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Alright, podcast intro. Good. Good start. Okay.

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Let's see. What do we have? New store location?

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Oh yeah. We're in the new store. We're in the

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new store. It's at 525 Main Street, Covington,

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Kentucky. Which is the same town, two minutes

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away. But less crackheads. If you move just literally

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a few blocks down the street, it gets more like

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a shop. It gets more like a place. A dystopian

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wasteland of homeless, crazy people. God, and

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they're just not gonna do anything about that.

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Let's see, let's do some recommendations. You

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know how we like sometimes do that and sometimes

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don't? Yeah. Let's do that. Let's. I have a movie.

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Alright. So I'm gonna recommend watching The

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Battle for Algiers. Okay. which is a 1966 Italian

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movie directed by a guy whose name I can't pronounce,

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starring people whose names I can't pronounce.

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Fair enough. About the FLN, which is the Algerian

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Resistance Against French Occupation, and the...

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This is like involving De Gaulle and stuff, right?

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This is why the French people hated De Gaulle?

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It doesn't get into that. Okay. It's literally

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just... the rise of violence between the two

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sides. Okay. And it's shot in a very documentary

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style. There's only one guy in it that's like

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an actual actor. Many of the people in it were

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actually involved in the... That's cool. It's

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like four years after they were actually free

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from France, so it's still very recent. Yeah.

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One of the head guys in FLN, the movie was one

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of the head guys in real life. It's very interesting.

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The guy that plays the colonel is an actor. He's

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fucking great and it's it's a it's a very objective

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movie in terms of Each side, you know, it's it

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really kind of is like watching a documentary

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of the things happening but it shot incredibly

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well and You know, you don't get to see Algeria

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in places like that in that time that often so

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it's very interesting thing to watch. Yeah And

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you know, it's one of those movies where it's

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like it's one of the best movies ever made and

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then you're watching you're like it sure is Well,

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that's good. I know I hate it when I watch something

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I go like that like if you look up like the IMDB

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list It's like Shawshank Redemption is the best

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movie ever made and you watch are like the best

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It was and then it makes you not like it cuz

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you're like it was a fine movie until you ruined

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it It's not that call it the best. It's not it's

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not top thousand if I'm being honest It's 80s

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good which is in my, if you know me, not a super

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high, you know, opinion. You know, it should

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be tougher. Should be Escape from Alcatraz. Escape

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from Alcatraz is a better movie than Shawshank

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Redemption. Well, I think they do like the Nobel

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Prize thing does with the Academy Awards, and

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they just like... pick the few favorites and

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then just platform the fuck out of those. Comes

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that forever. So then those become the IMD movies

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and you're like those weren't the best movies

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those are just the ones that got fucking platformed.

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Yeah, but also on the flip side sometimes you

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look at like cinephiles, best movies. And there's

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just people jerking themselves off. Yeah. You

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know, like Dr. Caligari. It's like, you don't

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like that. I don't listen to those people. If

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you want to put your opinions on the internet,

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I probably don't want to hear them. Like, Battle

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for Algiers on all those cinephile lists. And

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you know what? It fucking is. Yeah. It's great.

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You know, what do you got? What's a recommendation

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you have? Put it on the spot. I just read a really

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depressing book. Which one the Franklin scandal

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cool. What's that about? Well, it's about the

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Franklin scandal, which is Which is when a guy

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named Larence King stole 40 million dollars from

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his his bank and then they found out that he

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was also running a Like, you know a pedophile

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network for elite rich people and politicians

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It was it's not a happy book. No, it's very depressing

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and the worst thing is The justice system is

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on full display doing what it does best and attacking

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the victims. The only people who served time

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for all the children that were abused was one

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of the children who was abused. Yes, she got

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four years for not taking back her story. They

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killed her brother, they killed the... prosecutor

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and blew up his plane. There's tons, that's not

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proven, that's speculation, but it's pretty much,

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you can't prove who did 9 -11 either. It's pretty

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grisly and it's the worst example of the system

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kind of doing what it does and protecting. It's

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the exact same play we saw with the Epstein files.

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You dox the victims, you protect the guys. Larry

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King got a few years for stealing $40 million

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and then went free. A different Larry King. Yeah,

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Lawrence King. He went by Larry. Not late night

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radio DJ Larry King. But if you want a really

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depressing look at the justice system in all

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of its horror, Nick Bryant is an investigator

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who released Epstein's Little Black Book in 2015

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and frankly released more information on that

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than the Epstein files release. then he spent

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seven years with the victims interviewing and

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looking into the Franklin scandal and then he

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wrote a book called the Franklin scandal and

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I've been meaning to read it but putting it off

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because I knew it was gonna be so fucking depressing

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and you know what it was it was so you know check

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that out but it's important to know because you

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don't understand like what's going on with the

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Epstein files unless you understand how it how

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it works with Franklin This is an interview with

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Rob Lines. On that note... Cool. You asked. Thanks,

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bud. You know who's not in the Epstein files?

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Next time say like Rambo or something. Almost,

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but we had to do the interview. You know who's

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not in the Epstein files is Rob Lines. he's a

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great guy i can vouch for him he's a musician

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oh god from georgia now living in texas uh and

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he has a new single that'll be out today today

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when this comes out which is friday august 28th

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2026 called heathens his last single for this

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record was stray dogs stray dogs My brain was

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screaming straw dogs at me. I know, me too. I

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kept thinking Dustin Hoffman. Yeah, which is

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also a bummer. It's so, such a bummer. Yeah.

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Anyway, Peck and Pondou had to make bummers.

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He really did. You should watch straw dogs and

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read Franklin Scandal, but before you do... Or

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after maybe, listen to this and bring yourself

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back up. Yeah, this is a happy one. This is an

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interview with Rob Lyons. We do talk about a

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conspiracy, it's none of these. We're gonna start

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asking our guests what rabbit holes they enjoy.

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Yeah, that'd be fun. So this is the first one

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where we do that. But, you know, have a good

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time with this. And if you decide to, have a

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bad time with those other things. Yeah, sorry,

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and you're welcome. All right, so it's it's a

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it's like a psychedelic quasi psychedelic movie

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based on a book by Gore Vidal Where okay, I could

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if I could read I would know what that is. It's

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a weird book for that guy to write And it's based

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on it's essentially the Rockhill Welsh character

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is a guy who transitions to a girl out of the

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gate comes out looking like Raquel Welch, which

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is nuts. That is pretty nuts. And they don't

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explain that at all. And then tries to steal

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an acting school. Especially for 1970. Yeah.

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Absolutely. That's pretty progressive back then.

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And John Huston's in it. Yeah. The director who

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did like the Maltese Falcon. He's in Chinatown.

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He's moving her kills. But it's not a good movie.

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But I love it a great deal. Well, what do you

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think of Point Break? Like and point blank and

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I can Well some some would say that you know

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Keanu Reeves acting is pretty bad, but there

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was There was this theater thing briefly lived

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in Los Angeles and it was at a venue and they

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would reenact all point break They would pick

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someone from the crowd to do sure, you know Keanu

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Reeves, which is you know, kind of funny because

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anyone could do it The weird thing about like

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Him and Nick Cage is that Nick Cage more is whenever

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he's doing something crazy But yeah, you hear

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him like explain it It's the most reasonable

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decision in acting someone's ever made. He'll

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be like, I was playing it like upper, you know,

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New England actors would in 1870. You're like,

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well, then then you're like, well, I guess that

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makes sense. All right, Nick. You're like, of

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course, who wouldn't play it like Nick, dude?

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Yeah, Nick. He's got he's got it. And you know,

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as far as the Keanu bashing goes, like. He gets

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the point across. I love that guy. I agree. I

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love that guy. He was just here, actually. Where

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are y 'all? We're in Covington, Kentucky. It's

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basically Cincinnati. Yeah. Gotcha. Gotcha. And

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the other day, I got a text. Hey, sorry, go ahead.

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I got a text from Reagan who was at an event

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for us. She's like, Keanu Reeves is here. And

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I was like, what do you mean? No. Aw, man. Yeah,

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and he was here. He was playing with his band

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at Bogarts or some shit. That's super cool. I

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would have gone to that. Yeah, I didn't know

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until that day. I didn't even know he had a band

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if I'm being honest with you. I did know that

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much. Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does at all. What

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a guy. What a guy. He's today's Fred Rogers.

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No. Yeah. He's one of the only good ones. Oh,

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okay. Yeah, you could seems like you could hang

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out with him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it would be very

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chill. He's not in the Epstein files. He's not

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in the Epstein files. No, he's not. And neither

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was Fred Rogers, so I guess you have a point.

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Yeah, look into them. You can't find dirt on

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those guys. So where are you from, Rob? I'm from

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Canton, Georgia, originally, but I live in the

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Austin area, about an hour from Canton, Georgia.

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Where is that in relation to Athens and Atlanta?

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Two and a half hours. So it's north. So if you

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go 75, it's in between I would say downtown Atlanta

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and Chattanooga. Okay, so north Georgia. Okay,

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you got 575 up towards, you know, Blue Ridge

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Mountain. So you hop off and head that way. I

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lived in Athens for about 20 years off and on.

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And I love I never really other than Atlanta

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a little bit. I never really got outside of Athens

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other than like go down the river and get totally

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I mean you could yeah, you can get out of athens

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and there's a sponge. I mean, that's the beauty

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of the southeast man It's like all of a sudden

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you're in a jungle. Yeah, you're like in a rainforest.

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Yeah, I miss it Yeah, my dad lives in greensboro,

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georgia, which is right on the lake of coney.

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Um And it's it's kind of odd because you start

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driving towards macon and like very quickly It

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feels like the old south, you know, like trees

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covering the roads and like that whatever that

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certain type of tree is And then you go up north

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and you end up in like Atlanta or Athens and

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it's totally a different vibe totally different

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I mean, I've spent basically no time in northern

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Georgia other than being like why is it taking

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me so long to get from Chattanooga to Greensboro?

