you know it 00:25:33.579 --> 00:25:37.619 was just like a computer being like do this as 00:25:37.619 --> 00:25:40.619 opposed to me being like well what if i you know 00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:42.359 like i gotta go in and actually like fuck with 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.500 this carburetor and it's a very different thing 00:25:45.500 --> 00:25:53.000 um it's fine i mean it's like i i just um yeah 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:56.440 i mean i think it's i mean fuel injection's great 00:25:57.450 --> 00:25:59.789 I mean, I bought the bike for it to run, you 00:25:59.789 --> 00:26:03.009 know, that's the goal. I mean, I've got a bunch 00:26:03.009 --> 00:26:05.630 of bikes here, like my old tri, you know, I've 00:26:05.630 --> 00:26:08.250 got an old 1967 Triumph in there. And it's like, 00:26:08.430 --> 00:26:09.970 depending on what the weather's like, or what 00:26:09.970 --> 00:26:11.789 the heat's like, I'm having to fiddle with it 00:26:11.789 --> 00:26:16.390 constantly. And it's, it's irritating trying 00:26:16.390 --> 00:26:18.829 to get the thing started. And again, my dirt 00:26:18.829 --> 00:26:21.349 bike, my dirt bike is Kickstarter only. And it's 00:26:21.349 --> 00:26:23.710 like, you know, when I've stored it down in a 00:26:23.710 --> 00:26:25.869 ravine and it's 100 degrees and I'm trying to 00:26:25.869 --> 00:26:28.029 kickstart the bastard thing and it won't start 00:26:28.029 --> 00:26:30.970 and like, you know, my mates have just got electric 00:26:30.970 --> 00:26:34.049 start, fuel injected, two strokes, and then just 00:26:34.049 --> 00:26:35.829 press a button and then off they go. And I'm 00:26:35.829 --> 00:26:37.930 like, you know, trying to bump start this damn 00:26:37.930 --> 00:26:40.190 thing. I mean, you know, there's different advantages 00:26:40.190 --> 00:26:44.369 to having them, having them for sure. I mean 00:26:44.369 --> 00:26:46.029 that's why I like the dirt bike thing, because 00:26:46.029 --> 00:26:49.609 I think modern dirt bikes are the best of both 00:26:49.609 --> 00:26:53.549 worlds. They're still an emphasis on keeping 00:26:53.549 --> 00:26:56.630 them as simple as they can possibly be, but they 00:26:56.630 --> 00:27:00.630 use the best modern technology in it. They've 00:27:00.630 --> 00:27:04.230 got a fuel injection system and it's got an electric 00:27:04.230 --> 00:27:06.710 start, but they're still simple. The problem 00:27:06.710 --> 00:27:10.650 with new bikes for me is that thing of like... 00:27:10.700 --> 00:27:13.519 You've got this big screen in front of you with 00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:15.799 all this data going on. Yeah, that's my line. 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.519 I don't like the big TV on a dashboard of a bike. 00:27:20.059 --> 00:27:22.279 Well, it's just, for me, it's usually distracting. 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.579 Like, you know, I went out on a mate of mine's, 00:27:25.619 --> 00:27:30.480 he's got one of those big GS 1100 things, you 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.170 know, the BMW. dual sport things. It's got this 00:27:34.170 --> 00:27:35.769 massive screen and there's all this shit going 00:27:35.769 --> 00:27:37.450 on and I'm just riding down the road looking 00:27:37.450 --> 00:27:39.809 at this screen fixating on it instead of looking 00:27:39.809 --> 00:27:44.869 where I should be down the road. I think for 00:27:44.869 --> 00:27:47.690 people who learn to ride bikes or coming up riding 00:27:47.690 --> 00:27:50.269 bikes like that, that's fine. But for people 00:27:50.269 --> 00:27:54.410 who came up riding bikes. Yeah, that's a real 00:27:54.410 --> 00:28:03.890 thing. It's very odd to me to have And I think 00:28:03.890 --> 00:28:06.970 it might be a snob thing, but I don't know. It's 00:28:06.970 --> 00:28:09.990 fine. It's very odd to me to have basically a 00:28:09.990 --> 00:28:15.029 small TV and a cup holder and a loudspeaker system 00:28:15.029 --> 00:28:18.690 and a heated seat and heated grips and anti -lock 00:28:18.690 --> 00:28:20.450 brakes, you know, and all this stuff. And you're 00:28:20.450 --> 00:28:24.109 like, well, that's that's basically a car. Like 00:28:24.109 --> 00:28:27.329 you just go get a car. It's a similar dangerous 00:28:27.329 --> 00:28:30.170 car, isn't it? That's basically all it is. Yeah. 00:28:31.470 --> 00:28:35.009 I just can't, I don't see the attraction of it. 00:28:35.089 --> 00:28:38.750 I mean, to be honest with you, I like a bike 00:28:38.750 --> 00:28:42.470 that vibrates. You know, I like to feel that 00:28:42.470 --> 00:28:45.029 I'm on a bike that I'm having to, you know, I'm 00:28:45.029 --> 00:28:48.450 having to work in order to make it run properly. 00:28:49.289 --> 00:28:53.210 And I don't want all of that. I mean, it's the 00:28:53.210 --> 00:28:57.710 same with Paris, you know, like with ABS, it's 00:28:57.710 --> 00:29:00.660 like... Every time I'm on a bike that's got ABS 00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:03.259 and that chatter starts, it freaks me out, right? 00:29:03.380 --> 00:29:06.200 It's like, what's going on here? It's like, I 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.700 don't know. I didn't even know that existed until 00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:13.400 recently. The bikes had ABS. I'd like just found 00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:17.319 that out and I was like, what? Like, you know, 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.299 and then, then I get on the, like the shovel 00:29:19.299 --> 00:29:23.509 head and that brake. You don't smooth, you know, 00:29:23.509 --> 00:29:25.930 there's no smooth aspect of braking on that bike 00:29:25.930 --> 00:29:28.470 It is either you are braking or you're not breaking 00:29:28.470 --> 00:29:35.769 at all you know and it's just it's It's interesting 00:29:35.769 --> 00:29:38.069 to me how you have to ride different motorcycles, 00:29:38.069 --> 00:29:40.789 you know, like and even the Dyna I can kind of 00:29:40.789 --> 00:29:45.069 zone out on it. Yeah, it's gonna do mostly the 00:29:45.069 --> 00:29:49.170 right stuff I just got to keep it up, you know 00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:52.380 But at the same time after I got it I did have 00:29:52.380 --> 00:29:55.460 to do a lot of Things to it, you know changed 00:29:55.460 --> 00:29:58.059 like forward the mid controls do the calipers 00:29:58.059 --> 00:30:00.579 fix the spacers Like it was still a thing that 00:30:00.579 --> 00:30:04.400 I had to work on You know, luckily the motor 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:08.000 was good. Nothing else was good But the motor 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.660 was good But you know after doing all of that 00:30:12.660 --> 00:30:14.599 though I feel like you're also more connected 00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:16.759 to the bike and you have more of an investment 00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:21.059 in it Then going and being like hey Harley dealership. 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:24.519 Can you solve? You know and then picking it up 00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:28.259 three days later Yeah, yeah, I used to race bike 00:30:28.259 --> 00:30:31.220 bikes years and years ago like in the late 90s. 00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:35.279 I used to race two -stroke Grand Prix bikes and 00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:40.490 Like I had this Well, he called himself my sponsor. 