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Alright, we're back. We're back. We gotta, you

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know what, I'm gonna drop it. I'm gonna drop

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the news. I think you should. We are moving our

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store location. To the classy side of Mainstrust.

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Three blocks away. It's still in Covington, Kentucky.

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But if you've ever been to this store, you're

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aware of the fact that this block fucking blows.

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This block has character. This block has crack

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heads and nothing else. So we are moving to Main

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Street in Covington and this will be open there

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around the beginning of September. Date is still

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to be decided. We'll be having an opening event

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at some point. It is a very busy street. It's

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well, it's the nice side because it's the same

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street I live on. It's just the other end. It's

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as far away as you can get. But it's a very nice,

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nice little area. There's a bunch of blocks of

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stuff, restaurants, bars, other stores. And can

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you get anywhere near the microphone? I am now.

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And, you know, I'm very excited about that. Yeah,

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me too. That'll be beginning of September. And

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then we're very close to announcing another thing

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in October. But I won't yet. Will say it'll be

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in Austin, Texas though. Yeah, so if you're in

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the round of Austin, Texas You probably already

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know on Halloween night You don't But you know

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keep that date open we're doing something Okay

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What else do we have? Anything anything fun?

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Oh, here's a recommendation because we do these

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periodically. I've been watching the TV show

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that deuce It is by the same people who did The

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Wire, David Simon and George Pelicanos. Is that

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good? It's very good. It is about New York City

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and pornography and prostitution. Oh, I think

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I remember seeing some of that. Talk a little

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fucking louder. I think I remember seeing something

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about that. There we go, that's the radio voice.

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It's good. Maggie Gyllenhaal's in it. She's very

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good. James Franco's in it. He is not as good,

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but he does play two characters, so you do get

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a lot of him. He's creepy. Yeah. But everyone

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else in it's very good. I recommend that show.

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If you are not averse to seeing a lot, and I

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mean a lot of fucking, think of the topic. And

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it's a lot of that and they don't imply it. No,

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no, they're like Like they're hanging. This is

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how it goes in they don't go there. I mean, I

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don't know if you're watching They hang a lot

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of dong. Yeah It's not equal but it's close.

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Okay James Franco has not I found it very interesting

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that none of the lead men have had to hang dong

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But every single lead actress has had to you

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know, yeah not hang dong, but generally the equivalent

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The tracks, actually. It is a very good show,

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though. I wasn't there. But New York City, because

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it jumps time. New York City in 1971, 1976. I

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haven't seen the third season yet, but it's sometime

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in the 80s. That sounds pretty cool, actually.

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It looks great. I was going to say visually.

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I bet that's fantastic. However they shot it,

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they did a very, very good job of recreating.

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what I think it looked like based on movies.

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I was going to say also, that's kind of your

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shit, so you're pleased with it. I'm sure they

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did a good job. Apparently in the 80s, in the

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third season, they go to LA, so that's interesting

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to me as well. Speaking of LA and New York, see

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that segue? We talked to Nick Rutherford. Nick

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Rutherford is a comedian, actor, writer, et cetera.

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Such things as... Well, yeah, I'm about to say.

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He has written on Rick and Morty on Saturday

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Night Live. He came up in a comedy troupe with

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Beck Bennett and Kyle Mooney, also Saturday Night

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Live. He has done Crabopolis, which has Matt

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Barry in it. And Matt Barry is fantastic. Great

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voice on that guy. Just good for an animated

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show. He also works on the Eric Andre show. Tell

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that guy. And I'm forgetting. Oh, God. That name

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just totally slipped. Dreamcorp LLC. Thank you.

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Dreamcorp LLC. We've been saying a lot of shows

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and talking about a lot of shows, because we

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just recorded this. And you know how that goes.

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Brain crosses up. I enjoyed this conversation.

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We're working on moving more into the entertainment

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industry outside of music. I mean, I like talking

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to musicians, but I want to talk to. More comedians

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actors writers, etc. I'm also always fascinated

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with Saturday Night Live so anyone that has worked

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there That's gonna be interesting to me It didn't

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he came up in comedy Basically starting at the

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time that the Lonely Island hit mm -hmm, so it

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was a new kind of phase of How comedy could be

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seen and done with you know internet websites

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like Funny or Die and YouTube yeah? Well, he

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got his start way before that, but that's when

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he started making comedy. Oh, he had just graduated.

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Yeah, true. He did. He was in The Tracy Ullman

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Show when he was five years old. And his voice

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is in Kindergarten Cop. That's right. But in

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comedy, they all came about right around the

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time of The Lonely Island. And then, you know,

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the career. The careers in show business are

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never straight -line. It's always interesting

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to hear about how one thing leads to another

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thing and He's got a cool story. Yeah, so I enjoyed

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this episode and it is That's the word I'm looking

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for Shit normally I have an idea We just the

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problem of recording an intro instantly after

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the podcast is I just burned all my talking No,

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so All I'll say is it's a good episode. It's

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with Nick Rutherford. Him and Dan Harmon are

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also working on a new show. And we vaguely talk

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about that at the end. So enjoy. Enjoy. You were

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on the Tracy Ullman show as a child. I was, yeah.

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I didn't know about that. until after this was

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booked, because I wasn't alive then. I want to

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talk about that first. Yeah, I did too, but after

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it was on. What was up with that? What was it

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like working on that show, being that young?

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I mean, I must have been like five or six or

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something on that. I mean, you're just treated

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so well. I was like a child actor, and you're

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really... Oh, I had to push our record today

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because of therapy. So maybe you're not treated

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that great. Because today he was like, maybe

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you have some childhood trauma we need to uncover.

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But at the time, you know, you're just like,

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you go to set, you can only work three hours

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a day or then you could. And there's a set teacher

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who just like brings clay and toys to play with.

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And everybody's nice to you because you're just

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like a little precocious kid. It was great. I

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mean you just they would just tell me where to

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walk and what to say and there was a live studio

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audience I remember there was this one I don't

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know if he was there all the time because this

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is a long time ago But there was I guess the

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musical guest or maybe he was always the musical

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guest, but he was playing glasses He had a grid

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of different crystal glasses filled with different

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Volumes of water, you know, I can't deal with

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this But if you take a wine glass and get your

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finger a little wet you can make it ring and

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sing a little bit So he would play like classical

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music on like a hundred different glasses. And

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I just thought that was the coolest thing. That

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was what I took away from it. Well, were you,

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you said you were a child actor. Are you from

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Los Angeles? I'm from Thousand Oaks, which is

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about, I don't know, 45 minutes to an hour away

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from LA. So it's Ventura County technically,

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but very close, yeah. Were your parents in the

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industry or did they put you, because like if

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you're five, you're not deciding to be an actor

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probably? No, no. My parents were not in the

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industry at all. My dad's a computer guy. He's

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top engineer at Metta now. No, he's not he's

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retired but um, it's like we talked it. Yeah

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No, he was no he worked for Colavo avocados But

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you can talk to him about that if you want I

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don't know if you have any trouble with your

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hits Okay, so he's he's a computer guy you can

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be a guy my mom was just I had two siblings so

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she was just full -time mom she used to be in

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jewelry, but Her friend was like this photographer

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and she was like, oh, I need to take photos for

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my reel. So she's like, and Nikki, like, can

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I take a photo of Nikki? And she was like, yeah,

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sure. And we did this photo shoot with this other

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little girl. I should really forgot who that

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little girl was. It was very famous. I know that's

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what it was like. It was Amy Adams. I don't know.

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Margot Robbie. Margot Robbie. Yeah, it was in

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Australia. And she took these photos, I was wearing

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a Newsy cap and osh -gosh -ba -gosh overalls

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and stuff. I have them somewhere. And then she

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was like, these are really good. You should send

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them to an agent. And I guess that's how Hollywood

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worked in the 80s. So my mom printed up a bunch

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and sent them to agencies. And then this kind

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of legendary... Child agent her name is Iris

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Burton. She passed like 10 years ago But she

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repped like Joaquin Phoenix and River Phoenix

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and she was just like all the big anyway all

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the big names Yeah back when they were kids and

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then she I guess I had a meeting I don't remember

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any of this I was three years old she had a meeting

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and She brought me into her office made my mom

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stay outside and my mom was just like waiting

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outside in her office She chain -smoked all the

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time And she eventually like called her in and

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I was like sitting on Iris's lap Well, Iris is

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just like smoking a Marlboro red cigarette with

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this like raspy voice and she tells my mom She

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goes at least is my mom told me but she she goes

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He's too young But I don't want anybody else

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to have them. I'll take them And then she signed

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me and then I started doing like commercials

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and weird little bits on TV shows and And then

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I don't remember when the Tracy Ullman I don't

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remember auditioning for it And then I was on

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the Tracy Ullman show for a minute and just did

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like random shit for until like high school And

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I just thought I stopped going out professionally.

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Do you I'm curious. Do you still like see residual

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checks from that work? That's funny. I don't

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I don't think I've seen a residual check from

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Tracy Ullman show in a long time but I'll still

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get from that I got into I started doing like

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voice work and I did they used to well they still

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do these things called eight like loop groups

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or ADR okay yeah anyway it's basically like the

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background voice of movies and tv shows so they'll

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film like you know a cafe scene and there'll

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be like 40 extras in their background actors

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and um they will just have everybody just pretend

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they're talking because they want clean audio

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of the dialogue and then later they'll send in

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a group of like 10 voice actors who will go in

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and you'll be like all right sam you get that

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guy in the back who's ordering the coffee and

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i'll be the barista and then you go you get that

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couple who's fighting in the corner and you just

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record like bullshit audio like trying to match

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lips if you have to um so anyway i got into that

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at maybe eight years old just because i was an

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actor and i was like oh he can talk and he follows

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directions well And so I still get checks from

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Kindergarten Cop. Okay. So your voice is in Kindergarten

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Cop? My voice is in Kindergarten Cop. Well, there's

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a lot of just like screaming at Playground as

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Arnold's like, oh, stop! But I did that for like

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30 years. I never had a day job because I'd always

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be able to do like ADR work. Well, that's not

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sure I delivered pizzas and I waited tables and

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everything but when I was whenever I was working

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professionally I would always be able to do that,

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but I never That is like the only line that you

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can actually find my voice in it. There is this

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scene There's this little boy It's like the fire

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Fire alarm is pulled and this little boy like

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jumps up on a table and he starts going He's

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saying like I'm on fire. I'm on fire, but they

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didn't have clean audio So that's my voice that's

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you that's me, but it's a it's an african -american

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child So it doesn't feel great to brag about

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it Yes, it's like once or twice a year I get

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a check for like eight dollars Okay, but somebody's

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keeping track of that which is crazy yeah, I

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mean I guess you have to like I've seen checks

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that people have posted Like, you know, actors

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that were, like, in a thing, like speaking roles

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for, you know, a movie or episode of a TV show,

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and they'll show the check and it'll be, like,

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40 bucks for the year. And I'm like, how the

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fuck is that? Like, I'm like, I know the show.

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You know, you're on CSI. The industry doesn't

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seem necessarily actor -friendly. No, no. I did,

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like, an episode of The Office, one episode of

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The Office. I think I had two lines. And I'll

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get a check once a year for about, yeah, 30,

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40 bucks. But then I go like, what is Jim and

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Pam getting? Like they're on every episode over

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like 12 seasons or something. They must get,

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they're doing good. Yeah. I mean, I saw, I think

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at the end of like the Big Bang Theory, everyone

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was making like a million to $2 million an episode

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and then royalties. Jeez. I think I heard that

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about like the Friends cast too. It was like,

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15 years off the air there make they make ten

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million dollars a year and just just royalties.

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Well, you know was it was a pretty big show So

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you you got out of acting when you went in the

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high school what you said, yeah kind of I just

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I I was always pulled out of class And I just

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my sister I have an older sister and a younger

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brother. My older sister was really involved

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Well, this is I got out of like professional

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acting because I wanted to follow in my Sisters

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footsteps and do show choir in high school. Okay.

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Okay. Yeah, so which was, you know, probably

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a mistake. That was kind of backwards of the

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way most people go about it. Exactly. Well, I

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just wanted you get like, if you get like a really

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good gig, you're like out of school for like

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two months. I was constantly on set doing school

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and I was just like, I kind of just want to have

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a normal high school experience. And then I'm

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going to go to like UCLA or something and then

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I'll start it up again. But I just want to go

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to high school. I don't want to be constantly

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taken out of class. Okay. So you did just want

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it. Normal experience. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's

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just I mean maybe it was just like Yeah, I don't

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know. I was also like, you know getting to that

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awkward age and there's just like I wasn't like

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cute little Nikki Rutherford anymore I was like

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kind of pudgy prepubescent Rutherford Right.