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Yeah, but I want to go up the stone mountain

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that seems cool stone mountains cool, I mean

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Man, you know, I've moved around. My dad was

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in the military. I lived on the ground a bit.

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But I was born in Savannah, Georgia. I was just

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there for the first time. Dude, I haven't been

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back since. We left when I was four. Lived in

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Dahlonega for a while. I didn't love Savannah,

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I'll be honest. Have you ever been to Mobile,

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Alabama? No, I've only been to like golf shores

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and stuff in Alabama. Gotcha. Yeah, I would imagine

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Savannah is similar. I don't know. It's sad,

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I'm from Georgia and I don't even know. It's

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like one of those places that feels like it's

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over, you know what I mean? Like you can tell

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that it was cool. It was booming. Something was

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interesting. The big boom's over. I got a buddy

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that lives there, he says it's a pretty hot,

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it seems like a pretty cool place. Oh, I don't

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know. I was there for about five hours. Well,

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you got the beach. That's the only beach we got

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in Georgia. That's something. So your dad's in

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the military. He was. He was. But yeah, we moved

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around. So I moved back. But all my family's

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from Blairsville area to the sticks really far

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northeast Georgia. So they're all still there.

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And when you were moving around, is that when

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you picked up playing music? How'd that come

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to be? Man, I was my dad was stationed in Southern,

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California and we made he made the decision to

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move back to Georgia And so I picked up a guitar

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on the on the in the van. I mean, I always play

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but it clicked for me on that drive I was I was

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a bad kid He picked me up at the middle school

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with all my friends and I had a girlfriend at

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the time It was just heartbreaking, you know,

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it was the most most dramatic shit ever sure

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at that time. You're 13, what else is? Yeah.

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I mean I think I was 15 so I picked up the guitar

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and for some reason it clicked as soon as I was

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there and so I was in metal bands in high school.

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Big death metal fan and so I picked that up and

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then really got out of it. I mean we never played

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a show or anything but that's when I started

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like composing music you know was probably around

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17. Okay, were you writing songs like from a

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metal perspective or absolutely or were you sort

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of absolutely? Okay, yeah that metal big blues

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and country influence to but that uh, there's

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a metal to americana pipeline that serves to

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exist You know, my tunes are a little heavier.

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It's not country. It's southern but it's heavy.

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It's heavier Yeah, I think there's a lot of people

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that we talk to that they're like in high school.

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I was in metal bands Oh, yeah, john marlin is

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one of them who's definitely softer and it's

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like that's not showing up at all in what you

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do now We're just some angsty teens, you know

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Mean there's there's a line between I guess the

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anger but at a certain point Absolutely, it's

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pretty loud and you want it to be a little less

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aggressive. I used to have a theory that a lot

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of the black metal guys got into Like bluegrass

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and stuff because that speed picking on the banjo

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is a lot like some shreddy black metal. I mean,

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it's incredibly hard Yeah, yeah, absolutely Yeah,

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there's a lot of parallels and I think Yeah,

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I mean Omar from Silverado says the best. Medals

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for fun. Country pays the bills. Alright. I think

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he may have said that on this podcast. I'm sure

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he did, yeah. We love Omar. Yeah. He's another

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one like that. I mean, but if you listen to him,

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you know, like what he's doing in Silverado,

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you can kind of tell that he's a metal guy. Totally.

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He adds that edge, you know? Yeah, there's a

00:16:06.690 --> 00:16:09.990
lot of he's doing a lot of stuff and yeah in

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a positive way. You know, I agree Because there's

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two in my opinion There's two types of musicians

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like people that do a lot of stuff and it adds

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and people that do like nothing in it adds totally

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I was watching an old video of canned heat and

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the dude blind out just like wasn't playing for

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a minute and a half you know and people were

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like he got you know he got nervous I was like

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no he didn't he just didn't have to be yeah he

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was just about he was just vibing other people

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were doing stuff yeah it was not my time yeah

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was it Sid Vicious from Sex Pistols? Which one

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was the lead singer? That was Johnny Rotten.

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Johnny Rotten was lead singer. Sid played bass.

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Sid played bass. They just had him hold it and

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slap it. He would cut himself, total showman.

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He was more punk rock. Yeah, exactly. Not a musician.

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That's a great example of that. That's a good

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movie. Gary Oldman playing him. If anyone hasn't

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seen that. Gary Oldman's killer. So you moved

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back to Georgia, you're playing in metal bands.

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Do you go to college? Do you avoid college? Oh,

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I never went to college. Yeah. I actually got

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a DUI my senior year. So I was just trying to

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buy some acid. It's not a big deal. I don't know

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what I can say on this podcast. It literally

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would have anything. I figured so. It's called

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outlaw shit. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Sorry, mom. Yeah,

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I was going to I was going to buy something I

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got popped right and so I didn't have a license

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for a while but a good friend of mine who was

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older he he graduated the year before and moved

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up to the Akohi River sure you guys have heard

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heard that so he became a commercial raft guide

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and I was like man this is kind of my way out

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of Canton so another mutual friend would in the

00:18:08.130 --> 00:18:10.869
spring you go up and train to be a raft guide

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and then by Memorial day you have to be checked

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out, you know, okay, so you can take customers

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down So I was a rough guide for five years man.

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I was cool. Yeah at 18 It was the coolest nice

00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:27.259
coolest job ever and so I was in it got really

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good at Whitewater kayaking as well. So I traveled

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around the southeast like you know running class

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four class five and then went to welding school

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and actually Got a job out west for Exxon Welding

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pipe, okay, then got a job with Siemens, which

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is a German company, but yeah Yeah, specializing

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in Cincinnati huge. Yeah, they're everywhere

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everywhere and so I got involved in turbine work

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and so I would fly around like all the country

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and South South America and Mexico a pair of

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turbines and so I would sing under my hood and

00:19:08.980 --> 00:19:10.980
everyone's like like seeing while I was working

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like, dude, you, you, you right? I was like,

00:19:13.339 --> 00:19:15.019
yeah, I got like three songs. So I did an open

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mic night and it just kind of snowballed from

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there. All right. I mean, I imagine that job

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probably paid pretty good. Yeah. I took a leap.

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Took a big fucking leap. I mean, I had a 401k.

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I mean, I was, you know, 25 or 26 crushing it.

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making great money. Blew it all. Had like rented

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a house in LA with a pool and just blew it all.

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What were you doing out in LA? So when I was

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in Venturo outside of Goleta working for the

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oil fields and when I got hired for Siemens I

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had to be closer to an airport so I needed to

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be closer to LAX and I had some friends there

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and a buddy of mine we got a big house and just

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Balling. Balling out. Were you playing any music

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out in LA? Is that where you started? So that's

00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:13.960
kind of where I started. I mean I did my first

00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:16.920
open mic in Chattanooga, but it kind of was like,

00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:19.960
man, why don't you play? So I mean, I didn't

00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:23.900
move to LA to play music. It's very, very bizarre.

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But if you're already there. I was already there.

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I was like, well, why not? So I started doing

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open mic nights and then met a fiddle player

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on Craigslist and we started playing together.

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What year was this by the way? Shit I remember

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my first big show it was a New Year's Eve gig

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and so at that time I'd put together a three

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-piece band and the fiddle player had left so

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now I was like shit I got to learn how to solo

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and be the front man and all that so we got a

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gig on New Year's Eve and you know I had like

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a 45 You know, I always mostly played originals

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Yeah, and so I've maybe had an hour and a half

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and we had to do three hours So I did the first

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half and then by that time everyone's fucked

00:21:06.849 --> 00:21:11.130
up, right? So I just repeated it Yeah, just repeated

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the set again and and they paid me in ones I

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remember we got six hundred dollars and they

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they paid me in one stacks of one and I was like

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Dude, I'm getting paid playing movie. That's

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a cool shit. And so every week every week I'd

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send 30 emails Around you know I never really

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broke out I stuck with within within our means

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you know sure like within the Southern California

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area it would be Orange County or I think the

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furthest we went was Phoenix which is six hours

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Yeah, but just slowly I make sent emails and

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emails and emails and playing you know corners

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of bars and and You know just kind of cutting

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cutting your teeth, and then I remember I was

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working at a bar and I had met some some agents

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in Nashville and She's like, oh I follow you

00:22:00.460 --> 00:22:02.980
on an Instagram. You're funny and I was like

00:22:02.980 --> 00:22:08.119
cool. Thanks she was awesome and she I was working

00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:11.960
at the bar and she called me and said hey, I

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got a two -week this was 2019 at that point.

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Okay, and she's like I got a whiskey Mars tour

00:22:19.259 --> 00:22:21.839
and I think your sound would work really well

00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:24.940
So for that was the first biggest it's a pretty

00:22:24.940 --> 00:22:27.839
good first. Yeah first way around and they were

00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:30.640
yeah that they had just done Yellowstone at that

00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:34.220
time and I can't remember what region. Yeah,

00:22:34.220 --> 00:22:37.779
we did the West cuz I remember we played Laramie

00:22:37.779 --> 00:22:39.839
we did all the mountain states. I believe if

00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:43.180
I remember correctly so And that was like, you

00:22:43.180 --> 00:22:45.359
know, I've been a fan of theirs forever and I

00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:47.619
got that call and I was like I've been Bust in

00:22:47.619 --> 00:22:49.859
my ass like I teared up and then my manager the

00:22:49.859 --> 00:22:51.720
one female that worked there She was like mama

00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:54.400
bear and she's like go outside I was working

00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:57.339
when this agent called me like get your ass outside

00:22:57.339 --> 00:23:00.140
and call her back right now You know, she was

00:23:00.140 --> 00:23:02.819
it was cool. Yeah, do you call my mom? I'm like

00:23:02.819 --> 00:23:07.440
mom. Oh, man. That's awesome Do you know if I'm

00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:10.640
out in LA like Ryan Hahn or Ryan Posner Levi?