00:30:40.609 --> 00:30:44.210 He wasn't my sponsor, basically. He owned a garage, 00:30:44.410 --> 00:30:47.430 and he was like an old dude who'd been involved 00:30:47.430 --> 00:30:49.849 in racing since the 50s, and basically let me 00:30:49.849 --> 00:30:53.289 use his tools. He would help me with stuff that 00:30:53.289 --> 00:30:55.670 I didn't know. Like if I couldn't fix something, 00:30:55.990 --> 00:30:58.430 I'd fix something. But his thing to me was keep 00:30:58.430 --> 00:31:02.390 your bike spotless. And he said, first thing 00:31:02.390 --> 00:31:05.119 you do, bring back to the workshop cleaning because 00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:06.539 as you're going around cleaning it you're going 00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:08.420 to find stuff you're going to find bolts that 00:31:08.420 --> 00:31:10.619 are loose you can find nuts that are kind of 00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:16.519 like um you're going to find the stuff that's 00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:20.240 wrong with your bike and i always stuck with 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:23.299 me that and he always and he said and take your 00:31:23.299 --> 00:31:26.079 torque wrench every after every race take your 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:28.619 torque wrench your torque wrench around you you 00:31:28.619 --> 00:31:30.440 know around your nuts make sure everything's 00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:33.359 done up Because that's the stuff that causes 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:39.700 so much, so many accidents. People just being 00:31:39.700 --> 00:31:41.680 disconnected from their bikes and never doing 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.500 any work on it. You know, never actually getting 00:31:44.500 --> 00:31:47.880 in there and looking and stuff. And I think that 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.339 the more work you do, it doesn't matter what 00:31:50.339 --> 00:31:53.099 it is that you're doing on it. You're just looking 00:31:53.099 --> 00:31:55.359 at your bike. You're just there. It's in front 00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.160 of you. And that's when you notice those things 00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:03.180 which... can cause you accidents. And that's 00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:05.720 the one thing about the more modern bikes is 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:10.859 that I think it doesn't encourage that. If you 00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:14.119 bought a Triumph in the 1960s and 1970s, the 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.039 same if you bought a Harley, it's like you were 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:18.200 expected to do work on that. You were expected 00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:22.220 to maintain that bike yourself. And so there 00:32:22.220 --> 00:32:24.640 was just a level of involvement with your bike 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.990 that you had to have to keep it going. With that 00:32:27.990 --> 00:32:31.769 whole dealership model, it took that away. It 00:32:31.769 --> 00:32:34.009 basically took that responsibility away from 00:32:34.009 --> 00:32:36.430 you as a rider to know your own bike, to bring 00:32:36.430 --> 00:32:40.210 it back to us. So we'll do the work. And then 00:32:40.210 --> 00:32:42.470 they haven't just made money out of selling you 00:32:42.470 --> 00:32:45.589 a bike. They're then continuing to make money 00:32:45.589 --> 00:32:47.289 from you servicing a bike. It's a great profit. 00:32:47.690 --> 00:32:51.549 Yeah, it's a great profit model. Well, I think 00:32:51.549 --> 00:32:54.069 it was Gaffney, really, who brought that model 00:32:54.069 --> 00:32:59.490 in, really. ironically with super reliable bikes 00:32:59.490 --> 00:33:03.789 but yeah I'm all for you know it's like my kids 00:33:03.789 --> 00:33:06.730 just you know he's he's riding now and it's like 00:33:06.730 --> 00:33:10.410 I really just try and encourage him to just you 00:33:10.410 --> 00:33:13.670 know just clean your bike first but just yeah 00:33:13.670 --> 00:33:15.750 just just get him to do simple little things 00:33:15.750 --> 00:33:18.309 you know just getting to tighten little nuts 00:33:18.309 --> 00:33:20.769 and bolts up just to make sure that stuff is 00:33:20.769 --> 00:33:24.180 you know stuff's working Yeah, I mean the other 00:33:24.180 --> 00:33:28.119 day I was leaving a gas station and I, you know, 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:29.839 picked my feet up and I was like, something's 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.039 different. You know, something doesn't feel right. 00:33:33.460 --> 00:33:35.660 And then I looked down and I was like, oh, it's 00:33:35.660 --> 00:33:40.720 my foot pegs gone. You know, that's what feels 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:46.119 different. You know, and like, I don't know why. 00:33:47.059 --> 00:33:49.119 I mean, it could have been something significantly 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.119 more. You know important than a foot, you know, 00:33:52.140 --> 00:33:54.039 it wasn't even like the shift peg It was just 00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:56.319 a foot peg so you can still run it. It's just 00:33:56.319 --> 00:34:00.599 kind of annoying but you know And I had recently 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.940 gone through, you know in the past couple months 00:34:02.940 --> 00:34:06.759 and done a bunch of stuff to that bike But clearly 00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:09.500 I hadn't been checking things along the way, 00:34:09.500 --> 00:34:11.900 you know Cuz a couple months that bolt just kind 00:34:11.900 --> 00:34:16.929 of loosened up and it was like I'm done now But 00:34:16.929 --> 00:34:19.230 it's a tracker the number of times where I'm 00:34:19.230 --> 00:34:21.250 walking around my garage and I find you know, 00:34:21.369 --> 00:34:24.750 I'll find a nut and it's like Well, oh shit, 00:34:24.750 --> 00:34:32.829 where's that from? You don't find where it's 00:34:32.829 --> 00:34:35.250 from it's oh, well, I suppose that become current 00:34:35.250 --> 00:34:39.460 at some point but I have to say Yeah, with my 00:34:39.460 --> 00:34:41.219 Norton Commando, I had an old Norton Commando 00:34:41.219 --> 00:34:44.380 and it was like, I was riding around my neighborhood 00:34:44.380 --> 00:34:46.579 and I'm like, something doesn't feel right about 00:34:46.579 --> 00:34:48.239 this. This is just like, there's something wrong 00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:50.480 with this. It's vibrating too much and I stopped 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.880 and like the exhaust bracket just completely 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.980 sheared off. Just completely sheared off. So 00:34:54.980 --> 00:34:57.699 basically the whole exhaust system is just hanging 00:34:57.699 --> 00:35:02.920 on from the headers. Just dangling. I'm glad 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:04.719 I know it sat before it ended up in the back 00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:08.960 wheel, you know. Yeah, it's, I mean, part of 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.840 the thing for me is, I mean, like, I always do 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.019 want a bike that will run. You know, you gotta 00:35:15.019 --> 00:35:18.340 have one, I think, that'll be good. You know, 00:35:18.340 --> 00:35:20.980 you can trust it to do a thing. That would be 00:35:20.980 --> 00:35:24.739 nice. And then after that, you can kind of have 00:35:24.739 --> 00:35:27.699 shittier stuff, you know? Like the cool stuff, 00:35:28.179 --> 00:35:30.800 the quote -unquote chopper stuff, just something 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:35.340 where, you know, you're gonna have to mess with 00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:39.849 it. And like, we're doing a giveaway on a shovelhead 00:35:39.849 --> 00:35:42.750 that's about to be drawn. And in the description 00:35:42.750 --> 00:35:44.730 of the giveaway, it's like, hey, this will be 00:35:44.730 --> 00:35:47.130 running when it gets to you. It might not be 00:35:47.130 --> 00:35:49.610 running a week later. It's a shovelhead. You're 00:35:49.610 --> 00:35:52.309 going to have to keep it up. You know, it's like, 00:35:52.469 --> 00:35:55.150 we're going to do everything we can. You know, 00:35:55.389 --> 00:35:59.110 it's people do that. You know, especially, especially 00:35:59.110 --> 00:36:01.429 stuff that's been restored, you know, like, or 00:36:01.429 --> 00:36:04.030 it's been customized. And it's like, they just 00:36:04.030 --> 00:36:05.630 expect that you know get them and they expect 00:36:05.630 --> 00:36:09.329 these bikes to run like you know run like normal 00:36:09.329 --> 00:36:11.650 bikes and you know like new bikes and they don't 00:36:11.650 --> 00:36:14.150 you know anything old is you know constantly 00:36:14.150 --> 00:36:18.969 going to be going wrong but i mean yeah like 00:36:18.969 --> 00:36:25.150 you might you know custom bikes are cool choppers 00:36:25.150 --> 00:36:30.889 are cool and it's like cool and reliable don't 00:36:30.889 --> 00:36:34.739 often sit in the same place do they really That's 00:36:34.739 --> 00:36:38.219 why I like the certain style of dinos and FXR 00:36:38.219 --> 00:36:41.480 is because they're kind of they're pretty reliable 00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:44.800 and they're also cool But like, you know, we 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:49.380 did a photo shoot recently on an old CB 1976 00:36:49.380 --> 00:36:52.940 CB chopper and we got done with the shoot and 00:36:52.940 --> 00:36:55.320 the girl whose bike it was went to went to kick 00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:58.219 it over and Then it wouldn't stay on that went 00:36:58.219 --> 00:37:00.119 off and then all the power went and we're sitting 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.539 there for like 10 minutes