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Yeah, it's like, you know, I'd rather just not

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worry about this for a couple years I mean since

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I think one of one of the few people That has

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actually made that transition acting like almost

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the whole time Is Jason Bateman like he did have

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a down period obviously in the 90s when he went

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a little nuts But then he got arrested and came

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back But if you watch like a video of him when

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he's 13, it's just Jason Bateman like it's just

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a smaller Hairy hairless Jason Bateman. It's

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hilarious. Like he's yeah, he's worked forever,

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right? Yeah, like he was I think the same thing

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where They just had pictures taken of him for

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like what some friend needed pictures and that

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went to an agent like the same story basically,

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I Got a hit him up Start a podcast When did he

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get arrested see maybe that's what I'm missing

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is like a junior like coke ears. Oh, no. No he

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uh, I mean a rest development He's got a get

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he got yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, was Downey was

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he a child actor? I don't know, but he was probably

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like a you know teenage sweetheart. Yeah, have

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you ever have you ever seen his dad's movie?

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It's Robert Downey senior. Yeah, so he's like

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he's done like two things. He's a terrible person

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He gets his head blown off into live -and -die

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in LA But he also made this movie in the early

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70s called Putney's Swope and it's black and

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white and it's like a like a Almost like a black

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militant movie About making advertisements on

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Madison Avenue. It's fucking crazy. Yeah, my

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buddy showed that it's really weird. It's good

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But he made exactly one movie and it was that

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He was an actor he was a director of Putney's

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and then he acted in To live and die in LA for

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some reason. I don't know You're just to get

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shy I don't I've never even thought about there's

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a senior to the junior. I never even And he was

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a bad guy. In what way? Robert Downey Jr. came

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by his Coke when he was about eight years old.

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They would just get high together. And like,

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it's not like, you know, like a dad and son.

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It's not like... Sons and the... Yeah. And you're

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25. Yeah. He was like seven, eight, and his dad

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was like, here's cocaine. So it's remarkable

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he actually worked. He shouldn't have to go to...

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Yeah, I think we can write him off. Okay, so

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you go, you're in high school, and then you go

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to college. Did you get back into acting in college?

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Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I did all the plays

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in high school, and I was always really active

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in community theater and stuff before high school.

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Were you writing this time, too? Not really.

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Not really. I mean, in high school... No, not

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really. It was really college that I started

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writing. I mean, I knew I wanted to be a comedian.

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My first goal was to be the youngest kid, the

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youngest person to own a Las Vegas casino. Yeah,

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I mean, you could drive, you know, it's a five

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hour drive from my parents' house to Vegas. And

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it was like back when they were like making Vegas

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family friendly. So there were like cool arcades

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everywhere. And then they realized they don't

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make any money with that, so they destroyed all

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the arcades and like the Coca -Cola museums.

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But all the kids still go there for some reason.

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Kids are still going there. And then that's when

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they started that what happens in Vegas stays

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in Vegas. They were like, leave your kids at

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home, cheat on your wife, we don't care, just

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come here and spend money. Like we're not making

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amusement parks anymore. Except the last time

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I was in Vegas, it's kids. Just kid city, yeah.

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Like I'm walking around the casino and there's

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babies running around, like this doesn't feel

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right. It is pretty wild. This isn't good for

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me, you know? No. It's probably worse for them.

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Probably. Like, your parents are supposed to

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take you to Disneyland, not the fucking Caesar's

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Palace, you know? Where you can smoke inside

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still. Yeah, everything. No, that's not great.

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What people got you into comedy? Like, what are

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your influences? Like early influences? Yeah,

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I'm always curious. I mean, this is probably

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not gonna sound great, but my dad was a big fan

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of Cosby, obviously before, you know, we knew.

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He's not a big fan of the raping. Yeah, no, no,

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no, he didn't know well. No, yeah, he was a big

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fan of like the storytelling. And so, I mean,

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I remember listening to like actual Cosby records,

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which was like kind of still vintage even then,

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you know, there was like CDs and shit, but like

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we had like he had his old records from college

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or something and. funny man i just i just like

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his story telling i just really like telling

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telling stories i mean i was always a funny kid

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you know i was always like class clown and and

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shit like that but but i was like if i'm gonna

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i'm gonna own a casino and then be the world's

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youngest stand -up comedian okay and then like

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years It wasn't a thumbs. I got a thumbs down

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earlier. Really? That was good. So insulting.

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You want to be the youngest stand -up comedian?

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Here's balloons, you idiot. This is audio only.

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A bunch of balloons just floated in front of

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Nick's face on the screen for no conceivable

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reason. For the listening audience. Yeah. I put

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up a peace sign, I think, and then I just had

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a little birthday party. A little digital birthday

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party. To celebrate my dreams. We were not recording

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yet. You weren't here and Eli was talking and

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that came up and it was just a big thumbs down.

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Really? This is terrible audio. I think you can

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do this and it's like a laser shot. You're gonna

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have to cut this shit up. Oh, confetti. So if

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you do the I am not a crook. Hand signal, it

00:22:01.630 --> 00:22:05.009
gives you confetti. Yeah. Incredible. Okay, that's

00:22:05.009 --> 00:22:12.589
new. This is what AI is giving us. Thanks, Sam

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Altman. I always find like early comedy influences

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interesting because I very vividly remember being

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12 years old and going to a blockbuster with

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my dad and renting my cousin Vinny and then also

00:22:25.849 --> 00:22:28.710
Jim Gaffigan's King Baby. And I didn't know what

00:22:28.710 --> 00:22:31.759
stand -up comedy was. Right? Like the concept

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didn't exist to me. I didn't want to rent it

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because I was like, it's a guy talking for an

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hour. That sounds horrible. I want to watch a

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movie. And then he was like, you're going to

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like it. And I remember just sitting there in

00:22:41.579 --> 00:22:43.779
his apartment watching King Baby and just being

00:22:43.779 --> 00:22:47.960
like, oh, my God, that's an option. Yeah. It

00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:51.140
was like, it was that like raw for me. Like once

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I like started to dive into comedy, I was like.

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You could just stand on stage in like a red leather

00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:59.059
jumpsuit and be a god Yeah, you can be andrew

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dice clay and come out and not talk for five

00:23:01.500 --> 00:23:03.799
minutes while everyone loses their fucking minds

00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:06.400
because you're lighting a cigarette Yeah, you

00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:08.759
can do some weird like cigarette over your head

00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:12.220
thing and that's your closer I do think it's

00:23:12.220 --> 00:23:16.460
gotten a little more difficult, but It was like

00:23:16.460 --> 00:23:21.099
very personality based before Okay, so you grew

00:23:21.099 --> 00:23:24.500
up you're listening to cosby, um And then you

00:23:24.500 --> 00:23:29.180
go to college from high school, and at a certain

00:23:29.180 --> 00:23:30.799
point, you're obviously hooked up with three

00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:33.859
other guys and did a comedy group. Yeah. I went

00:23:33.859 --> 00:23:39.579
to USC and we... Actually, I went to junior college.

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I went to this community college in Moorpark

00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.279
called Moorpark Community College. And just because

00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:47.039
it makes college so much cheaper and we didn't

00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.259
have any money. And I got really into theater

00:23:49.259 --> 00:23:51.420
there. I think I started taking writing classes

00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:53.400
there, like cinema, television, writing classes

00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:56.799
there, and did a lot of improv. And I was starting

00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:58.339
to take, I was starting to do shows in Santa

00:23:58.339 --> 00:24:01.579
Monica. I was like 17. I would like drive into

00:24:01.579 --> 00:24:03.819
Santa Monica to do shows at this little tiny

00:24:03.819 --> 00:24:05.940
theater that's no longer there, like improv shows.

00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:09.299
And then when I got to SC, I was a like theater

00:24:09.299 --> 00:24:13.500
major. There was like a flyer that was like,

00:24:13.500 --> 00:24:15.640
oh, audition for Comedius Interruptus, which

00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:19.829
is their... It's like the longest -running improv

00:24:19.829 --> 00:24:22.069
group on USC campus. I think there's a whole

00:24:22.069 --> 00:24:24.569
bunch now. There was like three that were made

00:24:24.569 --> 00:24:28.769
during my time there. And I auditioned. Yeah.

00:24:29.609 --> 00:24:31.990
I was hearing, I don't remember if it's that

00:24:31.990 --> 00:24:33.950
exact one, but I was listening to an episode

00:24:33.950 --> 00:24:36.970
of Marin, and they listed off a bunch of people

00:24:36.970 --> 00:24:39.630
who had been in a USC improv group, and I was

00:24:39.630 --> 00:24:42.099
like, oh my god. That's like all of the people.

00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:44.640
That's so funny. It might have been that one.

00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:46.140
I mean, there was a bunch of them, but it might

00:24:46.140 --> 00:24:47.839
have been that one. Because it was an old one.

00:24:47.980 --> 00:24:55.299
I know that. Yeah, I graduated in six, and I

00:24:55.299 --> 00:24:57.680
think it had been around for 20 years previous

00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:01.730
to that. That's always interesting. Like a college

00:25:01.730 --> 00:25:04.150
can upkeep that with the amount of turnover that

00:25:04.150 --> 00:25:05.950
happens, you know Because you'd assume that after

00:25:05.950 --> 00:25:07.990
five years the original people are gone. The

00:25:07.990 --> 00:25:09.829
second group's gone. They go fuck it, you know

00:25:09.829 --> 00:25:12.490
Yeah, one day drops a ball and it just dissolves.

00:25:12.589 --> 00:25:15.470
Yeah. Yeah, it was like a machine. I mean they

00:25:15.470 --> 00:25:18.450
we performed They kind of treat you like a business

00:25:18.450 --> 00:25:21.230
to like we would perform every Friday like and

00:25:21.230 --> 00:25:24.410
this main quad outside It was so fun. Like we

00:25:24.410 --> 00:25:26.990
just get like we just get a hundred people there

00:25:26.990 --> 00:25:29.529
and just like on grass so you could just fall

00:25:29.529 --> 00:25:32.009
down and like flop around. It was just so fun.

00:25:32.430 --> 00:25:36.589
And then also we were like tasked with like going

00:25:36.589 --> 00:25:39.650
to the perspective incoming students or actual

00:25:39.650 --> 00:25:41.670
incoming freshmen and we would perform for all

00:25:41.670 --> 00:25:43.609
these like orientations and the school would

00:25:43.609 --> 00:25:45.869
like pay us like legitimate money. So we would

00:25:45.869 --> 00:25:48.750
like travel to different comedy festivals. But

00:25:48.750 --> 00:25:51.849
it was like performing for like 17 year old kids

00:25:51.849 --> 00:25:54.450
who like are with their like conservative parents

00:25:54.450 --> 00:25:58.349
and then like College acapella group gets up

00:25:58.349 --> 00:26:00.309
there and does like the Mario Party theme with

00:26:00.309 --> 00:26:02.670
like doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo

00:26:02.670 --> 00:26:04.349
doo doo doo doo And like it's just you know,

00:26:04.450 --> 00:26:06.849
whatever not to bag on acapella I mean I did

00:26:06.849 --> 00:26:09.269
it for four years in high school, but it's just

00:26:09.269 --> 00:26:11.329
you know, it's a little it's a little tame Yeah,

00:26:11.349 --> 00:26:12.950
and then we would jump up there and just start

00:26:12.950 --> 00:26:16.269
saying like fuck are you bitch and like we were

00:26:16.269 --> 00:26:19.809
kings? Mom I gotta go to the school you could

00:26:19.809 --> 00:26:23.130
curse like it was a very very fun Is that where

00:26:23.130 --> 00:26:27.210
you met Kyle and Beck and Dave? Yeah, yeah. We

00:26:27.210 --> 00:26:30.529
had all auditioned together and, or Dave didn't,

00:26:30.589 --> 00:26:32.490
Dave wasn't attending the school, but Kyle and

00:26:32.490 --> 00:26:34.730
Beck and I did. And then the three of us ended

00:26:34.730 --> 00:26:37.849
up getting into it and just became like really,

00:26:37.849 --> 00:26:40.390
really tight right away. And then that group

00:26:40.390 --> 00:26:42.569
specifically, that group would do like two sketch

00:26:42.569 --> 00:26:46.009
shows a year. So we would do, in addition to

00:26:46.009 --> 00:26:47.849
just rehearsing improv and performing all the

00:26:47.849 --> 00:26:50.069
time, we would like be constantly preparing like

00:26:50.069 --> 00:26:52.650
this big live sketch show. And Dave was going

00:26:52.650 --> 00:26:56.069
to film school. And so we started making videos

00:26:56.069 --> 00:26:58.829
for these sketch shows. And then it was kind

00:26:58.829 --> 00:27:01.009
of around the age of like Lonely Island. And

00:27:01.009 --> 00:27:04.569
so as I had transferred in, so I like graduated

00:27:04.569 --> 00:27:08.670
basically a year or so before they did. And then

00:27:08.670 --> 00:27:10.930
kind of our final year, my final year, we were

00:27:10.930 --> 00:27:12.609
like kind of starting to lay the groundwork for

00:27:12.609 --> 00:27:14.490
like, okay, well, when we all graduate, we're

00:27:14.490 --> 00:27:16.829
going to do the Lonely Island thing. And we're

00:27:16.829 --> 00:27:19.390
going to like, you know, just put our shit online

00:27:19.390 --> 00:27:21.369
and we're going to just make videos all the time.

