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It's a departure from what I've been doing for

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the past 30 plus years, but in a weird way it's

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like something I've been carrying along with

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me, you know, all this time because I feel like

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there's aspects of Americana music that have

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kind of permeated through everything I've done

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as a musician and a writer. and this is just

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a more maybe realized, you know, this is a more

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specific version of that that's actually true

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to like, I mean, Americana is such a broad term,

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I would probably classify this new record coming

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out more as like a roots or classic country album,

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because it's really kind of based on like 1960s

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country artists that that are like my favorites.

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Like Ernest Tubb, Farron Young type stuff? Farron

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Young, Lefty Frizzell, Conway, Jim Reeves, Porter

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Wagner, and even some of the great female singers

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like Patsy Cline, Connie Smith, Loretta Lynn.

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All those records are huge influences on me.

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Well, let's go back. 30 years real quick because

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I don't know who you are You were in a band still

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in a band I guess called face to face face to

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face. It's like a so Cal punk band You know if

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you're thinking about so Cal Punk. That's exactly

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what it sounds like and you're from Victorville,

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California and California has a Americana sound

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to it. We'll get to that later But you grew up

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Victorville desert outside of LA How does face

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-to -face come together? Well when I was a kid

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I I knew pretty early I wanted to play music

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and I gravitated toward music, you know before

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I was even a teenager Not really knowing much

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about what I was doing and I got on I got on

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the keyboard first I grew up in a very musical

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house. My dad is a musician and and always played

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music my whole life. So, and then I have musical,

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I have music on my mom's side of the family too.

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So I just kind of grew up in that environment

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and it was something I was attracted to pretty

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young. Anyhow, just find, you know, Victorville

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is a really small town. It was at least back

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then. We moved there in the mid 70s. I think

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it was 75 or 76. There was really nothing out

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there. I remember correctly from the time I drove

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through it. It's like a desert. Absolutely. Yeah,

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it's the high desert and so like Palm Springs

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and Yucca Valley and that whole area is the low

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desert and Sperry and Victorville are the high

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desert. So we got snow, but they didn't down

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there. The elevation is pretty different from

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one desert to the other. But anyhow, Victorville

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is basically a place to fuel up and take a leak

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on your way to Vegas, you know, coming from Los

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Angeles. So there wasn't much out there and just

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through the circle of friends I grew up with

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in school whatever anyone who I would meet at

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school who played guitar or did anything drums

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or bass or whatever we I would try to get them

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to jam with me and over time I formed a band

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and you know we did all kinds of silly stuff

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to it was the Early 80s and so, you know, we

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were we had a cover band that played like everything

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from Van Halen to Duran Duran Early on what were

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you into growing up? What influences did your

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parents give you? Well my dad He played a lot

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of like classic like 50s and 60s rock and roll

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like oldies and then when we moved to the high

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desert he started playing country music because

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that's what was popular out there and And so

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I think I absorbed a lot of that through the

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music he was doing that was popular in the area,

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you know, in the late 70s and early 80s. So a

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lot of that kind of stuck with me. Of course,

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as a rebellious kid, I didn't like the music

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my parents were into, so I wanted to play rock

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music. And, you know, I liked heavier music and

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like Iron Maiden and stuff like that. And and

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then kind of gravitated more towards punk rock

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and bands like Bad Religion and Social Distortion

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and that type of thing and then We by the time

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we figured out what we wanted to do Me and my

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friends we made face to face which was kind of

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like an homage to bands like The Descendants

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and Social Distortion Bad Religion in that vein

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but more like pop -punk and I would draw a thread

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to it because it's the music is it's basically

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just pop songwriting but with a little bit of

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attitude right so we weren't like a hardcore

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band or anything we were basically just playing

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pop songs and that's a lot of you know was inspired

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by what my earlier ex you know exposure to music

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was which was Classic rock and roll country and

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that type of thing a lot of the same chord progressions

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and melodies and ideas So not that I was playing

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country then because I absolutely wasn't but

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um It's a very American style of rock and roll

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we weren't our punk rock we weren't like a British

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sounding punk band or no, it's Well, Southern

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California at the time also had I guess would

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be the second wave Punk coming up, you know after

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the original late seven. Yeah And same thing

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I grew up in DC. So we had you know, the original

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minor threat Iron Cross wave of That punk and

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then it took into more pop punk and then post

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punk Right, but LA had its own scene going on

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at the time But you were like an hour hour and

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a half outside of LA. Yeah, I mean if anything,

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I guess we're probably third wave face to face

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anyhow So, you know, that's a very DIY kind of

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thing. You know, jump in a van, go play shows

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wherever you can, meet people, try to get someone

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that has a label to record your record and put

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it out. And we did all that. Are you driving

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into LA to play shows? Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

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When I was in my early 20s and the band formed,

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we... I was doing construction at the time. So

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I'd work an eight or 10 hour day doing construction

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and then get in the car and drive to Orange County

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or Inland Empire, LA, and then play a show and

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then get back at. one o 'clock, two o 'clock

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in the morning, get up at six or seven and go

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do my construction job all over again. So it

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was a grind. But yeah, I bet you're happy that

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shit's over now. Yeah. Well, that was I mean,

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that feels like another life, man. I'm going

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to be 57 years old this year. So yeah, I feel

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that was a long time ago. But, you know, to me,

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it was worth it because I was passionate about

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playing music and. and doing that whole thing

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and not so much about construction. It was just

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a way to pay the bills. So yeah, just did that

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for a long time. But I guess growing up in Victorville

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in the high desert, everybody thinks of California

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as like surfing and skating and all that cool

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stuff. But most of it is not. I lived in California.

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Yeah, it was real different for us. Like I said,

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the popular music out there was country for adults

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like my parents. So my dad at the time was playing

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a lot of that music and he um, he actually played

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there's a roy rogers museum In victorville the

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royal rogers dale evans museum. Yeah, I saw that

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son driving to vegas So my dad played my dad

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played with roy rogers son dusty rogers in his

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band for a long time and um before we moved out

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we I was born in the valley in san fernando valley

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and in seno So my parents grew up in that area

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and my dad actually played with uh freddy fender

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too in in the 70s that in la too yeah so i guess

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there's always been a little there's been a thread

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connection for for me in country music and um

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i guess after having done punk rock for for three

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plus decades um i still you know i love face

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to face and i i'm proud of my career and everything

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that and all the time I've put into it but as

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an artist I was just looking to explore other

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parts of my my musical influence and and this

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record came about as because actually face to

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face did as part of a VIP thing we were doing

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acoustic shows for people before our regular

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show That and one thing kind of led to another,

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you know, it's it's like hmm. Well, I'm playing

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these songs acoustic. That's kind of cool What

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if I did this little pull -off or added this

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thing and then you start thinking well, maybe

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that that VIP thing led to us making an album

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of our songs acoustic and then a short tour and

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it kind of led me on this path of Like well,

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do I just want to play punk rock songs acoustic?

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That's kind of limiting and so I started I started

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reaching back into my roots and thinking, you

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know, I've lived in Nashville for about 16 years

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now. Oh, I didn't realize you were down there.

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Yeah, yeah. And when I first came here, I was

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really just looking for a change of scenery,

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a change of pace, getting out of California and

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trying something new. And this was pre the big

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blow up down here in Nashville where everyone

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moved here and it got crazy. It was still pretty.

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Pretty mellow when we got here in 2010. I always

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feel like Nashville and LA are They're two of

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my favorite cities. I'm not shitting on them

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like legitimately. I love both those cities Yeah,

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you're like there's a lot. It's they're both

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industry towns You know where everyone that you

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meet is even you know in LA they're in film music

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TV shows in Nashville They're in music or they

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do songwriting or production or yeah, you know

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It's an odd, it's an odd thing for a city to

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be so overrun with one industry and then people

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that support it with the bars, you know, the

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bar workers are still in the industry. Right,

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right. But I do like Nashville. I'm kind of surprised

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that it took you that long to get the country

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music living there for that long. Well, because

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I sort of resisted it. To be honest, because

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I, you know, coming from coming from like a punk

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rock background, I'm hyper, especially the era

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of punk rock we came up through. We came up through

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the 90s, which was the hill rock stars era of

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the very stripped down, like you doing it for

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the music and for the love and for the connection

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with people and trying to really strip it down

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to like its purest form. So that directly describes

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country music though. It does. See, that's the

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line I was able to draw after being out here.

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Now, that's not true for all country music. I

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mean, like you mentioned, there's a big glossy

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industry with tons of money. That's the country

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most people see. Big machine stuff. Yeah. And

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that's all fine and good. It's not really the

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thing that attracts me to country music. Again,

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when I found, no, I mean, it's fine for the people

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who love it. I'm not going to disparage it, but

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it's not anything I find much of a connection

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with. And so when I was really like trying to

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figure out if I'm going to do a record like this

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and I want to write songs, more songs in this

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style, I needed to find like my heart. and soul

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and and going back to the stuff i remember growing

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up with as a little kid like in the in the early

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70s there was a lot of country music on the radio

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and on television you know that was the era of

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like variety shows with johnny cash and yeah

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it seems like tons of artists had this show was

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incredible but if you ever look up those clips

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on youtube again it's Like they have Dennis Hopper

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coming out and doing monologues for no reason.

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They're insane. I mean, that was such a cool

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era of that. So I mean, that was kind of like

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back there in my memory. And so I started buying

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up classic country records based on stuff I remembered.

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But then there was this whole discovery I went

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on to of all these guys I missed out on. And

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that, you know, well, like Connie Smith, for

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example, I really, I never realized how amazing

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she was. And her debut record is like one of

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my favorite records of all time. Her voice is

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just so pure and amazing. She's got such a great

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tone in her natural voice. I love the production.

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I love the way the reverb sounds on that vocal.