00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:14.039
Yeah, absolutely Yeah, okay cool. I know all

00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:17.559
those guys. I haven't seen Ryan in a long time.

00:23:18.339 --> 00:23:21.259
Ryan Ha? Yeah, I was just out there not that

00:23:21.259 --> 00:23:25.259
long ago. Yeah, he used to do the small town

00:23:25.259 --> 00:23:27.039
Friday nights thing. I can't remember where.

00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:31.460
Silver Lake Lounge. Thank you. And I know they

00:23:31.460 --> 00:23:35.440
don't do it anymore. That place got sold. I'm

00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:40.779
sure it did, yeah. I did it one time. There seems

00:23:40.779 --> 00:23:45.220
to be... a pretty good Los Angeles scene that

00:23:45.220 --> 00:23:49.140
kind of cropped up around like the late 2010s

00:23:49.140 --> 00:23:52.440
and somehow survived COVID and got bigger. Sure

00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:55.420
did. The grand old Echo is pretty much responsible

00:23:55.420 --> 00:23:59.220
for that, for country and I mean we just played

00:23:59.220 --> 00:24:01.519
it still this day and I remember going in there

00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:05.680
like this is this is the spot I need to get involved

00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:07.480
in and that's where I met some of my closest

00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.569
friends was through that community. Yeah, still

00:24:10.569 --> 00:24:13.390
still friends this day, but I just can't stand

00:24:13.390 --> 00:24:16.049
I could never live there again So yeah, I mean

00:24:16.049 --> 00:24:18.549
I moved I lived in San Francisco for a little

00:24:18.549 --> 00:24:21.269
bit Because I was like this is gonna be great

00:24:21.269 --> 00:24:24.150
I like this city and then once you live in a

00:24:24.150 --> 00:24:26.009
city you're like I kind of don't like it anymore

00:24:26.009 --> 00:24:29.150
Yeah, you know well, it's fun to visit for the

00:24:29.150 --> 00:24:32.559
memories and then it's like Yeah, I love LA,

00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:34.519
but I don't live in LA. Like I get to go to LA

00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:36.940
and act like I'm a rich guy in LA on vacation.

00:24:37.940 --> 00:24:40.420
You know? Just ball out. And then like that's

00:24:40.420 --> 00:24:42.519
cool because you know, you can go up to the fucking

00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:46.019
Palisades and pretend that like you belong in

00:24:46.019 --> 00:24:48.819
the stores and all that kind of shit. Right.

00:24:49.619 --> 00:24:53.759
But then you go home to Florence, Kentucky. But

00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:56.799
no one knows. No one knows. Always know you're

00:24:56.799 --> 00:24:58.819
going back to Florence, Kentucky. Yeah, there

00:24:58.819 --> 00:25:02.710
was a... I did a thing one time, I was out there

00:25:02.710 --> 00:25:05.670
with my wife and we were at the Beverly Center

00:25:05.670 --> 00:25:09.230
and we went to Balenciaga and I bought a pair

00:25:09.230 --> 00:25:12.230
of socks and they were like $300. Are you kidding

00:25:12.230 --> 00:25:16.549
me? What? Anyway, it is. And I also had these

00:25:16.549 --> 00:25:19.529
pants from Camp High which is like a super fucking

00:25:19.529 --> 00:25:23.059
niche. Handmade hippie brand those those pants

00:25:23.059 --> 00:25:25.619
are fucking expensive, too And like we're walking

00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:28.160
around the Beverly Center, and we got the Balenciaga

00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:29.700
bag, and I was like hey Do you want to go into

00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:31.819
the you know the Prada store? And she's like

00:25:31.819 --> 00:25:33.500
no, and I was like yeah Let's go to the Prada

00:25:33.500 --> 00:25:36.640
store, and we go in dude and with the fucking

00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:39.579
Balenciaga bag everyone the Prada store was like

00:25:39.579 --> 00:25:40.960
hey How's it going? What do you want? What do

00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:44.299
you need? Yeah? We didn't have that fucking bag,

00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:47.299
and I was wearing real tree crocs and shit, but

00:25:47.299 --> 00:25:48.819
they need that bag And they're like they're weird

00:25:48.819 --> 00:25:53.170
LA people And it made me deeply happy inside.

00:25:53.190 --> 00:25:56.569
You felt like a local. It's a good feeling. Yeah,

00:25:56.690 --> 00:25:59.690
I have an inherent need to, like if I'm in Nashville

00:25:59.690 --> 00:26:01.589
or anywhere, I need people to think that I'm

00:26:01.589 --> 00:26:06.529
from there. Really? I need it so bad. I'm the

00:26:06.529 --> 00:26:10.390
opposite. It's very clear in places when I go.

00:26:10.470 --> 00:26:13.509
Dude, it's anywhere. It could be Pensacola, Florida.

00:26:13.809 --> 00:26:15.569
Yeah, you need research. And I need people to

00:26:15.569 --> 00:26:17.470
think I'm from Pensacola, Florida. You're wearing

00:26:17.470 --> 00:26:19.450
like a Salt Life shirt or some shit. It's like

00:26:19.450 --> 00:26:23.869
I'm fucking Seminole shit. I'm you, you know?

00:26:26.019 --> 00:26:29.859
Well, I mean we travel so much and we can't even

00:26:29.859 --> 00:26:32.160
give a shit anymore Yeah, yeah, I mean there's

00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.660
something in my psyche that is yeah I could probably

00:26:34.660 --> 00:26:37.019
get looked into as to why I need that acceptance,

00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:39.690
right? But, you know, that's not important. You

00:26:39.690 --> 00:26:43.269
should dive deeper into that. Try to figure that

00:26:43.269 --> 00:26:45.549
out. This whole podcast just becomes me trying

00:26:45.549 --> 00:26:48.369
to figure out why I need people to like me. So

00:26:48.369 --> 00:26:52.950
how did that make you feel? Made me feel really

00:26:52.950 --> 00:26:55.690
good. They thought I belonged. They didn't know

00:26:55.690 --> 00:26:57.569
I had socks in the bag. I bought the cheapest

00:26:57.569 --> 00:27:00.829
fucking thing in the store. Like, come on, I

00:27:00.829 --> 00:27:05.089
spent $300 for you to like me. I embrace being

00:27:05.089 --> 00:27:08.559
an outcast. Yeah, me too. I stick out. Well,

00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.319
I'm not around here, although I did see you from

00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:13.059
a two blocks away today cuz you're all black

00:27:13.059 --> 00:27:18.220
and six foot two So like I don't like touring

00:27:18.220 --> 00:27:20.960
I wouldn't like touring I don't like being anywhere

00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:24.440
for longer than about a week. That's not my house

00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:28.059
How do you how do you put up with that? Yeah,

00:27:28.059 --> 00:27:30.819
do you like it or is it stroke is a part of work?

00:27:31.980 --> 00:27:35.420
Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I mean it's become a huge

00:27:35.420 --> 00:27:38.079
network and That's not a lot of people that I've

00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.380
met I mean you got you got friends as close friends

00:27:41.380 --> 00:27:43.059
everywhere probably more friends than I have

00:27:43.059 --> 00:27:46.279
at home Yeah, any part of the country, you know

00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:48.420
as you hit up your buddy it's an opportunity

00:27:48.420 --> 00:27:51.579
to see other people and meet other people and

00:27:51.579 --> 00:27:56.980
really Everywhere you go. I mean people or people

00:27:56.980 --> 00:27:58.759
that's all the same. You know what I mean? They

00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:01.039
just have different upbringings or environments

00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:05.500
or and it's really Like oh you're you're from

00:28:05.500 --> 00:28:08.039
blah blah or whatever. It's like yeah, you're

00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:10.019
all the same. Shut the fuck up, dude I mean,

00:28:10.019 --> 00:28:13.119
do you notice a difference? Because I do just

00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.819
seeing shows in different places between the

00:28:15.819 --> 00:28:19.160
way that crowds like 100 % Yeah, what's up? That's

00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:21.920
so fucking weird. Yeah, it's very weird and I

00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.900
noticed for us, which is bizarre like the southeast

00:28:25.900 --> 00:28:30.059
is Is really hard. I mean, yeah and a lot of

00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:32.140
and we do a lot of biker rallies and people are

00:28:32.140 --> 00:28:34.339
standing there with their arms folded Yeah, you

00:28:34.339 --> 00:28:37.440
know sometimes and then I'm like well They don't

00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:39.779
give a damn and then you get off stage and they

00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:41.720
run up to you like and that was so awesome I'm

00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.279
like, I was gonna say not everybody they're just

00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.160
standing in the back or miserable They're just

00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.339
they're just well, they're either they're either

00:28:49.339 --> 00:28:51.559
just watching or they're musicians because you

00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:53.420
can I always can spot a musician from the stage

00:28:53.420 --> 00:28:55.099
They're just standing their arms folded. Yeah

00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.339
Observing just that was cool or that wasn't cool.

00:28:58.339 --> 00:29:01.359
Just taking this judging. Yeah, I mean I'm the

00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:03.259
same way right? It's like I'm not gonna be up

00:29:03.259 --> 00:29:08.180
in front I like to watch the overall Production,

00:29:08.420 --> 00:29:11.319
you know what I mean me too. Yeah, you've played

00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.779
uh, I might be making this up But you played

00:29:14.779 --> 00:29:17.019
the Southgate house in Newport, Kentucky, right?