00:27:22.069 --> 00:27:24.660
And that's what we did. I mean, I remember, you

00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:28.900
know, I wasn't that old when Lazy Sunday came

00:27:28.900 --> 00:27:31.220
out, right? But I was just at the beginning of

00:27:31.220 --> 00:27:34.160
the time where you start watching SNL, right?

00:27:35.859 --> 00:27:37.920
And I remember watching that and being like,

00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:40.640
that's different. But then also the YouTube,

00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.210
it was everywhere. you know, and that became

00:27:43.210 --> 00:27:46.190
an entirely new way to distribute your comedy.

00:27:46.250 --> 00:27:48.349
You didn't have to be discovered in a club by

00:27:48.349 --> 00:27:50.789
someone who knew, like, Lauren Michaels or Mitzi

00:27:50.789 --> 00:27:52.730
Shore, you know, you could just put it up there

00:27:52.730 --> 00:27:54.730
and they'd be, like, funny. Yeah, and then you

00:27:54.730 --> 00:27:56.750
could share it, and it wasn't, like, part of

00:27:56.750 --> 00:27:59.410
a short festival and, like, Telluride or something,

00:27:59.529 --> 00:28:01.809
like, you could just immediately share it. But

00:28:01.809 --> 00:28:05.349
early days, it was, like, YouTube, heavy .com.

00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:08.700
super deluxe. I mean, even Vimeo was kind of

00:28:08.700 --> 00:28:10.880
trying to be a platform, like not just like for

00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.559
professionals to trade video. So we would just

00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:16.140
have to upload every video on like nine different

00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:19.240
platforms. I remember we used to, we had all

00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.119
graduated, but we still live by campus and we

00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.339
would edit videos and this computer lab, this

00:28:25.339 --> 00:28:27.940
really high tech computer lab at SC because we

00:28:27.940 --> 00:28:30.019
didn't have any money or a computer to edit.

00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.180
We didn't have access because we weren't students.

00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:34.839
So we would just like, Dave and I would stand

00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:37.279
outside, chain smoking, parliament lights, cigarettes,

00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:39.500
until somebody would open the door and then we

00:28:39.500 --> 00:28:42.079
would just swoop in. And we were there like more

00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:44.200
than most students. So eventually people would

00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:45.859
just be like, oh, you forgot your ID, come on

00:28:45.859 --> 00:28:48.759
in. But there'd be this room that would have

00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:50.900
all these power Macs, like these super crazy,

00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:54.539
like old iMac computers, just like 30 of them

00:28:54.539 --> 00:28:57.119
in there. And we would put our videos up on Funny

00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:59.539
or Die. And we figured that Funny or Die had

00:28:59.539 --> 00:29:02.700
this algorithm before nobody anybody knew what

00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:05.680
algorithm meant where like in the first hour

00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:08.119
if it got a bunch of funnies it would make it

00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.680
to the front page so Dave and I would just load

00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:14.099
up like six browser windows on each computer

00:29:14.099 --> 00:29:16.599
and then with rolling chairs just go down and

00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:19.180
like funny funny funny funny funny just like

00:29:19.180 --> 00:29:22.799
in a carousel around this around this little

00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.619
classroom. So we're frauds, basically. That is

00:29:26.619 --> 00:29:30.440
the best origin story ever. We snuck into the

00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:32.720
school. We were the only people watching our

00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:36.460
own videos. I love that. Well, it got it on the

00:29:36.460 --> 00:29:38.559
front page, and then people got to watch it.

00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:41.660
They broke it through the noise. But also, it's

00:29:41.660 --> 00:29:46.079
crazy. The competition was much less back then.

00:29:46.940 --> 00:29:49.740
We bought an SD... We had to get Kyle's dad to

00:29:49.740 --> 00:29:52.740
buy us a camera. like we had to like pitch him

00:29:52.740 --> 00:29:56.319
a business plan to get a boom mic because like

00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:57.700
you could have just shoot shit on your phone

00:29:57.700 --> 00:30:00.180
we were just like scrapping by well also i mean

00:30:00.180 --> 00:30:02.839
like the the barrier to entry was higher so there's

00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:04.900
less competition because you did have to have

00:30:04.900 --> 00:30:07.039
a boom mic you had to have a camera that could

00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.640
record you had to have somewhere to edit it you

00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:13.099
know or as opposed to now like there's thousands

00:30:13.099 --> 00:30:15.799
of people on instagram making reels that are

00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.460
comedy and sometimes those reels end up getting

00:30:18.460 --> 00:30:21.920
you a movie that makes fucking $500 million like

00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:26.579
the guy from obsession. But you know, I mean,

00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.740
it's an entirely different landscape in a very

00:30:29.740 --> 00:30:33.119
short period of time. Yeah. Yeah. How do you

00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:38.099
work with it? I mean, I feel like there's constantly

00:30:38.099 --> 00:30:39.960
I can't really speak for Beck and Kyle, but there

00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.079
is kind of constant pressure to be like, Oh shit,

00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:44.279
should we still be doing this? Like people still

00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:47.420
want it. I feel like we're just not in the conversation

00:30:47.420 --> 00:30:52.200
of it anymore. Like, I love the real, real lo

00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.220
-fi that you edit on your iPhone videos of people

00:30:56.220 --> 00:30:58.519
jumping off a ladder and then cutting straight

00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:00.779
to heaven. And they're like, ah, damn it. And

00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:03.839
it's like shitty green screen. I love that stuff.

00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:06.019
And I'm like, I don't think I can do that now.

00:31:06.140 --> 00:31:09.579
I think it would be weird if I jumped into the

00:31:09.579 --> 00:31:11.839
bad green screen sketch comedy that would just

00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:14.359
be like, no, no, you can't do it. So I just stay

00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.130
out of it. I just totally stan it. Have you seen

00:31:17.130 --> 00:31:19.049
that guy? There's a guy going around Instagram

00:31:19.049 --> 00:31:21.230
now who's interviewing baseball players with

00:31:21.230 --> 00:31:25.710
nonsensical questions. Sounds familiar. Yeah,

00:31:25.869 --> 00:31:30.089
it does, doesn't it? And all of the comments

00:31:30.089 --> 00:31:33.950
on it are just like, hey, long bombs away. It's

00:31:33.950 --> 00:31:38.529
just a rip of that shit. I mean, it's all cyclical,

00:31:38.549 --> 00:31:40.470
I guess. Everything just keeps happening over

00:31:40.470 --> 00:31:43.569
and over again. But I haven't seen that guy.

00:31:43.769 --> 00:31:48.609
It's the same. It's the same. Okay, so you guys

00:31:48.609 --> 00:31:52.009
get that group together, and you're out of college,

00:31:52.269 --> 00:31:55.690
you're putting stuff up online, and I assume

00:31:55.690 --> 00:31:59.630
you're trying to get into the next level from

00:31:59.630 --> 00:32:03.009
making, you know, online videos. Yeah, you know,

00:32:03.069 --> 00:32:06.930
I mean, I think in the back of our mind, I think

00:32:06.930 --> 00:32:10.299
there was like We'll do the lonely island route

00:32:10.299 --> 00:32:13.099
and Lauren will just like scoop us up But also

00:32:13.099 --> 00:32:16.200
it felt so far away and impossible and like lightning's

00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:20.500
not gonna strike twice. So We started we just

00:32:20.500 --> 00:32:22.779
started pitching things We got like cooked up

00:32:22.779 --> 00:32:25.859
with this big conglomeration of a bunch of different

00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:28.240
YouTube channels and that kind of gave us this

00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.240
like infinite production pipeline so then we

00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:33.039
got to kind of raise the quality of our because

00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:35.000
then we can like borrow their like HD cameras

00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:36.420
and their equipment we had a full production

00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:39.220
staff and So we started making kind of higher

00:32:39.220 --> 00:32:43.400
fidelity videos. Um, and then around, I mean,

00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:45.359
this, this is over the course of like a decade,

00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.259
you know, I was like working at, if I wasn't

00:32:48.259 --> 00:32:52.140
doing like ADR, I was working at, um, Grand Luxe

00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:55.079
cafe in the Beverly center. Beck was working

00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.440
at Figaro cafe and like Los Feliz, just like,

00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.599
just shitty restaurants. Right. And Kyle was

00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:06.460
working at the film archive of USC. Okay, like

00:33:06.460 --> 00:33:10.660
below one of the theaters Was that you say? What

00:33:10.660 --> 00:33:12.680
I get? Yeah, I probably was but he was really

00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:14.519
just like cataloging old cameras and stuff They

00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.779
had like this amazing little like I don't even

00:33:16.779 --> 00:33:18.519
know if it's public I'm sure you could like request

00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:22.500
to go see but And I mean there was lots of other

00:33:22.500 --> 00:33:24.819
jobs. I think Kyle worked for a management company

00:33:24.819 --> 00:33:27.759
reading scripts and Was yeah, we were all over

00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:31.099
the plan always like to get SNL specifically

00:33:33.299 --> 00:33:37.180
Don't know if that felt so impossible to me You

00:33:37.180 --> 00:33:39.480
know, it just felt like or it felt like we don't

00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:42.119
even need to do that We can just because at some

00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:46.700
point we had a pilot with Comedy Central So that

00:33:46.700 --> 00:33:50.440
was really and also right around here like workaholics

00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:52.420
were starting to do great and we saw like a lot

00:33:52.420 --> 00:33:54.400
of parallels We're like, okay, we're like three

00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:56.880
white guys who are funny and some rascals and

00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.740
so We were kind of like maybe that's the path

00:33:59.740 --> 00:34:01.700
is we just have like the Good Neighbors show

00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:04.000
And we kind of went down that path and we got

00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.519
very, very close. We made the pilot. They never

00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:10.260
aired it. It was pretty weird. And they were

00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:12.679
like, Comedy Central was like, okay, this is

00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:16.099
cool. They basically gave us like 50 grand to

00:34:16.099 --> 00:34:20.719
make, you know, a presentation or something,

00:34:20.860 --> 00:34:24.659
a proof of concept. And at the time it was like

00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:26.730
the most money any of us had ever heard of. And

00:34:26.730 --> 00:34:29.670
then they were like, this is weird. We're not

00:34:29.670 --> 00:34:31.349
really sure what this is. We really like it.

00:34:31.349 --> 00:34:33.329
But what we're going to do instead is we're going

00:34:33.329 --> 00:34:36.829
to give you guys like a real budget to make like

00:34:36.829 --> 00:34:38.670
a special. There was like a lot of Commie Central

00:34:38.670 --> 00:34:40.750
specials, not just standing up on stage, but

00:34:40.750 --> 00:34:45.110
like making make a 45 minute special. And then

00:34:45.110 --> 00:34:48.110
that might become the show. And so we were right

00:34:48.110 --> 00:34:50.789
on the path of doing that. We were like we were

00:34:50.789 --> 00:34:52.969
like interviewing showrunners and stuff and figuring

00:34:52.969 --> 00:34:55.210
out what that was going to be. And then like

00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.679
Of course as soon as that happened then like

00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.019
Lorne Michaels came knocking and then SNL came

00:35:00.019 --> 00:35:03.400
and we all auditioned and and then that was it.