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It's just such a perfect marriage. And the steel

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guitar playing, and I don't know the name of

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the guy who played steel on that first record,

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but man, it is so good. It's just like the best

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steel guitar playing I ever heard. And the songs

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are great too. There's something about that era,

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there's nothing innocent about it at all. Most

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of the material is about drinking too much, fighting,

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cheating on your spouse. You know, it's all.

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I mean, yeah, it's all bad behavior celebration.

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But, you know, here we are five, six decades

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away from it. Six decades. And it because none

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of it feels like none of it feels real anymore

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because it's like from a forgotten time. There's,

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you know, there's this there's this disconnection

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that makes it feel almost like you're watching

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a movie or you're participating from a distance

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in a way. It's like looking at a picture of your

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grandparents when they were young and being like,

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fucking weird. So I love the nostalgia. And I

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realize that for people that lived during this

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era who were in their 20s and 30s, they were

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going through real heartache and stuff. But now

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it feels a bit kitschy. In a way, I like the

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idea of preserving the vibe and the spirit and

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everything, but we can look at it now in a way

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of saying, well, there was a lot of bad behavior

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going on here. We don't celebrate it. It wasn't

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good, but we're not really, it's not real. It

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doesn't feel real anymore. I mean, I feel like

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a lot of the old country stuff, you know, you'd

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know you'd have a good song or a hit if you came

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up with one line in the chorus that everything

00:16:05.149 --> 00:16:08.509
built to that was clever. you know like the gary

00:16:08.509 --> 00:16:11.509
stewart um she's acting single i'm drinking double

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you know the second he wrote that he was like

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i got the rest of this shit you know i can get

00:16:16.169 --> 00:16:20.090
back to that over and over um yeah yeah that's

00:16:20.090 --> 00:16:22.190
a lot of those old things as they say that point

00:16:22.190 --> 00:16:24.350
you're like oh that's what it's a pun the whole

00:16:24.350 --> 00:16:28.190
song's a pun you know right right and like it

00:16:28.190 --> 00:16:33.090
is kitschy in a way that is also like significantly

00:16:33.090 --> 00:16:36.500
more Genuine and honest I think then you know

00:16:36.500 --> 00:16:38.960
that like mashup that that dude did of every

00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:40.919
time someone says ice cold beer in a country

00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:44.039
song I Haven't heard it. I haven't heard that

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one. I gotta check it out over and over and over

00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:50.259
different people going like ice cold beer But

00:16:50.259 --> 00:16:53.259
it's more genuine to me than that because it's

00:16:53.259 --> 00:16:55.539
you know Those are catchphrases or taglines,

00:16:55.539 --> 00:16:57.039
but these are like you at least had to be fucking

00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:02.159
clever about it You know, yeah Like it's yeah

00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.880
topic but you're cleverly getting to the topic.

00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:10.420
Exactly, yeah. I love that. I love that. So it's

00:17:10.420 --> 00:17:16.900
been a challenge to me to try to capture what

00:17:16.900 --> 00:17:22.660
you're talking about there and shift my songwriting

00:17:22.660 --> 00:17:26.059
a little bit so that I could embody the spirit

00:17:26.059 --> 00:17:28.640
of that type of songwriting, coming up with that

00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:32.000
good line or... or coming up with a good turn

00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:37.460
of phrase. I liked when I came up with Heartbreak

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Grand for one of the songs on my record. Like

00:17:40.380 --> 00:17:42.359
you said, it's a central thing you can come back

00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:45.579
to. But if you don't have that in a country song

00:17:45.579 --> 00:17:47.140
like that, I don't think you're going to have

00:17:47.140 --> 00:17:51.059
a song. No, no, no. You got to have something

00:17:51.059 --> 00:17:57.660
cool like that. So yeah, it's been a lot of fun.

00:17:57.849 --> 00:18:02.329
to try to meet the challenge of writing in this

00:18:02.329 --> 00:18:04.569
way and all that. So getting back to what I started,

00:18:04.710 --> 00:18:06.829
because I've really veered off the path. Oh,

00:18:06.849 --> 00:18:10.490
I do it all the time. It's funny. It's going

00:18:10.490 --> 00:18:13.869
to be weird for me. It's inauthentic, I guess,

00:18:13.890 --> 00:18:17.369
to talk about authenticity. But for whatever

00:18:17.369 --> 00:18:20.210
it's worth, it was really important to me to

00:18:20.210 --> 00:18:25.750
make a country record that if you'd never heard

00:18:25.750 --> 00:18:28.470
of me before, most people haven't. You could

00:18:28.470 --> 00:18:31.329
put it on and go, okay, yeah, I get what this

00:18:31.329 --> 00:18:33.210
is. I understand this. This is a country record.

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I know what country is. I didn't want someone

00:18:36.230 --> 00:18:40.029
to put it on and go, why am I listening to this

00:18:40.029 --> 00:18:42.250
guy trying to do a country record and it doesn't

00:18:42.250 --> 00:18:48.109
sound like one? You know what I mean? So the

00:18:48.109 --> 00:18:50.349
reason I didn't immediately go into it when I

00:18:50.349 --> 00:18:53.490
got to Nashville is because I wanted to, I didn't

00:18:53.490 --> 00:18:55.549
ever feel right till I lived here for a while,

00:18:55.569 --> 00:18:59.980
till I lived. got to meet people from the South,

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traveled through the South, hung out in some

00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:06.119
of these places, experienced culture, food, you

00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:10.319
know, and steeped myself in it. And we moved

00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:14.299
away. We moved back west, not all the way to

00:19:14.299 --> 00:19:17.140
California, but to Las Vegas for about five years

00:19:17.140 --> 00:19:22.640
and decided that We wanted to come back here

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to middle Tennessee and that's that's just that

00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:28.079
feels like home now, you know after being here

00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:34.819
for so long and Well, yeah Definitely I know

00:19:34.819 --> 00:19:36.519
most people don't think of it as a place to live.

00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:40.319
Although there are nice You know neighborhoods

00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:42.640
and areas to live if you can get far enough off

00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:45.519
the strip where it gets more normal It gets a

00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:51.720
little bit more normal two summers ago uh it

00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:54.059
didn't help that it was 130 degrees legitimately

00:19:54.059 --> 00:19:57.500
that's not an exaggeration um yeah but we drove

00:19:57.500 --> 00:20:00.099
around just trying to figure out what what was

00:20:00.099 --> 00:20:03.019
going on you know like what part of this town

00:20:03.019 --> 00:20:05.019
is like because most towns have a setup you're

00:20:05.019 --> 00:20:06.839
like oh this is the nice part this is the less

00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:08.880
nice part this is the industrial part we're driving

00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:10.420
around vegas going like i don't know where anything

00:20:10.420 --> 00:20:12.980
is i don't know what part of town we're in it's

00:20:12.980 --> 00:20:16.539
just the strip or not the strip you know yeah

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i can't figure it out um do you know Who Jeremy

00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:24.680
Pennell is? No, it doesn't ring a bell. I'm wearing

00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:28.900
a hat for him right now. But he has, he's another

00:20:28.900 --> 00:20:32.420
guy. You said like three things that reminded

00:20:32.420 --> 00:20:36.019
me of his music. He has a song called That's

00:20:36.019 --> 00:20:38.940
the Way Country Sounds. You know, I recommend

00:20:38.940 --> 00:20:42.799
checking that out. Okay, cool. Because the answer

00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:45.200
in his lyrics is not lyrics, it's the sound of

00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.240
a band behind him. it's an interesting way to

00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:51.759
kind of work in that whole like Mixture between

00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:54.920
the music and the words of like all this together

00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:59.059
makes a country song Okay, cool. Yeah. Yeah,

00:20:59.059 --> 00:21:03.640
he's a cool guy, but I imagine that writing for

00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:07.000
pop punk and Country takes two different parts

00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:12.480
of your brain and personality. I Guess so when

00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:15.380
I write I don't Try not to use too much of my

00:21:15.380 --> 00:21:19.420
actual brain. I try to write more from You know

00:21:19.420 --> 00:21:22.480
another I try not to intellectualize it I guess

00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:26.180
is a better way of putting it because if I if

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I don't feel some kind of Inspiration then the

00:21:33.700 --> 00:21:35.400
writing isn't going to be very good. It's going

00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:39.740
to come out clinical and uninspired so You kind

00:21:39.740 --> 00:21:42.380
of for me at least I got to be kind of in a zone

00:21:42.380 --> 00:21:46.430
to A lot of people talk about creativity as not

00:21:46.430 --> 00:21:49.190
being something that really comes out of a person,

00:21:49.230 --> 00:21:51.750
but more of like something that you tap into.