00:29:18.220 --> 00:29:21.160
Yeah, right by the river. Yeah. Yeah, I like

00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:24.710
I like that. Yeah, we had that's a head That's

00:29:24.710 --> 00:29:27.750
you guys yeah, that's right, but we've done events

00:29:27.750 --> 00:29:30.269
there. We know the people where were y 'all man

00:29:30.269 --> 00:29:32.789
He would have been seven of five probably had

00:29:32.789 --> 00:29:38.190
a fucking town But um I think it was like a Wednesday

00:29:38.190 --> 00:29:40.490
it was a rough dude. That's what I was about

00:29:40.490 --> 00:29:43.750
this didn't line up Well the thing there is like

00:29:43.750 --> 00:29:46.990
I've seen It's a cool room though. It's a great

00:29:46.990 --> 00:29:49.250
room, but the only people that I've seen sell

00:29:49.250 --> 00:29:52.630
it out are Charlie Crockett right before he blew

00:29:52.630 --> 00:29:57.180
up Mm -hmm and Jeremy Pennell who's from here,

00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.640
right? Yeah, right. He's a boss. Hello. That

00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:02.339
is great But like but I mean, you know, he's

00:30:02.339 --> 00:30:05.039
some good shows there that were not packed like

00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:07.440
when Jesse Daniel played there I've seen Jesse

00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.799
that's all Jesse Daniel eight years ago to a

00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:11.700
sold -out room of that He's got a he's got a

00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:14.799
big draw a lot of places But yeah, totally. It's

00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:16.599
funny to watch these artists that have a big

00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:18.880
draw and then you get a private show all of a

00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:21.339
sudden It's really weird and like depending on

00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:24.759
Don't know what's up with this area because I've

00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:27.680
talked in depth to Marella who owns Southgate

00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:30.519
About the music going crowd and in and around

00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.079
Cincinnati and it's kind of shitty. Yeah, like

00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.460
just like yeah people people don't go out like

00:30:37.460 --> 00:30:40.279
People don't go out for stuff and then I see

00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:44.319
that same bill Somewhere else and it yeah, it's

00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:46.839
a passion like it should be. Yeah, you know,

00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:50.839
it's we were just incident or I was in December

00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:53.559
we did Was with Bones Owens and we were opening

00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:55.660
for whiskey Myers and we did it on their acoustic

00:30:55.660 --> 00:30:58.880
thing And so I stopped in in Cincinnati because

00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:02.859
we played Columbus We stopped in Cincinnati and

00:31:02.859 --> 00:31:05.980
Bones has been everywhere. He's like Hey, do

00:31:05.980 --> 00:31:08.599
you want to go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

00:31:08.779 --> 00:31:10.660
You know, if you're can prove that you're a touring

00:31:10.660 --> 00:31:13.339
musician you get you can get in for free. Oh,

00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:16.410
that's awesome. So we went in and then Go in

00:31:16.410 --> 00:31:18.750
the guitar center and get strings and that's

00:31:18.750 --> 00:31:20.910
how I got I'm not sure if you've seen photos

00:31:20.910 --> 00:31:24.750
or videos whatever but I got a an Explorer I

00:31:24.750 --> 00:31:26.849
went in for strings and bought a Gibson Explorer.

00:31:27.250 --> 00:31:30.289
Oh In Cincinnati at the at the guitar. So no,

00:31:30.410 --> 00:31:32.829
I haven't seen what are you gonna? Yeah, I was

00:31:32.829 --> 00:31:36.269
like dude this thing I call it the headsman It's

00:31:36.269 --> 00:31:37.869
like this comes with big responsibility. You

00:31:37.869 --> 00:31:41.549
got to walk out swinging swinging long. I mean

00:31:41.549 --> 00:31:44.049
if you're gonna if you're gonna play this thing

00:31:44.049 --> 00:31:47.900
you gotta How much does that shit go for? Mmm

00:31:47.900 --> 00:31:51.460
at the time I think this was a 2018 but just

00:31:51.460 --> 00:31:53.480
the color of it and the pickups that were in

00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.039
it It was about 18. It wasn't bad and but it

00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:59.539
came with a case and I made paint which is it's

00:31:59.539 --> 00:32:01.339
an odd shape, you know, if it didn't come with

00:32:01.339 --> 00:32:04.660
a case I don't know about guitars to know the

00:32:04.660 --> 00:32:06.720
specificity and awesomeness of this. So Billy

00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.160
Gibson plays one. Okay, the big thing coming

00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:13.900
up like this Yeah, mine's like a Really cool

00:32:13.900 --> 00:32:17.500
mahogany color. That's awesome. Did he design

00:32:17.500 --> 00:32:20.519
it? Mm -hmm. Okay, a lot of people played it.

00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.299
Okay. I didn't know it's a statement piece. Yeah,

00:32:23.299 --> 00:32:27.319
I guess yeah Yeah, it's like my buddy's got a

00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:31.539
he picked up Like a like a squire flying V guitar

00:32:31.539 --> 00:32:34.099
just because sometimes he's like I want to walk

00:32:34.099 --> 00:32:35.960
out with one He's got a snake on it and shit.

00:32:35.980 --> 00:32:38.579
He's like cool It's like I think sometimes I

00:32:38.579 --> 00:32:40.460
need to feel like I'm in a hair metal band and

00:32:40.460 --> 00:32:45.420
it's not a hair metal band I'll chicken I'll

00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:47.480
chicken pick on it like country shit on it too.

00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:51.000
Yeah, it's pretty versatile and I mean like there's

00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.660
a lot of stuff like at this point we talked about

00:32:53.660 --> 00:32:56.900
this with a lot of musicians where We've gotten

00:32:56.900 --> 00:32:58.880
to a point where all the stuff kind of comes

00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:01.000
together like we all grew up on everything and

00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:04.099
then once You know just like streaming came around

00:33:04.099 --> 00:33:06.140
it became easier to grow up on everything. You

00:33:06.140 --> 00:33:08.240
didn't have to go and find the record, right?

00:33:09.059 --> 00:33:11.500
So like you see a lot of people just ripping

00:33:11.500 --> 00:33:13.799
stuff from genres and that might be musical it

00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.480
might be looks it might be whatever but The lines

00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:20.640
I think are starting to blur a little bit between

00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:26.390
various genres totally and I mean A lot of it's

00:33:26.390 --> 00:33:30.349
been done. So my biggest thing is Trying I mean

00:33:30.349 --> 00:33:32.710
just not trying just being authentic and doing

00:33:32.710 --> 00:33:36.289
my own thing and not really fitting in clicks

00:33:36.289 --> 00:33:41.910
or genres or I mean Yeah, hard rock metal band

00:33:41.910 --> 00:33:43.990
that wears a cowboy hat so I get invited to that

00:33:43.990 --> 00:33:46.329
shit and you had a pretty interesting trajectory

00:33:46.329 --> 00:33:50.029
It's pretty unusual unusual to go from work like

00:33:50.269 --> 00:33:54.089
The well the way you were welding into open mics

00:33:54.089 --> 00:33:58.430
into the big tours Yeah, I mean it kind of started

00:33:58.430 --> 00:34:00.670
from nothing man, you know, I mean it's literally

00:34:00.670 --> 00:34:04.730
nothing and Made a made a career out of it. What

00:34:04.730 --> 00:34:07.829
what'd you grow up into? Yeah, that always interests

00:34:07.829 --> 00:34:11.469
me Um, yeah, I never really did sports. I mean

00:34:11.469 --> 00:34:17.769
I got wrestled until high school swam I got really

00:34:17.769 --> 00:34:20.760
into rock climbing And then through my friend,

00:34:21.260 --> 00:34:22.860
I was telling you about it, I got into Whitewater

00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:25.599
and I was just obsessed. Obsessed with that.

00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:28.900
Did that turn you into like a... Like what were

00:34:28.900 --> 00:34:30.800
you listening to? Were you into jam bands while

00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:33.300
Whitewater? Man, I wasn't into music. I mean,

00:34:33.539 --> 00:34:35.739
bluegrass, just stuff would be in the background.

00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:40.099
I mean, I always, you know, and even now driving,

00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:42.079
I don't listen to anything. I usually write lyrics

00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.360
when I drive. Is that like an active choice?

00:34:46.449 --> 00:34:49.449
Not really, but yeah, I'll I'll raw dog a nine

00:34:49.449 --> 00:34:55.469
-hour drive Not like a podcast even Wow, that's

00:34:55.469 --> 00:34:57.710
some serious Zen man. Have you ever gone to a

00:34:57.710 --> 00:35:02.590
therapist? Nine hours in the car with yourself

00:35:02.590 --> 00:35:05.090
and no music you don't need to go I can't even

00:35:05.090 --> 00:35:08.289
go to sleep by myself You think yeah, you think

00:35:08.289 --> 00:35:11.510
about all kinds of stuff, you know Yeah, that's

00:35:11.510 --> 00:35:14.849
that's the fear man Sometimes sometimes you have

00:35:14.849 --> 00:35:18.039
exactly The demons, my demons aren't a shallow

00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:20.579
grave, that's for sure. Like, I can't even go

00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:23.000
to sleep without listening to how fucking Bonnie

00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.500
and Clyde was made or some shit like that. Like,

00:35:26.460 --> 00:35:30.199
I need the, otherwise it's not gonna work. Not

00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:32.659
me. You know? Everything I have at my house is

00:35:32.659 --> 00:35:35.639
like facilitating whatever project I'm working

00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.960
on. Like, this is good thinking music for this

00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:41.159
particular writing project. This is good. Listing

00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:44.480
music while I edit this is good to like listen

00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:48.800
back to a TTS reader. Yeah What I mean, it was

00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:51.519
pretty simple, but I mean like I'm really in

00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:54.059
the carpentry I bought a house about three years

00:35:54.059 --> 00:35:57.380
ago and building all around it on the property.