00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:06.760
Auditioning for SNL like every other teenager

00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.079
I was watching SNL um and the show fascinates

00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:15.039
me so Lorne Michaels calls you guys let's talk

00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:19.840
about what the audition process is like. It's

00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:25.599
um Mean I think the full process is pretty intense.

00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:28.860
I didn't make it past the first like, you know

00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:31.900
round or two or something like but basically

00:35:31.900 --> 00:35:34.719
You get like a week. It was like hey, do you

00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:36.579
guys want to audition for SNL? We're like, yeah,

00:35:36.579 --> 00:35:38.300
of course. They're like great It's next Thursday

00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:40.579
and we're like wait, what the hell and it wasn't

00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:43.480
together as a writer or a performer Initially,

00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.599
I auditioned as a performer. Okay But we auditioned

00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:50.000
like individually and I forget why I think Kyle

00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.579
was shooting something. Kyle had like found some

00:35:52.579 --> 00:35:55.480
like pretty incredible success already on TV.

00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:58.119
So he was like, I believe he was shooting something

00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:00.900
in like Belgium or somewhere. Uh, but Beck and

00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:03.659
I were in Texas shooting this like little indie

00:36:03.659 --> 00:36:07.019
movie called, um, well now it's called balls

00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:10.980
out, but it was called, uh, intermural, but it's

00:36:10.980 --> 00:36:13.840
great. And then Kate McKinnon in it and Jake

00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:18.170
Lacey and Brian McAlaney and Nick Kocher, who

00:36:18.170 --> 00:36:20.050
we all became friends with and still are friends

00:36:20.050 --> 00:36:23.269
with. So Beck and I were in Austin, Texas filming

00:36:23.269 --> 00:36:26.210
this thing, living in this Airbnb together, and

00:36:26.210 --> 00:36:30.489
for some reason we both had mopeds. We'd found

00:36:30.489 --> 00:36:33.039
mopeds. Beck had either... somebody hit in the

00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:34.400
neighborhood and moped and was like, hey, if

00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:36.860
I get it tuned and fixed, can I have it? So I

00:36:36.860 --> 00:36:39.119
would just drive mopeds around like to open mics

00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:42.440
in Austin and do like characters and like pop

00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:44.340
in and be like, hey, do you mind if I do like

00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:46.980
seven minutes? I'm just gonna be running my SNL

00:36:46.980 --> 00:36:48.800
audition. And that was very exciting. So people

00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:50.860
like, yeah, please, please. And then all the

00:36:50.860 --> 00:36:54.320
comedians hated it because you know, comedians

00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:58.579
hate watching comedy. then it was then we had

00:36:58.579 --> 00:37:01.639
to fly back to LA and perform at what the improv

00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.219
West like to it was a Okay crowd like there was

00:37:05.219 --> 00:37:07.260
some reason it wasn't just like Lauren and the

00:37:07.260 --> 00:37:10.199
producers and it was just like, you know a character

00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:13.280
showcase show and we did the show and it felt

00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.329
pretty good about it and then Think a week later

00:37:16.329 --> 00:37:18.389
I found out that I wasn't moving on to the next

00:37:18.389 --> 00:37:20.090
thing but I was still being considered as a writer

00:37:20.090 --> 00:37:21.869
and I think back in college to go to New York

00:37:21.869 --> 00:37:24.309
and do like a stage test and do the whole thing

00:37:24.309 --> 00:37:28.309
and like at studio 8h or whatever it is and Do

00:37:28.309 --> 00:37:31.090
it in front of like a big empty stage with just

00:37:31.090 --> 00:37:33.269
like four people and clipboards and that sounds

00:37:33.269 --> 00:37:39.809
very awkward I think I mean, I think it's it's

00:37:39.809 --> 00:37:41.650
like trial by fire. I think the whole show is

00:37:41.650 --> 00:37:47.349
like trial by fire. Okay. Yeah I'm sure you could

00:37:47.349 --> 00:37:48.869
find them, but when they used to put the best

00:37:48.869 --> 00:37:52.230
of SNL DVDs out, they'd be like, best of Will

00:37:52.230 --> 00:37:54.630
Ferrell, best of Chris Catan, whatever. They

00:37:54.630 --> 00:37:58.230
would often put their audition tape at the end.

00:37:58.230 --> 00:38:01.050
Yeah, I've seen various. Yeah, I've seen various.

00:38:01.130 --> 00:38:02.889
They're very interesting. It's like Will Ferrell

00:38:02.889 --> 00:38:06.130
pretending to be a cat on that stage to just

00:38:06.130 --> 00:38:09.230
dead silence. Yeah, because nobody laughs. Nobody's

00:38:09.230 --> 00:38:13.219
laughing. One of my favorite comedy stories is

00:38:13.219 --> 00:38:15.639
that Bill Hader and Andy Samberg are auditioning

00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.199
on the same day, right? And they don't know each

00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.739
other yet. And they both get in the same elevator.

00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:22.780
And Andy Samberg has a bunch of props with him,

00:38:22.940 --> 00:38:25.119
right? And Bill Hader in his head is thinking,

00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:27.659
oh shit, this guy has props? I'm not prepared

00:38:27.659 --> 00:38:30.340
at all. And Andy Samberg in his head is thinking,

00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.300
oh, this guy doesn't need props? Yeah, I'm gonna

00:38:34.300 --> 00:38:36.619
I'm gonna fucking you know, I'm not gonna make

00:38:36.619 --> 00:38:42.059
it They both are fine But I mean right around

00:38:42.059 --> 00:38:44.320
the time that you guys were auditioning was a

00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:47.739
pretty big transition Of that show because like

00:38:47.739 --> 00:38:49.780
a lot of that cast that came in right after the

00:38:49.780 --> 00:38:52.880
Will Ferrell era Was leaving right like Fred

00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.980
and Bill and Andy. Yeah. Yeah, that's right All

00:38:55.980 --> 00:38:58.280
those guys were like within one or two years

00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.699
gone You know, um, and it's, I think it's always

00:39:01.699 --> 00:39:04.360
interesting to see what comes after a high point

00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:08.159
in SNL. Um, and the cast that like followed,

00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.619
you know, it was big shoes. And I remember watching

00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:12.079
it in college and being like, these guys are

00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.059
really good too. You know, I was like so used

00:39:15.059 --> 00:39:18.800
to the cast I kind of grew up on, but then, you

00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:21.440
know, the SNL Kate and Kyle and Beck and all

00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:24.039
those people, this is a great cast as well. Uh,

00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:27.780
which is hard. Um, but they get it that year.

00:39:28.090 --> 00:39:31.530
And you don't get it, right? Yeah, I didn't get

00:39:31.530 --> 00:39:34.570
it. I didn't get hired as a writer. Yeah, how

00:39:34.570 --> 00:39:39.090
was that? I mean, it was pretty devastating.

00:39:40.730 --> 00:39:45.289
I had a job at the time. I was working for this

00:39:45.289 --> 00:39:49.070
block of animated shows. Was this for Adult Swim?

00:39:49.590 --> 00:39:52.670
It wasn't, but Fox was trying to do Adult Swim.

00:39:52.789 --> 00:39:55.550
So Fox was trying to do a Saturday night hour

00:39:55.550 --> 00:39:57.889
block. I mean, they did it for many years. called

00:39:57.889 --> 00:40:01.610
like ADHD, animation, domination, high definition.

00:40:02.650 --> 00:40:04.750
But it was the same, it was the same model. It

00:40:04.750 --> 00:40:07.130
was all like quarter hour shows. So it'd be like,

00:40:07.130 --> 00:40:11.250
you know, 15 minute short shows instead of half

00:40:11.250 --> 00:40:12.730
hour shows. And there'd be like four of them.

00:40:13.269 --> 00:40:16.170
And so I had gotten this job maybe a year or

00:40:16.170 --> 00:40:19.219
two previously, which was a really fun... Mean

00:40:19.219 --> 00:40:20.940
it was great. That was also a little bit of trial

00:40:20.940 --> 00:40:22.860
by fire because I've worked on all of those shows

00:40:22.860 --> 00:40:25.260
It was like in this one office like running between

00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:27.860
like four different rooms. So there was the same

00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:31.079
staff for all four shows Not not it was just

00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:34.420
me really who crossed over it was like it was

00:40:34.420 --> 00:40:36.440
like, you know one was like the old power violence

00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:40.460
guys like They had a show called stone Quackers

00:40:40.460 --> 00:40:42.239
and then these other guys who had made this show

00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:44.039
called goal in the insatiable so it was the two

00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:48.300
creators of that and then The van balloons. Oh,

00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:49.840
you guys can't see the video, but I got to see

00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:52.739
some more balloons. We came back for a minute

00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:55.960
and then it went away. I'll keep like cycling

00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:01.420
it. It was like, you know, there was a core crew

00:41:01.420 --> 00:41:03.280
for each show and then there was some people

00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:05.559
who would like hop around like the two head riders

00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.239
were kind of hopping around a lot and then I

00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:10.000
was just kind of pushed around as like, oh, why

00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:11.519
don't you go in there and help with this episode?

00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:13.059
Why don't you go over there and help like, oh,

00:41:13.059 --> 00:41:14.900
they're breaking this thing. You go over there

00:41:14.900 --> 00:41:18.099
now, which is very exciting. Um, and it was like

00:41:18.099 --> 00:41:20.599
my first real writing. Well, my first real writing

00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:25.960
gig was with odd future for loiter squad. Uh,

00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.219
but so it was devastating because all my buddies

00:41:28.219 --> 00:41:32.780
were leaving, but, and I didn't get to go, but

00:41:32.780 --> 00:41:34.780
I had this like nice pad of this like really

00:41:34.780 --> 00:41:37.039
great company and everybody I'm still friends

00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.679
with from that company. And so it was nice. It

00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:42.079
was like, wasn't horrible, horrible. And then

00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:47.050
a year later they were like, you know, Hey, now

00:41:47.050 --> 00:41:49.030
SNL wants to see your writing packet and then

00:41:49.030 --> 00:41:50.690
then I got hired and then I had to leave that

00:41:50.690 --> 00:41:54.869
job that I loved Well, so a year later you get

00:41:54.869 --> 00:42:01.150
on SNL as a writer What I can hear from a thousand

00:42:01.150 --> 00:42:03.190
different people their experiences of working

00:42:03.190 --> 00:42:07.469
on SNL and always be fascinated by it What was

00:42:07.469 --> 00:42:13.170
that like? I mean it was it's like the greatest

00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.400
Job and like the worst job at the same time,

00:42:16.420 --> 00:42:18.599
you know, it's so much pressure. There's so much

00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:22.079
stress, but at the same time you're like You're

00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:23.860
in New York and you're filming the show that

00:42:23.860 --> 00:42:27.079
everybody loves and I was doing stand I was still

00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:28.679
in stand -up at the time so like I could just

00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:31.420
do shows all the time, but it's just like You

00:42:31.420 --> 00:42:33.579
just have the highest highs and then the lowest

00:42:33.579 --> 00:42:36.280
lows, you know, just so much I mean getting the

00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:38.739
job was incredible My girlfriend at the time

00:42:38.739 --> 00:42:42.039
had just gotten a job in New York. So she was

00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.130
already living there And I was like, all right,

00:42:45.130 --> 00:42:46.929
it's okay. Like we lived together and she moved

00:42:46.929 --> 00:42:49.150
to New York for whatever the length of her show

00:42:49.150 --> 00:42:51.630
was gonna be. And then like a month later, I

00:42:51.630 --> 00:42:53.710
was like, got to call her and say like, I'm moving

00:42:53.710 --> 00:42:55.510
to New York with you. You're gonna be on this

00:42:55.510 --> 00:42:58.130
ABC sitcom that got canceled and I'm gonna be

00:42:58.130 --> 00:43:00.969
on SNL and then got fired. But like, we were

00:43:00.969 --> 00:43:03.550
like in heaven and we got this like baller, like

00:43:03.550 --> 00:43:07.409
penthouse apartment and we like lived in Williamsburg.

00:43:08.150 --> 00:43:11.190
And then just, I would have horrible suicide

00:43:11.190 --> 00:43:15.139
dreams every night. And I just, I would smoke

00:43:15.139 --> 00:43:17.380
two packs of Parliament Lights in my office.

00:43:18.619 --> 00:43:20.460
And then sometimes you get something on the air

00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:22.000
and you feel great and you watch it in front

00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:23.420
of a live audience and you feel like a king.