00:21:52.009 --> 00:21:55.990
It gets given to you at a time. Yeah, yeah. And

00:21:55.990 --> 00:21:59.990
I find that to be true with me too, because if

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I just try to go, I'm going to sit down and write

00:22:02.269 --> 00:22:06.210
a song right now, they don't usually come out

00:22:06.210 --> 00:22:09.309
very good to my standard anyway. When do they

00:22:09.309 --> 00:22:14.150
come? Is there any through line? You know, it's

00:22:14.150 --> 00:22:19.069
been different throughout my life, but one thing

00:22:19.069 --> 00:22:22.289
you can do, or something that's worked for me

00:22:22.289 --> 00:22:27.549
at least, is I can't necessarily sit down and

00:22:27.549 --> 00:22:30.890
grab a guitar or a pen to paper and go, I'm going

00:22:30.890 --> 00:22:34.730
to intentionally write a song. But if I sit down

00:22:34.730 --> 00:22:37.569
with a guitar and allow myself some time to clear

00:22:37.569 --> 00:22:40.410
my mind and maybe give myself a half hour or

00:22:40.410 --> 00:22:44.490
an hour to just kind of Get myself in a headspace

00:22:44.490 --> 00:22:49.589
where I'm open That can help foster some inspiration

00:22:49.589 --> 00:22:52.390
sometimes, you know, so it's it's about trying

00:22:52.390 --> 00:22:55.269
to for me I got a quiet my mind down a little

00:22:55.269 --> 00:22:57.750
bit and try to put myself in a place where I

00:22:57.750 --> 00:23:05.390
can be open to to the creativity and It's not

00:23:05.390 --> 00:23:08.309
something that comes naturally for me I have

00:23:08.309 --> 00:23:14.990
to like make an effort to do that. So It happens

00:23:14.990 --> 00:23:16.930
that way sometimes sometimes I could be at the

00:23:16.930 --> 00:23:19.190
car wash or whatever and the song will pop into

00:23:19.190 --> 00:23:22.609
my head I Mentioned the song heartbreak grin

00:23:22.609 --> 00:23:26.509
a minute ago. I actually had a dream about that

00:23:26.509 --> 00:23:29.150
I I don't know if I had a dream but I woke up

00:23:29.150 --> 00:23:31.970
in the morning and that song was in my brain

00:23:31.970 --> 00:23:34.690
for so I don't know where it came from and I

00:23:34.690 --> 00:23:37.589
was just singing the melody and It wasn't probably

00:23:37.589 --> 00:23:40.150
wasn't the lyric But I was singing that melody

00:23:40.150 --> 00:23:42.049
when I woke up. So that happens sometimes too,

00:23:42.130 --> 00:23:45.769
which is kind of cool. Yeah, there's a One of

00:23:45.769 --> 00:23:48.809
my favorite songwriters is Robert Hunter from

00:23:48.809 --> 00:23:53.029
Grateful Dead fame And there's you know, if you're

00:23:53.029 --> 00:23:54.990
into the dead, there's the infamous. It's almost

00:23:54.990 --> 00:23:58.849
a holiday now you know, where he wrote, I can't

00:23:58.849 --> 00:24:01.250
remember the three exact songs he wrote on that

00:24:01.250 --> 00:24:03.130
day. It was like, they love each other and two

00:24:03.130 --> 00:24:06.789
other like big dead songs that are just, it became

00:24:06.789 --> 00:24:09.170
this holiday of like Robert Hunter tapped into

00:24:09.170 --> 00:24:11.009
something on that day and pulled these three

00:24:11.009 --> 00:24:12.869
out, you know? And he hadn't written in like

00:24:12.869 --> 00:24:15.450
a year previously. Yeah. And he couldn't bring

00:24:15.450 --> 00:24:18.890
himself to. And for something happened where,

00:24:18.890 --> 00:24:20.289
and I don't know if you're a dead head, but if

00:24:20.289 --> 00:24:24.829
you are, this will make sense, where the music

00:24:24.829 --> 00:24:27.950
showed up. for him at that time, you know, cause

00:24:27.950 --> 00:24:30.410
he was like a conduit for a lot of American ideas

00:24:30.410 --> 00:24:34.710
and American mythology in his music. But it's

00:24:34.710 --> 00:24:36.690
just fascinating to me that you have a year of

00:24:36.690 --> 00:24:39.670
nothing, you know, killing yourself over it.

00:24:39.769 --> 00:24:41.630
And then one afternoon you're hanging out at

00:24:41.630 --> 00:24:44.130
your house and you show up the next day and show

00:24:44.130 --> 00:24:47.230
Jerry Garcia, you have three hits, you know?

00:24:47.990 --> 00:24:50.710
Yeah. I mean, I, I feel like it does happen like

00:24:50.710 --> 00:24:53.430
that. Sometimes the inspiration just can kind

00:24:53.430 --> 00:24:56.259
of strike out of nowhere. Let's it feels like

00:24:56.259 --> 00:24:58.720
it's hard to be a musician and be like oh fuck.

00:24:58.819 --> 00:25:01.240
I gotta put a record out Like if you're on that

00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:04.519
cycle, it can be and I'm not I'm one of those

00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:09.359
guys. I'm not overly prolific so I See some of

00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:11.180
these other country artists and I'm like, whoa,

00:25:11.299 --> 00:25:13.160
didn't that guy just have an album out like six

00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:16.420
months ago Charlie Crockett Charlie Crockett

00:25:16.420 --> 00:25:24.529
most notably. Yeah Yeah, I mean mostly So it's

00:25:24.529 --> 00:25:27.950
yeah, there are some cats that just just write

00:25:27.950 --> 00:25:32.950
songs all day long every day I Could probably

00:25:32.950 --> 00:25:35.390
be a little more disciplined to get into that

00:25:35.390 --> 00:25:37.789
space like I'm talking about where I quiet my

00:25:37.789 --> 00:25:41.170
mind more but I Don't know. I have this weird

00:25:41.170 --> 00:25:43.809
thing where I feel like I if I if I write a bunch

00:25:43.809 --> 00:25:45.829
of songs I want to record them and then I want

00:25:45.829 --> 00:25:48.920
to go out and play them and If I'm on tour, I

00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.359
don't really tend to write much because that's

00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:54.740
a whole other rhythm that you get into, you know?

00:25:55.460 --> 00:25:57.640
But if you're lucky enough to be able to write

00:25:57.640 --> 00:25:59.480
when you're also on tour, you just constantly

00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:02.259
write all the time. That's great to be that prolific.

00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:06.119
Yeah, did with these songs that are Departure,

00:26:06.779 --> 00:26:09.220
did you write them and then start like testing

00:26:09.220 --> 00:26:11.299
them with audiences and just being like, hey,

00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:15.140
I'm doing a different thing? To see I did a little

00:26:15.140 --> 00:26:17.740
bit because actually when we did first move to

00:26:17.740 --> 00:26:21.779
Nashville I had a song in a country song in my

00:26:21.779 --> 00:26:25.299
in my head And I thought well, I guess I'm in

00:26:25.299 --> 00:26:28.440
Nashville. I might as well Mess with this country

00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:34.900
song and it's what ended up becoming Wandering

00:26:34.900 --> 00:26:41.599
and In in the original form of it, I don't know

00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:44.670
where it came from I just had this song idea

00:26:44.670 --> 00:26:47.250
that would be for like a female performer female

00:26:47.250 --> 00:26:53.069
vocal about a wandering man and And I actually

00:26:53.069 --> 00:26:55.390
the first couple of people I met here when I

00:26:55.390 --> 00:26:58.430
came into town Jeff Firebaugh who used to play

00:26:58.430 --> 00:27:02.549
bass and hillbilly casino They used to play down

00:27:02.549 --> 00:27:06.569
on Lower Broad all the time and this was 20 some

00:27:06.569 --> 00:27:09.230
years ago But he had a studio and he's like,

00:27:09.410 --> 00:27:11.450
yeah, man, if you ever want to come record so

00:27:11.450 --> 00:27:15.309
he grabbed One of the singers played a lot down

00:27:15.309 --> 00:27:18.730
on lower broad and she cut the song and we demoed

00:27:18.730 --> 00:27:22.589
it up. And I didn't really do much with it, but

00:27:22.589 --> 00:27:25.650
I had it. So one of my ideas was finally realized,

00:27:25.849 --> 00:27:30.970
you know, and then and then. But other. So I

00:27:30.970 --> 00:27:35.490
didn't really play that one out, but. I have

00:27:35.490 --> 00:27:39.710
been doing some solo acoustic performances over

00:27:39.710 --> 00:27:42.940
the past three or four years, not many. And I

00:27:42.940 --> 00:27:46.640
would squeeze in, you know, they'd be mostly

00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:48.700
face -to -face songs, but I would put in like

00:27:48.700 --> 00:27:52.619
some country covers too. And just to see how

00:27:52.619 --> 00:27:56.759
those would go over. But it wasn't really until

00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.460
I got the album recorded, and we recorded this

00:27:59.460 --> 00:28:02.640
record about a year ago now, that it sort of

00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:05.700
really took shape from them being demos in my

00:28:05.700 --> 00:28:08.839
head to being a real record. And like you said,

00:28:10.879 --> 00:28:13.359
That the artists that wrote the song about what

00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.740
a country song is they once I got players That

00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:18.880
I worked with in the studio their local guys

00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.500
here around Nashville. They brought it to life

00:28:21.500 --> 00:28:25.000
I went in there with my demo and lyrics and and

00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.259
then a focus track and And they would listen

00:28:29.259 --> 00:28:31.359
to the demo and the focus track and go yeah,

00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:34.660
okay cool we get the vibe and we laid it down

00:28:34.660 --> 00:28:38.339
and They came out so good. It really helped inform

00:28:38.339 --> 00:28:41.549
the direction of everything I mean, I also feel

00:28:41.549 --> 00:28:45.230
like a lot of people that we've talked to, including

00:28:45.230 --> 00:28:48.450
myself in some capacity, but musicians like Benjamin

00:28:48.450 --> 00:28:54.009
Todd and John Morland, they grew up punk kids.

00:28:54.710 --> 00:28:57.390
And now they are not. You know, there's that

00:28:57.390 --> 00:29:01.269
pipeline of punk, whatever variety, whether it's

00:29:01.269 --> 00:29:04.789
crust or pop or straight edge. And all of a sudden

00:29:04.789 --> 00:29:06.509
you become an adult and you're like, hey, I really

00:29:06.509 --> 00:29:10.460
like country music. And I wonder if that actually

00:29:10.460 --> 00:29:13.539
has happened with the face -to -face fans transitioning

00:29:13.539 --> 00:29:15.519
to being like no, you know what now that I'm

00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:19.920
45 I kind of do like this chiller shit. Yeah

00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:25.660
Definitely some definitely some of them So far

00:29:25.660 --> 00:29:30.039
with whatever I've released two singles so far

00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.099
and that album doesn't come out till July but

00:29:33.099 --> 00:29:36.339
response to the two singles has been mostly positive

00:29:36.339 --> 00:29:39.349
from people so There's been one or two that are

00:29:39.349 --> 00:29:41.609
like, I love you, but I can't follow you down

00:29:41.609 --> 00:29:45.289
this path. I can respect that. There's nothing

00:29:45.289 --> 00:29:48.609
wrong with that. So I got to assume the, you

00:29:48.609 --> 00:29:51.109
know, maybe the people that don't like it are

00:29:51.109 --> 00:29:54.430
kind of keeping it to themselves, which is fine.