trying to figure out 00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:04.400 you know, how to get it going again and then 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:06.480 the power comes back and there's no explanation 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.139 as to why it did that. Well, it's a really cool 00:37:09.139 --> 00:37:13.159 bike, you know, and then gets it home. But, you 00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.059 know, you're just like, I can't explain why that 00:37:15.059 --> 00:37:18.139 happened. You know, just something was on the 00:37:18.139 --> 00:37:20.659 wrong place. Mono and Commando is the same. I 00:37:20.659 --> 00:37:22.760 owned that bike for 12 years and it was like 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:24.820 it was the first kick or the 20th kick and there 00:37:24.820 --> 00:37:27.659 was no rhyme or reason to it. I could pull it 00:37:27.659 --> 00:37:29.559 out of the garage and not ridden it for like 00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:32.760 three months. It'd kick over first time and then 00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:36.699 I'd ride to a bar, 30 minutes away, stop and 00:37:36.699 --> 00:37:39.260 then it's time to go and try and kick the damn 00:37:39.260 --> 00:37:42.800 thing over. And it wouldn't... You're just standing 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:46.139 there running your leg out. And then of course, 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:49.059 as that happened... The crowd gathers and everybody's 00:37:49.059 --> 00:37:50.760 just like standing around watching you, which 00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:53.119 makes it even worse. But that thing was like, 00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:55.619 there's no rhyme or reason to it. You know, it 00:37:55.619 --> 00:37:58.280 could be hot, cold outside. It could be raining, 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.079 it could be, you know, glorious sunshine. You 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:04.559 know, it was entirely unpredictable. There never 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:08.239 is. I mean, the diner that I have was like, it 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:10.659 was creaking so bad that it felt like it was 00:38:10.659 --> 00:38:13.920 falling apart. You know, like I don't know where 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.989 the sound was coming from. And one day I wrote 00:38:16.989 --> 00:38:19.989 it 30 minutes got off of it went to the gym got 00:38:19.989 --> 00:38:22.389 back on it Creek was gone. That's never come 00:38:22.389 --> 00:38:25.329 back That's nice, and I'm just like okay. I'm 00:38:25.329 --> 00:38:27.789 not gonna question that something settled. I 00:38:27.789 --> 00:38:36.869 guess you know Yeah, yeah something and it hasn't 00:38:36.869 --> 00:38:38.969 come back, so I'm not gonna debate it. I'm not 00:38:38.969 --> 00:38:42.960 gonna argue it It worked itself out. But I'm 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.539 curious, was your family into motorcycles at 00:38:45.539 --> 00:38:48.920 all? Like when did motorcycles, because in America 00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:52.460 motorcycles took over originally in the 50s, 00:38:52.579 --> 00:38:56.119 right? And I don't know what the timeline is 00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:58.980 like in England for bikes to, you know, becoming 00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:01.809 part of the popular culture. Well, really it 00:39:01.809 --> 00:39:05.210 was the 30s 40s and 50s same thing really it 00:39:05.210 --> 00:39:07.110 was like that's because they were cheap motor 00:39:07.110 --> 00:39:11.789 transport primarily and then And then the 50s 00:39:11.789 --> 00:39:14.329 it kind of became, you know, it kind of became 00:39:14.329 --> 00:39:16.449 cool You had the whole kind of rocker culture 00:39:16.449 --> 00:39:19.650 and the whole kind of early cafe racer culture 00:39:19.650 --> 00:39:23.170 But no my family well my dad my dad used to ride 00:39:23.170 --> 00:39:26.070 bikes. I mean like he rode bikes in the 50s and 00:39:26.070 --> 00:39:28.840 like the first three years of him, you know, 00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.159 like courting my mum, you know, she'd ride around 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:34.559 on the back of his bike. But by the time I came 00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:36.760 along... That definitely helped make you. Yeah, 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:41.800 exactly. Exactly. So she got him, you know, like, 00:39:41.900 --> 00:39:43.880 I think when I came along, she banned him from 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:45.659 having bikes, but I used to constantly remind 00:39:45.659 --> 00:39:47.860 her that she used to ride around in the back 00:39:47.860 --> 00:39:51.960 of his, you know. But no, so it wasn't really 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:55.909 something I grew up with at home, but... There 00:39:55.909 --> 00:39:57.750 was but there were always bikes around but there 00:39:57.750 --> 00:39:59.630 was a guy at the end of our street who had a 00:39:59.630 --> 00:40:02.590 Norton Commando You know, I think I must have 00:40:02.590 --> 00:40:05.730 been about seven when I first saw it and it was 00:40:05.730 --> 00:40:08.809 like and that was the first motorcycle I kind 00:40:08.809 --> 00:40:12.280 of like recognised and ever since then it's had 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.500 this kind of like mythical kind of like exotic 00:40:15.500 --> 00:40:19.360 kind of aura to it and in fact at the time they 00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.159 were just you know they were a utility motorcycle 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.300 there's nothing special about them but to me 00:40:24.300 --> 00:40:26.579 as a seven -year -old it's like black and gold 00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:30.159 thing that this cool older kid used to ride down 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.420 the end of our street was just like it was amazing 00:40:32.420 --> 00:40:36.820 you know I also had a friend at school who used 00:40:36.820 --> 00:40:42.079 to do dirt bike as well. He had parents who had 00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:44.039 a bit of money so he used to go out and ride 00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:45.880 across and stuff and I always wanted to do that 00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:49.230 but that was never really a thing that... you 00:40:49.230 --> 00:40:51.909 know, we had the resources to do when we were 00:40:51.909 --> 00:40:53.809 growing up and because we, you know, because 00:40:53.809 --> 00:40:55.590 we lived in a, you know, we lived in a city, 00:40:55.730 --> 00:40:58.070 there weren't really fields we could go and ride 00:40:58.070 --> 00:41:00.030 on, you know, you had to travel outside to go 00:41:00.030 --> 00:41:02.150 and do that. So really, we only really kind of 00:41:02.150 --> 00:41:05.590 came in when me and my friends saw that film, 00:41:06.849 --> 00:41:08.849 Quadrophenia, and then we all decided that's 00:41:08.849 --> 00:41:13.489 what we wanted to do. Yeah. We all went out and 00:41:13.489 --> 00:41:18.460 saw the whole Vespers and Lambrettas and... Do 00:41:18.460 --> 00:41:22.019 you because I wonder about generally in culture 00:41:22.019 --> 00:41:25.699 between America and England You know, there's 00:41:25.699 --> 00:41:29.099 been a consistent Trade back and forth where 00:41:29.099 --> 00:41:31.460 we do something that you guys get into and then 00:41:31.460 --> 00:41:34.579 you guys do something that we get into you know 00:41:34.579 --> 00:41:38.880 Because like here obviously easy rider before 00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.380 that the wild one but easy rider was like, oh, 00:41:41.380 --> 00:41:45.599 it's that thing Yeah, and it kind of has been 00:41:45.739 --> 00:41:49.699 Since Easy Rider, that culture has existed and 00:41:49.699 --> 00:41:51.900 morphed and grown and done whatever. But never 00:41:51.900 --> 00:41:56.099 gone away. But it hasn't gone away. Was Quadrophenia 00:41:56.099 --> 00:41:58.739 like the British version of Easy Rider? Like, 00:41:58.860 --> 00:42:01.320 did that kick that off like that? I mean, it 00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:03.440 was a scene before that, but did it kick off? 