00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:25.179
And then other times, like your sketch gets cut

00:43:25.179 --> 00:43:27.440
right at dress rehearsal. And you're just like,

00:43:27.699 --> 00:43:29.699
you go outside and you smoke a thousand cigarettes

00:43:29.699 --> 00:43:31.980
by the Christmas tree in front of Rockefeller

00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:36.099
Center. Yeah, I mean, I just watched that Lauren

00:43:36.099 --> 00:43:38.420
documentary, the relatively - I haven't seen

00:43:38.420 --> 00:43:41.309
it. I mean, I have a different opinion on it

00:43:41.309 --> 00:43:42.849
than someone who worked on the show, I would

00:43:42.849 --> 00:43:45.829
imagine. It might give you significantly more

00:43:45.829 --> 00:43:50.489
anxiety than me. Maybe, yeah. But, I mean, I

00:43:50.489 --> 00:43:52.789
found it fascinating because it shows all the

00:43:52.789 --> 00:43:54.650
different phases of putting a show together,

00:43:55.269 --> 00:43:58.030
you know? So, like, there's footage of the table

00:43:58.030 --> 00:44:00.909
read where you can tell he's not into something.

00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:04.920
You know and everyone talks about what he does

00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.380
When he's not into something or when he's disappointed,

00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.019
but it still has to go about it You know like

00:44:10.019 --> 00:44:11.980
the way he'll sigh and like then it's all these

00:44:11.980 --> 00:44:16.760
people being like I hate that sigh Or like throwing

00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:19.019
ice while watching dress just being like this

00:44:19.019 --> 00:44:22.719
is fucking wrong There's all these Lauren isms

00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.480
that you're like watching him like Yeah, and

00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.710
it was everyone that worked there was like knew

00:44:28.710 --> 00:44:30.590
all of them, which was fascinating to me, but

00:44:30.590 --> 00:44:33.469
there was one that really stuck with me where

00:44:33.469 --> 00:44:35.269
someone, I can't remember who, was talking about

00:44:35.269 --> 00:44:37.130
the notes he gives and how they're incredibly

00:44:37.130 --> 00:44:40.369
confusing. And they were like, okay, one of his

00:44:40.369 --> 00:44:43.690
notes was, if you're going to be clingy, do it

00:44:43.690 --> 00:44:51.809
in beats. Like, the fuck is that mean? You got

00:44:51.809 --> 00:44:54.429
it, Lauren. That's funny. I mean, like, you know,

00:44:54.429 --> 00:44:58.940
he's an intimidating figure. And he's he was

00:44:58.940 --> 00:45:01.840
up there even when I was there ten plus years

00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:04.519
ago But like I thought he was very very sharp

00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:06.440
like that every time I was sitting under the

00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.360
bleachers going over like notes after a dress

00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:11.400
like I thought he was very sharp. I mean maybe

00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.980
you know, everybody has different experiences,

00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.420
but He he didn't strike me as like the Emperor

00:45:17.420 --> 00:45:19.380
has no clothes or like what the hell is he talking

00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:20.900
about? I was like, okay, I get why he's like

00:45:20.900 --> 00:45:22.960
still doing this. Yeah, I mean, he's a little

00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:26.860
elusive and like can be You know, cryptic, I

00:45:26.860 --> 00:45:28.980
guess, but I remember thinking like, okay, this

00:45:28.980 --> 00:45:30.380
makes sense. Because I was kind of like, what,

00:45:30.460 --> 00:45:32.539
is he just a figurehead? He just pops in, shakes

00:45:32.539 --> 00:45:34.639
Chevy, chases his hand and then leaves. And it's

00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:36.579
like, no, he's like involved. I mean, he reads

00:45:36.579 --> 00:45:39.920
all the stage direction, you know? Yeah. And

00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.199
that doesn't seem like he would have to. You

00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:44.260
know, just like little things like that where

00:45:44.260 --> 00:45:46.539
you could have passed that off. Yeah, you could

00:45:46.539 --> 00:45:48.199
have passed that off. You don't have to do that

00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:51.500
for 50 years. Someone else can take over. Yeah,

00:45:51.619 --> 00:45:54.320
truly. I mean, he's still doing it. He's still

00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:56.980
kicking. I don't know what's up next. I feel

00:45:56.980 --> 00:45:59.860
like the craziest thing about, I mean, it's been

00:45:59.860 --> 00:46:03.380
talked about a billion times, but the Tuesday

00:46:03.380 --> 00:46:06.539
night writer night into the table read is just

00:46:06.539 --> 00:46:09.280
like the best and worst night of your life, and

00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:11.539
then you have to repeat it 20 times that year.

00:46:12.780 --> 00:46:15.699
But I would just write until, I would start around

00:46:15.699 --> 00:46:18.920
like 3 or 4 p .m., because nobody gets into the

00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:22.380
office before, like, 12. No, I would say before

00:46:22.380 --> 00:46:24.880
like five really and then you take your meeting

00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:27.559
with the host and then I would write overnight

00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:31.260
until They wanted scripts in I think by 1 p .m.

00:46:31.260 --> 00:46:34.219
Or something like the next day so I'd write up

00:46:34.219 --> 00:46:38.019
into the wire turn my scripts in and Then I shared

00:46:38.019 --> 00:46:40.900
an office with the sheer and I would go sleep

00:46:40.900 --> 00:46:43.820
on the couch For an hour and a half then I would

00:46:43.820 --> 00:46:47.579
go sneak into them the employee gym Shower put

00:46:47.579 --> 00:46:49.300
on my same clothes and then go sit there like

00:46:49.300 --> 00:46:52.460
a four -hour table read And just watch my sketches

00:46:52.460 --> 00:46:56.900
get ripped apart Just drop it on the ground Yeah,

00:46:56.900 --> 00:46:58.400
and then you have to hang for like four more

00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:00.579
hours and that's kind of a fun time because everybody's

00:47:00.579 --> 00:47:02.340
just like now it's like beer o 'clock and people

00:47:02.340 --> 00:47:04.960
are like watching TV and you're like hanging

00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.480
out in your offices as they like make the decisions

00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.320
of right all the head writers like going to the

00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:11.679
office and then they come out and truly post

00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.659
Like a list of sketches that made it and didn't

00:47:14.659 --> 00:47:17.059
like it's a high school musical audition like

00:47:17.059 --> 00:47:18.659
they come in and put it on the wall and then

00:47:18.659 --> 00:47:20.219
somebody runs down the hallway and it's like

00:47:20.510 --> 00:47:22.210
picks her up, picks her up, picks her up, and

00:47:22.210 --> 00:47:23.510
everybody stops what they're doing and races

00:47:23.510 --> 00:47:26.190
out to see it. It's the most silly thing. What

00:47:26.190 --> 00:47:29.090
an intense, that's such a trip. And at the end

00:47:29.090 --> 00:47:31.389
of the day, it's still just comedy. Yeah, at

00:47:31.389 --> 00:47:32.210
the end of the day it's still comedy. It's still

00:47:32.210 --> 00:47:36.510
just like Meryl Streep making vagina jokes. Yeah,

00:47:36.510 --> 00:47:40.510
yeah, exactly. World changing stuff. You know,

00:47:40.809 --> 00:47:44.349
but like, I mean, how is it to write, because

00:47:44.349 --> 00:47:47.030
the host can sometimes obviously be someone who

00:47:47.030 --> 00:47:49.469
can do it, you know, where it's like, hey, you're

00:47:49.469 --> 00:47:52.239
in comedy. Like you're clearly going to be good

00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:53.780
or someone who's experienced been through the

00:47:53.780 --> 00:47:56.599
week before versus someone who's not in comedy

00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:58.480
hasn't done it before. You have to like, I imagine

00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.280
change up what you're doing for each host a little

00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:03.780
bit. Well, it's, it's kind of nice because, you

00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:06.000
know, it gives you somebody to write for. So

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.880
it's not just like new week, just blank slate

00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.820
of what's a sketch, you know, I didn't, we didn't

00:48:11.820 --> 00:48:14.340
have any terrible hosts. I think like Donald

00:48:14.340 --> 00:48:17.039
Trump like hosted the following year or something,

00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:21.019
but I wasn't around for that. Uh, but. I liked

00:48:21.019 --> 00:48:23.699
everybody. It's funny, the ones I thought would

00:48:23.699 --> 00:48:26.960
be fantastic often weren't. And the ones that

00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:28.360
I would be like, well, this guy's going to be

00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.900
a stinker. We're always like surprising. Maybe

00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:34.440
that's just expectation. Yeah. Well, like I kind

00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:37.239
of, and this is unfair because I like respect

00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.980
her, but like there's a Sarah Silverman hosted

00:48:39.980 --> 00:48:42.460
and I kind of knew her from like the comedy store

00:48:42.460 --> 00:48:44.639
and doing standup in LA and that we had mutual

00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:47.199
friends and stuff. And so I was really excited

00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:48.199
for her to come through. I was like, I'm going

00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:51.219
to have a buddy. And I got her like weed. Like,

00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:52.900
cause I was like, you know, it wasn't weed. You

00:48:52.900 --> 00:48:54.659
couldn't buy weed everywhere yet. So I like,

00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:57.619
I like got weed from my dealer and she's a big

00:48:57.619 --> 00:48:59.579
pothead and I was in our writer's meeting. I

00:48:59.579 --> 00:49:02.300
was just going to give her weed and like didn't

00:49:02.300 --> 00:49:04.460
think that she's probably already figured that

00:49:04.460 --> 00:49:09.199
out and also doesn't want my weed. But so she

00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:11.179
took the weed, but also I think she kind of came

00:49:11.179 --> 00:49:14.059
in. This is unfair. This is going to be like

00:49:14.059 --> 00:49:16.559
the headline from this podcast. uh, I think she

00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:19.179
came to she I think also got wronged by SNL I

00:49:19.179 --> 00:49:21.400
think she was like a writer and then put on the

00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.739
cast for a year and then demoted and then fired

00:49:23.739 --> 00:49:27.639
so I think she kind of came in like You know

00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.179
with with the chip on her shoulder, which is

00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:33.360
completely understandable. It's a very scarring

00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:37.619
show. So And also I think as the comedians knew

00:49:37.619 --> 00:49:39.800
what they wanted to do So they were less interested

00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:42.340
in working with the writers, you know, so in

00:49:42.340 --> 00:49:45.099
addition, she's like, well, I'm I'm Sarah Silverman

00:49:45.099 --> 00:49:47.239
I'm gonna listen to this guy who who tried to

00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:51.300
buy me with weed Like who's this guy she can

00:49:51.300 --> 00:49:53.519
write, you know, like yeah, she's a great writer.

00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:57.239
Yeah, so I imagine becomes kind of Complicated

00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:59.619
if you're working with like Peyton Manning, he's

00:49:59.619 --> 00:50:01.659
not yeah, he's gonna. Yeah, he's like, please

00:50:01.659 --> 00:50:06.860
help He does great, yeah. And also, you know

00:50:06.860 --> 00:50:09.179
his limitations. All he has to do is read a cue

00:50:09.179 --> 00:50:12.639
card and throw a fake turkey through a window.

00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:17.699
Yeah, or just be a dick to kids. But, I mean,

00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:21.340
I don't know. There's something about that show

00:50:21.340 --> 00:50:23.280
that, and I don't know what's going to happen

00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:25.159
when Lauren dies, because it's going to at some

00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:29.780
point. Because he is so involved, I don't know

00:50:29.780 --> 00:50:32.599
where that goes. There's not a protector of the

00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.130
show anymore. Know I mean, you know, they always

00:50:35.130 --> 00:50:36.889
say like Tina Fey will do it. I don't think she

00:50:36.889 --> 00:50:40.449
would do it Maybe like ten years ago. I'm sure

00:50:40.449 --> 00:50:44.389
they're I mean the the head writers now I Are

00:50:44.389 --> 00:50:47.210
great. Like it's Mikey Day and Streeter Seidel.

00:50:47.210 --> 00:50:50.909
I think at least they were last time I know Jost

00:50:50.909 --> 00:50:54.969
is something yeah, Colin just might be as well.