00:35:57.539 --> 00:35:59.460
That's awesome building a tiny home right now

00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:01.300
So I'll listen to music when I do that. Yeah,

00:36:01.300 --> 00:36:03.900
just background a friend of mine He's got a 14

00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:06.420
-hour playlist that he added me to and it's called

00:36:06.420 --> 00:36:12.070
tough guy Like stone temple pilots, you know

00:36:12.070 --> 00:36:14.650
a lot of skinner. Yeah, some some Crete, you

00:36:14.650 --> 00:36:17.969
know, just like But rock and it's it's perfect,

00:36:17.969 --> 00:36:20.889
you know Sabbath that kind of stuff. So it's

00:36:20.889 --> 00:36:23.329
great for that kind of and you said you were

00:36:23.329 --> 00:36:28.050
down in Austin, right? Yeah, we'll say that okay

00:36:28.050 --> 00:36:30.630
Somewhere in the general vicinity we can put

00:36:30.630 --> 00:36:35.429
my address down here anyone Mean I've had some

00:36:35.429 --> 00:36:38.050
weird shit happen. I'm you know, oh really like

00:36:38.050 --> 00:36:43.329
what? Oh God, I mean if you feel like yeah like

00:36:43.329 --> 00:36:49.170
Well, this is a weird one so and I was in God,

00:36:49.369 --> 00:36:52.010
what is it? Not Pierre somewhere South Dakota

00:36:52.010 --> 00:36:55.369
and I was with Silverado and we play the show

00:36:55.369 --> 00:36:58.090
I never leave backstage. We were all just hanging

00:36:58.090 --> 00:37:02.670
out do the show Mean maybe almost a year later.

00:37:02.670 --> 00:37:07.289
I get a Facebook message from this gal If I remember

00:37:07.289 --> 00:37:09.849
correctly, and she's like hey such -and -such

00:37:09.849 --> 00:37:12.469
you know I think it's so beautiful the relationship

00:37:12.469 --> 00:37:15.690
you guys have and I can't wait to meet you guys

00:37:15.690 --> 00:37:18.110
meet you in person when you come up she says

00:37:18.110 --> 00:37:24.329
you're coming up and I Would love to you know

00:37:24.329 --> 00:37:27.800
roll out the red carpet for you basically That's

00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.840
a short I mean it was long and I text my manager

00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.059
and I send him a screenshot like what the fuck

00:37:33.059 --> 00:37:36.739
is this And he's like, let me respond to her

00:37:36.739 --> 00:37:38.699
and he's like, yeah, this is Rob's management.

00:37:38.860 --> 00:37:42.780
He doesn't have a girlfriend in it in South Dakota

00:37:42.780 --> 00:37:48.599
or at all and We would like to know what The

00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:50.460
username is if she's getting catfish, whatever

00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:52.840
maybe he was plied about it and she responds

00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:57.599
actually. Oh my god Okay, and gives us long story

00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:59.980
about how I send her pictures and flowers and

00:37:59.980 --> 00:38:04.139
merchandise and Like she's gonna leave her husband

00:38:04.139 --> 00:38:06.519
and move to Texas and I'm like, alright, so there's

00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:08.260
a dude involved So I started getting a little

00:38:08.260 --> 00:38:12.480
you know aware. I Mean, there's a lot more like

00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:16.480
some weird shit Like there was some sexual shit

00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:18.699
that she mentioned that she had mentioned so

00:38:18.699 --> 00:38:21.039
I've come I figure it out I'm like, okay, so

00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:25.840
she's Screenshotting my stories To make them

00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.599
look like selfies, right? So when I post or I'm

00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:30.699
like, hey, we're playing a ball bought boom screenshot

00:38:30.699 --> 00:38:35.719
I look up find the name and I had mailed her

00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:38.039
Merchandise so that's how she got the merchandise.

00:38:38.059 --> 00:38:40.139
I mean she ordered like three separate orders

00:38:40.139 --> 00:38:44.800
of a bunch of stuff Right, so then I kind of

00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:46.340
like narrowed it and narrowed it down and figured

00:38:46.340 --> 00:38:48.960
it out And so like I'm starting to there's a

00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.619
husband involved. I'm like, I mean if someone

00:38:50.619 --> 00:38:54.219
comes in my door, right, you know, so whatever

00:38:55.139 --> 00:38:57.940
But I used to put my address on it because I'm

00:38:57.940 --> 00:38:59.920
like dude. I know I'm nobody no one gives a shit

00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:02.199
You know I'm still feel that way, but it's like

00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:05.900
oh Okay, maybe it does matter if she has she

00:39:05.900 --> 00:39:10.260
has my right so I'll use I use my my manager's

00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:14.420
right office now But that's where all that was

00:39:14.420 --> 00:39:18.159
was she in from was she like psychotic I don't

00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:20.739
even remember seeing this person. Okay. Yeah,

00:39:20.780 --> 00:39:24.150
but like Did she just like make this up in her

00:39:24.150 --> 00:39:26.789
head? Yes, and so that's what the chick basically

00:39:26.789 --> 00:39:29.530
says. She's like, I think she's unwell Like once

00:39:29.530 --> 00:39:31.349
my manager sent that she's like, oh my god. Okay,

00:39:31.349 --> 00:39:34.010
this is that's what I thought but Okay, okay.

00:39:34.230 --> 00:39:39.710
Okay. So this was the manager of the Bar basically

00:39:39.710 --> 00:39:41.929
there and she's talking about one of her employees.

00:39:42.289 --> 00:39:46.289
Okay. Got it. Yeah. Yeah That is so she was concerned

00:39:46.289 --> 00:39:49.489
for her friend. Okay, this this woman's living

00:39:49.489 --> 00:39:53.059
in a And you're concerned for your safety and

00:39:53.059 --> 00:39:54.880
I'm you know, you know, I was like, well, yeah

00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.460
if there's a yeah, what it's that movie where

00:39:57.460 --> 00:40:02.500
they she Catches her favorite author Misery misery

00:40:02.500 --> 00:40:04.840
misery. Yeah, she's like breaks his legs. That

00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:09.420
was those Yeah, it's uh, I mean there sometimes

00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:12.619
like my knees. Yeah, they barely they still they

00:40:12.619 --> 00:40:15.300
still work at 37 I come across they're gonna

00:40:15.300 --> 00:40:18.800
get worse. Yeah Instagram all the time that's

00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:20.880
clearly psychotic people who think they're in

00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.760
a relationship with someone And it's a bot or

00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:28.719
it's a fake person? The weirdest one I've seen

00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.440
recently was this lady thought she was married

00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:33.980
to Shia LaBeouf but not in this plane of existence,

00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:37.360
another plane of existence And that they're trying

00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:39.880
to be kept apart She went down to New Orleans

00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:42.699
and found him and the last post on the account

00:40:42.699 --> 00:40:46.530
is her taking a picture of a police car No, I

00:40:46.530 --> 00:40:49.250
did think I saw that. Yeah, because there's a

00:40:49.250 --> 00:40:51.769
video of him in his car window being like, you're

00:40:51.769 --> 00:40:54.789
fucking freaking everyone out. That's right.

00:40:54.969 --> 00:40:58.889
Yeah, dude. And like, fuck. And she like turned

00:40:58.889 --> 00:41:01.170
weird. She's a white lady. She turned Muslim

00:41:01.170 --> 00:41:05.650
at some point in this psychosis. And it's...

00:41:05.650 --> 00:41:09.260
I mean, I would do the same for Shia. I don't

00:41:09.260 --> 00:41:12.559
really blame her. I mean you can, you can do

00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.000
this. I just wanna snuggle, bro. Parasocial relationships

00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.739
are weird and people are already... Internet's

00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:22.519
already weird. Yeah, that's praise upon an already

00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:26.239
kind of disturbed persona. Any amount of being

00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:31.480
in some form of a public eye is odd, you know,

00:41:31.579 --> 00:41:35.000
like... Like, my brand is not me directly, right?

00:41:35.179 --> 00:41:38.079
Your brand is you directly. It's very bizarre.

00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:39.739
I know exactly what you're saying. I've had this

00:41:39.739 --> 00:41:42.699
conversation many times. Yeah, it's... And it's

00:41:42.699 --> 00:41:44.760
weird, and it's like, yeah, I post this massive

00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.440
tour. It's like, you can literally find me on

00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:50.559
this day... In this place. In this place. Like,

00:41:50.659 --> 00:41:51.880
I'll be there... I mean, I should, in theory,

00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.460
I should be there. Usually by four o 'clock at

00:41:54.460 --> 00:41:58.579
load -in. And then, you know, I mean, you're

00:41:58.579 --> 00:42:02.980
just telling everyone... your movements. 100%.

00:42:02.980 --> 00:42:07.079
And like, even when I meet people out in public

00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.699
that are like, Hey, you're that guy. I always

00:42:09.699 --> 00:42:12.199
find it off putting because I'm not that guy.

00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:14.780
Like, I don't know what you've concocted. Right?

00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:18.519
Yeah. It's like, yeah, you don't actually know

00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:23.219
the person, you know, it's just what is perceived

00:42:23.219 --> 00:42:27.320
online or if you or on stage, you know, and that's

00:42:28.240 --> 00:42:31.599
That's weird, but I'm very I'm very much so myself

00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.300
on stage and on social media, so it's a pretty

00:42:34.300 --> 00:42:44.570
good idea Like yeah, I mean I can tell Like every

00:42:44.570 --> 00:42:46.690
Saturday night, I'm fucking watching UFC fights

00:42:46.690 --> 00:42:48.909
alone. You know, I'm not at a bar doing fucking

00:42:48.909 --> 00:42:51.570
coke and like running around town and all this

00:42:51.570 --> 00:42:53.210
shit, but I post them. Yeah, me neither. Right,

00:42:53.309 --> 00:42:55.289
you know. But there's any event we do, people

00:42:55.289 --> 00:42:57.650
are just like, oh, LFDW's here to party, and

00:42:57.650 --> 00:42:59.530
we're like, we're here to leave at 830. It's

00:42:59.530 --> 00:43:02.130
like, I want to be asleep by 11, and I've got

00:43:02.130 --> 00:43:03.670
some writing to do before then, so. Yeah, and

00:43:03.670 --> 00:43:05.190
everyone's like, you going to the after party?