00:29:54.630 --> 00:29:56.910
Or maybe, maybe just not enough people to hurt

00:29:56.910 --> 00:29:59.329
it yet, you know, too. I mean, there's always

00:29:59.329 --> 00:30:01.190
the people that it could be the best country

00:30:01.190 --> 00:30:02.990
song in the world, but they have it stuck in

00:30:02.990 --> 00:30:05.529
their head that they like everything but country,

00:30:05.869 --> 00:30:08.029
you know, that's that you always hear what music

00:30:08.029 --> 00:30:12.170
you like. Cool. I don't know. It's country gets

00:30:12.170 --> 00:30:16.210
a weird rap a lot of the time. I feel like because

00:30:16.210 --> 00:30:20.369
like you, we were talking about earlier, it seems

00:30:20.369 --> 00:30:23.890
old in a lot of ways. I mean, it is a lot of

00:30:23.890 --> 00:30:27.269
ways, but It's not just that the songs are old.

00:30:27.269 --> 00:30:30.089
It seems like it applies to old people, you know,

00:30:30.089 --> 00:30:33.789
and it's like right, right it's lonesome and

00:30:33.789 --> 00:30:37.069
and Longing and all these things that when when

00:30:37.069 --> 00:30:38.809
you're a young person, you're like, I don't really

00:30:38.809 --> 00:30:40.450
want to listen to that You know, then you hear

00:30:40.450 --> 00:30:41.970
it as an adult and you go there's some points

00:30:41.970 --> 00:30:45.849
in there It turns out. Yeah. Well, maybe maybe

00:30:45.849 --> 00:30:49.250
that really is the thing. I mean much of what

00:30:49.250 --> 00:30:52.650
I love about country music are the writers and

00:30:52.650 --> 00:30:56.630
artists that have That depth, you know, you have

00:30:56.630 --> 00:30:59.309
light that are singing about life experience

00:30:59.309 --> 00:31:03.589
and you know, you're a 20 year old kid You can't

00:31:03.589 --> 00:31:05.869
relate you haven't had those experiences yet.

00:31:05.869 --> 00:31:08.150
There's another frame of reference There's many

00:31:08.150 --> 00:31:11.130
musicians one of them probably the biggest example

00:31:11.130 --> 00:31:14.369
is Van Morrison Where my mom would play Van Morrison

00:31:14.369 --> 00:31:16.250
when I was a kid and I'd be like I want to hear

00:31:16.250 --> 00:31:20.670
dookie by Green Day again, you know I'm like

00:31:20.670 --> 00:31:24.049
Van Morrison is the best at this forever, you

00:31:24.049 --> 00:31:27.769
know, like it turns out Astral Weeks is nuts

00:31:27.769 --> 00:31:31.250
and he was younger than me. Oh God. You know,

00:31:31.970 --> 00:31:33.670
you make that switch at some point as you get

00:31:33.670 --> 00:31:36.869
deeper into your life where you go, Oh, I get

00:31:36.869 --> 00:31:39.630
what you're doing here. You know, not just lyric

00:31:39.630 --> 00:31:43.150
wise, but also sonically where you're interested

00:31:43.150 --> 00:31:45.750
in hearing things that aren't just a representation

00:31:45.750 --> 00:31:49.890
of your own angst growing up. Right. Right. Cause

00:31:49.890 --> 00:31:51.309
at that point you're kind of just like, I'm angry

00:31:51.309 --> 00:31:55.579
and weird and life's... Kind of odd. Uh, yeah,

00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:58.380
that sounds like that. But then you become an

00:31:58.380 --> 00:32:00.700
adult and your life isn't odd. It's a little

00:32:00.700 --> 00:32:07.940
sad. Yeah, I agree. And I mean, like I said,

00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:12.380
I was, I was rediscovering some of the music

00:32:12.380 --> 00:32:16.099
from my childhood, but it led me down this path

00:32:16.099 --> 00:32:20.319
of discovery. And I just, I started, I have a

00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.140
playlist on my Apple Music that has probably

00:32:23.140 --> 00:32:26.200
got 200 some songs in it now. But I just started

00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:28.299
building that playlist slowly but surely over

00:32:28.299 --> 00:32:31.480
the past four or five years. And every time I

00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:35.079
discover new songs or new, they're not new, they're

00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.779
from a long time from the 60s or 70s. But every

00:32:37.779 --> 00:32:40.440
time I discover someone that's new to me, I'll

00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:42.599
add that in there. And it's just kind of grown

00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.359
from there. And it's just been really, I've done

00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.259
that a lot throughout my life, because you know,

00:32:49.259 --> 00:32:52.730
there was an era I'm old, but there was an era

00:32:52.730 --> 00:32:55.930
when before the internet, we'd have to like ask

00:32:55.930 --> 00:32:57.869
your buddies or go into the record store and

00:32:57.869 --> 00:33:01.950
ask the record store owner. Yeah, right. Like

00:33:01.950 --> 00:33:04.450
what should I listen to? If you, unless you heard

00:33:04.450 --> 00:33:07.250
something on the radio, maybe you like, and then,

00:33:07.369 --> 00:33:11.089
uh, then for punk rock that turned into like

00:33:11.089 --> 00:33:13.710
you get, you would get your fanzine, you know,

00:33:14.009 --> 00:33:17.730
regional fanzine look through that. And, um,

00:33:18.410 --> 00:33:21.769
so there's been all, The the access hasn't always

00:33:21.769 --> 00:33:24.390
been there and even now with acts with immediate

00:33:24.390 --> 00:33:27.630
access to all this music In a way, like I feel

00:33:27.630 --> 00:33:29.630
like most people need it curated right or you're

00:33:29.630 --> 00:33:33.490
not gonna find out about records I care a lot

00:33:33.490 --> 00:33:35.849
about what I listen to and put on our store and

00:33:35.849 --> 00:33:38.750
everything and then I go it's the same god damn

00:33:38.750 --> 00:33:43.470
100 songs over and over, you know, yeah. Yeah,

00:33:43.470 --> 00:33:46.519
so There's been, I guess what I was getting at

00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:48.819
is there's been a lot of times in my life where

00:33:48.819 --> 00:33:51.700
I'm like, all right, I missed out on this entire

00:33:51.700 --> 00:33:55.259
movement of music and I have to go back and discover

00:33:55.259 --> 00:33:58.440
it later. Because there's so much going on all

00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.779
the time that you might live through a portion

00:34:01.779 --> 00:34:03.720
of your life and then go, well damn, I totally

00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:07.299
missed out on that whole movement of music. Or

00:34:07.299 --> 00:34:09.380
you just forget about it, like you used to know

00:34:09.380 --> 00:34:11.800
and like it and then you hear it again. 15 years

00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:16.079
ago, I know all the words. Yeah. Yeah. So this

00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:20.179
was one of those things for me. And, um, you

00:34:20.179 --> 00:34:23.179
know, I just creatively and everything, it's,

00:34:23.420 --> 00:34:26.099
I'm really having a great time making this kind

00:34:26.099 --> 00:34:29.000
of music, playing, playing this music and genre.

00:34:29.019 --> 00:34:32.800
And it's just really, you know, it feels, I don't

00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.800
dislike doing punk rock, but this feels more,

00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:42.639
this feels more like comfortable in a way and

00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:46.360
where sometimes going out and Bashing through

00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:48.880
a set of punk rock songs, which we don't do very

00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:57.579
often anymore Is starting to feel I Can't say

00:34:57.579 --> 00:35:01.480
that it's it's not awkward, but it may be not

00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:04.420
as comfortable as it is not as fitting Yeah,

00:35:04.420 --> 00:35:06.960
you know cuz we're our band, you know, we play

00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:10.110
songs that we wrote 20 some years ago too. That's

00:35:10.110 --> 00:35:12.889
like the sweet spot for our band, right? So when

00:35:12.889 --> 00:35:14.530
face -to -face goes out and plays we're playing

00:35:14.530 --> 00:35:17.670
music from the 90s mostly and early 2000s anyhow.

00:35:18.190 --> 00:35:21.590
Yeah, I don't know if you look yourself or your

00:35:21.590 --> 00:35:26.730
band up ever but I did because we're doing this

00:35:26.730 --> 00:35:31.929
and I ended up on a reddit thread about people

00:35:31.929 --> 00:35:35.530
either talking about your band or talking about

00:35:36.889 --> 00:35:39.949
you know, like seeing you guys live. And one

00:35:39.949 --> 00:35:43.389
of the things that I picked up on was that a

00:35:43.389 --> 00:35:46.449
lot of people, A, have been with you for a long

00:35:46.449 --> 00:35:49.010
time, which is good. I mean, that's, you know,

00:35:49.110 --> 00:35:51.550
David Crosby thing of the first record doesn't

00:35:51.550 --> 00:35:53.869
matter. It's the second record that counts because

00:35:53.869 --> 00:35:55.489
you had your whole life to put the first one

00:35:55.489 --> 00:36:00.309
out. So like, you know, so, you know, reading

00:36:00.309 --> 00:36:03.949
all these comments on Reddit threads, A, people

00:36:03.949 --> 00:36:05.789
are getting a lot of tattoos of you guys still.