00:50:55.010 --> 00:50:57.010
Yeah, and he's been maybe like the head writer

00:50:57.010 --> 00:50:59.880
of You know the weekend update portions. I mean

00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:01.900
he was the head writer when I was there Yeah,

00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:03.820
there was like three of them. I'm sure there's

00:51:03.820 --> 00:51:06.019
somebody who could take up the mantle. I mean,

00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:10.059
I think you lose the like myth and the lore of

00:51:10.059 --> 00:51:14.539
of it not being Lauren, you know, but and also

00:51:14.539 --> 00:51:17.269
it's like it's funny because it's like everybody

00:51:17.269 --> 00:51:19.590
says like you could do that so much better why

00:51:19.590 --> 00:51:22.110
do you only write overnight one night a week

00:51:22.110 --> 00:51:24.769
and i think that's a remnant from like cocaine

00:51:24.769 --> 00:51:27.730
the roaring cocaine 70s and 80s because you could

00:51:27.730 --> 00:51:31.030
and yeah of course it is uh and it's kind of

00:51:31.030 --> 00:51:34.210
a production necessity too um but there's no

00:51:34.210 --> 00:51:36.389
reason why we can't start monday morning and

00:51:36.389 --> 00:51:38.769
then and write for you know nine hours and then

00:51:38.769 --> 00:51:41.369
go home have dinner and then do it again tuesday

00:51:41.690 --> 00:51:44.030
but there's something exciting about it and there's

00:51:44.030 --> 00:51:46.130
something about like that pressure cooker that

00:51:46.130 --> 00:51:49.510
I think is magical and so it's like you almost

00:51:49.510 --> 00:51:51.929
wouldn't even if you came in and you're like

00:51:51.929 --> 00:51:53.550
we're you know we're easing up the production

00:51:53.550 --> 00:51:56.030
schedule and you know nobody can stay overnight

00:51:56.030 --> 00:51:57.789
anymore I just don't know if it would be the

00:51:57.789 --> 00:52:00.269
same like it's everybody would be live longer

00:52:00.269 --> 00:52:02.750
and be happier but that's not what you're there

00:52:02.750 --> 00:52:05.349
for I mean a lot of the original people are still

00:52:05.349 --> 00:52:07.840
around So many it does work. Maybe there's a

00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.039
secret to it. It's like Keith Richards is still

00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:13.719
fine. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, how how does

00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:17.719
it change writing comedy for a live sketch show

00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:22.840
versus, you know, not live, but still people

00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.300
like a live action sitcom style, then like animated

00:52:27.300 --> 00:52:29.480
like Rick and Morty or the animation domination

00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:32.019
stuff? Because they're all different categories.

00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:34.880
Yeah, they're all different. I mean, it's all

00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:37.679
just different. Like, ball games you know it's

00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:42.199
like for SNL it's you've such limited time you

00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.340
got to like get it out early and you got it you

00:52:44.340 --> 00:52:46.300
know like you have to find the joke really early

00:52:46.300 --> 00:52:48.139
and get it out and that seems like a certain

00:52:48.139 --> 00:52:53.380
pressure you don't get in other places yeah i

00:52:53.380 --> 00:52:55.900
mean i would say the skill that kind of crosses

00:52:55.900 --> 00:53:00.179
over is there's so many times on tuesday night

00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:02.239
when I would be like banging my head against

00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:04.159
the wall. I would like go outside to call my

00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:06.599
girlfriend who had lost her job and was now back

00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:09.980
in LA. And it'd be like four in the morning.

00:53:09.980 --> 00:53:12.380
And I'd just be like, I'm not funny. I can't

00:53:12.380 --> 00:53:14.659
do this. I'm not funny. They're laughing in the

00:53:14.659 --> 00:53:16.420
office next to me. They're writing something

00:53:16.420 --> 00:53:19.239
funny. They have props. I don't have any props.

00:53:19.739 --> 00:53:22.099
And I'm like gonna fucking lose my, and she would

00:53:22.099 --> 00:53:23.980
just talk me off that ledge and you go back in.

00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:26.420
And I think with the skill that crosses over

00:53:26.420 --> 00:53:29.619
is like, You know with Rick and Morty it's like

00:53:29.619 --> 00:53:32.199
you have two weeks to write a 36 page script

00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:36.739
and then you just you which is a quite a longer

00:53:36.739 --> 00:53:38.639
amount of time but also more pages and maybe

00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:40.539
more consideration is that you just have to get

00:53:40.539 --> 00:53:43.239
it done like you can't wait for you can't wait

00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:48.059
for the inspiration like the work kind of the

00:53:48.059 --> 00:53:51.059
jokes follow the work like just the act of writing

00:53:51.059 --> 00:53:53.670
it and that was an incredible skill to learn

00:53:53.670 --> 00:53:55.969
is like you just you can't you don't have there's

00:53:55.969 --> 00:53:57.889
no time to sit around and like bounce a wall

00:53:57.889 --> 00:53:59.909
up ball off the wall and go like what's a what's

00:53:59.909 --> 00:54:02.849
a funny thing for the rock to do what should

00:54:02.849 --> 00:54:05.809
the what should the rock do like you kind of

00:54:05.809 --> 00:54:09.409
just have to like let it rip and then like just

00:54:09.409 --> 00:54:11.510
let the keys fly and then you look at it and

00:54:11.510 --> 00:54:13.449
go no that's not funny and then do that again

00:54:13.449 --> 00:54:16.699
and again yeah i mean the There's, I'm trying

00:54:16.699 --> 00:54:18.239
to remember the exact saying, but it's something

00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:20.860
along the lines of we don't go on at 1130 because

00:54:20.860 --> 00:54:24.039
we're ready. We go on at 1130 because it's 1130.

00:54:25.420 --> 00:54:29.219
Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, I don't know.

00:54:29.219 --> 00:54:31.480
I really operate well with deadlines. I kind

00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:34.900
of need them. Like I'm debilitatingly, I'll procrastinate

00:54:34.900 --> 00:54:37.239
forever without him. So it was nice to have that

00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.820
built in one every time. And I try to like...

00:54:41.070 --> 00:54:44.690
You know created a fake version of that went

00:54:44.690 --> 00:54:47.949
with my own work, but it's just impossible I

00:54:47.949 --> 00:54:50.369
mean because I know I can do I got another day

00:54:50.369 --> 00:54:54.590
if I need it You know yourself you go yeah, I

00:54:54.590 --> 00:54:58.429
cannot trick myself after you leave SNL you go

00:54:58.429 --> 00:55:04.349
back to Acting kind of yeah, right why? well

00:55:04.349 --> 00:55:09.369
the I mean, I always consider myself an actor

00:55:09.369 --> 00:55:11.630
more than a writer. And then I just kept on getting

00:55:11.630 --> 00:55:13.809
writing jobs. So I was like, okay, world, I see

00:55:13.809 --> 00:55:19.869
you. But the year before when I wasn't at SNL

00:55:19.869 --> 00:55:23.230
yet, I auditioned for this show called Dream

00:55:23.230 --> 00:55:27.070
Corp LLC that was on Adult Swim. And I got it

00:55:27.070 --> 00:55:28.869
and we shot the pilot and I was like kind of

00:55:28.869 --> 00:55:30.630
this guest star on it. I was just like the patient

00:55:30.630 --> 00:55:33.510
of the week. We shot it in the summer. I found

00:55:33.510 --> 00:55:34.909
out I was going to SNL. They called me to go

00:55:34.909 --> 00:55:37.090
to SNL and it was like, great. They called me

00:55:37.090 --> 00:55:38.550
on a Thursday and like, great, can you be here

00:55:38.550 --> 00:55:42.730
Monday? So that's how fast it moves. And I went

00:55:42.730 --> 00:55:46.250
to SNL, came back for the summer break. And like

00:55:46.250 --> 00:55:49.050
the day I landed, Danny Stesson, who created

00:55:49.050 --> 00:55:52.170
DreamCorp, he like calls me and he's like, we

00:55:52.170 --> 00:55:55.699
got picked up. We're getting six episodes. I'm

00:55:55.699 --> 00:55:57.599
changing your role. I want you to be in every

00:55:57.599 --> 00:55:59.539
episode So you're gonna be kind of like this

00:55:59.539 --> 00:56:02.139
assistant slash janitor, right? And I want you

00:56:02.139 --> 00:56:05.340
to help me write all the episodes and I was like,

00:56:05.780 --> 00:56:08.000
okay, man But I'm going back to SNL in two months

00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:10.659
So if we can write a full season of TV in two

00:56:10.659 --> 00:56:12.460
months, we're game but other than that I got

00:56:12.460 --> 00:56:15.059
to go back to New York and then I found out I

00:56:15.059 --> 00:56:18.940
wasn't going back so it like It like pigeon or

00:56:18.940 --> 00:56:22.000
what is that dovetailed perfectly into Dream

00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.420
Corp? And then we made Dream Corp for like seven

00:56:24.420 --> 00:56:27.500
years or something Maybe not that long, but we

00:56:27.500 --> 00:56:29.380
did three seasons of Dream Corp. It ran for a

00:56:29.380 --> 00:56:32.119
while Yeah, and there was a long production and

00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:36.260
we had a lot of time like to get it written so

00:56:36.260 --> 00:56:40.159
that was just kind of the combination of acting

00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:43.340
and writing and then along that time Mike McMahon

00:56:43.340 --> 00:56:46.159
like kind of near the end of Dream Corp Mike

00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:48.360
McMahon, who was a Rick and Morty writer at the

00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:50.679
time, was leaving to go do other things, and

00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:52.780
he's always just been a fan. I forget how we

00:56:52.780 --> 00:56:56.139
met. Oh, we met in adults and ADHD, like in Fox.

00:56:57.380 --> 00:56:59.840
And he was like, you should meet Dan. I think

00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:01.239
he'd be great for this show. And I was like,

00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:03.760
what's Rick and Morty? And then I met Dan and

00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:05.539
worked with him a little bit, and then kind of

00:57:05.539 --> 00:57:08.559
dovetailed into that job. Then I was a writer

00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:13.119
again. Because I've always loved Dan as a writer.

00:57:14.019 --> 00:57:20.449
What's he like? Dan is really really good at

00:57:20.449 --> 00:57:26.409
Story and structure and dialogue and and I think

00:57:26.409 --> 00:57:31.409
he just does not he just would rather like build

00:57:31.409 --> 00:57:35.250
tunnels under his house and And what would work?

00:57:35.489 --> 00:57:37.829
I think he's done it for a very long time I think

00:57:37.829 --> 00:57:39.690
he didn't get a lot of respect for it for a very

00:57:39.690 --> 00:57:41.949
long time and I think there's part of him that

00:57:41.949 --> 00:57:44.030
is just like why do I have to keep doing this

00:57:44.030 --> 00:57:46.800
right, but he's very generous when like You know,

00:57:47.219 --> 00:57:50.579
he's very generous with his advice, and he makes

00:57:50.579 --> 00:57:53.320
things so much better. He's just pulled in different

00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:55.619
directions, so it's like when he's not around,

00:57:55.699 --> 00:57:57.179
you're kind of like, how do we make this more

00:57:57.179 --> 00:57:59.500
Dan? And then he'll come in for a table read

00:57:59.500 --> 00:58:03.179
and make his adjustments, and then it becomes

00:58:03.179 --> 00:58:06.079
more Dan. But I just spent the whole weekend

00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.920
with him at Comic -Con, and I don't know, he's

00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:10.960
a great guy. I feel like he's got a bad rap.

00:58:11.179 --> 00:58:15.699
for, you know, maybe accurate reasons, but I

00:58:15.699 --> 00:58:18.460
think that's what, for the one question after

00:58:18.460 --> 00:58:19.820
Rick and Morty, everybody was like, what's it

00:58:19.820 --> 00:58:21.539
like working with Dan? So what's it like working

00:58:21.539 --> 00:58:23.460
with Dan? And I thought he was lovely. We got

00:58:23.460 --> 00:58:25.760
along great. That makes me so happy to hear.