00:43:05.469 --> 00:43:09.329
No! Yeah. This is the after party. It's two o

00:43:09.329 --> 00:43:10.750
'clock in the afternoon, and I'm already pretty

00:43:10.750 --> 00:43:12.449
done. It's like, no, I got plans in the morning.

00:43:13.650 --> 00:43:16.449
But like no that's that's for real though, I

00:43:16.449 --> 00:43:23.320
mean I couldn't live a life where my entire Job

00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.699
consisted of me being up super late. Yeah, I

00:43:25.699 --> 00:43:27.739
don't think like and roll lifestyle would work

00:43:27.739 --> 00:43:30.719
like I love it In theory, it's great. But like

00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:33.039
I love movies I used to love it like I can't

00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:35.300
imagine being you being on stage. We're done

00:43:35.300 --> 00:43:38.119
on stage. It's 1130 I'm still a little up from

00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:41.119
that and yeah, and then I got to go to a hotel

00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:44.659
take a take a bit I imagine to wind down Totally.

00:43:44.780 --> 00:43:45.500
Go to bed at 3 in the fucking morning? I mean,

00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:47.719
that's what tequila's for. Yeah. You're fucked.

00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:51.320
It's medicinal, man. It truly is. Like, to just

00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.820
come down. But yeah. I mean, for everyone I've

00:43:54.820 --> 00:43:57.380
talked to that plays in front of, like, any type

00:43:57.380 --> 00:44:00.940
of crowd, you can't just turn it off right after.

00:44:01.699 --> 00:44:04.519
No. Yeah, what part of it, how much of it is,

00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.400
like, a job? Like, I never feel like having to...

00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.579
go stack produce every morning, but I do it.

00:44:11.099 --> 00:44:14.460
Right. But there are times where I find I'm able

00:44:14.460 --> 00:44:17.739
to enjoy myself in some sideways weird way. Like,

00:44:17.739 --> 00:44:20.579
is it a job that you just do or is it just like,

00:44:20.699 --> 00:44:25.699
well, I step on stage and I become like on? Yeah.

00:44:25.940 --> 00:44:28.199
Yeah. I mean, you can very much so turn it on

00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:31.000
and it's gotten to the point. And finally, I'm

00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:35.630
feeling like, yeah. Got I got this, you know,

00:44:35.889 --> 00:44:38.510
it's natural It feels feels good and I'm I was

00:44:38.510 --> 00:44:40.610
very much so not a person that wanted to be a

00:44:40.610 --> 00:44:44.989
spotlight now for instance if You said you can

00:44:44.989 --> 00:44:48.449
you play this character in this short film? Hell

00:44:48.449 --> 00:44:51.570
no. Yeah, you know like the guitar is a safety

00:44:51.570 --> 00:44:55.769
blanket saying Really? I just you know growing

00:44:55.769 --> 00:44:59.280
up the way I grew up. It's it was a Trying to

00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.260
get over being able to express yourself, you

00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:03.179
know instead of yeah your emotions. You're being

00:45:03.179 --> 00:45:05.760
a pussy Yeah, you know that kind of thing so

00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:08.059
it was a huge thing for self -growth for me to

00:45:08.059 --> 00:45:11.139
be able to To do that and then it just became

00:45:11.139 --> 00:45:12.920
really comfortable and you realize that you're

00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.500
you know You may help someone or affect someone's

00:45:15.500 --> 00:45:18.199
life in a positive way and that's you run with

00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:20.980
that Yeah, like if you say something that someone

00:45:20.980 --> 00:45:24.260
can relate to that's powerful And a responsibility,

00:45:24.739 --> 00:45:26.619
you know you release a song and it's not yours

00:45:26.619 --> 00:45:29.570
anymore. It's for the world to interpret it's

00:45:29.570 --> 00:45:31.789
a good way of looking at it, you know and then

00:45:31.789 --> 00:45:33.610
you know, there's quite a few occasions where

00:45:33.610 --> 00:45:37.190
I've had some pretty lengthy and emotional messages

00:45:37.190 --> 00:45:42.030
or conversations with somebody I'm like I Sing

00:45:42.030 --> 00:45:45.570
about dumb shit, but you know You can help someone

00:45:45.570 --> 00:45:48.250
that's that's what it's all about Yeah, and hopefully

00:45:48.250 --> 00:45:50.989
they don't and hope decide that they're in a

00:45:50.989 --> 00:45:53.389
relationship. Yeah Yeah, because I just because

00:45:53.389 --> 00:45:56.389
I talked to you for 60 seconds does not mean

00:45:56.389 --> 00:45:58.809
that We're going to get married. We had a good

00:45:58.809 --> 00:46:02.369
connection. I'm going to stop you. It's just

00:46:02.369 --> 00:46:04.849
dudes that come to our shows. I'm picking up

00:46:04.849 --> 00:46:07.449
a vibe from this man. I'm going to stop posting

00:46:07.449 --> 00:46:12.670
stuff. He shook my hand like a millisecond longer

00:46:12.670 --> 00:46:20.309
and winked. We have a whole other side of our

00:46:20.309 --> 00:46:25.590
podcast where we get into... Other various topics

00:46:25.590 --> 00:46:28.289
such as Charles Manson son of Sam are there any

00:46:28.289 --> 00:46:30.210
rabbit holes? You got any rabbit holes you like

00:46:30.210 --> 00:46:35.030
you like? Like conspiracy yeah, not publicly

00:46:35.030 --> 00:46:39.090
Not public that's that's such a good answer.

00:46:39.289 --> 00:46:42.010
Yeah, I mean there's yeah, I'm all about it.

00:46:42.010 --> 00:46:46.630
I've got a few of my own Come on some I hope

00:46:46.630 --> 00:46:52.269
I'm wrong like All right This one so I live on

00:46:52.269 --> 00:46:56.789
a lake right mm -hmm and we were at, I think

00:46:56.789 --> 00:47:00.750
under 50 % for as long as I lived here, and I

00:47:00.750 --> 00:47:04.030
think the past 10 years, the lake's low. So I

00:47:04.030 --> 00:47:07.070
live on the south side of the dam where if it

00:47:07.070 --> 00:47:12.250
hits the confluences into the lake, obviously

00:47:12.250 --> 00:47:14.309
it goes in there, but the dam was created so

00:47:14.309 --> 00:47:18.900
down here we don't get flooded. So we've had

00:47:18.900 --> 00:47:20.780
a bunch of Rams for you heard about the devastating

00:47:20.780 --> 00:47:23.380
stuff in Kerrville and all that last year And

00:47:23.380 --> 00:47:25.420
it bumped the water table up and then we had

00:47:25.420 --> 00:47:27.860
a bunch of rain this year and the lake is almost

00:47:27.860 --> 00:47:32.059
at a hundred percent overnight And they're clearing

00:47:32.059 --> 00:47:38.280
out all this land On the way to Austin With you

00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.460
know when they're doing a development, right?

00:47:40.579 --> 00:47:42.440
They're running they're running the plumbing.

00:47:42.460 --> 00:47:45.199
They're doing all this. I mean, it's completely

00:47:47.289 --> 00:47:49.809
Demolished right huge huge huge the lakes up.

00:47:49.809 --> 00:47:52.650
How did that happen overnight? Now they're clearing

00:47:52.650 --> 00:47:54.670
all this land. It's like are you building a data

00:47:54.670 --> 00:47:56.909
center by my house? Yeah, that's what it sounds

00:47:56.909 --> 00:48:00.889
like and then my buddy's like My buddy it's staying

00:48:00.889 --> 00:48:02.329
with me. He's like dude. I think that's gonna

00:48:02.329 --> 00:48:04.050
be a rock quarry. I'm like, I hope you're right

00:48:04.050 --> 00:48:08.309
Yeah, I mean I have my conspiracy No, oh the

00:48:08.309 --> 00:48:10.369
lakes up. I mean they sell the water off the

00:48:10.369 --> 00:48:13.889
lake to developers and right right all that stuff.

00:48:13.889 --> 00:48:16.159
Yeah Are there a lot of data centers down in

00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:18.320
Texas right now? Ohio's fucking overrun with

00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:24.400
them. I don't know. I don't know. I kind of stay

00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.820
in my little bubble. I should be more aware of

00:48:27.820 --> 00:48:30.719
that. But if it's by my house, that's pretty

00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:33.699
devastating. So yeah, I mean, I'm hoping it's

00:48:33.699 --> 00:48:36.239
the rock quarry. I hope it is too, man. Yeah.

00:48:36.500 --> 00:48:40.000
Have you seen those videos? There's a town in

00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:44.900
like Massachusetts right now where It's a normal

00:48:44.900 --> 00:48:50.199
neighborhood and then a big monolithic three

00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:54.179
block building. Yeah. That constantly omits a

00:48:54.179 --> 00:48:57.820
fucking sound mmm, you know and then people in

00:48:57.820 --> 00:48:59.780
the comments are all like well That's actually

00:48:59.780 --> 00:49:02.199
even quieter than a car driving by and it's like

00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:04.980
yeah, but it's 24 fucking 7 and it's humming

00:49:04.980 --> 00:49:07.539
Yeah bad for you like yeah, and it's bad for

00:49:07.539 --> 00:49:09.840
you to take your radiation thing. Just walk up

00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:13.159
to it You know that can't be good and I mean

00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:16.300
can't be good the also sounds affect your nervous

00:49:16.300 --> 00:49:19.349
system if I like that that type of vibration

00:49:19.349 --> 00:49:22.110
is like already known to be pretty bad for you

00:49:22.110 --> 00:49:26.789
yeah there's a um there's a theory i don't know

00:49:26.789 --> 00:49:30.150
this is like a music related conspiracy theory

00:49:30.150 --> 00:49:33.289
uh and i think it's maybe true i don't know seems

00:49:33.289 --> 00:49:37.130
reasonable uh but neil young is a big proponent

00:49:37.130 --> 00:49:41.150
of this which is basically once music recorded

00:49:41.150 --> 00:49:44.449
music transitioned from being recorded to taped

00:49:44.449 --> 00:49:48.019
being recorded digital Mm -hmm, it's like at

00:49:48.019 --> 00:49:50.139
a different hurts and it interacts with your

00:49:50.139 --> 00:49:52.579
brain differently and it is less good for you.