00:36:06.059 --> 00:36:11.119
which, that's cool. But B, an interesting thing,

00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:13.059
you know, is one guy said, I don't remember if

00:36:13.059 --> 00:36:14.820
it was you or someone else in the band that said

00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:17.260
it on stage, but someone said something about

00:36:17.260 --> 00:36:19.780
don't throw a hip out in the pit tonight. You

00:36:19.780 --> 00:36:22.539
know? Sounds like some smart ass thing I might

00:36:22.539 --> 00:36:24.820
say. Yeah. And I mean, you know, you get to the

00:36:24.820 --> 00:36:27.840
point now where like, they did a thing on Everybody's

00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:29.980
Live with John Mulaney where it was an old punk

00:36:29.980 --> 00:36:32.260
focus group and Lee Ving is in there and Lee

00:36:32.260 --> 00:36:36.190
Ving is 75 years old. Right. You're like, what

00:36:36.190 --> 00:36:38.690
the fuck? Old punks? That's not a thing that's

00:36:38.690 --> 00:36:42.409
ever existed. Right. Yeah, yeah. We're in a weird

00:36:42.409 --> 00:36:44.849
era of all that right now. This is a new genre

00:36:44.849 --> 00:36:50.869
of person. An old angsty man. But at the same

00:36:50.869 --> 00:36:52.710
time, it's cool, man. A lot of the comments I

00:36:52.710 --> 00:36:54.630
was seeing were people being like, yeah, I brought

00:36:54.630 --> 00:36:58.429
my son to a face -to -face show. And these are

00:36:58.429 --> 00:37:02.480
recent comments in the past five, 10 years. And

00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:05.179
now they're into it. And I mean, that's the enduring

00:37:05.179 --> 00:37:08.619
thing of, you know, music in general is a lot

00:37:08.619 --> 00:37:11.179
of the stuff that you listen to is handed down

00:37:11.179 --> 00:37:12.980
from your parents. You know, you can track a

00:37:12.980 --> 00:37:15.179
lot of my favorite bands. I like Cream, Marshall

00:37:15.179 --> 00:37:18.179
Tucker, you know, you know, these are all bands

00:37:18.179 --> 00:37:20.780
that my parents listen to. And I'm still like,

00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.739
that is the best shit, man. And I'm not a musician,

00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:26.800
but I imagine if I was, I'd be aiming at it.

00:37:27.150 --> 00:37:29.289
You know, it's the same thing for this record

00:37:29.289 --> 00:37:31.489
you're going well damn that is really good shit

00:37:31.489 --> 00:37:36.710
that my parents heard Right, right. Yeah it's

00:37:36.710 --> 00:37:40.730
a It's it's a weird time where we have so much

00:37:40.730 --> 00:37:44.710
access to so many things It's overwhelming and

00:37:44.710 --> 00:37:49.630
we're all going backwards Right, right, yeah

00:37:49.630 --> 00:37:54.510
But I'm gonna change topics entirely here, okay

00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.119
I was told by the PR person that put us in contact

00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:00.559
that you're learning how to ride motorcycles.

00:38:01.860 --> 00:38:03.980
I'm not learning. I know how to ride motorcycles.

00:38:03.980 --> 00:38:07.739
Oh, she praised it weird. Did she? She said he's

00:38:07.739 --> 00:38:11.719
a new rider, I think. Well, I'm new because...

00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:13.360
Well, go ahead and ask your question and then

00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:17.179
I'll give you my background. No, go into it.

00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:22.059
This will dictate my question. Okay, cool. I

00:38:22.059 --> 00:38:26.099
guess I'm a late in life... writer, mainly because,

00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:31.039
and this is like seven years ago, but at the

00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:32.840
beginning of COVID, when it looked like we were

00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.780
all going to be shut down from working, basically

00:38:36.780 --> 00:38:40.920
doing every living our lives. My son, who was

00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.719
in his mid 20s at the time was like, all right,

00:38:44.780 --> 00:38:48.219
dad, I want us to learn how to ride motorcycles

00:38:48.219 --> 00:38:52.860
and go get our concealed carry permits. He phrased

00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:56.960
it as like cool man shit. Half joking, you know?

00:38:57.420 --> 00:39:01.260
So, and I was like, dude, I'm 50. I was 50 at

00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:03.539
the time. I'm like, man, I don't know if I want

00:39:03.539 --> 00:39:05.420
to get on them. I mean, motorcycles are fun,

00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:08.639
but he's like, no, come on, let's do it. So I

00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:13.219
went to the class and got my permit and jumped

00:39:13.219 --> 00:39:15.860
on a motorcycle and we started riding but it's

00:39:15.860 --> 00:39:21.639
now it's been nearly a decade and In that time

00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:27.179
me and my son and My old friend Chad he used

00:39:27.179 --> 00:39:29.219
to play guitar in face -to -face. He lives in

00:39:29.219 --> 00:39:33.659
Texas now and some other buddies, we get together

00:39:33.659 --> 00:39:37.500
and do at least one annual ride, sometimes two

00:39:37.500 --> 00:39:39.820
if we're lucky. And we pick different parts of

00:39:39.820 --> 00:39:42.119
the country and meet up and we'll do like a week

00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:47.079
long ride at least once a year. And that's been

00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.460
so fun to be able to connect in that way and

00:39:52.460 --> 00:39:55.780
just hang out. So it's something that I look

00:39:55.780 --> 00:39:58.880
forward to every year. Matter of fact, my son

00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:03.460
and I just, We just took the bikes down to Muscle

00:40:03.460 --> 00:40:06.480
Shoals this past weekend. Oh, that's not that

00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.960
close. That's a good little ride. No, it's not

00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.559
too far from here. I live, I just moved, I live

00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.619
close here to the, do you know the Natchez Trace?

00:40:14.980 --> 00:40:17.059
That closed highway that goes from Nashville

00:40:17.059 --> 00:40:19.500
all the way to Natchez, Mississippi. Okay, yeah.

00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:24.380
It's like a state park or maybe a... It might

00:40:24.380 --> 00:40:26.900
be a federal park kind of thing. It's the old

00:40:26.900 --> 00:40:29.380
trail that Andrew Jackson marched the troops

00:40:29.380 --> 00:40:32.679
down to for the Battle of Mississippi and all

00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:36.440
that. But you can't take any commercial vehicles

00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:39.340
on it, no semi trucks, nothing like that. And

00:40:39.340 --> 00:40:42.199
it has very few exits and it's just this beautiful

00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:46.800
kind of nature ride. It's about 80 or 90 miles,

00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.219
I guess, down to Muscle Shoals from here to there.

00:40:50.300 --> 00:40:55.210
Yeah, not too bad. So that was fun. But um, but

00:40:55.210 --> 00:40:58.090
yeah, I guess I guess I'm a new rider if you

00:40:58.090 --> 00:41:02.429
compare it to my entire life, but Don't give

00:41:02.429 --> 00:41:04.289
her shit about it. I might have read it wrong.

00:41:04.389 --> 00:41:08.329
No, no, that's fine What do you have? I'm always

00:41:08.329 --> 00:41:11.550
curious. What do you ride? Um, I have the first

00:41:11.550 --> 00:41:14.869
bike that I got still although I'm tempted to

00:41:14.869 --> 00:41:17.730
get like, you know, I have 50 motorcycles if

00:41:17.730 --> 00:41:23.789
if I indulged myself I have a Triumph t120 black

00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:29.539
It's like a modern classic bike. I love it. It's

00:41:29.539 --> 00:41:32.619
great. 1200cc motorcycle. It's got plenty of

00:41:32.619 --> 00:41:38.420
power. It's not a big old garbage barge or anything,

00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.260
but it's just a good all -around bike. When I

00:41:43.260 --> 00:41:46.039
take it on these road trips, man, I can... probably

00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:49.019
do about 150 miles a day before my ass is killing

00:41:49.019 --> 00:41:51.460
me and I'm just I'm sick of getting beat up by

00:41:51.460 --> 00:41:53.280
the wind and the bugs and everything because

00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.980
you know it doesn't have like a fairing and all

00:41:55.980 --> 00:41:59.000
that stuff on it it's more just like a your classic

00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:03.659
bike but I also have um I have a Ural which is

00:42:03.659 --> 00:42:06.199
a Russian -made motorcycle that they've been

00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:09.219
making since World War II they still make them

00:42:09.219 --> 00:42:14.539
um it's a classic style bike with a sidecar Oh,

00:42:14.539 --> 00:42:16.699
and you kept the sidecar, it's always there?

00:42:17.579 --> 00:42:19.559
Yeah, yeah, I keep the sidecar. It's built, it's

00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:21.599
made with the sidecar. It's a newer motorcycle,

00:42:21.619 --> 00:42:26.340
it's a 2012, but it's designed in that kind of,

00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:29.440
you know, kind of World War II style era. How

00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.079
these heroes, Colonel Clink. Yeah, it's super

00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:34.480
fun. When the weather's nice, you don't want

00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.260
to go real far on it, but it's super fun to just

00:42:37.260 --> 00:42:41.639
go out and putt around on. I've only ever had

00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:45.460
a ridden Harley's because for some reason that

00:42:45.460 --> 00:42:49.019
became the thing. I don't know what I mean. No,

00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:51.139
no, they're great. And as a matter of fact, that's

00:42:51.139 --> 00:42:54.780
on my list. I've been... You know, there's a

00:42:54.780 --> 00:42:58.179
lot of criticism about Harley's, but they've

00:42:58.179 --> 00:43:00.659
been around for a long time and there's all different

00:43:00.659 --> 00:43:03.940
eras and all different types. And if you find

00:43:03.940 --> 00:43:05.920
the bike that's right for you, then who cares?