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:06.760 I never thought about Quadrophenia even being 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:11.199 a bike movie. Yeah, I mean, it was like... That 00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:13.519 was really a revival, right? Because that was 00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.829 a film about a scene. in the 60s, so like when 00:42:16.829 --> 00:42:19.309 we got into it, it was a revival of an already 00:42:19.309 --> 00:42:24.329 existing scene, but there was, I mean, there 00:42:24.329 --> 00:42:27.949 were British, you know, there were really two 00:42:27.949 --> 00:42:30.250 strands to it. There was the British rocker scene, 00:42:30.250 --> 00:42:32.809 and then there was the kind of the more American 00:42:32.809 --> 00:42:35.929 kind of Harley chopper scene. People have been 00:42:35.929 --> 00:42:38.849 into Harleys and choppers in the States, in the 00:42:38.849 --> 00:42:43.210 UK, since, you know, since the 50s, really. I 00:42:43.210 --> 00:42:45.269 mean, there were a lot of them around in Europe, 00:42:45.449 --> 00:42:47.949 you know, like, you know, when the Americans 00:42:47.949 --> 00:42:50.170 left after the Second World War, they just left 00:42:50.170 --> 00:42:52.690 hundreds of thousands of these old Harleys lying 00:42:52.690 --> 00:42:55.670 around. And, you know, they were just, they were 00:42:55.670 --> 00:42:58.889 the cheapest motorcycles you could get, you know. 00:42:59.389 --> 00:43:02.449 And certainly that, that, you know, like Holland, 00:43:02.610 --> 00:43:04.690 for instance, Holland and Belgium and Northern 00:43:04.690 --> 00:43:07.949 France have this really big old Harley scene 00:43:07.949 --> 00:43:09.530 that's been there since the end of the Second 00:43:09.530 --> 00:43:12.710 World War, where you know those countries decimated 00:43:12.710 --> 00:43:16.230 so nobody had any money but there were at the 00:43:16.230 --> 00:43:20.269 same time these thousands of bikes which were 00:43:20.269 --> 00:43:23.170 these old Harleys which were just abandoned so 00:43:23.170 --> 00:43:25.050 people got you know people got their hands on 00:43:25.050 --> 00:43:27.590 them and you know they would ride around on them 00:43:27.590 --> 00:43:30.929 but then you know you have things like you know 00:43:30.929 --> 00:43:33.590 the wild ones coming out and then it all started 00:43:33.590 --> 00:43:36.650 kind of developing into that kind of that kind 00:43:36.650 --> 00:43:38.769 of bike culture but there was you know it's always 00:43:38.769 --> 00:43:41.989 been a kind of a reverence for American bike 00:43:41.989 --> 00:43:47.050 culture in Europe that's kind of, you know, kind 00:43:47.050 --> 00:43:49.650 of developed in parallel to how things were here. 00:43:49.869 --> 00:43:52.550 And then at the same time with that, then you 00:43:52.550 --> 00:43:55.329 had the very particular British bike scene, which 00:43:55.329 --> 00:43:57.969 was more the kind of rockers and the rockers 00:43:57.969 --> 00:44:01.170 and the cafe racers, which was more British bikes 00:44:01.170 --> 00:44:03.369 that were kind of stripped down to go faster, 00:44:03.369 --> 00:44:09.869 really. What's the motorcycle club scene? In 00:44:09.869 --> 00:44:13.190 England, like, when the clubs, like, I don't 00:44:13.190 --> 00:44:15.349 know, I know the Angels were over there. Yeah, 00:44:15.369 --> 00:44:17.269 the Angels are still there. They're very, very 00:44:17.269 --> 00:44:21.869 active. Very active. And then you've got, what 00:44:21.869 --> 00:44:23.530 else have you got out there? I think you've got 00:44:23.530 --> 00:44:27.250 the Mongols out there. I don't think the Banvidos 00:44:27.250 --> 00:44:32.210 is there. But it's mainly the Angels and the 00:44:32.210 --> 00:44:35.070 Mongols, and they hate each other, and it's... 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:39.239 They're still killing each other to this day, 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:45.300 you know? Yeah, it's there, but it wasn't... 00:44:45.300 --> 00:44:49.159 It kind of controlled a certain aspect of motorcycling, 00:44:49.260 --> 00:44:53.920 but it didn't control everything. I always kept 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:55.619 my distance from them. I never liked them, to 00:44:55.619 --> 00:44:59.719 be honest, because when we were young kids, when 00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:03.679 we're not 15, 16, it's like... One of my mate's 00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:05.559 dad's had a garage. He was a mechanic. He was 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:07.360 a motorcycle mechanic, but yeah, he had a garage. 00:45:07.460 --> 00:45:09.139 He had a load of tools. So we used to go around 00:45:09.139 --> 00:45:12.460 there and fiddle with our bikes. But about two 00:45:12.460 --> 00:45:15.320 streets over was a pub where the Windsor Chapter 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:20.300 of the Hells Angels used to drink. And those 00:45:20.300 --> 00:45:23.159 motherfuckers used to terrorise us. And these 00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:25.619 were grown -ass men in their late 20s and in 00:45:25.619 --> 00:45:28.739 their 30s, literally terrorising a bunch of 15 00:45:28.739 --> 00:45:32.340 -year -olds. Yeah, a lot of scumbags. Yeah, it 00:45:32.340 --> 00:45:34.519 was serious as well. It wasn't just, you know, 00:45:34.860 --> 00:45:37.579 like one of our mates, Benny. And Benny was tiny. 00:45:37.780 --> 00:45:40.559 He was like, you know, like he was, you know, 00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:43.500 even in his twenties, he looked like a little 00:45:43.500 --> 00:45:46.159 boy and he was, you know, I don't think, you 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:48.480 know, he grew to like five foot four, but like 00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:51.760 when he was 15, you know, he was tiny. He was 00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.239 like a kid and they caught up with him, kicked 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:55.920 him off his scooter and beat the shit out of 00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.050 him. You know, so it was like, we always kept 00:45:59.050 --> 00:46:02.409 that distance from them. And then coming up, 00:46:02.510 --> 00:46:04.429 me getting into other aspects of motorcycling, 00:46:04.550 --> 00:46:06.929 I was never interested in going anywhere near 00:46:06.929 --> 00:46:10.829 that kind of thing. Because to me, motorcycling 00:46:10.829 --> 00:46:15.429 was always about freedom. And not getting beat 00:46:15.429 --> 00:46:20.369 off your bike. That's very odd. I didn't want 00:46:20.369 --> 00:46:22.570 to replace one set of fucking rules with another 00:46:22.570 --> 00:46:26.530 set of rules. Man, I have noticed that, yeah. 00:46:27.230 --> 00:46:32.570 That's odd to me because generally, from personal 00:46:32.570 --> 00:46:38.690 experience, clubs here are not really gonna go 00:46:38.690 --> 00:46:42.130 kick a kid off a bike, you know? And I wonder 00:46:42.130 --> 00:46:45.010 if when you get over to England, they're looking 00:46:45.010 --> 00:46:48.630 at what they think the American version is and 00:46:48.630 --> 00:46:52.940 doing that. You know what I mean? I don't think 00:46:52.940 --> 00:46:55.019 they're doing that. In fact, they're not doing 00:46:55.019 --> 00:47:00.539 that anymore. It's still that kind of bullying 00:47:00.539 --> 00:47:04.480 mentality kind of thing. Well, I have my own 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:11.380 opinion about that particular group. I've met 00:47:11.380 --> 00:47:14.760 a bunch of them along the way. As individuals, 00:47:14.980 --> 00:47:18.940 they've always been decent people, but it's just... 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:22.079 I don't know, it's just a certain... I don't 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:23.880 know, I just never really wanted to... You know, 00:47:23.980 --> 00:47:25.820 it was another sort of thing that really appealed 00:47:25.820 --> 00:47:28.440 to me, to be honest with you. And I, you know, 00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.619 the reason why I stopped being a mod and stopped, 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:34.039 you know, moved on to other kind of mod songs 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.380 is that I like everything, right? I don't want 00:47:36.380 --> 00:47:39.360 to just be stuck into one genre of things. It's 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.099 like, right now, it's like, I've got, you know, 00:47:43.099 --> 00:47:45.119 I've got a trunk chopper, I've got a couple of 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:49.420 old classics, I've got... 1991 BMW, you've got 00:47:49.420 --> 00:47:52.099 a bunch of dirt bikes. It's like, I like everything. 