00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:29.519
Yeah. Yeah. We got along great. I mean, it's

00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:32.219
kind of going from one show with a dominating

00:58:32.219 --> 00:58:35.780
personality to another show with a dominating

00:58:35.780 --> 00:58:40.119
personality. I guess so. in kind of a very different

00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:45.880
way, it seems like, you know? But I mean, I remember

00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:49.260
when Rick and Morty came out, you know, it's

00:58:49.260 --> 00:58:50.860
another one of those things where like animated

00:58:50.860 --> 00:58:53.239
TV had been around a while, right? Family Guy

00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:55.219
at the Simpsons, they had all done weird shit,

00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:57.360
right? Then I was like, all of a sudden I was

00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:01.940
like, this is really weird shit, you know? And

00:59:01.940 --> 00:59:04.340
like, I'm always fascinated with people that

00:59:04.340 --> 00:59:07.280
can get away with weird shit. you know, for an

00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:09.860
extended period of time and like make other people

00:59:09.860 --> 00:59:13.239
buy into it. You guys make people invest like

00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:15.880
heavily into it? Yeah, you know, I mean like

00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:19.420
now you can go to Walmart and buy Rick and Morty

00:59:19.420 --> 00:59:22.760
pants, you know? And like if you really think

00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:26.699
about that, that's odd. That is odd. A show that

00:59:26.699 --> 00:59:30.000
started with like a grandpa making his grandson

00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.260
shove like spiky seeds up his asshole to smuggle

00:59:33.260 --> 00:59:36.159
them back to earth. Yeah. And now Walmart is

00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:38.679
like, hey Asian kids, make us pants we can sell

00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:41.280
to middle America. Right, right. Everybody will

00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:43.519
buy this. And there's not a head shop in the

00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:45.860
world that doesn't have like a Pickle Rick bong.

00:59:45.980 --> 00:59:48.920
Yeah, it's a, I don't know. It's, I mean, you

00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:50.920
also are involved with the Eric Andre show, which

00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.980
is another thing, another institution, weird

00:59:53.980 --> 00:59:57.639
shit, you know? Like, yeah. Oh yeah. I mean,

00:59:57.780 --> 00:59:59.719
Eric, Eric is fantastic. I've known him for a

00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:03.239
very long time and um, He's also just ballsy

01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:06.260
as fuck too and he like Because now his stuff

01:00:06.260 --> 01:00:08.800
is like popping up online like old Eric Andre

01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:10.920
sketches I just saw one today where he's like

01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:13.480
he's my alien dad and he just like pops out of

01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:16.019
a laundromat naked with like goo on his head

01:00:16.019 --> 01:00:18.900
and like people are swinging at him he did that

01:00:18.900 --> 01:00:22.199
for like six seasons and made jack shit for like

01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:24.780
most of them like only as it got near the end

01:00:24.780 --> 01:00:27.099
was it like starting to like, you know pay off,

01:00:27.099 --> 01:00:30.880
but He's a good guy I mean, there's there's something

01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.800
about like very absurdist comedy Yeah, you don't

01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:36.380
have to rein it in do you and like I also think

01:00:36.380 --> 01:00:40.239
that now absurdist comedy in the past like seven

01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:43.340
to ten years has gotten the pretty big resurgence,

01:00:43.659 --> 01:00:46.099
you know, we're like shows like Eric Andre or

01:00:46.099 --> 01:00:48.000
Tim Robinson stuff with I think you should leave

01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:51.360
and Detroiters like Those are weird fucking shows.

01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:55.039
Yeah, you know But all of a sudden there seems

01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:58.360
to be an appetite from the you know, the TV viewing

01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:00.559
demo or Streaming viewing whatever however people

01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:03.699
fucking watch stuff Demographic where they don't

01:01:03.699 --> 01:01:06.579
want like the straight Roseanne style comedy

01:01:06.579 --> 01:01:09.539
anymore They want it to be like some kind of

01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:13.420
weird uncanny Valley comedy. Yeah Yeah, I wish

01:01:13.420 --> 01:01:15.579
I was better at like following trends and stuff

01:01:15.579 --> 01:01:18.300
or like speaking on them But I mean there still

01:01:18.300 --> 01:01:20.840
are they're still making multicam sitcoms, you

01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:24.000
know, and they still do really well like I Think

01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:27.800
it's there's just more avenues and there's more

01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:31.579
Or it's like we grew up watching our parents

01:01:31.579 --> 01:01:34.079
watch Roseanne and then we're like, well, I don't

01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:36.840
know any of what this is about. And then so somebody

01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:38.920
comes out and he like farts out of his ears and

01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:41.659
you're like, now that's my shit. That's my shit.

01:01:41.699 --> 01:01:44.119
Well, the world is pretty fucking absurd right

01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:46.519
now. Yeah. And it feels like it's getting more

01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:48.780
absurd every day. Yeah. So I feel like absurdity

01:01:48.780 --> 01:01:50.760
making a resurgence is pretty apt right now.

01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:53.780
I mean, I think it's interesting that... The

01:01:53.780 --> 01:01:55.860
Big Bang Theory had a spin -off, right? Like

01:01:55.860 --> 01:01:57.199
The Big Bang Theory is like one of the biggest

01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.500
shows of all time. I've never seen it. It's fine.

01:01:59.920 --> 01:02:04.079
It's not, I don't know. I've seen like one. Yeah,

01:02:04.260 --> 01:02:07.079
then they have a spin -off that's a normal show,

01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:09.059
right? And then they have another spin -off that's

01:02:09.059 --> 01:02:11.619
a normal show. And now they have a spin -off

01:02:11.619 --> 01:02:14.900
where it's alternate dimensions, and Brian Poseyne

01:02:14.900 --> 01:02:17.199
and Lauren Lapkiss are in it, and the main characters

01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:20.340
are like getting killed and shit. Is that what

01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:25.960
that is? Yeah, dude. That's related to to the

01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:29.559
Big Bang Theory, huh? I'd know that's in the

01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:32.019
Big Bang averse. I had no idea Yeah, like they're

01:02:32.019 --> 01:02:33.679
stuck in all these I don't know my dad told me

01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:36.260
about the first episode and it's like an apocalyptic

01:02:36.260 --> 01:02:39.710
universe and like Raj gets like shot in the first

01:02:39.710 --> 01:02:42.510
five minutes and they're trying to get out of

01:02:42.510 --> 01:02:44.610
this apocalypse type thing and like what the

01:02:44.610 --> 01:02:48.989
fuck is that like they're getting more creative

01:02:48.989 --> 01:02:51.050
or is that just they're throwing anything at

01:02:51.050 --> 01:02:52.929
the wall to get mine i mean brian posain and

01:02:52.929 --> 01:02:55.489
lauren lapkus and they're all good like it's

01:02:55.489 --> 01:02:58.130
a good they're all good yeah you know uh and

01:02:58.130 --> 01:03:00.329
it's a good cast of people that have been doing

01:03:00.329 --> 01:03:03.780
kind of weird comedy for a long time yeah Yeah,

01:03:03.780 --> 01:03:10.340
for sure. So it's interesting to me that a machine

01:03:10.340 --> 01:03:12.260
like the Big Bang Theory with that much money

01:03:12.260 --> 01:03:15.679
and that much time behind it decided to be like,

01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:18.420
how fucking weird can it get? It's get weird.

01:03:19.780 --> 01:03:23.980
I mean, is it good is a question of taste. I

01:03:23.980 --> 01:03:28.719
haven't seen it. But is it a cash grab is really

01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:33.260
like, is that a Chuck Lorre show? Probably. Hey,

01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:36.199
if you put, if you slap Big Bang Theory on anything,

01:03:36.340 --> 01:03:38.320
then we immediately have like five million people

01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:40.599
who are interested. But how many of those people

01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:42.380
are gonna watch this and be like, oh, no, thank

01:03:42.380 --> 01:03:46.659
you. What did you do? That's not George and Mandy's

01:03:46.659 --> 01:03:50.519
first marriage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. That

01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:53.460
would be hilarious. I like that, though. That's

01:03:53.460 --> 01:03:55.619
funny to me that I had no idea was like attached

01:03:55.619 --> 01:03:57.400
to that in any way. I've been wanting to watch

01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:59.340
that. Yeah, man, because like it doesn't look

01:03:59.340 --> 01:04:03.230
like it. No, it doesn't at all. And I mean, what's

01:04:03.230 --> 01:04:05.289
it called? I think it's now we're just pushing

01:04:05.289 --> 01:04:07.630
the fucking big bang. I know I'm just putting

01:04:07.630 --> 01:04:12.130
money in Chuck Lor's pocket Yeah, there's a big

01:04:12.130 --> 01:04:14.869
bang talk Well, I didn't know they had I know

01:04:14.869 --> 01:04:16.889
the young Sheldon, but there was another one.

01:04:16.889 --> 01:04:20.010
Yeah, man. There was another one but I mean,

01:04:20.050 --> 01:04:24.070
I don't know it's It does I mean it does numbers,

01:04:24.090 --> 01:04:27.809
but I just I just found it interesting that they

01:04:27.809 --> 01:04:31.710
decided to go crazy You know, I like that I like

01:04:31.710 --> 01:04:34.590
that in a way that's kind of fun. Yeah in some

01:04:34.590 --> 01:04:36.869
ways It seems like it might be inspired by like

01:04:36.869 --> 01:04:40.389
the Rick and Morty type animation Because it

01:04:40.389 --> 01:04:43.829
is I mean being stuck in an alternate universe

01:04:43.829 --> 01:04:45.710
and a main character getting killed is some Rick

01:04:45.710 --> 01:04:49.670
and Morty shit Yeah, I don't know who like started

01:04:49.670 --> 01:04:53.369
and I'm sure it was like a DC comic or a Marvel

01:04:53.369 --> 01:04:56.710
like series But then the world got obsessed with

01:04:56.710 --> 01:04:59.889
multiverses. Yeah Yeah, it was like everything

01:04:59.889 --> 01:05:01.670
had a multiverse and then that was an excuse

01:05:01.670 --> 01:05:05.269
for everything. I mean, it's pretty smart. You

01:05:05.269 --> 01:05:07.409
can make a million Spider -Mans in a multiverse.

01:05:07.789 --> 01:05:09.929
And you can kill people and bring them back and

01:05:09.929 --> 01:05:11.949
do whatever the fuck you want. I don't know,

01:05:12.530 --> 01:05:15.590
it's an odd landscape. What are you working on

01:05:15.590 --> 01:05:20.440
right now? I'm working with Danny again. We have

01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:25.219
a television show that we are trying to It's

01:05:25.219 --> 01:05:28.059
it's pretty new but somebody's interested and

01:05:28.059 --> 01:05:31.880
I know they wanted lame way to end a podcast

01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:36.019
And then other than that like I'm kind of freelancing

01:05:36.019 --> 01:05:40.500
like I I do a lot of punch -up stuff occasionally

01:05:40.500 --> 01:05:46.420
I'm developing stuff. I sold a show to this company

01:05:46.809 --> 01:05:50.429
Called review is animated show and we are just

01:05:50.429 --> 01:05:53.170
working on a proof -of -concept Presentation

01:05:53.170 --> 01:05:55.269
exactly like the good neighbor pilot from forever

01:05:55.269 --> 01:05:57.710
ago. So, you know, I've learned to not get too

01:05:57.710 --> 01:05:59.809
excited about anything I've just been a I'm just

01:05:59.809 --> 01:06:04.210
a resentful downer But it's all in the it's all

01:06:04.210 --> 01:06:07.030
in the somewhat dystopic weird sci -fi world,

01:06:07.030 --> 01:06:10.909
you know, I just love that shit. So Hey, thanks

01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:16.400
I'm kind of curious. So when you're selling a

01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:21.840
show, what does that entail? And how long does

01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:23.599
it actually take before you know that show is

01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:25.539
going to be aired? Yeah, doesn't it take forever?

01:06:25.900 --> 01:06:30.119
It takes forever. I mean, I think I pitched this

01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:38.019
to the guy. I want to say easily a year ago,

01:06:38.059 --> 01:06:40.400
maybe longer. And then it took like three months

01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:41.780
for them to go like, yeah, great. Okay, we're

01:06:41.780 --> 01:06:43.340
gonna do it. We're gonna do this. And then now

01:06:43.340 --> 01:06:45.019
our business affairs are gonna draft the deal.

01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.619
And that took no joke, like six months. Jesus

01:06:47.619 --> 01:06:50.360
Christ. And honestly, I want to say like a month

01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:51.980
and a half ago, they're like, great, we're happy

01:06:51.980 --> 01:06:53.820
with the deal. All my reps are like, we love

01:06:53.820 --> 01:06:55.739
the deal. We're good with the deal. Man, we got

01:06:55.739 --> 01:06:57.360
some great stuff in this deal. It's a great deal.

01:06:57.460 --> 01:06:58.699
I was like, great, can I get to work? And they're

01:06:58.699 --> 01:07:00.539
like... No, no, they got it. We got a few things

01:07:00.539 --> 01:07:05.119
with the deal we got to deal with. I swear to

01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:07.599
God. And like, I still don't know. And then I

01:07:07.599 --> 01:07:09.059
started working on it. I was like, okay, whatever.