00:43:07.460 --> 00:43:12.340
It's fascinating. Like I have currently, uh,

00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:16.440
the base of this bike is a 78 shovel head. I

00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:20.480
also have like a 2010 street Bob and I got two

00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.400
sports. There's in the middle right there. You

00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.480
know, there's a 79 iron head and then there's

00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:29.199
a 94 sports there and it's all different. Like

00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:31.139
you're more of an enthusiast than me. You got

00:43:31.139 --> 00:43:35.360
four motorcycles. I had, if we talk about how

00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:40.789
many I have in boxes. I have like nine. And my

00:43:40.789 --> 00:43:43.829
wife has told me, no more bikes. Until you get,

00:43:44.050 --> 00:43:46.190
you gotta pull some of these out and get rid

00:43:46.190 --> 00:43:49.030
of them. Then you can get more. I'm interested

00:43:49.030 --> 00:43:53.329
in a soft tail slim actually. I like that. I

00:43:53.329 --> 00:43:58.079
guess around 2019, 2020 is what people. I'm reading

00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.800
online. There's like a good solid motor, you

00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.340
know that that doesn't break down and pretty

00:44:03.340 --> 00:44:05.960
reliable and but has plenty of power, you know,

00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:11.360
yeah, don't I mean also man, honestly take a

00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:15.099
look at the lowrider ST's the yeah. Yeah, I've

00:44:15.099 --> 00:44:17.820
seen those too. Yeah, there's a bunch of dudes

00:44:17.820 --> 00:44:23.659
I know Who are like fuck new Harley, you know

00:44:23.659 --> 00:44:28.059
pre -2000 or you know or die except for the lowrider

00:44:28.059 --> 00:44:30.159
st that if i could get a lowrider st i'd go get

00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:33.380
one of those today you know yeah those those

00:44:33.380 --> 00:44:35.820
look pretty cool i mean they're like that'll

00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:38.239
probably be my next bike i've been wanting to

00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:41.840
get in a good american -made bikes uh you know

00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:45.119
it's either harley or indian and i think i got

00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:46.900
a level with you man i don't think most harleys

00:44:46.900 --> 00:44:49.400
are made here anymore Well, I know that, but

00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.000
it's just the brand. Triumph's not made in England

00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.619
anymore either. They're probably made in Indonesia

00:44:55.619 --> 00:44:58.079
or wherever. Here's the thing that annoys me

00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:00.400
about that is Harley moved all their manufacturing

00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:03.059
over to Asia, right? And I was like, you didn't

00:45:03.059 --> 00:45:04.960
even put them in the good Asian factories. You

00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.480
didn't even use the Honda people. They make good

00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:11.260
bikes, but you decided to do something totally

00:45:11.260 --> 00:45:14.019
different unrelated to those good motorcycle

00:45:14.019 --> 00:45:17.989
builds. I don't know, man. What do you think

00:45:17.989 --> 00:45:20.510
of the new CEO over at Indian? They're trying

00:45:20.510 --> 00:45:22.190
to do, they're trying to shake it up a little

00:45:22.190 --> 00:45:24.269
bit with the new Indian models that are coming

00:45:24.269 --> 00:45:31.510
out. I mean, here's the thing I think about a

00:45:31.510 --> 00:45:34.449
lot of motorcycle brands and a lot of it goes

00:45:34.449 --> 00:45:36.349
back to the history of Harley. Why have this

00:45:36.349 --> 00:45:39.829
opinion, right? So two people started Harley

00:45:39.829 --> 00:45:43.889
Davidson, right? Those people sold the company.

00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:46.380
And then their families sold the company actually

00:45:46.380 --> 00:45:49.539
to AMF, the bowling alley people. Yeah, I know

00:45:49.539 --> 00:45:52.639
that era of Harley. Right. And that's when you

00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:54.579
have the iron heads and the shovel heads and

00:45:54.579 --> 00:45:57.219
like people love shovel heads. I purposely went

00:45:57.219 --> 00:45:59.480
out and got one and I have another motor in my

00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.219
garage. They're problems, you know, like there's

00:46:02.219 --> 00:46:03.860
gas on the ground. There's oil on the ground.

00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.539
I got to kick it over and some days I'm like,

00:46:06.659 --> 00:46:09.460
is the bike fucking broken? Just because it's

00:46:09.460 --> 00:46:14.199
not. Yeah. And then in the early 80s, Willie

00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.840
G. Davidson, 1981, I believe, bought Harley.

00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:19.699
And he's the grandson of the original Davidson.

00:46:20.500 --> 00:46:23.320
Yeah, he put a group together of people that

00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:25.280
pooled their money to be able to buy it back

00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:28.860
from AMF. And they were old Harley workers and

00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:32.119
stuff. Right. And it became... It became the

00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:34.739
Harley that we you know that blew up it became

00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:38.400
the the Evo motors the Willy's at every single

00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:41.079
easy rider event He's at every you know rally

00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:44.000
everyone all over the place, and he's the CEO

00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:48.639
and he's the guy Harley recently they got the

00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:50.780
Puma guy who drove it into the ground pretty

00:46:50.780 --> 00:46:55.239
quick And now they have the old Topgolf guy That's

00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:57.820
a hard sell The only reason Harley -Davidson's

00:46:57.820 --> 00:47:00.179
became the bike in America is because clubs went,

00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:02.380
you have to ride a bike that's built here. If

00:47:02.380 --> 00:47:04.199
you were in a club in England, you had to ride

00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:06.460
a Triumph because it was built there. You know,

00:47:06.500 --> 00:47:11.119
that's the rule. So when it's just, it's odd

00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:16.099
to me when you go out and get a CEO and that

00:47:16.099 --> 00:47:20.099
CEO does not come from any form of background

00:47:20.099 --> 00:47:22.239
of the company that you're running when it's

00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:25.010
a company like a motorcycle company because The

00:47:25.010 --> 00:47:28.389
feelings are so deep in that world. If you're

00:47:28.389 --> 00:47:30.030
running Topgolf, who gives a shit? You're running

00:47:30.030 --> 00:47:35.829
Topgolf. But when you jump over to an old school

00:47:35.829 --> 00:47:39.449
American brand that already has loyalty, that

00:47:39.449 --> 00:47:42.510
already has a built -in generations of customers

00:47:42.510 --> 00:47:44.190
that aren't going to go anywhere, if you just

00:47:44.190 --> 00:47:47.650
don't fuck it up, why are you going in there

00:47:47.650 --> 00:47:51.269
and fucking it up? With that being said, some

00:47:51.269 --> 00:47:53.190
of the pictures of new Indian bikes look pretty

00:47:53.190 --> 00:47:56.369
sick. They're kind of going back to from what

00:47:56.369 --> 00:47:59.869
I was the big skirted fenders. Yeah, they look

00:47:59.869 --> 00:48:02.969
like a way Yeah, they're going back to like a

00:48:02.969 --> 00:48:07.829
much more late 40s 50s look Which you know Harley's

00:48:07.829 --> 00:48:10.329
constantly trying to design a new sport bike

00:48:10.329 --> 00:48:13.190
to compete with all the sport bikes and that's

00:48:13.190 --> 00:48:16.309
insane because it's never going to Yeah, a different

00:48:16.309 --> 00:48:21.030
world So, I mean I'm interested to see if Indian

00:48:21.030 --> 00:48:26.389
Like I think the markets open Not entirely, but

00:48:26.389 --> 00:48:28.849
there's a little bit that market's open where

00:48:28.849 --> 00:48:31.409
they could steal people. I'm seeing more Indians

00:48:31.409 --> 00:48:34.210
on the road right now around here than I have

00:48:34.210 --> 00:48:37.730
in the past like five years. So I don't know,

00:48:37.809 --> 00:48:40.110
man. I mean, if they're building good bikes and

00:48:40.110 --> 00:48:43.409
if they are going to capitalize on Harley's alienation

00:48:43.409 --> 00:48:49.170
of the customer base, fuck it. I'm kind of watching

00:48:49.170 --> 00:48:52.289
at a distance to see how that might shake out.

00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.980
what new products might be announced or, you

00:48:54.980 --> 00:49:02.300
know. I mean, if I move off of Harley, and then

00:49:02.300 --> 00:49:04.300
if some people that I know move off of Harley,

00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:08.139
you know they fucked it. Like, they're gonna

00:49:08.139 --> 00:49:13.239
die. That's the end of it. But at the same time,

00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.900
it's gonna be really hard. Because we're talking,

00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:20.659
at this point, over a hundred years of history

00:49:20.659 --> 00:49:23.219
with that company. and people being loyal to

00:49:23.219 --> 00:49:27.800
it. Yeah, and it would take an awful lot to completely

00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:30.139
destroy it. It felt like they were trying to

00:49:30.139 --> 00:49:35.219
for a minute. Yeah, I've heard a lot of complaints.