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:54.199 And I want to be able to, you know, I want to 00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:55.960 just be able to dip and dive into whatever I 00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:57.900 want to dip and dive into without being told. 00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.539 Exactly. This is the rules about what I should 00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:04.019 be and what I shouldn't be. Well, at the beginning 00:48:04.019 --> 00:48:07.579 of this, you said that there was a heyday of 00:48:07.579 --> 00:48:10.260 the kind of revitalization of the custom bikes 00:48:10.260 --> 00:48:16.539 in England that sort of ended in 2020. Why? What 00:48:16.539 --> 00:48:19.579 happened? Well I think it's two things really. 00:48:19.659 --> 00:48:25.000 I think Covid just knocked a load of people off 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:28.059 motorbikes I think for one reason or another. 00:48:28.059 --> 00:48:30.619 I don't really understand why. I mean to me it 00:48:30.619 --> 00:48:33.079 was the perfect time to go out on the bikes but 00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:36.300 I think it stopped the whole social side of things 00:48:36.300 --> 00:48:38.559 anyway certainly in the UK. I mean I was glad 00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:42.000 it was a blessing me arriving in Austin when 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.900 I did because the COVID regulations here in Texas 00:48:45.900 --> 00:48:47.980 were a lot less stringent than they were back 00:48:47.980 --> 00:48:49.980 home, you know, back home. Yeah, because I mean, 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:53.719 it didn't stop it here for that long. No, no. 00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:57.619 I think it was that. I mean, I think it was a 00:48:57.619 --> 00:49:00.679 point with. You know, to be honest with you, 00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.679 it's like anything that becomes fashionable ultimately 00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:05.599 becomes unfashionable, right? And that was the. 00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:12.539 That was that was also. In one respect, it was 00:49:12.539 --> 00:49:15.780 the blessing and the curse of that kind of scene 00:49:15.780 --> 00:49:17.500 and such. It became very fashionable, so it got 00:49:17.500 --> 00:49:19.840 a lot of attention, so it brought a lot of people 00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:21.760 into it, which was great, because it just means 00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.719 there's more people riding motorcycles, more 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:26.760 interest in motorcycles, the manufacturers being 00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:32.630 more interested in... seeing that there is a 00:49:32.630 --> 00:49:35.449 customer base out there for them if they go looking 00:49:35.449 --> 00:49:37.190 in the right places. And all of that was positive. 00:49:37.369 --> 00:49:39.909 But then I just think what happened was people 00:49:39.909 --> 00:49:44.230 got bored of it. And the people who were just 00:49:44.230 --> 00:49:48.130 into it as a fashion thing moved on to other 00:49:48.130 --> 00:49:53.949 things. I think it was just a little bit of burnout 00:49:53.949 --> 00:50:01.940 as well. kind of became the thing that it was 00:50:01.940 --> 00:50:07.659 kind of rallying against, right? Because in its 00:50:07.659 --> 00:50:10.280 heyday, it was still people on cheap motorcycles 00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:12.800 doing stuff themselves and doing interesting 00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:18.719 things with it. But then it became more about 00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:22.000 prestige. So the stuff that was you seeing in 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:23.820 shows and you were seeing on the blog started 00:50:23.820 --> 00:50:28.260 to become more and more expensive and hobbyist. 00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.320 hobbyist builders were trying to make a living 00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:35.179 out of it so they were showcasing bikes which 00:50:35.179 --> 00:50:39.320 were of a really high standard but also really 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:43.380 expensive and it all started to become kind of 00:50:43.380 --> 00:50:45.599 commoditised really and then you started going 00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:50.300 to the shows and shows that had previously been, 00:50:50.300 --> 00:50:52.940 there were no manufacturers there, there were 00:50:52.940 --> 00:50:55.360 just people turning up on their custom bikes 00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:59.030 and showing them and hanging them time you'd 00:50:59.030 --> 00:51:03.309 find a show would be sponsored by Triumph and 00:51:03.309 --> 00:51:06.469 you know and then it would be like a whole big 00:51:06.469 --> 00:51:11.050 section of brand new stock Triumphs or even worse 00:51:11.050 --> 00:51:13.349 Triumph customs which weren't they were just 00:51:13.349 --> 00:51:18.489 brand new bikes with bolt -on parts which you 00:51:18.489 --> 00:51:21.929 know the Triumph marketing department had got 00:51:21.929 --> 00:51:25.989 a spray job on the tank and it just it started 00:51:25.989 --> 00:51:29.849 to become a lot more kind of just commercialized 00:51:29.849 --> 00:51:35.789 really. And I think that that drove a bunch of 00:51:35.789 --> 00:51:40.909 people away from it. But it actually drove people 00:51:40.909 --> 00:51:42.550 to the chopper scene. So what happened was a 00:51:42.550 --> 00:51:44.809 lot of people who were into that scene just kind 00:51:44.809 --> 00:51:46.750 of really leant into the chopper thing. And it 00:51:46.750 --> 00:51:49.750 was like, okay, cool. We're not interested in 00:51:49.750 --> 00:51:52.690 all this kind of corporate shit. we're going 00:51:52.690 --> 00:51:54.610 to buy an old show head, we're going to buy an 00:51:54.610 --> 00:51:58.150 old knock head or a pan head and we'll do our 00:51:58.150 --> 00:52:01.010 custom things with these bikes because they can't 00:52:01.010 --> 00:52:06.610 interfere with this because it's dealing with 00:52:06.610 --> 00:52:10.170 old bikes and it's an aesthetic that doesn't 00:52:10.170 --> 00:52:14.530 relate to modern street bikes. And Harley's not 00:52:14.530 --> 00:52:16.969 going to suddenly come out with a new bike that 00:52:16.969 --> 00:52:22.139 looks like a 1972... Chopper like they're just 00:52:22.139 --> 00:52:24.559 not gonna do it right, you know, they recently 00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.280 came out with that new wide glide that looks 00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:30.699 like a 1974 wide glide Did you like that? I didn't 00:52:30.699 --> 00:52:34.619 hate it. Yeah, it looks alright but you know, 00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:40.719 I mean here I wonder cuz You know I know that 00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:43.039 in certain parts of the country like where we 00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:46.340 are Ohio Valley in northern Kentucky down through 00:52:46.340 --> 00:52:51.039 the whole south up in New York, over in parts 00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:57.000 of California and Texas, motorcycles have been 00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:01.039 passed down. Now we're getting on four generations 00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.239 of people who have been building them and riding 00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:08.420 them and going to these events. I definitely 00:53:08.420 --> 00:53:13.369 see... videos from Paradise Roadshow, not to 00:53:13.369 --> 00:53:16.110 talk shit, but of people who are clearly there 00:53:16.110 --> 00:53:18.610 because it's the fashionable thing to do that 00:53:18.610 --> 00:53:21.010 weekend. And then the next weekend, they will 00:53:21.010 --> 00:53:23.829 dress a different way at a different event, you 00:53:23.829 --> 00:53:30.909 know? Exactly. It was full of what I call the 00:53:30.909 --> 00:53:34.159 kind of the Texas cosplay crew, do you know what 00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:36.400 I mean? You see them, they all dress the same. 