01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:10.679
I'll just start working on it. You know, like

01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:12.639
whatever. Then when they, the money comes, I'll

01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:15.760
just be like, it's done. And my manager was like,

01:07:16.380 --> 01:07:17.679
no, we're still, they're still working on the

01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:20.019
deal. And then when the deal comes through, then

01:07:20.019 --> 01:07:21.519
you can start work, but don't start working until

01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:24.280
then. We do like a deal though. Yeah, but they

01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:26.670
love the deal. I don't know what it, but it's

01:07:26.670 --> 01:07:28.769
also completely different. You know, I'm sure

01:07:28.769 --> 01:07:32.010
this same thing, like, I'm sure Harmon can like,

01:07:32.010 --> 01:07:34.210
you know, they just released a Rick and Morrie

01:07:34.210 --> 01:07:36.570
spinoff called president Curtis and I think it

01:07:36.570 --> 01:07:40.949
just aired Sunday maybe. Um, and I'm sure when

01:07:40.949 --> 01:07:43.090
that other than the deal taken forever, I'm sure

01:07:43.090 --> 01:07:45.070
he goes up to like adult swim and is like, Hey,

01:07:45.090 --> 01:07:46.389
let's do another show. And they're like, yeah,

01:07:46.389 --> 01:07:48.989
okay. It's done. And then they do a year and

01:07:48.989 --> 01:07:51.829
a half deal, but animation takes forever, man.

01:07:51.889 --> 01:07:54.349
And it just takes so long. Unless you're Trey

01:07:54.349 --> 01:07:57.420
Parker and Matt Stone. It and with animation

01:07:57.420 --> 01:08:00.800
now because it's obviously changed very drastically

01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:03.519
in the past 50 years You know the original scooby

01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:06.500
-doo backdrops were paintings. Yeah, beautiful

01:08:06.500 --> 01:08:10.480
But they are beautiful. You know now I mean it's

01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:13.420
not people painting and shooting through different

01:08:13.420 --> 01:08:16.420
You know glass screens for you know perspective

01:08:16.420 --> 01:08:19.960
and all that kind of shit I would have assumed

01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:22.020
the animation would be quicker because you can

01:08:22.020 --> 01:08:25.770
computerize it but I have no concept of how animation

01:08:25.770 --> 01:08:29.909
works. I guess I don't either. Yeah, you're right.

01:08:30.109 --> 01:08:34.390
It should be. I mean, I guess to do, you know,

01:08:34.430 --> 01:08:36.270
they also like cycle, they use like a lot of

01:08:36.270 --> 01:08:39.050
repeating like animation cycles. So when Scooby

01:08:39.050 --> 01:08:40.750
Doo is running, it's like six frames, just like,

01:08:41.149 --> 01:08:44.010
I think like when you look at, there was a lot

01:08:44.010 --> 01:08:45.770
of episodes, but also I think it was the same

01:08:45.770 --> 01:08:48.170
like Daphne or standing around and like, you

01:08:48.170 --> 01:08:50.859
know, just changing the lip flap. I think the

01:08:50.859 --> 01:08:52.899
audiences are more savvy and so now there's like

01:08:52.899 --> 01:08:56.060
3d animation in there and there's I mean, it's

01:08:56.060 --> 01:08:58.199
also like farmed all over the place You know

01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:00.760
so much of it's done in house at Rick and Morty

01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:03.359
But really only to some extent and then backgrounds

01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:05.060
are done in house and props are done in house

01:09:05.060 --> 01:09:09.479
character design. I mean, it's just Like animation

01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:11.220
coordinators like production coordinators that

01:09:11.220 --> 01:09:13.300
has to be the most stressful job in the world

01:09:13.300 --> 01:09:15.859
It's like nine pieces coming from like nine different

01:09:15.859 --> 01:09:18.729
studios stitched together I'm like, everybody's

01:09:18.729 --> 01:09:21.590
got a different schedule. But yeah, you would

01:09:21.590 --> 01:09:23.529
think, well, my fear is that it does become that,

01:09:23.670 --> 01:09:25.470
is that it becomes kind of mainstream that you

01:09:25.470 --> 01:09:27.850
can just pop it into like some AI and say, give

01:09:27.850 --> 01:09:30.149
me this, because I just, you know, I mean, I

01:09:30.149 --> 01:09:31.890
guess that's where we're headed anyway, but I

01:09:31.890 --> 01:09:33.850
don't think we have to be. No, I mean, that would

01:09:33.850 --> 01:09:36.270
suck. Like, I would much rather look at the same

01:09:36.270 --> 01:09:39.949
five backdrops that somebody hand -painted than

01:09:39.949 --> 01:09:43.250
a computer spitting out, you know, wildly different

01:09:43.250 --> 01:09:46.689
shit. Is there enough of that happening you think

01:09:46.689 --> 01:09:50.630
that we don't have to go that way They I'm like,

01:09:50.789 --> 01:09:53.189
you know, I mean I what's traditional like but

01:09:53.189 --> 01:09:55.689
five years ago animation two years ago animation

01:09:55.689 --> 01:10:00.689
I think so. I have it. I have a feeling that

01:10:00.689 --> 01:10:04.229
a lot of companies are doing and I this is like

01:10:04.229 --> 01:10:07.029
I have no idea but if you're a company and you're

01:10:07.029 --> 01:10:08.829
like you're an animation studio and you're like,

01:10:08.850 --> 01:10:12.170
well We could do these enemy we can do these

01:10:12.170 --> 01:10:14.430
backgrounds and half the time if we use a little

01:10:14.430 --> 01:10:17.229
bit of generative AI No, I have a feeling it's

01:10:17.229 --> 01:10:19.470
happening more than it's nobody's advertising

01:10:19.470 --> 01:10:22.470
like hey, this one's all AI hell Yeah, so I think

01:10:22.470 --> 01:10:24.789
it's being implemented. I haven't seen it on

01:10:24.789 --> 01:10:29.109
my personal. Yeah Like I have no idea and then

01:10:29.109 --> 01:10:31.689
also, you know, it's like I understand the argument

01:10:31.689 --> 01:10:34.390
of like well Photoshop is blah blah blah and

01:10:34.390 --> 01:10:36.750
so it's we have to have that we have to have

01:10:36.750 --> 01:10:41.000
the conversation of What does you know what qualifies

01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:44.119
as generative and like what doesn't and yeah,

01:10:44.380 --> 01:10:47.859
like we're Danny we did Dream Corp For years

01:10:47.859 --> 01:10:50.239
and the post was like a year and a half for each

01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:52.359
season, which was crazy It's wildly expensive

01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:54.899
and it was painstakingly like drawn of we would

01:10:54.899 --> 01:10:56.520
shoot all the live Everything was live -action

01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:59.539
then they would roto over it by hand And then

01:10:59.539 --> 01:11:01.739
like the next year after we were no longer on

01:11:01.739 --> 01:11:04.779
the air that company that who did all that this

01:11:04.779 --> 01:11:08.010
company called BMO like developed a tool that

01:11:08.010 --> 01:11:09.970
allowed that to be done way easier, which is

01:11:09.970 --> 01:11:12.670
a step away from AI. You know, it wasn't generative,

01:11:12.689 --> 01:11:14.449
but they just like, we programmed it. So now

01:11:14.449 --> 01:11:19.229
it'd be much easier. So it's like, is that, you

01:11:19.229 --> 01:11:20.829
know, it was that cheating. I mean, we never

01:11:20.829 --> 01:11:22.750
used it because we weren't making the show anymore,

01:11:22.750 --> 01:11:25.850
but like, you know, I don't know. I always sound

01:11:25.850 --> 01:11:29.689
like I'm defending AI and I hate it, but, uh,

01:11:29.949 --> 01:11:32.270
yeah, I don't know. I don't, I'm sure it's more

01:11:32.270 --> 01:11:35.289
of it's coming. I just hope. less if it's coming

01:11:35.289 --> 01:11:39.210
in these podcast studios because it keeps throwing

01:11:39.210 --> 01:11:45.569
like balloons above my head and yeah yeah wait

01:11:45.569 --> 01:11:47.750
does it do if you maybe it's my like computer

01:11:47.750 --> 01:11:52.789
there it is there there you go uh i mean netflix

01:11:52.789 --> 01:11:56.350
just admitted that they used ai in like 180 titles

01:11:56.350 --> 01:11:59.890
in the past couple i saw that yeah uh and it's

01:11:59.890 --> 01:12:03.350
annoying because nobody fucking caught it You

01:12:03.350 --> 01:12:05.710
know, yeah, but isn't it like oh that we wanted

01:12:05.710 --> 01:12:08.229
that window and they could cross the street we

01:12:08.229 --> 01:12:11.250
wanted the light to be on and We I don't know.

01:12:11.649 --> 01:12:13.970
Yeah, it's like we need more information. What

01:12:13.970 --> 01:12:16.470
does that mean? Yeah, it's uh, I don't know man

01:12:16.470 --> 01:12:19.229
It's it's a weird as long as my main thing is

01:12:19.229 --> 01:12:24.590
I don't want AI generating content That nobody

01:12:24.590 --> 01:12:28.289
writes that nobody voices that nobody acts in,

01:12:28.289 --> 01:12:31.149
you know, like all of that to me that internet

01:12:31.149 --> 01:12:34.640
spreads Like, you can make your own movie and

01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:36.239
have it be whatever you want. It's like, well,

01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:40.439
I don't want that. I want someone to make a movie

01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:42.340
and then I go, hey, that looks interesting. Then

01:12:42.340 --> 01:12:44.899
I see their vision of it. Yeah. And then you

01:12:44.899 --> 01:12:46.840
go, what else do they do? Oh, they did this little

01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:50.220
thing. And then I do think they'll be, you know,

01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:53.520
it'll be like, I guess the marijuana industry

01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:55.680
or the wine industry where you can get like two

01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:59.920
buck Chuck. but you can also go to get some really

01:12:59.920 --> 01:13:01.819
great wine. And I think they will definitely

01:13:01.819 --> 01:13:06.359
be like, you know, hey little kid, you can be

01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:09.579
Miles Morales, you can be in your very own Miles

01:13:09.579 --> 01:13:11.880
Morales movie and there'll be a market for that

01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:14.520
and you enter your mom as the aunt and whatever

01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:16.600
and it like, you get your own little, it outputs

01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:19.600
this movie for you. But I just, I don't think

01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:23.560
like just heart grown, homemade, you know, or

01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:27.649
handmade. Entertainment will ever go away. Yeah,

01:13:27.829 --> 01:13:30.909
I mean well, we're still around Yeah, yeah, I

01:13:30.909 --> 01:13:33.210
hope not. I mean, you know five years ago. I

01:13:33.210 --> 01:13:36.149
didn't hear the word AI ever now. Yeah my fucking

01:13:36.149 --> 01:13:39.470
life But you know, it's all kind of failing it's

01:13:39.470 --> 01:13:43.869
like I mean like It's like open AI is like gonna

01:13:43.869 --> 01:13:46.130
run out of money next year like they've just

01:13:46.130 --> 01:13:48.529
been trying to force this adoption without really

01:13:49.330 --> 01:13:51.130
having a business plan the business plan is just

01:13:51.130 --> 01:13:52.890
like well fuck we'll get a bunch of money and

01:13:52.890 --> 01:13:55.090
it's like SpaceX it's like we're not really gonna

01:13:55.090 --> 01:13:57.989
it's not really gonna land a rocket there but

01:13:57.989 --> 01:14:00.670
we can just raise a shit ton of money if we don't

01:14:00.670 --> 01:14:03.890
think what it could do they'll get the promise

01:14:03.890 --> 01:14:08.229
I don't mean it's all make -believe I'll make

01:14:08.229 --> 01:14:10.329
believe everything yeah leave anyway but I'd

01:14:10.329 --> 01:14:16.449
rather be made by people yeah you know But I

01:14:16.449 --> 01:14:18.710
want to see stuff get shoved up a grandpa's ass

01:14:18.710 --> 01:14:23.909
drawn by hand By overworked animators in the

01:14:23.909 --> 01:14:27.930
office building. Yeah Smoking guys at three in

01:14:27.930 --> 01:14:29.989
the morning trying to get it done before. Yeah.

01:14:30.069 --> 01:14:31.649
Yeah exactly figure out what the rock should

01:14:31.649 --> 01:14:40.430
do My pleasure this has been a real good time.

01:14:40.729 --> 01:14:42.350
Thanks guys. Appreciate it