00:49:37.139 --> 00:49:39.260
I don't know, man. It's just, and to me also,

00:49:39.380 --> 00:49:43.320
every Harley dealership varies so much where,

00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:46.320
because they're all privately or independently

00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:49.559
owned, you can go to one and it's completely

00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:54.150
useless. you go to another and I mean they don't

00:49:54.150 --> 00:49:57.389
have anything for a shovelhead but like the people

00:49:57.389 --> 00:49:59.369
there know what they're talking about you know

00:49:59.369 --> 00:50:01.949
so if there's no brand consistency of can I trust

00:50:01.949 --> 00:50:05.989
this place that's also very tough right right

00:50:05.989 --> 00:50:08.170
I just luckily live by one that I don't think

00:50:08.170 --> 00:50:12.809
sucks so and they have fluid you know I can go

00:50:12.809 --> 00:50:18.010
buy o -rings and oil but oh man it's a that's

00:50:18.010 --> 00:50:22.510
nice to have that it's an interesting world of

00:50:22.510 --> 00:50:25.329
It's the same thing if everyone wants to go backwards

00:50:25.329 --> 00:50:28.750
like with music where yeah, yeah, you can go

00:50:28.750 --> 00:50:33.329
out there and spend $25 ,000 on a new motorcycle

00:50:33.329 --> 00:50:36.690
or spend $25 ,000 on a bike that was built in

00:50:36.690 --> 00:50:39.650
1954 and a lot of people are gonna pick that

00:50:39.650 --> 00:50:45.650
1954 bike Right, right There's a there's a wave

00:50:45.650 --> 00:50:48.849
of nostalgia going on and for people like you

00:50:49.420 --> 00:50:52.139
you remember what people are getting nostalgic

00:50:52.139 --> 00:50:56.139
about. Right. You know? Because I'm old enough

00:50:56.139 --> 00:50:59.679
to remember, yeah. Like, I don't... I'm just

00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:01.820
old enough to remember before the weird switch

00:51:01.820 --> 00:51:04.039
in the world where everyone had phones and it's

00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:06.659
super digital and all that, you know? I remember

00:51:06.659 --> 00:51:09.539
dial -up internet. But it was still the internet,

00:51:09.940 --> 00:51:15.860
you know? So it's always odd to me to see the

00:51:15.860 --> 00:51:17.719
difference between people who look back on it

00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.409
with, you know... Rose -colored glasses versus

00:51:20.409 --> 00:51:22.389
people like you who were alive there were like

00:51:22.389 --> 00:51:24.210
they were good shit, but like it wasn't always

00:51:24.210 --> 00:51:29.309
great The AMF era not so much, you know or just

00:51:29.309 --> 00:51:32.969
even like people idolize the 70s I was like like

00:51:32.969 --> 00:51:35.269
the gas shortages and the massive unemployment

00:51:35.269 --> 00:51:39.369
Yeah, nostalgia tends to paint a pretty rosy

00:51:39.369 --> 00:51:43.309
picture over the reality of what it really was

00:51:43.309 --> 00:51:44.989
when the truth of the matter is there was good

00:51:44.989 --> 00:51:47.320
and bad Through those areas. It always is, right?

00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:50.659
Yeah. That's the way. I mean, it's just common

00:51:50.659 --> 00:51:53.800
sense. But a lot of times we tend to ignore the

00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:56.480
bad. Yeah, there's a lot of people that I always

00:51:56.480 --> 00:51:59.300
see this, you know, like 18 to 23 year olds being

00:51:59.300 --> 00:52:02.820
like, I wish I was this age in 1969. I'd be like,

00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:05.739
oh, like in Vietnam. Like, you know what I mean?

00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.119
Yeah, you really want that, huh? Like, you wish

00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:10.860
that's what you were doing, man. I don't know.

00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:16.159
Think that shit through, bud. You know, I don't

00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:21.199
know, it's gonna get weirder. There's the old

00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.179
Terrence McKenna quote about how weird it's about

00:52:23.179 --> 00:52:28.539
to get, you know, just based on the digital age.

00:52:29.099 --> 00:52:31.960
And I think people are oftentimes, like with

00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:35.019
my company, we don't use AI on shit. We scan

00:52:35.019 --> 00:52:37.300
a lot of stuff on pictures we print out and it

00:52:37.300 --> 00:52:40.300
stands out, you know, because it looks as like

00:52:40.300 --> 00:52:42.599
kind of the old school way of doing it. It's

00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:44.300
the same thing with a lot of music right now

00:52:44.300 --> 00:52:48.920
where like people are going back Like your record

00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:51.940
is not there's not electronic shit on the record

00:52:51.940 --> 00:52:54.440
like there's plugged in stuff, you know, but

00:52:54.440 --> 00:53:00.139
yes Those are two different things Uh, oh man,

00:53:00.260 --> 00:53:03.699
maybe that'll be helpful I wanted I wanted it

00:53:03.699 --> 00:53:08.280
to sound um Like, you know, I wanted real musicians

00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:12.369
on it and there there are no No samples or anything

00:53:12.369 --> 00:53:17.210
I Didn't exclusively stay away from technology.

00:53:17.250 --> 00:53:20.349
It was recorded to tape Originally, but it was

00:53:20.349 --> 00:53:23.650
edited in Pro tool or digitally, but I mean that's

00:53:23.650 --> 00:53:27.090
even more than a lot of bands do now Yeah, yeah,

00:53:27.090 --> 00:53:28.849
and then it was added, you know, then dumped

00:53:28.849 --> 00:53:31.170
back to tape and mastered off of tape. So there

00:53:31.170 --> 00:53:36.599
was a process But um tape sounds good It does.

00:53:36.860 --> 00:53:40.179
There's really no plug -in or substitution for

00:53:40.179 --> 00:53:44.400
recording to tape still, especially if you have

00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:50.480
a room full of musicians recording live to the

00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:51.800
tape machine at the same time. That's my favorite

00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.900
way to do it. And that's how we cut the record.

00:53:55.059 --> 00:53:58.639
It was bass, drums, my vocal and guitar were

00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:02.019
scratched and then guitar going down. So those

00:54:02.019 --> 00:54:03.880
three elements at least all went down at the

00:54:03.880 --> 00:54:06.889
same time. And if you watch a lot of those people,

00:54:06.889 --> 00:54:12.170
you know, back in 1965, or even just the old

00:54:12.170 --> 00:54:15.110
Beatles and Stones documentaries, they're just

00:54:15.110 --> 00:54:17.849
all in a room playing the shit, you know, until

00:54:17.849 --> 00:54:23.110
the real out there. Yeah, for sure. But I mean,

00:54:23.190 --> 00:54:25.469
the London Philharmonic was really in that room,

00:54:25.469 --> 00:54:27.969
you know, going. I mean, if you can. Yeah, there's

00:54:27.969 --> 00:54:31.570
no once you start isolating everybody and having

00:54:31.570 --> 00:54:35.090
everyone just cut. their part to a previously

00:54:35.090 --> 00:54:38.449
recorded track. It does start to lose some of

00:54:38.449 --> 00:54:46.230
its vibe or charm. Yeah, you're not two people

00:54:46.230 --> 00:54:50.489
trying to match each other's timing and sensibility.

00:54:52.789 --> 00:54:56.710
You're playing to something static before. There's

00:54:56.710 --> 00:55:01.840
no like... There's you're not playing off of

00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:06.699
each other. There's no there's no Randomness

00:55:06.699 --> 00:55:10.480
or chance for there to be something messed up

00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:14.059
thing. Yeah, and I Can listen back through the

00:55:14.059 --> 00:55:16.300
record now and say oh that note could have been

00:55:16.300 --> 00:55:18.380
played a little more on time here That one's

00:55:18.380 --> 00:55:22.199
a little off this and that but I think those

00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:26.659
the little push and pull and tug and things that

00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:30.900
That's what gives the record, those are what

00:55:30.900 --> 00:55:33.139
the human elements are. So as much as we don't

00:55:33.139 --> 00:55:36.719
wanna, we want perfection and precision, but

00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:40.460
it's the mistakes and the coloring between the

00:55:40.460 --> 00:55:45.460
lines that gives it a human feel. My favorite

00:55:45.460 --> 00:55:49.079
part of the song, Roxanne, is when Sting clearly

00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.269
misses a note, just screaming, Roxanne. You know,

00:55:52.269 --> 00:55:55.610
like you're like that's not even you didn't get

00:55:55.610 --> 00:55:58.469
it. You didn't get there at all But it's my favorite

00:55:58.469 --> 00:56:00.650
part of the fucking song, you know, or like I

00:56:00.650 --> 00:56:04.349
don't know if you're a David Lynch guy But a

00:56:04.349 --> 00:56:07.289
lot of his stuff Inland Empire was entirely this

00:56:07.289 --> 00:56:09.130
way where there was no script. They were just

00:56:09.130 --> 00:56:12.349
figuring it out in the room You know, like they

00:56:12.349 --> 00:56:14.789
just want what do I want? There's a clip of him

00:56:14.789 --> 00:56:17.329
being like I want a 16 year old Japanese girl

00:56:17.329 --> 00:56:20.550
with one leg and actually Eurasian I want a Eurasian

00:56:20.550 --> 00:56:22.610
and I want some spider monkeys, you know, you're

00:56:22.610 --> 00:56:29.389
just making the shit up But then at the discovery

00:56:29.389 --> 00:56:33.349
of it, you know That's what brings the art in

00:56:33.349 --> 00:56:36.090
is when you're actually making the thing There's

00:56:36.090 --> 00:56:38.889
discoveries along the way that make it better

00:56:38.889 --> 00:56:42.289
that each person is into the situation right

00:56:43.469 --> 00:56:47.230
I mean, I imagine that's a very fulfilling part

00:56:47.230 --> 00:56:51.409
of actually recording the record. When you do

00:56:51.409 --> 00:56:56.010
it that way, yeah. It's not unlike what I was

00:56:56.010 --> 00:56:57.449
talking about with songwriting, where you're

00:56:57.449 --> 00:57:01.150
waiting for inspiration. Not waiting for inspiration,

00:57:01.190 --> 00:57:04.730
but you're trying to tap into something for the

00:57:04.730 --> 00:57:10.590
inspiration. When you're recording with people

00:57:10.590 --> 00:57:14.429
that are improvising, or trying new things. If

00:57:14.429 --> 00:57:16.329
there's someone in the room, usually the producer,

00:57:17.510 --> 00:57:20.929
who is open to listening for something that clicks

00:57:20.929 --> 00:57:23.210
and they go, oh, that's it. That thing you just

00:57:23.210 --> 00:57:25.110
did right there. Because sometimes the player

00:57:25.110 --> 00:57:28.869
is just trying different stuff. But that inspiration

00:57:28.869 --> 00:57:30.610
happens when you hear that thing. You're like,

00:57:30.630 --> 00:57:32.949
oh, that works really great right there. Let's

00:57:32.949 --> 00:57:36.989
key in and use that. And so we were having to

00:57:36.989 --> 00:57:39.670
find some of those things, little... melodic

00:57:39.670 --> 00:57:42.449
and rhythmic hooks in the songs that obviously

00:57:42.449 --> 00:57:45.230
didn't exist because I just recorded a rhythm

00:57:45.230 --> 00:57:49.530
acoustic guitar and a vocal, you know, and it

00:57:49.530 --> 00:57:52.250
really got fleshed out. I got real lucky. I played

00:57:52.250 --> 00:57:55.849
with some really, really great players on this

00:57:55.849 --> 00:58:00.130
record and they really brought it to life. Hey,

00:58:00.269 --> 00:58:04.650
good studio musicians make shit, you know, like

00:58:04.650 --> 00:58:07.590
the Wrecking Crew. That whole California scene

00:58:07.590 --> 00:58:10.360
wouldn't have been around without those 12 people.