00:49:52.579 --> 00:49:56.599
Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure Thank God vinyls coming

00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:59.239
back, you know, but his argument is that doesn't

00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.820
matter that it's vinyl It matters how it's recorded

00:50:01.820 --> 00:50:04.639
if you're recording. I see a tape. It's one way

00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:06.619
and if you're recording it to digital It's another

00:50:06.619 --> 00:50:10.360
way, you know frequency machine. Yeah, and if

00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.150
you go back before that There's a whole thing

00:50:13.150 --> 00:50:15.090
about, like, the government changed it from,

00:50:15.090 --> 00:50:20.550
you know, 438 Hz to 400 Hz. That's why they melted

00:50:20.550 --> 00:50:24.449
all the bells after World War II. Like the church

00:50:24.449 --> 00:50:26.130
bells and shit? Yeah, because the vibrations

00:50:26.130 --> 00:50:27.849
were good for you. Like, that's why they were

00:50:27.849 --> 00:50:31.269
at churches. It's the theory. It's just the theory,

00:50:31.269 --> 00:50:32.610
but it definitely happened. Oh, we're diving

00:50:32.610 --> 00:50:35.690
into that shit. It has relevance in physics.

00:50:36.050 --> 00:50:38.590
I mean, you know. Well, I don't know if this

00:50:38.590 --> 00:50:42.019
is related, but when you master something, Like

00:50:42.019 --> 00:50:45.739
you master your song or whatever, and you give

00:50:45.739 --> 00:50:48.679
it to Spotify. They dub it down to a certain

00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:51.139
level. It's not as hot. It doesn't play as hot.

00:50:51.340 --> 00:50:53.940
So I mean, I wonder if that's something. It's

00:50:53.940 --> 00:50:55.780
like, why'd you step all over my shit? It sounded

00:50:55.780 --> 00:50:58.719
cool before. I wanted to punch you in the ear.

00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:02.340
If you listen to Neil Young again, because he

00:51:02.340 --> 00:51:05.880
was trying to sell a thing called the Pono, which

00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.969
is like an iPod, but only Really high quality

00:51:09.969 --> 00:51:12.650
audio recordings, but you can only play high

00:51:12.650 --> 00:51:14.670
quality audio recordings if they're recorded

00:51:14.670 --> 00:51:17.050
for that So it's not gonna work. It's too many

00:51:17.050 --> 00:51:21.369
fucking steps But like in his weird brain, I

00:51:21.369 --> 00:51:24.829
don't know a lot of his theories It's fucking

00:51:24.829 --> 00:51:27.510
fascinating, but his whole thing is like like

00:51:27.510 --> 00:51:29.650
the reason he got off Spotify Everyone was like

00:51:29.650 --> 00:51:32.449
it's political. It wasn't political. It was because

00:51:32.449 --> 00:51:35.070
he hated the way they made his shit sound. Yeah

00:51:35.150 --> 00:51:38.289
I agree with him on that. Just step all over

00:51:38.289 --> 00:51:40.630
it. He was like, oh, that's not what I did. You're

00:51:40.630 --> 00:51:42.909
not hearing the songs I made. You're hearing

00:51:42.909 --> 00:51:44.989
like... Well, don't even get me started on Spotify.

00:51:45.949 --> 00:51:48.969
It's a degraded copy. You know, it's like if

00:51:48.969 --> 00:51:52.570
you play the original tape 20 times, it's gonna

00:51:52.570 --> 00:51:55.030
be worse than the first one. You gotta get it

00:51:55.030 --> 00:51:58.690
to something else. Totally. CD or vinyl, I mean...

00:51:58.690 --> 00:52:02.449
I've never listened to one of my records on vinyl.

00:52:02.650 --> 00:52:05.909
I sell them. You should. I've never. Well, I

00:52:05.909 --> 00:52:09.389
don't even own a record player I don't know it's

00:52:09.389 --> 00:52:14.050
it's definitely It's interesting to me to like

00:52:14.050 --> 00:52:17.010
listen to because I have like the original sergeant

00:52:17.010 --> 00:52:20.070
peppers pressing, right? Yeah, and if you have

00:52:20.070 --> 00:52:24.480
a good sound system with that record It's a different

00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:27.519
experience than listening to that record on Spotify.

00:52:27.699 --> 00:52:29.840
It's actually like eating mescaline. Yeah, which

00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:32.239
is still great. The record on Spotify. I'm very

00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:35.260
familiar with that as well. That's a good analogy

00:52:35.260 --> 00:52:39.500
then. So I get what you're saying. You know,

00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:41.539
I mean like the Beatles weren't recording with

00:52:41.539 --> 00:52:45.360
the concept of digital existing. You know? How

00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:48.380
could you? It didn't make any sense, but there

00:52:48.380 --> 00:52:51.199
is that old clip of Jim Morrison basically outlining

00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:53.820
what he thought was gonna... Happen in terms

00:52:53.820 --> 00:52:57.360
of music And it's exactly what did happen. It's

00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:01.119
fucking fascinating But everything 26 27 wise

00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:04.219
beyond their years, you know, yeah, it's you

00:53:04.219 --> 00:53:06.340
think about that dude It's fucking sometimes

00:53:06.340 --> 00:53:08.780
I think about that on the military intelligence

00:53:08.780 --> 00:53:12.800
family Yeah, but like I'm 30 and I think about

00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:15.599
Janis Joplin or Hendrix or any of them I'm like,

00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:18.840
they're three years younger than me. Yeah Dude,

00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:21.000
I was a complete idiot. Just a bunch of kids

00:53:21.420 --> 00:53:24.559
Yeah. I mean, I still am, but I'm kind of trying

00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:27.639
to figure it out. It slows down a little. Yeah.

00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.340
I had someone ask me recently, they were like,

00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.679
do you think we'd still talk about them if they

00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:35.760
didn't die at 27? And I was like, yeah. Because

00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:39.940
it was Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain.

00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:43.119
They already did all the stuff. Yeah. I mean,

00:53:43.420 --> 00:53:45.860
that level of success so young is incredible

00:53:45.860 --> 00:53:48.019
as well. It's a different world back then. Well,

00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:52.679
maybe that's what killed them. Yeah, yeah. I

00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:55.000
mean, it is a different world. Yes, it was the

00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:58.920
government, yeah. Well, you know, it is... Don't

00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:01.599
get me started. Yeah, I know. I saw you. I saw

00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:05.579
your wheels turning over there. I mean... We'll

00:54:05.579 --> 00:54:08.119
save that for other episodes. Yeah, we'll do

00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:11.239
a part two someday. But, I mean, it is a different

00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:15.199
world in how you get your stuff noticed because

00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:19.119
back then it's easier and harder. You know, like,

00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:22.320
there's less people constantly. It's near impossible

00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.559
to find new people on Spotify. Because it just

00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:26.059
recommends the same shit you always listen to.

00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:28.699
It used to be more democratized, but I think

00:54:28.699 --> 00:54:30.940
they've kind of put the kibosh on that, and it's

00:54:30.940 --> 00:54:34.780
more kind of... They feed you what you're supposed

00:54:34.780 --> 00:54:36.739
to listen to now. Well, that's why we tour so

00:54:36.739 --> 00:54:41.000
much. It's like... It's a... The digital distribution

00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:45.199
is a blessing and a curse. And... You gotta...

00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:48.090
Get out there. I mean, even if you were to just

00:54:48.090 --> 00:54:51.309
play around Austin, it's probably pretty rare

00:54:51.309 --> 00:54:53.610
that you could build a local following for sure,

00:54:54.050 --> 00:54:58.389
but to get out there is, I mean, essentially

00:54:58.389 --> 00:55:00.849
slapping your flyer on a damn telephone pole.

00:55:01.130 --> 00:55:05.750
You take it to their door. Do you find people

00:55:05.750 --> 00:55:09.010
that don't know you coming to your shows? Yeah,

00:55:09.469 --> 00:55:13.449
definitely. Like when you're headlining? Um,

00:55:13.570 --> 00:55:15.110
yeah, well if it's a friend or something like

00:55:15.110 --> 00:55:17.010
hey, you got to check this guy out Yeah, I'm

00:55:17.010 --> 00:55:20.010
a huge fan and then they'll bring friends and

00:55:20.010 --> 00:55:22.869
I love that because right and I feel like it

00:55:22.869 --> 00:55:24.829
used to be more people would just be like oh

00:55:24.829 --> 00:55:26.829
There's a thing at this place. I'll go I got

00:55:26.829 --> 00:55:28.670
nothing going on I'm going because it's a show,

00:55:28.789 --> 00:55:30.690
you know some places have built -in crowds for

00:55:30.690 --> 00:55:33.369
sure Yeah, you like you like those you want that

00:55:33.369 --> 00:55:35.929
yeah, especially a market. You may not go through

00:55:35.929 --> 00:55:39.750
very much. Yeah, you know So this is for my own

00:55:39.750 --> 00:55:41.949
personal knowledge. Have you played sagebrush?

00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:45.320
Yeah, a lot. Yeah, I like that spot. You like

00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:49.400
how's how's their turnout? It's hit or miss.