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:40.000 They all dress like, you know, kind of like preppy 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:43.760 cowboys, basically. Really starched pants. Yes. 00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.139 But they were all, you know, it was full of them, 00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:50.099 you know, and it was also 110 degrees. So I kind 00:53:50.099 --> 00:53:53.730 of walked around for like 10 minutes. Yeah, yeah, 00:53:53.730 --> 00:53:56.190 that's gonna wreck anything But I mean, I think 00:53:56.190 --> 00:53:59.030 those people like right now it is beneficial 00:53:59.030 --> 00:54:01.230 to me because those people get into what we're 00:54:01.230 --> 00:54:04.829 doing and buy our stuff And you know, I'm not 00:54:04.829 --> 00:54:08.909 gonna complain about that But but you recognize 00:54:08.909 --> 00:54:11.670 it's kind of yeah, and I mean in American culture 00:54:11.670 --> 00:54:15.590 I've gone back and tracked it where every time 00:54:15.590 --> 00:54:19.769 cowboys get popular The thing that follows is 00:54:19.769 --> 00:54:22.949 motorcycles And it happened in the 50s, and it 00:54:22.949 --> 00:54:27.309 happened in the 70s, you know? And you can see, 00:54:28.309 --> 00:54:30.690 like, you go from having album covers of, like, 00:54:30.710 --> 00:54:32.969 the Eagles dressed as the, you know, Wild West 00:54:32.969 --> 00:54:37.590 gunfighters, to suddenly, you know, Glenn Fry 00:54:37.590 --> 00:54:40.250 is on a fucking Harley, you know, three years 00:54:40.250 --> 00:54:45.469 later. And it just happened again, where between 00:54:45.469 --> 00:54:49.869 2016 and, like, 2023 -24, Like the whole thing 00:54:49.869 --> 00:54:52.889 was cowboys, you know, but now you're having 00:54:52.889 --> 00:54:55.670 all these dudes like you mean like fashion Yeah 00:54:55.670 --> 00:54:58.050 fashion wise. Okay. Yeah. Yeah where you're having 00:54:58.050 --> 00:55:00.849 all the and also all these celebrities now You 00:55:00.849 --> 00:55:03.710 know not like Norman Reedus who clearly loves 00:55:03.710 --> 00:55:06.409 motorcycles, but you know like Shaboosie and 00:55:06.409 --> 00:55:08.269 people like that. They're like I have a custom 00:55:08.269 --> 00:55:12.369 bike and it's like why Like you should that's 00:55:12.369 --> 00:55:14.949 suddenly the thing, you know, will you have that 00:55:14.949 --> 00:55:19.960 in three years from now? uh which is beneficial 00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:23.480 to me um but it's i think i think we're gonna 00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:27.519 have those people fall off at some point but 00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.780 i'm not sure that we're as a country gonna have 00:55:30.780 --> 00:55:34.460 the same amount of drop off in the scene because 00:55:34.460 --> 00:55:38.199 it's so ingrained like like a harley davison 00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:41.380 is synonymous with american culture yeah any 00:55:41.380 --> 00:55:43.539 uk kind of morphed into something i mean it's 00:55:43.539 --> 00:55:45.420 still there's still a scene there but it's but 00:55:45.420 --> 00:55:48.739 it's a lot less people With old bikes doing stuff, 00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:52.000 there's more people buying new bikes and doing 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:54.320 bolt -ons and little paint jobs and stuff like 00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:56.000 that because it's just convenient. There's a 00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:57.820 show out there I'm trying to remember the name 00:55:57.820 --> 00:56:05.739 of. There's one that, you know Party at the Pen 00:56:05.739 --> 00:56:09.480 that happens in Ohio and Idaho? Yeah. So that 00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:12.420 guy's involved with a show out in England and 00:56:12.420 --> 00:56:15.019 I cannot remember the name of it. Is it Hell 00:56:15.019 --> 00:56:18.110 on Wheels? I knew you were going to ask me. I 00:56:18.110 --> 00:56:22.489 don't remember. It's called The Trip Out. It 00:56:22.489 --> 00:56:25.309 might be. Yeah, The Trip Out has been going for 00:56:25.309 --> 00:56:27.590 years and years and years. And it's a guy called 00:56:27.590 --> 00:56:30.190 Andy. Oh God, I can't remember his name. We interviewed 00:56:30.190 --> 00:56:31.789 him, actually, and all in the blood. And I've 00:56:31.789 --> 00:56:35.150 met, you know, he's a, I used to know him reasonably 00:56:35.150 --> 00:56:37.909 well. And that's a great show because that's 00:56:37.909 --> 00:56:39.650 like a, you know, that's been a chopper show. 00:56:50.539 --> 00:56:54.000 And I know that with whatever show this is, which 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:57.840 might be that show, and Party at the Pen like 00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:01.199 they trade back and forth you know so like the 00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:02.940 people from that show will come over to Party 00:57:02.940 --> 00:57:05.699 at the Pen and they'll pick a bike or I think 00:57:05.699 --> 00:57:08.179 it's one two or three some number of that and 00:57:08.179 --> 00:57:10.559 then that bike will be invited out to the show 00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:12.679 in England and then when the show in England 00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:14.400 happens the Party at the Pen people will come 00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:16.940 out and invite those people back over to America 00:57:16.940 --> 00:57:21.699 which is an interesting concept to me and then 00:57:21.699 --> 00:57:25.300 outside of England and America there's whatever 00:57:25.300 --> 00:57:31.679 is going on in Japan, which is just buying everything 00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:34.639 we have at three times the price and shipping 00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:40.099 it over there. But, you know, it's always interesting 00:57:40.099 --> 00:57:44.320 to me to see because being in a place where motorcycles 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:46.820 and motorcycle cultures has been prominent for 00:57:46.820 --> 00:57:50.320 almost 100 years. It's interesting for me to 00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:53.440 see the way it's prominent in other places You 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:55.960 know and how they view the same machines Yeah, 00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:57.599 I thought that was interesting in your movie 00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.400 seeing that what bikes culture looks like all 00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:02.420 over the world Because I started looking up like 00:58:02.420 --> 00:58:04.559 specifically the Japanese guys that were in the 00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:08.539 movie because I don't know any of them But people 00:58:08.539 --> 00:58:19.760 over in Japan are doing crazy stuff They have 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.639 people build shoppers there, and they have people 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:28.579 who do cafe racers there, who are doing better 00:58:28.579 --> 00:58:30.579 work than the vast majority of people are doing 00:58:30.579 --> 00:58:33.920 in the UK and who are doing it in the US. It's 00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:36.519 like they double down on it so much to the point 00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:40.400 where they're actually, they're re -importing 00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:44.760 the culture that they've invented. It's like, 00:58:45.179 --> 00:58:48.760 I mean, you go to Moon Eyes, in Japan, and you 00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:51.699 see the standard of the bikes that they're producing 00:58:51.699 --> 00:58:55.340 there, and they're unreal, absolutely unreal. 00:58:58.340 --> 00:59:02.059 But they're just, it's just a different, it's 00:59:02.059 --> 00:59:05.400 like, I've traveled a lot, you know, with work, 00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:09.500 you know, all over the world, you know. Japan 00:59:09.500 --> 00:59:12.000 is one of the very few places where I've actually 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.760 arrived and really felt like a profound culture 00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:20.239 shock, like I'm somewhere where things are so 00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:24.179 different than back home. And I just think that 00:59:24.179 --> 00:59:30.719 there's a mentality there where there's just 00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:35.679 like a focus on perfection. So when people get 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.559 into something there, Yeah. Yeah. It's that Jiro 00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:42.340 dreams of sushi, but for bikes. Yeah. Yeah. And 00:59:42.340 --> 00:59:45.559 it's like, and it's not even money, necessarily 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:48.619 money driven either. It's like, you know, you 00:59:48.619 --> 00:59:50.659 go to, you know, you go to these workshops and 00:59:50.659 --> 00:59:52.559 they're reasonably humble workshops, but then 00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:54.219 you see the standard of the bikes that they're 00:59:54.219 --> 00:59:57.440 making. You just think, fuck, this is just like, 00:59:57.820 --> 01:00:00.579 this is