00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:14.880
Or the swampers, which that's on my mind after

00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:18.860
having just been down to Muscle Shoals. That's

00:58:18.860 --> 00:58:21.920
the thing too, that if you're into the Grateful

00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:25.139
Dead, you're willing to forgive three hours of

00:58:25.139 --> 00:58:28.320
them not getting there. You know, cause they're

00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.599
trying, like, I'll listen to Sirius XM, it'll

00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:33.639
be 12 o 'clock, I'll put on a dead show, they'll

00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:35.840
start, I'll be like, this is a bad one. Just

00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:37.559
out of the gate. Like, I can just be like, they

00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.300
didn't get there. But when they do, there's like

00:58:40.300 --> 00:58:43.500
nothing better if you're a fan of it. If you're

00:58:43.500 --> 00:58:47.159
not a fan of it, it's still dogshit. I wouldn't

00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:50.099
say I'm not a, I guess I'm not a fan, only because

00:58:50.099 --> 00:58:52.940
I'm just not as familiar. It's not really...

00:58:53.940 --> 00:58:56.219
something I've I've paid much attention to and

00:58:56.219 --> 00:58:58.519
like we talked about Things that that kind of

00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:00.239
pass you by when you're focusing on something

00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:02.119
else and all this other music's happening that

00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:05.860
maybe you missed But what is it with you kids

00:59:05.860 --> 00:59:10.159
and the jam bands? I want to clarify. I'm not

00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:13.539
I just am I'm not a jam band guy Okay, it's so

00:59:13.539 --> 00:59:16.260
you're more like Grateful Dead specific. I like

00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:19.380
the Grateful Dead. I like widespread panic Okay.

00:59:19.539 --> 00:59:22.659
No fish for you? Dude, okay. I've told this on

00:59:22.659 --> 00:59:25.199
the show before, but it's all right. Me and my

00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:27.260
buddy went to go see a fish show. We're both

00:59:27.260 --> 00:59:30.559
big deadheads. First of all, in the lot outside

00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:32.739
the show, there's not fish music playing. There's

00:59:32.739 --> 00:59:34.360
dead music playing. And I'm like, okay, well,

00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:36.639
this is a rip off of that. You guys want the

00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:38.260
dead, but this is the closest we're getting.

00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:42.260
Yeah. And then we go inside. He's on mushrooms

00:59:42.260 --> 00:59:45.460
pretty hard. I'd quit doing all that stuff by

00:59:45.460 --> 00:59:49.420
that point. But I still you know go to dead and

00:59:49.420 --> 00:59:52.039
company stuff and love it Beginning of the second

00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:54.920
set after seeing all the fucking glow sticks

00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:57.400
being thrown around and trampolines on stage

00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:00.239
and shit He looks at me. He's like, I'm good

01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:05.380
to go whenever I was like, yeah, man Fucking

01:00:05.380 --> 01:00:07.639
took off but like yeah, I've tried I've tried

01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:11.250
other bands other jam bands It doesn't do it

01:00:11.250 --> 01:00:14.190
for me and I think the Dead and widespread do

01:00:14.190 --> 01:00:17.510
because I'm a big fan of American music whether

01:00:17.510 --> 01:00:20.210
It's played by British bands or not like the

01:00:20.210 --> 01:00:21.829
Stones. I think they're one of the best American

01:00:21.829 --> 01:00:26.110
bands of all time I would agree with you They

01:00:26.110 --> 01:00:29.329
totally are, you know They're they're doing it

01:00:29.329 --> 01:00:34.829
better than most the American acts but With those

01:00:34.829 --> 01:00:38.349
two bands specifically, it's very American, you

01:00:38.349 --> 01:00:41.030
know, and if you listen To the dead, you can

01:00:41.030 --> 01:00:43.070
pick out bluegrass, you can pick out country,

01:00:43.269 --> 01:00:45.349
you can pick out psychedelic, rock and roll,

01:00:45.590 --> 01:00:50.389
jazz, like all these different forms, blues riffs

01:00:50.389 --> 01:00:55.050
and shit. It's every form of American music kind

01:00:55.050 --> 01:00:58.389
of thrown together at various points in time.

01:00:59.909 --> 01:01:03.150
And also some of the songs, like Brown Eyed Women,

01:01:03.510 --> 01:01:05.909
are about the end of prohibition and its effect

01:01:05.909 --> 01:01:09.849
on a family. That's a weird rock and roll song

01:01:09.849 --> 01:01:14.570
Yeah, yeah, that's a weird topic. Well admittedly

01:01:14.570 --> 01:01:18.130
I It's something I have not given much attention

01:01:18.130 --> 01:01:22.230
to so maybe that's maybe that's another new music

01:01:22.230 --> 01:01:25.369
conquest I need to to go down the rabbit hole

01:01:25.369 --> 01:01:29.449
and check out cuz go on Spotify or Apple and

01:01:29.449 --> 01:01:34.119
pick any show from Europe 72 Okay, good places.

01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:36.019
That's a good place to start. I think that's

01:01:36.019 --> 01:01:39.280
the best place. It's a peek. They're accessible.

01:01:39.780 --> 01:01:45.619
It's not like feedback for 15 minutes Yeah, but

01:01:45.619 --> 01:01:48.679
I think if you go into that thinking about it

01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:53.340
as like hey, this is kind of a country band You'll

01:01:53.340 --> 01:01:57.480
pull some interesting stuff out as a musician

01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:03.199
playing a genre they play and Who enjoys improvisation

01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:05.400
because you can hear them picking up on each

01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:08.039
other's shit and make yeah up and reference That

01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:13.219
is cool. That's that's cool. I mean I I I love

01:02:13.219 --> 01:02:18.559
50s and 60s jazz so You know, I'd love improvisation

01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:21.679
and then hearing musicians feed off of each other

01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:23.840
and that whole thing, too I mean, I mean one

01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:27.400
of the drummers a straight -up jazz drummer Like

01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:32.039
you know and Phil Lesh the bass player is a like

01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:34.400
classical composer who didn't play bass But he's

01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:35.920
a genius and they were like you probably got

01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:39.079
it Damn now you're making me feel like I really

01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:43.139
missed out on something. So hey, it's still Kind

01:02:43.139 --> 01:02:46.380
of available. There's all right. There's 5 ,000

01:02:46.380 --> 01:02:49.380
shows of that catalog that you can go into. Yeah,

01:02:49.500 --> 01:02:52.360
jeez I don't know if I have 500 of them are good

01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:57.179
So what do you have? The record's coming out

01:02:57.179 --> 01:03:02.639
in July. Are you supporting it with dates? I

01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:06.079
will be. I don't have anything as of yet. I'm

01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:07.880
still working on that. I don't know if I'll be

01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:10.519
out... At this point, it's looking like I might

01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:14.119
not be out right on top of the record, but shortly

01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:18.460
thereafter. I wish I had dates to promote at

01:03:18.460 --> 01:03:22.340
this point, but... As soon as I have some, I'll

01:03:22.340 --> 01:03:24.780
have them announced on all my socials and everything.

01:03:25.059 --> 01:03:29.639
So we'll put, as we always do, the ways to keep

01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:32.119
track of what you're doing in the body of the

01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:35.099
podcast. Right now, I am going to be playing,

01:03:35.099 --> 01:03:38.659
finally, Friday at 3rd and Linsley, which is

01:03:38.659 --> 01:03:43.400
a live broadcast to WMOT radio here. And that's

01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:46.400
on release day. And those are free. So if you

01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:48.519
live in Nashville, You can come out to Third

01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:52.239
and Linsley and see it for free on July 10. I

01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:54.219
think those start at noon. They're afternoon

01:03:54.219 --> 01:04:00.300
shows. It's something to do. Yeah. And so you

01:04:00.300 --> 01:04:01.920
got that record coming out. You're going to be

01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:05.460
supporting it. Anything else that you want people

01:04:05.460 --> 01:04:07.639
to keep track of and know about what you got

01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:15.599
coming up? Yeah, my next single comes out June

01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:20.610
16. It's called, it's the song Don't Say My Name.

01:04:20.789 --> 01:04:23.050
That'll be a single and a music video, so you

01:04:23.050 --> 01:04:26.550
can look out for that. And right now, the entire

01:04:26.550 --> 01:04:29.449
record is, it's obviously, it's up and ready

01:04:29.449 --> 01:04:33.210
for pre -save, and I'm taking pre -orders on

01:04:33.210 --> 01:04:36.650
the vinyl, too. So, if you like the first two

01:04:36.650 --> 01:04:40.510
songs that are available to hear now. I have

01:04:40.510 --> 01:04:43.130
the drop box of it, so I've heard the whole thing.

01:04:46.170 --> 01:04:48.510
People should look out for it when it comes out.

01:04:49.070 --> 01:04:51.510
That's it's it's good. It's a good. It's good

01:04:51.510 --> 01:04:55.730
country record I Mean, thanks for doing this

01:04:55.730 --> 01:04:58.050
man. I appreciate it. Yeah, it's been great talking

01:04:58.050 --> 01:04:59.449
with you. Thanks for having me. Yeah