00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:51.420
That's really hit or miss. I mean, I think there's

00:55:51.420 --> 00:55:55.760
so much shit going on In LA is kind of the same

00:55:55.760 --> 00:56:02.360
way We do really well in California, but I think

00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:04.539
there's so much stuff going on in Austin and

00:56:04.539 --> 00:56:06.440
it depends on the night and there could be three

00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.599
four things going on and But people are really

00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:12.920
good about like, okay Well, there's another place

00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:16.260
the white horse and they stagger the sets an

00:56:16.260 --> 00:56:20.380
hour, right? So I think Maybe maybe not so like

00:56:20.380 --> 00:56:22.760
the last band at white horse plays at midnight

00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:25.980
But the last band at sagebrush plays at 11 So

00:56:25.980 --> 00:56:27.860
sometimes they'll stagger it so where you can

00:56:27.860 --> 00:56:29.719
if you pick and choose there's three artists

00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:34.980
on each night right place so it's strategic and

00:56:34.980 --> 00:56:37.760
their their cordial as far as I know I imagine

00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.210
about working together through that but Yeah,

00:56:40.230 --> 00:56:41.670
there's just a bunch of stuff, and I've played

00:56:41.670 --> 00:56:43.429
there when there's a bunch of people there, and

00:56:43.429 --> 00:56:45.869
I've played there where there's not that many

00:56:45.869 --> 00:56:48.429
people. It is kind of off the beaten path. You

00:56:48.429 --> 00:56:53.289
gotta be going there. Yeah, we have a thing that's

00:56:53.289 --> 00:56:56.349
gonna be going on there that hasn't been announced

00:56:56.349 --> 00:57:00.849
yet. Can you tell me the date? It's Halloween.

00:57:02.050 --> 00:57:04.730
I'll be here. It's Saturday night Halloween.

00:57:06.650 --> 00:57:10.159
Cool. I mean, that should be a great night. Yeah,

00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:15.739
once I saw - Do you need a band? Maybe. For real.

00:57:15.940 --> 00:57:18.559
It depends on some - I know a lot of people.

00:57:19.900 --> 00:57:25.940
We have an array of artists for the night. We

00:57:25.940 --> 00:57:28.280
cut one because they wanted entirely too much

00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:31.340
money. Yeah, I get that. And then we realized

00:57:31.340 --> 00:57:35.269
they were kind of a glorified cover band. But

00:57:35.269 --> 00:57:37.769
you'll have that yeah once you run through all

00:57:37.769 --> 00:57:39.150
the songs like you didn't actually write any

00:57:39.150 --> 00:57:41.550
of those How'd you trick everyone into this?

00:57:44.309 --> 00:57:50.469
John John Cena But yeah, we're it's it's gonna

00:57:50.469 --> 00:57:56.989
be fully announced soon But it's Once I saw it

00:57:56.989 --> 00:57:58.949
was Halloween on a Saturday night. I was like

00:57:58.949 --> 00:58:02.900
well that day Yeah, that's the day like If I'm

00:58:02.900 --> 00:58:05.219
in town, I'll come up there. I think it'll be,

00:58:05.219 --> 00:58:07.460
it'll be cool. We're going to have a bunch of

00:58:07.460 --> 00:58:10.679
stuff. There's going to be bikes and vendors

00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:14.199
and people playing. And I think, I think it's

00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:18.420
a good little, little bill we got going on. But

00:58:18.420 --> 00:58:22.260
we'll see. We got to work out some more of the

00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:26.980
details, but it's almost announceable. And this

00:58:26.980 --> 00:58:28.659
is the most I've ever talked about it. So look

00:58:28.659 --> 00:58:32.059
at that. Perfect. I just pried it out of you.

00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:37.460
Yeah, good work, Rob. Breaking news. What do

00:58:37.460 --> 00:58:39.179
you have coming up that you want people to know

00:58:39.179 --> 00:58:43.219
about? Yeah, Friday I'm releasing a new song

00:58:43.219 --> 00:58:45.380
called Heathen. Which is the 28th. Tomorrow.

00:58:46.380 --> 00:58:51.059
So I've been, it's been a busy week trying to

00:58:51.059 --> 00:58:53.139
put stuff together for that and film and stuff.

00:58:55.760 --> 00:59:00.099
That jazz but precursor to an album Yep. Okay.

00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:02.199
Yep. So I don't know if you heard the song stray

00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:05.880
dog. I released her earlier. I'm just I'm doing

00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:09.599
singles leading up to it It's just the way the

00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:12.599
kind of industry is going in hopes, you know

00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.920
Yeah, it's more effective. I don't know but yeah

00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:19.300
got that coming out flying to California on the

00:59:19.300 --> 00:59:22.519
third playing a festival out there a few club

00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:26.760
shows on the weekend of Labor Day and then We're

00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:29.079
touring with Whitey Morgan for two and a half

00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:32.239
weeks in September Okay, is that so that'll be?

00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:35.599
No, but ends in Texas, which is very convenient.

00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:38.619
Yeah, that's what I thought I thought yeah so

00:59:38.619 --> 00:59:43.079
it starts in Iowa and then we go up to the Northeast

00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:47.099
Southeast and make our way back so ending here

00:59:47.099 --> 00:59:50.599
is Rarity, that's pretty cool. And people can

00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:53.559
find all of that on social media. I imagine that

00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:58.059
on social media. Yeah, and we got a Southeastern

00:59:58.059 --> 01:00:01.280
tour, I think I Think we're coming close to you

01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:04.300
guys. We'll be in Columbus. We're doing the Roomba

01:00:04.300 --> 01:00:08.480
Everyone goes to Columbus in Indianapolis. Hey,

01:00:08.539 --> 01:00:10.619
man, I helped your local economy dude. I bought

01:00:10.619 --> 01:00:12.969
a fucking Explorer guitar when I was just going

01:00:12.969 --> 01:00:16.309
in for strings. And Newport, Kentucky is a weird

01:00:16.309 --> 01:00:18.530
place to play, even though it's a great venue.

01:00:19.849 --> 01:00:22.690
I mean, we need to fill a date. I wonder if they're

01:00:22.690 --> 01:00:24.489
available. It's a great room. I bet they are.

01:00:24.489 --> 01:00:26.809
It's pretty easy. If they're not available, I

01:00:26.809 --> 01:00:29.050
mean, you've worked with them before. If you've

01:00:29.050 --> 01:00:31.329
got an open day, it's pretty easy to get it because

01:00:31.329 --> 01:00:33.789
it's not the corporation. Yeah, Marella's awesome

01:00:33.789 --> 01:00:36.590
to deal with. It's awesome. Yeah, I love that

01:00:36.590 --> 01:00:38.389
spot. It's always better when you're dealing

01:00:38.389 --> 01:00:41.510
with individual people. Right. You don't gotta

01:00:41.510 --> 01:00:44.250
jump through fucking hoops. Yeah, that's that's

01:00:44.250 --> 01:00:46.670
pretty much it though. And then we go back to

01:00:46.670 --> 01:00:52.550
Spain in November. And yeah, that's fun. Yeah,

01:00:52.610 --> 01:00:55.909
it's Spain's blast. It's been really, really

01:00:55.909 --> 01:01:02.269
cool to watch it grow. We were there and actually

01:01:02.269 --> 01:01:06.349
we were there July 4th. It's kind of funny. Like,

01:01:07.010 --> 01:01:10.760
because with Europe, I mean, that's a Entirely

01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:15.099
different market that seems to really take to

01:01:15.099 --> 01:01:18.139
American music Western music. Yeah, I mean it's

01:01:18.139 --> 01:01:21.000
it's incredible. I'm Southern rock sound too.

01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.940
Yeah, I was blown away and we've done a festival

01:01:23.940 --> 01:01:25.699
We've done the festival two years in a row and

01:01:25.699 --> 01:01:27.780
then we did a club date last time and it was

01:01:27.780 --> 01:01:31.119
packed just from Oh a band from Texas, right?

01:01:31.780 --> 01:01:37.079
you know and So with that we booked like a 10

01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:41.639
-day Tour over there and we're going all over

01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:45.039
Spain nice I'm very excited. Yeah, it'll be really

01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:47.199
fun. So we've kind of got some momentum over

01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:50.559
there, which is so random and bizarre, but Very

01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.679
very thankful and cool. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so

01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:55.760
it's I got a touch of almost Spanish because

01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:58.289
the first year it was like cute Oh yeah, you're

01:01:58.289 --> 01:01:59.489
speaking, you know, Mexican Spanish. I was gonna

01:01:59.489 --> 01:02:02.429
ask if you spoke Spanish. No, and then this year

01:02:02.429 --> 01:02:04.710
they're like, oh, same people, like, you clearly

01:02:04.710 --> 01:02:07.610
didn't try to learn anymore. Try, Rob. You didn't

01:02:07.610 --> 01:02:10.389
even try, so it's not cute or funny anymore.

01:02:10.630 --> 01:02:14.849
Now you're just a dumb redneck, still. Yeah,

01:02:14.849 --> 01:02:16.630
you're gonna lose all that momentum if you're

01:02:16.630 --> 01:02:21.969
not fluent. A buddy of mine, he gave me this

01:02:21.969 --> 01:02:25.550
playlist. Learn Spanish in your car, so I'm gonna...

01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:27.780
So I will be listening to something. You've got

01:02:27.780 --> 01:02:30.019
the time. Yeah, I got the time. Yeah, we got

01:02:30.019 --> 01:02:32.860
some long drives ahead I'm gonna just bands gonna

01:02:32.860 --> 01:02:36.360
be like shut up They got to know it too. Yeah.

01:02:36.380 --> 01:02:38.880
Yeah, but yeah, thank you for doing this man.

01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:41.900
I appreciate yeah, man Appreciate y 'all look

01:02:41.900 --> 01:02:44.300
forward to seeing you. Hell. Yeah, man. Hope

01:02:44.300 --> 01:02:46.380
to see you guys soon Let me know about Halloween.

01:02:46.739 --> 01:02:49.039
Absolutely. Oh, yeah. All right, y 'all be in

01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:51.599
touch. Hang on a sec. Peace. Hang on one second