off the scale. And you can't imagine 01:00:00.579 --> 01:00:02.440 really You know, and a bunch of the bikes that 01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:04.039 they build, they build for themselves and not 01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:06.239 for customers as well. It's like they're show 01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:08.260 bikes they build for themselves and they keep 01:00:08.260 --> 01:00:10.119 their show bikes and then they do the customer 01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:14.599 work. And I suppose, you know, like the standard 01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:17.079 of the show bikes is so high that if a customer 01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:20.099 was to come in and pay for it, it would be hundreds 01:00:20.099 --> 01:00:24.400 of thousands of dollars to buy it. But it is 01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:26.960 interesting. It is really interesting going over 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:29.760 there. I mean, I'd like to go. I've only been 01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:32.090 there a couple of times. A while back, I haven't 01:00:32.090 --> 01:00:37.530 been for a while. I've never been to Japan. It 01:00:37.530 --> 01:00:39.190 sounds like an amazing place. It seems like it'd 01:00:39.190 --> 01:00:42.369 be interesting. I would love to go and see what 01:00:42.369 --> 01:00:45.570 they're doing with bikes and cars and everything. 01:00:45.710 --> 01:00:49.230 But I was down in Nashville and this store has 01:00:49.230 --> 01:00:52.530 an old 70s CV chopper in it. And I was asking 01:00:52.530 --> 01:00:55.730 the guy, I was like, would you ever sell that? 01:00:56.269 --> 01:01:00.460 It's just sitting here. And he was like, yeah, 01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:03.880 I don't know maybe I had a Japanese guy offer 01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:06.320 me 10k for it and I was like, well, I give you 01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:10.059 four You know, and then he's like but the Japanese 01:01:10.059 --> 01:01:12.079 guy said ten I was like, yeah, I know it's not 01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:15.780 worth that But you know, but they'll pay like 01:01:15.780 --> 01:01:17.559 the thing to me about that one was like I get 01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:19.840 them spending a lot of money to get a panhead 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:23.079 But I'm like you guys built this one, you know, 01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:27.059 I think you could find this over there like This 01:01:27.059 --> 01:01:29.000 is your own motorcycle. You don't have to import 01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:31.980 it back in at three times the cost. That's a 01:01:31.980 --> 01:01:33.760 better story from Black Shag Vintage. That's 01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:37.780 true. Also, those t -shirts are pretty fucking 01:01:37.780 --> 01:01:46.340 expensive too. But they should be. To me, it's 01:01:46.340 --> 01:01:49.260 just... It's odd that they... Because it works 01:01:49.260 --> 01:01:52.139 the same way in vintage fashion. Where if you 01:01:52.139 --> 01:01:56.719 can get in with... the Japanese they will come 01:01:56.719 --> 01:02:00.840 over here give you fifty thousand dollars and 01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:04.900 then spend you know 12k just putting it in boxes 01:02:04.900 --> 01:02:10.539 to ship it back over to Japan like they seem 01:02:10.539 --> 01:02:14.139 to just be because every subculture of Americana 01:02:14.139 --> 01:02:18.079 that's ever existed somehow exists in Japan you 01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:20.570 know like I've seen Japanese Chicanos yeah that's 01:02:20.570 --> 01:02:23.210 a crazy scene i saw that it's really cool it's 01:02:23.210 --> 01:02:25.289 the same in the uk you have a you know their 01:02:25.289 --> 01:02:29.170 mod scene over there is like it's more on point 01:02:29.170 --> 01:02:31.369 than the mod scene back in the uk i mean in terms 01:02:31.369 --> 01:02:33.349 of the way people dress the kind of scooters 01:02:33.349 --> 01:02:37.769 they have like it's you know it's like exactly 01:02:37.769 --> 01:02:40.849 how it should be right If you were to make a 01:02:40.849 --> 01:02:43.190 movie about it and you were to like, you know, 01:02:43.289 --> 01:02:46.349 you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, you 01:02:46.349 --> 01:02:49.469 know, just getting all the styling and the style. 01:02:50.250 --> 01:02:53.309 Yeah, that's how it is. Yeah, attention to detail 01:02:53.309 --> 01:02:57.030 there as well. And it's it's kind of amazing. 01:02:57.170 --> 01:02:58.969 That's what I mean. It's like that mentality 01:02:58.969 --> 01:03:02.239 of just like they get into something. It's part 01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:05.400 of Japanese culture just to really fold into 01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:08.300 it in a way that there's nothing casual about 01:03:08.300 --> 01:03:13.360 it. It's like 100 % commitment. And that's all 01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:16.099 they're into, is that. So they'll have their 01:03:16.099 --> 01:03:19.539 work and then they'll have this kind of subcultural 01:03:19.539 --> 01:03:22.099 interest and there'll be nothing else. That will 01:03:22.099 --> 01:03:26.760 be it. And it's mad to see. That's sort of the 01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.079 way a lot of bikers are here too. That is the 01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:30.860 way bikers are here too. I know some club guys 01:03:30.860 --> 01:03:35.179 who are the same way. I wake up to a text message 01:03:35.179 --> 01:03:36.280 every time. I just need you to do the chocolate 01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:39.199 thing here. It's like, it's so, you know, that's 01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:45.639 the thing that's different here. It's like, the 01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:50.750 fashion thing comes and goes, right? As I was 01:03:50.750 --> 01:03:53.110 saying earlier, it's so ingrained in American 01:03:53.110 --> 01:03:55.130 culture, it's such a part of American culture 01:03:55.130 --> 01:03:57.769 that there's always going to be this unbroken 01:03:57.769 --> 01:04:00.389 line of people who are into it, regardless of 01:04:00.389 --> 01:04:03.949 whether it's not hip. All that's really going 01:04:03.949 --> 01:04:05.349 to change is the number of people who are going 01:04:05.349 --> 01:04:10.389 to be at the shows and how much you can pay or 01:04:10.389 --> 01:04:17.670 charge for vintage parts. Ten years ago, if you 01:04:17.670 --> 01:04:21.320 wanted to buy Like a Vincent Black Shadow for 01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:23.719 instance, you know, you'd have to pay you'd have 01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:29.119 to spend 50 grand up 50 ,000 pounds like $70 01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:32.380 ,000 up to buy a running one right matching numbers 01:04:32.380 --> 01:04:35.719 run cheese You go over there and you look at 01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:38.000 new auctions you buy a really good one for 25 01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:40.380 grand is because that whole interest in it is 01:04:40.380 --> 01:04:46.360 for Yeah, and the personal obsession market Evan 01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:50.230 flu. Yeah. Yeah And it's just also a lot of people 01:04:50.230 --> 01:04:53.070 are aging now as well. That's the thing with. 01:04:53.469 --> 01:04:55.889 Yeah. It's just that a lot of people are interested 01:04:55.889 --> 01:04:58.269 in them and B, you can maintain them. You know, 01:04:58.309 --> 01:05:00.989 it's falling by the wayside, you know. But it's 01:05:00.989 --> 01:05:02.809 but here it's slightly different because it's 01:05:02.809 --> 01:05:04.409 a generational thing, isn't it? It's like you 01:05:04.409 --> 01:05:06.769 said, it's like I've got my mate Duncan here, 01:05:06.909 --> 01:05:09.809 a good machine. And he's like, you know, his 01:05:09.809 --> 01:05:11.929 dad built by, you know, his dad built shoppers 01:05:11.929 --> 01:05:15.289 and his dad, you know, his granddad, you know, 01:05:15.469 --> 01:05:19.519 built. Spikes in the 50s, you know, it's like 01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:21.880 And they're also into hot rods and it's like 01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:23.900 it's that whole, you know It's just it's just 01:05:23.900 --> 01:05:26.820 a thing that gets passed down through generations 01:05:26.820 --> 01:05:30.800 and it's right. It's hardwired in American motorcycle 01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:33.559 culture I mean, that's the kind of that that's 01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.159 the epicenter of it and it's not necessarily 01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:41.579 like to go fast You know Americans like to do 01:05:41.579 --> 01:05:46.579 dangerous stuff and I think that's one of the 01:05:46.579 --> 01:05:48.639 most consistent and dangerous things that you 01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:51.800 can do in everyday life. And still like get to 01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:54.079 work on it. Yeah, and like still function and 01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:57.159 like live a life that exists around it. But I 01:05:57.159 --> 01:06:00.900 think, you know, a good investment right now 01:06:00.900 --> 01:06:04.239 would be to buy up every single Evo Sportster 01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:07.179 engine you can find. Because 20 years from now, 01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:14.760 they're not going to be a thousand dollars. everybody 01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:17.099 just turned their noses up at those. Just like, 01:06:17.099 --> 01:06:18.880 you know, they were just like, you had shows 01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:21.219 that would say no evos, you know, it's like, 01:06:21.820 --> 01:06:25.019 it was, you know, they were just like, uncool. 01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:30.800 And now they're like the shit. Yeah. It's because 01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:33.260 shovelheads, you know, it's like, you know, shovelheads 01:06:33.260 --> 01:06:36.239 have, you know, gone up in price and panettes, 01:06:36.619 --> 01:06:39.800 you know, panettes and knuckleheads are like, 01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:42.679 you know, tens of thousands of dollars to just 01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:46.340 to buy Just the motor that doesn't even run half 01:06:46.340 --> 01:06:49.860 the time. Exactly. And then two -year waiting 01:06:49.860 --> 01:06:52.079 list for somebody to rebuild it for you. So it's 01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:54.940 like, okay, well, what do we get our hands on 01:06:54.940 --> 01:07:02.139 next? I'm talking about coming here though, coming 01:07:02.139 --> 01:07:06.820 to the U .S. American bike culture is alive and 01:07:06.820 --> 01:07:09.320 strong, but there are less people who ride motorcycles 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:14.000 here than there are. per capita than there are 01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:18.619 back in the UK. Thank you. Yeah, I ride around, 01:07:18.619 --> 01:07:20.420 you know, ride around London and you see, you 01:07:20.420 --> 01:07:23.059 know, people ride, people ride motorcycles everywhere. 01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:25.340 There are loads of people riding motorcycles. 01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:27.800 You've got a New York, even like a busy city 01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:30.500 like New York, where it's like similar kind of 01:07:30.500 --> 01:07:32.639 population density. There's nowhere near as many 01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:34.980 people riding around with motorcycles. And then 01:07:34.980 --> 01:07:37.880 here down in Austin, it's like, you hardly ever 01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:43.019 see people. every day riding bikes. And that's 01:07:43.019 --> 01:07:44.440 one of the reasons why... See here in Northern 01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:48.340 Kentucky, I think we have the highest per capita 01:07:48.340 --> 01:07:52.440 motorcycle riders of the country. I believe that. 01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:54.820 There's like a motorcycle ride by my house every 01:07:54.820 --> 01:07:57.900 five minutes. Yeah, they're everywhere. But like 01:07:57.900 --> 01:07:59.679 I grew up in Washington DC and I don't think 01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:02.940 I saw a motorcycle, like an actual one, in the 01:08:02.940 --> 01:08:06.179 city of DC. Not like a Vespa, you know, but like 01:08:06.179 --> 01:08:11.119 any type of... motorcycle, even a Suzuki or Kawasaki, 01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:15.440 nothing, in 18 years that I grew up there. They 01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:19.159 just don't, and it's a tighter population density. 01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:22.000 It's not as big as London, London's massive, 01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:27.699 but it's still, you don't have people commuting 01:08:27.699 --> 01:08:32.449 on motorcycles in major metropolitan areas. Like 01:08:32.449 --> 01:08:34.510 you do even in like Thailand, you know, you watch 01:08:34.510 --> 01:08:38.310 a video of Bangkok and everyone's on a bike Yeah, 01:08:38.310 --> 01:08:44.109 you know It's like I kind of you know grew up 01:08:44.109 --> 01:08:46.310 riding in London, which is very busy like traffic's 01:08:46.310 --> 01:08:49.810 insane there, but it doesn't sound fun. No No, 01:08:49.810 --> 01:08:52.489 but it was it's just you it's like that's how 01:08:52.489 --> 01:08:55.090 you learn to ride right? So you ride like a hooligan 01:08:55.090 --> 01:09:00.239 your lane splitting You know, your sidewalk walk 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:03.819 hopping, you know, you ride like a hooligan and 01:09:03.819 --> 01:09:08.619 that's how you learn to ride. But coming here, 01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:11.960 I feel more exposed riding a bike here, riding 01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:14.960 around in Texas because there's not so many other 01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:18.739 people riding on the road. So drivers are less 01:09:18.739 --> 01:09:21.520 aware of you. It's like you drive a car in London. 01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:24.119 It's like you're used to having bikes just come 01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:27.680 in, you know. everywhere, coming from the left, 01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:30.140 right, behind, in front, crossing in front of 01:09:30.140 --> 01:09:34.079 you. It's like bikes are just a thing that you 01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:37.779 notice when you're driving. But here it's not. 01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:39.359 I've had a couple of times where I've nearly 01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:42.760 been knocked off just by idiots, just not even... 01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:47.020 Yeah, of course. And phones don't help because 01:09:47.020 --> 01:09:49.399 everyone's just watching YouTube or scrolling 01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:55.949 now. And that's one of the things... Like having 01:09:55.949 --> 01:09:59.829 a loud bike is helpful, you know where people 01:09:59.829 --> 01:10:02.310 are aware that hey, there's something around 01:10:02.310 --> 01:10:05.510 You know, and even then they don't look the time 01:10:05.510 --> 01:10:07.930 Yeah, it's disheartening to almost get hit by 01:10:07.930 --> 01:10:09.569 somebody and they don't even notice that they 01:10:09.569 --> 01:10:12.210 almost hit you Yeah, you know or they just merge 01:10:12.210 --> 01:10:15.750 into your lane. Yeah, you know for no reason 01:10:24.670 --> 01:10:27.329 Yeah, people drive... Yeah, I mean, loud pipes 01:10:27.329 --> 01:10:31.649 save lives, they do. I have loud pipes on all 01:10:31.649 --> 01:10:34.989 my bikes, and it's like, I'm sorry, did I offend 01:10:34.989 --> 01:10:36.770 you with my loud pipe? Or at least you heard 01:10:36.770 --> 01:10:39.210 me. At least you saw me. Yeah, I'm trying not 01:10:39.210 --> 01:10:45.149 to die. Yeah. Well, Gareth, thank you for doing 01:10:45.149 --> 01:10:49.729 this. Yeah. It was interesting. I love talking 01:10:49.729 --> 01:10:52.189 about motorcycles, and this is a different angle. 01:10:52.600 --> 01:10:54.899 than we've actually had on the podcast. Yeah, 01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:57.279 thanks for bringing another perspective. Because 01:10:57.279 --> 01:10:59.520 everyone else has been American, so you know. 01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:03.739 So I appreciate it. Thanks for coming on, man. 01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:08.199 That's a pleasure. Well, anytime. I always talk 01:11:08.199 --> 01:11:10.359 motorcycles. I love talking motorcycles almost 01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:11.619 as much as I like riding them.